#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-30

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[01:26:21] <MrSunshine> hmm need to find a cad drawing of a regenerative blower .. pref 3d cad file :P
[02:43:30] <XXCoder> lol http://hackaday.com/2013/01/11/printing-images-with-a-wood-burning-cnc-machine/
[03:02:19] <Deejay> moin
[03:08:13] <XXCoder> hey
[03:15:57] <XXCoder> wow! http://hackaday.com/2016/04/29/japanese-lab-builds-5-axis-3d-printer/
[03:16:02] <XXCoder> 5 axis 3d printer
[03:21:11] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/g8sT8ESfjrg one of demos show model of solid metal stucture with hollows inside. it might be cast for pricy cost but...
[03:21:21] <XXCoder> better to 3d print and cut for better interior accuracy
[03:33:43] <XXCoder> okay this is weird. http://hackaday.com/2016/04/28/threadless-ballscrew-for-3d-printer/
[03:33:52] <XXCoder> ballscrew with no threads
[03:34:49] <XXCoder> archivist: what ya think
[03:37:45] <XXCoder> error is pretty bad
[03:38:09] <XXCoder> maybe must have true position sensor (not encoders)
[03:38:28] <XXCoder> interesting nevertheles
[03:40:59] <XXCoder> I wonder if it is possible to design linear encoder lol
[03:50:37] <archivist> I am a bit fed up of bad wheels being reinvented and shown as new of sites like that
[03:50:57] <XXCoder> article says its old just new to author
[03:56:19] <mase-tech> Hi peops
[03:56:35] <mase-tech> whats up
[03:56:39] <mase-tech> homies
[03:56:43] <mase-tech> :D
[03:59:01] <XXCoder> hey
[03:59:10] <XXCoder> just reading about bicyclist cheating
[03:59:17] <XXCoder> and not chemical either
[04:00:29] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/Fbg4BjZna4Y
[04:07:51] <mase-tech> XXCoder: Hi man
[04:08:11] <mase-tech> Do you know what a emt conduit is ?
[04:08:16] <mase-tech> I cannt translate it
[04:08:42] <XXCoder> lemme find out what it is first I dont know it heh
[04:08:55] <mase-tech> have a look
[04:09:06] <mase-tech> This can be easily expanded to almost any length, width, and depth depending on rigidity required. Shorter lengths = more rigid. This is built using hardware store 3/4" (23.5mm OD) emt conduit. international version using 25mm OD is linked below.
[04:09:23] <XXCoder> electrical metallic tubing is one of results
[04:09:33] <mase-tech> yes it is a tubing
[04:09:39] <XXCoder> http://www.alliedeg.us/emt/
[04:09:43] <XXCoder> is that correct?
[04:10:01] <mase-tech> Yes kind of
[04:10:11] <mase-tech> is emt therefor a matrial ?
[04:10:30] <XXCoder> it seem to be electric wiring pipes standard
[04:10:47] <archivist> it is just a tubing for cables
[04:10:49] <XXCoder> I do recall houses always use those so wires is protected
[04:11:39] <mase-tech> Ok thanks people that solves my question :)
[04:11:48] <archivist> UK would call is steel conduit
[04:12:23] <archivist> which comes black painted or galvanised
[04:27:17] <XXCoder> man I love captain disillusion show
[04:27:22] <XXCoder> too bad its not captioned :('
[04:45:29] <mase-tech> Some spanish speakers here ?
[04:46:38] <XXCoder> I'm about the worse choice. no spoken language here LOL
[04:47:07] <mase-tech> We should speak all german... that would be easier for me :(
[04:47:24] <XXCoder> not me
[04:47:27] <mase-tech> :D
[04:47:31] <mase-tech> your problem :P
[04:47:32] <XXCoder> I dont even speak english
[04:47:43] <XXCoder> my spoken language is
[04:47:45] <mase-tech> so whats ur language
[04:47:58] <XXCoder> ASL
[04:48:16] <mase-tech> assembly ?
[04:48:24] <XXCoder> lol
[04:48:30] <XXCoder> american sign language
[04:48:48] <mase-tech> I must goodle it
[04:51:16] <mase-tech> So u cannt talk normal ?
[04:51:23] <XXCoder> I could actually
[04:51:28] <XXCoder> nothing wrong with my voice
[04:51:34] <mase-tech> u cannt hear
[04:51:38] <XXCoder> just never learned lol
[04:51:40] <XXCoder> indeed
[04:51:54] <mase-tech> where is the problem
[04:52:01] <mase-tech> in your ear
[04:52:08] <XXCoder> its genetic problem, nerves just never connected
[04:52:36] <mase-tech> ok
[04:52:37] <XXCoder> on genetic problems I won lottery :P I have in least 5
[04:52:51] <XXCoder> just used to it and moving on
[04:54:10] <mase-tech> how old are u
[04:54:24] <XXCoder> 40
[04:54:38] <mase-tech> We are almost same age :)
[04:54:43] <mase-tech> I am 37
[04:54:51] <XXCoder> cool :)
[04:54:54] <mase-tech> haha
[04:54:56] <mase-tech> yes
[05:03:20] <mase-tech> I am searching the tubing for my axis
[05:03:39] <mase-tech> emt are "recommanded" because they are cheap
[05:04:09] <mase-tech> So I am not sure on what I am going to buy
[05:04:18] <XXCoder> SBRs?
[05:04:18] <mase-tech> It must be ridgid
[05:04:32] <XXCoder> not cheap but not too expensive though
[05:04:44] <XXCoder> supported bar rail if I recall
[05:04:58] <mase-tech> So stainless steel, alu tubing is what I am consinder
[05:05:12] <mase-tech> or steel
[05:05:28] <XXCoder> sbr is solid alum
[05:05:46] <XXCoder> simple example https://www.glacern.com/photos/sbr_01.jpg
[05:05:55] <XXCoder> looks like sbr 16
[05:06:06] <mase-tech> This is proffesional ;D
[05:06:14] <mase-tech> I will get those later
[05:06:33] <XXCoder> geeez http://image.ec21.com/image/jimmybearing/oimg_GC03439574_CA03439790/Linear_Guide_Rail_Bearing_SBR_.jpg
[05:06:35] <XXCoder> that is tiny.
[05:06:41] <XXCoder> range maybe 3 inches?
[05:06:46] <mase-tech> :D
[05:06:50] <XXCoder> hmm
[05:07:06] <XXCoder> if you have lathe you can make quite accurate rail rods
[05:07:08] <mase-tech> with 3 inches I can cnc a stamp
[05:07:21] <mase-tech> I have no lathe and no cnc
[05:07:45] <mase-tech> I don't even have a drill press
[05:07:49] <mase-tech> :D
[05:08:06] <XXCoder> lol
[05:08:23] <XXCoder> I have seen cnc made to use drawer side sliders
[05:08:30] <XXCoder> pretty cheap
[05:08:39] <archivist> I hate bar support type machines, too much vibration
[05:09:02] <mase-tech> drawer side sliders ?
[05:09:12] <XXCoder> archivist: I'm stuck with set of sbr 20, sbr 16 and sbr 12 lol
[05:09:19] <XXCoder> yeah same as one in your drawer
[05:09:26] <mase-tech> a ok I know them to
[05:09:38] <mase-tech> but I don t like it
[05:09:54] <XXCoder> making machine with metal frame or wood?
[05:10:07] <archivist> I had one of these http://www.mike-willis.com/hobbymat.html has a bar for the bed
[05:10:34] <mase-tech> everybody has so nice maschines
[05:10:38] <mase-tech> man
[05:10:55] <XXCoder> looks quite different arch. no umm groove? keystone rail? whats it called
[05:11:04] <archivist> I scrapped it, used the headstock for my mill
[05:11:52] <mase-tech> can u turn a V-groove into http://www.ebay.de/itm/20-Stuck-608-ZZ-Kugellager-Miniaturkugellager-2Z-8x22x7-mm-/261399497655?hash=item3cdc9fcbb7:g:DCkAAOSwu4BVu8AN
[05:12:28] <XXCoder> mase you could use flat stock rail using bunch of skating bearings
[05:12:47] <mase-tech> Yes
[05:12:55] <mase-tech> You know the design I meant
[05:12:56] <XXCoder> pair on sides to hold it on, and another on both edges to slide smoothly
[05:13:31] <mase-tech> archivist: meant the steel bearings onto the alu profil has to much wear out
[05:13:41] <mase-tech> and I think he is clearly right
[05:13:54] <XXCoder> its good for a while
[05:13:58] <XXCoder> which may be enough
[05:14:11] <XXCoder> steel plate means it lasts quite a while
[05:14:17] <XXCoder> and skate bearings is cheap
[05:14:28] <mase-tech> I think brass could be better
[05:14:31] <archivist> mase-tech, no I mean the bend and vibrate, a fundamental design flaw in bar design machines
[05:15:02] <archivist> must be supported
[05:15:03] <mase-tech> But If u use brass it will become expensive so u can use sbr
[05:15:23] <XXCoder> wood will be cut correct?
[05:15:33] <XXCoder> alum? other materials?
[05:15:37] <mase-tech> right for some time
[05:15:44] <mase-tech> I said I liked the design
[05:15:49] <archivist> the elastic constant of different metals is very similar
[05:16:05] <XXCoder> http://cdn.instructables.com/F9E/85YD/HAVGJAUG/F9E85YDHAVGJAUG.RECT2100.jpg
[05:16:08] <XXCoder> look at that
[05:16:10] <mase-tech> but as archivist said the wearout is a problem and I verified it by other resources
[05:16:11] <XXCoder> drawer slides
[05:16:35] <XXCoder> its slightly better configuration that I had in mind but yeah
[05:16:52] <archivist> I never said anything about wear
[05:17:33] <mase-tech> archivist: I have this good point from u
[05:17:36] <mase-tech> I am sure
[05:17:47] <mase-tech> but nvm
[05:18:05] <XXCoder> wow
[05:18:09] <XXCoder> http://www.instructables.com/id/CNC-Drawer-Slide-Build-A-different-Approach/
[05:18:14] <XXCoder> gantry slides very smoothly
[05:18:19] <XXCoder> its cheap
[05:19:55] <XXCoder> other method https://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/645/422/1600/663984/XDimensions.jpg
[05:20:10] <mase-tech> XXCoder: I have my design I am going for
[05:20:32] <mase-tech> And the parts a bought
[05:20:39] <XXCoder> cool
[05:20:46] <mase-tech> I am looking now for my axis
[05:21:57] <mase-tech> I have a very very cheap design
[05:22:10] <XXCoder> well drawer slides might do it
[05:22:10] <mase-tech> I will make a thread about it
[05:22:22] <XXCoder> and you can buy em quite cheap
[05:22:30] <mase-tech> It will not be compareable to what most of the people use
[05:23:00] <mase-tech> But it is my approches where I can afford to make mistakes
[05:23:15] <mase-tech> And I can evolve this machine
[05:23:21] <[cube]> mase-tech you going to be using emt conduit +skate bearings?
[05:23:53] <mase-tech> So After weeks of considering I am glad to begin with the projekt finally
[05:24:20] <mase-tech> [cube]: yes I do
[05:24:37] <[cube]> that's what I use on my machine
[05:24:40] <[cube]> its an older design
[05:24:47] <mase-tech> mpcnc ?
[05:24:54] <[cube]> "joe's cnc"
[05:25:07] <[cube]> i have the plans/cads if you want them
[05:25:16] <[cube]> http://www.built-to-spec.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/CCCKCCNC.jpg
[05:25:44] <[cube]> it's a large machine, 6' x 4'
[05:25:56] <mase-tech> this I call smart
[05:26:00] <mase-tech> and cheap
[05:26:05] <[cube]> yep
[05:26:10] <XXCoder> [cube]: is screw on side mocing gantry?
[05:26:42] <XXCoder> man I need clamps. lol
[05:26:49] <[cube]> not sure i understand
[05:27:09] <XXCoder> I see long allthread screw bear side rod rails
[05:27:12] <XXCoder> *near
[05:27:23] <[cube]> oh
[05:27:26] <[cube]> thats just structural
[05:27:29] <[cube]> tension
[05:27:30] <XXCoder> ahh ok
[05:27:48] <XXCoder> I now see center near bottom screw
[05:27:54] <XXCoder> that moves it I guess
[05:27:54] <[cube]> yea
[05:28:01] <[cube]> pretty simple/crude design
[05:28:03] <[cube]> but works!
[05:28:10] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:28:12] <[cube]> after 6 or so years
[05:28:19] <[cube]> the bearings were compeletely seized
[05:28:31] <XXCoder> one of my pontental plan is building "box" style large cnc router
[05:28:32] <[cube]> so i just replaced them all
[05:28:42] <[cube]> yeah
[05:28:47] <XXCoder> box style so i can make em using my small router cnc
[05:28:51] <[cube]> "joe" has some updated designs
[05:28:58] <[cube]> this was like his first machine
[05:29:02] <[cube]> all his new stuff uses tslot
[05:29:23] <[cube]> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/r3sVfcin2Tc/maxresdefault.jpg
[05:29:31] <[cube]> and you scale em to your desired size
[05:30:04] <XXCoder> that looks like 80/20
[05:30:12] <XXCoder> pretty expensive
[05:30:12] <[cube]> yeah im not sure
[05:30:16] <[cube]> definitely more epxensive build
[05:30:19] <XXCoder> but easier to make precise
[05:30:36] <[cube]> yep
[05:33:49] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Edelstahl-Rohr-10-154-mm-L-25-cm-0-25m-LEBENSMITTEL-Rund-LEITUNGSROHR/131192119658?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3Dafc1896ca81f4074a6c579a3713bfd7e%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D131192119658
[05:40:11] <malcom2073> Morning
[05:40:18] <mase-tech> hi
[05:45:56] <mase-tech> Is alu 25x3 ridgid engouh
[05:46:47] <archivist> unsupported tube is not rigid
[06:09:28] <mase-tech> archivist: It is about to choose material
[06:10:00] <mase-tech> So I don t no 25x3 mm alu is more ridged than 25x2 steel or stainless steel
[06:10:23] <mase-tech> And then I must look at vibrations
[06:10:47] <mase-tech> I think vibration depends on material thickness
[06:10:59] <mase-tech> so the 25x3mm alu will be better
[06:11:58] <archivist> the alu is weak
[06:12:28] <archivist> go into a shop, pick one up see how easy the are to bend a little
[06:13:28] <mase-tech> so stainless 25x2 is best ?
[06:14:00] <malcom2073> I wouldn't do stainless, go for normal steel and paint it
[06:18:43] <archivist> tube is supporting the roller bearings, no painting
[06:18:54] <XXCoder> paint it with oil
[06:19:20] <archivist> wood chips stick to oil
[06:28:23] <malcom2073> Yeah but if it's unsupported rail, paint isn't going to makeit any worse heh
[06:28:45] <malcom2073> Anyway I thought he was talking about frame, not the linear rail, sorry
[06:29:29] <archivist> frame is the rail :(
[06:30:43] <mase-tech> http://picpaste.com/image2-i9pjQTnx.png
[06:31:07] <mase-tech> http://picpaste.com/image-TWLhyWYJ.png
[06:31:21] <mase-tech> could u say which tubing that is
[06:31:41] <mase-tech> difficult to say I know
[06:31:46] <malcom2073> Heh, then paint really won't matter either way
[06:36:04] <mase-tech> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=767zcKCDwTE
[06:36:08] <mase-tech> look this
[06:38:54] <XXCoder> its fine for cutting wood
[06:39:03] <XXCoder> alum or tougher proably not
[06:39:06] <mase-tech> what tubing
[06:39:20] <XXCoder> looks like either steel or alum ones
[06:39:34] <mase-tech> I think so too
[06:39:47] <mase-tech> hard to say
[06:40:01] <XXCoder> honestly youre making it to cut wood
[06:40:09] <XXCoder> it can be made from wood and can cut wood
[06:40:23] <XXCoder> you can even make wood rails (well waxed)
[07:30:43] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: nop
[07:44:28] <Tom_itx> morning
[07:44:32] <zeeshan|2> morning
[07:44:44] <zeeshan|2> about to do the dreaded turbo removal on the subaru pos
[07:44:48] <zeeshan|2> they make it so hard to change it
[07:44:59] <zeeshan|2> it took me 2 hours just to align the damn thing last time
[07:45:11] <Tom_itx> i thought you were done with that pos
[07:45:16] <zeeshan|2> cause you have to line up the intake air duct and oil drain
[07:45:26] <zeeshan|2> well its burning oil from the turbo
[07:45:28] <zeeshan|2> i can see it
[07:45:34] <zeeshan|2> i can't sell the car like that
[07:45:42] <zeeshan|2> i want at least 21500 for it
[07:45:47] <zeeshan|2> so it has to be in mint condition
[07:45:54] <Tom_itx> so just park it on the street with the keys in it
[07:45:58] <zeeshan|2> lol
[07:46:13] <zeeshan|2> too honest :P
[07:46:15] <Tom_itx> they'll drive it around the block and bring it back
[07:46:20] <zeeshan|2> HAHAHAHA
[07:46:22] <zeeshan|2> EXACTLY!!
[07:46:34] <zeeshan|2> ive been enjoying driving at again
[07:46:39] <zeeshan|2> but i know the enjoyment will be short lived
[07:46:47] <zeeshan|2> at = it
[07:46:55] <zeeshan|2> is your course done?
[07:47:12] <Tom_itx> i'm done with the material but have some time to put in
[07:47:25] <Tom_itx> i won't start again until fall
[07:47:38] <zeeshan|2> oh noes
[07:47:41] <zeeshan|2> what will you do all summer!
[07:47:51] <Tom_itx> was gonna take classes thru the summer but decided not to
[07:47:59] <Tom_itx> next is prismatic machining
[07:48:20] <Tom_itx> and i have a book for that already
[07:54:36] <trentster> Anyone here backing this - looks pretty neat! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/necitec/up-to-4-axis-beaglebone-black-based-cnc-control
[07:54:45] <zeeshan|2> no mesa
[07:54:46] <zeeshan|2> no backup
[07:56:24] <trentster> yeah - no mesa is a issue I agree
[07:58:45] <archivist> I hate the description of its software, being as it is using a fork
[07:59:11] <archivist> they should be kicked off for that
[08:00:45] <trentster> is the fork bad?
[08:00:51] <trentster> I have never seen machinekit
[08:02:20] <trentster> As a side note, are any of you guys backing the Trinus 3D printer on kickstarter the one with 4 linear actuators?
[08:02:21] <trentster> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1403065126/trinus-the-affordable-all-metal-3d-printer
[08:02:52] <trentster> I cant decide if its worth buying for $299 for the 4 actuators alone - there is 7 hours left on the campaign
[08:02:54] <Sync> well zeeshan|2 at least the türbos are cheap
[08:04:06] <Sync> I like how in their pictures the screws have a bearing on the long end
[08:04:13] <Sync> but in some they don't
[08:05:16] * jthornton thinks he needs to build his ja13 computer one more time monday when he gets back
[08:05:16] <Sync> and on the other end only with the flex
[08:05:17] <Sync> wat
[08:06:11] <archivist> long thin support bars, yet another flexible clue gun
[08:06:13] <trentster> Sync: yeah if you look in the update section they mention that all screws will now come with bearing supports at the end
[08:07:50] <trentster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTEqnEtqJHw
[08:09:00] <trentster> you can see in that review the end bearings are now there
[08:09:48] <Polymorphism> machinekit is a fork of linuxcnc
[08:12:00] <Tom_itx> you don't like it, fork it
[08:12:39] <Sync> trentster: yeah, still does not help the situation at the other end
[08:12:50] <archivist> but dont claim it is the original(newname) in your sales blurb
[08:14:07] <Tom_itx> mmm he used to hang out in here but i don't see him
[08:15:58] <trentster> Sync: so you reckon for $300 its not worth pulling the trigger?
[08:16:26] <Tom_itx> unless $300 isn't important to you
[08:18:15] <Sync> it probably is ok for 300, but the stages are nothing fancy
[08:19:06] <trentster> hmmm - yeah
[08:20:11] <trentster> I am going to cancel the order - got too many projects on the go at the moment anyway - need to focus on the Epoxy Granite Build
[08:20:19] <Tom_itx> _methods?
[08:22:21] <malcom2073> archivist: linuxchc chose the wrong license if they wanted credit up front and center :-P
[08:22:24] <malcom2073> linuxcnc*
[08:23:13] <malcom2073> Though they do say it's from linuxcnc
[08:23:39] <malcom2073> And reference the linuxcnc website
[08:25:32] <malcom2073> Yeah those actuators aren't worth $300
[08:25:36] <malcom2073> You could build them for half that
[08:25:39] <archivist> with text like Pre-installed Open Source LinuxCNC Software (Machinekit). people will come here for support, but we wont know wtf is different
[08:26:13] <malcom2073> archivist: Wait, so you're complaining A: They don't give enough credit, and B: They give too much credit? :-P
[08:26:23] <Sync> or chinasource them for 110$ each with a ballscrew malcom2073
[08:26:38] <malcom2073> Sync: Indeed
[08:26:54] <malcom2073> Sync: Or $150 each and you get square rail
[08:27:00] <archivist> malcom2073, using the linuxcnc name to peddle a fork is what I am thinking
[08:27:46] <malcom2073> archivist: Ah I misunderstood your complaint, so only B. Yeah I can understand that
[08:27:57] <mase-tech> EMT is generally made of coated steel, though it may be aluminum.
[08:28:07] <mase-tech> I don t understand
[08:28:20] <mase-tech> Does that mean the coat can be aluminium
[08:28:32] <mase-tech> or the conduit can be aluminium
[08:29:09] <archivist> mase-tech, it is not a structural tube, it is a cable protection tube
[08:31:55] <trentster> malcom2073: Sync I think you may be wrong about your prices - I have never seen anything similar from China at a price even close to that - also building them yourself I doubt would be any cheaper albeit perhaps better quality
[08:34:55] <malcom2073> Used ebay you can get proper ones for about $100 (That's what my printer is made out of), let me find the alibaba ones I had found a while back
[08:35:58] <trentster> malcom2073: thanks
[08:37:26] <Sync> malcom2073: I just opened up ali and that's what it is
[08:37:31] <Sync> err trentster
[08:40:05] <trentster> Sync: url?
[08:40:49] <malcom2073> Eh looks like prices have gone back up, $200 for them now if you buy them prebuilt, $400 for all three axis if you build them yourself
[08:41:04] <malcom2073> Ebay used is still by *far* the best bet heh
[08:41:30] <Sync> http://de.aliexpress.com/item/12mm-Linear-Guide-Rail-100mm-Linear-Stage-1605-Ball-screw-linear-SFU1605-42-Nema-17-Stepper/32616940026.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_3_10017_10005_10006_10034_10021_507_10022_10009_10020_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_7&btsid=2e268b7f-975f-473d-8e73-20a6929177c9 shit like that
[08:42:07] <JT-JA13> guess I better shut this one down too
[08:43:50] <trentster> JT-JA13: you also pledged on kickstarter?
[08:44:25] <JT-JA13> what kickstarter?
[08:45:05] <trentster> malcom2073: Sync altho those prices are pretty good its still quite a bit more, and its only got like 60mm of movement
[08:45:13] <trentster> JT-JA13: sorry nevermind
[08:45:32] <malcom2073> trentster: They're also ballscrew, and single-unit pricing
[08:45:51] <malcom2073> If you're making one-off, ebay used is best. If you're making bulk, china is good.
[08:46:11] <malcom2073> Or build your own from parts, that winds up being fairly cheap
[08:47:57] <trentster> malcom2073: yeah but its completely non usable for the same application the others have at least 125mm of travel, you get 4 of them. These unfortunately are a non starter. I will hoever bookmark the page incase I should ever need a micro 3d printer ;-)
[08:48:13] <malcom2073> trentster: You're entirely missing the point heh
[08:48:22] <malcom2073> The point is: Waste your money if you want, but it's a waste.
[08:48:57] <trentster> nope - you guys said you could buy or build the same or better for cheaper - I am saying thats fantasy
[08:49:08] <trentster> respectfully of course :-)
[08:49:35] <malcom2073> Ok then, let us live in our fantasy, and I'll go play with my fantasy machine :-P
[08:49:51] <trentster> I am happy to be convinced otherwise in light of some imperical urls/evidence to the contrary
[08:50:02] <Sync> with some more looking you'll find their oem
[08:50:12] <Sync> it's not like they invented their own
[08:50:17] <malcom2073> Eh, I care enough to let you know there are other options, I don't care enough to save your money to work hard to convine you :-P
[08:50:28] <malcom2073> convince*
[08:52:36] <trentster> lol - ok
[08:54:37] <Polymorphism> what do you mean when you say its not parametric malcom2073, and how might this affect me?
[08:55:30] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDFjnAsBqLU
[08:55:33] <malcom2073> Gives a bit of overview
[08:55:44] <trentster> Sync: they did kinda invent their own - they are getting them bulk custom manufactured by Flextronics in Singapore. I guess thats the reason they can get the costs down so low
[08:55:49] <malcom2073> Watch that, then try DM, and you'll quickly realize the difference
[08:56:32] <malcom2073> The ability to go back and edit features and have your edits affect the entire tree of operations on a model
[08:56:54] * Polymorphism goes to watch
[08:57:02] <malcom2073> Vs making a model, and with any changes you either have to revert to an earlier version and re-do everything, or you have to make changes to everything to make it suit the new parts
[08:57:05] <Polymorphism> upgrading from XP to 7 and I'll be able to try DM soon
[08:57:49] <Polymorphism> I see, that makes a bit of sense. I'll try it out and maybe it will become more clear
[09:00:17] <trentster> Polymorphism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlMCO-JEHhU There is the Fusion 360 intro to parametric CAD/CAM which is essentially free
[09:00:30] <Polymorphism> freecad has parametric, maybe I could use that as well
[09:00:42] <malcom2073> freedcad is... missing a lot
[09:00:50] <malcom2073> fusion 360 is a really good option in terms of free stuff
[09:00:52] <Polymorphism> fusion360 isnt free for commercial use though right
[09:00:57] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: It is, up to $100k
[09:01:03] <Polymorphism> oh wow...
[09:01:06] <Polymorphism> and by then I could just buy it
[09:01:12] <malcom2073> Yep
[09:02:30] <trentster> its free unless you make more than $100k a year in your business - even then the monthly price is extremely affordable
[09:05:38] <Polymorphism> fusion360 has cam built in?
[09:05:43] <malcom2073> It does!
[09:06:45] <Polymorphism> freecad you say is lacking, if F360 has CAM and parametric wouldnt it be a better option than DS mech?
[09:07:07] <Polymorphism> looking for my first program to really learn well
[09:07:10] <malcom2073> I think so yeah, sorry I had forgotten about it
[09:08:38] <Polymorphism> have to be online to use it sounds a bit strange but features look nice. I'm not sure if F360 or DS mech would work with my laptop. I have a desktop I could use though
[09:08:54] <Polymorphism> going to try them out and see how they work
[09:10:28] <pink_vampire> hi
[09:11:04] <Polymorphism> hello
[09:11:49] <Polymorphism> https://www.onshape.com/ looks interesting as well
[09:12:08] <malcom2073> I *really* like onshape, it's done by the ex-solidwork devs, so it feels a lot like solidworks
[09:12:18] <malcom2073> but afaik, it doesn't do CAM, and its import/export is a bit unrefined
[09:18:59] <minibnz> evening all.. hows things...
[09:27:54] <minibnz> im quite happy with my days output.. i made a small vertical clamp/vice for my mill.. when i am using my dividing head with a large sheet/circle i find the peice needed support at the outside edge..
[09:27:55] <minibnz> i have a right angle block that can mount the dividing head parrallel to the bed but when i use the head parrallel to the spindle the block is free so i made a motorized clamp that mounts to this block.
[09:27:55] <minibnz> now i might be able to remake the support plate for my tool changer out of aluminium and not have to sit there and clamp and unclamp the edge before each turn of the head.
[09:27:55] <minibnz> 4mm aluminium wont be too hard on the mill with it supported properly. originally i used 6mm perspex at 280mm round and cut full of 7mm slots it has no strength left to hold the tool holders vertical so they jam in the collet...
[09:29:14] <minibnz> it will probably be noisy as hell as the plate/disc will only be supported at two points and will probably vibrate up a storm..
[09:30:33] <minibnz> going to add some bearing inserts to the jaws so the job can spin, but make them removable so i can also clamp things tight if needed//
[09:36:45] <maxcnc> hi all thunder aroud here in SW germany all DIY removed from power
[09:40:46] <maxcnc> Q to plasmas users did you also expirience if there is lightning in the area there is a thc problem
[10:06:47] <enleth> 2
[10:06:48] <pink_vampire> where is my masking tape??
[10:06:53] <enleth> damn
[10:06:57] <archivist> -------------------->
[10:07:24] <pink_vampire> no this is my laser.
[10:13:43] <Deejay> <-------------------------
[10:14:27] <pink_vampire> there I keep my microscope.
[10:29:38] <Deejay> i feel like in these oldschool adventure games (like monkey island)
[10:32:54] <pink_vampire> I know what you mean..
[10:33:15] <minibnz> go left and use the key..
[10:33:34] <minibnz> no damn use the hammer...
[10:34:00] <pink_vampire> soo complicated to use the cnc to build parts for the panel,
[10:34:00] <Deejay> I'm sorry, but I can't do that!
[10:47:39] <djdelorie> you are in a twisty maze of little wires, all alike...
[10:55:33] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: something like that
[11:58:52] <Duc> I need to stop have two expensive past times
[12:09:18] <pink_vampire> Duc: what do you mean?
[12:10:56] <Duc> pink_vampire: ammo if freaking pricey and machines are not much better
[12:11:34] <pink_vampire> stop using guns.
[12:12:00] <DaViruz> it's no accident gun rhymes with fun
[12:12:43] <Duc> lol what does 22 lbs of tannerite rhyme with :D
[12:13:27] <DaViruz> lawnmover parts tearing of your leg? :P
[12:13:40] <Duc> Yea that guy was a freaking idiot and bad shot
[12:13:45] <DaViruz> indeed
[12:14:34] <DaViruz> you can't get tannerite here
[12:14:37] <minibnz> wish i could get my hands on tannerite..
[12:14:37] <DaViruz> but it's easy enough to make
[12:14:47] <Duc> where is here?
[12:14:50] <DaViruz> sweden
[12:15:09] <Duc> I cant really give up guns since its what I do for a living. Research cost Ill call it
[12:16:16] <minibnz> i am looking for a some idone.. stick that between two bit of sticky paper on a target and soak with amonia.. instant reactive targets that are only active once you dry them.. sure it takes a little time but its okay on a hot day it drys quick..
[12:16:32] <minibnz> and you can set it off with an air rife.
[12:17:22] <minibnz> tannerite was avaiable in australia at one point but i thinkits banned now.. either that or it sells out so quick they cant keep up with it.
[12:17:51] <Duc> its super easy to make I dont buy the tannerite brand but some bulk company stuff
[12:18:14] <minibnz> whats the mix? i cant find any details.
[12:18:24] <DaViruz> check youtube
[12:18:31] <minibnz> k
[12:18:36] <DaViruz> there are several videos explaining in great detail
[12:19:09] <DaViruz> imo having to shoot it is a bit cumbersome and adds a lot of risk
[12:19:21] <DaViruz> (if the goal is to blow shit up)
[12:19:46] <Duc> its a nice tall tell sign that you hit your target
[12:20:01] <DaViruz> yeah for reactuve targets it's nice
[12:20:11] <DaViruz> for blowing up lawn mowers it's not great.. :)
[12:20:50] <Duc> we have blow steel plate 150 yards into the sky but we were some distance away with a .308
[12:24:36] <minibnz> oh wow i just watched the video hahahahah what a knob...
[12:25:24] <minibnz> oh and i would never mix a large mix of iodone and anmonia
[12:25:48] <minibnz> its way to unstable for that.. its how you make touch paper.. the name says it all.
[12:26:18] <Duc> yea a good portion of humans are just stupid
[12:26:39] <minibnz> but you i beleive amonia nitate is a controlled substance here in australia..
[12:26:49] <DaViruz> it's almost inconeivable he thought that was a good distance to stand at
[12:27:00] <minibnz> yeah that they are we have been protecting the dumb for far too long..
[12:27:55] <minibnz> i have played with fireworks and black poweder and they were smaller that what he had and i was farther away than that..
[12:29:12] <DaViruz> ammonium nitrate is sort of controlled here. but you can still buy it in freeze packs
[12:29:35] <minibnz> when we go long range shooting we use a half inch thick gong plate hung on chains from a frame it makes a nice AV report when you hit it.. @360 yards a 308 wont go thru it unless you hit the same spot twice.
[12:29:52] <DaViruz> and probably even in fertilizer form, though i believe they have started to spike the fertilizers with something that negates AN and is hard to separate
[12:30:09] <minibnz> yeah i just saw a video of a dude using those.. might have to have me a look in the super market or chemist.
[12:30:39] <Duc> Im a little surprised how much a nanny country it is
[12:31:14] <DaViruz> to own weapons here you need to be actively competing
[12:31:37] <minibnz> the chemist always looks at me funny when i go to buy iodine crystals.. now doomsday preping is a little more known i have a resaonable excuse..
[12:33:00] <DaViruz> for handguns at least. for rifles you can get by with a hunting license
[12:34:08] <minibnz> we dont need to compete to own a rifle you have to be actively using it at a range. for me i am listed as hunting and target shooting.. so i must go to a approved range 4 times a year for the target classification and do 2 hunting activities, either range or booked hunts on govt land.. for pistols you need to 'compete' but that can simply be submitting your target at the range for 'their' competiton they have running continuosly
[12:35:04] <minibnz> hunting and target activities can be a class at the range, ie i got a tick for doing a deer butchering course.
[12:35:42] <minibnz> target cand be as simple as turn up use the attendance rifle to fire 5shots and get a tick in the book.
[12:36:01] <Duc> but can you keep them at your house and how pricey is ammo?
[12:36:07] <minibnz> thats what i did for my last one, it was too busy to get a lane for any time.
[12:38:06] <Duc> can anyone set up a shooting range on their property
[12:38:42] <minibnz> not that bad if you ask me.. $635au for 900rnds of match kings and $790au for blitz kings .223 and for my air rifle i pay $12/200 of .22 if i need to use tin they are $20/80rnds .22
[12:39:33] <Duc> how much is au to US
[12:39:45] <tiwake> 790au is $600USD
[12:39:51] <minibnz> if your property is 25acres or more you are allowed to pretty much do what you want.. as long as its safe and the neighbours dont complain too much about the noise. but its not an apporved site per say..
[12:40:19] <CaptHindsight> 1 Australian Dollar equals 0.76 US Dollar
[12:40:35] <tiwake> minibnz: the problem is people like complaining... a lot
[12:40:45] <minibnz> if you have 25acres and animals you dont need to go to a range.. you get classed as primary producer.
[12:41:40] <Jymmm> what if you have 25 acres of whining type, like tiwake?
[12:41:48] <minibnz> yeah my mates father in law has 500 acres and his brother has another 500acres ajoining and the new neighbours tried to complain to the cops they turned up checked our paper work and saftey kit and they were off..
[12:42:13] <tiwake> Jymmm: heh... I only whine on IRC, nothing verbally :P
[12:42:26] <tiwake> lately I've been too busy to whine
[12:42:36] <Jymmm> tiwake: I would be very impressed if you could whine verbally on irc =)
[12:42:38] <minibnz> on 25acres you probably shouldn't fire much more than a .22 rimfire or a shotty..
[12:42:58] <Jymmm> minibnz: depends on the neighbors =)
[12:43:02] <Duc> nah just build a dirt berm and be smart about it
[12:43:22] <Jymmm> minibnz: anoying bastards??? black powder canon =)
[12:44:00] <minibnz> the neighbour tried to say that we were using a semiauto (which is restricted to profesional shooters with a class C licesnse ) the cops were laughing but they have to take every report seriously..
[12:44:15] <CaptHindsight> I don't think that you're allowed to blow up whiners even in Australia
[12:44:27] <Duc> no semi auto there?
[12:44:41] <minibnz> jymmm a cannon would be a hoot.. but that would piss of the other neighbours who have a deer farm and we like them, their stock attracts a lot of stags during the rut..
[12:44:54] <Jymmm> ah
[12:44:57] <minibnz> Duc not for the average joe..
[12:45:06] <CaptHindsight> it's not the 19th century anymore
[12:45:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Says you!
[12:45:34] <Duc> I think I only have 1 or 2 non semi autos
[12:46:03] <minibnz> that said i found a loophole that let me get a semi auto air rifle.. 12shot magazine in .22 would really piss you off if i was to empty it on you.. but not kill you unless its point blank with the hunting pellets.
[12:46:31] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I'm just going by what the calendar says, not right wing radio
[12:46:31] <tiwake> minibnz: need higher pressures
[12:46:49] <pink_vampire> 50$ for 12V 4A power supply it's expensive?
[12:46:54] <tiwake> minibnz: CO2 or compressed air?
[12:47:01] <Duc> with all the dangerous animals I would think you could carry anything
[12:47:12] <minibnz> i am working on getting my Class C licence.. then i am allowed to hunt the state forrests at night with night vision and a silencer and a semi auto .50cal if i wanted to :)
[12:47:26] <CaptHindsight> what's good fer shootin spiders?
[12:47:32] <Duc> Suppressors are a shit load of fun
[12:47:35] <minibnz> tiwake my rifle is a FX monsoon it uses compressed air at 220bar.
[12:47:44] <tiwake> minibnz: all the "evil things"
[12:47:54] <minibnz> yup
[12:49:06] <minibnz> class C requires a serious safe.. 6mm steel min. bolted to the building regardless of weight.. three locks, bolts taken out and ammo locked away in sepperate container.
[12:49:10] <tiwake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9953eewY6Rk
[12:49:40] <minibnz> theory is you dont need your guns for self defense here in AU.. if you have enough time to put you gun together you could have called the cops..
[12:49:52] <tiwake> ...
[12:50:08] <Duc> yea I leave all mine loaded and chambered
[12:50:17] <minibnz> but i do get priority service when i need them here.. i explain whats going on and that i will start to put them together in case they dont get here in time..
[12:50:24] <tiwake> well, nobody ever said politicians were smart
[12:51:32] <Duc> Im suprised my neighbors dont think Im mixing up drugs
[12:52:13] <minibnz> i have ordered aa adler 101 12ga lever action shotgun.. been waiting 9 months now.. should be here in june.. the govt and the anti gun nuts have their panties in a bunch over the rate at which this gun can fire..
[12:53:17] <Duc> I saw a news clip on that. any guy can fire fast in the right hands
[12:53:38] <minibnz> i live in an apartment near the city and the neighbours looked at me all funnny the first time they saw me with the rifle case.. i just tell them its a competition air rifle and they seem much happier then.. no need to tell them about the others.
[12:53:49] <tiwake> even on the national level... "behind every blade of grass"
[12:54:36] <minibnz> Duc yup.. look at all the videos from the JFK conspiracy nuts.. they can fire a bolt action laft handed.. something like 6 times in 8 seconds..
[12:55:14] * Loetmichel changed a fender on the BMW 316i compact today... Fun fact: the steel ramps on exposed aggregate concrete tend to jump off up to 15 feet if you try to drive on with a RDW car... nearly killed the neighbor that was marshaling me.
[12:55:20] <Duc> look up the myth busters episode with travis tomasie
[12:55:26] <minibnz> or was that 4 times in 8... still damn fast and way better than just spraying bullets all over the place..
[12:55:30] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16274
[12:55:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16277
[12:55:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16280
[12:55:51] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16286
[12:55:52] <Loetmichel> :-)
[12:56:16] <tiwake> Loetmichel: I'm talking myself into replacing the rear brakes on my car
[12:56:26] <malcom2073> Finished my tool holder holder this morning: https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13131108_1271404689540576_2635015379370805513_o.jpg
[12:56:33] <minibnz> brakes are easy to do..
[12:56:40] <tiwake> well sure
[12:56:51] <minibnz> esspecially disc brakes..
[12:57:00] <tiwake> but its where I work, and I've been staying there for long hours afterwards doing other stuff
[12:57:03] <minibnz> two spanners and a gclamp
[12:57:12] <tiwake> I want to take a brake
[12:57:21] <minibnz> ahhh the plumber with leaky pipes.. i hear ya..
[12:57:57] <tiwake> blerm
[12:58:01] <tiwake> hmm
[12:58:22] <tiwake> so much stuff I have to do, about half of it car stuff
[12:58:48] <Loetmichel> the pink stuff is roofing foam... VERY sturdy extrided polystyrene. handy if you dont like kneeling on exposed aggregate concrete or want to stop ramps from jumping away ;)
[12:59:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: wth is "right wing radio"?
[12:59:33] <tiwake> oh yeah, that pink stuff is good stuff for a lot of things
[12:59:50] <tiwake> Loetmichel: people use it for building model airplane stuff
[13:00:12] <tiwake> Loetmichel: also, isnt bmw stuff expensive to replace?
[13:00:16] <Loetmichel> i know, thats why i always have some in the garage ;)
[13:00:27] <Loetmichel> the fender had cost me €31
[13:00:30] <Loetmichel> not THAT expensive
[13:00:39] <tiwake> oh, in euroland
[13:00:50] <Loetmichel> <- german
[13:01:09] <tiwake> makes more sense now :P
[13:01:21] <tiwake> buy local... lol
[13:01:44] <Loetmichel> that BMW is a beater car
[13:02:09] <Loetmichel> beacuse my OPEL OMEGA is at the mechanic... since mid february.
[13:04:00] <tiwake> I should upload pictures of my mustang :P
[13:04:11] <tiwake> its a beater... rat rod thing
[13:05:46] <Loetmichel> tiwake: i paid 450 eur for that 1994 BMW 316i compact... and it even has a month left to the next MOT... but now i have to get it ready for said mot because it lpoks like the Omega will stay a bit longer in the Workshop... i need something to get me to work and back
[13:06:03] <tiwake> MOT?
[13:06:39] <Loetmichel> will have to get it back on the ramps tomorrow to mount the left fog light and then do some electrics repair and mount the summer tyres on alloys
[13:07:05] <Loetmichel> tiwake: biannual Inspection by the government (TÜV in germany)
[13:07:10] <Loetmichel> +mandatory
[13:07:20] <tiwake> oh heh
[13:07:29] <Loetmichel> in .gb its called MOT, no idea what its called in .us
[13:07:32] <tiwake> yeah, I don't have any inspections :P
[13:08:11] <Loetmichel> and then HOPE it passes the "TÜV" ;)
[13:09:06] <tiwake> no emission standards no inspections... they only have an emission check in some large cities
[13:10:36] <Loetmichel> which country, tiwake?
[13:10:39] <tiwake> USA
[13:10:56] <Loetmichel> hu? i thought ther is something called "road legal" there, too?
[13:11:07] <malcom2073> That varies state by state
[13:11:19] <tiwake> enh, yeah, those are never really checked though
[13:11:19] <malcom2073> And often sometimes county by county
[13:11:39] <malcom2073> Maryland has an inspection when you purchase, and then never again
[13:12:05] <tiwake> generally "road legal" means like 3"+ of ground clearance, and a windshield... don't even need lights
[13:12:16] <tiwake> malcom2073: even with used cars?
[13:12:33] <malcom2073> tiwake: Yep. Still need emissions every two years, but no safety
[13:12:43] <tiwake> lamers
[13:13:02] <Loetmichel> tiwake: in germany, if you dont do the TÜV every 2 years and are more than "2 months over" your cars license plates can be invalidated by any policeman out there. and thats accompanied by a HEFTY fine.
[13:13:14] <tiwake> malcom2073: is that state wide? or just in your county?
[13:13:22] <malcom2073> tiwake: Maryland only
[13:13:23] <Loetmichel> so its better to obey the law and get the car inspected
[13:13:29] <malcom2073> tiwake: I'm in PA, and we have yearly inspections
[13:13:41] <tiwake> herm
[13:13:44] <malcom2073> However, my car is 20 years old, so no inspections or emissions ever :)
[13:13:50] <tiwake> oregon here and none at all
[13:13:53] <Loetmichel> and tose inspectors are kinda strict
[13:14:06] <Loetmichel> rust on load bearing parts: no new sticker
[13:14:20] <Loetmichel> car drips oil: no sticker
[13:14:29] <Loetmichel> ANY lamp not working: no sticker
[13:14:32] <Loetmichel> and so on
[13:14:36] <tiwake> looking to move to texas and its the same way, the only missions testing is in the dalas area, austin, and houstin
[13:15:09] <tiwake> Loetmichel: lol... 3/4 of all the cars in my area would not pass
[13:15:30] <tiwake> nobody would be able to do their job cause they would not be able to get there
[13:17:27] <Loetmichel> tiwake: brakes less than 50% of initial force: no sticker AND you have to get a trailer to get that car back from the TÜV to your house.
[13:17:47] <Loetmichel> failing emissions test: no sticker ;)
[13:18:08] <tiwake> my car has no catalytic converters on it
[13:18:29] <tiwake> could probably put sparkers in the exhaust and get some flames :D
[13:24:40] <tiwake> Loetmichel: see very many fords over there?
[13:25:14] <Loetmichel> a few
[13:25:34] <Loetmichel> mostly small ones like the ford KA and such
[13:26:46] <tiwake> oh thats one of those tiny bubble cars
[13:26:50] <tiwake> lol
[13:30:47] <Loetmichel> yes
[13:30:59] <TMA> tiwake: the bigger american cars are not generally available in Europe (except for the "too big to be useful" SUVs that some people own in compensation for low self esteem)
[13:31:03] <Loetmichel> i germany a ford granada is considered a big car
[13:31:22] <Loetmichel> TMA: exactly
[13:33:47] <tiwake> TMA: people need a place to keep all their guns close by ;)
[13:34:34] <Loetmichel> tiwake: there is no country in europe i know that has as lax gun laws as the us.
[13:34:44] <tiwake> jep
[13:34:52] <tiwake> thats why I'll never move outside of USA
[13:35:04] <Loetmichel> 99.9% of the people here have no permit to carry a gun in the car ;)
[13:35:07] <bongofury> because guns? thats an odd reason.
[13:35:09] <TMA> tiwake: also, there are generally very few guns -- well except for the mobsters, police and army
[13:37:48] <Duc> I thought there was one or two places that required people to own guns
[13:38:02] <tiwake> TMA: I'd bet that an average mobster over there has less guns than an average farmer here
[13:38:46] <Duc> I could see that. most of the gun people own 50+ each
[13:39:22] <tiwake> guy I used to work for had at last that many pistols
[13:39:38] <TMA> tiwake: yes. he does not need them to protect himself from the farmers ;)
[13:39:55] <tiwake> heh
[13:41:13] <Duc> I wish i couldhave bought some full autos when they were legal
[13:41:40] <tiwake> I remember thinking about a select set of guns required to cover all shooting situations
[13:41:58] <tiwake> came up with 11 different guns required for everything
[13:42:08] <tiwake> don't remember exactly what they were though
[13:42:55] <Duc> Im still waiting on a SBR tax stamp
[13:45:26] <enleth> Duc: Switzerland has almost all citizenz aged 20-30 keep a government-issued rifle at home, but no ammo - they get it at shooting ranges when they come for training, or, of course, in case of an armed conflict
[13:45:31] <enleth> *citizens
[13:45:50] <tiwake> something like a .338 lapua, AR10|FN FAL, ruger 10/22, 12 gage shotgun, 1911, Rohrbaugh R9, a 22-250 or .223... and some others...
[13:45:53] <enleth> they used to keep ammo at home as well, ubt they don't anymore
[13:46:08] <Duc> thats what I thought.
[13:46:57] <Duc> the Rohrbaugh was a crap gun by the way
[13:47:14] <tiwake> the R9? smallest 9mm made
[13:47:22] <tiwake> not accurate, for sure
[13:47:35] <Duc> and was recommended not to shoot
[13:47:48] <Duc> put 20 rounds thru then put away
[13:47:54] <tiwake> me being a small guy I'd want something small for carrying
[13:48:09] <Duc> The RM380 is the R9 but in .380
[13:48:13] <tiwake> I know some people who carry a full size double stack 1911
[13:48:21] <tiwake> no way I could do that... lol
[13:48:44] <Duc> Remington modified the R9 and improved the specs on it
[13:48:52] <enleth> tiwake: glock makes one very small pistol similar to R9
[13:49:00] <tiwake> screw the glocks
[13:49:20] <enleth> they seem to last longer than 20 shots
[13:49:30] <Duc> The Tehno table in my garage came from Rohrbaugh. LOL
[13:49:49] <tiwake> meh, I'm just picky about the materials my stuff is made of, plastic is something I frown at... lol
[13:49:56] <Duc> Before the springs would last 100-150 rounds now I think its a couple grand
[13:50:31] <enleth> tiwake: do you know a guy called AvE who posts YT videos?
[13:50:39] <tiwake> no
[13:50:43] <t12> lol that guy
[13:51:27] <enleth> tiwake: well, he's a pretty good engineer and a pretty good jester who used to say the same thing about polymers, grouping them all under "meh, plastic"
[13:51:39] <enleth> then he was told about fibre-reinforced nylon
[13:51:59] <tiwake> oh well yeah, exotic plastics like that are kinda badass
[13:52:06] <Duc> there is some kickass plastics now days
[13:52:14] <tiwake> I've worked with similar as a machinist
[13:52:15] <Duc> and some last longer then metal frame pistols
[13:52:20] <enleth> and I'm pretty sure glock was one of the first companies using engineering plastics for guns
[13:52:36] <enleth> and they do use fibre-reinforced nylon quite a lot AFAIK
[13:53:06] <Duc> I think Im going to switch my carry from a 4.25 45acp single stack 1911 to 4.25 9mm double stack 1911
[13:53:27] <tiwake> 9mm 1911? that kinda sounds wrong
[13:53:36] <tiwake> lol
[13:56:05] <tiwake> alright, I'm picking my lazy butt up and going to replace the brakes
[13:58:10] <Duc> yea but 18 rounds
[13:58:15] <Duc> and AL frame
[14:00:05] <Loetmichel> tiwake: i had a friend a few decades ago who owned a colt.45 peacemaker replica... 12" barrel, 5 chambered drum and 1040m/s flat head kart steel jacket bullets...
[14:00:15] <Loetmichel> THAT was a hell of a gun.
[14:00:34] <Loetmichel> penetrated 38mm steel ... and kicked back like a mule ;)
[14:00:53] <tiwake> heh
[14:00:59] <Loetmichel> s/kart/part
[14:02:12] <Loetmichel> one time we were shooting on an army range (because civillian ranges here are not built to withstand that caliber)... and a soldier came over from another range...
[14:02:46] <Loetmichel> ... asking what we were doing there. we explained that we have the permission to shoot there... he told us that he is testing a new bulletproof vest...
[14:03:00] <Loetmichel> ... and asked if he could shoot on that with this gun..
[14:03:36] <Loetmichel> friend told him "no, you would fall over, but i can. But you can throw that vest away afterwards!"..
[14:04:09] <Duc> Yea I own a 20mm but that rarely gets shot due to the recoil
[14:04:32] <Loetmichel> he didnt believe us, so my friend shot on the vest... result: 12mm hole in the front... 1' hole in the back. and the dummy in between that disintegrated ;)
[14:04:41] * Bushman reactivated his 3D printing head and is printing some small parts
[14:05:14] <Bushman> ghetto 3D printer extruder FTW!
[14:05:16] <Bushman> :D
[14:05:26] <Duc> Loetmichel: thats a pricey mistake on the cost of a vest
[14:05:41] <Loetmichel> Duc: it was to be expected
[14:05:49] <Loetmichel> that rounds are armor piercing
[14:06:37] <Loetmichel> funny thing: they were sold by an american company as a "grizzly hunting sidearm"
[14:06:54] <Duc> I could see that. difficult to kill a grizzly
[14:08:51] <Loetmichel> really? i know that german police ammo tends to ricoceht from a wild boars head. BTST.
[14:08:59] <Loetmichel> but armor piercing?
[14:09:41] <Duc> think about a hog head. Thick at shit
[14:09:49] <Duc> as shit
[14:09:56] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: it's comedy radio with station mainly across the rust belt and south
[14:11:48] <Loetmichel> btw: thats what my car looked like after i had hit that wild boar: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5453
[14:12:25] <Loetmichel> it had broken legs and internal injurys but was still very much alive when the police showed up
[14:13:16] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: man, you're just having nothing but car trouble, hope things get better for you
[14:13:20] <Loetmichel> so they tried to kill it to relife it from the pain. ( the hunter that dose this normally was nowehre to be seen afer an hour)... they needed 4 bullets, the last one point blank into the eye...
[14:13:56] <Loetmichel> and that swearing policeman was REALLY funny
[14:14:40] <Loetmichel> "Shit ammo we get these days. maaan, thast outright dangerous (afer one bullet ricochet right by his ear).."
[14:15:04] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: look at the date on that pic. was a long time ago
[14:16:21] <Duc> its not even shit ammo just a freaking tough animal
[14:17:56] <Loetmichel> IIRC the ammo the german police uses is called "mannstoppend" because it is designed to come to a complete halt in the first soft target it hits.
[14:18:17] <Duc> ah
[14:18:18] <Loetmichel> so you can fire into a crowd and only kill the perpetrator, not the 5 pinnocents behind him.
[14:18:33] <Loetmichel> said behavior backfires tho if the target is "armored" ;)
[14:18:39] <CaptHindsight> that would never work here
[14:19:25] <Loetmichel> why?
[14:20:11] <CaptHindsight> policemen here often empty their clips without hitting the target and it requires brave policemen
[14:20:30] <Loetmichel> ah
[14:20:38] <CaptHindsight> we mostly have bullies now
[14:20:46] <t12> apparently there is a round designed to halt on drywall
[14:21:07] <t12> for raids in apartment building etc
[14:21:26] <Loetmichel> you know that german police as a WHOLE fired 85 bullets in 2011?
[14:22:21] <t12> lol
[14:22:25] <t12> us police fire that at one person
[14:22:26] <t12> GO USA
[14:22:31] <CaptHindsight> if you're black and scary then that about the number of bullets fired at you if you are holding a knife
[14:23:25] <t12> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChAtNYnUYAEKaaH.jpg:large
[14:23:38] <CaptHindsight> the police force has always had bigots here
[14:24:05] <Loetmichel> oh, weh have those as well
[14:24:07] <CaptHindsight> what gets me is when did they start hiring such wimps scared of everything so much they just shoot first
[14:24:16] <t12> how about
[14:24:18] <t12> hiring people who cant aim
[14:24:30] <t12> a while back some cops chased knife weilder into movie theatre
[14:24:34] <t12> fired many rounds
[14:24:39] <Loetmichel> you can get quite a beating here if you are at the wrong place at the wrong time (demonstrtations come to mind)
[14:24:44] <Loetmichel> but no deadly force. usually
[14:24:46] <t12> only one cop was hit with the other cops bullet
[14:24:55] <CaptHindsight> well it's hard to shoot straight when you're shaking in fear
[14:25:36] <CaptHindsight> oh hopped on on the excitement of shooting a black person
[14:26:20] <Loetmichel> i think thats the reason that the american cops shoo to much. how can a police officer have FEAR when on duty?
[14:26:57] <CaptHindsight> part of the culture
[14:27:01] <Loetmichel> i mena we have a few officers here that will never get the culprit because a bit fat and out of shape... but i know of none that would be shaking in fear if encountering an armed robber
[14:27:29] <CaptHindsight> they still spread bigotry here
[14:27:36] <CaptHindsight> dark skin bad
[14:27:54] <CaptHindsight> and if you shoot you'll probably get away with it
[14:28:27] <jonasthomas> hi.... Any experts on gantrykins around?
[14:29:24] <Loetmichel> i think one of the differences here in germany is that aside from some bullyism the german policeforce is respected by the citizens. so if there is a problem most "normal people" will side with the cops, not the robber.
[14:29:40] <Bushman> http://imgur.com/TuKRpP8
[14:29:55] <Loetmichel> also most of the policemen do it because of the "protect and serv" idea
[14:30:04] <Loetmichel> not to yield a gun and look big
[14:30:13] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: the real bullying started here after 9/11
[14:30:37] <CaptHindsight> they took advantage of the fear to more control and train people
[14:31:19] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine
[14:32:15] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: unfortunately much of them are just the opposite here
[14:33:39] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: did you see the madness last year on the news in Ferguson, Mo?
[14:33:47] <Loetmichel> gimme a hint.
[14:34:00] <Loetmichel> not all news make it over the pond
[14:34:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/09/ferguson-police-marines_n_5791112.html
[14:34:45] <CaptHindsight> it was absurd
[14:35:16] <CaptHindsight> the police we aiming automatic weapons at unarmed civilians to intimidate them
[14:35:40] <CaptHindsight> http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2039252/images/o-FERGUSON-POLICE-facebook.jpg
[14:36:19] <CaptHindsight> land of the free and home of the brave, NOT
[14:37:54] <CaptHindsight> it took about a year but the federal government did finally take action against their police department
[14:38:02] <enleth> well, you sure have to be brave to live there
[14:38:07] <Loetmichel> looks like that could happen here also. but without death.
[14:38:44] <Loetmichel> german police uses no guns against protestors. only tear gas, pepper spray and water jet tanks
[14:38:57] <Loetmichel> which is bad enough
[14:41:06] <CaptHindsight> lots of small town have machine guns, armored vehicles and even RPG's
[14:42:05] <CaptHindsight> the Pentagon sells their older weaponry for bargain prices to police forces and then orders brand new equipment
[14:43:14] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTVAY5RguFQ <- german police at dispersing a violent protest
[14:43:54] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: 70 years ago we came in a took down your fascists only to have them quietly take over here
[14:44:10] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: looks like it ;)
[14:45:10] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: a the sad part is that most haven't noticed or even care
[14:45:27] <Bushman> http://imgur.com/P4FWy4O
[14:47:10] <CaptHindsight> zurück an die Arbeit
[14:47:24] <Loetmichel> who?
[14:47:28] <CaptHindsight> me
[14:47:37] <Loetmichel> hihi, i am done for today
[14:48:01] <Loetmichel> tomorrow a bit more car repair, and then maybe a nice relaxing build of a 3dprinter ;)
[14:48:08] <CaptHindsight> I just need to make it to the post office in 90 minutes
[15:03:31] <_abc_> Hi. Seen this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/29/systemd_free_debian_fork_devuan_reaches_beta/
[15:03:45] <_abc_> I assume the next live linuxcnc edition will be devuan based ;)
[15:04:18] <_abc_> (please say yes here). linuxcnc live needs systemd like a hole in the head. "responsive desktop" mode on a real time machine? Maybe not.
[15:04:22] <_abc_> bbl
[15:05:05] <malcom2073> Rofl
[15:26:31] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/e5oZC4d.jpg
[15:26:35] <zeeshan|2> anyone seen these bolts for exhaust before
[15:26:49] <zeeshan|2> http://s.ecrater.com/stores/36412/4a8a84ca9b88c_36412n.jpg
[15:34:35] <malcom2073> Ugh yes zeeshan|2
[15:34:38] <malcom2073> my truck is supposed to have those
[15:34:41] <malcom2073> but oneof them fell off heh
[15:34:50] <zeeshan|2> i snapped both of them
[15:34:51] <zeeshan|2> as you can see
[15:34:51] <zeeshan|2> :P
[15:34:59] <malcom2073> Heh yeah they're pretty weak
[15:35:09] <malcom2073> Doorman help carries them
[15:35:12] <malcom2073> Dorman*
[15:35:24] <zeeshan|2> yea but i was hoping to find something now
[15:35:26] <zeeshan|2> but fuck
[15:35:28] <zeeshan|2> =[
[15:35:34] <malcom2073> NO Advance Auto/Autozone up there?
[15:35:44] <zeeshan|2> there is but they dont have the dorman part
[15:35:46] <zeeshan|2> in stock
[15:35:59] <malcom2073> Ah that bites, the local advance here carries the spring bolts
[15:36:13] <malcom2073> Well looks like you're going without a cat for a couple days :-P
[15:36:19] <zeeshan|2> loud as shit
[15:36:20] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:36:28] <malcom2073> heh
[15:36:40] <malcom2073> Tie a coffee can to the end of your tailpipe, people won't notice
[15:36:55] <zeeshan|2> im more worried about leaning the car
[15:36:56] <zeeshan|2> its turbo
[15:37:14] <zeeshan|2> cause itll be less restrictive now
[15:38:24] <malcom2073> You're not running closed loop? Just stay out of WOT
[15:40:24] <zeeshan|2> i want to beat on it
[15:40:28] <zeeshan|2> to see if the new turbo is blowing smoke
[15:40:30] <zeeshan|2> =/
[15:40:42] <zeeshan|2> i want to sell this pos!
[15:40:52] <malcom2073> Be patience young grashopper
[15:41:00] <malcom2073> and wait for the bolts of wisdom to arrive
[15:41:06] <zeeshan|2> might just machine some
[15:41:12] <malcom2073> Or you know.... do that
[15:41:44] <zeeshan|2> might just use a regular bolt and nut
[15:41:45] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:41:58] <malcom2073> You're selling it ,what do you care?
[15:42:02] <zeeshan|2> yea
[15:42:02] <zeeshan|2> thats true
[15:42:08] <zeeshan|2> i just dont wanna do it twice
[15:42:10] <zeeshan|2> hate doing crap tiwce
[15:42:21] <malcom2073> Put high temp threadlocker on it, only have to do it once :-D
[15:42:32] <zeeshan|2> honestly i dont think its even needed
[15:42:44] <zeeshan|2> spring just keeps constant tension so shit doesnt vibrate off
[15:42:59] <zeeshan|2> this exhaust is supported so much i dont think thats even going to be a problem
[15:43:07] <malcom2073> heh
[15:43:21] <malcom2073> It certainly ain't gonna fall off in the few weeks until you sell it
[15:43:54] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:44:00] <zeeshan|2> unethical :P
[15:44:12] <malcom2073> it *probably* ain't gonna fall off in the couple of years before itrusts out
[15:44:17] <malcom2073> Most exhaust bolts don't
[15:44:23] <zeeshan|2> yea
[15:44:28] <zeeshan|2> im going to bolt it :P
[15:44:35] <zeeshan|2> w/ some big ass washers
[15:49:55] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: looking at the bolts
[15:49:57] <zeeshan|2> they dont even need a shoulder
[15:50:04] <zeeshan|2> just get regular long bolts w/ 2 washers
[15:50:06] <zeeshan|2> and put the spring inbetween
[15:50:08] <zeeshan|2> call it a day :P
[16:02:30] <malcom2073> Nice!
[16:02:33] <malcom2073> Home depot!
[16:05:56] <mase-tech> Omg I just got my night cereal #feelsgoodman
[16:06:15] <mase-tech> Now I have finally free time
[16:10:06] <Deejay> gn8
[16:13:06] <Bushman> guys, has any of you used some sort of elapsed time tool for linuxCNC?
[16:14:01] <Bushman> or at least time calculator for a file?
[16:16:40] <Bushman> lol, i'm stupid... there's "run time" in propertied of loaded file
[16:16:41] <Bushman> :D
[16:17:25] <Bushman> i wonder if it takes acceleration into account?
[16:32:15] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: lol ok. was funny
[16:32:29] <XXCoder> doubted it was you, that guy used more texttalk
[16:49:10] <Tom_itx> _methods you around?
[16:49:19] <_methods> yo
[16:56:04] <CaptHindsight> he's still researching the raisin issue :)
[16:56:44] <_methods> haha
[16:57:35] <XXCoder> wow method is Doctor Manhattan
[16:57:57] <XXCoder> because guys working fully in irc chat and fully at his raisin issue
[16:58:32] <_methods> just finished my er40 collett chuck too
[16:58:34] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cy235guj03phcvx/2016-04-30%2017.13.46.jpg?dl=0
[16:58:39] <_methods> multitasking biotch
[16:59:09] <_methods> raisin launcher isn't in the pic though
[16:59:13] <_methods> that shit is top secret
[16:59:22] <XXCoder> aww
[16:59:26] <CaptHindsight> maginifique
[16:59:57] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to make an ER-41 holder :)
[17:00:24] <_methods> why not add another standard
[17:00:35] <_methods> thats the software engineer way lol
[17:00:42] <_methods> my er-41 is better
[17:00:43] <CaptHindsight> one bigger
[17:00:58] <_methods> er-42
[17:01:06] <_methods> the collett that holds all the answers
[17:01:07] <CaptHindsight> shit yah got me
[17:01:46] <_methods> gotta make a new spindle for my toolpost grinder for id grinding wheels
[17:02:09] <CaptHindsight> I guess the limit might be how big a number can you go and still have it printed in the holder
[17:02:09] <_methods> i guess i didn't get the spindles for that at the auction lol
[17:05:37] <XXCoder> er-42
[17:05:54] <CaptHindsight> er1000
[17:06:09] <XXCoder> er1000!
[17:06:21] <XXCoder> thats larger than universe probably
[17:06:49] <XXCoder> 1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 4.... x 1000
[17:06:57] <XXCoder> *5
[17:08:06] <XXCoder> if I recall, google calculator quits at 27! or something
[17:08:50] <CaptHindsight> holds the universe while it spins the tool around it
[17:09:16] <XXCoder> 100! is around 9.33^157
[17:09:46] <XXCoder> 150! is around 5.71^262
[17:11:05] <XXCoder> yeah google defineitely upgraded it. lol max it can do now is 170! which is around 7.26^306
[17:41:34] <XXCoder> known universe is only 1.844^29 mm long
[17:41:47] <XXCoder> making er1000! way too big to hold it
[18:14:14] <Sync> XXCoder: probably their limit is max double
[18:14:30] <XXCoder> possibly
[18:14:42] <XXCoder> though could use BIGINT lol
[18:15:02] <XXCoder> no point really its not like most people is yerning to know what 10! is
[18:15:11] <XXCoder> let alone larger numbers
[18:16:13] <pink_vampire> hi
[18:16:17] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[18:16:24] <XXCoder> hey pink wjhats up
[18:16:34] <Sync> well, 7.26^306 is close to max double
[18:16:49] <XXCoder> cool, bet next step is much larger lol
[18:18:30] <Sync> only 3 zeroes more
[18:18:44] <XXCoder> thats 1,000 times larger
[18:18:50] <XXCoder> in least. lol
[18:18:58] <Sync> yeah, but it is not a huge lot
[18:19:09] <Sync> compared to the rest
[18:19:33] <pink_vampire> I need some help with some model that I make
[18:19:44] <XXCoder> sure link away to pic
[18:20:04] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/LFmK656.png
[18:20:05] <Sync> 1000! is suprisingly large compared to 171!
[18:20:35] <pink_vampire> I need to mount on a din rail 3 arduino mega
[18:20:40] <XXCoder> Sync: yeah its like comparing universe to atom
[18:21:08] <pink_vampire> and use terminal blocks instead the headers.
[18:21:17] <XXCoder> I need to design a case for my t6560 lol, case cost over $100, which is weird because t6560 itself is very cheap.
[18:21:46] <Sync> use those rivet on din rail clamps
[18:21:59] <pink_vampire> Sync:
[18:22:05] <Sync> or use any generic rail mounted case
[18:22:40] <pink_vampire> my problem is how to mount the arduino vertically
[18:23:07] <pink_vampire> and i want the usb to point up
[18:23:41] <Sync> design an board that plugs into the header that makes it fit into some case
[18:24:28] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: look into motherboard mount bolts and umm whatever that thingy under motherboard is called
[18:24:35] <XXCoder> bolt that has screw hole on top
[18:24:57] <pink_vampire> stansoff
[18:25:22] <pink_vampire> http://www.akhilenterprise.com/wp-content/uploads/839.jpg
[18:26:57] <XXCoder> thanks!
[18:27:13] <XXCoder> I need to buy few of those too. uncertain how to tap and stuff though, never did those lol
[18:28:15] <pink_vampire> I need just the analog inputs.
[18:28:30] <pink_vampire> maybe 1-2 digital inputs..
[18:29:25] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/uxcell%C2%AE-Female-Standoffs-Spacers-Length/dp/B00AH8DEVW/ref=sr_1_11?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1462057381&sr=1-11
[18:29:31] <XXCoder> 5 bucks for 50
[18:29:34] <XXCoder> little overkill
[18:29:57] <zeeshan|2> finallllllllllllllllllllly
[18:30:02] <zeeshan|2> no more burning oil on the subaru pos
[18:30:04] <zeeshan|2> was the turbo
[18:30:09] <zeeshan|2> time to sell this POS
[18:31:03] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 take my advice and put it out front with the key in it..
[18:31:10] <zeeshan|2> no
[18:31:16] <malcom2073> Heh
[18:31:16] <zeeshan|2> i can sell this easily now
[18:31:21] <Tom_itx> any luck or did you try?
[18:31:27] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: go somehwere, leave engine on and door slightly ajar
[18:31:30] <XXCoder> go in store
[18:31:39] <XXCoder> full insured
[18:31:46] <zeeshan|2> any luck??
[18:31:47] <zeeshan|2> with what
[18:32:01] <zeeshan|2> my fiance helped me this time put the turbo on
[18:32:02] <malcom2073> Heh, here insurance doesn't cover you if you leave it running unattended :P
[18:32:03] <zeeshan|2> went a lot smoother
[18:32:13] <zeeshan|2> fuck insurance
[18:32:17] <zeeshan|2> they'll give me peanuts for the car
[18:32:25] <zeeshan|2> plus thats wrong to do
[18:32:27] <malcom2073> At least you won't starve
[18:32:30] <zeeshan|2> so why take the risk?
[18:32:39] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:32:44] <Polymorphism> RS DesignSpark Mechanical I like a lot, very intuitive. Onshape I couldnt figure out how to do anything. Fusion360 seems like a balance between both
[18:32:45] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: indeed. I was joking but I wouldnt do it
[18:33:04] <Polymorphism> malcom2073, all 3 seem like they might be more than I need? for desinging 2d control panels
[18:33:07] <Polymorphism> it seems like its all 3d
[18:33:17] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: They do 2d as well as 3d
[18:33:52] <malcom2073> If you're just designing control panels, you may be able to get by with something like inkscape then dxf2gcode
[18:33:53] <XXCoder> hm yeah I need some standoffs but I got no idea on what size would be good,.
[18:34:00] <XXCoder> and amazon has tooons of em, cheap
[18:34:07] <XXCoder> 50 peices for $2.59
[18:34:33] <Sync> zeeshan|2: #boostlyfe
[18:34:55] <XXCoder> ah it is m3
[18:36:46] <XXCoder> any reasonable cheap tap hole kit?
[18:38:08] <zeeshan|2> get a china one
[18:38:08] <zeeshan|2> they work
[18:38:10] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:38:33] <Sync> china türbos?
[18:38:34] <Sync> yeah
[18:38:35] <Sync> they work
[18:38:48] <minibnz> yay my motorized clamp work well.. had to wait for the devcon to set overnight.. and now i just tesed it.. put my finger in there and turned on the motor, it got to the point where it was uncomfortable then the motor started to stall out.. so i think it will work well at holding my bits and peices...
[18:38:55] <zeeshan|2> no china tap kit
[18:39:03] <zeeshan|2> ive never bought a china turbo
[18:39:08] <zeeshan|2> only garrett or borg warner
[18:39:17] <zeeshan|2> and now ihi :P
[18:39:25] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: harbour freight has em?
[18:39:35] <Polymorphism> http://blog.jongallant.com/2015/01/3d-modeling-software-maker-part-7.html
[18:39:38] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: i use the one from canadian tire for non machining related stuff
[18:39:48] <zeeshan|2> im not sure what your equivalent is there
[18:39:53] <XXCoder> ok
[18:41:05] <Sync> zeeshan|2: I have used two of them on our cogen units in the alps
[18:41:28] <XXCoder> "Can only set exact measurements when placing objects." 123d yeah that was why I rejected that one
[18:41:40] <zeeshan|2> ah
[18:43:16] <Sync> I had to balance the catridge, but that's it
[18:43:37] <Sync> been boostin' the lombardinis for 2 years now
[18:44:29] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Motherboard-Standoff-Threaded-Spacer-Thread/dp/B00X7BY1D6/ref=sr_1_4?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1462058291&sr=1-4
[18:44:44] <XXCoder> 3 mm screw and 3 mm hole
[18:47:24] <Sync> zeeshan|2: the reason why we are #boostlyf-ing the diesels is that the EPA equivalent here did not think about the air density at 10000'
[18:48:02] <Sync> so the engines don't make nearly enough power to keep our huts running
[18:57:34] <XXCoder> http://www.fakewindowsupdate.com/ + full screen
[19:01:14] <XXCoder> geez
[19:01:27] <XXCoder> 1600 fiber insulating fiber washers for $10.18
[19:01:46] <XXCoder> I would never run out
[19:02:11] <XXCoder> and 3200 for dollar more
[19:03:03] <malcom2073> I like how they're all "installing updates", but windows 10 is "installing windows 10", because that's just as scary :)
[19:03:57] <XXCoder> "your pc will restart severial times. sit back and relax while we break your pc"
[19:09:14] <Bushman> XXCoder: i see you're spreading the word :D
[19:09:20] <Bushman> g'nite guys
[19:09:25] * Bushman is gone
[19:09:32] <minibnz> break you pc is not the way i describe windows 10 install...
[19:09:46] <minibnz> more like it fucks your pc..
[19:10:14] <malcom2073> It's given me lots of work as IT though :-D
[19:10:19] <malcom2073> I've made close to $500 off it this month alone
[19:10:34] <minibnz> like seriously who thought forcing installs was a good idea.. i feel for the dumbarse that had windows 10 download on hid mobile hot spot while he was roaming..
[19:11:05] <malcom2073> minibnz: The worst is small businesses. They get upgraded, their software doesn't work. They find a way around it, but things break a month later so they call me. Oops, a month has passed by, no downgrades for you!
[19:11:32] <minibnz> its just rude... if nothing else...
[19:12:00] <malcom2073> It's presumptuous
[19:12:01] <minibnz> wouldnt be all that bad if the uninstaller actually worked..
[19:12:32] <minibnz> from what i hear most of the time undoing the install fails.. so they have to re-install from fresh...
[19:12:38] <XXCoder> malcom2073: agreed
[19:12:50] <XXCoder> lucky company company programs worked fine but yeah
[19:14:33] <XXCoder> any good? http://www.amazon.com/POWERTEC-20301-Horizontal-Quick-Release-Capacity/dp/B004JWGYIM
[19:15:01] <Sync> I have only ever bought destaco ones
[19:15:21] <minibnz> i am forced to used windows at work.. i hate it.. there has not been a day where i have not said fuck i hate this shite... the worst part is that i am running it on a mac and windows doestn deal well with the track pad.. i miss having a real mouse button...
[19:15:23] <Polymorphism> is a cnc what I really need???
[19:16:12] <XXCoder> heeey http://www.amazon.com/niceeshop-Holding-Capacity-16-7mm-Plunger/dp/B00G4RNKPU
[19:16:16] <XXCoder> horzional!
[19:16:23] <XXCoder> Polymorphism: depends on what you need to do
[19:16:33] <minibnz> <Polymorphism> do you want to make multiples of things? do you want to do complex shapes? answer yes to any of these then yes you cnc
[19:16:53] <Polymorphism> I want to make professional looking electronic product enclosures
[19:16:54] <minibnz> ARE you lazy like me?
[19:17:06] <Polymorphism> 3d printer looks interesting, but the result looks not so clean maybe
[19:17:09] <minibnz> CNC will make your life much easier..
[19:17:21] <Polymorphism> and cnc can also make proto pcbs...
[19:17:25] <minibnz> 3d printing is not for production its for one off's
[19:17:29] <Polymorphism> not too much 2.5d or 3d work
[19:17:37] <minibnz> yes you can carve pcb's on a cnc
[19:17:50] <minibnz> pink vampire does it regularly..
[19:18:07] <minibnz> all depends on the density of the pins on the design.
[19:18:36] <Polymorphism> I would like TQFP .4mm pitch
[19:18:40] <Polymorphism> ideally
[19:18:42] <Polymorphism> but would settle for less
[19:18:48] <minibnz> i would count on 0.2 track 0.2mm apart as being the smallest you can get without issues..
[19:18:53] <CaptHindsight> you need to have a cnc router first
[19:18:55] <Polymorphism> that would be perfect
[19:19:32] <minibnz> personally i prefer the print and etch method..
[19:19:56] <Polymorphism> can I just design a 3d part in fusion360 or rs DS mech that represents the face of the enclosure I will be milling?
[19:20:01] <Polymorphism> I dont really need full 3d
[19:20:16] <minibnz> if i need anything more dense than what i can print and etch then i get it done in china. unless i dont have the time...
[19:20:58] <Polymorphism> thatsd my plan
[19:21:04] <Polymorphism> this will just be nice for fast tests
[19:21:05] <minibnz> you dont need any of that stuff for panel work.. you could use open office.. draw the shapes (think paths) then save as DXF and process with DXF2GCODE.py script.
[19:21:05] <Polymorphism> http://www.tangentaudio.com/wp-content/gallery/cnc-elec-enclosure/full-assy-2.jpg
[19:21:31] <XXCoder> cnc.
[19:21:36] <minibnz> and for PCB's there are a bunch of gerber to gcode converters out there..
[19:22:09] <minibnz> nice lookin amp there..
[19:22:42] <Polymorphism> so thats what they meant by inkscape
[19:22:46] <Polymorphism> and dxf2gcode
[19:22:50] <XXCoder> lol I left windows 10 fake install and forgot about it. looked at it and its at 116%
[19:22:53] <Polymorphism> lol
[19:23:05] <minibnz> yeah use any program that can draw in mm's or inches and export to dxf..
[19:23:36] <Polymorphism> ok that will solvce my problem of milling the top and end panels of the enclosures
[19:23:44] <Polymorphism> what if I decided I wanted to make the enclosures from scratch
[19:23:47] <Polymorphism> from panels
[19:23:51] <minibnz> dxf2gcode then lets you select the shapes and set what cutter will be used at what speed and depth of cut.. you can set cutter compensation on so the holes will be the right size..
[19:24:21] <Polymorphism> and what about for PCB design
[19:24:36] <XXCoder> oh didnt know it BSOD when enter is hit
[19:24:38] <minibnz> same process. just draw the outline and then the mill will carve the part from the plate. you just have to work out how to hold the stock...
[19:24:53] <Polymorphism> I will use spoilboard
[19:24:54] <Polymorphism> + tape
[19:25:00] <Polymorphism> fore the end plates
[19:25:10] <Polymorphism> for the top of the box, I was planning to attach it to the spoilboard
[19:25:10] <minibnz> PCB's are easy draw as normal in eagle or altium export to gerber file then find a gerber to gcode converter..
[19:25:15] <Polymorphism> screw it on with the mounting fdlanges
[19:25:27] <Polymorphism> ah, that sounds easy enough
[19:25:53] <minibnz> thats basically how i am working at the moment..
[19:25:54] <Polymorphism> it doesnt sound like I even need to be deciding between RS DS mech, fusion360, onshape, etc
[19:26:08] <minibnz> not for your simple stuff..
[19:26:15] <XXCoder> ohhh http://thelawlers.com/Blognosticator/?p=1873
[19:26:24] <minibnz> they wil come into their own once you start to do complex shapes.
[19:26:25] <XXCoder> cnc router owners might want to read that
[19:26:59] <Polymorphism> bookmarking
[19:27:11] <Polymorphism> minibnz, you mean if I wanted to do 2.5d cutting
[19:27:20] <Polymorphism> or mill a lower, etc
[19:27:21] <minibnz> the only hard part about cutting out shapes it to remember the order of opperations.. ie do the center first then the profile..
[19:27:41] <jdh> you only forget that once
[19:27:51] <Polymorphism> I will take note of that
[19:28:00] <Polymorphism> minibnz, this is the work I'd like to do: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pk0AAOSwHgVW77ne/s-l300.jpg
[19:28:07] <Polymorphism> http://artfab.art.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dscn6119.jpg
[19:28:12] <Polymorphism> http://www.8020cnc.com/images/alu_engrave1_large.jpg ---- < this
[19:28:18] <Polymorphism> http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-1.jpg
[19:28:41] <Polymorphism> and if I get a large machine, maybe this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Kfiw_mT6bvQ/maxresdefault.jpg
[19:29:06] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, makes his enclosures from scratch
[19:29:09] <minibnz> yup all possible without touching 3d cad programs.. you just gotta use your brain and extrude them in your head..
[19:29:12] <Polymorphism> with a score and bend method I think
[19:29:22] <minibnz> darw 2d thinking 3d ...
[19:29:35] <Polymorphism> what machine do you use?
[19:29:53] <Loetmichel> minibnz: tell me about it. i do all my "cad" in Corel Draw 8
[19:30:18] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, is that how you design your enclosures?
[19:30:25] <Loetmichel> sometimes i DO need 3 tries to get a bend right... like this one:
[19:30:34] <minibnz> i have a seig X2 mill.. its a little baby of a mill but i have found its very capable.. i am working on adding a 18 tool tool changer but my prototype (made from plastic) is not strong enough..
[19:30:44] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16247
[19:31:03] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: yes
[19:31:24] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14489&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:31:39] <Loetmichel> that was a small enclosure for a transmitter
[19:31:39] <Polymorphism> aha, I see
[19:31:42] <Polymorphism> those are the tabs you bend
[19:31:52] <Polymorphism> so that it can all screw together
[19:32:04] <XXCoder> argh! cant find source of quoin clamps
[19:32:05] <Polymorphism> do you have a picture of the finished enclosure
[19:32:30] <Loetmichel> Sadly: no
[19:32:53] <minibnz> those clammps are nice lookin...
[19:33:19] <XXCoder> minibnz: very.
[19:33:44] <XXCoder> I'm now looking for rockler stops, looks handy
[19:34:31] <minibnz> like these http://www.rockler.com/rockler-stop-kit-for-rockler-t-track-system
[19:34:44] <XXCoder> yep
[19:35:07] <XXCoder> cant find quoin anywhere though
[19:35:50] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: there is a simple brass enclosure. folded and soldered and flat
[19:35:55] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16134
[19:36:45] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, very nice, ty
[19:36:59] <minibnz> XXcoder i guess you saw this link http://www.verycomputer.com/42_3281600ff77d92f0_1.htm they say try a printing place..
[19:37:11] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15862 <- thats a video projector... took me 2 tries to get all the holes in the right place ;)
[19:37:18] <XXCoder> minibnz: nope didnt find, thanks
[19:37:21] <Polymorphism> from 1997?
[19:37:26] <Polymorphism> lol
[19:37:35] <Polymorphism> maybe the advice is still good
[19:37:41] <XXCoder> yeah have to call
[19:37:50] <jdh> https://www.barplate.com/quoins.aspx
[19:37:54] <minibnz> yeah its refering to a 1995 catalog..
[19:37:59] <XXCoder> quoin should be more popular for cnc routers really
[19:38:02] <XXCoder> zero overhead
[19:38:30] <minibnz> jdh is the winner of can i use google :)
[19:38:33] <XXCoder> ow little high price
[19:38:43] <XXCoder> $68 for 3 inch
[19:38:56] <XXCoder> 100 bucks for 12 in one
[19:38:59] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: thats my workplace... designing a 12" touch TFT enclosure
[19:39:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15795&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:39:36] <Polymorphism> do you use bend technique for all of your enclosures?
[19:39:59] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16050&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- finished product
[19:40:05] <Loetmichel> yes
[19:40:28] <Polymorphism> it looks great
[19:40:46] <XXCoder> minibnz: I figured how it works
[19:40:51] <XXCoder> pretty amazing
[19:40:56] <XXCoder> https://letterpresscommons.com/files/2012/12/2.3.8-quoins-and-key-528x374.jpg
[19:41:14] <minibnz> oh wow straight gears..
[19:41:15] <XXCoder> as you turn key it expands
[19:41:32] <XXCoder> it stays parallel and are very strong
[19:41:35] <minibnz> and then locks when you remove the key..
[19:41:43] <minibnz> i like it...
[19:41:54] <XXCoder> not something I can make though
[19:42:00] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: do you have any idea hoe=w to reduce RF noise from my machine?
[19:42:18] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16134&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:42:18] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: not without seeing it
[19:42:23] <Polymorphism> no hole for power jack or UTP?
[19:42:24] <minibnz> pink_vampire whats the problem exactly?
[19:42:46] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: will be mounted on the outside of an Printer enclosure
[19:42:55] <pink_vampire> it's make RF noise all over the spectrum.
[19:42:57] <Loetmichel> power will be fed thur the open end
[19:43:16] <Loetmichel> rj45 just the same
[19:44:05] <pink_vampire> messes up the radio real bad.. :-(
[19:44:07] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Enclosure it in a mesh whos holes are smaller than the wavelength you're trying to stop?
[19:44:07] <malcom2073> :-P
[19:44:15] <XXCoder> minibnz: http://www.amazon.com/Challenge-Hempel-two-piece-wedge-quoins-Letter/dp/B007A27KH2
[19:44:15] <minibnz> pink_vampire if its the stepper noise. you can try twisting the phases together. ie twist Phase A- & A+ together then also do the same fro the other phase of the steppers. this will help with that noise. if you still have noise you can then switch to sheilded cables.
[19:44:40] <XXCoder> found it, it dont have nesscary enclosure and key
[19:44:53] <minibnz> not too bad..
[19:45:08] <XXCoder> useless without other 2
[19:45:30] <minibnz> they are for a letter press so they may not have an enclosure they might just jam inbetween two edges..
[19:45:36] <pink_vampire> these are DC brushed servo, not stepper
[19:46:09] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15341&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- there you can see the printer. in the middle of the table
[19:46:17] <minibnz> ahh thats right you did it the right way :).. guess shielded cables will be the option. but at least you only have to use 2 core sheilded..
[19:46:33] <Loetmichel> the converter will sit on the dangling plate that covers the electronics
[19:47:25] <minibnz> pink_vampire you can also feed your existing cables through a ferrite core to take out some of the higher frequencies..
[19:48:03] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: i do "reducing RF noise" for a living. but without seeing whats wrong with you machine its hart to guess which actions will be efficient
[19:48:36] <Loetmichel> minibnz: or use "folding ferrite cores" ;)
[19:48:49] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: I know the servos make A LOT of RF noise
[19:49:09] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: thats my Cinese spindle power cord... after i "silenced" it.
[19:49:25] <minibnz> the noise will most probably be from the PWM function of the servo driver.. if you reduce your drive voltage you might be able to reduce the noise but at the expense of overall power.
[19:49:27] <Loetmichel> before that mod i couldnt start the spindle without the steppers going wild
[19:49:42] <Loetmichel> -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12560&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:50:03] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12506&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- tahts how it looked before
[19:50:09] <minibnz> yeah the ferrit clamps are great.. lets you try things out easily..
[19:50:57] <Loetmichel> braided copper tube and two ferrit clamps did wonders ;)
[19:51:03] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: so it's just braiding that does the job?
[19:51:12] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, did you invent this method? or did you see it somewhere first
[19:51:13] <Loetmichel> not "just"
[19:51:17] <Loetmichel> its the combination
[19:51:18] <Polymorphism> score + bend enclosure, with cnc
[19:51:29] <pink_vampire> the broblem is the sparks from the brushes.
[19:51:46] <pink_vampire> *inside the motor*
[19:51:49] <minibnz> at my work we have been chasing all the noise sources on ou rig. and one of the things we did was to try clamping a few ferrites about the system.. then from that info we solved the problem at the PCB level.. but doing this had me thinking there is something rather wrong with our setup.. until i saw a photo of the compettions wiring.. that made my wiring look so neat and tidy..
[19:51:51] <pink_vampire> problem*
[19:51:57] <Loetmichel> "inventing" would be a way to high word. i have no bending brake. so i had to improvise. and that worked so well that we never bought one ;)
[19:52:55] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: its not. the bruses are inside a full metal enclosure
[19:53:02] <pink_vampire> what is the name of that braid? i'd like to find a supplier for that in the USA.
[19:53:13] <Loetmichel> the RF cant get out of the motor on another way than the cable
[19:53:35] <minibnz> pink i just know that stuff as expanding mesh braid..
[19:53:35] <Loetmichel> copper braid tube. pretty much anyone makes it
[19:53:42] <Loetmichel> ours is from alphawire
[19:53:49] <minibnz> or sleeve..
[19:53:51] <Loetmichel> (which is an american company)
[19:54:43] <minibnz> we use alphawire cables... mostly due to the insulation material not causing smoke when it burns. sensible rules for when working on planes..
[19:55:34] <pink_vampire> Do you know what model / specification from Alpha wire will be good to block out from 100 Khz to 1.5 GHz ?
[19:56:21] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: ^
[19:56:51] <Loetmichel> depends
[19:56:52] <minibnz> http://au.element14.com/belden/8660-00050/sleeving-tubular-wire-braid-3/dp/1238358/false dang.... thats expensive.. even for element14 50 feet $200
[19:57:02] <minibnz> but you can find that stuff on ebay probably..
[19:57:06] <Loetmichel> copper brad works well up to maybe 100Mhz
[19:57:12] <Sync> I just use shielded ölflex
[19:57:14] <Loetmichel> above that: use clamp ferrites
[19:57:18] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, what about this method https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2946/15166427247_f6bcce0084_z.jpg
[19:57:44] <Loetmichel> too much screws, Polymorphism
[19:58:03] <minibnz> a ferrite can surpress upto abouit 1ghz pretty easy.. and you can get wide band ferrites...
[19:58:37] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: my biggest problem is above 100MHZ
[19:58:44] <Loetmichel> minibnz: pro tip: if you want to increase the dampened band of a ferrite: put a winding thru it
[19:59:17] <XXCoder> minibnz: http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-Letterpress-HEMPEL-3-Quoin-w-key-E17-/231923697036?hash=item35ffbac58c:g:IioAAOSwZ8ZXDD-w
[19:59:19] <minibnz> yeah we do that in one of our protection boxes. it has 4 loops thru the ferrite to block the common mode noise.
[19:59:30] <Loetmichel> each winding of the cable you put thru will roughly double the upper frequency.
[20:00:35] <minibnz> XXCoder all the printing press ones are not going to have a housing.. i think they are used around the edge of the page being pressed.
[20:00:47] <XXCoder> yeah but I found plenty of em in ebay
[20:00:53] <XXCoder> seems nobody is making new ones.
[20:00:59] <XXCoder> or in least not cheap
[20:01:07] <Loetmichel> hmm
[20:01:07] <minibnz> it just means you need a second edge to press against..
[20:01:13] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: what about foil?
[20:01:25] <pink_vampire> or metal tape?
[20:01:26] <minibnz> foil does work but you need to ground one end...
[20:01:35] <XXCoder> yeah grounding helps a lot
[20:01:40] <minibnz> but its flimsy and will need protection.
[20:01:52] <Loetmichel> i dont see why one couldnt make a clamp like that out of sheet aluminium and for a torx key. should work reasonably well
[20:01:54] <minibnz> only grounding at the source end is the best way..
[20:02:07] <pink_vampire> the machine is grounded .
[20:02:25] <XXCoder> wire covering need to be grounded to make it effective fadaday cage
[20:02:28] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, what material are you using? and what thickness of material + depth of score for bend?
[20:02:35] <XXCoder> *faraday
[20:02:40] <minibnz> yes but the wire shielding should only be connected at the end that makes the signal. ie the servo driver or the power supply..
[20:02:45] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, or do you think I should continue my plan to customize the existing chinese extruded aluminum enclosure
[20:02:49] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: i use copper tape a lot.. it has some disadvantages when it comes to flexible cable: it isnt flexible after wrapping metal foil around it at all
[20:02:58] <Polymorphism> like this http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1W1bmHVXXXXaQXFXXq6xXFXXXV/-font-b-Aluminum-b-font-font-b-extrusion-b-font-font-b-enclosure-b-font.jpg
[20:03:18] <minibnz> if you connect both ends of the sheild it then becomes a conductor.. and does nothing to block the noise.
[20:03:20] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: probably yeah but nobody is making one
[20:03:46] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: hald od the material thickness for the score. and any material from 0,6mm steel over 1mm brass and 1,5mm copper up to 4mm aluminium
[20:03:55] <Loetmichel> half of
[20:04:10] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i meant with the mill
[20:04:21] <pink_vampire> the Y and the Z axis motors are stale and not move at all.
[20:04:31] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: yeah I suppose it can be done if had mill to make em
[20:04:50] <pink_vampire> what about just use metal tube, or copper pipe for them?
[20:04:58] <Loetmichel> never made a rig to make a part you needed to make a replacement part for a machine you long lost in the process of getting there?
[20:05:06] <minibnz> you can but thats not very flexible..
[20:05:16] <pink_vampire> minibnz: what do you mean??
[20:05:38] <XXCoder> lost what?
[20:05:52] <minibnz> if your wires need to move (ie like on the X axis) the pipe wont bend.. if it does it will break in time.
[20:05:55] <pink_vampire> minibnz: when you say: "if you connect both ends of the sheild"
[20:06:02] <minibnz> oh
[20:06:07] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: also copper tape with conductive glue isnt that cheap either
[20:06:25] <XXCoder> foil probably will work, if one end is grounded
[20:06:27] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: lost the machine you are doing a part for
[20:06:43] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: not too sure why you thought I lost machine?
[20:06:48] <XXCoder> I never owned a mill
[20:06:50] <pink_vampire> copper pipe will work?
[20:07:01] <XXCoder> yes for non-moving wires
[20:07:01] <pink_vampire> for 100khz to 1.5ghz?
[20:07:04] <minibnz> ok the sheild wire/braid should only have a connection to the ground at one.. the other end of the shield floats (ie not connected) if you connect both ends of the sheild to the ground it simply becomes another wire and does not stop the noise from escaping...
[20:07:33] <XXCoder> minibnz: so cover have to be isulated too I guess
[20:07:45] <minibnz> yeah it should be..
[20:08:25] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel, and you can handle all these materials with 6040?
[20:08:29] <Loetmichel> yes
[20:08:31] <minibnz> if not for noise for saftey.. that way if anthing cuts or breaks a wire inside the power gets grounded rather than flowing thru the human body that touches it
[20:08:33] <Polymorphism> .6mm steel, 1mm brass, 4mm alu, etc
[20:09:06] <pink_vampire> I will try it with aluminum foil
[20:09:48] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: it was a tale about handyman
[20:09:55] <XXCoder> ahh
[20:10:30] <XXCoder> sound kinda like that silly gift about lady and man selling what they love to buy gift to each other, relating to what they losy
[20:10:32] <minibnz> i was stuck in that spot a while back.. needed to print a part to finish my printer.. ended up buying a mill to make the part instead :)
[20:10:49] <Loetmichel> "you are no real handyman if you didnt make a tool to make a rig to make a part for a machine that is no longer in your posession because said work process started so long ago"
[20:10:53] <Loetmichel> get it now?
[20:11:37] <XXCoder> lol
[20:12:39] <Loetmichel> i caught myseld on the fith iteration of said process once ;)
[20:12:47] <Loetmichel> myself, fifth
[20:12:50] <alex4nder> I need Netflix on my mill console.
[20:13:37] <Loetmichel> alex4nder: i do it tha other way round. i play games on my Notebook while having the VNC connection to the CNC mill open...
[20:13:52] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15889&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[20:13:53] <Loetmichel> :-)
[20:13:55] <malcom2073> I'm on the.... third? Got a printer to make enclosures, got a mill to fix the printer, got the lathe to make the mill work
[20:14:46] <JT-Mobile> lol
[20:15:15] <alex4nder> Loetmichel: yah, that's a good approach
[20:15:30] <XXCoder> I'm still at just router :)
[20:15:45] <XXCoder> though I am still figuring some stuff like how to clamp parts
[20:16:01] <minibnz> i need a lathe... then i can complete my laser..
[20:16:10] <Polymorphism> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y4BJEX0/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957 how would I mill the end of that?
[20:16:14] <alex4nder> a mill is a lathe if you're brave enough
[20:16:21] <Polymorphism> assuming I had the clearance
[20:16:31] <Polymorphism> I'm not sure which method of making my enclosures makes the most sense
[20:16:44] <alex4nder> Polymorphism: the 'end'? what kind of holes are you trying to make?
[20:16:53] <Polymorphism> various shapes
[20:16:57] <Polymorphism> the longest end
[20:17:18] <Polymorphism> cutouts for components
[20:17:20] <Loetmichel> depends on your mill
[20:17:31] <Loetmichel> if all fails: make your mill horizontal
[20:17:35] <alex4nder> yah
[20:17:41] <minibnz> polymorphisim if all i had was a router i would make a section of the bed removable so i could sink the job down thru the bed..
[20:17:42] <Polymorphism> I'm going to pick the mill based on the best way to make the enclosures I'll need
[20:17:56] <Polymorphism> desktop router, really
[20:18:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14483 <- vertical
[20:18:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14486&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- horisontal
[20:18:16] <Loetmichel> horizontal
[20:18:24] <Loetmichel> its a bit loud tho...
[20:18:32] <Polymorphism> aha! I see xD
[20:18:35] <minibnz> ncie ..
[20:18:39] <minibnz> nice..
[20:18:45] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGNbgkg9O2Y
[20:18:56] <minibnz> yeah as good as a dremel is they are noisy as hell...
[20:19:07] <Loetmichel> especially in steel
[20:19:47] <XXCoder> sigh wish I bought router frame that uses 52mm spindles,
[20:19:56] <minibnz> most of the noise in tht video is cuz the metal is not really supported well.. if you had the lid on the box it would be a lot quieter..
[20:21:01] <JT-Mobile> Loetmichel slick
[20:21:33] <Loetmichel2> remember: "there is no try. just do or do not!"
[20:21:46] <minibnz> i made a belt drive mod for my X2 as the palstic gears were not strong enough and the metal gears were noisy as hell.. now i can run my mill in the middle of the night and not really bother my neighbours.. that still depends on the operation and the material being machined..
[20:22:32] <Loetmichel2> that "horizontal conversion" was shady at best. but what can you do if you need to rework two dozen Enclosures taht are made with the wrong plugs and button holes?
[20:22:40] <minibnz> ie fly cutting is noisy and large bits not supported completely are noisy but most other operations can be silenced by changing the depth of cut and feed speed to make them quite enough...
[20:23:27] <Loetmichel2> minibnz: try that on a 1m long square aluminium tube...
[20:24:00] <Loetmichel2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEd4LCJ3uWk
[20:24:34] <Loetmichel2> there is no way to silence THAT ;)
[20:24:35] <minibnz> yeah that aint going to be quiet regardless of what you do :)
[20:24:55] <minibnz> maybe apart from filling it with somehting..
[20:25:35] <minibnz> maybe you could slide a lump of timber inside to dampen it..
[20:25:43] <minibnz> that noise is nasty...
[20:26:43] <XXCoder> or hockey puck lol
[20:27:56] <Polymorphism> I am speechless
[20:29:08] <Loetmichel2> why?
[20:29:53] <XXCoder> hm
[20:37:39] <minibnz> oh i cant wait for next months pay to arrive.. two more weeks.. then i will order my mesa card... i had thought i was going to have a use for 50 somithing pins but now i am starting to find uses for the the others..
[20:38:16] <minibnz> i really hate monthly pay cycles.. its too easy to spend it all then you have to wait a month for more.. weekly or fortnightly would be so much better..
[20:38:57] <minibnz> all my bills get paid on time its just that i send all my walking around money too fast...
[20:39:24] <JT-Mobile> They are so flexible
[20:39:36] <minibnz> hopefully this month will be better.. worked more hours.. and have less existing things that nee to be paid..
[20:39:48] <Loetmichel2> minibnz: i just paid €3900 last month for car repair... tell me about red numbers on the account
[20:40:33] <minibnz> yeah i had to drop 2000 on car repairs last month.. tires and shocks.. this month it will be rego..
[20:41:18] <minibnz> oh and no buying $800 worth of tool holders and cutters... just a $160 mesa card thats all i have on my wish list for this month..
[20:41:48] <minibnz> oh and a hunting license...
[20:41:56] <minibnz> but thats only
[20:42:00] <minibnz> $75au
[20:42:34] <minibnz> just getting back into the black after my spell of unempolyment..
[20:43:12] <minibnz> was out of work for about 8 weeks and spent all my savings.. probablly should have controlled that a bit better but meh... its done now..
[20:44:14] <minibnz> oh thats right my shotgun might be arriving this month.. so that will be $600au dang im a going to be broke again...
[20:44:34] <XXCoder> what you hunting
[20:45:01] <minibnz> i probably should have been paying that off but there was a question of if they are going ot get banned so i didnt want to have too much store credit racked up..
[20:45:07] <minibnz> mainly rabbits and deer...
[20:45:12] <XXCoder> cool
[20:45:51] <XXCoder> only hunting I dont like is killing animals that is underpopulated, endangerended or rare
[20:46:07] <minibnz> foxes are always a target if you see them take them.. even if there is a nice rabbit near by... same with cats.. wil happily give up a 8 point deer to take out a ferrel cat any day...
[20:46:11] <XXCoder> feel free to hunt what IS threatening evorment, there is not enough predators for deer
[20:46:28] <Loetmichel2> rabbits in .au? that yould be killing pests, isnt it?
[20:46:29] <minibnz> yeah i agree on that... anything that is a introduced species or is plentyful...
[20:46:45] <minibnz> yup rabbits foxes and cats are pests..
[20:47:46] <minibnz> deer are sorta classed as pests but they are too tasty so they are limited to certain times of year for hunters.. pest controllers can hit them all year round.. tryng to get my pest license so i can take deer all year..
[20:47:57] <XXCoder> nice
[20:48:27] <Polymorphism> you milled any ar-15 lowers minibnz
[20:48:42] <minibnz> but also if i get the class C license i am allowed to shoot birds cats any pest animals and charge people/companies for the fun..
[20:49:39] <minibnz> umm no.. im in australia.. so even if i did have the lower the rest of the parts would be imposible to get here.. that and semi auto on a hunter license are banned.. also i would have to get a manufactures license to make my own...
[20:49:48] <XXCoder> bounty usually means people breed pest animals for money
[20:50:21] <XXCoder> minibnz: I remember one dumbass politician saying if guns are banned he will move to land of free OZ.
[20:50:23] <XXCoder> ummm
[20:50:45] <minibnz> i have a FX monsoon that is semi auto but its a air rifle.. i have worn out the action and need to replair it but i am not allowed to mill the action.. at all.. it must be done by a gunsmith..
[20:51:23] <Polymorphism> minibnz, oh, wow.
[20:51:52] <Polymorphism> here you just mill your own
[20:51:54] <Polymorphism> no questions asked
[20:52:02] <Polymorphism> this is no problem
[20:52:12] <minibnz> i wouldn't consider this if it was a powder charge rifle but its an air rifle.. so i still might do the repair.. need to make an insert to replace the part that has bent out of shape.. and that part has the serial number on it so i cant replace it without a lot of paper work.
[20:52:17] <Loetmichel2> and over here you arent even allowed to HAVE any semi auto
[20:52:18] <Polymorphism> you can't mill the action for an air rifle?
[20:52:30] <Loetmichel2> OR make any weapon youirself
[20:52:34] <Polymorphism> woah
[20:52:49] <Polymorphism> I can't imagine that
[20:53:02] <minibnz> cant make or repair any firearm... is what they tell me.. anything above sanding out dings and scratches..
[20:53:22] <Polymorphism> here you see ak-47 at a swap meets
[20:53:23] <Loetmichel2> can you belive that this guy getspestered why some gun control officials every so often: https://www.youtube.com/user/JoergSprave?hl=de&gl=DE
[20:53:34] <XXCoder> minibnz: take block of metal, call it lower and mill out bumps that seem to have filled it in. :P
[20:53:36] <minibnz> get found with a home made gun (no matter how good or safe* it is) and you are looking at 25years jail..
[20:53:57] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, I believe it lol
[20:55:27] <minibnz> XXCoder yeah that would get me in shit.. i would love to get a license to make guns.... i would have some really nice ones but wouldnt be able to use (beyond testing) or sell them.
[20:56:11] <minibnz> i am more into collecting skills and tools that i can use to make them for when things go to shit.. then i will start making them.. ie the zombie appocolypse or collapse of the govt..
[20:56:21] <XXCoder> "when"
[20:57:28] <minibnz> yeah when.. something is gonna happen some time.. its only a question of when.. not sure what it would be.. but i want to be out in the country when it happens.. it might not happen in my lifetime but its good to have half a plan.
[20:57:52] <malcom2073> s/might/probably
[20:57:54] <XXCoder> I'm not worried because I'm likely to just die anyway heh
[20:58:08] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: on the other hand: i had a slingshot in my youth that needed 45lb to pull fully. it could penetrate a street light all the way thru the perspex, the bulb, the reflector and out the 1mm steel hood when fired a 20mm ball bearing ball...
[20:58:08] <minibnz> wont take much to piss off china or indoneasia and have them come and invade AU for the land alone. they are getting pretty full over there...
[20:58:21] <Loetmichel2> that IS a deadly weapon in my bool
[20:58:25] <Loetmichel2> book
[20:58:29] <XXCoder> and ahve side of free deadly animals
[20:58:40] <Loetmichel2> so they have reason to look after him now and then
[20:58:47] <minibnz> have you seen the slingshot channel on youtube that german dude is a nutcase..
[20:59:00] <malcom2073> I want to do an AR15 and AR10 lower
[20:59:06] <Loetmichel2> minibnz: i just posted his channel link ;)
[20:59:09] <malcom2073> And upper
[20:59:12] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, thats dangerous
[20:59:14] <malcom2073> But I'm years away from that I think
[20:59:26] <Polymorphism> malcom2073, you can do it
[20:59:36] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: I have no doubt that I will be able to
[20:59:39] <minibnz> ahh yeah didnt click the link.. soz..
[20:59:45] <Polymorphism> malcom2073, lets do it this summer
[20:59:47] <malcom2073> But at this time, my skill set, machine set, and tool set isn't set up for it
[20:59:53] <XXCoder> interesting https://youtu.be/7VBVU3FNt-s
[20:59:54] <Polymorphism> exchange info
[21:00:05] <Polymorphism> I will mill it with 6040
[21:00:07] <minibnz> look at the ghost gunner it dont take that much...
[21:00:09] <malcom2073> Would be silly to embark on such a project only to have it fail and ruin an expensive block of aluminum :)
[21:00:16] <Polymorphism> thats true...
[21:00:25] <Polymorphism> hmm
[21:00:26] <minibnz> heheheh
[21:00:37] <Loetmichel2> minibnz: i know he is a nutcase. met him once. a funny nutcase tho, same as me ;)
[21:01:06] <Polymorphism> the ghost gunner... I saw that
[21:01:10] <Polymorphism> that finished as 80% lower
[21:01:51] <malcom2073> Heh, did about as good of a quality finishing as you would expect from such a cheaply built machine
[21:01:55] <minibnz> the ghost gunner takes about 4 hour to take a 80% to a complete working lower..
[21:02:10] <Polymorphism> does it need tool changes?
[21:02:15] <Polymorphism> or fixture changes
[21:02:25] <minibnz> i do like the video he did where he faked the hit to the head..
[21:02:34] <Polymorphism> couldnt you do the same with 6040 machine
[21:02:52] <minibnz> it only needs one flip to complete the lower... and does it all with one tool as far as i am aware..
[21:03:03] <malcom2073> But it's a long ass tool
[21:03:05] <minibnz> you certainly could do it with a 6040
[21:03:44] <Polymorphism> why start from scratch when lower is available
[21:03:56] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: Looks like the aluminum bar from an online metals place is about $80 for the size you'd need.
[21:04:00] <XXCoder> Polymorphism: bypass buying
[21:04:10] <Polymorphism> what about milling a mold
[21:04:15] <Polymorphism> and then casting aluminum blank
[21:04:19] <Polymorphism> and then milling to finish
[21:04:28] <malcom2073> If you had a quality foundry, sure.
[21:04:33] <malcom2073> But if you have that many millions of dollars of equipment....
[21:04:38] <Polymorphism> I'll follow that youtube guy
[21:04:46] <Polymorphism> witht he boat
[21:05:13] <minibnz> casting aluminium will save you time but the metal wont be a good as a billet...
[21:05:23] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com/a/Ro9C0
[21:08:45] <Polymorphism> nice
[21:29:40] <JT-Mobile> Xxcoder nice
[21:29:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:30:29] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMantiqs54 heh
[21:30:38] <XXCoder> yeti makes awesome videos
[21:30:54] <JT-Mobile> No putube for me
[21:31:24] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBDZtt0vWD8 moon version, what if it orbits at ISS orbit
[21:34:46] <Polymorphism> that was so odd
[21:35:06] <XXCoder> yeah it wont happen in reality there is rosche limit
[21:37:03] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8I25H3bnNw vsauce and yeti worked together
[21:37:08] <XXCoder> partytime
[21:40:11] <Polymorphism> lmao@ "how much water would it take to put out the sun"
[21:40:51] <XXCoder> heh imange seeing earth everday
[21:41:14] <Polymorphism> I wouldnt want to
[21:48:06] <minibnz> ok i gotta go.. talk qith you all later
[21:48:12] <XXCoder> later
[22:12:09] <XXCoder> http://thedailywtf.com/images/16/q2/e210/Pic-1.png lol
[22:12:28] <XXCoder> felony? "Yes" No" "I am a Massachusetts applicant"
[23:12:10] <Tom_itx> anybody use/try this? http://www.ctemag.com/products/rustlick-ultracut-380r
[23:41:07] <XXCoder> rustlick
[23:41:11] <XXCoder> heh