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[02:33:36] <Deejay> moin
[03:45:47] <enleth> Duc: I just saw on your thread that you removed one of the Z limit switches on the bridgeport. With servos, this is a very bad idea, IMO. Actually, the crash itself only happened because you did not use the limit switches as intended - to cut motor power.
[05:02:42] <XXCoder> zeeshan: wsatching your new video lol
[05:05:48] <XXCoder> huh why cut top off oin that complex way
[05:05:56] <XXCoder> because you want that funky texture?
[05:57:54] <jthornton> stupid wildblue I have a credit card on file for auto payment but they don't use it they just keep shutting my internet down and I have to call them up to pay
[06:05:51] <_methods> really sucks there arent many options for internet in rural areas
[06:06:17] <XXCoder> yeah no compeition = no reason to fix shit
[06:06:46] <jthornton> well there is a worse alternative Hughes net
[06:06:51] <_methods> lol
[06:07:12] <_methods> you can have a pile of dogshit or a bowl of dogshit
[06:07:31] <jthornton> and even though I've paid the bill the connection is limited to almost nothing
[06:07:35] <jthornton> yep
[06:08:01] <_methods> how far is the nearest fiber/cable connection?
[06:08:06] <jthornton> and 1.6 miles away runs a fiber optic cable that does nothing
[06:08:14] <XXCoder> well bowl of dogshit is portable.
[06:08:27] <_methods> piles are too
[06:08:39] <_methods> i get the portable kind on my shoes all the time
[06:08:51] <XXCoder> lol
[06:09:06] <jthornton> the neighbors huge dog leaves a huge pile in the middle of my driveway from time to time
[06:10:34] <jthornton> now I have an idiot with a chip on his shoulder to deal with who is a retired EE and expects way too much
[06:10:49] <_methods> gotta love neighbors
[06:11:15] <enleth> jthornton: build a catapult, deliver it back
[06:11:30] <jthornton> I think the dog does it because I shot him in the ass with a pellet rifle once
[06:11:40] <jthornton> I hand carry it back lol
[06:11:45] <jthornton> in a shovel
[06:11:53] <XXCoder> just eat it
[06:12:06] <XXCoder> later you can poop it out at more convient time
[06:12:09] <jthornton> a catapult does sound like a fun build
[06:12:18] <jthornton> like a beaver
[06:13:24] <enleth> jthornton: if the catapult has the bowl made ouf of a shovel, you could make it so it sits on the ground in the far back position - just cart the thing backwards to scoop up the shit, aim and fire
[06:14:38] <jthornton> that would be cool, I live in the middle of 9 acres so it would have to fly pretty far
[06:16:18] <enleth> nothing tells the neighbor to get their dog right better than shit splatters on their house
[06:16:40] <_methods> hahah
[06:16:45] <_methods> the shitapult
[06:17:00] <_methods> shittapult
[06:17:12] <_methods> or if you're in england shiteapult
[06:18:14] <_methods> jthornton is staring at his scrap material rack right now trying to figure if he has enough layin around to assemble one
[06:18:43] <jthornton> or I could just use the cannon to fire it back
[06:19:09] <_methods> freeze the piles
[06:19:11] <_methods> the fire at will
[06:44:07] <enleth> jthornton-: get a spud gun
[06:45:14] <jthornton-> you have to know that I have one
[06:46:53] <Sync> zeeshan: fun and games
[06:56:18] <Tom_itx> jthornton, good it wasn't an elephant... they remember forever
[06:59:00] <jthornton> till the ivory hunter gets them
[09:06:38] <miss0r> I am beginning to think this philips 432 controller simply cannot do an arc using radius, while working on all 3 axis. I can 'easily' use G3 to do a complete helix. but alot of the time I am ramping down on contours, and want to be more flexible. *sigh* Also, 1986'era machines are not too well documented on the internet
[09:07:52] <jdh> retrofit lcnc & mesa
[09:09:38] <miss0r> I have been seriously considering it. but money is scarse at the moment
[09:10:57] <miss0r> I don't want to have to choose between the mill and the wife... she wouldn't like the outcome ;)
[09:11:01] <jdh> have you considered making meth to support your cnc habit?
[09:12:12] <miss0r> I already do that to support my crack habit
[09:12:33] * miss0r ponders about going into pimpin'
[09:13:00] <archivist> pimp my cnc
[09:14:19] <skunkworks_> Dad pimps his cnc's...
[09:14:23] <miss0r> even there was such a show, I wouldn't take part in it. I once saw a show with 50cent(?) who did this car "pimpin'" stuff.. they mounted flatscreen monitors underneath the car, so you could watch TV while working the chassis...
[09:14:32] <jdh> I did some engraving in 316 with my G0704 the other day. it turned out surprisingly good.
[09:14:54] <skunkworks_> picts?
[09:15:15] <miss0r> luckily I still have my trusty old PNC-3100 for doing engraving'n such
[09:15:54] <jdh> didn't take any. .078 mull, .040 deep
[09:15:59] <jdh> mill
[09:17:25] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGj2wsPfZU
[09:19:19] <jdh> those z moves are really nice. looks so fluid
[09:20:10] <skunkworks_> that was before I found the .005" of backlash in z... you can see it in the cuts
[09:21:17] <gregcnc> how do you properly deal with backlash on Z, should the gibs be tight enough the head can't fall on it's own?
[09:21:46] <skunkworks_> This was bearing preload issues.. Fixed now
[09:22:26] <gregcnc> yeah i have to check mine
[09:23:32] <archivist> mine was gravity backlash removal until I remade the way the head couples the Z nut last week
[09:46:52] <maxcnc> hi heavy thunderstorm here
[09:47:03] <maxcnc> rain as hell
[09:47:10] <maxcnc> shop closed
[09:51:23] <enleth> just found this on a local auction site for what may be a decent price:
http://7.allegroimg.pl/original/12/60/65/45/23/6065452375
[09:51:58] <enleth> it's a Hardinge
[09:52:08] <enleth> no nameplate visible
[09:52:52] <enleth> $1900 or so
[09:52:54] <maxcnc> miss0r if you read the logas back the Maho Philips 432 M700 can do helix as well
[09:53:04] <maxcnc> G2 X40 Y62.5 Z-16,5 140 J40 K1,5
[09:53:12] <enleth> "good working condition"
[09:53:17] <enleth> hot or not?
[09:54:10] <maxcnc> it can also mill helix under CRC
[09:55:40] <maxcnc> % PM
[09:55:41] <maxcnc> N 10020
[09:55:43] <maxcnc> N1 G17 T1 M66 (GEWINDEFRAESER D = 20)
[09:55:44] <maxcnc> N2 X40 Y40 Z1,5 S400 M13
[09:55:45] <maxcnc> N3 G43 Y62,5
[09:55:47] <maxcnc> N4 G42 F120
[09:55:49] <maxcnc> N5 G2 X40 Y62.5 Z-16,5 140 J40 K1,5
[09:55:50] <maxcnc> N6 G40
[09:55:52] <maxcnc> N7 G1 Y40
[09:55:53] <maxcnc> N8 GO Z100 M30
[09:55:55] <maxcnc> Erlauterung :
[09:55:56] <maxcnc> N2: Startposition (Bohrungsmitte) wird angefahren.
[09:55:58] <maxcnc> N3: Mit Fraserradiuskorrektur wird bis an den Kreis angefahren.
[09:55:59] <maxcnc> N4: Fraserradiuskorrektur rechts von der Kontur wird aktiviert.
[09:56:01] <maxcnc> N5: Die Schraubenlinie mit Kreisendpunkt (X, Y) Tiefe (Z) Kreis-
[09:56:02] <maxcnc> mittelpunkt (I, J) und Steigung (K) wird ausgefuhrt.
[09:56:04] <maxcnc> N6: Radiuskorrektur wird geloscht.
[09:56:05] <maxcnc> N7: Zuriickfahren auf Bohrungsmitte.
[09:56:07] <maxcnc> N8: Werkzeugachse zuriickziehen und Programmende .
[10:00:03] <_methods> pastebin?
[10:01:48] <_methods> enleth: here that would be a good deal on that lathe
[10:02:04] <_methods> i've seen those things go for $14k, in better condition though
[10:02:24] <_methods> $1900 is a bargain though
[10:02:31] <_methods> looks like it needs a little love
[10:14:22] <enleth> just realized it doesn't seem to have a tailstock
[10:14:30] <enleth> well shit
[10:14:59] <gregcnc> HC are chuckers
[10:16:47] <gregcnc> not sure what to think
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEFtyCnLSgJ/
[10:21:11] <skunkworks_> I thought it was illegal to deface American currency..
[10:27:25] <_methods> pennies are still currency?
[10:28:28] <jdh> illegal to deface to defraud
[10:31:55] <alex_joni> nope, not only to defraud
[10:32:44] <alex_joni> According to Title 18, Chapter 17 of the U.S. Code, which sets out crimes related to coins and currency, anyone who “alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens” coins can face fines or prison time. The same goes for debasing – that is, decreasing the proportion of precious metals – in gold or silver coins struck or coined at an American mint.
[10:33:43] <djdelorie> there's an exception for mutilation not intended for fraudulent use, though
[10:35:10] <djdelorie> the title reads "anyone who fraudulently alters, ..." - you left that part out
[10:35:14] <_methods> Hi, I'm looking for tether balls for a new innovative product that I want to sell on Kick Starter. I only need the balls, not the string. I am looking to establish a long term relationship. One of the products that I helped a client of mine launch recently is currently the top selling product on Indiegogo. I will give specifics on size and logo at the time of response.
[10:35:21] <_methods> hilarious
[10:35:34] <_methods> i get email that says i'm looking for balls
[10:35:44] <djdelorie> giggity
[10:35:57] <cradek> innovative
[10:36:02] <_methods> long term relationship
[10:36:04] <_methods> with no strings
[10:36:05] <_methods> lol
[10:36:16] <alex_joni> djdelorie: might be so..
[10:36:42] <alex_joni> https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Coins/Pages/edu_faq_coins_portraits.aspx
[10:37:06] <alex_joni> that classifies them as not current or as mutilated coins, so they lose all value except metal value
[10:40:19] <CaptHindsight> didn't the value of the metals in pennies become more than the face value of the penny during the latter part of the Cheney administration?
[10:44:15] <CaptHindsight> yeah, was 2007, but it was nickels, the nickle content made them worth 7.5 cents vs the 2.5 they started at years before
[10:46:27] <CaptHindsight> and pennies minted before 1982 have a metal value 40% higher than their face value
[11:06:13] <Jymmm> 1982 was when they started plating pennies?
[11:16:12] <CaptHindsight> was when they significantly reduced the amount of copper
[11:16:33] <Jymmm> ah, and solid copper pennies?
[11:17:43] <CaptHindsight> doing something else right now but there are several historical articles on the Google
[11:19:12] <Jymmm> k, just thought you might know off the top of your head is all =)
[11:33:25] <neckro23> there must be an exception re: defacing pennies because those penny-squishing machines are everywhere
[11:35:44] <Jymmm> exception?
[11:37:43] <Jymmm> The key word here is "fraudulently"...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/331
[11:39:26] <neckro23> aha
[11:40:28] <CaptHindsight> we just used the commuter trains in the city
[11:48:01] <JT-Shop> dang can't find my K-1
[11:50:09] <skunkworks_> Leave it to a Romanian to have a better grasp of US laws than me..
[11:50:10] <skunkworks_> :)
[11:50:23] <Loetmichel2> Jymmm: which country still has solid copper change?
[11:50:31] <Loetmichel2> i know of none around .eu
[11:50:42] <Loetmichel2> all copper plated steel core
[11:55:28] <FloppyDisk> what's a K-1? A vitamin maybe...
[11:56:34] <FloppyDisk> ps - can we stop making pennies already? One Penny used to buy several bus-rides way long ago.
[11:59:01] <jdh> I generally leave them wherever I get them if I have to use cash
[12:01:27] <CaptHindsight> I epoxy them to the sidewalk outside of stock exchanges and watch the brokers fight to the death over them
[12:04:18] <Loetmichel2> CaptHindsight: s/epoxy/weld to a big nail... and then nail into the tarmac in the middle of the crossing ;)
[12:17:30] <archivist> rofl "excelent used condition"
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bench-Micrometer-0-4-by-Sigma-Instead-Co-Ltd-C-W-Mitutoyo-Dial-Gauge-vintage-/222083597517
[12:18:05] <archivist> missing parts, bodged with a dti
[12:20:12] <CaptHindsight> creative solution
[12:21:11] <archivist> not worth the price, I usually manage 20-30 pounds on ebay
[12:22:56] <archivist> with the proper indicator they are nice
[12:36:23] <maxcnc> hi
[12:36:51] <Encapsulation> hi
[12:36:58] <maxcnc> Loetmichel2: one thunderstorm after the other today
[12:36:59] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: don't even ask
[12:37:59] <Encapsulation> probably ordering x6-2200l today, the value seems unbeatable, people are getting .1mm accuracy or better, comes with everything turn key solution
[12:39:10] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: whats the weather like at your place
[12:40:22] <CaptHindsight> sunny and near 15C
[12:40:40] <maxcnc> we hit 18bevor the storm
[12:40:51] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: been a pretty snow-free and mild winter
[12:41:10] <maxcnc> same here only 3days of snow
[12:41:12] <CaptHindsight> just not above 10C much yet this spring
[12:41:30] <maxcnc> im at 49North
[12:41:35] <CaptHindsight> 20C+ this weekend finally
[12:42:25] <CaptHindsight> 42North 88W 280m elevation
[12:42:48] <maxcnc> im about 450m elv
[12:43:04] <CaptHindsight> it's pretty flat around here
[12:43:17] <maxcnc> not so here bumpy
[12:44:14] <maxcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llWrURnt7hU
[12:44:20] <maxcnc> highest point
[12:44:46] <CaptHindsight> our high points are man made
[12:45:00] <maxcnc> this is also
[12:45:07] <maxcnc> from 1066
[12:45:13] <maxcnc> 1966
[12:45:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.seechicagorealestate.com/uploads/agent-1/Chicago%20Penthouses%20For%20Sale.jpg
[12:45:52] <maxcnc> there are more people in one street as here in 200square km
[12:46:50] <CaptHindsight> I'm in Shanghai often and it's far more dense there, Chicago is a tiny place in comparison
[12:47:36] <CaptHindsight> I'm actually about 80Km outside Chicago, more like your area
[12:48:38] <CaptHindsight> at least you have 1000 years of culture to explore, we mostly have just places to shop
[12:52:22] <mase-tech> Hi everybody
[12:54:50] <maxcnc> wie gehts was macht das wetter schon gewitter da oben
[12:54:59] <maxcnc> hier hats die FH fast verblasen
[12:56:07] <mase-tech> CaptHindsight: A lot more than that. From pre roman time till ww2 you can find everything.
[12:56:43] <mase-tech> Hallo hier sind auch einige Gewitter über Frankfurt niedergegangen
[13:06:00] <jdh> anyone have a national microfilm association gothic microfont?
[13:06:21] <jdh> as referenced in ansi y14.2
[13:06:27] <Jymmm> Uh.... Yeah, got that right here!
[13:08:24] <Jymmm> jdh:
http://www.fontspace.com/micronus/y145m-2009
[13:08:50] <Jymmm> jdh: direct
http://www.fontspace.com/download/9006/862de5cd3f6f417f9e56e9d12fa58f5d/micronus_y145m-2009.zip
[13:09:31] <jdh> that one is way newer
[13:09:52] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlOrkt0Be2E
[13:10:31] <jdh> this one has an incomplete 3 at the bottom and O and Q are egg shaped
[13:11:41] <Jymmm> The font table pdf looks good
[13:12:54] <Jymmm> jdh: as does this charmap
http://www.fontspace.com/micronus/y145m-2009/13390.charmap
[13:13:39] <jdh> looks like a better font, but not the one I need
[13:15:10] <Jymmm> jdh: Ask whoever sent you the shitty file, to send over the shitty font too ;)
[13:17:48] <Jymmm> It's actually not an unreasonable request.
[13:20:53] <Jymmm> jdh: BTW...
http://www.cad-notes.com/what-is-the-standard-font-height-and-type/
[13:22:17] <Jymmm> jdh: Is this the shitty font you need?
https://cstools.asme.org/csconnect/Filedownload.cfm?thisfile=40069.ttf&dir=CommitteeFiles&42472.5803356
[13:22:24] <jdh> 1973 version Y14.2 spec
[13:22:42] <Jymmm> Oh, WOW
[13:22:47] <Jymmm> that was 1994 btw
[13:23:17] <Jymmm> jdh: maybe one of these at the bottom?
https://cstools.asme.org/csconnect/CommitteePages.cfm?Committee=C64041150&Action=40068
[13:24:28] <Jymmm> jdh: Maybe he might have it if you ask him
http://p-00-kanold.com/?page_id=7
[13:26:58] <maxcnc> Gn8
[13:29:05] <Jymmm> jdh:
http://generalcadd.prophpbb.com/topic101.html
[13:30:01] <jdh> still too new
[13:31:03] <Jymmm> Well, that's it. Maybe pull out your time machine from where you got that drawing =)
[13:36:22] <archivist> or get out the cheque book and pay for the font
[13:37:27] <jdh> I can find no seller
[13:42:33] <archivist> I do remember an irc user that seemed to collect fonts but /whois gave me a No such nick/channel
[13:43:29] <jdh> the references I see refer to it being used freehand for docs that would be microfilmed
[13:47:39] <Encapsulation> It's order day!!!
[13:47:49] <Encapsulation> I'll be back in a bit, making my final preparations
[13:48:50] <_methods> https://empireherald.com/cinnamon-roll-can-explodes-inside-mans-butt-during-shoplifting-incident/
[13:50:12] <Encapsulation> not real
[13:50:19] <Encapsulation> still somewhat humorous
[13:51:12] <Simonious> so.. I've got an old machine, two parallel ports, a little documentation - I would like a display screen that shows lights next to what EMC2 thinks each pin is, so I can toggle them in turn and confirm that things are setup correctly - is this a thing?
[13:51:40] <archivist> Simonious, it is built in :)
[13:51:46] <Simonious> archivist: explain
[13:51:49] <Simonious> or link me..
[13:52:08] <jdh> menu choice in axis
[13:52:25] <archivist> and
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halshow.html
[13:53:31] <archivist> and later you may want halscope
[13:55:10] <jdh> something that parsed your hal and generated a panel of discretes would be cool
[14:01:49] <archivist> you would have too many probably
[15:56:22] <Loetmichel2> *MUHAHA* i found an old "half" notebook in my junkpile while cleaning up... that beast still works... now: how to get win3.11 on that? Diskette drive still works, i can boot a win98 boot diskette i found... but i have no floppy images of 3.11 or dos 3.3 :-( ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16235&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[15:56:31] <Loetmichel2> (no idea where the Display went tho ;)
[15:56:59] <witnit> win? you mean like microsoft?
[15:57:15] <CaptHindsight> there are old copies floating around
[15:57:16] <cradek> Loetmichel2: minix
[15:57:18] <Loetmichel2> yes
[15:57:23] <witnit> floppix
[15:57:24] <witnit> :)
[15:57:42] <CaptHindsight> freedos
[15:57:59] <CaptHindsight> some sites even have downloads :)
[15:58:12] <cradek> CaptHindsight: can you install freedos without booting from cd?
[15:58:46] <CaptHindsight> cradek: used to off flash
[15:59:17] <cradek> yeah, same as cd - but he just has floppy
[15:59:26] <CaptHindsight> been years so I don't recall all the ways that worked and what didn't
[15:59:58] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: what IO is still there? just floppy?
[16:00:25] <Loetmichel2> floppy, lpt port, PCMCIA
[16:00:31] <Loetmichel2> serial
[16:00:39] <CaptHindsight> PCMCIA should make it easy
[16:00:48] <cradek> heh, how?
[16:01:54] <CaptHindsight> bootable PCMCIA
[16:02:14] <cradek> bet there's no such thing on this
[16:03:19] <CaptHindsight> I have an open bios kit from the 80's :)
[16:03:31] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: is it a 386?
[16:03:55] <Loetmichel2> 486 DX2 66
[16:03:58] <unfy> slackware 3.x on floppies ?
[16:04:07] <unfy> that's what i started with in the mid to late 90's
[16:04:15] <cradek> freebsd 4.11
[16:04:27] <unfy> enjoy the 2.0 kernel ._.
[16:04:48] <unfy> a modern dos or a light bsd (netbsd) is prolly your best bet
[16:05:06] <CaptHindsight> uwe_ found an older x86 laptop and had an Elks kernel running on it, think it was an 8086 or one of the NEC extended 8086 cpu's
[16:06:20] <mase-tech> I had very good experience with puppy linux
[16:07:29] <witnit> PLOP is a VERY good floppy disk boot loader, thought your machine doesnt have USB ports on slightly newer ones which do have usb but no usb boot option this is REALLY good
https://www.plop.at/en/ploplinux/index.html
[16:07:46] <witnit> puppy linux was good :), I think I switched to slax at one point tho
[16:08:00] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: did the laptop ever have a hard drive?
[16:09:35] <cradek> it says it has one
[16:09:43] <Loetmichel2> CaptHindsight: i managed to get Lubuntu 14.04 running on a Thinkpad 600E
[16:09:48] <Loetmichel2> any questions?
[16:09:48] <cradek> maybe it's 32 MB?
[16:10:07] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16011&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[16:10:13] <Loetmichel2> its 16mb,
[16:10:17] <Loetmichel2> the chicony
[16:10:48] <Loetmichel2> CaptHindsight: i managed to get a ide44pin to SDcard adapter running in there
[16:10:53] <Loetmichel2> the disk was missing
[16:11:07] <mase-tech> As I made my thesis I meassured some very thin polymeres for oleds with a dektak. the dektak was connected to a windows "antike" system. The meassurement data was so big that I cound not use a floppy disk. So I conneced usb and bootet with puppy. I was a blast
[16:11:47] <CaptHindsight> mase-tech: what's a dektak?
[16:12:07] <mase-tech> surface profiler
[16:12:11] <joem_> hmmm.. hsm wants to know the flute length of my face mill
[16:12:18] <joem_> but my face mill uses 45 degree inserts
[16:12:48] <joem_> the insert tip's diameter maybe?
[16:13:47] <DaViruz> i guess that setting would be used as "max allowable depth of cut"?
[16:14:09] <joem_> yeah
[16:17:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Floppy-Drive-Emulator-Emulator-Keep-Install/dp/B0083Z29JO
[16:17:34] <XXCoder> that is nice
[16:17:47] <CaptHindsight> $26, I recall spending thousands back in the day
[16:18:36] <XXCoder> there is black version too
[16:18:38] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: ^^
[16:18:45] <XXCoder> at $15 more for some reasobn
[16:19:08] <CaptHindsight> for the black pigment to add to the plastic
[16:19:27] <CaptHindsight> and then you have to clean out the molding machine to go back to white :)
[16:20:15] <XXCoder> black version has very bad reviews
[16:20:50] <CaptHindsight> white version supremacists?
[16:21:21] <XXCoder> whats odd is other black version has more reviews and better than whtie one
[16:22:41] <CaptHindsight> the bad reviews are from the guys selling the white version
[16:23:14] <XXCoder> how did you figure that
[16:23:28] <CaptHindsight> lucky guess
[16:23:52] <XXCoder> lol
[16:31:11] <JT-Shop> dang got my taxes done almost a week early... bad news I don't owe anything
[16:33:00] <gregcnc> capthindsight how do we get china to knock off a 2" anglock vise instead of making more of those $50 screwless vises
[16:35:49] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: figure out some way for them to sell/market it
[16:36:17] <CaptHindsight> they will make anything that sells
[16:36:31] <CaptHindsight> that they can figure out how to make
[16:36:34] <gregcnc> sure if i ordered 50 i'm sure i could get what I want
[16:37:20] <unfy> jt: i had forgot about taxes as well. i still need to redo a w-4 so they take less out from day job ._. so yeah getting a refund.
[16:38:56] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: it's a good time there to make new things, their economy is down since the worlds spenders don't purchase as much anymore
[16:39:26] <CaptHindsight> the world is currently saturated with crap that people can afford
[16:39:46] <gregcnc> I'll have to check my contacts to see if they know any tool makers
[16:40:45] <gregcnc> i don't know how anyone makes money on a $50 vise
[16:42:12] <CaptHindsight> most of the US to China offshoring is already done
[16:42:54] <CaptHindsight> in fact people like Warrent Buffet are actually trying to reshore several businesses
[16:43:07] <CaptHindsight> since Chinese wages have gone up
[16:43:26] <unfy> what was the jobs related headlines last week ? the numbers are all b.s. anyway ... but something like US lost a bunch of manufacturing jobs but picked up some retail jobs etc
[16:43:40] <CaptHindsight> all made up
[16:43:56] <gregcnc> yeah a lot of china tooling has been creeping up. i don't know if it's cost or they figured out people will still pay because it's still cheaper
[16:43:58] <CaptHindsight> or they don't count people no longer looking for work
[16:43:59] <unfy> i know, but when even the made up numbers show a trend... heh
[16:44:31] <unfy> capt: every president in at least the last 35-40 years has recalculated how unemployment numbers work. *shrug* ... all b.s. anyway.
[16:44:56] <unfy> but, i will say - trying to find local stores that sell things to people who are trying to MAKE things is difficult.
[16:45:50] <unfy> even something that's labeled as a 'here make things' store such as hobby lobby - contains a lot of pre-fab kits and such. not so much the raw tools and materials.
[16:46:39] <CaptHindsight> unfy: well if you get to basic with the raw materials and tools you quickly run out of people skilled enough to make something
[16:46:47] <gregcnc> specialization of labor
[16:47:05] <CaptHindsight> hobby shops were all over when I was a kid
[16:47:15] <unfy> capt: yeah, i imagine the client base is tiny. much like how radio shack only had parts be a tiny corner of the store in the past 20 years etc
[16:47:17] <gregcnc> most people don't want to get dirty, it's easier to buy it
[16:47:40] <CaptHindsight> or they don't have time working 3 minimum wage jobs
[16:47:53] <CaptHindsight> or 70 hour a week salaried positions
[16:48:14] <CaptHindsight> who has free time anymore?
[16:49:04] <unfy> a cd with rush - working man has found it's way into my player for drive to/from work the past week :D
[16:57:20] <CaptHindsight> Fly by Night was great album, well they hardly had any bad ones
[16:58:16] <CaptHindsight> Working Man was on Rush
[16:59:10] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_%28Rush_album%29
[17:00:00] <unfy> rush is either like or don't like... soooo heh
[17:00:31] <JT-Shop> I like moving pictures
[17:03:28] <Deejay> gn8
[17:27:55] <joem_> sanity check?
https://i.imgur.com/gfeAuDj.png
[17:28:37] <_methods> way slow
[17:28:57] <joem_> 1hp motor
[17:29:06] <joem_> but i wasn't able to enter that anywhere
[17:29:14] <_methods> well if that's all your setup can handle then that's all yo ucan use
[17:29:26] <CaptHindsight> started out as just a Metal band and then really showed off their musical abilities leaving Pop/Metal/Hard Rock fans behind and puzzled at times
[17:29:37] <_methods> but you should be around 1000 sfm for alum with carbide endmill
[17:29:42] <_methods> assuming 2fl CEM
[17:30:16] <_methods> or 3fl
[17:31:40] <joem_> hmmmm
[17:32:14] <_methods> but most hobby machines wont' get you anywhere near those speeds or feeds
[17:32:17] <joem_> looks like RPM is limiting me
[17:32:24] <joem_> (and, by association, power)
[17:32:30] <gregcnc> you adjust DOC and WOC and make sure you don't exceed HP avilable and cutter strenght
[17:32:53] <joem_> at around 15krpm will that result in 981 sfm
[17:32:58] <_methods> yep
[17:33:06] <joem_> i have 2000rpm max, and no cooling (yet) hehe
[17:33:11] <gregcnc> G0704?
[17:33:14] <joem_> ya
[17:33:33] <_methods> yeah so you should just find a happy medium that doesn't gall up your flutes
[17:34:11] <joem_> i was told this machine like faster feed rates with less woc
[17:35:30] <gregcnc> nothing you can do about RPM, but you can definitely cut deeper. I was cutting a pocket with a 2FL 1/4 in aluminum >5/8" at .02"WOC
[17:36:22] <joem_> at what rpm?
[17:36:41] <gregcnc> 4k RPM and 800mm/m
[17:38:08] <joem_> ah ok
[17:38:30] <gregcnc> if I had 2k it would just be 400mm/m and take twice as long
[17:40:05] <joem_> well then
[17:40:39] <joem_> i used those parameters, .625 doc, .02 woc, 2000rpm, and ended up with a feed rate of 17.12in/min, or a little over 430mm/min
[17:40:49] <joem_> so fswizard isn't completely dumb :)
[17:40:55] <gregcnc> yeah it's not magic
[17:41:06] <joem_> whats the worst that can happen
[17:41:35] <gregcnc> pocket or external?
[17:41:47] <joem_> external
[17:41:51] <joem_> but i will have pocket operations
[17:42:21] <gregcnc> external is easy. pocket you ahve to get the endmill to the bottom of the hole first then watch the chips
[17:42:47] <gregcnc> so either drill, or helical mill to the bottom
[17:42:51] <joem_> yeah, helix plunge, but at what speed
[17:42:58] <joem_> slow hehe
[17:43:02] <gregcnc> same rpm half the feed
[17:43:19] <joem_> calculated based on a 100% woc, of course
[17:43:20] <gregcnc> 1-2° helix
[17:44:10] <gregcnc> with three flutes you'll want to drill
[17:44:17] <joem_> orly
[17:44:22] <joem_> good to know
[17:44:26] <gregcnc> but you might get away with it
[17:44:37] <joem_> i have other drills, bigger than my 1/4" end mill, so
[17:44:39] <joem_> no prob
[17:45:00] <joem_> er other drillable holes
[17:45:07] <joem_> and then one pocket that i can thru drill
[17:45:37] <joem_> for helix plunging with a end mill, is 4 flute better?
[17:46:06] <gregcnc> no, less flutes is better, the chips need somewhere to go
[17:46:11] <joem_> ahhh ok
[17:46:22] <joem_> if it matters, 45 degree helix for evacuating chips quicker
[17:46:37] <joem_> i have some HSS+Tn 2 flutes with tighter helix
[17:46:46] <joem_> but, they're china special
[17:46:54] <joem_> this 3fl is my only quality end mill :)
[17:50:05] <gregcnc> i've done three before, but on my frankenmill which I usually have a vacuum to eat chips faster than the machine makes them, even at 15kRPM
[18:26:46] <joem_> gregcnc, darn, fswizonline doesn't recomend climb/conventional
[18:26:55] * joem_ guesses climb
[18:27:03] <joem_> because i love seeing chips fly out from the cutting edge and material
[18:27:11] <joem_> as it travels along it's path
[18:27:33] * joem_ guesses conventional
[18:27:42] <joem_> becuse i may not be able to evac the chips fast enough?
[18:29:00] <JT-Shop> nothing like a glass of dry red and Joe Walsh
[18:29:10] <joem_> that sounds much fancier than me
[18:29:28] <joem_> nothin like a pint of homebrew and an episode of better call saul
[18:30:25] <JT-Shop> speaking of brew
http://gnipsel.com/beer/beer.html
[18:30:41] <joem_> yay!
[18:31:46] <JT-Shop> looks like I need to update my home page lol
[18:32:41] <JT-Shop> I do like the home page :)
[18:33:06] <JT-Shop> beer page is cool too
[18:33:29] * JT-Shop goes to watch the pet deer eat dinner
[19:21:49] <CaptHindsight> is home distilling legal anywhere outside the US besides places like Somalia?
[19:24:51] <unfy> might be in the UK, not sure
[19:25:36] <unfy> a google thing immediately hits to:
http://homedistiller.org/intro/legal
[19:31:57] <unfy> i really need to get my dinky little machine on a desk in garage and play with it for a while.... to decide if to build a better machine... or build a bigger machinebetter machine... or both .... or buy a better machine etc ._.
[19:32:30] <malcom2073> What machine ya got?
[19:32:38] <unfy> 2x4's and bubble gum
[19:32:56] <malcom2073> Hey, when you're at rock bottom, anything is up :)
[19:33:11] <unfy> this was the 'quit fucking around with the design and just build something' scenario
[19:33:17] <unfy> so i did.
[19:34:13] <djdelorie> even my machine isn't made of 2x4's... ;-)
[19:34:20] <unfy> bottom mount drawer slides (relatively no play compared to regular full extension side mount slides), some nema17 70-70ozin, 5/16 all thread, T nuts, 2x4's, 1x4's.
[19:34:52] <malcom2073> Nice heh
[19:35:00] <unfy> a trim router with 1/4->1/8 collet adapter...
[19:35:04] <malcom2073> It's a start!
[19:35:25] <unfy> it's... well, it moves. and don't bind
[19:35:48] <unfy> (70-80oz-in, typo)
[19:36:51] <unfy> but yeah, it's a start. it was relatively inexpensive, etc. the nema17's were supposed to be just messing around motors... not for this project etc heh
[19:37:15] <unfy> i'll have to price the build. i'm willing to bet sub $200 in total.
[19:39:31] <gregcnc> joem_ that last job i ran climb and recut a ton of chips, but again it was two flute
[19:39:32] <unfy> dj: you do the T8 threaded rod, and sbr supported rails stuff from china or ?
[19:40:13] <djdelorie> Having trouble parsing that...
[19:40:13] <joem_> gregcnc, yeah i decided to use the hss 2 flute for roughing then i'll finish with the carbide 3fl
[19:41:03] <unfy> sorry, busy at work and hair brained
[19:41:06] <djdelorie> my X and Y use ball screws and end-supported rails, my Z uses 3/8-16 threaded rod and some cheap metal rounds
[19:42:09] <djdelorie> I have no idea where it all came from (except the 3/8-16) as my friend brought it over from his house.
[19:42:22] <unfy> k
[19:42:30] <unfy> that answers my question :D
[19:42:54] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2502.html
[19:43:07] <djdelorie> better:
http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2503.html
[19:43:27] <djdelorie> Z:
http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2533.html
[19:43:47] <djdelorie> Y:
http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2529.html
[19:43:58] <djdelorie> (although I need to swap X and Y)
[19:44:11] <djdelorie> (meaning I need to move where the origin of the build platform is)
[20:13:17] <Encapsulation> so close
[20:13:29] <jdh> so is the moon.
[20:14:08] <gregcnc> are the enclosures done yet?
[20:15:04] <malcom2073> Encapsulation: What'd you buy?
[20:36:42] <jdh> that's pretty funny
