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[07:34:57] <witnit> jthornton: I assume you have grub? see this page
https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/342
[07:40:54] <jthornton> thanks
[07:41:02] <jthornton> that is what I'm looking for
[08:09:45] <jthornton> or so I thought lol if you open the file it says "DO NOT EDIT..." and sure enough it gets reset back to what it was when grub updates
[08:39:17] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMd9zad290M oh yeah! =)
[09:19:28] <witnit> ah, sorry Jt I suppose that was the old way, maybe it has enough keywords to get you on track though?
[09:30:03] <mase-tech> HI people
[09:30:36] <JT-Shop> witnit: I found the grub customizer and that is perfect
[09:31:39] <JT-Shop> http://askubuntu.com/questions/532238/how-do-i-customize-the-grub-2-menu
[09:36:13] <skunkworks> end of an era..
http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160424_132326.jpg
[09:36:23] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160424_132240.jpg
[09:42:24] <archivist> shakespeare 400th Alas, poor Yasnac! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! my gorge rims at it. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft.
[09:43:11] <JT-Shop> I still have all the stuff from the Hardinge conversion somewhere
[09:48:52] <skunkworks> heh
[09:49:03] <cradek> skunkworks: those connectors are familiar
[09:49:32] <skunkworks> I bet
[09:50:22] <skunkworks> Drives too
http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160423_155606.jpg
[09:54:54] <skunkworks> Those drives are pretty nice concidering that they are early 80's vintage.
[09:56:18] <skunkworks> the drives let us know the tach's were wired backwards ;)
[09:56:29] <skunkworks> (after a small run-away)
[09:58:00] <pink_vampire> skunksleep: cover the pcbs
[09:58:51] <skunkworks> pink_vampire, that is what the huge door on the electrical cabinet is for..
[09:59:05] <pink_vampire> no!
[09:59:15] <pink_vampire> big big no
[09:59:17] <pink_vampire> NO
[09:59:22] <skunkworks> heh - ok
[10:00:21] <pink_vampire> if any wire get disconnected and it touch your pcb the pcb will get killed.
[10:00:50] <pink_vampire> but.. as you wish..
[10:00:57] <pink_vampire> it's not my panel.
[10:01:23] <skunkworks> it is actually how it came from the matsuura factory ;)
[10:01:44] <pink_vampire> ok.. go with them
[10:29:55] <mase-tech> DIY 5 axis CNC Mill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[10:30:16] <mase-tech> THe world have some gifted people
[10:34:06] <mase-tech> This is so wau
[10:35:59] <Laurenceb_> hi, has anyone here experimented with EDM?
[10:37:53] <_methods> sure
[10:38:06] <_methods> there are several people in here with linuxcnc controlled edm's
[10:38:12] <_methods> i believe wire and sinkers
[10:38:23] <Laurenceb_> interesting, using feedback from the EDM controller for feed rate?
[10:38:38] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ElectricalDischargeMachining
[10:38:47] <_methods> there's even a wiki page for it
[10:39:08] <mase-tech> Does anybody know a cheap mill
[10:39:18] <mase-tech> which could be converted in a cnc
[10:40:34] <Laurenceb_> _methods: thanks, looks like a discussion of all the issues I had in mind :P
[10:40:37] <_methods> i think the sieg x2 is probably one of the cheaper mills that is fairly easy to convert
[10:40:43] <SpeedEvil> In general, cheap, new, reliable, robust, accurate, pick two.
[10:40:43] <_methods> Laurenceb_: np
[10:41:36] <mase-tech> _methods: In the video I posted a x2 was also converted in a cnc maschine
[10:42:02] <_methods> yeah i have an x2 i converted
[10:42:10] <_methods> was fairly simple
[10:42:24] <mase-tech> how many axis do u use
[10:42:28] <_methods> i'm going to convert one of those small grizzly horizontals next
[10:42:31] <_methods> i'm just using 3 axis
[10:42:35] <mase-tech> nice
[10:43:04] <mase-tech> look above in the video there is a 5 axis converted cnc
[10:43:10] <mase-tech> he uses x2 too
[10:43:13] <Laurenceb_> _methods: so does the HAL support a feedrate input?
[10:43:15] <_methods> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mini-Horizontal-Vertical-Mill/G0727
[10:43:20] <mase-tech> would match for you I think
[10:43:21] <_methods> i'm going to do that next i believe
[10:43:46] <mase-tech> you are american ?
[10:43:51] <_methods> yep
[10:44:09] <mase-tech> I cannt find the x2 in ebay and amazon
[10:44:16] <_methods> i think the horizontal should be more solid than the x2
[10:44:28] <mase-tech> y looks very solid
[10:44:50] <mase-tech> are u machining for living or hobby
[10:44:57] <_methods> i'm a machinist by trade
[10:45:25] <_methods> i'm the shop IT guy, cnc programmer, draftsman hehe
[10:45:52] <_methods> small shop
[10:45:55] <_methods> have to wear many hats
[10:45:59] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: AIUI, HAL can do more or less everything
[10:46:21] <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Rigid_Tapping - also
[10:46:24] <mase-tech> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Milling-Machines/Model-Super-X2-Plus-Mill/SIEG-Super-X2P-HiTorque-Mill/SIEG-Super-X2P-HiTorque-Mill-Belt-Drive-with-Brushless-Motor
[10:46:29] <mase-tech> 675 punds
[10:46:58] <mase-tech> 870 Euros
[10:47:00] <mase-tech> :(
[10:47:10] <_methods> no way its 675 lbs
[10:47:11] <SpeedEvil> mase-tech: What are you hoping to do?
[10:47:19] <_methods> more like 100 lbs at most
[10:47:28] <mase-tech> Aim is to earn money :D
[10:47:30] <_methods> ohhhhh
[10:47:33] <_methods> money lbs
[10:47:35] <mase-tech> I am student
[10:47:41] <SpeedEvil> mase-tech: that will be sharply limited in capability
[10:47:48] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: ah I see its labviewesque
[10:47:59] <archivist> get an industrial mating to earn money
[10:48:08] <archivist> machine
[10:48:10] <Laurenceb_> industrial mating
[10:48:16] <Laurenceb_> so like a brothel?
[10:48:22] <SpeedEvil> AIUI, but I've never touched labview
[10:48:37] <Laurenceb_> you are lucky then
[10:48:56] <archivist> eating a sammich and tyoping at the same time
[10:49:50] <mase-tech> I don t understand. What is a sammich
[10:50:42] <mase-tech> I wanted to say that I am limited in money
[10:50:56] <mase-tech> I cannt spend 2000 Euro into a godd cnc machine
[10:51:01] <Laurenceb_> ah
http://emc-users.narkive.com/EIzYDeBq/realtime-feedrate-variation-based-on-analog-sensor
[10:51:08] <Laurenceb_> this answers my question
[10:51:18] <archivist> second hand industrial can be a similar price to junk chinese
[10:51:25] <Laurenceb_> so I guess periodic back off would just be done by modifying the G code
[10:56:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.videojet.com/us/homepage/products/laser-marking-systems/high-performance-co2-lasers/videojet-3330.html they want ~$33K for this plus $6k fro 2 days of safety training
[10:56:49] <CaptHindsight> 30W co2 laser marker with some proprietary control interface
[11:02:58] <archivist> some profit margin :)
[11:03:55] <CaptHindsight> yeah. I knew they marked things up but that was a surprise
[11:06:27] <skunkworks__> https://youtu.be/YwJLJxoKuM8
[11:06:48] <CaptHindsight> "Laser Source Expected Life 45,000 hours " heh, I wonder if that is in the warranty or just the fantasy specs
[11:07:05] <CaptHindsight> like bandwidth up to 100mb/sec
[11:08:17] <SpeedEvil> That is 250 gigabytes of text
[11:08:42] <CaptHindsight> 800lbs of general data
[11:09:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 46K hours is about the avg life of a CO2 laser tube.
[11:09:47] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: when properly rated
[11:09:55] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: That's NOT operational hours, that's how long it'll last on the shelf and/or in use.
[11:10:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Basically it's a "BEST BY" date
[11:12:23] <CaptHindsight> they don't let you take it apart until after you buy it
[11:13:47] <CaptHindsight> no way to know how well they made it
[11:14:08] <CaptHindsight> have to read the warranty fine print to see what you really get
[11:21:28] <archivist> skunkworks, just started to make my 5 axis more trunnion like, dunno if I shall carry on hand coding
[11:30:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I never heard fo the company before, but sounds like they are competition to
http://www.coherent.com/
[11:31:42] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: Coherent has been making laser for many years. Videojet has been making marking systems for years, but mainly known for inkjet
[11:32:22] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, never heard of videojet before =)
[11:33:07] <CaptHindsight> videojet also sells $1k work of inkjet hardware for $30K
[11:33:27] <pcw_home> Videojet dates from the 70's
[11:34:07] <CaptHindsight> or mounts a $300 dispensing valve on a 3 axis router ($2K) for $50K
[11:34:42] <CaptHindsight> yeah mostly CIJ, continuous inkjet
[11:37:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: The production package marking (inkjet) I've seen are messy and a pita. But, eh, whatever. Not something I'd ever consider. I'd find a cheap CO2 and galvo
[11:38:07] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I was just pointing out the markup
[11:38:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: =)
[11:38:36] <CaptHindsight> I was just asked by a customer if I could build a system if they gave me that laser
[11:39:25] <CaptHindsight> I said sure, but I'd only be using the tube and power supply that we could get elsewhere for well under $2k
[11:39:43] <Jymmm> not the galvo?
[11:39:58] <Jymmm> nor optics?
[11:40:46] <CaptHindsight> the galvo is controlled bu videojets proprietary controller
[11:41:05] <Jymmm> They say "PC" too, did you get the protocol?
[11:41:37] <Jymmm> besides, if it's just a glavo, couldn't be that difficult.
[11:42:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If you find a *AIR COOLED* 30W CO2 for under $2000, PLEASE let me know!!!
[11:42:19] <CaptHindsight> why pay $30k for their tube, power supply and galvo and then cannibalize it, lose the warranty
[11:42:29] <CaptHindsight> etc etc
[11:42:54] <Jymmm> No need to cannibalize it in the least.
[11:42:56] <CaptHindsight> water cooled is fine
[11:43:40] <Jymmm> 30W water cooled starts to get big
[11:44:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: But I am serious. If you find an air cooled for under $2K let me know.
[11:44:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Also, if you come across galvo "modules", I'm interested in links you find.
[11:45:18] <CaptHindsight> it's on the Google
[11:45:24] <Jymmm> Yeah... not.
[11:46:08] <CaptHindsight> if the water jacket is left off the tube, air cooling is easy
[11:46:13] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: realistic stuff, not $60K for 1W lasers
[11:46:45] <CaptHindsight> not sure what you are looking for
[11:47:00] <CaptHindsight> or what you understand it to be
[11:48:34] <Jymmm> Uh.... see above?
[11:49:45] <Jymmm> MY Laser is a air cooled 30W CO2. That's JSUT the laser, not any mechanics/optics/PS/controller/etc
[11:50:37] <Jymmm> So when you said above less then $30K, or "Under $2k" Im interested
[11:52:13] <Jymmm> Hell, even under $4K might be acceptable
[11:53:20] <enleth> d/win 36
[11:53:22] <enleth> damn
[12:14:30] <maxcnc> hi
[12:35:11] <Polymorphism> almost lost my pigeon, phew
[12:35:37] * Polymorphism continues research
[12:37:45] <jdh> just buy something
[12:38:13] <archivist> not going to happen in a month of sundays
[12:38:38] <Polymorphism> I'm looking at shapeoko 3 again
[12:38:52] <Polymorphism> nearly 1/3 the cost of the xzero machine and if it does what I need
[12:38:58] <Polymorphism> I could always get something else later after learning
[12:39:06] <Polymorphism> assuming it will work for my current needs, they said it would
[12:39:10] <Polymorphism> except for, oddly, the pcb
[12:39:15] <Polymorphism> they said they dont recommend it for that
[12:40:25] <archivist> if something cannot do pcb then I question quality front panel engraving
[12:41:11] <maxcnc> ah the undicided havend made a dicicion
[12:41:21] <maxcnc> i sold now 3 of his mashines
[12:41:26] <maxcnc> within 14days
[12:41:44] <Polymorphism> I'm much closer to a decision
[12:41:51] <maxcnc> Thanks for the hint on the 100100
[12:42:16] <Polymorphism> no prob
[12:42:22] <maxcnc> you woudt have a real good cheep mashine running if you grap a drill and make it yourself
[12:44:16] <Polymorphism> I may end up doing some of that if I get raptor
[12:44:41] <Polymorphism> the biggest concern I have with raptor is sourcing my own wire and harnesses and building or buying an enclosure to put the VFD, drivers, PSU, etc into
[12:45:30] <Polymorphism> with clean copnnectors for motors spindle etc
[12:46:10] <Polymorphism> and the total cost associated with finishing the machine as it comes with frame motors drivers psu spindle mount ballscrews rails etc and no spindle and nothing wired up
[12:51:11] <maxcnc> cheeper better parts and the konwHow of what the mashie is able to do is nothing compare to China Work
[12:51:57] <maxcnc> you got all infos and even more from the pros so you are a real undicided with money
[12:52:23] <Polymorphism> this is a dificult decision
[12:52:27] <Polymorphism> you make a good point for sure
[12:53:35] <maxcnc> there are now 1000 DIY build worldwide every day from noobs with less info then you got
[12:53:59] <maxcnc> from LEGO to whatever you imagin
[12:54:29] <maxcnc> sets like wantai are cheep and powerfull for 1000lbs mashines
[12:54:36] <maxcnc> under 300USD
[12:55:04] <pink_vampire> black anodize with rit = yellow
[12:55:13] <maxcnc> ready made driving tread blocks TR or BS
[12:55:38] <maxcnc> and rails of all sizes all needs and all costs
[12:56:05] <jdh> it's a trivial decision
[12:57:03] <maxcnc> Hard wood in every small town across the world even Ndidah today 52Deg C got a Carpenter in town
[12:57:20] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, bad dye?
[12:57:33] <maxcnc> jdh: not on him as he got a Budget and a idee and a dream
[12:57:53] <maxcnc> here we got only a dream no budget
[12:58:15] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: is a rit black dye
[12:58:17] <maxcnc> most of us got a budget and a idee and dream of better ones
[12:58:43] <jdh> the choice matters less than the effort
[12:59:15] <maxcnc> i made last jear about 100+ diys and every one is not the best as you runn the G-code
[12:59:31] <maxcnc> test files proof there is always better things
[13:00:00] <maxcnc> gear vs speed vs precicion
[13:00:21] <maxcnc> tilting on gantry over 1,5m
[13:00:42] <maxcnc> cable length to plasmas over 2,5m
[13:01:02] <maxcnc> the frame watertight
[13:01:15] <maxcnc> or leaking on delivery
[13:01:43] <maxcnc> plasmas that burst the power of the coustomer
[13:01:57] <maxcnc> storrys to tell
[13:02:16] <Polymorphism> I need something with no power bursting or gantry tilt etc
[13:02:23] <maxcnc> all over make a decicion go for it and live with it
[13:02:27] <Polymorphism> true
[13:02:33] <Polymorphism> that is what I must do
[13:02:55] <maxcnc> you shure wil be not happy with all
[13:03:19] <Polymorphism> if I get raptor I'll be happy
[13:03:21] <maxcnc> noicy drivers can kill your health
[13:03:22] <Polymorphism> but broke
[13:03:24] <Polymorphism> xD
[13:03:56] <maxcnc> ballscrews and wood dust is sometimes a nightmare
[13:04:16] <maxcnc> frame cover against DIY decine
[13:04:23] <maxcnc> desine
[13:04:51] <maxcnc> spellig?
[13:05:25] <maxcnc> design
[13:05:28] <maxcnc> ;-)
[13:05:47] <Polymorphism> =D
[13:05:53] <Polymorphism> wood dust...
[13:06:04] <Polymorphism> I'll be building a dust shoe and cyclonic separation system
[13:06:15] <Polymorphism> maybew it works for chips?
[13:06:34] <Polymorphism> I wont even have chips... I'll have dust with my shallow DoC and 2mm thick al
[13:06:36] <maxcnc> spindle with rot ofsets so mashie vibration will let the mashine walk on mounting table or the table itself
[13:06:51] <Polymorphism> spindle runout?
[13:06:57] <Polymorphism> chinese spindle is supposed to be "ok"
[13:07:21] <Polymorphism> less than .005mm claimed
[13:07:35] <Polymorphism> I would be usingf that spindle with either raptor or omio cnc
[13:07:51] <Polymorphism> maybe thats why they said shapeoko3 isnt advised for pcb
[13:07:59] <Polymorphism> because the router///dremel spindle would be higher runout
[13:08:08] <Polymorphism> with chinese LC spindle maybe its fine
[13:08:18] <Polymorphism> still added cost, then it costs same as 6040
[13:08:37] <Polymorphism> truth be told I will probably get raptor mini or x6-2200l
[13:08:44] <Polymorphism> if shapeoko3 wont work
[13:09:12] <Polymorphism> so much to consider....
[13:09:19] <Polymorphism> the ultimate decision of a lifetime
[13:09:56] <Polymorphism> I'm a perfectionist with the budget of a pauper
[13:10:03] <Polymorphism> this is part of the issue
[13:12:27] <Polymorphism> I have some intense research to do, I'll be back a bit later
[13:14:27] <CaptHindsight> is this some weird social experiment?
[13:15:22] <pink_vampire> LOL OMG!!
[13:15:41] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: good one!
[13:15:58] <_methods> the cereal aisle at the grocery store must make that moron have seizures
[13:16:53] <Polymorphism> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/commercial-cnc-wood-routers/285078-cnc.html
[13:16:56] <Polymorphism> some work done by mini raptor
[13:16:59] <Polymorphism> looks nice to my untrained eye
[13:19:56] <Polymorphism> I talked to that guy and he says raptor might even be more than I need though. Hence the consideration oncemore of the shapeoko3
[13:20:03] <Polymorphism> bbl for real, have to run for a bit
[13:20:50] <CaptHindsight> _methods: have you seen a Raisin Bran that doesn't put sugar on the raisins?
[13:21:19] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: don't go
[13:21:25] <_methods> lol
[13:21:49] <_methods> CaptHindsight: nope but i will do some research
[13:21:54] <_methods> i'll make some spreadsheets
[13:22:13] <_methods> and waffle about like a 98 y/o woman
[13:22:27] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: please tell me more, you can't leave like that.
[13:22:29] <CaptHindsight> is there an IRC channel that might be more appropriate for this discussion?
[13:22:35] <_methods> should i wear diapers today or not
[13:22:44] <_methods> so hard to decide
[13:22:45] <maxcnc> Gn8
[13:22:46] <CaptHindsight> ##cereals ?
[13:22:50] <_methods> lol
[13:23:02] <_methods> ##diapers
[13:23:41] <_methods> what is this like week 5 of this now?
[13:23:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/oops-i-crapped-my-pants/n11128
[13:24:41] <_methods> poopoo
[13:24:55] <CaptHindsight> ##cantdecide
[13:25:08] <_methods> ##decision2016
[13:25:12] <_methods> or more like
[13:25:19] <_methods> ##decision2017?
[13:25:51] <CaptHindsight> it's beyond the absurd
[13:28:29] <_methods> meh i just put the /ignore on him
[13:28:54] <_methods> but you can still tell when the moron is posting in here by how stupid the conversation gets
[13:29:20] <CaptHindsight> I cleared mine, figured it must be over by now
[13:29:32] <_methods> hahah
[13:29:39] <_methods> it would appear it is still happening
[13:34:05] <CaptHindsight> Can't Decide, the reality series......
[13:34:47] <CaptHindsight> a camera team follows them around as they go through their days shopping at the mall
[13:34:56] <_methods> lol
[13:35:11] <_methods> like hoarders but in reverse?
[13:35:15] <_methods> they never buy anything
[13:35:32] <CaptHindsight> like Gilligans Island except they never buy anything
[13:35:49] <CaptHindsight> just when you think they are, nope
[15:22:46] <mase-tech> Hey Peps :)
[15:22:51] <mase-tech> I am back
[15:23:11] * evil_ren suspicious
[15:23:48] <mase-tech> Why whats up :)
[15:24:14] <evil_ren> u :) too much
[15:24:49] <mase-tech> Why am I suspicious
[15:24:58] <mase-tech> Hmm nvm
[15:26:00] <mase-tech> do you know this cnc
[15:26:15] <mase-tech> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[15:26:50] <mase-tech> I narrowed my descion for cnc
[15:27:12] <mase-tech> The most I want is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[15:27:45] <mase-tech> but I think I will kill my budget
[15:28:13] <mase-tech> so I must decide between
http://www.ebay.de/itm/like/CNC-ROUTER-GRAVIRMASCHINE-3040T-3-ACHSEN-FRASGERAT-PRINTER-CUTTER-BARGAIN-SALE/272202061393?hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1&_trksid=p2050601.c100103.m2451&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150422114059%26meid%3Db0d4f9ea413b4ddb945b738d5a17d5f0%26pid%3D100103%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D121826366502%26clkid%3D4967537883093358030&_qi=RTM2266093
[15:28:19] <mase-tech> 600 Euro
[15:28:31] <mase-tech> or
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[15:28:53] <mase-tech> which is much cheaper but I think the resultes will bwe much worse
[15:29:22] <XXCoder> I can see router twisting
[15:30:05] <mase-tech> I see it coming to something will go wrong
[15:30:14] <mase-tech> which is very probaly
[15:30:20] <mase-tech> so trail and error
[15:31:41] <XXCoder> chinese one you will have problems with bearings, clean em out and stuff and should be fine
[15:31:55] <mase-tech> I cannot spend more
[15:32:00] <mase-tech> thats the problem
[15:32:13] <mase-tech> 700 Euro is max
[15:33:31] <mase-tech> XXCoder: I read some things about 3040T. They have improved it
[15:34:17] <XXCoder> cool
[15:34:32] <XXCoder> aliexpress sometimes has cheaper routers btw
[15:34:40] <XXCoder> just check feedbacks of sellers and stuff
[15:35:23] <jdh> and factor shipping
[15:36:40] <XXCoder> indeed
[15:36:53] <mase-tech> They have a store in germany
[15:37:02] <mase-tech> no shipping cost
[15:37:06] <XXCoder> lucky ya
[15:37:08] <XXCoder> I paid
[15:37:13] <XXCoder> $200 shipping lol
[15:38:01] <Jymmm> sometimes cheaper on ebay/amazon, even from the SAME seller.
[15:38:32] <mase-tech> can u show me your cnc machines
[15:39:00] <Jymmm> Sure, $19.95 for showing and processing =)
[15:39:07] <_methods> heheh
[15:39:10] <mase-tech> ha
[15:39:27] <mase-tech> I will build a 5 axis cnc friend
[15:39:33] <mase-tech> I promise
[15:40:49] <mase-tech> simply like he did
[15:40:51] <mase-tech> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[15:46:18] <CaptHindsight> whats a 3040 ballscrew, couplings, motors and drives kit cost?
[15:46:56] <XXCoder> mase-tech: nice video
[15:48:00] <mase-tech> Yes the video is inspiring
[15:48:04] <mase-tech> at least for me
[15:48:33] <mase-tech> A new mill cost 900 EUro
[15:48:36] <XXCoder> looks like hardest paet is cam as usual lol
[15:48:42] <Loetmichel> soo, got that kitchen sink drain a bit nicer than saturday... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16265&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ... MUUUCH better than the impromptu i made when i realized that i forgot to get some 40mm pipe after the hardware stores had closed two days ago... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16262&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ;-)
[15:48:43] <mase-tech> which I already told is to much for me
[15:49:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2xSBR16-400-450-500mm-RM1605-450-500-550mm-ballscrew-BK-BF12-CNC-Kits-/262054564636 ~$400 with shipping
[15:49:37] <mase-tech> XXCoder: The man in the video converted a X2 mill
[15:49:48] <mase-tech> so I looked for x2 Mill
[15:50:02] <mase-tech> In german a new x2 costs 900euro
[15:50:03] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: that is actyally decent
[15:50:57] <Loetmichel> ... and the cuts from that 0,2mm stainless steel "foil" sink are already healing... ;-)
[15:51:24] <CaptHindsight> + stepper and driver kit and 1 sheet of plywood, 1 can resin, 1 bucket granite flakes
[15:52:21] <XXCoder> apparently fusion 360 can do 5 axis cam
[15:52:38] <XXCoder> and its limited scope free
[15:53:01] <mase-tech> 4xnema 23 270OZ+TB6560+powersupply 170 Euro
[15:54:07] <CaptHindsight> $400 + $125 for 3 motors and drives + +$20 plywood+ $40 resin + +$30 granite
[15:54:34] <mase-tech> motor = nema 23 ?
[15:54:38] <CaptHindsight> = ~ $615
[15:54:41] <XXCoder> mase-tech: so your goal is 5 axis
[15:54:56] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: thats not too bad, since his limit is 650 euro
[15:54:57] <mase-tech> 5 axis is end of the road
[15:55:03] <mase-tech> lets make small steps
[15:56:02] <XXCoder> I want to make 4 axis myself, just lathe type attachment to my router lol
[15:57:13] <mase-tech> CaptHindsight: Can u show the 3 motors
[15:59:38] <CaptHindsight> something like these?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Axis-1-5-3A-Stepper-Driver-Cnc-Kit-Nema23-24Vpsu-For-Mill-Router-175-Oz-In-/351708412496
[16:01:09] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Top-Selling-4Axis-Nema-23-Stepper-Motor-287oz-in-Driver-board-TB6560-CNC-Kit-/200582250308?hash=item2eb3a23f44:g:-R0AAOxyaTxRIzDK
[16:05:39] <andypugh> Darn it! I have decided I need an O-ring. So can’t get the lathe saddle fitted.
[16:06:27] <andypugh> Which is a bit frustrating as it is likely to take days to get one.
[16:08:35] <pink_vampire> andypugh: what do you mean?
[16:10:04] <andypugh> Well, the new apron I made for my lathe is (finally) finished, or so I thought. Then I realised that I need an O-ring seal on the servo motor mount, and can’t get the assembly any further without it.
[16:11:35] <andypugh> Everything below the saddle (the part with the allen key on it) is all-new. And most of it was made by me. (excet the encoders anf the oil sight glass).
[16:11:38] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6277252547523150274
[16:11:53] <andypugh> I have been at it for _months_
[16:13:20] <andypugh> The oval cover is meant to contain oil for the drive chain, I need the O-ring to stop that oil falling out round the servo motor.
[16:15:11] <mase-tech> andypugh: nice andy
[16:15:37] <mase-tech> your google +
[16:16:04] <mase-tech> what did u paid for the lathe
[16:16:37] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Any insight on HOW the 110/220 switch works here?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DuroMax-XP4400EH-Hybrid-Portable-Dual-Fuel-Propane-Gas-Camping-RV-Generator-/400783291524
[16:17:07] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I called the factory and the tech wans't all that helpful
[16:18:52] <andypugh> mase-tech: £1100
[16:32:17] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I don't see a switch. It probably generates 220 with a center tap for 110
[16:35:40] <mase-tech> peps good night
[16:52:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Left of the "main breaker"...
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aLMAAOSwKtlWlE4t/s-l1600.jpg
[16:52:27] <FloppyDisk> andypugh - looks great. Nice dials on the sliding axis (not sure of real name). Looks like mesa cards for pendant input.
[16:52:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: As I've been told it's 220@15A -OR- 110@30A
[16:53:01] <Jymmm> Well specifically 33.3A
[16:58:17] <Deejay> gn8
[17:00:55] <Jymmm> Ya know, =>20A 11/220 mains (in the USA) connectors just drive me nuts!
[17:01:06] <Jymmm> 110/220*
[17:02:05] <Jymmm> Compare these two 4-prong...
http://www.powerfittools.com/images/products/product_pages/adaptor_20_30.jpg -AND-
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aLMAAOSwKtlWlE4t/s-l1600.jpg
[17:03:19] <Jymmm> On one, the tab faces inward, on the other the tab faces outward?! That is *SO* easily overlooked in the store when you're just trying to find the right cable/cord/connector out of a bunch of bins
[17:05:06] <Jymmm> and that 110V@20A outlet... I have one that has the sideways spade on the left, and another one on the right =(
[17:05:20] <Jymmm> both of them female too.
[17:12:41] <Jymmm> This, I get...
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/271182878246-0-1/s-l1000.jpg But who thought this was a great idea for such a heavy cord is beyond me...
http://www.rokuang.com/Upload/PicFiles/20126141638164792.jpg
[18:39:50] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV3qK8JJa-c
[18:40:02] <_methods> heh who says you can't use carbide in a little lathe
[18:40:11] <_methods> my poor little lathe
[18:46:14] <Valen> that doesn't look like a little lathe
[18:47:22] <_methods> it's tiny
[18:47:26] <_methods> atlas th42
[18:49:04] <Valen> heh looked 3x the size in the video
[18:49:12] <_methods> yeah they're small
[18:49:15] <_methods> only 10x42
[18:49:17] <Valen> still the motor might be tiny but the bed is beefy
[18:49:25] <_methods> but that was 4140 .100" off the diameter
[18:49:52] <zeeshan> worlds slowest cut?!?
[18:49:52] <zeeshan> :D
[19:01:55] <andypugh> Has anyone ever said you can’t use carbide on a little lathe?
[19:04:33] <zeeshan> nope
[19:04:36] <zeeshan> only people who dont machine
[19:04:36] <zeeshan> :P
[19:05:32] <andypugh> Now, I will admit that you can’t machine carbide on a little lathe. Or most big ones, for that matter. :-)
[19:08:02] <zeeshan> man
[19:08:08] <zeeshan> the high speed machining vid i made
[19:08:13] <zeeshan> came out so dark and jittery :(
[19:08:20] * zeeshan is annoyed
[19:09:03] <_methods> yeah most of those little lathe guys say don't use carbide
[19:09:27] <SpeedEvil> HSS can generally be gotten sharper
[19:09:35] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: back that up
[19:09:52] <SpeedEvil> ^perhaps I should add 'without much skill'
[19:09:54] <zeeshan> last time i checked, my carbide 3 flute end mills are
[19:10:04] <zeeshan> 0.0002" cutting edge radius
[19:10:46] <zeeshan> the edge will break pretty easily on steel though, which is why i think for steel they are 0.0007"
[19:11:27] <zeeshan> which just means you need to at least take a 0.0007" ipt cut otherwise you're not cutting
[19:11:32] <zeeshan> (assuming no chip thinning etc)
[19:11:40] <zeeshan> most machiens can do that no prob :P
[19:12:50] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoAgAy7RBGU
[19:12:56] <zeeshan> ^ sorry for bad video
[19:12:59] <zeeshan> but thats how you rough!!
[19:13:36] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I got my machine up to 20ipm cutting
[19:13:45] <zeeshan> nice
[19:13:46] <zeeshan> what matl
[19:13:50] <malcom2073> aluminum of course heh
[19:13:53] <zeeshan> hehe
[19:13:58] <malcom2073> Spindle at 2800 with a 5/32 endmill
[19:13:59] <zeeshan> im cutting at ~150 ipm there
[19:14:06] <zeeshan> .1875 doc
[19:14:11] <malcom2073> Yeah my linuxcnc limits me to 45, too much jitter
[19:14:20] <zeeshan> i forgot the woc i think .05
[19:14:27] <zeeshan> oh
[19:15:57] <zeeshan> malcom2073: no mesa hardware?
[19:20:25] <Laurenceb> hi all, I have a general question about EDM
[19:20:42] <Laurenceb> does a larger tool take longer to machine the part
[19:21:08] <Laurenceb> I'm just thinking, if you can only strike one arc at a time its going to take proportionally longer?
[19:22:37] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Nope
[19:30:02] <malcom2073> zeeshan: If I thought I could cut under load at those speeds I'd maybe get one but... meh
[19:30:18] <zeeshan> you can
[19:30:21] <zeeshan> the cut im doing
[19:30:33] <zeeshan> isnt only putting 65 lb of feed force
[19:30:36] <zeeshan> *is
[19:30:42] <malcom2073> I think that's getting above the torque dropoff of my steppers
[19:30:45] <malcom2073> in terms of rpm
[19:30:47] <zeeshan> oh
[19:31:10] <malcom2073> I had a really good idea for measuring that
[19:32:37] <malcom2073> Get a digital scale on a hard spring, and run into it until it skips steps
[19:32:52] <zeeshan> haha
[19:32:55] <zeeshan> that'd be awesome
[19:32:56] <malcom2073> should give me an idea at what feed force I skip for different speeds
[19:32:57] <zeeshan> and simple..
[19:33:50] <malcom2073> I'll see if I can find a cheapie that'll read out max weight or something, cause it'll hit it and then immediatly go off when it skips
[19:34:26] <zeeshan> you gave me an idea
[19:34:36] <zeeshan> you could get a spring of known spring rate
[19:34:42] <zeeshan> and just put a dial indicator and measure how much it deflects?
[19:34:56] <malcom2073> That may be easier, possily also cheaper
[19:35:00] <malcom2073> Well
[19:35:02] <yasnak> Laurenceb: yeah it does. depends on the machine too. You want to strike a balance on gaining productivity by stacking multiple parts to use the machine to its best ability.
[19:35:10] <malcom2073> Depends on how much a known spring rate spring costs that can do 60-100lbs
[19:35:24] <zeeshan> i think a valve spring might be too tense
[19:35:28] <zeeshan> *stiff
[19:35:29] <malcom2073> Or I could figure out the spring weight with a scale and a measuring tape
[19:35:29] <malcom2073> ?
[19:35:34] <malcom2073> spring rate*
[19:35:52] <zeeshan> thats how we measured spring rates in a lab
[19:35:57] <zeeshan> but requires known masses
[19:36:04] <zeeshan> its easier just to buy a spring with a known spring rate
[19:36:07] <zeeshan> valve springs are really good for that
[19:36:17] <zeeshan> most of the v8 stuff is documented
[19:36:24] <zeeshan> or next time you're ordering from mcmastercarr
[19:36:26] <zeeshan> grab one :)
[19:36:30] <malcom2073> Heh
[19:36:37] <malcom2073> I have a random assortment, wonder if any of them have model numbers
[19:37:06] <zeeshan> what the hell
[19:37:14] <zeeshan> 4" Overall Length 1.937" 0.312" 2.73" 597.00 470.00 1 96485K384 13.56
[19:37:18] <zeeshan> 13.56 bucks!
[19:37:29] <zeeshan> actually that one is too stiff
[19:37:33] <zeeshan> 470lb/in
[19:37:38] <malcom2073> hah
[19:38:36] <malcom2073> Still, looks like I may be able to put together something for under $50 to do this
[19:38:46] <zeeshan> dial indicator you have
[19:38:47] <zeeshan> 1"?
[19:39:03] <malcom2073> a lot less than that, and spring loaded so that's no good
[19:39:19] <malcom2073> What am I talking about, table shouldn't bounce back
[19:39:33] <zeeshan> not unless it skips a step =D
[19:39:51] <malcom2073> Eh, the bounce back may be acceptable tolerance
[19:39:54] <malcom2073> in terms of measuring force
[19:41:47] <malcom2073> Couldn't I use a spring scale?
[19:41:53] <malcom2073> The kind that has the slider to register max force?
[19:41:58] <zeeshan> ya
[19:42:02] <zeeshan> but im not sure where you'd wedge it
[19:42:13] <malcom2073> Knee mill, tons of places :)
[19:42:17] <malcom2073> I'd make a bracket for it
[19:42:55] <malcom2073> hmmm
[19:43:04] <malcom2073> Once you get into the 50+lb range, the spring scales get expensive lol
[19:43:32] <enleth> what's the point of a vertical lathe with a top-mounted, downwards-pointing headstock? just stumbled upon such a machine on an auction
[19:50:41] <zeeshan> enleth: the chips fall straight down
[19:50:41] <zeeshan> :P
[19:51:01] <malcom2073> zeeshan:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#9630k7/=12542se
[19:51:14] <zeeshan> that'd work
[19:51:15] <zeeshan> but jeez 22 bux
[19:51:18] <zeeshan> its a damn spring!
[19:51:27] <malcom2073> 2" OD heh
[19:51:32] <malcom2073> 7" long
[19:51:33] <malcom2073> it's big
[19:52:25] <zeeshan> enleth think about it to yourself! :P
[19:53:30] <enleth> zeeshan: sounds weird for the only advantage
[19:53:37] <zeeshan> thats not the only advantage
[19:53:44] <enleth> that's what I figured
[19:54:13] <zeeshan> hint
[19:54:15] <zeeshan> gravity
[19:54:22] <enleth> loading it with stock must be a PITA, holding it up until the chuck engages (this one seems to have a collet chuck)
[19:54:33] <zeeshan> its easier
[19:54:37] <enleth> unless there's some kind of mechanism that props it up
[19:54:53] <zeeshan> imagine a 20" part
[19:54:56] <zeeshan> 8" thick
[19:55:04] <zeeshan> do you really want to load that sideways?
[19:55:19] <zeeshan> vertical also means it can built more rigid
[19:55:26] <enleth> with a crane, sure
[19:55:28] <zeeshan> because you can support about 270 degrees around the spindle
[19:55:41] <enleth> OK, that makes sense
[19:55:44] <zeeshan> and the lathe thing i can think of is footprint
[19:55:52] <zeeshan> im a regular lathe sitting up
[19:55:55] <zeeshan> imagine how much space you save
[19:56:12] <zeeshan> we had 22-25 of those sl5 la thes
[19:56:15] <zeeshan> *lathes
[19:56:26] <zeeshan> they had a conveyor that went throu them
[19:56:38] <zeeshan> and it'd pick up the part, place it inthe chuck and machine away
[19:57:03] <zeeshan> but i agree with you, i personally found it a pain in the ass to fix things on it
[19:57:13] <zeeshan> even loading parts manually was annoying
[19:57:29] <zeeshan> vl5 not sl5
[19:58:51] <enleth> yeah, a conveyor setup seems to be an ideal use for those
[19:59:11] <enleth> but definitely not doing short runs with manual tending
[20:15:32] <witnit> JT-Shop: good to learn glad you found it
[20:28:46] <zeeshan> hm
[20:28:52] <zeeshan> i still gotta machine thbis part
[20:28:59] <zeeshan> and i always have had trouble doing this type of work
[20:29:12] <zeeshan> especially when its large, and cant fit in my vise along the length
[20:36:20] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QRhWipp.png
[20:36:31] <zeeshan> the 60 degree angle
[20:36:34] <zeeshan> how do i hold that?
[20:37:04] <zeeshan> put a 30 degree angle in the vise?
[20:37:26] <cradek> heh 60.000
[20:37:36] <zeeshan> yes 60 degrees is what i want to do
[20:38:02] <zeeshan> | xxxxxxxxxxx |
[20:38:04] <zeeshan> | are my vise jaws
[20:38:09] <zeeshan> i can't hold the part like that
[20:38:15] <zeeshan> because the vise jaws only open 8"
[20:38:38] <zeeshan> which means i cant just angle the part and hold it at it's end (which is how i usually do it)
[20:38:59] <zeeshan> i need to hold the part perpendicular to the jaws,,, but i dont know how to hold it!
[20:39:05] <cradek> it's 19.5 inches long? looks tricky.
[20:39:30] <zeeshan> i need to set it up twice
[20:39:35] <zeeshan> cause i only have 15.7" travel
[20:39:55] <zeeshan> i'd feel so much better if i could set this type of stuff up -- it gives me trouble always
[20:40:20] <cradek> I don't know how I'd do that
[20:40:21] <zeeshan> http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_mill/Accessories/Vises/Angle_vise.jpg
[20:40:23] <zeeshan> is this the only way?
[20:40:33] <zeeshan> the way i have it currently planned
[20:40:37] <zeeshan> is holding the part square inthe vise
[20:40:40] <zeeshan> and just using an angle tool path
[20:40:42] <zeeshan> but it'll take forever
[20:43:29] <cradek> you could make several short fixture pieces that hold it at the right angle
[20:43:40] <cradek> little cradles for it to sit in
[20:43:54] <cradek> each one would be short enough to fit on the sine bar in your vise
[20:44:14] <cradek> or whatever you have that will give you this angle - I have a nice 30-60-90 triangle
[20:44:25] <zeeshan> i have a 45 and 30/60
[20:44:31] <zeeshan> both are 90's at the other end
[20:44:39] <zeeshan> but only got 1 of each
[20:44:42] <cradek> then cradle it in several, indicate, and clamp it down
[20:44:58] <zeeshan> but i cant clamp it down
[20:45:00] <cradek> yeah just use one to cut the angle you need in some scrap
[20:45:03] <zeeshan> because it'd be clamping on the edges of the part
[20:45:20] <cradek> yes you'll have to plan ahead - maybe do this surface first
[20:45:38] <cradek> or mount it to the fixtures with those screw holes
[20:46:35] <cradek> whatever you do, the solution will involve cutting this that aren't this part - think along those lines
[20:46:45] <cradek> er, things that aren't
[20:47:07] <zeeshan> hehe
[20:47:23] <zeeshan> looks like doing a ramp tool path in the xy plane is the quickest
[20:48:33] <zeeshan> poor end mill will be seeing a lot of pluging
[20:48:40] <Tom_itx> whassup?
[20:48:47] <unfy> ordering some parts for second cheap mill build sometime in the future :D
[20:49:12] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: cradek was suggesting on ways to mill the angle on the part
[20:49:23] <Tom_itx> what part?
[20:49:28] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QRhWipp.png
[20:49:56] <Tom_itx> just buy a $$$$ angle cutter :D
[20:50:01] <zeeshan> lol
[20:50:24] <unfy> 1.75" 60deg cutter ? ouch
[20:50:27] <Tom_itx> 5 axis would be easy
[20:50:45] <zeeshan> the more i look at it
[20:50:48] <Tom_itx> i had a cutter but it was a lesser angle
[20:50:57] <zeeshan> the more im thinking plunging with my 3/4" cutter would be easiest
[20:51:03] <zeeshan> with a nc tool path
[20:51:15] <cradek> then what, file it flat?
[20:51:19] <zeeshan> no no
[20:51:23] <cradek> no idea what tolerances you're working with here
[20:51:28] <zeeshan> 3 thou
[20:51:30] <cradek> I assume you don't mean 60.000 degrees
[20:51:36] <zeeshan> linear tolerance
[20:51:40] <zeeshan> haha idont
[20:51:46] <zeeshan> was a quick drawing :)
[20:51:51] <Tom_itx> use a 1" ball nose and the cusp height would be alot wider
[20:52:46] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/370638130253?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
[20:52:50] <Tom_itx> lay it flat and use that
[20:55:34] <Tom_itx> http://www.tapdie.com/html/inverted_dovetail_cutters-_inverted_dovetail_slot_mills_metric-_.html
[20:55:39] <Tom_itx> use an inverted dovetail cutter
[20:57:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.zps-fn.com/products/detail/inverted-dovetail-milling-cutters,-plain-shank,-din-1833-b,-d,-iso-3859,-~csn-222262,-high-speed-steel-hss-co5/
[20:57:37] <zeeshan> hm
[20:57:45] <zeeshan> i might have one of those
[20:57:47] <zeeshan> brb
[20:58:09] <Tom_itx> there's at least 5 other ways...
[20:59:26] <Tom_itx> would be better if you could find a spiral flute inverted dovetail but i dunno if they even exhist
[21:03:54] <jdh> http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/5552694396.html
[21:13:06] <_methods> Thx jdh
[21:13:17] <jdh> you are going to pick it up for me?
[21:13:17] <Frank__13> hellooo
[21:13:24] <_methods> I might go grab that
[21:13:26] <_methods> Heheh
[21:13:34] <_methods> Sure
[21:13:45] <jdh> I'd go 450ish I didn't have to drive to mt pleasant
[21:14:02] <_methods> You wantme to picki it up for u
[21:14:06] <jdh> I might be down there next month though.
[21:14:12] <jdh> nah, not without me seeing it.
[21:14:17] <_methods> K
[21:14:18] <jdh> he's got a mill too
[21:14:31] <jdh> sherline or wtf in an enclosure
[21:14:41] <_methods> I can go check it out and take pics if you want
[21:15:04] <jdh> it's small and might be cute.
[21:15:18] <_methods> Hehe
[21:15:20] <jdh> I think they really have like a 2.5
[21:15:25] <jdh> I think they really have like a 2.5" max working
[21:15:41] <_methods> Fun for garage
[21:16:03] <jdh> I have a 7x, 9x, 2x in my garage
[21:16:33] <_methods> have an emco too
[21:16:48] <jdh> which one?
[21:16:53] <jdh> oh, nevermind
[21:16:56] <BeachBumPete> evening folks
[21:17:00] <Jymmm> Is it common to have something like 1.15mm, 2.75mm, basically hundreds of a mm ?
[21:17:02] <jdh> hiya pete
[21:17:06] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/5XHtI5j.jpg
[21:17:09] <Jymmm> err tenths I mean
[21:17:10] <BeachBumPete> jey JDH
[21:17:10] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: ^
[21:17:13] <zeeshan> all i could find lol
[21:17:20] <zeeshan> dinky little cutter
[21:17:25] <zeeshan> that'll blow up cause itll get cloggedf
[21:17:25] <_methods> Pete
[21:17:33] <_methods> How is fla
[21:17:54] <BeachBumPete> _methods Pretty damn beautiful man ;)
[21:17:55] <jdh> I'm looking for some place in SoFla for a week in July right now
[21:18:18] <_methods> You renting kayaks on the beach yet
[21:18:19] <BeachBumPete> funny I'm lookin' for a place there too ;)
[21:18:36] <BeachBumPete> no need to rent man we own four kayaks :D
[21:18:49] <BeachBumPete> been out in them several times
[21:18:51] <_methods> It was beautiful today here too
[21:19:10] <_methods> 82 and suny
[21:19:39] <BeachBumPete> WTF? LOL
[21:20:51] <_methods> You broke your irc
[21:21:01] <BeachBumPete> Musta have
[21:21:22] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you might have to make a couple passes
[21:21:27] <Tom_itx> and blend it a bit
[21:21:52] <Tom_itx> rough the bulk of it away first
[21:22:05] <Tom_itx> and clean up with that
[21:22:40] <Tom_itx> use a bull nose to rough it
[21:23:15] <_methods> you still looking for a place?
[21:24:19] <BeachBumPete> well we were until yesterday...I think we found one finally.. we put some earnest money down on it anyway now we just gotta deal with the bank
[21:25:46] <_methods> good deal
[21:26:06] <_methods> Got a nice space for your toys?
[21:26:17] <BeachBumPete> well yes and no ;)
[21:26:25] <_methods> And 3 phase :)
[21:26:32] <BeachBumPete> it does have a nice size 2 car garage
[21:26:49] <BeachBumPete> but it is not near as big a garage as my shop in Tennessee was
[21:27:01] <_methods> Bummer
[21:27:13] <BeachBumPete> but it is big enough for the CNC's and most of my stuff
[21:27:28] <BeachBumPete> the good news is that the house is a nice corner lot
[21:27:35] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hand-tool/markham-york-region/3-sets-of-17-piece-precision-angle-block-set-ej99-2117/393765950?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[21:27:36] <zeeshan> anyone use these?
[21:27:41] <BeachBumPete> and it has a cool fenced in yard
[21:28:04] <Tom_itx> silly zee
[21:28:04] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: simulation time says 60 min
[21:28:05] <zeeshan> lol
[21:28:18] <Tom_itx> for what?
[21:28:21] <BeachBumPete> so I think what I will do is build a large shed/shop building out back for like just my woodworking tools
[21:28:27] <zeeshan> 25 thou step over
[21:28:28] <zeeshan> with a ball nose
[21:28:35] <Tom_itx> you could rig a sine plane
[21:28:50] <Tom_itx> try roughing with a bull nose and finish with that little cutter
[21:28:55] <BeachBumPete> so the garage will be JUST for my metalworking and Tig welding
[21:29:00] <zeeshan> oh i see what you mean
[21:29:06] <zeeshan> rough away with steps
[21:29:09] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:29:19] <Tom_itx> .1 step over or such
[21:29:23] <Tom_itx> maybe a bit less
[21:29:35] <Tom_itx> 1" cutter or so
[21:29:47] <zeeshan> im thinking i might just invest the time in making a proper jig
[21:29:51] <zeeshan> to allow me to mount at any angle
[21:29:55] <zeeshan> cause this seems to come up from time to time
[21:30:01] <zeeshan> and it pisses me off.. cause it takes forever
[21:30:08] <zeeshan> it looks so simple too..
[21:30:30] <zeeshan> thanks for the help guys
[21:30:33] <zeeshan> bed time :P
[21:30:33] <Tom_itx> https://www.google.com/search?q=adjustable+angle+plate&tbm=isch&imgil=ho6jSCEJYzxm8M%253A%253Bbe0s2fcWCKq_iM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.chronos.ltd.uk%25252Facatalog%25252Finfo_AAP.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ho6jSCEJYzxm8M%253A%252Cbe0s2fcWCKq_iM%252C_&usg=__ZR-yvZOB0BSjP5TSywrSfZ7b2wA%3D&biw=979&bih=664&ved=0ahUKEwiwpc6zm6vMAhXHQiYKHaqCBqIQyjcIKA&ei=qsweV7CoGseFmQGqhZqQCg#imgrc=ho6jSCEJYzxm8M%3A
[21:30:39] <Tom_itx> zee
[21:30:40] <zeeshan> hm
[21:31:02] <Tom_itx> http://www.homews.co.uk/page326.html
[21:31:30] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/city-of-toronto/swivel-angle-plate/490823954
[21:31:46] <zeeshan> expensive
[21:31:54] <Tom_itx> https://www.buckandhickman.com/find/category-is-L0ME+Measuring+Tools+and+Test+Equipment/category-is-ME+Measuring+Tools+and+Equipment/product-is-030366
[21:32:03] <zeeshan> jeez
[21:32:14] <zeeshan> whats stopping it from rotating?
[21:32:19] <zeeshan> tightening that bolt where it pivots?
[21:32:30] <Tom_itx> you should drill pins at some angles like 60 45 etc
[21:32:54] <Tom_itx> put a machinist jack under the front edge
[21:33:11] <zeeshan> asking for trouble :P
[21:33:25] <Tom_itx> get a 5 axis
[21:33:29] <zeeshan> lol
[21:33:32] <zeeshan> solution to everything
[21:33:33] <zeeshan> 5 axis!
[21:33:38] <Tom_itx> hah true
[21:33:40] <zeeshan> :D
[21:33:54] <zeeshan> that was the joke we pulled at work
[21:33:57] <Tom_itx> i'd go with the bull nose/ angle cutter combo
[21:34:05] <zeeshan> i will if i can't some up with a fixture
[21:34:11] <zeeshan> if i make a fixture
[21:34:15] <zeeshan> it'll be flexible
[21:34:17] <zeeshan> otherwise no point
[21:34:17] <Tom_itx> add up the time your fixture will take
[21:34:21] <Tom_itx> and cost
[21:34:24] <zeeshan> this is long term investment
[21:34:27] <zeeshan> for my own projects also
[21:34:47] <yasnak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yquUP_uRrKM
[21:34:50] <Tom_itx> i could also apply that excuse to a 5 axis
[21:34:56] <zeeshan> rofl
[21:34:57] <yasnak> there, now three machines running 24/7.
[21:35:30] <zeeshan> why is it so dark in the shop yasnak
[21:35:33] <Tom_itx> it also wouldn't require a P2 for that cut
[21:35:37] <Tom_itx> your solution would
[21:35:43] <yasnak> because its night haha
[21:35:47] <zeeshan> =P
[21:35:57] <yasnak> the back swiss shop runs unattended from 5pm - 5am
[21:36:30] <yasnak> this is my first actual part ejection system. the rest are the ol' brake line through spindle into bucket type. not exactly osha approved ;)
[21:37:09] <Tom_itx> yasnak where do you live? i'll have em pay you a visit
[21:37:22] <Tom_itx> you know their minimum fine is $7k
[21:37:29] <yasnak> thanks bro
[21:37:30] <yasnak> i'm good
[21:37:35] <Tom_itx> and that's just for not having their posters displayed
[21:38:07] <yasnak> you mean i need to put the interlocks on again? sigh
[21:38:12] <Tom_itx> hah
[21:38:26] <Tom_itx> i just finished an OSHA class...
[21:38:33] <BeachBumPete> those look like sweet machines
[21:41:05] <BeachBumPete> hopefully we can close on our new house and I can get my machine back in my shop so I can continue working on my CNC lathe build. Can't wait to be able to use that thing..
[21:41:30] <yasnak> tom
[21:41:32] <yasnak> as did i
[21:41:54] <yasnak> I've never met such interesting people then at that OSHA class
[21:42:18] <Tom_itx> there were all sorts at mine
[21:42:51] <yasnak> I would be worried about some people's safety programs after meeting some haha
[21:42:58] <yasnak> Two day class?
[21:43:00] <Tom_itx> most were monkey machinists but there were a few healthcare personell etc
[21:43:11] <Tom_itx> yea
[21:43:13] <Tom_itx> 2 day
[21:43:16] <yasnak> Yeah
[21:43:19] <Tom_itx> osha10
[21:43:25] <yasnak> fines just went up
[21:43:29] <yasnak> yayddayahayh
[21:43:55] <Tom_itx> they recently got a couple around here for upwards of 100k
[21:44:09] <yasnak> fatality?
[21:44:13] <Tom_itx> no
[21:44:17] <yasnak> repeat?
[21:44:20] <Tom_itx> one was a chocolate factory
[21:44:22] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[21:44:27] <yasnak> probably interlocks
[21:45:05] <yasnak> amazing how usually the safety guy is the maintenance guy. who is the same guy who bypasses interlocks to maintenance machines while running. hmmmmm
[21:45:10] <yasnak> *usually
[21:45:17] <unfy> i'm curious. if a gov't body comes around and decides to fine you 102958129058012958901258 monies - where does this money go ? into hiring more ppl to go fine others ?
[21:45:42] <yasnak> forgot
[21:45:42] <Tom_itx> https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owasrch_news_releases.search_form?p_doc_type=NEWS_RELEASES&p_toc_level=0&p_keyvalue=
[21:45:46] <yasnak> this was a question they answered too
[21:45:58] <yasnak> i think it goes towards paying for the program as well...
[21:48:55] <Tom_itx> https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=NEWS_RELEASES&p_id=30702
[21:49:01] <Tom_itx> i think that was one of em
[21:50:58] <Tom_itx> nobody likes em but they do a good service for employees
[21:52:39] <Tom_itx> Penalties collected from businesses through OSHA violations go to the U.S. Treasury�s general fund as required by the Section 17. Penalties of the OSH Act of 1970. Fines are not used to directly fund OSHA activities.
[21:53:18] <Tom_itx> there's your answer
[21:53:36] <zeeshan> lol
[21:54:19] <yasnak> well i totally forgot everything
[21:54:30] <yasnak> good thing i think i remember where my little class training manual is
[21:54:41] * Tom_itx pulls yasnak's osha10 card for reevaluation
[21:54:43] <yasnak> i think
[21:55:21] <yasnak> Went with my boss. I think we both partied hard the nights before as it was nearly like vacation haha
[21:58:06] <Tom_itx> i will tell you that if they show up, they DO NOT issue warnings
[21:58:21] <zeeshan> hah
[21:58:24] <zeeshan> osha is boss
[21:59:15] <Tom_itx> and they fine for each occurance so if you and your buddy are caught with no safety glasses that's 2 instances
[21:59:22] <Tom_itx> X 7k minimum
[22:01:12] <zeeshan> tom
[22:01:14] <zeeshan> i think i figured it out..
[22:01:30] <Tom_itx> i had that done 30 min ago
[22:01:48] <zeeshan> i forgot that my mill head tilts :P
[22:01:53] <zeeshan> :)
[22:02:07] <Tom_itx> yeah but that takes time and time to get it straight again
[22:02:10] <zeeshan> no
[22:02:15] <zeeshan> i dont have to dial it in
[22:02:19] <zeeshan> it's held in by precision pins
[22:02:23] <zeeshan> @ 0 location
[22:02:26] <Tom_itx> at 60 deg?
[22:02:41] <zeeshan> 60 degree isnt critical
[22:02:46] <zeeshan> as long as it's same for the two wedges
[22:02:52] <Tom_itx> if you're set on having a 2nd op go for it
[22:02:55] <zeeshan> eyball centric
[22:03:03] <zeeshan> i also trhought of another way..
[22:03:06] <zeeshan> but it involves more work
[22:03:34] <Tom_itx> setting up an extruder?
[22:03:36] <zeeshan> it samazing how much work can be done in the shower.
[22:03:37] <zeeshan> :)
[22:03:40] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/JXtwviM.png
[22:03:59] * Tom_itx doesn't care about zeeshan's shower thoughts
[22:04:06] <zeeshan> ^ thats my shower thought
[22:04:06] <zeeshan> lol
[22:04:39] <Tom_itx> that would work ok but it still adds a 2nd position
[22:04:50] <zeeshan> what do you mean second position
[22:06:12] <Tom_itx> you still have to drill holes and slot the piece
[22:06:28] <zeeshan> thats easy peezee
[22:06:29] <zeeshan> :P
[22:06:49] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: thank you for adding a new item on my wishlist
[22:06:54] <zeeshan> - angle plate
[22:06:55] <zeeshan> :[
[22:06:58] <Tom_itx> hah
[22:07:00] <zeeshan> adjustable angle plate that is
[22:07:05] <zeeshan> can't believe how expensive itis
[22:09:10] <Tom_itx> i'd stack a bunch of em and clean the ends and do the slots at once
[22:09:33] <Tom_itx> unless you think they'd work loose
[22:10:00] <zeeshan> 2390312821398 ways to do it
[22:10:07] <zeeshan> but i still think this type of problem looks simple
[22:10:07] <Tom_itx> +1
[22:10:09] <zeeshan> but its pretty challenging
[22:10:34] <Tom_itx> just find the most efficient one for your equipment
[22:10:45] <zeeshan> tom did you see my video
[22:10:52] <Tom_itx> no
[22:10:52] <zeeshan> of ultra high speed machiing (at least for my machine)
[22:10:55] <zeeshan> its a bit choppy
[22:10:58] <zeeshan> but man i love watching it
[22:11:06] <Tom_itx> i may have seen it the other day
[22:11:11] <zeeshan> i just uploaded it tonight :P
[22:11:15] <Tom_itx> cutting the can opener?
[22:11:24] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoAgAy7RBGU
[22:11:34] <zeeshan> you might recognize the part
[22:11:45] <zeeshan> that was before the tabs version
[22:12:39] <Tom_itx> smaller than i pictured
[22:12:49] <zeeshan> tiny part :P
[22:13:13] <Tom_itx> you should be doing those 3 across
[22:13:20] <zeeshan> i realized tha tlater
[22:13:26] <zeeshan> when doign the tabs version
[22:13:29] <zeeshan> that i shoulda just got a long flatbad
[22:13:32] <zeeshan> and done a bunch at once
[22:13:32] <zeeshan> haha
[22:13:41] <zeeshan> but only had to make 2 of those
[22:14:36] <zeeshan> okay its really bed time now :P
[22:14:36] <zeeshan> cya!
[22:14:37] <Tom_itx> the prof was impressed with my table
[22:14:41] <zeeshan> which table
[22:14:46] <zeeshan> oh
[22:14:46] <Tom_itx> table driven cad
[22:14:47] <zeeshan> the driven
[22:14:58] <zeeshan> you need to now do a cad job :P
[22:15:05] <Tom_itx> naw
[22:15:32] <zeeshan> just learning for fun?
[22:15:38] <Tom_itx> well i did accomplish something tonight...
[22:15:47] <Tom_itx> managed to keep you up an extra 30 min
[22:15:53] <zeeshan> haha
[22:15:55] <zeeshan> okay cya!
[22:15:55] <Tom_itx> mostly
[22:17:37] <enleth> can't decide if the e-stop on a laser cutter should cut HV supply power only or LV for steppers and control as well - what do you think?
[22:18:13] <djdelorie> if it's an emergency, kill everything
[22:18:26] <enleth> the steppers are a joke and won't really damage anything even if the machine loses position, they just make funny noises when they bump against physical stop
[22:19:38] <enleth> it does make sense, though, that the e-stop should kill them as well - someone might want to use it when they hear those funny noises and realize they hit the end of the axis
[22:20:49] <enleth> I also added a lid switch, there wasn't one before
[22:21:00] <enleth> that will just inhibit HV
[22:21:58] <enleth> the reason there wasn't one is very simple - just look at the photo:
http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1C3H6LVXXXXbdXFXXq6xXFXXXy/high-quality-50W-tube-laser-engraving-machine-LY-laser-3040-co2-laser-cutter-with-rotary-axis.jpg_640x640.jpg
[22:23:06] <enleth> I might have, once or twice, seen a more jarring evidence of the chinese not giving a shit about anything and everything, but I sure can't recall it
[22:23:33] <enleth> this just takes the cake
[22:38:50] <os1r1s> enleth Most laser cutters don't have an estop
[22:40:58] <enleth> os1r1s: noticed already
[22:41:09] <enleth> that's not a reason not to add one
[22:41:19] <enleth> I'm rewiring that piece of crap anyway
[22:42:57] <os1r1s> enleth I think its a bit pointless to have one on an LC anyway
[22:43:34] <os1r1s> enleth I assume you are swapping it to linuxcnc?
[22:43:52] <enleth> not yet, but that's a possibility
[22:44:32] <os1r1s> They have an aftermarket electronics kit for those that makes it much better
[22:45:37] <enleth> the tube cracked, I decided to replace the stock cooling system with a closed circuit one, then one thing lead to another and now I'm replacing all the electrical and HV control wiring
[22:46:38] <enleth> the new tube is already in
[22:46:40] <os1r1s> enleth It was one like this, but a bit cheaper ..
http://www.lightobject.com/AWC608-Commercial-DSP-CO2-Laser-Engraving-Cutter-Controller-P321.aspx
[22:47:00] <enleth> I've seen that one
[22:47:05] <enleth> a bit pricey, though
[22:47:12] <unfy> $300 on the machine, $500 on the upgrades, spend $750-$800 on something better to begin with ? j/k
[22:47:42] <enleth> for that price, I could get a mesa set and use some random stepper drivers I have lying around
[22:49:09] <enleth> unfy: a friend got EU funding for his startup a year ago and bought this cutter, then brought it in, so I'm in no position to complain
[22:49:43] <unfy> indeed
[22:50:18] <enleth> and while it worked, it was rather useful, if a bit finicky
[22:51:38] <enleth> it was two weeks out of warranty when the tube failed (it's not like that would be covered anyway), so he just let me play with it while I replace the tube
[22:52:24] <enleth> the chassis is OK, nice thick powder coated sheet metal
[22:53:25] <enleth> the axes aren't that bad either, stiff enough to move a mirror/lens armature
[22:53:50] <enleth> it's just the wiring that's shit
[22:54:05] <enleth> and how they placed the control panel and power switch under the cover
[23:48:49] <Not-Renny> Guys, how do you do gcode with inkscape?
[23:52:00] <djdelorie> last time I did that was long ago, there was a plugin that I didn't like so I wrote my own converter :-)
[23:52:53] <djdelorie> if you don't need to do width-to-depth conversion, the plugin should work, but I don't remember where it was
[23:52:57] <djdelorie> (yeah, I'm not much help)
[23:55:53] * Jymmm lol @ djdelorie
[23:56:28] <djdelorie> well, I had a very specific need... I had to carve my mom's signature on the box her remains are in
[23:56:48] <djdelorie> it came out fantastic but I wasn't really thinking about reusability at the time
[23:58:01] <Jymmm> ah
[23:58:07] <Jymmm> condolences
[23:58:45] <djdelorie> thanks, it was years ago now. I did push me to finish the CNC machine though.
[23:58:58] <Jymmm> heh
[23:59:23] <Jymmm> Not sure why, not like she was going anywhere <rimshot>
[23:59:36] <Jymmm> ..I hope =)
[23:59:43] <djdelorie> I scanned her passport signature, converted it to a stroked path in Inkscape, and converted that to gcode
