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[00:07:40] <pink_vampire> my BF work on the machine!! I'm so excited!!
[00:08:27] <pink_vampire> I'm teaching him how to square the stock material
[00:20:04] <CaptHindsight> bobo_: the taxes come out of whats left of the middle class and the lower class
[00:20:54] <CaptHindsight> see you give the big businesses tax breaks and then they create jobs an then the people who get those jobs get taxed
[00:21:22] <CaptHindsight> sorry, LOL
[00:23:47] <bobo_> Capt no need to be sorry . I am older than you . I am the one sorry for the mess we are in
[00:24:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.forwardprogressives.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/trickle-down-reagan-e1421715294967.jpg
[00:25:54] <CaptHindsight> it's a predictable cycle, we had a greatest generation followed bu one that gave it all away
[00:26:46] <CaptHindsight> and we are 20-30 years away from a correction
[00:37:17] <bobo_> Capt in 20 -?? years , I am not thinking it could be called a correction. my thinking is more of a different era ? and my bet it's caused by a virus
[00:41:06] <CaptHindsight> different era, correction, just depends on how you look at it
[00:42:53] <CaptHindsight> hopefully the current troublemakers will die off before DNA therapy prolongs the average lifespan by 30+ years
[00:53:51] <bobo_> my thought's are if "the current troublemakers" were gone say tomorrow , would that give enough time before their successors would be able to muck stuff up
[00:55:50] <CaptHindsight> the danger with the current crop is have they messed up the climate enough to where it's not fixable and overpopulation will just naturally correct itself
[00:56:08] <CaptHindsight> not happy thoughts
[00:57:01] <CaptHindsight> be we probably won't be around to see the effects
[00:57:26] <CaptHindsight> dramatic effects
[01:00:36] <CaptHindsight> but buying stock in water is a safe bet just like short selling housing stock/derivatives in 07-08
[01:01:35] <t12> curses to you 8051
[01:16:02] <bobo_> I am not smart enought to be involved with derivatives nor willing to trust those who claim to be. stock in water companies looked like having a lot of Too's. too low a yield for the risk too likely to be taken back or over by goverment plus some other 2s
[01:55:38] <Deejay> moin
[01:57:49] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[01:58:02] <Deejay> hi pink_vampire, XXCoder :)
[01:58:55] <pink_vampire> my BF work today on the machine.
[02:00:07] <pink_vampire> I teach him how to square the stock material
[02:00:11] <pink_vampire> Deejay: ^
[02:00:14] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[02:00:48] <Deejay> yeah
[02:01:36] <pink_vampire> also we talk about solidworks and he design his first part
[02:02:04] <pink_vampire> then we make the tool paths for it
[02:02:36] <pink_vampire> hopefully tomorrow we are going to run the gcode
[02:02:54] <pink_vampire> I'm soo excited
[02:03:04] <pink_vampire> what do you think?
[02:03:58] <pink_vampire> Deejay: ?
[02:40:34] <toastydeath> cool stuff, what's he making
[02:40:59] <toastydeath> i'm still a traditionalist in terms of learning machining but going straight to CAM definitely get more people involved
[02:43:21] <pink_vampire> he make a plate with some text.
[02:45:29] <toastydeath> nice
[02:49:24] <pink_vampire> yeah, I think it is soo cool that he want to use the cnc
[02:53:30] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5003-3822
[02:53:49] <pink_vampire> love..
[02:54:51] <toastydeath> hahah
[02:59:13] * archivist hides his bits of Renishaw
[03:00:03] <archivist> it is amusing the ebay prices for some stylii, direct they can be cheaper
[03:17:00] <evil_ren> fuckin laaaaaaame
[03:17:14] <evil_ren> made a ball mill slot using swept solid cut in solidworks
[03:17:34] <evil_ren> the igs export doesnt remove the solid use to cut so there is like, random sphere in the model
[03:17:53] <evil_ren> the step file, in fusion i go to select the pocket to do a slot operation
[03:18:55] <evil_ren> the slot has a radiused turn on both ends, it picks up one end of the pocket fine, the other end, it like doesnt want to see one of the radius edges
[03:19:18] <evil_ren> like, its the same fucking feature how does it not work on both sides
[03:19:37] <evil_ren> when i go in to edit the geometry by segments, it just wont click the segment
[03:27:58] <evil_ren> and now solidworks crashed
[03:29:24] <pink_vampire> I need help with cutting some part..
[03:29:32] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/zOUfWOw.png
[03:31:06] <pink_vampire> the hex on the wide side is 8.2mm, on the narrow side is 7.10mm
[03:31:22] <pink_vampire> top to bottom 8.5mm
[03:31:29] <pink_vampire> material brass
[03:32:01] <pink_vampire> the bottom hole in the middle need to be taped
[03:37:08] <pink_vampire> archivist: ?
[03:37:11] <pink_vampire> someone?
[03:38:21] <pink_vampire> I don't even have a V block :(
[03:38:28] <pink_vampire> poor vampire :(
[03:52:51] <pink_vampire> someone can help me?
[03:57:59] <pink_vampire> aluminum can work as a material for V block?
[04:10:15] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[04:10:36] <SpeedEvil> Wood can.
[04:11:02] <pink_vampire> I have here a rod of unknown metal.
[04:11:04] <SpeedEvil> Aluminium may mar more than cast iron, but it's fine structurally
[04:11:23] <pink_vampire> it's look like steel.
[04:11:54] <SpeedEvil> Weigh it, compute density. Will magnet stick.
[04:11:58] <SpeedEvil> What do sparks look like
[04:12:01] <pink_vampire> it's much brighter then the hot rolled steel
[04:12:50] <pink_vampire> yes, magnet stick with out any problem
[04:13:06] <pink_vampire> let me do the spark test
[04:14:48] <pink_vampire> orange
[04:16:17] <pink_vampire> SpeedEvil: ??
[04:16:40] <SpeedEvil> Orange and branching/not branching
[04:17:09] <SpeedEvil> that tells you about carbon content and other properties
[04:19:31] <pink_vampire> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Spark_testing_2.png/600px-Spark_testing_2.png
[04:19:38] <pink_vampire> like e
[04:19:43] <pink_vampire> or c
[04:20:41] <pink_vampire> it is very hard to machine it.
[04:20:50] <pink_vampire> i think it's tool steel.
[04:23:13] <pink_vampire> can I cut it with hss?
[04:46:38] <XXCoder> it will probably eat hss tools
[04:46:46] <XXCoder> carbide is best for such hard metal
[05:03:33] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t34.0-12/12969387_10154085669673648_1225673170_n.jpg?oh=09868e590220a524f8fc398b4d866c37&oe=5708E213 yey new lathe! =)
[05:03:59] <XXCoder> facebook link dont always work but it did this time
[05:04:08] <XXCoder> wow. wood only or metal too?
[05:05:11] <MrSunshine> its a metal lathe
[05:05:18] <XXCoder> cool
[05:05:22] <MrSunshine> and it had feed on both length and cross feed =)
[05:05:23] <XXCoder> how olds it?
[05:05:28] <MrSunshine> XXCoder: dont know realy ..
[05:05:45] <MrSunshine> gave like scrap price for it ...
[05:05:50] <MrSunshine> including alot of threading tools and stuff =)
[05:05:59] <XXCoder> nice!
[05:06:30] <XXCoder> I bet its old indeed
[05:06:37] <XXCoder> but ya know if it works it works.
[05:06:55] <MrSunshine> its newer than the one i got =)
[05:07:11] <MrSunshine> gonna check if there is a gearbox available for it also somewhere =)
[05:07:42] <XXCoder> cool
[05:07:49] <XXCoder> plan to cnc-ize it or?
[05:08:41] <MrSunshine> heh
[05:08:55] <MrSunshine> its from like 1915-1940 they made that kind of lathe =)
[05:09:42] <XXCoder> it is cnc?
[05:11:24] <XXCoder> I got a silly cnc idea that someone already made it likely heh
[05:11:33] <XXCoder> cnc escher skecher heh
[05:11:57] <MrSunshine> XXCoder: no cnc on that one =)
[05:12:02] <XXCoder> lol ok
[05:12:19] <MrSunshine> might put an electric feed on it if i cant get hold of a gearbox =)
[05:15:43] <XXCoder> cool
[05:16:48] <MrSunshine> atleast for the threading stuff .. its kinda a pita to change those gears =) but not so often i thread something singlepointed
[05:21:19] <archivist_herron> 1910's-1930s
[05:21:49] <DaViruz> a friend of mines lathe turns 100 in two years
[05:21:53] <DaViruz> a party has been promised
[05:24:27] <archivist_herron> I think my southbend came over during the ww2
[05:24:45] <XXCoder> my machine come over in last year ;)
[05:25:55] <XXCoder> man
[05:26:08] <XXCoder> why do casting people always make sure sand is very smooth
[05:26:16] <XXCoder> isnt it not matter since casting part is inside?
[05:26:49] <XXCoder> I mean at bottom and top of casting split box
[05:28:06] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQgvPHst03E
[05:30:33] <MrSunshine> i think its called pride .. the lower part tho needs to sit flat when raming the upper half
[05:30:43] <MrSunshine> but the top half isnt as important more than not to have lose particles
[05:32:45] <XXCoder> interesting. ok
[05:34:35] <XXCoder> I love the fact that he uses reclaimed wood
[05:34:54] <XXCoder> one cast box has "water jackets" on it lol
[05:39:53] <archivist_herron> you can selectively cool parts of a casting to change various properties
[06:04:26] <miek__> have any changes by tormach to linuxcnc been released? i assume their GUI doesn't fall under GPL rules, but anything else besides the new motion stuff in 2.7?
[06:06:54] <miek__> trajectory planner was the word i was looking for
[06:17:39] <_methods> i think you can get the cd from them for path pilot
[06:17:41] <_methods> but not sure
[07:01:54] <pink_vampire> long nails + sharp corners = hate it
[07:09:15] <pink_vampire> finally I have nice and square stock
[07:09:41] <pink_vampire> this is soo hard metal
[07:17:52] <pink_vampire> now i see a label on the rod and it say O2
[07:18:20] <pink_vampire> it can help to identify the steel?
[07:24:51] <evil_ren> swept solid cut is fuckin broken fuckin wasting my time
[07:25:35] <pink_vampire> what version?
[07:25:47] <pink_vampire> what is O2?
[07:26:03] <jthornton> oil harding tool steel
[07:26:04] <archivist> ask the supplier
[07:26:30] <pink_vampire> it's a sticker on the rod
[07:27:10] <pink_vampire> it's come from a yard sale.
[07:27:12] <evil_ren> 2016
[07:27:40] <pink_vampire> good to know.. I'm with 2014, and happy..
[07:35:21] <evil_ren> i would guess if the feature exists in 2014 its broken the same way
[07:36:43] <evil_ren> fuck this is beyond retarded, its a groove cut with a ball mill i could have just coded the gcode for it 100 times instead of trying to get sw and the cam to agree
[07:39:24] <pink_vampire> do you have a pic of that
[07:39:36] <pink_vampire> I can try to make it here
[07:39:46] <evil_ren> please dont help thanks
[07:47:15] <_methods> hahah
[07:47:23] <_methods> what's going on with the sweep?
[07:47:35] <_methods> is it the hsm not following the geometry right?
[07:47:47] <_methods> or just just the sweep failing?
[07:49:03] <archivist> or pebkac
[07:49:10] <_methods> hehe
[07:49:40] <_methods> heh andypugh made it on hackaday
[07:49:47] <_methods> http://hackaday.com/2016/04/07/1921-ner-a-car-motorcycle-reborn-with-epic-parts-remanufacture/
[07:50:22] <archivist> I read it a few minutes ago already :)
[07:50:42] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/EQMm89E.png
[07:51:13] <_methods> jesus that is nasty
[07:52:40] <archivist> throw that camera away, its white balance makes you look very ill
[07:53:11] <pink_vampire> I want to make a V block from that tiny block of mystery steel.
[07:54:31] <pink_vampire> archivist: lol.. I have blue blood.
[07:55:02] <pink_vampire> how I can make the V in the block?
[07:55:31] <pink_vampire> regular endmill will work?
[07:55:56] <pink_vampire> how can I make it symmetric?
[07:56:02] <pink_vampire> any trick?
[07:56:49] <evil_ren> archivist: pebcak seems unlikely since another feature is made the same way, doesnt work
[07:57:11] <_methods> is it a complicated path or something?
[07:57:13] <evil_ren> also it shouldnt be crashing
[07:57:35] <_methods> not a self intersecting sweep?
[07:57:39] <evil_ren> no its a sphere solid, and the path is like, 5 segments
[07:57:40] <_methods> and it's crashing
[07:57:46] <_methods> hmm
[07:57:54] <evil_ren> little line, radius, long line, same radius, same little line
[07:57:59] <pink_vampire> pic?
[07:58:14] <_methods> normally that happens with a self intersecting sweep
[07:58:17] <pink_vampire> screenshot?
[07:58:22] <_methods> you might have to use a loft for that
[07:58:55] <_methods> which is a pita
[07:58:58] <evil_ren> i could do it with multiple swept profile cuts
[07:59:03] <_methods> or that
[07:59:12] <_methods> which is also a pita lol
[07:59:13] <evil_ren> like, cut the ends, then cut the paths
[07:59:20] <evil_ren> so like, 3 features for every cut
[07:59:23] <pink_vampire> or to do it with several cuts.
[07:59:50] <evil_ren> right its not like what i want to is impossible, its just they made this tool to do exactly this, and its fucking up
[08:00:08] <_methods> yeah i've seen the sweeps and lofts do some funky things
[08:00:10] <evil_ren> and if it just didnt work because the geometry is too tight, fine
[08:00:12] <_methods> sheetmetal too
[08:00:18] <_methods> with stuff across bendlines
[08:00:18] <evil_ren> but it works perfectly on one side
[08:00:24] <_methods> or funky corners
[08:00:33] <pink_vampire> try to make it with surface.
[08:00:48] <evil_ren> right once you start overlapping curvy shit results gets random
[08:00:55] <_methods> yeah
[08:00:59] <pink_vampire> try to make it with surface.
[08:00:59] <pink_vampire> try to make it with surface.
[08:01:31] <pink_vampire> then use your surface as cutting tool.
[08:01:33] <evil_ren> why would i try and make it with a surface when there is nothing complicated about it, and there are at least two standard methods to accomplish it
[08:02:04] <evil_ren> do you mean a profile
[08:02:07] <gregcnc> I've used surface before because other methods failed
[08:02:26] <pink_vampire> I like to work with surfaces it's a very powerful tool.
[08:02:35] <evil_ren> yeah but dont you think i should try shit thats like, simple first
[08:03:01] <evil_ren> a chainsaw is a powerful tool, doesnt mean i should solder circuitboards with it
[08:03:11] <_methods> lol
[08:03:19] <pink_vampire> try to call them.
[08:03:47] <gregcnc> you're sure it's not self intersecting?
[08:03:53] <evil_ren> somehow i doubt they will push out a fix for this by the weekend
[08:04:14] <pink_vampire> also too tight corners also can make problem.
[08:04:31] <evil_ren> gregcnc: dont think so, also it works on the opposite end
[08:04:43] <evil_ren> same results, tiny tiny radius, big giant radius
[08:05:57] <pink_vampire> try to select keep normal.
[08:06:54] <pink_vampire> what do you select under options??
[08:07:33] <evil_ren> i am not even sure what you are trying to help me with
[08:07:41] <_methods> lol
[08:08:12] <gregcnc> is the path 2D or 3D?
[08:12:20] <pink_vampire> just send a mail to the support. or make a quick phone call and they help you.
[08:12:43] <evil_ren> 2d, im just redoing
[08:13:54] <_methods> lofted sheet metal parts can be a real nightmare like that too
[08:14:07] <pink_vampire> evil_ren: in the sweep tool you have "options"
[08:14:14] <evil_ren> i just dont like it when its inconsistent
[08:14:30] <pink_vampire> did you change something there?
[08:14:31] <evil_ren> if its because of intersection or tight geometry, how come it works half the time
[08:14:32] <_methods> yeah i've found it to be very inconsistent with sweeps and lofts
[08:14:51] <_methods> it thinks stuff is intersecting when it shouldnt'
[08:15:02] <_methods> i don't know but i've run into that before too
[08:15:07] <evil_ren> pink_vampire: you cant do a solid sweep without changing options
[08:15:37] <_methods> sheet metal is especially strange
[08:15:44] <pink_vampire> you can do it with the default..
[08:15:45] <_methods> stuff won't unfold
[08:16:08] <evil_ren> pink_vampire: stahp
[08:16:09] <_methods> like if you do a square to round you can't have all the bends come back to a single vertex
[08:16:16] <_methods> it has to come back to a radius
[08:16:42] <pink_vampire> ??
[08:17:08] <_methods> just put her on ignore
[08:17:12] <_methods> your life will be better
[08:19:03] <pink_vampire> why do you say that??
[08:19:47] <pink_vampire> something wrong??
[08:20:05] <pink_vampire> I did something to one of you??
[08:20:10] <pink_vampire> WTF
[08:20:13] <gregcnc> solid sweep doesn't care about self intersecting it seems
[08:21:19] <evil_ren> yeah it wont let you do non tangent paths, but you can fake it with like, .001 radius
[08:22:04] <evil_ren> and it was fine with it, and fusion360 would pick up the pocket geometry on one side fine, and like, cut off a radius on the other
[08:22:21] <gregcnc> so is SW or Fusion screwing up?
[08:22:23] <evil_ren> like instead of a sphere, the corner was a pacman
[08:22:35] <evil_ren> i dunno, sw seems to do weird things to
[08:22:39] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: I don't know what his problem.. he don't want to even show a screenshot with the settings of the sweep, he just want to be rude to me..
[08:22:53] <evil_ren> like it exports the solid body to cut when you save as igs
[08:23:07] <evil_ren> but exports fine as stp
[08:23:30] <evil_ren> and it was crashing when i was trying to change the sketches the cut was referencing
[08:23:33] <_methods> you might have to adjust your igs export options
[08:23:38] <pink_vampire> what is your igs settings? under advance?
[08:23:44] <gregcnc> pink plenty of people are working on classified govt project looking for help, it's OK
[08:24:24] <pink_vampire> I'm sure they have support for solidworks..
[08:24:27] <gregcnc> I'm guessing too that export options might be an issue, i've only imported a few thigns into fusion and seen issues
[08:24:52] <_methods> i have my igs export set to mastercam
[08:24:59] <evil_ren> yeah dunno, stp seems fine, i dont remember igs export options changing anything
[08:25:22] <evil_ren> i have tried a lot of things, heh
[08:25:44] <gregcnc> now is there any reason not to just trace the path with your ball mill and forget creating the geometry?
[08:25:55] <_methods> i've usuaully only run into igs export problems with assemblies
[08:26:03] <_methods> where parts might be touching
[08:26:24] <_methods> then the igs exporter isn't sure what to do so it "combines" them
[08:26:58] <evil_ren> gregcnc: yeah thats basically where this is going
[08:27:13] <evil_ren> tho i scrapped all the sketches and am trying again, shrug
[08:27:19] <_methods> that sucks but sometimes the easiest way to do it
[08:27:23] <gregcnc> it works
[08:27:29] <pink_vampire> any reason that you have to use igs??
[08:28:11] <gregcnc> SW import into fusion doesn't bring sketches, so iges
[08:29:12] <evil_ren> pink_vampire: because stp isnt working
[08:29:34] <evil_ren> so i tried igs because fuckit, and it exported all bodies
[08:29:59] <pink_vampire> stp isnt working? or stp isnt support in fusion?
[08:30:00] <evil_ren> wait fuck is that a dialog option during save?
[08:30:13] <_methods> yes
[08:30:20] <evil_ren> stp is what im using, i just found an odd thing in igs
[08:30:21] <evil_ren> oh
[08:30:32] <_methods> yep you can set it to export to certain programs
[08:30:38] <evil_ren> maybe because the bodies disappear when you use them for cuts
[08:30:38] <_methods> like my iges export is set to mastercam
[08:30:49] <evil_ren> and then the save dialog in confused, still sees them
[08:30:57] <evil_ren> i dont think they are there anymore to not select
[08:31:20] <evil_ren> and i meant dialog option to select what bodies
[08:31:23] <_methods> oh
[08:31:27] <evil_ren> but then i remembered the bodies go away
[08:31:32] <_methods> yes cut bodies
[08:31:48] <evil_ren> so maybe it expects you to not select them even tho they are gone =\
[08:31:50] <_methods> if they're left orphaned
[08:31:50] <pink_vampire> get hsm...
[08:31:55] <evil_ren> dunno can play with that later
[08:32:06] <gregcnc> SW ->iges ->fusion seemed to work best, but i tried just a few so far
[08:32:08] <evil_ren> hsm doesnt even do 3d
[08:32:38] <evil_ren> yeah besides this i havent had issues with stp or igs in fusion before
[08:33:40] * JT-Shop should stop reading the forum and get some work donw
[08:34:13] <gregcnc> psshh JT-Shop can work another day
[08:34:43] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: what forum are you reading?
[08:35:30] <JT-Shop> LinuxCNC
[08:37:46] <pink_vampire> It's active??
[08:38:47] <JT-Shop> 7,791 users, 7,351 subjects, 71,713 messages so I'd say yea
[08:38:57] <pink_vampire> I want to make a V block, I made the block, I just need to find a way to make the V
[08:39:05] <pink_vampire> JT-Shop: ^
[08:39:09] <gregcnc> with a V mill
[08:39:34] <pink_vampire> no
[08:39:39] <gregcnc> why
[08:40:09] <pink_vampire> it's not the way to make it.
[08:40:25] <gregcnc> Starret makes good ones
[08:40:34] <gregcnc> v blocks
[08:40:42] <pink_vampire> I did the block
[08:40:44] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/EQMm89E.png
[08:40:47] <pink_vampire> look..
[08:41:12] <gregcnc> you have SW, CAM, CNC mill sounds like problem is no problem
[08:41:52] <pink_vampire> I can do it with 3d machining..
[08:42:24] <pink_vampire> but it never going to be smooth as one cut.
[08:42:35] <evil_ren> you should machine some nail clippers
[08:42:42] <gregcnc> just set stepover to .0001"
[08:43:48] <Deejay> eh, did you forget to paint your nails?!
[08:43:51] <Deejay> i'm shocked!
[08:44:04] <pink_vampire> Deejay: look again..
[08:44:34] <Deejay> they are not pink
[08:44:51] <pink_vampire> it's clear nail polish..
[08:45:05] <pink_vampire> with the pink one it's look toooo much..
[08:45:19] <pink_vampire> I
[08:45:21] <Deejay> haha
[08:45:24] <Deejay> ;-)
[08:45:36] <pink_vampire> I'm very happy with the length right now..
[08:45:50] <pink_vampire> I know it's super long..
[08:46:09] <Deejay> yeah, you can start to roll them up ;)
[08:46:46] <pink_vampire> I can go to a place with dry air and they will do it abit...
[08:47:50] <pink_vampire> yes.. I need to maintain the humidity of my nails
[10:08:39] <lair82> PCW, you around?
[10:09:31] <pink_vampire> maybe.
[10:14:07] * JT-Shop got the hydraulic hoses changed on the ole hoe, now for a break and snack of fermented cabbage with carrots and radishes
[10:14:31] <gregcnc> JT that sounds delicious
[10:14:37] <archivist> what a horrible thought
[10:15:11] <JT-Shop> it is very delicious
[10:22:02] <maxcnc> hi all from a sunny germany
[10:23:02] <maxcnc> Someone can do me a favor to look if the dropdown menues on the new Circus page i made are working all over the world ?
[10:23:12] <maxcnc> www.euroschall.de
[10:26:17] <maxcnc> till later
[10:33:11] <Encapsulation> fermented cabbage with carrots and radishes???
[10:33:39] <Encapsulation> maxcnc page works great
[10:38:25] <JT-Shop> home made sauerkraut with diced up carrots and radishes
[10:41:44] <gregcnc> homemade sauerkraut is the best, next is brine pickles
[10:43:40] <_methods> mmmmm
[10:43:52] <_methods> almost lunch time too
[10:43:57] <_methods> damn makin me hungry
[11:05:36] <djdelorie> pink_vampire: the right way to make a v-block is to clamp the block at a 45 degree angle and use an end mill
[11:05:49] <djdelorie> the precision and symmetry happens by doing it right, not by some magic technique
[11:15:14] <Deejay> hehe
[11:21:27] <jdh> magic is easier
[11:21:59] <jdh> also, chinese v blocks are dirt cheap and probably better
[11:23:02] <FloppyDisk> enco has 25% off today on orders >$99: APRSALE. I missed the whatever it was called 'monday' a few weeks back...
[11:23:12] <archivist> take them you your local grinding shop to get them fixed
[11:33:40] <CaptHindsight> Digital production of complex sand moulds by inkjet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJ50g4Pi2w&nohtml5=False
[11:36:14] <gregcnc> I like that. I'd like to give casting a try.
[11:37:00] <archivist> like the starch printer of old
[11:37:32] <gregcnc> i think a horror fright tumbler is in my near future
[11:39:30] <CaptHindsight> used wide format Canon printers are pretty cheap
[11:39:51] <CaptHindsight> and pretty easy to modify for DIY
[11:40:42] <CaptHindsight> Canon uses their own Thermal printhead with lots of nozzles, so they print quickly
[11:41:07] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egBezwsUJg0
[11:42:30] <gregcnc> What kind of binder is set in the printer? solvent based?
[11:43:41] <CaptHindsight> it can be water, solvent or photopolymer
[11:43:57] <CaptHindsight> water is compatible with thermal inkjet
[11:44:07] <CaptHindsight> and easy for diy
[11:44:57] <gregcnc> the machine I could do, but not sure about software
[11:46:02] <CaptHindsight> the printer in that video I think uses piezo heads that are a few $k ea
[11:46:50] <CaptHindsight> if you modified a Canon then you would only have to fool the controller a bit
[11:47:06] <archivist> time for an open source piezo design
[11:47:50] <CaptHindsight> replace the Y-axis roller with a linear axis
[11:48:49] <CaptHindsight> I've offered to make piezo heads in China but I can't find any partners
[11:49:22] <archivist> frightened of patents?
[11:49:45] <CaptHindsight> they are either too lazy or greedy, sometimes both
[11:50:03] <CaptHindsight> no patent issues there is you're guberment funded
[11:50:09] <archivist> I am seeing greed more and more
[11:50:09] <CaptHindsight> is/if
[11:52:13] <CaptHindsight> Epson heads are pretty easy to obtain for cheap since they are basically the same head and design from the $50 and up to $20K printers
[11:52:49] <CaptHindsight> they just turn more channels on or change the materials to be water or solvent compatible
[11:53:10] <CaptHindsight> the down side is that Epson heads are slow
[11:54:27] <Encapsulation> can you cut a hole in the spoilboard to clear parts too long for Z by mounting them partially below
[11:55:11] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: if you want parts under 7.5" x 10.5" then I'd suggest hacking a Canon TIJ
[11:57:01] <CaptHindsight> http://ytec3d.com/forums/topic/step-1-hacking-the-cn642a-inkjet-printhead/
[11:58:03] <gregcnc> size would be small. I'll look into it. would be an interesting way to go for a few parts.
[11:58:54] <archivist> Encapsulation, for long parts a pit in the floor http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_09_27_Claymills_Open_Day/P1010347.JPG
[12:01:55] <CaptHindsight> archivist: do you guys ever sneak in a modern tool like a laser in disguise as part of the display?
[12:02:07] <unfy> rawr.
[12:02:29] <archivist> CaptHindsight, that would be naughty :)
[12:03:41] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: you can also build a SLA printer for the cost of a Z-axis and whatever projector you can find
[12:04:20] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: and use water soluble resin for investment casting
[12:05:04] <CaptHindsight> used HD projectors go for under $200 without lamps
[12:05:23] <gregcnc> i watched a movie the other day that was supposed to be in 1987. The guy asks for a ratchet wrench and they had the modern gear wrench type, not the ugly ones made of riveted plates I saw back then
[12:05:34] <CaptHindsight> replace the lamp with a 100W 4005nm LED
[12:06:06] <Encapsulation> is true z clearance z clearance - tool length?
[12:06:20] <gregcnc> with sand or to make patterns?
[12:06:27] <CaptHindsight> 4005nm/405nm, you want near UV not IR :)
[12:07:04] <CaptHindsight> you print the pattern, then coat it with investment, then rinse the pattern out, then cast
[12:07:14] <gregcnc> right
[12:07:38] <gregcnc> hmmm
[12:08:49] <CaptHindsight> you print a hollow pattern to save on material
[12:09:08] <CaptHindsight> like cheap chocolate easter bunnies
[12:10:06] <gregcnc> so there are light sensitive resins that are water soluble after curing?
[12:11:39] <CaptHindsight> yes
[12:12:15] <Jymmm> Whatever happened to 120VAC toggle switches? Most of what I've been seeing is 12VDc or "mini"
[12:14:36] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: thee are plenty of them out there, just avoid searches for automotive and boating
[12:15:27] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I saw one that looked to be an appliance replacement with leads and they wanted $20, wth?!
[12:15:57] <CaptHindsight> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9276?gclid=CJyUq_P9_MsCFQiUaQodFpEC2w
[12:16:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.delcity.net/store/Medium-Duty-Pre!Wired-Toggle-Switches/p_789136.h_789145.t_1.r_IF1003?mkwid=sn9z2rJCm&crid=38094426869&mp_kw=&mp_mt=&gclid=CN_H2Y7-_MsCFQiqaQodpg8Eqw
[12:16:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Damn, exactly what I need other than 4A (for drillpress)
[12:18:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.alliedelec.com/honeywell-1nt1-8/70119178 10A
[12:19:21] <Jymmm> Need quick-connect not screw terminals, I bet that one would cost more in shipping than the switch itself =(
[12:19:37] <CaptHindsight> check Zoro.com
[12:19:58] <CaptHindsight> how many Amps? 11?
[12:20:14] <unfy> hm, i know at least two local hardware stores that would have them too
[12:20:17] <unfy> (for me)
[12:20:17] <Jymmm> iirc it's 1/2 or 3/4 HP
[12:20:34] <Jymmm> unfy: they'll have them here too, just $$$
[12:21:20] <Jymmm> I think we found a winner.... https://www.zoro.com/honeywell-toggle-switch-spst-10a-277v-quikconnct-11ts95-2/i/G4691346/
[12:21:37] <CaptHindsight> you can only list 2-3 specs at a time on IRC :)
[12:21:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: thanks, never heard of them before.
[12:22:05] <CaptHindsight> e.g. toggle, switch, 120V
[12:22:08] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Okey.... Toggle Switch, SPST, 10A @ 277V, QuikConnct
[12:22:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: That's ONE
[12:23:00] <CaptHindsight> toggle, switch, 120V, 10A, low cost is too many, you start getting suggestions about other types of switches, other ratings, sources etc
[12:23:49] <Jymmm> The sad thing is I have a bag of 50 SPST rocker switches, but they are the snap-in rectangle kind.
[12:25:25] <CaptHindsight> and about 3 weeks after you sell, trade, target practice etc them you'll need them
[12:25:44] <djdelorie> that's why you never get rid of ANYTHING :-)
[12:25:44] <Jymmm> LOL, yep.
[12:26:23] <djdelorie> except kids. Grow up already!
[12:26:28] <CaptHindsight> have you guys been featured on that TV show yet about "collectors"? :p
[12:26:55] <djdelorie> there's a subtle difference between hoarding and having a well-stocked shop. I hope.
[12:27:08] <unfy> ^
[12:27:16] <CaptHindsight> it's all about riding that line
[12:27:27] <unfy> i always try ty buy in 25+ piece quantity and throw it in a bin :D
[12:27:36] <unfy> (with 100 being the preferred number)
[12:27:48] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: eevblog electronics collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8nbHYOc8ns
[12:27:53] <CaptHindsight> it might not be possible to hoard fasteners
[12:27:56] <unfy> if i bought it once, i would probably buy it again
[12:28:27] <unfy> jymm: if it's the electronics part, that's ... all fine and good and organized. if it's the episode about the dozens of tins of couch feet... facepalm
[12:29:02] <CaptHindsight> or couches
[12:29:12] <Jymmm> unfy: Just tins of spoted dick and pigs feet!
[12:29:32] <CaptHindsight> the lunch cue
[12:30:11] <Jymmm> unfy: safe for work... http://images1.westword.com/imager/u/original/7443727/spotted-dick-heinz.jpg
[12:30:58] <unfy> >_>
[12:31:58] <swarfer> anyone have some example Gcode for a laser cutter?
[12:36:40] <jdh> try ssi
[12:37:29] <swarfer> what that?
[12:38:16] <maxcnc> hi
[12:38:40] <maxcnc> getting cold tonight in germany
[12:38:50] <swarfer> gotta gof or a bit
[12:39:22] <maxcnc> Encapsulation: did you decide
[12:39:53] <maxcnc> swarfer: on what its a simple profiling mashine
[12:40:07] <maxcnc> swarfer: or on engraving divverent heights
[12:40:39] <maxcnc> therfor you can use the RPM to control the power
[12:41:00] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: you just did the equivalent of kicking the fence by the yappy dog
[12:41:33] <maxcnc> eng not good enoph to understand the joke
[12:42:01] <Encapsulation> maxcnc, not yet, doing research right now
[12:42:09] <maxcnc> LOL
[12:42:12] <maxcnc> ROFL
[12:42:17] <maxcnc> ;-)
[12:42:20] <Encapsulation> =D
[12:42:30] <maxcnc> a simple drill i told you
[12:42:40] <maxcnc> shoudt i realy make you a drawing
[12:42:52] <maxcnc> to mount the mashine
[12:43:37] <maxcnc> Encapsulation: you now can do me some good
[12:44:17] <maxcnc> please confirm on ma new design that the dropdown menue works on css in your country www.euroschall.de
[12:44:23] <Encapsulation> I'm determining the Z clearance I need now
[12:44:26] <Encapsulation> it does, it works!
[12:44:33] <Encapsulation> I tested it before but you were already gone
[12:45:14] <Encapsulation> http://www.euroschall.de/pages/kuenstler.html
[12:45:18] <Encapsulation> this page is empty
[12:45:27] <maxcnc> Zclearenc is bet to be mounting different on your need
[12:45:53] <maxcnc> so make it movebel
[12:49:59] <maxcnc> Encapsulation: hit the empty page again you are now a circus man !!
[12:50:20] <Encapsulation> =D it works
[12:50:41] <maxcnc> i got to thank
[12:51:09] <maxcnc> so back to you shoudt i help you
[12:51:42] <maxcnc> to make it on your own low cost fast enclosur and best precise max power
[12:51:56] <maxcnc> Just good to go
[12:52:54] <Encapsulation> maybe, if its possible
[12:52:58] <Encapsulation> I dont know if I have the tools
[12:53:07] <maxcnc> klick on my nick
[13:08:16] <robin_sz> so .. how, exactly, do you stop this thing turning the damn display off every 5 minutes?
[13:08:44] <robin_sz> all power saving options set at "never" ...
[13:08:59] <robin_sz> and it still powers the monitor down
[13:09:00] <_methods> debian?
[13:09:03] <robin_sz> no
[13:09:10] <evil_ren> turn off screensaver maybe
[13:09:11] <robin_sz> linuxemc
[13:09:20] <evil_ren> might be set to blank
[13:09:50] <robin_sz> that woudl power the monitor down?
[13:10:11] <evil_ren> it would turn it black, and then the monitor might go no signal, shrug
[13:10:47] <_methods> what distro?
[13:10:56] <robin_sz> well, its not running, and even it it was, it is set to 60 hours
[13:11:11] <Encapsulation> checked your logs?
[13:11:14] <evil_ren> sucks
[13:11:34] <robin_sz> _methods, the messed up linux that comes on the latest install CD, its a sort of windows/debain cross
[13:11:46] <_methods> should be debian
[13:11:51] <_methods> with xfce i believe
[13:11:57] <robin_sz> could be
[13:12:12] <robin_sz> its got some messed up mouse behaviour
[13:12:41] <robin_sz> highlight text ...
[13:12:49] <_methods> you might have to run a script for xset
[13:12:56] <robin_sz> press middle button .. doesnt paste :(
[13:12:57] <_methods> https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8303
[13:13:51] <robin_sz> can't I just remove whatever script is making it behave in a non-debain way in the first place?
[13:14:10] <_methods> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1810262
[13:14:23] <_methods> not debian but should apply the same
[13:14:38] <_methods> i thought i turned mine off in the screensavers settings
[13:14:41] <_methods> or lightdm?
[13:14:44] <_methods> can't remember
[13:15:33] <robin_sz> sounds complicated already
[13:17:37] <robin_sz> would it be simpler to install Gnome?
[13:18:07] <robin_sz> I have enough space now, having removed over a gb of crud that came with it
[13:18:18] <cradek> robin_sz: I haven't read back. have you said exactly what's wrong? where can't you paste? middle button works as expected for me.
[13:18:24] <SpeedEvil> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ - on BEAM
[13:18:25] <SpeedEvil> oops
[13:18:33] <robin_sz> cradek not for me sadle
[13:18:35] <robin_sz> sadly
[13:18:54] <robin_sz> and the screen is powering down
[13:18:56] <Encapsulation> lxde ftw
[13:19:13] <robin_sz> which is becoming expensive
[13:19:44] <_methods> robin_sz: did you check your settings in light locker
[13:19:52] <robin_sz> in what?
[13:20:18] <_methods> think it's light locker i don't have a linuxcnc desktop here right now
[13:20:20] <_methods> or access to one
[13:20:39] <_methods> in settings there should be a thing called light locker
[13:20:46] <_methods> where you find your power settings
[13:22:10] <robin_sz> as I said, in "power settings" I have it set to never
[13:22:16] <_methods> yes
[13:22:23] <_methods> check light locker settins
[13:22:25] <_methods> settings
[13:22:28] <robin_sz> I have no clue what that is
[13:22:35] <_methods> it's in your settings area
[13:22:52] <_methods> holdon let me take a screenshot for you so you can find it
[13:22:57] <robin_sz> no its not
[13:23:16] <_methods> not in your settings manager?
[13:23:29] <robin_sz> no clue what that is
[13:24:11] <_methods> is there a little mouse looking icon in your upper left hand corner
[13:24:36] <robin_sz> I have a small black dog, on a blue cross
[13:24:50] <_methods> oh
[13:25:08] <robin_sz> application
[13:25:10] <robin_sz> settings
[13:25:12] <CaptHindsight> note to disti devs, check with a grown up or experienced user (10+ years) about how the default default settings should be installed
[13:25:16] <robin_sz> powermanager
[13:25:24] <robin_sz> oh wait, there we are
[13:25:27] <robin_sz> setting manager
[13:25:32] <_methods> there ya go
[13:25:35] <robin_sz> but its just the same things in a different format
[13:25:40] <robin_sz> power manager
[13:25:45] <_methods> you don't see light locker in there anywhere?
[13:25:48] <robin_sz> no
[13:25:54] <_methods> well i don't know what desktop you're using then
[13:26:04] <_methods> i thought linuxcnc defaulted to xfce now
[13:26:05] <robin_sz> the one that comes with the latest linuxcnc
[13:26:06] <CaptHindsight> the power management for the screen is a sneaky one
[13:26:08] <robin_sz> xfce
[13:26:33] <_methods> well xfce setting manager should have a lightlocker settings area in there
[13:26:35] <robin_sz> its cost me too much already, it has to be fixed
[13:26:41] <robin_sz> well, it doesnt
[13:27:29] <robin_sz> it had paused for a tool change
[13:27:34] <robin_sz> again
[13:27:40] <robin_sz> the display had gone to sleep
[13:27:42] <robin_sz> again
[13:27:50] <robin_sz> I hit the space bar to wake it up
[13:28:09] <robin_sz> it set off ...fucked the tungsten cutter
[13:28:11] <robin_sz> again
[13:28:38] <_methods> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23537674/Capture.JPG
[13:28:48] <_methods> you don't see something similar to that for your settings manager?
[13:29:07] <robin_sz> no
[13:29:16] <robin_sz> and you appear to have customised yours
[13:30:19] <robin_sz> maybe it unistalled when I removed OpenOffice?
[13:31:05] <_methods> ah i think that is a bad idea
[13:31:13] <robin_sz> what is?
[13:31:23] <_methods> i seem to remember andypugh having issues when he removed openoffice
[13:31:34] <robin_sz> im not even sure why it is on there
[13:32:07] <robin_sz> it has no business being on a CNC control
[13:32:12] <archivist> some would use the spreadsheet for part calcs
[13:32:29] <cradek> the cd is a debian distribution that is slightly modified to easily run linuxcnc
[13:32:54] <robin_sz> I've run debain for nearly 15 years
[13:33:13] <cradek> and you can't turn off the screensaver?
[13:33:13] <robin_sz> mostly servers to be fair
[13:33:21] <robin_sz> never used xfce
[13:33:27] <robin_sz> mostly headless servers
[13:33:44] <robin_sz> but, I've set all the settings to "never" and it ignores them
[13:34:26] <robin_sz> put display to sleep: never
[13:34:40] <robin_sz> switch display off: never
[13:34:43] <cradek> I see menu / settings / screensaver, and at the top is "Mode" and one option is "Disable screen saver"
[13:34:52] <cradek> hm, sounds like you are in a different place
[13:35:15] <robin_sz> its not the screensaver, thats not even running
[13:35:24] <robin_sz> menu/settings/power managemenrt
[13:35:41] <_methods> i had the same issue as him i had to change the settings in light locker
[13:36:02] <_methods> but apparently he doesn't have light locker
[13:36:16] <_methods> i changed the power management settings like robin_sz did but it had no effect
[13:36:27] <_methods> then i found the light locker screen saver settings
[13:36:35] <cradek> I don't know what that is
[13:36:39] <robin_sz> me neither
[13:36:47] <_methods> i just posted a pic of it
[13:36:49] <_methods> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23537674/Capture.JPG
[13:37:19] <cradek> I don't have anything that looks remotely like that
[13:37:24] <robin_sz> me neither
[13:37:45] <robin_sz> I dont have "Mode" in my screensaver thing either
[13:38:03] <FinboySlick> Sheesh, the 'About Me' icon is a mugshot.
[13:38:12] <swarfer> maxcnc: I am trying to develop a laser cut/engrave mode for SketchUcam, a Gcode generator, so need to see some example code to make sure I am not barking up the wrong tree
[13:38:14] <FinboySlick> Yay XFCE.
[13:38:27] <_methods> heheh
[13:38:52] <robin_sz> ok, I do have mode, lets try that .. but screensaver is set to come on after 60 hours anyway
[13:39:01] <robin_sz> I have to go
[13:39:10] <robin_sz> archivist, coming past your way
[13:39:17] <cradek> robin_sz: http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/menu-settings-screensaver.png
[13:39:36] <robin_sz> off up to Worksop
[13:39:47] <robin_sz> cradek, yep, found that and set it .. lets see
[13:39:55] <archivist> thrashing up the A38
[13:40:03] <robin_sz> possibly
[13:40:15] <robin_sz> then dropping into Blidworth
[13:40:48] <robin_sz> Blidworth Bottom :)
[13:42:03] <archivist> person I do some work for is up near mansfield
[13:47:51] <maxcnc> swarfer: does the laser got power adjust
[13:50:53] <swarfer> i don't actually have a laser, just writing the software (-:
[13:51:42] <swarfer> I want to allow for on/off and PWM control, so far I am outputting M3 Sxx commands to set laser on and power at the same time.
[13:52:15] <maxcnc> ok thats what i expected
[13:52:26] <swarfer> in future I will allow for other codes like custom M codes that one can use in LinuxCNC, but it has to be generic Gcode to work on GRBL/TinyG up to LinuxCNC and MAch3, Fanuc etc
[13:52:34] <maxcnc> you only need the standard laser post to use
[13:52:38] <maxcnc> NO Z code
[13:53:10] <swarfer> I am writing the 'post', SketchUcam gcode plugin for Sketchup
[13:53:13] <maxcnc> this standard G-code can be read form all mashines
[13:53:31] <maxcnc> why not using blander cam
[13:53:34] <maxcnc> blender
[13:53:51] <maxcnc> ok sketchup has the same
[13:54:03] <swarfer> I am the maintainer of the SketchUcam plugin
[13:54:26] <maxcnc> just dont output any PinUp or Pindown
[13:54:53] <maxcnc> but keep in in the CAM
[13:55:06] <swarfer> ok, so replace all Z moves sith laserOn/LaserOff
[13:55:23] <maxcnc> no moves only M3 M5
[13:55:38] <swarfer> now, what about a machine with a spindle AND a laser (-:
[13:56:25] <swarfer> laser for engraving part numbers, for example
[13:56:41] <alex4nder> hmm
[13:56:56] <maxcnc> swarfer: then you need to load a diffend mashine
[13:57:15] <maxcnc> i got a mashine that cuts foam wirercut and a Lathe in once
[13:57:27] <maxcnc> i just load a new mashine config
[13:57:35] <maxcnc> the ref swiches are the same
[13:58:16] <swarfer> right now just concerned with the Gcode generation end, for everyone across many controllers. Creating machine setups for LinuxCNC is the easy bit.
[13:58:32] <alex4nder> hmm, I'm seeing 36 uS latency on the servo thread.. seems reasonable enough for running a mesa over ethernet
[13:59:18] <swarfer> I see the laser as a 'tool offset', just need to hook it up to a an on/off pin, easy
[14:03:15] <maxcnc> better to go with 2setups
[14:06:01] <swarfer> ok
[14:19:45] <maxcnc> swarfer: if laser more then 400W go with 2mashines
[14:44:55] <Nick001-shop> how do I test if 5i25-7i77 is actually communicating with axis. I did the pncconf wizard, saved it to axis motor1 and that comes up with hal meter as I would expect. I have an encoder hooked up to 0 position and I don.t see encoder counts. There is 5vdc at pins 3 & 6 on the connecter. Single end encoder and A,B,X are in the right terminals.
[14:50:43] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> you around?
[14:55:46] <Renny> Boop!
[14:58:52] <evil_ren> jezus fuck
[14:59:09] <evil_ren> fusion360 is like SORRY BROWSER NOT WORKING CHECK INTERWEBS?
[14:59:23] <evil_ren> stupid cloud bullshit
[14:59:28] <_methods> ^^
[15:04:02] <evil_ren> restarting fixed, of course
[15:09:36] <CaptHindsight> how many Chinese laser watts for 1050nm required to cut 4" steel plate?
[15:09:47] <XXCoder> 10x normal watts
[15:10:45] <CaptHindsight> and from 1000m
[15:11:14] <_methods> chinese steel?
[15:11:15] <_methods> lol
[15:11:55] <CaptHindsight> assumptions, everything is Chinese, laser, watts, nm, steel, 4"
[15:12:27] <Lowridah> 4" estimated by a chinese man or wman
[15:12:27] <Lowridah> woman
[15:12:39] <Lowridah> too many variables
[15:12:42] <Lowridah> just use a hacksaw
[15:13:04] <CaptHindsight> so it could be just about any thickness, any metal, looks like a laser at least, etc
[15:14:08] <CaptHindsight> watts and nm are just symbols/terms added to appear like specs
[15:14:10] <evil_ren> now fusion file browser opens, and just shows graphical glitches
[15:14:28] <CaptHindsight> bad cloud?
[15:15:11] <evil_ren> dunno, it let me login to the program which means it has connectivity now
[15:15:29] <evil_ren> actually that meant it had connectivity when it thought it didnt...
[15:15:52] <evil_ren> maybe their server is fucking up
[15:15:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2016/04/07/the-human-computer-behind-the-moon-landing-was-a-black-woman.html I think my smartphone has a small Chinese man behind it
[15:19:02] <CaptHindsight> evil_ren: thank you for demonstrating why I will never want a cloud based CAD app
[15:20:26] <_methods> yeah will be nice when the pull a google and shut it all down because they get tired of supporting it
[15:20:32] <_methods> and you lose all your cam/cad
[15:21:31] <CaptHindsight> heh, and even if you backed it up the native files are now worthless
[15:21:40] <evil_ren> fuck native files
[15:21:51] <evil_ren> fusion cad seems like on crack
[15:22:04] <_methods> the part drawing istn't too bad
[15:22:08] <_methods> but assemblies........
[15:22:09] <_methods> dear god
[15:22:09] <evil_ren> mostly i import solids, export gcode, and dont even save anything
[15:22:35] <evil_ren> but this time, i saved something so i could reference the cutting parameters
[15:22:50] <_methods> try assembling something in that hot mess
[15:23:03] <evil_ren> i dont even want to try and model a box to be honest
[15:23:07] <_methods> hahah
[15:23:13] <CaptHindsight> I thought that freecad or opencad was similar and runs on your PC
[15:23:37] <_methods> i would say fusion360 part drawing is very similar to inventor
[15:23:46] <_methods> but assemblies i don't know wtf they did
[15:26:49] <evil_ren> i have legit solidworks, so fusion cad is pretty much a joke
[15:27:50] <evil_ren> We’re sorry, the Chat Support Team is currently busy.
[15:28:30] <XXCoder> fusion saving to cloud I guess means they have access to designs I make
[15:28:48] <evil_ren> i could care less right now as long as it works
[15:30:05] <evil_ren> i might make a twiiter account just so i can bitch at them
[15:30:26] <_methods> lol
[15:42:11] <Not-Renny> Blarggg
[15:42:31] <Not-Renny> So, guys, which open-source software would you recommend for 3d modelling?
[15:42:50] <Jymmm> silly putty
[15:43:41] <Not-Renny> That sounds so functional, Jymmm :P
[15:43:55] <XXCoder> lego
[15:44:05] <XXCoder> wait, lego designs not open source nm
[15:44:22] <Not-Renny> :P
[15:44:29] <Jymmm> Not-Renny: Well, there's that, or if you want to be able to machine it too, there's always polymer clay
[15:45:27] <Not-Renny> But I can't plug my sculpey into the computer....
[15:45:58] <XXCoder> honestly freecad seem to work fine
[15:46:03] <XXCoder> though its cam functions suck
[15:46:10] <Jymmm> Not-Renny: phuk your computer, just plug it up your...
[15:46:16] <CaptHindsight> Not-Renny: the only open CAD application on bothered to install was FeeCAD but I would not really recommend it for much
[15:46:27] <CaptHindsight> on/I
[15:46:39] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: lol FEECad
[15:47:12] <CaptHindsight> FEEcad pay as you go open source
[15:47:55] <CaptHindsight> I use it to view files people send before I take it over to a real CAD system
[15:48:24] <XXCoder> why?
[15:48:44] <CaptHindsight> sometimes I'm just curious and impatient
[15:48:51] <XXCoder> lol ok
[15:49:03] <XXCoder> anyone here ever used cam functions in freecad though?
[15:49:07] <Not-Renny> Hmm.. Anything I can get as a college student?
[15:49:23] <evil_ren> solidworks student edition through your school
[15:49:35] <evil_ren> its free for basic install, like $90 for full features
[15:49:37] <XXCoder> evil_ren: isnt that like $2000
[15:49:40] <sliptonic> XXCoder: I'm working on the Path (CAM) workbench in FreeCAD
[15:49:42] <evil_ren> no?
[15:49:50] <CaptHindsight> don't they have student editions of Solidworks and similar
[15:50:02] <evil_ren> maybe for your school, but i know of two schools that offer it to students for free
[15:50:11] <XXCoder> sliptonic: is there effective tutorials on that?
[15:50:15] <XXCoder> evil_ren: nice
[15:50:27] <Not-Renny> Hmmmm
[15:50:29] <XXCoder> maybe I can take one bullshit course and buy it lol
[15:50:31] <evil_ren> its probably a bulk license thing
[15:50:47] <evil_ren> but if you have an ME department, my guess is you have access to free solidworks or solidedge
[15:50:58] <CaptHindsight> the student edition makes you do everything the hard way and show all your work
[15:51:08] <_methods> lol
[15:51:11] <sliptonic> Effective? not so much. The core is pretty stable but the GUI and most of the end-user functionality is almost non-existent. I'll give you a link to a video I did of the stuff I'm working on which is not in the repo yet.
[15:51:13] <evil_ren> dunno, it has everything i need
[15:51:18] <evil_ren> i dont use library hardware
[15:51:26] <evil_ren> i just download hardware from mcmaster
[15:51:36] <XXCoder> sliptonic: cool. hopefully it will be effective cam evenually
[15:51:45] <evil_ren> thats the biggest difference between student and normal besides the watermarks on the exported drawings
[15:51:49] <XXCoder> I need good linux solution, and fusion and solidworks both dont
[15:51:54] <CaptHindsight> then it takes points off for totally unrelated things like spelling errors and poor choice of color pallet
[15:52:07] <sliptonic> This video is only a couple weeks old but already out of date. Doesn't have any of the task panel stuff I'm working on now: https://youtu.be/c4JUnB1AHdY
[15:52:08] <evil_ren> linux sucks at cad/cam
[15:52:16] <XXCoder> we need to change that
[15:52:24] <evil_ren> its probably the single biggest reason i dont use linux anymore
[15:52:40] <evil_ren> yeah well dont hold your breath
[15:52:41] <XXCoder> few computers at work now annoy me because of constant windows 10 notification
[15:52:49] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Disable that :P
[15:52:55] <evil_ren> its a complicated project and there arent a lot of CAM enabled programmers
[15:52:59] <XXCoder> malcom2073: change corpration pcs? no.
[15:52:59] <miss0r> any german natives active at the moment? When I start a program on my very old cnc here, it starts the spindle, moves a few mm(quite fast) and then halts, displaying error "35" - "NC-Betriebsbereit fehlt (Ausgangskarte 1)". It repeats this error if I try to run the program again
[15:53:19] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I may be IT person but my job is machinist not IT.
[15:53:31] <malcom2073> Haha, then "accidently" click "ok" :P
[15:53:33] <evil_ren> heh
[15:53:41] <malcom2073> Teach IT to disable that stuff
[15:53:48] <evil_ren> we dont let IT touch my lab computers, most places Ive work
[15:54:32] <CaptHindsight> but the even answers are all in the back of the program
[15:54:34] <XXCoder> it at work sucks
[15:54:35] <evil_ren> audio test workstations, cam stuff, we build, install, keep off the corp network
[15:54:57] <XXCoder> they took 4 months to replace one computer that was malfunctioning
[15:55:17] <XXCoder> I would have simply already made workstation image and dd that shit in
[15:55:28] <XXCoder> whole 10 minutes.
[15:55:42] <_methods> 10 minutes?
[15:55:43] <_methods> dd?
[15:55:43] <evil_ren> so do it
[15:55:52] <evil_ren> its a 20MB OS
[15:55:55] <evil_ren> shrug
[15:55:55] <_methods> lol
[15:56:01] <XXCoder> _methods: dd is write image into disk
[15:56:13] <_methods> i know what dd is you momo
[15:56:24] <evil_ren> omg he called you an italian steering wheel
[15:56:33] <XXCoder> lol
[15:56:35] <evil_ren> are you going to take that
[15:56:38] <_methods> hahah
[15:56:51] <XXCoder> evil_ren: its Italian, he should be flattered
[15:56:53] <_methods> this momo is at quitting time
[15:57:00] <XXCoder> later _methods :)
[15:57:05] <_methods> so you douche nozzles later
[15:57:09] <evil_ren> kk
[15:57:17] <Duc_main> anyone care to write a Scope of work for a piece of equipment so I dont have to
[15:57:26] <miss0r> meh. apparently the feed ajustment 'nob' was installed incorrectly. the inducator pointed at 60% while it was actualy at 140. and as it was programmed to run at maximum allowed speed it failed ;)
[15:57:53] <XXCoder> miss0r: that can be annoying. one machine I use sometimes has 95% = 100%
[15:58:23] <XXCoder> most cases it dont matter but if set to "100%" it will run little too fast on fiberglass and that wears tools MUCH faster.
[15:58:28] <miss0r> I'm hoping turning this nob 180" degrees will fix this from happending again :)
[15:58:38] <miss0r> indeed
[15:59:10] <miss0r> This is the first time i've heard the spindle at 6000rpm. That is one noise machine
[15:59:26] <miss0r> i'll need to wear hearing protection while working it, it seems
[15:59:40] <XXCoder> heh too bad theres no way to turn noise to power
[15:59:44] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: what size spindle?
[15:59:58] <XXCoder> can recover bunch of power running spindle that way
[16:00:01] <miss0r> CaptHindsight, size?
[16:00:21] <CaptHindsight> I put masking tape on 2Kw spindles and make airplane sounds
[16:00:53] <CaptHindsight> leave the tape dangling by an inch or so
[16:01:11] <evil_ren> guys
[16:01:15] <miss0r> what are you referring to when talking size?
[16:01:20] <evil_ren> mcmaster sells beach cruisers with giant baskets for $590
[16:01:30] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: anything
[16:02:04] <CaptHindsight> keeping the discussion imprecise
[16:03:32] <miss0r> fair enough. it's a 12kw spindle motor with SK40 taper
[16:04:22] <XXCoder> laters
[16:04:52] <CaptHindsight> I replace the er16 collet with a few wraps of masking tape, and instant propeller plane sound effect maker
[16:05:49] <JT-Shop> anyone here use an android tablet?
[16:06:15] <evil_ren> i have one, i dont use it so much anymore
[16:06:22] <evil_ren> wai
[16:06:43] <JT-Shop> just wondering what would be a good basic one
[16:07:12] <evil_ren> i just buy nexus shit, shrug
[16:07:15] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: they tend to not offer Android updates
[16:07:34] <evil_ren> who doesnt?
[16:07:45] <CaptHindsight> cept for the Googles
[16:07:49] <evil_ren> my android stuff updates pretty often, i think there is a monthly scheduled patch
[16:07:58] <CaptHindsight> low cost ChinaCo tablets
[16:08:03] <evil_ren> well right thats why i dont buy random shit with hacked the fuck up android installs
[16:08:04] <miss0r> i'd say anything Samsung
[16:08:15] <evil_ren> samsung hacks up their android install
[16:08:17] <evil_ren> fuck touchwiz
[16:08:31] <evil_ren> samsung means i have to cyanogenmod, which is extra work
[16:08:38] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: what will you use it for?
[16:08:45] <miss0r> I bought the misses a samsung tab 2, 10" a few years back. it still runs. I had to but a replacement battery off ebay a few months back, tho
[16:09:02] <JT-Shop> a friend needs one for her sister to take photos and surf the web
[16:09:31] <miss0r> if just for that - that is "no games". you can buy a cheap one.
[16:09:41] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[16:09:50] <evil_ren> cheap ones dont update
[16:09:58] <JT-Shop> ok thanks
[16:10:07] <evil_ren> some are messed up enough you cant even get into recovery mode
[16:10:29] <evil_ren> like one i had, they remapped buttons, so the buttons to enter recovery werent even populated on the circuit board
[16:10:49] <evil_ren> also tend to be slow, also tend to have hacked up android that wont update
[16:10:56] <evil_ren> wait i said that
[16:11:58] <miss0r> I should do a spindle mod :) I would realy love to have 30k rpm at 12kw... Then I could do some seriously fast machining :D
[16:14:24] <CaptHindsight> rotating mass vs rpm vs centrifugal force vs strength
[16:14:47] <unfy> the heat of the meat is proportional to the angle of the dangle and the mass of the ass ?
[16:14:57] <Deejay> eh, what? ;)
[16:15:10] <unfy> not-moin, deejay :D
[16:15:26] <gregcnc> just set the VFD to 300Hz, you're welcome
[16:15:36] <Deejay> greetings :)
[16:16:02] <Duc_main> CaptHindsight: Did the one guy make up his mind yet about the cnc
[16:16:16] <Encapsulation> not yet
[16:16:21] <Encapsulation> getting closer
[16:25:38] <unfy> poopy. i didn't buy standoffs. i'll have to prolly just drill and tap some angle aluminum then ._.
[16:26:02] <unfy> (breakout board & driver board mountings)
[16:26:23] * miss0r yells in frustration!
[16:26:34] <miss0r> This post processor is playing tricks on me!
[16:27:25] <miss0r> scratching beard - check, yelling at it - check, reboot - check, looking hopelessly at the screen - check. I'm almost out of constructive options here
[16:28:19] <miss0r> it should have a 'trust me on this' option. then it would all be fine
[16:46:37] <Deejay> gn8
[16:47:44] <Encapsulation> http://www.harborfreight.com/electric-cutout-tool-42831.html
[16:47:46] <Encapsulation> may have found my solution
[16:53:16] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo-EO-PRMFk&t=1m35s
[16:53:22] <Encapsulation> this is my result when I cut by hand though
[16:55:09] <gregcnc> you just need practice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu4NCUB_i-M
[16:55:42] <Encapsulation> I need a bit that can cut al sideways
[16:55:44] <Encapsulation> for my dremel
[16:55:52] <Encapsulation> maybe I'll just try that and see how the results are
[16:55:57] <Encapsulation> I think maybe not so good
[16:58:13] <Encapsulation> https://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=561
[18:12:18] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4l5rHNSq9s
[18:13:23] <Encapsulation> I must have the 2nd sculpture
[18:13:37] <andypugh> They are lovely aren’t they?
[18:13:47] <Encapsulation> yes, amazing
[18:14:45] <Encapsulation> 33 min is just insane
[18:16:01] <Encapsulation> and 11m, anyway, bbl getting some dinner
[18:16:54] <andypugh> 33m makse me think of the Shrike from Hyperion
[18:22:01] <pink_vampire> Encapsulation: the endmill from dremel is pure junk.
[18:22:11] <pink_vampire> I have it here.
[18:22:38] <gregcnc> It may be alloyed with some garbage.
[18:23:34] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: no, it's garbage with some alloy..
[18:24:23] <djdelorie> reminds me of trying to mill Home Depot "steel"
[18:24:56] <gregcnc> well it's either pure junk or an alloy of junk and garbage
[18:25:20] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: do you mean to the stock materials? yeah it's junk.
[18:25:46] <pink_vampire> Encapsulation: what are you tying to do?
[18:31:47] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire, there are 3 main things the machine could do for me, that would change my business
[18:31:55] <Encapsulation> 1. Engrave and route 2-4mm aluminum http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pk0AAOSwHgVW77ne/s-l300.jpg
[18:32:01] <Encapsulation> 2. cut pcbs http://artfab.art.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dscn6119.jpg
[18:32:15] <Encapsulation> 3. engrave labels on the routed aluminum http://www.8020cnc.com/images/alu_engrave1_large.jpg
[18:32:51] <Encapsulation> the first enclosure I linked is less than 5 dollars
[18:32:54] <Encapsulation> not even buying in bulk
[18:33:05] <Encapsulation> so if I can mill those into finished product, thats cheap
[18:33:06] <pink_vampire> link?
[18:33:19] <Encapsulation> but that means I need BIG z clearance
[18:33:22] <Encapsulation> to fit the existing enclosure
[18:33:23] <Encapsulation> 1 sec
[18:34:37] <Encapsulation> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Project-Box-Aluminum-Enclosure-Case-DIY-4-33-2-52-0-94-L-W-H-/151400543729?hash=item23402cf5f1:g:jukAAMXQ1d1TGYxM
[18:34:39] <Encapsulation> this type of thing
[18:35:05] <Encapsulation> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-PCB-Instrument-Box-Enclosure-Electronic-Project-Case-DIY-different-Size-/401084024861?var=&hash=item5d6278881d:m:mpiFJmAc-8Tybn_f4tI4wpA
[18:35:06] <Encapsulation> and here
[18:35:14] <Encapsulation> my plan was to screw them directly to spoilboard
[18:35:17] <Encapsulation> when I need to mill the top
[18:35:27] <Encapsulation> when I need to mill sides same thing, screw the side plate to spoilboard
[18:35:29] <Encapsulation> route and engrave
[18:35:33] <Encapsulation> it would look so clean!!!!
[18:36:55] <Encapsulation> its got slots inside for my pcbs that I cut to slide into as well
[18:37:05] <Encapsulation> and I think it looks a bit cleaner than cutting from raw sheet
[18:37:08] <Encapsulation> and bolting together
[18:37:14] <Encapsulation> which does work, and is strong for sure, and can look nicer
[18:37:19] <Encapsulation> but this looks a bit more off-the-shelf
[18:37:26] <Encapsulation> and the price may actually be similar
[18:40:45] <Encapsulation> if I didnt have flange boxes, I was thinking I could route a shallow "bed" for the box to sit in that would square it, and secure it there with double sided tape
[18:41:12] <Encapsulation> I could have threaded inserts int he spoilboard
[18:41:15] <Encapsulation> in multiple locations
[18:41:18] <Encapsulation> for my different sized enclosures
[18:46:59] <andypugh> Encapsulation: This would be what would be used in a production shop: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Pcs-201B-Horizontal-Toggle-Clamp-Quick-Release-Tool-Holding-90Kg-198Lbs-HYSG-/311453355320?hash=item4884110d38:g:ojgAAOSwQTVWBycI
[18:48:06] <Encapsulation> ah I think I've seen those in some videos
[18:48:11] <Encapsulation> inexpensive
[18:49:37] <andypugh> These are about $1 each, including shipping. I don’t see how that is possible: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCS-Useful-New-Hand-Tool-Toggle-Quick-Clamp-201A-Horizontal-Clamp-201-A-/331632548969?hash=item4d36d71c69:g:t88AAOSwgQ9V1FSO
[18:52:05] <Encapsulation> lol
[18:52:13] <Encapsulation> added to watch list
[18:52:26] <Encapsulation> someone was seriously underpaid
[18:52:27] <Encapsulation> thats how
[18:52:38] <Encapsulation> they made one grain of rice for producing those 4 clamps
[18:53:19] <andypugh> I can’t even post a postage stamp to China for $5
[18:53:46] <Encapsulation> does their govt subsidize the shipping?
[18:53:53] <Encapsulation> to ensure world market domination
[18:54:08] <Encapsulation> and they take the money to do it from the people?
[18:54:10] <andypugh> No, your domestic postal system does.
[18:55:46] <andypugh> The arrangement with international post is that it is delivered for free in the destination country. That used to be about fair when the quantity of goods going each way was approximately the same, but has become a really good deal for China Post and a really bad deal for Royal Mail and USPS.
[18:56:02] <Encapsulation> http://fortune.com/2015/03/11/united-nations-subsidy-chinese-shipping/
[18:56:04] <Encapsulation> interesting read
[18:56:35] <Encapsulation> usually myu shipping is totally "free" from china, the sellers probably bury that in the item cost
[18:56:48] <Encapsulation> or just $1
[18:56:51] <Encapsulation> its amazing
[18:58:54] <andypugh> It can’t go on like this for ever.
[18:59:43] <andypugh> Nor can I. Time to sleep.
[19:04:13] <Encapsulation> gn
[19:04:28] <Encapsulation> do I need to subtract tool length from z clearance?
[19:04:29] <Encapsulation> or no
[19:07:30] <Encapsulation> this is critical
[19:07:34] <Encapsulation> I may be able to go with a cheaper machine
[19:07:40] <Encapsulation> someone gave me the idea, spoilboard on half of the machine
[19:07:45] <Encapsulation> for milling the end plates and pcb
[19:07:50] <Encapsulation> and leave the other half tslot table
[19:07:57] <Encapsulation> then use only split half enclosures
[19:08:06] <Encapsulation> which are 35mm z
[19:08:07] <Encapsulation> which clears
[19:08:26] <Encapsulation> I could go super cheap $500 for a 3020
[19:08:28] <Encapsulation> or 3040
[19:08:38] <Encapsulation> or maybe not... need to do some math
[19:08:44] <Encapsulation> but the ebay 6040 might now work!!!
[19:09:00] <Encapsulation> that machine even fits a guitar although I can't find even ONE example of a guitar body being milled on it
[19:09:01] <Encapsulation> which is odd
[19:09:16] <Encapsulation> it wouldnt fit a neck but those look like a shitload of work anyway
[19:09:21] <Encapsulation> and the guitar would just be bonus
[19:09:29] <Encapsulation> but I can factor it in because I play, I like to think that way
[19:09:50] <Encapsulation> a new guitar body I will be eventually buying is $400-$700
[19:09:59] <Encapsulation> so even adding that much to the cost is worth it, if it could make it for me =D
[19:10:45] <Encapsulation> I was faced with spending nearly $4000 on the xzero machine, or $2500 on the omio X6-2200l
[19:11:06] <Encapsulation> so $1400 with optional USB + 4th axis + handheld controller.. sweet deal!
[19:11:20] * Encapsulation goes to do deep research with this new information
[19:13:32] <Encapsulation> http://artfab.art.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dscn6119.jpg
[19:13:40] <Encapsulation> I would need pcbs like that
[19:13:41] <malcom2073> Encapsulation: Did you used to have a different nickname?
[19:14:00] <Encapsulation> malcom2073, yes I'm polymorphism, this is my original nickname on this server
[19:14:02] <jdh> heh
[19:15:21] <malcom2073> Gotcha, makes more sense now :)
[19:18:14] <unfy> is this for a money making or just prototyping on your own ?
[19:18:46] <Encapsulation> initially for rapid prototyping and one off designs for local sale
[19:18:56] <Encapsulation> eventually, production but by then I may outsource or upgrade
[19:19:48] <unfy> etch the board and just drill by hand or via a usb microscope drill press. you'll have a few tool change outs if you're trying to cnc a pcb entirely
[19:19:52] <malcom2073> Encapsulation: I just want to point out, that I've used my mill to make something in the time you've been thinking about this :)
[19:20:10] <malcom2073> Infact, I made one thing, which had a mistake, modified the plan and make a second proper one
[19:21:08] <Encapsulation> unfy, the pcb is more of a bonus. I really need to route these enclosures
[19:21:09] <Encapsulation> malcom2073, xD
[19:21:18] <unfy> if you wanna cnc only the holes, that's prolly fine, although i dunno if a 0.8mm mill can handle *any* latteral force - so tool change outs for different size *drills* makes more sense.
[19:21:21] <malcom2073> :P
[19:23:04] <Encapsulation> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-4AXIS-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-US-/221354177332
[19:23:15] <Encapsulation> trying to determine if this would work, it would be a disaster if I bought it and it didnt fit
[19:23:24] <Encapsulation> so thats 100mm z clearance it says
[19:23:31] <Encapsulation> only 65mm z travel, but I dont need much, just 4mm
[19:23:42] <Encapsulation> so my thickest enclosure is 70mm
[19:23:49] <Encapsulation> so it would easily clear the max Z
[19:23:59] <Encapsulation> but, do I need to subtract spoilboard thickness if I use one, and also tool length?
[19:24:09] <Encapsulation> and, what is the thinnest MDF spoilboard I could use? 1/4"?
[19:24:36] <Encapsulation> I dont quite understand how these pieces all work together and if I end up with enough Z clearance for my goals
[19:26:40] <Encapsulation> 38-50mm average tool length it says, so I'm trying to use google to determine if I need to subtract that from the claimed clearance
[19:27:35] <Encapsulation> that might change everything, the omio cnc has a very nice 140mm z clearance and 140mm z travel
[19:28:01] <Encapsulation> so I need to rule out or confirm the ebay 6040 as a choice to continue narrowing the selection
[19:29:30] <jdh> down to 600, plus the other 8,231 you will find soon.
[19:29:36] <unfy> that includes the shank, yo.
[19:30:18] <Jymmm> jdh: Did you inlcude the cnc etch-a-sketch in that ?
[19:30:53] <Encapsulation> unfy, what about the shank?
[19:31:04] <Encapsulation> jdh, I'm actually down to just 3
[19:31:24] <Encapsulation> ebay 6040 omio x6-2200l or xzero 12"x30" machine
[19:31:39] <Encapsulation> prices $1300 $2500 $2500, respectively
[19:32:06] <Encapsulation> or I got crazy, and buy 25x30x7" xzero, but I think that would be too much at $3800
[19:32:17] <Encapsulation> I dont really NEED that much space
[19:32:33] <Encapsulation> I just dont like the small 12"x of the $2500 xzero
[19:32:52] <Encapsulation> this is assuming it comes down to x6-2200l vs xzero
[19:33:06] <Encapsulation> first I need to eliminate 6040 from the picture if it wont work
[19:33:10] <Encapsulation> what do you mean about shank unfy
[19:34:43] <Encapsulation> been looking into software as well, leaning towards freecad + meshcam + linuxcnc (I'm assuming I can output gcode from meshcam and use it with linux cnc?)
[19:35:40] <Encapsulation> I read that the free cam software wasn't very good, thats why I'm thinking about meshcam
[19:35:49] <Encapsulation> I heard it's easier to learn, works well, price is reasonable
[19:36:27] <Encapsulation> really when I start to consider tooling, clamps, vacuum, possible enclosure, table, dust, software
[19:36:35] <Encapsulation> the $3800 raptor isnt even an option
[19:36:38] <Encapsulation> its down to just those 3 machines
[19:36:55] <Encapsulation> I kind of like the idea of putting the raptor together myself
[19:37:02] <Encapsulation> and seeing how it all fits together and wiring it all up
[19:37:14] <Encapsulation> but I also don't like the idea of having to build an enclosure for it. Perhaps a pc case would work nicely
[19:37:28] <Encapsulation> the x6 and 6040 are turn key
[19:37:38] <Encapsulation> raptor is fully disassembled
[20:01:59] <Encapsulation> http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=6995.0 nice results in mdf
[20:15:54] <pink_vampire> Encapsulation: did you order a machine?
[20:23:19] <sthns> hi there, how do i find out if my cnc is compatible with linuxcnc? is just the controler information needed (in my case "Siemens 840D SL" and "Heidenhain iTNC 640")?
[20:23:45] <malcom2073> sthns: most everything is compatible with linuxcnc, it replaces the control entirely
[20:24:05] <skunkworks> you would need to know what sort of input the amps take.
[20:24:15] <malcom2073> *with some work* heh
[20:24:20] <skunkworks> and what sort of feedback there is
[20:24:56] <sthns> okay, so it will take a bit of time, reading and talking
[20:27:58] <pink_vampire> sthns: by default your drivers should work with Step Direction commands to be able to work with linuxnc
[20:29:06] <sthns> yeah that should be the case. this is the machine in question btw: http://gies.se/uploads/images/130/DSC_6212_detail_f71b5515c33c094b7dc0874cd8baf2bdc7c4d447.png?1410773610
[20:29:34] <sthns> will keep you updated over the next few weeks
[20:29:41] <pink_vampire> wow that huge..
[20:30:28] <pink_vampire> sthns: I have benchtop machine
[20:31:15] <sthns> for nearly all individual uses benchtops are more practical
[20:31:54] <pink_vampire> yeah,, she is cute.. :)
[20:32:02] <sthns> this is in a kind of project with lots of woodwork involved in the rooms of an old foundry
[20:32:46] <pink_vampire> why do you want to use linuxcnc?
[20:33:06] <pink_vampire> what's wrong with the original controller?
[20:33:54] <sthns> that was a decision before my time, mostly because of idelogical reasons and a bit of troubles with the former electronics
[20:39:17] <pink_vampire> sthns: http://i.imgur.com/wWPij14.png
[20:39:29] <pink_vampire> my machine (old pic)
[20:40:01] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: I'm just amazed you manage chip control
[20:40:02] <sthns> that is an orderly workingplace i am impressed - and a nice machine
[20:40:50] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: what do you mean??
[20:41:06] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Lot of stuff around the machine for chips to get into
[20:41:16] <malcom2073> Plus wood floors, between the boards
[20:41:56] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: with 1000rpm spindle the chip don't fly that far...
[20:42:20] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:42:21] <pink_vampire> and vacuum cleaner.
[20:42:27] <malcom2073> I can't seem to get all my chips up no matter how hard I try :/
[20:43:57] <pink_vampire> but yeah.. it's start to become annoying, I'm thinking about wood tray or something foldable for collecting the chips
[20:44:32] <pink_vampire> the last part.. from the O2 steel, was razor sharp chips.
[20:44:33] <malcom2073> I really want an enclosure around my table
[20:44:41] <pink_vampire> fly alll over here..
[20:45:17] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about up side down umbrella
[20:45:29] <malcom2073> Would catch the close-in stuff
[20:45:58] <pink_vampire> I don't want it permanent, it's a small house.
[20:46:00] <malcom2073> I'm thinking a bolt on enclosure, with magnets holding the lexan in place
[20:46:06] <malcom2073> For mine
[20:46:13] <malcom2073> but yeahenclosures make things seem bigger
[20:46:18] <pink_vampire> that nice idea.
[20:50:52] <pink_vampire> what is the recommended angle in the V block?
[20:54:38] <Encapsulation> /me gorges
[20:54:57] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire, not yet, sadly.
[20:55:41] <pink_vampire> why it is so complicated?
[20:56:54] <malcom2073> What's gonna be an absolute riot, is once Encapsulation gets a machine in house, and has to figure out software, and then has to figure out tooling
[20:57:06] <malcom2073> That'll lead to *months* of deliberations :P
[20:57:09] <Duc> most arent run by linuxcnc right?
[20:57:45] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Are we talking nail removal? If so, then 30 degrees =)
[20:58:10] <Encapsulation> malcom2073, I've picked those already at least =D
[20:58:18] <Encapsulation> freecad, meshcam, linuxcnc
[20:58:31] <Encapsulation> and some chinese tools from amazon people report good results for my uses with
[21:00:17] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: I mean about the small V block that I want to make.
[21:02:50] <malcom2073> I think mine are 90
[21:04:20] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Where the evil in that?! Eeeeeeesh
[21:06:35] <pink_vampire> I want to be able to hold 1/4" to 3/4" with them
[21:07:10] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/WZQYZ20.png
[21:07:27] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire, we all have needs
[21:07:49] <pink_vampire> the V is ok? or it's too small?
[21:08:02] <Encapsulation> looks good, but remember
[21:08:10] <Encapsulation> always get bigger than you think you will need
[21:08:50] <pink_vampire> I need it to make very small part
[21:09:07] <pink_vampire> that one http://i.imgur.com/zOUfWOw.png
[21:09:15] <pink_vampire> top to bottom 8.5mm
[21:09:23] <Encapsulation> that drawing has no dimensions
[21:09:26] <Encapsulation> ah I see
[21:09:30] <pink_vampire> 8.2 with
[21:09:30] <Encapsulation> 8.5mm...
[21:09:32] <Encapsulation> hm...
[21:09:49] <pink_vampire> the holes are 1.27mm diameter.
[21:10:15] <pink_vampire> the hole in the center need to be tapped for M2
[21:10:35] <pink_vampire> what do you think?
[21:11:04] <Encapsulation> it might work, but you'd better double check
[21:13:20] <Encapsulation> these fruit loops are incredible
[21:13:39] <pink_vampire> fruit loops ???
[21:14:11] <ve7it> yes he is :}
[21:14:39] <pink_vampire> ve7it: ??
[21:14:45] <Encapsulation> http://www.chowhound.com/assets/2014/06/cereal_fruit_loops_1920x1200.jpg pink_vampire
[21:14:47] <pink_vampire> I'm lost
[21:14:57] <Encapsulation> its d innertime here
[21:14:59] <ve7it> along with most of us that hang out here
[21:15:31] <pink_vampire> omg, this is not healthy.
[21:16:04] <ve7it> Encapsulation, great picture... would make a very annoying desktop background
[21:16:10] <Encapsulation> xD
[21:16:47] <pink_vampire> I'm cooking now quinoa with barley
[21:17:23] <pink_vampire> quinoa is the best thing ever!
[21:17:37] <ve7it> roast chicken and potatoes being served here
[21:18:04] <pink_vampire> you make me hungry now..
[21:18:12] <Jymmm> ve7it: hey Mr L
[21:18:41] <ve7it> hi Jymmm how is life in the wilderness?
[21:19:08] <Jymmm> ve7it: mosquitos and black widows
[21:19:21] <Jymmm> oh and mnt lions
[21:19:59] <Encapsulation> quinoa is good, and potato
[21:20:09] <Encapsulation> mosquiots and black widows and lions = bad
[21:20:37] <ve7it> cool... we need a few more cats here to keep the deer population down.... seems no one hunts anymore
[21:20:39] <pink_vampire> lions??
[21:21:10] <Jymmm> ve7it: Ha! I installed a lightbar becasue I almost hit 6 deer in one month
[21:21:20] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Not ions, Mountain lion
[21:21:34] <ve7it> mountain lions, cougars, known by several names
[21:21:52] <Jymmm> ph and a gey fox the over night
[21:21:58] <Jymmm> grey*
[21:22:28] <Jymmm> guess he could have been a gay grey fox, but he didn't stay around to ell me
[21:22:33] <Jymmm> tell*
[21:22:39] <ve7it> time for chicken demolition... catch you later
[21:22:47] <Jymmm> laters
[21:24:42] <Encapsulation> Jymmm, do I need to take tool length into account when I consider Z clearance?
[21:28:10] <pink_vampire> yes
[21:28:55] <pink_vampire> 4" Z axis travel with 1" tool length is actually 3" Z travel.
[21:29:44] <pink_vampire> also vacuum table
[21:29:52] <pink_vampire> Encapsulation: ^
[21:47:18] <Encapsulation> wow.
[21:47:21] <Encapsulation> that changes a LOT
[21:47:29] <Encapsulation> so 2.7" z travel will never work for me
[21:47:58] <Encapsulation> I have 3" parts 2.7" z travel .5" spoilboard 1.5" tool
[21:48:01] <pink_vampire> do you have microphone?
[21:48:08] <Encapsulation> no
[21:49:26] <Encapsulation> 5.5" would though
[21:49:43] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking that you are not understand few concepts about cnc machines
[21:49:50] <Encapsulation> thats true
[21:50:16] <Encapsulation> 2.7" part +1.5" tool +.5"spoilboard = 4.7" machine has 5.5" clearance 5.5" travel
[21:50:22] <Encapsulation> for x6 machine
[21:50:29] <pink_vampire> but I can't type it all.. but I can make a conversation with you if you want.
[21:50:48] <Encapsulation> ebay 6040 just 3.9" clearance 2.5" travel
[21:50:55] <Encapsulation> ok
[21:52:24] <toastydeath> lol
[21:54:27] <pink_vampire> Encapsulation: https://discord.gg/0oAimSwFHdSEFl7Y
[21:57:28] <evil_ren> omg square mill machining done
[21:58:07] <Encapsulation> gratz
[22:55:48] <MrTrick> *snerk* https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wYjuOY0xEfc/VtTYt4S1AvI/AAAAAAAAGVU/FE3rpiHW6go/s400/IMG_2356.jpg