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[00:20:03] <renesis> monkeyisl: hi
[00:20:08] <renesis> r u trollin or what?
[00:20:32] <renesis> why did you come to #linuxcnc and ask if mach3 is your only option
[00:21:14] <renesis> this is like walking into the kia dealership and going GUYS I WANT TO BUY A HONDA BTW DO YOU SELL CARS HERE!?
[00:29:38] <pink_vampire> monkeyisl: I've used mach3 for long time, and I can tell you one thing' it's good as a start point to make your machine move. BUT it's full of bugs and problems that will end in broken cutting tools and prats. Now I'm moving to linux cnc, and it's way complicated then mach3, and you don't have a lot of support like mach3, also linux cnc is linux based, so you have to learn new operating system to
[00:29:46] <pink_vampire> work with it.
[00:30:53] <nitero> pink_vampire, i want to... rotate wings with propellers on their tips, independent of a fuselage
[00:31:21] <CaptHindsight> renesis: we had some rather crazy trolls lately
[00:33:13] <pink_vampire> nitero: for inspection or for machining? any dimensions between the centers?
[00:35:10] <nitero> t 50 lbs integrated over about 3 feet from the rotating center.
[00:35:44] <nitero> or actually probably much less
[00:45:01] <renesis> capthindsight: o know monkeyisl from other channels, hes not really a troll but his english is not so great
[00:45:08] <renesis> *i know
[00:47:06] <renesis> pink_vampire: lots of people already know how to linux so learning new OS isnt always a thing
[00:47:39] <renesis> also complexity is relative to your machine and setup goals
[00:48:34] <renesis> i have an open loop stepper mill, i home manually, and setting up linuxcnc takes a few minutes, just edit a few lines of config
[00:48:55] <pink_vampire> renesis: I'm trying to set "move"/"don't move" output
[00:49:13] <renesis> and thats only because i use my a 4th channel for my Y since the 2nd channel of the xylotex blew
[00:49:22] <pink_vampire> is there a way to set something like that in linux cnc?
[00:49:50] <renesis> before that, pretty sure i could click stepper inch config and be done with it, admittedly without soft limits
[00:50:09] <pink_vampire> if any of the axis move (jog or code) send 1 logic to some output.
[00:50:15] <renesis> pink_vampire: probably, but ive never had to use it for that so dont know how
[00:50:49] <renesis> pink_vampire: how does it reset?
[00:51:02] <renesis> or the signal has a hold up time, or what
[00:51:12] <pink_vampire> no.
[00:51:57] <pink_vampire> if linux cnc send pulses to the drivers, it also need to send 1 logic to pin 9 in the lpt.
[00:52:06] <renesis> oh i guess you mean keep it 1 while the thing is moving
[00:52:15] <pink_vampire> if it stop to send pulses pin 9 go to 0
[00:53:59] <pink_vampire> the stack light controller have an input for "move"
[00:55:03] <pink_vampire> red = the machine fully stopped and the drivers are off,
[00:55:51] <pink_vampire> solid green = the machine is stopped but the drivers are energized
[00:56:27] <pink_vampire> blinking green = one or more of the axis of the machine is in motion.
[00:56:37] <pink_vampire> yellow = error
[00:56:44] <pink_vampire> renesis: ^
[00:57:41] <pink_vampire> in mach3 I've did a brain script for that.
[00:58:17] <pink_vampire> any equivalent in linux cnc??
[00:58:23] <pink_vampire> renesis: ^
[01:01:56] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: hi
[01:04:48] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: do you know if there is a way to make script that run at the background all the time and check if the machine is move or not?
[01:06:36] <pink_vampire> zeeshan|2: ?
[01:38:19] <archivist> pink_vampire, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html pick a pin/pins and use it for your indication
[01:43:05] <pink_vampire> archivist: I'm not sure how to use it?
[01:43:23] <pink_vampire> I need to set it in the stepconf wizard?
[01:43:49] <archivist> you are at the stage where you have to forget stepconf completely
[01:44:26] <archivist> it is a crutch for beginners only, it cannot do what you want
[01:44:58] <pink_vampire> sooo.. what I need to do?
[01:45:57] <archivist> time to learn how hal works, just edit the .hal file and add the connection you want possibly with a comparator comp to test a level to an on off
[01:46:43] <pink_vampire> hal??
[01:46:53] <archivist> eg a distance to travel means it is about or actually moving >0
[01:46:55] <pink_vampire> I have pnconf
[01:47:04] <archivist> forget that tool as well
[01:47:27] <pink_vampire> I have few other stuff under linux cnc.
[01:47:47] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/intro.html
[01:47:47] <pink_vampire> one sec I will make a screen shot for you.
[01:48:03] <archivist> I dont need a screen shot
[01:48:46] <pink_vampire> ok
[01:49:02] <pink_vampire> I don't have hal in my linux cnc
[01:49:14] <pink_vampire> how do I get it / install it?
[01:49:41] <pink_vampire> I need a licence for it?
[01:50:05] <pink_vampire> license *
[01:50:14] <archivist> it is there, it is a text file
[01:50:25] <pink_vampire> a text file?
[01:50:30] <archivist> stepconf made it
[01:50:49] <archivist> now you have to throw away the training wheels
[01:50:58] <pink_vampire> pink_vampire: sooo confused
[01:51:08] <archivist> read http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/intro.html
[01:51:44] <pink_vampire> yes, I saw that, but where is the setting screen?
[01:52:29] <pink_vampire> where I change the settings?
[01:53:18] <archivist> you use an editor
[01:53:27] <archivist> it is a text file
[01:54:07] <archivist> stepconf is not an editor, it is a simple creator of a base hal file
[01:54:12] <pink_vampire> I found that!!
[01:55:30] <pink_vampire> you need to go to the linux cnc program, then you click on "machine" then on "show HAL configuration"
[01:55:50] <pink_vampire> and you get a screen full of settings.
[01:55:55] <archivist> no that shows what was loaded, it is not an editor
[01:57:04] <pink_vampire> so how I get the edit mode?
[01:57:36] <pink_vampire> it's not a full version of linux cnc?
[01:58:28] <archivist> stop linuxcnc, open an editor, load the .hal file you want to edit
[01:59:35] <archivist> you should have one in applications/accessories/text editor
[02:00:46] <pink_vampire> ok'
[02:00:50] <pink_vampire> let me see
[02:02:46] <pink_vampire> libre office writer?
[02:03:02] <pink_vampire> it's look like word
[02:03:40] <archivist> do NOT use that
[02:03:54] <archivist> use a plain text editor only
[02:04:42] <pink_vampire> ok... (I have no idea what i'm doing)
[02:04:52] <archivist> you should have one in applications/accessories/text editor
[02:04:58] <pink_vampire> pink_vampire: want to cry.
[02:05:27] <archivist> I dont have what you have so dont know exactly what text editor is called
[02:05:34] <enleth> pink_vampire: you seriously need to stop thinking it's windows, there's no "licenses" for features, "full versions" or "not full versions" and any other madness like that
[02:06:18] <pink_vampire> ok
[02:06:50] <archivist> you then look for your machine directory here is one of mine http://www.archivist.info/cnc/configs/starturn/
[02:07:23] <archivist> starturn.hal is the important file in this case
[02:08:41] <Deejay> moin
[02:08:49] <archivist> I suggest you make a copy of your machine directory
[02:08:53] <pink_vampire> this is what I have under accessories
[02:08:59] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/jFuAmrc.png
[02:09:29] <archivist> look in development
[02:09:47] <pink_vampire> ok
[02:10:28] <pink_vampire> no
[02:10:35] <pink_vampire> there is no text editor
[02:12:06] <pink_vampire> archivist: according to that https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/28367-color-coded-text-editor
[02:12:12] <archivist> I cannot believe that
[02:12:36] <pink_vampire> mousepad is the name for the text editor.
[02:13:03] <archivist> gedit is the one I use
[02:13:14] <pink_vampire> this is a mouse pad http://img.diytrade.com/smimg/527018/3546020-4798722-0/Promotional_mouse_pads_GW_GELMP_003/9373.jpg
[02:13:53] <pink_vampire> how someone can name the text editor "mouse pad"???
[02:14:26] <archivist> an idiot
[02:14:47] <pink_vampire> this is very weird way to freaked out people
[02:14:56] <archivist> it might be suitable for those trashy tablets I suppose
[02:15:15] <pink_vampire> anyway it's a bug.
[02:17:42] <pink_vampire> ok.. in "mouse pad" I'm in "my user name/ linuxcnc/config/my-mill
[02:17:52] <pink_vampire> I have several files
[02:20:22] <archivist> now before doing anything more, open a file manager app to make a backup under a new name
[02:20:32] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/OqZnQrh.png
[02:21:16] <pink_vampire> i'm at the correct location?
[02:21:24] <archivist> yes
[02:22:21] <archivist> I want you to go up one level and copy my-mill-to pinkmill
[02:23:45] <pink_vampire> I did a backup to the whole linuxcnc folder.
[02:27:33] <pink_vampire> what is ssh?
[02:28:00] <archivist> then you can open my-mill.hal and read that while referring to http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/intro.html
[02:29:02] <pink_vampire> ssh is rdp?
[02:31:05] <pink_vampire> ip kvm?
[02:31:29] <pink_vampire> i need to make ip kvm?
[02:34:40] <archivist> just need to edit a text file, dunno what you are mumbling about
[02:38:32] <pink_vampire> to connect to the cnc computer from this computer
[02:39:13] <pink_vampire> ok
[02:39:17] <pink_vampire> I did the ssh
[02:39:39] <pink_vampire> with putty (something like that)
[02:39:47] <pink_vampire> now i have black window
[02:40:32] <pink_vampire> now i need to see what is vi?
[02:41:06] <archivist> it would be better to not do that until you know what you are doing, work on the machine computer only
[02:41:22] <pink_vampire> there is also nano
[02:41:36] <pink_vampire> what is all that names. :!!!?!!?
[02:42:16] <pink_vampire> ok.
[02:42:22] <pink_vampire> that was easy.
[02:42:47] <pink_vampire> nano my-mill.hal open the file
[02:43:06] <pink_vampire> ok I see the file
[02:43:16] <pink_vampire> I need to edit something?
[02:43:46] <pink_vampire> archivist: !?
[02:43:48] <archivist> you need to understand it a bit
[02:44:33] <archivist> read it in conjunction with http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/intro.html
[02:45:05] <archivist> decide what is a spare output
[02:45:58] <archivist> decide on the signal that is suitable, convert that signal possibly from a float to on of
[02:46:47] <pink_vampire> I find better way
[02:46:55] <archivist> you can use many comps to achieve what you want, just wiring them together
[02:47:14] <archivist> there is no better way than understanding
[02:48:00] <pink_vampire> I've used winscp to get the file over ssh, then I point it out to notepad ++
[02:49:28] <pink_vampire> archivist: I have 80 lines in the file
[02:49:30] <archivist> do NOT USE WINDOWS
[02:50:02] <pink_vampire> it's fine.
[02:50:08] <archivist> it will cause a syntax error, it screws line endings
[02:51:11] <pink_vampire> this is true is you are using the regular notepad, I'm using notepad ++.
[02:51:24] <pink_vampire> is = if
[02:51:44] <pink_vampire> archivist: ^
[02:53:36] <pink_vampire> archivist: http://pastebin.com/3qSVUdVf
[02:54:06] <archivist> I want you to learn
[02:55:17] <pink_vampire> I know, it's more for you, so you can see the same file that i see,
[03:06:03] <archivist> given that motion knows when it is moving and how far it is about to move and what type of movement and if enabled
[04:21:33] <pink_vampire> archivist: i did some tests, but nothing work.
[04:21:53] <pink_vampire> i don't have any idea what i'm doing
[04:22:18] <pink_vampire> i just change some numbers, and add lines
[04:23:19] <pink_vampire> some times the machine did not work, and some times one of the axis did not work.
[04:23:48] <renesis> you are brave
[04:26:20] <archivist> there are a few signals that might do what you want eg what state is motion.motion-enabled OUT BIT
[04:27:08] <archivist> motion.motion-type seems to have a state missing which is obviously stationary
[04:28:38] <archivist> motion.distance-to-go OUT FLOAT will be 0 if stationary, be careful at close to 0 and negative see abs()
[04:28:50] <renesis> i guess i was confused because say you tell it to feed really slow, so it doesnt step every realtime cycle, like if its supposed to stay true or not
[04:29:37] <archivist> use a comp to stretch a pulsed output
[04:30:01] <renesis> i guess like, does pink_vampire mean true while executing a motion command, or true if a step command happened that cycle
[04:30:52] <archivist> see also motion.current-vel OUT FLOAT that wont be 0 if moving, compare with 0 with a comparator, connect result to output pin
[04:32:02] <pink_vampire> are you sure that this is the way to change settings??
[04:32:37] <archivist> this is a connection and function not provided by stepconf, so yes I am sure
[04:32:54] <pink_vampire> I'm the end user, not the programmer.
[04:33:03] <renesis> welcome to linux
[04:33:07] <archivist> machine integrator
[04:33:10] <pink_vampire> where is the interface?
[04:33:22] <archivist> machine integrator is not end user
[04:33:44] <archivist> the editor is your interface to the connections
[04:33:57] <pink_vampire> but is all gibrish to me.
[04:34:23] <archivist> this is why I pointed you at the hal intro page
[04:34:45] <pink_vampire> I saw it,
[04:34:52] <archivist> it is very powerful to build any machine type you want
[04:35:10] <renesis> i bet if i read that the kinematics page will make a little more sense
[04:35:17] <archivist> stepconf is only for noob 3/4 axis
[04:35:24] <pink_vampire> and I don't even get the concept that you need to edit text file for change settings.
[04:35:47] <archivist> the test file IS the configuration file
[04:36:53] <pink_vampire> there is a way to get phone call support from the linuxcnc corporation?
[04:37:41] <renesis> is there a corporation?
[04:38:16] <archivist> there is no corporation
[04:38:18] <pink_vampire> someone organize it.. no?
[04:38:25] <renesis> cradek!
[04:38:26] <pink_vampire> who hold the domain?
[04:38:30] <archivist> the users
[04:41:12] <pink_vampire> who is the CEO?
[04:41:37] <renesis> nope
[04:41:53] <archivist> there is no ceo, there is no corporation
[04:41:57] <pink_vampire> who provide the guide lines?
[04:42:04] <archivist> this is real opensource
[04:42:18] <pink_vampire> this concept it's beyond me.
[04:42:36] <archivist> you can modify the code
[04:42:41] <renesis> ttps://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/graphs/contributors
[04:43:01] <renesis> omg no h how
[04:43:09] <renesis> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/graphs/contributors
[04:43:09] <pink_vampire> archivist: I'm not a programmer.
[04:43:20] <renesis> you dont need to be because those people are
[04:43:40] <renesis> and you dont need to pay for support because archivist is helping you
[04:43:43] <archivist> we all have to learn as much as we want to
[04:44:07] <archivist> which is why I am poor
[04:44:20] <pink_vampire> archivist: how much.
[04:44:39] <renesis> well you should prob start with the hal doc page
[04:45:06] <archivist> I gave the hal intro page and a number of hints
[04:45:19] <pink_vampire> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/intro.html
[04:45:25] <pink_vampire> that one^
[04:45:28] <pink_vampire> I know
[04:45:42] <pink_vampire> I read it several times.
[04:46:16] <renesis> do understand all the things? you might have to read other things to understand all the things
[04:46:17] <archivist> http://myd-dreams.com/2016/01/12/teach-them-to-fish/
[04:46:50] <renesis> neat i didnt know that was lao tzu
[04:47:58] <pink_vampire> archivist: take a woman to a restaurant and you save here to wash the dishes
[04:48:16] <archivist> I use paper plate
[04:48:16] <renesis> or you could just wash the dishes for her
[04:48:19] <renesis> and cook
[04:48:25] <pink_vampire> archivist: I'm never wash the dishes anyway..
[04:49:18] <pink_vampire> so..
[04:49:33] <pink_vampire> who can give my real support?
[04:50:41] <renesis> i dont think anyone gets paid to do that
[04:51:18] <pink_vampire> do you want to be the first one?
[04:51:33] <renesis> youre going to pay me?
[04:51:48] <renesis> youre not good at money are you
[04:52:17] <archivist> some do do integration for a bit of cash
[04:52:22] <renesis> take a few minutes, read the scroll, and if you still want to i will gladly take your money
[04:52:37] <renesis> but not until this weekend
[04:53:12] <pink_vampire> I can make you a specification of what I want. so you can give me a price and see how resneble it will be.
[04:53:56] <renesis> yup thats usually how it goes down
[04:53:58] <archivist> you could spend less time reading the docs and what I said to just do it
[04:54:08] <pink_vampire> renesis: are from the us?
[04:54:44] <renesis> why would that matter?
[04:55:19] <renesis> and its debatable, im californian
[04:55:40] <pink_vampire> to know if we are on close time zone?
[04:58:34] <renesis> you would be paying me to learn something i have zero experience with, my setup is pretty vanilla, almost default
[04:58:39] <XXCoder> boo
[04:58:55] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[04:59:03] <renesis> xxcoder: be more specific!
[04:59:09] <XXCoder> ok
[04:59:12] <XXCoder> boo renesis
[04:59:18] <renesis> mean!
[05:00:05] <XXCoder> heh
[05:00:06] <pink_vampire> renesis: If you have the capabilities to do it, it's fine with me.
[05:01:02] <renesis> oh im sure im capable, but im telling you that the lead time is going to suck and its going to be more expensive than if you find someone who has done this
[05:02:06] <pink_vampire> price..
[05:02:19] <renesis> $1000
[05:02:29] <archivist> I have never done that exact thing, looking at the docs it seems just a few lines
[05:03:06] <renesis> yeah the logic seems pretty straight forward using the motion velocity
[05:03:17] <pink_vampire> renesis: and after joking..
[05:03:20] <renesis> so it would mostly be learning hal syntax
[05:03:28] <archivist> it does not take a lot to experiment, read any error messages/ask about them, to get where you want
[05:03:41] <renesis> pink_vampire: not going to even really look at it until this weekend
[05:03:52] <renesis> so im not gonna give you any sort of price
[05:04:10] <pink_vampire> it's not a production machine.. so it's fine
[05:04:35] <renesis> what do i care, i make a parport bit flip on motion, i win
[05:04:51] <renesis> i dont care what your machine does on its own time
[05:05:30] <_methods> some customers will make you sorry you ever took a job
[05:05:41] <pink_vampire> ok
[05:05:50] <renesis> it would be an hourly rate with no deadlines
[05:06:48] <archivist> _methods, I seem to only get that type
[05:06:48] <CaptHindsight> if I left out a box full of hammers would you beat yourselves in the heads with them?
[05:07:07] <renesis> you could just learn hal syntax and take yourself out to dinner bunch of times instead of paying someone
[05:07:09] <pink_vampire> i can't work without a time frame
[05:07:45] <renesis> well then i guess negotiations are over
[05:07:51] <archivist> I think it should take you less than a day to work out and do it yourself
[05:08:01] <XXCoder> HAL stuff? even I did it
[05:08:20] <XXCoder> hardest thing was figuring if motors was going too fast at max or not.
[05:08:22] <pink_vampire> archivist: 50$
[05:08:27] <renesis> right im guessing 2-4 hours
[05:08:45] <renesis> to read up, edit a file, and test
[05:08:45] <_methods> archivist: yeah we get our share of them but not many as stoopid as this possible customer
[05:09:02] <renesis> unf
[05:09:08] <_methods> you'd have to be a real masochist to take a job from her/it
[05:09:31] <renesis> certainly not for $50
[05:10:47] <pink_vampire> if it's soo simple as all of you say. 50$ is a fortune for that.
[05:10:57] <_methods> this conversation is so hilarious i'm almost wanting to check zlog so i can see what sort of insanity is being spewed
[05:11:07] <malcom2073> $50 isn't worth this conversation heh
[05:11:17] <malcom2073> _methods: I'm busy reading through the backlog now :-D
[05:11:37] <_methods> yeah i don't feel like punishing myself
[05:11:47] <renesis> _methods: did you see the part where pink_vampire asked who the CEO was?
[05:11:48] <_methods> i put her and polymorphicdouchebag on ignore for a reason
[05:12:09] <_methods> i don't want an early am aneurism
[05:12:14] <malcom2073> _methods: So you could let them you know you put them on ignore? ;)
[05:12:24] <_methods> yes
[05:12:29] <pink_vampire> so what is the whole point here now?
[05:13:03] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you actually built machines
[05:13:11] <_methods> unfortunately i still see the fallout of their stupidity when i witness stuff like this lol
[05:13:11] <XXCoder> youre very far beyond me
[05:13:17] <renesis> you need to learn how to take the motion.velocity thing and compare it to zero and put the result on a pin
[05:13:17] <XXCoder> you can do hal
[05:13:25] <renesis> that is the point
[05:14:40] <CaptHindsight> _methods: you can't help some people, they are drawn to abuse like moths to a flame...
[05:15:06] <CaptHindsight> they have to decide to want to get off the crazy train themselves
[05:15:07] <_methods> indeed
[05:15:57] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I don't build machines just deal with a milling machine as a hobby. but it's not the main thing in my life. I like to work with solidworks. design sum stuff, and make them. to deal with all the aspect of the machine it's not that fun for me.
[05:16:12] <CaptHindsight> now i have to get back to belt sanding my nipples :)
[05:16:22] <_methods> yeah i've got oatmeal to eat
[05:16:30] <_methods> with blueberries
[05:16:34] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: I suggest brillo
[05:17:16] <pink_vampire> also WHY the text editor in linuxcnc named "mouse pad?
[05:17:26] <XXCoder> dunno I usually use gedit
[05:18:20] <pink_vampire> what is sooo wrong in "text editor" "noteped"
[05:18:39] <pink_vampire> what is gedit???
[05:18:44] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: gedit is the notepad of linux
[05:18:46] <XXCoder> linux text editor
[05:18:48] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:18:50] <renesis> theyre part of ubuntu linux
[05:18:54] <renesis> not linuxcnc
[05:18:55] <malcom2073> But not stuck in 1995
[05:19:00] <_methods> wtf
[05:19:04] <XXCoder> what I hate, however, is wine's "notepad"
[05:19:05] <_methods> are you talking shit about vim
[05:19:11] <XXCoder> it makes itself default of damn everything
[05:19:13] <_methods> vi/vim
[05:19:16] <XXCoder> including bin files
[05:19:17] <renesis> vim is awesome
[05:19:20] <_methods> amen
[05:19:28] <XXCoder> vim meh, more of emacs man here
[05:19:33] <pink_vampire> the name is not very convenient..
[05:19:40] <pink_vampire> vi and nano
[05:19:42] <XXCoder> good thing I decided to wear flameproof suit
[05:19:47] <pink_vampire> also stupid names.
[05:19:53] <renesis> eh?
[05:19:54] <_methods> i had no idea anyone actually used emacs
[05:20:07] <XXCoder> havent used emacs for a while though. it was VERY useful
[05:20:15] <renesis> i thought emacs was like, a scipting demo
[05:20:27] <XXCoder> lol you can run anything in emacs
[05:20:31] <XXCoder> including emacs
[05:20:37] <_methods> emacs is like if some apple fag tried to make a copy of vi/vim
[05:20:45] <renesis> right i just want to edit text files
[05:20:50] <_methods> so basically its a steaming pile
[05:21:01] <XXCoder> one of my old favorite tricks is open 2 windows to same text file. so I can look at 2 places at once while editing source code
[05:21:09] <XXCoder> used to code so much in emacs
[05:21:16] <pink_vampire> but the whole point is to make stuff simple not super complicated.
[05:21:38] <renesis> im taking this ooc++ class right now, instructor makes students ssh into a server and use vim
[05:21:42] <renesis> its fucking awesome
[05:21:47] <XXCoder> nice!
[05:21:51] <XXCoder> love teachers like that
[05:22:12] <pink_vampire> :q
[05:22:16] <pink_vampire> :w
[05:22:25] <pink_vampire> esc esc esc
[05:22:26] <pink_vampire> i
[05:22:39] <renesis> i would do that in word documents writing reports for school
[05:23:03] <XXCoder> one of fun stuff I did was making turtle compiler
[05:23:24] <renesis> whats turtle
[05:23:33] <XXCoder> oh its very old script lanuage
[05:23:36] <_methods> i think they're amphibians
[05:23:36] <pink_vampire> logo
[05:23:43] <XXCoder> it has few commands
[05:23:59] <XXCoder> pen up, down, move, if then, loop, so on
[05:24:07] <renesis> oh, neat
[05:24:08] <pink_vampire> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_%28programming_language%29
[05:24:15] <_methods> oh nm they're reptiles
[05:24:24] <renesis> i think it depends
[05:24:35] <renesis> i thought turtles were amphibians and tortoise was reptile
[05:24:42] <pink_vampire> https://turtleacademy.com/
[05:24:50] <_methods> bah i have no idea
[05:24:54] <_methods> turtles confuse me
[05:24:54] <pink_vampire> http://www.calormen.com/jslogo/
[05:25:43] <pink_vampire> pink_vampire: don't know why she know that.
[05:25:49] <renesis> we did that kinda
[05:26:25] <renesis> https://blockly-games.appspot.com/turtle
[05:28:03] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you can help me with the hal settings?
[05:28:23] <XXCoder> not with more advanced stuff like pin setups
[05:28:48] <renesis> pink_vampire: so heres how this should work
[05:28:57] <pink_vampire> ok
[05:29:28] <renesis> you need to do it, so you learn how by reading the docs
[05:29:45] <renesis> then when next person needs help to do it, you help them
[05:30:24] <XXCoder> renesis: https://ezekiel.encs.vancouver.wsu.edu/~cs442/archive/archive/archive/archive/archive/grades/texture_screenshots/myyuk.png
[05:30:27] <pink_vampire> I need that pin 9 on the lpt with get 1 logic, if any of the axis move.
[05:30:33] <XXCoder> its still up after years lol
[05:30:51] <XXCoder> its now 7 years old
[05:30:51] <pink_vampire> if thay stop pin 9 go to 0 logic
[05:31:47] <pink_vampire> no one help me :(
[05:31:54] <renesis> liar
[05:32:02] <renesis> archivist helped you a lot
[05:32:28] <renesis> i seent it
[05:32:48] <pink_vampire> I need more help
[05:33:11] <XXCoder> you need to read more
[05:33:16] <XXCoder> thats how I figured stuff out
[05:33:33] <renesis> yeah thats pretty much how everyone figured stuff out
[05:33:53] <renesis> this channel is more useful for bitching until features happen
[05:34:06] <pink_vampire> if one of you was asking me something in solidworks, I was help you and even send you files with examples.
[05:34:07] <renesis> that unhoming shit? thats all me yo
[05:34:37] <pink_vampire> to send me to "read" it's not help.
[05:34:50] <renesis> didnt exist, i complain a lot when it screwed me because homing button right next to zero button, unhoming appears
[05:34:54] <renesis> magic.
[05:35:37] <renesis> its like, im the software project manager, i pay zero and get stuff, ROI is infiniti
[05:36:42] <pink_vampire> someone can help my by guide me step by step what to do?
[05:37:05] <archivist> I thoght I gave you that already
[05:37:56] <pink_vampire> archivist: yes, you show me the file that I need to edit..
[05:38:12] <renesis> and told you more than one way to accomplish what you want
[05:38:22] <archivist> I gave yo the concept, and a pin with the information
[05:38:36] <pink_vampire> I mean
[05:38:42] <pink_vampire> what line to edit
[05:38:55] <pink_vampire> what to put there?
[05:39:25] <archivist> each file has its own positions and name unique to a project
[05:39:40] <pink_vampire> 04:55:34] <pink_vampire> archivist: i did some tests, but nothing work. [04:55:54] <pink_vampire> i don't have any idea what i'm doing [04:56:18] <pink_vampire> i just change some numbers, and add lines [04:57:20] <pink_vampire> some times the machine did not work, and some times one of the axis did not work.
[05:40:02] <archivist> nothing work is absolutely useless
[05:40:15] <pink_vampire> the machine it's not a game, it can kill you.
[05:40:31] <renesis> you dont say
[05:40:51] <archivist> I have enough machines to know how dangerous they are
[05:41:01] <pink_vampire> I did some tests and it's not works, and it even damage the way the machine move.
[05:41:15] <archivist> so learn from your errors
[05:41:27] <pink_vampire> so. I'm not gambling here. I need clear stuff.
[05:41:57] <renesis> for free! on a timeline!
[05:42:28] <pink_vampire> if the X axis fly in to your face, - game over.
[05:42:46] <renesis> pink_vampire: youre in a channel full of machinists, i think everyone knows
[05:43:03] <renesis> which is why this is scary as fuck about youL
[05:43:08] <pink_vampire> if the Z axis go in to your table and damge it. - game over.
[05:43:14] <renesis> [04:55:54] <pink_vampire> i don't have any idea what i'm doing [04:56:18] <pink_vampire> i just change some numbers, and add lines
[05:43:29] <renesis> why the fuck would you edit the file if you dont understand yet?
[05:43:42] <_methods> http://www.dailydot.com/technology/japanese-licking-machine/
[05:44:05] <XXCoder> heh yeah I may have small hobby machine at home, but I do run large ones at work
[05:44:19] <renesis> _methods: did he use linuxcnc?
[05:44:29] <pink_vampire> i did it. yes it is stupid. yes it didn't work..
[05:44:31] <XXCoder> hell today I did major reprogramming of one part gcode to convert it from sucky okuma machine to old fadal
[05:44:32] <_methods> hahah no idea
[05:44:40] <_methods> but that shit is hilarious
[05:44:41] <XXCoder> because machines are unique :P
[05:45:00] <_methods> sucky okuma?
[05:45:05] <renesis> stupid random m codes
[05:45:10] <_methods> never heard that descriptor applied to an okuma
[05:45:34] <XXCoder> _methods: its decent actually, just strange gcode stuff!
[05:45:45] <XXCoder> and it errors out if its at T1 and I try t1m6
[05:45:52] <XXCoder> because fuck operator thats why
[05:45:55] <_methods> yeah that's common
[05:46:03] <_methods> just use m6
[05:46:08] <_methods> no t call needed
[05:46:18] <pink_vampire> on full power the motor send the axis in 15M/min in 0.6 sec!
[05:46:24] <_methods> the machine creators assumed you would know how to run it
[05:46:32] <XXCoder> _methods: I destroyed chuck on that dang machine
[05:46:38] <XXCoder> because it didnt change tool
[05:46:44] <XXCoder> my fault of course but jeez
[05:48:57] <pink_vampire> any of you can guide me step by step what exactly to do and edit?
[05:49:14] <XXCoder> pink some stuff simply cannot be explained step by step
[05:49:19] <XXCoder> quite literally.
[05:50:03] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://pastebin.com/3qSVUdVf
[05:50:08] <pink_vampire> this is the hal file.
[05:50:30] <pink_vampire> what need to be edit?
[05:51:04] <archivist> you need to add connection to a free output pin, no changing numbers
[05:51:22] <pink_vampire> archivist: what dose it mean?
[05:52:27] <XXCoder> your controller board probably has pins that is not currently used
[05:52:34] <pink_vampire> pin 9
[05:52:36] <XXCoder> you can use one of those for your stack lights
[05:52:56] <pink_vampire> this is the pin that I need to get the output
[05:54:07] <pink_vampire> I have a controller for the stack light.
[05:55:28] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[05:55:35] <XXCoder> I dont know enough to set code or whatever to trigger pin based on conditions
[05:56:24] <pink_vampire> the controller get signals from alot of stuff and change the lights on the stack light
[05:56:37] <XXCoder> cool
[05:57:07] <pink_vampire> I need to feed the stacklight controller with a signal that show if the machine "move"
[05:57:49] <pink_vampire> move = drivers get pulses
[05:57:53] <XXCoder> yeah you need to do some research
[05:58:08] <XXCoder> maybe there is variable "machine is moving" and assign that to a pin
[05:58:09] <XXCoder> dunno
[05:59:52] <pink_vampire> that is what I'm trying to figure out for few hours... and then archivist told me that I need to set it in the hal file. but what to set - he is not really tell me.
[06:00:31] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[06:00:52] <XXCoder> yeah some stuff cannot be specified you gonna figure it out
[06:01:06] <archivist> I told you about motion.current-vel OUT FLOAT that wont be 0 if moving, compare with 0 with a comparator, connect result to output pin
[06:01:34] <archivist> if you fail to read no one can help you
[06:04:27] <pink_vampire> archivist: I'm not playing russian roulette with 1HP servos.
[06:05:48] <archivist> switch them off while trying it
[06:06:23] <XXCoder> heh my first cnc test with electic system motors wasnt connected to anything
[06:06:26] <pink_vampire> but eventually you need to turn them on...
[06:06:35] <XXCoder> added electic tape "flags" to see movements
[06:07:20] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: to you know how 1HP DC servo look like when is
[06:07:59] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: to you know how 1HP DC servo look like when is'n not connected to any thing and go to full power and you press on the E-stop?
[06:08:02] <archivist> stop wining about your servos, not relevant
[06:08:14] <XXCoder> yeah I wasnt recommanding you to disconnect servos
[06:08:25] <archivist> this is a trivial watch a pin change problem
[06:08:39] <pink_vampire> it's fly like a bowling ball.
[06:09:30] <pink_vampire> ok
[06:09:40] <pink_vampire> let me dig in to the panel
[06:09:48] <archivist> you have them wired step dir, so that is not going to happen anyway
[06:12:07] <pink_vampire> archivist: loooong time ago that I was start with mach3 I set the max speed by mistake on the motor settings, the back of the vise hit the Z axis, and the vise shaft pop out.
[06:13:06] <pink_vampire> brb. going to see how to disable them.
[06:14:39] <pink_vampire> ok
[06:15:19] <pink_vampire> the main contactor is disconnected, and the E-stop for linux cnc is bypassed
[06:18:15] <pink_vampire> ??
[06:18:29] <pink_vampire> archivist: XXCoder?
[06:18:34] <XXCoder> yeah?
[06:18:51] <pink_vampire> any idea?
[06:19:10] <XXCoder> too tired to really think now
[06:19:33] <archivist> stop asking open ended questions
[06:19:35] <XXCoder> been very busy mentally at work, programming and 3 setup and fixing
[06:19:44] <pink_vampire> what do do with the "motion.current-vel OUT FLOAT"
[06:19:53] <XXCoder> and if it is a question and not a statement, end it with ?
[06:20:02] <pink_vampire> what do do with the "motion.current-vel OUT FLOAT"?
[06:20:08] <pink_vampire> to*
[06:21:05] <archivist> make sure it cannot be negative (abs) compare it to zero, connect result to output
[06:21:52] <pink_vampire> how I can be sure?
[06:22:06] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/components.html
[06:23:52] <pink_vampire> "motion.current-vel" don't even show in the page.
[06:24:24] <pink_vampire> even just "current-vel"
[06:24:43] <pink_vampire> archivist: how do you want me to learn??
[06:24:49] <XXCoder> reading
[06:24:53] <pink_vampire> it's not even on the page.
[06:24:54] <pink_vampire> it's not even on the page.
[06:24:54] <pink_vampire> it's not even on the page.
[06:24:55] <pink_vampire> it's not even on the page.
[06:25:10] <XXCoder> google power
[06:25:18] <XXCoder> or bing power
[06:25:22] <XXCoder> (bingo power? heh)
[06:25:31] <pink_vampire> what?
[06:25:45] <archivist> the pins for indivdual components are in their own man pages
[06:26:05] <pink_vampire> pin9? on the lpt?
[06:26:06] <XXCoder> yeah exactly my point, can google that name and find nore info
[06:26:21] <XXCoder> motion.current-vel
[06:26:50] <pink_vampire> so what is the point by that IRC?
[06:27:10] <pink_vampire> juat put a note here. ask google.
[06:27:41] <archivist> the point is you have already been given the man page url for motion
[06:29:08] <pink_vampire> I'm going in circles
[06:36:49] <pink_vampire> ok, nothing
[06:37:25] <pink_vampire> I read all this page http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[06:37:40] <pink_vampire> and I have no idea what to do.
[06:38:14] <pink_vampire> i can 't handle it.
[06:39:02] <pink_vampire> it's beyond me.
[06:39:02] <enleth> any thoughts on removing a 608 bearing that's completely recessed in a pocket with only a shaft-sized hole at the bottom?
[06:39:23] <enleth> I'm thinking of an expanding anchorvto pull it out
[06:39:29] <XXCoder> termal differences comes to my mind
[06:39:51] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you need to send him to google.
[06:39:53] <pink_vampire> to read.
[06:40:01] <XXCoder> depends on how easy to warm up external and cool bearing
[06:42:58] <archivist> enleth, I sometime use a dremel and cut them out
[06:44:30] <enleth> archivist: tempting, but I'd have to cut at a funny angle to avoid hitting the pocket wall/bottom while cutting all the way through
[06:44:51] <XXCoder> dry ice and flames ;)
[06:44:58] <XXCoder> honestly dunno if that would be enough
[06:45:09] <archivist> yup is a pain and hard to do, up to 10 blades get broken
[06:45:15] <enleth> will try, worst case, it will weaken the bearing and let me extract it some other way using less force
[06:46:03] <enleth> I could also cut a groove to have something to grab onto
[06:46:08] <archivist> last one I did, the only damage was the chisel after it snapped :(
[06:46:18] <archivist> left a dent
[06:47:00] <XXCoder> archivist: whats that air pressure deburr tool called, looks like conic drill kinda
[06:47:07] <XXCoder> might be able to cut into it
[06:47:12] <XXCoder> slowly.
[06:48:32] <archivist> to me those air grinders are equivalent to dremels
[06:48:48] <archivist> it is slow and not easy
[06:48:57] <XXCoder> thinner though so bit easier maybe
[06:49:44] <enleth> I've got a dremel with a flex extension, actually I prefer it to an air grinder
[06:50:04] <enleth> doesn't kick the grindinf dust up
[06:50:13] <enleth> *grinding
[06:50:17] <XXCoder> true, that
[06:50:53] <enleth> and it's lighter, the brass coupling on the hose alone weighs almost as much
[06:51:50] <enleth> air grinder will not overheat from stalling, though
[06:52:24] <mase-tech> Hi HI
[06:52:34] <mase-tech> Whats up people
[06:53:09] <archivist> you need enough weight so it does not kick and snap the disk
[06:53:27] <XXCoder> hey
[06:53:36] <mase-tech> Plz have a look
[06:53:46] <mase-tech> at this video about chinese quality
[06:53:49] <mase-tech> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8NqeD73ZZ4
[06:54:06] <mase-tech> I cannt stop lauging
[06:54:49] <mase-tech> Hand scraping: Chinese spotting technique revealed!
[06:54:52] <mase-tech> :DDDDD
[06:55:46] <mase-tech> XXCoder: U like it :)
[06:56:01] <XXCoder> looking
[06:56:47] <XXCoder> :P
[06:56:51] <mase-tech> :DDD
[06:56:57] <mase-tech> Did u read his text
[06:57:09] <mase-tech> He got a chinese mill to scrap
[06:57:21] <mase-tech> ANd he was so mad
[06:57:50] <mase-tech> The other thing is I find it interessting
[06:58:00] <mase-tech> hand scraping is so accurate
[07:00:26] <archivist> I use a hand scraper to remove rust, works well on cast iron
[07:01:07] <mase-tech> I feel deeply impressed about making the sureface plane
[07:01:26] <mase-tech> plane like to piece hold toghter vs gravity
[07:01:42] <mase-tech> but thats not all
[07:02:03] <mase-tech> They scrap plane + perpendicular and paralell
[07:02:09] <mase-tech> thats insane
[07:02:17] <mase-tech> with this accuracy
[07:02:34] <mase-tech> I cannt imagen how this works on a metall surface
[07:02:53] <mase-tech> scrating over it and make it perpenticular
[07:03:16] <mase-tech> INSANE
[07:03:46] <mase-tech> 0,01-0,0001 by with of costomer
[07:03:52] <mase-tech> with hand
[07:03:56] <mase-tech> insane
[07:04:55] <mase-tech> I wanted to buy this http://www.ebay.de/itm/Optimum-OPTI-F20-Bohrmaschine-Frasmaschine-Oberfrase/282024941542?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36511%26meid%3D361a2a05b510423ea3d42c008eb1e856%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D200723243846
[07:05:00] <archivist> try it to find out why it is easier than you thought
[07:05:04] <mase-tech> but it got out of budget
[07:05:35] <archivist> good, it is not a good machine
[07:05:46] <archivist> it is ok for drilling
[07:06:12] <mase-tech> and this new ?
[07:06:13] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.de/itm/KF-10-Bernardo-Bohr-und-Frasmaschine-/331244490562?hash=item4d1fb5cf42:g:pj4AAOSwezVWwkhd
[07:06:42] <archivist> a little tiny
[07:06:46] <mase-tech> I am young compared most of you
[07:06:55] <mase-tech> but I like the old maschines
[07:07:06] <mase-tech> Much higher Quality I thing
[07:07:13] <mase-tech> Massive and heavy
[07:07:16] <archivist> I had a mill drill many years ago, was glad to sel and get rid of it
[07:09:04] <mase-tech> Well not everything is good from all times
[07:09:06] <mase-tech> I guess
[07:10:20] <mase-tech> Is oil good enough for corrsions protection
[07:19:38] <archivist> depends on the oil, and how the item is handled/used
[07:24:22] <XXCoder> LOL http://lolnein.com/comics/cardboardrolls.png
[07:33:06] <mase-tech> I dont understand
[07:33:25] <mase-tech> archivist: It is a pipe
[07:33:48] <mase-tech> 3 ball bearings rolling on it
[07:34:08] <mase-tech> It is under the roof
[07:34:32] <mase-tech> so only humity mostiure
[07:39:31] <archivist> the rollers push the oil away, the contact point starts to rust
[07:40:04] <archivist> human who has rusty fingers also causes rust
[07:42:52] <mase-tech> I tought about to add brown
[08:10:32] <gregcnc> pink_vampire test with the current limits on the Gecko turned way down. If you have a 12V supply use it.
[08:14:36] <gregcnc> i just read some of what happened earlier, wow
[08:16:58] <Jymmm> what happened earlier?
[08:17:10] <archivist> not a lot
[08:17:28] <gregcnc> maybe a lot of nothing
[08:18:12] <Jymmm> Ah, thought maybe gregcnc become a baby daddy or something
[08:19:06] <_methods> lol
[08:19:12] <Jymmm> ...and archivist is the mother!
[08:19:13] <_methods> congrats on the baby
[08:20:37] <Jymmm> ... and _methods is the father (just no respirator to breath thru)
[08:21:09] <gregcnc> O_O
[08:21:33] <gregcnc> wife says no more
[08:21:57] <gregcnc> but s'es telling me to buy a lathe
[08:23:30] <archivist> trying to get you out the house and in the shed where she know where you are
[08:23:48] <_methods> do it
[08:23:50] <_methods> oh nm
[08:23:55] <_methods> think about it for a couple weeks
[08:23:56] <gregcnc> this is nothing new
[08:23:59] <_methods> maybe research it
[08:24:14] <_methods> get tripolymorphate to help you find a lathe lol
[08:24:21] <Jymmm> archivist++++
[08:24:24] <gregcnc> it's just down to beating the price out of the dealer
[08:26:14] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Tell the dealer if you don't lower the price, you'll send over your wife to "talk" to them ;)
[08:27:07] <gregcnc> how best to convey how excruciating this talking would be
[08:28:21] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Simple.... To dealer "YOu know how your wife/gf gives you THAT look? Well, that's just a warm up for my wifey "
[08:53:34] <gregcnc> lol https://youtu.be/v7Rmzr3lkJs?t=1m46s
[09:27:14] <Jymmm> gregcnc: lol
[09:27:35] <Jymmm> and charcoal is sold by weight, lovely.
[09:28:11] <gregcnc> they use dozers to push the wood scrap around, no surprise
[09:28:42] <_methods> http://www.core77.com/posts/52676/This-is-What-a-150000-Antique-Tool-Storage-Case-Looks-Like
[09:28:44] <gregcnc> but I had a bag of cheap stuff once that was like 25% pea gravel
[09:28:50] <gregcnc> with some nails
[09:29:01] <Jymmm> Well, mmaybe 2%, but 10%? I don't think so
[09:29:27] <gregcnc> stuf barely burned
[09:31:46] <Jymmm> I had some infested firewood, so burned it. Turned into lump charcoal basically. Man, I used just the scraps from that to bbq, turned out great. Even took a chunk of seasoned cedar and toss next to the coals, seriously infused a great flavor into the meat
[09:31:57] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krT2BsWnspc
[09:31:59] <_methods> land shark
[09:32:06] <gregcnc> I want to make my own. Watched a clip about biochar while back.
[09:33:37] <Jymmm> gregcnc: DIY charcoal you mean? It's super easy
[09:33:52] <gregcnc> yeah, but I'll need to move first
[09:34:17] <Jymmm> Not really, all you do is add heat and take away oxygen.
[09:34:28] <_methods> kinda like Jymmm's brain
[09:34:33] <mase-tech> Where is the point of charcoal ? you could simply burn the wood
[09:35:09] <gregcnc> time
[09:35:31] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Find a 25 or 55gal drum, load with wood, top with lid with a couple vent holes in it, and start a fire under it.
[09:35:45] <gregcnc> right
[09:37:21] <mase-tech> WHat will happen ?
[09:37:34] <Jymmm> FWIW 60% of the BTU's from wood is in the gassification, only 40% is from the solids. (at full combustion temperature)
[09:37:34] <gregcnc> you get charcoal
[09:38:07] <mase-tech> A ok but why make charcoal instead of burning the wood
[09:38:23] <gregcnc> I've never seen that stat
[09:38:34] <Jymmm> mase-tech: better heat control for one
[09:38:37] <mase-tech> charcoal did safe the energy from fire but with loses
[09:38:40] <djdelorie> wood is wet
[09:38:50] <gregcnc> why cut parts out of metal when you can have metal bar stock?
[09:39:56] <gregcnc> is charcoal still legal in CA?
[09:40:04] <_methods> lol
[09:40:09] <Jymmm> gregcnc: barely
[09:40:42] <_methods> once donald is runnin this shit show you'll be able to burn all the tires you want
[09:40:43] <Jymmm> gregcnc: I have to make a border run to get MEK though... AZ/NV/OR border that is.
[09:41:05] <mase-tech> _methods: :DDDD donald will make america great again
[09:41:15] <_methods> hell yeah
[09:41:24] <gregcnc> Will Musk begin making Tesla grills?
[09:41:27] <_methods> i can't wait till it's legal to torture mexicans again
[09:41:30] <Jymmm> _methods: cement plants acutally burn tires to and create their own electricity
[09:41:48] <_methods> i'm gonna burn some endgangered animals or some shit when he gets elected
[09:41:50] <mase-tech> _methods: we could burn them with the tires
[09:41:55] <mase-tech> :D
[09:42:21] <_methods> go capture some unsuspecting arabs and waterboard teh shit out of them
[09:42:28] <_methods> things are going to be great again
[09:42:34] <mase-tech> _methods: you are my nan
[09:42:37] <mase-tech> man
[09:43:20] <Jymmm> gregcnc: you probably did see the stats on White oak having 28.2M BTU's per cord vs Black Oak having 22.6M BTU's per cord either
[09:44:13] <mase-tech> _methods: we need some stronger attidue vs arabs, I live here in germany.
[09:44:15] <gregcnc> I've looked at some. i have a pdf of biofuels somewhere
[09:44:21] <mase-tech> And I tell u
[09:44:28] <mase-tech> It is a totally mees
[09:44:28] <_methods> i'm joking
[09:44:40] <_methods> i'm not actually going to capture arabs and torture them
[09:44:52] <_methods> that was all sarcasm
[09:45:09] <_methods> sorry irc may not be conveying my contempt for donald trump correctly
[09:45:31] <mase-tech> If I go to Darmstadt or Frankfurt there are mor arabs than germans
[09:45:32] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/marcoterenzi/ models of tools anyone?
[09:45:32] <Jymmm> _methods: So, he's living in your head rent free, huh?
[09:45:36] <_methods> i think donald trump is a giant douchebag
[09:45:44] <mase-tech> Germany is getting egypt
[09:46:04] <_methods> that crazy mini tool guy
[09:46:13] <Jymmm> _methods: rent free it is!
[09:46:30] <_methods> rent free?
[09:46:33] <mase-tech> I am joking to
[09:46:36] <Jymmm> _methods: almost sounds liek you are paying him rent
[09:46:39] <gregcnc> I saw his work at a show a couple weeks ago. the detail is incredible
[09:46:41] <_methods> who donald?
[09:46:55] <Jymmm> _methods: Yeah, your BFF
[09:47:02] <_methods> sweet jesus
[09:47:30] <_methods> i has no love for the donald
[09:47:51] <_methods> i used to enjoy the entertainment value this was all providing........
[09:47:57] <_methods> but now it's not funny anymore
[09:48:03] <Jymmm> Why is it "sweet jesus", maybe it's "salty jesus", you know after mowing your lawn and all.
[09:48:03] <mase-tech> I would love to see sanders win
[09:48:20] <mase-tech> if he not wins than I pray for thrump
[09:48:46] <_methods> well at this point there really isn't much of a selection for president
[09:49:08] <mase-tech> Thats american democrcy
[09:49:09] <_methods> tweedle-dee or tweedle-dumb
[09:49:24] <Jymmm> lesser of the evils
[09:50:13] <mase-tech> I swear I watched the hole show till obamma won
[09:50:18] <mase-tech> 2 times
[09:50:34] <mase-tech> A black american to be president
[09:50:37] * tiwake pokes _methods
[09:51:00] <mase-tech> I really thought world would change
[09:51:07] <mase-tech> but after 8 years
[09:51:16] <mase-tech> they took the trust away
[09:51:23] <tiwake> _methods: getting dressed for work right now and thinking of you
[10:07:28] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/172186073932 for when you have to be sure
[10:13:18] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:13:33] <zeeshan|2> cool find :)
[10:39:54] <_methods> hahah
[10:40:15] <archivist> strange micrometer, want it, will never ever have a use
[10:40:36] <_methods> the ole double barrel mic
[10:40:58] <_methods> works great for making crinkly paper strips too
[10:41:07] <_methods> just run some paper between the thimbles lol
[10:41:18] <_methods> knurled paper
[10:49:57] <gregcnc> I almost bought a Mit comparator mic. Couldn't remember why I wanted it though. like this, new. www.ebay.com/itm/272228812595
[10:54:09] <archivist> I wonder if that is like the NPL fudiciary indicator http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bench+micrometer
[10:54:39] <archivist> just measures contact pressure to make sure of reading
[10:57:13] <gregcnc> It's just a tenths indicator on a mic frame. Some have the normal calibrated spindle some don't.
[10:58:15] <gregcnc> useful when you have many parts to check of close tolerance.
[11:27:51] <zeeshan|2> anyone here grind aluminum? :D
[11:33:08] <CaptHindsight> it's great for filling the voids on the surface of the wheels
[11:40:02] <zeeshan|2> lol
[11:41:06] <archivist> I think someone forgot the unglue on his grinding wheel
[11:45:19] <CaptHindsight> milling ring for angle grinders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t161TvWGQQ
[11:47:25] <_methods> that's cool
[11:47:36] <_methods> might have to get some of them to try out
[11:48:45] <CaptHindsight> but then you can't walk around the shop doing this https://youtu.be/JZPkIFWv3g0?t=3m50s
[11:49:23] <_methods> did you see those fingernails
[11:49:30] <gregcnc> is that guy in his socks?
[11:50:24] <_methods> among other things
[11:53:59] <yasnak> freaking florida power grid
[11:56:57] <gregcnc> i wonder where the spare strips for the heat sealer are, they used to be taped to the bottom
[11:59:14] <archivist> person who used the last one did not re order
[12:00:01] <gregcnc> crap that would be me
[12:01:44] <jdh> look in that cabinet in the corner
[12:04:58] <zeeshan|2> flap discs work well for aluminum
[12:05:05] <zeeshan|2> i was wondering if someone has tried blanchard grinding it
[12:05:30] <CaptHindsight> is that fancy French term?
[12:06:05] <zeeshan|2> that tool the milling ring
[12:06:10] <zeeshan|2> looks dangerous.
[12:06:17] <yasnak> right
[12:06:21] <zeeshan|2> im pretty sure that guard wouldn't do crap
[12:06:23] <CaptHindsight> why i want one as well
[12:06:24] <yasnak> esspecially the free hand cut he makes
[12:06:25] <zeeshan|2> to stop anything when it exploded
[12:06:40] <yasnak> all it takes is one slip and it to grab
[12:06:58] <yasnak> plus i think i saw him in socks? lol
[12:07:02] <zeeshan|2> lol
[12:07:07] <zeeshan|2> hes hardcore
[12:07:09] <zeeshan|2> like CaptHindsight
[12:07:17] <yasnak> dear god, i dont mind slivers but slivers that get in my shoe are by far the worst
[12:07:46] <djdelorie> slivers in your eye are the worst
[12:08:26] <djdelorie> and by "in your eye" I mean "surgery required to remove them"
[12:08:34] <yasnak> yeah, those are fun
[12:08:49] <yasnak> had to get an MRI when I lost hearing
[12:09:08] <CaptHindsight> well machining in your shorts while frying bacon can be pretty painful as well
[12:09:17] <zeeshan|2> to be honest
[12:09:17] <yasnak> they made me get xrays to confirm I had metal in my eyes, it would have been bad
[12:09:21] <zeeshan|2> the other day i machined a small piece
[12:09:22] <zeeshan|2> in boxers only
[12:09:24] <zeeshan|2> and slippers
[12:09:30] <zeeshan|2> lol
[12:09:32] <djdelorie> yasnak: been there :-)
[12:09:54] <yasnak> yeah, fun stuff
[12:10:15] <zeeshan|2> any of you guys tig weld
[12:10:20] <zeeshan|2> holy cow my friend got a new tig welder
[12:10:24] <yasnak> yeah
[12:10:25] <zeeshan|2> the lincoln inverter style for 1400$
[12:10:31] <yasnak> just a little miller tig welder
[12:10:33] <zeeshan|2> now i want it over my xfmr style
[12:10:41] <zeeshan|2> the 150hz ac aluminum welding is AWESOME
[12:10:44] <yasnak> makes my arc look like goliath
[12:10:52] <zeeshan|2> my welds were 1/8-3/16" narrower
[12:10:55] <zeeshan|2> on 1/4" aluminum
[12:10:56] <zeeshan|2> er
[12:10:57] <yasnak> with its massive 5x6x6ft power supply haha
[12:10:58] <zeeshan|2> 1/8 aluminum
[12:11:13] <zeeshan|2> yasnak: f xfmrs!
[12:11:17] <zeeshan|2> im selling mine
[12:11:31] <yasnak> this tig is nice
[12:11:42] <yasnak> but when doing alot of aluminum it just doesn't want to go for long periods
[12:11:45] <zeeshan|2> on aluminum high frequency welding is almost a must in my eyes now
[12:11:54] <zeeshan|2> to make the weld look pretty
[12:12:34] <zeeshan|2> http://image.thefabricator.com/a/articles/images/2176/increasing-frequency.jpg
[12:12:38] <zeeshan|2> that is REALLY the difference!
[12:12:52] <zeeshan|2> both images are same scale
[12:14:05] <CaptHindsight> for light stuff these are great https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/for/5543350232.html
[12:16:15] <CaptHindsight> they just need better accessories
[12:28:19] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/aIXgEBJl.jpg
[12:28:20] <Bushman> the PCB was cut exceptionally well.
[12:28:21] <Bushman> all the bad looking parts of my dad's design are beautifully reflected in the finall cut :D
[12:32:21] <Jymmm> Rust removal http://imgur.com/3JP1ZIY
[12:42:01] <Loetmichel> Bushman: you think so?
[12:42:15] <gregcnc> that's pretty good. i've tried tea, electrolysis, evaporust, and phosphoric acid.
[12:42:29] * Loetmichel sses Bushman and raises: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14507
[12:43:03] <Bushman> don't you rise me :D
[12:43:15] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Yeah, I think ppl try too hard sometimes. Just plain old household white vinegar soaked for apx 36 hours.
[12:43:20] <Bushman> Jymmm: you call that rust removal?
[12:43:26] <Bushman> this is rust removal! http://imgur.com/gallery/TQOzwfO
[12:43:29] <Jymmm> Bushman: Damn straight!
[12:43:45] <Bushman> :D
[12:43:57] <Bushman> Loetmichel: these were CNC'ed too?
[12:44:20] <Loetmichel> Bushman: and that was done on a cheap as fu** chinese CNC 6040 ;) -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMXxjT4nNxg
[12:44:51] <Bushman> my machine is all floppy and sloppy... but just you wait, some day i'll make such a PCB you'll be obliterated by it's perfectness lol
[12:45:00] <Jymmm> Bushman: Now, let's see the UNphotoshoped version of that =)
[12:45:30] <gregcnc> I've never tried coffee grounds
[12:45:32] <Bushman> chinese machine?
[12:45:53] <Loetmichel> Bushman: standard CNC 6040
[12:46:10] <Bushman> oh yea?
[12:46:18] <Bushman> try to beat wooden CNC! http://i.imgur.com/XL6aZazl.jpg
[12:46:21] <Bushman> XD
[12:46:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16170
[12:46:58] <Loetmichel> wooden CNC? no problem
[12:47:11] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=3077
[12:47:26] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935
[12:47:34] <Bushman> neat ;]
[12:47:35] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11205
[12:47:39] <Loetmichel> ... questions? ;)
[12:47:51] <Bushman> naah
[12:48:09] <Bushman> but mine is more ghetto!
[12:48:12] <Bushman> muahahah!
[12:48:28] <Loetmichel> btw: the lst two ere WAY more rigid than a CNC 6040
[12:48:33] <Loetmichel> were
[12:48:38] <Loetmichel> last
[12:48:50] <Bushman> mine is nowhere close to being rigid :(
[12:49:01] <Loetmichel> more ghretto than my first one?
[12:49:06] <Jymmm> Bushman: Sheeeet, you all that ghetto?! HA!
[12:49:10] <Jymmm> call*
[12:49:21] <Bushman> Jymmm: well, it's after upgrades
[12:49:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=2859&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:49:31] <Bushman> it used to work on darwer slides
[12:50:29] <Loetmichel> i noticed back then that PMMA ISNT the best material to do linear ways out of ;)
[12:50:36] <Loetmichel> and structual components.
[12:50:41] <Bushman> heh
[12:50:41] <Loetmichel> but it worked
[12:50:53] <Bushman> here's my ghetto extruder for 3D printing
[12:50:54] <Bushman> http://i.imgur.com/cVpxJnfl.jpg
[12:50:55] <Bushman> :D
[12:51:20] <Bushman> yes. that's a rubber band and some wooden scraps for filament guide
[12:51:21] <Bushman> :D
[12:51:34] <Jymmm> Bushman: Now, HERE's ghetto.... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nX1x0aXkvJ8/maxresdefault.jpg
[12:51:59] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: ghettoBLASTER?
[12:52:14] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: FIIK, just what google found
[12:52:19] <Bushman> TubeBox
[12:52:24] <Bushman> :D
[12:52:33] <Bushman> heh, fun.
[12:52:52] <Bushman> ok, i gtg. c'ya guys later ;]
[12:53:08] * Bushman run off into darkness
[12:54:43] * Loetmichel will go out now and change his tyres to "summer+alloys"... drove to 5 tyre dealers this evening after work. each one told me "come back friday, were closing now...
[12:55:28] <Loetmichel> ... and then i will drive 250km to the 4 day copter meeting VERY slowly because said tyres miss some balancing weights.. :-(
[12:55:34] <Loetmichel> <- pissed as hell now.
[13:26:31] <danilochka> What powersupply do I need if I am running 4 stepper motors 2.8v 1.68a
[13:28:59] <Tom_itx> 48v 3A
[13:29:16] <Tom_itx> maybe a bit more A
[13:29:29] <Tom_itx> what can your stepper drivers handle?
[13:29:30] <danilochka> 48v??
[13:29:44] <Tom_itx> that's where your limit would be
[13:29:49] <Tom_itx> on the driver
[13:30:22] <danilochka> I don't know what they can handle, its a cheap chinese CNC, im changing out the control box as its faulty
[13:30:31] <Tom_itx> see they're chopper drivers so you can get by with more voltage
[13:31:03] <danilochka> http://www.robotshop.com/ca/en/soyo-reprap-stepper-motor.html
[13:31:08] <Tom_itx> the higher the quicker you can step the steppers
[13:31:10] <danilochka> i think thats them
[13:31:48] <danilochka> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-8-V-1-68A-4-4-kg-cm-RepRap-Stepper-Motor-/121703507661 here is more details
[13:31:52] <Tom_itx> most reprappers don't go beyond 24v
[13:31:59] <Tom_itx> cause they're sissies
[13:32:15] <danilochka> but do I really need 48v?
[13:32:46] <danilochka> What about the wattage?
[13:33:35] <Tom_itx> you need to find specs on your stepper driver first
[13:34:24] <Loetmichel> as a rule of thumb its best to have a PSU thats a few volts under the maximum ratings of your drivers
[13:34:56] <Loetmichel> and about as much current capability as all motors combined divided by the voltage ratio *1,5
[13:35:32] <danilochka> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/MW-High-Quality-48V-7-5A-360W-DC-Regulated-Switching-Power-Supply-CNC-/130542916975?hash=item1e64f6d56f:g:QowAAOxyTkJSSSNp
[13:37:06] <danilochka> • Step Angle: 0.9° • Step Angle Accuracy: ±5% (full step, no load) • Resistance Accuracy: ±10% • Inductance Accuracy: ±20% • Temperature Rise: 80°C Max.(rated current, 2 phase on) • Ambient Temperature: -20°C - +50°C • Insulation Resistance: 100M ohm Min., 500VDC • Dielectric Strength: 500VAC for one minute • Shaft Radial Play: 0.02Max. (450 g-load) • Shaft Axial Play: 0.08Max. (450 g-load) • Max.
[13:37:15] <danilochka> That's all I can find
[13:37:36] <Loetmichel> i.e: 3 motors a 2 windings 2A each at 2.8 V and 32V capable drivers would be 3*2*6A/(28V/2,8V)= you need an 28V PSU with a current of at least 1,2A. better 2A
[13:38:31] <danilochka> the control driver is rated up to 36v
[13:38:37] <Loetmichel> only works if the drivers are chopping drivers, i.e wprk like a SMPS
[13:38:39] <Loetmichel> work
[13:39:13] <danilochka> anyway, I gotta go, I'll look into it later, thanks guys
[15:04:54] * Loetmichel is sweating like crazy. I just changed the tyres, filled her up and checked the oil, water and tyre pressure. now i can go to the copter convention. ... so much for "no rust"... had to put a wooden beam under the lift jack plate. it just vanished into the sill beam on one side :-( ... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16289&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[15:06:45] <gregcnc> at some point I decided the same would happen to my e36 so I never use that lift point
[15:12:37] * Tom_itx thought archivist etc might be interested in some of these: https://murdercube.com/files/Workshop/Machining%20and%20Machinery/
[16:08:23] <Deejay> gn8
[16:51:09] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L37IhrkVX04 5-axis cnc glue gun
[16:55:04] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaIOrQi2HLM hybrid 5 axis metal deposition and mill
[16:56:38] <djdelorie> same thing, different glue :-)
[16:57:11] <CaptHindsight> direct metal laser sintering = Laserstrahlschutzgasmetalpulver
[16:57:36] <djdelorie> I love the way Germans make up new words by just taking the spaces out of sentences...
[16:57:44] <CaptHindsight> the 5-axis plastic pooper did not have milling
[16:59:01] <CaptHindsight> or direkte Metall-Laser-Sintern
[16:59:50] <gregcnc> you'll need a substantial desk for that one
[16:59:56] <CaptHindsight> whycome those reprap clowns don't work on more practical machines?
[17:00:06] <djdelorie> milling plastic pooper at 2:48
[17:01:22] <CaptHindsight> lost in translation, I'll have to watch it again in Japanese
[17:01:42] <djdelorie> they both work by melting an aggregate and depositing it under cnc control...
[17:02:02] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Because they're not reprap clowns if they work on practical machines
[17:02:13] <_methods> damn malcom2073 has a point
[17:02:45] <CaptHindsight> no disrespect to clowns
[17:03:32] <_methods> hahah
[17:03:41] <Tom_Lab> zlog_,
[17:07:07] <CaptHindsight> djdelorie: if they actually used an aggregate I'd be impressed
[17:07:16] <djdelorie> which one?
[17:07:37] <CaptHindsight> and by aggregate more than just a thermoplastic with sawdust
[17:08:17] * djdelorie couldn't think of a better term for "bulk stuff that gets turned into other stuff"
[17:09:35] <djdelorie> and one that excludes solid blocks of material, such as what a mill would use
[17:10:12] <djdelorie> feedstock?
[17:11:01] <Tom_Lab> which is more energy efficient? metal removal or deposit
[17:11:15] <CaptHindsight> pop-scammer filament
[17:11:54] <djdelorie> for metal, I would think material properties would overwhelm energy efficiency for most designs
[17:12:24] <djdelorie> I know 3d-printed plastics have failure modes significantly different than molded plastics
[17:12:36] <CaptHindsight> pop-scam, popular scams where people jump on whatever bandwagon in order to separate the unwary from their cash
[17:12:49] <Tom_Lab> looking at midrange graphic cards for cad... any suggestions?
[17:13:03] <malcom2073> I wonder if 4-5 axis 3d printing can compensate for some of the failure modes from the layers
[17:13:10] <djdelorie> I assume a metal form made of built-up weldment would be very different than something carved from soft stock
[17:13:21] <CaptHindsight> Tom_Lab: consumer gamer or the CAD cards with the "extra" extensions?
[17:13:46] <djdelorie> malcom2073: maybe, sort of how carbon fiber needs to have the fiber layout designed in to get max strength
[17:13:47] <Tom_Lab> mostly for a 2nd monitor or use it for the main
[17:14:18] <Tom_Lab> i'm not looking for $5k blistering spee
[17:14:19] <djdelorie> Tom_Lab: your card doesn't already support a second monitor? Mine supports up to four, and I have one on the shelf that does 12...
[17:14:19] <Tom_Lab> d
[17:14:32] <Tom_Lab> i'm using the onboard right now
[17:14:37] <CaptHindsight> we only use AMD but you have to see if the CAD app made a deal with nvidia to only give them proper support
[17:14:46] <djdelorie> andypugh: today's topic is plastic poopers :-)
[17:14:56] <Tom_Lab> mostly SW and catia right now
[17:15:05] <Tom_Lab> are gigabyte any good?
[17:15:20] <andypugh> Ah, those glue-gun things?
[17:15:29] <djdelorie> yup
[17:15:29] <Tom_Lab> i should find out what they use here at the lab
[17:15:36] <malcom2073> I have a nvidia 970, it takes pretty much anything I throw at it, and isn't terribly expensive
[17:15:54] <djdelorie> trying to analyze the difference between a 5D plastic laminating CNC and a 5D laser metal sintering CNC
[17:15:55] <Tom_Lab> was looking at a gigabyte 960? iirc
[17:16:10] <Tom_Lab> 950 maybe it was
[17:16:13] <CaptHindsight> Tom_Lab: Gigabyte tends to make the better GPU cards with the better heat sinks and fans
[17:16:22] <djdelorie> I have an nvidia 980gtx which is expensive and laughs at everything I throw at it
[17:16:35] <malcom2073> Yeah the 980 is even better
[17:16:42] <djdelorie> mine's evga but I've had gigabyte stuff before too, both are good
[17:18:01] <Tom_Lab> iirc it had 2g ram
[17:18:16] <CaptHindsight> as far as which is more efficient you have to define what you actually want to compare
[17:18:34] <Tom_Lab> yeah
[17:18:49] <CaptHindsight> SLA is far more efficient than FDM or milling
[17:18:51] <neckro23> gtx 970 is great but probably way overkill for cad
[17:19:34] <CaptHindsight> mW of light to polymerize vs many watts to melt or sinter
[17:19:59] <CaptHindsight> difficult to use mW of spindle to cut well
[17:20:07] <djdelorie> FDM runs around 30 watts
[17:20:29] <djdelorie> but you don't need a truck to deliver it from the west coast
[17:20:43] <Tom_Lab> neckro23, how many monitors will it support?
[17:22:22] <CaptHindsight> SLA does everything FDM does but more efficiently but don't tell that to the reprapists
[17:23:50] <djdelorie> as long as you don't mind wet chemicals. Dry plastic doesn't go bad over time. Bigger printers tend to be FDM at the moment, or SLS
[17:24:02] <CaptHindsight> DMLS vs inkjet printed molds
[17:24:23] <djdelorie> too many tla's again
[17:24:28] <Tom_Lab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LOGF3hFxHU
[17:24:41] <CaptHindsight> direct metal laser sintering
[17:24:55] <Tom_Lab> saw one of those last week
[17:25:02] <Tom_Lab> doing Ti
[17:25:03] <djdelorie> larger printers tend to use dry stock, either powders (SLS or inkjet) or filament (FDM)
[17:25:19] <neckro23> Tom_Lab: the one I have supports at least like... 4 I think
[17:25:26] <CaptHindsight> or the German Laserstrahlschutzgasmetalpulver
[17:25:26] <neckro23> it's just a matter of how many ports are on the thing
[17:25:37] <neckro23> 2 x DVI, 1 x HDMI, 1 x DisplayPort
[17:25:45] <neckro23> that's pretty standard for gaming cards these days
[17:25:50] <Tom_Lab> are they all HD or will they take the d style plug
[17:25:56] <CaptHindsight> djdelorie: you need to start looking outside of #reprap
[17:26:02] <CaptHindsight> to learn anything
[17:26:06] <djdelorie> never been there, actually
[17:26:11] <neckro23> not sure what you mean by HD
[17:26:46] <neckro23> it gets tricky if you're trying to do 4k, the standard ports can't handle it
[17:27:07] <Tom_Lab> i'm not
[17:28:23] <CaptHindsight> djdelorie: if you're storing you're not printing
[17:28:48] <djdelorie> true
[17:29:12] <djdelorie> I have a pile of different colors and plastics, though, and can only print with one at a time...
[17:29:22] <djdelorie> and a shed full of metal stock I'm not printing with either :-)
[17:29:33] <JT-Shop> what would be a simple way to display some canned text on a lcd with just a few outputs from a PLC?
[17:29:54] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: what kind of LCD?
[17:30:19] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: is cost a big fact?
[17:30:23] <Tom_Lab> i did a serial lcd interface once for my toaster oven
[17:30:32] <zeeshan|2> use hmi + plc
[17:30:33] <Tom_Lab> 4 x 24? 4 x 20 txt display
[17:30:49] <djdelorie> simple: buy a pc, connect serial port to plc and add lcd monitor :-)
[17:31:33] <zeeshan|2> tom
[17:31:40] <zeeshan|2> it looks like youre the only one actively logging this channel now
[17:31:44] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: a LCD like this? https://www.adafruit.com/product/181
[17:32:49] <Tom_Lab> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/serial_lcd_sch.png
[17:32:57] <Tom_Lab> there's my serial lcd board schematic
[17:33:20] <Tom_Lab> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/ser_lcd_board2.jpg
[17:33:21] <Tom_Lab> and board
[17:34:12] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: don't read the logs, many comments have been know to cause temporary brain injury
[17:34:28] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight: yes
[17:34:53] <Tom_Lab> you can likely get serial interface for them
[17:35:34] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: do you have a serial port on the PLC or just some extra IO?
[17:35:50] <JT-Shop> just a few extra I/O
[17:35:53] <Tom_Lab> mmm gotta go
[17:36:26] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2: it has to be much less cost than a touch screen
[17:36:42] <zeeshan|2> okay hmi out the window then
[17:36:42] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:36:50] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:37:43] <Tom_Lab> zeeshan|2, logger[mah] should be
[17:38:19] <CaptHindsight> https://www.adafruit.com/products/198 has the controller built in https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/datasheets/HD44780.pdf
[17:39:22] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VONMkKkdf4
[17:39:26] <zeeshan|2> im digging this song
[17:39:30] <zeeshan|2> motivation to machine faster
[17:39:33] <zeeshan|2> :D
[17:39:42] <Tom_Lab> sling em off white hot
[17:47:37] <JT-Shop> guess I need to dig out my Arduino and lcd
[17:47:41] <CaptHindsight> Tom_Lab: does someone sell your control board with a Tiny2313 or similar?
[17:47:59] <Tom_Lab> not that i know of
[17:48:08] <Tom_Lab> i just made up a couple
[17:48:21] <Tom_Lab> put one on my toaster oven
[17:48:44] <CaptHindsight> for counting slices?
[17:51:12] <Tom_Lab> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/avr/Toasteroven/4bit_mode/
[17:51:15] <Tom_Lab> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/oven.jpg
[17:51:19] <Tom_Lab> for reflow
[17:51:41] <Tom_Lab> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/reflow/cooking.JPG
[17:53:45] <CaptHindsight> I have a convection model
[17:54:21] <CaptHindsight> also good for more evenly baked pizzas :)
[17:56:16] <_methods> cookies?
[17:56:31] <CaptHindsight> those browser things?
[17:56:35] <_methods> hah
[17:56:37] <_methods> touche
[17:57:09] <CaptHindsight> i have to go unsee Tom's logs from 12 hours ago
[17:57:59] <CaptHindsight> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr box if hammers if anyone is interested
[17:58:10] <_methods> no doubt
[18:20:23] <Tom_Lab> CaptHindsight, did you need a serial board for something?
[18:30:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscpreci/catalogue-id-precis10000/lot-e82d4ec5-64fe-46b9-bb66-a5f5004b28dd neat
[18:34:18] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: Too small.
[18:34:29] <SpeedEvil> )
[18:34:48] <SpeedEvil> If I can sleep on the bed, it's big enough
[18:34:56] <SpeedEvil> I hadn't heard of 2 axis lathes
[18:35:03] <andypugh> 35k opening bid, seems high.
[18:35:33] <_methods> yeah they won't get that
[18:36:20] <andypugh> It probably cost 10x that new, of course.
[18:38:07] <Polymorphism> is there a channel here for 3d printers?
[18:41:50] <andypugh> Polymorphism the busiest is #reprap
[18:44:24] <Polymorphism> andypugh, ty
[18:45:04] <andypugh> I just searched the channels for “3D” and then sorted by busy-ness :-)
[18:45:44] <JT-JA13> what's up andypugh making something for a Mars car?
[18:45:51] <Lowridah> smarter guys in bigdelta but i don't suggest it for newbs
[18:46:04] <Lowridah> esp if you're into big delta printers haha
[18:47:03] <JT-JA13> I see Pete is still a beach bum
[18:47:45] <Polymorphism> https://all3dp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/wasp12.jpeg big like this?
[18:48:04] <Polymorphism> xD
[18:48:05] <Lowridah> yea that's a beeeeeeg delta
[18:48:34] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Maybe a 7i73 with custom firmware, programmed to display different text depending on whch pins are high?
[18:48:54] <JT-JA13> thats an idea
[18:48:56] <BeachBumPete> JT-JA13 did I give some reason to think that would change somehow? :D
[18:49:06] <JT-JA13> lol, no
[18:49:24] * JT-JA13 waits for ja13 gantry homing version to compile
[18:50:13] <JT-JA13> a 7i73 would be more industrial than an ardinuo
[18:50:16] <JT-JA13> I think
[18:51:28] <andypugh> Polymorphism: Big Hexapod: http://patapsco.nist.gov/imagegallery/retrieve.cfm?imageid=299&dpi=300&fileformat=jpg (I think that is the machine that LinuxCNC was written to control)
[18:52:23] <Lowridah> the size of those chips
[18:52:43] <Polymorphism> holy vrap
[18:52:44] <Polymorphism> crap
[18:52:54] <Polymorphism> wtf????
[18:53:00] <Polymorphism> what would you even need that level of robustness for
[18:53:14] <Polymorphism> that part doesnt look that big
[18:53:15] <Lowridah> precision, i'd guess
[18:53:30] <Lowridah> the part looks like a calibration piece
[18:55:13] <Tom_Lab> andypugh, the original emc?
[18:55:32] <andypugh> I think so.
[18:57:42] <andypugh> I haven’t seen this before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TowJZQi-qY
[19:03:23] <Lowridah> it's like watching an instructional video inside the 1979 movie Aliens
[19:04:10] <malcom2073> Haha, +1
[19:04:16] <malcom2073> Also known as: 1979 real life.
[19:13:19] <JT-JA13> BeachBumPete: you get the VMC hooked back up?
[19:15:40] <BeachBumPete> no man we are still trying to buy our new home. Jumping thru the hurdles the bank throws up :D
[19:16:45] <Tom_Lab> CaptHindsight, they're getting one of those NMG Mori's in at the lab here soon
[19:17:00] <JT-JA13> dang banks are a pia
[19:17:38] <JT-JA13> hmm must have done something wrong I didn't get the homing branch...
[19:19:14] <JT-JA13> ah well time to head inside
[19:45:55] <_methods> http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2016/05/man-seeks-compensation-of-280000-after.html
[19:46:01] <_methods> life is rough in france
[19:50:39] <Duc_mobile> I only wish that was my case for my job
[19:51:01] <_methods> but that's my stapler
[19:52:08] <Duc_mobile> LOL
[19:52:38] <Duc_mobile> France is a little weird for work hours anyways
[20:12:12] <Frank__16> hellooooooooooooooo
[20:16:02] <Duc_mobile> its cold in here
[20:24:53] <Frank__16> have u seen this guy?
[20:24:53] <Frank__16> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q
[20:29:21] <malcom2073> Yeah he's nuts
[20:29:22] <malcom2073> heh
[20:31:22] <Frank__16> in the good or the bad way? lol
[20:33:00] <malcom2073> I wouldn't ever wanna work for him, but would be cool to tour his shop :)
[20:36:53] <Valen> I want to make some air bearing stuff ;->
[20:37:59] <BeachBumPete> man I miss having a shop and machine tools that are powered up ;)
[20:41:43] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/bDoh8zQDT38 gopro on a rocket 396,000 ft
[20:42:56] <zeeshan|2> Wolf_:
[20:42:57] <zeeshan|2> you there?1
[20:50:16] <Wolf_> yo
[20:50:38] <malcom2073> gregcnc: nice
[20:53:21] <Wolf_> zeeshan|2: whats up?
[21:02:41] <zeeshan|2> hey man
[21:02:54] <zeeshan|2> i need to talk to another pro tigger :)
[21:02:59] <zeeshan|2> so my friends getting into tig
[21:03:06] <zeeshan|2> and everytime he welds, his tungsten blues
[21:03:14] <zeeshan|2> so im explaining to him that it's corroding.
[21:03:32] <zeeshan|2> we hooked my tank up to his regulator and welder, and it stopped bluing
[21:03:41] <zeeshan|2> he got his tank of gas replaced
[21:03:46] <zeeshan|2> came back, SAME problem!
[21:03:49] <zeeshan|2> it blues with his gas!!
[21:03:54] <zeeshan|2> its pure argon too..
[21:04:09] <zeeshan|2> think the weld supply place has a bad batch?
[21:11:55] <Renny> Hey guys, so I have a gcode problem. :P
[21:14:15] <Renny> On the gcode visualizer it shows a tool going down on the points in the path where it says to go down, but the actual machine only goes up when the tool first comes up off of z=0
[21:21:27] <jdh> all his fittings on your tanks?
[21:21:32] <jdh> reg also?
[21:21:36] <zeeshan|2> yes
[21:25:03] <jdh> bad gas
[21:25:12] <zeeshan|2> twice in a row?!
[21:25:15] <Wolf_> how blue?
[21:25:37] <jdh> I'd say not likely, but if it went away with yours...
[21:25:47] <Wolf_> and is it balling up at the tip?
[21:26:04] <Wolf_> wonder if he is getting it too hot/ close to the puddle
[21:26:29] <jdh> welding same material with your gas?
[21:31:41] <zeeshan|2> sorry was talking to him
[21:31:49] <zeeshan|2> he brought his welder over and we tested it here
[21:31:55] <Duc_mobile> better question, Did you test it yourself with the his gas?
[21:31:56] <zeeshan|2> im doing the welding so i know its not the technique
[21:32:02] <zeeshan|2> or any other thing
[21:32:08] <zeeshan|2> the only thing it could be is gas
[21:32:11] <zeeshan|2> but wtf twice
[21:32:15] <Wolf_> weird
[21:32:18] <jdh> material contamination?
[21:32:21] <zeeshan|2> no
[21:32:28] <jdh> bad valve?
[21:32:29] <zeeshan|2> i weld the same material
[21:32:35] <zeeshan|2> i put his regulator, etc on my tank
[21:32:38] <zeeshan|2> and welded, it was fine
[21:32:42] <Wolf_> make sure its not a blended gas
[21:32:43] <zeeshan|2> i put my tank to his welder and welded
[21:32:44] <Duc_mobile> or bad labeling. Maybe they hired a new idiot.
[21:32:44] <zeeshan|2> it was fine
[21:32:58] <zeeshan|2> asap i put his tank on either my welder
[21:32:59] <zeeshan|2> or his welder
[21:33:05] <zeeshan|2> it blues the tungsten within 30 seconds of welding
[21:33:19] <zeeshan|2> and then the arc likes to go for a walk
[21:33:33] <jdh> check the valve face? burst disc assembly?
[21:33:33] <zeeshan|2> one bad bottle yes, but two in a row
[21:33:40] <jdh> you swapped bottles, or refilled?
[21:33:42] <zeeshan|2> i'm thinking theyve got a bad batch
[21:33:45] <zeeshan|2> swapped bottles
[21:33:47] <Wolf_> ^
[21:33:56] <jdh> go get yours filled there !
[21:33:57] <zeeshan|2> i have a size 50 tank
[21:34:01] <zeeshan|2> he's got the little one
[21:34:05] <zeeshan|2> they fill the little ones
[21:34:11] <zeeshan|2> the big ones they exchange cause the main depot fills it
[21:34:18] <Wolf_> bad batch, or contaminated main tank
[21:34:24] <zeeshan|2> yea
[21:34:29] <jdh> I've got a 30ft tall liquid argon tank
[21:34:34] <Duc_mobile> I would call the welding store up to worn them
[21:34:36] <zeeshan|2> jeez jdh
[21:34:43] <zeeshan|2> he just lost a customer because of this
[21:34:47] <zeeshan|2> he's pretty pissed
[21:35:29] <zeeshan|2> ive tried putting 75-25 on my tig and weding
[21:35:38] <zeeshan|2> its much worse doing that
[21:35:42] <zeeshan|2> vs whats happening with his tank
[21:35:58] <Wolf_> wonder if its even argon then
[21:36:02] <zeeshan|2> it also sizzles
[21:36:10] <zeeshan|2> like you're welding dirty metal
[21:36:11] <jdh> heh
[21:36:19] <zeeshan|2> but you can still lay a bead down
[21:36:48] <jdh> I can analyze for o2 and helium... not argon though
[21:36:54] <zeeshan|2> jdh: nice!
[21:37:06] <zeeshan|2> do you think the supplier is a meter to check purity?
[21:37:13] <zeeshan|2> is = has
[21:37:23] <jdh> dunno, we pay out the ass for certified gas
[21:39:32] <Wolf_> I use small weldco shop for my owned tanks, my bigger tanks are from biggest weld supplier in baltimore area
[21:39:40] <jdh> they truck ours in. not sure if the local place can analyze
[21:39:56] <Wolf_> never had any issue with either one
[21:40:00] <zeeshan|2> id think an analyzer like that is $$$
[21:40:07] <zeeshan|2> Wolf_: i get my gas from the same place too
[21:40:12] <zeeshan|2> i havent had a problem in the 4 years ive been going there
[21:40:21] <zeeshan|2> they get their gas from air liquide
[21:40:28] <zeeshan|2> which is where i went before i started going here
[21:40:44] <Wolf_> odd
[21:41:05] <Wolf_> really sounds like mislabel
[21:41:30] <Wolf_> no idea what the hell it could be tho
[21:41:38] <zeeshan|2> i tried breathing it
[21:41:45] <jdh> dumbass
[21:41:46] <zeeshan|2> tasted like argon
[21:41:53] <zeeshan|2> :)
[21:42:05] <zeeshan|2> jk
[21:42:08] <zeeshan|2> i'd never do that
[21:42:12] <zeeshan|2> it doesnt have a smell or taste
[21:42:14] <zeeshan|2> its inert. duh
[21:42:19] <zeeshan|2> plus its a good way to die
[21:42:51] <jdh> inert gas asphyxiation is hard to recover from without o2 and a bag mask
[21:43:10] <zeeshan|2> you dont think you could exhale it out?
[21:43:22] <jdh> usually
[21:43:33] <zeeshan|2> its like helium in the lungs
[21:43:36] <jdh> but, your ppo2 drops completely
[21:43:38] <zeeshan|2> if you can displace it, id think you'd be ok
[21:43:48] <zeeshan|2> i wouldnt want to try
[21:44:10] <jdh> I check my deep mixes by voice (usually 45% or more helium)
[21:44:22] <zeeshan|2> you mix argon in there too?
[21:44:29] <jdh> rough check anyway, I have a helium analyzer
[21:44:34] <jdh> no, argon is narcotic at depth
[21:44:46] <zeeshan|2> so why do you have a 35 ft argon tank
[21:44:54] <jdh> at work, for tig
[21:44:59] <zeeshan|2> o
[21:45:15] <zeeshan|2> had you had bad gas?
[21:45:16] <jdh> bigass liquid argon and two tube trucks of He
[21:45:17] <zeeshan|2> *have
[21:45:23] <jdh> once, about 10 years ago
[21:46:23] <flyback> damn
[21:46:30] <flyback> you had that nick long jdh?
[21:46:41] <jdh> early 90's
[21:46:48] <flyback> were you on linuxnet
[21:46:59] <jdh> yeah
[21:47:08] <flyback> I thought so
[21:47:15] <flyback> nick is about all I remember
[21:47:19] * flyback fishhead/i8086
[21:47:47] <flyback> or what's left of him
[21:48:28] * flyback punches renesis q
[21:58:18] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzsLyG_u1S4
[21:58:18] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:58:22] <zeeshan|2> found an old video of the rx7 :D
[21:58:25] * zeeshan|2 being dumb
[21:59:15] <jdh> heh... I was going to ask, how do you feel about that now?
[22:00:28] <zeeshan|2> its so easy to do donuts on it
[22:00:34] <zeeshan|2> just step on the throttle
[22:01:15] * flyback sinks his teeth deep into zeeshan|2's leg meat
[22:01:19] <flyback> EH?-HOLE!
[22:01:51] * Tom_itx gives zeeshan|2 some bad gas
[22:02:20] <flyback> SPEAKING of looking creepy outside I might have to shake the dust off my genny
[22:04:06] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIqib3j1otk
[22:04:08] <zeeshan|2> i miss my lathe :{
[22:04:17] <flyback> why miss it? did you sell it?
[22:04:24] <zeeshan|2> yea
[22:04:28] <zeeshan|2> now i have a busted big ass lathe
[22:04:28] <flyback> YOU STUPID CANUCK
[22:04:29] <zeeshan|2> :)
[22:04:43] <flyback> what's wrong with the one you got
[22:04:52] <zeeshan|2> need to build a control for it
[22:05:02] <flyback> oh that doesn't sound too bad
[22:07:03] <flyback> neat shit
[22:08:17] <Renny> Hey, does anyone know of any gcode exporter that can get rid of annoying variable things that are messing my gcode up?
[22:09:12] <jdh> quit putting annoying variable things in your gcode
[22:09:21] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:09:42] <flyback> jdh that's what she said?
[22:09:52] <Renny> I'm not the one that put them there D:
[22:09:55] <flyback> jdh that's what she said?
[22:10:06] <flyback> err Renny
[22:10:16] <Renny> I just found some example gcode file :l
[22:11:02] <flyback> I just built a ventilation system for when I am hosing down the basement with bleach
[22:11:14] <flyback> that's about as mechical as I got lately
[22:11:57] <flyback> jdh I can't remember if we got along or wanted to kill each other
[22:12:16] <jdh> I get along with everyone.
[22:12:20] <flyback> cool :)
[22:12:27] <jdh> except for those assholes
[22:12:44] <flyback> I love watching videos on early machine tools
[22:13:03] <flyback> and how amzing even ones programmable with just clockwork, were for the time
[22:13:07] <jdh> I thought you were banned most of the time
[22:13:11] <flyback> yeah
[22:13:48] <flyback> im a shadow of my former self these days
[22:13:53] <flyback> BUT I STILL HATE CANADIANS
[22:14:09] <flyback> j/k :P
[22:18:36] <bobo_> zeeshan
[22:18:52] <Renny> Hm, what gcode generator do you guys use?
[22:18:55] <zeeshan|2> hi
[22:19:07] <Renny> ...or do you all just hand-carve all the gcode you use? :P
[22:20:42] <Renny> Actually, dumb question I guess :l
[22:21:23] <flyback> dammit I can't find it
[22:21:39] <flyback> there's this company that refurbs abandoned hydroelectric plants at paper mills etc
[22:21:44] <flyback> and they sell the power or the plant
[22:21:54] <flyback> they also salvage units from places that won't be restored
[22:22:08] <flyback> reason I mention it here is they got this special lathe to refurb
[22:22:17] <flyback> it's like the size of a 2 story house
[22:22:25] <flyback> I can't find the link with the pics
[22:22:26] <flyback> dammit
[22:22:37] * flyback blames zeeshan|2
[22:24:50] <flyback> sorry it was a boring mill
[22:24:51] <flyback> https://picasaweb.google.com/105306284585352493396/NilesBoringMillRebuild?authkey=Gv1sRgCJzpsZ_soJGCIw&gsessionid=wREngJDTR2_3w9meiFrEwg
[22:26:06] <flyback> bathroom bbl
[22:28:35] <bobo_> zeeshan|2: for the argon question. I wonder if you could rig/lash up a spectrum comparator . just need to see if the two are the same or slight different
[22:29:18] <jdh> or jsut run it through the mass spec
[22:32:34] <bobo_> jdh I was thinking of a black band absorbtion thing-e . could be I am not thinking though
[22:33:03] <jdh> it doesn't take much o2 for blue
[22:48:27] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, i started looking at the machining part of catia a bit this evening
[22:51:03] <flyback> night all