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[00:06:21] <Jymmm> Carve a stone sink in 4 hours…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqBjiAJV3aQ
[00:09:05] <CaptHindsight> nothin beats hand made
[00:12:53] <Jymmm> The final results…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6yD3wYhZaE
[00:13:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, I agree =)
[00:15:35] <CaptHindsight> now a found stone in just the right shape could claim that it is a stone sink 4 billion years in the making
[00:16:11] <Jymmm> heh
[00:16:21] <Jymmm> ever see a bamboo sink?
[00:16:38] <CaptHindsight> and I only watch hipster DIY videos on Tuesdays, his beard is not hipster
[00:17:09] <Jymmm> http://www.bamboobuddy.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/bamboo-sink-1.jpg
[00:18:33] <Jymmm> golden ratio sink
http://blogfiles.naver.net/20160304_229/gjchanga_1457058938750PtCKN_JPEG/11998864_10206687955751097_8276319633914188983_n.jpg
[00:19:06] <Jymmm> same as above
http://imgur.com/WcHQsbu
[02:06:57] <ink> brb installing UPS
[02:22:57] <Deejay> moin
[02:53:04] <pink_vampire> hi
[04:44:26] <XXCoder> heys
[04:45:10] <XXCoder> Jymmm: nice. I love super renewable resources being used
[04:45:25] <XXCoder> bamboo is quite literally grass.
[07:32:40] <Encapsulation> Pretty much settled on Omio X6-2200l asking about import tax
[07:32:43] <Encapsulation> https://shop.carbide3d.com/collections/machines/products/shapeoko3?variant=11517165318
[07:32:59] <Encapsulation> tempted by shapeoko 3 though, about half the price and maybe it would do what I need
[07:33:16] <Encapsulation> I just saw a very nice piece of aluminum cut by it, I'll link it later gotta run for nowe
[07:35:48] <Encapsulation> I don't want to spend double on the Omio if the shapeoko will do my pcbs and 2-4mm thick aluminum routing and engraving
[07:36:53] <Encapsulation> going to find out about Z clearance today, travel is 3" vs 5.5" on the omio
[07:37:38] <Simonious> how sad am I going to be if I don't pay the solidworks maintenance fee when it comes up this year?
[07:38:52] <Encapsulation> not as sad as I'll be if I can't make this decision soon
[07:50:22] <gregcnc> SW told me that nothing happens, but when you do decide to update to the current year, all fees are due
[07:50:43] <Simonious> why wouldn't you just get a 'new' subscription at that point rather than pay back fees?
[07:50:50] <Simonious> there are countless resellers...
[07:50:57] <gregcnc> IDK check you contract
[07:52:24] <gregcnc> I think that was only possible after 4 years
[07:53:44] <enleth> get someone else to stand in for the contract?
[07:59:06] <Simonious> eh.. I need to take a solidworks class.. fill in my gaping knowledge holes
[08:03:27] <archivist> help files usually get me going
[08:03:57] <Simonious> true, but I'd like to actually get my certification this year and I don't know, what I don't know.
[08:04:12] <gregcnc> do you use it every day?
[08:04:32] <Simonious> not EVERY day
[08:04:53] <Simonious> it's only a part of my job..
[08:05:07] <gregcnc> do employers actually consider SWcert a thing?
[08:05:10] <archivist> only really need a cert to swap jobs
[08:05:38] <archivist> or demand more moneyz
[08:05:48] <gregcnc> last job I walked into i hadn't touched SW in 7 years and they gave me the job after 10 minutes behind a seat of 2007
[08:06:45] <Simonious> to me getting the cert tells me I've managed a baseline compentency, which I honestly don't think I'm quite at yet.
[08:09:22] <gregcnc> get one of the cert prep books and practice
[08:09:45] <Simonious> https://www.solidworks.com/sw/docs/CSWA_Academic.pdf <- this might be easier than getting one of the books (which I have).
[08:11:51] <Simonious> http://my.solidworks.com/mylearning/learningpaths/14/cswa-exam-prep-course?fromrss=1 < currently checking this out
[08:13:06] <gregcnc> seems like basic stuff, but i've never been certified
[08:13:21] * Simonious nods
[08:13:33] <Simonious> I think it *IS* basic stuff, but I have < 1 year on solidworks
[08:15:11] <JT-Shop> now the pia guy is emailing me with 20 questions about pncconf...
[08:17:38] <_methods> lol
[08:18:25] <_methods> gotta love dealing with customers
[08:18:30] <Simonious> damn.. you have to have professional to access the training
[08:19:02] <_methods> talk to your reseller before your stuff lapses
[08:19:15] <_methods> they'll usually hook you up
[08:19:38] <Simonious> yeah, I sent them an email this morning - my concern is that the office is likely to downsize us to one seat and I'll have to share here.
[08:20:22] <_methods> personally i think it's worth it to stay on maintenance
[08:20:50] <_methods> especially if you use SW every day or your company does
[08:21:11] <Simonious> I'm sure we'll keep one seat.. I use SW every week, but not every day, probably some most days.
[08:21:31] <Simonious> it'll be a pita if I have to share
[08:21:39] <jdh> isn't 1 seat good for 2 installs?
[08:21:42] <_methods> well with one seat you techincally get 2
[08:21:48] <_methods> but one is for "home" use
[08:21:54] * Simonious nods
[08:21:57] <Simonious> Yeah
[08:22:09] <archivist> or "backup" :)
[08:22:09] <Simonious> and they aren't supposed to be in use at the same time
[08:22:25] <Simonious> which I understand they have full visability into
[08:22:25] <archivist> swith off any phone home
[08:22:46] <Simonious> yeah - that's easy enough - just unplug the network cable
[08:22:55] <gregcnc> they must keep usage logs these days
[08:23:02] <_methods> they're not that draconian about it
[08:23:57] <gregcnc> it's fun when the comany you work for gets a letter from SW about pirating their software then there is a mad rush to get two seats purchased
[08:24:14] <_methods> lol
[08:24:23] <JT-Shop> I quit the maintenance thing because I'd have to purchase a new CAM to use with 2015
[08:24:58] <_methods> for a hobbyist i just can't see purchasing any of it
[08:25:03] <_methods> just way too expensive
[08:25:29] <gregcnc> tha'ts why fusion is killing it now, but wait until everyone has to buy
[08:25:41] <Simonious> _methods: well our shop is a small prototype shop.. we're not making any money, so two seats of solidworks is a big deal
[08:25:55] <_methods> Simonious: yeah i hear ya
[08:25:57] <Simonious> my renew date is coming up in a couple months and I doubt the office will go for it :/
[08:25:58] <gregcnc> but if no SW, what would you do?
[08:26:12] <_methods> it's prohibitively expensive for small companies and hobbyists
[08:26:20] <gregcnc> go back to pencil and paper?
[08:26:24] <Simonious> gregcnc: sketchup/fusion360/try to use expired SW/share one seat of SW
[08:26:41] <gregcnc> within a year or two fusino will cost the same
[08:26:51] <Simonious> it better not, it's not as good
[08:26:56] <_methods> lol
[08:27:11] <Simonious> I only use it for CAM
[08:27:19] <gregcnc> that's why they are using free licensees to develop it
[08:27:20] <archivist> etcha sketch never was as intuitive
[08:27:21] <Simonious> then again with the inclusion of CAM out of the box.. maybe it will cost as much
[08:27:39] <Simonious> archivist: what are you trying to say?
[08:27:43] <enleth> jeez, it's like when I reinstalled AutoCAD in a new VM image and they started *calling* me to make sure I have no more than 3 installs - the previous image got screwed up and I never had a chance to actively uninstall that copy to make it phone home and say it ceased to exist
[08:28:01] <enleth> that pissed me off, that wasn't a pleasant call
[08:28:06] <archivist> Simonious, that sw is rather better than autocrap
[08:28:58] <_methods> i mean i think most hobbyists could get away with just autocad and some hand written gcode or using gcode generator scripts
[08:29:16] <gregcnc> SW is expensive, but it seems that if such small percentage of the cost of business puts you under you're doing somethign wrong?
[08:29:29] <_methods> hell 90% of the cam i do at work i could do that
[08:29:49] <_methods> but i need setup sheets, tool lists, etc, etc.. that hobbyists dont' need
[08:30:06] <_methods> and mastercam generates all that stuff for me
[08:31:29] <Simonious> _methods: my reading isn't as good as your experience, but has led me to believe that mastercam is outdated and not great.
[08:31:48] <_methods> well they're all the same to me
[08:31:49] <jdh> I use 'free' draftsight and $150 cut2d for home
[08:31:53] <_methods> i don't care what cam system i use
[08:32:00] <_methods> mastercam works just fine though
[08:32:50] <_methods> i have a pirated copy of powermill i've been meaning to try out
[08:33:00] <_methods> i've never used powermill before and i keep hearing good stuff about it
[08:33:05] * MattyMatt_ got pirate copy of blender
[08:33:08] <_methods> lol
[08:34:26] <_methods> but i've used so many different cam packages over the years i really just don't care anymore
[08:34:34] <_methods> some are easier to work with than others
[08:34:43] <_methods> some.....not so much
[08:34:44] <_methods> lol
[08:34:56] <_methods> like bobcad
[08:35:10] <MattyMatt_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8GFpSCK6Jk this thing is whacko yet pretty cool
[08:35:36] <_methods> yeah like a handibot
[08:35:48] <_methods> on the fly handibot lol
[08:36:33] <MattyMatt_> they could make a pen that improves your handwriting
[08:36:44] <_methods> you've never seen my handwriting
[08:37:31] <MattyMatt_> even better, a pen that changes what you write. rent them out for exams
[08:39:16] <MattyMatt_> the UI on that router has some niceness I want to put on my lathe. canned threading without an external PC etc
[08:41:46] <MattyMatt_> a camera to measure the stock. camCAM
[08:43:02] <MattyMatt_> how about augmented really? you wear goggles and see the finished cut on the actual work, with the same squeaky noises on Clickspring vids
[08:43:18] <_methods> the forgery pen
[08:43:19] <_methods> lol
[08:43:24] <yasnak> <_methods> like bobcad
[08:43:26] <yasnak> haha
[08:43:41] <_methods> no love for the bobca
[08:43:44] <_methods> d
[08:44:09] <yasnak> just sent them a PO for their maintenance with a disclaimer saying if the product does not function as they state we're getting full refund including initial price. They agreed.
[08:44:33] <_methods> hahah
[08:44:38] <yasnak> Major glitches, boss bought it for EDM programming and ended up getting the super-duper version. At the end it was like 10k
[08:44:48] <_methods> oh jesus
[08:44:53] <yasnak> No idea why, partmaker is my baby
[08:44:59] <yasnak> delcam = love
[08:45:08] <_methods> yeah delcam isn't too bad
[08:45:29] <yasnak> Our sales rep brian dinola is a baller. Kid is super smart
[08:45:29] <_methods> don't they make powermill now?
[08:45:51] <_methods> yeah that's who makes powermill
[08:45:55] <gregcnc> both are owned by autocad
[08:46:00] <_methods> i've been meaning to try that out
[08:46:29] <_methods> ah partmaker is their cam package
[08:46:51] <yasnak> yeah, i have all of them
[08:47:21] <yasnak> tried esprit back in the day...2005. Nearly had to join their development team to get it working so I jumped ship and learned partmaker
[08:47:40] <_methods> i think haas was pushing esprit for awhile
[08:47:46] <_methods> i tried it and it seemed to work fine
[08:48:05] <_methods> but i never really put it thru the paces on surfacing or anything like that
[08:49:02] <_methods> so wtf is the diff between powermill and featurecam
[08:50:17] <yasnak> Ehhh, there really isn't much
[08:50:33] <yasnak> Two products that function basically the same but have different followers
[08:50:42] <yasnak> I think its just legacy products vs combining lol
[08:50:44] <_methods> lol i hate it when they do stuff like that
[08:50:53] <yasnak> So do their programmers :P
[08:51:01] <yasnak> But machinists are a asshole bunch :0
[08:51:05] <_methods> tru dat
[08:52:00] <yasnak> Just today I've already killed two operators and a programmer. I swear I'm not an asshole but if you don't do shit right I have no need for you doing it at all.
[08:52:07] <yasnak> Wednesdays haha
[08:58:26] <archivist> do you resign when you make a mistake
[08:58:37] <_methods> suicide is the only option
[08:58:44] <_methods> permanent resignation
[09:00:56] <yasnak> LOL
[09:01:13] <yasnak> not that funny, but funny.
[09:01:59] <_methods> hehe
[09:02:37] <yasnak> Somedays I wonder if I'm literally going crazy or I'm really just surrounded by mumbling morons :P probably both.
[09:02:39] <Simonious> in college my girlfriend got me a seppaku blade for valentine's day while she was out of town. She didn't know what it was. I didn't tell her the message such a gift engendered was, "you've been dishonered, kill yourself".
[09:02:47] <archivist> everybody makes mistakes fire everybody, fixed, no mistakes because no production
[09:03:09] <yasnak> Now thats gold.
[09:03:35] <yasnak> "Heres this cool knife..." Soooo she wants me to kill myself??
[09:08:16] <miss0r> my mill will not eat this command: G3 X-30 Y-30 Z-1 I0 J0 F400
[09:08:27] <miss0r> The mill is positioned at x30y30z0
[09:08:34] <miss0r> It tells me parameters are missing
[09:08:58] <miss0r> am I going nuts here?
[09:09:11] <yasnak> 400 FPM? lol
[09:09:16] <gregcnc> I thought you said it asks for K
[09:09:36] <miss0r> yasnak: i'm running mm/min
[09:09:59] <yasnak> doh, I forgot. we're the only idiots who use inch.
[09:10:23] <miss0r> gregcnc, if I use the K value, I am giving it a pitch. I would realy rather avoid that, as it will make a hell of a calculation each time I am ramding down a contour with arcs and linear movement
[09:11:02] <MattyMatt_> at 400 FPM you wouldn't need a spindle
[09:11:07] <gregcnc> if the control needs it what are your options?
[09:12:14] <miss0r> true. I was hoping I was seriously missing something essential. i.e. I can descripe a complete helical movement with the G2/G3 command, but I loose control. I don't like having the controller do all that much for me. I would rather break it up into 180 parts
[09:12:39] <miss0r> but as far as I can tell, if I use the R value, I can't change the Z depth
[09:12:45] <yasnak> then break the arch into segments and program them line to line?
[09:13:30] <miss0r> yasnak, That is one option, but I have some serious limitation on that behalf. I only have 300kb controller memory, and I have to transfer my code with a 2400bps serial connection
[09:14:21] <yasnak> yep, takes time. been there. 300kb eh. what machine? Most actually come pre-installed with max memory and need a special code to "unlock" it. I might know it haha.
[09:14:48] <miss0r> it's a Maho 500c with a philips 432 controller
[09:15:22] <yasnak> and its not once I know. sorry man ;/
[09:15:44] <yasnak> Try breaking the arcs into larger segments and just see what it comes out looking like. Good luck!
[09:15:49] <miss0r> no problem. I just need to dig in and make this damn post processor work for me
[09:16:02] <_methods> that machine takes coordinates without .
[09:16:24] <_methods> most of those older machines wouldn't take them without decimal
[09:16:24] <miss0r> _methods, you say what what now?
[09:16:48] <miss0r> oh yeah. this one will :)
[09:16:48] <_methods> decimal points
[09:17:00] <_methods> ah
[09:17:24] <_methods> well i don't know what it's issue is then
[09:17:57] <miss0r> I think this machine has been around long enough to start rebelling the human race.. and it's starting with me
[09:18:03] <_methods> hehe
[09:19:33] <yasnak> seems thats how all cnc's are
[09:19:40] <miss0r> rebelling?
[09:19:53] <gregcnc> do you know if it supports full circles?
[09:20:29] <miss0r> it does
[09:21:01] <gregcnc> the same code as above without Z works?
[09:21:02] <_methods> damn that must have been a nice machine back in the day
[09:21:20] <_methods> no decimal points, supports full arcs
[09:21:31] <miss0r> I can do G3 X-30 Y-30 I0 J0
[09:21:40] <miss0r> that works
[09:22:31] <miss0r> that one works for every angle, while using the R parameter limits it to 180degrees
[09:24:10] <_methods> that sux, no memory so you can't break it up and won't take z on arc
[09:24:34] <_methods> i think that is the definition of the rock and a hard place
[09:25:23] <gregcnc> i don't understand the calculation issue
[09:25:28] <miss0r> well.... if I do G3 X-30 Y-30 Z-20 I0 J0 K1.5 F400, It will produce a helical movement with a 1.5 pitch till it reaches X-30,Y-30,Z-20
[09:25:59] <_methods> so what is wrong with that?
[09:26:02] <gregcnc> perfect
[09:26:45] <miss0r> but most of the time when I do a, say, contour, I ramp down, while moving around the workpeice. When I hit a curve, I would like for the ramp to continue down without having to break that particular ark up into lines
[09:27:13] <yasnak> so write it using an incremental?
[09:27:57] <cradek> I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem - you can have a change in Z during an XY arc - is that what you're asking about?
[09:28:14] <miss0r> cradek, That is what I am experiencing, yes
[09:28:27] <miss0r> yasnak, true. that might open some options
[09:28:57] <gregcnc> is it a helical move or not?
[09:29:03] <cradek> miss0r: that's a helical move, you just program a Z word with your G17 XY arc
[09:29:07] <cradek> yes
[09:29:55] <gregcnc> but this is really about a post setup issue right?
[09:29:56] <miss0r> It won't accept a G3 X Y Z R command
[09:30:00] <cradek> your G3 command is wrong above
[09:30:07] <cradek> are you using linuxcnc?
[09:30:16] <miss0r> gregcnc, if I could make the machine do what I want, i'm sure I would be able to get the post processor working for me
[09:30:27] <_methods> he's not using linuxcnc
[09:30:28] <cradek> linuxcnc absolutely accepts G3 X Y Z R moves
[09:30:36] <miss0r> cradek, This is an ye'oldy philips 432
[09:30:39] <cradek> oh
[09:30:49] * cradek sighs
[09:31:08] <miss0r> I traded in my homemade mill running linuxcnc, as part of the deal to get this mill... I feel regret on some issues here :)
[09:32:38] <miss0r> gregcnc, if I could only break down the build-in helical movement and use it, I would be so happy ;)
[09:32:47] <yasnak> Do you need to specify a program plane? What is the exact error it gives again?
[09:32:50] <MattyMatt_> reverse engineer the controller? is it 32K of z80 code?
[09:33:07] <gregcnc> so what is the issue?
[09:33:07] <yasnak> but honestly I've ran into this and I'd just write what I needed as an incremental
[09:33:42] <miss0r> yasnak: MattyMatt_: I have no idea to be honnest
[09:34:00] <yasnak> Could be easy in the post to fix too
[09:34:13] <MattyMatt_> </davejonesvoice> don't turn it on, take it aparrrt
[09:34:13] <miss0r> What I realy want is to define the endpoint of a G2/G3 with three coordinates
[09:34:41] <miss0r> and not have to give it a pitch
[09:34:52] <Simonious> this reminds me, yesterday I was talking about viewing some kind of linuxCNC console looking for signals and you guys told me about hal-scope. I haven't seen any signals come in with this tool so far, though I might with more time. This is an older machine recently converted to LinuxCNC by not me and the guy didn't set up the home endstops.. or something. They appear to be hooked up, so the reason I was looking to trace
[09:34:59] <yasnak> miss0r
[09:35:04] <miss0r> yasnak, take me through your thought
[09:35:10] <yasnak> Okay
[09:35:11] <yasnak> lol
[09:35:36] <gregcnc> the post won't care what format the arcs need
[09:35:38] <MattyMatt_> iirc, I always do a G! before a G3
[09:35:44] <MattyMatt_> G1
[09:35:52] <Simonious> I prefer G!
[09:35:52] <yasnak> So lets try an incremental. See, my cam puts these types of moves out as straight G1 XZY moves in whatever seg/tolerance you want. Since I don't have a limitation in disk this isnt an issue
[09:35:57] <Simonious> just to get the machine's attention
[09:36:21] <MattyMatt_> G1 X,Y,Z = start pos G3 X,Y,I,J = end and center
[09:36:54] <yasnak> But i'd seriously just have the post do the math and do it as an incremental
[09:37:41] <yasnak> Scratch that, read matty's shit. I'm retarded
[09:38:00] <miss0r> heh :]
[09:38:18] <miss0r> MattyMatt_, But that doesn't allow for a z movement while running G3
[09:39:01] <yasnak> Thats how you do I,J,K is just X,Y,Z. Too many controllers. Program the G3,G2 using IJK and no XYZ. That way it should all increment down right?
[09:40:17] <miss0r> how on earch would it calculate the radius if you leave out the center coordinates?
[09:41:39] <miss0r> _
[09:42:24] <gregcnc> it uses I and J
[09:43:07] <miss0r> gregcnc, In answer to yasnak's post
[09:44:15] <yasnak> right
[09:44:27] <yasnak> using xy ij is difference between absolute and incremental
[09:44:52] <yasnak> so its the same, but different coordinate system. correct me if i'm going full retard. programming a swiss machine at the same time. haha
[09:45:12] <miss0r> not sure if its your or me :)
[09:45:26] <yasnak> one way to find out...try it ;) haha
[09:45:45] <miss0r> Yeah, it's probally me. what would you suggest a G3 command would look like?
[09:45:47] <gregcnc> sounds right to me, but depends on the control
[09:45:55] <yasnak> greg's right
[09:46:43] <yasnak> the control can be limiting. so you may need to actually do tiny arc breakups and write legit G1 incremental for it. that would suck.
[09:47:04] <miss0r> that would realy realy suck.
[09:47:20] <yasnak> but you gotta do man, no chips no checks :P
[09:47:23] <gregcnc> but I'm not getting somethign here. are you hand coding or CAM with a post?
[09:47:49] <miss0r> gregcnc, At the moment I am hand coding the stuff I want to write into the post, once I have a working solution
[09:48:25] <gregcnc> CAM should do all the math to figure out a partial helical with no issue
[09:48:29] <miss0r> yasnak, I feel like a full retard here. What do you mean? you are going to do a G3 x y z and leave out the ijk? :S
[09:49:17] <miss0r> gregcnc, I see what you mean, but I can't seem to get a variable from anywhere about the pitch of the movement.(in the post processor)
[09:49:39] <gregcnc> OK, but that's the real problem
[09:50:17] <miss0r> sure, if we assume it is impossible to have an arc with 3 end coordinates, without a pitch
[09:50:28] <yasnak> miss0r, try the IJK man.
[09:50:36] <yasnak> if it works great, if not then you've got your work cut out lol
[09:50:58] <MattyMatt_> maybe G3 Z defines the pitch
[09:51:02] <miss0r> yasnak, true - but I still Have no idea how you would format that command
[09:51:56] <yasnak> but the same way you'd format the XYZ but instead of using the program zero you'd write it as an incremental from the last absolute coordinate.
[09:52:20] <yasnak> Know what I mean? I know I suck at explaining. My brain works so different then others haha
[09:52:42] <gregcnc> if one doesn't use incremental it's tough to understand
[09:53:37] <miss0r> I know what incremental is, but I haven't used it for anything but retracting tools. I will try to write a test code.
[09:53:42] <yasnak> okay
[09:53:57] <yasnak> So the line before the G2 or G3 is a absolute. Its based off the program zero
[09:54:13] <yasnak> Where is the tool when that line completes? Remember where that is
[09:54:49] <miss0r> lets say xyz 30 30 0
[09:55:01] <yasnak> Then write the IJK based off that almost being your new program zero. Just for the incremental parts. Each proceeding incremental would be based off the location of the tool right before the line is ran.
[09:55:27] <yasnak> As soon as you go back to g1 it'll base off absolute, then do it again on the next corner.
[09:57:14] <gregcnc> if absolute is G3 X30 Y30 I0 J0 incremental is G3 X0 Y0 I-30 J-30
[09:57:43] <gregcnc> but i still think you need K
[09:58:31] <miss0r> I think you are right. but I will have to go try anywho.
[09:58:34] <gregcnc> do you need K when the move is less than 360°
[09:59:11] <miss0r> assuming thats what the controller is bitching about, I would say so, yes
[09:59:53] <miss0r> gregcnc, I think your G3 is flawed.
[10:00:15] <miss0r> or have I completely dropped my cookies here
[10:00:36] <miss0r> ahh for a full circle... never mind
[10:01:34] <mase-tech> Hi everybody
[10:03:01] <mase-tech> anybody here who made his cnc himself ?
[10:04:46] <archivist> a few have made their own
[10:05:46] <archivist> so ask a better question :)
[10:08:14] <mase-tech> I am searching some examples for cnc machines
[10:08:32] <mase-tech> so I am interessted for cnc people did build
[10:10:03] <archivist> 5 axis made from scrap and parts of old machines
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_07_10_cnc_with_LCD_P4/IMG_0268.JPG
[10:10:48] <mase-tech> takes very long to load
[10:11:04] <archivist> base, citizen tool setting jig, spindle MD65 lathe
[10:11:28] <mase-tech> do you have a website
[10:11:36] <miss0r> yes, and it is slow
[10:11:37] <miss0r> :)
[10:12:08] <mase-tech> http://www.collection.archivist.info/
[10:12:10] <mase-tech> :D
[10:13:06] <mase-tech> do you host the site on your "home" server ?
[10:13:13] <archivist> yes
[10:18:09] <mase-tech> "My response time is proportional to donation" made my day :D
[10:18:33] <archivist> people ask for scans
[10:18:58] <archivist> the only thing that help pay for serving
[10:20:09] <mase-tech> Understand, but I find it funny
[10:21:32] <archivist> 50%+ dont donate or even say thanks when I scan something
[10:22:35] <mase-tech> yes I understand the problem. It is like people forget to say thank you
[10:22:57] <mase-tech> So I do it, thx for your collected information :)
[10:23:36] <mase-tech> but the thing u do looking very good
[10:23:42] <mase-tech> I must say
[10:25:49] <gregcnc> miss0r does your CAM now post with R or IJK?
[10:26:31] <miss0r> both :) R if it us below 180degrees
[10:26:44] <mase-tech> archivist: the workspace of your posted devise is very small, so I guess it is very very precise
[10:26:47] <miss0r> I can't make it do what I want with incremental
[10:27:39] <miss0r> greg: when I do the IJK, K for pitch. it completely follows the pitch, and when the Z value is reached, it moves across the table to the preset endpoint.
[10:28:07] <miss0r> i.e. leaving the circle
[10:29:55] <gregcnc> for arc or full circle?
[10:30:13] <miss0r> full circle
[10:30:46] <miss0r> I am again again reconsidering retrofitting it with linuxCNC
[10:31:24] <yasnak> I'm guessing since you've been messing in post you'd see this but does the cam have an option to just spit out all incremental?
[10:31:37] <miss0r> it does
[10:31:43] <yasnak> *sorry, had to go fix fires on the floor
[10:31:46] <yasnak> tired already ;/
[10:32:14] <yasnak> mind is made up...going to winghouse for beers and wings for lunch haha
[10:32:34] <miss0r> I can also do a G3 on all three axis with the R parameter, I still have to specify the pitch(K) for it to be accepted
[10:32:45] <archivist> mase-tech, it is made for small work eg
http://gears.archivist.info/gears/IMG_1214_hires.JPG
[10:32:57] <yasnak> miss0r, okay that makes sense
[10:33:03] <mase-tech> yes I see good work
[10:33:12] <yasnak> because otherwise it doesn't know how long to taper all of the axis. the k essentially tells it right?
[10:33:13] <gregcnc> OK, so the endpoint must be calculated to match
[10:33:14] <mase-tech> I like it
[10:33:15] <yasnak> weird controller haha
[10:33:34] <miss0r> hmm. it 'NEEDS' the pitch at all times. I just need to figure out how to rewrite my post so it calculates the pitch for me
[10:33:38] <mase-tech> but your site is really slow for all pictures on it :(
[10:33:55] <yasnak> thats weird
[10:34:08] <miss0r> not weird, just old
[10:34:15] <miss0r> ... and weird
[10:34:39] <archivist> mase-tech, cannot afford a higher speed line
[10:35:45] <yasnak> does the machine even have different mill planes?
[10:36:06] <yasnak> as in g17 g18 g19?
[10:36:24] <miss0r> yes
[10:36:28] <miss0r> all of'em
[10:36:45] <yasnak> and obviously you have that already set
[10:36:56] <miss0r> Indeed. we're working in G17
[10:38:04] <miss0r> i dont think the pitch of a given ramp, is actualy in the post processor. I can't find the variable that is
[10:38:28] <yasnak> okay
[10:38:31] <mase-tech> archivist: I bookmarked ur site :)
[10:38:49] <yasnak> so copy/paste me the statement you've got now and the arc youre trying to make
[10:38:52] <yasnak> i've got a bit of time now
[10:38:54] <mase-tech> U have so many machines ... This is more than a hobby
[10:38:57] <yasnak> :)
[10:39:28] <miss0r> yasnak: I can do the arc I want, just not how I want it.
[10:39:49] <miss0r> I would love not to have to give it a pitch, and have the controller calculate that itself. But it seems it is unabled to do so
[10:40:14] <miss0r> Now I just need to figure out how to make the post processor spit it out looking the way I want
[10:41:48] <miss0r> A working solution: G1 x30 y0; G3 x0 y-30 z-1 i0 j0 k2;
[10:42:17] <miss0r> that creates a 180, with a radius of 30 and a pitch of 2. it ramps down 1mm while doing that turn
[10:43:36] <miss0r> but if I mess up the pitch(k) it will continue to arc around and around until it reaches z-1, and then it will do a linear movement from that point to xx0 y-30
[10:43:39] <miss0r> makes sense?
[10:44:26] <yasnak> you said its programmed using G17?
[10:44:34] <miss0r> yes
[10:44:39] <yasnak> Okay so thats top plane
[10:44:59] <yasnak> Making sure I'm right before I tell you what to do haha
[10:45:14] <miss0r> indeed
[10:45:16] <yasnak> might have missed the g17 part in the beginning ;)
[10:45:39] <miss0r> sure. on this controller, unless anything else is specified, it assumes G17
[10:50:25] <miss0r> If I could somehow manage to get my hands on the pitch/calculate the pitch in the post processor, I could adjust the output acordingly. that would work. but I am a horrible noob with mastercam post processors.
[10:51:58] <yasnak> okay
[10:52:50] <gregcnc> apparently Cincinnati mills also needed K
[10:53:06] <miss0r> also descriping the pitch?
[10:53:30] <gregcnc> http://www.emastercam.com/board/topic/9315-in-the-post-or-in-mastercam/?p=311787
[10:55:47] <miss0r> gregcnc, i'm not sure I got smarter reading that :)
[10:56:17] <yasnak> Okay so
[10:56:18] <gregcnc> no, but it might be worth looking at cincinnati posts
[10:56:38] <yasnak> you're setting the G50 X,y,z 0 before you start right?
[10:57:50] <miss0r> G50 ? (my machine do not have that code)
[10:58:12] <yasnak> Okay, so then you're setting it to at least the correct Z height first line
[10:58:20] <miss0r> gregcnc, indeed. I will have a look at one, if I can get my hands on one
[10:58:34] <miss0r> indeed
[11:00:29] <yasnak> before we reinvent the wheel
[11:00:36] <yasnak> does the cam software do thread milling code?
[11:00:38] <yasnak> :P
[11:00:53] <yasnak> Cuz we could write a little thead mill program and make it do what we want exactly
[11:01:11] <miss0r> I guess it does. It is Mastercam X5 - so yeah
[11:01:20] <yasnak> So lets just do that...
[11:02:32] <miss0r> you are giving me braincancer.. :D
[11:03:00] <miss0r> talking about reinventing the wheel ;)
[11:03:13] <yasnak> if it works then cool, otherwise I'll help you haha.
http://www.kennametal.com/en/resources/engineering-calculators/end-milling-calculators/helical-interpolation.html
[11:03:56] <yasnak> Yeah sorry, working on three programs and people asking me questions about parts I have no idea about. I'm headed to get a beer haha. I'll be back in an hour.
[11:04:38] <gregcnc_> fagor controls as well
[11:05:41] <miss0r> where does one download such a post? it seems someone is trying to keep them secret
[11:05:56] <gregcnc_> they charge moeny
[11:08:03] <miss0r> damn them!
[11:12:36] <gregcnc_> half way down this page there is a fagor post, there is a reference to K and pitch
https://en.industryarena.com/forum/mastercam-post-fagor-8055m--19986.html
[11:15:03] <miss0r> I need to make my post calculate abs(zinc/sweep*360) and use that for K value
[11:15:06] <miss0r> then it should work
[11:15:16] <miss0r> \o/
[11:16:41] <gregcnc_> it looks to be related to the acramatic helical move option.
[11:19:43] <miss0r> I have no idea what that is. but if I can make this work, I can have it do all my arcs with a pitch. that would be all I ever wanted from life :D
[11:19:47] <gregcnc_> www.emastercam.com/board/topic/72805-arc-statements-on-cincinnati-arrow-vmc-750/
[11:20:57] <miss0r> interresting... Dinner time - I will be back later
[11:27:15] <gregcnc_> miss0r If your post lists "hel_2100 : no #Acramatic 2100 style helical moves, 0=no, 1=yes" I think this may be all you need to change
[11:38:37] <FloppyDisk> Erant - did you find a lathe yet?
[11:56:45] <Encapsulation> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/benchtop-standard-cnc-machine-kit-p-369.html
[11:56:52] <Encapsulation> I wonder how this machine compares to the x6-2200l
[11:57:12] <Encapsulation> a LOT included
[12:02:38] <archivist> Repeatability: +/- 0.002” (0.05 mm) 4 thou total, rattling fit
[12:04:29] <Encapsulation> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[12:04:33] <Encapsulation> 'this machine claims the same .05mm
[12:04:50] <Encapsulation> I think for cutouts for LCD panels this will be accurate enough? also .4mm pitch PCB
[12:05:05] <Encapsulation> its an order of magnitude more accurate than I require ?
[12:05:22] <Encapsulation> or is there more to consider
[12:06:19] <archivist> do not equate pitch with the actual gaps you want
[12:07:33] <archivist> your requirements and price are conflicting
[12:08:52] <archivist> I grabbed hold of a central screw gantry machine like that Monday, there is little to stop rotation of the gantry
[12:09:22] <archivist> I felt more play than 4 thou
[12:09:39] <Encapsulation> I see...more to think about it would appear
[12:10:54] <Encapsulation> ah... I should probably understand the definition of pitch
[12:10:58] <Encapsulation> center to center spacing
[12:11:06] <Encapsulation> so the actual area between pads would be smaller
[12:11:18] <JT-Shop> wow I'm only 1 month behind on my book keeping
[12:11:31] <Encapsulation> xD
[12:15:14] <Encapsulation> I don't see how to find the actual spacing, still looking
[12:15:31] <Encapsulation> I could accept losing that ability and working with larger components if I had to
[12:15:53] <Encapsulation> they make breakout boards for LQFP and I could mill standard .1" and solder adapter in place
[12:17:08] <archivist> better to get the professionals to make PCBs
[12:19:41] <Encapsulation> want the machine for enclosures either way
[12:19:50] <Encapsulation> protocase wants a fortune, it wouldnt take long to pay for itself
[12:21:10] <jdh> you could have been making chips by now
[12:21:20] <gregcnc_> maybe but if they turn it in 2-3 days you would have had them three weeks ago
[12:21:33] <jdh> heh
[12:21:59] <Encapsulation> =\
[12:22:25] <jdh> there is no perfect or even best
[12:23:01] <jdh> ready to run is much more useful. the machine is the easy part
[12:26:17] <Encapsulation> I emailed cncrouterparts about their machines, I should know more later
[12:27:12] <Encapsulation> for what its worth, X6-2200l lance emailed me confirming it can cut .4mm pitch PCBs. if that seems like it might be a lie that would be concerning, but I think I've seen it done with mormal 6040s even
[12:27:17] <Encapsulation> might take some trial and error
[12:27:56] <Encapsulation> if its impossible with that machine I would question lance's character for making such a claim
[12:28:05] <Encapsulation> he did say I would need to be familiar with how to machine pcbs
[12:28:12] <Encapsulation> but that the machine could handle that accuracy
[12:28:28] <jdh> chinese .4mm
[12:29:27] <Encapsulation> =\
[12:29:37] <Encapsulation> I hope thats not like the "decaf" coffee at chinese restaurants
[12:30:08] <jdh> I have no doubt mine could do .4mm
[12:30:15] <Encapsulation> which machine do you use?
[12:30:23] <Encapsulation> the x6-2200l?
[12:30:46] <jdh> same guys, plain 6040 pport
[12:31:29] <Encapsulation> ok
[12:31:38] <Encapsulation> that helps a lot actually
[12:31:50] <Encapsulation> if the normal 6040 can do it the x6 undoubtedly can
[12:31:55] <Encapsulation> are you using the stock electronics?
[12:32:02] <Encapsulation> do you know if its yoc556 drivers or something else
[12:32:35] <jdh> all stock
[12:32:58] <jdh> was planning on a g540 but havent needed to
[12:33:39] * JT-Shop doesn't like the g540, too many problems
[12:33:50] <maxcnc> hi
[12:34:03] <Encapsulation> hi
[12:34:21] <jdh> CNC 6040Z-S80(New Version) ROUTER ENGRAVER DRILLING AND MILLING MACHINE
[12:34:41] <Encapsulation> that was carving-cnc right?
[12:34:44] <Encapsulation> that then became omio
[12:34:46] <jdh> Subtotal$1,559.00
[12:34:58] <jdh> yep. emails say omio
[12:34:58] <Encapsulation> or did you purchase on ebay
[12:35:01] <Encapsulation> oh ok
[12:35:06] <jdh> lance and grace
[12:35:15] <Encapsulation> I think that machine is the previous version of the x6, or samwe with a new name
[12:35:25] <Encapsulation> lance is who I've been emailing with
[12:35:45] <Encapsulation> did you have any issues with it and need support? lance has been prompt with his replies pre-sale
[12:36:18] <Encapsulation> interesting they raised the price by $600
[12:36:29] <Encapsulation> or more if that price includes shipping
[12:36:38] <Encapsulation> do you have the hiwin linear rails on that machine?
[12:37:10] <Encapsulation> or the remote control? I heard the remote might not be that great, and usb is just as much of a curse as a blessing
[12:37:37] * Encapsulation 's head explodes
[12:37:51] <jdh> no remote, no usb
[12:38:02] <Encapsulation> round or flat rail?
[12:38:12] <jdh> supported round rails
[12:38:19] <Encapsulation> ok
[12:38:21] <Encapsulation> ty
[12:38:33] <Encapsulation> I have to just wait for email from cncrouterparts now
[12:38:42] <Encapsulation> their machine is the same price I would spend on x6-2200l
[12:38:45] <FloppyDisk> Encapsulation- the first two machines you showed are not even close to the same... The cncrouterparts is rollers on a guide.
[12:39:00] <Encapsulation> their v-bearing tech?
[12:39:13] <Encapsulation> I was trying to determine how good it was
[12:39:15] <FloppyDisk> The omiocnc has linear bearings, this is apples and oranges.
[12:39:29] <Encapsulation> well the price is basicallyt the same
[12:39:34] <FloppyDisk> V-bearing is 'inexpensive' (kind way for saying cheap)
[12:39:41] <Encapsulation> a little more to upgrade the cncnrouterparts to LC spindle
[12:39:54] <Encapsulation> and it would have ethernet smoothstepper instead of usb
[12:40:00] <FloppyDisk> Although, I did see that you wanted to mill circuit boards, it might be 'good enough.'
[12:40:03] <Encapsulation> so v-bearing is not comparable performance to a linear rail?
[12:40:11] <FloppyDisk> Not ever in a million years...
[12:40:30] <FloppyDisk> Unless they mount the linear bearing on a piece of card board...
[12:40:33] <maxcnc> going home early BD of Child Gn8
[12:41:02] <Encapsulation> FloppyDisk, because the v-bearing relies on stock steel?
[12:41:09] <Encapsulation> and the hiwin are machined
[12:41:11] <Encapsulation> ?
[12:41:21] <Encapsulation> http://goo.gl/6V1Bvq
[12:41:24] <Encapsulation> http://goo.gl/9IBD5K
[12:41:28] <Encapsulation> http://goo.gl/nQk8Rz
[12:41:43] <Encapsulation> http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-1.jpg
[12:41:50] <Encapsulation> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Kfiw_mT6bvQ/maxresdefault.jpg
[12:41:59] <Encapsulation> those pictures are the work I need the machine to do
[12:42:10] <FloppyDisk> Linear bearings are stiffer. I've seen some v bearing stuff and it can work, it's not precision. hence the +-.002:
[12:42:12] <Encapsulation> especially #1, 2, 3
[12:42:24] <Encapsulation> FloppyDisk, I see.
[12:42:38] <Encapsulation> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[12:42:45] <FloppyDisk> Order of accuracy/repeatability/precision: v-bearing, linear bearing (ie round rail), square bearing (from least to best)
[12:42:49] <Encapsulation> x6-2200l claims .05mm as well
[12:43:02] <FloppyDisk> If you can get a square bearing for same price as that V0bearin, start making chips...
[12:43:16] <Encapsulation> FloppyDisk, yes, in the x6-2200l machine I just linked
[12:43:23] <Encapsulation> I think that might be the one to go with then, if the v-bearing isnt as good
[12:43:44] <Encapsulation> hg-20 linear rail on all axis
[12:44:30] <Encapsulation> cncrouterparts email will have to say something amazing to convince me to go that route then
[12:44:48] <Encapsulation> http://carbide3d.com/shapeoko/
[12:44:55] <Encapsulation> I was also considering the shapeoko 3
[12:45:10] <FloppyDisk> From the few that I looked at as you showed them, the OMIOcnc looks like a decent machine.
[12:45:10] <Encapsulation> it appears to not be as good at all as the other two options, but is $1000 less
[12:45:30] <R2E4> Hi all
[12:45:31] <FloppyDisk> Are you aware the USB stepper controller is not LinuxCNC friendly? That'd be a Mach3 dealio..
[12:45:31] <Encapsulation> z axis is belt driven, roller bearings on acis
[12:45:53] <Encapsulation> FloppyDisk, my guess was that there is a USB card inside
[12:45:55] <FloppyDisk> belt driven will impart error as the belt stretches...
[12:45:57] <Encapsulation> attached to the stepper drivers
[12:46:02] <Encapsulation> I was going to look into upgrading it
[12:46:03] <R2E4> Can I just do an M6 T2 and zero off in mdi?
[12:46:08] <Encapsulation> with a ethernet smoothstepper
[12:46:11] <Encapsulation> or parallel breakout
[12:46:25] <FloppyDisk> You'd be correct, go w/ a mesa or pico or parallel breakout (as you said) and you'll be cutting...
[12:46:37] <Encapsulation> omiocnc says it comes with a copy of mach3
[12:46:39] <Encapsulation> but its licensed to them
[12:46:42] <Encapsulation> I dont even know what that means...
[12:47:37] <Encapsulation> if ethernet smoothstepper works with yoc556
[12:47:45] <Encapsulation> that is the route I would go to change from USB
[12:48:25] <FloppyDisk> sounds like you've looked into it, I like that OMIO machine, looks decent.
[12:48:46] <Encapsulation> ok
[12:48:54] <Encapsulation> I appreciate that advice
[12:49:15] <FloppyDisk> PS - Shapeko will not be as accurate either, plus, if I recall, they run on aluminum rails. Maybe they have steel 'inserts', but that
[12:49:19] <FloppyDisk> is lower tech.
[12:49:48] <Encapsulation> its probably not worth the savings, doesnt look like as much of a "real machine" as the x6 does
[12:49:58] <Encapsulation> with proper linear rails and ballscrews on all axis
[12:50:01] <FloppyDisk> One last comment, the way cncrouterparts mounted to their lead screw was wonky... No support for ball screw.
[12:50:09] <FloppyDisk> Meant ball screw.
[12:50:20] * Encapsulation takes a look
[12:50:46] <FloppyDisk> Encapsulation - will you be Inheritance after you buy? Just so I can plan ahead...
[12:51:05] <Encapsulation> xD I will be encapsulation
[12:51:06] <djdelorie> He'll be Deliverance
[12:51:07] <Encapsulation> or polymorphism
[12:51:23] <Encapsulation> I don't use inheritance much
[12:51:31] <Encapsulation> only if I have two machines online and I'm trying to log on a third
[12:51:36] <FloppyDisk> djdelorie :-) But, there are three pillars of Object Orientated programming... YOu have only hit 2.
[12:51:39] <Encapsulation> laptop, desktop, phone
[12:51:46] <Encapsulation> FloppyDisk, xD
[12:51:53] <Encapsulation> thats true
[12:52:12] <Inheritance> I do have this name too =D
[12:52:23] <FloppyDisk> help us all...
[12:52:34] <FloppyDisk> I gotta go, go luck. Buy something soon!
[12:52:38] <enleth> R2E4: have a moment?
[12:52:38] <Encapsulation> will do, thanks again
[12:52:44] <R2E4> yeah
[12:52:53] <Encapsulation> also making sure no surprises on import
[12:52:57] <Encapsulation> when I purchase from omio
[12:53:18] <Encapsulation> "when shipping X6 machine to USA/Canda/Australia , we'll declare $750 machine value to DHL, our customers told us there is almost no import tax. and According to the latest US Customs policy, if the goods value is less than $ 800, it will not be charged tariffs. but please note that we don't promise. "
[12:53:35] <enleth> R2E4: does your bridgeport have a drawbar or just a QC30 locknut? I've seen photos of several R2E4 with pneumatic drawbars
[12:54:19] <R2E4> mine has QC30 locknut
[12:55:11] <R2E4> My friend has one with a drawbar
[12:55:44] <enleth> R2E4: CNC head/rigid ram too?
[12:56:02] <R2E4> yes
[12:56:48] <djdelorie> Encapsulation: that means if it gets lost in shipping, you only get $750 back. Plus you're lying to the gov't.
[12:56:59] <jdh> ethernet smoothstepper is not an upgrade
[12:57:27] <enleth> R2E4: is the drawbar mechanism he uses the original factory configuration?
[12:57:41] <R2E4> yes
[12:57:42] <enleth> R2E4: I'd be *very* interested in photos of the thing
[12:58:26] <Encapsulation> djdelorie, that sounds really shitty. I need to look into that more then
[12:58:33] <Encapsulation> it did sound slightly suspect
[12:58:35] <R2E4> Dont know if I could get him to take it apart to take snapsjots...lol
[12:58:54] <R2E4> smoothstepper? ARK!!!!
[12:59:21] <enleth> R2E4: the top end of the drawbar, the way it interacts with the actuation mechanism and all. Everything I can find online is about power drawbar retrofits for manual heads, where the drawbar sticks out the top of the varispeed housing in top position
[12:59:29] <enleth> R2E4: no way to fit those to a CNC head
[12:59:49] <enleth> And photos of original CNC head power drawbars are apparently nonexistent
[12:59:53] <R2E4> I'll ask him.
[13:00:03] <Encapsulation> jdh, if the usb wouldnt work with linuxcnc and the smoothstepper would, that was my thinking
[13:00:18] <R2E4> you have the QC30?
[13:00:41] <enleth> R2E4: doesn't have to be right now for sure, I still have a solid spindle anyway, but he'd do a great service to all CNC Bridgeport owners by taking a lot of photos the next time he needs to take that portion of the mill apart for any reason
[13:01:03] <enleth> R2E4: yep, and I'd be happy to have a bit more flexibility
[13:01:22] <jdh> neither will afaik
[13:01:48] <R2E4> I dont even use my bridgeport anymore. I retrofitted a Hitachi-Seiki VM40 with LinuxCNC and mesa, and havent been back to the Bridgeport since....lol
[13:02:10] <enleth> R2E4: heh. is it also fitted with linuxcnc?
[13:02:16] <JT-Shop> got those drives in today, good thing I took the first one apart to see what was inside
[13:02:32] <Encapsulation> "
[13:02:32] <Encapsulation> Q:How to save money on import taxes (Customs duties)?
[13:02:32] <Encapsulation> A:We can declare a low value for the product on the invoice when shipping , this maybe can help you save money on tax. (note: some Customs officer may demand you to offer payment proof)
[13:02:32] <Encapsulation> "
[13:02:45] <Encapsulation> djdelorie, are you saying they are admitting to a crime right on their FAQ?
[13:02:49] <Encapsulation> or is that ok for them to do
[13:02:51] <R2E4> no, Everything still works, though the crt is starting to fade. So if I want to get rid of it, I'll fit it with LinuxCNC and mesa.
[13:03:22] <R2E4> I rewired it for 220 single phase and put in a VFD
[13:04:00] <R2E4> I am trying tool length opffset and it doest get set in tool table.
[13:04:06] <Encapsulation> djdelorie, A:When you receive it , the first thing is open the box to check it , if any damaged, you should be to take some pictures to Fedex/DHL/UPS, you can claim to them. I could only claim up to $850 shipping dmg?
[13:04:32] <R2E4> M6 T2 in mdi then hit ok on the message and it doesnt set it in the table. Any hints?
[13:04:37] <enleth> R2E4: that's some kind of BOSS control or what?
[13:04:52] <R2E4> enleth: boss 9
[13:05:02] <FloppyDisk> you can always ask them to insure it for the whole value and pay extra on this end... I'd wing it and pray.
[13:06:03] <R2E4> enleth: I agree, the tool change is a pain with the QC30.
[13:06:54] <FloppyDisk> Maybe you fix what's broken and they ship you a part or two... They did say 30 day return:
http://www.omiocnc.com/help/return-policy.html/
[13:07:17] <enleth> R2E4: well, the tool change itself isn't really so bad, I'm OK with that
[13:07:29] <enleth> but getting toolholders that fit - it's a whole another story
[13:07:32] <Encapsulation> FloppyDisk, I do need to ship it back to china for that policy I'm assuming, which might be more than the $380 they charge ot ship to me
[13:07:49] <R2E4> haha, I have a boatload of them.....
[13:08:09] <enleth> R2E4: well I got the mill with no tooling at all, so I'm somewhat screwed
[13:08:14] <Encapsulation> FloppyDisk, it seems unlikely the whole machine will be ruined or lost
[13:08:25] <enleth> R2E4: no regrets, it's a great machine, but it
[13:08:34] <enleth> it's still a PITA
[13:09:12] <Encapsulation> "Prohibit to plug or unplug the USB cable in an energized state! Otherwise it'll cause to burn electronic components."
[13:09:13] <Encapsulation> dire warning
[13:09:35] <FloppyDisk> agreed. There's risk. You have to decide how much to take... I'd do it...
[13:09:55] <enleth> R2E4: just in case you'd ever like to sell some of the holders - are you by any chance in the EU?
[13:10:11] <FloppyDisk> Not sure about usb, but unplugging a stepper motor while energized can make stepper drives let out smoke...
[13:10:21] <R2E4> no, Canada
[13:11:02] <enleth> ah, well, my boss lives there but he's visiting like once a year so it's not like I could use him to smuggle stuff cheap
[13:11:37] <R2E4> Youu have a non cnc converted to CNC bridgeport?
[13:12:39] <enleth> R2E4: no, a Series 1 MDI, same iron as yours I think, a whole swath of models shared the castings
[13:13:03] <enleth> I have to find someone with a shitload of QC30 holders they don't need over here in EU
[13:13:15] <enleth> pity they weren't really popular around here
[13:13:27] <enleth> or anywhere for that matter, but that goes double here
[13:13:45] <R2E4> They can be tricky, I have some that doesnt like the second knotch, and falls out....
[13:14:09] <jdh> you won't be shipping anything back
[13:14:47] <enleth> R2E4: I've got a new locknut insert, that might be helping
[13:15:30] <enleth> "new", really, I just had a new one made by copying the original worn out one and adding some thickness on the wear surfaces
[13:15:36] <R2E4> I have the dreaded noise in the spindle mechanism. Need to change the sheaths.
[13:15:48] <R2E4> Plus I hat the air motor for speed changing.
[13:15:56] <enleth> clamps great, but doesn't release correctly sometimes, I screwed up the release ear thickness
[13:16:08] <enleth> heh, I just hooked up a VFD
[13:16:25] <R2E4> I have to tap my holder for it to come out.
[13:16:30] <enleth> the whole VariSpeed is so worn out in my mill that I just keep it at one high-ish speed that works kind of OK
[13:17:15] <R2E4> I have a vfd hooked up but no way to change speeds. I put a pot, but thats not working. I dont use it so I stop fiddling with it.
[13:17:20] <enleth> I set the VFD to never go below 10Hz to maintain proper cooling and it works just fine
[13:17:37] <R2E4> Going to put linuxCNC on it and sell it for 3000, or something like that.
[13:23:12] <Encapsulation> Budgeting dust collection, enclosure, spoilboard, tooling, possible coolant
[13:23:21] <Encapsulation> Does dust deputy deal with aluminum chips?
[13:23:41] <Encapsulation> I'm not sure I'll need fogbuster for 2-4mm alumimum with shallow DOC
[13:23:52] <Encapsulation> maybe save that for later if I need, its more than I thought
[13:28:35] <enleth> R2E4: you've got those shitty huge steppers with cooling fins all around on it, right?
[13:29:28] <evil_ren> pics!? cooling fins sounds neat
[13:30:42] <jdh> paypal, get it over with
[13:32:32] <Encapsulation> ?
[13:32:46] <Encapsulation> trying to order essential accessories at the same time
[13:33:05] <Encapsulation> going to use paypal for the machine
[13:33:30] <Encapsulation> collet set, some small aluminum 2 flute
[13:33:35] <Encapsulation> pcb engraving bit
[13:33:37] <Encapsulation> pcb drills
[13:33:46] <Encapsulation> maybe a general purpose hardwood tool
[13:34:06] <Encapsulation> I need to learn more about this aspect.... for 3d carve flat vs ball end
[13:34:09] * Encapsulation goes off to research
[13:34:29] <Encapsulation> someone mentioned a drill chuck?
[13:34:30] <Encapsulation> thats that all about
[13:34:39] <Encapsulation> can't I just do all my drilling with either very small bits for small holes
[13:34:51] <Encapsulation> or small mill and it rotates to mill a larger hole
[13:34:54] <Encapsulation> I'm not sure what this is called
[13:35:15] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld3CYStmvtk
[13:35:19] <jdh> chuck would take up a lot of z
[13:35:22] <Encapsulation> I actually found this perfect video
[13:35:28] <Encapsulation> it demonstrates my exact use case for enclosures
[13:35:33] <Encapsulation> only imagine 2-4mm aluminum
[13:35:51] <Encapsulation> thats the hole method I mean
[13:38:01] <Encapsulation> have to go for a bit, bbl
[13:40:15] <FloppyDisk> Encapsulation: as reference, this is ROUND RAIL, better than v-bearing, not as good as square rail.
[13:40:16] <FloppyDisk> http://www.ebay.com/itm/800W-CNC-Router-Engravering-Machine-For-Wood-Acrylic-MDF-RS-6090-High-Quality/272150612001
[13:40:51] <Loetmichel2> btw: who was that that said yesterday that a 486 dx2 66 16mb "notebook" will not run win98se? ... Proving him wrong:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16238&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 :-)
[13:41:12] <Encapsulation> the round rails are the reason I'm going with the x6-2200l vs the 6040 machines on ebay, FloppyDisk
[13:41:28] <Encapsulation> Loetmichel2, old school =D
[13:41:41] <FloppyDisk> Nice - i like the x6 - go w/ it... I was just showing for comparision.
[13:41:49] <Encapsulation> FloppyDisk, ty
[13:42:04] <Encapsulation> is it true I'll be stuck with mach3 at first?
[13:42:14] <Encapsulation> and do you have any idea what they mean by including a copy licensed to them
[13:42:16] <Encapsulation> is this some sort of piracy
[13:42:20] <jdh> I had to get some drawinga off a floppydisk today
[13:42:36] <jdh> it is a pirated version.
[13:42:45] <FloppyDisk> jdh - I haven't done that in awhile..
[13:42:59] <jdh> me either, until today
[13:43:03] <_methods> with a name like FloppyDisk.....
[13:43:44] <FloppyDisk> Yup... How many stacks of floppies did we have sitting around.. I think windows 3.1 was 20 or something crazy...
[13:44:02] <_methods> hehe we keep a couple boxes around for older machines
[13:44:48] <_methods> the bridgeport eztrak we have uses floppy still but i mainly use the rs232
[13:44:55] <jdh> omio sent ne this link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7-A-fOqrfqSWTVETGJ6QXNJbVk/edit?usp=sharing
[13:45:21] <jdh> don't remember if it was mach or a manual
[13:45:28] <_methods> mach.exe
[13:53:49] <enleth> evil_ren: google Bridgeport BOSS
[13:54:35] <JT-Shop> note to self take apart ever cheap thing you get from china to check it
[13:55:04] <enleth> evil_ren:
http://chaingunstudios.com/Tepo/Bridgeport/BridgeportBossRough_Thrash_.jpg
[13:55:37] <enleth> (a real weirdo - ball screw quill with a manual head casting and a V-ram)
[13:56:22] <cradek> odd, I thought all of those were the rigid-ram style
[13:57:09] <enleth> this must have been one of the early CNC models
[13:57:20] <enleth> the knee is already a purpose-made casting
[13:57:26] <enleth> table as well
[13:57:44] <enleth> but the upper part is mostly classic iron
[13:58:12] <enleth> note the covers plugging holes in the head casting where mechanical power feed controls would have been
[13:58:18] <cradek> well it's varispeed, not pulley
[13:58:33] <cradek> or were there manual varispeeds?
[13:58:41] <enleth> duh, of course there were
[13:58:56] <cradek> ah ok
[13:59:12] <enleth> this is a manual 2J2 head converted to a ball screw quill for CNC
[13:59:15] <cradek> weird find. does it work?
[13:59:33] <enleth> well that's just a photo I found on the internet
[14:00:02] <enleth> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/bridgeport-hardinge-mills/152906-cnc-3.html
[14:07:19] <evil_ren> enleth: omg crazy
[14:07:59] <evil_ren> pretty sure one of the first CNC i used was a bridgeport boss, but i dont remember that motor, and it had a controller with a crt
[14:08:25] <enleth> may have been a BOSS 9 or something like that
[14:09:10] <evil_ren> actually yeah i remember that all in vector graphics in the controller
[14:09:42] <miss0r> YAY! MOTHERFU!!!!... I now have a working mastercam post processor for my philips 432 controller!
[14:09:56] <evil_ren> victoly!
[14:11:47] <miss0r> you would not believe how many hours i've spend!
[14:12:02] <miss0r> or you would.. in which case you know what a victory this is
[14:14:26] <_methods> heheh
[14:14:31] <_methods> nice getting a working custom post going
[14:15:25] <miss0r> yeah, thanks for your inputs _methods
[14:15:41] <_methods> np
[14:15:50] <_methods> i've spent many hours tinkering with posts
[14:15:53] <miss0r> I ended up using a pitch calculator from a fagor post
[14:15:56] <_methods> then they sell the machine......
[14:15:58] <_methods> lol
[14:16:15] <miss0r> around here theres no 'they'. so I will hold on to this one
[14:18:19] <miss0r> now to make it do an actual part, and figure out what is not working and why
[14:30:50] <_methods> well good luck
[14:32:19] <gregcnc_> so that fagor post was useful?
[14:33:17] <gregcnc_> miss0r i forget if you were even using mastercam
[14:36:43] <miss0r> gregcnc_, indeed. very usefull thank you. I used the lead = abs(zinc/sweep*360) line from the post processor
[14:37:18] <miss0r> and some 'if' setups'n such. I think I have it going for linear and arc movements in all three axis now.
[14:37:31] <gregcnc_> great
[14:37:32] <miss0r> s/think/know
[14:38:06] <miss0r> in my world that is basically all there is, as I won't be using much of the build in functions
[14:38:36] * miss0r takes a bow for the help
[14:39:35] <gregcnc_> you just have to ask google the right questions
[14:40:03] <miss0r> indeed. The problem is, this is my first post processor edit. apart from VERY VERY small stuff
[14:40:35] <miss0r> that combined with a new controller that is somewhat anal about what you feed it..
[14:40:41] <miss0r> i'm glad thats over
[14:42:29] <miss0r> well - not completely true. it has been a fun experience. i'm just very glad I can start using my new mill
[14:57:46] <XXCoder> :)
[14:59:51] <miss0r> i've just uploaded a video of the machine cutting air (at 100rpm, so it doesn't make that much noise) i'll see if I can fetch a link
[15:01:01] <JT-Shop> hmm I have voltage on the AC side of the bridge rectifier but nothing on the DC side... I guess it is toast
[15:02:49] <miss0r> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51cA8Udo5i7bU9rOG10QWhDSDA
[15:03:09] <miss0r> I think you have to download it to view :S I'm not sure
[15:46:42] <miss0r> i'll head off to bed. see you around
[16:11:07] <Encaps> http://romaxxcncrouters.com/cnc-router-store#ecwid:category=2549172&mode=product&product=10142335 what about this machine?
[16:11:12] <Encaps> about 2300 shipped USd on ebay
[16:11:23] <Encaps> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Romaxx-CNC-3-axis-Router-Machine-table-16X24-HS-1-/331828069108?hash=item4d427e82f4:m:muce2eNzuSJ7jPKgch7FAlQ
[16:12:52] <Encaps> slightly less z than the omio x6... similar price to raptor cnc thoug
[16:13:56] <Encaps> Work envelope: X 12.1" Y 19.4" Z 4.5"
[16:14:00] <Encaps> 4.5" max z height
[16:14:31] <XXCoder> whats you need to do? steel cutting or alum or just wood?
[16:14:37] <Deejay> gn8
[16:15:36] <Encaps> XXCoder, milling 2-4mm aluminum enclosures 3.25" high
[16:15:39] <Encaps> 2-4mm thick
[16:15:42] <Encaps> also cutting pcb boards
[16:15:47] <Encaps> .1" or smaller pitch
[16:15:52] <XXCoder> cool
[16:18:25] <Encaps> https://vimeo.com/52229800
[16:18:39] <Encaps> http://romaxxcncrouters.com/romaxx-cnc-router-hs-1
[16:18:40] <XXCoder> vimeo crashes
[16:18:49] <Encaps> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[16:19:03] <Encaps> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[16:19:06] <andypugh> The problem with blogging a project is that you find yourself acting up for the audience. Today I have mainly been painting bits of my lathe. I am sure I wouldn’t be bothering if it was only for my own use.
[16:19:16] <Encaps> http://carbide3d.com/shapeoko/
[16:19:19] <Encaps> these are my final choices
[16:21:08] <andypugh> Raptor is the only one with proper guides.
[16:22:00] <Encaps> andypugh, the x6-2200l has hiwin hg-20 linear rails
[16:22:05] <Encaps> arent those nice?
[16:22:15] <Encaps> you dont like the custom bearing on the romaxx?
[16:22:48] <andypugh> Ah, yes, so it does. I thought I was seeing suported round rals
[16:23:45] <andypugh> Pretty anodising doesn’t make the side rails any stiffer on the Romax. :-)
[16:24:19] <Encaps> but its so fancy xD
[16:24:24] <andypugh> Shapeoko is thinner, but the design means that doesn’t really matter so much.
[16:24:52] <andypugh> But, what do I know? I wouldn’t buy any of them.
[16:24:54] <XXCoder> I dont know if shapeoko can do alum
[16:25:05] <Encaps> it claims it "eats aluminum for breakfast"
[16:25:06] <XXCoder> 2-4 mm range he says
[16:25:15] <Encaps> shapeoko
[16:25:25] <Encaps> sounds questionable
[16:25:40] <Encaps> it does hae limited z though I think
[16:25:46] <Encaps> and someone was questioning the belt drien z
[16:25:47] <XXCoder> its a router
[16:26:04] <XXCoder> of course its limited on z :) though I wanna know what rband rputer that is dammit
[16:26:12] <XXCoder> *brand router
[16:26:13] <Encaps> "Linear system: V-rail system designed in house from O-1 tool steel. The ways are adjustable and provide very stable precise motion with almost no friction or resisitance. Enabling the HS-1 to attain its very high rapid speeds.Very smooth traverse/"
[16:26:24] <Encaps> well omio x6-2200l has 5.5" clearance and travel on z
[16:26:35] <Encaps> 4.4" on the romaxx hs-1
[16:26:43] <XXCoder> lucky it has model # on it
[16:26:53] <XXCoder> dwp611 looks like
[16:26:59] <Encaps> dewalt
[16:27:21] <XXCoder> wonder what diameter it is
[16:27:25] <XXCoder> hopefully 43 mm
[16:27:40] <XXCoder> well gonna go
[16:27:50] <Encaps> ttyl
[16:28:13] <XXCoder> can always grab one of those chinese ones, but probably not as accurte dunno
[16:28:16] <XXCoder> laters
[16:28:39] <Encaps> still more to research
[16:28:41] <Encaps> http://www.shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7707
[16:28:48] <Encaps> Keep in mind the endmill stinking out plus the block of material you are milling cannot be over 100mm or maybe 105mm
[16:28:48] <Encaps> Say a 50mm cube I need to use a endmill with OAL of 3" (which mean 2" of the endmill will stick out), which means it will barely able to cut the depth.
[16:29:11] <Encaps> 3.5-4" z migjt be limiting
[16:29:23] <Encaps> I need to consider tool length
[16:32:28] <djdelorie> that's what she said...
[16:41:08] <jdh> 2
[16:41:21] <jdh> 2" of endmill stickout on a tiny mill is too much
[16:42:07] <unfy> poly: the shapeoko is an entirely different class of machine than the x6. as in the shapeoko is trash in comparison. you seem to always end up comparing stuff to the x6. that means it's time for you to buy the x6.
[16:42:22] <jdh> paypal, get it over with.
[16:42:42] <Encaps> unfy, ok. you're right about shapeoko I think.
[16:42:55] <Encaps> Does the X6 still shine in comparison to the new contender, the ROMAXX
[16:43:02] <unfy> don't get me wrong, as a starter thing and light work and learning, the shapeoko is fine.
[16:43:14] <unfy> but compared to the x6, it's no contest.
[16:43:26] <Encaps> http://romaxxcncrouters.com/romaxx-cnc-router-hs-1
[16:44:18] <Encaps> ok
[16:44:33] <Encaps> I still wonder about this romaxx I found right as I was about to order x6
[16:45:39] <jdh> v-rails
[16:48:49] <unfy> romax looks like a fine machine, and adds a lot more cost - especially when you add a spindle, spindle bracket, bed, etc.
[16:49:57] <jdh> the db25 on teh front looks like poor placement
[16:51:23] <unfy> poly: are you gonna be using the machine for profit ? if so - buy the x6. after you recoup your investment and start to make more money - you can look into bigger toys if you need to.
[16:52:49] <Encaps> yes, the use is for direct small batch and one-off manufacturing and for prototyping for my business
[16:53:55] <jdh> if you hate it, sell it for a slight loss, move on
[16:54:23] <gregcnc_> its just money, you can always make more
[16:56:15] <Encaps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpRCzfh1DK0&t=1m0s
[16:56:16] <Encaps> romaxx
[16:56:56] <Encaps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z-2NPeYTQ4
[16:57:02] <Encaps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Uhdmz8OJs
[16:57:07] <Encaps> omio aluminum work 2nd two links
[16:58:18] <jdh> 2.2kw spindle
[16:58:31] <jdh> mine is only 1.5kw, runs off 120vac though
[16:59:01] <Encaps> is the sound muted on the gear cutting video?
[16:59:16] <Encaps> 2.2kw spindle does sound nice, but I heard from Loetmichel even 800w is enough
[17:00:01] <gregcnc_> if that cut quality is acceptable, what are you hung up on?
[17:00:31] <Encaps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld3CYStmvtk
[17:00:38] <Encaps> if it can cut like this in aluminum, that would be perfect
[17:00:41] <Encaps> doesnt need to be this fast
[17:00:44] <Encaps> but this is my main type of work
[17:01:00] <Encaps> but I need to mill the top of 3" high enclosures
[17:01:09] <Encaps> so shapeoko even if it could do it, not enough z probably
[17:01:16] <Encaps> or 6040 ebay
[17:01:37] <Encaps> I could use split enclosure
[17:01:41] <Encaps> and mill from the underside
[17:01:45] <Encaps> but thats not ideal
[17:01:59] <Encaps> or is it?
[17:02:45] <Encaps> then even the ebay 6040 might work for this type of job?
[17:02:58] <Encaps> I could use the savings on dust collection, enclosure, tooling, etc
[17:03:00] <Encaps> software
[17:03:15] <Encaps> what if round rails are ok for me, and I use split enclosure and mill the underside
[17:03:27] <Encaps> Loetmichel, does good work with round rail 6040 I think
[17:03:33] <Encaps> $1400 shipped ebay
[17:03:45] <Encaps> but is it worth the savings.... and would it be enough
[17:04:14] <Encaps> what if 6040 is fine for my pcbs, for my 2-4mm enclosure milling
[17:04:22] <Encaps> and I overcome the z by using split enclosure and inverting
[17:04:28] <Encaps> for thicker materials
[17:04:31] <Encaps> enclosures
[17:04:38] <Encaps> 3" is about the thickest I would ever use
[17:04:40] <Encaps> 2.7" z
[17:04:52] <Encaps> 3/4" spoilboard
[17:04:57] <Encaps> 2"
[17:05:01] <Encaps> 1" tool length?
[17:05:07] <Encaps> I would only need 2-4mm clearance
[17:05:14] <Encaps> if I use split enclosure and invert
[17:05:24] <Encaps> this is calling everything into question...oh no
[17:06:21] <andypugh> Raptor has ballscrews. That’s likely to be better for Aluminium.
[17:06:53] <Encaps> http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1r8TiIpXXXXcFXXXXq6xXFXXXX/Split-body-font-b-Extruded-b-font-font-b-Aluminum-b-font-BoxPCB-Enclosure-font-b.jpg
[17:07:04] <gregcnc_> he doesn't think there is enough value in the raptor
[17:07:20] <Encaps> I think when it all adds up its going to cost a lot more
[17:08:09] <andypugh> Buy cheap, buy twice :-) But all these are cheap, and unlikely to the be the last machine you buy.
[17:08:39] <andypugh> I spent more on Mesa cards on my current build than on the entire machine the first time round.
[17:08:49] <Encaps> I don't want to pay $1000 extra for the X6 or raptor if I'm only getting more Z
[17:08:53] <Encaps> and I could work ith less
[17:08:53] <Encaps> Z
[17:08:55] <gregcnc_> you are the one selling your product. if aesthetics matter, you can't possibly go wrong with overkill on the machine
[17:08:58] <djdelorie> me dad's advice is: either buy the cheapest tool you can, or the best tool you can.
[17:09:10] <Encaps> thats an interesting way to think about it
[17:09:13] <djdelorie> that way either you don't mind replacing it, or you don't have to
[17:10:14] <Encaps> the alumimum I'm milling isnt for precision parts, its just to fit components that will likely overlap the holes and cover them
[17:10:30] <Encaps> and the pcbs I could work with .1"
[17:10:49] <Encaps> I realized today I need to budget up to another $1000 for tooling software dust control etc
[17:10:53] <Encaps> enclosure
[17:11:00] <Encaps> so it got me thinking about the 6040 again
[17:11:15] <Encaps> the big reason I liked x6 was the 5.5" z clearance
[17:11:23] <Encaps> 3.9" on the 6040
[17:11:32] <Encaps> 2.7" vs 5.5" travel
[17:11:45] <Encaps> but my idea was to machine the split body enclosures as one piece
[17:11:50] <Encaps> that might not make any sense
[17:11:53] <Encaps> if the 6040 is rigid enough
[17:12:00] <Encaps> I should split the body
[17:12:02] <Encaps> invert it
[17:12:05] <Encaps> and mill it from the underside
[17:12:09] <Encaps> then instead of 4" z
[17:12:11] <Encaps> I only need 4mm
[17:12:12] <andypugh> $1000 is a lot for tooling. You only really need a couple of end-mills to get going.
[17:12:32] <Encaps> well I was thinking about collet set, dust deputy or similar, shop vac, possibly fog-buster
[17:12:45] <Encaps> also maybe mach3 if I went with usb machine, and also meshcam or similar
[17:12:51] <Encaps> thats how I was reaching up to $1000 more
[17:12:56] <Encaps> plus a nice enclosure with acrylic
[17:13:29] <Encaps> 6040 and all of that is the same price as the x6
[17:13:43] * Encaps contemplates
[17:13:59] <Encaps> I was about to order the x6...
[17:14:00] <djdelorie> Encapsulation is now known as Contemplation
[17:14:50] <gregcnc_> fog buster? -->squeeze bottle enclosure? --> cardboard box...... I made many parts this way I did finally spring for the dust deputy some 10 years later
[17:15:18] <Encaps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awah4PXwAAo&t=2m30s
[17:15:27] <Encaps> gregcnc_, lol
[17:15:35] <gregcnc_> seriously
[17:15:56] <Encaps> actually thats not a bad idea
[17:16:02] <Encaps> that would save me 500 right there
[17:16:06] <gregcnc_> i built a frankenmill because there were no routers 10 years ago
[17:16:16] <gregcnc_> and if i had to do it again I would
[17:16:38] <gregcnc_> but I used some real nice surplus linear slides
[17:17:06] <andypugh> Is it just me, or does this seem a little over-priced?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wyler-Adjustable-Micrometer-Spirit-Level-/322071135822?hash=item4afcef864e:g:BoAAAOSwZG9Wh-H7
[17:17:35] <gregcnc_> If i needed to make parts now, i'd get the raptor and start making money
[17:18:38] <Encaps> what if you needed to cut pcbs and mill 3mm thick aluminum
[17:19:14] <gregcnc_> what do you mean?
[17:20:05] <Encaps> well I won't be cutting any thick parts
[17:20:17] <Encaps> do I need the rigidty for milling through this type of enclosure?
[17:20:19] <malcom2073> [17:51:48] <gregcnc_> If i needed to make parts now, i'd get the raptor and start making money
[17:20:20] <malcom2073> +1
[17:20:20] <Encaps> http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1r8TiIpXXXXcFXXXXq6xXFXXXX/Split-body-font-b-Extruded-b-font-font-b-Aluminum-b-font-BoxPCB-Enclosure-font-b.jpg
[17:21:04] <malcom2073> Encaps: You could've sold a couple dozen parts by now :-P
[17:21:17] <Encaps> the raptor I need to assemble the control box purcahse a spindle and wire up the motors as well as put hte machine together, its about 2100 shipped for 12x24x4" machine raptor
[17:21:37] <gregcnc_> he asked me 10 days ago and I told him to get the raptor, out of all the machines he's mentioned it looks like the best choice
[17:21:40] <Encaps> so probablt similar price to X6 when done, a bit less z and xy but a nicer machine
[17:22:01] <andypugh> Interesting to compare the Raptor milling Alu to the shapeoko:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d5J46hroCI
[17:22:03] <malcom2073> gregcnc_: That's what I said
[17:22:07] <malcom2073> That's also what most other people have said
[17:22:14] <gregcnc_> i know
[17:22:20] <gregcnc_> but it costs too much
[17:22:27] <malcom2073> At some point, people are gonna start trolling Encaps hard heh
[17:22:41] <Encaps> andypugh, are you saying the raptor looks nicer
[17:23:11] <andypugh> I am one of many who have been telling you that for what feels like months.
[17:23:45] <Encaps> its $4000 for the 24x30x7" raptor machine
[17:23:53] <gregcnc_> I passed up a machine because I didn't want to spend the extra, now I'm kicking my ass for it. it was and auction, who knows what it would have ended at, but in the end it not here and not making money
[17:23:56] <malcom2073> Money well spent
[17:23:57] <Encaps> $2600 or so for 12x24x4" raptor mini machine
[17:24:22] <andypugh> Yeah, well, if it was me I would make my own from scratch. But then I have all the equipment already. So I don’t need one.
[17:24:22] <Encaps> maybe raptor mini is fine for me
[17:24:26] <Encaps> hmm
[17:25:38] <malcom2073> I can only imagine how long it'll take for you to settle on a workflow after purchasing the machine :-P
[17:26:08] <Encaps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awah4PXwAAo&t=1m30s
[17:26:17] <Encaps> I think I've figured that out
[17:26:17] <gregcnc_> and what happens when the machine doesn't make parts as perfect as you expected?
[17:26:28] <djdelorie> he explodes
[17:26:35] <Encaps> I'll feel like I wasted all of hte money
[17:27:39] <Encaps> but that enclosure
[17:27:40] <gregcnc_> that's why jobbing it out is the answer for many manufacturers
[17:27:41] <Encaps> is that hard to cute?
[17:27:49] <Encaps> cut*
[17:27:59] <malcom2073> It's abut as difficult as 3mm aluminum
[17:27:59] <Encaps> I'm picturing the cutter going through like butter
[17:28:25] <Encaps> aluminum seems soft and 3mm isnt much
[17:28:28] <Encaps> it may even be 2mm
[17:28:38] <malcom2073> Butter melts
[17:28:44] <malcom2073> melted aluminum on your cutter is no fun :P
[17:28:51] <andypugh> Encaps: Compare the speed and depth of cut between the 6040 and the Raptor. The Raptor is moving about 5x as much metal per minute.
[17:29:12] <Encaps> andypugh, but is the end result the same with only the speed differing>?
[17:29:15] <Encaps> my produvtion is small batch
[17:29:28] <malcom2073> 5x is a *lot*
[17:29:43] <malcom2073> I've had some small jobs that took 30 minutes to mill. I would hate for it to take 2.5 hours
[17:29:43] <andypugh> Keeping the chip-load up is better for tool life too.
[17:29:44] <gregcnc_> it's time you could be doing something else
[17:30:21] <Encaps> hmm
[17:30:28] <malcom2073> Though time seems to be fairly cheap to you so.... *shrug*
[17:31:08] <Encaps> would an enclosure like that take 2.5 hours?
[17:31:19] <malcom2073> Depends on your speeds, feeds, and compelxity
[17:31:22] <malcom2073> complexity*
[17:31:39] <Encaps> ok
[17:31:42] <Encaps> I need to think this over
[17:32:08] <Encaps> the raptor sounds like its the go to choice if I can live with the smaller size and I want to know I'm getting the best. also time and effort ot put it together and enclosure
[17:32:17] <Encaps> x6-2200l may be a close secondl, but with some gambling
[17:32:27] <Encaps> and maybe, 6040 is good enough
[17:32:43] <Encaps> can't rush into this decision
[17:32:51] <malcom2073> 6040 isn't really good enough for much of anything heh
[17:32:54] <gregcnc_> I don't think you've rushed
[17:42:29] <andypugh> gregcnc achieves “Elite” in understatement.
[17:42:56] * malcom2073 golfclaps for him
[17:43:28] <Encaps> malcom2073, Loetmichel might disagree
[17:43:44] <malcom2073> Encaps: Then buy one ;)
[17:43:57] <Encaps> I can't afford the possibility of regret
[17:43:59] <malcom2073> You can find at least one person for every device, that is happy with it, no matter the device
[17:44:11] <malcom2073> Just like you can find at least one person who is unhappy with every device
[17:44:42] <Encaps> the strongest positive reviews I've found are for raptor
[17:44:53] <Encaps> the worst are 6040 but mostly electronic issues
[17:44:59] <Encaps> the new box is better
[17:45:14] <Encaps> x6 is mostly positive
[17:45:49] <Encaps> its a large cost increase over 6040 but more work area than raptor
[17:45:55] <gregcnc_> the problem is you don't know what to expect in terms of results
[17:45:56] <Encaps> but maybe less quality
[17:46:00] <Encaps> but more turn key
[17:46:06] <Encaps> thats true
[17:46:50] <Encaps> I can only find pictures and video of what I'd like to achieve
[17:47:10] <gregcnc_> I dont' know if you're comparing what you think your parts will be like to somethign that came out of a $100k machining center or hand chiseled
[17:47:26] <Encaps> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/chinese-machines/303334-cnc.html?s=892f6fd4dfc40527232a8a1fe723433f
[17:47:43] <Encaps> gregcnc_, the first 3 pictures I linked in this thread I created are the results I would like
[17:48:56] <Encaps> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld3CYStmvtk
[17:48:59] <Encaps> basically I want to do this ^
[17:49:07] <Encaps> but with metal like this:
http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1r8TiIpXXXXcFXXXXq6xXFXXXX/Split-body-font-b-Extruded-b-font-font-b-Aluminum-b-font-BoxPCB-Enclosure-font-b.jpg
[17:49:19] <gregcnc_> I know a nice VMC could do that, I don't know if any of the machines you linked can, but out of all of them i'd bet my money on Raptor
[17:49:54] <Encaps> the video shows exactly what I need to do but with metal
[17:49:59] <Encaps> plus engrave labels and cut pcb
[17:50:02] <Encaps> raptor is sounding nice....
[17:50:06] <Encaps> even if its smaller
[17:50:21] <Encaps> I think he said 4.3" z clearance or so and 4" travel
[17:50:29] <Encaps> if I use split body and mill underneath
[17:50:33] <Encaps> that should be no problem like in the video
[17:50:47] <Encaps> even considering tool length and spoilboard
[17:50:56] <Encaps> but maybe for $1200 less the 6040 ebay could do this also
[17:51:01] <Encaps> then I could put that toward other expenses
[17:51:04] <andypugh> I would mill those boxes from the inside anyway.
[17:51:25] <Encaps> yeah the more I think about it the more I realize thats a better way of doing it
[17:51:49] <Encaps> fixturing would be slightly more difficult than screwing a flanged assembled box to premade threaded insert holes
[17:52:00] <Encaps> but it would require much less z and mayube a cleaner finish on the top side?
[17:52:03] <Encaps> the downside is....
[17:52:07] <Encaps> the i could engrave labels though.;...
[17:52:11] <andypugh> Toggle clamps are cheap
[17:52:11] <Encaps> I didnt think of that
[17:52:36] <Encaps> couldnt*
[17:52:51] <Encaps> true the clamps are cheap, but the lack of engraving I need to consider...
[17:52:59] <Encaps> I have to run for a bit, this decision doesnt seem so simple anymore
[17:53:02] <andypugh> Yeah, didn’t know about that requirment
[17:53:24] <andypugh> You need a wooden block inside the box then.
[17:53:39] <Encaps> andypugh,
http://goo.gl/9IBD5K
[17:53:57] <Encaps> I'd like to do work like that
[17:53:57] <Encaps> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pk0AAOSwHgVW77ne/s-l300.jpg
[17:54:00] <Encaps> on a box like this^
[17:54:15] <Encaps> end plates and also top
[17:54:22] <Encaps> up to 3" thick enclosure
[17:54:27] <Encaps> but I could use split body
[17:54:54] <andypugh> You need a 1kW+ laser :-)
[17:55:03] <Encaps> xD I looked into that
[17:55:25] <Encaps> damn, I feel like I'm back at square one
[17:55:29] <Encaps> I'll be back a bit later
[19:05:58] <Duc> hello
[19:41:12] <joem_> ugh when i first start, all my axis only move in one direction until i change direction once
[19:41:17] <joem_> then everything is fine
[20:07:20] <Duc> Odd
[20:07:25] <Duc> what is your setup
[21:00:10] <Duc> sure is quiet tonight
[21:06:07] <malcom2073> yep
[21:06:21] <Duc> and the wife is already in bed
[21:17:51] <Duc> anyone use a different rotary jog incr verus axis movement
[23:11:03] <witnit> this looks lkike it could be a good deal, too bad i already have a ton of projects going on
http://www.ebay.com/itm/R125816-Lot-6-Kollmorgen-ServoStar-Pico-Drive-3-PE201260-3-PE205260-/331830101972?hash=item4d429d87d4:g:MKgAAOSwWBJXBEWI
[23:11:34] <witnit> its listed for partsor not working but I bet, they work :)
