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[00:37:38] <trentster1> Tom_itx: thats amazing, seeing virgin land emerge for the first time, I wonder if he could claim it?
[00:39:30] <trentster1> Has anyone ever built there own ATC with a power draw bar before?
[00:55:56] <archivist> trentster1, yes people have, not me
[00:56:10] <trentster1> archivist: you still do manual tool changes
[00:56:40] <archivist> mandraulic
[00:57:12] <trentster1> Yup, your lucky, I am still at the collet / non hydraulic anything stage
[00:57:31] <archivist> less need for gear cutting
[00:57:55] <trentster1> archivist: any of your machines use servos or you still a stepper man?
[00:58:40] <archivist> steppers still
[01:01:15] <trentster1> I am thinking of getting some servos, I always have this paranoid fear that I may lose steps at some point.
[01:01:23] <trentster1> some folks use steppers with encoders right?
[01:02:51] <That-CNC-Guy> yup, leadshine make steppers with encoders
[01:03:04] <That-CNC-Guy> I think the call them Easy seros
[01:03:11] <That-CNC-Guy> servos*
[01:03:18] <That-CNC-Guy> kind of missleading
[01:04:28] <trentster1> its a close loop hack
[01:04:49] <trentster1> still better than steppers alone, but proper servos are the way to go.
[01:04:53] <MrSunshine_> uff, worst part about tight fits of pulleys is allt he heat you have to use to get them off =)
[01:06:42] <trentster1> I would love to have some teknic clearpaths to play with
[01:09:06] <archivist> I would say you need real servo for the short term unexpected overload, steppers cannot deal with that
[01:12:01] <archivist> no amount of feedback deals with a stall
[01:13:28] <trentster1> speaking of stalls, do you ever wire your alarm/error output pin on your drivers to your BOB to indicate an error and stop the machine?
[01:15:01] <trentster1> is your vfd also a chinese cheapie?
[01:18:19] <archivist> error pin, dont have
[01:18:33] <archivist> vfd, Mitsubishi
[01:21:33] <trentster1> archivist: Mitsubishis are nice
[01:25:05] <archivist> spindle driven by a standard induction motor
[01:25:48] <archivist> which is causing me step loss on Z, need to fix that, too heavy
[01:29:00] <trentster1> archivist: yeah that a problem - would a counter weight not solve that?
[01:30:15] <archivist> needs another Z nut holder making, it is currently using gravity
[01:30:47] <archivist> better to replace the column with new with a prper ball screw
[01:37:33] <trentster1> archivist, you not using a ballscrew at the moment?
[01:38:11] <That-CNC-Guy> be carful counter balancing as you dont want the weight distribution 50/50
[01:55:50] <MrSunshine_> hmm, tried to make my first chipbreaker in a hss lathe tool ... didnt work out that great .. sometimes breaks the chips sometimes it just wraps around the tool ... any idea on what ive done wrong ? to big breaker ?
[02:02:17] <SpeedEvil> chip breakers depend on the material being fatigued enough to break
[02:02:25] <SpeedEvil> AIUI
[02:02:45] <SpeedEvil> (or brittle)
[02:02:48] * SpeedEvil quacks.
[02:03:54] <MrSunshine_> SpeedEvil: yeah thats what im thinking, so the breaker might be to big so it doesnt curl up enough
[02:04:11] <SpeedEvil> MrSunshine_: what're you cutting?
[02:04:19] <MrSunshine_> aluminium
[02:04:22] <MrSunshine_> dont know the grade
[02:07:17] <MrSunshine_> the tool i ground leaves an awesome finnish but the strands of aluminium is kinda annoying =)
[02:08:45] <trentster1> MrSunshine_: could they not be encouraged to break with a momentry pause introduced in the gcode?
[02:09:36] <MrSunshine_> manual =)
[02:10:12] <SpeedEvil> MrSunshine_: while machining, dance violently.
[02:10:19] <MrSunshine_> haha
[02:10:31] <trentster1> lol
[02:32:26] <Deejay> moin
[02:35:52] <archivist_herron> trentster1, no it has the 1mm pitch leadscrew off the lathe I used for the mill spindle
[03:59:56] <MrSunshine_> hmm this 1:48 1:50 crap etc ... a tapered gib seems to have a taper of 1:50 .. 1:50 what ?
[04:00:05] <MrSunshine_> 1:50mm ? 1:50cm ?
[04:00:22] <MrSunshine_> metric
[04:02:32] <SpeedEvil> err
[04:02:35] <SpeedEvil> it's a ratio
[04:02:43] <MrSunshine_> ah yes .. but =)
[04:02:56] <MrSunshine_> im not good with them :/
[04:05:09] <SpeedEvil> 1:50 mm, inches, feet, furlongs, it doesn't matter
[04:05:21] <SpeedEvil> For every 50 x, you get 1 y
[04:05:29] <archivist_herron> a ratio has no specific units
[04:06:08] <MrSunshine_> so say i have a 150mm thingie then its 3mm thicker in one end than the other ?
[04:14:58] <SpeedEvil> ys
[04:16:20] <MrSunshine_> ok thanks =) now i understand it alot more =)
[04:19:12] <minibnz> i have a question. i have to upgade my install of liinuxcnc... i am currently using ubuntu 10.04... i want to upgrade to the latest release. does anyone know if its possible to keep 10.04 and still upgrade? the only links i can find for upgrading on ubuntu points me to the same version i have already installed and want to update
[04:19:47] <minibnz> i really hate the desktop in 14.10 it sucks arse big time and really do not want to have to use it or try and attempt to remove that shitty unity interface....
[04:20:52] <minibnz> if the only way to get to where i want is thru compiling the source thats ok.. not prefered but ok..
[04:21:05] <minibnz> all this to get a damn tool changer to work
[04:21:41] <MrSunshine_> make backups of configs and do a reinstall ? dont know if you can do distribution upgrade ..
[04:23:08] <minibnz> a re-install will only get me the same version.. i have been told i must upgrade.. and i refuse to use that shit called unity...
[04:45:05] <minibnz> ok i think i have it upgraded.. just gotta get the parport to work again..
[04:48:24] <minibnz> oh i think i have screwed up...
[04:48:54] <minibnz> i just found a page that says dont go from 2.5 to 2.7 in one step you gotta update to 2.6 then to 2.7... ARGH!!!!! WTF
[04:50:27] <minibnz> i dont really mind if i stuffed this install it just means i will have to wait 4.5hours for the card to be re-imaged..
[05:19:55] <Sync> why is it so slow minibnz?
[05:38:46] <minibnz> i dunno dd has always been slow..
[05:39:25] <minibnz> guess it could be the usb card reader.. but even then i get the same speed from usb keys and SD cards.. they all use the same bus..
[05:39:38] <minibnz> all i get is 250kbytes per second.
[05:39:53] <minibnz> and that takes 4.5 hours to move 4gb image
[05:42:27] <minibnz> and now i cannot get any newer versions of linuxcnc to actually work... 2.6 and 2.7 both complain that it cant initialize interpreter.. 2.7 is also missing the module to access the parport..
[05:43:07] <evil_ren> wow slo
[05:43:25] <minibnz> looks like i am roally fucked... i guess i have to go to a livecd but that comes with the shitty unit interface.. every time i have tried to remove that shit i have bricked the machine
[05:45:13] <minibnz> .ahhh ok its now working.. it didnt like the remap commands i had in the ini file..
[05:45:49] <minibnz> but that screws me cuz i need those remap commands.. that was the ENTIRE point to upgrading... i am so over this its not funny anymore...
[05:50:48] <Loetmichel2> meh, customer ordererd ONE modified printer from an ages old project.. so i had to redo the PCbs... because one piece isnt a usual order number at PCB manufacturers... .>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6NQ-05A0qc
[05:53:08] <minibnz> they be some nice fine tracks there..
[05:53:26] <minibnz> is that an airhead running?
[05:54:25] <Loetmichel2> no, normal 800W chinese spinfle watercooled
[05:54:46] <Loetmichel2> the sound is from the hoover providing the vacuum for the table
[05:55:17] <Loetmichel2> s/hoover/shopvac
[05:56:25] <minibnz> ahh nice..
[05:57:10] <minibnz> ok i think i have what i need to make my tool changer.. looks like i need to use the vismach sample as a base and start from there..
[06:03:45] <witnit> I bought another lathe yesterday :) not this particular one, but same model
https://www.purplewave.com/auction/120905/item/D4457
[06:42:21] <Sync> minibnz: that sounds very wrong
[06:42:33] <Sync> you should be getting at least 20M/s
[06:58:07] <Jymmm> optocoupler isolation module
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-2PCS-LOT-8-optocoupler-isolator-pc817-optocoupler-other-customize-optocoupler-isolation-module/1408334253.html
[07:02:59] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Vqjv1in1k
[07:03:03] <_methods> rotary subwoofer lol
[07:06:14] <Jymmm> that was totally useless video
[07:07:23] <_methods> just wait till all the cars driving thru your neighborhood have those in them
[07:07:42] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmgBvKeArfo
[07:07:50] <_methods> i guess that's it working
[07:08:07] <Jymmm> I'm not clicking on any of your links
[07:08:12] <_methods> hahah
[07:10:21] <_methods> i like your new haircut Jymmm
[07:10:23] <_methods> http://uploads.neatorama.com/images/posts/318/89/89318/1459244911-1.jpg
[07:10:35] <Jymmm> I'm not clicking on any of your links
[07:10:52] <Jymmm> you blew it on that rotary sub link
[07:10:52] <_methods> everyone else is though
[07:11:09] <Jymmm> they can have kool-aid too if they want
[07:14:48] <_methods> wtf are you even doing up isn't it like 4am your time
[07:15:13] <Jymmm> I'm always up
[07:15:30] <Jymmm> and almost 5am
[07:17:55] <_methods> you whacko
[07:21:22] <Jymmm> _methods:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTtqpen-Wo0
[07:26:10] <_methods> i'm not clickin on any of your links
[07:26:42] <_methods> hehe
[07:27:12] <_methods> whakko
[08:19:47] <pink_vampire> new day.
[08:23:10] <R2E4> new daen
[08:30:00] <pink_vampire> ?
[08:50:46] <minibnz> argh... i sorta have the carousel component working.. i can make the carousel turn but it wont stop.. not too sure whats going wrong here as i can see the index and pocket pulses in the scope and htey are doing what i exepct
[08:54:11] <minibnz> ok i can see the pocket counter increasing so that signal is making it to the component.. the weird thing is that the counter doesnt reset when the index pulse comes along.. maybe there is something there...
[08:55:44] <miss0r> New mill now home, and running :)
http://picpaste.com/pics/20160330_152521-bFgpGGrk.1459344592.jpg
[08:57:09] <miss0r> The transport home was horrible. it started raining on the way to pick it up(some 200km out) and all the way back. luckily it survived. (it was covered in plastic from top to bottom, but one gets anxious)
[08:58:36] <minibnz> nice miss0r
[09:00:06] <_methods> oh yeah that's a nice mill
[09:00:21] <_methods> deckel?
[09:00:25] <miss0r> Thank you. Now I just have to learn to use this old 432 controller
[09:00:56] <miss0r> _methods, I am having some difficulties saying for sure. weather deckel bought MAHO when this unit was made or not.
[09:01:14] <_methods> might just be maho then i guess
[09:01:27] <miss0r> It does say deckel maho on the 432, but I believe the keyboard was replaced sometime in the past
[09:01:38] <_methods> i'd love to have that mill
[09:01:41] <_methods> perfect size
[09:01:48] <_methods> to fit in garage shop
[09:02:13] <_methods> not too big and solid
[09:02:25] <miss0r> perfect size indeed. I have to open the garage door to service the electronics in the back thou. but one has to compromise in a small shop :)
[09:02:34] <_methods> can you rs232 drip feed it?
[09:02:59] <miss0r> its somewhat unsure about the drip feed. Today is the first day I have time to mess with it
[09:03:08] <_methods> ah
[09:04:05] <miss0r> but from what i've read on the interwebs, this unit does not support drip-feed. So I am somewhat limited in program size it seems. But I can't say for sure yet
[09:04:25] <_methods> ouch
[09:05:04] <_methods> be perfect with linuxcnc on there then
[09:05:36] <miss0r> from what i've heard in here, it is not very straight forward converting it - specificaly talking about the linear measuering system
[09:05:48] <_methods> oh
[09:06:24] <_methods> well that's not good news
[09:06:28] <miss0r> I won't study that too much at the moment. I will see what it can do without a convertion
[09:07:04] <miss0r> BUT if the memory is only 64k as i've read somewhere, I haven't got much choice. but somewhere else out there it says 512k.. I will try to figure it out
[09:08:11] <Sync> miss0r: just take a picture of the linear scales
[09:08:27] <Sync> and I can tell you if it is an issue or not
[09:08:47] <miss0r> heh. I will do that at some point - they are tugged in there good. behind all sort of covers
[09:09:20] <Sync> the Y one should be easy to access
[09:10:09] <miss0r> Are you keeping in mind the Y and Z are swapped in this unit?
[09:11:32] <Sync> only if you are using it as a horizontal
[09:11:43] <Sync> otherwise VMC MCS applies
[09:13:23] <miss0r> I don't understand what that means :) but if you are standing in front of it, and the head is moving towards you/away from you, it's the Z-axis in thos model. while lowering and lifting the table is Y-axis
[09:17:32] <miss0r> would any of you have a clue where I can download a post-processor for mastercam x5 that will do this old baby?
[09:18:02] <_methods> you should have generic horizontal 3 axis post that would work
[09:18:12] <_methods> or at least edit to work for you
[09:18:24] <_methods> if not i'll see what i have
[09:18:26] <miss0r> indeed. only the vertical movement is Y in this model. So some rewriting would be needed
[09:18:51] <_methods> that is normal on a horizontal
[09:19:11] <miss0r> goes to show how little I know
[09:19:15] <_methods> do you have generic 3 axis HMC post?
[09:20:05] <miss0r> yep
[09:20:09] <_methods> k
[09:20:14] <_methods> that should work for you then
[09:20:34] <_methods> you'll probably need to edit a little for any codes specific to that machine
[09:22:00] <miss0r> what the hell is this MMD at the end of the name?
[09:22:13] <_methods> millimeters maybe
[09:22:21] <_methods> oh nm
[09:22:24] <_methods> machine definition
[09:22:35] <_methods> i think that is mastercam machine definition
[09:22:39] <_methods> .mmd
[09:23:02] <Sync> miss0r: you can change that in the control
[09:23:02] <miss0r> oh alright
[09:23:10] <Sync> Z is always in the direction of the spindle
[09:23:17] <Sync> which is why Z and Y are swapped in a HMC
[09:23:27] <Sync> but you have an angle head, so Z is still up
[09:23:49] <miss0r> Sync, when I jog the Z-axis, it moves what I believe is Y axis.
[09:24:01] <miss0r> So I should probally change some machine constant then
[09:24:52] <_methods> yeah i would assume so
[09:25:03] <_methods> if you're using it as a VMC instead of HMC
[09:29:39] <miss0r> damnit! i should've payed better attention in german class back in highschool.
[09:29:45] <_methods> hahah
[09:29:46] <miss0r> the parameter list is in german only
[09:30:45] <_methods> google translate
[09:31:11] <_methods> i just had to do it for a italian print today
[09:31:20] <_methods> had no idea what smussare is
[09:31:31] <miss0r> google translate is good. but this parameter list is 6 pages long. and I only have a hard copy
[09:31:46] <_methods> ouch
[09:31:49] <miss0r> safe me the trouble of translating that and tell me what it means
[09:32:09] <miss0r> I do have a digital copy thou... but it is on a punch-tape. and I have nothing that can read that
[09:32:15] <_methods> Sync is German right?
[09:32:19] <miss0r> also, it would only be the parameter values
[09:32:28] <_methods> send him a jpg?
[09:32:35] <_methods> and Loetmichel2
[09:32:41] <_methods> maybe they will help you
[09:32:49] <miss0r> you up for it Sync?
[09:32:55] <_methods> or push a jpg thru OCR
[09:33:02] <_methods> then google translate
[09:34:27] <miss0r> is there an online version of OCR ?
[09:34:42] <_methods> there are quite a few i believe
[09:35:20] <_methods> http://www.onlineocr.net/
[09:35:52] <_methods> https://support.google.com/drive/answer/176692?hl=en
[09:35:54] <_methods> google ocr
[09:35:58] <_methods> in google drive
[09:36:54] <miss0r> quite a few options. I hope it can do this :) otherwise I am in for a workload
[09:36:55] <miss0r> :)
[09:39:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shanghaimetal.com/uploadfile/screw/head%20style.png I was going to get one on the left and then I saw these others. Which one is best?
[09:39:56] <_methods> the one with thread obviously
[09:40:00] <CaptHindsight> I think these are all drawings vs pictures
[09:45:05] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/NlA0XX1.png
[09:47:16] <miss0r> Sync, Are you willing to skim over the paramater list and see if you can see the paramater I have to change? (I am uploading the pictures to the interwebs as we speak)
[09:50:57] <Sync> miss0r: sure
[09:51:23] <miss0r> Sync, I will PM you the links
[09:51:41] <miss0r> side 2:
http://picpaste.com/20160330_160730-Z52fCaFZ.jpg
[09:51:41] <miss0r> side 3:
http://picpaste.com/20160330_160746-8J9ta7Y9.jpg
[09:51:41] <miss0r> side 4:
http://picpaste.com/20160330_160756-RmUCqXuU.jpg
[09:51:57] <miss0r> side 6:
http://picpaste.com/20160330_160814-sit0jWzJ.jpg
[09:51:57] <miss0r> side 7:
http://picpaste.com/20160330_160824-gekY09aX.jpg
[09:51:57] <miss0r> side 8:
http://picpaste.com/20160330_160832-TFfDWgHv.jpg
[09:52:00] <miss0r> there we go
[09:52:13] <miss0r> err..... did the links end up in here ? :S
[09:52:55] <Sync> toastydeath: just got my copy of precision machine design, that's a great book :D
[09:55:39] <DaViruz> miss0r: what control is that?
[09:55:58] <miss0r> the philips 432
[09:55:59] <DaViruz> (just out of curiosity)
[09:56:03] <Sync> miss0r: it seems to have a serial port
[09:56:04] <DaViruz> oh.
[09:56:09] <miss0r> yes it does
[09:58:33] <Sync> can you tell me what n118-121 are currently set to?
[10:00:17] <miss0r> Sync, I can try :)
[10:01:10] <minibnz> yay i thinks i has a almost working tool changer.. gotta tweak a few settings but it appears to work :) gotta add some PLC in there for the collet release and then it should be good to build the platter/carousel...
[10:01:42] <minibnz> andy pugh you are the best.. as author of the module i am using gotta say thanks for the hard work..
[10:03:05] <miss0r> Sync, from 118-121 88, 88, 89, 90, 66
[10:09:32] <miss0r> Sync, So does it all makes sense?
[10:22:10] <Sync> try swapping 89 and 90, but have the hand over the estop ready miss0r
[10:22:58] <miss0r> this includes opening the garage door, turning the memory write switch, and changing the parameter... :) hang on
[10:30:51] <miss0r> Sync, I swapped the parameters. The machine moves like it did before. only I can't move X-axis now :)
[10:32:50] <__rob2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UYABpKZm90
[10:32:56] <__rob2> so thats the bed of my mill
[10:33:06] <miss0r> Sync, scratch that about the X-axis. Nothing changed
[10:33:11] <__rob2> doesn't look to be twisted or sinking ?
[10:33:27] <__rob2> think the had *must* be leaning forward
[10:33:40] <__rob2> everything over the whole table is < 0.001"
[10:34:28] <Sync> yeah miss0r I think it involves more work
[10:35:15] <Sync> __rob2: the only thing you are measuring that way is the table flatness
[10:35:58] <__rob2> yea
[10:36:31] <__rob2> so that suggests that the problems i have the facemill being lower at one side than the other in Y is not twist in the bed
[10:37:06] <miss0r> Sync, that just makes me sad. :o) what are we talking here?
[10:37:12] <__rob2> or not problems in the ways, but the problem in squarely in the Z, either the column, gib or spindle ?
[10:37:58] <__rob2> please correct me if that logic is wrong
[10:38:35] <__rob2> sync:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOR8BjLA_9E this is the problem I am trying to find
[10:38:36] <__rob2> and fix
[10:38:38] <Sync> miss0r: probably swapping the whole parameter set of the axis
[10:38:46] <Sync> I'd have to read into it
[10:39:01] <Sync> well you can measure that with your tramming tool __rob2
[10:39:43] <miss0r> Sync, that sounds like something that was not ment to be done
[10:39:48] <__rob2> no, I am waiting on some 246 blocks which I will test the Z with another dial indicator
[10:40:06] <__rob2> just had the tramming tool to hand, and I assumed it was ok for measuring the flatness
[10:40:26] <Sync> __rob2: just use the tramming tool in the Y direction
[10:40:35] <Sync> it will show you if the head is at an angle
[10:40:48] <Sync> miss0r: it is how it works with those old machines
[10:41:34] <miss0r> Sync, What if I sent the machine a G18, would it then assume z is Y and visa versa?
[10:43:27] <Sync> if you swap the axes correctly it will work just as expected
[10:44:11] <miss0r> Sync: Can you tell me what parameters I should type into a translater and look at? ( so I don't have to type in everything)
[10:44:23] * miss0r curses himself for not being better at german.
[10:44:54] <Sync> we should invade your country again
[10:45:25] <Sync> I'll have to go now, but I'll be back in ~4h or so
[10:45:38] <Sync> but I think there is no easy axis switch parameter
[10:45:48] <__rob2> ughh, checked in the y sync
[10:45:51] <__rob2> looks fine :(
[10:46:04] <miss0r> if you'd only won back then, I would be able to read this damn manual. also, I would presumably be better at steikmarch
[10:46:13] <miss0r> (?spell)
[10:46:36] <Sync> how did you do it? zeroed it in the same place and then lowered it __rob2?
[10:46:40] <__rob2> yea
[10:46:48] <__rob2> they have a small magnetic thing with it
[10:46:48] <Sync> hm
[10:46:49] <Sync> well
[10:46:51] <__rob2> zero'd both
[10:46:52] <Sync> miss0r: what?
[10:46:55] <__rob2> at the same spot
[10:47:14] <miss0r> Sync, streikmarch? the nazi parade marching style with the stiff limbs
[10:47:35] <__rob2> sync :
https://goo.gl/photos/DswTWd6yZNzUTzo38
[10:47:41] <__rob2> that looks fine, no ?
[10:47:53] <Sync> streikmärsche are when people are demonstrating
[10:48:09] <miss0r> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-10887,_Parade_der_Reichswehr.jpg
[10:48:18] <Sync> looks ok
[10:48:27] <__rob2> right, has to be the face mill then I guess
[10:48:33] <Sync> no
[10:48:33] <miss0r> Stechschritt
[10:48:37] <Sync> yeah
[10:48:57] <miss0r> I just assumed the danish word would be simular to the german one (it usualy is)
[10:49:35] <__rob2> although, if I rotate the tram tool 180 degrees, I get 0.001" on the near indicator
[10:50:01] <__rob2> the way in that video, both are 0.000"
[10:50:02] <__rob2> wtf
[10:50:34] <miss0r> __rob2, Do you have any parrallel blocks?
[10:51:30] <__rob2> yea
[10:51:43] <__rob2> not blocks, set of parallels though
[10:51:51] <__rob2> I have some blocks coming
[10:52:54] <miss0r> The way I do the tramming is to have as long a radius from the spindle to the dial as possible. Then I measure/zero the level on one block, then turn the spindle by hand to the other block and read the difference in height.
[10:52:58] <miss0r> This is best done with a dovetail
[10:54:07] <miss0r> also, be sure to lock all axis while doing it. and do it with/o locking the axis. and compare.
[10:59:03] <miss0r> __rob2, quick question. Do you have a proper tram tool?
[10:59:07] <miss0r> or just a dial?
[11:10:58] <__rob2> I have that edge tram tool
[11:11:10] <__rob2> http://www.edgetechnologyproducts.com/pro-tram-system/
[11:11:13] <__rob2> this thing
[11:14:30] <__rob2> http://i.snag.gy/MoKxV.jpg thats one way
[11:15:46] <__rob2> then turned 180 degrees
[11:15:52] <__rob2> http://snag.gy/m49FD.jpg
[11:16:42] <__rob2> of course could be crooked in the collet I suppose.....
[11:17:28] <miss0r> it could. thats why I trust a single dove tail dial more :)
[11:17:50] <__rob2> yea, think ur right
[11:19:02] <archivist> the dovetails may not be parallel to the axis surface
[11:19:46] <__rob2> gonna try and reseat that tram tool in a different er collet
[11:20:20] <archivist> as it is in the spindle the collets is a dont care
[11:20:42] <archivist> just adjust to 0 on both, then rotate
[11:23:20] <archivist> the relative change as it rotates around the axis is the figure to look for
[11:24:12] <__rob2> yea, so reseated, still the same, one way its 0.0005" higher at the back, 180 degrees round says its 0.001" higher at the back
[11:24:21] <__rob2> thats over 80mm
[11:24:49] <__rob2> swept along the table too, and it remains within that range
[11:26:11] <__rob2> http://snag.gy/um0Fq.jpg
[11:26:16] <__rob2> thats what its supposed to be
[11:26:22] <archivist> now check same distance by Y travel, should be 0 if the table top is parallel to slide
[11:26:49] <__rob2> you mean move along y ?
[11:27:32] <archivist> the direction of the droop
[11:27:43] <__rob2> same moving from min y to max y
[11:27:52] <__rob2> 0.001"
[11:28:22] <archivist> then table top not parallel to dovetail
[11:28:53] <__rob2> to the z dovetail right ?
[11:29:20] <archivist> no y dovetail to table top
[11:29:42] <__rob2> surely that should stay the same value across Y if its just a lean in the Z
[11:29:59] <archivist> if parallel but not square, sliding it should be 0 change
[11:30:08] <__rob2> yea, it is 0 change
[11:30:22] <archivist> you said <__rob2> 0.001"
[11:30:27] <__rob2> 0.001" higher at the back, always
[11:30:31] <__rob2> sorry, I added confision
[11:30:37] <__rob2> confusion*
[11:31:32] <__rob2> but yes, nothing changes, looks like its just lean, or the spindle is crooked, which I guess would account for the fact that I get a 0.0005" difference with 180 degree turn of the spindle
[11:32:14] <archivist> now to ascertain column or spindle and head
[11:33:47] <archivist> I would be measuring the squareness/angle of the column
[11:36:51] <__rob2> right, scratching my head a bit, how can I check that
[11:36:58] <__rob2> I can expose the ways to check the column
[11:37:11] <__rob2> but I can't sweep them wrt to the table top
[11:41:05] <archivist> a precision optical square and a laser pointer, a box level, a clinometer that can go to 90
[11:41:35] <archivist> autocollimator and optical square
[11:46:21] <Loetmichel2> *rant* meh, "advised but not factored" on the online account balance means exactly that: its not balanced in (yet). Salary missing: card payment at the car workshop denied. Have to go to the shop again tomorrow. then my salary + the allowed overdraft should be sufficient for the 3899.50 car Repair bill. */rant*
[11:51:18] <Not-Renny> Boop!
[11:51:54] <Loetmichel2> beep!
[11:57:10] <Not-Renny> Bahh, are there any guides for building a CNC lathe?
[11:58:31] <archivist> start with a non cnc :)
[11:59:30] <Not-Renny> Are there any guides on how to build a crappy one of those? :P
[12:00:10] <archivist> the most crappy are the designs for third world
[12:00:28] <archivist> one uses a car engine block
[12:01:39] * Not-Renny is contemplating the concrete one....
[12:02:08] <archivist> also for a giggle google gingery lathe
[12:02:53] <archivist> then got to a local scrap yard and see if they have a real one you can buy
[12:14:40] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, what accuracy can you get from 6040?
[12:20:10] <SpeedEvil> Not-Renny: I want to see a Matthias Wandal CNC lathe
[12:20:13] <SpeedEvil> just because.
[12:25:56] <maxcnc> hi all B:
[12:26:10] <maxcnc> hi all B:
[12:26:17] * Polymorphism still hasn't decided
[12:26:35] <maxcnc> Polymorphism: i thoght you where already curving
[12:26:37] * Polymorphism is debating exchanging cash for information
[12:26:40] <Polymorphism> not yet, no
[12:26:55] <maxcnc> like a coustomer here igot
[12:27:03] <maxcnc> 1year decision
[12:27:11] <maxcnc> on the first guess
[12:27:15] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: depends on how much you hurry
[12:27:26] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, I dont need it fast at all
[12:27:35] <Polymorphism> any speed is ok, I just need it to look very good, for engraving, and very clean edges
[12:27:37] <Loetmichel2> in aluminium: when you use F2400 and 0,2mm deptz: about 0,1mm accuracy
[12:27:38] <Polymorphism> for cutting 4mm alu
[12:27:44] <Polymorphism> .1mm?
[12:27:55] <Polymorphism> so the 6040 could cut pcb with .4mm pitch??
[12:28:00] <Loetmichel2> if you use 0,1mm depth of cut and F800 then about 0,02mm accuracy
[12:28:15] <Polymorphism> ??
[12:28:23] <Polymorphism> .1mm doc increases accuracy to .02mm?
[12:28:40] <maxcnc> i run pcb at 4800mm/min at 0.01
[12:28:42] <Polymorphism> I must have misread
[12:28:59] <Polymorphism> maxcnc, do you think the 6040 can cut pcbs
[12:29:01] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6NQ-05A0qc <- these traces are 0,2mm wide
[12:29:01] <Polymorphism> for SMD
[12:29:03] <Polymorphism> .4mm pitch
[12:29:12] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, let me see
[12:29:37] <Polymorphism> ohhhh nicee!!!!
[12:29:38] <Polymorphism> so it will work
[12:29:43] <Loetmichel2> yeah
[12:29:48] <Polymorphism> that looks very nice
[12:29:56] <Polymorphism> and it goes without saying, but its ok electrically?
[12:29:56] <Loetmichel2> what i meant: the heavier the cut the less precise the machine will be
[12:30:00] <Polymorphism> when you check the traces
[12:30:06] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, I understand
[12:30:08] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: its already in the machine
[12:30:20] <Loetmichel2> in the printer i made it for
[12:30:25] <Loetmichel2> and works
[12:30:29] <Polymorphism> awesome =)
[12:31:20] <Polymorphism> http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-4.jpg do you think it can cut cleanly like this? and make letters sharp like this?
http://www.8020cnc.com/images/alu_engrave1_large.jpg
[12:31:36] <Polymorphism> that pcb looks very clean
[12:32:40] <Loetmichel2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx3sT3kQV-8 <- it can
[12:33:00] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14250&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:33:16] <Loetmichel2> The led eyes are 3mm diameter
[12:33:42] <Polymorphism> aha! I see
[12:34:26] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, one more question. What is the z travel on your machine?
[12:34:36] <Loetmichel2> a bit more than 100mm
[12:34:59] <Loetmichel2> (or was it a bit less?) cant remember to be honest
[12:36:17] <Polymorphism> 100mm z clearance and 64mm z travel on the 6040 ebay
[12:36:25] <Polymorphism> 140mm clearance 140mm z travel on x6-2200l
[12:36:33] <Polymorphism> not sure its worth $1200 more for 40mm more z clearance
[12:36:49] <Polymorphism> 75mm more z travel
[12:41:33] <Loetmichel2> i never have run into z travel issues so far
[12:41:47] <Loetmichel2> clearance issues yes
[12:41:54] <Loetmichel2> but not Z travel...
[12:42:07] <Loetmichel2> i even modified mien to be a hroizintal mill ;)
[12:42:39] <Loetmichel2> compare:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14483&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 to
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14486&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:43:10] <Polymorphism> holy crasp
[12:43:19] <Loetmichel2> was "kinda loud" tho, and only partial because of the 1mm steel enclosure. mostly because of the weak dremel mount ;)
[12:43:20] <Polymorphism> I didnt even realize you could do that...
[12:43:40] <Loetmichel2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGNbgkg9O2Y <- LOUD
[12:44:33] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2,
[12:44:40] <Polymorphism> why couldnt you drill the side holes before mounting?
[12:45:26] <Loetmichel2> because we had a factory made 80 of these and then encountered a small "change in plans" from the customer...
[12:45:39] <Loetmichel2> so i had to rework the 80 enclosure lids
[12:46:27] <Polymorphism> ohh I see
[12:54:59] <Not-Renny> SpeedEvil, this is glorious.
[12:55:14] <Not-Renny> It's also pretty much what I'm doing with my 3d printer :P
[12:55:49] <Not-Renny> https://imgur.com/twnyQJz all the brown parts are gonna be wooooddddd
[12:56:35] <Polymorphism> baked beans for scale
[12:57:09] <Not-Renny> :)
[12:59:38] <_methods> hehe is that a solar panel for the bed
[12:59:50] <Deejay> ah, heinz
[12:59:57] <Deejay> i am hungry now
[13:00:31] <Not-Renny> Just glass, silly _methods :P
[13:00:34] <_methods> heheh
[13:00:47] <_methods> you should make it with a solar panel
[13:00:53] <_methods> it can power itself while it prints
[13:01:02] <_methods> hmmm
[13:01:03] <Not-Renny> It would definitely up the level of ridiculous
[13:01:09] <_methods> i might be onto something
[13:01:18] <Not-Renny> >______>
[13:01:21] <_methods> lol
[13:01:34] <Loetmichel2> Not-Renny: you mean like the last CNC router i build or real wood as in "not layered like playwood" ? ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11205&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[13:01:40] <Not-Renny> It might be a better idea than solar roadeays
[13:02:29] <Not-Renny> This is beautiful too, Loetmichel2
[13:03:15] <Deejay> king-size :)
[13:03:27] <_methods> duct tape vacuum hehe
[13:03:30] <SpeedEvil> Not-Renny: what wood?
[13:04:03] <Not-Renny> I have Baltic birch plywood
[13:04:11] <_methods> i bet it took forever to deck that mdf with that tiny dremel
[13:04:28] <Loetmichel2> deck?
[13:04:34] <_methods> surface
[13:04:38] <_methods> face mill
[13:04:39] <Loetmichel2> ach
[13:04:43] <Loetmichel2> thats no dremel
[13:04:45] <_methods> heheh
[13:04:51] <Loetmichel2> thats a Kress 1050
[13:05:28] <maxcnc> the kress is the berst you can go for
[13:05:33] <maxcnc> i use the fme1
[13:05:37] <Loetmichel2> and for leveling the mdf bed we used a 40mm diameter router bit
[13:05:44] <maxcnc> it makes chips like hell on wood
[13:05:53] <_methods> that was a joke
[13:06:29] <maxcnc> http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/bigwood.mpg
[13:06:39] <Loetmichel2> maxcnc: compared to the chinese 800 and 1500W watercooled spindles for around the same price a kress isnt suitable for CNCing
[13:06:57] <maxcnc> 120x120inch
[13:06:58] * Deejay likes his kress
[13:07:15] <Loetmichel2> its loud, its runout is bad, it wears off the brushes AND bearings in no time.
[13:07:29] <Loetmichel2> less than a year when used 8hrs a day, 5 days a week
[13:07:36] <Loetmichel2> i know, i killed 4 ;)
[13:07:46] <Deejay> hehe
[13:08:27] <Polymorphism> I will get chinese water cooled spindle
[13:08:30] <Polymorphism> no matter what machine I get
[13:08:41] <Polymorphism> 800w or 1500w
[13:08:48] <Polymorphism> it looks like 2200w doesnt work with 110v
[13:09:00] <maxcnc> agree but no water for the same work it will stand
[13:09:18] <_methods> https://youtu.be/irD3WosOI0w?t=26s
[13:09:20] <Loetmichel2> maxcnc: ??
[13:09:24] <_methods> heheh crazy wreck
[13:09:29] <Loetmichel2> whats the problem with water?
[13:10:25] <Polymorphism> lmfao
[13:10:33] <maxcnc> Loetmichel2: wantai now got a german stock
[13:10:45] <maxcnc> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Germany-Ship-Wantai-3Axis-Nema34-Stepper-Motor-1232oz-in-5-6A-Driver-7-8A-/321544888784?hash=item4add91a1d0:g:KjQAAMXQNhdSEiqu
[13:10:46] <Loetmichel2> _methods: that happesn if you have too mch leightweight but very rigid cars in wedgeform on the same track ;)
[13:10:56] <_methods> no kidding
[13:11:09] <_methods> sorry about parking on your car
[13:13:41] <Polymorphism> http://www.xzerocnc.com/index_htm_files/3.png
[13:13:48] <Polymorphism> is just one rail on the (y?) axis ok
[13:14:00] <Polymorphism> whty are the others all 2
[13:15:20] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: that depends on how the box section of the the baseplate is built
[13:15:53] <Loetmichel2> the front seems to reveal that it ISNT a box section at all. but 2 suare profiles, open to the lower part
[13:16:00] <Loetmichel2> that isnt that much righit
[13:17:00] <archivist> off by one error, one rail per side IS two rails
[13:17:01] <Loetmichel2> rigid
[13:18:04] <Loetmichel2> if they put a bit of sheet metal below the 2 square profiles that the rails are mounted on and bolt it into the suares it would be MUCH more rigid than now.
[13:19:41] <Polymorphism> I meant two per side
[13:19:47] <Polymorphism> like x and z axis on that machine
[13:20:06] <archivist> over constrained show any that are
[13:20:32] <maxcnc> im Done Gn8
[13:20:33] <archivist> there all single down the side
[13:20:37] <archivist> they
[13:20:44] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, would you pay $2900 for 24"x24" frame only? no electronics spindle etc?
[13:20:49] <Polymorphism> for raptor machine
[13:21:02] <Polymorphism> I still would need to buy motors drivers spindle wiring etc
[13:21:12] <Polymorphism> seems like maybe.. not the best deal if the single rail per side y axis is bad
[13:21:33] <Polymorphism> frame + table
[13:21:39] <Loetmichel2> the single rail isnt bad
[13:21:39] <Polymorphism> I should have said
[13:21:51] <Loetmichel2> the things the rail is bolted to are less rigid than they could be
[13:23:50] <Polymorphism> I see
[13:23:52] <Polymorphism> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ns3qF1_28B0/maxresdefault.jpg
[13:24:23] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, $2900 for that in 48"x48" frame, with spindle mount and table, and frame. No motors, no driver no electronics
[13:24:29] <Polymorphism> is that a fair price? or too much
[13:32:24] <Sync> I feel like it is too much
[13:52:07] <JT-Shop> damn hoe sprang a leak... in a tight spot too
[13:54:11] <_methods> you need to learn to deal with them hoes when they start actin up
[13:54:15] <_methods> slap dat hoe
[13:56:59] <miss0r> Sync, Did you have a chance to look at the parameters?
[13:58:03] <Sync> yes, I read through them, there is no "flip YZ" parameter that I can easily see
[13:58:28] <miss0r> so, what would you reccomend?
[13:58:44] <Sync> well, either be careful and have a post that flips it for you
[13:58:51] <Sync> or find out how to flip it :D
[13:58:55] <_methods> yeah you'll need to make a custom machine definition
[13:59:03] <_methods> and redefine your axes in mastercam
[13:59:30] <miss0r> Sync, last I checked Germans didn't have humour ;)
[14:00:09] <miss0r> It would be better to somehow flip the axis in the machine. perhaps redifine the intire parameter list?
[14:01:10] <miss0r> for me to use the DRO, to make sense of the readouts, it would annoy the hell out of me to take into account that it is flipped.
[14:02:50] <miss0r> Another question on the 432 controller then :) I just set the "y" height with blocks. then I defined Tool 1, which is a 3D taster dial, which I measured in. BUT when I load tool 1, and go to the table. it still reads out the height of the tool. shouldn't that be '0' ?
[14:03:03] <Sync> well, the problem is that there are different 432 controllers
[14:03:28] <miss0r> a bunch of them, as far as I can read
[14:06:29] <Sync> hm
[14:06:44] <Sync> I wonder what N126 does
[14:18:28] <miss0r> what does it translate to?
[14:19:32] <Sync> S-Axis
[14:19:40] <miss0r> hmmm
[14:19:45] <Sync> my crystal ball says "Spindle axis"
[14:21:18] <miss0r> 0_0
[14:25:58] <miss0r> what axis is it set at?
[14:28:41] <Sync> well it seems like you can set it to 0 or 5
[14:37:58] <miss0r> hmm. if it is as written under N121 it is something like A,B,C,X,Y,Z - and it is 1,2,3,4,5,6 then z is 6. and it thinks the spindle is Y ?
[14:39:15] <Sync> another manual mentions 0, 4 and 5 for S-Achse
[14:39:28] <Sync> which would make sense
[14:39:48] <Sync> I mean, try setting it to 0 or 4 and see what happens :D
[14:39:58] <Sync> as always, the estop is your friend
[14:41:23] <miss0r> I realy realy realy need to rewire the machine constant memory lock switch to the front panel - I now have to unlatch the garage door again, to access it
[14:46:24] <miss0r> hmm. changing it to 4 didn't seem to change anything
[14:46:30] <miss0r> I will try changing it to 0
[14:49:36] <miss0r> didn't change anything either. do you think it could be something with the 122, 123, 124 parameters?
[14:50:51] <Polymorphism> Sync, and I meant to say 24"x24" frame, not 48x48 @_@
[14:53:39] <Polymorphism> http://www.keeperswoodworking.com/id11.html
[14:54:45] <Polymorphism> WT57STH115-4204A vs 57BYGH115-003B?
[14:57:28] <Polymorphism> https://jeremyyoungdesign.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/photo-6-05-15-6-17-16-pm.jpg
[14:57:30] <Polymorphism> thats an interesting design
[14:57:32] <Polymorphism> for the y
[14:57:42] <Polymorphism> the 6040 machine and others have the rail ont eh side...
[15:03:45] <miss0r> i'm off for tonight. have a good one people
[15:08:02] <CaptHindsight> Polymorphism: anything you get is not going to work properly since you still need to learn how things work
[15:08:21] <CaptHindsight> you're not going to be able to unbox something and get good results
[15:08:49] <Polymorphism> I know
[15:09:30] <CaptHindsight> but a toy router to play with and read/watch about a zillion videos and books
[15:09:58] <CaptHindsight> so posting pics of routers isn't going to help you
[15:11:01] <Polymorphism> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/crp2448-2-x-4-cnc-router-kit-p-164.html
[15:11:05] <Polymorphism> I think this would be a better deal
[15:11:18] <CaptHindsight> "I think"
[15:11:23] <Polymorphism> well
[15:11:29] <Polymorphism> as raptor got more and more expensive
[15:11:50] <Polymorphism> 24x24" frame + bed + spindle mount = 3100 shipped
[15:12:10] <Polymorphism> vs this 2'x4' 2000 + ship
[15:12:12] <jdh> get a used motorcycle instead
[15:12:16] <Polymorphism> I'm also doing that
[15:12:21] <Polymorphism> dirt bike actually
[15:13:02] <CaptHindsight> Polymorphism: why don't you spend your time leaning?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqBiwZuVP0NzSu4QR91v4jQ
[15:14:28] <Polymorphism> I found a new way to look for options
[15:14:32] <Polymorphism> I forgot about the visual approach
[15:14:36] <Polymorphism> it can be faster
[15:14:44] <Polymorphism> I type cnc kit into google images and then look for ones that seem nice
[15:16:57] <CaptHindsight> you don't even know what to look for, try searching through Machine Design
[15:17:23] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/engineering-essentials-1
[15:18:45] <Polymorphism> https://www.finelineautomation.com/products/2-x-4-cnc-router?taxon_id=2 https://www.finelineautomation.com/products/complete-2-x3-router-kit?taxon_id=2
[15:18:48] <Polymorphism> two more options
[15:18:51] <Polymorphism> I'm starting to know
[15:19:46] <Polymorphism> those actually look pretty nice
[15:20:38] <CaptHindsight> If you need help finding a social worker or support group in your area P.M. me
[15:20:49] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RahTFEeiE8w
[15:21:04] <Polymorphism> Starting to think you don't know anything about cnc xD
[15:21:30] <Polymorphism> j shopp and j thorn
[15:21:34] <Polymorphism> what up
[15:28:33] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=OeO5Uwis27Y
[15:48:54] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Mill-Router-Engrave-24-x24/262358560429?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35389%26meid%3D46840a22d2f746599ca80d20c03ea1a6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D131764668794
[15:49:02] <Polymorphism> CaptHindsight, what do you think of this kit?
[15:53:19] <Simonious> Polymorphism: *seems* a little pricy for what you are getting
[15:53:30] <Simonious> Polymorphism: can you find a local guy with a CNC that can make parts for you?
[15:53:38] <Polymorphism> I';m not sure
[15:53:42] <Polymorphism> its possible
[15:53:53] * Simonious nods
[15:54:02] <Simonious> I've got a guy here I can do that with.. too many projects at the moment
[15:54:04] <Simonious> I'll get there
[15:54:09] <Simonious> anyway, that is always a good way to go
[15:54:34] <Simonious> If you can find a model for the parts of the machine you want to build then you are set
[15:55:01] <Polymorphism> I'll look into that
[15:55:54] <Simonious> I'll look into it a little bit too, might have something for you tomorrow with luck - going to talk to the local guy. He's built a few CNCs
[15:57:20] <Polymorphism> awesome, ty
[15:59:41] <Polymorphism> These machines look interesting
[15:59:42] <Polymorphism> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/benchtop-pro-cnc-machine-kit-p-314.html
[15:59:52] <Polymorphism> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/crp2448-2-x-4-cnc-router-kit-p-164.html
[15:59:58] <Polymorphism> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/pro4824-4-x-2-cnc-router-kit-p-250.html
[16:00:13] <McBride36> quick question. does a spindle count as an axis
[16:00:19] <Polymorphism> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/benchtop-standard-cnc-machine-kit-p-369.html
[16:00:28] <Polymorphism> spindle is mounted on z axis
[16:00:32] <Simonious> McBride36: no
[16:00:52] <Simonious> McBride36: it may be a fixed speed, ideally it has a speed control on it
[16:01:02] <Polymorphism> Simonious, if you have a second, I'm trying to figure out how those machines I just linked compare in terms of quality/value
[16:01:16] <Polymorphism> McBride36, are you buying a cnc?
[16:01:23] <McBride36> no
[16:01:24] <Simonious> Polymorphism: honestly I can't look into it at the moment.
[16:01:36] <Polymorphism> np
[16:01:36] <McBride36> just was under the assumption that a spindle counts as an axis
[16:01:41] <McBride36> or half a one i guess
[16:01:48] <Sync> no, McBride36 a degree of freedom does
[16:01:49] <Simonious> Polymorphism: I'll scribe them down and try to check on them later
[16:01:57] <Polymorphism> Simonious, ty
[16:02:27] <Polymorphism> now what if you were using a dragknife sync
[16:02:32] <Polymorphism> would you count it as the 4th axis then
[16:02:53] <Sync> if it is servo driven, yes
[16:06:36] <CaptHindsight> polymorphtroll: a troll that changes accounts to evade detection while posting the same things over and over again
[16:07:10] <McBride36> someone should make an edit then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spindle_(tool)
[16:07:36] <Polymorphism> CaptHindsight, diaf
[16:09:24] <Sync> McBride36: the article is correct
[16:15:17] <Polymorphism> https://www.cncrouterparts.com/v-con-linear-motion-system-p-242.html this design is interesting. not sure how it compares to hiwin style linear rail
[16:18:35] <Polymorphism> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/benchtop-standard-cnc-machine-kit-p-369.html this could be a solid deal
[16:18:40] <Polymorphism> it includes everything but the spindle
[16:21:51] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHIURuSCV6A
[16:25:48] <JT-Shopp> if you have a bunch of saw cut 1/2 x 1/8 alum parts what is a good way to size them to length
[16:25:56] <Deejay> gn8
[16:38:40] <gregcnc> another new 3d printing tech
http://impossible-objects.com/
[16:43:29] <Polymorphism> interesting concept, terrible narratation and kickerstarterish feel
[16:57:27] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5e8iEJBxWY
[16:57:33] <Polymorphism> this cutting doesnt seem too great?
[16:57:40] <Polymorphism> wrong feed rate // doc // tool?
[16:58:37] <Polymorphism> maybe it sounds normal, idk
[17:17:04] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=422T2VNI5OI&t=1m35s I need this
[17:18:54] <malcom2073> Heh
[17:39:59] <JT-Shop> what a poor time for the CRT to fail in the VMC
[17:41:02] <malcom2073> Would there ever be a good time?
[17:42:23] <enleth> during decomissioning I guess
[17:47:35] <Polymorphism> even then, it's still not good is it
[17:49:41] <JT-Shop> plugged in another monitor and it said crc something
[17:53:26] <enleth> JT-Shop: so the monitor might not really be your biggest problem
[17:55:36] <JT-Shop> yea, that's what I'm afraid of
[17:58:19] <ssi> yikes
[18:04:48] <JT-Shop> maybe the old 386 can't handle a newer monitor and I need a old VGA CRT?
[18:05:47] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: HP TIJ printheads to lay down binder of CF sheet, then like a laser printer polymer powders are placed onto the sheet, the powder/toner sticks to the binder, then they just laminate and machine/blast the regions without any binder
[18:06:18] <enleth> JT-Shop: sound more like it got zapped pretty hard
[18:06:50] <gregcnc> yeah not rocket science, but doesn't seem that interesting either.
[18:07:02] <CaptHindsight> it's slow
[18:07:04] <JT-Shop> it goes to the crc setup page with a different monitor
[18:07:04] <enleth> JT-Shop: so the monitor died and some part of permanent memory was corrupted in the PC itself
[18:07:16] <CaptHindsight> the CF is only woven in 2D
[18:07:18] <enleth> ah, OK
[18:07:29] <gregcnc> looks like CF mat
[18:07:36] <CaptHindsight> yup
[18:10:03] <CaptHindsight> SLA can just touch injection molding speeds, their hype goes a bit too far
[18:10:32] <CaptHindsight> "Our goal is to produce the world’s strongest additively manufactured composite parts, rivaling hand layup materials, at injection molding speeds."
[18:10:52] <CaptHindsight> yeah, sounds nice
[18:11:12] <zeeshan> its nice to dream big
[18:11:13] <zeeshan> :P
[18:11:23] <CaptHindsight> my goal is to just imagine a part and have it appear
[18:11:37] * djdelorie imagines a universe.... oops...
[18:11:37] <CaptHindsight> instantly and as strong as i can imagine
[18:11:44] <gregcnc> If strength is real, that may be a selling point, but surface finish look pretty bad.
[18:12:00] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i dunno if you havent noticed
[18:12:05] <CaptHindsight> 2D CF with resin
[18:12:07] <zeeshan> but makers arent some of the smartest people out there :P
[18:12:09] <zeeshan> they fall for that shit
[18:12:40] <gregcnc> I usually imagine something and find it on amazon when i thought I've got a million dollar idea
[18:12:51] <ssi> zeee
[18:13:02] <Polymorphism> just because its been done doesnt mean you can't do it better, for less, differently
[18:13:06] <Polymorphism> there is more than one brand of car
[18:13:08] <zeeshan> ian
[18:13:09] <Polymorphism> =D
[18:13:09] <zeeshan> sup
[18:13:14] <ssi> I'm in the land of makers lol
[18:13:49] <zeeshan> haha
[18:13:52] <andypugh> I kind-of approve of “makers” except their need to re-invent everything.
[18:14:19] <ssi> I like makers just fine so long as they haven't decided that their shitty reinvention is the first time anyone's ever done anything, or that it's the best thing ever
[18:14:27] <ssi> they get pretty egocentric
[18:15:24] * zeeshan just cant stand the
[18:15:35] <zeeshan> "tlar" methodology
[18:15:38] * ssi accidentally the whole thing
[18:15:50] <ssi> tlar?
[18:16:00] <zeeshan> that looks about right
[18:16:06] <CaptHindsight> I want a bolt that God can't break (clicking magic red slippers 4 times)
[18:16:07] <ssi> oh lol
[18:16:25] <ssi> I got in a big argument with a friend of mine about math
[18:16:38] <ssi> he's convined math is fucking stupid and nobody should bother with it
[18:16:46] <zeeshan> thats like my ex friend
[18:16:54] <zeeshan> who was trying to tell me newton's laws are just theories
[18:16:57] <ssi> and those of us that like mathy engineerngy things are just basement dwelling geeks who are useless
[18:17:07] <ssi> thing is, he's a software developer and makes good money
[18:17:18] <ssi> he just does lots of repetetive UI building bullshit that's not innovative or difficult in the slightest
[18:17:30] <gregcnc> TLAR engineering is one of darwin's courses
[18:17:36] <ssi> it came up because I was in a meeting at my new job where a coworker gave a presentation on target tracking in computer vision
[18:17:37] <zeeshan> the people that say math is usless
[18:17:39] <ssi> and it was awesome
[18:17:43] <zeeshan> are usually the ones that dont know it
[18:17:52] <zeeshan> and more importantly how to utilize it for benefit
[18:17:55] <ssi> exactly
[18:17:58] <ssi> that's the point I was trying to make
[18:18:06] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAKksqKR3pI general lee's dixie horn
[18:18:08] <ssi> yes, you can earn a comfortable living doing repetetive garbage like he does
[18:18:16] <ssi> but you'll never create something innovative and new that way
[18:18:20] <ssi> an that's how you add commas to your net worth
[18:19:47] <zeeshan> ssi you know i hate to admit it
[18:19:51] <zeeshan> but ive become judgemental
[18:19:52] <zeeshan> lol
[18:20:01] <zeeshan> i saw this one guy at a maker space
[18:20:03] <zeeshan> acting all boss
[18:20:07] <ssi> you've always been judgemental ;)
[18:20:10] <zeeshan> then i see the mach 3 screen
[18:20:19] <zeeshan> i almost cried laughing
[18:20:20] <ssi> yeah I feel the same way
[18:20:25] <gregcnc> so you asked him about rigid tapping?
[18:20:32] <ssi> and mach3 is WORLDS of a step up from some maker class arduino based motion control
[18:20:49] <ssi> that shit is fine for a reprap, but the makers are extending them to cnc machines now
[18:20:54] <zeeshan> just get a shield bro
[18:20:56] <zeeshan> itll do it fine
[18:20:59] <ssi> yep
[18:20:59] <CaptHindsight> ssi: you've missed all the fun, it's been like GroundHog Day in here about CNC routers
[18:21:05] <ssi> CaptHindsight: oh really?
[18:21:09] <ssi> yeah I've been MIA
[18:21:15] <ssi> I packed up my tiny airplane and flew across the countr
[18:21:21] <ssi> now I'm being a tech nomad in san jose
[18:21:24] <ssi> living out of a backpack
[18:21:25] <zeeshan> nice!
[18:21:34] <zeeshan> lookin for jobs
[18:21:35] <zeeshan> ?
[18:21:37] <ssi> I have a job
[18:21:46] <ssi> quit turner and started here two weeks ago
[18:22:06] <ssi> I was originally supposed to stay til 4/10, but I think I'm going to stay at least thru april
[18:22:07] <CaptHindsight> you're near t12 now
[18:22:13] <ssi> t12?
[18:22:36] <ssi> oh nm
[18:22:43] <zeeshan> youre finally out under warren
[18:22:49] <zeeshan> =]
[18:23:01] <ssi> wat
[18:23:07] <zeeshan> doesnt warren buffet own warner
[18:23:31] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: are there any festival coming up in "Tronto" in April?
[18:23:46] <ssi> does he? I unno
[18:23:48] <malcom2073> Living out of a backpack, using a plane to get around. You definently belong in silicon valley
[18:23:49] <zeeshan> not sure
[18:23:56] <ssi> malcom2073: shit yes I do
[18:24:06] <ssi> I flew to LA last weekend to see david gilmour at the hollywood bowl
[18:24:31] <t12> sup
[18:27:40] <CaptHindsight> Gin-a-palooza, CurryFest
[18:27:59] <CaptHindsight> fun names at least
[18:31:05] <CaptHindsight> ssi: how much of the show was Pink Floyd material?
[18:31:25] <andypugh> Night all.
[18:31:37] <ssi> kinda depends on your definition of pink floyd
[18:31:47] <ssi> about half of it was his new album, which definitely doesn't qualify
[18:32:09] <ssi> the rest was a pretty even mix, but that includes lots of division bell forward stuff which I think is iffy
[18:32:19] <ssi> and one syd barrett era song lol
[18:32:30] <CaptHindsight> ssi: was the audience well behaved enough to hear him?
[18:32:37] <ssi> yes definitely
[18:32:42] <ssi> and the hollywood bowl has AMAZING acoustics
[18:32:59] <CaptHindsight> yeah, why an audience can ruin it
[18:33:18] <ssi> it was a very gray haired, stoned-off-their-ass audience
[18:33:22] <ssi> quite well behaved :D
[18:33:38] <ssi> they were giving the fog machine a run for its money tho
[18:37:08] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adBkjcuP-3o&t=2m50s
[18:38:46] <malcom2073> Holy shit that is a loud video
[18:46:07] <witnit> anyone used anything like this before? www.edriveactuators.com/catalogs/eliminator_web.pdf
[18:47:37] <malcom2073> I have
[18:47:48] <malcom2073> Well, lighter weight ones
[18:47:50] <CaptHindsight> witnit: yes, they are great for leveling trailers or positioning parabolic antennas
[18:48:05] <malcom2073> Great for imprecise linear positioning
[18:48:12] <malcom2073> And damn cheap on ebay in the lightweight variety
[18:48:13] <witnit> they are not precise?
[18:48:27] <malcom2073> witnit: Precise axially, not radially at all
[18:48:37] <CaptHindsight> well they can be if you add an encoder
[18:48:49] <CaptHindsight> they are typically open loop
[18:49:34] <CaptHindsight> not much concern for low backlash in the gears
[18:49:34] <witnit> well I would have a linear encoder down the line somewhere
[18:49:42] <witnit> well I dont think there is gears
[18:50:27] <CaptHindsight> that pdf shows a belt
[18:50:43] <malcom2073> The cheap ones use gears and acme screws, the nicer ones use belts and ballscrews with anti-backlash
[18:51:09] <CaptHindsight> POSITIONAL ACCURACY: Repeatable to .0005 inch
[18:51:34] <witnit> yeah under what kinds of loads i wonder
[18:52:24] <malcom2073> Usually their positional accuracy is at the rated load
[18:54:43] <CaptHindsight> 10mm screw pitch with what type of motor? DC servo?
[18:55:34] <witnit> sure
[19:03:00] <witnit> I think my cheaper route is just to stick to some cam system. maybe just servo motor with something like this on it
http://www.ebay.com/itm/THOMSON-MICRON-ValueTRUE-6-25-1-Gearbox-VT006-025-0-RM060-6-/381024634354?hash=item58b6d685f2:g:MOUAAOSwdsFUPw8r
[19:03:36] <witnit> then a cam attached to the output shaft to translate to linear motion
[19:04:19] <malcom2073> What are you trying to do?
[19:04:43] <witnit> high torque in confined areas
[19:04:53] <witnit> with accuracy
[19:04:53] <malcom2073> *What* are you trying to do, not how
[19:05:02] <gregcnc> that davenport?
[19:05:05] <witnit> yep
[19:06:23] <witnit> im trying to replace the stationary spindle cam carrier and have servo actuated spindles
[19:06:29] <witnit> if that help you any malcom2073
[19:06:40] <witnit> davenport model b
[19:08:13] <enleth> how powerful a CO2 laser needs to be to cut 0.3mm galvanized sheet steel?
[19:13:39] <witnit> you can barely see the cam carrier beyond the springs, it drives the 5 spindle heads forward
http://cdn3.volusion.com/rpbkz.mrshd/v/vspfiles/photos/11050-5.jpg?1434112332
[19:15:33] <CaptHindsight> enleth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_cutting#Power_consumption
[19:16:59] <enleth> CaptHindsight: intresting, various sources I found seem to be contradicting this, claiming 400-500W to be plenty enough for up to 1mm. I guess this table might be taken completely out of context.
[19:17:18] <enleth> Like, the authors assumed a high feed rate useful in commercial production.
[19:17:36] <CaptHindsight> enleth: how are they measuring the power? input or output?
[19:17:36] <_methods> yeah i would think 500w would be good enough for 1mm
[19:18:20] <enleth> CaptHindsight: that's a good question too, even non-chinese manufacturers seem to be inconsistent in this regard
[19:18:28] <CaptHindsight> gas assist, cutting rate etc
[19:19:11] <enleth> anyway, with no details this table seems to be garbage, looks like some dumbass just copied one of dozens of tables from a book
[19:20:07] <Polymorphism> enleth, make sure you take 45% of your lasers cutting ability when you make your calc
[19:20:22] <CaptHindsight> Chinese watts or watts?
[19:20:29] <Polymorphism> exactly
[19:21:23] <enleth> by the way, isn't the power-thickness relationship rather nonlinear? a thicker sheet will conduct heat off the area being cut a lot better, in addition to needing more energy to chew through more thickness
[19:21:47] <enleth> a very thin sheet should be a lot less capable of cooling the cut
[19:22:38] <enleth> just rambling though
[19:22:56] <CaptHindsight> W/mK also varies by type of metal/alloy
[19:23:08] <enleth> mostly wondering if *any* thickness of sheet steel could be reasonably expected to be cut by a 40-60W chinese tube
[19:24:21] <_methods> no
[19:24:38] <_methods> 40-60w isn't enough to cut metal
[19:24:57] <enleth> even with *very* slow feeds?
[19:25:04] <enleth> it's not like it's going to burn
[19:25:15] <_methods> that's the problem lol
[19:25:54] <CaptHindsight> 1um flash steel foil
[19:29:33] <djdelorie> even steel would dissipate the heat faster than the laser can put it in...
[19:30:33] <CaptHindsight> if you want super precision and low power then e-beam it, but it is slow
[19:31:35] <Polymorphism> enleth,
[19:31:39] <Polymorphism> you need wire EDM
[19:31:47] <Polymorphism> I will sell you excellent machine, this is ok?
[19:31:51] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stoVs2gdc-k 300nm circles
[19:31:58] <Polymorphism> please let me know -"chad" from china
[19:33:38] <enleth> the only use case for steel cutting I have might be solder stencils
[19:34:01] <enleth> but mylar works for those as well, so, meh
[19:35:36] <Polymorphism> wtf!!!!
[19:35:39] <Polymorphism> I need this machine
[19:35:41] <Polymorphism> how much??
[19:36:25] <CaptHindsight> how many watts was the laser in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1TmeBd9338 Goldfinger?
[19:58:34] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: 1,000 unobtanium units
[19:59:10] <djdelorie> Watts. James Watts.
[19:59:31] <malcom2073> Double oh joule
[20:00:36] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: weren't you working on a fiber laser sintering printer?
[20:00:42] <malcom2073> Hah no
[20:00:57] <malcom2073> I avoid lasers, until such time I can afford a decent one
[20:01:42] <CaptHindsight> indecent lasers
[20:02:08] <malcom2073> They're so flashy
[20:03:11] <Simonious> https://40.media.tumblr.com/492070f0bb8e83da7bbf3e5f3b5d4039/tumblr_inline_o2ofa6qmsl1ty0all_540.jpg ?
[20:04:58] <Polymorphism> CaptHindsight, 1.21 gigawatts
[20:37:22] <Polymorphism> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-usb-3a-cnc-desktop-engraver.html
[20:37:25] <Polymorphism> I t hink I'm going to go with this
[20:37:28] <Polymorphism> or raptor
[20:37:39] <Polymorphism> the ebay machines 6040 z is just too limited
[20:38:07] <Polymorphism> and I can see now the x6 is very nice
[20:38:18] <Polymorphism> 2.2kw spindle all electronics motors everythibng included minimal assembly
[20:38:22] <malcom2073> So, you're back down to 2, maybe 3 options?
[20:38:31] <Polymorphism> 2 linear hiwin rails per axis except y
[20:38:37] <Polymorphism> but y its on top of the frame so its super strong
[20:38:48] <Polymorphism> I understand now why its better than the ebay 6040
[20:39:04] <malcom2073> The amount of time you've spent on this, you could've bought and paid for at least one of the machines to try out :)
[20:39:15] <Polymorphism> youre right about that @_@
[20:47:11] <Polymorphism> 6040 weight 123 pounds
[20:47:15] <Polymorphism> x6-2200l 150
[20:47:29] <Polymorphism> 6040 z travel / z clearance 65mm/ 95mm
[20:47:45] <Polymorphism> x6-2200l z travel / z clearance 140 mm/ 140 mm
[20:48:11] <Polymorphism> spindle 2.2kw vs 800w
[20:48:22] <Polymorphism> malcom2073, down to 2 options I would say
[20:48:28] <Polymorphism> depending what I hear back from xzerro about pricing
[20:48:44] <Polymorphism> honestly
[20:48:49] <Polymorphism> I'm more educated on this now
[20:48:55] <Polymorphism> the x6-2200l looks like clearly the better machione
[20:48:58] <Polymorphism> limit switches as well
[20:49:00] <Polymorphism> handheld remote
[20:49:05] <Polymorphism> all hiwin linear
[20:49:13] <Polymorphism> and just $2500 shipped
[20:49:30] <malcom2073> heh
[20:49:41] <Polymorphism> the raptor 24"x24" is coming in at 3200 just the frame + spindle mount
[20:49:46] <Polymorphism> before electronics motors etc
[20:49:55] <Polymorphism> actualyl that might include motores
[20:49:56] <Polymorphism> regardless
[20:50:12] <Polymorphism> I hope this YOC556
[20:50:14] <Polymorphism> is decent
[20:50:23] <Polymorphism> this controller is supposed to be usable out of the box
[20:51:43] <Polymorphism> its true I could refixture a workpiece and mill somethinglonger than the machine?
[20:51:45] <Polymorphism> like a guitarneck
[20:52:06] <malcom2073> Yes
[20:53:52] <Polymorphism> ok
[20:58:34] <Polymorphism> "Ballscrew on Raptors or any of them with upgrade is .00001 , stock ones are .0001
[20:58:34] <Polymorphism> In China, .0006 is just on paper , not tested to each ballscrew.
[20:58:34] <Polymorphism> Upgraded ballscrews on machines are rolled and ground Finnish "
[20:58:45] <Polymorphism> doing some deep digging for more info on raptor still
[20:58:53] <Polymorphism> before I give 2.5k to the chinese
[20:59:30] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vEtAwySvgc
[21:00:25] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkjzcnkAf2A
[21:00:57] <djdelorie> you could have built one from scratch by now... it's been a week and still don't know what you want?
[21:00:59] <malcom2073> That's a pretty loose ballscrew
[21:01:58] <Tom_itx> new MB & SSD is a nice step up
[21:02:00] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPGzV3Igaho
[21:02:03] <Polymorphism> I want to build one like that
[21:02:06] <Polymorphism> with whichever one I do get
[21:02:11] <Polymorphism> I hope I can use it to make another smaller one
[21:02:21] <Polymorphism> this looks like a nice design
[21:02:43] <Polymorphism> what do you think of the x's 2nd linear rail being mounted on the top
[21:02:43] <malcom2073> Wait, you're going to buy a big machine, then pay money to actually make it smaller?
[21:02:55] <Polymorphism> no I'm saying
[21:02:59] <Polymorphism> it would be nice to have two machines
[21:03:04] <Polymorphism> with the first, I can make a 2nd smaller machine
[21:03:20] <Polymorphism> dedicated to pcbs etc
[21:03:25] <Polymorphism> the larger for enclosures and woodworking
[21:06:39] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bSbedewI9o
[21:06:41] <Polymorphism> need z precision
[21:07:53] <Polymorphism> if you were milling through the top of a flat plate with space below it
[21:07:53] <Polymorphism> http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1ug9zIpXXXXczXFXXq6xXFXXXt/Generic-HSS-Steel-Drill-Titanium-Coated-Step-Drill-Bit-Cutting-Tools-1-4-3-4-Drill.jpg
[21:07:56] <Polymorphism> could you use a bit like this
[21:08:00] <Polymorphism> to avoid multiple tool changes
[21:08:06] <Polymorphism> actually there is really no point right
[21:08:39] <Polymorphism> because you can mill larger holes with smaller bit anyway
[21:09:00] <Polymorphism> assuming that would be just as clean
[21:15:40] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaguTbkkgIk
[21:30:34] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM6xweFxUfU x
[21:30:38] <Polymorphism> x300 result looks kind of shit
[21:31:44] <CaptHindsight> https://ibin.co/2aq3eWhTxbGY.jpg this router used free floating bearings on the ends of the screws
[21:32:38] <CaptHindsight> the ID of the pocket that "holds" the bearing is 1mm larger than the OD of the bearing
[21:33:14] <CaptHindsight> there was also no thread or nut on the end of the screw for setting the preload
[21:33:51] <CaptHindsight> it just left 1-2mm axial play so the screw would not jam :)
[21:35:05] <Polymorphism> wtf?
[21:35:08] <Polymorphism> whiuch machine is that
[21:38:58] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez232a5QVhc
[21:48:15] <jdh> heh, they got the same cutlery set
[21:48:25] <Polymorphism> lol yeah noticed that
[21:48:44] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmymrJcPxdE
[21:51:33] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHUhRe30i4w
[21:51:34] <Polymorphism> lol
[21:56:04] <jdh> I have 6 linmots on a new machine at work
[21:56:27] <pink_vampire> what is linmots ?
[21:56:39] <pink_vampire> jdh: ^
[21:56:49] <jdh> linear servo, the last url your buddy pasted
[21:57:53] <djdelorie> I read "linux motorolas" :-P
[21:59:01] <jdh> I used to work on some Motorola Delta systems. sysV instead of linux though
[22:03:42] <Polymorphism> they are impressive
[22:03:50] <Polymorphism> the linmots
[22:21:23] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX50c36z__E
[22:22:43] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNpRUhT_M3Y
[22:22:56] <Polymorphism> I may fork over the extra for xzero if still in stock
[22:24:51] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-gvawgFqs0
[22:27:52] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9qa771Utb0
[23:07:59] <sabrex> Polymorphism: Have you decided yet?
[23:10:23] <Polymorphism> sabrex, sadly no
[23:10:37] <Polymorphism> I'm almost ready to make an imformed decision though
[23:14:39] <sabrex> what happened with the 6090?
[23:21:07] <Polymorphism> too large
[23:21:12] <Polymorphism> and heavcy
[23:21:42] <sabrex> aw thats a shame
[23:23:01] <Polymorphism> Well I'm looking at low end to high end options now: $1200 ebay 6040 (limited z, only 2.7" but CHEAP, mid price omio X6-2200l all linear rails 5.5"z remote 2.2kw spindle limit switch etc big step up from ebay 6040. or high end xzero raptor cnc maybe 24x24" perhaps up to $3500 total cost when I'm all done building it
[23:23:07] <Polymorphism> thats where I'm at now
[23:23:36] <Polymorphism> omio $2500
[23:24:42] <sabrex> i havent heard of anyone being happy with the 1200$ 6040s
[23:26:45] <Polymorphism> Pictures of the 3 machines :
http://www.jinlantrade.com/ebay/6040/gp4.jpg?40286 (6040)
http://www.omiocnc.com/media/wysiwyg/products/x6-2200usb/2-x62200machine.jpg (x6-2200l)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gJ3mPKgSVow/maxresdefault.jpg (xzero raptor)
[23:26:54] <Polymorphism> yeah, thats been my fear
[23:27:11] <Polymorphism> probably going to go with o ne of the other two options
[23:27:59] <Polymorphism> although Loetmichel here has a 6040 I'm not sure which submodel and he does great work with it
[23:28:21] <Polymorphism> if it werent for that it wouldnt still be an option
[23:33:49] <Polymorphism> sabrex, do you know roughly how much time and effort is required to wire up a cnc?
[23:34:12] <Polymorphism> I would only be getting a frame spindle mount limit switches motors controllers from xzero I would purchase a chinese spindle separate
[23:34:34] <Polymorphism> and also wiring... cable chain
[23:34:37] <Polymorphism> am I missing anything?
[23:34:43] <Polymorphism> it comes with power supply as well for motors
[23:34:51] <Polymorphism> driver board
[23:35:00] <Polymorphism> or I could source separate
[23:35:24] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Ship-Wantai-3Axis-Nema23-WT57STH115-4204A-425oz-Single-Shaft-4-2A-Driver-/221582302813?hash=item3397559e5d:g:k~0AAOSwF1dURocC
[23:35:26] <Polymorphism> these looked nice
[23:35:57] <Polymorphism> I would put it all inside a small computer case
[23:36:06] <Polymorphism> add e stop button
[23:36:14] <Polymorphism> then wire up the motors limit switches...
[23:36:18] <Polymorphism> I must be forgetting something
[23:36:38] <djdelorie> fire extinquisher?
[23:36:43] <Polymorphism> I have one
[23:37:01] <Polymorphism> are there any other expenses I'm forgetting
[23:37:04] <Polymorphism> for building the machine itself
[23:37:19] <Polymorphism> I know I will need tooling dust vacuum table perhaps etc
[23:37:22] <djdelorie> don't forget about tool bits and hold-down whatevers
[23:37:36] <Polymorphism> I should start to price that out
[23:37:44] <djdelorie> a table to put it all on
[23:37:56] <djdelorie> a UPS in case your power flickers
[23:38:34] <djdelorie> earplugs so you don't hear the neighbors complaining
[23:39:45] <Polymorphism> I like that last one xD
[23:39:54] <Polymorphism> the table seems important
[23:40:00] <Polymorphism> something sturdy
[23:40:15] <Polymorphism> my woodworking friend may help me build one
[23:40:16] <sabrex> it'll probably take a day or two
[23:40:26] <Polymorphism> to put it together?
[23:40:32] <sabrex> to put all that stuff together
[23:40:41] <Polymorphism> thats not too bad
