#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-09

[00:47:50] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: lol
[00:49:49] <pink_vampire> brb
[00:49:52] <pink_vampire> one sec
[00:55:00] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: black
[00:55:03] <pink_vampire> back*
[00:55:55] <XXCoder> that baby hat is funny
[00:57:28] <pink_vampire> I want kids now..
[00:58:18] <XXCoder> just be sure its not just to have fad stuff
[00:58:34] <XXCoder> but then there is kids convived under worse reasons.
[01:12:45] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/JcSEZtN.png
[01:12:58] <pink_vampire> I need help with making this part.
[01:13:08] <XXCoder> thankfully that has flat sides
[01:13:24] <XXCoder> you could build a fixture to hold part for side holes
[01:13:46] <XXCoder> funnel part dunno, do you have lathe?
[01:13:53] <pink_vampire> no
[01:13:58] <pink_vampire> just 3 axis machine
[01:14:09] <pink_vampire> and it is very small.
[01:14:19] <pink_vampire> top to bottom 8.2mm
[01:14:31] <pink_vampire> diameter 8mm
[01:15:44] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^^
[01:16:07] <XXCoder> you pretty much have to make fixure for it
[01:16:17] <pink_vampire> the holes on the sides are 1.27mm diameter
[01:16:36] <pink_vampire> i need to make them for press fit
[01:17:17] <XXCoder> geez that job sounds hard heh
[01:17:33] <XXCoder> it'd be MUCH easier if you had a lathe that has milling tools
[01:18:28] <pink_vampire> i'm thinking about using 3d machining
[01:18:38] <pink_vampire> and the probe
[01:19:52] <pink_vampire> hopefully it will give me 0.02mm of error maximum
[01:20:00] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:20:02] <XXCoder> good luck
[01:20:12] <pink_vampire> do you want the file
[01:20:30] <pink_vampire> to for making one for yourself?
[01:21:01] <XXCoder> no thanks, dont have any suitable file for that
[01:21:04] <XXCoder> *machine
[01:21:20] <pink_vampire> and I'm thinking about make it from the O2 steel.
[01:21:33] <pink_vampire> what do you think?
[01:21:58] <pink_vampire> http://www.westyorkssteel.com/tool-steel/o2/
[01:22:05] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[01:22:40] <XXCoder> interesting
[01:23:09] <pink_vampire> the first one I'm going to do in brass
[01:23:45] <pink_vampire> just to feel how it work.
[01:24:24] <XXCoder> brass probably cheap to test on too?
[01:24:50] <pink_vampire> and if it will be easy enough and work good maybe I will make one from O2
[01:25:08] <pink_vampire> I can use the brass part.
[01:25:29] <pink_vampire> it's need to hold few grams.
[01:29:27] <XXCoder> suck a strange part.
[01:29:31] <XXCoder> *such
[01:33:58] <pink_vampire> I know..
[01:35:03] <pink_vampire> I design it.
[01:35:36] <XXCoder> lemme guess, its secret? heh
[01:35:41] <pink_vampire> no
[01:38:11] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/UBiyjXt.png
[01:38:16] <pink_vampire> O2 steel
[01:38:30] <pink_vampire> look at the finish - AS machined!
[01:38:47] <XXCoder> not bad yeah
[01:38:59] <pink_vampire> almost mirror!
[01:39:13] <pink_vampire> I was impressed.
[01:39:30] <XXCoder> I have seen better, but then ya know, I use expensive machines
[01:39:37] <pink_vampire> and it one of the hardest steel.!
[01:39:38] <XXCoder> and I have seen crappier
[01:39:48] <XXCoder> yours is quite decent finish
[01:40:03] <XXCoder> you just need oilstone and it can have mirror finisg
[01:40:20] <pink_vampire> I want it accurate
[01:40:23] <XXCoder> my machine cant touch that metal lol too hard
[01:40:27] <pink_vampire> and parallel
[01:40:41] <pink_vampire> I can't file it.
[01:40:42] <XXCoder> ah yeah sanding would alter that
[01:41:07] <XXCoder> there is proper methods like grinding but I never used grinder so I has no idea
[01:41:07] <pink_vampire> is so cuuuute V block.
[01:41:24] <pink_vampire> I soo like him
[01:41:44] <pink_vampire> 1/2"X1/2" X1"
[01:41:47] <pink_vampire> cuuute
[01:42:05] <maxcnc> Morning From Germany a hard day will start g-code for all 8 mashines ready to be processed
[01:42:30] <pink_vampire> maxcnc: hi
[01:42:45] <pink_vampire> maxcnc: http://i.imgur.com/UBiyjXt.png
[01:42:52] <maxcnc> http://landauer-weihnachtscircus-gmbh.de/mini_cnc.jpg
[01:43:12] <pink_vampire> nice machine
[01:43:14] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: well I got a idea for you
[01:43:16] <maxcnc> the slot in the V is not depth enoph
[01:43:37] <pink_vampire> it's 0.5mm
[01:43:37] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: and i recomend a round shape slot cutter Ball
[01:43:42] <XXCoder> make round stock, then make bottom hole and tap it
[01:43:52] <XXCoder> turn it around, tighten on fixture
[01:44:07] <maxcnc> Bottem Hole is best to come up
[01:44:08] <XXCoder> machine can then cut nut sides and that taper shape thingy
[01:44:11] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: that nice
[01:44:32] <maxcnc> Encapsulation: its up to you
[01:44:47] <XXCoder> maxcnc: how rigid is that machine? is that steel being cut?
[01:45:04] <maxcnc> coaded alu
[01:45:10] <XXCoder> coaded?
[01:46:26] <pink_vampire> the hole for the tapping have to be concentric with the hex.
[01:46:40] <pink_vampire> the top part it's not very important
[01:46:49] <XXCoder> indeed that is why method I outlined is pretty strightforward
[01:47:11] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about cutting is up side down
[01:47:11] <XXCoder> just find xy around the screw down fixture and it will be close to tolence
[01:47:29] <pink_vampire> then to flip is and do the top
[01:47:41] <pink_vampire> then to open the sides
[01:47:46] <maxcnc> XXCoder: its aluminium with a powder color on it
[01:47:52] <XXCoder> ahh
[01:47:55] <maxcnc> the frame is 30x30mm
[01:48:09] <XXCoder> 3 cm by 3 cm?
[01:48:13] <XXCoder> that is tiny
[01:48:14] <maxcnc> yes
[01:48:26] <pink_vampire> 30cm?
[01:48:28] <maxcnc> the whole mashine is 200x200x250mm
[01:48:48] <pink_vampire> cute,
[01:48:50] <maxcnc> lok at the DB25 con to the right
[01:48:55] <XXCoder> yeah wow tiny
[01:49:10] <XXCoder> my machine work area is larger than your entire machine
[01:49:12] <pink_vampire> but your Z axis is nice
[01:49:37] <maxcnc> its the best double rail cross
[01:49:37] <XXCoder> but then its great for small parts
[01:49:46] <pink_vampire> my s 45x17
[01:49:50] <pink_vampire> Z30
[01:49:51] <pink_vampire> cm
[01:49:57] <maxcnc> workes only for less then 60mm
[01:50:24] <maxcnc> http://bossert-veranstaltungsservice.de/ENC2.mpg
[01:50:28] <pink_vampire> why did you go with the round rails?
[01:50:33] <maxcnc> going to build this one today
[01:50:43] <maxcnc> frame is 60x60mm Alu
[01:51:03] <maxcnc> workarea 780x780x280mm
[01:51:08] <pink_vampire> how did you make the animation?
[01:51:17] <maxcnc> its heeks art
[01:51:38] <pink_vampire> ok..
[01:51:57] <maxcnc> but Fusion360 got also the plugin
[01:52:06] <pink_vampire> it's much better to go with the H rails
[01:52:17] <maxcnc> simply move the part to frameset
[01:52:27] <pink_vampire> the round rails has some flex.
[01:52:28] <maxcnc> and stack the frameset to the axes
[01:52:53] <maxcnc> then animate the axes
[01:53:02] <maxcnc> ok
[01:53:06] <maxcnc> i need to start
[01:53:17] <maxcnc> till afternoon
[02:16:17] <CaptHindsight> was ist los?
[02:16:40] <pink_vampire> ??
[02:20:59] <Deejay> moin
[02:23:21] <CaptHindsight> der Hund ist lose
[02:23:35] <Deejay> the dog is loose?
[02:23:47] <Deejay> beware of the dog!
[02:24:18] <Deejay> Der will nur spielen! ;)
[02:26:05] <CaptHindsight> Mein Hund hat keine Nase, aber er immer noch riecht
[02:26:13] <CaptHindsight> terrible
[02:26:52] <Deejay> hrhr
[02:29:57] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1RFkxxRuvs&nohtml5=False
[02:31:30] <pink_vampire> my finish look like junk now.
[02:32:01] <XXCoder> there is always some machine better than yours
[02:32:16] <XXCoder> what matter is that your machine can do decent jobs
[02:33:19] <CaptHindsight> nah, omce you get away from open source projects the machines are great but the software sucks
[02:34:06] <CaptHindsight> unfortunately Linux attracts cheapskates vs perfectionists
[02:35:07] <XXCoder> one awesome thing about open source is that if there is some advance of software
[02:35:10] <XXCoder> it stays around.
[02:35:22] <XXCoder> closedware source constantly gets lost
[02:35:29] <archivist> professional cheapskate=more profit :)
[02:37:25] <CaptHindsight> then the corporatists get involved and things like the current Ubuntu are everywhere
[02:37:56] <CaptHindsight> archivist: for the few and far between
[02:38:23] <archivist> I wish I had some of the profit
[02:38:54] <XXCoder> there will never be a perfect system
[02:40:18] <CaptHindsight> archivist: how often does someone pay you or even acknowledge your good advice?
[02:42:23] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[02:42:45] <archivist> rarely
[02:43:10] <evil_ren> archivist: i <3 you
[03:46:07] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/VQLVLMW autonomous waterjet
[03:55:18] <XXCoder> hm
[03:55:22] <XXCoder> psi way too low
[03:55:29] <XXCoder> I see bunch design flaws
[03:55:34] <XXCoder> alpha design I guess.
[03:59:40] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: thanks, that was fun gif heh
[06:07:57] <pink_vampire> hex done.
[06:08:14] <XXCoder> just clamped and ran tool arounbd making hex?
[06:08:18] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/uxD3ICd.png
[06:08:25] <XXCoder> just curious on your milling process of that part
[06:08:48] <XXCoder> ooks like you made a hole and bolted it down
[06:08:54] <XXCoder> then made it a hex?
[06:11:20] <pink_vampire> I've used the small V block that I made to hold the round stock, then i did, face, hex, chamfer (same code and tool), then back to x0 y0, replace to 1/16" tool, and drilling the hole
[06:12:08] <XXCoder> it was orginially longer rod?
[06:12:15] <pink_vampire> yes
[06:12:21] <XXCoder> makes sense.
[06:12:21] <pink_vampire> 1' long
[06:13:37] <XXCoder> so basically v block was sideways holding rod upwards
[06:13:45] <XXCoder> vice?
[06:13:59] <pink_vampire> one sec I will show you pic
[06:14:07] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/INVKcIf.png
[06:14:23] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[06:14:28] <XXCoder> nice
[06:14:43] <XXCoder> I have yet to figure how to clamp my parts, up to point
[06:14:56] <XXCoder> probably double tapes for easy cut stuff
[06:15:23] <XXCoder> I have some slot nuts as well as threads nuts to clamp wood surface down to act as surficial surface
[06:15:30] <pink_vampire> now I'm going to make the 1.27mm holes on the sides (scary)
[06:16:06] <pink_vampire> the 1/32" end mill is sooo fragile,
[06:16:25] <XXCoder> heh yeah very frigile
[06:16:31] <pink_vampire> and I need to make a hole with it
[06:16:35] <XXCoder> blow on it wrong and it breaks
[06:16:51] <pink_vampire> and brass like to grab tools and kill them
[06:17:03] <XXCoder> too bad there is no smaller drill in order to make em easier to mill hole.
[06:17:26] <pink_vampire> maybe to drill it first..
[06:17:43] <pink_vampire> then just to make it bigger with the end mill
[06:17:52] <XXCoder> thats usually better way yeah
[06:17:59] <minibnz> pink dont drill it first.. it will grab and snap instantly..
[06:18:14] <XXCoder> though I have no experence with brass
[06:18:20] <minibnz> you need to use high revs and slow z feed rate..
[06:18:33] <pink_vampire> 1000 rpm max..
[06:18:46] <XXCoder> very slow z it is
[06:18:48] <pink_vampire> what feed rate on the X Y?
[06:19:03] <pink_vampire> 1mm/m?
[06:19:05] <minibnz> and use something to lubricate it. wd40 is ok but something thicker is better.
[06:19:23] <pink_vampire> cutting oil?
[06:19:42] <pink_vampire> it's 1/32" carabide tool 4 flute
[06:20:28] <minibnz> for the tiny stuff i use differential oil, (stuff from cars) its thick and will stick to the cutter better at the high revs. 1000rpm would be the slowest
[06:20:53] <minibnz> hmm for carbide you can simply use compressed air to cool the cutter if you have a compressor
[06:21:25] <pink_vampire> I don't have a compressor.
[06:21:38] <minibnz> i only use HSS for the moment.. once i know what i am doing i will start to use carbide they cost too much to snap learning things :)
[06:21:49] <pink_vampire> it's going to be 2 mm deep
[06:22:13] <pink_vampire> that one is made in usa..
[06:22:19] <pink_vampire> expensive
[06:22:21] <pink_vampire> :(
[06:22:27] <minibnz> 0.5mm deep cuts 1000rpm 1mm/m should be fine.
[06:23:17] <minibnz> wd40 is ok if you have nothing else but you need to keep applying it as it wont stick to the cutter where it needs to be to work
[06:23:21] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about 0.05 5mm/min
[06:24:02] <minibnz> see things like this is where i love my handles :) i can adjust the feed speed as i go :)
[06:24:21] <minibnz> then if i need to make more i can program them after the first one :)
[06:24:43] <pink_vampire> I think to blow the chips out will be better then make them stick
[06:24:53] <pink_vampire> I can do it also..
[06:25:06] <minibnz> i have 1.0mm endmills and 2mm ball cutter and endmill i got in packs of 10 for $10au HSS
[06:25:30] <XXCoder> $10 au? pretty cheap.
[06:25:32] <minibnz> i have snapped a few so far but they are cheap..
[06:25:56] <minibnz> so they were $1each :)
[06:26:18] <pink_vampire> that one is about 7$
[06:26:25] <minibnz> i use them on aluminium and plastics and brass. have cut some T5 pulleys with them
[06:26:57] <pink_vampire> I used them to cut the V block O2 steel.
[06:27:02] <pink_vampire> rock hard.
[06:27:07] <minibnz> the only problem with going to shallow is that the tool will just rub its way along rather than cut into the metal
[06:27:16] <minibnz> nice
[06:27:40] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/UBiyjXt.png
[06:28:23] <minibnz> very nice..
[06:28:38] <pink_vampire> thanks
[06:29:40] <minibnz> i made some vblocks that are not worth showing.. infact i take care that they dont show up in photo's when i take them..
[06:29:50] <_methods> hehe
[06:30:21] <minibnz> the served their purpose on the day.. now they are just simple spacer blocks.
[06:30:33] <XXCoder> yeah pinjk did decent on vblock
[06:30:35] <pink_vampire> the setup is going to be nightmare
[06:31:13] <pink_vampire> the finish is AS machined
[06:31:26] <pink_vampire> look at the reflection. I soo like them
[06:31:28] <XXCoder> I dont know how large your machine head is but might be able to use your v block to hold and clamps on sides
[06:31:49] <XXCoder> though I wonder if oilstone would keep parallelism and flatness
[06:34:44] <minibnz> if you constantly rotate the peice as you hone them it helps to keep parallel. and push in figure 8 pattern
[06:35:22] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:36:25] <minibnz> do a fig 8 pattern and each lap you rotate the part 90' then 45'..
[06:36:47] <minibnz> that way when you are pushing you dont favor one end or corner.
[06:36:55] <XXCoder> makes sense
[06:37:10] <XXCoder> though her part finish is quite decent I'd probably left it as is.
[06:37:17] <minibnz> its how you do fiber optics, but for another reason..
[06:37:54] <minibnz> the better the finish the quicker it will collect marks and look worse.. :)
[06:39:09] <minibnz> i have completed my belt drive. its sooo much quieter now..
[06:39:27] <minibnz> just need some motivation to make somthing with the now quiet mill.. :)
[06:39:28] <XXCoder> true, that
[06:40:45] <minibnz> had to use a bit of 8mm perspex to mount the motor on as i didnt have any aluminium. i will keep my eye on it, to see if it cracks or breaks andsee if it needs to be metal.
[06:41:22] <XXCoder> awesome
[06:41:31] <XXCoder> quieter = can run little bit later
[06:41:51] <minibnz> next for the mill is the automatic tool changer. my mate has a bigger mill so i have given him the design of the power drawbar and the metal to make it with.. so i just need to make the platter.
[06:43:24] <minibnz> XXCoder exactly... i have tried not to run it past 9pm on a school night and 11pm on a weekend night.. but now the people down stairs have moved out and the shop has it for storage i might be able to run it unitl 11pm without complaint
[06:45:10] <minibnz> the mod has lost me my spindle speed input.. it was only a index hall sensor not a full encoder but i am looking at making a encoder wheel for it.. and mount the full quad + index signals
[06:45:40] <pink_vampire> I fond a mistake at the part.
[06:46:02] <minibnz> i have a sheet of 0.5mm thick aluminium and a 1mm cutter that i might make a slotted wheel out of..
[06:46:28] <minibnz> is it not centered?
[06:46:51] <pink_vampire> the top narrow cylinder was too long and too thin, and without a chamfer
[06:46:51] <XXCoder> there is plenty of encoder pattern generators too.
[06:48:12] <minibnz> yeah i am wondering how i will mount my opto sensors on the head now.. there is a hole i am thinking of using that used to have a drive shaft in, its now free and will make the setup neat and hidden
[06:48:26] <minibnz> i can draw the encoder wheel thats easy.
[06:48:48] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: doh in least its brass test one
[06:48:57] <XXCoder> gonna love NCMs
[06:49:47] <pink_vampire> I didn't cut it yet..
[06:49:48] <pink_vampire> so..
[06:49:58] <pink_vampire> what is NCMs?
[06:50:24] <XXCoder> I dont know what long version is, but its a test part
[06:50:26] <minibnz> numerical controlled machine.
[06:50:39] <XXCoder> when part is harder metal, test is usually much cheaper aluminium
[06:50:50] <XXCoder> its good when part is dang expensive and you dont wanna scrap any.
[06:50:58] <minibnz> oh
[06:52:29] <pink_vampire> if it will work I think I will use it..
[06:52:35] <jthornton> finally broke through the 13 stone mark 12.9 stone today
[06:52:41] <minibnz> nill cost matirial?
[06:52:57] <XXCoder> no idea
[06:53:08] <XXCoder> it must be stomped on resulting part
[06:53:24] <XXCoder> sometimes scrapped part that can still be worked on for next steps become a ncm
[06:53:24] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure
[06:53:42] <XXCoder> it might be company-specific lingo dunno
[06:53:57] <minibnz> ok
[06:54:16] <minibnz> two bad guesses will do :) for now..
[06:54:19] <jthornton> loosing 4.2 stone doesn't sound as good as loosing 60 pounds
[06:54:42] <pink_vampire> jthornton: what are you doing?
[06:54:47] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure?
[06:54:57] <XXCoder> nubile cool mermaid?
[06:55:14] <jthornton> reducing my gravitational attraction to the earth
[06:55:27] <minibnz> so i just realised my dream of a big tool changer is going to be somewhat imposible due to the space available and what will be required. so i am mulling over some new ideas on how to best optimise the space to tool count...
[06:55:43] <XXCoder> jthornton: youre also pulling earth to you. just VASTLY less force
[06:56:20] <XXCoder> when you jump you also pushes earth down. probably by distance so small an atom would not detect it
[06:57:28] <minibnz> thinking a carousel thats a belt thats more like a chain with tool trays on it. might be the best way to get a lot of holders in the small area.
[06:57:38] <jthornton> jump is no longer in my vocabulary
[07:05:10] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5003-0033
[07:05:14] <pink_vampire> cuuuuuuteeee
[07:05:54] <pink_vampire> soooo adorable
[07:05:56] <pink_vampire> !!!
[07:06:14] <XXCoder> thought you bought one while ago
[07:06:54] <pink_vampire> almost..
[07:07:02] <minibnz> damn thats $$$$
[07:07:23] <XXCoder> $50 isnt too bad
[07:07:24] <minibnz> i was thinking of mounting a roller bearing on the end of the probe i am building..
[07:07:26] <XXCoder> ruby
[07:07:39] <pink_vampire> that save a lot of time on the setup
[07:07:39] <XXCoder> artifical one but yeah
[07:07:39] <minibnz> until you overdrive an axis and snap it..
[07:07:51] <XXCoder> well many tools cost more
[07:08:00] <pink_vampire> minibnz: it will work the same
[07:08:01] <jthornton> wow to sell on amazon they have a bunch of fees
[07:08:09] <XXCoder> I once broke $300 tool just touching down to get length
[07:08:14] <XXCoder> stupid mistake
[07:08:24] <XXCoder> early in my internship lol
[07:08:32] <minibnz> ATM i have no confidence in my machine or my skills driving it.. so breakage must be an option.. or i wont play..
[07:08:45] <XXCoder> yeah el cheapo tools for now
[07:08:47] <XXCoder> same for me
[07:09:06] <pink_vampire> I never brake tools
[07:09:13] <pink_vampire> just the machine..
[07:09:55] <pink_vampire> I need to eat something
[07:10:42] <minibnz> although now i have ballscrews i am getting more confidence in the machine to do what i tell it.. i did some cutting in plastic for my beltdrive and it did really nice i had to do a second peice so i upped the speeds and now i think it can go a bit faster but need to re-learn what it can and cant do, it seems way more capable now..
[07:11:07] <minibnz> removing backlash is more important than i had realised.
[07:11:07] <pink_vampire> now I saw, the seam is carbide! 0.8mm of tungsten carbide, it's super fragile!
[07:11:51] <minibnz> i was getting good results before with the leadscrews and the backlash they had but the ballscrews are so much better i can drive the axis faster loaded and unloaded..
[07:11:54] <XXCoder> frigile but resistant to darn near everything
[07:12:00] <XXCoder> including temp changes
[07:13:18] <pink_vampire> what about carbon fiber?
[07:13:25] <pink_vampire> it have too much flex.
[07:13:34] <minibnz> i have used some 0.25mm drills on my mill and it was scary, had to make nozzles for my printer.i could see the drill flex as i was drilling.. so going sideways with anything smaller than 1mm is crazy :)
[07:13:41] <pink_vampire> how it even can use as seam??
[07:13:55] <XXCoder> not sure about carbon fiber
[07:14:21] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5003-9506
[07:14:32] <pink_vampire> $230.00
[07:14:35] <minibnz> for carbon fiber you are going to need really fast speeds or the cutter will simply pull the fibers out rather than cut them.. then it will snap
[07:14:36] <pink_vampire> carbon fibre stem
[07:14:58] <XXCoder> minibnz: shes talking about probe
[07:15:09] <minibnz> oh i see what you mean not to mill the carbon..
[07:15:11] <XXCoder> price is insane
[07:15:21] <minibnz> yeah
[07:15:30] <XXCoder> minibnz: I have milled fiberglass blocks
[07:15:33] <minibnz> that would have some flex in X and Y
[07:15:35] <XXCoder> that material eats tools.
[07:15:40] <XXCoder> literally.
[07:15:50] <pink_vampire> on the seam you need hard and light wight material.. and zero flex.
[07:16:08] <XXCoder> one tool I have to decrease diameter .0005 to .001" each part till its too old and new tool replaced
[07:17:00] <pink_vampire> brb, FOOD
[07:33:06] <pink_vampire> back
[07:55:24] <archivist> minibnz, have you seen these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281722204251
[07:57:34] <minibnz> have now :) thanks.. only problem is that it has a 3/4 inch shank. the biggest 3MT collet i can find is a 16mm
[07:58:02] <minibnz> i think tormach use a 3/4" shank... they sell the 3/4 collet i think..
[07:58:32] <minibnz> i am eagerly waiting to get paid.. its only a few days.. and that looks really good.
[07:58:49] <jthornton> it's going to be a good day to dig in the dirt
[07:59:01] <_methods> playin with the hoes again?
[07:59:23] <jthornton> yea, I have 3 stumps left and a bunch of dirt to move
[07:59:36] <minibnz> actually that solves a problem i was having trying to decide on how long the shank needs to be..
[07:59:42] * jthornton is making flat spot
[08:00:03] <archivist> minibnz, yes they are the totmach lookalikes, the thing I like is the ground register for length, missing on the cheap parallel ones
[08:00:13] <_methods> i'm getting my ass kicked by my shapers oiler system
[08:00:20] <_methods> they used copper piping for all of it
[08:00:30] <_methods> every time i adjust one it breaks joints on another one lol
[08:00:36] <minibnz> i was going to add my own press on flanges for indexing.
[08:00:54] <archivist> remember to soften the copper pipes first :)
[08:00:58] <minibnz> but that saves me the hassle and is only $2 more than what i was going to pay.
[08:01:23] <_methods> is that how they did it?
[08:02:10] <_methods> i've honestly never had to mess with a copper oiler system
[08:02:27] <archivist> copper work hardens
[08:02:57] <_methods> did they heat up the pipes while they were adjusting them into location?
[08:03:14] <jthornton> is it hard copper or soft copper?
[08:03:32] <_methods> soft
[08:03:49] <_methods> i think i just need to quit being such a gorilla while adjusting them
[08:04:12] <jthornton> that could be a problem too
[08:04:19] <_methods> lol
[08:04:23] <minibnz> i was thinking of going with a 16mm shank tool holder
[08:04:26] <_methods> i had to rip the whole system out though
[08:04:40] <_methods> the lines were plugged in there somewhere
[08:10:00] <minibnz> but 19mm shanks will be stronger
[08:22:45] <Encapsulation> xD
[08:38:09] <__rob> anyone ever tried alum for removing a broken tap from aluminium ?
[08:39:49] <archivist> I usually go to a local workshop with edm and palm them a note to blast a tap out
[08:41:07] <Tom_itx> jthornton, how many stones have you thrown away?
[08:49:49] <_methods> jthornton has all the luck he gets to play with hoes and get stoned
[08:56:35] <jthornton> 4.2 stones
[08:58:24] <archivist> bit small for a beer belly
[09:03:36] * JT-Shop doesn't have a beer belly any more
[09:04:35] * JT-Shop starts a fire to take the chill off the shop
[09:05:17] <Tom_itx> did you get your trike fixed?
[09:06:49] <JT-Shop> they called yesterday and said the output shaft had play and the engine has to come out and get disassembled, of course I knew that before I took it to them lol
[09:07:10] <Tom_itx> it's taken them that long to figure that out?
[09:08:01] <JT-Shop> they ordered the parts for the first thing they found then had to wait on them to arrive
[09:09:02] <JT-Shop> I guess they have to follow procedure when it is warranty work
[09:09:40] <Tom_itx> what would that be? be lazy and spend all the alotted time?
[09:10:44] <JT-Shop> no, they are very good and very busy
[09:11:00] <JT-Shop> I've known them for a while and trust them
[11:07:03] <gregcnc> Hah! searching thEbay for a vise I found a photo of MY vise!! pic taken from my site. http://www.ebay.com/itm/322057606650
[11:12:09] <archivist> gregcnc, there used to be a report this item link
[11:14:49] <CaptHindsight> if you zoom in on the 3rd pic/far right you can see their mailing address
[11:16:54] <archivist> one of my youtube vids used to be copied a lot
[11:22:36] <archivist> also found a pic I took in a museum stolen and used on a blog, but they linked back to source
[11:23:29] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vise-Stop-Locator-CNC-Mill-3-8-1-Jaw-Clamping-Tool-Bridgeport-Work-Stop/272092565107?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35934%26meid%3D31c98d415a05461097f4b5fda6fa612b%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D322057606650
[11:24:00] <pink_vampire> my next project? or better to jest buy it?
[11:24:58] <CaptHindsight> I guess that obfuscating just linux was not enough https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/
[11:25:22] <pink_vampire> also my vise jaws full of marks and dents, is there a way to fix them?
[11:25:34] <Loetmichel> hmm
[11:26:21] <pink_vampire> I think I need someone with surface grinder to flat them again
[11:26:30] <Loetmichel> that Msihpromylop or polysomething is overdoing it a bit. I had 4(!) query open just now with some questions i answered already a few time... he is tarting to annoy me :(
[11:27:08] <archivist> only you!
[11:27:16] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: yes, has been here the past month and changes nick after he get ignored
[11:28:42] <pink_vampire> I did a voice chat with him on discord. for few hours.
[11:28:52] <CaptHindsight> he behaves as though he has an anxiety disorder, but that might just be a new sophisticated form of trolling
[11:29:05] <pink_vampire> hope after that voice chat he will get the X6
[11:29:07] <Loetmichel> we have a proverb in germany... "give someone a finger and he will take the whole hand"... i shouldnt have helped him when he asked first. some people suffer from Decidophobie
[11:29:57] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: you recoomended the x6 to him?
[11:30:00] <Loetmichel> for sheet metal?
[11:30:31] <Loetmichel> ah, sorry
[11:30:34] <pink_vampire> for cutting aluminum boxes,
[11:30:39] <Loetmichel> you mean x6-1500?
[11:30:42] <archivist> he also wants to make guitar bodies
[11:30:51] <mase-tech> Loetmichel: was ist den decidophobie
[11:30:54] <Loetmichel> i had some "bridgeport" clone assocoated wiht x6
[11:30:55] <archivist> and lack clue
[11:31:06] <pink_vampire> he can do it no problem on the X6
[11:31:09] <Loetmichel> mase-tech: "fear of decisions"
[11:31:12] <pink_vampire> yex the X6-1500
[11:31:15] <pink_vampire> yes*
[11:31:28] <mase-tech> Hmm dann hab ich das auch
[11:31:57] <mase-tech> Ich will mir einen cnc maschine bauen... ich will in erster linie was dabei lernen und nicht soviel geld ausgeben
[11:32:09] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: I just ignore his 4-5 nicks
[11:32:09] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: i would call the x6-1550 a "China 6040 clone" ;)
[11:32:24] <mase-tech> alleine die linear schienen kosten 90 euro
[11:32:29] <pink_vampire> no.. it build much better,
[11:32:39] <Loetmichel> mase-tech: here is english.
[11:32:52] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: so an "upgrade clone"
[11:32:54] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[11:32:54] <pink_vampire> better rails, higher Z axis, better drivers.
[11:33:13] <Loetmichel> better rails? where=
[11:33:33] <Loetmichel> I see the same supported in y and unsupported in x and z as my Chinese 6040
[11:33:36] <pink_vampire> H rails on the X6 vs round on the 6040
[11:33:52] <Loetmichel> do you have pictures of the H rails?
[11:34:22] <Loetmichel> i see simple round rails on x ( the two big allen screws on the gantry side give it away)
[11:34:37] <pink_vampire> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-usb-3a-cnc-desktop-engraver.html
[11:34:43] <pink_vampire> scroll down
[11:34:52] <pink_vampire> HG20 Linear Guide Rails
[11:35:03] <Loetmichel> AH!
[11:35:17] <pink_vampire> I want to use something like that on my Z axis
[11:35:25] <Loetmichel> they used the allen screws to fix the gantry back plate...
[11:35:26] <Loetmichel> i see
[11:35:28] <Loetmichel> nice!
[11:35:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.spiritsoffrance.com.au/719-thickbox/massenez-william-pear-40-700ml.jpg what if you did this with tree limbs in the shape of guitars?
[11:36:36] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: on youtube they show that it cut steel..
[11:36:45] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: the usb motion control card is rubbish tho ;-)
[11:36:45] <pink_vampire> and the cuts look ok..
[11:36:47] <pink_vampire> so..
[11:37:01] <Loetmichel> oh, mine does steel as well
[11:37:13] <Loetmichel> just have to go waaaay dont with cutting depth ;)
[11:37:38] <Loetmichel> It does aluminum pretty well tho
[11:37:42] <pink_vampire> worst case scenario he will need to get C10 board..
[11:37:52] <mase-tech> HEy peps I want to build a cnc machine on ym own
[11:37:59] <pink_vampire> my do almost just steel :)
[11:38:25] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: that nice
[11:38:29] <mase-tech> Therefore it should be cheap and I want to learn a priori
[11:38:44] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTTP0RomA0 <- 3mm aluminium computer back plate
[11:38:48] <CaptHindsight> _methods: kickstarter http://www.toxel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/pears05.jpg
[11:38:54] <mase-tech> but it should be good enough to cut wood
[11:39:09] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: http://i.imgur.com/UBiyjXt.png
[11:39:18] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/INVKcIf.png
[11:39:25] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/uxD3ICd.png
[11:39:37] <pink_vampire> finish as machined.
[11:39:42] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkKHPsJtZlc <- drillming some 2,5mm holes in a 1,5mm Al-sheet. Remotely ;)
[11:40:29] <pink_vampire> I'm drilling now 1.27mm holes
[11:40:29] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDcCyF_gVoY <- some Thread cutting ;)
[11:40:43] <pink_vampire> with 1/32" (0.7mm) end mill
[11:41:10] <pink_vampire> why you did a screw??
[11:41:16] <_methods> CaptHindsight: i can't believe i missed that one
[11:41:26] <CaptHindsight> http://i.imgur.com/vPMc5UU.jpg on the tree
[11:41:28] <Loetmichel> its a "screw in-button"
[11:42:01] <Loetmichel> to feed the original power switch to the new backplate of a shielding enclosure of a 19" rack Server
[11:42:29] <CaptHindsight> grow fruit in the shape of your face
[11:42:39] <pink_vampire> what is the smallest thing that you cut?
[11:42:56] <maxcnc> hi all from a cool Germany
[11:43:06] <pink_vampire> hi maxcnc
[11:43:08] <maxcnc> hard day on CNC finished
[11:43:11] <Loetmichel> lets say the smallest mill bits i have are 0,3mm diameter
[11:43:12] <maxcnc> even a hard week
[11:43:21] <Loetmichel> aht they are "a bit prone to breaking off" ;)
[11:43:42] <maxcnc> today 40sheeds 2mx1m 3mm thick plasam
[11:43:53] <maxcnc> 25m 60x60 Alu
[11:44:31] <maxcnc> and 4 3.5x2.5 1inch MDF
[11:44:41] <maxcnc> down the mashines
[11:44:51] <maxcnc> only one fail
[11:45:22] <maxcnc> always th e ee that fails on some gcode
[11:45:45] <maxcnc> mase-tech: hi
[11:46:03] <maxcnc> size expected
[11:46:49] <CaptHindsight> _methods: how about cnc cut stencils for your face on your coffee?
[11:46:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160407-grab-a-coffee-with-stephen-fry-thanks-to-3d-printed-coffee-art.html
[11:47:48] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: you could knock those out of HDPE in what 90 seconds top?
[11:48:01] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: next procekt oval cutting on 500 parts stencis .2thick
[11:48:34] * JT-Shop will never do that again
[11:48:45] <CaptHindsight> start selling coffee shops small fast routers and an app to threshold customer pics
[11:48:52] <mase-tech> maxcnc:
[11:48:54] <mase-tech> hi
[11:50:42] <CaptHindsight> though would be faster to use an inkjet to dump the image onto the surface of the coffee
[11:53:07] <CaptHindsight> I bet using the top of your coffee for advertising would be the way to go
[12:01:23] <CaptHindsight> don't leave your Gallium on your aluminum anythings https://youtu.be/aGxsHkWRF-E?t=26s
[12:05:08] <djdelorie> mase-tech: lots of cnc kits and plans at openbuilds.com
[12:10:13] <CaptHindsight> what is the fastest way to go from g-code to a finished HDPE mold, max dia, 50mm (2") 5mm Z (.2") with 0.25mm res (.01")?
[12:11:02] <CaptHindsight> for 1 ups, not mass production
[12:13:46] <t12> mold made of hdpe or mold for hdpe
[12:14:07] <CaptHindsight> mold out of HDPE
[12:14:19] <gregcnc> capt you don't buy enough aluminum from Adams, their rack only had channel and hollow shapes
[12:15:47] <t12> machining out of stock seems reasonable
[12:15:50] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I've only gotten aluminum and steel plate and steel bar there
[12:16:00] <t12> dunno how hdpe machines though
[12:16:14] <CaptHindsight> too hot and it melts
[12:16:19] <CaptHindsight> sticks to the tool
[12:16:33] <t12> what about cryomachining it
[12:16:38] <CaptHindsight> so maybe CO2 spray to keep it cool and hard while milling
[12:16:42] <t12> chips?
[12:16:53] <gregcnc> I has hoping they had some 1.5x2 bar or even drops, no luck
[12:17:04] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: aluminum?
[12:17:07] <t12> throughhole liq co2?
[12:17:08] <gregcnc> yes
[12:17:16] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i would make a steel die and ounch them out of hdpe foil
[12:17:43] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: these are 1 ups, not mass production
[12:18:04] <CaptHindsight> so each is unique
[12:18:31] <Loetmichel> yeah, i could mill them in about 2-3 minutes or so
[12:19:11] <Loetmichel> i would use an 30° engraver bit tho, no 0,3mm end mill
[12:19:43] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: so to do it in under 60 seconds.....
[12:20:10] <Loetmichel> you just have to have a mill that runs 80krpm and F15000 ;)
[12:20:13] <CaptHindsight> was thinking cooling the HDPE and using 50K--100K rpm spindle
[12:20:17] <Loetmichel> (mm/min)
[12:21:14] <CaptHindsight> 300K rpm spindle and liquid nitrogen
[12:21:23] <djdelorie> CaptHindsight: I had melting problems with FR4, the key is to keep the IPS way up
[12:21:38] <t12> machine an aluminum positive and cast the hdpe mold?
[12:22:10] <Loetmichel> t2: he said "one-off"
[12:22:14] <t12> so
[12:22:18] <Loetmichel> i would do it with a steel die
[12:22:19] <t12> thats a small vol
[12:22:26] <maxcnc> yes Teflon spry is best to go on
[12:22:27] <CaptHindsight> to slow, or you can SLA 5mm/minute at 10x better res
[12:22:34] <t12> the alum cost is negligable
[12:22:54] <Loetmichel> made one with less than success for nickel sputtered nylon ribbons
[12:24:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11816&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:24:08] <mase-tech> djdelorie: thx for the link, I already know it
[12:24:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11828
[12:24:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11840
[12:25:14] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11843 <- the anti-glue-paper was cut fine, but the nylon proved to be a bit too resilient for mild steel. should have hardened it before grinding the edge ;)
[12:25:53] <Loetmichel> but in HDPE it should work fine
[12:26:52] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11849&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- made it with a premade punch and an xacto knife afterwards ;)
[12:27:30] <CaptHindsight> https://show.restaurant.org/Home is 5 weeks out
[12:29:20] <mase-tech> The competion is not to put ready to assemble parts together. this is too easy. I want to build a cnc to learn. Therefore it must be cheap and able to cut PCB and wood#
[12:30:05] <maxcnc> http://www.cnc-discount.de/ pink is your friend
[12:30:35] <CaptHindsight> start with t-slot, the adult erector set
[12:31:05] <CaptHindsight> then replace the t-slot as you learn why it's not working as well as it can
[12:31:55] <djdelorie> mase-tech: then see http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/ - I built mine from scraps I had in the shop over a couple of weekends
[12:33:48] <mase-tech> I build a "Scrap" cnc too. I savaged a old printer and scanner. I bought a raspi and wrote a python programm to drive the stepper motors.
[12:34:11] <mase-tech> but I don t want to call this attampet "machine" :D
[12:34:28] <CaptHindsight> t12: with 1 mold or pattern you can make food grade molds in corn starch very quickly
[12:35:45] <mase-tech> djdelorie: wau good work. :)
[12:36:10] <djdelorie> well, "good enough" work at least. I haven't tried cutting aluminum with it yet...
[12:43:09] <t12> i guess the ? is will the hdpe shatter in ln2 under machining
[12:44:05] <malcom2073> djdelorie: Do you intend to cut aluminum replacement parts for the wood and slowly work it to be a stronger machine?
[12:44:34] <malcom2073> It's impressive none the less
[12:44:37] <t12> theres a whole thing of making choc molds too
[12:44:43] <djdelorie> I don't know. It was intended to be a plywood cutter, and a "learning" machine
[12:44:57] <djdelorie> I do want to add CNC to my bridgeport though, I might try cutting those parts on it
[12:46:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.moldmakingtechnology.com/articles/cryogenic-machining-eliminates-moldmaking-conundrum
[12:47:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ptonline.com/products/materials-liquid-nitrogren-cools-plastics-machining-
[12:47:25] <t12> the ghetto way would be just to have a gantry style and do everything in a ln2 bath
[12:47:34] <mase-tech> djdelorie: I like your work, but I don't like the belt
[12:47:36] <t12> throughhole ln2 could be weird for various reasons
[12:47:49] <t12> (if not engineered)
[12:47:58] <CaptHindsight> t12: LN2 is just applied locally to the cutting area
[12:48:01] <djdelorie> which belt?
[12:48:16] <CaptHindsight> cost vs time
[12:48:24] <mase-tech> http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2574.html
[12:48:41] <CaptHindsight> 2 minutes without LN2, <60 seconds with?
[12:48:51] <mase-tech> You bought the linear rails, but not the coupling
[12:49:14] <t12> i mean for test
[12:49:20] <mase-tech> By the way which motors are u using
[12:49:21] <t12> pumping ln2 is.. weird
[12:49:24] <CaptHindsight> wood eye make a wooden router?
[12:49:28] <djdelorie> I didn't buy the rails, they were leftovers, and the servos go up to 6000 RPM so gearing them down is kinda needed
[12:49:36] <t12> pumping lhe is the worst
[12:49:56] <djdelorie> NEMA 34 BLDC, 160V
[12:50:07] <CaptHindsight> CO2 spray is easy
[12:50:17] <mase-tech> djdelorie: from where did u got the rails
[12:50:23] <djdelorie> actually, I didn't buy *any* of the parts for that cnc
[12:50:38] <djdelorie> a friend brought over a box of spare parts, including the rails and gears
[12:50:48] <mase-tech> you are lucky :)
[12:50:50] <djdelorie> he said "let's see what we can make from this"
[12:51:03] <CaptHindsight> I wood have used wood for bearings
[12:51:14] <t12> lol
[12:51:14] <djdelorie> I did for the Z
[12:51:16] <t12> hardwood roller bearing
[12:51:59] <CaptHindsight> the plywood is already a composite
[12:52:18] <CaptHindsight> polymer wood bearings, rail and screws
[12:52:44] <djdelorie> anyway, projects call, got to go... later :-)
[12:53:01] <mase-tech> djdelorie: ok cu :)
[12:56:11] <CaptHindsight> http://woodexbearing.com/uploads/visual_edit/harrow-halves-1.png
[12:56:41] <CaptHindsight> http://woodexbearing.com/products
[12:57:27] * Polymorphism researches
[12:58:03] <malcom2073> *furiously*
[12:58:17] <CaptHindsight> http://lumberjocks.com/mochoa/blog/33045
[12:58:30] <CaptHindsight> https://s3.amazonaws.com/lumberjocks.com/mdsjj36.jpg
[12:59:16] <CaptHindsight> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MyfUSBs6Nfg/UFaXOAVOEnI/AAAAAAAADks/Bvmq9lqFVNw/s1024/DSC01148.JPG
[13:00:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoMhAm-JZUw wooden ballscrew
[13:01:14] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTxivqmK4s0
[13:01:18] <malcom2073> Even better! :P
[13:01:36] <CaptHindsight> gotta be wood
[13:01:59] <malcom2073> Wonder if there is any wood recirculating bearings like that
[13:02:04] <malcom2073> I've seen the ballscrews before
[13:02:07] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwgyluRaM5E
[13:02:10] <CaptHindsight> ^^^
[13:02:23] <malcom2073> Fantastic
[13:02:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc-wood-router-project-log/135232-cnc-software-forum-posts-30.html
[13:02:43] <CaptHindsight> completely silly and fun
[13:02:46] <malcom2073> You'd think they'd design it so there wasn't space between the balls to chatter
[13:05:05] <CaptHindsight> http://brunelleschi.imss.fi.it/genscheda.asp?appl=LIR&xsl=modello&lingua=ENG&chiave=100874
[13:05:24] <CaptHindsight> Leonardos pressure resistant thrust bearing
[13:06:00] <CaptHindsight> not bad for 500 years ago
[13:06:27] <malcom2073> Indeed
[13:07:52] <CaptHindsight> http://brunelleschi.imss.fi.it/ingrin/emulti.asp?codice=101771 Leonardo points out that helical teeth last longer than ordinary ones because of their larger contact surface.
[13:08:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.miksovsky.com/chris/design/woodbearing/woodbearing.htm
[13:21:49] * Polymorphism rips out clump after clump of hair
[13:22:58] <malcom2073> I think we're coming up on the "could've bought three" point now aren't we? :P
[13:26:13] <Polymorphism> ironically I may get the most expensive I've been considering too
[13:26:17] <Polymorphism> making the delay more painful
[13:26:42] <Polymorphism> | | this close to just saying "fuck it" and ordering the 30x36 raptor machine
[13:26:53] <Polymorphism> I think I would come to regret 12" x travel on the mini raptor
[13:27:05] <Polymorphism> but I dont think I would come to regret paying extra
[13:27:47] <Polymorphism> I like hte idea of putting it together myself actually
[13:27:49] <Polymorphism> and wiring it up
[13:27:51] <Polymorphism> more rewarding
[13:27:56] <Polymorphism> and I know the wiring will be done right
[13:28:13] <Polymorphism> trying to determine just what I should be using for wires and sleeves etc actually
[13:28:17] <Polymorphism> and what that will end up costing me
[13:28:24] <Polymorphism> planning for ~$100
[13:28:54] <jdh> The $100 is just the first order of stuff that turns out to be not quite what you need.
[13:47:28] <CaptHindsight> this channel is turning into Groundhog Day http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107048/
[14:00:46] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bkyPr6oKN0
[14:00:49] <Polymorphism> how does this look?
[14:00:51] <Polymorphism> this is a raptor mini
[14:01:03] <Polymorphism> I still dont quite know what to listen and look for
[14:03:16] <malcom2073> Don't hear any chatter, but you can't hear well via video anyway.
[14:03:32] <malcom2073> The raptor was a fairly well built machine iirc from the looks of
[14:03:33] <malcom2073> it
[14:04:29] <Polymorphism> I'm going wiht raprot
[14:04:32] <Polymorphism> raptor
[14:04:36] <malcom2073> I don't believe you!
[14:04:42] <Polymorphism> dont want to mess around with the chinese machines
[14:04:48] <Polymorphism> and I get to put this together myself like a kit
[14:04:51] <Polymorphism> learn how it al works
[14:05:06] <Polymorphism> and everyone is saying 100% good thingds about xzero cnc
[14:05:10] <Polymorphism> cant say the same for omio or ebay 6040
[14:05:17] <Polymorphism> I dont want to risk the money
[14:05:28] <Polymorphism> so now I'm just deciding if 12"x is enough for me
[14:05:44] <Polymorphism> or if I should pay 1500 more for 24"
[14:05:51] <Polymorphism> 24x30x7"
[14:06:26] <Polymorphism> for 3900ish or 12x24"x4" for $2500 or 12x30"4" for $2600
[14:06:29] <Polymorphism> this is my final choice
[14:06:46] <Polymorphism> I've pmed many users of both machines
[14:08:26] <Polymorphism> the longer 12x" model is a no brainer for 100 more, unlessI consider the space
[14:08:30] <Polymorphism> but is 12" enough x
[14:24:10] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: hi
[14:34:00] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, hi
[14:34:12] <pink_vampire> hi.
[14:35:20] <pink_vampire> I'm looking for a mother board mini-itx, with 2 lpts and one pci, or 2 pci and 1 lpt.
[14:35:33] <pink_vampire> you can help me to find one?
[14:36:56] <Polymorphism> I can try
[14:37:03] <Polymorphism> it might be hard to find
[15:06:02] <pcw_home> dont think there are any mini-itx with either
[15:07:06] <pcw_home> possibly some old gaming ones with 2 PCIE
[15:08:56] <pcw_home> 1 PCI and 1 LPT is available in reasonably current MBs
[15:09:43] <pcw_home> (MiniITX)
[15:09:45] <pcw_home> micro ATX its not a problem
[15:19:57] <robin_sz> so, back to the damn display going off ... did anyone come up with any good ideas on how to stop it?
[15:20:14] <XXCoder> robin_sz: on what machine or whatever?
[15:20:41] <robin_sz> on the latest distro, debian, xfce etc
[15:20:56] <robin_sz> the standard Linuccnc install disc
[15:21:13] <XXCoder> checked screensaver setting?
[15:21:22] <robin_sz> its not the screensaver
[15:21:28] <XXCoder> default is no screensaver but its where you can turn off powerroff too
[15:21:33] <robin_sz> its not going black, its going off
[15:21:59] <robin_sz> I think you are talking about a different distro
[15:22:29] <XXCoder> both my pc and linuxcnc pc use xscreensaver
[15:23:12] <XXCoder> ohh new linuxcnc version
[15:23:25] <XXCoder> do I distro update or what?
[15:23:31] <robin_sz> I have in the screensaver setting, power management disabled
[15:24:16] <robin_sz> and in xfce power mananger, I have everyting set to "never"
[15:24:19] <XXCoder> current linuxcnc distro is debian correct?
[15:24:19] <robin_sz> sleep never
[15:24:23] <robin_sz> yes
[15:24:31] <robin_sz> with xfce as the wm
[15:24:43] <robin_sz> and some weird ass mouse behaviour
[15:24:49] <robin_sz> but, forget about the mouse
[15:25:00] <robin_sz> I just wanna stop the display turning off
[15:25:20] <XXCoder> interesting one suggests uninstall screensaver
[15:25:30] <robin_sz> its not even running
[15:25:48] <XXCoder> it always run service unless you kill -9 it
[15:25:54] <robin_sz> nah
[15:26:07] <robin_sz> it may be supposed to be like that
[15:28:06] <robin_sz> when i pull up screen saver settings, it says the screensaver daemon is not running
[15:28:11] <robin_sz> which is fine by me
[15:28:17] <XXCoder> yeah
[15:28:24] <XXCoder> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/disable-turn-off-screen-in-wheezy-4175523362/
[15:28:29] <XXCoder> few possible options
[15:31:19] <robin_sz> dpms is disabled
[15:31:37] <XXCoder> there is few other options
[15:35:41] <robin_sz> we'll see
[15:36:13] <XXCoder> guy says solved but does NOT state what did it :( sucks
[15:36:15] <robin_sz> I cannot begin to imagine why you would want a machine tool to shut its display down every 5 minutes
[15:36:19] <robin_sz> not just balnk
[15:36:34] <robin_sz> but powered down, taking 30 seconds plus to come back up
[15:37:45] <XXCoder> yeah for machine thats not good
[15:37:53] <XXCoder> pn my pc its set to 10 minutes
[15:38:01] <robin_sz> its cost me a $50 cutter already this week
[15:38:23] <XXCoder> no physical e-stop?
[15:38:33] <robin_sz> yes
[15:38:39] <robin_sz> but manual tool change
[15:38:48] <robin_sz> so it calls for a tool
[15:38:58] <robin_sz> I walk over to screen, its dead, obviously
[15:39:05] <robin_sz> tap the space bar to wake it up
[15:39:17] <robin_sz> I guess pointer was over the "ok"
[15:39:22] <robin_sz> off it goes
[15:39:23] <malcom2073> Never tap the space bar or enter key on *any* computer to wake it up :P
[15:39:25] <XXCoder> heh I always use up arrow
[15:39:29] <XXCoder> safest button
[15:39:30] <malcom2073> Arrows are usually fairly safe
[15:39:31] <DaViruz> i always use shift
[15:39:36] <robin_sz> both are bad answers
[15:39:43] <malcom2073> True, but yours is worse :P
[15:39:44] <robin_sz> never put the screen to sleep
[15:39:56] <malcom2073> Meaning hitting space
[15:40:04] <evil_ren> ha, yeah i mouse shake
[15:40:11] <evil_ren> and now i think of you every time i do it
[15:40:16] <robin_sz> mouse shake does not seem to do it
[15:40:26] <evil_ren> takes awhile on my machine
[15:40:27] <XXCoder> odd it does for me
[15:40:33] <evil_ren> few seconds if a cycle is running
[15:40:47] <XXCoder> wow
[15:40:48] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/qMrOH-UyicA
[15:40:54] <robin_sz> maybe it does but maybe I get bored during the 30 to 4 seconds it takes to wake the monitor
[15:41:18] <evil_ren> shrug, get a faster pc
[15:41:50] <robin_sz> I just wish I could find out how it got into this state
[15:42:03] <robin_sz> someone must have customised the distro to do this
[15:42:04] <evil_ren> did you update?
[15:42:07] <evil_ren> i wont update
[15:42:13] <evil_ren> i keep the system offline
[15:42:20] <robin_sz> new install about 2 or 3 months ago
[15:42:24] <robin_sz> its how it ships
[15:42:30] <evil_ren> oh
[15:42:36] <evil_ren> yeah my install is much older
[15:42:41] <robin_sz> and the weird mouse behaviour
[15:42:49] <evil_ren> couple years maybe, not helpful
[15:43:19] <robin_sz> highlighting text does not copy it to the buffer :(
[15:43:30] <robin_sz> middle mouse does not paste :(
[15:44:27] <robin_sz> but, I can live with that
[15:44:42] <robin_sz> but I can't live with the screen dying continually
[15:45:25] <XXCoder> why yuse old distro?
[16:22:07] <Deejay> gn8
[17:56:53] <CaptHindsight> talk about DIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHTTTwaR7R0 Clinical Kidney Transplantation (MOOC)
[17:57:50] <XXCoder> someday transplants will be thing of past
[17:57:59] <XXCoder> there is already 3d printed stuff that works,.
[17:58:29] <XXCoder> using patient own cells so zero rejection chance
[17:59:21] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: until you can selectively have synthetic virus target just the bad cells in an organ and swap DNA you'll still need to swap entire organs
[18:00:34] <XXCoder> 3d printing organs will end that
[18:00:54] <CaptHindsight> end what?
[18:00:56] <XXCoder> one person was recent saved by having skull printed and replaced
[18:01:39] <XXCoder> having to use other people organs
[18:01:48] <Tom_itx> how do you replace the whole thing?
[18:02:02] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: not entire skull
[18:02:04] <CaptHindsight> my reply was/is two steps ahead of you
[18:02:31] <XXCoder> http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/medical-first-3-d-printed-skull-successfully-implanted-woman-n65576
[18:03:12] <CaptHindsight> the real money is in new brains
[18:03:39] <Tom_itx> i know a few that could use those
[18:03:42] <XXCoder> someday that will happen but not for very long while. brain is million times more complex than any other organ
[18:03:53] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: I know a few, including myself. my brain sucks
[18:04:01] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: for some, not everyone :p
[18:04:22] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: cat brain is more complex than any human organ besides brain.
[18:05:49] <CaptHindsight> the problems with cat brains in people are the constant desire to lick yourself, rub your face on corners, and chase small fast moving objects
[18:06:12] <XXCoder> heh
[18:06:14] <CaptHindsight> pooping in sand is actually a step up for many
[18:06:37] <XXCoder> I do wonder what will be result if person just 3d printed a generic brain using human brain cells
[18:06:49] <XXCoder> would it even form a person, even when in human body?
[18:07:06] <XXCoder> or is development critical to building proper stucture?
[18:07:07] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: I think it will be DNA therapy vs brain swap
[18:07:41] <Tom_itx> starting to get into ethical boundaries
[18:07:49] <CaptHindsight> having memories erased, like being asked about the same router 784.329 times
[18:07:50] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: indeed
[18:08:07] <Tom_itx> heh
[18:08:14] <CaptHindsight> unseeing things
[18:08:18] <CaptHindsight> unfeeling things
[18:08:41] <Tom_itx> felt like groundhog day all over
[18:08:52] <CaptHindsight> :)
[18:09:41] <Tom_itx> only not quite as intertaining
[18:09:45] <Tom_itx> en*
[18:10:19] <CaptHindsight> that movie was filmed just minutes from me
[18:10:27] <CaptHindsight> that town still looks the same
[18:11:18] <Tom_itx> they film quite a few in the savannah area, i've seen where forest gump & one of the Sandra Bullock ones were filmed
[18:13:40] <CaptHindsight> https://goo.gl/maps/H9e3DFYQDJC2
[18:13:52] <joem_> my first cut! <3 https://i.imgur.com/dDvSJtV.png
[18:14:19] <malcom2073> Congrats joem_, is the pattern intentional?
[18:14:34] <joem_> the lower half is the roughing pass of my facing tool
[18:14:39] <joem_> the upper half is the finishing pass
[18:14:45] <malcom2073> Nice finish
[18:14:57] <joem_> the hatch marking on the roughing pass shows that my spindle axis is perpendicular to my table plane
[18:15:06] <joem_> which was an issue i had (turns out, my head was rotated slightly)
[18:15:19] <CaptHindsight> the head of the mill
[18:15:21] <joem_> yeah i'm really liking the finish
[18:15:37] <joem_> lol yeah the head of the mill, sorry
[18:15:50] <XXCoder> joem_: very nice finish
[18:16:48] <joem_> thx :) i'm happy with it
[18:17:08] <joem_> especially for a face mill i found on ebay from china
[18:17:17] <malcom2073> Even better heh
[18:17:27] <malcom2073> I need to get myself a face mill, I don't have one yet
[18:17:44] <zeeshan|2> y
[18:18:04] * Tom_itx slaps zeeshan|2 around a bit with a large trout
[18:18:16] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:18:28] <joem_> that's my fetish.
[18:19:01] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 what you workin on this weekend?
[18:19:02] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s
[18:19:11] <zeeshan|2> engine
[18:19:12] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:19:17] <zeeshan|2> you?
[18:19:20] <Tom_itx> which one?
[18:19:23] <zeeshan|2> subaru
[18:19:29] <zeeshan|2> its almost assembled
[18:19:29] <joem_> hah excellent
[18:19:30] <Tom_itx> working on my catia problems for class a bit
[18:19:32] <zeeshan|2> a bit more to go
[18:19:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/19kBwwA.jpg
[18:20:00] <zeeshan|2> short block assembled
[18:20:06] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/GGqL9oy.jpg
[18:20:09] <zeeshan|2> head assembled :P
[18:20:12] <malcom2073> So few pistons
[18:20:24] <zeeshan|2> looking at one side
[18:20:24] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:20:29] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/8aMqSZ3.jpg
[18:20:34] <Tom_itx> looks nothing like a VW
[18:20:35] <CaptHindsight> what washing machine is that out of? :)
[18:20:41] <malcom2073> Still so few
[18:20:42] <zeeshan|2> thats how i torqued my cam gears
[18:20:42] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:20:56] <zeeshan|2> i cant get wait to get rid of this pos engine and car
[18:21:22] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: rebuilding the engine?
[18:21:31] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:21:35] <Tom_itx> he has a secret love for subarus
[18:21:42] <CaptHindsight> worn out or broken?
[18:21:50] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: cmon man
[18:21:53] <zeeshan|2> you know i dont bs :P
[18:21:56] <Tom_itx> it blew up when he was on vacation
[18:22:06] <zeeshan|2> im getting rid of it for a 2015 4runner
[18:22:07] <CaptHindsight> I missed the drama
[18:22:07] <zeeshan|2> likely
[18:22:33] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: machine a engine from raw materials I dare you
[18:22:37] <CaptHindsight> it's very cute
[18:22:40] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: summary: 30k miles on engine,
[18:22:44] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I want to
[18:22:45] <zeeshan|2> completely bone stock
[18:22:45] <malcom2073> A tiny one
[18:22:51] <zeeshan|2> blew up on the highway while i was cruising
[18:22:58] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/NySkI
[18:23:01] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yah saw some on youtube
[18:23:01] <malcom2073> "cruising"
[18:23:02] <XXCoder> amazing
[18:23:08] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: not fun, what let go?
[18:23:23] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I'ma start with air/steam powered, and eventually move up to internal combusion
[18:23:36] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: they suffer from cracked ringlands/spinning bearings
[18:23:39] <zeeshan|2> either one happened
[18:23:48] <DaViruz> zeeshan|2: what the heck
[18:23:52] <malcom2073> "cruising"
[18:23:56] <CaptHindsight> fing subarubas
[18:24:02] <DaViruz> oh.
[18:24:10] <zeeshan|2> i wish i read the forums before buying this pos
[18:24:22] <zeeshan|2> i go on toyota forums people are whining about burning oil at 250,000 km
[18:24:26] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: were you bale to save the crank and block?
[18:24:32] <CaptHindsight> bale/able
[18:24:39] <zeeshan|2> i go on the subaru forums, i see people whining about blowing their engine up at 12,000 km
[18:24:40] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:24:46] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: no
[18:24:48] <XXCoder> ow
[18:24:49] <zeeshan|2> completely trashed
[18:24:51] <DaViruz> i like the ring just sitting here in the bore
[18:24:58] <zeeshan|2> DaViruz: LOL
[18:24:58] <XXCoder> heh my vans at very nearly 200,000 miles
[18:25:04] <zeeshan|2> i laughed so hard when i took off the head
[18:25:05] <XXCoder> bunch strange issues but works fine
[18:25:13] <zeeshan|2> i have no idea how that ring is just sitting there
[18:25:15] <zeeshan|2> *was
[18:25:17] <DaViruz> the piston is a mess :)
[18:25:31] <DaViruz> actually i've never seen anything quite like it
[18:26:00] <zeeshan|2> i put in forged pistons
[18:26:05] <zeeshan|2> but now ive decided im getting rid of the car
[18:26:14] <zeeshan|2> wish i just put the short block in and didnt waste money on forged pistons
[18:26:25] <CaptHindsight> oh wow, what pics
[18:26:45] <Tom_itx> i've seen rods come out the side of the block etc but not usually piston failure unless a valve broke off like VW's used to do
[18:26:48] <zeeshan|2> if you value your time and money
[18:26:51] <zeeshan|2> plz don't buy subaru
[18:27:06] <zeeshan|2> they've heavily marketed the car
[18:27:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, don't tell that to the guy you sell it to
[18:27:15] <zeeshan|2> reality is the boxer is a piece of shit
[18:27:20] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: im trading it in
[18:27:22] <DaViruz> zeeshan|2: i seem to remember you were a proponent of aero-converting subaru engines? ;)
[18:27:43] <Tom_itx> i think he saw the light
[18:27:43] <CaptHindsight> yah learn from yer mistakes
[18:27:48] <minibnz> subaru's are just oversized volkwagen engines.. not designed for the power..
[18:28:01] <zeeshan|2> DaViruz: i was never a proponent of subaru anything
[18:28:08] <zeeshan|2> you might be confusing the subaru engine wit hthe rx7..
[18:28:11] <zeeshan|2> rotary vs v8
[18:28:24] <zeeshan|2> the gm ls1 is the best engine in my opinion
[18:28:24] <Tom_itx> they still loose out on the top end though
[18:28:27] <zeeshan|2> easy to work on
[18:28:28] <zeeshan|2> reliable
[18:28:30] <DaViruz> nah some discussions with ssi a year back or so
[18:28:35] <zeeshan|2> just eats a shit load of gas :)
[18:28:59] <zeeshan|2> DaViruz: it was prolly awd vs fwd vs rwd
[18:29:14] <zeeshan|2> that's the only thing going for the car -- symmetrical awd
[18:29:21] <DaViruz> nah it was with regards to airplane engines, but i might be misremembering
[18:30:29] <zeeshan|2> on a bright note
[18:30:36] <zeeshan|2> snap-on techwrench is worth the money!
[18:30:43] <DaViruz> oh it wasn't you, it was furrywolf
[18:31:56] <malcom2073> Where'd he go anyway?
[18:32:09] <zeeshan|2> rip
[18:32:15] <DaViruz> really?
[18:32:17] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:32:29] <malcom2073> That sucks
[18:32:41] <zeeshan|2> you didnt hear?
[18:32:46] <malcom2073> Erm, he's still online
[18:32:47] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: died?
[18:32:51] <XXCoder> nope
[18:32:52] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:32:54] <zeeshan|2> sorry
[18:33:14] <zeeshan|2> he hangs out in #cars now
[18:33:23] <malcom2073> Bastard heh
[18:33:24] <zeeshan|2> i tried to get him to come back but he thinks this room hates him
[18:33:24] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:33:43] <XXCoder> actually I think its more specific
[18:33:45] <XXCoder> you that is
[18:34:26] <zeeshan|2> i chat with him
[18:34:26] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:36:05] <XXCoder> surpising as it was you who guy got angry with and left
[18:50:26] <zeeshan|2> :)
[18:50:32] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: do you have your notes for catia?
[19:09:41] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: so whats your plan with your car
[19:10:21] <zeeshan|2> |!
[19:10:22] <zeeshan|2> ?!
[19:10:31] <zeeshan|2> put it back together
[19:10:32] <zeeshan|2> break it in
[19:10:35] <zeeshan|2> drive to dealership
[19:10:36] <zeeshan|2> trade in
[19:10:57] <zeeshan|2> the subie engines have an inherent design flaw in the oiling system
[19:11:02] <zeeshan|2> it's a ticking time bomb.
[19:11:12] <XXCoder> just be sure not to pay more for repair than trade in
[19:11:23] <zeeshan|2> i wont
[19:11:29] <zeeshan|2> i should get 20k for trade in
[19:11:36] <zeeshan|2> ive put about 4500 in parts
[19:11:48] <zeeshan|2> a blown engine car would be worth 4-5k by itself..
[19:11:53] <XXCoder> not bad
[19:11:53] <zeeshan|2> thats why i fixed it
[19:12:17] <zeeshan|2> i'll know if i fixed it if it doesnt blow up between the time i break it in and trade in
[19:12:17] <zeeshan|2> :P
[19:12:30] <zeeshan|2> someone is going to get a hell of a deal on this car..
[19:13:43] <XXCoder> in both definitions. cheap anddesign flaw fun
[19:13:43] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: buy it? :D
[19:13:50] <zeeshan|2> haha yea man
[19:13:56] <XXCoder> sure, you can have my machine as payment for it
[19:13:58] <zeeshan|2> the thing is that design flaw seems to effect some cars
[19:14:01] <gregcnc> trade it in for one of these? https://youtu.be/OazFiIhwAEs?t=1m20s
[19:14:13] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: haha
[19:14:14] <zeeshan|2> thats crazy!
[19:14:32] <XXCoder> nah its better than helicopers
[19:14:55] <XXCoder> helicoper has one flaw that if tail fins break...
[19:16:05] <zeeshan|2> it just goes in circles
[19:16:07] <zeeshan|2> =D
[19:16:12] <XXCoder> its a test flight
[19:16:14] <XXCoder> first one
[19:16:23] <zeeshan|2> no i mean if the tail rotor breaks
[19:16:45] <XXCoder> no, it increases on spinning till body rotates on equal but opposute force
[19:16:48] <XXCoder> then it crashes
[19:16:57] <XXCoder> because it cant create enough lift
[19:17:12] <zeeshan|2> :P
[19:17:20] <zeeshan|2> not all helicopters have tail rotors
[19:17:28] <zeeshan|2> theres plenty where the main rotors spin in opposite directions
[19:17:30] <zeeshan|2> for stability
[19:17:32] <XXCoder> yeah there is designs that do that
[19:17:53] <XXCoder> though that new design means if you lose one or two props its still fine
[19:18:04] <XXCoder> though I would land for safety reasons/
[19:18:46] <yasnak> I had a dodge ram with the 4.7, 2007. Looked sweet at first, by third oil change i brought it to dealership to trade in.
[19:19:00] <yasnak> Diesel ever since ;/
[19:19:10] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/sDC8Cs5gmqc?t=1m22s
[19:19:13] <XXCoder> heh I am still waiting for my elio
[19:19:30] <XXCoder> though I do have backup plan of getting cheap new car if my van decides to not work.
[19:20:29] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Any word on the ellos? when are they due?
[19:20:51] <XXCoder> near end of 2016. they are making limited runs for fleets order though
[19:21:37] <yasnak> gregcnc, cool design. dual-purpose...flip over and you've got a lawnmower ;P
[19:22:37] <XXCoder> the same craft can fly upside down
[19:22:42] <XXCoder> just reverse props
[19:22:58] <zeeshan|2> what blows my mind is subaru is #5 on the most reliable car brand
[19:23:05] <zeeshan|2> but if you look at any subaru forum
[19:23:10] <zeeshan|2> they are plagued with blown motors?
[19:23:16] <zeeshan|2> WTF is going on
[19:23:37] <yasnak> subaru's are nice. biggest problem is the idiots who don't take care of their cars in general ;/
[19:23:51] <zeeshan|2> well you can call me an idiot all you want
[19:23:56] <malcom2073> Or the guy before you
[19:23:58] <yasnak> oh, not saying you haha
[19:24:00] <zeeshan|2> i know i take better care of my car than 99% ppl out there
[19:24:12] <yasnak> shit happens
[19:24:14] <zeeshan|2> and i don't think all these people are idiots:
[19:24:30] <zeeshan|2> http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1695936
[19:24:36] <yasnak> i know the 4.7 had pathetic design issues. sludge issues
[19:24:55] <yasnak> rockers would pop off, that was the sign you best be trading that thing in
[19:24:57] <zeeshan|2> thats just 2009..
[19:25:10] <yasnak> next would be the coolant loss, head gasket goes, boom. all before 100k
[19:25:28] <zeeshan|2> subaru recently lost a law suit ..
[19:25:33] <yasnak> its like the ford 6.0L diesel
[19:25:35] <zeeshan|2> they admitted their brand new engines burn oil from factory
[19:25:48] <zeeshan|2> http://jalopnik.com/subaru-settles-lawsuit-over-oil-burning-cars-1752805682
[19:25:49] <XXCoder> geez
[19:25:50] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Looks like a lot ofpeople joined just to post about engine failure, sounds pretty typical of *any* system: People complain about bad, but stay silent about good?
[19:26:04] <yasnak> yeah, its like yelp
[19:26:05] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: tell me why this doesnt happen on toyota forums?
[19:26:07] <zeeshan|2> or toyota4runner?
[19:26:12] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yeah negative bias is everywhere online
[19:26:14] <zeeshan|2> i searched religiously after this experience
[19:26:17] <yasnak> maybe its all in japanese? haha
[19:26:22] <yasnak> I'm only half kidding
[19:26:24] <XXCoder> complants is MUCH more visiable than prises
[19:26:25] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Tell you why a particular habit of recoding a failure doesn't happen on X forum as opposed to Y?
[19:26:26] <zeeshan|2> theres not a whine about engine failure
[19:26:29] <malcom2073> Really? heh
[19:26:35] <zeeshan|2> yes.
[19:26:42] <zeeshan|2> youre theory is flawed
[19:26:48] <zeeshan|2> your :P
[19:26:50] <XXCoder> your grammar is flawed
[19:26:54] <malcom2073> And your logic is flawed.
[19:26:55] <yasnak> rekt
[19:27:08] <malcom2073> Shall I lookup whatisyourfallacy.com?
[19:27:14] <malcom2073> or whatever that website is? :P
[19:27:19] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: you're clearly not a car guyu
[19:27:26] <zeeshan|2> so why argue with me?
[19:27:37] <malcom2073> Heh, yeah ok. I've built more engines than you've driven
[19:27:43] <zeeshan|2> i'm not talking about random forums.
[19:27:47] <zeeshan|2> i'm talking about forums with a huge base
[19:27:53] <zeeshan|2> yea ok buddy.
[19:28:15] <malcom2073> Still anecdotal when you look at total sales numbers
[19:28:17] <zeeshan|2> keep throwing steppers on machines :)
[19:28:31] <yasnak> zeeshan, whats up with yours? sorry. i don't have a very long attention span
[19:28:31] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
[19:28:32] <zeeshan|2> do you really want a specific example
[19:28:35] <malcom2073> You've commited two, pick them out :)
[19:29:20] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: what do you drive?
[19:29:40] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: There is no right answer to that question, you're looking for ammuniton now.
[19:29:50] <zeeshan|2> 2011 44,316[25] 2012 48,755[25] 2013 51,625[26] 2014 76,906[27] 2015 97,034[28]
[19:29:55] <zeeshan|2> ^ toyota 4runner sales figures
[19:30:06] <zeeshan|2> 1995 75,962[21] 1996 99,597[21] 1997 128,496[21] 1998 118,484[21] 1999 124,221[21] 2000 111,797[22] 2001 90,250[21] 2002 77,026[23] 2003 109,308[21] 2004 114,212[21] 2005 103,830[21] 2006 103,086[21] 2007 87,718[21] 2008 47,878[21] 2009 19,675[24] 2010 46,531[24] 2011 44,316[25] 2012 48,755[25] 2013 51,625[26] 2014 76,906[27] 2015 97,0
[19:30:13] <zeeshan|2> http://www.toyota-4runner.org/
[19:30:20] <zeeshan|2> find me a blown motor under 35000 km
[19:30:21] <XXCoder> more popular is not always better
[19:31:05] <yasnak> blown motor how? what year?
[19:31:15] <malcom2073> Ok you've commited three now
[19:31:15] <malcom2073> :)
[19:31:49] <zeeshan|2> that forum specifically has 130000 members :P
[19:33:21] <zeeshan|2> subaru wrx/sti: 2010: 44,395 2011: 13,805 2012: 13,624 2013: 17,969 2014: 25,492 2015: 33,734
[19:33:25] <zeeshan|2> much less made
[19:33:27] <zeeshan|2> much more blowups.
[19:33:33] <zeeshan|2> explain the logic now
[19:33:42] <malcom2073> Four now
[19:33:54] <zeeshan|2> clueless :P
[19:34:13] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: lets see some of the engines you've built?!?!
[19:34:19] <malcom2073> Just because there are more apples sold, and more people ring your doorbell trying to sell oranges, doesn't mean that everyone sells oranges instead of apples
[19:34:25] <zeeshan|2> surely you have some pics since you're built so many :)
[19:34:31] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Once again, you're looking for ammunition, not interested in a real discussion
[19:34:45] <Tom_itx> my hands were too greasy to take pics back then
[19:34:50] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:35:05] <yasnak> I remember reading something about how Toyota held some pathetically close tolerances on their motors. Was very interesting and made you wonder if they actually needed the premium Lexus line.
[19:35:05] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: i don't need anymore ammunition
[19:35:05] <Tom_itx> i've done more VW than i can count
[19:35:10] <Tom_itx> bmw
[19:35:12] <Tom_itx> brittish
[19:35:14] <Tom_itx> american
[19:35:15] <zeeshan|2> i know you're the same guy that purposely removed servos to put steppers
[19:35:17] <yasnak> VW...now those are fun motors when they go bad
[19:35:21] <Tom_itx> mini cooper
[19:35:25] <zeeshan|2> =D
[19:35:29] <XXCoder> yasnak: heh I owned one toyata. that car was... fun to drive. :P
[19:35:34] <Tom_itx> jensen healey
[19:35:38] <Tom_itx> triumph
[19:35:46] <Tom_itx> all sorts of US
[19:35:51] <zeeshan|2> toyota as far as i'm concerned is the best manufacturer inthe world
[19:35:54] <XXCoder> yasnak: it was so pathicially weak I had tp speed up before hitting hills. toyata cars tend to weaken with age for some reason
[19:35:54] <Tom_itx> lotus
[19:35:56] <Tom_itx> twincam
[19:36:02] <Tom_itx> toys
[19:36:08] <yasnak> xxcoder, I have a civic for "groceries" and man that's a nice car. but its going in for the second recall tomorrow.
[19:36:10] <Tom_itx> watercooled vw
[19:36:16] <Tom_itx> those had weak rods
[19:36:18] <zeeshan|2> their lean principles that they implemented like decades are ago are "newly" being implemented in north american companies :P
[19:36:28] <zeeshan|2> yasnak: whats the recall?
[19:36:30] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: I doubt I will buy VW cars anytime soon
[19:36:43] <XXCoder> they got caught lying on diesel emissions
[19:36:45] <yasnak> xxcoder, second recall they're honoring. looking at the parts suppliers i'm betting that both ford and gmc have the same issues but not the cash for the recalls haha
[19:36:49] <Tom_itx> jag
[19:36:54] <Tom_itx> i've forgotten alot of em
[19:37:36] <Tom_itx> merc have a special tool for everything
[19:37:38] <Tom_itx> what a pita
[19:38:14] <yasnak> *civic = camry
[19:38:22] <yasnak> my brain is off on saturdays :P
[19:38:39] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: ps i read your orange and apples comment
[19:39:08] <zeeshan|2> if you think that's the same problem as what i described, clearly i'm doing a poor job at communicating
[19:39:09] <zeeshan|2> :P
[19:39:30] <yasnak> I had a ford escort sho with the Yamaha motor. that was an awesome car but after it aged nobody could get me parts haha
[19:39:57] <zeeshan|2> yasnak: whats the recall?!?
[19:40:09] <zeeshan|2> "plastic piece breaks too easily"?
[19:40:11] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Eh I'm only about 1/4 paying attention, was the best I could do at the time :P
[19:40:12] <zeeshan|2> :)
[19:40:30] <yasnak> oh, just the power window switch
[19:40:32] <yasnak> nothing big lol
[19:40:37] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:40:43] <zeeshan|2> theres 2 recalls on my car right now
[19:40:52] <yasnak> we don't have a dealership nearby so its somewhat a planned trip whenever i need to go
[19:40:54] <zeeshan|2> "brake lines may prematurely corrode and fail"
[19:41:15] <yasnak> and do you live in an area with tons of salt?
[19:41:49] <zeeshan|2> ya
[19:41:53] <yasnak> my new dodge is a 2012 w/cummins. wheel wells entirely rusted out with not even 42k on it
[19:42:17] <zeeshan|2> my dads cadillac cts
[19:42:18] <zeeshan|2> 2008
[19:42:22] <zeeshan|2> doesnt have a spot of rust on it
[19:42:24] <hatch789> guys I tried installing the RTAI kernel tonight and once I do that I can't use teamviewer or skype anymore. Is this normal for everyone?
[19:42:25] <yasnak> moved it from up north, used for plowing. job moved me to florida...rusted out so fast
[19:42:27] <zeeshan|2> i really like caddys
[19:42:57] <zeeshan|2> yasnak: the salt water?
[19:43:28] <yasnak> we had some salt spray they used on the ice/snow in wisconsin. it seems when i moved to florida the salty air from the gulf rusted it up so fast
[19:43:42] <hatch789> if I boot to the normal amd64 jellie kernel I'm fine I can use skype and teamviewer ...so I am wondering if most people are using linuxCNC with the sym option instead of RTAI? -Is my question making sense to you?
[19:43:44] <yasnak> i know the wheel wells are from up north combined with down here
[19:46:36] <pcw_home> hatch789: The RTAI kernel is rather old and spartan,
[19:46:38] <pcw_home> if you dont need realtime use the stock kernel
[19:47:47] <zeeshan|2> https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiN_9HT5oLMAhVHr4MKHcFnAC0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motortrend.com%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2F4runner%2F2014%2F&psig=AFQjCNH203Actz-7IcoBbRYcW2uVYkscDw&ust=1460334096907307
[19:47:49] <zeeshan|2> i wanna do this!
[19:47:55] <zeeshan|2> soooooo redneck. i love it
[19:51:48] <listening> sorry
[19:52:16] <listening> I was on another PC sorry about that
[19:52:34] <listening> how do I change my nickname to my normal one/
[19:52:40] <zeeshan|2> type /nick yourname
[19:52:54] <hatch789> there we go
[19:53:30] <hatch789> so PCW when you guys do the LinuxCNC install you just use the Sim option mostly?
[19:53:38] <hatch789> dang I thought I needed to use the RTAI option
[19:56:27] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: hook me up with catia notes :)
[19:56:44] <zeeshan|2> i'd like to be more fluent in french and catia this year :)
[20:02:21] <pcw_home> to control hardware you need a real time kernel
[20:10:54] <pcw_home> though you can use a RTAI or Preempt-RT real time kernel
[20:11:01] <jdh> http://i.imgur.com/ojlSK8r.gif
[20:15:42] <CaptHindsight> that prank only works once on most people
[20:16:05] <XXCoder> jeez
[20:16:12] <XXCoder> gonna lovr gif control though
[20:16:19] <XXCoder> allows me to pause gif anytime
[20:16:28] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: that tap guide showed up a few days ago
[20:16:45] <CaptHindsight> also works as a drill guide
[20:17:31] <CaptHindsight> fishing weight, bug smasher, door stop, glass breaker ......
[20:17:57] <CaptHindsight> and toe sweller
[20:22:12] <alex4nder> pcw_home: with a mesa 7i76e, and a preempt_rt kernel, do you think that +/- 95 uS for a 1ms servo thread is reasonable?
[20:25:11] <pcw_home> might be ok, probably more important to check servo-thread.tmax while running for a day or
[20:25:12] <pcw_home> two to make sure it not close to motion.servo.last-period
[20:25:34] <pcw_home> it is is not close
[20:26:22] <pcw_home> ( especially if this is s slow machine like a Atom )
[20:30:47] <alex4nder> ok thanks
[20:40:47] <pcw_home> in my experience Preempt-RT seems to have the lowest latency on faster machines (with exceptions of course)
[20:44:52] <pcw_home> 95 usec (or even 500 usec ) of jitter is not an issue for the stepgen if the DPLL is enabled
[20:44:53] <pcw_home> since the position sampling will have much less than 1 usec jitter, but you do need to check that
[20:44:54] <pcw_home> that you are not close to running out of time at your selected servo thread rate
[20:54:22] <hatch789> so I'm still trying to figure out what install option I want to employ with LinuxCNC. I don't mean to seem like an idiot about this. But in version 2.5 of LinuxCNC we had no choice, it was the ubuntu build with 1 kernel
[20:55:06] <hatch789> now with choices of kernels I'm just searching for what people recommend or perhaps better stated, I'm looking for what I would want to run to achieve reasonable results with my system.
[20:55:16] <hatch789> I'm just unclear how to determine that with the given information
[20:56:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 what do you want to know?
[20:56:36] <hatch789> further complicating matters is the fact that the RTAI kernel seems to prohibit the use of certain software due to its archaic nature. Whereas the SIM option with a normal kernel seems to allow the 3rd party software (Skype / Teamviewer) to run without issue... is it truly giving me the LinuxCNC performance (accuracy) I need?
[20:56:52] <hatch789> how do you guys determine the answer to this?
[20:57:19] <djdelorie> you need a realtime kernel of some sort to run real hardware
[20:58:13] <hatch789> does that mean you only use the sim option (with a normal kernel) for testing ...and then you reboot into RTAI Kernel for real work?
[20:58:49] <hatch789> I could live with that answer but it seems like you have to keep uninstalling LinuxCNC each time you want to switch between options
[20:59:12] <hatch789> uninstall it for RTAI and reinstall it for SIM then reverse that to go the other way? -Am I missing something?
[20:59:13] <djdelorie> I use the sim option on my desktop system, with cad/cam and other programs, to see if the path looks right
[20:59:31] <djdelorie> but I have a dedicated cheap PC with the realtime kernel and a hardware-specific config to run the machine
[21:00:28] <hatch789> ok so if you have issues on that cheap PC ...you can't really bring someone in to help with Teamviewer (for instance) because it simply won't run with the RTAI kernel. That's what I was running into this evening.
[21:00:46] <hatch789> I was trying to get some help and couldn't fire up teamviewer with my RTAI kernel
[21:01:02] <djdelorie> you're missing the "two PCs" part. Bring up teamviewer on the other pc
[21:01:24] <hatch789> but if you do that you can't show the issue that the other PC is having really
[21:01:27] <hatch789> you can only describe it
[21:01:45] <minibnz> hmm i think i will need to add a gib lock to my Z axis to be able to use my fly cutter.. it has a habbit of pulling thehead down into the job. its either that or a larger stepper that can hold the forces better..
[21:02:00] <djdelorie> heh. webcams - just aim them at the other machine
[21:02:23] <djdelorie> hopefully there's a "use this other realtime kernel" solution for you, but that's what I do
[21:03:50] <minibnz> vnc in from the teamviewer pc to the linuxcnc session...
[21:04:10] <minibnz> im vnc'd in to my mill from my mac laptop now :)
[21:07:15] <pcw_home> depending on you hardware required latency you can get a up-to-date Preempt-RT kernel (they are at 4.4.6)
[21:07:26] <pcw_home> s/you/your/
[21:07:53] <djdelorie> which linuxcnc version do you need to run preempt-rt ?
[21:08:30] <pcw_home> uspace version (only for 2.7 and > I think)
[21:08:45] * djdelorie thinks its time to upgrade...
[21:09:54] <pcw_home> with the right PC, Preempt-RT has very good latency:
[21:09:55] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com/h97-g3258-preemt-rt.png
[21:10:52] <hatch789> so I am using debian 8 Jessie version and then after base install... there's a package I can install on top to give me a RT kernel option
[21:11:27] <hatch789> lcncinstall.iso
[21:12:11] <hatch789> but when I'm looking at the documentation it states that Jessie is supposed to be simulation only
[21:21:13] <_methods> minibnz: do you have a counterweight on your z axis?
[21:21:24] <_methods> you have an x2 right?
[21:45:40] <pcw_home> I just built the RT kernel and linuxcnc from source
[21:45:42] <pcw_home> This will probably work with Jessie but I have not tried
[21:45:43] <pcw_home> (running LinuxCNC on wheezy, Ubuntu 14.04 and Mint all with Preempt-RT kernels )
[21:57:35] <CaptHindsight> hatch789: grub allows you to choose which kernel you wish to run
[21:58:20] <CaptHindsight> so you can have a non-rt kernel, rt kernel and rtai kernal all on the menu and you can choose which one you wish to boot from
[22:04:49] <minibnz> _methods yes i have a X2... no counter weight just a air spring that looked about right for the job in the wreckers yard...
[22:20:56] <minibnz> and there is also 1.83mm of backlash in Z axis..
[22:22:26] <minibnz> i have tried packing out the rack to the pinion doesn't get any better.. thinking about ballscrew for that.. the X & Y axis are so nice now..
[22:29:31] <minibnz> the belt drive makes it really quiet :) very happy with the result and the time it took to make.
[23:15:42] <unfyhome> sooooo i get breakout board and drivers mounted on a board and all wired up. start computer. stuck at 'welcome to grub'. sigh.... silly computers.
[23:16:01] <unfyhome> anyway - what's diff between 2.7 and 2.6 for linuxcnc ? figured i'd download an iso and re-install
[23:16:56] <R2E4> Evening y'All
[23:17:01] <unfyhome> \o
[23:17:42] <R2E4> With a 7i77, you gots to run a pre-empt kernel?
[23:17:55] <R2E4> 7i77E i mean