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[00:50:16] <pink_vampire> ?
[00:51:14] <XXCoder> yo
[01:32:08] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we4DU6CZKfU&feature=youtu.be
[01:32:15] <XXCoder> hm little bit dim
[01:32:33] <XXCoder> gonna love overly bright flashlights though lol
[01:40:14] <XXCoder> https://hackaday.io/project/8171-everymans-turbomolecular-pump
[01:40:23] <XXCoder> hard vacuum for home hobbists
[01:44:50] <FloppyDisk> cool...
[01:45:02] <XXCoder> its still at early stages
[01:45:18] <XXCoder> but yeah if he is successful, we will have cheap hard vacuum pump
[01:45:28] <XXCoder> great for say alum plating for example
[01:45:44] <FloppyDisk> yup, but gotta start somewhere. There's some wicked smart people about, hats off.
[01:49:37] <XXCoder> indeed
[01:49:47] <pink_vampire> the cnc is back again with new computer
[01:49:50] <XXCoder> I plan to play around with Telsa's one way pump
[01:50:04] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: your old computer controller died?
[01:50:15] <pink_vampire> cpu burn
[01:50:50] <pink_vampire> is was very old computer
[01:51:03] <XXCoder> hmm that would help on latency
[01:51:13] <XXCoder> that new pc.
[01:52:22] <pink_vampire> it's also old :)
[01:52:34] <pink_vampire> P4 2.8 ghz with 1gb ram
[01:52:51] <XXCoder> lol ok
[02:04:35] <XXCoder> FloppyDisk:
https://youtu.be/RbDe5dEu07I
[02:05:06] <XXCoder> pretty powerful but not successful.
[02:05:12] <XXCoder> leaves hell of a tracks too
[02:07:00] <XXCoder> ford.
https://youtu.be/rn5jkXEFTZ4
[02:10:05] <XXCoder> funny thing though
[02:10:14] <XXCoder> the ford version klooks like 2 dilios I guess
[02:15:46] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: check the old ad out
[02:15:50] <XXCoder> pretty ancient.
[02:15:54] <XXCoder> 1910s
[02:16:39] <pink_vampire> I'm working on some part
[02:18:17] <XXCoder> cool
[02:25:50] <Deejay> moin
[02:27:37] <XXCoder> hey
[02:27:57] <miss0r> hello
[02:47:28] <XXCoder> miss0r: I finally found the fuse, its intact
[02:47:51] <XXCoder> so I plan to do more complex test to see if it is wiring harness thats broken, or o2 sensor itself
[02:49:20] <pink_vampire> what fuse?
[02:49:32] <XXCoder> van 10A fuse
[02:49:42] <XXCoder> it was visually fine, and I also tested with multimeter
[02:49:48] <XXCoder> 0 ohm resistance
[02:58:07] <miss0r> hmm. Then you also need to take a good look at your vacuum system
[02:58:16] <XXCoder> indeed.
[03:15:37] <XXCoder> anyway
[03:15:51] <XXCoder> the tests is pretty strightforard, its location thats bit of a toughie
[03:16:05] <XXCoder> just check if harness supply 12v and ground
[03:16:18] <XXCoder> then turn around and check o2 if resistance is less than infinity ohm
[03:18:15] <pink_vampire> why do you want to make vacuum system??
[03:18:32] <XXCoder> oh my earlier link. I dont, not really. but thought it cool
[03:22:26] <XXCoder> miss0r: shes tlaking about beginnings of homebrew hard vacuum system project
[03:23:04] <XXCoder> this one.
https://hackaday.io/project/8171-everymans-turbomolecular-pump
[03:24:12] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you remember the name of that one way valve invented by Telsa?
[03:24:30] <XXCoder> oh found it
[03:24:37] <XXCoder> telsa valve lol
[03:24:50] <pink_vampire> it's not rally a one way valve
[03:25:07] <pink_vampire> just act like one way
[03:25:09] <XXCoder> yeah its impossible to have true one way valve with no sealing stuff
[03:25:23] <XXCoder> though I bet its easy to add valve after it
[03:25:35] <XXCoder> so it stops remaining tiny low pressure
[03:28:44] <miss0r> you say what what now? (busy not breaking my new mill)
[03:29:10] <XXCoder> one guy is working on cheap hobby method to create hard vacuum
[03:29:27] <XXCoder> as required for some stuff, like alum coating
[03:30:01] <pink_vampire> after cutting the part I find a way to make it smaller and better.
[03:30:13] <XXCoder> yah? what was changes?
[03:31:21] <pink_vampire> insted of 6 sides 12 sides
[03:35:01] <XXCoder> so design was bit flexiable
[03:38:58] <pink_vampire> and I'm thinking about using 1mm instead of the 1.27mm
[03:40:15] <XXCoder> man sometimes I wish I has a lathe cnc or mill cnc not router
[03:40:20] <XXCoder> I wanna stirling motor lol
[03:40:36] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: 1 mm width part? or did you mean tool?
[03:40:52] <pink_vampire> the 3 holes on the sides
[03:40:56] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[03:45:16] <miss0r> *sigh* transferring g-code at 2400bps is just ridiculous
[03:46:13] <miss0r> XXCoder, don't be fooled - routers have some advantages over mills.
[03:46:25] <miss0r> workarea/footprint is one
[03:47:06] <miss0r> I wish my mill could do the rpm of a router. that would make fine details alot faster to do
[03:48:12] <XXCoder> actually all types I stated has advanges
[03:48:28] <XXCoder> why is your gcode transfer so slow?
[03:48:39] <XXCoder> my first modem was 2400 bps lol
[03:48:44] <miss0r> the controller is from '86....
[03:48:52] <XXCoder> 1 mb was hours long download
[03:49:15] <miss0r> and I transfer via serial. and 1mb ? woah slow down there stud... It doesn't have that crazy size memory!
[03:49:39] <XXCoder> lol
[03:49:50] <XXCoder> 1992 gonna lovr that
[03:49:58] <miss0r> I think it has 300kb memory
[03:50:12] <miss0r> now to do the first ever cut(for me) on the mill.. wish me luch
[03:50:14] <miss0r> with a k
[03:50:17] <XXCoder> if thats the case its similiar with old fadal at work
[03:50:33] <XXCoder> though its serial connection is quite faster
[03:50:41] <XXCoder> not sure why yours is so slow
[03:50:59] <XXCoder> fadal 88, think made in 1988 to whatever
[03:54:26] <miss0r> fsck! I forgot that this machine needs a G command in EACH line.... back to post processor editing
[03:54:39] <XXCoder> doh
[03:54:46] <XXCoder> gonna love machine quirks
[03:54:53] <XXCoder> I hate old okuma at work
[03:55:08] <XXCoder> if it has say tool 1, and it processes t1m6
[03:55:10] <XXCoder> it will error
[03:56:07] <miss0r> same here... Like; I can't have M8 is coolant is already active - that will cause hault
[03:56:39] <XXCoder> I dont get those errors
[03:57:01] <miss0r> LinuxCNC doesnt do that... I should realy toss this controller and add linuxcnc
[03:57:04] <XXCoder> I dont see problem of setting tool to 1 when already 1, just get to ready to change position then go down and use tool
[03:57:24] <XXCoder> same for that m6 error, dude its already on, stop worrying about it
[03:57:26] <yasnak> i should try sleeping sometime ;/
[03:57:39] <miss0r> ...overrated
[03:57:41] <pink_vampire> what is the best brand for leds
[03:57:43] <pink_vampire> ??
[03:57:52] <XXCoder> not china brand
[03:57:58] <XXCoder> besides that dunno
[04:01:51] <miss0r> P02 error agian.....
[04:01:57] * miss0r 's brain hurts
[04:02:07] <XXCoder> honestly pink_vampire most leds will work just fine
[04:02:24] <XXCoder> chinese makes em fine, just that they suck hard on assembling led products
[04:02:50] <pink_vampire> I've order from ebay few types - all of them just junk.
[04:03:08] <XXCoder> if it was assembled, like car lights then yeah
[04:03:38] <pink_vampire> I mean pack of leds.
[04:03:46] <pink_vampire> I need smd
[04:03:58] <XXCoder> surface mount diodes?
[04:04:02] <pink_vampire> yes
[04:04:06] <pink_vampire> the smallest.
[04:04:20] <pink_vampire> green
[04:04:21] <XXCoder> whats wrong with standard diodes? heh
[04:04:30] <pink_vampire> huge
[04:04:37] <pink_vampire> and also m1 tap
[04:04:40] <XXCoder> there is tin ones
[04:04:42] <XXCoder> tiny
[04:04:47] <pink_vampire> or smaller.
[04:05:23] <pink_vampire> the part is 5mm high
[04:05:34] <pink_vampire> I'm tying to make it 4
[04:08:03] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/3mm-LED-Bulb-Blue-Pack/dp/B003KWN796
[04:08:04] <XXCoder> 3 mm
[04:08:15] <XXCoder> though this is blue version Im sure you can find green one
[04:08:45] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/CHANZON%C2%AE-100pcs-colors-Emitting-Assorted/dp/B01AUI4W5U/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1460364158&sr=1-1&keywords=green+led+diode+3+mm
[04:08:55] <XXCoder> 100 of one color for 7 bucks basically lol
[04:09:50] <XXCoder> geez
http://www.amazon.com/Assorted-Clear-Emitting-Diodes-Colors/dp/B00UWBJM0Q/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1460364158&sr=1-3&keywords=green+led+diode+3+mm
[04:10:06] <XXCoder> 300 in 2 sizes (3 mm, 5 mm) 5 colors, 13 bucks lol
[04:10:17] <XXCoder> yes including green
[04:10:58] <XXCoder> 50 3 mm led holders not even $6
http://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Metal-Mounting-Holder-Pieces/dp/B00YCEZJW4/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1460364284&sr=1-1&keywords=3+mm+led+diode+holder
[04:11:09] <XXCoder> you has lots options really
[04:11:48] <pink_vampire> I want to get them from mouser
[04:11:50] <XXCoder> 10 bucks for better looking chrome type
[04:12:05] <XXCoder> mouser definitely better company to buy em
[04:12:08] <XXCoder> more realiable
[04:12:40] <pink_vampire> I need 12V psu, 5V psu, the smallest green ldes, optocuplers,
[04:13:25] <pink_vampire> the leds have to be surface mount
[04:13:44] <XXCoder> have to build a circuit board with em eh
[04:13:47] <miss0r> I'm having some serious issues with arcs :-/
[04:16:38] <XXCoder> g1 and g2?
[04:17:05] <pink_vampire> yes it's for a circuit that I'm build.
[04:33:21] <pink_vampire> omg
[04:33:30] <pink_vampire> I have better Idea
[04:33:38] <MattyMatt_> XXcoder, remember Radio Shack prices? :)
[04:33:39] <pink_vampire> to make it even smaller
[04:33:53] <XXCoder> MattyMatt_: didnt buy much from radio hack but yeah
[04:34:48] <XXCoder> strunk rays, pink_vampire ? ;)
[04:35:12] <pink_vampire> I'm going to cancel the top part.
[04:35:42] <MattyMatt_> the leds in these e-cigs are tiny
[04:35:59] <MattyMatt_> too small to desolder I bet
[04:36:02] <XXCoder> mouser probably have dang tiny ones
[04:36:32] <XXCoder> probably so tiny touching pile of em means some gets injected to blood ;)
[04:37:10] <MattyMatt_> http://www.amazon.com/80Pcs-color-Super-bright-Color/dp/B00GGBD18A/
[04:37:19] <MattyMatt_> 0603, small enough?
[04:37:35] <XXCoder> thats not at mouser
[04:38:13] <MattyMatt_> that's a good thing for some people. amazon express account etc
[04:38:38] <MattyMatt_> amazon prime, whatever
[04:38:41] <XXCoder> I know, she specifically said mouser so yeah
[04:43:32] <MattyMatt_> miss0r, what's the problem w your arcs?
[04:43:46] <XXCoder> miss0r left
[04:44:02] <MattyMatt_> oya
[04:49:31] <pink_vampire> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/244/SML-LX0402GC-TR-112424.pdf
[04:50:11] <XXCoder> is units mm?
[04:50:30] <XXCoder> ah it is
[04:51:12] <XXCoder> pretty dang small indeed
[04:52:54] <XXCoder> just checked out steppers. wow price is bit high. usa made probably
[04:53:39] <XXCoder> $37 for nema 8 cheapest lol
[04:54:05] <mase-tech> Good morning everbody
[04:54:11] <mase-tech> +y
[04:54:11] <XXCoder> hey
[05:02:40] <pink_vampire> ok, from 8x8mm to 4x3mm
[05:05:23] <XXCoder> per led area?
[05:07:13] <mase-tech> Is this good enough to drive nema 17 steppers ?
[05:07:20] <mase-tech> http://www.amazon.de/Stepper-Driver-Adapter-Breakout-USB-Kabel/dp/B00SWO2OUU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1460367665&sr=8-5&keywords=breakout+board
[05:08:29] <XXCoder> dunno but look at your nema 17 power requirements
[05:08:37] <XXCoder> and see if this can handle
[05:10:37] <XXCoder> also suggest look up more information on how those controllers work
[05:11:46] <mase-tech> I am too fucking lazy , meh
[05:11:49] <mase-tech> :D
[05:11:53] <XXCoder> lol
[05:14:46] <malcom2073> Haha wow
[05:28:12] <pink_vampire> I''m wandering what is better
[05:28:20] <pink_vampire> 1mm ball or 2mm ball
[05:28:41] <malcom2073> 1mm is better at being smaller than the 2mm, which is better at being larger
[05:28:57] <pink_vampire> I mean probe tip
[05:29:25] <malcom2073> I'd imagine the 1mm ball is important if you need to get to spaces too small for the 2mm ball to get to?
[05:30:00] <pink_vampire> I can get 1 to 10mm ball tip
[05:30:11] <pink_vampire> what size is better?
[05:30:40] <pink_vampire> what 10m ball can do that you can't do with 1mm??
[05:33:07] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: XXCoder??
[05:33:12] <malcom2073> No clue
[05:33:24] <XXCoder> me eitehr, I have never used probes myself.
[05:33:55] <pink_vampire> it's the best thing ever happened to my cnc
[05:34:11] <XXCoder> doubt my boss will ever approve one
[05:34:29] <XXCoder> if they did, it would be only for million$ machines not old ones I usually operate at
[05:36:33] <pink_vampire> my current probe is made from discs of acrylic with 1/2" metal shaft that press fit inside.
[05:37:03] <pink_vampire> the tip it's just a 1/8" ball bearing on brass shaft
[05:37:40] <pink_vampire> and after calibration I can get 0.01mm accuracy.
[05:38:00] <pink_vampire> it's make the setup on the machine very easy.
[05:39:26] <XXCoder> I bet yeah
[05:39:41] <XXCoder> I doubt I will ever need one for my machine
[05:39:48] <XXCoder> .1mm is fine for me
[05:40:23] <pink_vampire> it's like edge finder.
[05:40:54] <XXCoder> yeah much easier version
[05:41:01] <XXCoder> just move till it lights up?
[05:41:10] <XXCoder> or do computer do task?
[05:42:17] <pink_vampire> the controller move until it get a signal from the probe
[05:42:55] <XXCoder> interesting, then you subtract radius of probe sphere I suppose
[05:43:06] <XXCoder> or adjust correct direction whatever it is
[05:51:14] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: did you know someone used probe to create engraves that can be done on curved surface?
[05:51:22] <XXCoder> err brb
[05:51:40] <pink_vampire> yes I know
[05:51:54] <pink_vampire> it' s called digitizing
[05:55:21] <XXCoder> back
[05:55:21] <XXCoder> no
[05:55:29] <XXCoder> it is but it isnt
[05:55:42] <XXCoder> it adjusts engrave so its nice and even across curved surface
[05:55:49] <XXCoder> it alters gcode
[05:56:03] <XXCoder> its not converting touch data into 3d model
[05:56:39] <XXCoder> found it. pink_vampire
http://hackaday.com/2014/07/31/milling-curved-objects-with-a-g-code-ripper/
[05:56:50] <XXCoder> see the milled icon on mouse?
[05:56:55] <XXCoder> plus read rest
[05:57:30] <XXCoder> wtach videos too, very ointeresting
[05:58:41] <pink_vampire> he use just a push button!!
[05:58:45] <pink_vampire> WTF@!!!!
[05:58:57] <XXCoder> well yeah that part is simple. complex part is software.
[05:59:50] <pink_vampire> no
[05:59:55] <pink_vampire> it's not
[06:00:56] <XXCoder> it is
[06:01:00] <XXCoder> more details
http://www.scorchworks.com/Blog/auto-probing-with-g-code-ripper/
[06:02:24] <XXCoder> dang that is awesome
http://www.scorchworks.com/Gcoderipper/obx_litho1.jpg
[06:04:07] <XXCoder> basically it probes Z at points, then it adjusts gcode so cut is nice and even across curved surface
[06:04:09] <XXCoder> or sloped
[06:04:31] <XXCoder> rest is just normal linuxcnc or mach
[06:07:16] <pink_vampire> very good links!!
[06:07:59] <XXCoder> yeah. this is almost only reason i would grab a probe, or rather make homebrew one,.
[06:08:35] <pink_vampire> you can make one
[06:08:50] <XXCoder> indeed.
[06:08:59] <pink_vampire> or just use the push button method...
[06:09:06] <XXCoder> thats true too
[06:09:19] <XXCoder> just touch and push button. slightly less accurate
[06:09:35] <XXCoder> or make basically hardware that lights up when touching
[06:09:46] <XXCoder> HMM thats best I think, NO button modified to be pointy
[06:09:58] <XXCoder> connected to led light and battery
[06:10:00] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/en/neurological-products-and-therapies--6332
[06:10:32] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:14:01] <pink_vampire> and then opss servo driver issue and you die
[06:14:31] <XXCoder> or active sabotage like one of sci fi book lol
[06:14:37] <XXCoder> it was method to murder captain
[06:14:56] <XXCoder> it was just gall bladder stone, but robot screwed up and blackout happened
[06:15:01] <XXCoder> dead.
[06:17:00] <pink_vampire> they use it to position a drill
[06:17:22] <pink_vampire> and you know what they going to drill with it....
[06:19:19] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/media/img/gen/c64f3777bc5a4c74a872793d0e3dd88c.jpg
[06:19:31] <pink_vampire> better then the original
[06:20:17] <XXCoder> yeah. though some patents has 3d printed skull implanted
[06:20:28] <XXCoder> 3d printing will take off so hard on medicial circles.
[06:20:35] <XXCoder> theyre testing 3d printing organs
[06:20:47] <XXCoder> meaning no more waiting for transplants and medicines for that too
[06:31:13] <pink_vampire> cool!
[06:31:26] <XXCoder> very.
[06:39:38] <MrSunshine> oo ventilation
[07:02:43] <pink_vampire> the pcb is 1.5mm thick
[07:02:55] <pink_vampire> I need to make it thinner.
[07:04:50] <Encapsulation> pcb =D
[07:05:09] <Encapsulation> you're designing a pcb inplant for someones skull?
[07:05:11] <Encapsulation> m
[07:05:59] <Encapsulation> whats up mase
[07:06:40] <mase-tech> HI
[07:07:19] <mase-tech> not much
[07:08:34] <mase-tech> I want to build a cnc machine and I am collecting data
[07:09:14] <mase-tech> to make my prototype cost effective :D
[07:09:22] <Encapsulation> definitely a good plan!
[07:10:11] <mase-tech> I looked at linux cnc for good examples
[07:10:54] <mase-tech> but the examples there a very professional
[07:11:00] <mase-tech> to proffesional :D
[07:11:17] <Encapsulation> with some time and care, you can achieve such a professional result as well
[07:11:24] <mase-tech> I don t have to money to build one of these kind machines
[07:12:40] <Encapsulation> talk to maxcnc when he is on next
[07:12:51] <Encapsulation> he has some good ideas for a strong machine that doesnt cost too much
[07:12:52] <mase-tech> He is my old professor
[07:12:55] <mase-tech> :D
[07:12:56] <Encapsulation> oh, awesome =D
[07:13:10] <mase-tech> He teached me math
[07:13:29] <mase-tech> I never expected that
[07:13:45] <mase-tech> He is a very impressive person
[07:14:17] <Encapsulation> yes he has a lot of knowledge
[07:14:31] <mase-tech> He is like a walking lexicon
[07:15:03] <Encapsulation> xD
[07:15:14] <Encapsulation> gotta head to work, good luck!
[07:15:20] <mase-tech> cu :)
[07:48:43] <minibnz> trying to calibrate my A axis and not having any joy..
[07:49:12] <minibnz> i have a bit of plastic in the jaws. i drill a hole for an index mark..
[07:50:18] <minibnz> tell the A axis to 360' the wheel does not turn enough. so i change my steps/deg from 25.65 to 25.7steps/deg this time is really close to 360' maybe 359'
[07:50:56] <minibnz> so i adjust the 25.7 steps per degree to 25.725 steps per degree then it only turns 330'... WTF
[07:51:18] <minibnz> anyone got any ideas? i am at a loss to expain this..
[07:52:04] <minibnz> i am pretty sure its not loosing steps cuz if i tell it to go back 360' it goes back to the index mark everytime.. at one point i thought it was noise but it would not return to zero if it was noise..
[07:58:31] <_methods> slop in the worm
[07:59:45] <_methods> weird it returns perfectly to the index?
[07:59:53] <minibnz> no worm its a belt drive
[07:59:54] <_methods> i guess that would rule out slop in the worm
[07:59:56] <_methods> ahh
[08:00:26] <_methods> i guess i'd need to see pics of the A axis then so i don't keep saying stupid things
[08:01:47] <minibnz> heheh there is not much to see really just a 3 jaw chuck with a motor hanging off the side..
[08:02:37] <_methods> so it's just straight from motor to chuck
[08:03:22] <_methods> you just put a toothed gear on the back of the chuck or something
[08:03:59] <_methods> it's weird that it would return to 0 if it was slipping or missing steps
[08:04:34] <minibnz> yeah there is a T5 belt pulley on the back of the chuck between two big ass bearings..
[08:05:13] <_methods> you would think it would come out off on the return to zero
[08:05:30] <minibnz> its really weird.. unless there is some noise that is coming from the stepper itself that is always the same..
[08:05:51] <_methods> heh
[08:06:10] <_methods> i guess that would be possible but i don't think very likely
[08:07:02] <_methods> i've never set up an a axis before in linuxcnc
[08:07:15] <_methods> so probably wont' be too much help
[08:07:36] <_methods> but is there a gear ratio to adjust or just the steps/deg
[08:07:43] <_methods> i guess they should basically achieve the same thing
[08:16:40] <pink_vampire> is there a thinner then 1.5mm blank pcb?
[08:17:46] <_methods> minibnz: did you build your A axis yourself, nothing to do with your issue just wondering if you bought it or built it
[08:18:08] <_methods> trying to decide if i should just buy one or build my own
[08:20:24] <SpeedEvil> pink_vampire: yes
[08:20:32] <SpeedEvil> pink_vampire: you can get them down to ~0.1mm or so
[08:20:39] <SpeedEvil> though that hard is hard to find
[08:21:24] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Copper-Clad-Laminate-Board-for-PCB-Manufacture-FR4-FR2-1Oz-1-6-1-0-0-8mm-/221813262500?var=&hash=item33a519c8a4:m:m4yn4a3O1V2eq7yxfiiY5Qw - 0.8mm forex
[08:22:51] <pink_vampire> SpeedEvil: thanks!!
[08:23:55] <SpeedEvil> flex-pcb too
[08:25:50] <gregcnc> rotary setup is the same math as linear axis, just the unit are degrees
[08:26:34] <minibnz> _methods i built this one myself.
[08:27:07] <minibnz> yeah in the setup wizzard there is a gear ratio for the A axis but in the ini file its just a number.
[08:27:16] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc:
https://xkcd.com/1230/
[08:27:19] <gregcnc> there is a simple forumula
[08:27:57] <_methods> well i don't know what the issue could be since it's off consistently
[08:28:01] <_methods> it's not hardware
[08:28:04] <gregcnc> right that's the odd part
[08:28:09] <_methods> so it must be something in the software
[08:28:14] <minibnz> not trying to do anything crazy just make it turn 360' no more, no less.. but i cannot acheive that..
[08:28:16] <_methods> or signal
[08:28:18] <gregcnc> you don't guess at how far it's supposed to move per step
[08:28:25] <gregcnc> you do the math
[08:28:48] <_methods> and since it's off consistently i'm assuming the signal is good
[08:28:57] <_methods> so there is a software configuration issue most likely
[08:29:12] <minibnz> gregcnc thats fine in the LAB but in the real world not everyone has a digital angle finder so doing the maths is impossible..
[08:29:52] <gregcnc> what do you mean? you don't know step angle, microsteps, gear ratio?
[08:30:15] <minibnz> yes i know all those values.. and thats what i used to get this close..
[08:30:23] <minibnz> i just cannot get it exact..
[08:31:42] <gregcnc> I'd be checking other issues before I decide the math is incorrect, but you have the equipment in front of you
[08:32:03] <minibnz> what other issues should i be checking?
[08:34:08] <minibnz> all the other axis work fine with no issues.. i tell them to move 100mm they move 100mm.. no more no less.. and when i tell it to go back to zero it goes to zero..
[08:35:15] <_methods> not to sidetrack you but do you have any pics of your A axis build?
[08:38:08] <gregcnc> why does the calculated value fail?
[08:38:46] <minibnz> _methods not really
http://minibnzreprap.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/progress-on-mill-build.html
[08:38:56] <minibnz> thats a few pics but you cant really see too much..
[08:42:11] <minibnz> Gregcnc thats what i am trying to work out.. if i use the calculated value of 26.7 the chuck turns more than a full circle when i ask for 360' of rotation..
[08:43:00] <minibnz> and the best i have been able to get is 25.7125 steps per degree.. this is very very close but its still not a full 360' its more like 359 degrees..
[08:43:29] <minibnz> then if i change that to 25.725 it goes about 365 degrees when i say go 360'
[08:44:00] <minibnz> each and every time it returns to the zero point.. so i am pretty sure its not noise or missing steps
[08:44:01] <SpeedEvil> Do a hundred revs, and it'll becoe much more obvious
[08:44:23] <minibnz> SpeedEvil that is the plan once i get one revolution right..
[08:45:08] <_methods> i think he's trying to say do a larger sample range to figure out the exact ratio
[08:45:09] <minibnz> between 25.7125 and 25.725 steps per degree there is way to much change in travel..
[08:45:58] <minibnz> i have no way to measure the error accurately... all i can do it 'eye' it out...
[08:46:24] <minibnz> and if i can see after one rev its not right i dont need to do more revs..
[08:46:39] <gregcnc> how do you arrive at the calculated value?
[08:47:41] <minibnz> by eye..... i have a bit of plastic in the chuck with a hole in it at the zero mark. i tell it to do a full lap and see if the drill will go back into the hole.
[08:48:34] <gregcnc> pulley ratio?
[08:48:51] <minibnz> 3:1
[08:49:06] <minibnz> the motor has 10 teeth the chuck has 30teeth
[08:49:39] <minibnz> the motor is 200steps per rev and its set to 2x microstepping.
[08:50:47] <minibnz> sorry 16x microstepping..
[08:50:51] <gregcnc> so calulated value is 26.66667
[08:50:58] <minibnz> the maths says 26.6666
[08:51:26] <minibnz> and when i use 26.7 the chuck turns about 390' about 30degrees too far.
[08:51:54] <gregcnc> that's the first mystery to solve
[08:52:12] <minibnz> so i have reduced that down to 25.7125 and it gets me very close..
[08:52:17] <gregcnc> no
[08:53:48] <gregcnc> you're absolutely certain about the tooth count?
[08:53:54] <minibnz> ok then i will go and build a microcontroller that will generate 9600 pulses and i will see if that will generate me a perfect circle.. i see no other way to do this.
[08:54:05] <minibnz> thats the numbers stamped into the pulleys.
[08:54:15] <gregcnc> so you counted?
[08:54:32] <minibnz> at one point in time yes i have counted them
[08:56:08] <gregcnc> does the motor turn 360° per 3200 steps?
[08:58:40] <minibnz> when i tell it to turn 120' the motor goes a little more than 1 full rev
[09:09:10] <gregcnc> I'd try microstep at 1 to see how things work
[09:10:56] <minibnz> ok
[09:20:32] <archivist> making a microcontroller to confirm your error in scale is really a silly way to go
[09:22:15] <archivist> you know you can add more digits past the decimal point for greater accuracy too
[09:45:44] <minibnz> ok i have a solution.. not too sure why but it seems to have worked... 26.67 steps per degree..
[09:46:05] <gregcnc> huh
[09:47:58] <minibnz> gregcnc your suggestion of 1x microstepping wasn't the exact solution but it showed up the error... when i set it to 1x i noticed a jumping/stop/start motion in the chuck.. so i dropped the axis current down to 75% and it spun smoother.. then got it to do a perfect revolution.. then upped the microstepping back up to 16x and calibrated the steps per degree. maths says 26.7 i am using 26.67
[09:48:48] <minibnz> i dont understand exactly why the A axis was having issues with the current the motor is a little bit bigger than the other axis.. and they have their current up full on 100%
[09:49:29] <minibnz> i will keep an eye on it and see if anything bad/weird happens.. that might be the solution.. even if i dont understand it fully..
[09:49:51] <gregcnc> math says 80/3. the loser you set scale to that the more accurate it will be
[09:49:59] <gregcnc> closer
[09:50:33] <minibnz> i guess i was rounding the result out too much
[09:51:06] <gregcnc> The reigning champion MATH wins again!!!
[09:51:30] <minibnz> heheheh yeah... but only once the hardware is actually right...
[09:51:33] <archivist> use 26.666666666666666 dont round much if anything
[09:51:54] <minibnz> how many digits past the decimal can i really have?
[09:52:20] <archivist> it is a double
[09:55:11] <gregcnc> That's one reason I chose a nice round ratio that was divisible by commonly used angles for my rotary axis encoder resolution
[09:55:15] <mase-tech> Hey peps, I am about to setup my workshop for my cnc in my cemtery. For more light I cut the old cable to connect the new lamp. (The cable was off no current). I did a volt messurument to be sure. 0V. OK.
[09:55:23] <mase-tech> Then I connected the new lamp
[09:56:06] <mase-tech> And then I tried to turn it on. But no electricity
[09:56:38] <mase-tech> So obvious that the fuse fall off
[09:57:13] <minibnz> take the bulb/lamp out of the socket and see if you have continuity between the plug and the lamp socket.
[09:57:15] <mase-tech> So question is why did the fuse fell of
[09:57:39] <minibnz> oh you blew the fuse.. that would be due to a short circuit..
[09:57:51] <archivist> impossible to say without being there
[09:58:00] <minibnz> unplug it all and buzz it out..
[09:58:24] <mase-tech> I have no entry to the fuse in the basement
[09:58:49] <mase-tech> I do not understand why the fuse blew
[09:58:56] <mase-tech> It should not
[09:59:11] <mase-tech> As I start the manipulation everything was off
[09:59:20] <mase-tech> I also measured it
[09:59:37] <minibnz> if the fuse blew it is because too much current is drawn by the lamp.. unplug the lamp and check for shorts.
[10:00:28] <mase-tech> I have to call the caketaker
[10:00:31] <archivist> is you are unsure around mains, get an electrician
[10:00:34] <archivist> if
[10:00:39] <minibnz> a normal lamp should only draw 1amp max (250w on 240v..)
[10:00:45] <mase-tech> YES
[10:01:16] <mase-tech> of course
[10:01:26] <minibnz> if it has blown the fuse check for shorts.
[10:01:38] <mase-tech> I do not understand why the short appeared
[10:01:56] <mase-tech> It is one cable to check which I did
[10:02:20] <mase-tech> Imagen this
[10:02:26] <mase-tech> U have a table lamp
[10:02:32] <mase-tech> I cut the cable
[10:02:41] <minibnz> if there is a short start un-doing what you have done. step by step and keep checking for the short.
[10:03:29] <mase-tech> It is a 3 veins cable ground + -
[10:03:47] <mase-tech> There was no electricty
[10:03:56] <mase-tech> I cut the cable
[10:04:06] <mase-tech> Then measurred
[10:04:08] <minibnz> ie check for the short. if its there start by un-doing one of the wires you joined then check again.. then keep repeating this step until you have no short. then look at the wires and see what what shorting..
[10:04:43] <minibnz> it could be that the wire you added is bad and was shorted to start with..
[10:04:49] <mase-tech> Can such a 3 veins cable be sured from manipulation ?
[10:05:04] <mase-tech> secured
[10:05:13] <mase-tech> When yes how
[10:05:25] <archivist> get an electrician
[10:05:55] <mase-tech> I am
[10:06:30] <minibnz> yeah thats what i am thinking now.. get an electrician. you are not understanding what i am asking.. if you keep going like this you will end up electrocuted.. get a qualified electrician...
[10:06:58] <mase-tech> I checked everything
[10:07:03] <mase-tech> thats why I am asking
[10:07:21] <mase-tech> I did the things you recommanded me to do
[10:07:27] <minibnz> the only other option is that you did not power it off and when you cut the wire you blew the fuse..
[10:07:32] <mase-tech> I would do the same
[10:08:36] <minibnz> maybe you will have better luck in #electronics
[10:08:39] <mase-tech> minibnz: yes, that is reasonable. the problem is that I am 100% sure everything was off
[10:10:53] <minibnz> anyways its almost 1am here im going to bed.. thanks for the help gregcnc... _methods and archivist.. tomorrow i will cut come slots with the A Axis and see if it turns out ok..
[10:10:58] <mase-tech> Can there be a other reason to blew the the fuse beside current
[10:11:06] <mase-tech> I think no
[10:11:22] <mase-tech> but anything must be there beside I am a fucking idiot
[10:11:28] <mase-tech> mad
[10:11:54] <gregcnc> nite minibnz you're welcome
[10:11:59] <mase-tech> good night
[11:18:45] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: math is highly over rated, most people get by every day without using it
[11:20:43] <CaptHindsight> schools and politicians use it to confuse people, so I don't think it will ever catch on except for a few people
[11:21:00] <archivist> I got stuck at 1+1=10 :)
[11:26:17] <gregcnc> maybe I've been overlooking a career as a politician
[11:27:16] <CaptHindsight> you seem to be too nice a person to ever become a school teacher
[11:28:47] <CaptHindsight> I've seen you use critical thinking to solve problems and analyze situations so yeah, definitely not a teacher
[11:31:53] <archivist> teachers teaching fault finding, that is rare
[11:32:05] <JT-Shop> my sister is rare
[11:33:15] <mase-tech> career as politician ... Easy money
[11:38:47] <jdh> my wife is a teachet
[11:39:41] <mase-tech> Or official is slso good. especially in italy or greece. you do not of to work, that means u don't have to even come to the office
[11:40:37] <jdh> I'm sure that does wonders for the local economy
[11:40:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.johntaylorgatto.com/ they aren't all bad, just very very rare
[11:41:14] <jdh> They aren't that rare, many just don't have much to work with
[12:14:04] <maxcnc> hi folks
[12:14:24] <maxcnc> Capt
[12:14:42] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: what about the undicided did he make some decicens
[12:15:43] <pcw_home> you should not speak his name...
[12:15:58] <maxcnc> as i did avoid it
[12:16:05] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: you've upset the indecision fairy, now it's 6 more weeks to decide
[12:16:19] <maxcnc> pcw_home: asll up and running on mesa here
[12:16:51] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: smile runs into my face
[12:17:37] <maxcnc> his construct from here did the first chip today after 5days including satSun
[12:17:56] <maxcnc> decision is realy a factor
[12:18:17] <archivist> I got close to a gantry router today, just had to grab it to see how much play it had :)
[12:18:51] <maxcnc> to the English here i searched for a name of the mashine from the wood man its a ono n all 4Side one shot frame cutter
[12:19:03] <archivist> one of the single screw down the middle type
[12:19:09] <maxcnc> is there a special word on this in english
[12:19:27] <archivist> show a picture
[12:20:58] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: a gantry router gets it's name from using a gantry, it can have 1 or many screws and still be called a gantry router
[12:21:35] <SpeedEvil> Is over 2 screws ever used?
[12:21:49] <maxcnc> archivist i dont think you can realy see somthing
http://www.holztechnik-finkele.de/images/sonstige%2002%204-seiter.jpg
[12:22:21] <maxcnc> SpeedEvil: ive sen 3
[12:22:43] <maxcnc> down middel and eatch side with chain drivven
[12:22:44] <archivist> maxcnc, a bevelling machine maybe
[12:22:45] <CaptHindsight> a profiler for cutting profiles
[12:23:14] <archivist> but its name is a good clue
[12:23:15] <CaptHindsight> fancy router
[12:23:21] <maxcnc> the raw wood pice goes in and on all sides it is been cut straight or profile
[12:23:40] <maxcnc> 4seiter here in germany
[12:23:48] <maxcnc> 4sider
[12:23:57] <maxcnc> one stroke
[12:24:03] <maxcnc> out of the saw
[12:24:25] <maxcnc> it took the carpender 1hr to build the whole gantry frame
[12:24:41] <maxcnc> parts not mounted
[12:24:53] <maxcnc> 60x60mm oak
[12:25:11] <archivist> also known as a 4 sided moulding machine
[12:26:41] <maxcnc> archivist you got it
[12:27:56] <maxcnc> the wood is straight and even nothing like tube or Aluframe
[12:28:03] <maxcnc> driller and you are up
[12:29:30] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/NT8Jutmo8Js?t=23s Profiling Center woodworking machinery
[12:30:53] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: first thunder here
[12:31:23] <maxcnc> Folks im Closing the Shop for today By
[12:31:26] <maxcnc> Gn8
[12:32:25] <archivist> erm 3d sales... what no real machine
[12:33:10] <CaptHindsight> after they spent all that time modeling it?!
[12:34:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAS3GRE61jY 8 second gantry router video
[12:35:01] <CaptHindsight> rendered
[12:37:58] <CaptHindsight> archivist:
http://m.jumpstart.com/Mathblaster/CoolMath/Article-Images/kid-learning-math-tips.png
[12:39:40] <archivist> definitely 10
[12:46:44] <CaptHindsight> for the graffiti impaired
http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160411-smart-3d-printed-spray-can-allows-inexperienced-users-to-paint-giant-murals.html
[12:52:54] <SpeedEvil> Now put it on a qua
[12:52:55] <SpeedEvil> d
[13:05:58] <gregcnc> speedevil did you see the flyboard video?
[13:16:32] <mase-tech> Hi people =)
[13:28:07] <CaptHindsight> older version of Solidworks?
https://youtu.be/0cjMoZJlCUk?t=36s
[14:47:54] <_methods> hard to tell but it looks like a relatively recent version
[14:48:00] <_methods> definitely not 2016 though
[14:48:29] <_methods> they went full retard on the 2016 cholera scheme
[14:51:30] <Jymmm> _methods: "Full retard"... you insensitive bastard! I'm send three of them your way all with 3 lbs of candy each!!! Good luck biotch!
[14:51:40] <_methods> hehe
[14:52:47] <Jymmm> Ok, FINALLY got one of the casters drilled out, and replaced the pressed in stud with a grade 8 bolt, will use a stop nut eventually
http://imgur.com/QbvtpUv
[14:53:45] <_methods> http://we-love-quotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/you-went-full-retard-never-go-full-retard.jpg
[14:54:13] <_methods> Jymmm's chair repair
[14:54:45] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: wadidjuh use to drill it out?
[14:55:01] <Jymmm> _methods: No, 48"w x 18"d x 76"H steel racks
[14:55:54] <miss0r> meh. this is realy mind boggeling.. I switched the Y & Z axis on my mill.. not it seems I have some issues to sort with G2 & G3...
[14:56:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: tossed a nut on the stufd, then clamped the nut in the vise. Then used a 3/8" bit to "hollow" most of it out, then a big ass step bit to remove the "squished" part.
[14:56:32] <Jymmm> stud*
[14:56:43] <miss0r> I 'could' just break the arcs into vectors, but with a 300kb memory I have to fill with a 240bps line, that would suck :D
[14:57:09] <miss0r> 2400*
[14:58:32] <_methods> man that sux you cant drip feed
[14:58:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Top and bottom bearings (different sizes)
http://imgur.com/ymLh4Fl
[14:59:26] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You can see the remainder ofthe stud I drilled out on the left
[14:59:38] <miss0r> yeah, that is an issue. I've managed to 'adjust' a mastercam post to fit everything else so far... the arcs is the remainding issue, as far as I can tell at the moment
[14:59:39] <CaptHindsight> whatta project
[14:59:51] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Only 18 more to go!!!
[15:00:27] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: But, I now will have REPAIRABLE casters
[15:00:41] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: holy cats! No super surplus clearance deals on new casters?
[15:01:02] <miss0r> _methods, also, this controller is realy anal! lets say, i've posted G17, and some linear motion also wants to post G17, I get an error, as the bit is already assaigned. other controllers would just shrug it off
[15:01:15] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'm in BFE now, no such thing anywhere near me if there was.
[15:02:25] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: didn't know you moved to Timbuktu
[15:02:40] <Jymmm> They weren't as expensive when I bought them years ago, but the one on the left saved my ass
http://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-high-speed-steel-step-drills-96275.html
[15:03:17] <_methods> miss0r: yeah all controls have their quirks
[15:03:24] <CaptHindsight> I have those. haven't broken them yet
[15:03:34] <_methods> i still add a .0 to every number out of habit
[15:03:35] <miss0r> slowly but surely, i'm getting there
[15:03:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, man, I'm at 3000ft elevation, in the forest and shit. Got mnt lions, bears, miniture dockeys, and wild peacocks in the neighborhood =)
[15:03:40] <_methods> even with linuxcnc lol
[15:03:46] <miss0r> hehe.
[15:04:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: (I'm not kidding on all the animals either)
[15:04:57] <miss0r> I am beginning to think the problem is something else. I have the feeling the controller does not support an arc that moves on all 3 axis.
[15:05:03] <Jymmm> or and grey foxs
[15:05:07] <Jymmm> oh*
[15:07:49] <Sync> zeeshan!
[15:08:03] <Sync> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Brembo-Racing-Bremssattel-LMP-GT3-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/g2kAAOSwvgdW4DhE/$_57.JPG
[15:10:46] <evil_ren> wait was that like, pulled from an LMP or GT3 car?
[15:11:26] <Sync> probably GT3
[15:11:45] <Sync> the interesting thing are the LVDT pad wear sensors
[15:11:45] <evil_ren> i guess statistically that makes sense
[15:11:54] <evil_ren> yeah how does that work?
[15:12:22] <evil_ren> pretty neat when i realized what its doing, but is it analog or just a theshold thing?
[15:12:31] <evil_ren> im like, why doesnt my car have those
[15:13:33] <evil_ren> if it did, then my brakes wouldnt be warped from when i had the wheels pulled to check my pads, and then the guy impact wrenched the fuck out of the wheels to put em back
[15:14:21] <Sync> it is an lvdt
[15:14:29] <evil_ren> omg make me googles
[15:14:40] <Sync> yes
[15:15:26] <evil_ren> linear variable differential transformer, haha thats a lot of descriptive words that doesnt quite spell out what it does
[15:15:42] <Sync> it spells out perfectly what it does
[15:15:48] <Sync> ;)
[15:15:54] <Sync> basically it is a distance measuring device
[15:16:40] <evil_ren> oh its like a sliding ferrite puts different flux from a DC current coil into some differential sense coils
[15:16:52] <evil_ren> i think, but yeah pretty neat
[15:16:59] <Sync> it works on ac
[15:17:03] <Sync> it basically is a linear resolver
[15:17:32] <evil_ren> ha that makes sense else youd just get deltas
[15:17:35] <evil_ren> *ah
[15:17:46] <Sync> I wonder why they do that
[15:17:58] <evil_ren> a/c instead of dc?
[15:18:18] <evil_ren> heh @ air conditioner instead of direct current
[15:18:19] <Sync> maybe for endurance racing, where they want to know when to change pads before it goes bad
[15:18:46] <evil_ren> LMP is endurance, and GT3 typically
[15:19:16] <Sync> well, most series utilizing GT3 are sprint races or 6h at max
[15:19:29] <Sync> even in 12h races most teams don't need to change pads
[15:19:52] <Sync> in 24h races they do in the early hours so ~14-16h in
[15:20:05] <evil_ren> le mans runs gt3, no?
[15:20:12] <evil_ren> and a few 12 hours in wec
[15:20:52] <evil_ren> imsa north america (fuckin how many times they gonna rename american le mans) is like, 4 hours min, but daytona is 24 hours
[15:21:18] <Sync> yeah but the only long race in WEC is LM
[15:21:37] <Sync> there is dubai and the 24h series
[15:21:49] <Sync> yeah daytona is 24h as well
[15:21:56] <Sync> but not too many of them actually
[15:22:45] <Sync> well, imsa fucked a lot of people over
[15:23:02] <Sync> with their choice of not going to GT3 homologated cars only
[15:23:07] <Sync> but rather have their own package
[15:23:43] <evil_ren> kind of pisses me of because laguna seca is my local endurance race
[15:23:54] <evil_ren> well, besides 25 hours of thunderhill
[15:24:04] <evil_ren> which doesnt really count, but is in some ways even more awesome
[15:24:19] <evil_ren> hehe, random early 90s acura integra on the same track as the flying lizard r8
[15:24:28] <Sync> so you have LMP1 LMP2 and GTE pro/am in WEC
[15:24:33] <Sync> well yeah
[15:24:36] <Sync> the VLN is the same
[15:24:57] <miss0r> bah! now it is running the "helix" if that is what you want to call it. it does half a circle, steps down 1mm, does another half a circle and steps down another mm... not quite what I asked for
[15:25:13] <XXCoder> heh that type sucks
[15:25:21] <evil_ren> that doesnt sound like a helix
[15:25:34] <evil_ren> well, i mean unless your machine has really, really crappy Z resolution
[15:25:49] <evil_ren> then i guess technically its a helix, kinda
[15:26:29] <alex4nder> alright.. good news is: my 7i76e started working fine
[15:26:31] <miss0r> its old, but not crappy.. I must be missing something in the way I talk to it... (I am completely rewriting a post processor here)
[15:27:52] <XXCoder> miss0r: maybe yours only permit motion on 2 axis a time?
[15:28:05] <miss0r> from what i've read it should do all 3
[15:28:52] <miss0r> I can't stand plunge milling
[15:29:14] <alex4nder> anyone else have a problem jogging Y with axis and v2.7.4... I'm getting a python except 'substring not found'
[15:34:15] <alex4nder> yah, something is wacky
[15:34:35] <alex4nder> vars.current_axis.get() is returning True
[15:53:37] <miss0r> XXCoder, I actualy have it doing a helix now... I wrote one manually on the controller itself.. it is I am just having a hard time figuering out how to tell the mastercam post to do it... it's actualy a one-liner
[15:53:49] <XXCoder> cool :)
[15:54:55] <miss0r> I am a horrible amature reconfiguering this post processor, it is truly touch'n'go
[15:58:29] <XXCoder> wow
[15:58:31] <XXCoder> http://interestingengineering.com/there-may-flaws-superconductor-theory/
[15:59:01] <miss0r> I have to format it like G3 X(endpoint) Y(endpoint) Z(final depth) I(Center X) J(Center Y) K(pitch)
[15:59:10] <miss0r> and mastercam is like HELL NO!
[16:00:07] <jdh> odd params for an arc move
[16:00:23] <miss0r> that the philips 432 controller for'ya
[16:01:05] <jdh> guess they aren't all required? depending on the mvoe?
[16:01:12] <JT-Shop> I think I totally fouled up my slowbooks
[16:03:00] <miss0r> jdh: when doing a helical move it seems it is. i.e. arc on 3 dimentions
[16:03:26] <XXCoder> isnt I and J endpoint of arc?
[16:03:51] <miss0r> not 'round here
[16:03:53] <miss0r> :)
[16:05:12] <miss0r> I'm just not sure mastercam posts the pitch. it wants to take care of buisness itself
[16:06:08] <JT-Shop> i j are offsets
[16:08:28] <XXCoder> http://www.manufacturinget.org/2011/12/cnc-g-code-g02-and-g03/
[16:09:39] <miss0r> XXCoder, problem starts when I want Z movement also
[16:11:09] <XXCoder> there is also apparently K for Z offset
[16:11:50] <XXCoder> think it can only arc in 2d though
[16:11:52] <miss0r> depending on your working plane
[16:12:08] <XXCoder> while your z is set for linear movement I guess>?
[16:13:22] <XXCoder> funny, that. g2 and g3 is most diffult for me to understand lol
[16:13:35] <miss0r> I don't understand your question?
[16:14:04] <XXCoder> I askwed if yours is using x, y and I, J for arc on xy plane, while z is plain linear movementy
[16:14:41] <miss0r> something like that, yes
[16:14:59] <XXCoder> ok
[16:15:10] <XXCoder> I wll evenually manually write some gcode to make some stuff
[16:15:30] <robin_sz> I use Cut2D for routing, it rocks
[16:15:48] <XXCoder> yet another cam
[16:16:19] <XXCoder> no price on sitre, I cant afford it
[16:16:45] <jdh> $150ish
[16:16:56] <XXCoder> yeah? I couldnt find price anywhere
[16:17:15] <jdh> its there somewhere. in pounds or something
[16:17:29] <jdh> it is great for a router
[16:17:41] <XXCoder> $350
[16:17:45] <jdh> fnah
[16:17:46] <jdh> nah
[16:17:50] <XXCoder> oh thats vcazrve
[16:17:59] <XXCoder> cut3d is indeed $150
[16:18:02] <jdh> vcarve is also cool
[16:18:09] <jdh> cut2d
[16:18:12] <jdh> 3d is more
[16:18:14] <XXCoder> windows or?
[16:18:18] <jdh> and completely different. windows
[16:18:30] <XXCoder> jdh: yeah yeah that I meant. I habitally say 3d lol
[16:19:00] <XXCoder> jdh: its wine compitable!
[16:19:11] <XXCoder> that is BIG feature for me
[16:19:32] <XXCoder> .. in 2008 lol dunno if still true. theres trial anyway
[16:20:52] <jdh> the trial will only generate code for a few demo projects.
[16:21:10] <XXCoder> yeah thats good enough to test linux compitability.
[16:29:03] <XXCoder> robin_sz: thanks, might get that :)
[16:29:08] <XXCoder> laters
[16:29:17] <robin_sz> it is awesome
[16:29:59] <robin_sz> there is an emc post processor with it
[16:54:35] <Deejay> gn8
[17:12:45] <andypugh> I wonder where I can get the little M5 crimps (yellow size) for less than £1 each?
[17:13:21] <andypugh> ie, these:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/2394199/
[17:13:40] <andypugh> Actually, that’s M4. But either will do.
[17:14:01] <andypugh> The red ones don’t grip 0.5mm2 wire.
[17:14:14] <zeeshan> thoise things are expensive
[17:14:19] <andypugh> And ebay only has the huge yellow ones, not the mini-yellws
[17:14:20] <zeeshan> when you get em in industrial rating
[17:14:20] <zeeshan> 600v
[17:14:36] <DaViruz> andypugh: maybe RS?
[17:14:36] <DaViruz> :)
[17:15:07] <andypugh> DaViruz: After VAT they are £1.02 each
[17:15:30] <DaViruz> what VAT is over 1000%?
[17:15:44] <DaViruz> it says £0.092
[17:15:45] <DaViruz> here
[17:16:17] <andypugh> Ah, yes, err, I meant “less than 10p each, or £10 per pack.
[17:16:27] <DaViruz> ah.
[17:16:44] <andypugh> I have also never actually found the right crimping tool for them.
[17:17:15] <DaViruz> i've never seen them refered to as yellow or mini yellow. here that size is green
[17:17:48] <DaViruz> http://www.biltema.se/sv/Verktyg/Handverktyg/Tang-och-Sax/Kabelskotang-2000037081/
[17:18:11] <DaViruz> for instance
[17:18:55] <andypugh> Hmm
[17:19:38] <andypugh> And only £15 for the tool.
[17:20:39] <ReadError> zeeshan, any ideas on how to easily 'seal' aluminum at home?
[17:20:55] <ReadError> just preventing oxidation
[17:21:06] <andypugh> ReadError: Jenolite
[17:21:23] <zeeshan> clear coat
[17:22:01] <andypugh> (ie, phosphoric acid-based rust remover)
[17:22:28] <andypugh> CocaCola might work. That’smainly phosphoric acid.
[17:23:33] <DaViruz> andypugh: do they need to be insulated?
[17:23:49] <andypugh> Ideally, yes.
[17:28:39] <Sync> andypugh: lapp makes a tool for them
[17:29:01] <andypugh> Sync: I doubt I want to afford any tool that Lapp makes :-)
[17:29:21] <Sync> I do, as cheap crimping tools are the devil
[17:29:37] <DaViruz> people just looove to call aluminium aviation or aircraft grade
[17:34:05] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p6hqMnsLFY
[17:34:06] <zeeshan> holy cow
[17:34:36] <Sync> old
[17:35:14] <zeeshan> :D
[17:35:34] <Sync> I love how the burning plane falls to the ground with jumpers all over
[17:35:45] <zeeshan> looks like ascene from the movies
[17:38:42] <andypugh> That has to be the best ever plane crash to be in :-)
[17:39:30] <andypugh> Though I guess anything with an ejector seat is about the same.
[17:39:56] <zeeshan> i woulda held onto the plane as long as possible
[17:40:05] * zeeshan is last man down!
[17:44:15] <gregcnc> a different plane crash oops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziLpDfwWnc
[17:45:04] <Lowridah> i should start telling people everything i deal with is either aircraft or surgical grade
[17:45:13] <Lowridah> baggies, socks, nail clippers, soap
[18:20:43] <unfy> i taped a pen to spindle, did a draw test. worked fine. noisy as fuck due to lead screw chattering in the not-perfect-fit pillow blocks... but... worky yay.
[18:20:52] <unfy> i'll have to run it with a powered spindle soon :D
[18:24:37] <alex4nder> alright
[18:24:42] <alex4nder> my mill is alive
[18:24:56] <Jymmm> KILL THE BASTARD!!!
[18:25:38] <alex4nder> I need to get some oil, because the thing has been sitting
[18:25:44] <alex4nder> but the electronics are working
[18:32:47] <unfy> sadly, i keep thinking to myself 'now that i built one, do i build a bigger one "for real" ... or buy something ...'
[18:33:13] <alex4nder> yah, it never ends
[18:34:33] <alex4nder> I'm just working on convincing myself that less is more.
[18:34:54] <alex4nder> I will say this though: the 7i76e is sick
[18:35:05] <alex4nder> ethernet makes things so much easier
[18:55:11] <JT-Shop> I got some nut saying the 7i76 field power should be able to be 5vdc "according to the manual"
[18:56:59] <JT-Shop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15769153/
[19:16:08] <_methods> never deal with the public
[19:16:09] <_methods> lol
[19:16:17] <_methods> they're all batshit
[19:28:11] <Frank__12> anyone? :D
[19:28:31] <JT-Shop> lol
[19:33:31] <Frank__12> im getting crazy trying to align the linear guide rails (hiwin) on my machine (2.4mts)
[19:33:39] <Frank__12> going crazy*
[19:33:59] <JT-Shop> I line one up then line the second to the first
[19:34:00] <Frank__12> does anyone have any good advice or steps?
[19:34:39] <Frank__12> yeah i have to get em to 0.1mm height difference
[19:34:57] <Frank__12> the machining on the frame wasnt the best either
[19:35:28] <JT-Shop> my advice is to never argue with idiots, the bring you down to their level and beat you with experience
[19:35:43] <JT-Shop> shim them level
[19:36:02] <malcom2073> Frank__12: Is 0.1mm within the tolerance of the rails for being off parallel?
[19:36:16] <malcom2073> Seems like a lot
[19:36:35] <Frank__12> no, actually that was the easy one with the dial indicator, 0.036mm for paralelism
[19:36:43] <Frank__12> i got it to 0.02
[19:36:57] <Frank__12> but the height difference is making me want to cry
[19:37:00] <malcom2073> Sorry, off plane
[19:37:04] <Frank__12> i need to buy some shims and play with it
[19:37:07] <malcom2073> Yeah shims
[19:37:32] <Frank__12> what are the smallest shims?
[19:37:43] <Frank__12> im not in the us, im might get problematic to get em
[19:38:11] <malcom2073> A thou probably
[19:38:21] <malcom2073> Or whatever the metric equivalant is, 0.03mm?
[19:38:50] <Frank__12> 0.0254 my calc says
[19:38:57] <Frank__12> same shit.. heh
[19:40:02] <Frank__12> and i only have a starret 98-8 that measures 0.005 over a foot
[19:40:23] <Frank__12> it can only move 1/5 of a gradient to get it to 0.1mm
[19:47:35] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: we have wild animals around here as well, just not the mountain lions or bears
[19:48:01] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You buddies on game night don't count ;)
[19:48:37] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: lots of teens and jacked up pickups
[19:48:46] <CaptHindsight> not sure what's more dangerous
[19:49:21] <CaptHindsight> probably depends on if I'm covered in butter or trying to cross the street or both
[20:03:49] <Sync> Frank__12: you can get 0.01 or even 5µ shims
[20:19:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: "jacked up pickups" and "trying to cross the street" I get, but "lots of teens and covered in butter"... Um, do you live in/near a strip club or something?
[20:20:12] <jdh> ever see last tango in paris?
[20:20:26] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/DrWnemt.jpg +
http://i.imgur.com/shbnhYS.jpg = HAPPINESS!! :D
[20:20:27] <Jymmm> If I did, it was eons ago.
[20:20:41] <jdh> specs
[20:22:21] <malcom2073> Bwahaha, butter, jacked up pickups and teens
[20:22:23] <jdh> or is one a spanish?
[20:22:38] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: Not even close...
http://www.malibuweddingdestinations.com/resources/brazilianbbq9.jpg
[20:22:52] <jdh> that's a lotta meat
[20:23:11] <BeachBumPete> Jymmm you are right that IS not even close to fresh caught spanish Mackerel and Sea trout... Sorry man!!
[20:23:23] <Jymmm> jdh: Brazillian BBQ, they keep bringing you meat of all kinds till you tell them to stop.
[20:23:51] <BeachBumPete> Can you say sea trout taco's? :D
[20:24:11] <BeachBumPete> That little bastard put up a fight too lemme tell ya
[20:24:17] <Jymmm> jdh: If you find one near you, usually about $30-$40/person, but it's all you can eat.
[20:24:43] <BeachBumPete> My wife actually hooked into a BIG Snook and I was trying to help her bring it in and we lost it...I almost cried
[20:25:00] <Jymmm> jdh: They walk around with massive skewers of various meat, and slice it off on your plate
[20:25:01] <jdh> don't cry, there are other fish in the sea.
[20:25:12] <BeachBumPete> Got it right up to the edge and was pulling it out of the water when it broke the line
[20:25:25] <BeachBumPete> jdh har de har har
[20:25:32] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: Uh, uh.... Suuuuuuure it did
[20:26:09] <BeachBumPete> I swear it did.. It was BIG too.. I don't think we had large enough leader I did not expect to catch such a big fish so quickly LOL
[20:26:46] <BeachBumPete> I got a bit of a sunburn tho hehehehe
[20:29:45] <Jymmm> Stop running around with butt crack, Florida aint backasswards TN now!
[20:30:14] <BeachBumPete> Well I would agree but it was not buttcrack it was my big fat melon head hehe
[20:30:38] <BeachBumPete> My wife just gave me a little piece of that out of the olive oil pan fry.. WOW it is delicious!!
[20:38:12] <Sync> good looking fish
[20:38:57] <BeachBumPete> Sync thanks man!
[20:40:28] <Sync> hm, thinking about getting that caliper out of intered, it is cheap, too
[20:42:24] <Sync> the two lvdts would probably be worth it
[20:57:41] <zeeshan> does the fish taste like crude oil
[20:58:06] <zeeshan> sync for what
[21:11:12] <Tom_itx> ok catia problem 4 done
[21:20:54] <bobo_> BeachBumPete: will this be you'r next venture ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWqg6B-taUg
[21:22:03] <BeachBumPete> bobo_ hehehe I saw that video this morning... pretty funny. there are gators here that big tho.... :O
[21:23:33] <bobo_> oh well keep the hook in the water and enjoy
[21:24:30] <BeachBumPete> yeah we had a lot of fun today.. tomorrow is back to looking for a house and finding work LOL Been screwing off a bit too much but we are just happy to be here
[21:25:51] <jdh> does your wife have anything lined up?
[21:26:39] <BeachBumPete> yeah she worked for them years ago and now she has work there again. She was offered the job before we left tennessee. right now she is going thru the rehiring process
[21:26:49] <jdh> cool
[21:27:42] <BeachBumPete> I saw the coolest thing today from the Kayak
[21:28:15] <BeachBumPete> we were a ways out there in the intercoastal and I saw some splashing like a hundred yards away from us
[21:28:24] <BeachBumPete> it kept getting closer and closer
[21:29:02] <BeachBumPete> next thing I know we see several spotted rays JUMP out of the water and fly like two to three feet up before splashing back down into the water.
[21:29:14] <BeachBumPete> it happened like five times in a row
[21:29:25] <BeachBumPete> I could not get my camera to cooperate unfortunately
[21:29:47] <BeachBumPete> they looked kinda reddish brownish with spots
[21:30:13] <jdh> those are always cool
[21:30:32] <BeachBumPete> we also saw about a dozen porpoise playing nearby
[21:31:17] <BeachBumPete> there was a guy near us that must have caught like eight different stingrays all afternoon... I kinda felt bad for him. they are kinda scary to take the hook out of
[21:32:34] <jdh> they never used to bother me. I would swim over them on teh bottom while diving
[21:32:47] <jdh> but now I go around them.
[21:32:54] <BeachBumPete> yeah me neither but after the croc hunter LOL
[21:33:20] <BeachBumPete> we saw one breach that was like probably six feet across today
[21:33:25] <jdh> we have ones taht are huge. They block out the light when they swim over you.
[21:34:06] <jdh> they come off the high side of the ledges where we get meg teeth and fly over you
[21:34:31] <BeachBumPete> I once kinda rode a manta ray for a few seconds while snorkeling.... it was REALLY big. He put up with my BS for like five seconds before he fluttered his huge wings and was GONE very quickly ;)
[21:35:01] <BeachBumPete> that was on the south side of the Boynton beach inlet when I was like 18
[21:35:10] <jdh> don't molsest the wildlife!
[21:35:33] <BeachBumPete> He was AMAZING I had no choice
[21:38:03] <BeachBumPete> I swear my head looks like a big cherry tomato :D
[21:42:24] <Duc> I really need to find something to machine that requires the new 4th axis
[21:42:48] <BeachBumPete> there are TONS of things you can machine with a nice 4th ;)
[21:42:51] <Tom_itx> so you got it with nothing in mind?
[21:43:31] <Duc> not a dam thing
[21:44:12] <Duc> I need to update my thread with all the details
[21:44:25] <jdh> url?
[21:44:36] <BeachBumPete> or you could just ship it to me ;)
[21:45:36] <Duc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/12-milling/29997-bridgeport-boss5-stepper-to-servo
[21:45:52] <Duc> Tsudakoma can be found for cheap on ebay
[21:46:04] <Duc> Typing up the update now to the thread to add the rotary
[21:52:56] <jdh> heh... love that panel you got with thempg
[21:54:47] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: strip clubs, teens and butter, havn't seen that one yet, is that how they clean behind the booths?
[21:55:54] <bobo_> Duc: what is the weight of the rotary?
[21:56:11] <Duc> I think 200-300
[21:56:26] <bobo_> thanks
[21:56:32] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Clean, who says they clean?
[21:57:11] <Duc> shouldnt be a problem for the mill since I cant load to much on it
[21:59:48] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I guess if you're looking behind the booths you probably need to find somewhere else to go.
[22:00:12] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: lol, I suppose so =)
[22:09:07] <Duc> man I suck at writing
[22:10:30] <jdh> then you shoudl be an engineer
[22:14:05] <Duc> I am a mechanical engineer
[22:14:14] <Duc> :D
[22:19:23] <Jymmm> That's not like a REAL engineer, its just what they tell you so you give them monies ;)
[22:20:06] <Duc> yep skill set and experience far outway the degree
[22:20:16] <Duc> just opens doors for interviews
[22:23:57] <yasnak> man
[22:24:03] <yasnak> i love my Kitagawa
[22:24:48] <Duc> you get the cnc braced up
[22:24:51] <yasnak> personally i'd rather run 4 axis programs and second op then run the 5axis sometimes haha.
[22:24:55] <yasnak> yeah man!
[22:24:58] <yasnak> here one sec
[22:31:03] <Duc> this could be scary
[22:31:53] <yasnak> sorry, side tracked whenever I go out on the floor haha
[22:35:49] <yasnak> https://youtu.be/O7iU4-Z0fRc
[22:36:36] <yasnak> man, i swear i cannot record videos for shit. excuse my rambling. been here since 3am. probably too much monster today haha.
[22:38:02] <Duc> how did you fix it? No audio right now
[22:38:19] <yasnak> well that black ring in the bottom, took set screw out
[22:39:00] <yasnak> played with it...it adjusted the force needed to move it. figured since star would be a week out that we'd be screw even if I broke it so I screwed it off
[22:39:06] <yasnak> then saw the setscrew literally fall out
[22:40:02] <yasnak> so i ended up pulling the entire control off and found all the bottom side bolts were loose. tighted up and slammed it back together. boom, running parts by 6:21am.
[22:40:13] <Duc> nice
[22:40:46] <yasnak> just never like messing with any wring in these machines. one loose wire and your days will be ruined.
[22:41:20] <Duc> very hard to find the issue soemtimes
[22:42:19] <yasnak> my okuma had some little rpm sensor wire that started to fray from years and years of 6" up/down peck drilling. took me forever to find it
[22:43:29] <Duc> better when they fail all the way
[22:43:40] <Duc> ok I think Im done typing tonight on my thread
[22:44:07] <yasnak> on your thread?
[22:44:42] <Duc> yep had to update it with the rotary table install. Only partly done
[22:44:59] <Duc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/12-milling/29997-bridgeport-boss5-stepper-to-servo
[22:45:03] <yasnak> thread as in post config?? sorry, little confused
[22:45:09] <Duc> new stuff is the last 2 pages
[22:45:30] <Duc> converting bridgeport boss 5 from stepper to servos and nwo the rotary table
[22:45:32] <yasnak> ah, thread as in forum
[22:45:38] <yasnak> man I need some sleep haha
[22:46:01] <yasnak> that is an amazing setup, you wired that all yourself?
[22:46:13] <Duc> yea
[22:46:43] <Duc> its my stress relieve from work
[22:47:11] <yasnak> im going to keep your name handy. electrical is definitely my weakness. checking 480v with the back of your hand isn't good technique haha
[22:47:38] <yasnak> its your stress relief? jeez, what is it that you do for work then haha
[22:48:12] <Duc> design fixtures, assembly lines and capital projects for firearms
[22:49:21] <Duc> I used to be a tech on flight simulators for 8 years so I have a electronics background before I got my mechanical engineering degree at 30
[22:49:42] <yasnak> very nice
[22:49:58] <yasnak> your own company or for another company?
[22:50:11] <Duc> i work for big green
[22:51:55] <yasnak> oh sweet, so those guys who make the actual components of assembly lines? never heard of you guys till now :P
[22:52:13] <Duc> remington firearms LOL
[22:52:51] <yasnak> sorry, when I said I'm super tired I'm not lying haha
[22:53:17] <Duc> yea its probably bed time for me also
[22:53:20] <yasnak> that being said, you may know a few things about gundrilling then eh?
[22:53:25] <yasnak> might need to pick your brain someday
[22:53:33] <Duc> yea my coworkers do
[22:53:40] <yasnak> lol
[22:53:58] <Duc> we have a full robot cell for it
[22:54:15] <yasnak> dedicated gundrilling machine or gundrill during machining?
[22:54:25] <Duc> dedicated
[22:54:38] <yasnak> I'd figure you'd have some sort of WFL machine setup
[22:55:53] <Duc> takes alot of money to make guns that dont require gunsmithing
[22:56:58] <yasnak> Considering the barrels are straight of different diameters and lengths...just set the blanks up for the robot and go haha. I can only imagine what those gundrills cost
[22:58:42] <yasnak> *not trying to make it sound easy, just wish I knew more about gundrilling. right now I'm trying to gundrill a 0.11" hole 8" deep. The part tapers over that length from 0.75" od to 0.1875". The 0.1875" side is also the end and gun drills like to find their ways out. :/
[22:58:58] <yasnak> oh and this is with a gundrill on a citizen
[22:59:24] <Duc> yes its a science and art
[22:59:29] <Duc> but its bedtime for me
[22:59:32] <Duc> Ill be on tomorrow
[22:59:37] <yasnak> have a good one man!
