#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-26

[00:00:02] <djdelorie> well, she *was* a traveller :-)
[00:00:05] <Jymmm> There is BMP2GCODE too
[00:00:13] <Jymmm> Mombie!!!
[00:00:45] <djdelorie> I keep threatening to bring her box to events since my dad rarely leaves the house :-)
[00:01:18] <Jymmm> Well, you DID say you finished the cnc, maybe you should make up a few clones =)
[00:02:28] <djdelorie> I ended up with a lot of carved signatures, sure.
[00:02:33] <djdelorie> End result: http://www.delorie.com/tmp/carving.jpg
[00:03:06] <djdelorie> also, I made two clones, they're in college now... ;-)
[00:03:21] <djdelorie> (not exact copies, of course :)
[00:03:45] <Jymmm> since it's so shallow, laser engraved might have been better, but I get it.
[00:04:19] <djdelorie> the widths of the v-grooves match the width of the strokes of her actual signature
[00:04:24] <djdelorie> and I don't have a laser :-)
[00:05:15] <Jymmm> LMAO... it should read "Judith... WAS here"
[00:05:32] <djdelorie> (matching the widths was why I needed to write custom software)
[00:05:57] <Jymmm> Um, I've never had that issue
[00:06:24] <djdelorie> at the time, the plugin I could find only handled fixed-width strokes, not strokes that changed width along their length
[00:06:30] <Jymmm> That's the nice thing about V-Carving
[00:07:18] <djdelorie> actually, Inkscape itself only supported that feature in the devel releases
[00:08:38] <Jymmm> Well, for future reference... I would have taken the signature photo, do a vector scan, then vector to gcode
[00:09:12] <djdelorie> tracing it by hand wasn't that hard
[00:09:23] <djdelorie> converting to gcode was just software
[00:09:32] <djdelorie> getting the cnc machine running reliably enough was the tricky part
[00:09:33] <Renny> That's pretty beautiful, djdelorie.
[00:09:36] <djdelorie> thanks
[00:09:36] <Jymmm> fair enough =)
[00:10:15] <Renny> Yeaaah, for some reason this gcode isn't moving the Z axis at all. I'm glad I did a test run above the surface :P
[00:10:26] <Jymmm> Yeah, I do have to say that was a nice idea for sure
[00:10:49] <Jymmm> djdelorie: it turned out quite well
[00:11:02] <djdelorie> thank you :-)
[00:14:29] <djdelorie> Renny: I still have the conversion code if you're desperate...
[00:22:42] <Renny> Lol, djdelorie
[00:23:05] <Renny> The problem is none of the files I'm throwing at the printer are sending the correct stuff
[00:23:30] <Renny> Like this is file, it doesn't activate the Z axis when it says it does on the simulation thing.
[00:23:48] * Jymmm suggests pressing the PRINT option instead of throwing
[00:24:11] <Renny> :P
[00:24:26] <Renny> And this other file inverts two of my axes.
[00:24:28] <Jymmm> Um, can you run an MDI command to change z?
[00:24:54] <Jymmm> Or just make some gcode that does a 2" cube?
[00:25:08] <Renny> I can run a program that draws a circle
[00:25:23] <Jymmm> a circle aint a cube now is it =)
[00:25:24] <Renny> That's about it... That program runs just fine.
[00:25:40] <Renny> :P
[00:25:51] <Renny> All I have is an engraver tip.
[00:26:21] <Jymmm> I'm not sating actually engrave anything, just in mid air
[00:26:27] <Jymmm> saying*
[00:26:51] <Jymmm> this is all just troubleshooting
[00:27:54] <Renny> True.
[00:28:03] <Renny> ..how do I do this? :l
[00:31:16] <Jymmm> write the gcode manually?
[00:32:27] <Renny> lyep.
[00:33:51] <djdelorie> "desperate" I said...
[00:34:32] <djdelorie> could it be trying to turn a laser on/off instead of moving a cutter up/down ?
[00:35:29] <Jymmm> sidenote... Inkscape + GCodeTools https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N12_1nCTuWM
[02:03:54] <Flipp_> newbie machinist here... is there any reason why a mini lathe would have an astonishingly hard time cutting brass?
[02:04:05] <Flipp_> I'm... not sure what alloy it is
[02:04:22] <Flipp_> I got it from a scrap yard
[02:04:31] <Flipp_> it's a 1" tube (pipe?)
[02:10:45] <witnit> tool angle
[02:11:18] <witnit> Flipp_: do you have a picture or video of your tool and material by chance?
[02:12:23] <Flipp_> witnit: hm... sadly no, not offhand. I'll have to grab some footage tomorrow when my wife's not asleep O.o
[02:12:26] <witnit> Usually you can modify the "hook" and lower the cutting pressure on the surface of your tool
[02:12:48] <witnit> does it chatter?
[02:13:24] <Flipp_> it's not that bad if I use an indexable bit
[02:13:35] <Flipp_> but when parting?
[02:13:36] <Flipp_> oh man
[02:13:40] <witnit> you should be able to get the best cut with HSS
[02:13:50] <Flipp_> I can't even get through 1/8" brass tube :(
[02:13:53] <witnit> because you can control the angle of your tool and sharpness
[02:14:00] <witnit> your tool is set wrong
[02:14:08] <witnit> you should have no problem turning brass
[02:14:16] <Flipp_> that's what I was thinking :(
[02:14:22] <Flipp_> and why I started with it
[02:14:34] <witnit> you should look up a machinability chart
[02:14:38] <witnit> I will find you a good one
[02:16:18] <Flipp_> I'm using a parting tool (a 1/2" blade of HSS) but am getting some insane chatter and noise, to the point where I'm afraid to keep going
[02:16:58] <Flipp_> my first thought was that there was some backlash somewhere that was causing issues
[02:17:15] <Flipp_> it's an old mini mill from HF (new to me)
[02:17:45] <Flipp_> so I took the thing apart, spent a couple hours adjusting the gibs, cleaning the ways, and all that
[02:19:38] <archivist> some bronzes are nasty to turn :)
[02:20:18] <Flipp_> even facing with hss/indexable bit is actually causing the whole setup to... flex? I dunno, not the right term probably
[02:20:42] <Flipp_> but if I do a facing pass on the tube, it'll work
[02:20:51] <Flipp_> but leave a super sharp part sticking out
[02:21:01] <Flipp_> and if I run it the opposite way
[02:21:30] <archivist> hand ground very sharp tools needed
[02:21:45] <Flipp_> without moving in z
[02:21:52] <Flipp_> it cuts again
[02:22:24] <Flipp_> archivist: for brass? O.o
[02:22:30] <archivist> yes
[02:22:43] <Flipp_> I was under the assumption brass was most of the times easier to machine than aluminum?
[02:23:03] <archivist> most carbide is not sharp enough
[02:23:29] <archivist> you need a flat or negative rake
[02:24:54] <Flipp_> I have some cheapo china cemented carbide bits that have zero rake too, but those don't do much better :/
[02:25:02] <Flipp_> *any
[02:25:38] <Deejay> moin
[02:26:05] <unfy> \o deejay
[02:26:17] <Deejay> o/
[02:27:53] <Flipp_> archivist: any tips on parting the brass? that's what's really giving me the worst trouble O.o
[02:27:58] <archivist> Flipp_, the edge is not truly sharp, get some hss and grind it on a bench grinder
[02:28:20] <Flipp_> my hss cutoff blade starts chattering and begins to make horrible noises
[02:28:28] <Flipp_> are cutoff blades supposed to have a positive rake?
[02:28:33] <Flipp_> mine's zero
[02:28:44] <archivist> flat top for brass
[02:29:42] <Flipp_> ack, accidentally closed the window
[02:31:00] <archivist> chatter on a tiny lathe is sort of normal, but should be avoided, slow down
[02:31:43] <archivist> chatter is a sign of machine, tool and part flexing
[02:32:10] <witnit> often it can be better to run your lathe in reverse and put your cut off upside down
[02:32:22] <Flipp_> witnit: aye, I'm doin' just that :)
[02:32:24] <archivist> and if the flex is the wrong way it digs in then springs back making it worse
[02:33:07] <archivist> machines have to be really solid to avoid this sort of problem
[02:33:08] <Flipp_> archivist: agreed. I've tried to get everything clamped down gib-wise
[02:33:31] <Flipp_> archivist: true. this mini-mill is probably not the best... bought it for $300 from a friend
[02:33:33] <archivist> work closer to the chuck too
[02:35:27] <Flipp_> how much of an effect does the tool possibly being off center have?
[02:36:12] <Flipp_> obviously a lot is bad, but does it have to be *exact*, or is "very close" acceptable enough not to cause outrageous chatter?
[02:38:14] <Flipp_> also: would turning between centers help?
[02:38:30] <Flipp_> or at least supported by a center in the tailstock?
[02:38:35] <witnit> you should probably lock down your traverse with some clamp
[02:38:54] <witnit> I just assume it has tons of play in the slides
[02:39:28] <Flipp_> I have the power feed in neutral and clamped pretty tight
[02:39:50] <Flipp_> but I'm sure there is a tiny bit of play in the crossfeeds
[02:41:13] <Flipp_> I've made sure to align the cutting blade to the chuck face too
[02:45:26] <witnit> maybe a thinner cut off is better now, how wide is it?
[02:52:18] <archivist> I use something a 25 thou wide on the small lathes
[02:52:35] <archivist> and take multiple bites
[02:52:54] <archivist> to clear space for the chips
[03:01:14] <witnit> another option for guys with small lathes, if they are parting often they will use a slitting saw
[03:02:10] <archivist> hacksaw reverse and clean up
[03:54:50] <unfy> LOL ?
[03:55:07] <minibnz> i have been busy building my tool changer pallet.. its almost done, just have to mount a bunch of magnets to pull the tools out of the collet. and make the arm go in and out..
[03:56:06] <archivist> I would not be using a magnet
[03:56:26] <minibnz> why not? apart from shavings getting stuck there i cant think of a reason not too..
[03:56:39] <archivist> magnetised toolholders will be a nightmare of stuck chips
[03:56:59] <minibnz> ahhh i see... didn't think of that part..
[03:57:38] <minibnz> ok i will machine up some hooks/slots that will hold them down..
[03:58:35] <minibnz> i have a mixture of tormach and chinese clone tool holders so i need customised holders to suit each type.. its not too bad
[03:59:21] <archivist> I am still using mandraulic tool change :)
[03:59:28] <minibnz> heheheh
[04:00:26] <archivist> I have the quick change for the lathe but that gets covered in chips screwing accuracy too
[04:01:34] <minibnz> i wont be using the larger drill chucks in the tool changer, i got all three sizes but they are too large for my mill, anything bigger than a 6mm drill is too long to be useful in auto setup.. so i will keep those for drilling by manual change..
[04:02:36] <minibnz> is there anythign that can be done about this logger thing?
[04:03:07] <archivist> needs an op to ban it for a while
[04:12:02] <minibnz> damn russian loggers....
[04:13:10] <archivist> owner is not logged in to see the mess
[04:13:19] <archivist> !seen psha
[04:13:20] <the_wench> last seen in 2015-01-03 21:34:12GMT 838:59:59 ago, saying Remote host closed the connection
[04:30:58] <archivist> impossible to search for the admin email for psha.org.ru
[04:32:57] <mase-tech> good moring people
[04:33:41] <archivist> any russian readers? see https://www.nic.ru/cgi/whois_webmail.cgi?domain=PSHA.ORG.RU
[04:33:55] <archivist> to contact the logger owner
[04:36:12] <mase-tech> sorry no
[04:36:18] <mase-tech> archi
[04:36:29] <mase-tech> I decided the way to go
[04:36:41] <mase-tech> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[04:36:48] <mase-tech> I will build this thing
[04:36:58] <mase-tech> this cnc
[04:37:06] <mase-tech> uses 5 nema 17
[04:37:31] <mase-tech> can emc2 drive this cnc printer ?
[04:37:51] <mase-tech> because it ahs 5 axis
[04:37:55] <mase-tech> has
[04:38:04] <mase-tech> ban the logger
[04:38:12] <archivist> 1 it is called linuxcnc now, 2 what printer
[04:38:31] <mase-tech> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[04:38:42] <mase-tech> look this it the thing I want to build
[04:38:52] <mase-tech> the maker uses arduino and ramps
[04:38:57] <mase-tech> to drive the motors
[04:39:05] <mase-tech> so I want to change this
[04:39:19] <mase-tech> i want to use tb6560 with Linux cnc
[04:40:16] <archivist> why that design, that it only suited to 3d glue guns
[04:40:28] <mase-tech> I can machine wood and alu
[04:40:35] <mase-tech> and it is budget
[04:40:43] <mase-tech> I would buy something else
[04:40:58] <mase-tech> but I can finally start to do something with cnc
[04:41:05] <mase-tech> and start to prog linux cnc
[04:41:19] <archivist> I would not use that for any machining, not rigid enough
[04:41:36] <mase-tech> If I have money I would go this way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[04:41:45] <mase-tech> I can recommand this video it is a blast
[04:42:02] <mase-tech> archi u are probaly right
[04:42:24] <mase-tech> But I took weeks and thinking on what to do
[04:42:41] <mase-tech> and it is like I am limited on money
[04:43:08] <mase-tech> I cannt spend 2000 euro to have something proper
[04:43:13] <mase-tech> thats my problem
[04:45:16] <archivist> I made my mill from parts of old machines and scrap
[04:46:04] <mase-tech> I can spend at max 600 euro for everthing
[04:46:07] <mase-tech> so
[04:46:12] <mase-tech> and even then
[04:46:42] <mase-tech> If i buy something old I cannt judge it because of lack from experirience
[04:46:51] <mase-tech> so i will build http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[04:47:38] <archivist> something old can be far better than thingiverse junk
[04:47:47] <mase-tech> yes
[04:47:49] <mase-tech> agree
[04:48:10] <mase-tech> but then I have to look more and more
[04:48:32] <mase-tech> 2 weeks almost fulltime looking dont bring me ahead
[04:48:37] <mase-tech> I want to build
[04:48:50] <mase-tech> And I will build this thing
[04:48:59] <mase-tech> I maybe is junk
[04:49:02] <mase-tech> it
[04:49:08] <archivist> you have chosen the worst to build though
[04:49:17] <mase-tech> ok
[04:49:27] <mase-tech> but I can afford it
[04:50:11] <mase-tech> show me useable junk for 600 euro
[04:50:40] <archivist> mase-tech, my mill cost less
[04:50:57] <XXCoder> hhhheys
[04:51:58] <mase-tech> XXCoder: good mornig my friend
[04:52:07] <XXCoder> whats up
[04:52:09] <mase-tech> look this http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[04:52:16] <mase-tech> I think I build it
[04:52:23] <mase-tech> because I can afford it
[04:52:54] <XXCoder> cool :)
[04:54:23] <mase-tech> question
[04:54:34] <mase-tech> on http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[04:54:45] <mase-tech> is driven by arduinocrap
[04:54:48] <archivist> please look for something better
[04:55:10] <XXCoder> t6560 is better than auduino but not by super lot
[04:55:26] <XXCoder> cheap though
[04:55:44] <mase-tech> can I drive the 5 axis with linux cnc
[04:56:01] <XXCoder> I assume so, it has more than 5 axis defined
[04:56:09] <mase-tech> ok
[04:56:55] <mase-tech> super
[04:57:06] <XXCoder> t6560 is 3 axis though lol
[04:57:10] <XXCoder> have to find something else
[04:58:40] <mase-tech> 4 axis at max
[04:58:44] <mase-tech> u are right
[04:58:48] <mase-tech> cant use
[04:59:11] <XXCoder> actually youre right there is some 4 axis, mine is 3 axis only though lol
[05:00:02] <mase-tech> no money is a pain in the as
[05:00:18] <XXCoder> always is
[05:01:46] <XXCoder> I may be wrong on number of axis for linuxcnc
[05:01:56] <XXCoder> archivist: how many axises can linuxcnc run
[05:02:02] <minibnz> I have a 5 axis tb6560 driver board and it works ok the opto's on there are slow.. and i think linuxcnc can support uptio 9 axis
[05:02:15] <XXCoder> cool
[05:02:17] <archivist> 9
[05:02:48] <XXCoder> if we ever access 4th dimension (not time) those axis will be handy ;)
[05:03:06] <mase-tech> do we have a cam/cad tool to use 9 axis ?
[05:03:23] <XXCoder> fusion 360 is pretty much free till you make 250k
[05:03:28] <XXCoder> not too sure if year or what
[05:03:50] <minibnz> archivist looks like i am going to have to build me a big demangnetizer for my collet holders.. i just realized that i cannot add hooks to pull them out of the spindle.. magnets unless i make some sort of side gripping clamping doo dad..
[05:04:36] <archivist> some have spring grips I think
[05:05:03] <minibnz> i use 4th axis but i have to hand code the gcode for that.. looking into hsm express as a cam output from solidworks but requires newer version of SW than i have..
[05:05:47] <XXCoder> minibnz: fusion 360 can do it but you can only save to cloud
[05:05:56] <XXCoder> from what I see anyway
[05:06:09] <minibnz> i could do the spring loaded grips but that means making 18 sets of them and adding some release mech..
[05:06:10] <archivist> most 4/5 axis work will have to hand coded except for some art type stuff where one swaps axes over
[05:06:49] <minibnz> XXCoder i am allergic to the cloud.. its bullshite.. i hate it.. its not required.. its like getting a loan when you have the $$$ in your pocket
[05:06:58] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:07:13] <archivist> cloud cuckoo land
[05:12:36] <XXCoder> im curious though
[05:12:47] <XXCoder> do all cad/cam packages need more than 256 mb video memory?
[05:12:58] <minibnz> hahahahah
[05:13:28] <XXCoder> ?
[05:13:43] <minibnz> i run solid works 2010 on my 2005 macbook laptop in a virtual machine running windows. its a little slow but at times but its workable..
[05:13:57] <XXCoder> not bad
[05:14:05] <XXCoder> fusion 360 I cant run with 3d acceration
[05:14:14] <XXCoder> I have to make do with 256 mb virtual vram
[05:14:16] <minibnz> now what i have been told is that SW2012 is a resource whore
[05:14:48] <minibnz> and thats the min req for HSM request
[05:14:54] <minibnz> hsm express
[05:15:02] <minibnz> dunno what i was thinking there..
[05:15:29] <XXCoder> its apparently by same company as fusion 360
[05:16:17] <minibnz> cam programs is where the $$ is at..
[05:16:37] <XXCoder> ism hsm express also cam?
[05:16:43] <XXCoder> in fact website says so
[05:17:32] <minibnz> i am scraping by with free scripts/programs at the moment but thinking i will have fork out for some real software.. and maybe some new hardware.. 11years is a good life for a laptop in my hands.. i doubt the new one will last this long..
[05:17:46] <XXCoder> dont get a laptop
[05:17:48] <XXCoder> get a pc
[05:17:55] <XXCoder> pc ylasts years
[05:18:07] <minibnz> i have a new apple desktop sitting in the box..
[05:18:10] <XXCoder> mine lasted 9 years and its not retired but re-tasked as linuxcnc machine now
[05:18:28] <minibnz> i do most of my work on my laptop. i need to setup a desk and stuff so i can use my desktop more.
[05:18:31] <archivist> hand code, no crutches needed, free
[05:18:42] <malcom2073> Psh my laptop is on year 8.... Though it is starting to physically degrade heh
[05:18:50] <XXCoder> malcom2073: mines at 14
[05:18:57] <XXCoder> no, 13
[05:19:12] <XXCoder> still works fine, though battery is LOOOOOOONG dead.
[05:19:14] <minibnz> archivist i have a bezzer curve that i wants on the spline of a shaft can you hand code that for me?
[05:19:15] <malcom2073> I still do 3d modeling and gaming on mine.
[05:19:37] <malcom2073> Heh my battery is good, I bought a new one about 4 years ago. Replaced the screen too
[05:19:42] <XXCoder> though laptop is semi-retired. I used it to test linuxcnc and stuff
[05:20:56] <malcom2073> Wow the logger is angry
[05:21:10] <archivist> minibnz, you can play with splines see G5
[05:21:41] <minibnz> hehehe i cant make G3 work right :)
[05:21:50] <minibnz> let alone G5 :)
[05:21:54] <archivist> :)
[05:22:50] <minibnz> i can hand code a lot of the things i want.. but arc's do my head in so i let the DXF2gcode python script handle those.
[05:23:22] <archivist> minibnz, I often cheat anyway, a bit of thinking and the relative curve of some movement is a simple step by step move, eg the involute
[05:24:43] <minibnz> if i really get stuck i can go ask my mate's wife she can code gcode in her sleep.. might have to get her to give me some lessons..
[05:25:30] <archivist> so a tapered involute on a bevel gear is some crafty coding and A B coordinated moves
[05:26:03] <archivist> and a simple straight sided v cutter
[05:26:27] <minibnz> when i wants to do that i draw the gear in solid works and mark out all the angles and offsets so i can usually get away with a straight/ball cutter
[05:26:43] <minibnz> its gets a bit complicated but its not impossible,
[05:27:33] <XXCoder> it helps when you have free cnc sim
[05:27:40] <XXCoder> camotics is great on that
[05:27:41] <archivist> minibnz, sometimes a picture is all it needs http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK2918/page_0087t.jpg
[05:27:42] <minibnz> i have to make a end/tail stock for my 4th axis it has a little wobble in it.. its kinda anoying i know its there but it doesnt stop me from using it...
[05:27:50] <XXCoder> despate its strange bug of always default to running backwards.
[05:32:30] <minibnz> jymmm can you fix that logger please..
[05:32:49] <minibnz> ^^^^ him...
[05:33:59] <XXCoder> whats logger do
[05:34:12] <Jymmm> XXCoder: it's someones personal logger
[05:34:12] <minibnz> yeah your the best jymmm...
[05:34:36] <archivist> it actuall a public logger
[05:34:48] <archivist> but broken
[05:34:59] <XXCoder> what was it doing?
[05:35:23] <archivist> http://psha.org.ru/irc/
[05:35:42] <minibnz> recording our chats to see whan we start copying russian missles..
[05:36:18] <archivist> no, he is/was a linuxcnc user
[05:36:31] <XXCoder> geeez
[05:36:38] <XXCoder> I found myself in dec 2014
[05:36:43] <XXCoder> been here that long?
[05:37:09] <archivist> change the url to 2016 for current data
[05:38:01] <XXCoder> oh yeah ichgucklive
[05:38:13] <XXCoder> wonder whats happening with him. still ranger of some kind I guess
[05:38:13] <archivist> not him
[05:38:25] <archivist> psha is the user
[05:38:38] <XXCoder> archivist: not talking about logger at all :)
[05:39:25] <archivist> he went to some off the internet wildeness camp
[05:39:35] <XXCoder> indeed
[05:39:41] <XXCoder> said he'll be there for some years
[05:39:46] <XXCoder> well its been 2 years
[05:40:04] <XXCoder> or whatever was his last day here was. not sure when that was
[05:40:35] <XXCoder> hey
[05:42:02] <mase-tech> hoi
[05:50:37] <minibnz> i have a magnet question... if i am to use two magnets to hold my toolholders in their pockets on the pallet, should place the magnets next to each other or spread them apart? then also do i point them both in the same direction (ie north north, south south) or swap them? (ie north south) i want the max holding force...
[05:51:58] <minibnz> i will build a demagnetizer that i can pass the collet holders thru every now and again to prevent them gathering chips.. i have no other way to pull them from the collet in the spindle..
[05:51:58] <XXCoder> minibnz: there is strange magnet configuration that is MUCH stronger one side than other
[05:52:21] <XXCoder> lemme find simple graphics
[05:52:29] <minibnz> sweet i like simple :)
[05:52:56] <XXCoder> https://www.kjmagnetics.com/images/blog/halbachvsalt.png
[05:53:09] <XXCoder> notice one side is MUCH stronger than another
[05:53:16] <XXCoder> use halbach array
[05:53:46] <XXCoder> essentally, rotate N side up, leftm down, right, and repeat
[05:57:45] <minibnz> ooo nice..
[05:57:52] <XXCoder> yeah.
[05:58:12] <minibnz> i just did a test and one of these little magnets is enough to ensure the tool is out of the collet.. :)
[05:58:13] <XXCoder> there is 2d plane version of that too but not too sure what desighn is
[05:58:35] <XXCoder> nice
[05:58:51] <minibnz> now i have to mill out 18 pockets for the magnets and get to the shop to buy some more..
[06:30:44] <minibnz> first 8 magnets are glued in place.. just gotta wait for the epoxy to go off fully before i can test it..
[06:31:15] <minibnz> still have to work out how to make the arm swing in and out.. i have it on a pivot just need to automate it..
[06:32:40] <minibnz> wondering if a RC servo will have enough power to do the job.. or if i should use a wormdrive of some sort..
[06:46:10] <minibnz> oh i thinks i has a problem.. my tool holder trays are made from perspex and i think they are sagging so the tool holders are not striaght... might have to make them all out of aluminium and stop the sag..
[06:46:41] <minibnz> might be a job for a water cutter.. or a laser maybe..
[06:46:54] <minibnz> laser for steel water for alu
[06:54:16] <mase-tech> maxcnc is expert for laser
[06:55:01] <mase-tech> maxcnc teached me lasertechnic 1 - 3
[06:55:10] <mase-tech> he was my prof :D
[06:55:54] <mase-tech> minibnz: what u willing to pay ?
[06:55:58] <minibnz> i will just get this sent to a shop to be cutout its all the same thickness and weight might be a good thing...
[06:56:14] <minibnz> im in australia so postage will kill me..
[06:56:40] <mase-tech> Ask maxcnc he knows everything about laser
[06:57:18] <minibnz> ive no idea how much it would cost i am thinking water cutting as the shapes simple but a bit large for my mill to do in metal.. would take me an age..
[06:58:34] <minibnz> there are three parts/shapes two circles and 18 wedges the rest i can make placed right in a sheet wouldnt be more than 1m sq
[06:59:30] <minibnz> probably get it in the same thing again 6mm probably a bit heavy but its not a problem if it is.
[08:25:54] <minibnz> anyone know how to make the GUI open a certain size? my display wont show me the entire axis window so the errors ae off the bottom of the screen.. want to make it a bit shorter.
[08:28:25] <mase-tech> what is this telling 5/16-18 Threaded Rod
[08:28:34] <mase-tech> 18 inch lenth ?
[08:28:37] <JT-Shop> which gui?
[08:32:40] <archivist> mase-tech, turns per inch
[08:36:53] <mase-tech> -.- things could be easier
[08:37:07] <mase-tech> archivist: but thanks
[08:37:47] <mase-tech> so how long ist this rod ?
[08:38:37] <mase-tech> I am german I use metric
[08:38:40] <_methods> that doesn't tell you the length
[08:38:47] <mase-tech> I need to buy a threaded rod
[08:38:48] <_methods> it only tells you the diameter and the pitch
[08:38:52] <mase-tech> M8 most likely
[08:39:12] <mase-tech> so I need to know how long
[08:39:19] <_methods> yes
[08:39:48] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: what are you trying to do?
[08:40:24] <_methods> he's obviously trying to screw something
[08:40:26] <_methods> lol
[08:40:30] <mase-tech> I have a list to buy which american measurements
[08:40:53] <mase-tech> I am german so I have to translate
[08:40:56] <pink_vampire> list for what?
[08:41:11] <mase-tech> building a maschine
[08:41:49] <pink_vampire> washing machine?
[08:42:00] <mase-tech> so the threaded rod will be the movement for z axis
[08:42:34] <pink_vampire> do you have any cad model / drawings?
[08:42:44] <mase-tech> yes
[08:43:04] <mase-tech> you are interessed ?
[08:43:11] <pink_vampire> yes..
[08:43:27] <mase-tech> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[08:43:40] <mase-tech> so how long is it ?
[08:44:01] <pink_vampire> let me download the file
[08:44:14] <mase-tech> 5 times 1 inch ?
[08:44:24] <archivist> is 1"=25.4mm missing from your education
[08:44:45] <mase-tech> that rude archivist
[08:44:55] <mase-tech> I know how long 1 inch is
[08:45:03] <mase-tech> thats not the problem
[08:45:11] <archivist> sure it is
[08:45:14] <mase-tech> no
[08:46:03] <mase-tech> 5/16 what means that
[08:46:15] <mase-tech> 5 tunrs per 16 inch ?
[08:46:19] <mase-tech> :D
[08:46:19] <pink_vampire> no
[08:46:24] <pink_vampire> 5/16"
[08:46:41] <pink_vampire> where is the whole thing?
[08:46:51] <archivist> 18 turns per inch I already said
[08:47:02] <pink_vampire> I get just separate files.
[08:47:22] <_methods> http://www.vicious1.com/blog/parts/
[08:47:24] <_methods> there's the bom
[08:47:27] <_methods> with all yoru lengths
[08:47:32] <_methods> and conversions if you want metric
[08:47:43] <mase-tech> look hardware
[08:47:48] <_methods> pretty much lays it all out for you
[08:47:48] <pink_vampire> 5/16in = 0.3125in = 7.9375mm
[08:47:51] <mase-tech> first line
[08:48:13] <_methods> yeah that one has no length not sure what's up there
[08:48:18] <_methods> all the rest have lengths
[08:48:22] <pink_vampire> so M8 is the closest (8mm)
[08:48:35] <mase-tech> hey
[08:48:46] <archivist> cut to length needed
[08:48:46] <mase-tech> u did not get my problem
[08:48:51] <mase-tech> ok
[08:48:54] <_methods> what is the problem?
[08:49:10] <archivist> it comes in long lengths
[08:49:15] <mase-tech> I thought 5/16-18 has the length included
[08:49:22] <archivist> no
[08:49:24] <_methods> nope just the pitch and diameter
[08:49:30] <mase-tech> that was the question
[08:49:33] <mase-tech> holymoly :D
[08:50:28] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: I see the list - BUT where is the whole assemble file??
[08:50:34] <archivist> with a poor design like that you have to put up with doing your own thinking
[08:50:38] <mase-tech> Everybody should use the metric system, everything else makes no sense
[08:50:38] <pink_vampire> do you have a link to it?
[08:50:56] <_methods> he already gave you the link to it
[08:51:21] <pink_vampire> _methods: where?
[08:51:31] <pink_vampire> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999??
[08:51:34] <_methods> yep
[08:51:36] <_methods> there ya go
[08:51:37] <mase-tech> archivist: I already told you I am on budget
[08:52:14] <archivist> I know about low budgets
[08:52:19] <pink_vampire> I can't see any assembly here, just individual components.
[08:52:25] <pink_vampire> _methods: ^
[08:52:33] <mase-tech> I am thinking about not to buy the scews in the list, but a thread rod with net needed number of nuts
[08:52:36] <_methods> so assemble it then
[08:52:40] <archivist> pink_vampire, this http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[08:53:06] <pink_vampire> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999/#files
[08:53:08] <pink_vampire> look ^
[08:53:28] <pink_vampire> NO assembly file!!!
[08:53:43] <_methods> so assemble it then
[08:54:30] <mase-tech> http://www.vicious1.com/assembly/
[08:54:52] <pink_vampire> you can't you need all the fasteners that I want to measure on the assembly to help mase-tech
[08:55:31] <pink_vampire> they only give the files for printing,
[08:56:00] <mase-tech> a threaded rod is about 1,12 + 5 euro shipping
[08:56:34] <archivist> go to the local hardware store for threaded rod
[08:56:56] <pink_vampire> http://www.vicious1.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/new-corner.jpg
[08:57:09] <mase-tech> the prices in local hardwars stores a ridicleous
[08:57:12] <pink_vampire> I want the file that make this picture ^^
[08:57:16] <mase-tech> 5 times more compare to ebay
[08:57:35] <archivist> mase-tech, the local trade store will be cheap
[08:58:07] <_methods> what is the german version of mcmaster carr or msc?
[08:59:19] <mase-tech> u mean a degree ?
[08:59:39] <_methods> part suppliers
[08:59:46] <mase-tech> a :D
[08:59:52] <archivist> screw-fix is my local discount http://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-bright-zinc-plated-steel-threaded-rods-m8-x-1000mm-5-pack/75885
[08:59:56] <mase-tech> msc = master of science
[09:00:03] <mase-tech> lol
[09:00:31] <archivist> 7.26 for 5 lengths collected
[09:01:12] <_methods> keller-kalmbach maybe
[09:01:37] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: instead of M8 you can get ACME screw with anti backlash lead nut
[09:02:46] <_methods> http://www.keller-kalmbach.de/de/lieferprogramm.html
[09:03:02] <_methods> looks like they have plenty of fastener stuff
[09:03:33] <pink_vampire> _methods: for M8 as a lead nut is not very good.
[09:03:35] <mase-tech> I do not what to forget to mention that I am thankful for ur help
[09:03:42] <pink_vampire> acme is much better
[09:03:43] <mase-tech> and I appreciate it :)
[09:04:10] <_methods> i'm sure there are better german supply houses than that
[09:04:21] <_methods> ebay is usually pretty good for finding that stuff too
[09:04:40] <mase-tech> One question
[09:04:50] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: I'm trying to help you but I can't get any assembly file..
[09:04:57] <_methods> Loetmichel might be able tohelp you find german suppliers
[09:05:09] <_methods> or Sync
[09:05:26] <_methods> or your old teacher
[09:05:57] <mase-tech> When u look the list, there are lots of screws with different length
[09:06:07] <mase-tech> but almost all m8
[09:06:07] <_methods> yeah
[09:06:37] <mase-tech> why not simply buy a rod and cut the rod into length need with the double amount of nuts
[09:07:16] <mase-tech> 1 m of m8 rod cost 1,12 +5 euro shippuing
[09:07:23] <pink_vampire> http://www.vicious1.com/product/mostly-printed-cnc-parts-bundle/
[09:07:28] <mase-tech> thats fucking lot of screws
[09:08:13] <_methods> hahah 53 608z bearings
[09:08:15] <_methods> jeebus
[09:09:17] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: please build something more rigid.
[09:09:25] <_methods> lots of nuts
[09:09:47] <mase-tech> I will build this shit
[09:09:52] <pink_vampire> nuts + machine vibrations = fun!
[09:10:00] <mase-tech> yes
[09:10:09] <archivist> we dont want to have to say told you so later on
[09:10:27] <mase-tech> if vibration is to high i will use it as vibrator
[09:10:36] <_methods> lol
[09:10:43] <mase-tech> I know that u don tlike it
[09:10:45] <pink_vampire> OMG that nasty
[09:10:46] <mase-tech> thats ok
[09:11:26] <mase-tech> yes it is :D but sometimes we are all nasty.. right ? :D
[09:11:35] <archivist> no
[09:11:45] <mase-tech> LOL
[09:11:57] <pink_vampire> I'm take a shower all the time, so I'm not.
[09:12:26] <mase-tech> I will show progress on the form
[09:12:28] <mase-tech> forum
[09:12:32] <mase-tech> and the results
[09:13:20] <mase-tech> we need to make it than judge it and then keep the errors low
[09:13:51] <mase-tech> pink_vampire:
[09:13:58] <mase-tech> ure gone ?
[09:15:29] <pink_vampire> I'm here
[09:16:59] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: ^
[09:18:04] <mase-tech> my question was not answered
[09:18:22] <mase-tech> why buying scrws insted of cutting a rod
[09:19:39] <mase-tech> 1m M8 = 1,20 Euro
[09:20:55] <archivist> IRC does not come with a guarantee of all questions answered
[09:23:17] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: I mean to ACME screw not screws, and I mean it just for the Z axis lead screw
[09:24:37] <mase-tech> yes
[09:24:52] <mase-tech> so answer not answered :D
[09:25:17] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure what do you mean
[09:28:47] <mase-tech> pink_vampire: If I buy 10 M8x80 = 5 euro but if I buy 1 m M8 rod =1,20 euro I can make more screws with a lower price
[09:29:48] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I did find a cheap source of Raisin Bran but I still had to remove each raisin by hand and wash off the sugar
[09:29:56] <pink_vampire> I can't answer that without to see the whole design.
[09:29:57] <_methods> haha
[09:30:08] <_methods> its off to a good start this am
[09:30:32] <_methods> the silly train is making some good headway
[09:31:17] <Jymmm> sadly the cliff is just not close enough... yet
[09:32:15] <Jymmm> http://s300.photobucket.com/user/aangelinsf/media/runaway-train-track-ends-off-cliff.jpg.html
[09:33:47] <_methods> hehe
[09:34:54] <pink_vampire> my Imgur stop working..
[09:35:02] <pink_vampire> I don't know why..
[09:35:06] <Deejay> you br0ke it
[09:35:34] <pink_vampire> I can login, but I can't see any image
[09:36:16] <pink_vampire> http://pinkcnc.imgur.com/all/
[09:36:22] <pink_vampire> what do you get here?
[09:36:48] <Deejay> error message
[09:36:49] <Deejay> 25.04.2016 23:45:44 867 € 0,01
[09:36:49] <Deejay> 25.04.2016 22:47:35 851 € 0,01
[09:36:49] <Deejay> 25.04.2016 21:47:34 851 € 0,01
[09:36:49] <Deejay> 25.04.2016 20:47:34 851 € 0,01
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[09:36:50] <Deejay> 25.04.2016 16:47:35 851 € 0,01
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[09:36:52] <Deejay> 25.04.2016 12:47:35 851 € 0,01
[09:37:01] <Deejay> whoops, sorry
[09:37:05] <_methods> heheh
[09:37:12] <Deejay> "Zoinks! You've taken a wrong turn."
[09:37:13] <pink_vampire> what??
[09:37:40] <Deejay> ignore all that secret numbers ;)
[09:37:49] <pink_vampire> but the images work. http://i.imgur.com/YRMsCys.png
[09:37:52] <Deejay> Let's split up, gang. If you're looking for an image, it's probably been deleted or may not have existed at all.
[09:38:04] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/X2wHDBy.png
[09:38:11] <Deejay> jep, images work
[09:38:11] <CaptHindsight> is this like one of these things is nothing like the others?
[09:38:37] <Deejay> what? ;)
[09:39:08] <pink_vampire> so if the account get close how the images works?
[09:40:04] <Deejay> perhaps imgur has just a technical problem at the moment
[09:40:36] <Deejay> stay calm and relax. time to polish your nails or something like that ;)
[09:40:51] <pink_vampire> hehe..
[09:46:17] <JT-Shop> wow I made a $10 sale this week is picking up
[09:47:17] <mase-tech> JT-shop
[09:47:28] <mase-tech> can u give me ur shop adress
[09:47:43] <JT-Shop> mesaus.com
[09:48:41] <mase-tech> nice
[09:49:45] <JT-Shop> thanks
[09:54:33] <archivist> lucky for you my half days work got cancelled
[09:55:11] <JT-Shop> I got to work one hour yesterday
[10:03:28] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: are you doing linuxcnc implementation?
[10:04:37] <JT-Shop> what do you mean by implementation?
[10:05:53] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: see PM
[10:12:44] * JT-Shop heads out to fuel up the old hoe and dig
[10:26:50] <_methods> JT-Shop: how big are you making the new shop?
[10:36:38] <JT-Shop> 30x50x12
[10:37:36] <enleth> finally got that antique planetarium motor right - substituting potentiometer for a fixed resistance rotor shunt and wiring everything to a Powerstat worked perfectly for speed control without any sparking and overheating on a potentiometer
[10:39:05] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: outgrown it already!?
[10:40:17] <archivist> slowly building a shed over the state
[10:42:27] <_methods> heheh always more room
[10:42:34] <_methods> always *need more
[10:42:42] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/Dads_Shed.JPG
[10:42:55] <_methods> heheh
[10:47:45] <CaptHindsight> I need a change as well for more zones. Have to separate dirty metal cutting and welding from things that like to burn and other things that need tight environmental control
[10:49:53] <archivist> yes but then you need to triple your hand tools because they are always in the wrong workshop
[10:50:55] <CaptHindsight> already done
[10:51:33] <CaptHindsight> it's easier to fly to a location and buy tools and then send them home by freight
[10:55:39] <CaptHindsight> plus most of the parts I'll be making soon will all be <1um across
[11:19:56] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight: a place to put equipment and a place to work on tractors, backhoe, dozer etc
[11:20:23] <JT-Shop> and a place to put lots of stuff that is in my shop now for more shop room
[11:27:25] <mase-tech> anybody know what fender washers are
[11:27:33] <CaptHindsight> _methods: is it easier to remove the raisins and wash them or just pluck them out and replace with non sugar coated raisins?
[11:28:01] <CaptHindsight> mase-tech: washers with larger OD's
[11:28:12] <CaptHindsight> same ID but much larger OD
[11:28:21] <archivist> mase-tech, also known as mudguard washers , large diameter with small hole
[11:28:48] <_methods> Make air sorter for the raisins
[11:28:51] <_methods> Lol
[11:29:49] <mase-tech> and speed washer = sae washer ?
[11:30:18] <CaptHindsight> _methods: milk in the bowl and then add cereal or cereal and then add milk?
[11:30:57] <mase-tech> very funny
[11:32:10] <mase-tech> so it is the same ?
[11:33:14] <archivist> never heard of speed washer
[11:35:13] <CaptHindsight> speed nut maybe?
[11:36:19] <CaptHindsight> mase-tech: http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/500/555/555-83820.jpg ?
[11:37:26] <CaptHindsight> or this? http://www.txlampparts.net/images/tv%2037.jpg
[11:40:26] <archivist> actually something completely different see link in the parts list here http://www.vicious1.com/blog/parts/
[11:40:59] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: for 200$ he give you the whole hardware, why are you even try to get each component individually??
[11:41:07] <archivist> inverse of mudguard washer, large hole
[11:42:57] <mase-tech> 8 Speed washers or SAE M8
[11:43:13] <mase-tech> I compareing prices
[11:43:29] <mase-tech> you mean I should buy the bundle ?
[11:43:33] <mase-tech> pink_vampire:
[11:43:50] <pink_vampire> yes
[11:44:01] <Polymorphism> =D
[11:44:21] <Polymorphism> always cereal first
[11:44:27] <Polymorphism> select the amount you require
[11:44:33] <Polymorphism> then add adequate milk
[11:44:36] <pink_vampire> if you want to build it and want to make it easy and simple, get the pack
[11:44:54] <mase-tech> Polymorphism: you should look your tub girl
[11:45:11] <Polymorphism> oh I do that every day
[11:45:21] <Polymorphism> I love tubgirl
[11:45:25] <Loetmichel> *meh* my Opel Omega (car) is back at the mechanics garage. and will be there until 9th of may at least... Mechanic has no time to look into the fuel consumption and lacking accelerration issue any sooner.. i only hope they get that FINALLY done before my Beater BMW runs out of the MOT window... I mean its not like they already cashed in €3900 and had since mid februrary to repair that
[11:45:25] <Loetmichel> Opel(engine)....
[11:45:30] <djdelorie> well, cereal, then *raisins*, then milk (or yogurt in my case)
[11:45:31] <CaptHindsight> oh noes!
[11:46:00] <Loetmichel> ... how hard can it be to fix an 6cyl turbo diesel engine?
[11:46:09] <Polymorphism> xD
[11:46:22] <Polymorphism> this is why you always do it yourself
[11:46:34] <Polymorphism> this is your vehicle, you must take responsibility
[11:46:45] <archivist> Loetmichel, very hard if you take it to an idiot
[11:46:47] <CaptHindsight> what incentive does the mechanic have to actually fix it?
[11:47:09] <Polymorphism> guess + check xD
[11:47:20] <Polymorphism> great way to make a living as a mechanic
[11:47:29] <Polymorphism> very lucrative
[11:47:33] <Polymorphism> and minimal skill required
[11:47:46] <CaptHindsight> he's getting paid returning it still broken
[11:47:53] <Loetmichel> Polymorphism: only that they got nothing after the initial €3k9
[11:48:12] <Loetmichel> the 3(!) subsequent tries were on warranty...
[11:48:19] <Loetmichel> as is the fourth now...
[11:48:49] <CaptHindsight> sounds more idiot than lazy
[11:48:51] <mase-tech> I eat cereal all day long. It is good in the morning, in the afternoon, and in the evening, especially good for a snack in the middle of the night.
[11:49:39] <CaptHindsight> mase-tech: do you use fresh milk for every bowl?
[11:49:47] <mase-tech> :D
[11:49:48] <archivist> eat it dry
[11:50:03] <pink_vampire> Imgur work again!
[11:50:17] <CaptHindsight> what happens if you still have milk in the bowl but want to switch cereals?
[11:50:32] <archivist> cereal box next to pc, knibble all day as required
[11:50:57] <mase-tech> archivist: Are you for cereal?
[11:51:40] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: what do you want to make with your machine?
[11:53:17] <CaptHindsight> mase-tech: I've never seen or heard him act in any way to be anti-cereal
[11:53:19] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: http://i.imgur.com/fiPPvNr.png
[11:55:21] <mase-tech> pink_vampire: nice one
[11:55:42] <pink_vampire> 1 in travel Z axis
[11:57:02] <pink_vampire> 1"
[11:57:08] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: ^
[11:57:11] <mase-tech> yes
[11:59:17] <pink_vampire> it's for drilling ball bearings
[11:59:35] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i start to think that one of their emplyoees lat the AFT run out of the transmission and replaced it with some normal motor oil. "who will notiche ever?" ya know?
[11:59:43] <Loetmichel> ATF
[11:59:46] <Loetmichel> let
[11:59:51] <Loetmichel> notice
[12:00:36] <pink_vampire> aft =?
[12:00:44] <_methods> Loetmichel: who is a good company to buy screws and stuff for making machines in germany?
[12:00:54] <_methods> mase-tech was looking for suppliers of all thread and screws
[12:01:04] <mase-tech> yes
[12:01:09] <mase-tech> aft
[12:01:11] <mase-tech> ok
[12:01:21] <mase-tech> thanks
[12:02:55] <Loetmichel> _methods: i buy all my screw and tool stuff here: http://www.jahn-schoenhals.de/ ... but i doubt they will mail the stuff
[12:03:11] <mase-tech> Loetmichel: Kannst du mir einen link geben für den eisenwarenhändler deines vertrauens
[12:03:20] <Loetmichel> mase-tech: siehe oben
[12:03:24] <mase-tech> ok danke
[12:04:10] <mase-tech> How fortune thats near by :) I live in Langen between darmstadt and frankfurt
[12:05:19] <Loetmichel> <- can walk to jahn
[12:05:26] <Loetmichel> <- OF-bieber
[12:07:34] <mase-tech> How small the world is :)
[12:08:11] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[12:08:24] <mase-tech> Loetmichel: I am looking forward to build http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[12:08:47] <Loetmichel> *SHUDDER*
[12:08:59] <mase-tech> So I could buy a bundle from america, which I refuse to to
[12:09:45] <pink_vampire> way are you refuse to get the bundle??
[12:09:49] <mase-tech> Yes I know for what people post it is not a cnc which I can compare to the others
[12:10:10] <Loetmichel> mase-tech: we have a name for that in the german CNC-ecke forum: "käsefräse"
[12:10:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.michaels.com/adhesives/glue-guns-and-sticks/809188654
[12:10:40] <Loetmichel> it will not mill more than Cheddar or gouda i think. Parmensan will be to hard ;)
[12:10:43] <mase-tech> Somebody posted results with it
[12:11:05] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: http://www.michaels.com/artminds-fashion-mini-glue-gun/M10145112.html?dwvar_M10145112_color=Pink#start=8
[12:11:16] <pink_vampire> Fashion Mini Glue Gun !!
[12:11:17] <CaptHindsight> _methods: what sticks better the clear or the slight yellow tinted? http://www.michaels.com/adhesives/glue-guns-and-sticks/809188654
[12:11:29] <mase-tech> ;D
[12:12:03] <pink_vampire> http://www.michaels.com/artminds-mini-glue-gun-stylish-pattern/M10153061.html?dwvar_M10153061_color=Pink#start=31
[12:12:05] <pink_vampire> OMG!
[12:12:32] <pink_vampire> http://www.michaels.com/10228079.html#start=23
[12:12:52] <pink_vampire> unicorn glue gun!
[12:12:57] <mase-tech> Loetmichel: I am on budget otherwise I would pimp a x2 mill
[12:13:15] <mase-tech> 1000 euro is to uch
[12:13:50] <maxcnc> hi from a dnowing germany
[12:13:54] <maxcnc> snow
[12:14:41] <mase-tech> So I build the cheesmill at least
[12:14:41] <pink_vampire> here is just rain and blond girls.
[12:14:45] <mase-tech> it is on budget
[12:14:54] <mase-tech> and I finally get addicted
[12:15:10] <mase-tech> I looked so much and I decide
[12:15:26] <mase-tech> And I will live with this decision
[12:15:48] <CaptHindsight> you can go door to door selling custom crafted cheese parts
[12:16:03] <pink_vampire> who?
[12:16:15] <maxcnc> mase-tech: did you get all the sources i adviced
[12:16:29] <pink_vampire> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TDK-Lambda/DPP120-12-1/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsZudspt76%2fSiWV%2fEQMCSlun0riH7rZGM4%3d
[12:16:34] <CaptHindsight> if someone came to my door and said that they could mill cheese right before my eyes I'd be speechless
[12:16:40] <mase-tech> at least for styling my spagetthi
[12:17:07] <pink_vampire> LoL!!
[12:17:09] <mase-tech> maxcnc: I looked for it
[12:17:38] <pink_vampire> I need to get a power supply
[12:17:47] <maxcnc> hit my nich then we talk german
[12:17:48] <pink_vampire> 5V and 12V
[12:19:03] <pink_vampire> do I need 12V 10A?
[12:19:23] <CaptHindsight> anyone try one of these yet with Linuxcnc? http://hackerboards.com/65-dollar-hacker-board-runs-64-bit-linux-on-quad-core-atom/
[12:19:56] <CaptHindsight> $65 quad core x86
[12:20:22] <pink_vampire> 65$ atom = junk
[12:20:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.jaguarboard.org/index.php/products/product_show/jaguarboard-industry-first-x86-based.html
[12:20:52] <pink_vampire> 1GB DDR3L RAM
[12:21:54] <pink_vampire> suppot 4k?
[12:22:13] <pink_vampire> Display interface — HDMI 1.4 @ up to 1080p
[12:22:20] <pink_vampire> so no 4k :(
[12:22:29] <pink_vampire> I can't use it :(
[12:22:57] <pcw_home> It not aimed for TV
[12:23:49] <pink_vampire> so..
[12:40:57] <pink_vampire|2> what is "CTR rank"
[12:40:59] <pink_vampire|2> ??
[12:41:15] <archivist> lack of context for question
[12:41:31] <pink_vampire|2> Transistor Output Optocouplers 80-160% CTR rank
[12:41:40] <pink_vampire|2> Transistor Output Optocouplers 300-600% CTR rank
[12:42:54] <archivist> probably current transfer ratio the led current to output current
[13:07:08] <maxcnc> Gn8 im snowing in
[13:39:24] <_methods> CaptHindsight: no but those boards look interesting
[13:39:54] <_methods> good little dd-wrt board would be nice if it had dual gbe
[13:56:58] <SpeedEvil> Dynamic problems are fun.
[13:57:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.designboom.com/design/giha-woo-constrained-ball/
[13:57:05] <SpeedEvil> useless or useful?
[13:58:02] <SpeedEvil> I'm about 98% sure it doesn't eXist
[14:02:01] <CaptHindsight> no video
[14:07:18] <_methods> man if only someone made like some sort of straight edge
[14:07:24] <_methods> for drawing straight lines
[14:07:29] <_methods> i wonder what you could call it
[14:07:50] <CaptHindsight> it will never fly
[14:07:58] <_methods> i'm a dreamer
[14:08:50] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/US-Toy-Mini-Finger-Skateboards/dp/B00362KZRM
[14:08:56] <_methods> attach a pencil to one of those
[14:08:57] <_methods> boom
[14:09:09] <_methods> straight lines and pro tricks
[14:10:45] <_methods> maybe attach a 2.2kw chinese water cooled spindle to a skateboard and motorize it and cnc it
[14:10:58] <_methods> tony hawk cnc
[14:13:03] <CaptHindsight> hmm maybe it should be a weight loss / exercise tool?
[14:13:42] <_methods> hah
[14:13:48] <_methods> shake weight attachment
[14:13:56] <CaptHindsight> shake weight / butter churn
[14:14:10] <_methods> i smell a kickstarter
[14:16:54] <yasnak> mini finger skateboard. man, that brings back some pathetic memories
[14:17:31] <_methods> were you on the finger skateboard pro circuit lol
[14:39:13] <yasnak> heh
[14:39:17] <yasnak> i never had one
[14:39:19] <yasnak> or a yoyo
[14:39:22] <yasnak> or whjatever other crap
[14:39:30] <_methods> haha
[14:39:32] <_methods> no hacky sack
[14:39:35] <yasnak> nah
[14:39:43] <yasnak> was too far into computers at that age
[14:45:48] <Tom_itx> hah class cancelled for weather tonight
[14:45:53] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/ASLFJj8 when automation is too hard
[14:58:10] <_methods> you guys are supposed to get some nasty hail aren't you?
[14:58:21] <Tom_itx> supposed to yes
[14:58:35] <SpeedEvil> I had some nasty hail today.
[14:58:41] <SpeedEvil> It was 6mm
[14:59:00] <_methods> ouch
[14:59:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/hail/hail4.jpg
[14:59:27] <Tom_itx> we've had our share
[14:59:46] <Tom_itx> 6mm isn't hail :D
[14:59:52] <_methods> is that a bag full of hail in your pocket or are you happy to see me lol
[15:00:44] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/hail/hail5.jpg
[15:00:50] <Tom_itx> ~1.75"
[15:01:08] <_methods> concussion hail
[15:01:22] <Tom_itx> it knocked out alot of windows that year
[15:02:13] <_methods> i bet
[15:12:01] <Tom_itx> _methods where do you access functions in SW?
[15:12:14] <Tom_itx> i may look into trying what i did in catia there
[15:12:35] <Tom_itx> with the spreadsheet parameters
[15:16:20] <_methods> like the sw api?
[15:16:32] <_methods> or just simple equations?
[15:17:15] <Tom_itx> mostly driving parameters like dimensions from a table
[15:17:32] <Tom_itx> no api calls
[15:18:09] <_methods> well that's under insert>design table
[15:18:23] <CaptHindsight> can anyone reach fedex.com?
[15:18:39] <Tom_itx> yes
[15:19:13] <Tom_itx> fedup.com comes right up
[15:20:06] <CaptHindsight> thanks
[15:20:49] <Tom_itx> _methods, it's greyed out
[15:21:08] <Tom_itx> oh cause i was in sketch
[15:21:09] <_methods> are you in a part?
[15:21:12] <_methods> or assembly
[15:21:17] <_methods> ahh yeah sketch would do it
[15:22:24] <Tom_itx> well if you don't hear from me after tomorrow, bring shovels and come dig me out
[15:22:43] <_methods> you're going straight to hail
[15:23:19] <Tom_itx> they've been talking about it for a week now so there must be something to it
[15:28:19] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: nice golfballs
[16:21:40] <Deejay> gn8
[16:37:41] <Magnifikus> !seen the_saint
[16:37:41] <the_wench> Never heard of the entity the_saint you ask for
[16:37:46] <Magnifikus> !seen thesaint
[16:37:47] <the_wench> last seen in 2016-01-22 09:27:58GMT 838:59:59 ago, saying Ping timeout: 256 seconds
[16:38:02] <Magnifikus> rip
[16:58:21] <yasnak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6l7c3kHGQE
[16:58:23] <yasnak> mmmm
[17:03:25] <malcom2073> Powah
[17:18:53] <pink_vampire> 3 out of 42
[17:25:53] <pink_vampire> 4 out of 42, 38 to go :(
[17:26:04] <JT-Shop> big dig delay of game due to weather
[17:26:27] <pink_vampire> no.
[17:26:59] <pink_vampire> I'm just working on laminating wire markers.. sooo boring
[17:28:51] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-TOOLS-LATHE-MILL-Machinist-Brown-Sharpe-559-Tool-Maker-s-Square-/191367915971
[17:28:54] <zeeshan> co worker gave me this
[17:29:01] <zeeshan> is this just like a cylindrical square?
[17:29:13] <zeeshan> cause the 4 edges and top and bottom are ground
[17:29:42] <pink_vampire> no
[17:30:11] <pink_vampire> it's like thick parallel
[17:30:14] <zeeshan> nah
[17:30:17] <zeeshan> i just found it in the catalog
[17:30:19] <zeeshan> its a precision square
[17:30:41] <zeeshan> you cant use it as a parallel
[17:30:48] <zeeshan> well you could
[17:30:56] <zeeshan> i dont think it'd be super precise cause it'd be resting on the unground surface :P
[17:31:36] <pink_vampire> the vise is ground
[17:32:24] <zeeshan> yasnak: that is nuts
[17:32:25] <zeeshan> lol
[17:34:30] <pink_vampire> I can make very nice Z axis for my machine on that machine..
[17:35:46] <pink_vampire> 6 done!
[17:35:50] <pink_vampire> soo slow!
[17:42:16] <yasnak> lol
[17:42:25] <yasnak> i love the sound of heavy milling
[17:42:53] <BeachBumPete> I miss the sound of milling ;)
[17:43:25] <yasnak> lately we've been doing alot of thin walled pinch (profit) milled parts. talk about headache
[17:43:32] <pink_vampire> I like to get the part with the minimum noise
[17:45:09] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: how you making out?
[17:58:32] <Tom_itx> zeeshan is that a round square??
[17:58:47] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, fine so far
[17:59:50] <JT-Shop> we just got a line of rain passing over
[18:00:46] <pink_vampire> http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/rihanna/work.html
[18:01:21] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL1UzIK-flA
[18:03:47] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, maybe it'll soften up your dirt pine
[18:03:49] <Tom_itx> pile
[18:05:00] <pink_vampire> without the lyrics I can't understand almost half of it.
[18:05:02] <JT-Shop> I hope not, it's just perfect now just a bit of moisture
[18:05:51] <Tom_itx> we're not gettin much so far... just as i figured. all hype for the first season rain
[18:06:26] <Tom_itx> maybe a little quarter size hail
[18:07:17] <Tom_itx> i'm too broke to have a quarter and the camera battery is dead so you'll just have to believe me.. :)
[18:11:10] <JT-Shop> I believe you
[18:12:02] <JT-Shop> I gotta bore out a shaft collar
[18:12:21] <jdh> you should bore out your shaft collar
[18:13:00] <JT-Shop> gotta figure out how to hold the dang thing first
[18:14:33] <jdh> To report suspicious bathroom activity, North Carolina residents can call the 24-hour ‘HB2 Offender Hotline’ at 1-800-662-7952
[18:14:56] <Tom_itx> what if we're just passin thru?
[18:17:53] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:19:44] <Tom_itx> nice thing about satellite is it goes out just when all the warnings come on
[18:24:25] <pink_vampire> 9 done
[19:49:51] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: "For individuals living outside of North Carolina, please call (919) 814-2000. To file a complaint after normal business hours, call (919) 814-2050 and press option 3."
[19:50:48] <CaptHindsight> 1938 called and they want their fascists back
[19:53:43] <Duc> any recommendations on cut off tools for a lathe
[19:54:04] <CaptHindsight> buy a good brand
[19:54:27] <CaptHindsight> US or EU?
[20:00:14] <Duc> US
[20:00:22] <Duc> was looking at a ISCAR SGFH
[20:01:07] <Duc> will need to buy a blade holder for it
[20:03:20] <zeeshan> duc thats what i have
[20:03:21] <zeeshan> i love it
[20:03:45] <zeeshan> but i also love my el cheapo
[20:03:57] <Duc> I found a 26-3 size for 130 with 10 inserts but I need to find a blade holder
[20:04:29] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om4HDvJstsU
[20:04:31] <zeeshan> check that out
[20:05:02] <zeeshan> skip to 2 min
[20:05:05] <zeeshan> to skip the chatter
[20:06:21] <Duc> is your lathe programmed to speed up while it goes in
[20:06:34] <zeeshan> constant surface speed mode
[20:06:34] <zeeshan> ya
[20:07:06] <zeeshan> i think i paid 100 bux for 10 inserts, the tool block and the blade
[20:07:12] <zeeshan> w/ shipping on alibaba
[20:07:17] <zeeshan> wasnt expecting it to work well
[20:07:28] <Duc> I would expect it to be a rip off from alibaba
[20:08:57] <Duc> but looks like it working really well
[20:09:23] <Duc> I have a kennemetal one but its only good for 1.5 in
[20:11:53] <Duc> looking into this sell http://www.ebay.com/itm/Iscar-SGFH-26-3-Blade-w-Box-of-10-Iscar-GFN-3A-IC20-Carbide-Inserts-/141910983233?hash=item210a8dc241:g:Sg4AAOSwG-1Wy2~H
[20:19:56] <unfy> any opinions on turbcad with cam option as a cheap cad/cam package ?
[20:20:30] <bobo__> zeeshan to me your lathe sounds as if the RPM is in increments of change vers a ramping. just wondering is it my bad ear?
[20:32:51] <Tom_itx> zeeshan do you set a limit on surface speed so it doesn't go crazy?
[20:54:03] <bobo__> BeachBumPete: how is life in the sunshine state of the union? find a house yet ? working on a bait & tat cart yet?
[20:58:47] <BeachBumPete> bobo__ Oh pretty good so far man.
[20:59:27] <BeachBumPete> As I said last night we seem to have found a house and put an offer in on it and it was accepted. Now we are going thru the financing stuff with the bank....
[21:03:04] <bobo__> good luck with "the bank". how long would you guess it takes the bank to decide?
[21:03:35] <jdh> won't you have assloads of equity?
[21:04:29] <BeachBumPete> jdh?
[21:04:51] <BeachBumPete> bobo__ honestly I have no idea how long it takes...
[21:04:57] <jdh> I though you were hoping to have no mortgage
[21:05:34] <jdh> and if so, you should have assloads of equity so they should approve quickly
[21:06:08] <BeachBumPete> jdh well that was before the economy has rebounded a good bit here. Home prices have gone up considerably
[21:06:33] <BeachBumPete> also we were GOING to try to buy a fixer upper house like we did in tennessee for a lower price
[21:07:09] <BeachBumPete> but it seems that investors snap up everything that has any possibility of being a profit maker quickly and for cash
[21:07:40] <BeachBumPete> the home we are trying to buy has been completely redone inside and out so it is basicallly a turn key home
[21:07:54] <BeachBumPete> we were NOT going to go that route
[21:08:12] <BeachBumPete> but after looking around at what is available for the last couple weeks we realized
[21:08:43] <BeachBumPete> that MOST of the fixer uppers available are just not that much cheaper than nice turn key homes
[21:10:12] <BeachBumPete> so we just decided to bite the bullet and get something we want that needs no work, the prices are steadliy going up here and pretty quickly. We do have a good bit of cash to put down on it so our mortgage will not be very high at all...
[21:11:21] <BeachBumPete> hopefully I will be able to concentrate more on my CNC work and making money instead of refurbishing my home with all the free time I have.
[21:12:02] <BeachBumPete> The last couple weeks in our old home having to do LOTS of work quickly to get the sale done was quite tiresome ;)
[21:12:16] <CaptHindsight> does it have enough room to pour a slab and build a big shed like JT did?
[21:12:49] <CaptHindsight> only gator and skeeter proof
[21:12:59] <BeachBumPete> CaptHindsight well the house has a good sized 2 car garage which is NOT as large as my shop in Tennessee but not far from it.
[21:13:22] <CaptHindsight> attached garage?
[21:13:42] <BeachBumPete> and the lot has a really nice fenced in yard with a high quality fence consisting of concrete pilons and sections of wood fencing in between all the way around
[21:13:49] <BeachBumPete> yes the garage is attached
[21:14:35] <BeachBumPete> my hope/plan is to be able to add a large shed/shop to the back yard near a pool and put all of my woodworking stuff in there and keep the garage for the CNC stuff/Tig welding work only..
[21:14:44] <CaptHindsight> I had a friend that extended his garage by 1x every time he bought more cars
[21:14:51] <BeachBumPete> the house is A LOT bigger inside than our home in Tennessee
[21:15:06] <CaptHindsight> it ended up being 2 cars wide and 10 cars long
[21:15:35] <BeachBumPete> another nice thing is that unlike our tennessee home which had tons of attick storage but was very light on closets inside
[21:15:51] <BeachBumPete> this house has quite a few HUGE walk in closets
[21:15:57] <bobo__> Pete "free time" you saying the honey due jar was lost in the move? good thinking there Pete
[21:16:11] <CaptHindsight> perfect for cnc machines! :)
[21:16:32] <BeachBumPete> so I am also hoping that a lot of the STUFF I used to have to keep in my shop will find its place inside these huge closets in the house leaving the garage shop JUSt for working stuff
[21:17:09] <BeachBumPete> bobo__ there is ALWAYS a honey do list you know that man
[21:17:12] <BeachBumPete> hehehe
[21:18:16] <BeachBumPete> at the end of the day we are not rich folks so we have to get the best we can with our thin dollars...
[21:19:37] <BeachBumPete> I think that my VMC and my new CNC lathe should go nicely in the garage shop and I can setup a nice Tig welding table and have my bandsaw as well as my roll around toolboxes in there
[21:21:08] <BeachBumPete> I built a nice big rectangular shed/workshop for a lady up in Tennesse years ago that had a tall ceiling and a lean to roof and I think something very similar would go nicely in the back yard there.. Maybe like 12x25 or something
[21:21:54] <BeachBumPete> I can put my lawn equipment and my kids bikes/and all my woodworking equipment in there and maybe do some woodworking in it if I can somehow keep the sound inside
[21:22:36] <bobo__> where you are now , just roll the welding table and saw outside
[21:22:54] <BeachBumPete> we are going to be inside the city limits so having a huge shop or building one like JT's out in the country is not happening unforutunately...
[21:24:19] <BeachBumPete> getting a large lot and country surroundings in South Florida requires one of two things..... either you move quite a ways inland away from the beaches and restaurants etc..... or you have Donald trump money and buy it closer to the beach for BIG money...LOL
[21:24:45] <bobo__> double doors on back of garage ? roll stuff out on a paver patio
[21:25:09] <BeachBumPete> I did find something interesting on the side of the house today looking at the AC unit
[21:25:38] <BeachBumPete> for some reason there is a 220v range style receptacle on the side of the house right behind the AC condenser unit
[21:26:17] <BeachBumPete> its a ways from there to the place where the shed would most likely be but I could use a longish extension chord for my Shaper and my Table saw etc...
[21:27:44] <bobo__> 220 volt bug zapper ?
[21:29:02] <BeachBumPete> hehe yeah
[21:29:17] <BeachBumPete> one nice thing tho is that the house is on a corner lot
[21:29:19] <bobo__> Petes electric car recharge station and tat stop !
[21:29:46] <BeachBumPete> so I am HOPING that I can make a side access to the back yard thru the fence so I can get a nice fishing boat eventually
[21:30:26] <BeachBumPete> LOL Harlem Nights is on TV...that movie is hilarious....
[21:34:51] <bobo__> Pete so what kind of time frame are you looking at to invite Mr.Conner down for getting the tool changer working ?
[21:36:22] <BeachBumPete> LOL I seriously doubt Mr. Connor is gonna want to come all the way down here to help me with my Damn toolchanger
[21:37:03] <BeachBumPete> but hey if he or anyone else did I will give you free room and board for a week near the beach and hell maybe even free dinners for the time it takes to get it done ;)
[21:38:57] <bobo__> what is cost of air fare for Mr. Jymmm to drop by ?
[21:39:28] <BeachBumPete> no idea but not sure I want that crazy dude at my house hehehehe
[21:39:58] <bobo__> a very hungry Mr. Jymmm
[21:41:33] <bobo__> Pete how far will you be from the Nuke plant ?
[21:42:04] <BeachBumPete> LOL not far enough
[21:43:38] <bobo__> think I was at that plant fo a start up ,long time ago
[21:43:41] <unfy> i've got a brother in kingston, TN
[21:43:51] <unfy> used to live near oak ridge, etc
[21:44:22] <BeachBumPete> yeah I was not far from there but now I am in FLORIDA thank God hehehe
[21:44:59] <unfy> i'm lazy and don't wanna scroll up, where abouts in fl ? i spent several years in/near pensacola
[21:45:52] <BeachBumPete> Central east coast about an hour north of Palm Beach
[21:47:02] <unfy> wrong side - ya wanted to be on the gulf side for that 70-80f water :D
[21:48:23] <BeachBumPete> Meh I have lived on both sides.... Both are nice but I prefer the east coast
[21:48:38] <unfy> prolly better breezes ?
[21:50:03] <zeeshan> bobo__: youre right -- that was cause modbus delay
[21:50:09] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yea its part of the g-code
[21:50:12] <zeeshan> g33
[21:50:31] <BeachBumPete> meh the breezes are about the same anywhere near the beach
[21:57:18] <bobo__> zeeshan|2 are you going to use modbus on your newer lathe ? guess question should be - does modbus always have a delay ?
[21:57:34] <zeeshan|2> nope going to wire it analog
[21:58:03] <zeeshan|2> if you write a component -- it doesnt seem to be realtime
[21:58:07] <zeeshan|2> as you heard :P
[22:04:01] <zeeshan|2> tom
[22:04:02] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/lzJMd3B.jpg
[22:04:11] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/6jOE6m1.jpg
[22:04:16] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/2MeXJyA.jpg
[22:04:16] <zeeshan|2> :D
[22:04:35] <zeeshan|2> as you can tell my cutter is dull :[
[22:04:45] <bobo__> zeeshan|2 bummer on modbus . remember you putting in much effort to get that VFD working
[22:05:00] <zeeshan|2> bobo__: its not completely useless
[22:05:10] <zeeshan|2> i still get my data from it
[22:05:15] <zeeshan|2> like torque etc
[22:05:25] <zeeshan|2> one day ill figure out how to real time it :P
[22:10:50] <Tom_itx> fix yer cutter
[22:11:01] <zeeshan|2> needs regrind
[22:11:06] <zeeshan|2> its the 1.5" 6 fluter
[22:13:01] <Tom_itx> one of the prof's today offered me his knowledgeware book
[22:13:08] <bobo__> didn't mean useless as you did get the VFD tyed into the control loop. just bummer it has a delay .
[22:14:02] <zeeshan|2> knowledgebare?
[22:14:03] <Tom_itx> i'm not even sure that's included in the student ver
[22:14:04] <zeeshan|2> WARE
[22:14:11] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:14:22] <Tom_itx> logically driven parts
[22:14:28] <Tom_itx> if this then do that etc
[22:15:03] <Tom_itx> i don't see it in this ver though
[22:15:35] <zeeshan|2> ah
[22:15:53] <Tom_itx> http://www.catia.com.pl/tutorial/knowledgeware.pdf
[22:16:51] <Tom_itx> meh, that's not such a good description
[22:18:59] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure what ENOVIA is either
[22:19:49] <Tom_itx> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-use-CATIA-knowledgeware-to-improve-efficiency-on-working
[22:20:03] <Tom_itx> you can see some of it's menu options
[22:20:22] <zeeshan|2> enovia is a cad data management system
[22:20:25] <zeeshan|2> i use it at work
[22:20:29] <Tom_itx> each one has it's own set of features
[22:20:36] <Tom_itx> k
[22:21:08] <Tom_itx> it's hardly comparable to 'just' a cad cam package
[22:21:31] <zeeshan|2> you havent learned other software
[22:21:35] <zeeshan|2> dont be biased!
[22:21:38] <Tom_itx> i'm not
[22:21:52] <Tom_itx> but i don't think sw is this featured
[22:21:57] <zeeshan|2> it is
[22:22:00] <zeeshan|2> so is inventor :P
[22:22:08] <Tom_itx> then i need to use it alot more
[22:23:21] <unfy> re: 60 deg cuts, grats zeeshan!
[22:24:02] <zeeshan|2> hehe thanks :P
[22:24:05] <unfy> i hope those fans are exhaust next to mill :D
[22:24:11] <zeeshan|2> they are
[22:55:53] <TheQYD> If you have four motors and the maximum speed for the motors in software stepping is 1000, do you divide the speed by the number of motors?
[22:56:11] <TheQYD> Since it's software stepping and all...?
[23:06:14] <unfy> no
[23:06:47] <unfy> at each interval it'll pulse all the outputs that need to be pulsed, not 'just one of them'
[23:07:16] <pink_vampire> done! http://i.imgur.com/zenoEUo.png
[23:12:51] <TheQYD> unfy are you talking to me?
[23:21:22] <unfy> qyd: indeed
[23:23:42] <TheQYD> Oh, so the max for the four motors if all four of them were on won't be 250?
[23:23:56] <TheQYD> (ipm)
[23:30:13] <enleth> TheQYD: why would it be?
[23:32:37] <enleth> TheQYD: if they're connected to the same port, a single write operation can toggle a single bit as well as several bits at once in the same timeframe, so there's no reason it would need to be divided
[23:33:22] <enleth> even with more than one port, it would be a negligible increase in time spent per step cycle
[23:34:57] <TheQYD> okay
[23:35:48] <TheQYD> So if I tested a motor and it's max speed was 100 (limited by the number of steps), then all motors will have a max speed of 100?
[23:37:02] <TheQYD> I'm a little confused. Why would one motor be limited to 100, then. Shouldn't it be 400 or higher (I get over 2000 with sw stepping)
[23:45:50] <unfy> qyd: set your base conservatively against what the max jitter tool tells you, then just configure each motor / axis depending on how it tests at. the different axis are independent
[23:46:29] <unfy> "software stepping" or not has nothing to do with it.
[23:47:08] <TheQYD> okay
[23:48:11] <TheQYD> my bad thinking was: because the number of steps was limited in my rig -- unlike hw stepping -- the speed I got as the 'max speed
[23:48:12] <TheQYD>
[23:48:35] <TheQYD> was limited by the fact that "only so many steps can be generated"
[23:49:01] <TheQYD> I'm writing a blog post about my results. Just wanted to make sure I was thinking about the problem correctly.
[23:49:17] <unfy> as enleth said, dealing with the extra pulses for a few extra axis is trivial amount of time.
[23:49:23] <unfy> are you a coder by chance ?
[23:49:41] <TheQYD> yep
[23:49:54] <TheQYD> (python, some c, enough java to dislike it)
[23:50:24] <TheQYD> (javascript and some other stuff that doesn't matter in this context)
[23:50:28] <unfy> instead of thinking about pulses being atomic, think more along the lines of axis[motorcount] and each time the iteration fires, it goes over the entire array each time. 5000ns is a lifetime to go over a 3-6 index array etc.
[23:51:03] <TheQYD> iiiiii sssseeeeeeee
[23:51:16] <TheQYD> it's the time, not the "pulses"
[23:51:27] <unfy> it doesn't work internally quite like that, but... still. think of it as it always goes over the entire array and sets a pin hi or lo if it needs to. instead of 'deal with this entire pulse right now and ignore everything else'
[23:51:43] <unfy> if each pin is a 'state' machine might make more sense
[23:53:08] <TheQYD> Thank you so much
[23:53:22] <unfy> np
[23:53:39] <TheQYD> This problem has been really difficult, and I'm glad you helped me out.
[23:53:58] <TheQYD> Can I use your words for my blog post?
[23:54:56] <unfy> feel free to - although you'll wanna clarify it far better than what a short irc transcript can do
[23:55:28] <unfy> ie: use your own words and just say "thanks to the folks at #linuxcnc" ... don't have to name me exactly :D
[23:56:02] <unfy> cause other folks have answered ya as well
[23:56:19] <TheQYD> Okay, again thanks a lot