#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-16

[00:00:34] <pink_vampire> it's 7$ end mill
[00:03:17] <XXCoder> not too bad really
[00:03:26] <XXCoder> most tools is more expensive than that
[00:03:55] <pink_vampire> I really want it to last for more then one part.
[00:04:37] <XXCoder> yeah but then its cheap tools to learn on
[00:05:03] <XXCoder> I once broke $300 tool at internship by mistake. not cheap tool to make mistake on.
[00:05:15] <XXCoder> it was 8 inches long inch diameter
[00:05:22] <pink_vampire> omg..
[00:05:24] <XXCoder> (8 inches is just flutes)
[00:05:42] <XXCoder> yeah thankfully theyre fine as it was part of internship
[00:05:43] <pink_vampire> what machine?
[00:05:52] <XXCoder> bridgeport
[00:06:00] <pink_vampire> manual machine?
[00:06:03] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:06:39] <pink_vampire> 8" from R8..
[00:06:50] <pink_vampire> that something..
[00:07:44] <XXCoder> It was to cut long and thin part on side
[00:07:57] <XXCoder> pressing part towards steel block
[00:08:30] <XXCoder> unfortunately while finding Z I acciently pressed tool on 123 block too hard
[00:08:39] <XXCoder> and small chip broke off
[00:13:36] <pink_vampire> 81296 lines of Gcode!!
[00:13:39] <pink_vampire> OMG!!
[00:14:43] <XXCoder> crazy old fadal'd cut off at half that lol
[00:14:56] <XXCoder> old fadal only has 40k byte memory or thereabouts
[00:15:59] <pink_vampire> it's say that going to take 2:30 hours..
[00:17:32] <XXCoder> crazy. curved surfaces?
[00:18:31] <pink_vampire> no
[00:18:34] <pink_vampire> 2d
[00:20:03] <XXCoder> strange
[00:20:06] <Wolf_> thats it? I did a 8hr run on the x1 :D
[00:20:31] <pink_vampire> x1?
[00:20:43] <Wolf_> crappy flexy mill
[00:21:03] <pink_vampire> I'm sure that I can run faster
[00:21:25] <pink_vampire> but I never cut super hard steel
[00:21:39] <pink_vampire> it's hard like 123block
[00:22:11] <Wolf_> 123 block hard = grinding not mill...
[00:22:39] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/IKemF8k.png?1 took a while to make
[00:23:20] <XXCoder> she needs quite complex part made in that metal
[00:23:43] <pink_vampire> it's not have to be that
[00:24:07] <pink_vampire> it can be any metal
[00:25:37] <XXCoder> maybe good idea change heh dunno
[00:26:09] <CaptHindsight> http://60abc.com/sharps-adorable-robot-phone-is-a-not-so-cute-1800/
[00:26:37] <pink_vampire> AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[00:26:42] <pink_vampire> cuute
[00:27:01] <CaptHindsight> I want one that can run the machine while I'm at the beach
[00:27:25] <pink_vampire> rdp..
[00:29:45] <XXCoder> $1,800 it better be able to code programs for me
[00:30:05] <XXCoder> and find new mathicial proofs while bored on side job
[02:10:42] <Deejay> moin
[02:42:07] <yasnak> Morning
[03:03:27] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[03:03:34] <pink_vampire> hi yasnak
[03:03:47] <yasnak> Whats good?
[03:04:01] <XXCoder> heys
[03:05:10] <yasnak> ugh, tired but want to finish shit.
[03:05:26] <XXCoder> you have to, or you'll be pooping in bed
[03:05:35] <yasnak> If I go to bed too late though I'll never go to sleep and then tomorrow day is shot
[03:05:36] <yasnak> True
[03:06:00] <yasnak> But I'm a grown man, I make my own decisions. :P
[03:07:01] <XXCoder> yep gonna bear to burden of your results from decisions :)
[03:08:35] <yasnak> always ;)
[03:09:29] <pink_vampire> sooo cold here
[03:09:56] <yasnak> Need to do brakes on my truck tomorrow. Never thought of using a mechanic until moving to Florida. Without a garage/house yet it really sucks during summer.
[03:13:22] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Static-Solutions-Anti-Static-Clean-Room-Hand-Lotion-HL-3408-New-8oz-Bottle-/201510593193?hash=item2eeaf7a2a9:g:FF4AAOSwpRRWpScx
[03:19:46] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Crane-Machine-Replacement-Claws-Small-Size-6-1-4-Inch-/301208432870?hash=item46216bf0e6:g:aikAAOxy9dVTk11f
[03:20:08] <XXCoder> making a toy crane? heh
[04:04:35] <pink_vampire> no.
[04:04:37] <pink_vampire> but
[04:04:48] <pink_vampire> I have new art nails
[04:06:31] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/HJTGW2L.png
[04:06:39] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[04:06:50] <XXCoder> so that was what it was for
[04:07:01] <pink_vampire> no..
[04:07:02] <MrSunshine_> wtf ...
[04:07:03] <XXCoder> so it worked eh
[04:07:15] <pink_vampire> yes.
[04:07:19] <XXCoder> MrSunshine_: I have seen more insane art
[04:07:24] <XXCoder> hers is sane comparatibely
[04:07:26] <XXCoder> so whatever
[04:07:32] <MrSunshine_> how does one even go about the day with nails like that?!
[04:07:42] <MrSunshine_> hell if mine are over 2mm long i break them :P
[04:07:54] <pink_vampire> I have a cnc..
[04:07:59] <MrSunshine_> haha
[04:08:03] <pink_vampire> I never work with my hands.
[04:08:04] <MrSunshine_> but just reaching into a pocket or something
[04:08:07] <MrSunshine_> =)
[04:08:21] <pink_vampire> and my BF help me. (a lot)
[04:08:28] <MrSunshine_> haha =)
[04:08:36] <MrSunshine_> just so you can have long nails? :P
[04:08:44] <pink_vampire> yes.
[04:08:56] <archivist> so he can have damaged nuts
[04:08:57] <MrSunshine_> sigh .. sorry but .. sigh
[04:08:58] <MrSunshine_> =)
[04:09:14] <pink_vampire> damaged nuts?
[04:09:50] <archivist> wedding tackle
[04:10:41] <XXCoder> yeah nuts with stick near it
[04:10:51] <XXCoder> sometimes floppy sometimes hard stick
[04:10:51] <pink_vampire> anyway, I cut it with carbide tool 4F 1/8", 1000 rpm, 100mm/min, 0.1mm deep, 0.7mm side
[04:11:04] <pink_vampire> the tap was hss from ebay.
[04:11:25] <pink_vampire> work ok~.. the tap guide was very helpful!!
[04:12:06] <pink_vampire> then I part it from the stock. and now I need to remove the rest from the bottom.
[04:12:18] <pink_vampire> and drill 3 holes on the sides.
[04:12:26] <pink_vampire> any idea?
[04:12:44] <pink_vampire> I can't hold it with the screw it will spin
[04:13:10] <XXCoder> screw AND something else to prevent rotation
[04:13:23] <pink_vampire> like??
[04:13:31] <XXCoder> not too sure actually
[04:13:53] <XXCoder> it being so tiny makes it bit hard lol
[04:14:07] <XXCoder> luckly drilling shouldnt be too stressful
[04:14:37] <XXCoder> maybe round bar or something fit under it between 2 downwards parts so it cant rotate
[04:14:45] <XXCoder> not sure how to secure that bar though
[04:14:48] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about hold it in the vise with parallel, and dowel pin
[04:15:49] <pink_vampire> archivist?? any idea.. you are the king of small machining stuff
[04:17:51] <pink_vampire> archivist: ?
[04:17:55] <pink_vampire> O_O
[04:19:04] <XXCoder> talking about ball tackling, so, where is this guy hands https://i.chzbgr.com/full/4005778688/h28AFA460/
[04:20:55] <pink_vampire> OMG
[04:22:36] <pink_vampire> I'm using tweezers for the setup!
[04:36:04] <pink_vampire> I killed it :(
[04:36:12] <pink_vampire> again :(
[04:36:25] <XXCoder> doh so tweezer didnt work?
[04:37:02] <pink_vampire> the vise crack the part :(
[04:37:19] <XXCoder> hmm yea harder = more brittle usually
[04:45:47] <pink_vampire> yeah..
[04:46:01] <pink_vampire> I'm starting again
[04:49:29] <XXCoder> cool
[05:13:29] <archivist> I make small parts on a stick of material for holding, last op is to cut off
[05:18:41] <XXCoder> that does seem better way
[05:18:57] <XXCoder> no need to clamp on tiny part just clamp on rest fo rod
[05:20:17] <archivist> example this part 3mm dia http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_08_14_cnc_watch_verge_escape_wheel/IMG_0273.JPG
[05:20:58] <XXCoder> man your pics is always too huge
[05:21:32] <archivist> full resolution :) nowt taken out
[05:22:12] <archivist> part is easy to locate in a collet in the rotary or lathe for 2nd op
[05:23:00] <XXCoder> she dont have one
[05:23:11] <XXCoder> and her design is quite odd
[05:25:59] <archivist> I have no idea what she is making
[05:28:37] <XXCoder> possible nail decocation?
[05:28:44] <XXCoder> she did show pic of it on her nail
[06:53:59] <malcom2073> Looking at making a water passage, wondering what the best way to seal it: http://i.imgur.com/rltAAox.png
[06:54:04] <malcom2073> Low pressure water, just a couple PSI
[06:54:33] <XXCoder> seal wat surface?
[06:54:35] <XXCoder> the top?
[06:54:44] <malcom2073> Yeah, that's 16" by 2"
[06:54:49] <malcom2073> Basically a flat top
[06:55:05] <malcom2073> Would it be easier to cut a groove and use a round rubber oring (Stuff is only 0.30 per ft), or to cut something out of gasket material, and do you think that's enough bolt holes?
[06:55:06] <XXCoder> psi that low its probably just rubber gasket
[06:55:14] <XXCoder> nice and little bit tight and its sealed
[06:55:27] <XXCoder> cant advise on enough holes or not really
[06:57:51] <XXCoder> malcom2073: if you want extra strength add groove
[06:57:59] <XXCoder> and use thoicker sealant
[06:58:41] <malcom2073> The goove I think would make it easier to hold the ring in place during sealing
[06:59:10] <XXCoder> yeah makes it harder to blow out
[06:59:19] <XXCoder> though for 2 psi say its massive overkill
[06:59:30] <XXCoder> get 2 psi design for 20 psi I say lol
[07:00:29] <malcom2073> Heh, yeah I mean the groove would be for ease of assembly, not functionally needed
[07:00:36] <malcom2073> And with a cnc, such a groove is trivial :P
[07:01:25] <XXCoder> indeed
[07:01:48] <XXCoder> will you put its inverse on cover or just smooth
[07:01:56] <malcom2073> Smooth
[07:02:11] <Encapsulation> I'll buy at walmart if it's cheapest there =D
[07:02:44] <malcom2073> The other question, is should I NPT tap the ends and use brass fittings, or is there a better option?
[07:02:47] <XXCoder> bleh it is your right
[07:09:12] <malcom2073> Encapsulation: Bought something yet?
[07:09:33] <XXCoder> malcom2073: what is that thing material anyway
[07:09:40] <malcom2073> XXCoder: aluminum
[07:10:09] <XXCoder> hm considering its low pressure I guess tap and bolt probably fine, assuming it is not to be serviced a lot times
[07:10:28] <malcom2073> Should never have to be opened up
[07:10:41] <XXCoder> indeed.
[07:11:13] <Encapsulation> malcom2073, I was at a sustainability conference, I had to put it on hold. I'm hoping to make a decision this weekend
[07:11:35] <Encapsulation> Someone posted in my thread saying omio hasnt been responding to any of their emails - pre-sale - so that gave me cause for concern
[07:11:45] <malcom2073> Heh, that sounds exciting as hell
[07:12:22] <XXCoder> no contact? they wont contact you for support
[07:12:31] <XXCoder> move on I guess
[08:21:12] * Loetmichel just took a trip to the hardware store to get an €100 water pump + tubes and attachments... how are the bets that i find my old pump once the waterbed is empty?
[08:49:30] <maxcnc> hi all
[08:50:23] <maxcnc> as i read the undicided haas not made a dicission yet
[08:50:52] <maxcnc> thanks to him i no making 100100 mashies the 4th nowcorderd
[08:51:00] <maxcnc> ;-)
[08:51:43] <maxcnc> have a nice day
[09:20:46] <enleth> servo drives arrived
[09:22:38] <gregcnc_> do you have connectors?
[09:24:22] <enleth> well that's one of the problems - Copley used a single very long 2.54mm raster connector for all I/O instead of screw terminals
[09:25:15] <gregcnc_> 0.1" pitch connectors should be easy to find
[09:25:30] <enleth> I can't even swap them for screw terminals easily because the leads of this connector are pretty far from the board edge
[09:25:45] <enleth> gregcnc_: it's a 16 pin connector
[09:25:55] <enleth> I've never ever seen a connector of this type with so many pins
[09:26:10] <gregcnc_> do the manuals list a part number?
[09:26:47] <enleth> and unless it's one of those plug-in screw terminal types, it must be a huge PITA to assemble
[09:27:52] <enleth> gonzo_: not really
[09:28:36] <enleth> crap
[09:28:39] <enleth> gregcnc_: ^
[09:28:51] <gregcnc_> which drive?
[09:29:05] <gregcnc_> manuals list molex p/n
[09:29:18] <enleth> Copley Controls 423
[09:30:52] <gregcnc_> 403 manuals says Molex: 22-01-3147 housing with 08-50-0114 pins
[09:31:59] <gregcnc_> same 16 pin as on the AMC I used in the lathe
[09:33:48] <gregcnc_> tedious, but not PITA
[09:44:34] <JT-Shop> heading to Guido's Pizzeria & Tapas on the Hill for lunch http://www.guidosstl.com/ on the Bluewing
[10:17:13] <enleth> gregcnc_: OK, thanks, the manual I have for 423 does not seem to include this piece of information
[10:17:38] <enleth> gregcnc_: what I meant by PITA is that it's not quick and easy to swap wires in this
[10:17:55] <enleth> really a row of low-gauge screw terminals would be much more convenient
[10:18:10] <enleth> or preferably, unpluggable screw terminals
[10:18:13] <archivist> it is if you have the special tool
[10:18:22] <enleth> there's really no excuse for not using those in expensive equipment
[10:18:46] <archivist> screws come loose, crimps generally dont
[10:18:55] <gregcnc_> butthe drive itself is intended to be swapped in the equipment. unplug swap replug
[10:19:10] <enleth> archivist: shitty screw terminals do come loose
[10:20:21] <enleth> gregcnc_: that's why this was invented: http://www.uctronics.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/0/10pcs-2edg-2pin-plug-screw-terminal-block-connector-508mm-pitch-right-angle-0d3a8036-800x800.jpg
[10:20:39] <enleth> other than being bulky, it's the best of both worlds
[10:20:44] <gregcnc_> use them
[10:21:44] <enleth> as I said, I can't swap this molex header for those because it's an angle type with PCB leads offset from the PCB edge much farther than an upright header would do
[10:22:51] <enleth> so I'm probably stuck with it as it is
[10:27:22] <enleth> gregcnc_: molex 22-01-3147 is 14 pin, this is 16 pin, but I know all I need anyway
[10:27:58] <enleth> it's Molex KK 2.54mm 1row
[10:28:23] <enleth> after who knows how many years of handling those connectors I finally know that this type is called KK by Molex
[10:30:20] <enleth> the one I need is apparently 22-01-2165
[10:39:26] <gregcnc_> any chance these would fit the existing connector?
[10:39:31] <gregcnc_> http://www.newark.com/phoenix-contact/fmc-0-5-2-st-2-54/pluggable-terminal-block-2-160/dp/12X8591
[10:45:13] <enleth> hard to say
[10:45:18] <enleth> the headers for those are SMT
[10:45:49] <enleth> actually an angle header with 2.54mm pitch could fit in there and stick out enough to be usable
[10:47:03] <enleth> http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/2015-11/13/105132282_s.jpg - like this but wider, or two side by side if the shell tickness permits
[12:55:17] <yasnak> Anyone ever used one of those nanostation's from ubiquity? Need something cheap, simple and reliable. Want to get away from dropping actual rj45 to each machine for networking. I'd have them on a separate network of course.
[13:01:43] <ReadError> yasnak
[13:01:49] <ReadError> any ole dd-wrt will work
[13:01:57] <ReadError> thats how I have my basement setup
[13:02:03] <ReadError> bridge w/ 4 ports
[13:02:26] <ReadError> 15$ and you're done
[13:02:37] <yasnak> already using their ap-pros and the controller. figured it would be nice not to add more to the equation. but yeah, was just wondering if there is anything that springs out as bad before going ahead :P
[13:03:31] <ReadError> yea works fine
[13:03:48] <ReadError> im guessing wired is better on the OS side of things too
[13:03:53] <ReadError> just a hunch
[13:04:19] <_methods> i'm using the ap-ac lites
[13:04:33] <_methods> i used the ap pro forever love that thing
[13:04:39] <_methods> ubiquiti makes great stuff
[13:05:11] <yasnak> yeah, i have two for our entire shop
[13:05:28] <_methods> yeah i took my old ap pro into work
[13:05:39] <_methods> now i have 2 ap ac lites at the house
[13:05:56] <yasnak> all of 100 a piece? lasted three years and easily supports 40+ people on either. two ssid's, public and private networks
[13:06:07] <yasnak> its good stuff ;p
[13:06:26] <yasnak> but yeah, wired. i may need to wire some of the mills for drip feed :/
[13:06:36] <_methods> yeah i love it
[13:07:44] <_methods> i've never tried their nanostations though
[13:07:57] <_methods> wtf are they supposed to do?
[13:08:34] <yasnak> https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/picostationm/
[13:09:29] <_methods> oh so it's an exterior grade AP?
[13:09:59] <yasnak> They've got all sorts of shit, this is the lowest and smallest. You can make it a client, bridge, AP. Its all within the controller itself
[13:10:33] <_methods> yeah the only thing i don't like about ubiquiti is their controller thing
[13:11:06] <yasnak> Same but I already have a server so its fine. For home use you just need it to set it up or to adjust the access points. Then turn it off.
[13:11:23] <_methods> they're also fairly hostile to open source community
[13:11:47] <_methods> yeah i use pfsense for my router and i just use the controller for initial setup
[13:13:44] <yasnak> yeah. sonicwall here.
[14:11:00] <_abc_> Hello. Does anyone know what kind of motors the ~$250 with VFD spindles, 2kW, water cooled, sold on ebay are? PM bldc or induction?
[14:15:25] <jdh> haven't seen any 2kw ones. The 1.5 and 2.2kw ones are
[14:15:38] <jdh> are bldc, 3phase output from teh vfd
[14:16:34] <_abc_> 2.2kW say. But what tech? induction or permanent magnet? (PM)
[14:17:15] <jdh> that is the extent of my knowledge of mine :)
[14:21:49] <yasnak> _methods: you don't happen to work at methods do you? lol
[14:22:08] <_methods> nopew
[14:22:10] <_methods> lol
[14:22:16] <yasnak> ;)
[14:30:56] <gregcnc> i'm pretty sure those are induction motors
[15:07:06] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/OwqJg For those with CNC routers
[15:08:01] <gregcnc> the comments....
[15:08:24] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I question the praticality
[15:08:36] <malcom2073> I'll bet they're heavy as hell
[15:09:02] <gregcnc> unless they use ikea grade ply
[15:10:49] <XXCoder> if I made that I'd make it easy to pull apart type.
[15:11:26] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: it must have hit someones kink
[15:11:52] <XXCoder> mrbear13 must have just discovered that lol
[15:58:34] <MrSunshine_> https://www.maskinisten.net/viewtopic.php?t=28749 neat little shaper =)
[16:26:47] <Deejay> gn8
[17:21:03] <XXCoder> MrSunshine_: looking
[17:21:45] <XXCoder> whats it do? looks kinda like horzonal mill
[17:22:30] <MrSunshine_> its a shaper... manual =)
[17:22:59] <XXCoder> whats shaper?
[17:23:48] <XXCoder> looking at youtube
[17:24:13] <XXCoder> weird, lmost lathe style for flat surfaced
[17:35:53] <JT-Shop> now to trouble shoot the BP
[17:37:16] <Tom_itx> what's goin on with the BP?
[17:40:35] <JT-Shop> won't boot up
[17:45:32] <XXCoder> MrSunshine_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n60lHUD8US8 looks very much like lathe in cut stule
[17:45:36] <XXCoder> style
[17:45:56] <XXCoder> only no roation of course
[17:46:46] <MrSunshine_> yeah uses the same style tooling
[17:46:59] <MrSunshine_> old timey milling machines so to say
[17:47:16] <XXCoder> yeah i wonder why its not used anymore nowdays
[17:47:27] <XXCoder> I can forsee usefulness if it can be cnc-ized
[17:47:32] <XXCoder> interior sharp corners for one
[17:47:44] <MrSunshine_> cause vertical milling machines are far more effective
[17:47:51] <XXCoder> for most stuff yeah
[17:47:57] <MrSunshine_> and we got broatches for keyways etc
[17:48:08] <XXCoder> keyways cant be used in cnc
[17:48:14] <XXCoder> broaches that is
[17:48:27] <enleth> reading some guy's DIY CO2 laser guide. one of the steps he performed: find a street clown who fills balloons with helium to obtain helium for the lasing gas mix
[17:48:49] <enleth> this may be one of the best examples of necessay yak shaving I've ever heard about
[17:48:57] <XXCoder> enleth: theres a cheap way to buy helium boyyle
[17:49:03] <XXCoder> so yea
[17:49:08] <jdh> never seen a clown filling helium balloons
[17:49:33] <jdh> the diy co2 lasers I've read about use nitrogen
[17:49:54] <enleth> jdh: helium is an optional additive to the usual CO2/N mix
[17:49:56] <XXCoder> MrSunshine_: I wonder if it is possible to weakly use shaper style tools with strong enough Z axis
[17:50:02] <XXCoder> just go up and down
[17:50:14] <XXCoder> though stress might screw with z positioning
[17:50:38] <jdh> I have about 20,000 liters of Helium in the garage
[17:50:42] <MrSunshine_> sure i guess
[17:50:42] <MrSunshine_> i use my lathe as a shaper from time to time
[17:50:42] <MrSunshine_> to make keyways and stuff
[17:50:57] <jdh> but, I'm not a street clown
[17:51:11] <XXCoder> BOMB!!!
[17:51:13] <XXCoder> ;)
[17:53:56] <DaViruz> MrSunshine_: i've done that a few times, i find it to be a real pain in the ass :)
[17:54:13] <DaViruz> having to make hundreds of passes for a tiny keyway
[17:55:14] <MrSunshine_> yeap
[17:55:14] <MrSunshine_> but it works =)
[17:55:14] <MrSunshine_> made two T5 wheels with like 24 coggs for the router that way also =)
[17:55:21] <MrSunshine_> T5 profile that is
[17:55:38] <DaViruz> that takes some commitment
[17:55:49] <DaViruz> not steel though i hope?
[17:55:52] <MrSunshine_> or to little money to buy it :P
[17:55:56] <MrSunshine_> alu
[17:56:11] <XXCoder> oops caps
[17:56:24] <MrSunshine_> XXCoder: hehe =)
[17:56:30] <MrSunshine_> low on money is the mother of all invention
[17:56:35] <XXCoder> indeed
[17:56:47] <XXCoder> though it isnt sole reason
[17:56:56] <XXCoder> sometimes its fame, sometimes its to help lot people
[17:57:04] <MrSunshine_> use scrap, build something usefull to make money =)
[17:58:09] <DaViruz> i find that lazyness is the mother of all invention
[17:58:21] <MrSunshine_> that is also true =)
[17:58:31] <DaViruz> work smarter, not harder!
[17:58:49] <MrSunshine_> mm
[17:58:51] <XXCoder> indeed
[18:02:21] <pink_vampire> another fail
[18:02:45] <andypugh> Experience is what you get when you don’t get what you wanted.
[18:02:57] <pink_vampire> I have to find better way to cut the part from the stock.
[18:03:34] <pink_vampire> andypugh: it's true, and very important
[18:03:36] <andypugh> How was the Fail manifested? (I just got here)
[18:04:45] <pink_vampire> this is the part http://i.imgur.com/QHHaPCr.png
[18:04:57] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: archivist suggests dont cut part off rod till its mostly complete
[18:05:14] <pink_vampire> this is how it done http://i.imgur.com/HJTGW2L.png
[18:05:20] <XXCoder> easier to hold it for critical stages like holes on sides
[18:05:25] <andypugh> It’s very tiiny, isn’t it?
[18:05:40] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: but I finished with is. so I have to cut it from the stock.
[18:05:59] <pink_vampire> andypugh: yes it's very small.
[18:05:59] <XXCoder> so issue is cutting it off stock?
[18:06:00] <jdh> what does it do?
[18:06:56] <pink_vampire> is very special nut
[18:06:58] <andypugh> I would finish by holding it in a very small 3-jaw chuck on the mill table, and facing it off.
[18:07:15] <XXCoder> thats good idea. far more secure on 3 jaw.
[18:07:33] <andypugh> I think I might drill the holes in the sides first, before milling the profile.
[18:07:40] <pink_vampire> i did the same on the vise and it crack the part.
[18:08:32] <andypugh> I wouldn’t be able to see such a small part properly to make it :-)
[18:09:00] <andypugh> A friend who makes tiny things has USB microscopes and monitors set up.
[18:09:06] <pink_vampire> I'm using magnifier and tweezers
[18:09:12] <jdh> thread it on a stud and chuck it in the lathe and face it
[18:09:34] <pink_vampire> jdh: I need a lathe first..
[18:10:05] <andypugh> (I have linked this before, but wow! http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/img/Conrods/480x360/F1-2000-conrod-S.jpg )
[18:10:40] <jdh> pink_vampire: http://tinyurl.com/zfs4wbh
[18:10:43] <DaViruz> wow indeed
[18:10:51] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Do you have a dividing head?
[18:10:55] <DaViruz> more impressive then a real one
[18:10:59] <DaViruz> than?
[18:11:02] <andypugh> DaViruz: Actually titanium, too.
[18:11:06] <DaViruz> i can never keep them apart
[18:11:29] <pink_vampire> jdh: that a cute lathe!
[18:11:38] <jdh> found it on craigslist
[18:12:08] <andypugh> The “Manson” is even cuter
[18:12:43] <pink_vampire> andypugh: you made those micro parts??
[18:13:32] <DaViruz> on another note, injectors for gasoline direct injection are a pain in the ass
[18:13:41] <andypugh> pink_vampire: No, someone else I know did them.
[18:14:14] <DaViruz> these particular ones require you to have a set of 5 different tools just to change the seal on them
[18:14:20] <andypugh> DaViruz: Luckily his engine is indirect injection, so the injectors were “easy”. (I have seen them, they work)
[18:14:52] <andypugh> DaViruz: http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/index.php?f=fuel_injectors
[18:16:18] <DaViruz> i'm quite impressed byu the fuel rail as well
[18:16:24] <MrSunshine_> mount it in a lathe and face the back of? =)
[18:16:26] <MrSunshine_> pink_vampire:
[18:17:18] <pink_vampire> very impressive parts
[18:32:27] <andypugh> MrSunshine_: She has no lathe. But a small 3-jaw lathe chuck is probably the way to hold the part. (and the starting rod).
[18:32:49] <andypugh> Also, the three-jaws of the chuck could be used to index for the 3 holes.
[18:33:09] <MrSunshine_> mm
[18:34:51] <XXCoder> wow quite small jaw
[18:35:10] <XXCoder> andypugh: can always just buy 3 jaw dont need a lathe
[18:35:21] <XXCoder> can clamp it on mill table
[18:35:31] <XXCoder> easier to hold some round or odd shaped parts
[18:35:37] <andypugh> That was my proposal. A 3-jaw on the mill is great for round parts.
[18:35:55] <XXCoder> s/small jaws/small parts'
[18:36:02] <andypugh> You can probe a tube first, then know that the origin is in the middle of the work too.
[18:36:11] <XXCoder> indeed.
[18:40:01] <andypugh> one of my mill macros puts polygons of arbitrary size and number of sides on the and of a bar held in a 3-jaw like that.
[18:40:37] <FloppyDisk> Dumb Question - do you mount the 3 jaw chuck into the t-slots of the table? I'm thinking a 'lone' lathe 3 jaw chuck in my head??
[18:40:56] <FloppyDisk> Not sure how I'd mount it? good idea, want to use it in the future, I think.
[18:41:06] <XXCoder> FloppyDisk: T nuts and double end screws
[18:41:09] <XXCoder> so on
[18:41:12] <XXCoder> not very complex
[18:41:32] <gregcnc> I just crush the chuck in my vise, lgihtly
[18:42:07] <FloppyDisk> I would prefer not to crush it in my vice. I've seen collet holders that have holes and bolt to the table/t-slots.
[18:42:09] <yasnak> I'd pull it down using T-Slots. You could crush but...nah
[18:42:49] <FloppyDisk> I'm not very good w/ lathe parts, but a 3 jaw chuck for a 9x20 has a threaded mounting hole. Ahhh... I need a plate to screw it to?
[18:42:57] <gregcnc> but I have a vertical 5C chuck always on the table for smaller parts. I just need to find a 5c shank for it or get another with one
[18:43:08] <JT-Shop> found a mb with a pci slot that boots up so it is not the power supply or the hd
[18:43:12] <FloppyDisk> Those vertical 4c chcucks are nice..
[18:43:34] <FloppyDisk> JT-Shop - maybe it's Mint. J/K!
[18:43:51] <JT-Shop> and it has a com port, I'm in business
[18:43:54] <XXCoder> you dont have to actyually can just clamp it on top down or whatever
[18:44:03] <XXCoder> thats good for holding round parts
[18:44:06] <JT-Shop> now to find a case that it fits in
[18:44:34] <FloppyDisk> XXCoder - ahhh, Yes. That will work. Like I said, have the chuck in my head, but not that familiar. That would work.
[18:45:05] <XXCoder> if chuck is a small one, can use 2 V blocks and vice
[18:45:22] <XXCoder> though not too sure how much force would damage its precision if you care about that
[18:45:28] <yasnak> No
[18:45:38] <yasnak> If its a company chuck...don't do that
[18:45:55] <FloppyDisk> Be back in a few - need to reboot...
[18:45:56] <JT-Shop> now to find a com port with all 10 pins on the plug...
[18:45:58] <gregcnc> you can get 3" china chucks for 70usd
[18:45:59] <yasnak> Pull down just like when its in lathe.
[18:46:05] <yasnak> or that
[18:46:23] <yasnak> I was going to say...just make a subplate and mount the chuck using trhe same screw holes as you would on the lathe.
[18:46:24] <XXCoder> place I work at never use chucks used for table mount on actual lathes
[18:46:42] <yasnak> Then hold the sub plate to the machine bed. Done.
[18:46:53] <gregcnc> mill chucks are not intended to be spun
[18:47:02] <XXCoder> that is better if you cant afford chuck just for mill uses
[18:47:09] <XXCoder> gregcnc: indeed
[18:47:52] <XXCoder> also how tall is that 3" chucks?
[18:48:00] <XXCoder> might find one useful for holding some parts
[18:48:08] <XXCoder> but height is limited
[18:49:03] <gregcnc> my bison 80mm is ~57mm tall
[18:49:53] <XXCoder> 2 1/2 inch tall. barely doable if I dont need that much height on part itself.
[18:50:17] <XXCoder> 2.25 actually
[18:56:16] <pink_vampire> http://www.grizzly.com/products/4-x-6-Micro-Metal-Lathe/G0745
[18:57:09] <XXCoder> 350
[18:57:13] <XXCoder> not very expensive
[19:00:38] <JT-Shop> or find a whole computer and it's a p4
[19:00:48] <JT-Shop> had ubuntu 12
[19:31:48] <andypugh> FloppyDisk: I had an old lathe chuck with no backplate, so I drilled a couple of holes through it to take T-nuts. But it is more normal to bolt the chuck to a flat plate bigger than the chuck, then clamp down the plate.
[19:45:53] <JT-Shop> one more try at installing 10.04 on the dell then I'm changing hard drives
[19:48:43] <Tom_itx> hdd givin you fits?
[19:53:18] <JT-Shop> no, the hdd seems to be ok, the mb is a D525 maybe it just died like the last ones
[19:56:04] <JT-Shop> got 10.04 installed on the dell and latency looks good
[19:56:27] <JT-Shop> just need to copy the BP config and I'm up and running I think
[19:56:35] <JT-Shop> tomorrow
[20:24:31] <pink_vampire> on face milling what is easier on the cutting tool, climb or conventional?
[20:25:48] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[20:26:14] <XXCoder> facemill is quite different
[20:26:26] <XXCoder> youre using actual facemill or just one of em?
[20:35:01] <pink_vampire> 1/8" 4f end mill
[20:35:07] <pink_vampire> 0.1mm pass
[20:37:19] <XXCoder> cool
[20:37:32] <XXCoder> use em the usual way should be fine
[20:37:59] <XXCoder> maybe extra slow depending on how its held?
[20:43:56] <pink_vampire> one end mill die
[20:44:10] <archivist> make on the end of a rod, last cut, slitting saw
[20:44:10] <XXCoder> broke?
[20:44:36] <pink_vampire> I want to set the 0 for the Z axis but I was to close to the material
[20:44:42] <pink_vampire> snap!
[20:44:51] <evil_ren> ?
[20:44:57] <evil_ren> dont do that
[20:45:11] <gregcnc> end mills are ivel kill them all
[20:45:38] <XXCoder> oops that happened to me before, with $300 tool lol
[20:45:48] <XXCoder> in least your em is vastly cheaper
[20:45:54] <gregcnc> I killed a thread mill doing somthing like that once. $60
[20:46:10] <pink_vampire> happened to me with made in usa 7$ end mill :)
[20:46:31] <XXCoder> gregcnc: yeah I use 123 block and slide test but that time I forgot to move 123 block out before lowering. apparenbtly I arrived zero heh
[20:46:32] <gregcnc> any luck with that hardened rod?
[20:46:53] <gregcnc> ohhh oops.
[20:47:41] <gregcnc> I was doing somethign dumb and had the thread mill in a hole then jogged
[20:47:58] <XXCoder> jog while in part tsk tsk heh
[20:48:38] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: carbide cut it very nice
[20:48:46] <gregcnc> I think I hit X instead of Z
[20:48:58] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: http://i.imgur.com/HJTGW2L.png
[20:48:59] <XXCoder> ow
[20:49:31] <gregcnc> was it through hard?
[20:49:35] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: What's that far?
[20:49:50] <malcom2073> for*
[20:49:52] <pink_vampire> nut
[20:49:52] <malcom2073> Pretty tiny
[20:49:57] <pink_vampire> know.
[20:50:07] <malcom2073> Why the funky shape?
[20:50:28] <gregcnc> to expensive to be just a nut
[20:50:42] <pink_vampire> It has 3 holes on the sides
[20:50:43] <gregcnc> hardware store has those
[20:50:51] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/QHHaPCr.png
[20:50:57] <pink_vampire> this is the 3d model
[20:51:32] <XXCoder> I have yet to figure what it is. maybe it IS nail decoation heh
[20:51:35] <gregcnc> what's the thread
[20:51:41] <archivist> making a probe spider
[20:52:04] <XXCoder> so it holds umm probe pins?
[20:52:24] <pink_vampire> archivist: good eye!
[20:52:25] <archivist> three pins and the stylus
[20:53:11] <pink_vampire> but for a probe I can use much bigger part
[20:53:22] <gregcnc> someone was asking about the small Haimer 3D Taster, I'd like one of those
[20:53:45] <archivist> the one in a TP2 probe has a 2mm thread in the middle
[20:55:07] <XXCoder> Just downloaded star castle for Atari. it was planned but never was made.. till one developer decided to do it few years ago
[20:55:25] <XXCoder> and it includes video on milling atari carditage heh
[20:55:35] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/698159145/atari-2600-star-castle/posts/1424356
[20:59:04] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Renishaw-TP2-CMM-Touch-Probe-Fully-Tested-and-Meets-Spec-with-90-Day-Warranty-/222063915374
[20:59:32] <gregcnc> was that router a 4060 or 6040 and did it cut the pcb too?
[20:59:52] <XXCoder> gregcnc: was that to me?
[21:00:01] <gregcnc> no
[21:00:06] <gregcnc> lol
[21:00:52] <gregcnc> it's movie time
[21:00:56] <pink_vampire> Current list price for this probe is $3640.00.
[21:01:01] <XXCoder> crazy
[21:01:04] <XXCoder> I'd not go for it
[21:01:08] <pink_vampire> like my whole machine
[21:01:14] <XXCoder> even if I have large mill cnc machine
[21:01:24] <XXCoder> $3,600 equals to 3 to 4 of my machine.
[21:02:05] <malcom2073> I've been eying up one of those $90 touch probes
[21:02:12] <malcom2073> Either that, or one of the xyz dial indicators
[21:02:13] <XXCoder> malcom2073: wireless?
[21:02:18] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Don't believe so
[21:02:27] <XXCoder> yea thats what really drives price up
[21:02:34] <XXCoder> xyz dial indictor?
[21:02:43] <malcom2073> XXCoder: the kind NYC CNC has on his tormach
[21:02:48] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Cnc-Z-Axis-Router-Mill-Touch-Plate-Mach3-Tool-Setting-Probe-Milling-DIY-Hot-/231855174881?hash=item35fba534e1:g:D2IAAOSwuAVWzlOm
[21:02:51] <XXCoder> any site explaining it?
[21:02:58] <andypugh> gregcnc: Did you read the thing on that mini-conrod page where he talks about putting ght M2 thread-mill down the hold for the first time. $250 thread-mill. 1.6 mm shank…
[21:03:02] <pink_vampire> how is that plate?
[21:03:05] <XXCoder> now that is something I can use
[21:03:16] <XXCoder> looks very strightforward
[21:03:27] <malcom2073> XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/131655561424?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[21:03:49] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: no no no.
[21:03:49] <XXCoder> that is.. different
[21:04:11] <XXCoder> I usually just use edge finders or dial test indictor if xy hole type
[21:04:29] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3D-Digitizing-Probe-Tip-with-1-8-ball-tip-tip-only-not-the-complete-probe-/331615987974?hash=item4d35da6906:m:mDptoCvMha-574SDLdkv5Gg
[21:04:32] <pink_vampire> WTF ^^
[21:04:45] <XXCoder> ball tip only
[21:05:04] <pink_vampire> look at the probe!!
[21:05:05] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3D-Digitizing-Probe-for-Mach3-Stepper-Motor-routers-Lowest-Cost-Qualityprobe/330685665791?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35934%26meid%3D8f39ef81b62648e9997029e6ac9e9770%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D331615987974
[21:05:11] <pink_vampire> WTF!!!!^^
[21:05:17] <malcom2073> lowest cost indeed
[21:05:25] <malcom2073> For that price I'd make my own heh
[21:05:31] <XXCoder> malcom2073: so how it works is deflection in case of x or y, and push in for Z>
[21:05:52] <bobo_> CaptHindsight: seems Dave at eevblog has solved his lack of space problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiEMSkVTHmQ also
[21:05:54] <XXCoder> make my own heh
[21:05:58] <XXCoder> just use NO switch
[21:05:58] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Looked that way
[21:06:25] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: N.C switch
[21:06:50] <XXCoder> either would work probably
[21:06:54] <pink_vampire> no!!
[21:06:57] <XXCoder> just trigger on edge change
[21:07:08] <pink_vampire> you have to make kinematic switch
[21:07:28] <pink_vampire> 6 balls + 3 rods
[21:07:39] <XXCoder> oh I was thinking for very simple Z probe
[21:07:49] <XXCoder> not fancy x, y, z probe
[21:08:38] <archivist> that plastic probe is revolting
[21:08:57] <XXCoder> malcom2073: did you ever see that awesome program that adjusts gcode to engrave any curved surface?
[21:08:57] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about getting this one
[21:08:58] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Mill-Touch-Probe-Digitizing-1-4-adj-shank-for-Mach3-LinuxCNC-Router-shark-/141957245525?hash=item210d4faa55:g:mjEAAOSwosFUWrXz
[21:09:10] <malcom2073> XXCoder: nope
[21:09:17] <XXCoder> a sec
[21:09:28] <XXCoder> http://www.scorchworks.com/Blog/auto-probing-with-g-code-ripper/
[21:09:31] <pink_vampire> or that one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-CNC-Digitizing-Touch-Probe-Toolsetter-3-8-adj-for-Mach3-Sherline-Taig/141957246419?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D35934%26meid%3Dc547620564dc45d9a744717043b4a8e7%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D141957245525
[21:09:42] <XXCoder> check out mouse. awesome! that is why I want a basic Z probe
[21:10:48] <archivist> XXCoder, get a normal probe, less breakable
[21:10:59] <XXCoder> maybe just NC button, with button modified into pointy. cost me nearly nothing
[21:11:57] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I will send you my probe free after I will have better one
[21:12:21] <XXCoder> nah pink your probe is likely to be far too long for my machine
[21:12:41] <XXCoder> height limit is 3 inches, subtract whatever stock height is
[21:13:08] <XXCoder> thanks though
[21:15:47] <XXCoder> heh https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1393731
[21:15:52] <XXCoder> if you has a 3d printer...
[21:16:07] <XXCoder> that looks to be real cheap (assuming already own printer)
[21:16:24] <XXCoder> ah
[21:16:33] <XXCoder> it uses magnets so its NO switch basically
[21:17:21] <bobo_> CaptHindsight: looking at -- http://www.tourbuzz.net/public/vtour/display/147151?a=1 -- it would seem there are other places to temp people wanting to leave the U.S. before the elections
[21:19:19] <archivist> XXCoder, read it again, the magnet replace the spring
[21:19:45] <XXCoder> yeah it stays seperate unless touch pushes it together
[21:19:57] <XXCoder> unless I misread lemme read again
[21:20:17] <archivist> still has wires for the contact
[21:20:22] <XXCoder> I know
[21:20:41] <XXCoder> magnets forced together and wired would signal contact
[21:22:16] <XXCoder> ah found more pics
[21:22:59] <XXCoder> so interior has 2 pins and what looks like balls so it normally stays connected via magnets
[21:23:02] <XXCoder> NC that is
[21:23:10] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: the probe from thingiverse just look like JUNK
[21:23:31] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: its not fancy I agree but if has 3ed printer its vastly cheaper
[21:23:40] <XXCoder> I dont so mine will be even cruder lol
[21:24:26] <pink_vampire> bobo_: now the guy from evv blog got the place.
[21:25:06] <pink_vampire> did you ever use your machine?
[21:25:10] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[21:25:22] <XXCoder> yeah a little but no chips yet
[21:25:27] <XXCoder> I'm using today to plan one
[21:25:33] <malcom2073> A good first project would be to make a probe
[21:25:43] <XXCoder> malcom2073: did you check out link I pasted for you?
[21:26:08] <malcom2073> XXCoder: yeah
[21:26:15] <XXCoder> pretty nifty eh
[21:26:51] <malcom2073> Yeah interesting approach
[21:27:04] <pink_vampire> I want a cmm
[21:27:15] <pink_vampire> or 3d scanner
[21:27:39] <pink_vampire> 3d scanner will be much better for soft material
[21:27:46] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: My dad made a 3d scanner with a camera, turntable, and some software
[21:28:49] <XXCoder> one guy made a scanner using laser and camera
[21:28:58] <XXCoder> yet another used milk and camera
[21:29:01] <XXCoder> yes milk
[21:29:21] <pink_vampire> I need to scan large stuff
[21:29:42] <jdh> for your transporter?
[21:31:07] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Then get a camera and a large turntable
[21:31:11] <malcom2073> the software doesn't care the size
[21:31:11] <XXCoder> cant find it, but basically guy used to scan toys using container, camera and milk
[21:31:20] <XXCoder> fill milk up a little, take pics, repeat
[21:31:37] <XXCoder> it figures out shapes near milk bordery
[21:31:44] <XXCoder> so it calculates 3d model
[21:32:38] <malcom2073> 10/10: Tried to scan an oreo cookie, turned out delicious
[21:32:53] <XXCoder> lol
[21:33:00] <bobo_> i think the "David" is/was a DIY 3D scanner
[21:33:22] <malcom2073> I thought David was a pay-for thing
[21:33:46] <bobo_> may be now
[21:33:58] <malcom2073> Yeah, the image processing approach is way better than the laser scanner, but requires significant processing power
[21:34:53] <XXCoder> found it!
[21:35:16] <pink_vampire> I need to scan something about 5-6 feet tall
[21:35:28] <XXCoder> actually that is more advanced than one I read, may be same guy but more experenced
[21:35:33] <XXCoder> http://www.instructables.com/id/GotMesh-the-Most-Cheap-and-Simplistic-3D-Scanner/
[21:35:46] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: I'll ask my dad what he uses. Like I said, you need a lot of processing power, but it's the highest quality and you can scan something of almost any size
[21:36:04] <XXCoder> 5-6 feet tall. human?
[21:36:32] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: mmm yes :)
[21:36:40] <XXCoder> lol ok
[21:37:42] <XXCoder> instructable is such a wonderful site with noscrpt
[21:37:42] <bobo_> David 3D scanner https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjO0pj0ypTMAhXH2yYKHYH0BpgQFghrMAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDavid_Laserscanner&usg=AFQjCNFEhpz-gUszEUC5qtveDzdwZ6T-9g
[21:37:44] <XXCoder> nopscript
[21:38:03] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/ORXsnfC.png
[21:38:46] <XXCoder> I cant type it. :P NoScript
[21:38:47] <XXCoder> finally
[21:39:14] <XXCoder> nice
[21:40:04] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: don't! say finally!!
[21:40:14] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: it was to myself
[21:40:20] <XXCoder> I finally typed that word correctly
[21:40:20] <pink_vampire> now I need to part it
[21:41:02] <pink_vampire> maybe with a slitting saw?
[21:42:21] <malcom2073> Or a lathe :P
[21:42:23] <XXCoder> theres another free one using xbox 3d thing
[21:42:31] <XXCoder> forgot what its called
[21:42:38] <malcom2073> Kinect
[21:42:42] <XXCoder> yea
[21:42:43] <malcom2073> the resolution on that is fairly poor though
[21:43:03] <XXCoder> yeah not very good from what I see
[21:43:21] <XXCoder> though did you know there is bootleg 3d scans of historial objects?
[21:43:25] <XXCoder> they used kinectg
[21:43:45] <malcom2073> Like I said, pictures around the object and image processing, get damn good pictures
[21:44:16] <malcom2073> Structure From Motion
[21:44:17] <malcom2073> that's what it's called
[21:44:56] <pink_vampire> https://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=199
[21:45:06] <pink_vampire> I have this one
[21:45:16] <pink_vampire> it can help me?
[21:46:41] <XXCoder> huh "1.38*0.79inch/3.5*2cm (D*H)"
[21:46:50] <XXCoder> thats supposed to be size but it is very unclear
[21:47:12] <XXCoder> I think ita 1.38 inches diameter and .79" height
[21:47:13] <pink_vampire> my stock diameter is 1/4"
[21:47:40] <pink_vampire> no it's 0.79" diameter
[21:47:43] <XXCoder> talking about http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Cnc-Z-Axis-Router-Mill-Touch-Plate-Mach3-Tool-Setting-Probe-Milling-DIY-Hot-/231855174881?hash=item35fba534e1:g:D2IAAOSwuAVWzlOm
[21:47:59] <pink_vampire> ok..
[21:48:21] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I've heard they're not very repeatable, the cheap ones
[21:48:42] <XXCoder> whats error range
[21:49:19] <malcom2073> Won't find that in the spec heh
[21:49:26] <malcom2073> But for that price, might be worth getting one and trying
[21:49:30] <XXCoder> +- 5" then ;)
[21:49:49] <malcom2073> Oh come on, probably 0.5"
[21:49:52] <andypugh> pink_vampire: I don’t think that is what you want.
[21:50:03] <andypugh> How many of these are you making?
[21:50:06] <malcom2073> Due to the manual measurement and different measurement methods, please allow 2-3cm deviation.
[21:50:08] <malcom2073> HEh
[21:50:13] <malcom2073> So +/- 2-3cm
[21:50:15] <XXCoder> you sure its not 0.5'?
[21:50:16] <pink_vampire> I need just one
[21:51:01] <XXCoder> malcom2073: 2 to 3 cm jeez
[21:51:04] <malcom2073> So is that thing on a rubber damper?
[21:51:04] <XXCoder> thats huge error
[21:51:09] <malcom2073> dampener
[21:51:18] <malcom2073> I don't think that's the error, I think that's the size measurement error
[21:51:18] <andypugh> In that case, drill a hole in a block of metal, drill and tap it for a screw, then put your thing in the hoile, and rub it on a sheet of abrasive paper.
[21:51:21] <malcom2073> when they measured the case :P
[21:51:46] <andypugh> Keep screwing the screw down until the part is the right thickness.
[21:52:26] <XXCoder> honestly all it needs is slowly lower z till contact is made
[21:52:42] <malcom2073> Right, I think the problem is that when it touches, it can move slightly
[21:52:42] <andypugh> That’s how I used to make the blanks for TEM specimens. (then they went on the dimple grinder to take out anouther 10 microns, then the ion mill for the next 100 nm
[21:52:45] <malcom2073> and doesn't always return to the same point
[21:53:22] <XXCoder> malcom2073: not if its rigid setr
[21:53:29] <XXCoder> meaning no springs so on
[21:53:33] <XXCoder> just solid wired block
[21:53:38] <malcom2073> XXCoder: But if it's rigid, you'd have to be moving *Really* slow so as to not dent it with your tool
[21:53:43] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Or, set the thing in epoxy, machine it, burn off the epoxy.
[21:53:44] <XXCoder> though that gives trouble with tool damage
[21:53:57] <malcom2073> Which is why I thought most of them were spring loaded
[21:54:19] <XXCoder> malcom2073: maybe really soft metal
[21:54:22] <andypugh> When they make turbine blades for jet engines they cast them into an alloy to grip them, they are such a funny shape.
[21:54:22] <XXCoder> like lead
[21:54:25] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Soft metal would be bad
[21:54:29] <malcom2073> would get inaccurate as you dent it
[21:54:32] <pink_vampire> it's hard as rock
[21:54:34] <malcom2073> better would be metal on top of a rubber stopper
[21:54:53] <XXCoder> rigid rubber maybe
[21:54:59] <malcom2073> Right have to be
[21:55:03] <malcom2073> maybe cheap rubber == inaccuracies?
[21:55:03] <XXCoder> it would deform a little preventing tool damage
[21:55:18] <XXCoder> rubber has to be "preloaded" too
[21:55:23] <XXCoder> so it returns to same place
[21:55:29] <malcom2073> Like a spring yeah
[21:55:34] <pink_vampire> because it hard it brittle
[21:56:09] <XXCoder> can be very thin actually
[21:56:23] <malcom2073> Would onyl have to move so far as your mill takes to stop heh
[21:56:28] <XXCoder> 5 mm of fairly rigid rubber then another few mm of meta;
[21:57:02] <malcom2073> I've thought about making one with rubber, be better than a spring
[21:57:22] <XXCoder> it can be anything really
[21:57:36] <XXCoder> as long as it returns to top (has to be preloaded at all time)
[21:57:42] <andypugh> pink_vampire: This is tiny-parts-man making a tiny part. The last process is what you sort-of want.
[21:58:15] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOPW4-WRRMs
[21:59:30] <andypugh> Worth noting that he makes tiny parts on a big machine.
[22:00:29] <malcom2073> CNC makes making tiny things on big machines significantly easier
[22:00:38] <gregcnc> I don't think parts that size are at all unusual for that machine
[22:01:49] <gregcnc> those hsk flanges are expensive, but you can find them on ebay sometimes
[22:02:23] <malcom2073> I like that machine
[22:02:32] <andypugh> He has a Cowells tiny-lathe too. He took some convincing that the Hardinge could do the job better. But with the linear guides it works to microns.
[22:03:07] <andypugh> Well, maybe half-dozens of microns.
[22:03:32] <andypugh> I believe he is very happy with it.
[22:03:47] <pink_vampire> andypugh: he use very impressive lathe, I have only the G0704
[22:03:50] <andypugh> I hope I will be as happy with my Holbrook :-)
[22:04:04] <malcom2073> Someday i'll have a nice cnc lathe to go with my mill heh
[22:04:11] <andypugh> pink_vampire: I think his budget is higher than yours.
[22:04:27] <pink_vampire> :(
[22:04:52] <andypugh> This is the workshop he built to put his lathe in…. https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Roj?authkey=Gv1sRgCJbSsrD-kfr3Hg#5951771392528865250
[22:05:33] <malcom2073> Very clean
[22:05:34] <malcom2073> too lean
[22:05:36] <malcom2073> clean*
[22:05:52] <andypugh> It was freshly-built at the time.
[22:06:27] <andypugh> My point is that he has a larger-than usual budget for his hobby
[22:06:57] <malcom2073> Someday I'll win the lottery.
[22:07:07] <pink_vampire> andypugh: it's yours?
[22:07:35] <andypugh> No, I am much less wealthy than him
[22:07:55] <pink_vampire> what do you have?
[22:08:23] <XXCoder> heh I'd love to win a big lotter
[22:09:20] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Latest pic of my current project: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6273934017651515538 with the cheap chinese thing in the background.
[22:09:40] <malcom2073> andypugh: You got something cast for that yeah?
[22:09:49] <andypugh> I moved it to the other wall today, but no photos yet
[22:09:56] <malcom2073> Your monitor is oddly backwards heh
[22:10:33] <andypugh> Yes, I had a bunch of castings made: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6230479127730875154
[22:10:39] <pink_vampire> andypugh: very nice shop
[22:10:52] <malcom2073> Heh nice
[22:11:04] <XXCoder> andypugh: why is lathe front towards wall?
[22:11:10] <XXCoder> fixinf stuff there?
[22:11:18] <pink_vampire> cast iron?
[22:11:39] <andypugh> Yes, cast iron.
[22:11:55] <pink_vampire> very impressive!!
[22:12:09] <andypugh> XXCoder: Because I was painting the back :-) (also working on the drive train).
[22:12:16] <XXCoder> cool
[22:12:27] <XXCoder> nice indeed
[22:12:33] <pink_vampire> andypugh: I can order a part from your shop?
[22:12:53] <pink_vampire> I need nice solid base + Z axis for my machine :)
[22:13:08] <malcom2073> Heh, shipping would be hell
[22:13:18] <andypugh> XXCoder: Yes, fixing the Variator: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/holbrook6.html
[22:13:57] <malcom2073> That's a slick transmission
[22:14:04] <XXCoder> 200kg
[22:14:06] <XXCoder> heavy.
[22:14:15] <andypugh> pink_vampire: My workshop is a single garage. It contains 2 lathes, a mill, a motorcycle, a bicycle and a workbench. It’s tight.
[22:15:17] <pink_vampire> my shope is G0704 , no lathe
[22:15:57] <pink_vampire> shop*
[22:16:05] <andypugh> I thought I would get the X axis moving today, but it turned out that the used motorcycle spares I am using were mis-matched. Yamaha changed the cam-chain width between 2002 and 2004.
[22:17:18] <andypugh> pink_vampire: You can use a mill as a lathe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rwoD2vZUl0 This is using the horizontal spindle on my mill, but you can use a vertical too
[22:17:52] <XXCoder> oh yeah forgot that little trick
[22:19:35] <malcom2073> Yeah I'm not able to visualize how that variator
[22:19:37] <malcom2073> works
[22:20:45] <pink_vampire> I need EDM
[22:21:32] <pink_vampire> I have here 12V 30A power supply
[22:21:39] <pink_vampire> DC
[22:21:49] <pink_vampire> 1" H rail
[22:21:57] <pink_vampire> dc motor.
[22:22:16] <pink_vampire> and some how I want to make sink edm..
[22:23:02] <andypugh> malcom2073: It is like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NuVinci_Continuously_Variable_Transmission but the NuVinci seem to have turned it inside out to avoid patents
[22:23:30] <malcom2073> andypugh: Ohhhh
[22:23:32] <malcom2073> interesting
[22:27:29] <pink_vampire> https://youtu.be/C_3d6GntKbk?t=49 - electric tape in her hair
[22:32:56] <XXCoder> this guys a idiot. https://youtu.be/cPcuFHIVUcI
[22:33:14] <XXCoder> and yes he is deaf
[22:34:08] <andypugh> Was he deafened by a bizarre lave accident?
[22:34:23] <XXCoder> maybe? lol
[22:34:47] <XXCoder> this just goes to show that deaf people is as varied
[22:35:03] <XXCoder> my high school classmate shot his wife and kid, then himself
[22:35:33] <andypugh> Sucessfully?
[22:35:42] <XXCoder> well yes
[22:35:48] <andypugh> :-(
[22:35:51] <XXCoder> theyre all dead
[22:37:19] <XXCoder> I have met people who think all deaf is this same person, slightly retarded
[22:37:44] <XXCoder> and no matter how long been working on job, need explict instructions because deaf is dumb
[22:38:03] <andypugh> Even dumb isn’t always dumb
[22:38:59] <XXCoder> have you heard of confirmation bias?
[22:39:14] <andypugh> As in, it’s a bit unfair that the same word means “stupid” and “unable to speak”
[22:39:34] <XXCoder> dumb meaning mute havent been really in strong usage for long while now
[22:44:30] <andypugh> XXCoder: Have you always been deaf?
[22:44:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:44:45] <XXCoder> nerves just didnt connect
[22:46:25] <andypugh> Does that possibly explain why you typed “a idiot” rather than “an idiot”. Though that is more about speaking than listening.
[22:46:43] <pink_vampire> amazing stupidity
[22:46:51] <XXCoder> well yes asl dont have much grammar rules
[22:48:17] <XXCoder> andypugh: taken literally, saying "we need to go to store and buy food" would be "we need go store buy food"
[22:49:49] <XXCoder> "TO" is sometimes used to add hmm "accent" like "we need TO GO to store buy food"
[22:50:24] <andypugh> How different is BSL and ASL?
[22:50:40] <evil_ren> they sign solor with a u
[22:50:55] <andypugh> More different than US Englsh and UK English?
[22:51:09] <XXCoder> andypugh: some signs is familiar, but quite different. I mean very different.
[22:51:21] <XXCoder> fingerspell is not even remotely same
[22:51:55] <andypugh> That’s quite strange.
[22:52:01] <XXCoder> funny thing ASL itself is made from whatcould be termed "WASL" and "BASL"
[22:52:06] <XXCoder> combined together
[22:52:13] <XXCoder> white asl and black ask
[22:52:14] <XXCoder> asl
[22:52:30] <XXCoder> there was two variants because segration was still ongoing
[22:52:53] <XXCoder> white version was more rigid form than black version which is awesome flowing style
[22:52:59] <andypugh> Interesting historical artefact
[22:53:16] <XXCoder> I'd say current style is somewhat closer to "BASL"
[22:54:06] <andypugh> I find this interesting, but I will find it even more interesting at a future time when it is not 0430. I am wilting badly.
[22:54:11] <XXCoder> yeah I fairly watched a asl video thats over 100 years old
[22:54:31] <andypugh> Talk later, need sleep.
[22:54:32] <XXCoder> he was very understandable though quite strong "accent" and archic signs
[22:54:35] <XXCoder> later andypugh
[23:05:08] <XXCoder> lol
[23:05:22] <XXCoder> one of videos is some guy just playing with spider
[23:05:27] <XXCoder> real spinder on montior
[23:05:29] <XXCoder> spider
[23:05:34] <XXCoder> its attacking cursor
[23:10:04] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/9aqe7lJ.png
[23:10:15] <XXCoder> a rail
[23:10:26] <pink_vampire> I did it
[23:10:26] <XXCoder> what about it
[23:10:38] <XXCoder> you made a model of it?
[23:10:40] <pink_vampire> I did the 3d model
[23:10:42] <pink_vampire> yes
[23:10:44] <XXCoder> nice
[23:11:08] <pink_vampire> so,, this is the base for the sink edm...
[23:11:13] <pink_vampire> 1" travel
[23:12:08] <XXCoder> pretty short
[23:12:20] <pink_vampire> for sink edm???
[23:13:13] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2njSX52SQo ?
[23:13:30] <pink_vampire> yes
[23:13:43] <XXCoder> trying to figure what its doing
[23:14:03] <XXCoder> yummy Coke ;)
[23:14:42] <XXCoder> is it arcing?
[23:14:49] <XXCoder> cutting using electricity
[23:14:55] <pink_vampire> it's eroded the metal
[23:16:29] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3hEXA_q-dE
[23:18:46] <XXCoder> so youre making one?
[23:19:03] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ping
[23:19:21] <XXCoder> Jymmm: ponmg
[23:19:29] <XXCoder> hmm you may have hosts issue ;)
[23:35:37] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Illuminated http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrvial-DC-12-32V-Waterproof-Universal-Car-Charger-Vehicle-Dual-USB-Charger-2-Port-Power/32524497188.html
[23:37:21] <XXCoder> waterproof
[23:37:52] <XXCoder> isnt socket itself very much not waterproof?
[23:38:23] <XXCoder> ah thought it was a cig recharger
[23:38:30] <XXCoder> it replaces it or what?
[23:49:49] <XXCoder> I need this http://www.myfoodsniffer.com/
[23:51:00] <XXCoder> yeah not paying, its such overpriced
[23:53:57] <pink_vampire> I machined off a screw from a motor, and now I need to get new screw but I have no idea what is the size of it,
[23:54:08] <pink_vampire> any idea how to identify it?
[23:54:19] <XXCoder> bring it to lowes or something
[23:54:26] <XXCoder> they always has chart of screw sizes so on
[23:54:30] <XXCoder> so you can test fit
[23:54:53] <pink_vampire> it 2.45mm diameter
[23:55:43] <pink_vampire> maybe 0.5 pitch
[23:55:52] <pink_vampire> maybe it's m2.5
[23:56:17] <XXCoder> or maybe its one of inch ones heh
[23:58:29] <pink_vampire> no it's smallll
[23:58:51] <XXCoder> I meant bolt that uses inch units
[23:59:03] <XXCoder> wish I had bolt sizes chart with me
[23:59:20] <pink_vampire> it's from that kind of part http://www.ebay.com/itm/320889517981