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[02:25:56] <Deejay> moin
[06:45:51] <mase-tech> Hi peps
[06:45:53] <mase-tech> :)
[06:50:08] <malcom2073> Hi
[07:16:49] <archivist> how does one quote
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/governor/Governor.jpg
[07:17:38] <archivist> cropped drawings no counts to the nearest +- a mile
[07:20:15] <malcom2073> archivist: Quote them 50 indeterminant monetary values
[07:23:40] <_methods> wow that's even worse than a napkin drawing
[07:26:40] <archivist> I do seem to get the silly requests and no real work
[07:27:29] <_methods> those are quite complicated parts to get an insane request like that
[07:27:39] <_methods> did they actually expect you to quote based on those pics?
[07:28:13] <archivist> well didnt actually ask a proce but did ask can you make
[07:28:50] <_methods> busy little parts
[07:30:16] <archivist> jigs and fixtures is the key :)
http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=7360&subject=24147
[07:31:08] <_methods> and a good lunch too apparently hehe
[07:31:51] <archivist> that is ex boss having his chips
[07:32:30] <_methods> what is that some sort of feed auger?
[07:32:57] <archivist> it is a worm from a clock escapement
[07:33:07] <_methods> ahh
[07:33:38] <archivist> more context
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=worm+merlin
[07:34:33] <_methods> that is quite the setup
[07:34:35] <archivist> missing is the practice parts made to get the process working
[07:34:49] <_methods> i'll bet
[07:35:20] <archivist> actually was only one shaft with two attempts before the real one
[07:37:09] <_methods> the intricacy of the gearing that goes into these clocks and watches is amazing
[07:38:09] <_methods> archivist: have you ever attended any formal training for watch making?
[07:38:27] <_methods> watch/clock
[07:47:57] <archivist> training... not a lot, mostly watching others and trying it out, did take the first year exam for a giggle
[07:48:43] <archivist> had to make and blue a part
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=exam
[07:54:36] <_methods> usually the best way to learn
[07:56:32] <archivist> ex boss was trained, he said I was not ready to take a watch apart, he came and watched me trying, hrmpf wandered off :)
[07:57:51] <archivist> the practice part for the merlin worm
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2016/2016_05_01_merlin_worm_jig_practice/IMG_2036.JPG
[07:57:59] <_methods> hahah
[08:11:25] <SpeedEvil> archivist: how is that cut? Very light cuts between chuck and live centre in a collet or something?
[08:11:35] <SpeedEvil> Held just outside the screw section?
[08:16:54] <_methods> looks like he has it chucked in the indexer and a support up top
[08:17:44] <_methods> oh nm that was for cutting the brass flat flap thing
[08:17:57] <_methods> http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=7362&subject=24149
[08:25:06] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwHqET2BACg
[08:25:25] <archivist> the brass was a support
[08:25:35] <malcom2073> Nice skunkworks_, that yours?
[08:27:12] <skunkworks_> yes
[08:27:38] <malcom2073> Nice, we have one of those at work
[08:27:48] <archivist> SpeedEvil, the rotary table is holding it and rotating it plus the bar is holding the back support above the bar (back of the cut
[08:29:15] <malcom2073> Keeping an eye on a local MC-500 that is up for auction, with no bids so far
[08:29:25] <malcom2073> Nobody out here in the boonies wants to move it heh
[08:29:42] <archivist> cart away as a kit :)
[08:30:20] <malcom2073> Most places won't let you touch it unless you're insured
[08:34:33] * Polymorphism needs a cnc machine
[08:35:18] <Polymorphism> I've narrowed down my software choices to: CAD: Fusion360, DS Mechanical, FreeCad (maybe onshape)
[08:35:21] <malcom2073> You've had plenty of opportunity to buy oen :-P
[08:35:31] <Polymorphism> CAM: Fusion360, cambam, meshcam
[08:35:41] <Polymorphism> also inkscape + dxf2gcode for 2d
[08:36:09] <Polymorphism> Inkscape + dxf2gcode + linuxcnc = start cutting with 0 software cost?
[08:37:32] <archivist> inside rear of skull cam to linuxcnc
[08:37:54] <malcom2073> That's my favorite type
[08:38:02] <malcom2073> I just installed the g2/g3 addition yesterday and tried it out
[08:38:05] <malcom2073> Pretty nifty
[08:39:22] <Polymorphism> cant find it
[08:39:26] <malcom2073> Heh
[08:39:32] <malcom2073> If you can't find your brain, you got bigger issues :-P
[08:40:55] <archivist> I am not sure any of these commercial cam progs can do
http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=7362&subject=24149
[08:41:22] <_methods> they can you just have to know what you're doing
[08:41:30] <archivist> it is only a few lines of gcode
[08:41:33] <_methods> and configure axes correctly in machine definitions
[08:41:56] <archivist> and pay through the nose for the cam
[08:42:00] <_methods> yeah
[08:42:03] <_methods> cam is not cheap
[08:42:16] <Polymorphism> isnt it free in Fusion360
[08:42:27] <Polymorphism> cam features
[08:42:34] <Polymorphism> this might be my best option but I dont need 3d
[08:42:36] <Polymorphism> yet
[08:42:40] <archivist> it wont do that multi axis stuff in my pic
[08:42:47] <Polymorphism> that does look complicated
[08:43:08] <Polymorphism> all I want to do for now is route 2d panels for my enclosures
[08:43:08] <archivist> it is a simple trianglular move
[08:44:02] <Polymorphism> when I try to type into google "cnc enclosure design"
[08:44:12] <Polymorphism> I get results of people building enclosures for their cnc and its electronics
[08:44:19] <Polymorphism> not electronic project enclosures made with cnc
[08:44:25] <Polymorphism> I'm trying to determine the best way to fab these
[08:44:31] <Polymorphism> cost effective + clean
[08:44:38] <archivist> you just want cnc engraving as a search term
[08:45:30] <archivist> think of what you are doing, dont let google guess what you are doing
[08:47:28] <mase-tech> Polymorphism: Thinking is guessing, u learn by doing and remake
[08:47:56] <mase-tech> I am trend to make the same fault like u
[08:48:07] <mase-tech> to much thinking
[08:56:31] <yasnak> whats thinking?
[08:57:40] <archivist> thinking is for gcode and finger driving when making something
[08:57:55] <yasnak> gcode?
[08:58:09] <yasnak> im kidding
[08:58:26] <archivist> must be another lazy cam driver :)
[08:58:32] <yasnak> ha
[08:58:39] <yasnak> cam only goes so far kids ;)
[09:13:19] <Tom_itx> morning
[09:14:09] * Tom_itx sees Polymorphism still hasn't made a decision
[09:14:40] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: We threw a monkey wrench in: Mentioned CAD/CAM
[09:14:47] <malcom2073> kinda halted the hardware thought process
[09:14:49] <Tom_itx> oh my god...
[09:14:56] <Tom_itx> kiss
[09:15:21] <Tom_itx> keep it...
[09:16:32] <Tom_itx> yasnak cam can go as far as the mind behind it
[09:16:59] <yasnak> uh, thanks for that
[09:17:09] <Tom_itx> you're very welcome
[09:26:26] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF3K-98kQ4Q
[09:26:28] <Polymorphism> maybe this is what I need
[09:26:59] <Tom_itx> wow, catia defines at least 19 different types of tool change based on the tool type used
[09:28:36] <Polymorphism> https://www.google.com/search?q=40W+Chinese+Laser+Cutter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 crazy cheap
[09:28:49] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Precise-40W-CO2-USB-Laser-Engraving-Cutting-Machine-Engraver-Wood-Cutter-/200902245694
[09:28:50] <Polymorphism> proper link
[09:29:34] <Polymorphism> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3nkAAOSw-W5U0J03/s-l1600.jpg
[09:29:34] <Polymorphism> lol
[09:29:39] <Polymorphism> they didnt even bother to apply the labels straight
[09:29:43] <Roguish> hey, how much wattage do u think that laser cuttting al is in the utube just mentioned?
[09:29:57] <Polymorphism> a lot more than 40w probably
[09:30:05] <Polymorphism> I was just linking this as it was cheap + interesting
[09:30:11] <Polymorphism> prob just for wood + acrylic
[09:31:25] <Jymmm> "1 x USB Key" <---- FUCK THAT!
[09:33:13] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhhOHUe_b6o&t=28m0s
[09:33:27] <Polymorphism> not the machine for my uses, but I will probavbly get one down the line just to have
[09:40:01] <Polymorphism> I like the idea of 3d printer
[09:40:06] <Polymorphism> but plastic isnt ideal
[09:40:10] <Polymorphism> and especially with that ugly finish
[09:40:21] <Polymorphism> I do need a cnc, this much I am sure of
[09:46:31] <archivist> when I was a lad, drill, file and letraset was all you needed
[09:48:12] <Polymorphism> archivist,
http://cdn.instructables.com/F10/MR6U/GHZ78JU5/F10MR6UGHZ78JU5.MEDIUM.jpg
[09:48:16] <Polymorphism> this is the result I get with those =\
[09:50:39] <archivist> I was a bit surprised my first case for a group amplifier, later turned up second hand in a high st organ shop window still looking newish
[09:51:20] <Polymorphism> =D someone took care of it
[09:52:57] <archivist> we just bought in a case, I drilled and fitted stuff to the front panel, chucked a ready made amp board in, wired up a simple power supply
[10:06:24] <Duc> Polymorphism: May have a router table that you could buy that would be better than the chinese ones
[10:14:00] <Polymorphism> Duc, I'm interested
[10:14:29] <Polymorphism> I gtg for a bit, I'll be back in an hour or PM me and I'll see it later
[10:14:52] <Duc> ok I will take some pictures then send you a message
[10:14:59] <Polymorphism> ty
[10:22:03] <enleth> disassembled most of this antique planetarium today for cleaning and it turned out to be in a surprisingly good condition
[10:23:13] <enleth> a 38:1 brass worm gear engaged by a steel worm running at 3k rpm looked new
[10:23:29] <Polymorphism> could I make one of those with my cnc?
[10:23:35] <Polymorphism> that sounds legendary
[10:23:43] <Polymorphism> will you be documenting the restoration
[10:23:56] <enleth> and I'm probably the first person to look at it in 25 years
[10:24:28] <Polymorphism> its incredible
[10:24:30] <Polymorphism> show the pics
[10:24:35] <Polymorphism> if you can
[10:24:49] <Polymorphism> I've always wanted oen of those
[10:24:50] <Polymorphism> for my desk
[10:25:18] <enleth> this one is a tad bigger than your desk
[10:25:27] <Polymorphism> I could put it somewhere in the room, that would be ok
[10:25:56] <enleth> if you have a dome 8m in diameter as a ceiling, maybe
[10:27:18] <Polymorphism> (⊙.⊙)
[10:27:25] <Polymorphism> I need something smaller than that
[10:28:42] <enleth> this is a projectipn planetarium
[10:28:55] <enleth> *projection
[10:31:13] <enleth> anyway, the gearing is fine but bearings are a little... crunchy
[10:31:38] <enleth> all unshielded
[10:32:18] <enleth> one doesn't even have an inner race, the balls ride over the motor shaft directly
[10:35:34] <Polymorphism> ohhhhh
[10:35:48] <Polymorphism> time for new bearings
[10:39:01] <Polymorphism> I just changed my ujoint, the housing cap had a hole blown through it, all the rollers were missing, and what remained of the assembly was as dry as the atacama
[10:40:25] <Polymorphism> explained the driveshaft knocking
[10:49:37] <Polymorphism> rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at receiver.c(393) [receiver=3.1.2] No space left on device (28)
[10:49:39] <Polymorphism> =S
[10:51:55] <tiwake> heh
[10:52:05] <tiwake> get sealed bearings
[10:52:58] <tiwake> yesterday replaced the rear breaks on my car
[10:52:59] <enleth> yeah, but replacing the motor bearings is not going to be trivial, some serious low profile bearings needed there to replace the ones that ride on the motor shaft directly
[10:53:21] <tiwake> brakes*
[10:57:03] <Polymorphism> last 3 brakes I've done were a disaster
[10:57:14] <Polymorphism> actually 1 was great
[10:57:19] <tiwake> lol why?
[10:57:21] <Polymorphism> 1 rear didnt work, 2nd ebrake didnt work
[10:57:32] <Polymorphism> 3rd FL caliper bolts both missing somehow
[10:57:38] <Polymorphism> easy enough fix
[10:57:43] <Polymorphism> third time was the trick
[10:58:16] <tiwake> how did it not work? lol... brakes are one of the easier things to replace
[10:58:35] <tiwake> unless its brake drums
[10:59:34] <Polymorphism> rear brake drums
[10:59:45] <Polymorphism> they just didnt have any bite, the adjuster mechanism was wrong
[10:59:53] <tiwake> yeah screw brake drums
[11:00:20] <Polymorphism> got it to work by replacing every single part xD
[11:00:30] <Polymorphism> the drums the pads all hardware, etc
[11:00:33] <tiwake> on my other car I replaced the brake drums... had to beat on the adjuster thing to get it to actually move
[11:00:43] <Polymorphism> theyre a pita
[11:00:56] <tiwake> pinchy PITA
[11:00:57] <Polymorphism> I may convert to disc if that can be done
[11:01:10] <tiwake> what car?
[11:01:19] <Polymorphism> wrangler
[11:01:34] <tiwake> year?
[11:01:41] <Polymorphism> 99
[11:02:33] <tiwake> http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/best-rear-drum-disc-brake-conversion-tj-658156/
[11:04:14] <tiwake> post number 8 seems the most useful
[11:04:41] <Polymorphism> http://stu-offroad.com/suspension/d44brake/bc-1.htm
[11:05:27] <tiwake> there you go
[11:05:38] <Polymorphism> looks like its doable, maybe next time they need to be changed
[11:05:44] <Polymorphism> ...that could be a while
[11:06:16] <tiwake> my 1998 mustang came with disk brakes in the rear :P
[11:06:43] <Polymorphism> =D
[11:31:54] <Polymorphism> http://www.visionengravers.com/products/cnc-routers/1624R-cnc-router-engraver-machine.php
[11:31:56] <Polymorphism> what about this machine>?
[11:33:42] <tiwake> http://imgur.com/hHFz9Eh
[11:35:13] <Polymorphism> why does he skip 2
[11:37:39] <Polymorphism> this propduct actually looks nice
[11:38:41] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn44kD2fezo
[11:39:26] <Polymorphism> made in usa
[11:39:27] <Polymorphism> turn key
[11:40:33] <Polymorphism> malcom2073, what do yhou think
[11:40:50] <Polymorphism> also Loetmichel2 , CaptHindsight , and archivist , maybe even _methods
[11:40:59] <Polymorphism> + Duc
[11:42:17] <jdh> buy it
[11:42:23] <Duc> just back from home deopot
[11:42:27] <Duc> uploading pictures now
[11:43:12] <Polymorphism> jdh, you think its better than 6040 or raptor?
[11:43:27] <Polymorphism> I'm trying to find out price
[11:43:35] <Polymorphism> they make you email which seems odd
[11:43:44] <Polymorphism> Duc, nice
[11:44:12] <awallin_> if you have to ask you can't afford it? ;)
[11:44:37] <jdh> I guess... $6500
[11:45:07] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ7CAbvaMZg
[11:45:10] <Polymorphism> no its
[11:45:12] <Polymorphism> 3000 or less
[11:45:14] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/sale/20160501_100853_zpsuzruoxxj.jpg
[11:45:16] <Polymorphism> 2550 is 3000
[11:45:20] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/sale/20160501_100845_zpsjislybw3.jpg
[11:45:21] <Polymorphism> they have a smaller one though that would work for me
[11:45:26] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/sale/20160501_100814_zpsnltq7a8g.jpg
[11:45:35] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/PJWmNhD.png
[11:46:33] <Duc> Here is a very similar one for sale on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Techno-CNC-Router-System-Model-LC-3024-Table-29-X-45-Low-Hours-/252362777110?hash=item3ac1fe6216:g:k-gAAOSwkEVXGC6k
[11:47:42] * Polymorphism takes a look
[11:48:54] * Polymorphism looks for info abou tit
[11:49:03] <awallin_> no atc for that price?
[11:49:17] <Duc> nope but thats not my machine
[11:49:42] <Duc> The machine has THK precision rails, HSD 1KW spindle, DC servos with ball screws
[11:49:51] <Duc> and a none chinese VFD
[11:51:42] <Duc> 2.2kw Motortronics CSD AC VFD
[11:51:55] <Duc> dam thing weights about 800 lbs
[11:53:42] <Polymorphism> heavy
[11:53:49] <Polymorphism> what is your reason for selling, location, and asking price?
[11:53:55] <Polymorphism> and does the machine run perfectly?
[11:55:50] <Polymorphism> http://www.visionengravers.com/products/cnc-routers/1624R-cnc-router-engraver-machine.php
[11:55:55] <Polymorphism> says it cuts 1/4" alu single pass
[11:55:55] <Duc> Located in AL, US I need to figure out a price and how much the normal controller board cost from the company so I can test the unit
[11:56:19] <Polymorphism> ok
[11:56:53] <zeeshan|2> man lol
[11:56:56] <zeeshan|2> i love mastercam
[11:57:18] <zeeshan|2> i was playing around with multi-machining of a part
[11:57:23] <Duc> The computer waas missing when I got the unit but monday I will be calling about the PCI card. If its to high I debating on parting out or fixing then selling table
[11:57:35] <zeeshan|2> i have it setup machine a part are 3 different mills, 2 lathes
[11:57:42] <zeeshan|2> and it simulates correct!
[11:59:04] <Duc> zeeshan|2: I need to learn mastercam more but I wish HSMworks was better and cheaper
[11:59:29] <zeeshan|2> Duc: i venture here and there to new things
[11:59:36] <zeeshan|2> but i really look at market share first
[11:59:42] <zeeshan|2> at least learn the basics..
[11:59:55] <zeeshan|2> you're more valuable in the market that way
[12:00:00] <Duc> Polymorphism: The price will probably be around 4k
[12:00:06] <zeeshan|2> its like windows vs linux
[12:00:23] <zeeshan|2> if you're a master linux guru, but can't use windows at all
[12:00:30] <Polymorphism> Duc, is that shipped
[12:00:40] <zeeshan|2> a lot of normal eng jobs you'd be not as valuable
[12:00:53] <zeeshan|2> but if you windows, you'd get by. if yiou know both, you're the best!
[12:00:54] <Duc> Polymorphism: Not sure prefer not to ship. Where are you located at
[12:01:04] <zeeshan|2> i need to learn hsmworks :P
[12:01:49] <Duc> zeeshan|2: I dabble in the machining so I know how to design fixtures cheaper. Mastercam can be over the top for options and a pain to update to the models
[12:01:49] <Polymorphism> Duc, MA
[12:02:07] <zeeshan|2> dont use mastercam by ituself
[12:02:12] <zeeshan|2> its pretty horrendous by itself
[12:02:21] <zeeshan|2> need it integrated to solidworks
[12:02:32] <zeeshan|2> so it automatically updates tool paths w/ moderate design changes
[12:02:45] <Duc> Polymorphism: if I do sell it then buyer would be responsable for setting up shipping
[12:03:14] <Duc> zeeshan|2: Ive never got the plugin working on the home setup and work we dont have it
[12:03:27] <zeeshan|2> not a plugin
[12:03:38] <zeeshan|2> this is fully integrated into solidworks like hsmworks is
[12:04:06] <Duc> which version
[12:04:16] <zeeshan|2> i think starting x6
[12:04:29] <zeeshan|2> you want to at least start with x8
[12:05:34] <Duc> I know in the past the solidworks version was missing some of the control but that must have changed now
[12:17:31] <Polymorphism> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/LatheStuff/CNCConversion/CNCPanels/SeickelMillPanel.jpg
[12:17:36] <Polymorphism> how can I make nice nclosures like these
[12:17:42] <Polymorphism> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/gecko-drives/108326-cnc-forum.html
[12:18:23] <Polymorphism> also,
http://www.probotix.com/UNITY-CNC-CONTROLLER
[12:18:26] <Polymorphism> I was thinking I could buy that
[12:18:29] <Polymorphism> and use it with the raptor cnc
[12:18:35] <Polymorphism> if I decided to get raptor
[12:19:01] <Polymorphism> might be less than the omio X6-2200l
[12:19:05] <Polymorphism> slightly smaller work area
[12:19:56] <Polymorphism> http://www.probotix.com/wiki/index.php/Unity_Controller
[12:22:29] <Polymorphism> http://www.probotix.com/V90-MK2 and this is no good?
[12:23:13] <Polymorphism> "The V90 Mk2 is our new desktop sized CNC router. Gone are the days of assembling a machine from a box of parts. The new V90 Mk2 is fully assembled, calibrated, and tested. Extremely rigid with fully supported rails and all aluminum & steel construction, this machine makes light work of woods, plastics, and composites; as well as aluminum and brass. The open frame design allows you to work on taller parts. Complete with cable chain w
[12:23:13] <Polymorphism> ire management, limit/home switches, front mounted emergency stop switch, and a complete LinuxCNC control PC: no other machine in this size is as complete or ready-to-run. Simply pull it out of the box, make a handful of electrical connections, mount your router, and GO. "
[12:24:49] <Polymorphism> $3300 total cost it looks like, + ship maybe
[12:24:55] <Polymorphism> thast comes with the controller box and a linux pc
[12:25:05] <Polymorphism> and atc
[12:25:14] <Polymorphism> not atc
[12:25:16] <Polymorphism> atl
[12:25:19] <Polymorphism> atls
[12:25:22] <Polymorphism> automatic tool length sensor
[12:26:14] <Polymorphism> 300 shipping, steep
[12:26:22] <Polymorphism> 3300 total, nice estimate xD
[12:28:45] <Polymorphism> So that for $3300, or raptor machine with that controller, ~2600 for raptor machine with probotix controller, $2500 for omio x6-2200l, $1400 for ebay 6040, unknown price yet on visionengraver 1624r which looks promising.
[12:28:50] <Polymorphism> these are my final choices
[12:29:01] <Polymorphism> now, a decision must be made
[12:30:45] <Polymorphism> and maybe even shapeoko3 if it could work for me. just $1000
[12:55:33] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8cGgBxYZ3o
[12:56:37] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAra5f1Xj9o&t=4m0s
[13:00:32] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdSGT3PmZRE
[13:00:51] <Polymorphism> why the edges look a bit rough
[13:07:49] <unfyhome> installed thrust bearings ... ran another cut... it... hmmm
[13:07:53] <unfyhome> better, maybe. kinda.
[13:07:55] <unfyhome> http://imgur.com/4m6RX2c
[13:08:13] <unfyhome> the X axis has some wobble i can't quite explain atm heh
[13:08:36] <unfyhome> keeping the leadscrew captive has improved things, though
[13:09:18] <renesis> its a gantry router, it would be more confusing if it didnt have wobbler
[13:09:23] <renesis> *wobble
[13:09:49] <unfyhome> lol, not a gantry. i'm wondering if it's just missing steps or something atm
[13:09:56] <renesis> you could try coolant, seperate rough and finish passes, less depth of cut
[13:10:15] <renesis> no thats a gantry router
[13:10:16] <CaptHindsight> unfyhome: post pics of its construction details and we can see if there's anything left to do to improve it
[13:10:57] <renesis> wait you are the imgur
[13:11:21] <unfyhome> ren: i was just gonna lol to myself about 'coolant' :D
[13:11:26] <renesis> polymorphism: i was answering you, about gantry router, and how to get less rough edges
[13:12:49] <unfyhome> cap: well, on the second cut, there should be visible an aborted cut. the X axis stalled during positioning with spindle up etc.... sooo it's prolly all just an alignment problem
[13:13:12] <unfyhome> causing the itty bitty motor to miss steps etc
[13:13:26] <Polymorphism> renesis, ty
[13:13:55] <renesis> are you using high speed steel or carbide tooling?
[13:14:31] <renesis> if you are using HSS, definitely use coolant or itll wear, and thats when youll see more cutter deflection, and the funny shapes in the corners
[13:14:57] <renesis> carbide, this isnt so much an issue if you keep speeds and feeds sane, and then depth of cut low
[13:15:28] <renesis> like, if you keep carbide cool and dont ask it to cut too much, shit will almost last forever through aluminum
[13:16:26] <renesis> and if you do push too chard, the tips of the flutes tend to chip off, leaving a jagged edge to cut with, finish will look shit but it will usually still cut
[13:40:24] <unfyhome> i'll either work on alignment later, or try out an idea rolling around in head
[13:42:04] <unfyhome> buuutttt... looking at the far right C, it's improved for sure
[13:43:06] <unfyhome> i'm tempted to just use jogging to try cutting some straight lines and see how that works out
[13:51:06] <unfyhome> in fact, i go do that in a min
[14:15:04] <unfyhome> http://imgur.com/YMjcJB1 jogging
[14:15:39] <unfyhome> plunge in bottom left, jog right in 0.1in increments, then proceed counter clockwise. far right is 'continuous' jog, doing some zig zag
[14:16:24] <unfyhome> a,b,c seem okay. d,e,f aren't so great
[14:16:51] <unfyhome> an alignment tweak is called for, it seems
[14:22:20] <CaptHindsight> unfyhome: you should be able to grab each axis and pull/push see the play
[14:23:26] <CaptHindsight> put a dial indicator on it
[14:24:19] <CaptHindsight> I had some from China that easily had 1-2mm of lash
[14:25:45] <unfyhome> this thing is far from 'dial indicator' worthy
[14:26:06] <unfyhome> and.... just as a reminder: it's out of wood and hardware store for as much as i can heh
[14:26:35] <unfyhome> but, adding the thrust bearings to keep the leadscrews captain along their length has vastly improved things for sure
[14:27:03] <unfyhome> pushing/pulling on the axis no longer causes large amounts of movment, etc
[14:27:58] <unfyhome> backlash is an interesting thought. it was something i knew i was gonna have to address eventually but was kinda putting it off until i knew it was the primary source of problems
[14:28:04] <unfyhome> i wonder if i'm there already
[14:28:39] <unfyhome> i will say, i know that due to how the Z axis is mounted, that i'm not huge confident in how rigid it is. but... i don't see it producing this kind of problem
[14:30:18] <Duc> how fast are you moving during the cuts?
[14:30:29] <unfyhome> slow.
[14:30:59] <unfyhome> as in..... 6in / min kind of slow heh
[14:32:12] <Duc> what is the movement guided by? Linear rail or rods
[14:32:27] <unfyhome> neither :P
[14:33:25] <Duc> so...
[14:33:53] <unfyhome> under mount drawer slides, not the full extension type that have double raceways etc... just single ones
[14:34:24] <Duc> so not rigid at all
[14:36:08] <unfyhome> "rigid", depending on relative to what. as far as inherent play ? "none"
[14:38:34] <Duc> drawer slides have alot of slope in them. can you grab the top of your gantry and move it back and forth
[14:38:58] <unfyhome> not a gantry. annnnnddddd it's not the full extension type of slides
[14:39:48] <unfyhome> http://www.alikhaligh.com/photo/pl3403827-floor_mount_under_mount_tv_metal_drawer_slides_ball_bearing_replacement_parts.jpg something closer to these, but still just hardware store
[14:39:50] <Duc> do you have a picture
[14:40:12] <unfyhome> i did. dunno where it went and don't wanna run out to garage atm heh
[14:40:26] <unfyhome> uhhhhh there's something kinda like it out there (served as inspiration)... one sec...
[14:41:51] <unfyhome> something akin to
http://cdn.instructables.com/FIY/545C/GUS75B8D/FIY545CGUS75B8D.MEDIUM.jpg
[14:42:24] <unfyhome> but not those style of drawer slides
[14:42:33] <unfyhome> and not that kind of spindle etc
[14:42:56] <Duc> either way the slides will have 10-20 thousands or more of play
[14:44:00] <Duc> Something like these would help a shit load
[14:44:01] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HSR15A2UU-460mm-Used-THK-Linear-Bearing-2Rail-4Block-LM-Guide-NSK-CNC-Route-/201521567562?hash=item2eeb9f174a:g:yjYAAOSwbdpWVsGa
[14:45:36] <unfyhome> there's a lot that would 'help a shit load'. and what you pasted is *so* far beyond the scope of this build ;)
[14:46:43] <unfyhome> even the supported rails off ebay (such as sbr12/16/20/25/50) stuff would be vastly superiour
[14:47:05] <Duc> yeaand can be had for cheap
[14:49:53] <unfyhome> comparing the $150 linear rails to what I currently have. $150 is more than.... material to make CNC frame, spindle, drawer slides, lead screws, motor mounts, motor couplers, motors, the PC & monitor running linuxcnc. might not cover the breakoutboard and motor drivers :D
[14:51:05] <unfyhome> alignment, and starting to address backlash are prolly next on my list of to do. beyond that i'm at the limitations of the machine methinks.
[14:53:49] <unfyhome> the fact that the x axis is worse off (kinda)... really does point to alignment
[14:55:04] <unfyhome> looking forward to better build later.
[15:00:19] <Duc> I would say not to worry about the jitter and just learn the programming side of this and start planning a better machine
[15:05:19] <unfyhome> coder by day, i'm putting off the cad/cam/gcode stuff as much as i can lol
[15:05:46] <unfyhome> after this one last thing, i'll be happy with this machine 'as is' and move on yeah
[15:06:12] <unfyhome> the fact that 'a bit of it' got worse from first run to this run - i wanna get that fixed
[15:09:10] <Roguish> Hey JT-Shop......
[15:09:32] <Roguish> have u installed a joint-axis system to mess around with?
[15:18:55] <JT-Shop> Roguish: yes
[15:19:15] <Roguish> what distro have u stgarted with?
[15:19:27] <Roguish> any install docs?
[15:19:30] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxcnc/ja/
[15:19:47] <JT-Shop> LinuxMint 17.3 Mate
[15:20:20] <Roguish> thanks. gonna try a simple sim in a VM
[15:21:53] <Roguish> JT-Shop. is that a 32 or a 64 bit? ( i suspect a 32...)
[15:22:27] <Roguish> Mate, Cinnamon? Xfce???
[15:23:28] <JT-Shop> 32
[15:23:51] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> LinuxMint 17.3 Mate
[15:24:07] <Roguish> ok getting Xfce 32 via torrent
[15:24:10] <JT-Shop> that's what the debs are build for
[15:24:25] <Roguish> Mate? ok.
[15:24:38] * JT-Shop goes to see if any digging can happen today or not
[16:26:08] <JT-Shop> yes use Mate, but I don't think LinuxCNC cares what desktop your using
[16:27:54] <Deejay> gn8
[16:29:07] <JT-Shop> I'm just making a mud hole so I quit digging
[17:00:23] <hatch789> guys when I'm trying to start linuxcnc up the file /usr/lib/linuxcnc/modules/probe_parport.so seems to be missing. Is this removed from 2.7.4 linuxcnc?
[17:00:57] <JT-Shop> did you upgrade?
[17:01:02] <cradek> when moving to a new version, always check the updating instructions in the docs
[17:01:30] <hatch789> I did a fresh install with debian
[17:01:44] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html
[17:01:49] <hatch789> and then ran the lcncinstall.iso file
[17:02:08] <cradek> but you have copied in an old machine configuration?
[17:02:15] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, no diggin today ehh?
[17:02:17] <cradek> if so, that's what you need to update
[17:03:46] <JT-Shop> tried but too muddy
[17:04:19] <hatch789> ok I'll check on the parprobe module in those instructions
[17:04:54] <JT-Shop> is it a new configuration or did you copy the configuration from an older install?
[17:07:46] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/big-dig-02.jpg
[17:07:52] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/big-dig-03.jpg
[17:07:56] <JT-Shop> that's today
[17:08:59] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/big-dig-04.jpg
[17:10:39] <hatch789> ok fixed my errors. Had to remove (comment out) the parport and watchdog stuff
[17:10:44] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81uwBAuR96I
[17:10:52] <hatch789> so anyone here able to possibly help me troubleshoot my resolvers?
[17:10:56] <skunkworks_> now figuring out the tool change. should be easy
[17:11:10] <hatch789> I know that andy is good with them but I don't see him online
[17:15:08] <skunkworks_> at the very end of the video - the estop from the panel was just laying on the table and it fell off and shut the machine down.
[17:15:16] <hatch789> I'm getting odd drift and inaccurate reading on my resolvers ...for instance if I zero things and then spin .200 on either x or y axis, my resolvers don't register that properly
[17:15:43] <hatch789> they kind of register if I go slowly but if I spin rapidly they loose track of where they are and sort of drift back to zero on LinuxCNC readout
[17:16:26] <skunkworks_> did they ever work?
[17:17:17] <hatch789> yes
[17:17:27] <skunkworks_> what changed?
[17:18:31] <hatch789> I did 2 changes so smack me. but now I'm stuck trying figure out which is the culprit. 1. I started messing with power supply ... began looking at trying to run from USB power. that was insufficient so I went back to a dedicated PC power supply
[17:18:40] <hatch789> if anything all that did was under-power the board
[17:19:02] <hatch789> 2. I have upgraded from the old 2.5?? version of linuxcnc to a new computer and new build of 2.7
[17:19:46] <hatch789> but saved all my config files and everything so linuxcnc appears to be working fine accept for this odd behavior in my resolvers
[17:20:13] <hatch789> I'm trying to figure out if I somehow damaged my 7i49 resolver board
[17:20:34] <hatch789> I have a 7i43 board with 2 daughter boards (7i49 and 7i42TA)
[17:21:49] <hatch789> are you familiar with resolvers skunkworks?
[17:26:22] <skunkworks_> I am - but have not hooked any up to mesa hardware yet
[17:27:49] <skunkworks_> PCW, or pcw_home would be the one to ask.
[17:27:57] <hatch789> did you see AndyPugh on today?
[17:32:26] <skunkworks_> my first thought was to put it back to when it was working.. ;)
[17:33:27] <Tom_itx> seems reasonable
[17:35:37] <hatch789> to do that I'd have to go back to an old install of LinuxCNC 2.5 and a whole new build
[17:35:48] <hatch789> I have since gotten rid of that computer completely
[17:36:34] <hatch789> how about this. What steps does someone do when setting up resolvers the first time? I had help CNCBasher mostly did it for me
[17:37:12] <hatch789> but I'm trying to learn how to do this on my own now and not rely on others to do it. I'm trying to gain the knowledge myself so I can improve and troubleshoot my system myself
[17:37:33] <hatch789> is there a primer or tutorial on setting up resolvers with mesa hardware?
[17:48:16] * JT-Shop can't understand why you need a gantry comp in ja13, the gantry just homes correctly
[18:12:12] <JT-Shop> none that I know of
[18:24:46] <skunkworks_> I think part of the problem is if the home position isn't where the switches are
[18:25:20] <skunkworks_> so if one axis homes quicker - then tries to take off to the home location before the other axis is homed
[18:31:06] <JT-Shop> if the home location is close to the switch it seems to just work to me
[18:31:30] <JT-Shop> but I can see a problem if the home position is far from the home switch
[18:32:26] <JT-Shop> it also seems to me that when more than one joint is on an axis that homing should be taken care of in the homing routine
[18:33:08] <JT-Shop> something like when the first joint reaches the home switch it stops and waits for the rest of the joint to reach that point
[18:34:12] <skunkworks_> right - I think that is what cradek was working on
[18:34:21] <JT-Shop> cool
[18:35:12] <JT-Shop> I'll keep blundering on with the testing lol
[18:35:13] <Tom_itx> seems both switches would have to be awfully closely aligned
[18:35:39] <JT-Shop> the home offset should take care of misaligned switches
[18:36:15] <JT-Shop> each joint has a separate home offset
[18:39:08] <JT-Shop> time to cobble up some chow the other half is hungry
[19:10:06] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Sure!
[19:10:24] <malcom2073> Though not sure it'll work, do commands work with no preceding G1?
[19:11:34] <pink_vampire> almost 2 million lines of code..
[19:11:40] <Tom_itx> depends on the control
[19:11:43] <Tom_itx> most will
[19:11:45] <pink_vampire> mach3
[19:11:51] <Tom_itx> G1 is modal
[19:12:07] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: Right, but that snippet had none at all in the beginning
[19:12:13] <malcom2073> so unless it's already in G1 mode, it wouldn't work yeah?
[19:12:22] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Never a good idea to run gcode in mach3
[19:12:22] <Tom_itx> then it won't work
[19:12:33] <Tom_itx> never a good idea to run mach3 period
[19:12:38] <malcom2073> Best off jogging with a close hand on the estop button
[19:13:07] <Tom_itx> there is no preamble code there either
[19:13:13] <Tom_itx> you should add some
[19:13:24] <malcom2073> Also no feed rate
[19:13:38] <pink_vampire> it's say that it will run for 28 hours!
[19:13:40] <Tom_itx> or spindle speed
[19:13:44] <pink_vampire> OMG
[19:13:48] <Tom_itx> all lies
[19:14:03] <malcom2073> Is that how long mach3 will lock up for before it crashes? :-P
[19:14:16] <Tom_itx> do you have 57" travel on your axis?
[19:14:42] <pink_vampire> what to do???
[19:14:45] <Tom_itx> see it doesn't specify inch or metric either
[19:14:50] <Tom_itx> you could fix it :D
[19:15:05] <Tom_itx> no z depth either
[19:15:34] <Tom_itx> where did you get the code?
[19:15:47] <pink_vampire> i did it.
[19:15:54] <Tom_itx> with what?
[19:16:13] <Tom_itx> is this the whole file?
[19:16:42] <pink_vampire> this is HSM
[19:17:40] <malcom2073> No, this is sparta
[20:02:07] <pcw_home> hatch789: should you read this later, there no resolver changes from 2.5 to 2.8 that would make a difference in
[20:02:09] <pcw_home> behavior except perhaps if you are using the simulated index (there was a bug with the simulated index that
[20:02:10] <pcw_home> AFAICR was fixed somewhere in the 2.5 to 2.6 release range)
[20:26:49] <zeeshan|2> sup tom
[20:28:51] <pink_vampire> I can't make efficient Gcode for a part :(
[20:29:12] <zeeshan|2> sux!
[20:31:28] <pink_vampire> do you want to see the part?
[20:31:49] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/xq7Otgm.png
[20:31:49] <zeeshan|2> sLoetmichel: ure
[20:31:50] <zeeshan|2> sure
[20:31:51] <zeeshan|2> i mean
[20:32:06] <zeeshan|2> whats hard about that?
[20:32:10] <zeeshan|2> that ure finding
[20:32:31] <pink_vampire> I want to cut it with 1/8" end mill
[20:33:03] <pink_vampire> and the best Gcode that HSM did was almost almost 2 million lines of code..
[20:33:19] <pink_vampire> zeeshan|2:
http://i.imgur.com/1H2zOSd.png
[20:34:37] <zeeshan|2> looks like numbers to me :P
[20:34:53] <zeeshan|2> are you trying to use dynamic milling
[20:34:54] <gregcnc> 1.8M lines of code
[20:34:56] <gregcnc> have fun
[20:35:10] <zeeshan|2> even with dynamic milling it cs
[20:35:18] <zeeshan|2> it should only be like 200000 lines
[20:35:26] <pink_vampire> I know..
[20:35:38] <zeeshan|2> jus run it
[20:35:42] <zeeshan|2> who cares how many lines it is
[20:35:44] <zeeshan|2> linuxcnc doesnt :P
[20:36:18] <pink_vampire> is has a problem with the gaps between the inserts
[20:36:44] <zeeshan|2> what i would do in mastercam for your parts
[20:36:45] <zeeshan|2> is
[20:36:58] <zeeshan|2> (assuming youve left 1/8 gap) between the parts
[20:37:08] <zeeshan|2> just program the 2 pairs and translate the tool path
[20:37:14] <zeeshan|2> using a subroutine
[20:38:13] <pink_vampire> i left 3.21
[20:38:21] <pink_vampire> the cutter is 3.175
[20:38:34] <zeeshan|2> i dont know those caveman units :P
[20:38:37] <zeeshan|2> jk
[20:38:39] <gregcnc> material?
[20:38:48] <pink_vampire> hot rolled steel
[20:39:11] <pink_vampire> end mill carbide 4F
[20:39:23] <gregcnc> doc
[20:39:30] <zeeshan|2> do you want me to code it for
[20:39:31] <zeeshan|2> u
[20:40:22] <gregcnc> are there any real concerns?
[20:42:23] <pink_vampire> I can't go more then 0.1mm in dept - and more then 1mm side load.
[20:42:39] <gregcnc> why
[20:43:16] <pink_vampire> defective Z axis rails, carbide end mills like to snap
[20:44:46] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/MH7oUMG.png
[20:44:55] <zeeshan|2> the new vape im modeling for this guy
[20:44:56] <gregcnc> That machine would have been pushed out the 2nd story window if it were mine by now
[20:44:59] <zeeshan|2> looks a hell of a lot better than the old one
[20:45:16] <zeeshan|2> lol gregcnc
[20:46:26] <gregcnc> I dealt with .5mm passes with 1/4" tools a while back. I sucked enough. Ain't nobody got time for that.
[20:46:35] <pink_vampire> I never smoke
[20:47:11] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:47:23] <zeeshan|2> im doing 1" passes with 1/4"
[20:47:36] <gregcnc> I can too now.
[20:47:37] <zeeshan|2> but at like 12% step over in steel
[20:49:41] <skunkworks_> zeeshan|2,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81uwBAuR96I
[20:52:42] <zeeshan|2> she's dancing smoothly
[20:52:49] <pink_vampire> he need to take a face mill and clean the table.
[20:53:56] <skunkworks_> doesn't everyone have an oscilloscope on their table?
[20:54:05] <XXCoder> heys
[20:54:09] <pink_vampire> on the machine table?
[20:54:37] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: more vape eh heh
[20:54:47] <zeeshan|2> yessir
[20:55:08] <zeeshan|2> i personally like the new one
[20:55:12] <XXCoder> I plan to run my machine soonish. not too sure if machine is too noisy for 6:30 pm
[20:55:13] <zeeshan|2> the old one i did not like
[20:55:22] <XXCoder> what time is quiet time usuaully?
[20:55:28] <zeeshan|2> 11 here
[20:56:02] <gregcnc> 10PM
[20:56:16] <XXCoder> not bad
[21:01:03] <pink_vampire> I need it!!
[21:01:04] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvMFH7wknw
[21:01:34] <XXCoder> "want" is better word ;)
[21:01:55] <XXCoder> awesome machine.
[21:02:32] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking about 5 axis the other day
[21:02:39] <zeeshan|2> palletizing would be hard i'd think
[21:02:43] <zeeshan|2> if you want to run multiple parts
[21:02:56] <zeeshan|2> cause youd need to align the center of the part to the center of rotation?
[21:02:56] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: 5 axis is doable when you ahve machine to build parts for it
[21:02:58] <jdh> one of our colocated plants has machines that mill jet turbines out of titanium
[21:03:29] <XXCoder> I wonder if camera are built int
[21:03:33] <XXCoder> that;'d be awesome.
[21:03:46] <XXCoder> I hate when part is rotated away and cant see if tool ius placed properly
[21:04:51] <XXCoder> LOL
[21:04:58] <XXCoder> thought part was bigger than that
[21:13:30] <gregcnc> zeeshan|2 you need a setup like this for those vapes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLAgOl3BKYM
[21:13:54] <zeeshan|2> haha
[21:14:01] <zeeshan|2> that prolly costs more than what ill get for them
[21:14:21] <zeeshan|2> i'm willing to spend upto 1400 bux on the fixture this time
[21:14:28] <zeeshan|2> i want to do 10 at a time
[21:14:51] <zeeshan|2> greg
[21:14:54] <zeeshan|2> that is a rotary indexer right?
[21:15:04] <zeeshan|2> so it only moves in increments of 90 degrees?
[21:15:06] <zeeshan|2> or something like that
[21:15:37] <gregcnc> Maybe
[21:16:17] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: wouldnt a custom fixture plate
[21:16:26] <zeeshan|2> with modular work holding work
[21:21:44] <gregcnc> Probably. you're held up by the spindle so the more parts you can get on the table the better
[21:21:57] <zeeshan|2> yes
[21:21:58] <gregcnc> and something else.
[21:22:07] <zeeshan|2> put on 10-12 on the table
[21:22:09] <zeeshan|2> walk away for 2hours
[21:22:14] <zeeshan|2> come back change
[21:22:22] <zeeshan|2> walk away, watch a movie :P
[21:35:03] <Valen> laser etched tool holders :-<
[21:35:13] <Valen> probably cost more than my mill
[21:36:00] <gregcnc> what kind of holders?
[21:36:40] <Valen> in the video pink_vampire posted
[21:37:24] <pink_vampire> Valen: ?
[21:37:58] <gregcnc> laser marking is cheap these days.
[21:38:05] <Valen> the tool holders they have in it look so darn fancy lol
[21:38:18] <gregcnc> those holders probbaly cost ~150USD each
[21:39:06] <zeeshan|2> hm
[21:39:07] <Valen> on the plus side, its probably accurate enough to machine itself some new ones
[21:39:39] <zeeshan|2> i need a .700" diameter key cutter
[21:39:47] <zeeshan|2> with a 1/4 or 3/8 shank
[21:39:50] <zeeshan|2> 1/4 would be best
[21:40:06] <zeeshan|2> http://bctoolandcutter.com/Site_images/KeyWayCutter.jpg
[21:40:07] <zeeshan|2> like that :p
[21:40:54] <gregcnc> .7 probably isn't std size
[21:41:00] <zeeshan|2> yea
[21:41:01] <zeeshan|2> =/
[21:41:07] <zeeshan|2> .625 w/ 1/4" shank works also
[21:41:30] <zeeshan|2> for some reason 1/2" shank is std
[21:41:53] <gregcnc> internal tool has them in that range, but it will be custom
[21:42:18] <zeeshan|2> what should i look under
[21:42:21] <zeeshan|2> specialty tools?
[21:42:31] <gregcnc> http://internaltool.com/products/mill/98/carbide-head-3-8-steel-shank-key-cutters
[21:42:50] <gregcnc> http://internaltool.com/products/mill/45/solid-carbide-key-cutters-1-4-shank
[21:43:34] <zeeshan|2> $$$$$$4
[21:43:41] <gregcnc> yeha
[21:44:03] <zeeshan|2> worse comes to worse ill get it from them
[21:44:10] <zeeshan|2> i think theres gotta be a better way to do this cut
[21:44:22] <zeeshan|2> right now its either this cutter or angle hole drill
[21:45:21] <gregcnc> time to go good night
[21:45:25] <zeeshan|2> gnite!
[22:30:48] <XXCoder> BAH!
[22:30:58] <XXCoder> first run ended up a failure
[22:31:08] <XXCoder> for some reason Z does not return to same place
[22:31:20] <XXCoder> it gets deeper after a while then again
[22:31:27] <XXCoder> which is odd
[22:32:51] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 i bet that one is easier to model
[22:33:43] <XXCoder> anyone know why z is lower suddenly?
[22:34:01] <Tom_itx> put a counterweight on it
[22:34:06] <Tom_itx> stepper?
[22:34:09] <Tom_itx> loosing steps
[22:34:09] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:34:53] <Tom_itx> makes sense because it can't pull itself back up so it gets lower and lower
[22:34:56] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: odd thing is that it does that per 3 or 4 rows
[22:35:08] <XXCoder> otherwise it looks level
[22:35:18] <XXCoder> the worked surface feels real smooth
[22:35:22] <XXCoder> and its ballend em
[22:35:35] <Tom_itx> mmm
[22:39:35] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/zY7nXzcUI9M
[22:40:01] <XXCoder> notice it does couple rows fine
[22:40:19] <XXCoder> after I stopped video, it decided to go few mm lower.,
[22:44:50] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: hows steppers sound if it has sound on lol
[22:45:00] <XXCoder> I dunno what camera defaults related to sound is
[22:54:27] <XXCoder> anyone else watched video? heh
[22:54:30] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: ?
[23:01:25] <XXCoder> guess not lol
[23:06:17] <XXCoder> ow
[23:06:22] <XXCoder> t6560 is very hot
[23:06:31] <XXCoder> probably why it was having Z error
[23:06:40] <XXCoder> X and Y seemed consieient
[23:14:22] <Tom_itx> check why Z is hot
[23:14:27] <Tom_itx> binding?
[23:14:45] <Tom_itx> too much mass to lift Z? aka add counterweight..
[23:15:38] <XXCoder> no motors is fine
[23:15:43] <XXCoder> its t6560 thats very hot
[23:15:55] <XXCoder> heat sink and both volt regulators is very hot
[23:16:42] <XXCoder> X is doing fine and it pushes much heavier weight than Z
[23:16:52] <XXCoder> though not up/down
[23:17:38] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: what makes it hard is that I cant hear it running, i dont know if its making bad noise or not
[23:17:47] <XXCoder> you watched video? how was noises>?
[23:18:50] <Tom_itx> didn't sound too bad from what i could hear
[23:19:24] <Tom_itx> put a dial indicator on Z and see what it's doing
[23:19:45] <XXCoder> I need to find a way to attach my el cheapo dial indicator
[23:20:05] <Tom_itx> magnetic base?
[23:20:27] <XXCoder> it has no connector
[23:20:41] <XXCoder> I bought it quite a while ago, before I understood some stuff I do now
[23:20:48] <XXCoder> my machine is mainly alum
[23:21:43] <XXCoder> it does have umm sleeve? that can be used to hold on
[23:21:56] <XXCoder> but I dont have anything to do that, and unsure where to buy
[23:23:23] <Tom_itx> time to sleep
[23:23:29] <XXCoder> night
[23:23:34] <XXCoder> and thanks for checking
[23:27:00] <XXCoder> http://www.homediystuff.com/fixing-a-chinese-made-cnc-stepper-motor-driver-board-tb6560-chips/ interesting
