#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-25

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[07:34:57] <witnit> jthornton: I assume you have grub? see this page https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/342
[07:40:54] <jthornton> thanks
[07:41:02] <jthornton> that is what I'm looking for
[08:09:45] <jthornton> or so I thought lol if you open the file it says "DO NOT EDIT..." and sure enough it gets reset back to what it was when grub updates
[08:39:17] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMd9zad290M oh yeah! =)
[09:19:28] <witnit> ah, sorry Jt I suppose that was the old way, maybe it has enough keywords to get you on track though?
[09:30:03] <mase-tech> HI people
[09:30:36] <JT-Shop> witnit: I found the grub customizer and that is perfect
[09:31:39] <JT-Shop> http://askubuntu.com/questions/532238/how-do-i-customize-the-grub-2-menu
[09:36:13] <skunkworks> end of an era.. http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160424_132326.jpg
[09:36:23] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160424_132240.jpg
[09:42:24] <archivist> shakespeare 400th Alas, poor Yasnac! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! my gorge rims at it. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft.
[09:43:11] <JT-Shop> I still have all the stuff from the Hardinge conversion somewhere
[09:48:52] <skunkworks> heh
[09:49:03] <cradek> skunkworks: those connectors are familiar
[09:49:32] <skunkworks> I bet
[09:50:22] <skunkworks> Drives too http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160423_155606.jpg
[09:54:54] <skunkworks> Those drives are pretty nice concidering that they are early 80's vintage.
[09:56:18] <skunkworks> the drives let us know the tach's were wired backwards ;)
[09:56:29] <skunkworks> (after a small run-away)
[09:58:00] <pink_vampire> skunksleep: cover the pcbs
[09:58:51] <skunkworks> pink_vampire, that is what the huge door on the electrical cabinet is for..
[09:59:05] <pink_vampire> no!
[09:59:15] <pink_vampire> big big no
[09:59:17] <pink_vampire> NO
[09:59:22] <skunkworks> heh - ok
[10:00:21] <pink_vampire> if any wire get disconnected and it touch your pcb the pcb will get killed.
[10:00:50] <pink_vampire> but.. as you wish..
[10:00:57] <pink_vampire> it's not my panel.
[10:01:23] <skunkworks> it is actually how it came from the matsuura factory ;)
[10:01:44] <pink_vampire> ok.. go with them
[10:29:55] <mase-tech> DIY 5 axis CNC Mill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[10:30:16] <mase-tech> THe world have some gifted people
[10:34:06] <mase-tech> This is so wau
[10:35:59] <Laurenceb_> hi, has anyone here experimented with EDM?
[10:37:53] <_methods> sure
[10:38:06] <_methods> there are several people in here with linuxcnc controlled edm's
[10:38:12] <_methods> i believe wire and sinkers
[10:38:23] <Laurenceb_> interesting, using feedback from the EDM controller for feed rate?
[10:38:38] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ElectricalDischargeMachining
[10:38:47] <_methods> there's even a wiki page for it
[10:39:08] <mase-tech> Does anybody know a cheap mill
[10:39:18] <mase-tech> which could be converted in a cnc
[10:40:34] <Laurenceb_> _methods: thanks, looks like a discussion of all the issues I had in mind :P
[10:40:37] <_methods> i think the sieg x2 is probably one of the cheaper mills that is fairly easy to convert
[10:40:43] <SpeedEvil> In general, cheap, new, reliable, robust, accurate, pick two.
[10:40:43] <_methods> Laurenceb_: np
[10:41:36] <mase-tech> _methods: In the video I posted a x2 was also converted in a cnc maschine
[10:42:02] <_methods> yeah i have an x2 i converted
[10:42:10] <_methods> was fairly simple
[10:42:24] <mase-tech> how many axis do u use
[10:42:28] <_methods> i'm going to convert one of those small grizzly horizontals next
[10:42:31] <_methods> i'm just using 3 axis
[10:42:35] <mase-tech> nice
[10:43:04] <mase-tech> look above in the video there is a 5 axis converted cnc
[10:43:10] <mase-tech> he uses x2 too
[10:43:13] <Laurenceb_> _methods: so does the HAL support a feedrate input?
[10:43:15] <_methods> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mini-Horizontal-Vertical-Mill/G0727
[10:43:20] <mase-tech> would match for you I think
[10:43:21] <_methods> i'm going to do that next i believe
[10:43:46] <mase-tech> you are american ?
[10:43:51] <_methods> yep
[10:44:09] <mase-tech> I cannt find the x2 in ebay and amazon
[10:44:16] <_methods> i think the horizontal should be more solid than the x2
[10:44:28] <mase-tech> y looks very solid
[10:44:50] <mase-tech> are u machining for living or hobby
[10:44:57] <_methods> i'm a machinist by trade
[10:45:25] <_methods> i'm the shop IT guy, cnc programmer, draftsman hehe
[10:45:52] <_methods> small shop
[10:45:55] <_methods> have to wear many hats
[10:45:59] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: AIUI, HAL can do more or less everything
[10:46:21] <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Rigid_Tapping - also
[10:46:24] <mase-tech> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Milling-Machines/Model-Super-X2-Plus-Mill/SIEG-Super-X2P-HiTorque-Mill/SIEG-Super-X2P-HiTorque-Mill-Belt-Drive-with-Brushless-Motor
[10:46:29] <mase-tech> 675 punds
[10:46:58] <mase-tech> 870 Euros
[10:47:00] <mase-tech> :(
[10:47:10] <_methods> no way its 675 lbs
[10:47:11] <SpeedEvil> mase-tech: What are you hoping to do?
[10:47:19] <_methods> more like 100 lbs at most
[10:47:28] <mase-tech> Aim is to earn money :D
[10:47:30] <_methods> ohhhhh
[10:47:33] <_methods> money lbs
[10:47:35] <mase-tech> I am student
[10:47:41] <SpeedEvil> mase-tech: that will be sharply limited in capability
[10:47:48] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: ah I see its labviewesque
[10:47:59] <archivist> get an industrial mating to earn money
[10:48:08] <archivist> machine
[10:48:10] <Laurenceb_> industrial mating
[10:48:16] <Laurenceb_> so like a brothel?
[10:48:22] <SpeedEvil> AIUI, but I've never touched labview
[10:48:37] <Laurenceb_> you are lucky then
[10:48:56] <archivist> eating a sammich and tyoping at the same time
[10:49:50] <mase-tech> I don t understand. What is a sammich
[10:50:42] <mase-tech> I wanted to say that I am limited in money
[10:50:56] <mase-tech> I cannt spend 2000 Euro into a godd cnc machine
[10:51:01] <Laurenceb_> ah http://emc-users.narkive.com/EIzYDeBq/realtime-feedrate-variation-based-on-analog-sensor
[10:51:08] <Laurenceb_> this answers my question
[10:51:18] <archivist> second hand industrial can be a similar price to junk chinese
[10:51:25] <Laurenceb_> so I guess periodic back off would just be done by modifying the G code
[10:56:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.videojet.com/us/homepage/products/laser-marking-systems/high-performance-co2-lasers/videojet-3330.html they want ~$33K for this plus $6k fro 2 days of safety training
[10:56:49] <CaptHindsight> 30W co2 laser marker with some proprietary control interface
[11:02:58] <archivist> some profit margin :)
[11:03:55] <CaptHindsight> yeah. I knew they marked things up but that was a surprise
[11:06:27] <skunkworks__> https://youtu.be/YwJLJxoKuM8
[11:06:48] <CaptHindsight> "Laser Source Expected Life 45,000 hours " heh, I wonder if that is in the warranty or just the fantasy specs
[11:07:05] <CaptHindsight> like bandwidth up to 100mb/sec
[11:08:17] <SpeedEvil> That is 250 gigabytes of text
[11:08:42] <CaptHindsight> 800lbs of general data
[11:09:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 46K hours is about the avg life of a CO2 laser tube.
[11:09:47] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: when properly rated
[11:09:55] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: That's NOT operational hours, that's how long it'll last on the shelf and/or in use.
[11:10:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Basically it's a "BEST BY" date
[11:12:23] <CaptHindsight> they don't let you take it apart until after you buy it
[11:13:47] <CaptHindsight> no way to know how well they made it
[11:14:08] <CaptHindsight> have to read the warranty fine print to see what you really get
[11:21:28] <archivist> skunkworks, just started to make my 5 axis more trunnion like, dunno if I shall carry on hand coding
[11:30:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I never heard fo the company before, but sounds like they are competition to http://www.coherent.com/
[11:31:42] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: Coherent has been making laser for many years. Videojet has been making marking systems for years, but mainly known for inkjet
[11:32:22] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, never heard of videojet before =)
[11:33:07] <CaptHindsight> videojet also sells $1k work of inkjet hardware for $30K
[11:33:27] <pcw_home> Videojet dates from the 70's
[11:34:07] <CaptHindsight> or mounts a $300 dispensing valve on a 3 axis router ($2K) for $50K
[11:34:42] <CaptHindsight> yeah mostly CIJ, continuous inkjet
[11:37:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: The production package marking (inkjet) I've seen are messy and a pita. But, eh, whatever. Not something I'd ever consider. I'd find a cheap CO2 and galvo
[11:38:07] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I was just pointing out the markup
[11:38:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: =)
[11:38:36] <CaptHindsight> I was just asked by a customer if I could build a system if they gave me that laser
[11:39:25] <CaptHindsight> I said sure, but I'd only be using the tube and power supply that we could get elsewhere for well under $2k
[11:39:43] <Jymmm> not the galvo?
[11:39:58] <Jymmm> nor optics?
[11:40:46] <CaptHindsight> the galvo is controlled bu videojets proprietary controller
[11:41:05] <Jymmm> They say "PC" too, did you get the protocol?
[11:41:37] <Jymmm> besides, if it's just a glavo, couldn't be that difficult.
[11:42:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If you find a *AIR COOLED* 30W CO2 for under $2000, PLEASE let me know!!!
[11:42:19] <CaptHindsight> why pay $30k for their tube, power supply and galvo and then cannibalize it, lose the warranty
[11:42:29] <CaptHindsight> etc etc
[11:42:54] <Jymmm> No need to cannibalize it in the least.
[11:42:56] <CaptHindsight> water cooled is fine
[11:43:40] <Jymmm> 30W water cooled starts to get big
[11:44:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: But I am serious. If you find an air cooled for under $2K let me know.
[11:44:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Also, if you come across galvo "modules", I'm interested in links you find.
[11:45:18] <CaptHindsight> it's on the Google
[11:45:24] <Jymmm> Yeah... not.
[11:46:08] <CaptHindsight> if the water jacket is left off the tube, air cooling is easy
[11:46:13] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: realistic stuff, not $60K for 1W lasers
[11:46:45] <CaptHindsight> not sure what you are looking for
[11:47:00] <CaptHindsight> or what you understand it to be
[11:48:34] <Jymmm> Uh.... see above?
[11:49:45] <Jymmm> MY Laser is a air cooled 30W CO2. That's JSUT the laser, not any mechanics/optics/PS/controller/etc
[11:50:37] <Jymmm> So when you said above less then $30K, or "Under $2k" Im interested
[11:52:13] <Jymmm> Hell, even under $4K might be acceptable
[11:53:20] <enleth> d/win 36
[11:53:22] <enleth> damn
[12:14:30] <maxcnc> hi
[12:35:11] <Polymorphism> almost lost my pigeon, phew
[12:35:37] * Polymorphism continues research
[12:37:45] <jdh> just buy something
[12:38:13] <archivist> not going to happen in a month of sundays
[12:38:38] <Polymorphism> I'm looking at shapeoko 3 again
[12:38:52] <Polymorphism> nearly 1/3 the cost of the xzero machine and if it does what I need
[12:38:58] <Polymorphism> I could always get something else later after learning
[12:39:06] <Polymorphism> assuming it will work for my current needs, they said it would
[12:39:10] <Polymorphism> except for, oddly, the pcb
[12:39:15] <Polymorphism> they said they dont recommend it for that
[12:40:25] <archivist> if something cannot do pcb then I question quality front panel engraving
[12:41:11] <maxcnc> ah the undicided havend made a dicicion
[12:41:21] <maxcnc> i sold now 3 of his mashines
[12:41:26] <maxcnc> within 14days
[12:41:44] <Polymorphism> I'm much closer to a decision
[12:41:51] <maxcnc> Thanks for the hint on the 100100
[12:42:16] <Polymorphism> no prob
[12:42:22] <maxcnc> you woudt have a real good cheep mashine running if you grap a drill and make it yourself
[12:44:16] <Polymorphism> I may end up doing some of that if I get raptor
[12:44:41] <Polymorphism> the biggest concern I have with raptor is sourcing my own wire and harnesses and building or buying an enclosure to put the VFD, drivers, PSU, etc into
[12:45:30] <Polymorphism> with clean copnnectors for motors spindle etc
[12:46:10] <Polymorphism> and the total cost associated with finishing the machine as it comes with frame motors drivers psu spindle mount ballscrews rails etc and no spindle and nothing wired up
[12:51:11] <maxcnc> cheeper better parts and the konwHow of what the mashie is able to do is nothing compare to China Work
[12:51:57] <maxcnc> you got all infos and even more from the pros so you are a real undicided with money
[12:52:23] <Polymorphism> this is a dificult decision
[12:52:27] <Polymorphism> you make a good point for sure
[12:53:35] <maxcnc> there are now 1000 DIY build worldwide every day from noobs with less info then you got
[12:53:59] <maxcnc> from LEGO to whatever you imagin
[12:54:29] <maxcnc> sets like wantai are cheep and powerfull for 1000lbs mashines
[12:54:36] <maxcnc> under 300USD
[12:55:04] <pink_vampire> black anodize with rit = yellow
[12:55:13] <maxcnc> ready made driving tread blocks TR or BS
[12:55:38] <maxcnc> and rails of all sizes all needs and all costs
[12:56:05] <jdh> it's a trivial decision
[12:57:03] <maxcnc> Hard wood in every small town across the world even Ndidah today 52Deg C got a Carpenter in town
[12:57:20] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, bad dye?
[12:57:33] <maxcnc> jdh: not on him as he got a Budget and a idee and a dream
[12:57:53] <maxcnc> here we got only a dream no budget
[12:58:15] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: is a rit black dye
[12:58:17] <maxcnc> most of us got a budget and a idee and dream of better ones
[12:58:43] <jdh> the choice matters less than the effort
[12:59:15] <maxcnc> i made last jear about 100+ diys and every one is not the best as you runn the G-code
[12:59:31] <maxcnc> test files proof there is always better things
[13:00:00] <maxcnc> gear vs speed vs precicion
[13:00:21] <maxcnc> tilting on gantry over 1,5m
[13:00:42] <maxcnc> cable length to plasmas over 2,5m
[13:01:02] <maxcnc> the frame watertight
[13:01:15] <maxcnc> or leaking on delivery
[13:01:43] <maxcnc> plasmas that burst the power of the coustomer
[13:01:57] <maxcnc> storrys to tell
[13:02:16] <Polymorphism> I need something with no power bursting or gantry tilt etc
[13:02:23] <maxcnc> all over make a decicion go for it and live with it
[13:02:27] <Polymorphism> true
[13:02:33] <Polymorphism> that is what I must do
[13:02:55] <maxcnc> you shure wil be not happy with all
[13:03:19] <Polymorphism> if I get raptor I'll be happy
[13:03:21] <maxcnc> noicy drivers can kill your health
[13:03:22] <Polymorphism> but broke
[13:03:24] <Polymorphism> xD
[13:03:56] <maxcnc> ballscrews and wood dust is sometimes a nightmare
[13:04:16] <maxcnc> frame cover against DIY decine
[13:04:23] <maxcnc> desine
[13:04:51] <maxcnc> spellig?
[13:05:25] <maxcnc> design
[13:05:28] <maxcnc> ;-)
[13:05:47] <Polymorphism> =D
[13:05:53] <Polymorphism> wood dust...
[13:06:04] <Polymorphism> I'll be building a dust shoe and cyclonic separation system
[13:06:15] <Polymorphism> maybew it works for chips?
[13:06:34] <Polymorphism> I wont even have chips... I'll have dust with my shallow DoC and 2mm thick al
[13:06:36] <maxcnc> spindle with rot ofsets so mashie vibration will let the mashine walk on mounting table or the table itself
[13:06:51] <Polymorphism> spindle runout?
[13:06:57] <Polymorphism> chinese spindle is supposed to be "ok"
[13:07:21] <Polymorphism> less than .005mm claimed
[13:07:35] <Polymorphism> I would be usingf that spindle with either raptor or omio cnc
[13:07:51] <Polymorphism> maybe thats why they said shapeoko3 isnt advised for pcb
[13:07:59] <Polymorphism> because the router///dremel spindle would be higher runout
[13:08:08] <Polymorphism> with chinese LC spindle maybe its fine
[13:08:18] <Polymorphism> still added cost, then it costs same as 6040
[13:08:37] <Polymorphism> truth be told I will probably get raptor mini or x6-2200l
[13:08:44] <Polymorphism> if shapeoko3 wont work
[13:09:12] <Polymorphism> so much to consider....
[13:09:19] <Polymorphism> the ultimate decision of a lifetime
[13:09:56] <Polymorphism> I'm a perfectionist with the budget of a pauper
[13:10:03] <Polymorphism> this is part of the issue
[13:12:27] <Polymorphism> I have some intense research to do, I'll be back a bit later
[13:14:27] <CaptHindsight> is this some weird social experiment?
[13:15:22] <pink_vampire> LOL OMG!!
[13:15:41] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: good one!
[13:15:58] <_methods> the cereal aisle at the grocery store must make that moron have seizures
[13:16:53] <Polymorphism> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/commercial-cnc-wood-routers/285078-cnc.html
[13:16:56] <Polymorphism> some work done by mini raptor
[13:16:59] <Polymorphism> looks nice to my untrained eye
[13:19:56] <Polymorphism> I talked to that guy and he says raptor might even be more than I need though. Hence the consideration oncemore of the shapeoko3
[13:20:03] <Polymorphism> bbl for real, have to run for a bit
[13:20:50] <CaptHindsight> _methods: have you seen a Raisin Bran that doesn't put sugar on the raisins?
[13:21:19] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: don't go
[13:21:25] <_methods> lol
[13:21:49] <_methods> CaptHindsight: nope but i will do some research
[13:21:54] <_methods> i'll make some spreadsheets
[13:22:13] <_methods> and waffle about like a 98 y/o woman
[13:22:27] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: please tell me more, you can't leave like that.
[13:22:29] <CaptHindsight> is there an IRC channel that might be more appropriate for this discussion?
[13:22:35] <_methods> should i wear diapers today or not
[13:22:44] <_methods> so hard to decide
[13:22:45] <maxcnc> Gn8
[13:22:46] <CaptHindsight> ##cereals ?
[13:22:50] <_methods> lol
[13:23:02] <_methods> ##diapers
[13:23:41] <_methods> what is this like week 5 of this now?
[13:23:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/oops-i-crapped-my-pants/n11128
[13:24:41] <_methods> poopoo
[13:24:55] <CaptHindsight> ##cantdecide
[13:25:08] <_methods> ##decision2016
[13:25:12] <_methods> or more like
[13:25:19] <_methods> ##decision2017?
[13:25:51] <CaptHindsight> it's beyond the absurd
[13:28:29] <_methods> meh i just put the /ignore on him
[13:28:54] <_methods> but you can still tell when the moron is posting in here by how stupid the conversation gets
[13:29:20] <CaptHindsight> I cleared mine, figured it must be over by now
[13:29:32] <_methods> hahah
[13:29:39] <_methods> it would appear it is still happening
[13:34:05] <CaptHindsight> Can't Decide, the reality series......
[13:34:47] <CaptHindsight> a camera team follows them around as they go through their days shopping at the mall
[13:34:56] <_methods> lol
[13:35:11] <_methods> like hoarders but in reverse?
[13:35:15] <_methods> they never buy anything
[13:35:32] <CaptHindsight> like Gilligans Island except they never buy anything
[13:35:49] <CaptHindsight> just when you think they are, nope
[15:22:46] <mase-tech> Hey Peps :)
[15:22:51] <mase-tech> I am back
[15:23:11] * evil_ren suspicious
[15:23:48] <mase-tech> Why whats up :)
[15:24:14] <evil_ren> u :) too much
[15:24:49] <mase-tech> Why am I suspicious
[15:24:58] <mase-tech> Hmm nvm
[15:26:00] <mase-tech> do you know this cnc
[15:26:15] <mase-tech> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[15:26:50] <mase-tech> I narrowed my descion for cnc
[15:27:12] <mase-tech> The most I want is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[15:27:45] <mase-tech> but I think I will kill my budget
[15:28:13] <mase-tech> so I must decide between http://www.ebay.de/itm/like/CNC-ROUTER-GRAVIRMASCHINE-3040T-3-ACHSEN-FRASGERAT-PRINTER-CUTTER-BARGAIN-SALE/272202061393?hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1&_trksid=p2050601.c100103.m2451&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150422114059%26meid%3Db0d4f9ea413b4ddb945b738d5a17d5f0%26pid%3D100103%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D121826366502%26clkid%3D4967537883093358030&_qi=RTM2266093
[15:28:19] <mase-tech> 600 Euro
[15:28:31] <mase-tech> or http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[15:28:53] <mase-tech> which is much cheaper but I think the resultes will bwe much worse
[15:29:22] <XXCoder> I can see router twisting
[15:30:05] <mase-tech> I see it coming to something will go wrong
[15:30:14] <mase-tech> which is very probaly
[15:30:20] <mase-tech> so trail and error
[15:31:41] <XXCoder> chinese one you will have problems with bearings, clean em out and stuff and should be fine
[15:31:55] <mase-tech> I cannot spend more
[15:32:00] <mase-tech> thats the problem
[15:32:13] <mase-tech> 700 Euro is max
[15:33:31] <mase-tech> XXCoder: I read some things about 3040T. They have improved it
[15:34:17] <XXCoder> cool
[15:34:32] <XXCoder> aliexpress sometimes has cheaper routers btw
[15:34:40] <XXCoder> just check feedbacks of sellers and stuff
[15:35:23] <jdh> and factor shipping
[15:36:40] <XXCoder> indeed
[15:36:53] <mase-tech> They have a store in germany
[15:37:02] <mase-tech> no shipping cost
[15:37:06] <XXCoder> lucky ya
[15:37:08] <XXCoder> I paid
[15:37:13] <XXCoder> $200 shipping lol
[15:38:01] <Jymmm> sometimes cheaper on ebay/amazon, even from the SAME seller.
[15:38:32] <mase-tech> can u show me your cnc machines
[15:39:00] <Jymmm> Sure, $19.95 for showing and processing =)
[15:39:07] <_methods> heheh
[15:39:10] <mase-tech> ha
[15:39:27] <mase-tech> I will build a 5 axis cnc friend
[15:39:33] <mase-tech> I promise
[15:40:49] <mase-tech> simply like he did
[15:40:51] <mase-tech> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[15:46:18] <CaptHindsight> whats a 3040 ballscrew, couplings, motors and drives kit cost?
[15:46:56] <XXCoder> mase-tech: nice video
[15:48:00] <mase-tech> Yes the video is inspiring
[15:48:04] <mase-tech> at least for me
[15:48:33] <mase-tech> A new mill cost 900 EUro
[15:48:36] <XXCoder> looks like hardest paet is cam as usual lol
[15:48:42] <Loetmichel> soo, got that kitchen sink drain a bit nicer than saturday... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16265&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ... MUUUCH better than the impromptu i made when i realized that i forgot to get some 40mm pipe after the hardware stores had closed two days ago... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16262&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ;-)
[15:48:43] <mase-tech> which I already told is to much for me
[15:49:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2xSBR16-400-450-500mm-RM1605-450-500-550mm-ballscrew-BK-BF12-CNC-Kits-/262054564636 ~$400 with shipping
[15:49:37] <mase-tech> XXCoder: The man in the video converted a X2 mill
[15:49:48] <mase-tech> so I looked for x2 Mill
[15:50:02] <mase-tech> In german a new x2 costs 900euro
[15:50:03] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: that is actyally decent
[15:50:57] <Loetmichel> ... and the cuts from that 0,2mm stainless steel "foil" sink are already healing... ;-)
[15:51:24] <CaptHindsight> + stepper and driver kit and 1 sheet of plywood, 1 can resin, 1 bucket granite flakes
[15:52:21] <XXCoder> apparently fusion 360 can do 5 axis cam
[15:52:38] <XXCoder> and its limited scope free
[15:53:01] <mase-tech> 4xnema 23 270OZ+TB6560+powersupply 170 Euro
[15:54:07] <CaptHindsight> $400 + $125 for 3 motors and drives + +$20 plywood+ $40 resin + +$30 granite
[15:54:34] <mase-tech> motor = nema 23 ?
[15:54:38] <CaptHindsight> = ~ $615
[15:54:41] <XXCoder> mase-tech: so your goal is 5 axis
[15:54:56] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: thats not too bad, since his limit is 650 euro
[15:54:57] <mase-tech> 5 axis is end of the road
[15:55:03] <mase-tech> lets make small steps
[15:56:02] <XXCoder> I want to make 4 axis myself, just lathe type attachment to my router lol
[15:57:13] <mase-tech> CaptHindsight: Can u show the 3 motors
[15:59:38] <CaptHindsight> something like these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Axis-1-5-3A-Stepper-Driver-Cnc-Kit-Nema23-24Vpsu-For-Mill-Router-175-Oz-In-/351708412496
[16:01:09] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Top-Selling-4Axis-Nema-23-Stepper-Motor-287oz-in-Driver-board-TB6560-CNC-Kit-/200582250308?hash=item2eb3a23f44:g:-R0AAOxyaTxRIzDK
[16:05:39] <andypugh> Darn it! I have decided I need an O-ring. So can’t get the lathe saddle fitted.
[16:06:27] <andypugh> Which is a bit frustrating as it is likely to take days to get one.
[16:08:35] <pink_vampire> andypugh: what do you mean?
[16:10:04] <andypugh> Well, the new apron I made for my lathe is (finally) finished, or so I thought. Then I realised that I need an O-ring seal on the servo motor mount, and can’t get the assembly any further without it.
[16:11:35] <andypugh> Everything below the saddle (the part with the allen key on it) is all-new. And most of it was made by me. (excet the encoders anf the oil sight glass).
[16:11:38] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6277252547523150274
[16:11:53] <andypugh> I have been at it for _months_
[16:13:20] <andypugh> The oval cover is meant to contain oil for the drive chain, I need the O-ring to stop that oil falling out round the servo motor.
[16:15:11] <mase-tech> andypugh: nice andy
[16:15:37] <mase-tech> your google +
[16:16:04] <mase-tech> what did u paid for the lathe
[16:16:37] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Any insight on HOW the 110/220 switch works here? http://www.ebay.com/itm/DuroMax-XP4400EH-Hybrid-Portable-Dual-Fuel-Propane-Gas-Camping-RV-Generator-/400783291524
[16:17:07] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I called the factory and the tech wans't all that helpful
[16:18:52] <andypugh> mase-tech: £1100
[16:32:17] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I don't see a switch. It probably generates 220 with a center tap for 110
[16:35:40] <mase-tech> peps good night
[16:52:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Left of the "main breaker"... http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aLMAAOSwKtlWlE4t/s-l1600.jpg
[16:52:27] <FloppyDisk> andypugh - looks great. Nice dials on the sliding axis (not sure of real name). Looks like mesa cards for pendant input.
[16:52:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: As I've been told it's 220@15A -OR- 110@30A
[16:53:01] <Jymmm> Well specifically 33.3A
[16:58:17] <Deejay> gn8
[17:00:55] <Jymmm> Ya know, =>20A 11/220 mains (in the USA) connectors just drive me nuts!
[17:01:06] <Jymmm> 110/220*
[17:02:05] <Jymmm> Compare these two 4-prong... http://www.powerfittools.com/images/products/product_pages/adaptor_20_30.jpg -AND- http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aLMAAOSwKtlWlE4t/s-l1600.jpg
[17:03:19] <Jymmm> On one, the tab faces inward, on the other the tab faces outward?! That is *SO* easily overlooked in the store when you're just trying to find the right cable/cord/connector out of a bunch of bins
[17:05:06] <Jymmm> and that 110V@20A outlet... I have one that has the sideways spade on the left, and another one on the right =(
[17:05:20] <Jymmm> both of them female too.
[17:12:41] <Jymmm> This, I get... http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/271182878246-0-1/s-l1000.jpg But who thought this was a great idea for such a heavy cord is beyond me... http://www.rokuang.com/Upload/PicFiles/20126141638164792.jpg
[18:39:50] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV3qK8JJa-c
[18:40:02] <_methods> heh who says you can't use carbide in a little lathe
[18:40:11] <_methods> my poor little lathe
[18:46:14] <Valen> that doesn't look like a little lathe
[18:47:22] <_methods> it's tiny
[18:47:26] <_methods> atlas th42
[18:49:04] <Valen> heh looked 3x the size in the video
[18:49:12] <_methods> yeah they're small
[18:49:15] <_methods> only 10x42
[18:49:17] <Valen> still the motor might be tiny but the bed is beefy
[18:49:25] <_methods> but that was 4140 .100" off the diameter
[18:49:52] <zeeshan> worlds slowest cut?!?
[18:49:52] <zeeshan> :D
[19:01:55] <andypugh> Has anyone ever said you can’t use carbide on a little lathe?
[19:04:33] <zeeshan> nope
[19:04:36] <zeeshan> only people who dont machine
[19:04:36] <zeeshan> :P
[19:05:32] <andypugh> Now, I will admit that you can’t machine carbide on a little lathe. Or most big ones, for that matter. :-)
[19:08:02] <zeeshan> man
[19:08:08] <zeeshan> the high speed machining vid i made
[19:08:13] <zeeshan> came out so dark and jittery :(
[19:08:20] * zeeshan is annoyed
[19:09:03] <_methods> yeah most of those little lathe guys say don't use carbide
[19:09:27] <SpeedEvil> HSS can generally be gotten sharper
[19:09:35] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: back that up
[19:09:52] <SpeedEvil> ^perhaps I should add 'without much skill'
[19:09:54] <zeeshan> last time i checked, my carbide 3 flute end mills are
[19:10:04] <zeeshan> 0.0002" cutting edge radius
[19:10:46] <zeeshan> the edge will break pretty easily on steel though, which is why i think for steel they are 0.0007"
[19:11:27] <zeeshan> which just means you need to at least take a 0.0007" ipt cut otherwise you're not cutting
[19:11:32] <zeeshan> (assuming no chip thinning etc)
[19:11:40] <zeeshan> most machiens can do that no prob :P
[19:12:50] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoAgAy7RBGU
[19:12:56] <zeeshan> ^ sorry for bad video
[19:12:59] <zeeshan> but thats how you rough!!
[19:13:36] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I got my machine up to 20ipm cutting
[19:13:45] <zeeshan> nice
[19:13:46] <zeeshan> what matl
[19:13:50] <malcom2073> aluminum of course heh
[19:13:53] <zeeshan> hehe
[19:13:58] <malcom2073> Spindle at 2800 with a 5/32 endmill
[19:13:59] <zeeshan> im cutting at ~150 ipm there
[19:14:06] <zeeshan> .1875 doc
[19:14:11] <malcom2073> Yeah my linuxcnc limits me to 45, too much jitter
[19:14:20] <zeeshan> i forgot the woc i think .05
[19:14:27] <zeeshan> oh
[19:15:57] <zeeshan> malcom2073: no mesa hardware?
[19:20:25] <Laurenceb> hi all, I have a general question about EDM
[19:20:42] <Laurenceb> does a larger tool take longer to machine the part
[19:21:08] <Laurenceb> I'm just thinking, if you can only strike one arc at a time its going to take proportionally longer?
[19:22:37] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Nope
[19:30:02] <malcom2073> zeeshan: If I thought I could cut under load at those speeds I'd maybe get one but... meh
[19:30:18] <zeeshan> you can
[19:30:21] <zeeshan> the cut im doing
[19:30:33] <zeeshan> isnt only putting 65 lb of feed force
[19:30:36] <zeeshan> *is
[19:30:42] <malcom2073> I think that's getting above the torque dropoff of my steppers
[19:30:45] <malcom2073> in terms of rpm
[19:30:47] <zeeshan> oh
[19:31:10] <malcom2073> I had a really good idea for measuring that
[19:32:37] <malcom2073> Get a digital scale on a hard spring, and run into it until it skips steps
[19:32:52] <zeeshan> haha
[19:32:55] <zeeshan> that'd be awesome
[19:32:56] <malcom2073> should give me an idea at what feed force I skip for different speeds
[19:32:57] <zeeshan> and simple..
[19:33:50] <malcom2073> I'll see if I can find a cheapie that'll read out max weight or something, cause it'll hit it and then immediatly go off when it skips
[19:34:26] <zeeshan> you gave me an idea
[19:34:36] <zeeshan> you could get a spring of known spring rate
[19:34:42] <zeeshan> and just put a dial indicator and measure how much it deflects?
[19:34:56] <malcom2073> That may be easier, possily also cheaper
[19:35:00] <malcom2073> Well
[19:35:02] <yasnak> Laurenceb: yeah it does. depends on the machine too. You want to strike a balance on gaining productivity by stacking multiple parts to use the machine to its best ability.
[19:35:10] <malcom2073> Depends on how much a known spring rate spring costs that can do 60-100lbs
[19:35:24] <zeeshan> i think a valve spring might be too tense
[19:35:28] <zeeshan> *stiff
[19:35:29] <malcom2073> Or I could figure out the spring weight with a scale and a measuring tape
[19:35:29] <malcom2073> ?
[19:35:34] <malcom2073> spring rate*
[19:35:52] <zeeshan> thats how we measured spring rates in a lab
[19:35:57] <zeeshan> but requires known masses
[19:36:04] <zeeshan> its easier just to buy a spring with a known spring rate
[19:36:07] <zeeshan> valve springs are really good for that
[19:36:17] <zeeshan> most of the v8 stuff is documented
[19:36:24] <zeeshan> or next time you're ordering from mcmastercarr
[19:36:26] <zeeshan> grab one :)
[19:36:30] <malcom2073> Heh
[19:36:37] <malcom2073> I have a random assortment, wonder if any of them have model numbers
[19:37:06] <zeeshan> what the hell
[19:37:14] <zeeshan> 4" Overall Length 1.937" 0.312" 2.73" 597.00 470.00 1 96485K384 13.56
[19:37:18] <zeeshan> 13.56 bucks!
[19:37:29] <zeeshan> actually that one is too stiff
[19:37:33] <zeeshan> 470lb/in
[19:37:38] <malcom2073> hah
[19:38:36] <malcom2073> Still, looks like I may be able to put together something for under $50 to do this
[19:38:46] <zeeshan> dial indicator you have
[19:38:47] <zeeshan> 1"?
[19:39:03] <malcom2073> a lot less than that, and spring loaded so that's no good
[19:39:19] <malcom2073> What am I talking about, table shouldn't bounce back
[19:39:33] <zeeshan> not unless it skips a step =D
[19:39:51] <malcom2073> Eh, the bounce back may be acceptable tolerance
[19:39:54] <malcom2073> in terms of measuring force
[19:41:47] <malcom2073> Couldn't I use a spring scale?
[19:41:53] <malcom2073> The kind that has the slider to register max force?
[19:41:58] <zeeshan> ya
[19:42:02] <zeeshan> but im not sure where you'd wedge it
[19:42:13] <malcom2073> Knee mill, tons of places :)
[19:42:17] <malcom2073> I'd make a bracket for it
[19:42:55] <malcom2073> hmmm
[19:43:04] <malcom2073> Once you get into the 50+lb range, the spring scales get expensive lol
[19:43:32] <enleth> what's the point of a vertical lathe with a top-mounted, downwards-pointing headstock? just stumbled upon such a machine on an auction
[19:50:41] <zeeshan> enleth: the chips fall straight down
[19:50:41] <zeeshan> :P
[19:51:01] <malcom2073> zeeshan: http://www.mcmaster.com/#9630k7/=12542se
[19:51:14] <zeeshan> that'd work
[19:51:15] <zeeshan> but jeez 22 bux
[19:51:18] <zeeshan> its a damn spring!
[19:51:27] <malcom2073> 2" OD heh
[19:51:32] <malcom2073> 7" long
[19:51:33] <malcom2073> it's big
[19:52:25] <zeeshan> enleth think about it to yourself! :P
[19:53:30] <enleth> zeeshan: sounds weird for the only advantage
[19:53:37] <zeeshan> thats not the only advantage
[19:53:44] <enleth> that's what I figured
[19:54:13] <zeeshan> hint
[19:54:15] <zeeshan> gravity
[19:54:22] <enleth> loading it with stock must be a PITA, holding it up until the chuck engages (this one seems to have a collet chuck)
[19:54:33] <zeeshan> its easier
[19:54:37] <enleth> unless there's some kind of mechanism that props it up
[19:54:53] <zeeshan> imagine a 20" part
[19:54:56] <zeeshan> 8" thick
[19:55:04] <zeeshan> do you really want to load that sideways?
[19:55:19] <zeeshan> vertical also means it can built more rigid
[19:55:26] <enleth> with a crane, sure
[19:55:28] <zeeshan> because you can support about 270 degrees around the spindle
[19:55:41] <enleth> OK, that makes sense
[19:55:44] <zeeshan> and the lathe thing i can think of is footprint
[19:55:52] <zeeshan> im a regular lathe sitting up
[19:55:55] <zeeshan> imagine how much space you save
[19:56:12] <zeeshan> we had 22-25 of those sl5 la thes
[19:56:15] <zeeshan> *lathes
[19:56:26] <zeeshan> they had a conveyor that went throu them
[19:56:38] <zeeshan> and it'd pick up the part, place it inthe chuck and machine away
[19:57:03] <zeeshan> but i agree with you, i personally found it a pain in the ass to fix things on it
[19:57:13] <zeeshan> even loading parts manually was annoying
[19:57:29] <zeeshan> vl5 not sl5
[19:58:51] <enleth> yeah, a conveyor setup seems to be an ideal use for those
[19:59:11] <enleth> but definitely not doing short runs with manual tending
[20:15:32] <witnit> JT-Shop: good to learn glad you found it
[20:28:46] <zeeshan> hm
[20:28:52] <zeeshan> i still gotta machine thbis part
[20:28:59] <zeeshan> and i always have had trouble doing this type of work
[20:29:12] <zeeshan> especially when its large, and cant fit in my vise along the length
[20:36:20] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QRhWipp.png
[20:36:31] <zeeshan> the 60 degree angle
[20:36:34] <zeeshan> how do i hold that?
[20:37:04] <zeeshan> put a 30 degree angle in the vise?
[20:37:26] <cradek> heh 60.000
[20:37:36] <zeeshan> yes 60 degrees is what i want to do
[20:38:02] <zeeshan> | xxxxxxxxxxx |
[20:38:04] <zeeshan> | are my vise jaws
[20:38:09] <zeeshan> i can't hold the part like that
[20:38:15] <zeeshan> because the vise jaws only open 8"
[20:38:38] <zeeshan> which means i cant just angle the part and hold it at it's end (which is how i usually do it)
[20:38:59] <zeeshan> i need to hold the part perpendicular to the jaws,,, but i dont know how to hold it!
[20:39:05] <cradek> it's 19.5 inches long? looks tricky.
[20:39:30] <zeeshan> i need to set it up twice
[20:39:35] <zeeshan> cause i only have 15.7" travel
[20:39:55] <zeeshan> i'd feel so much better if i could set this type of stuff up -- it gives me trouble always
[20:40:20] <cradek> I don't know how I'd do that
[20:40:21] <zeeshan> http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_mill/Accessories/Vises/Angle_vise.jpg
[20:40:23] <zeeshan> is this the only way?
[20:40:33] <zeeshan> the way i have it currently planned
[20:40:37] <zeeshan> is holding the part square inthe vise
[20:40:40] <zeeshan> and just using an angle tool path
[20:40:42] <zeeshan> but it'll take forever
[20:43:29] <cradek> you could make several short fixture pieces that hold it at the right angle
[20:43:40] <cradek> little cradles for it to sit in
[20:43:54] <cradek> each one would be short enough to fit on the sine bar in your vise
[20:44:14] <cradek> or whatever you have that will give you this angle - I have a nice 30-60-90 triangle
[20:44:25] <zeeshan> i have a 45 and 30/60
[20:44:31] <zeeshan> both are 90's at the other end
[20:44:39] <zeeshan> but only got 1 of each
[20:44:42] <cradek> then cradle it in several, indicate, and clamp it down
[20:44:58] <zeeshan> but i cant clamp it down
[20:45:00] <cradek> yeah just use one to cut the angle you need in some scrap
[20:45:03] <zeeshan> because it'd be clamping on the edges of the part
[20:45:20] <cradek> yes you'll have to plan ahead - maybe do this surface first
[20:45:38] <cradek> or mount it to the fixtures with those screw holes
[20:46:35] <cradek> whatever you do, the solution will involve cutting this that aren't this part - think along those lines
[20:46:45] <cradek> er, things that aren't
[20:47:07] <zeeshan> hehe
[20:47:23] <zeeshan> looks like doing a ramp tool path in the xy plane is the quickest
[20:48:33] <zeeshan> poor end mill will be seeing a lot of pluging
[20:48:40] <Tom_itx> whassup?
[20:48:47] <unfy> ordering some parts for second cheap mill build sometime in the future :D
[20:49:12] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: cradek was suggesting on ways to mill the angle on the part
[20:49:23] <Tom_itx> what part?
[20:49:28] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QRhWipp.png
[20:49:56] <Tom_itx> just buy a $$$$ angle cutter :D
[20:50:01] <zeeshan> lol
[20:50:24] <unfy> 1.75" 60deg cutter ? ouch
[20:50:27] <Tom_itx> 5 axis would be easy
[20:50:45] <zeeshan> the more i look at it
[20:50:48] <Tom_itx> i had a cutter but it was a lesser angle
[20:50:57] <zeeshan> the more im thinking plunging with my 3/4" cutter would be easiest
[20:51:03] <zeeshan> with a nc tool path
[20:51:15] <cradek> then what, file it flat?
[20:51:19] <zeeshan> no no
[20:51:23] <cradek> no idea what tolerances you're working with here
[20:51:28] <zeeshan> 3 thou
[20:51:30] <cradek> I assume you don't mean 60.000 degrees
[20:51:36] <zeeshan> linear tolerance
[20:51:40] <zeeshan> haha idont
[20:51:46] <zeeshan> was a quick drawing :)
[20:51:51] <Tom_itx> use a 1" ball nose and the cusp height would be alot wider
[20:52:46] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/370638130253?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
[20:52:50] <Tom_itx> lay it flat and use that
[20:55:34] <Tom_itx> http://www.tapdie.com/html/inverted_dovetail_cutters-_inverted_dovetail_slot_mills_metric-_.html
[20:55:39] <Tom_itx> use an inverted dovetail cutter
[20:57:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.zps-fn.com/products/detail/inverted-dovetail-milling-cutters,-plain-shank,-din-1833-b,-d,-iso-3859,-~csn-222262,-high-speed-steel-hss-co5/
[20:57:37] <zeeshan> hm
[20:57:45] <zeeshan> i might have one of those
[20:57:47] <zeeshan> brb
[20:58:09] <Tom_itx> there's at least 5 other ways...
[20:59:26] <Tom_itx> would be better if you could find a spiral flute inverted dovetail but i dunno if they even exhist
[21:03:54] <jdh> http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/5552694396.html
[21:13:06] <_methods> Thx jdh
[21:13:17] <jdh> you are going to pick it up for me?
[21:13:17] <Frank__13> hellooo
[21:13:24] <_methods> I might go grab that
[21:13:26] <_methods> Heheh
[21:13:34] <_methods> Sure
[21:13:45] <jdh> I'd go 450ish I didn't have to drive to mt pleasant
[21:14:02] <_methods> You wantme to picki it up for u
[21:14:06] <jdh> I might be down there next month though.
[21:14:12] <jdh> nah, not without me seeing it.
[21:14:17] <_methods> K
[21:14:18] <jdh> he's got a mill too
[21:14:31] <jdh> sherline or wtf in an enclosure
[21:14:41] <_methods> I can go check it out and take pics if you want
[21:15:04] <jdh> it's small and might be cute.
[21:15:18] <_methods> Hehe
[21:15:20] <jdh> I think they really have like a 2.5
[21:15:25] <jdh> I think they really have like a 2.5" max working
[21:15:41] <_methods> Fun for garage
[21:16:03] <jdh> I have a 7x, 9x, 2x in my garage
[21:16:33] <_methods> have an emco too
[21:16:48] <jdh> which one?
[21:16:53] <jdh> oh, nevermind
[21:16:56] <BeachBumPete> evening folks
[21:17:00] <Jymmm> Is it common to have something like 1.15mm, 2.75mm, basically hundreds of a mm ?
[21:17:02] <jdh> hiya pete
[21:17:06] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/5XHtI5j.jpg
[21:17:09] <Jymmm> err tenths I mean
[21:17:10] <BeachBumPete> jey JDH
[21:17:10] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: ^
[21:17:13] <zeeshan> all i could find lol
[21:17:20] <zeeshan> dinky little cutter
[21:17:25] <zeeshan> that'll blow up cause itll get cloggedf
[21:17:25] <_methods> Pete
[21:17:33] <_methods> How is fla
[21:17:54] <BeachBumPete> _methods Pretty damn beautiful man ;)
[21:17:55] <jdh> I'm looking for some place in SoFla for a week in July right now
[21:18:18] <_methods> You renting kayaks on the beach yet
[21:18:19] <BeachBumPete> funny I'm lookin' for a place there too ;)
[21:18:36] <BeachBumPete> no need to rent man we own four kayaks :D
[21:18:49] <BeachBumPete> been out in them several times
[21:18:51] <_methods> It was beautiful today here too
[21:19:10] <_methods> 82 and suny
[21:19:39] <BeachBumPete> WTF? LOL
[21:20:51] <_methods> You broke your irc
[21:21:01] <BeachBumPete> Musta have
[21:21:22] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you might have to make a couple passes
[21:21:27] <Tom_itx> and blend it a bit
[21:21:52] <Tom_itx> rough the bulk of it away first
[21:22:05] <Tom_itx> and clean up with that
[21:22:40] <Tom_itx> use a bull nose to rough it
[21:23:15] <_methods> you still looking for a place?
[21:24:19] <BeachBumPete> well we were until yesterday...I think we found one finally.. we put some earnest money down on it anyway now we just gotta deal with the bank
[21:25:46] <_methods> good deal
[21:26:06] <_methods> Got a nice space for your toys?
[21:26:17] <BeachBumPete> well yes and no ;)
[21:26:25] <_methods> And 3 phase :)
[21:26:32] <BeachBumPete> it does have a nice size 2 car garage
[21:26:49] <BeachBumPete> but it is not near as big a garage as my shop in Tennessee was
[21:27:01] <_methods> Bummer
[21:27:13] <BeachBumPete> but it is big enough for the CNC's and most of my stuff
[21:27:28] <BeachBumPete> the good news is that the house is a nice corner lot
[21:27:35] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hand-tool/markham-york-region/3-sets-of-17-piece-precision-angle-block-set-ej99-2117/393765950?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[21:27:36] <zeeshan> anyone use these?
[21:27:41] <BeachBumPete> and it has a cool fenced in yard
[21:28:04] <Tom_itx> silly zee
[21:28:04] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: simulation time says 60 min
[21:28:05] <zeeshan> lol
[21:28:18] <Tom_itx> for what?
[21:28:21] <BeachBumPete> so I think what I will do is build a large shed/shop building out back for like just my woodworking tools
[21:28:27] <zeeshan> 25 thou step over
[21:28:28] <zeeshan> with a ball nose
[21:28:35] <Tom_itx> you could rig a sine plane
[21:28:50] <Tom_itx> try roughing with a bull nose and finish with that little cutter
[21:28:55] <BeachBumPete> so the garage will be JUST for my metalworking and Tig welding
[21:29:00] <zeeshan> oh i see what you mean
[21:29:06] <zeeshan> rough away with steps
[21:29:09] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:29:19] <Tom_itx> .1 step over or such
[21:29:23] <Tom_itx> maybe a bit less
[21:29:35] <Tom_itx> 1" cutter or so
[21:29:47] <zeeshan> im thinking i might just invest the time in making a proper jig
[21:29:51] <zeeshan> to allow me to mount at any angle
[21:29:55] <zeeshan> cause this seems to come up from time to time
[21:30:01] <zeeshan> and it pisses me off.. cause it takes forever
[21:30:08] <zeeshan> it looks so simple too..
[21:30:30] <zeeshan> thanks for the help guys
[21:30:33] <zeeshan> bed time :P
[21:30:33] <Tom_itx> https://www.google.com/search?q=adjustable+angle+plate&tbm=isch&imgil=ho6jSCEJYzxm8M%253A%253Bbe0s2fcWCKq_iM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.chronos.ltd.uk%25252Facatalog%25252Finfo_AAP.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ho6jSCEJYzxm8M%253A%252Cbe0s2fcWCKq_iM%252C_&usg=__ZR-yvZOB0BSjP5TSywrSfZ7b2wA%3D&biw=979&bih=664&ved=0ahUKEwiwpc6zm6vMAhXHQiYKHaqCBqIQyjcIKA&ei=qsweV7CoGseFmQGqhZqQCg#imgrc=ho6jSCEJYzxm8M%3A
[21:30:39] <Tom_itx> zee
[21:30:40] <zeeshan> hm
[21:31:02] <Tom_itx> http://www.homews.co.uk/page326.html
[21:31:30] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/city-of-toronto/swivel-angle-plate/490823954
[21:31:46] <zeeshan> expensive
[21:31:54] <Tom_itx> https://www.buckandhickman.com/find/category-is-L0ME+Measuring+Tools+and+Test+Equipment/category-is-ME+Measuring+Tools+and+Equipment/product-is-030366
[21:32:03] <zeeshan> jeez
[21:32:14] <zeeshan> whats stopping it from rotating?
[21:32:19] <zeeshan> tightening that bolt where it pivots?
[21:32:30] <Tom_itx> you should drill pins at some angles like 60 45 etc
[21:32:54] <Tom_itx> put a machinist jack under the front edge
[21:33:11] <zeeshan> asking for trouble :P
[21:33:25] <Tom_itx> get a 5 axis
[21:33:29] <zeeshan> lol
[21:33:32] <zeeshan> solution to everything
[21:33:33] <zeeshan> 5 axis!
[21:33:38] <Tom_itx> hah true
[21:33:40] <zeeshan> :D
[21:33:54] <zeeshan> that was the joke we pulled at work
[21:33:57] <Tom_itx> i'd go with the bull nose/ angle cutter combo
[21:34:05] <zeeshan> i will if i can't some up with a fixture
[21:34:11] <zeeshan> if i make a fixture
[21:34:15] <zeeshan> it'll be flexible
[21:34:17] <zeeshan> otherwise no point
[21:34:17] <Tom_itx> add up the time your fixture will take
[21:34:21] <Tom_itx> and cost
[21:34:24] <zeeshan> this is long term investment
[21:34:27] <zeeshan> for my own projects also
[21:34:47] <yasnak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yquUP_uRrKM
[21:34:50] <Tom_itx> i could also apply that excuse to a 5 axis
[21:34:56] <zeeshan> rofl
[21:34:57] <yasnak> there, now three machines running 24/7.
[21:35:30] <zeeshan> why is it so dark in the shop yasnak
[21:35:33] <Tom_itx> it also wouldn't require a P2 for that cut
[21:35:37] <Tom_itx> your solution would
[21:35:43] <yasnak> because its night haha
[21:35:47] <zeeshan> =P
[21:35:57] <yasnak> the back swiss shop runs unattended from 5pm - 5am
[21:36:30] <yasnak> this is my first actual part ejection system. the rest are the ol' brake line through spindle into bucket type. not exactly osha approved ;)
[21:37:09] <Tom_itx> yasnak where do you live? i'll have em pay you a visit
[21:37:22] <Tom_itx> you know their minimum fine is $7k
[21:37:29] <yasnak> thanks bro
[21:37:30] <yasnak> i'm good
[21:37:35] <Tom_itx> and that's just for not having their posters displayed
[21:38:07] <yasnak> you mean i need to put the interlocks on again? sigh
[21:38:12] <Tom_itx> hah
[21:38:26] <Tom_itx> i just finished an OSHA class...
[21:38:33] <BeachBumPete> those look like sweet machines
[21:41:05] <BeachBumPete> hopefully we can close on our new house and I can get my machine back in my shop so I can continue working on my CNC lathe build. Can't wait to be able to use that thing..
[21:41:30] <yasnak> tom
[21:41:32] <yasnak> as did i
[21:41:54] <yasnak> I've never met such interesting people then at that OSHA class
[21:42:18] <Tom_itx> there were all sorts at mine
[21:42:51] <yasnak> I would be worried about some people's safety programs after meeting some haha
[21:42:58] <yasnak> Two day class?
[21:43:00] <Tom_itx> most were monkey machinists but there were a few healthcare personell etc
[21:43:11] <Tom_itx> yea
[21:43:13] <Tom_itx> 2 day
[21:43:16] <yasnak> Yeah
[21:43:19] <Tom_itx> osha10
[21:43:25] <yasnak> fines just went up
[21:43:29] <yasnak> yayddayahayh
[21:43:55] <Tom_itx> they recently got a couple around here for upwards of 100k
[21:44:09] <yasnak> fatality?
[21:44:13] <Tom_itx> no
[21:44:17] <yasnak> repeat?
[21:44:20] <Tom_itx> one was a chocolate factory
[21:44:22] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[21:44:27] <yasnak> probably interlocks
[21:45:05] <yasnak> amazing how usually the safety guy is the maintenance guy. who is the same guy who bypasses interlocks to maintenance machines while running. hmmmmm
[21:45:10] <yasnak> *usually
[21:45:17] <unfy> i'm curious. if a gov't body comes around and decides to fine you 102958129058012958901258 monies - where does this money go ? into hiring more ppl to go fine others ?
[21:45:42] <yasnak> forgot
[21:45:42] <Tom_itx> https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owasrch_news_releases.search_form?p_doc_type=NEWS_RELEASES&p_toc_level=0&p_keyvalue=
[21:45:46] <yasnak> this was a question they answered too
[21:45:58] <yasnak> i think it goes towards paying for the program as well...
[21:48:55] <Tom_itx> https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=NEWS_RELEASES&p_id=30702
[21:49:01] <Tom_itx> i think that was one of em
[21:50:58] <Tom_itx> nobody likes em but they do a good service for employees
[21:52:39] <Tom_itx> Penalties collected from businesses through OSHA violations go to the U.S. Treasurys general fund as required by the Section 17. Penalties of the OSH Act of 1970. Fines are not used to directly fund OSHA activities.
[21:53:18] <Tom_itx> there's your answer
[21:53:36] <zeeshan> lol
[21:54:19] <yasnak> well i totally forgot everything
[21:54:30] <yasnak> good thing i think i remember where my little class training manual is
[21:54:41] * Tom_itx pulls yasnak's osha10 card for reevaluation
[21:54:43] <yasnak> i think
[21:55:21] <yasnak> Went with my boss. I think we both partied hard the nights before as it was nearly like vacation haha
[21:58:06] <Tom_itx> i will tell you that if they show up, they DO NOT issue warnings
[21:58:21] <zeeshan> hah
[21:58:24] <zeeshan> osha is boss
[21:59:15] <Tom_itx> and they fine for each occurance so if you and your buddy are caught with no safety glasses that's 2 instances
[21:59:22] <Tom_itx> X 7k minimum
[22:01:12] <zeeshan> tom
[22:01:14] <zeeshan> i think i figured it out..
[22:01:30] <Tom_itx> i had that done 30 min ago
[22:01:48] <zeeshan> i forgot that my mill head tilts :P
[22:01:53] <zeeshan> :)
[22:02:07] <Tom_itx> yeah but that takes time and time to get it straight again
[22:02:10] <zeeshan> no
[22:02:15] <zeeshan> i dont have to dial it in
[22:02:19] <zeeshan> it's held in by precision pins
[22:02:23] <zeeshan> @ 0 location
[22:02:26] <Tom_itx> at 60 deg?
[22:02:41] <zeeshan> 60 degree isnt critical
[22:02:46] <zeeshan> as long as it's same for the two wedges
[22:02:52] <Tom_itx> if you're set on having a 2nd op go for it
[22:02:55] <zeeshan> eyball centric
[22:03:03] <zeeshan> i also trhought of another way..
[22:03:06] <zeeshan> but it involves more work
[22:03:34] <Tom_itx> setting up an extruder?
[22:03:36] <zeeshan> it samazing how much work can be done in the shower.
[22:03:37] <zeeshan> :)
[22:03:40] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/JXtwviM.png
[22:03:59] * Tom_itx doesn't care about zeeshan's shower thoughts
[22:04:06] <zeeshan> ^ thats my shower thought
[22:04:06] <zeeshan> lol
[22:04:39] <Tom_itx> that would work ok but it still adds a 2nd position
[22:04:50] <zeeshan> what do you mean second position
[22:06:12] <Tom_itx> you still have to drill holes and slot the piece
[22:06:28] <zeeshan> thats easy peezee
[22:06:29] <zeeshan> :P
[22:06:49] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: thank you for adding a new item on my wishlist
[22:06:54] <zeeshan> - angle plate
[22:06:55] <zeeshan> :[
[22:06:58] <Tom_itx> hah
[22:07:00] <zeeshan> adjustable angle plate that is
[22:07:05] <zeeshan> can't believe how expensive itis
[22:09:10] <Tom_itx> i'd stack a bunch of em and clean the ends and do the slots at once
[22:09:33] <Tom_itx> unless you think they'd work loose
[22:10:00] <zeeshan> 2390312821398 ways to do it
[22:10:07] <zeeshan> but i still think this type of problem looks simple
[22:10:07] <Tom_itx> +1
[22:10:09] <zeeshan> but its pretty challenging
[22:10:34] <Tom_itx> just find the most efficient one for your equipment
[22:10:45] <zeeshan> tom did you see my video
[22:10:52] <Tom_itx> no
[22:10:52] <zeeshan> of ultra high speed machiing (at least for my machine)
[22:10:55] <zeeshan> its a bit choppy
[22:10:58] <zeeshan> but man i love watching it
[22:11:06] <Tom_itx> i may have seen it the other day
[22:11:11] <zeeshan> i just uploaded it tonight :P
[22:11:15] <Tom_itx> cutting the can opener?
[22:11:24] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoAgAy7RBGU
[22:11:34] <zeeshan> you might recognize the part
[22:11:45] <zeeshan> that was before the tabs version
[22:12:39] <Tom_itx> smaller than i pictured
[22:12:49] <zeeshan> tiny part :P
[22:13:13] <Tom_itx> you should be doing those 3 across
[22:13:20] <zeeshan> i realized tha tlater
[22:13:26] <zeeshan> when doign the tabs version
[22:13:29] <zeeshan> that i shoulda just got a long flatbad
[22:13:32] <zeeshan> and done a bunch at once
[22:13:32] <zeeshan> haha
[22:13:41] <zeeshan> but only had to make 2 of those
[22:14:36] <zeeshan> okay its really bed time now :P
[22:14:36] <zeeshan> cya!
[22:14:37] <Tom_itx> the prof was impressed with my table
[22:14:41] <zeeshan> which table
[22:14:46] <zeeshan> oh
[22:14:46] <Tom_itx> table driven cad
[22:14:47] <zeeshan> the driven
[22:14:58] <zeeshan> you need to now do a cad job :P
[22:15:05] <Tom_itx> naw
[22:15:32] <zeeshan> just learning for fun?
[22:15:38] <Tom_itx> well i did accomplish something tonight...
[22:15:47] <Tom_itx> managed to keep you up an extra 30 min
[22:15:53] <zeeshan> haha
[22:15:55] <zeeshan> okay cya!
[22:15:55] <Tom_itx> mostly
[22:17:37] <enleth> can't decide if the e-stop on a laser cutter should cut HV supply power only or LV for steppers and control as well - what do you think?
[22:18:13] <djdelorie> if it's an emergency, kill everything
[22:18:26] <enleth> the steppers are a joke and won't really damage anything even if the machine loses position, they just make funny noises when they bump against physical stop
[22:19:38] <enleth> it does make sense, though, that the e-stop should kill them as well - someone might want to use it when they hear those funny noises and realize they hit the end of the axis
[22:20:49] <enleth> I also added a lid switch, there wasn't one before
[22:21:00] <enleth> that will just inhibit HV
[22:21:58] <enleth> the reason there wasn't one is very simple - just look at the photo: http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1C3H6LVXXXXbdXFXXq6xXFXXXy/high-quality-50W-tube-laser-engraving-machine-LY-laser-3040-co2-laser-cutter-with-rotary-axis.jpg_640x640.jpg
[22:23:06] <enleth> I might have, once or twice, seen a more jarring evidence of the chinese not giving a shit about anything and everything, but I sure can't recall it
[22:23:33] <enleth> this just takes the cake
[22:38:50] <os1r1s> enleth Most laser cutters don't have an estop
[22:40:58] <enleth> os1r1s: noticed already
[22:41:09] <enleth> that's not a reason not to add one
[22:41:19] <enleth> I'm rewiring that piece of crap anyway
[22:42:57] <os1r1s> enleth I think its a bit pointless to have one on an LC anyway
[22:43:34] <os1r1s> enleth I assume you are swapping it to linuxcnc?
[22:43:52] <enleth> not yet, but that's a possibility
[22:44:32] <os1r1s> They have an aftermarket electronics kit for those that makes it much better
[22:45:37] <enleth> the tube cracked, I decided to replace the stock cooling system with a closed circuit one, then one thing lead to another and now I'm replacing all the electrical and HV control wiring
[22:46:38] <enleth> the new tube is already in
[22:46:40] <os1r1s> enleth It was one like this, but a bit cheaper .. http://www.lightobject.com/AWC608-Commercial-DSP-CO2-Laser-Engraving-Cutter-Controller-P321.aspx
[22:47:00] <enleth> I've seen that one
[22:47:05] <enleth> a bit pricey, though
[22:47:12] <unfy> $300 on the machine, $500 on the upgrades, spend $750-$800 on something better to begin with ? j/k
[22:47:42] <enleth> for that price, I could get a mesa set and use some random stepper drivers I have lying around
[22:49:09] <enleth> unfy: a friend got EU funding for his startup a year ago and bought this cutter, then brought it in, so I'm in no position to complain
[22:49:43] <unfy> indeed
[22:50:18] <enleth> and while it worked, it was rather useful, if a bit finicky
[22:51:38] <enleth> it was two weeks out of warranty when the tube failed (it's not like that would be covered anyway), so he just let me play with it while I replace the tube
[22:52:24] <enleth> the chassis is OK, nice thick powder coated sheet metal
[22:53:25] <enleth> the axes aren't that bad either, stiff enough to move a mirror/lens armature
[22:53:50] <enleth> it's just the wiring that's shit
[22:54:05] <enleth> and how they placed the control panel and power switch under the cover
[23:48:49] <Not-Renny> Guys, how do you do gcode with inkscape?
[23:52:00] <djdelorie> last time I did that was long ago, there was a plugin that I didn't like so I wrote my own converter :-)
[23:52:53] <djdelorie> if you don't need to do width-to-depth conversion, the plugin should work, but I don't remember where it was
[23:52:57] <djdelorie> (yeah, I'm not much help)
[23:55:53] * Jymmm lol @ djdelorie
[23:56:28] <djdelorie> well, I had a very specific need... I had to carve my mom's signature on the box her remains are in
[23:56:48] <djdelorie> it came out fantastic but I wasn't really thinking about reusability at the time
[23:58:01] <Jymmm> ah
[23:58:07] <Jymmm> condolences
[23:58:45] <djdelorie> thanks, it was years ago now. I did push me to finish the CNC machine though.
[23:58:58] <Jymmm> heh
[23:59:23] <Jymmm> Not sure why, not like she was going anywhere <rimshot>
[23:59:36] <Jymmm> ..I hope =)
[23:59:43] <djdelorie> I scanned her passport signature, converted it to a stroked path in Inkscape, and converted that to gcode