#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-01

[00:07:11] <archivist> witnit there are a few jig mills like that in form, I dont recognise that particular one
[00:08:42] <archivist> hauser, BCA, SIP
[00:11:06] <pink_vampire> hi
[00:12:51] <archivist> witnit it is a Hauser M1 http://www.lathes.co.uk/hauser/
[00:12:56] <pink_vampire> long nails and deburring - such a horrible combination
[00:13:42] <pink_vampire> any idea about a deburring bit?
[00:14:20] <archivist> witnit, and with that version of rotary http://www.lathes.co.uk/hauser/page7.html
[00:14:28] <pink_vampire> steel brush? chamfer bit?
[00:14:37] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lo7Gc8U-L._SL1000_.jpg
[00:14:54] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[00:15:51] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: http://cdn.topdogtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Best-Dog-Nail-Clippers-for-Home-Pet-Groomers.jpg
[00:16:15] <pink_vampire> OMG!! NO! NO! NO!
[00:25:13] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: I'll toss in a can of pink spray paint, how's that?
[00:26:32] <pink_vampire> i like clear shiny nail polish.
[00:26:49] <Jymmm> I meant for the dremel
[00:27:07] <Jymmm> or sawzall
[00:27:15] <Jymmm> or bandsaw
[00:27:29] <Jymmm> that will cut your nails for you.
[00:29:38] <pink_vampire> NO NO NO, NEVER MESS WITH MY NAILS!
[00:32:57] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ^
[00:33:21] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: hang on, I'm looking for my chainsaw
[00:39:25] <pink_vampire> my nails right now http://i.imgur.com/vgUMiFn.png
[00:39:31] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ^
[00:40:45] <Jymmm> Oh, I dont need a chainsaw for that, a 4" angle grinder with cutoff wheel will work just fine.
[00:41:00] <Jymmm> Hold stil now...
[00:41:04] <Jymmm> still*
[00:41:39] <pink_vampire> want to cry :(
[00:42:14] <Jymmm> just dont rub your eyes if you do
[00:44:51] <pink_vampire> sure, the tears can can dry my hand skin.
[00:49:43] <Jymmm> lol
[00:53:18] <pink_vampire> look how shiny is my skin.
[00:53:29] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/vgUMiFn.png
[00:54:40] <pink_vampire> and the perfect cuticles..
[00:55:31] <toastydeath> welp, that's terrifying.
[00:55:56] <pink_vampire> no!
[00:56:09] <pink_vampire> that's cuuuute
[00:57:49] <Jymmm> is there a face or body that goes with the nails?
[00:57:56] <SpeedEvil> Never understood long nails.
[00:58:34] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: They're for... um, nm.
[00:59:03] <pink_vampire> you can't see the beauty about them?
[00:59:59] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: i'm not sure what do you mean
[01:00:02] <Jymmm> 'natural' color long nails like that kind creep me out. White or any non transparent color is another thing.
[01:03:03] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: do you want me to paint them pink for you?
[01:03:46] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Pink? No.
[01:05:08] <pink_vampire> what is you favorite color?
[01:05:19] <tiwake> purple.
[01:05:45] <SpeedEvil> pink_vampire: I find them ugly.
[01:06:03] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: FM Red
[01:06:08] <SpeedEvil> I don't understand many fashion choices.
[01:09:07] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: good, it means you are sane.
[01:10:21] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: This color would be acceptable http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/6lm7kt-l-610x610-shoes-high+heels-heels-red+heels-red-red+shoes-platform-pumps-fuck+heels-hot-hipster-neon-high-redheels-bright+red+shoes-pink+high+heels-platform+high+heels-high+heal-red+high+heel.jpg
[01:14:37] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/pwj6L
[01:15:19] <Jymmm> tampon == pads
[01:17:05] <Jymmm> How do you write 'E subset k' typically?
[01:22:51] <pink_vampire> I like heels but not that high.
[01:30:00] <pink_vampire> also the red is too much red
[01:37:07] <pink_vampire> any idea how to make brushed aluminum on the cnc?
[01:37:38] <Jymmm> wire cup brush?
[01:38:04] <pink_vampire> what type?
[01:38:33] <Jymmm> how many types are there?
[01:38:36] <pink_vampire> I want it to be lines, not circles
[01:38:41] <pink_vampire> alot
[01:38:49] <Jymmm> links?
[01:39:54] <pink_vampire> https://www.google.com/search?q=wire+cup+brush%3F&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNp8HH5OzLAhXJ9h4KHWruDCcQ_AUICCgC&biw=1440&bih=738
[01:40:40] <Jymmm> whichever gives you the look you want
[01:41:17] <Jymmm> these are cheap and plenitful http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/820909/820909700890lg.jpg
[01:41:55] <pink_vampire> but it will make circles all over the plate
[01:48:21] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ru5QoYgpGw
[01:58:41] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: that machine look amazing.
[02:01:23] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: wanna see some porn?
[02:02:14] <pink_vampire> that kind?
[02:02:19] <CaptHindsight> whaddayah suppose they paid for dat machine?
[02:02:51] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Aviation use.... three arms, 4 legs, and 15 first born.
[02:03:25] <CaptHindsight> humans or skin jobs?
[02:04:16] <Jymmm> yes
[02:05:06] <pink_vampire> ?'
[02:17:06] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBbWBtAuqw
[02:17:42] <Jymmm> thats not porn! eeeesh
[02:20:25] <MrTrick> heh, "made in a numerically tape controlled milling machine" http://hackaday.com/2016/03/24/retrotechtacular-blacksmithing-to-the-stars/
[02:20:58] <MrTrick> also, that billet cutting machine... O_O (it's cutting at about 8 rpm)
[02:23:09] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Now, here's some porn baby!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgIMqTVBnSs
[02:23:28] <pink_vampire> dmg,,,
[02:23:31] <pink_vampire> yeah
[02:24:06] <pink_vampire> I like the B axis
[02:26:18] <pink_vampire> how it work?
[02:26:43] <pink_vampire> the spindle attached to rotating platform?
[02:27:13] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ^
[02:27:25] <Jymmm> nfc
[02:28:02] <Deejay> moin
[02:28:59] <pink_vampire> nfc?
[02:29:03] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[02:29:21] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: NFC = No Fucking Clue =)
[02:29:27] <MrTrick> (also a 50 000 ton press. O_O)
[02:29:53] <MrTrick> and forging tungsten. I'm sure that's kinda tricky.
[02:30:16] <pink_vampire> I think b axis will be useful for my machine for 3d machining
[02:32:20] <pink_vampire> what is the bg music???
[02:38:35] <pink_vampire> where can I get large ball bearing?
[02:38:51] <pink_vampire> 1/2" or bigger.
[02:38:56] <pink_vampire> I mean local
[02:49:19] <pink_vampire> I need one with high grade
[02:49:26] <pink_vampire> for calibration
[02:50:09] <archivist> never heard of a ball bearing used for calibration
[02:50:22] <archivist> use the right tool for the job
[02:52:07] <pink_vampire> archivist: now you can learn something
[02:52:08] <pink_vampire> https://www.google.com/search?q=calibration+sphere+tool&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipiKjS9OzLAhUE7B4KHaBYDiUQsAQIRg&biw=1440&bih=738
[02:56:36] <pink_vampire> archivist: http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-3060-0310
[02:56:44] <pink_vampire> Price: $1,258.00
[02:57:18] <pink_vampire> so.. high grade ball bearing will do the same for me
[02:57:25] <pink_vampire> archivist: ??
[02:59:31] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reinshaw-CMM-Universal-Datum-Sphere-/172148535306?hash=item2814da300a:g:J4MAAOSwZ8ZW99Zr
[02:59:37] <pink_vampire> $299.99
[03:01:50] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-2-Inch-G25-Precision-Chrome-Steel-Ball-Bearing-AISI-52100-/221513639450?hash=item33933de61a:g:ylEAAOSw54xUWZcA
[03:01:57] <pink_vampire> US $15.89
[03:02:56] <pink_vampire> I will just need to edm a hole in it, and connect a holder for it.
[03:05:00] <pink_vampire> any idea how do drill Silicon Nitride?
[03:28:04] <ReadError> whats the name of the tool used for cutting a slot for a c-clip
[03:28:28] <ReadError> slotting tool is giving me a bunch of other things (for inside of a part etc)
[03:28:32] <ReadError> lathe tool..
[03:31:30] <pink_vampire> I think Just diamond will make it,
[03:33:17] <ReadError> seems like people make their own for the really thin ones
[03:35:15] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZBiZu8FxC4
[03:35:41] <pink_vampire> I want to make a datum sphere like that
[04:13:55] <archivist_herron> ReadError, slitting saw
[04:15:24] <archivist_herron> pink_vampire, datum sphere is something you should buy, or use the largest ruby stylus you can
[04:16:58] <archivist_herron> pink_vampire, as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIscw-ciEg
[04:55:42] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[05:02:20] <Loetmichel2> after breaking two glass panes 260€ each... i decided to make something less rage inducing... so i made a new stand for my notebook.. above the multimeter..-> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16209 http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16212 ;-)
[05:34:27] <XXCoder> looks nice Loetmichel2
[05:36:49] <Loetmichel2> was a nice half an hour to relax the fingers to not break ANOTHER glass pane
[05:42:03] <XXCoder> indeed.
[05:42:57] <XXCoder> cutting clear plastic into stuff is one of stuff I want to do with machine
[05:46:34] <Loetmichel2> its 1/8" pmma
[05:46:51] <Loetmichel2> not THAT rigid but sufficient for such a lightweight notebook
[05:47:09] <Loetmichel2> also boos now brigns down his Ipad to get one made for videoconverencing ;)
[05:47:17] <Loetmichel2> -v+f
[05:47:26] <XXCoder> well it can be compesed with structure if it needed more
[05:47:35] <XXCoder> like "I beams"
[05:48:04] <Loetmichel2> yeah, problem is that the multimeter sits underneath
[05:48:17] <Loetmichel2> no room for any i-beams there ;)
[05:49:04] <XXCoder> too bad heh
[05:49:20] <XXCoder> http://nerdapproved.com/approved-products/labyrinth-door-knockers/
[05:49:26] <XXCoder> I think I wanna try make those
[05:49:34] <XXCoder> I love that movie.
[05:50:07] <XXCoder> did you know the goblin king was not supposed to have that big bulge? apparently it was joke for that lady actor, he kept increasing size
[05:50:19] <XXCoder> but director decided to makwe him wear one in movie
[05:51:18] <Loetmichel2> as long as they dont start to talk when you knock...
[05:52:00] <XXCoder> in movie they did
[05:52:12] <XXCoder> the one with connections in ears was hard of hearing
[05:52:19] <XXCoder> well you can figure the issue with other one.
[05:52:29] <XXCoder> though she solved it handly
[05:55:29] <Loetmichel2> i meant its ok to have them on my door, as long as they keep silend and dont start arguing withvisitors
[05:55:35] <Loetmichel2> i know the movie
[05:58:57] <XXCoder> oh lol
[05:59:08] <XXCoder> its among my favorites
[05:59:42] <XXCoder> other catalogery - puppets, the dark crystal is the best
[05:59:57] <XXCoder> no movie puppet based will beat it
[08:20:41] <Loetmichel2> hihi, tested my webcam on the notebook... works... and soldering is a repetive job if you have 25 ampligfier boards to do... -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xnwZU2bd2Q
[08:43:03] * JT-Shop wonders what he was thinking about spending hours to make a part that sells for $4
[09:23:00] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: It happens, maybe it's the method used and it's "future" potential.
[09:24:37] <JT-Shop> it could be a loss leader if I had any sales :(
[09:25:20] <Jymmm> What was the part?
[09:42:18] <JT-Shop> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=70&product_id=88
[09:46:40] <Loetmichel2> JT-Shop: dont worry
[09:46:59] <Loetmichel2> i repaired an $3 computer mouse once
[09:47:31] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11726
[09:47:49] <Loetmichel2> milled a new hex end for the mouse wheel
[09:47:51] <Loetmichel2> broke off
[09:48:04] <Loetmichel2> ... about 2 hours work ;)
[09:48:16] <Loetmichel2> so you are not by far the worst time waster ;)
[09:49:43] <JT-Shop> I can do better than that for personal stuff
[09:51:00] <Jymmm> lol
[09:53:27] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel2: On the bright side, you tripled the mouse value.
[10:04:04] <JT-Shop> can clonezilla create an install disk for a disk image?
[10:08:00] <_methods> an install disk for a disk image?
[10:08:23] <JT-Shop> yea, this computer won't boot with the clonezilla disk
[10:08:35] <_methods> windows?
[10:08:42] <JT-Shop> so I'm trying to figure out how to install the disk image
[10:08:47] <JT-Shop> linuxmint 17.2
[10:09:02] <_methods> i've never tried using clonezilla for linux
[10:09:07] <_methods> i just use dd
[10:10:16] <_methods> do you still have the original disk you wanted to copy?
[10:10:32] <JT-Shop> yea it's in the linux cave computer
[10:10:44] <_methods> dd will make a complete copy of the drive including boot stuff
[10:10:53] <JT-Shop> it's all configured like I like so I want to copy it to the shop linux computer
[10:11:15] <Jymmm> So you already created an img file?
[10:11:17] <JT-Shop> don't the drives have to be the same size?
[10:11:28] <Jymmm> not necessarily
[10:11:38] <_methods> they don't but if it's larger you'll have to do some adjusting after the install
[10:11:55] <Jymmm> or have wasted space you cant use
[10:12:08] <_methods> well you can use that space later
[10:12:19] <_methods> you'll have to do some partitioning
[10:12:22] <Jymmm> adter you've mucked with resizing partitions that is
[10:12:24] <_methods> after
[10:13:17] <_methods> but i don't know anything about clonezilla
[10:13:22] <_methods> so i'll just shut up
[10:13:30] <_methods> the img may work as you have it now
[10:15:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: The SIMPLEST way... Is just grab the hdd you want to copy, toss it into the machine you want it copied to. then boot from sysresccd or another livecd, and dd it
[10:15:39] <_methods> ^^
[10:16:36] <_methods> Prior to cloning did you check the /etc/fstab file and the /boot/grub/menu.lst of the old hard drive, to see if it uses disk-by-id identification in the /etc/fstab, the /boot/grub/menu.lst, and the /boot/grub/device.map files ?
[10:17:01] <JT-Shop> that's all greek to me
[10:17:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You only need an img file is 1) you plan on using it on multiple machines, or 2) you want a backup
[10:17:11] <_methods> cause if it copied all that stuff over it will think your disk doesn't exist
[10:17:29] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: Is the machine using UEFI or legacy bios?
[10:17:31] <Jymmm> _methods: you are overwhelming him
[10:17:38] <_methods> sorry
[10:18:02] <JT-Shop> malcom2073: I have no clue what that is
[10:18:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What I described about is simple a hdd to hdd copy.
[10:18:27] <Jymmm> above*
[10:18:36] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: Something that will bite you in the ass with newer motherboards when you're cloning images heh
[10:19:25] <JT-Shop> that's why I like clonezilla, it donesn't bite back
[10:19:30] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Which he doesn't have to deal with using dd as I mentioned
[10:19:48] <malcom2073> Jymmm: No, clonezilla properly handles it, DD doesn't
[10:20:12] <malcom2073> However, if he can't boot from the clonezilla cd, it's possible he's using the non-uefi cd on a uefi motherboard
[10:20:42] <malcom2073> All pure speculation, but you should fix the first issue: A bootable CD not being bootable
[10:21:01] <Jymmm> Again, overload
[10:22:01] <_methods> not to overload but i'm guessing the /etc/fstab uuid for the old drive is still in there and it's not going to boot on the new drive until you change uuid
[10:22:22] <malcom2073> Jymmm: My apologies, I'll shush then and let you handle it :)
[10:22:28] <JT-Shop> the CD boots on all my other computers but not this one :(
[10:22:38] <_methods> hmm
[10:22:38] <JT-Shop> might try a different dvd drive
[10:22:52] <_methods> oh well damn
[10:23:17] <_methods> if it boots on other stuff then that uuid stuff isn't the issue
[10:24:16] <rwlloyd> Afternoon. Has anybody here got experience of setting up the hal and ini files for 5 Axis systems. Especially getting the toolpath to display properly in axis. I've been poking around in the dark for a couple of days now and I'm at a loss where/how to best learn about this stuff. Do I need to look at kinematics etc?
[10:24:36] <_methods> i don't think axis will correctly display 5 axis toolpaths
[10:25:32] <JT-Shop> rwlloyd: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_display_section
[10:26:10] <cradek> aha JT-Shop was faster
[10:26:24] <cradek> yes, check [DISPLAY]GEOMETRY
[10:26:31] <JT-Shop> at least I know the answer to that question lol
[10:26:58] * JT-Shop likes glabels
[10:27:00] <cradek> the AXIS preview does show 5-axis programs correctly when configured for your machine
[10:27:09] <_methods> ah
[10:27:17] <rwlloyd> I've seen this. It's the vagaries of the GEOMETRY = XYZABCUVW section that has me stumped. I seem to have a setup unlike any of the examples and I'm confused as how best to make modifications
[10:27:24] <cradek> 5 axis code has many flavors
[10:27:38] <cradek> what's your setup?
[10:28:27] <_methods> good to know i thought it wouldn't disply 5 axis correctly
[10:30:22] <rwlloyd> Indeed it does. In this case i have an XYZ milling machine type setup with trunion as the A axis and rotary axis sat on the trunion initially in a c axs orientation. But of course, that changes as soon as you move A
[10:30:24] <_methods> i guess that got fixed back in 2007 lol
[10:33:40] <rwlloyd> I believe I either have to change the kinematic or hal file, but I'm not sure about exactly how to. Honestly, I could do with a well commented example :)
[10:40:46] <rwlloyd> Well this is an awkward silence.... it has confused me too!
[10:41:30] <gregcnc> isn't XYZAC a typical setup for 5 axis?
[10:42:31] <BKLYN_DUDE> does anyone know why software stepping (using a parallel port card) would be faster than hardware stepping (using a Mesa 6i25/7i76)?
[10:42:45] <rwlloyd> I thought so, but the examples seem to have a gantry arrangement. Honesty, I don't know where to put in offsets either
[10:43:19] <BKLYN_DUDE> for all intents and purposes, it's the same driver with the same timings.
[10:51:02] <CaptHindsight> BKLYN_DUDE: why would it? Isn't it the other way around?
[10:53:18] <pcw_home> couple possibilities: too short step pulse (increase), wrong step polarity (change)
[10:54:06] <CaptHindsight> misconfiguration
[10:54:20] <pcw_home> wiring issues...
[10:54:32] <Jaypee> Higuys
[10:55:28] <Jaypee> testing my stepper and driver on linux cnc
[10:55:56] <Jaypee> turns fine in one direction though in the other it just jerks around
[10:56:34] <pcw_home> bad level on direction pin?
[10:56:50] <Jaypee> level?
[10:57:01] <pcw_home> signal level
[10:57:16] <Jaypee> you mean noise
[10:57:27] <archivist> Jaypee, also see http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
[10:57:57] <pcw_home> measure signal level in both directions at drive
[10:58:08] <CaptHindsight> Jaypee: is the stepper motor connected to a screw or pulley with a load or is nothing attached to the motors shaft?
[10:58:13] <Jaypee> right i'll get onit
[10:58:36] <archivist> but yes check drive levels on the pins, some BOBs have a resistor as well as the driver, so the opto does not get driven fully
[10:58:57] <_methods> wow this is nice
[10:59:04] <_methods> a day full of legitimate questions
[10:59:29] <CaptHindsight> it's just starting :)
[10:59:37] <archivist> but how shall I choose my chinese gantry
[10:59:44] <_methods> NOOOOOOOOOO
[10:59:46] * archivist ducks
[10:59:47] <_methods> damn you archivist
[10:59:51] <CaptHindsight> magic 8-ball
[11:00:17] <gregcnc> just google and click i'm feeling lucky
[11:00:51] <CaptHindsight> heh, thats how I ended up with a shovel made of meat
[11:01:00] <rwlloyd> My day is just about finished. I'll have a crack at this configuration over the weekend. Hopefully there will be some people about on monday when i'm close to breaking.
[11:04:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160331-shanghai-funeral-home-3d-prints-body-parts-to-repair-corpses.html
[11:04:19] <Jaypee> found it: it was indeed noise coming from my 24V psu
[11:04:57] <Jaypee> i was using http://eu.stepperonline.com/download/pdf/5_Axis_CNC_Breakout_Board_Interface_Users_Manual.pdf with a 24v psu
[11:05:06] <Jaypee> the power was dirty though
[11:05:31] <Jaypee> used usb power for the board and it worked
[11:05:42] <CaptHindsight> I have that BOB on the desk in front of me
[11:07:57] <archivist> that bob usually is ok but I got some noise driving the inputs not hard enough
[11:08:35] <archivist> I was using 5v for the input optos and they are set up for 12
[11:10:46] <pcw_home> Yeah noise often means bad levels ( not enough noise margin )
[11:13:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160401-carbon-releases-first-commercial-clip-based-3d-printer-the-m1.html