#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-06

[01:09:03] <unfyhome> dragged wood & drawer slide machine inside, powered up the athlon system, wired up a single axis driver ... tested all 3 axis ... seems to work fine \o/
[01:11:44] <unfyhome> now to figure out how wanna build the driver enclosure
[01:12:25] <unfyhome> soooo very happy that the lil nema17's are more than powerful enough for the job. although the Z axis may be a diff story with a heavy ass router hanging on it
[01:12:45] <unfyhome> (i have room for attaching some springs to take some of the load off though ... by design ... woo heh)
[01:20:08] <Tecan> for a 0.5 mm drillbit what would the y.0xxx number be ?
[01:20:36] <Tecan> 0.145 ?
[01:26:53] <Tecan> aha its in inches, so 0.185 = 4.7 mm
[02:27:27] <Deejay> moin
[04:48:49] <XXCoder> boo
[05:09:01] <Bushman> hi guys
[05:09:19] <Bushman> is it possible to enter more than one command per line in MDI?
[05:10:03] <XXCoder> im pretty sure you can do blah blah ; blah blah so on
[05:10:13] <XXCoder> not very certain though
[05:10:27] <Bushman> cool. gonna try it out and see if this syntax works
[05:17:05] <Bushman> nope... it's ignored
[05:17:08] <XXCoder> darn
[05:17:14] <Bushman> yea :(
[05:17:18] <XXCoder> odd though
[05:17:34] <XXCoder> most machines, even opretty old ones, allow insert more than one line before running.
[05:17:58] <Bushman> well, i can input more than one line and it buffers
[05:18:37] <XXCoder> oka trying to clear up what you mean by "command"
[05:18:53] <Bushman> ok:
[05:19:02] <Bushman> x100
[05:19:05] <Bushman> y10
[05:19:17] <Bushman> not x100 y10
[05:19:36] <XXCoder> h you want it to go to x100 THEN y10
[05:19:41] <Bushman> yes
[05:19:43] <XXCoder> nope that isnt a way in gcode
[05:19:53] <Bushman> i know it's not in gcode
[05:20:13] <Bushman> but what about putting more than one "g-code" line in one MDI line?
[05:20:42] <XXCoder> you menioned bufferin?
[05:21:41] <Bushman> well, i can manually enter more than one line by running each separately and they buffer untill the last one finishes
[05:21:56] <Bushman> but that still require me entering each and every line separately
[05:24:59] <archivist> have you tried g1x0 g1y1 on one line
[05:26:10] <archivist> might want to set exact stop mode so it does not attempt to round corners
[05:27:26] <Bushman> hmm... let me try this
[05:34:12] <Bushman> nope, two Gn don't work either :(
[05:34:45] <Bushman> i wonder if i can make a file with snippets and only invoke the sub program from MDI
[05:48:52] <enleth> New servo drives arriving tomorrow, I have to whip up a 2kW 140VDC source somehow, wish me good luck
[05:49:15] <Bushman> :D
[05:49:36] <Bushman> enleth: good luck, don't die.
[05:49:37] <Bushman> :D
[05:50:26] <enleth> I do have two old US-made 5kW autotransformers
[05:50:48] <enleth> and a big box of huge ass capacitors
[05:51:20] <enleth> no high power diodes, but that's what big FETs are for anyway
[05:51:24] <enleth> it's going to be fun
[05:57:03] <archivist> synchronous rectum fryer!
[11:03:17] <ReadError> anyone have a good domestic aluminum source? (USA)
[11:03:35] <ReadError> Amazon is out and mcmaster wants like 85$ for something I paid 33 for ;/
[11:04:34] <archivist> just go to a local metal stockist
[11:05:12] <ReadError> yea I dont have one of those
[11:07:35] <_methods> online metals?
[11:07:53] <_methods> http://www.onlinemetals.com/
[11:08:13] <_methods> metalsdepot.com
[11:08:28] <_methods> metalsupermarkets.com
[11:08:34] <mozmck> where in the USA doesn't have a metal supplier?
[11:09:15] <_methods> and ebay too
[11:09:44] <ReadError> america is big
[11:09:58] <ReadError> not everyone is within a stones throw of a metal stockist
[11:10:56] <archivist> depends how hard you throw the stone :)
[11:10:57] <mozmck> just curious where? Every back country place I've seen has at least welding and machine shops.
[11:11:10] <ReadError> north GA
[11:11:33] <ReadError> with my work schedule its not easy to get to ATL during business hours
[11:25:13] <CaptHindsight> http://metalsupermarkets.com/marietta/
[11:29:39] <CaptHindsight> ReadError: more likely your problem is finding a supplier with evening or weekend hours
[11:29:52] <CaptHindsight> rare for metals and welding supply
[11:31:01] * Loetmichel2 has destroyed 2 USB thumbdrive casings today (stepped on them)... the chips are still fine, so it was good that i had a cnc mill and some 1/8" PMMA... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16224&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ;-)
[11:32:06] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel2: the end is still unprotected from being stepped on
[11:32:14] <SpeedEvil> Sliding cover?
[11:33:19] <Loetmichel2> no, i dont need caps i have compresed air to blow any dirt out of the plugs
[11:34:47] <SpeedEvil> I mean the metal end is quite fragile and can exert a large lever arm against the PCB leading to failures in several ways beyond dust
[11:35:10] <Loetmichel2> thats why i made the perspex GRIP the plig
[11:35:12] <Loetmichel2> plug
[11:35:30] <Loetmichel2> the pcb inside is floating in any direction by about 0,2mm
[11:36:16] <Loetmichel2> so that there ISNT any force on the soldering joints
[11:36:23] <SpeedEvil> I mean if you support the edges, then stand on it
[11:37:14] <ssi> morn
[11:37:21] <SpeedEvil> ing ing ing
[11:37:32] <Loetmichel2> i have a few sticks that i simply shrinked into shrink tube when the plastic shell gave up.
[11:37:53] <Loetmichel2> that works well for short sticks but not so well for longer ones like thiese
[11:37:55] <Loetmichel2> these
[11:37:55] <ssi> ReadError: metal supermarket in marietta is your best bet
[11:38:01] <ssi> especially if you don't want huge quantity
[11:38:02] <Loetmichel2> to much forces
[11:38:52] <Loetmichel2> but i think i'll make some out of 4mm aluminium and drill an 1mm hole where the access led is. THAT should be indestructible
[11:38:59] <Loetmichel2> also i can make some caps then
[12:15:02] <Tom_itx> ReadError, if you're willing to travel, here's a sampling of what is available here: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/stock_index.php
[12:21:04] <maxcnc> hi all
[12:21:16] <maxcnc> a nice day in Germany no Rain
[12:24:56] <maxcnc> im so done for today lost a part after 1hr plasma in the last 4 gcode lanes Brrrr
[12:25:45] <maxcnc> im off gn8
[12:38:54] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:42:55] <Encapsulation> hi
[12:43:00] <Encapsulation> =D
[12:43:42] <pink_vampire> http://community.woodmagazine.com/t5/Info-Sharing/How-to-build-an-Easy-Shop-Table-Instructions-amp-Pictures/td-p/103272
[12:43:56] <pink_vampire> hi Encapsulation
[13:11:40] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPPxJ3CMvHw
[13:29:15] <Encapsulation> http://makewealthhistory.org/2014/09/27/building-of-the-week-wikihouse/
[13:37:10] <TurBoss> Hi
[13:37:45] <TurBoss> I need to run 2 motors for the same axis but I was told that i need to use joints_axes branch
[13:38:02] <TurBoss> joints_axes12 has gentrivkins examples
[13:38:09] <TurBoss> but 13 only trivkins
[13:39:57] <TurBoss> I'm confussed :S
[13:39:58] <TurBoss> :P
[13:40:28] <TurBoss> the 2 motors run in the same position
[13:40:56] <TurBoss> so 0-1200 for one and 0-1200 for the other one
[13:41:09] <TurBoss> i'm planning to use 6i25+7i77
[13:54:49] <Encapsulation> TurBoss, channel is dead during day, evening someone can help if not b4
[13:57:07] <TurBoss> ty
[13:57:23] <TurBoss> will try later
[14:03:16] <Encapsulation> I need a cnc kit or machine with 4" z clearance 10"x 10"y travel capable of basic pcbs and clean engraving and routing of 2-4mm thick al panels
[14:03:39] <Encapsulation> the issue is the z clearance, the super cheap ebay machines only have 70mm max
[14:06:41] <cpresser> TurBoss: you dont need JA branch. just use gantrykins
[14:07:37] <cpresser> TurBoss: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/gantrykins.9.html
[14:08:55] <PCW> if you dont need gantry homing just use trivkins and drive both axis from the same command
[14:10:55] <PCW> or try trivkins + the new gantry comp
[14:11:19] <TurBoss> ohhhmmmm
[14:11:21] <TurBoss> :D
[14:12:29] <TurBoss> PCW garty homing?
[14:12:36] <TurBoss> *gantry
[14:17:33] <unfy> encapsulation: if you're a DIY kind of guy, building your own can be good fun (yes, i'm the process of doing so...)
[14:19:11] <PCW> yes as far as I know only the gantry comp really does gantry homing correctly (never increase racking)
[14:21:05] <TurBoss> well i don't hacve the machine yet but i'm collecting information
[14:21:16] <TurBoss> ty
[14:33:00] <miss0r> yay - machine leveled. all axis working and assaigned the way they should. and my post processor is almost working.
[14:33:16] <miss0r> *note to self* never again try to write a mastercam post processor
[14:33:45] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:36:49] <pink_vampire> hi,
[14:37:22] <pink_vampire> I want to build small table with a shelf underneath
[14:37:32] <miss0r> ... don't we all ;)
[14:37:36] <djdelorie> out of aluminum?
[14:37:40] <pink_vampire> no..
[14:37:44] <pink_vampire> wood,
[14:37:44] <djdelorie> foam?
[14:37:46] <_methods> out of fingernails
[14:37:48] <miss0r> styrofoam? :)
[14:37:55] <pink_vampire> 2 by 3 material.
[14:38:30] <djdelorie> I've built a few of those. Specs?
[14:38:36] <pink_vampire> the top plate should be 69cm X 48 cm
[14:38:56] <pink_vampire> hight 77 cm
[14:40:32] <djdelorie> Is your 2x3 cm or inches?
[14:41:04] <enleth> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heidenhain-TNC-145-CS-with-monitor-/231899255791?hash=item35fe45d3ef:g:GakAAOSwZQxW4jAi - I'd buy that to upgrade the 131 I have now if I had spare $500
[14:41:29] <pink_vampire> http://www.lowes.com/pd_1030-10129-7407-96___?productId=1000016683&Ns=p_product_price|0&pl=1&Ntt=stud
[14:42:09] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: ^
[14:42:15] <enleth> fitting mesa will take some time, meanwhile I've gotten to like the TNC
[14:42:33] <djdelorie> do you have pocket screw tools?
[14:42:43] <pink_vampire> no.
[14:42:47] <pink_vampire> have the G0704
[14:43:28] <djdelorie> hold on, searching for a link...
[14:43:48] <pink_vampire> It need to hold 25KG
[14:44:11] <pink_vampire> about 50 lbs
[14:45:01] <djdelorie> http://macdotcnc.blogspot.com/2014/06/cnc-joinery-i.html
[14:45:35] <djdelorie> the basic pattern is like this: http://www.delorie.com/wood/projects/craft-table/table.jpg
[14:46:01] <djdelorie> start with four legs, join in the four aprons (eight including the second shelf), place top and shelf on those
[14:46:02] <Encapsulation> unfy, I thought about that but it doesnt seem very economically viable and I'm also short on time
[14:46:33] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: I want to be able to take it apart..
[14:46:42] <djdelorie> then don't use glue :-)
[14:46:48] <pink_vampire> so no glue, just screws
[14:46:53] <djdelorie> no screws either
[14:46:56] <archivist> and expect it to wabble
[14:47:08] <archivist> taper pegs
[14:47:21] <pink_vampire> I need id stable..
[14:47:24] <pink_vampire> it*
[14:47:45] <djdelorie> use some 1x4 for the aprons to stiffen the legs, use cnc joinery to inlay them into the legs, and a few wood screws into those to keep them "in"
[14:48:01] <djdelorie> but if the fit is snug enough you won't need the screws
[14:48:45] <djdelorie> if you want to just use screws, either get a pocket screw setup or expect an ugly table :-)
[14:48:59] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: ugly is fine.
[14:49:11] <djdelorie> screw-only alternate: bevel the aprons 45 degrees and screw them to the outer faces of the four legs
[14:49:17] <pink_vampire> just for holding the anodize stuff..
[14:49:49] <djdelorie> for each shelf, two 1x4's screwed to the *inside* faces, supporting the shelf
[14:50:11] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure how to do it.
[14:50:33] <djdelorie> would you like a picture?
[14:50:50] <pink_vampire> let me to make a 3d model
[14:54:16] <unfy> Encapsulation: ah. time would prolly be the biggest constraint. economical is ... i dunno how much i have into my simple machine heh. sadly, i don't have any suggestions on cheap machines other than ebay/aliexpress/banggood and praying the one you find within budget & size isn't complete crap (for the light work you're describing they *should* be fine)
[14:54:53] <unfy> and i have no idea if the shapeoko stuff is valid for you or not, i don't think it's got the z travel you were asking for
[14:55:10] <Encapsulation> I looked into it a bitm, was concerned about the z yeah
[14:55:13] <Encapsulation> also the z design
[14:55:24] <Encapsulation> the problemw ith the cheap ebay machines is most dont have the clearance
[14:55:28] <Encapsulation> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRO-1-5KW-3-AXIS-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-MACHINE-DRILLING-MILLING-6040-USA-/331787662821?hash=item4d4015f5e5:g:hpwAAOSwAKxWakwH
[14:55:29] <Encapsulation> this does
[14:55:40] <Encapsulation> but I'm worried about 1. the paint and 2. the white control box
[14:55:47] <Encapsulation> I only knopw the black box is ok, this white box is a mystery
[14:55:54] <Encapsulation> blue box sucks
[14:56:31] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/tmp/simple-table.html
[14:58:53] <unfy> box looks like it should have the TB6560 (ebay search that and you'll understand), and some form of VFD driver (an ebay search for 'cnc spindle' should show you a few different vfd controller boards)
[14:59:55] <Encapsulation> sounds lioke that board sucks
[15:00:18] <Encapsulation> more research needed
[15:00:28] <unfy> the water cooling is.... i don't see any mention of a pump for it or anything
[15:00:40] <Loetmichel2> [evil scientist laughter] *MUHAHAHA* ITS ALIVE! [/evil scientist laughter] I have just resurrected my Dell streak 5 smartphone... that sat 2 years on the balcony plugged in and serving as an IPcam... and had a bootloop for tha last six months. The battery has doubled in volume tho, and quartered its capacity. A "reset to factory" did the trick tho to resurrect it -> http://www.cyrom.org/pal
[15:00:40] <Loetmichel2> bum/main.php?g2_itemId=16227
[15:00:42] <unfy> the tb6560 is... well... at least it's cheap to replace heh
[15:01:18] <Encapsulation> I'm not the only one using old smartphones as ipcams xD
[15:01:29] <unfy> an ex coworker was as well heh
[15:01:45] <Encapsulation> unfy, problem is I'd essentially be paying for it. If Iwanted to upgrade it I may as well go for the better machine first
[15:02:20] <Encapsulation> 1300 vs 2500 for the omio x6-2200l and then I get 2.2kw spindle, flat hiwin linear rails, handheld remote, usb (which I like), AND a control box that is good to go
[15:02:29] <Encapsulation> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[15:03:41] <Encapsulation> seems like the increased cost is worth it, then I get tempted to spend the same price on a smaller machine 12x30x4" raptor mini (prices not listed on page): http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[15:03:54] <Encapsulation> becauyse I know its probably better quality even iof a smnaller workspace
[15:03:59] <Encapsulation> then I get a DANGEROUS temptation
[15:04:01] <Encapsulation> to just say fuck itg
[15:04:18] <_methods> this guy just won't quit
[15:04:23] <Encapsulation> and spend $4000 on the 25x30"x7" work area xzero raptor
[15:04:23] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: I did basic model
[15:04:25] <Loetmichel2> unfy: the TB6560 is perfectly viable as a stepper controller
[15:04:35] <Encapsulation> Loetmichel2, you use TB6560 with good results?
[15:04:58] <Loetmichel2> ... as long as you NEVER have any unsure contact in the motor wires and stay away from its maximum voltage by at tleast 5 V
[15:05:07] <Loetmichel2> Encapsulation: yes
[15:05:17] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/vz4zelJ.png
[15:05:18] <Loetmichel2> i've blown about 10 or so
[15:05:20] <unfy> loet: i'm aware of that. and i'm also aware of some of it's limitations ... and the benefit that it's only like $50-$60 to replace.
[15:05:40] <Loetmichel2> but once you get your machine "settled" and everything wired permanently they live forever
[15:05:45] <pink_vampire> what do you think about it?
[15:06:04] <djdelorie> if your cnc can cut rectangular holes in the bottom shelf so it slides on the legs, sure
[15:06:07] <Loetmichel2> unfy its more like about $5 to replace the driver
[15:06:13] <Loetmichel2> if you can solder
[15:06:24] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: this is the easy part..
[15:07:00] <unfy> i suppose that's viable if it's just that one chip that blows. usually i fear a power / inductive spike like that taking out far more heh
[15:07:09] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure how to make the square frame
[15:07:19] <djdelorie> having the aprons butt against the legs results in a stiffer table than aprons screwed onto the faces, because the torque is spread over a longer distance
[15:07:25] <djdelorie> did you see the picture I posted for you?
[15:07:26] <unfy> (note, i'm fine with cheap gear if it's being used within it's "range")
[15:07:28] <Loetmichel2> unfy: like this?-> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12554&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[15:08:18] <unfy> bubbly traces,yum yum
[15:08:23] <Loetmichel2> ... wanted to "jumpstart" a 32V2A smps that was too small for the 4 steppers... tried to wire two 12V 7A AGM batteries in parallel... accidentally swithced red and black ;)
[15:08:48] <Encapsulation> oops xD
[15:10:10] <Loetmichel2> all 4 driver chips instantly went "volcano"
[15:10:11] <Loetmichel2> ;-)
[15:10:26] <unfy> Encapsulation: you will always have price vs feature debate in the machine you go for. if money is a concern and the 2200 is within your price range - i see zero reason why you ever have issues with the machine
[15:11:33] <unfy> if it's beyond your price range, the $1200 ebay thing is possibly viable. round rails is kinda 'hmmm' - but it is at least ball screw and a spindle that will more than cover your task. I'd ask the seller about the water cooling / pump stuff first though
[15:18:13] <Encapsulation> I have my own pump
[15:18:20] <Encapsulation> my main concern was the control box, sounds like it might be ok
[15:19:06] <Encapsulation> I like to get the most for my money and avoid diminishing returns, so if the x-6 is only 10% better, it's not worth it to me. and if the raptor is only 20% beyond 6040, probably not worth 3x the price
[15:19:14] <unfy> see if you can find other VFD controllers on ebay that have the same face plate as what's in the pic and cross reference from there :D
[15:19:21] <Encapsulation> good idea
[15:20:02] <Encapsulation> http://www.workshopaddict.com/forum/attachments/machining-cnc-manual/13041d1424908072-30x60-cnc-router-assembly-build-dsc_0777.jpg
[15:20:25] <Encapsulation> unfy, do you think these raptor machines are that much better than the omio x6-2200l?
[15:20:44] <Encapsulation> omio x6-2200l 14x21x5" cutting area for $2500 shipped
[15:20:54] <_methods> changing your name to Encapsulation doesn't mean we aren't sick of the same questions over and over still
[15:20:54] <unfy> the linear glide rails of the x6 will be less hassle than the round rails in the ebay machine. the round ones need to have a few set screws tightend on the bearings themself to get them snug and such
[15:21:09] <Encapsulation> xzero raptor 12x30x5" is $2500 all said and done as well
[15:21:31] <unfy> Encapsulation: no opinion personally
[15:21:32] <Encapsulation> and a whopping $3800 for 25x30x7"
[15:22:23] <Encapsulation> I think its worth the extra for the omio over the ebay
[15:22:29] <Encapsulation> but its not as clear with the omio vs raptor
[15:22:32] <_methods> then buy it you moron
[15:22:36] <_methods> and STFU
[15:22:39] <Encapsulation> _methods,
[15:22:44] <Encapsulation> name the time and the place, or cut the shit
[15:22:47] <Encapsulation> I'm sick of your bitching
[15:22:53] <_methods> lol
[15:22:53] <Encapsulation> you add nothing with your waste of spacxe comments
[15:23:01] <_methods> you're sick of me.......
[15:23:04] <Encapsulation> yes
[15:23:10] <Encapsulation> all you do is talk shit and spam
[15:23:13] <Encapsulation> I'm having a discussion with someone
[15:23:16] <_methods> no
[15:23:18] <Encapsulation> and you interrupt it with that bullshit
[15:23:20] <Encapsulation> you add NOTHING
[15:23:21] <_methods> no
[15:23:24] <Encapsulation> you interfere with conversation
[15:23:29] <Encapsulation> you interfere with progress
[15:23:31] <_methods> there is no conversation clown
[15:23:37] <_methods> there is no progress
[15:23:40] <_methods> you ask the same shit over and over
[15:23:42] <Encapsulation> because of your shit
[15:23:48] <Encapsulation> and I've heard enough of it
[15:23:51] <_methods> so leave
[15:23:56] <Encapsulation> that would be you
[15:24:01] <Encapsulation> I'm here having a legitimate discussion
[15:24:03] <_methods> no
[15:24:03] <Encapsulation> and you interrupt it
[15:24:05] <_methods> no
[15:24:05] <Encapsulation> how dare you
[15:24:05] <_methods> no
[15:24:10] <Encapsulation> you subhuman trash
[15:24:12] <_methods> lol
[15:24:17] <Encapsulation> oh I'm serious
[15:24:21] <Encapsulation> dont interrupt me again
[15:24:23] <_methods> i'm sure
[15:24:24] <Encapsulation> you fucking pleb
[15:24:34] <_methods> says the guy who's wife left him
[15:24:40] <Encapsulation> she wasnt my wife
[15:24:42] <Encapsulation> she was a whore
[15:24:45] <_methods> hahahha
[15:25:05] <Encapsulation> indeed
[15:25:35] <_methods> you're going to get booted if you keep this up
[15:25:40] <Encapsulation> and?
[15:25:46] <Encapsulation> I have 3 vps
[15:25:49] <Encapsulation> its no problem
[15:26:03] <Encapsulation> in fact, youll never even know who I am, untuil you realize ;)
[15:26:05] <_methods> so you're gonna keep comin in here and trolling then
[15:26:21] <Encapsulation> I'llk have as many productive discussions as it takes until my research is complete
[15:26:35] <_methods> so you do plan to keep trolling the room then
[15:26:40] <Encapsulation> I learned lots of new information in the last hour
[15:26:46] <Encapsulation> none of it came from you
[15:27:11] <djdelorie> will the two of you please take this to a private channel. The rest of us don't care
[15:29:03] <_methods> this isn't a private thing
[15:30:32] <djdelorie> remember that this is the linuxcnc channel, not the trash-talk-each-other channel
[15:30:43] <_methods> this isn't trash talk
[15:30:47] <Encapsulation> unfy, thanks for the advice so far. I'll consider the points you have made
[15:30:49] <_methods> i told him to stop with the questioning
[15:30:58] <_methods> this has been going of for 3 weeks now
[15:32:02] <djdelorie> and you called him a moron and a clown, which is totally uncalled for
[15:32:16] * unfy facepalms
[15:33:37] <_methods> someone that asks the same question over and over for 3 weeks very much fits the definition of moron
[15:33:42] <djdelorie> and it's been going on for less than 2 weeks so far
[15:33:47] <_methods> i see no problem with referring to him as a moron
[15:33:59] <Encapsulation> of course you dont, you've been trolling since day 1
[15:34:33] <Encapsulation> and if you honestly believe its the same question, then you really need help.
[15:34:42] <unfy> 19-20 years on, good to see irc hasn't changed much :D
[15:34:45] <Encapsulation> any non-troll can see I'm legitimately trying to come to a conclusion here
[15:34:52] <Encapsulation> unfy, xD
[15:35:03] <Encapsulation> only 17 for me and I guess its always been this way
[15:36:47] <unfy> dj: gotta ask, did you draw the simple table thing right then and upload it btw ?
[15:36:50] <Lowridah> '
[15:41:48] <Loetmichel2> Encapsulation: that attitude is not really making it easy for me to help you any more.
[15:42:05] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://www.fearofstuff.com/humans/fear-of-making-decisions/
[15:42:11] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/decidophobia/symptoms/
[15:42:12] <_methods> indeed
[15:42:24] <Encapsulation> Channel troll count increased to 2
[15:42:27] <Loetmichel2> You know, we have a somewhat filthy proverb in germany... "wer ficken will muss freundlich sein"...
[15:42:29] <_methods> and you're right djdelorie it's not been 3 full weeks
[15:42:32] <_methods> just 1 day short
[15:42:36] <Loetmichel2> translate that yourself please ;)
[15:42:42] <_methods> he started on the 3-24-16
[15:42:47] <_methods> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc/2016-03-24.html
[15:42:52] <_methods> first he was inheritance
[15:42:54] <CaptHindsight> it's like the alcoholic or addict that is still in denial
[15:42:56] <_methods> then polymorphism
[15:43:02] <_methods> now he's encapsulation
[15:43:07] <Encapsulation> 3 tenets of OOP
[15:43:24] <djdelorie> unfy: paper and pen, then snapshot with a webcam. It's fastest.
[15:43:25] <_methods> 3 tenets of stupid
[15:43:29] <Encapsulation> xD
[15:43:35] <Encapsulation> as I said, a simple troll
[15:44:14] <CaptHindsight> I don' think that you know what a troll is
[15:44:22] <_methods> you ask the same question for 20 days and i'm to troll
[15:44:33] <Encapsulation> you're continuing to troll right now
[15:44:34] <djdelorie> _methods: 3-24 was 13 days ago, not 20
[15:44:36] <Encapsulation> as is capricorn_1
[15:44:38] <Encapsulation> CaptHindsight,
[15:44:51] <Encapsulation> and dj is correct about how long its been
[15:44:53] <CaptHindsight> Encapsulation: it's not trolling, it's pointing out a disorder
[15:44:59] <Encapsulation> its trolling.
[15:45:13] <CaptHindsight> you must be confused
[15:45:31] <Encapsulation> in fact
[15:45:33] <CaptHindsight> a disorder is not trolling either
[15:45:36] <Encapsulation> almost everything you say is utter nonsense
[15:45:40] <Encapsulation> lol
[15:45:45] <Encapsulation> I've been taking note
[15:45:51] <Encapsulation> there is sometimes a shred of useful information
[15:45:53] <Encapsulation> or seriousness
[15:46:01] <CaptHindsight> it's an illness, that you can get help for
[15:46:06] <Encapsulation> but its mostly jjust trash
[15:46:10] <unfy> dj: settle your whipping problem ?
[15:46:12] <Encapsulation> you should work on that
[15:46:17] <Encapsulation> so you can be a better person
[15:46:22] <pink_vampire> http://www.crateandbarrel.com/all-clad-asparagus-pot/s639351?b=1&a=1552&campaignid=206595536&adgroupid=13838805536&targetid=pla-76746415674&adpos=1o2&creative=44897458376&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CPW1vofr-ssCFcokhgodD5wGbA
[15:46:29] <djdelorie> unfy: no, I'll live with it. I just keep the IPS below the threshold
[15:46:37] <Encapsulation> THAT is a nice asparagus pot
[15:47:03] <djdelorie> "People who bought this item also bought"... I'm thinking "asparagus"
[15:47:05] <pink_vampire> no!
[15:47:10] <CaptHindsight> Encapsulation: http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/decidophobia/online-test/
[15:47:19] <CaptHindsight> it is treatable
[15:47:19] <pink_vampire> that anodize pot
[15:47:27] <Encapsulation> more spam, zzz
[15:48:37] <pink_vampire> I need to get a permission from my wife..
[15:48:42] <Encapsulation> LOL
[15:48:50] <CaptHindsight> Encapsulation: there's help out there
[15:48:56] <Encapsulation> CaptHindsight, diaf
[15:49:22] <pink_vampire> Encapsulation: I'm the wife..
[15:49:35] <DaViruz> CaptHindsight: i'm trying to take the test but i can't decide on the answers..
[15:49:36] <DaViruz> :)
[15:49:37] <CaptHindsight> so shame in getting help
[15:49:42] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire, well then that should be no problem!
[15:49:43] <Encapsulation> lol
[15:49:46] <CaptHindsight> so/no
[15:50:11] <Encapsulation> you're a poor troll
[15:50:14] <Encapsulation> I've met much better
[15:50:31] <pink_vampire> :(:
[15:50:48] <Encapsulation> take that cloak off a second CaptHindsight
[15:50:49] <unfy> pink: bipolar emote ?
[15:50:52] <Encapsulation> you dont need it
[15:50:54] <Encapsulation> ;)
[15:51:10] <CaptHindsight> a troll is not defined as someone that you disagree with
[15:52:04] <unfy> anyway, i go back to working on this middle man protocol handler daemon thing here at work. gl.
[15:52:08] <Encapsulation> gl unfy
[15:52:12] <Encapsulation> thanks again!
[15:55:37] <pink_vampire> for boiling the part I need narrow and toll pot, or something like a saute?
[15:55:50] <pink_vampire> http://bestcookwarefinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/stainless-steel-saute-pan.jpg
[15:56:09] <pink_vampire> vs
[15:56:11] <pink_vampire> http://www.chefcentral.com/rsvp-endurance-asparagus-steamer.html?utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=search&utm_campaign=Shopping+Campaign&gclid=CPLDx4_s-ssCFdhahgodHCAI2g
[15:56:27] <Encapsulation> cant you find something at tyhe dollar store
[15:56:34] <Encapsulation> maybe not
[15:56:36] <Encapsulation> might be all plastic
[15:56:49] <Encapsulation> go to marshalls or tjmaxx
[15:57:00] <Encapsulation> or better yet walmart if its just for anodizing
[15:57:10] <pink_vampire> I can't use plastic for the boiling part.
[15:57:18] <pink_vampire> I know...
[15:57:23] <pink_vampire> but what shape?
[15:57:53] <Encapsulation> I dont see why it would matter if you can submerge it and bring the water to a boil
[15:58:12] <pink_vampire> narrow and toll, or low and wide?
[15:58:24] <Encapsulation> depends on your part thickness perhaps
[15:58:34] <pink_vampire> plate
[15:58:49] <Encapsulation> truth be told I dont know
[15:58:53] <Encapsulation> CaptHindsight, is the expert on this
[15:58:57] <djdelorie> low and wide if you can use two burners to heat it up faster
[15:59:11] <Encapsulation> dj makes a good point
[15:59:22] <Encapsulation> how many parts do you have?
[15:59:26] <pink_vampire> one
[15:59:41] <Encapsulation> doesnt seem like time matters much then
[15:59:55] <pink_vampire> the anodize containers are narrow and tall
[16:00:13] <Encapsulation> deeper submersion
[16:00:17] <Encapsulation> less splashing or overflow chance perhaps
[16:00:19] <Encapsulation> not sure
[16:00:34] <Encapsulation> seems like there is no one answer, its going to depend on your specific needs
[16:02:51] <XXCoder> Encapsulation: yeah some is just art
[16:03:07] <CaptHindsight> have you noticed this nut in the channel that keeps changing his nick?
[16:03:37] <Encapsulation> I've noticed a little bitch desperate to troll
[16:04:05] <XXCoder> his, bitch. decide on gender man heh
[16:04:49] <Encapsulation> ...
[16:04:54] <Encapsulation> that statement made no sense
[16:04:59] <Encapsulation> my point stands
[16:05:11] <Encapsulation> you only make yourself look bad with that shit CaptHindsight
[16:05:27] <Encapsulation> when there is a totally unrelated discussion about anodizing occuring and you continue to troll
[16:05:39] <XXCoder> ah capt was talking about you
[16:06:07] <Encapsulation> indeed
[16:06:09] <Encapsulation> mostly all he does
[16:06:35] <XXCoder> dunno what happened before so I dont care
[16:06:56] <Encapsulation> fair enough
[16:08:39] <Encapsulation> have you seen this guide pink_vampire https://gordsgarage.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/the-full-monty-part-2/
[16:09:10] <Encapsulation> his results look quite nice
[16:09:12] <Encapsulation> perhaps just do what he does
[16:09:21] -!- Encapsulation was kicked from #linuxcnc by Jymmm!~jymmm@unaffiliated/jymmm [Please refrain from annoying or antagonizing the channel]
[16:09:38] <Encapsulation> what?
[16:09:47] <Jymmm> Encapsulation Please refrain from annoying or antagonizing the channel
[16:09:56] <Encapsulation> I will continue to do so as I have been
[16:10:00] <Encapsulation> (refrain from such things)
[16:10:18] <Encapsulation> was I kicked for the link?
[16:10:25] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire, has been trying to figfure out boiling for anodize
[16:13:08] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: he is fine
[16:13:21] <pink_vampire> he help me with my anodize setup.
[16:14:41] <pink_vampire> sorry that I've disappeared, I look at my kitchen for nice pot.
[16:15:01] <djdelorie> for *a* nice pot
[16:15:15] <jdh> some
[16:16:24] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: sorry that I've disappeared, I look at my kitchen for a nice pot.
[16:16:32] <Encapsulation> did you find one?
[16:16:51] <pink_vampire> yeah..
[16:17:18] <pink_vampire> buy only one with non stick
[16:18:04] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: go to dollar store
[16:18:09] <XXCoder> theres plenty of bins you can use
[16:18:20] <pink_vampire> I know
[16:18:36] <XXCoder> capt I think used cooler bucket for his anadozingf
[16:20:11] <pink_vampire> it's too big for what I need
[16:20:18] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/DduFsOW.png
[16:21:16] <pink_vampire> one the empty side I want to put the electric stove with the pot
[16:21:33] <XXCoder> would crockpot work I wonder heh
[16:22:08] <pink_vampire> I have a crockpot (I hate to cook in it)
[16:22:25] <XXCoder> go to value vallage or something
[16:22:27] <pink_vampire> but it's not get to boiling,,
[16:22:30] <XXCoder> I bought a small one for 8 bucks
[16:23:15] <pink_vampire> http://www.target.com/p/elite-cuisine-single-cast-electric-burner-hot-plate-in-black/-/A-49124276?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&CPNG=&adgroup=&LID=0pgs&network=g&device=c&location=9004311&gclid=CMn3xKzz-ssCFYwkhgodvsAJbw
[16:23:43] <pink_vampire> I have something like that..
[16:24:10] <XXCoder> value village and stores like that usually has cheap pots
[16:24:31] <XXCoder> I dont recommand mixing kitchen and shop :)
[16:24:46] <pink_vampire> calphalon make very nice stuff
[16:25:38] <pink_vampire> worst case scenario I will get Pink / Blue / Red / colored food
[16:26:33] <pink_vampire> anyway the dye is not that toxic
[16:27:24] <XXCoder> well later all
[16:27:45] <Encapsulation> ttyl
[16:27:48] <pink_vampire> engrave...
[16:29:59] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnetic-Stir-Plate-/272178371744?hash=item3f5f185ca0:g:IV0AAOSwAuNW7cY3
[16:30:05] <pink_vampire> that cute
[16:32:15] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0wRgdxSpmw
[16:32:16] <Encapsulation> =D
[16:32:32] <Deejay> gn8
[16:32:38] <Encapsulation> gn
[16:32:41] <pink_vampire> I know
[16:32:55] <Encapsulation> ok
[16:33:19] <pink_vampire> but for 58$ you get it work fine
[16:33:29] <Encapsulation> true 58 is a cheap price really
[16:33:41] <Encapsulation> I'll bbl, going to drink beer now
[16:34:12] <pink_vampire> I never drink alcohol.
[16:46:59] <pink_vampire> any idea for a filter for the sodium bisulfite?
[16:48:28] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[16:52:53] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: ?
[16:52:59] <djdelorie> no idea
[16:53:48] <pink_vampire> fuel / oil filter will work?
[17:16:12] <unfy> oh my god
[17:16:14] <unfy> the rage is real
[17:16:57] <unfy> i don't use clicky linux very much. i make a shell script and put it in the desktop folder. i can see it on the desktop in ubuntu
[17:17:09] <unfy> i can't seem to make ubuntu run it via clicky stuff
[17:17:49] <unfy> double click opents it in a window, right click doesn't show anything meaningful, using the search interface thing also only lets me edit it... etc
[17:17:51] <unfy> my rage is real
[17:18:05] <enleth> >linux >desktop >clicking
[17:18:08] <enleth> doing it wrong
[17:19:58] <unfy> i usually avoid X at all times, but in this instance, i have to work within graphical environment and make things graphic user friendly
[17:38:06] <enleth> unfy: dumb question: does the script have +x set?
[17:39:39] <unfy> yeah, it did. it's a nautilus file manager window manager whatever the fuck thing it is ... setting
[17:39:50] <unfy> to open them in an editor instead of running them etc
[17:40:05] <unfy> i found setting, and put 3 fingers into it until it cooperated
[17:40:14] * unfy 's still outright pissed about this
[17:40:24] <unfy> i understand that from a security / safety stand point... but my god
[17:45:14] <TurBoss> Hi
[17:45:29] <TurBoss> I'm trying to open a gscreen glade file
[17:45:36] <TurBoss> but i'm getting an error
[17:45:48] <TurBoss> gladevcp not abailable
[17:46:55] <TurBoss> no catalog
[17:48:18] <JT-Shop> read the first part of the gladevcp manual about requirments
[17:48:47] <TurBoss> ok ty
[17:48:55] <TurBoss> sry
[17:49:16] <JT-Shop> If your running newer than Ubuntu 10.04 you have to do something special to open a gladevcp file
[17:50:21] <TurBoss> i'm on 15.10 simulator 2.8.0 pre
[17:50:36] <JT-Shop> you will need to install the older glade
[17:50:39] <TurBoss> this is my desktop
[17:50:45] <TurBoss> my machine runs 12.04
[17:50:57] <TurBoss> i'll investigate
[17:53:38] <TurBoss> gscreen is not gtk3 based?
[17:53:41] <TurBoss> or i'm wrong
[17:54:54] <TurBoss> so
[17:55:25] <TurBoss> what is more modern gui? pyvcp or gscreen or i'm confussing thing?
[17:55:25] <TurBoss> xD
[18:04:02] <JT-Shop> pyvcp is a virtual control panel, gscreen is a GUI
[18:04:21] <JT-Shop> it's not the gui that's not modern it's upgrade hell from glade lol
[18:05:02] <TurBoss> ok ty
[18:21:51] <TurBoss> gn
[18:36:47] <andypugh> OK, so, why do I _sometimes_ get “unknown operation beginning with e” when running this G-code subroutine? http://www.pastebin.ca/3455566
[18:39:05] <andypugh> In other news, a chap I know (LinuxCNC user) is pretty chuffed with this part he just made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlPWFT73Qns
[18:53:26] <alex4nder> hey
[18:57:13] <andypugh> Hi
[18:57:28] <Duc> hello
[19:04:20] * JT-Shop wonders what chuffed means..
[19:07:16] <ssi> it's brit for "pleasantly satisfied"
[19:07:44] <JT-Shop> I would be too, it's nice looking
[19:07:52] <unfy> lies, it's a dirty sexual maneuver j/k
[19:11:17] <alex4nder> I'm about to start testing with 4.4.0-1-rt-amd64 from debian testing.. anyone know of any gotchas with that prebuilt kernel?
[19:12:50] <ssi> 4.4?
[19:12:53] <ssi> is that a kernel version?
[19:13:01] <alex4nder> yes, linux
[19:13:02] * ssi feels old holy shit
[19:13:50] <JT-Shop> yea, there seems to be some issues with latency with 4.4.x
[19:15:54] <CaptHindsight> alex4nder: what hardware will you be testing it on?
[19:16:50] <alex4nder> CaptHindsight: celeron 3205U and a mesa 7i76e
[19:18:11] <alex4nder> hmm, ok
[19:18:12] <CaptHindsight> alex4nder: lettuce know if there are any problems
[19:18:24] <alex4nder> will do
[19:20:01] <CaptHindsight> better than beer goggles http://news.softpedia.com/news/samsung-receives-patent-for-smart-contact-lens-502652.shtml
[20:25:34] <alex4nder> yah,.. latency definitely seems to be worse with with 4.40-1-rt kernel
[20:25:46] <alex4nder> 36k servo, 57k base
[20:26:31] <alex4nder> JT-Shop: do you have a recommendation on a different preempt_rt version?
[21:08:15] <CaptHindsight> alex4nder: why preempt_rt vs RTAI?
[21:11:11] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EAMCqH31Vo Printable Hydraulic Robots
[21:13:11] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: That's kinda cool
[21:17:14] <CaptHindsight> they could do more if they used more than FDM
[21:27:56] <alex4nder> CaptHindsight: I started doing this build with preempt_rt so that I could try to follow along with the 'mainstream' RT work done in the kernel
[21:28:18] <alex4nder> and spend more time with RT code in userspace
[21:32:06] <CaptHindsight> alex4nder: well they keep messing with GPU drivers in the kernel, mode settings etc
[21:32:18] <alex4nder> yah
[21:32:41] <CaptHindsight> it's a miracle if it works at all
[21:32:42] <alex4nder> I'm ok spending a couple hours getting the latency numbers someplace reasonable
[21:33:01] <alex4nder> I'm also fine going back to RTAI if it ends up being necessary
[21:38:41] <Duc> Stupid question: How does LCNC convert raw encoder counts to encoder scale?
[21:39:50] <Duc> I have a rotary table that is being a pain with the correct scale and the servo pack is a little weird for the coding options so I trying to figure out the scale using the raw counts and measuring when the table has gone a complete 360 degrees
[21:50:32] <archivist> Duc, there is also the wrapped rotary mode
[21:50:51] <Duc> archivist: what do you mean?
[21:51:49] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WrappedRotaryAxes
[21:53:49] <Duc> ok so add the code at the begining of the Hal to avoid the limit on amount of rotations
[21:55:00] <archivist> what limit?
[21:55:36] <Duc> so I took down some date for the raw counts while completing one full rev of the rotary. I used a dial indicator to verify the complete rotation by measure a groove to perfect flatness
[21:56:02] <Duc> thought normally the rotary can only rotate 9999 times depending on the INI file
[21:57:36] <archivist> make that ini file number somewhat bigger 9999999999999
[21:58:12] <archivist> it is an arbitary limit in most cases
[21:59:04] <Duc> first measurement was a 7.5706 degrees witha raw count = -304,013 and -341.4294 degrees raw counts was 5,593,918. Math wise the display went 349 degrees but went 360 in reality. Total raw counts of 5,897,994, with a encoder scale of 16,384
[21:59:13] <archivist> although a stacked axis may be cabled thus be limited
[21:59:52] <Duc> No problem with cablining but I will put the wrapped axis and the larger file in the INI
[22:32:21] <bobo_> BeachBumPete: ok what is the latest Tan line report ? how has the sand pounding been going ? Report in !
[22:36:07] <BeachBumPete> bobo_ LOL whatchawannaknow?
[22:36:24] <BeachBumPete> I AM getting a bit of a tan
[22:37:11] <BeachBumPete> we somehow manage to make it to the beach almost every day despite trying to get the kids registered in school, buy them new clothes and uniforms for school, look for a house...etc.etc.etc.
[22:38:12] <bobo_> keep the tan stuff up and they won't let you back into Tenn.
[22:38:56] <BeachBumPete> I seriously doubt you will ever see me back in tennessee unless it is just visiting ;)
[22:40:11] <bobo_> Pete what is your latest feeling/thoughts about houses there
[22:40:16] <BeachBumPete> like today it sure was nice to have a zillion different stores and malls to go to looking for clothes etc. then we had lunch on the beach on hutchinson island
[22:41:27] <BeachBumPete> bobo_ well it looks like we will be paying a good bit more for something we can be happy with but this area is still a good bit cheaper than down south of here....it has changed a lot since we were here 15 years ago
[22:42:15] <BeachBumPete> it is actually much nicer in a lot of ways with a lot more new businesses and shops/hotels/restaurants and the community has added a ton of new parks and places to put your boat in the water etc.
[22:44:09] <BeachBumPete> right now I am trying to find my wife a suitable "Florida" car :D
[22:44:42] <bobo_> So where/what is the tax base to support it from ? or is it buy bonds with long term payoff
[22:45:06] <BeachBumPete> the car or the house LOL
[22:45:31] <bobo_> the growth
[22:45:53] <bobo_> area growth
[22:46:08] <BeachBumPete> there is a lot of business going on here WAY more than where I was in Tennessee
[22:46:30] <bobo_> good
[22:46:32] <BeachBumPete> there are lots of industrial areas/pockets of industrial buildings etc.
[22:47:08] <BeachBumPete> some are quite nice and have what appear to be a lot of traffic in and out. I will be hitting some of them up once we get into a house here
[22:47:22] <BeachBumPete> we looked at a decent one earlier today
[22:48:01] <BeachBumPete> it was an older CBS 3/2/2 that needed some fixing up and work in the kitchen but it was over 2k sq ft and in a nice location...
[22:48:18] <BeachBumPete> it DID have a nice big garage ;)
[22:49:03] <bobo_> taxes don't have to be a dirty word , gouging taxes -is a dirty word
[22:50:31] <BeachBumPete> well property taxes here are a bit higher than I was hoping.. some are in the 3k plus range yearly
[22:50:34] <bobo_> when you say 2k/sq foot - is that house and lot or just house ?
[22:50:47] <BeachBumPete> just house living space
[22:51:30] <BeachBumPete> there is no big lots here really unless you are way west of the I95 freeway
[22:51:55] <BeachBumPete> most homes are half or quarter acre with the occasional 1 acre lot
[22:51:58] <bobo_> wonder what building cost is per sq foot
[22:52:52] <BeachBumPete> dunno but we are considering having a new home built. it APPEARS the house we would build would probably be in the 1500 sq ft range which is a little smaller than we were hoping for. we may be better off to just find a good home to buy
[22:56:14] <bobo_> my luck is after I commit to buying then several better ones appear. hope your luck is better
[22:58:19] <BeachBumPete> http://imgur.com/xJNhNlI
[22:58:30] <BeachBumPete> this is the beach we ate lunch on this afternoon
[23:01:31] <floppydisk-ph1> Watch out for those snakes ☺
[23:01:48] <bobo_> Pete so that would be say 1300SqFt of living space and no basement
[23:02:02] <floppydisk-ph1> That beach looks sweet.
[23:02:24] <BeachBumPete> never saw any snakes but we saw quite a few sea turtles in the surf
[23:02:31] <BeachBumPete> bobo_ ?
[23:04:53] <bobo_> 1300SqFt of living space and no basement and the garage is not considered living space by banks an cities
[23:05:26] <BeachBumPete> no this house we looked at was 2082 sq ft and that does not include the garage
[23:05:33] <bobo_> say garage = 200SqFt
[23:06:07] <bobo_> ok
[23:07:11] <BeachBumPete> that's plenty big enough for us really, our old house was 1380 and was a less desirable setup inside.
[23:09:34] <BeachBumPete> Oh and there are generally never any basements in Florida
[23:11:13] <BeachBumPete> I can't wait until we find our new house so I can get a Florida resident Fishing license :D
[23:12:59] <BeachBumPete> http://imgur.com/0TsV8Zr We did manage to get the kayaks out on the St. lucie River the other day for a couple hours tho. that was fun...
[23:16:46] <bobo_> you can also become a finacle planner / realtor . as a friend has done. after becoming a resident
[23:17:34] <BeachBumPete> hehe I need someone to be my financial planner LOL... the real estate here is pretty cutthroat
[23:23:20] <bobo_> he lives in some gated golfing - goof place . asked him what else would he expect from those neighbors
[23:23:57] <BeachBumPete> there are a LOT of gated golfing goof places here ;_
[23:24:19] <bobo_> lock their gates