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[00:00:30] * Polymorphism is interested
[00:00:43] <atlas__> usually shipping is a beast, where I am there are these fastenal stores I can get stuff (like all the aluminum and metric rods) shipped for nothing but the hardware costs an arm and a leg..
[00:01:04] <atlas__> https://www.fastenal.com/products/raw-materials/extruded-t-slot-bars-accessories/extruded-t-slot-bars?r=~|categoryl1:%22600930%20Raw%20Materials%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22602694%20Extruded%20T-Slot%20Bars%209and%20Accessories%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22602693%20Extruded%20T-Slot%20Bars%22|~
[00:01:50] <Polymorphism> how much more cost ne3eds to be added to that cbeam to be complete
[00:01:57] <Polymorphism> I wish it was slightly larger work area
[00:02:02] <Polymorphism> and the z travel spec is odd
[00:02:13] <djdelorie> Polymorphism: machining space is 13.5" by 11" by 6" but working depth is only 1.25", and it's a "moving table" style
[00:03:11] <djdelorie> but it's a kit, I suppose you could tweak the parts list to get the specs you wanted
[00:03:46] <djdelorie> they build it just to machine the plates they need for the bigger machines :-)
[00:04:20] <atlas__> yeah, this will be my first CNC build. I have this thing almost completed : http://reprap.org/wiki/Cyclone_PCB_Factory
[00:04:34] <atlas__> so maybe technically my second when that finishes, but I wouldn't count that as anything close to something like that C-Beam openbuild
[00:04:52] <atlas__> so I dont have a lot of idea if I will want a bigger space, or what mods to make, or anything
[00:05:01] <atlas__> just a solid build to get started
[00:05:18] <Polymorphism> build your 2nd machine first
[00:05:29] <djdelorie> compare to my "first": http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_3080.html
[00:05:56] <Polymorphism> this cbeam machine is interesting
[00:06:01] <Polymorphism> weak working depth though...
[00:06:09] <Polymorphism> I couldnt cut guitar pedal enclosures
[00:06:43] <Polymorphism> ebay 6040 2.7" z travel...
[00:06:44] <djdelorie> did you look at all the other designs at openbuilds? I did point out their OX kit...
[00:06:58] <Polymorphism> does it have a precut mechanical kit?>
[00:07:09] <Polymorphism> ah yes I see
[00:07:10] <Polymorphism> I wonder
[00:07:10] <atlas__> I haven't, I did hear a lot of reccomendations for the OX build when looking around
[00:07:29] <djdelorie> check out their parts store; they design around common parts so you can swap stuff out as needed
[00:07:34] <atlas__> the ox and cbeam look very similar
[00:08:06] <atlas__> Ox looks a lot like the X-Carve
[00:08:40] <Polymorphism> looks a lot more rigid
[00:08:52] <djdelorie> because it's a lot smaller
[00:09:32] <Polymorphism> I'd want to see what it can do
[00:09:35] <Polymorphism> asnd what the total price is
[00:09:38] <Polymorphism> to start cutting
[00:10:50] <atlas__> oh and thanks for the advice and direction here guys, really neat to find a bunch of nerds to talk about this stuff
[00:11:01] <atlas__> been flying blind for a while reading forum posts about rebuilding chinese CNCs and stuff
[00:11:48] <Polymorphism> that ox is 1400 well e quipped
[00:11:58] <Polymorphism> and thats without a proper spindle
[00:11:59] <XXCoder> nerd alert!
[00:13:09] <Polymorphism> there is also almost no info about this "ox"
[00:13:17] <Polymorphism> dozens of videos of pcbs being cut on 6040s
[00:13:20] <Polymorphism> cant find a proper one for ox
[00:14:45] <djdelorie> try searching for "ox cnc" on youtube
[00:15:24] <Polymorphism> I did
[00:17:03] <djdelorie> well, I don't need to talk you into it. Buy whatever you want to buy, doesn't matter to me. I'm just pointing out options.
[00:18:10] <Polymorphism> I'm reading about it now
[00:18:28] <Valen> we can CNC pcbs on our mill
[00:18:44] <Valen> its not worth it though $15 and 10 days and you get 10x professionally made ones with solder mask
[00:18:57] <Valen> silk screen the works
[00:19:22] <Valen> What I'd like though is a cheapish spindle with a tool changer
[00:20:09] <Polymorphism> the z travel isnt enough on this ox I don't think
[00:20:13] <atlas__> yeah, I'm just interested in the DIY-hackery aspect of etching out a circuit and using it in a 3d printed / CNC'd case, just cool to fabricate a bunch of the process here is more for the hobby/interest than anything
[00:20:33] <atlas__> it would be neat to get it professionally made silk screened etc though !
[00:20:41] <djdelorie> the only reasons you'd mill your own pcb for are: (1) you get it NOW, and (2) it's fun.
[00:20:45] <atlas__> I will have to try it out, do you use someone local or ??
[00:20:50] <Valen> I just found soldering up stuff that's been engraved is a pain in the ass
[00:20:57] <Valen> I use the guy who runs #hackvana
[00:21:12] <Valen> he gets it done in china
[00:21:22] <djdelorie> I use oshpark
[00:21:31] <Valen> no solder mask makes it too easy to get bridges for me
[00:21:42] <Valen> I do CnC a soldermask with the mill though
[00:21:48] <Valen> that makes it *so* much easier
[00:23:54] <atlas__> could you explain how the soldermask works and how you do it with the CnC?
[00:24:59] <Polymorphism> http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server2300/itwgldve/product_images/uploaded_images/c-beam-machine-examples.jpg?t=1444857498
[00:25:03] <atlas__> I've been making circuits with arduino/breadboard for a bit now, just starting to figure out how I'm going to make a custom circuit and solder a chip onto it etc, sorry for noob question !
[00:25:59] <Valen> atlas__: the professional boards have soldermask, CnC doesn't sorry I misspoke, I meant to say solder stencil
[00:26:29] <atlas__> ahh makes sense
[00:26:33] <Valen> so you just squeegee the solder paste on, then drop the IC's on, put it on a frying pan and its done
[00:27:30] * djdelorie loves solder stencils...
[00:28:09] <Polymorphism> must sleep, back tomorrow
[00:29:05] <atlas__> oooh
[00:29:10] <atlas__> so you make a stencil with the cnc
[00:29:20] <Valen> yeah
[00:29:27] <atlas__> to stop you from fucking up solder running on something
[00:29:32] <atlas__> oh that is very clever
[00:30:10] <atlas__> so would you put a laser head on it or? what material do you use to stencil?
[00:30:12] <Valen> http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/milled-soldermask-for-spinster-aluminium-close.jpg http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/milled-soldermask-for-spinster-aluminium.jpg http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/milled-soldermask-for-spinster-printed.jpg
[00:30:43] <Valen> you can order them with your PCB's, they cost like I think $20 in stainless steel
[00:31:30] <djdelorie> brass and a small end mill works
[00:33:08] <djdelorie> or a suitably-sized drill, for spot soldering
[00:36:15] <XXCoder> HMMM
[00:36:16] <XXCoder> http://eightbitradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/vigo.gif
[00:36:27] <XXCoder> convert to black and white, do 3d artwork
[00:37:12] <Polymorphism> "New update...I just finished up cutting some ovals out of 1/16" 304 (I think, maybe 18-8) stainless steel. I think I have either a miracle bit or a miracle machine, because it cut it without a problem @ 5 mm/sec feed speed with the spindle wide open, and a steady stream of kool-mist solution with only enough airflow to clear the chips. Made a very clean cut...almost mirror bright with almost no burring. I ordered 10 more of
[00:37:12] <Polymorphism> those bits. Anyone thinking about one of these machines, BUY IT! "
[00:37:55] <Polymorphism> ah he damaged his bit though
[00:42:02] <djdelorie> which machine is that?
[00:53:10] <Polymorphism> 6040
[00:53:40] <djdelorie> ah. If that does what you want, buy it. You don't need to convince us of what you need ;-)
[00:59:11] <CaptHindsight> Valen: is that for curved boards? :)
[02:47:53] <unfyhome> z axis of lil wood / drawer slide / etc cnc coming together slowly. just brazed some motor mounts and stuff... "lunch" (at 02:00 heh) time!
[02:50:15] <archivist> are you dealing with the play in slides?
[02:50:35] <unfyhome> not using full extension side mount slides... using under mount slides
[02:50:47] <unfyhome> comparitively so, there's like no play heh
[02:51:04] <unfyhome> since there's 2 sets of moving parts and only the one
[02:51:18] <archivist> erm..no play, dont believe it
[02:52:45] <unfyhome> ya grab it and twist or pull and they don't budge. i was about ready to dismantle them to tighten in a vice, but it wasn't necessary
[02:53:43] <unfyhome> is it metalworking machinest quality ? no, but that's not even worth asking given that they're *drawer slides* heh
[02:58:47] <unfyhome> normal drawer slides folks seem to use: http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/6/2/7/6/3/0/webimg/704078621_o.jpg which has all kinds of movement
[02:59:08] <unfyhome> a more typical under mount slide: http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2014/02/p_101615434.jpg
[02:59:15] <unfyhome> there's nothing 'floating' in that.
[02:59:52] <archivist> the balls
[03:00:29] <unfyhome> dunno if i can face palm any harder
[03:00:43] <unfyhome> there's an apparent lack of communication heh
[03:00:55] <unfyhome> or at least a failure
[03:01:18] <archivist> I have made my own machine and looked at ball slides
[03:03:12] <MrSunshine_> hmm, i wonder how it works to scrape a bigger area flat than the reference
[03:03:31] <MrSunshine_> got a cast iron plate i need to get dead flat .. but my stone is smaller than the plate =)
[03:06:14] <archivist> you can use a level to check how flat it is
[03:06:42] <MrSunshine_> true
[03:07:11] <MrSunshine_> will be hell to get the frekkin holes drilled in the plate in the drill press :/
[03:08:03] <archivist> I used a portable when I made new fixing holes on mine
[03:10:39] <archivist> I figured a small error in vertical was ok for bolt holes
[03:13:56] <MrSunshine_> yeah =) but i do not have anything portable .. a friend got a magnetic drill tho but then i have to either borrow it or get the cast iron plate to him =)
[03:15:27] <MrSunshine_> tho i do have a stand for an ordenary drill .. but its kinda stuck :P
[03:18:11] <MrSunshine_> hoping that i get to test the new mill stuff today =) got the collumn stand square, holes drilled for holders for the X1 collumn need to make angles that mount to the collumn, drill holes in the cast iron then i can check how stiff it is :P
[03:19:07] <MrSunshine_> but friend might come over today and help me with some work on the cnc machine ... so much i want to do so little time :P
[03:19:50] <archivist> if he is coming over tell him bring the magnetic drill :)
[03:20:02] <MrSunshine_> not same friend :(
[03:20:47] <archivist> aw
[03:28:31] <MrSunshine_> but on the bright side, atleast i got two friends! :P
[03:32:01] <archivist> well have a cnc party
[03:32:22] <archivist> done bing beer, bring tools
[03:32:26] <archivist> dont
[03:32:54] <MrSunshine_> haha :P
[03:34:11] <archivist> I went to help someone, came home with gear cutters :) made the tooling to hold them yesterday
[03:37:30] <MrSunshine_> gah, gonna go and mark the hole location and sizes and do a trip to my friend i think ... i realy want this thing done as far as posible before i get visit =)
[03:44:28] <Deejay> moin
[05:23:35] <codepython777> Polymorphism: any decision yet? :)
[05:33:28] <unfyhome> z axis pillow block made and attached, brought everything inside so it can do it's thing in a warmer area. i may be 1/8th inch off on the nut on the z axis though, we'll see.
[05:33:48] <unfyhome> planning spindle mount jig
[05:34:51] <unfyhome> also: warming up. brrrrr
[05:44:19] <minibnz> can anyone tell me how or where to find the carousel component for linnuxcnc?
[05:45:01] <minibnz> andy pugh is the author of what i have found but my install doesnt seem to have the module available, can anyone tell me what i need to do?
[05:45:49] <minibnz> does it exist in a complete and usable form?
[05:47:05] <archivist> where did you find it, wiki or in the source
[05:47:15] <minibnz> in a wiki page
[05:47:33] <minibnz> when i tired adding the loadrt command it could not find the module
[05:48:03] <archivist> seems in the source too http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html
[05:48:22] <archivist> are you using a recent version
[05:48:46] <minibnz> no i only have 2.5.1 installed
[05:48:49] <minibnz> might be time to upgrade
[05:52:08] <minibnz> oh looks like my repo's only have this version. going to see how i upgrade to the latest version and take it from there. thanks
[05:52:56] <archivist> there are some things just on the wiki but not that one
[05:55:43] <minibnz> ok thanks. looks like i am going to have to install it from source code as i cannot find a later deb package than what i have
[05:56:30] <minibnz> oh man this is going to take a while.. i dont even have git installed on this machine.. was built from the 10.04 live cd
[05:58:26] <archivist> should be able to update if you point at the correct repo
[05:59:03] <minibnz> hmm thats the thing i cant find any instructions to the right repo all the links i find are telling me to use the source code :(
[05:59:07] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6
[06:00:41] <minibnz> oh wow the google fu is strong with this one.. :) thanks
[06:02:12] <archivist> might be in 2.7 for all I know
[06:04:20] <minibnz> ok back now.
[06:04:39] <minibnz> battery in laptop died even though its reporting 100%..
[06:04:57] <minibnz> oh ok so i might need to change that to 2.7
[06:05:22] <minibnz> will have to wait for it to do its apt-get thing that its doing then i will give it a shot and see what it wants to do.
[06:07:17] <minibnz> i pretty much have a working carosuel written in the ladder plc, it takes the Tx commands no problems but when i issue a M6 sometimes the carousel will reset the pocket requested to zero.
[06:07:34] <minibnz> was trying to work out that problem when i came across the component module page
[06:36:43] <minibnz> ahhh damn... the hard drive is full....
[06:37:25] <minibnz> no upgrade for me..
[06:37:56] <minibnz> will have to find me a bigger Compact flashcard before i can upgrade it.. now i gotta go find some space so the machine will keep running
[06:48:17] <minibnz> oh wow this is not going to be fun.. apt-get will not let me clean up until the current proceess is finished.. but the process cannot finish due to insufficient space :(
[06:50:50] <minibnz> think i am really giong to have to find me a bigger card transfer the image and resize the drive then continue my mission
[07:01:36] <archivist> I usually just go and clean the log dir
[07:02:27] <minibnz> ahhh i just scraped 500mb out of the debian package archive.. they are all installed and no longer required. :)
[07:02:56] <minibnz> ran an autoremove to help things out and now i have 700mb free.. enought to run but not update
[07:03:25] <minibnz> will get a new card and upgrade later. mean time i will see if can hack my way around my problem
[07:24:04] <cpresser> minibnz: mount a nfs volume to /var/cache/apt. no need to get a bigger card
[07:54:02] <Polymorphism> codepython777 not yet
[07:54:13] <Polymorphism> I just messaged 15 sellers on ebay asking for their best price
[07:54:19] <Polymorphism> then it blocked me from sending any more msgs
[07:55:46] <Polymorphism> there are several variations I messaged about
[07:56:06] <Polymorphism> one seller said they would give me a better price if I bought direct using paypal outside of ebay
[07:56:09] <Polymorphism> not too sure about that.
[07:56:21] <Polymorphism> not even sure that type of message is permitted
[07:56:41] <Polymorphism> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/chinese-machines/303334-cnc.html
[07:56:46] <Polymorphism> a couple of replies to my thread so far
[07:58:57] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z-2NPeYTQ4
[08:00:52] <Polymorphism> is this level of accuracy
[08:00:56] <Polymorphism> when a gear is cut, is this a real gear?
[08:00:57] <Polymorphism> or a show gear
[08:01:26] <Polymorphism> what I mean to say is, could I cut functional gears for, hobby rc? for a full size rideable machine>?
[08:03:22] <minibnz> cpresser i do need to get a bigger card in the long run, this 4gb is a little limiting.. i will step up and buy a 8gb card :)
[08:03:29] <minibnz> but that is a nice idea..
[08:04:06] <minibnz> i seem to be doing circles with the tool changer.. and not circles that i wants to be doing. ::(
[08:04:19] <Polymorphism> I'll take the ATC off your hands for you =D
[08:05:03] <minibnz> polymorphisim its not actually a tool changer yet. its a mock up, just a motor and a couple of switches and a linear actuator..
[08:05:21] <Polymorphism> oh nice you're building it yourself
[08:05:34] <minibnz> just trying to get to the point where i understand what i need and what it wants and what i have etc.. .
[08:06:22] <minibnz> yeah looks like a fun little project :)
[08:06:35] <minibnz> that has turned out to be more complex than i had thought..
[08:07:09] <minibnz> i could just knock up a pcb that has a micro on it and do most of the hard stuff there but thought i would see what EMC has to offer me already made
[08:07:12] <Polymorphism> I'm interested if you do come up with something
[08:08:05] <minibnz> there might be a module/component that is already built to drive this but i cannot find it yet.. i think i need to upgrade to the latest version of linuxcnc
[08:09:34] <minibnz> from the wiki page i found it seems to be just what i need. but for now i am fighting the classic ladder PLC to make this motor spin and stop etc in response to the Tx command.. main problem is that when i issue a T5 M6 the M6 resets my variable that held the T number so the carousel goes to pocket zero everytime..
[08:09:42] <archivist> trouble with tool changers are multiple designs and implementations
[08:10:03] <minibnz> i might have to implement a custom gcode for M6 but that just scares me
[08:11:31] <minibnz> my design is pretty simple.. in fact its a slight variation on the standard carousel on a arm. where carousel rotates then is swung under the mill head then the head moves down to pickup then lifts carousel moves out of the way and normall milling resumes.
[08:12:25] <minibnz> just gotta work out why the M6 command wipes my variable.
[08:13:25] <minibnz> i must be missing something in the toolchange steps. but i cannot see where it uses that variable.. might see if using a different memory location helps
[08:13:53] <minibnz> maybe i have something else in the PLC that is tampering with the variable that it looks like the M6 command is doing it..
[08:23:28] <archivist> there are some surprises with how and when things are interpreted
[08:25:15] <archivist> I got caught when playing with some code to log out position data
[08:34:47] <pink_vampire> morning
[08:35:33] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cnc+quadcopter
[08:35:38] <Polymorphism> morning
[08:35:46] <pink_vampire> it's actually 9am now.
[08:36:40] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: yes you can build QQ with cnc.
[08:36:46] <Polymorphism> I can't wait =D
[08:36:52] <jdh> pink: was that bracket milled from the top with 3d profile?
[08:37:42] <pink_vampire> jdh: you mean to the wire duct holder?
[08:38:18] <jdh> dunno what it is.
[08:38:33] <jdh> long slot on one end, two bolt holes on the other
[08:38:37] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/sq3g4Yh.png
[08:38:42] <pink_vampire> this one?
[08:38:59] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/2jk7wO4.png
[08:39:00] <jdh> yeah
[08:39:08] <pink_vampire> this is how it made
[08:39:21] <Tom_itx> snow on the ground here
[08:39:44] <pink_vampire> 8.5mm thick aluminum plate.
[08:41:25] <jdh> how did you get from the ugly steps to the smooth curve in the top pic
[08:41:53] <Tom_itx> abrasive treatment
[08:41:58] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giOW5k_0-r0 seems like that could have beenb done more cleanly
[08:42:21] <Polymorphism> what are the basic tools I will need to use my new cnc?
[08:42:28] <Polymorphism> I know I need to buy a square probably
[08:42:40] <Polymorphism> I use librecad and then I will learn linuxcnc
[08:42:51] <Polymorphism> I want to start working in software while I wait
[08:42:57] <Polymorphism> and collecting other accessories and tools I'll need
[08:42:58] <Tom_itx> calipers, mic, square, 123 blocks
[08:43:00] <pink_vampire> powder
[08:43:02] <Tom_itx> much more
[08:43:35] <Polymorphism> I have a caliper I just got, need square
[08:43:35] <pink_vampire> dial
[08:43:41] <Polymorphism> dont know what 123 blocks or mic are so I'll check now =D
[08:44:01] <pink_vampire> i don't have a square
[08:44:04] <Tom_itx> micrometer
[08:44:08] <Tom_itx> i have 2
[08:44:11] <Tom_itx> squares
[08:44:20] <pink_vampire> I dont have one..
[08:45:29] <Polymorphism> is a micrometer an even more accurate caliper
[08:45:31] <Polymorphism> it looks similar
[08:45:58] <Tom_itx> thread gages, radius gages, gage blocks for a few more
[08:46:25] <Tom_itx> inspection plate, height gage
[08:46:31] <jdh> CMM
[08:46:54] <pink_vampire> I have 123 blocks, 5" vise, set of parallels, clamping kit for the T slot table, dial indicator, digital caliper with practions, calculator,
[08:46:56] <Tom_itx> we had 2 of those too
[08:47:00] <Tom_itx> cmm
[08:47:39] <Tom_itx> last word indicator, radial indicator
[08:47:50] <Polymorphism> wow, lots of stuff to look up!
[08:47:54] <Polymorphism> ty
[08:48:12] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: for your need caliper is fine!
[08:48:15] <Tom_itx> you just spent over your mill budget right there
[08:49:02] <pink_vampire> for engraving is better to go with vacuum table
[08:49:58] <pink_vampire> dial indicator also not very important for engraving.
[08:50:15] <Polymorphism> I just need the basic essentials to start off with for my needs
[08:50:19] <pink_vampire> 123 blocks also don't important.
[08:50:20] <Polymorphism> of cutting panels + engraving them after
[08:50:35] <Polymorphism> I have to go for a bit, I will return
[08:51:57] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: the minimum will be, caliper, clamping kit or vacuum table.
[08:52:43] <minibnz> ok i think i have worked around my problem.. T0 is no longer a valid pocket.. removed T0 from tool table. and gated my tool number so T0 no longer moves the carousel. now i just have to trigger the collet opener to open.. then lover the head and close and rasie the head back up..
[08:55:38] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: ?
[08:57:38] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7osLDWeRJ30
[08:57:58] <jdh> you can start with $10 calipers and a decent straight edge
[08:58:43] <jdh> dial indicator or dti is good for tramming the spindle
[09:00:03] <pink_vampire> jdh: for engraving a panel even 30deg off in the spindle not going to make a change.
[09:04:03] <zeeshan> hi
[09:04:33] <Tom_itx> morning zeeshan
[09:04:47] <zeeshan> everyones up early on a sunday :P
[09:04:54] <Tom_itx> after days of 80F there is snow on the ground today!
[09:05:11] <zeeshan> its warm up here
[09:05:19] <pink_vampire> hi zeeshan
[09:05:31] <zeeshan> tom
[09:05:35] <zeeshan> so i took apart my old subaru engine
[09:05:40] <zeeshan> there was a suprise.
[09:05:40] <Tom_itx> working on assembly design this AM
[09:05:44] <Tom_itx> what?
[09:05:47] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/NySkI
[09:06:19] <Tom_itx> fubar
[09:06:30] <zeeshan> completely f'ed
[09:06:31] <zeeshan> :)
[09:06:50] <Tom_itx> what broke first though?
[09:07:31] <Tom_itx> i bet the land chipped off and caught in the top of the cylinder
[09:08:27] <Tom_itx> you can straighten the ring and reuse it though :)
[09:08:40] <zeeshan> lol
[09:08:56] <jdh> that's pretty impressive
[09:09:46] <pink_vampire> what happened there??
[09:10:07] <Tom_itx> pink, a vacation happened
[09:10:24] <Tom_itx> but was cut short
[09:11:26] <zeeshan> lol
[09:11:30] <zeeshan> hahaha
[09:11:33] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure what do you mean
[09:11:39] <Tom_itx> zee does
[09:11:40] <zeeshan> i know what he means thogh :)
[09:11:58] <pink_vampire> :(
[09:12:55] <pink_vampire> any idea what todo today?
[09:13:10] <Tom_itx> sure
[09:13:17] <Tom_itx> come up with a plan and execute it
[09:13:47] <pink_vampire> I need to make more parts for the panel..
[09:14:45] <pink_vampire> but it's not excited anymore
[09:15:43] <pink_vampire> cnc is boring.
[09:23:01] <Duc> sounds like it time to build a rotary table then
[09:23:11] <Deejay> hi pink
[09:25:07] <pink_vampire> Duc: any idea for cam program for 4th axis?
[09:25:22] <Tom_itx> mastercam
[09:26:11] <pink_vampire> cost
[09:26:18] <Duc> Not to sure. I can use mastercam at home from work
[09:26:47] <Duc> and its fairly easy to find online
[09:27:39] <Deejay> pink_vampire, whats the status of the workpiece?
[09:27:55] <pink_vampire> Deejay: all done.
[09:28:00] <Deejay> pic? :)
[09:28:14] <pink_vampire> need to take..
[09:28:17] <Deejay> ah k
[09:28:21] <Duc> Bobcam is a couple hundred but dam do they call you all the time
[09:28:25] <pink_vampire> give me 2 min..
[09:28:33] <PolyLaptopism> I'm out to brunch
[09:28:35] <PolyLaptopism> researching cnc
[09:31:09] <Duc> Bobcam website feels like complete spam
[09:37:13] <Deejay> wb pink_vampire
[09:37:53] <Polylaptopism> hi pink_vampire
[09:38:13] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[09:38:17] <pink_vampire> hi Polylaptopism
[09:38:28] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/y7iJFq2.png
[09:38:33] <Deejay> ah
[09:38:35] <Deejay> tnx
[09:38:37] <Deejay> nice!
[09:38:39] <Deejay> very nice
[09:38:58] <Deejay> the 'pattern' of the wood
[09:39:17] <pink_vampire> the head caps are foam pvc,
[09:39:36] <Deejay> ah
[09:40:00] <Polylaptopism> nice work
[09:40:17] <pink_vampire> and it's coat with sally hansen xtreme wear top coat.
[09:40:27] <Deejay> sally who? ;)
[09:40:50] <pink_vampire> http://www.drugstore.com/sally-hansen-hard-as-nails-xtreme-wear-nail-color-invisible/qxp348783
[09:40:58] <Polylaptopism> sally hansen!
[09:41:05] <Deejay> looooool
[09:41:09] <Deejay> nails... ;)
[09:41:20] <Deejay> nice
[09:41:28] <pink_vampire> yes. it's a nail polish.
[09:41:33] <Polylaptopism> lol
[09:41:50] <pink_vampire> but it's work.. so..
[09:44:33] <Polylaptopism> if it works, it works
[09:47:23] <pink_vampire> yeah..
[09:47:53] <Deejay> hi bedah
[09:48:08] <bedah> moin deejay
[09:48:20] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: now you need to fine a machine..
[09:48:20] <bedah> erwischt :)
[09:48:27] <pink_vampire> hi bedah
[09:48:28] <Deejay> :)
[09:49:21] <bedah> and hi pink_vampire
[09:49:44] <pink_vampire> bedah: what are you up to today?
[09:49:55] <pink_vampire> do you have a machine?
[09:50:06] <pink_vampire> make any chips?
[09:50:15] <MrSunshine_> yey, plate drilled .. now it need to be threaded and i can start to assemble some stuff =)
[09:50:34] <bedah> i got access to a cheap modified proxxon mf70 in my local hackerspace, pink
[09:50:56] <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131731532248?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[09:50:57] <Polylaptopism> what about this?
[09:51:00] <pink_vampire> omg.. that cute one.
[09:51:11] <Polylaptopism> its only $100 more than I'm about to spend on the 6040....
[09:51:16] <Polylaptopism> pink_vampire, what do you think
[09:51:41] <pink_vampire> buy me one also
[09:51:50] <Polylaptopism> ok, when I get rich =D
[09:52:37] <pink_vampire> look very nice.
[09:53:14] <pink_vampire> 14. Drive Type: Stepper Motor (X and Z axis use 57BYG motor, Y axis uses 85BYG)
[09:53:19] <Polylaptopism> cant put it on a desk though =D
[09:53:24] <pink_vampire> 8. Max. Speed: 10000 mm/min (393”/min)
[09:53:27] <Polylaptopism> but larger work area.. .and more rigid? more z travel
[09:53:33] <Polylaptopism> are those good?
[09:53:37] <pink_vampire> half of the speed of my machine.
[09:53:51] <pink_vampire> ho no..
[09:53:51] <Polylaptopism> I want accuracy and quality finish
[09:53:53] <Polylaptopism> more than speed
[09:53:56] <pink_vampire> 10M/min
[09:54:05] <pink_vampire> that veryyy fast
[09:54:24] <pink_vampire> get it!!!
[09:54:35] <pink_vampire> Net weight: 220kg with bracket
[09:54:39] <Polylaptopism> yes =(
[09:54:42] <Polylaptopism> thats my only problem....
[09:54:42] <pink_vampire> solid.
[09:54:47] <Polylaptopism> so its a bit different than the 6040..
[09:54:55] <Polylaptopism> needs a more permanent setup place
[09:55:04] <pink_vampire> my machine it's about the same..
[09:55:09] <Polylaptopism> but looks like it might be a lot nicer?
[09:55:15] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: JUST get it.
[09:55:54] <pink_vampire> get it and never look back
[09:55:58] <Polylaptopism> lol
[09:56:12] <Polylaptopism> instead of the 6040 you mean?
[09:56:14] <Polylaptopism> I could make guitars no problem =D
[09:56:16] <Polylaptopism> but it has the same accuracy?
[09:56:17] <Polylaptopism> for pcb
[09:56:18] <Polylaptopism> ?
[09:56:23] <pink_vampire> buy me one also as a consultation fee.
[09:56:27] <Polylaptopism> and I can still cut enclosure panels I would assume
[09:56:31] <Polylaptopism> when I get rich, I will buy you one
[09:56:37] <Polylaptopism> to thank you for all th ehelp
[09:56:42] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: even more accurate,
[09:57:30] <pink_vampire> you have 3K for a cnc machine.. you are rich..
[09:57:55] <Deejay> :)
[09:58:09] * Deejay does not talk to pink any more. consultation fee too high ;-)
[09:58:57] <pink_vampire> Deejay: lol
[09:59:35] <pink_vampire> I just want a machine with large volume. (free)
[10:01:21] <Polylaptopism> xD
[10:03:04] <Polylaptopism> lagggg
[10:05:14] <pink_vampire> imagine if Polylaptopism was russian oligarch, and he say "sure no problem"
[10:05:33] <pink_vampire> Deejay: ^
[10:05:44] <Deejay> yeah, everyone gets one ;)
[10:06:15] <pink_vampire> do you mean one per part..
[10:06:45] <pink_vampire> who is going to clean the chips?
[10:06:47] <Deejay> one machine for everyone here in the channel ;)
[10:07:23] <pink_vampire> I can live with that..
[10:11:21] <Polylaptopism> lol xD
[10:13:26] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: i'm not trying to push you to the corner, but i'm a big fan of datron..
[10:16:36] <Polylaptopism> work area is a bit too small isnt it?
[10:17:31] <pink_vampire> no
[10:17:46] <Polylaptopism> which one?
[10:18:08] <pink_vampire> https://www.datron.de/en_gb/datron-cnc-machines/cnc-milling-machine-overview/mlcube.html
[10:18:42] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: ^
[10:21:17] <Polylaptopism> how much is this thing?
[10:21:17] <Polylaptopism> 50k?
[10:21:44] <Polylaptopism> very nice work area...
[10:21:52] <Polylaptopism> and the enclosure is nice for my apartment
[10:21:59] <pink_vampire> call them/
[10:22:18] <pink_vampire> lol apartment
[10:22:39] <pink_vampire> Weight approx. 2,500 kg
[10:22:59] <pink_vampire> Installation dimensions without operating terminal (W x D x H) 2.410 mm x 2.280 mm x 1.950 mm
[10:23:13] <pink_vampire> I can live inside it.
[10:28:15] <pink_vampire> https://www.datron.de/datron-cnc-machines/cnc-milling-machine-overview/m7-m75-high-speed-cnc-machines.html
[10:28:19] <pink_vampire> cuuuuteee
[10:28:23] <Polylaptopism> is the 6090 really going to fit in my apt?
[10:28:25] <Polylaptopism> not pakced, 45" wide
[10:28:28] <Polylaptopism> but unpacked...
[10:28:30] <Polylaptopism> 31.5"
[10:28:33] <Polylaptopism> doors 30-32"
[10:28:54] <Polylaptopism> thayt would be just enough clearance
[10:28:55] <Polylaptopism> but its so heavy...
[10:28:55] <Polylaptopism> sounds really impractical
[10:28:55] <Polylaptopism> but I could put it in a workshop
[10:29:00] <Polylaptopism> then I need to commute to workshop though
[10:30:14] <pink_vampire> get it inside in parts..
[10:31:45] <Polylaptopism> hmm
[10:34:52] <minibnz> argh this flow is doing my head.. i probably should sleep.. its 2am..
[10:40:02] <Polylaptopism> I need to order by monday
[10:46:09] <atlas__> I know this isn't related to the channel or convo, but this window is here and one of you guys might know -- reccomendations for a first small desktop power supply for small electronics hobby stuff?
[10:46:36] <atlas__> trying to find something online here but mouser.ca has so many things at such a range of prices in the category
[10:47:15] <minibnz> what sort of stuff do you normally do..
[10:47:26] <minibnz> we need to work out how big a psu you need.
[10:47:35] <minibnz> ie volts and amps required
[10:47:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/mastech-power-supply look for similar
[10:48:27] <CaptHindsight> mouser will most likely be far more $$
[10:50:16] <CaptHindsight> you might do well with a cheap PC power supply, you get 3, 5 and 12V for $15 new
[10:51:01] <minibnz> just add a few linear regs to that and you would have a nice multi rail psu
[10:51:09] <archivist> one needs constant current and variable voltage for bench supply
[10:51:33] <minibnz> ok use the reg in current mode :)
[10:51:50] <CaptHindsight> he doesn't know what he needs yet
[10:52:02] <atlas__> totally, just beginner
[10:52:08] <archivist> and usually whatever you get is not big enough/have enough rails for randome projects
[10:52:15] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhaI4W8d9s How to start an atx power supply without a switch
[10:52:57] <archivist> switchers often need a minimum load so I do not recommend them for bench supplies
[10:53:48] <minibnz> atlas__ as a beginner i would suggest something that has 2-3amps upto 30volts, with both being adjustable, digital or analog guages are your choice.. a good psu is a good start lets you not have to worry about whats driving your project.
[10:55:14] <djdelorie> archivist: I've been doing electronics for decades and haven't bought a lab supply yet. I just have wall warts and a hacked ATX power supply.
[10:55:46] <CaptHindsight> we used to use whatever we could find inside of discarded electronics
[10:55:47] <atlas__> djdelorie: dude this is totally what I stop, i have a bin full of wall warts and its such a snaggle snake of a mess
[10:56:13] <djdelorie> yeah, but everything I build is going to run on a wall wart *anyway* so I start with those :-)
[10:56:18] <CaptHindsight> twist ties for the win
[10:56:26] <minibnz> something like this would be good but this is a expsensive example you can get the same for less http://www.jaycar.com.au/Power-Products-Electrical/Power-Supply/Laboratory-Bench/0-to-30VDC-0-to-3-Amp-Regulated-Variable-Laboratory-Power-Supply/p/MP3086
[10:56:27] <djdelorie> ziplock bags
[10:56:35] <atlas__> ahaha
[10:57:13] <CaptHindsight> get a place with lots of rooms, put a walwart in each, unless the cors are really long they won;t get tangled together
[10:57:37] <djdelorie> no seriously, all my wall warts are in ziplock backs in a box. Keeps the wires from tangling with each other
[10:57:41] <CaptHindsight> cors/cords
[10:58:16] <CaptHindsight> my idea is just as good, it's just costs more
[10:59:34] <CaptHindsight> I can't recall having this many nicks on ignore in one week, and they are mostly the same person
[10:59:36] <Jymmm> No, the ziplocks works Using wire ties and shove 30+ walwarts in a abin and they still get all tangles up
[11:00:18] <CaptHindsight> spring break can't explain it
[11:01:05] <djdelorie> Jymmm: if the cords escape the bags and get tangled despite them, I'm tossing the whole box out before it takes over the house
[11:01:46] <CaptHindsight> is it just cords, or does it include twine, thread, rope and hair?
[11:02:01] <Jymmm> Never happens to me, I use quart size bags for everything.
[11:02:34] <Jymmm> But I have around 120 walwarts all nicely bagged up
[11:02:47] <CaptHindsight> if the cores aren't tangled when the walwarts are placed int the bin, what causes them to get tangled?
[11:02:54] <CaptHindsight> cores/cords
[11:03:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: When you are looking for a specific voltage/amperage/tip
[11:03:42] <CaptHindsight> careless searches
[11:03:58] <Jymmm> "Yes Dear"
[11:04:35] <CaptHindsight> I arrange mine with the heaver ones on the bottom
[11:04:40] <Jymmm> Like you have every nut/bolt/screw in it's organized container and labeled
[11:04:59] <CaptHindsight> who doesn't?
[11:05:14] <atlas__> so somehow a spindle of thread was dropped into a bin of wall warts I had here when we moved or something.
[11:05:15] <CaptHindsight> amps are heavier than volts
[11:05:21] <Jymmm> lol
[11:05:21] <atlas__> it was the worst tangle I've ever seen
[11:06:17] <atlas__> was tempted to just burn the house down after untangling for 20 mins
[11:06:35] <archivist> I hate warts, I want a nice front panel http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=electronics+lounge
[11:07:27] <Loetmichel> archivist: you are somewhat crazy, arent you?
[11:07:29] <CaptHindsight> one tip I found useless was to use receptacles mounted on a frame, you plug each walwart in and let the cords dangle
[11:07:44] <CaptHindsight> like a coat rack for walwarts
[11:08:32] <archivist> Loetmichel, I am not striving to be normal
[11:09:17] <robin_sz> archivist, nice collection of HP gear!
[11:09:29] <Jymmm> archivist: Whats the thing on the very top of the stack on left most scope?
[11:09:30] <robin_sz> archivist, is that a 432A powermeter on the left?
[11:09:37] <CaptHindsight> nah crazy would be having to have every knob left in the same position
[11:09:51] <Loetmichel> i mean, most of the tech there i can identify, even if some is older than me. but really useful is only a handful of it, expeciall since some are ther e in double
[11:09:57] <CaptHindsight> and checking them hourly/daily
[11:09:58] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Nah that would be OCD =)
[11:11:13] <Jymmm> archivist: kinda resembles an EQ
[11:11:50] <archivist> robin_sz, I have 432 and a 435 power meters :)
[11:12:27] <robin_sz> archivist, nice, with heads I hope
[11:12:39] <archivist> yup
[11:12:44] <robin_sz> I have 435 with a dead bolo someplace
[11:13:20] <archivist> silly prices on ebay for the heads
[11:13:42] <robin_sz> yep, I kinda hang on to it, but I do very little RF these days
[11:14:09] <robin_sz> was active on 1296 and up at one point, but not so much now
[11:14:38] <archivist> I used to do 10Ghz wideband tv
[11:14:52] <atlas__> so here's the beginnings... https://imgur.com/a/fCta2
[11:15:14] <robin_sz> right
[11:15:23] <robin_sz> I have some 10G ssb gear
[11:15:37] <robin_sz> including a 6W gaasfet PA :)
[11:16:19] <robin_sz> I have a TWT and solidstate PSU that needs a home, if anyone still uses twts
[11:16:42] <archivist> this was before cheap stuff so was Gunn diode and balanced mixer for RX
[11:17:22] <robin_sz> right, I did some wg stuff, but its all stripline these days
[11:17:31] <robin_sz> I blame Dubus for showing us the light
[11:18:10] <robin_sz> I was quite happy soldering falnges onto wg then when I saw what the continentals were doing with stripline
[11:18:24] <archivist> 132km 8mw with the old method
[11:18:30] <robin_sz> nice
[11:18:44] <robin_sz> considering the noise figures ...
[11:18:47] <robin_sz> thats impressive
[11:19:05] <archivist> most of the battle is pointing
[11:19:11] <robin_sz> yep, always
[11:19:42] <archivist> that got me into a few surveying toys
[11:19:49] <robin_sz> yep
[11:19:57] <robin_sz> and rifle sights for the dishes
[11:20:24] <robin_sz> i used to do microwave links for the BBC, mostly microwave associates stuff
[11:20:32] <jdh> decided to try some Al on my 6040. you cannot do 0.125" doc, 0.125" endmill at 20ipm
[11:20:43] <robin_sz> 7G was common, we did some 12G/13G as well
[11:21:30] <robin_sz> as you say, pointing is the hard part
[11:22:35] <robin_sz> you're up Derby/Nottingham way if I remember right?
[11:22:50] <archivist> Near Burton upon Trent
[11:23:04] <jdh> I can buy 5 replacement fuses for $5.19, or 100 for $5.19
[11:26:54] <atlas__> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-KORAD-DC-Power-Supply-KA3005D-Precision-Variable-Adjustable-30V-5A-LAB-GRADE/32313140071.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.4Whm7M&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_4_10036_10035_10034_507_10032_10020_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_401_10008_10018_2020012_10019,searchweb201603_8&btsid=a7262fe7-a977-4a77-8bae-5821ea46
[11:27:00] <atlas__> 8ae7
[11:27:00] <atlas__> uh
[11:27:02] <atlas__> gads
[11:27:05] <atlas__> that url
[11:27:16] <atlas__> http://tinyurl.com/hxugeq6
[11:27:31] <CaptHindsight> get it
[11:27:48] <atlas__> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-KORAD-DC-Power-Supply-KA3005D-Precision-Variable-Adjustable-30V-5A-LAB-GRADE/32313140071.html
[11:27:52] <CaptHindsight> unless $100 is the difference between your hobby and food
[11:27:52] <atlas__> therre we goo
[11:28:00] <atlas__> no certainly not lol
[11:28:12] <os1r1s> Anyone use these? http://cnc4pc.com/hardware/index-home-limit/a60-inductive-proximity-switch.html
[11:29:34] <jdh> I have some that look just like that, but mine were more like 3 for $10
[11:29:42] <jdh> several years ago
[11:30:00] <Jymmm> I just use this http://www.aliexpress.com/item/B3603-Precision-CNC-DC-DC-Constant-Voltage-Constant-Current-Buck-LED-Driver-Module-Solar-Charging-Power/1625052409.html
[11:31:40] <CaptHindsight> happy Sunday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I48hr8HhDv0
[11:38:26] <Polymorphism> I'm talking to mandy from jcut about 6090 cast iron machine
[11:43:03] <Polymorphism> "I just cut D2 tool steel with my 6090, 2.2kw, 4mm Single flute carbide cutter, 24000rpm (flat out fast as possible), 3mm depth of cut, %10 step over lace, feed rate was 450mm per min. I made a bowl gouge (for wood turning) out of 20mm diameter bar."
[11:51:28] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[11:51:43] <jdh> buy it
[11:54:46] <archivist> take another year deciding
[11:59:04] <Polymorphism> this one actually looks really nice
[11:59:11] <Polymorphism> the controller looks absurd
[11:59:17] <Polymorphism> but the machine looks very rigid, no?
[11:59:39] <Polymorphism> powerful spindle, nice work area, its not gigantic like the cast iron 6090
[12:00:00] <Polymorphism> "only" 440 pounds
[12:00:32] <Polymorphism> back in a bit
[12:17:53] <minibnz> thats it i conceed defeat.. i have to use python and write me a component.. there is no direct way to move the axis from within the classicladder, i might be able to write some gcode subs but python will be better as much as i hate it.
[12:18:09] <minibnz> anyways it really is bedtime now.. i will talk with you all later
[12:18:21] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
[12:38:35] <Renny> Yello, maxcnc
[12:38:42] <maxcnc> hi
[12:44:13] <maxcnc> Renny: how is it on eastern weekend
[12:44:31] <maxcnc> i dod some papercuts today for the children
[12:44:33] <maxcnc> did
[12:45:51] <Renny> Oh, that is awesome. With laser cutter?
[12:46:29] <maxcnc> no simply rotate knofe
[12:46:33] <maxcnc> knife
[12:47:46] <Renny> Heh, that is fun too. Nah, I am pretty much a cave person, so my day will consist of church, then lazing around.
[12:48:26] <maxcnc> i got 1500 markings for a MTB wood track to do
[12:48:50] <Renny> ?
[12:48:51] <maxcnc> high performence gluepaper with numbers
[12:49:43] <maxcnc> on flat its a miss if you got more then 0.02 z table difference
[12:49:53] <maxcnc> otherwise let it run
[12:50:05] <maxcnc> plotter woudt be a good to go
[12:51:24] <maxcnc> but i can make 10 at once so im fine
[12:51:24] <maxcnc> testet 20 but the table does not give me that precision on that space
[12:51:24] <maxcnc> and paper THC is not "working"
[12:51:34] <maxcnc> KHC
[12:51:43] <maxcnc> to be invented
[12:52:11] <maxcnc> precision laser distance mesurment at the knife side
[12:52:31] <maxcnc> with 0.01mm at 1000mm/min
[12:53:35] <maxcnc> at lowest cost as always
[12:54:38] <maxcnc> so yesterday the Firt Windows PC has arived to the Shop since 2008
[12:55:01] <maxcnc> i think i will get firered if the big boss is coming back in August
[12:55:31] <maxcnc> Why Trying Fusion360
[12:55:57] <maxcnc> Question does fusion 360 need to be online all the time of working
[12:56:48] <Renny> ._.
[12:57:11] <maxcnc> it does not start up without the internet connected
[12:57:50] <Renny> No idea. There should be a forum question about that, specifically I imagine.
[12:58:24] <maxcnc> will see how this comes out
[12:58:51] <maxcnc> till now shop is total windows clear all ubuntu
[12:59:19] <maxcnc> i even dieden install on the new mashines the new kernel
[12:59:41] <maxcnc> staying on 2.5 with 2.6.11 update
[13:00:11] <maxcnc> the update to 2.7 did cost me one plasma for 3weeks to not working on mesa
[13:01:09] <maxcnc> ok im off Gn8
[13:24:58] <Polygalaxynoteis> pink vampire loet others!
[13:25:11] <Polygalaxynoteis> I think I have my answer maybe
[13:25:15] <Polygalaxynoteis> http://www.xzerocnc.com
[13:25:59] <Polygalaxynoteis> The raptor is available 16x24 $1650
[13:26:05] <Polygalaxynoteis> No controller or spindle
[13:26:16] <Polygalaxynoteis> Could this be my best deal???
[13:26:21] <Polygalaxynoteis> add gecko drive
[13:26:25] <Polygalaxynoteis> and China 1500w
[13:26:37] <Polygalaxynoteis> 16x2 only 100 more 1750
[13:26:50] <Polygalaxynoteis> Sorry 16x36*
[13:31:55] <Polygalaxynoteis> 1950 with spindle 1.5kw plus ship
[13:33:14] <Polygalaxynoteis> That’s complete frame with table top .
[13:33:26] <Polygalaxynoteis> Everything except spindle and controller he says
[13:33:35] <Polygalaxynoteis> Does that imply motors and wiring included?
[13:33:54] <Polygalaxynoteis> Is geck drive the way to finish the build or is there a cheaper option
[13:36:19] <Polygalaxynoteis> tinyg?
[13:36:28] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: i'm here now..
[13:36:35] <pink_vampire> I did more inserts.
[13:36:40] <Polygalaxynoteis> hi!
[13:36:54] <Polygalaxynoteis> excellent
[13:37:07] <pink_vampire> who are you?
[13:37:14] <Polygalaxynoteis> polymorphism
[13:37:25] <Polygalaxynoteis> Do you see my latest option?? might be the best deal!
[13:37:26] <pink_vampire> stop change the nick!!
[13:37:37] <pink_vampire> like?
[13:38:06] <Polygalaxynoteis> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[13:38:48] <Polygalaxynoteis> There is a special model not on the site hr says everything controllrr or spindle 1650 16x24
[13:39:01] <Polygalaxynoteis> $1650
[13:39:07] <Polygalaxynoteis> add spindle and controller
[13:39:20] <Polygalaxynoteis> How does this compare?
[13:39:45] <Polygalaxynoteis> X and Z look better supported than x6?
[13:39:54] <pink_vampire> what motors?
[13:40:28] <Polygalaxynoteis> Not sure
[13:40:38] <Polygalaxynoteis> Can't tell of they are included. ..
[13:40:42] <Polygalaxynoteis> Here is the quote
[13:41:05] <Polygalaxynoteis> That’s complete frame with table top .
[13:41:15] <pink_vampire> you can get it without motors?
[13:41:30] <Polygalaxynoteis> " everything except spindle or controller"
[13:41:49] <Polygalaxynoteis> 1750 16x36 1650 16x24
[13:41:53] <Polygalaxynoteis> usd
[13:42:11] <Polygalaxynoteis> I'm waiting for a reply to my email
[13:44:23] <Polygalaxynoteis> Pink _ vampire cpuld you please help me compare 6040///x6 to this raptor? and also to this model I found
[13:44:26] <Polygalaxynoteis> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[13:44:36] <Polygalaxynoteis> really need help
[13:46:04] <pink_vampire> and you need to add spindle 400$ and servo motors 900-1500$
[13:46:35] <Polygalaxynoteis> Is it really 1500 for motors? I saw spindle is 400
[13:46:44] <Polygalaxynoteis> nah e it comes with motors for the price
[13:47:00] <Polygalaxynoteis> He did say "everything except spindle and controller"
[13:47:13] <Polygalaxynoteis> nah = maybe
[13:47:15] <Polygalaxynoteis> on phone
[13:48:25] <pink_vampire> 900 for small dc servo, 1500 to go with used ac servo or stronger dc
[13:48:38] <Polygalaxynoteis> and stepper instead?
[13:49:14] <Polygalaxynoteis> Did you see the dx 60 90 I linked? its niceee
[13:51:24] <Polygalaxynoteis> It looks nice! fast adjust spindle 2.2kw
[13:51:30] <Polygalaxynoteis> The rails I can't tell
[13:51:44] <Polygalaxynoteis> controller looks hilarious
[13:53:24] <pink_vampire> so why do you want to get it.
[13:53:50] <Polygalaxynoteis> Same price about as x6 but bigger and better maybe
[13:54:04] <Polygalaxynoteis> But lighter and smaller than 6090
[13:54:18] <Polygalaxynoteis> I just want the best complete setup for 3000 or less
[13:54:22] <Polygalaxynoteis> The best I can get
[13:55:22] <Polygalaxynoteis> The most rigid and accurate and nice work area
[13:56:32] <Polygalaxynoteis> and I really wanted to order by tomorrow =(
[13:56:46] <Polygalaxynoteis> I'll be very busy again starting then
[13:57:23] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: i'm abit lost..
[13:57:37] <Polygalaxynoteis> What would you like to know
[14:23:21] <MrSunshine_> https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12919078_10154046531088648_1913462385_n.jpg?oh=6c52e57b6673112f044e7769e6eddcde&oe=56FB0192
[14:24:10] <MrSunshine_> https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t34.0-12/12895400_10154046532243648_788002505_n.jpg?oh=13ca8fab85015e595f5e7bed955a651d&oe=56FB1419
[14:27:13] <FloppyDisk> That's a nice looking lathe in the background, what is it? Looks like an atlas or craftsman?
[14:28:55] <MrSunshine_> FloppyDisk: its a south bend clone
[14:28:55] <MrSunshine_> blomqvist
[14:29:32] <FloppyDisk> Thanks - Looking for a small guy to fit on a toolbox, maybe a 9x19 or 10x20 grizzly G0602.
[14:34:49] <enleth> What kind of tricks do you use to keep your safety goggles from fogging up?
[14:35:44] <FloppyDisk> NOTE: aliexpress Sale on 3/29 if you use their App. I saw some really good percentage off, like 30%, but not seeing any prices listed now...
[14:36:54] <robin_sz> lol, too funny ... http://vncroulette.com
[14:37:16] <MrSunshine_> enleth: using safety squints
[14:37:33] <robin_sz> http://vncroulette.com/index.php?picture=184
[14:37:42] <robin_sz> anyone fancy messing around on a CNC ^^
[14:44:02] <enleth> MrSunshine_: heh, I don't have AvE's brass balls to match that
[14:44:18] <enleth> besides, he never shows his face, does he?
[14:59:29] <Sync> enleth: the single screw is not bad
[14:59:48] <Sync> it works very well, a lot of pre WW2 lathes used it
[15:04:11] <Polylaptopism> sync http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm are the z and x rails better on this raptor than the 6040? http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VnoAAOSw1ZBUyYZj/s-l1600.jpg
[15:04:15] <Polylaptopism> can anyone comment on this please
[15:04:51] <malcom2073> raptor
[15:05:03] <Sync> they both do the job
[15:05:13] <malcom2073> supported round rod isn't great, better than unsupported by far, but square rail is significantly better
[15:05:31] <Polylaptopism> ok so that raptor machine is superior?
[15:05:40] <malcom2073> I didn't say this, I said the rails were superior
[15:05:52] <Polylaptopism> it may be the same price or even less than the x6 machine, but its 1200 more than the 6040 I linked
[15:05:59] <Polylaptopism> trying to decide which of the 3
[15:06:34] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: How much is your time worth, vs how much time have you spent on this? :)
[15:06:41] <malcom2073> Could've bought the more machine at the beginning and saved money methinks
[15:06:45] <malcom2073> more expensive*
[15:07:06] <enleth> Sync: as long as you're prepared to replace it every so often, I guess
[15:07:24] <Sync> why would I replace it so often?
[15:07:46] <Sync> it's not like they wear out all the time
[15:08:05] <malcom2073> Heh, assuming they're properly hardened
[15:08:13] <enleth> if you're using power feeds a lot, they might, don't they?
[15:08:16] <malcom2073> I've known people who have gotten unlucky when buying chinese supported rail
[15:08:28] <Sync> why would they?
[15:08:31] <Polylaptopism> the raptor is made in canada
[15:08:33] <Polylaptopism> I do like that
[15:08:35] <Sync> mine has a brass key
[15:08:53] <Sync> and I've been using it for 4 years now
[15:08:59] <Sync> and I can't detect any wear
[15:09:06] <enleth> is it chinese?
[15:09:24] <Polylaptopism> do you guys think the raptor would be worth 1200 more than the 6040 I linked?
[15:09:29] <Polylaptopism> USD
[15:09:47] <Sync> yes enleth
[15:10:27] <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-CNC-Router-Engraver-Milling-Machine-Engraving-Drilling-4-Axis-6040-Desktop-/291054639648
[15:10:28] <Polylaptopism> this one
[15:11:22] <Polylaptopism> 22.83x 15.7x 2.7" vs 16x35x5.5" work area
[15:11:25] <Polylaptopism> please someonme help!!!
[15:11:31] <Polylaptopism> plus any other differences between the machines
[15:11:41] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: Yes, you should buy the raptor
[15:11:53] <Polylaptopism> are you just saying that?
[15:11:54] <Polylaptopism> 1200 more is a lot to me
[15:12:00] <Polylaptopism> if its worth it though, its worth it
[15:12:04] <malcom2073> I just said that, what are you asking me?
[15:12:06] <Polylaptopism> ok
[15:12:15] <Polylaptopism> I just wanted to make sure you werent just saying it to get rid of me =D
[15:12:20] <Polylaptopism> like the other guy
[15:13:35] <malcom2073> No. If I had the money and the choice, I'd buy the raptor over the 6040
[15:14:04] <Polylaptopism> ok
[15:14:08] <Polylaptopism> I really appreciate that
[15:14:14] <malcom2073> You gotta buy a spindle for it though
[15:14:15] <Polylaptopism> I'm going to call xzero and talk to them to order
[15:14:22] <Polylaptopism> and maybe motors, but I'm not sure
[15:14:28] <Polylaptopism> they told me they have a special version not on the site, smaller
[15:14:43] <Polylaptopism> 16x35 for $1750 "everything except spindle and controller"
[15:14:48] <Polylaptopism> so does that imply I still need motors probably?
[15:15:14] <Polylaptopism> they sell a mx4660 + 3x 311oz motors + 48v psu for $450 if they arent included
[15:15:14] <malcom2073> Motors as in steppers? No, that should come with steppers
[15:15:25] <Polylaptopism> and I found a 1.5k chinese spindle with vfd for 200 shipped
[15:16:00] <Polylaptopism> ok
[15:16:14] <Polylaptopism> either way, sounds worth it
[15:17:04] <malcom2073> Does that include drives? They said no controller, but what about drives?
[15:17:33] <Polylaptopism> mx4660 is some sort of dsp driver
[15:17:36] <malcom2073> $1750 + $200 spindle + $200 drives still isn't bad
[15:17:50] <malcom2073> Right, it's a drive, not a controller..... but some companies may call that a controller.
[15:18:02] <Polylaptopism> 450 gets you http://www.leadshine.com/productDetail.aspx?model=MX4660 that
[15:18:07] <Polylaptopism> I see
[15:18:20] <Polylaptopism> they sell that with 3x 311oz motors and 48v supply for $450 usd
[15:18:24] <Polylaptopism> I will also need something elsE?
[15:18:25] <malcom2073> You don't need a 6A drive
[15:18:27] <Polylaptopism> in addition to that kit and spindle
[15:18:31] <malcom2073> those steppers are probably 3amp steppers
[15:19:00] <Polylaptopism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[15:19:03] <Polylaptopism> you only save 100 to get that instead
[15:19:06] <Polylaptopism> 350 for the motor kit with that
[15:19:24] <malcom2073> Hmm, pretty stinkin big nema23's to run 6 amps heh
[15:19:33] <Polylaptopism> (assuming motors not inclufded in the 1750)
[15:19:34] <malcom2073> Still, not a terrible price regardless
[15:19:42] <Polylaptopism> I',m going to assume they arent to be prepared for highest price
[15:20:14] <Polylaptopism> I don';t know if that includes wiring or anything
[15:20:16] <Polylaptopism> for the steppers
[15:20:22] <Polylaptopism> I'm assuming it's not that difficult to do
[15:20:34] <Polylaptopism> OH
[15:20:36] <Polylaptopism> I just got hte email
[15:20:38] <Polylaptopism> so the motors arent included
[15:20:44] <Polylaptopism> nice btw, email on easter sunday within 1 hour
[15:20:46] <Polylaptopism> from the company
[15:21:22] <malcom2073> So when they say spindle and controller, they mean spindle, steppers, drives, and controller
[15:21:31] <Polylaptopism> xD yes apparently
[15:21:41] <Polylaptopism> 200 for stepper, steppers drives +350//450
[15:21:53] <Polylaptopism> controller can't that be had for as little as $30?
[15:21:57] <Polylaptopism> I thought someone linked a nice cheap one
[15:22:03] <Polylaptopism> sorry 200 for spindle I mean
[15:22:09] <Polylaptopism> and vfd
[15:22:28] <Polylaptopism> "motor kits are on options here
[15:22:28] <Polylaptopism> They include 3 motors, 3 axis driver/controller and power supply ."
[15:22:30] <malcom2073> controller is linuxcnc in this case
[15:22:33] <malcom2073> or that USB board you linked before
[15:22:40] <Polylaptopism> ??
[15:22:44] <malcom2073> Oh they call the driver the controller
[15:22:46] <Polylaptopism> so I do just need their motor kit and a spiundle and vfd?
[15:22:51] * Polylaptopism is confused
[15:23:03] <Polylaptopism> I think this is the one I'm goijng to order, just need to put together the parts
[15:23:03] <malcom2073> You'll need a breakout board unless their driver/controller has parallel port input
[15:23:12] <Polylaptopism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[15:23:14] <Polylaptopism> looks loike it does
[15:23:23] <malcom2073> Then you should be good to just hook it up to linuxcnc
[15:23:24] <malcom2073> easy!
[15:23:26] <Polylaptopism> wow.
[15:23:32] <Polylaptopism> I'm loving this option...
[15:23:36] <Polylaptopism> canadian made and larger work area
[15:23:39] <Polylaptopism> for china cnc price
[15:23:48] <Polylaptopism> plus I get to partially put it together
[15:23:50] <Polylaptopism> will that be difficult?
[15:23:56] <Polylaptopism> to wire the motors + vfd
[15:24:05] <Polylaptopism> or is it just following a diagram basically
[15:24:06] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/1bXPMlL.png
[15:24:14] <Polylaptopism> I've created pcbs from schematics before etc
[15:24:16] <malcom2073> Difficulty is relative. If you can follow schematics and instructions you should be fine
[15:24:21] <pink_vampire> I need to make that panel O_O
[15:24:30] <Polylaptopism> @_@
[15:24:30] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: What's that for?
[15:24:32] <malcom2073> Lotta wires
[15:25:06] <pink_vampire> mars rover main control unit
[15:25:27] <enleth> Sync: what "brand" is it?
[15:26:25] <Sync> hainan
[15:27:19] <Duc> pink_vampire: think you can get anymore wires in there
[15:27:19] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: ^
[15:27:35] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Cool
[15:28:08] <pink_vampire> each axis is motor, encoder, temp, so 15
[15:28:21] <pink_vampire> then limit times 5
[15:28:24] <pink_vampire> so 20
[15:28:31] <pink_vampire> then spindle is 3
[15:28:36] <pink_vampire> 23
[15:29:04] <pink_vampire> then stack light, ring light, - 2
[15:29:06] <pink_vampire> so 25
[15:29:17] <Duc> dam
[15:29:19] <pink_vampire> 3d printer, 6
[15:29:26] <pink_vampire> 31
[15:30:03] <pink_vampire> so i need to add few more.
[15:30:11] <pink_vampire> :(
[15:30:19] <CaptHindsight> https://www.boltdepot.com/Machine_screws_Phillips_pan_head_Stainless_steel_18-8_6-32.aspx which length should I buy?
[15:30:44] <Sync> 3"
[15:31:00] <Polylaptopism> 1/8"
[15:31:18] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: PI inches
[15:31:30] <XXCoder> be sure to ask for exactly PI, no rounding!
[15:31:47] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/1bXPMlL.png
[15:31:58] <XXCoder> nice progress
[15:32:01] <CaptHindsight> so 6-32 22/7ths
[15:32:32] <XXCoder> thats still rounding off ;)
[15:32:39] <CaptHindsight> oh crap they have different heads
[15:33:12] <Sync> better get the best one for your needs
[15:33:30] <CaptHindsight> yeah but I need 6-32
[15:33:41] <enleth> Sync: standard 7x14 or something bigger?
[15:33:45] <CaptHindsight> and I'm only going to ask another 678 times
[15:33:58] <Sync> 12x24
[15:34:16] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: can always cut off, but you cant extend
[15:34:20] <Polylaptopism> servo vs stepper?
[15:34:23] <Polylaptopism> how do people feel
[15:34:26] <Polylaptopism> I'm selecting my own motors now
[15:34:26] <XXCoder> get few nuts to act as rethreader
[15:34:48] <pink_vampire> SERVO!!!!
[15:34:59] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: somebody else told somebody that knew someone once that you can weld them
[15:35:13] <XXCoder> to extend thread?
[15:35:25] <CaptHindsight> or how about those couplings?
[15:35:39] <CaptHindsight> is metric better?
[15:35:56] <CaptHindsight> I don't want the screws to become obsolete
[15:36:06] <Duc> 6-32 is really easy to cut with most pair of wire strippers. there is even a spot to do it on there
[15:36:19] <XXCoder> I did read about inches screws being better but that article could be full of shit.
[15:36:26] <CaptHindsight> do they come with the screws?
[15:36:34] <XXCoder> if your machines from chinese or any metric country, better go with that
[15:36:37] <pink_vampire> https://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
[15:36:46] <pink_vampire> I want them!!!
[15:37:12] <CaptHindsight> will they let you return them if you get metric and then decide that inches is better?
[15:37:27] <Duc> looks pricey I always find it better to buy stuff you can find on ebay later on if something goes wrong
[15:37:44] <Polylaptopism> those do look nice pingufan
[15:37:46] <Polylaptopism> pink_vampire,
[15:37:53] <Polylaptopism> what is the advantage though?
[15:37:55] <Polylaptopism> more accuracy?
[15:38:01] <Polylaptopism> if so, do you have some numbers
[15:38:04] <pink_vampire> watch the video..
[15:38:05] <pink_vampire> watch the video..
[15:38:05] <pink_vampire> watch the video..
[15:38:06] <Polylaptopism> thats 1000 vs 500
[15:38:09] <CaptHindsight> does it matter if they come in a box vs a bag?
[15:38:10] <Polylaptopism> for motors
[15:38:18] <XXCoder> machine made for metric can be configured to inches but look into ebay and other sites, see how common inches and metric parts and screws is more common?
[15:38:18] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: https://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
[15:38:30] * Polylaptopism goes to watch
[15:39:06] <CaptHindsight> what if I'm not sure how or what I'm going to use the screws for, what size should I get?
[15:39:43] <enleth> CaptHindsight: go metric, screw inches
[15:43:10] <tiwake> screw that
[15:43:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vdnrZXGhLY somebody said if you use the wrong size screw in a wall that this can happen
[15:44:23] <XXCoder> heh I would cut it into more sections than that
[15:44:24] <Polylaptopism> it does look nice
[15:44:27] <Polylaptopism> these servos
[15:44:31] <XXCoder> preserve slabs for further use
[15:44:37] <XXCoder> like repairing holes
[15:45:26] <MrSunshine_> hmm will braze hold as good as solid cast iron ?
[15:46:01] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbq1_XZBTM looks like things progressed
[15:46:47] <XXCoder> that guy is a dumbass
[15:47:13] <Polylaptopism> lol
[15:47:54] <witnit> anyone into this kind of thing? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-Bridgeport-Power-Feeds-NO-RESERVE-/162015307191?hash=item25b8dd65b7:g:oHYAAOSwu1VW8aCF
[15:48:03] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz9crxTDZxM maybe a saw is better?
[15:48:33] <XXCoder> he should ghave used it in more cuts.
[15:49:01] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: is that you?
[15:49:13] <Polylaptopism> xD
[15:49:28] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylFtZYRYOLQ maybe a sawzall?
[15:49:55] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGntqzssRo
[15:49:56] <XXCoder> thats not as good. less control over depth of vcut
[15:50:08] <XXCoder> meaning some wood will be cut
[15:50:08] <CaptHindsight> chainsaw?
[15:50:16] <DaViruz> 0009003~4~00
[15:50:18] <DaViruz> oops
[15:50:24] <pink_vampire> 4 views
[15:50:31] <pink_vampire> Uploaded on Jun 30, 2010
[15:50:33] <pink_vampire> WTF
[15:50:45] <XXCoder> yeah even my 2 videos has more views lol
[15:51:14] <CaptHindsight> maybe an axe, like the fire brigade
[15:51:16] <witnit> XXCoder: we just click them occasionally to make you feel good
[15:51:23] <witnit> :)
[15:51:26] <XXCoder> lol
[15:51:46] <XXCoder> my recent video is at 14 views. which is more than those 3 videos together
[15:51:55] <XXCoder> and postal line rider at 187 :P
[15:51:56] <pink_vampire> I'm using the G320X + dc servo,
[15:52:00] <CaptHindsight> so all kidding not aside, Phillips head, hex or slotted?
[15:52:01] <XXCoder> 8 years old though lol
[15:52:06] <witnit> lel
[15:52:08] <witnit> =D
[15:52:21] <pink_vampire> someone here using stepper?
[15:52:32] <XXCoder> have fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKxAKyyNrys
[15:52:38] <witnit> I should document all my work with linuxcnc but that is very unlikely
[15:53:11] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: is that you?
[15:53:21] <XXCoder> yeah I made that video lol
[15:53:46] <XXCoder> its not line rider ever but it was fun to make
[15:53:49] <XXCoder> *best
[15:54:31] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJMpPViOYc hm thats new drill type to me
[15:57:03] <XXCoder> well I see one postive. much longer threads so connection is stronger
[16:00:23] <Sync> CaptHindsight: torx
[16:07:23] <Polylaptopism> are servos worth the money?
[16:07:39] <Polylaptopism> looks like 10x the cost
[16:07:42] <XXCoder> it is better in many respects
[16:07:58] <XXCoder> strength across all speeds, quieter is some of strengths
[16:08:11] <Polylaptopism> do I need it? honestly
[16:08:13] <Polylaptopism> for the raptor machine
[16:08:18] <Polylaptopism> 16x35"
[16:08:21] <Polylaptopism> mostly 4mm thick alu plate max
[16:08:23] <XXCoder> if wood stuff then nope
[16:08:26] <XXCoder> alum too
[16:08:35] <pcw_home> also there simply are no step motors available for large machines
[16:08:47] <Polylaptopism> ok
[16:08:54] <Polylaptopism> maybe I will stick with steppers for now
[16:08:58] <XXCoder> largest I think is nema 52 sometyhing?
[16:09:00] <pcw_home> 200-300W is tops for step motors
[16:09:35] <pcw_home> above that they get very uneconomical
[16:10:05] <XXCoder> hes cutting alum though dont need to be superstrong
[16:10:37] <Polylaptopism> 4mm alu max probably
[16:10:40] <XXCoder> okay found nema 42s
[16:10:40] <Polylaptopism> I might want to cut thicker stuff
[16:10:44] <Polylaptopism> but couldnt I just use shallow DOC
[16:10:50] <Polylaptopism> and take my time
[16:10:53] <Polylaptopism> and still not need servo
[16:10:54] <Polylaptopism> ?
[16:10:58] <Polylaptopism> I ask now because
[16:11:02] <Polylaptopism> I need to buy my own motors
[16:11:06] <Polylaptopism> for the raptor
[16:12:14] <Polylaptopism> https://www.finelineautomation.com/products/complete-2-x3-router-kit?taxon_id=2 raptor seems like it must be better
[16:12:17] <Polylaptopism> comparing it to this
[16:12:33] <Polylaptopism> more space but less included and looks less rigid
[16:12:45] <XXCoder> that kit is based on howto guide I found while ago.
[16:12:55] <XXCoder> thread dont exist now but I still have copy of entire page
[16:13:03] <XXCoder> including billion pictures
[16:13:50] <XXCoder> oh! found it
[16:13:51] <XXCoder> http://www.overclock.net/t/755828/complete-2-x-3-custom-cnc-router-from-80-20-aluminum-extrusion
[16:13:58] <Polylaptopism> tyvm
[16:14:08] <XXCoder> warning: billion pictures!!
[16:14:26] <XXCoder> look at next pages for few more tweaks he did after he finished
[16:15:32] <Polylaptopism> checking out the thread
[16:15:46] <XXCoder> you must have better connection than I do!
[16:15:50] <XXCoder> pics still loading lol
[16:16:25] <Polylaptopism> its a bad host I think
[16:16:26] <Polylaptopism> loading slowly
[16:16:48] <XXCoder> I dont have a website or I'd have uploaded a copy
[16:17:12] <XXCoder> its really amazing guide on how to build that kit (he designed it orginially and one company offered to make a kit out of it)
[16:18:28] <Polylaptopism> still loading =D
[16:18:32] <XXCoder> same
[16:21:26] <Polylaptopism> maybe its ded
[16:21:27] <Polylaptopism> dead
[16:21:51] <XXCoder> I do have backup but not too sure how to send it to you
[16:22:38] <XXCoder> its around 80 mb
[16:26:32] <XXCoder> Polylaptopism: I know why pictures wont load
[16:26:39] <XXCoder> it was on comcast home host
[16:26:44] <XXCoder> guy probably moved on
[16:29:06] <Polylaptopism> damn
[16:29:21] <XXCoder> know of any good upload site?
[16:29:39] <malcom2073> define good
[16:29:53] <malcom2073> dropbox isn't bad
[16:30:03] <XXCoder> can downloaded without weird stuff like confirm stuff
[16:30:04] <malcom2073> Getting your own $5 a month VPS is good too
[16:30:12] <XXCoder> dropbox is fine for short term yeah will do.
[16:31:39] <Polylaptopism> imgur
[16:31:44] <Polylaptopism> for pictures
[16:31:49] <Polylaptopism> depends what youre uploading
[16:32:19] <Polylaptopism> "Choppy and growling sound you had before is from parallel port , Have to check mac address on port or just get uc100 and not have port problem no more"
[16:32:28] <Polylaptopism> can someone explain that grammar to me
[16:32:41] <Polylaptopism> I don't mean to be offensive
[16:32:41] <Polylaptopism> I
[16:32:45] <Polylaptopism> I'm just wondering
[16:32:50] <Polylaptopism> the machine is supposedly made in canada
[16:33:00] <Polylaptopism> thats one of their employees I think
[16:33:04] <Polylaptopism> company rep
[16:33:32] <XXCoder> arciving
[16:33:38] <Polylaptopism> could it really be china??
[16:33:43] <malcom2073> Could be
[16:33:51] <malcom2073> Could be a chinese company with a canadian division
[16:33:59] <Polylaptopism> its still a nicer machine I suppose
[16:34:01] <malcom2073> Could be a canadian company with a chinese division
[16:34:04] <Polylaptopism> it says made in canada
[16:34:12] <malcom2073> "made" has no legally binding meaning
[16:34:13] <malcom2073> :P
[16:34:14] <Polylaptopism> whatever that really means
[16:34:15] <Polylaptopism> right
[16:34:26] <Polylaptopism> could just be packaged up there from chinese parts
[16:34:35] <Polylaptopism> assembled for testing
[16:34:37] <Polylaptopism> then broken down for shipping
[16:34:41] <Polylaptopism> there you have it
[16:34:44] <Polylaptopism> made in canada
[16:34:49] <Sync> or just relabeled
[16:34:51] <Polylaptopism> =S
[16:34:53] <Polylaptopism> bugt
[16:34:57] <Polylaptopism> it looks like a better machine either way
[16:35:02] <Polylaptopism> for similar money
[16:35:05] <Polylaptopism> so it doesnt really matter
[16:35:15] <Polylaptopism> I emailed for more specs
[16:35:18] <Polylaptopism> will order tonight or tomorrow
[16:35:27] <Polylaptopism> it seems to be phone only
[16:35:50] <XXCoder> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/archive.tar.gz once sync is complete
[16:36:25] <Polylaptopism> ty
[16:36:39] <XXCoder> it contains one htm and a folder
[16:36:44] <XXCoder> folder cannot be renamed
[16:36:56] <Polylaptopism> https://www.finelineautomation.com/products/complete-2-x3-router-kit?taxon_id=2
[16:37:01] <Polylaptopism> how does this machine compare to the raptor?
[16:37:09] <Polylaptopism> looks like it would be similar money when all is said and done
[16:37:22] <Polylaptopism> neither comes with motors or controller or spindle etc
[16:37:32] <Polylaptopism> a couple hundred more for the raptor
[16:37:43] <Polylaptopism> 1400 vs 1750
[16:37:45] <Polylaptopism> different work areas of course
[16:37:53] <Polylaptopism> but I'm assuming the raptor is a much nicer machine
[16:37:55] <Polylaptopism> is this true?
[16:38:00] <Polylaptopism> it also comes with a table for that price
[16:38:01] * malcom2073 debatings finding another decent machine just to troll....
[16:38:03] <malcom2073> but I won't
[16:38:03] <malcom2073> :P
[16:38:21] <Polylaptopism> I already found one...
[16:38:27] <XXCoder> Pee on it, malcom2073
[16:38:42] <Polylaptopism> http://www.dxcncrouter.com/2013/1204/59.html
[16:38:44] <Polylaptopism> 2k complete
[16:40:20] <Polylaptopism> I have to figure out this choice before I order
[16:40:26] <Polylaptopism> I think the raptor is nicer than the fineline kit
[16:40:32] <Polylaptopism> even though its a smaller work area
[16:40:34] <Polylaptopism> I dont need the larger one
[16:40:38] <Polylaptopism> or is it a comparable machine??/
[16:40:47] <Polylaptopism> and how does this new dx6090 option compare to these two?
[16:41:01] <Polylaptopism> AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:41:31] * Polylaptopism 's head explodes
[16:42:00] <XXCoder> did arcive successfully download?
[16:42:39] <Polylaptopism> dling now
[16:42:43] <Polylaptopism> ty
[16:42:46] <Polylaptopism> this is no joke people
[16:42:53] <Polylaptopism> I really need to pick one of these 3 cncs
[16:43:01] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: you missed this earlier <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131731532248?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT what about this?
[16:43:24] <XXCoder> that one is interesting
[16:43:25] <Polylaptopism> I realized it would be absurdly large for my apartment
[16:43:30] <Polylaptopism> its a great deal though
[16:43:32] <XXCoder> is cabient included I wonder
[16:43:32] <Polylaptopism> but its rods
[16:43:36] <Polylaptopism> the b version is better
[16:43:37] <Polylaptopism> yes
[16:43:38] <Polylaptopism> it is
[16:43:40] <malcom2073> Heh
[16:43:43] <Polylaptopism> but the b version with linear rails is the one to go with
[16:43:45] <Polylaptopism> around 3k or so
[16:43:48] <Polylaptopism> but its WAY too big
[16:43:51] <Polylaptopism> I honestly considered it
[16:43:54] <Polylaptopism> too much thoigh
[16:43:58] <Polylaptopism> so my choice is
[16:44:22] <Polylaptopism> https://www.finelineautomation.com/products/complete-2-x3-router-kit?taxon_id=2
[16:44:23] <Polylaptopism> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[16:44:38] <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1500w-4-Axis-CNC-6040-Router-Drilling-Milling-Professional-Engraver-Machine-/171456563604
[16:44:55] <Polylaptopism> I really need to order by tomorrow =\
[16:44:59] <Polylaptopism> this sucks
[16:45:22] <Polylaptopism> terrible decision
[16:45:32] <Polylaptopism> and I can't live with regret
[16:45:34] <malcom2073> Only because you're making it so
[16:45:41] <XXCoder> roll a dice, mod 0 is first, mod 1 is second, mod 2 is third ;)
[16:45:48] <Polylaptopism> lol
[16:45:55] <malcom2073> If youcan't live with regret, CNC is the wrong place for you
[16:45:59] <Polylaptopism> what if you were picking between those 3?
[16:46:03] <Polylaptopism> which would you go with
[16:46:10] <XXCoder> that kit probably will take while to build but well you will ssee once you unarcive it and read thread
[16:46:16] <Polylaptopism> assume raptor has 1.5kw spindle and nice motors and controller added
[16:46:27] <Polylaptopism> its dled I will take a look shortly
[16:46:28] <malcom2073> My answer stays the same
[16:46:45] <Polylaptopism> a vote for raptor
[16:47:05] <malcom2073> Yep
[16:47:23] <Polylaptopism> I'll see what his email reply says
[16:49:33] <CaptHindsight> same price, looks the same, but different pictures http://www.ebay.com/itm/24x36-CNC-router-machine-on-sale-free-ship-JCUT-6090B/121830706414
[16:50:09] <CaptHindsight> ah $400 more
[16:58:05] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhjiIPohUyw&feature=em-subs_digest very nice
[16:58:21] <CaptHindsight> ok, I pulled the trigger on one, 6-32 22/7ths" long Torx head
[17:05:41] <XXCoder> man
[17:05:44] <XXCoder> awesome video
[17:08:56] <Polygalaxynoteis> captn
[17:09:07] <Polygalaxynoteis> You like that 6090b more?
[17:09:26] <Polygalaxynoteis> It's too big I think
[17:10:53] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: the 6090 is 220V
[17:11:14] <Polygalaxynoteis> It's also too big
[17:11:17] <Polygalaxynoteis> 700 lbs
[17:11:24] <Polygalaxynoteis> and won't fit through the door
[17:14:47] <XXCoder> Polygalaxynoteis: what ya think of that machine heh
[17:14:52] <XXCoder> after reading its build details
[17:15:16] <Polygalaxynoteis> on my phone I will look shortly
[17:16:03] <Polygalaxynoteis> https://youtu.be/ctGWgUekxWA
[17:16:18] <Polygalaxynoteis> What do you think of the xzero performance here?
[17:18:32] <XXCoder> dunno. though I wonder if that guy will fill in cuts weith some black print to make it easier to read
[17:19:18] <XXCoder> apparently not
[17:19:23] <Polygalaxynoteis> nope
[17:19:47] <Polygalaxynoteis> Looks accurate enough to cut my 4 mm alu panels
[17:19:55] <XXCoder> should be fairly simple, cover in dye, then spin it and lightly polish out general covering
[17:19:55] <Polygalaxynoteis> I think
[17:20:09] <XXCoder> yeah most machines you ponder can do that
[17:20:12] <Polygalaxynoteis> That would look nice
[17:20:35] <XXCoder> its not that hard to get .001"
[17:20:49] <XXCoder> now challenge is .0001" precision heh
[17:21:38] <Polygalaxynoteis> I don't need that xD
[17:21:57] <Deejay> gn8
[17:22:13] <Polygalaxynoteis> Could I cut functional gears for human sized machines?
[17:24:05] <Polygalaxynoteis> I'm about to call xzero
[17:24:12] <Polygalaxynoteis> easter Sunday sales support
[17:24:19] <Polygalaxynoteis> Hope service is as good
[17:24:40] <Polygalaxynoteis> Although It's really a frame im buying
[17:24:52] <Polygalaxynoteis> Hopefully not much could be wrong
[17:27:42] <XXCoder> interesting video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnODe8JgW9E
[17:28:14] <XXCoder> wood looks weird
[17:29:31] <XXCoder> ah splalted breech
[17:29:36] <Polygalaxynoteis> lolllllll at end result
[17:32:48] <XXCoder> lol uysing cd to clean chips off
[17:42:43] <XXCoder> oops
[17:43:33] <Polygalaxynoteis> Anyone else care to comment on the choice of raptor 6040 or dx6090?
[17:43:46] <Polygalaxynoteis> George will call soon
[17:47:10] <XXCoder> oops again
[17:47:41] <Polygalaxynoteis> ?
[17:47:48] <XXCoder> that video and 2nd part of ut
[17:47:52] <XXCoder> hes having bit problems
[17:47:53] <Polygalaxynoteis> lol
[17:48:00] <Polygalaxynoteis> his end result is odd
[17:48:58] <malcom2073> CD goblet eh?
[17:49:01] <malcom2073> That's odd, but kinda cool
[17:51:53] <XXCoder> too bad about his second breakage, it'd be even otherwise
[17:51:58] <XXCoder> but does look cool
[17:52:29] <XXCoder> I probably would have used drum drill bit and made smaller disks though
[17:53:49] <XXCoder> still my most favorite turn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAe2kIVJ0QI
[17:55:50] <Polylaptopism> http://youtub.one/watch/V9qa771Utb0/xzero-raptor.html
[17:55:52] <Polylaptopism> is it nice?
[17:56:35] <malcom2073> Whats with the guitars?
[17:56:39] <jthornton> $sql = "SELECT DISTINCT city, state FROM rescue WHERE state='$state' ORDER BY city ASC";
[17:57:03] <jthornton> I'm trying to get the cities with the state but my sql is failing
[17:57:06] <jthornton> any clues
[17:57:41] <Polylaptopism> why arent yo using prepared statements?
[17:57:55] <Polylaptopism> or are you
[17:57:58] <Polylaptopism> need to see more code
[17:58:41] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15527833/
[17:58:48] <Polylaptopism> http://youtub.one/watch/khDZtyvRPPo/xzero-cnc-axis-accuracy-check.html
[17:59:21] <jthornton> oh I think I see a problem...
[17:59:30] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: Those videos aren't loading forme
[17:59:44] <Tom_itx> jthornton, do you want them all?
[17:59:52] <Tom_itx> http://www.farinspace.com/us-cities-and-state-sql-dump/
[18:00:10] <Polylaptopism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDZtyvRPPo
[18:00:12] <Polylaptopism> this one will load, sorry
[18:00:19] <jthornton> I need the cities distinct plus the state for a state
[18:00:50] <Polylaptopism> is this a problem
[18:00:59] <Polylaptopism> you should also use prepared statements I think
[18:01:05] <Polylaptopism> to prevent sql injection
[18:01:37] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: It's only a problemi f you think it's a problem
[18:01:53] <jthornton> I don't know what prepared statements is
[18:02:00] <Polylaptopism> I dont know cnc
[18:02:10] <Polylaptopism> is the chinese 6040 going to be any better?
[18:02:26] <Tom_itx> i don't know sql much at all
[18:02:32] <jthornton> Tom_itx: go to search by state then city http://gnipsel.com/spyder/
[18:02:42] <malcom2073> 5 thousanths is probably perfectly fine for your uses
[18:02:45] <jthornton> click on ohio then madison
[18:02:49] <Tom_itx> jthornton, why not zipcode
[18:03:02] <Polylaptopism> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prepared_statement
[18:03:04] <jthornton> who know a zipcode
[18:03:09] <jthornton> knows
[18:03:13] <Tom_itx> google
[18:03:40] <malcom2073> there's a google api for that iirc
[18:03:41] <Tom_itx> i download taxrates by zipcode every quarter from my state
[18:03:57] <jthornton> did you go to the link?
[18:04:22] <Tom_itx> did now
[18:04:52] <jthornton> do you think googling a zip code when your broke down on the side of the road is a good idea?
[18:05:04] <Polylaptopism> malcom2073, does that mean I can only be as accurate as .005?
[18:05:08] <Tom_itx> if you have a smartphone it's not hard
[18:05:59] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: Technically, that measn you can only be as precise as 0.005" over the length of the x axis.
[18:06:10] <jthornton> might be hard for many and when your stressed out you don't need hard to do things
[18:06:19] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:08:11] <Polylaptopism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tDYi-mVSf4
[18:09:22] <malcom2073> cue makers are..... a weird bunch
[18:11:42] <malcom2073> Me and my dad helped make first a rig to go on a tablesaw for cutting cues from a template, then later made one out of an old atlas lathe and router
[18:11:57] <malcom2073> Cues go for like, $5-10k
[18:13:00] <XXCoder> make one out of cds
[18:13:12] <malcom2073> Hehe
[18:17:05] <pink_vampire> I'm back to here.
[18:23:15] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: it's very light cut.
[18:25:26] <pink_vampire> so yeah it has very nice travel but you cant learn anything about rigidity from this video.
[18:25:31] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: ^
[19:17:57] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12316446_954259671330512_4302914621658281402_n.jpg?oh=c6ecb4885b08e86616f5f7982b864642&oe=5792A4C2
[19:18:02] <Polylaptopism> this is a cut from the raptor
[19:18:10] <Polylaptopism> superior to 6040?
[19:18:23] <Polylaptopism> its a lot more cash but I think it may be worth it
[19:24:08] <malcom2073> Insufficient information to make that determination
[19:24:42] <malcom2073> However, the linear system and frame both look superior on the raptor, as previously said.
[19:25:24] <Polylaptopism> what material is that hes holding?
[19:25:31] <malcom2073> Metal of some kind
[19:25:41] <Polylaptopism> 1/2" al?
[19:25:49] <Polylaptopism> OH I see
[19:25:51] <Polylaptopism> the top piece
[19:25:53] <Polylaptopism> I just noticed
[19:25:59] <malcom2073> Looks like 1/4 something
[19:26:47] <Polylaptopism> yeah it took me looking at it a few times
[19:26:51] <Polylaptopism> hes trying to show the accuracy I think
[19:26:56] <Polylaptopism> I realized the top is two pieces
[19:26:59] <malcom2073> cut quality, not accuracy
[19:27:33] <Polylaptopism> i see
[19:31:05] <pink_vampire> also aluminum is VERY easy to cut.
[19:31:45] <djdelorie> unless your machine is made of plywood :-)
[19:32:20] <pink_vampire> even with plywood machine.
[19:33:18] <Polylaptopism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oR_Sy1CpFw
[19:33:21] <Polylaptopism> can I expect results like this?
[19:33:39] <malcom2073> You could get results like that from the 6040, or even less
[19:35:00] <pink_vampire> but not from G0704
[19:35:14] <malcom2073> If you strap a high speed spindle on, you could :P
[19:35:24] <Polylaptopism> I hope I'm not making a mistake if I get the xzero machine...
[19:35:34] <Polylaptopism> what if the 6040 is all I need
[19:35:41] <Polylaptopism> and I have 1200 left for tools bits vice etc
[19:35:43] <Polylaptopism> stock
[19:36:17] <djdelorie> no matter what machine you get, you will eventually use it to its limits
[19:36:41] <Polylaptopism> the alternative though, what if the 6040 leaves me wanting more and I regret not getting the nicer machine
[19:36:50] <Polylaptopism> its also a tradeoff, smaller workspace for more quality
[19:36:55] <Polylaptopism> the raptor is 12.5x30"
[19:36:58] <Polylaptopism> x5.5"
[19:37:57] <Polylaptopism> 22.83x 15.7x 2.7" on the 6040
[19:38:40] <djdelorie> you mean bigger workspace for more quality then...
[19:38:56] <Polylaptopism> yes.
[19:39:15] <djdelorie> I would go with the one with more workspace and more quality, no brainer
[19:39:23] <Polylaptopism> one has more quality, one has more workspace
[19:39:28] <Polylaptopism> more workspace one costs less
[19:39:37] <Polylaptopism> this is tricky
[19:39:42] <djdelorie> the raptor has more Y and more Z, and only a little less X. Raptor wins
[19:39:43] <Polylaptopism> I know I dont want the big cast iron machine
[19:40:00] <Polylaptopism> hm,
[19:40:03] <Polylaptopism> that is true
[19:40:11] <Polylaptopism> the raptor also seems more suited to making real parts
[19:40:13] <Polylaptopism> for machines
[19:40:18] <Polylaptopism> which I would like to do down the road
[19:40:25] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: few inches make huge difference
[19:40:34] <Polylaptopism> pink_vampire, in z?
[19:40:43] <pink_vampire> yes !
[19:40:49] <malcom2073> Heyyohh
[19:40:59] <djdelorie> three more inches leaves room for a vacuum table, for example
[19:41:14] <Polylaptopism> oh;... didnt even think of that
[19:41:18] <Polylaptopism> he said it was...
[19:41:21] <Polylaptopism> 4.3" I think
[19:41:21] <malcom2073> And a vacuum table would be greatly beneficial for doing sheet metal work
[19:41:25] <Polylaptopism> z part clearance
[19:41:52] <Polylaptopism> the 6040 is.... let me look
[19:42:23] <Polylaptopism> 3.9" max thickness
[19:42:27] <Polylaptopism> comparable z clearance
[19:42:35] <Polylaptopism> but much more z travel on the raptor
[19:42:58] <pink_vampire> but you can lift the brigde on the 6040 for 1" and put the vacuum table
[19:43:08] <sabrex> the omiocnc 6040 has more z-travel than normal ones
[19:43:34] <sabrex> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[19:43:48] <Polylaptopism> I saw that
[19:43:52] <Polylaptopism> the x6-2200l
[19:43:56] <Polylaptopism> that is $2500 shipped
[19:43:59] <Polylaptopism> so same price as the raptor
[19:44:03] <Polylaptopism> so yes, if you know about the x6
[19:44:07] <Polylaptopism> thats really the choice vs raptor
[19:44:11] <Polylaptopism> or, save money get generic 6040
[19:44:16] <Polylaptopism> this is my ultimate choice now
[19:44:20] <Polylaptopism> its destroying my psyche
[19:44:41] <djdelorie> buy them both and decide which is better later :-)
[19:44:47] <Polylaptopism> lol
[19:45:01] <Polylaptopism> I need to save money for rigol oscilloscope etc
[19:45:09] <pink_vampire> the one that you don't want give me.
[19:45:10] <sabrex> what does the raptor cost?
[19:45:16] <pink_vampire> paint in pink!
[19:45:39] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, equipped as I like it will be $2500 total shipped once I purchase spindle wiring etc
[19:45:51] <sabrex> ive heard the generic 6040s are all garbage
[19:45:55] <Polylaptopism> so exactly the same as x6-2200l
[19:46:10] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12316446_954259671330512_4302914621658281402_n.jpg?oh=c6ecb4885b08e86616f5f7982b864642&oe=5792A4C2
[19:46:14] <Polylaptopism> those are cuts from the raptor
[19:47:30] <Polylaptopism> so the raptor is ... 12.5x30x5.5"
[19:47:32] <Polylaptopism> work area
[19:47:53] <Polylaptopism> vs 22.83x 15.7x 5.5" on the x6
[19:47:53] <pink_vampire> ask him to cut high and narrow part from hot rolled steel
[19:48:02] <Polylaptopism> (2;.7" Z ON THE 6040)
[19:48:24] <Polylaptopism> plus whatever quality differences there may be
[19:48:27] <pink_vampire> then ask him to measure the top and bottom
[19:48:27] <Polylaptopism> between the two machines
[19:48:30] <Polylaptopism> he says alu is no problem
[19:48:34] <Polylaptopism> even steel it can handle he says
[19:49:28] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24hHwV6SejI
[19:49:39] <sabrex> do you have a link to the raptor at that price? the site is pretty hard to navigate
[19:49:40] <malcom2073> I've seen people cut steel on quite a lot of things that they really shouldn't be
[19:50:06] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, talk to george if youre interested
[19:50:13] <Polylaptopism> the new site will be up soon
[19:50:15] <Polylaptopism> with new models
[19:50:19] <Polylaptopism> thaty site isnt even accurate I found
[19:50:28] <Polylaptopism> we spoke for 30 minutes
[19:50:33] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: look at the cnc at the video
[19:50:36] <Polylaptopism> he sounds like an honest guy
[19:50:42] <Polylaptopism> lol pink_vampire
[19:50:47] <Polylaptopism> is that what you suggest I do
[19:51:22] <pink_vampire> no. you can use xacto knife
[19:51:29] <Polylaptopism> lolll
[19:52:26] <pink_vampire> just make a wire edm machine
[19:52:26] <djdelorie> xacto knife and a hammer, that is
[19:52:31] <Polylaptopism> hahaha
[19:52:36] <Polylaptopism> I was thinking I wanted wire EDM
[19:52:42] <Polylaptopism> I was watching last night
[19:52:55] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: start with sinker.
[19:53:58] <Polylaptopism> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14769&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:54:00] <Polylaptopism> this was done with 6040
[19:54:10] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: do you know that with aluminum you can etch the panel with acid like pcb.
[19:54:22] <Polylaptopism> I dont want to do that
[19:54:55] <djdelorie> I have done that, it's messy and leaves ragged edges if you etch too deep
[19:56:20] <sabrex> i am sitting next to a 2200L on my desk if there is anything you want to know about it
[19:56:21] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: go to hacker space.
[19:56:26] <pink_vampire> free cnc.
[19:57:18] <malcom2073> hackerspaces are great for that
[19:57:20] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, I want to know how it compares to the raptor, how it compares to the 6040s on ebay
[19:57:38] <sabrex> i dont know much about the raptor, but it is far superior to the 6040s on ebay
[19:57:51] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, I want to know how it works for engraving and cutting custom small batch electronic project enclosures like 2-4mm thick extruded aluminum enclosures
[19:57:58] <sabrex> the ones on ebay usually use round rail and are much less rigid
[19:58:07] <sabrex> and their electronics are usually garbage and most people end up replacing them
[19:58:13] <sabrex> the 2200L works out of the box just fine
[19:58:24] <Polylaptopism> excellent, that was something I was wondering
[19:58:41] <sabrex> it does anything with aluminum just fine
[19:59:04] <Polylaptopism> I'm about to spend 2375 + spindle + vfd (200) + wiring
[19:59:09] <Polylaptopism> on a raptor
[19:59:17] <Polylaptopism> 12.5x30x5.5" work area
[19:59:17] <sabrex> the 6040s on ebay vary alot, some of them use leadscrews instead of ball screws
[19:59:24] <sabrex> the 2200L has ballscrews on all axes
[19:59:41] <Polylaptopism> does it have round or flat rail on x and z?
[19:59:41] <sabrex> the raptor seems like its pretty good from what i see on the zxero site currently
[20:00:06] <Polylaptopism> 2600 total for the raptor + spindle
[20:00:08] <sabrex> the 2200L hiwin rectangular linear rail on all axes
[20:00:15] <Polylaptopism> wow ok
[20:00:29] <Polylaptopism> wait ... so
[20:00:31] <Polylaptopism> what youre saying is
[20:00:39] <Polylaptopism> my choice is reallyt between raptor or 2600l
[20:00:50] <Polylaptopism> 6040 is not as good as 2200l at all?
[20:00:57] <sabrex> yeah i wouldnt even consider a ebay 6040
[20:01:04] <Polylaptopism> that helps a lot.
[20:01:13] <Polylaptopism> I want to buy my 2nd machine 1st
[20:01:13] <sabrex> the 2200L is technically a high end 6040
[20:01:15] <Polylaptopism> so that really helps
[20:01:27] <sabrex> with the best of any component you can get for a 6040
[20:01:36] <Polylaptopism> and a controller working out of the box
[20:01:39] <Polylaptopism> is it usb only?
[20:01:44] <sabrex> yeah its usb only
[20:03:27] <Polylaptopism> ok
[20:04:11] <Polylaptopism> what kind of work have you done with the machine? my decision seems to now be between the larger work area of the x6 or the possible higher quality of the x6 and its finished cuts//pieces
[20:04:21] <Polylaptopism> they would cost me the same
[20:04:56] <CaptHindsight> huh, that X6-2200 looks like an ebay 6040
[20:05:02] <Polylaptopism> its not
[20:05:13] <sabrex> i actually just got it about a month and a half ago so i havent done alot. i've cut some wood and some stuff out of aluminum plate
[20:05:32] <sabrex> yes the 2200L is really just a very high end 6040
[20:06:09] <CaptHindsight> why come they didn't make the gantry stronger and stiffer?
[20:06:49] <sabrex> its generally the same shape but i think the gantry is actually thicker and shaped differently than most 6040s
[20:07:20] <sabrex> the next thing im going to make is probably a replica of rey's blaster from star wars in aluminum
[20:07:25] <Polylaptopism> http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-2.jpg
[20:07:28] <Polylaptopism> could I even make those?
[20:07:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.omiocnc.com/media/wysiwyg/products/x6-2200usb/2-x62200machine.jpg the vertical thingies on the gantry look pretty flimsy
[20:07:37] <Polylaptopism> they wouldnt clear the z to mil the side holes would they
[20:07:53] <Polylaptopism> the side plates?
[20:07:55] <Polylaptopism> CaptHindsight,
[20:08:10] <sabrex> how tall are those?
[20:08:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 1/2" aluminum is flimsy?
[20:08:21] <Polylaptopism> I'm not sure
[20:08:26] <Polylaptopism> probably 3.5" tall
[20:09:05] <sabrex> yeah you can make those fine
[20:09:19] <sabrex> there is enough z travel
[20:09:21] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: an 80mm canon shell would hardly even slow down going through it
[20:09:40] <sabrex> one thing to know is to get the full z travel you have to take off the dust cover on the z-axis
[20:09:50] <sabrex> but i think you dont need to for 3.5"
[20:09:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You gonna shoot it or mill something with it?
[20:10:11] <sabrex> it goes up to like 5.5" if you take off the dust cover
[20:10:15] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, how would I get thiose side holes
[20:10:19] <Polylaptopism> its probably wider than 5.5"
[20:10:24] <Polylaptopism> I would have to use a drill press?
[20:10:26] <sabrex> oh i didnt see those
[20:10:27] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: how much does it twist when you pull on the gantry?
[20:10:28] <Polylaptopism> or make the box out of multiple pieces
[20:10:42] <Polylaptopism> what if I wanted custokm cuts on that side, not simple holes
[20:10:50] <Polylaptopism> just trying to learn how the machine will work for me
[20:10:58] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: it's a router, not a mill
[20:11:09] <CaptHindsight> so
[20:11:14] <sabrex> the clearance under the gantry is actually about 6 1/4 inches
[20:11:18] <sabrex> i just measured
[20:11:24] <CaptHindsight> it's not a carrot peeler either
[20:11:35] <sabrex> so you can move the spindle up on the spindle holder
[20:11:40] * Jymmm hands CaptHindsight his reality hat.
[20:11:54] <Polylaptopism> sabrex,
[20:11:58] <sabrex> it has no give at all when i push or pull it
[20:12:00] <Polylaptopism> do yuo think that thing could carve a guitar body
[20:12:04] <CaptHindsight> nice toy for jym
[20:12:13] <sabrex> i can probably lift the thing by the spindle and it feels rigid
[20:12:22] <sabrex> if your coming from a vmc yeah this thing is a toy
[20:12:30] <Polylaptopism> http://www.omiocnc.com/media/wysiwyg/products/x6-2200usb/3-x6dimension-2.jpg
[20:12:35] <sabrex> but you dont need a mori seiki for everything
[20:12:37] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: similar testing methodologies are done when producing cars
[20:12:51] <sabrex> how big is a guitar body?
[20:12:55] <Polylaptopism> 5.5" max clearance it seems to claim
[20:12:59] <Polylaptopism> it would fit
[20:13:07] <Polylaptopism> I just wonder if hte machine has the accuracy, power, etc
[20:13:09] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: as with carrot peelers?
[20:13:18] <Polylaptopism> for hardwood 3d carve
[20:14:01] <tiwake> demolishing it though various means to make sure its sturdy and functional
[20:14:04] <Polylaptopism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5tOYWfhuyM&t=3m25s
[20:14:14] <sabrex> oh whoops i didnt measure under the z-axis carrier just the gantry, the site is right at about 5.5", closer to 5.75 though
[20:14:37] <sabrex> it can probably do anything wood easily
[20:14:52] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: as in, I like your 80mm cannon test
[20:14:54] <CaptHindsight> why don't they make the gantry out of steel?
[20:15:04] <CaptHindsight> to save on shipping?
[20:16:00] <Polylaptopism> shit.
[20:16:01] <Jymmm> the frame is alum, why make the gantry steel?
[20:16:01] <sabrex> probably, shipping was like 400$
[20:16:04] <Polylaptopism> I really don't know which to go with here
[20:16:23] <Polylaptopism> the raptor is possibly a superior build quality?
[20:16:27] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: galvanic action?
[20:16:38] <Polylaptopism> electronics motors same but different controller
[20:16:44] <Polylaptopism> would the x6 be good enough though?
[20:16:51] <sabrex> is there any up to date info on the raptor i could look at?
[20:16:52] <Polylaptopism> THE Larger work area would be nice to have
[20:17:02] <Polylaptopism> I can answer a lot of questions about it
[20:17:04] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: copied everyone else?
[20:17:05] <Polylaptopism> not much good info out
[20:17:07] <Polylaptopism> there are pictures
[20:17:10] <Polylaptopism> if you hjavbe facebook
[20:17:12] <Polylaptopism> they have a page
[20:17:20] <Polylaptopism> its odd you have to log in to see it
[20:17:26] <Polylaptopism> he sells by word of mouth
[20:17:31] <Polylaptopism> the frame is made in canada
[20:17:35] <Polylaptopism> from canada + us materials
[20:17:39] <Polylaptopism> the rails imported
[20:17:44] <Polylaptopism> electronics direcvt from manufactr
[20:17:52] <sabrex> zxero cnc routers on facebook?
[20:17:55] <Polylaptopism> yes
[20:18:01] <Polylaptopism> under photos
[20:18:04] <Polylaptopism> some are older
[20:18:05] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: doubtful, as the rails on mine are steel
[20:18:10] <Polylaptopism> look for hte pics with the linear flat rails
[20:18:14] <CaptHindsight> ha hah doesn't rust in the shower
[20:18:32] <Jymmm> just in the shop
[20:18:51] <Jymmm> lots o grease to the rescue
[20:19:10] <sabrex> is it the raptor HD?
[20:20:00] <sabrex> im logged in and can see their page, i can probably access a link if you give me one
[20:21:54] <Polylaptopism> I think it is
[20:22:02] <Polylaptopism> I dont have a link sadly
[20:22:07] <Polylaptopism> he says all the machines are built the same
[20:22:10] <Polylaptopism> just different size basically
[20:22:15] <Polylaptopism> so if its a new picture
[20:22:17] <Polylaptopism> from last year or so
[20:22:25] <Polylaptopism> its probably represents the raptor mini I'm looking at
[20:22:27] <Polylaptopism> -s
[20:23:23] <sabrex> the frame looks pretty comparable to the 2200l
[20:23:38] <sabrex> what kind of spindle?
[20:24:05] <Polylaptopism> no splindle, its 2000 for the machine then I add spindle
[20:24:14] <Polylaptopism> 12.5"x30x5.5" work area
[20:24:25] <Polylaptopism> that includes DSP 3660 driver and 3 motors and 48v supply
[20:24:29] <Polylaptopism> and limit switches
[20:24:31] <sabrex> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12642842_986917064731439_8845541748404309811_n.jpg?oh=5c6a6cfa5ac09e2cb4c5bff2a599eb53&oe=57881314
[20:24:36] <Polylaptopism> I wire and purchase spindle and vfd
[20:24:37] <sabrex> is it that one?
[20:24:39] <Polylaptopism> total cost 2500 shipped
[20:24:42] <Polylaptopism> so same as x6 would cost me
[20:24:54] <Polylaptopism> also same as 6090 but I hjabve no room for it
[20:25:04] <Polylaptopism> yes
[20:25:06] <Polylaptopism> its a lot like that
[20:25:12] <Polylaptopism> just a it smaller
[20:25:16] <Polylaptopism> so it would be stronger I guess
[20:26:06] <Polylaptopism> its 1750 + spimdle mount 80mm + upgrade for screws + motor kit
[20:26:11] <Polylaptopism> 2375 shipped actual quote
[20:26:12] <Polylaptopism> usd
[20:26:28] <Polylaptopism> then 1.5kw spindle 200 shipped china ebay
[20:26:35] <Polylaptopism> so about 2500 or so total
[20:26:47] <Polylaptopism> and x6 would cost me 2500 shipped
[20:27:01] <Polylaptopism> and 6090 would cost me 2600 or so but its cast iron and way too big and I shouldnt be tempted
[20:27:08] <Polylaptopism> so I need to pick, raptor vs x6...
[20:27:11] <Polylaptopism> larer work area
[20:27:21] <Polylaptopism> and do I get more quality with the raptor? to trade for smaller work area
[20:27:23] <Polylaptopism> price is the same
[20:27:40] <Polylaptopism> he says its less than .001 accurate
[20:27:56] <Polylaptopism> cant remember exactly what he said
[20:28:12] <Polylaptopism> more accurate than .001 I mean to say
[20:28:18] <sabrex> they seem quite comparable, tough decision
[20:28:22] <Polylaptopism> yeah....
[20:28:26] <tiwake> what is the backlash?
[20:28:31] <Polylaptopism> I'm not sure
[20:28:43] <Polylaptopism> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[20:28:45] <Polylaptopism> upper right specs
[20:28:48] <tiwake> thats the important question.
[20:29:23] <Polylaptopism> tiwake, https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12316446_954259671330512_4302914621658281402_n.jpg?oh=c6ecb4885b08e86616f5f7982b864642&oe=5792A4C2
[20:29:26] <Polylaptopism> cut with the raptor
[20:29:32] <Polylaptopism> not sure wha it means to someone who knows machining
[20:29:34] <Polylaptopism> to me it looks nice
[20:29:40] <Polylaptopism> not sure how x6 compares
[20:29:47] <sabrex> the x6 does similar
[20:29:59] <Polylaptopism> if the x6 is hte same quality
[20:30:04] <Polylaptopism> and can make pcbs that look just as nice
[20:30:04] <sabrex> but you could probably do that with just about any machine if you go slow enough
[20:30:14] <Polylaptopism> and engrave and cut thin al and it looks just as nice...
[20:30:41] <sabrex> dunno if youve seen these yet but there are some 2200L videos on youtube
[20:30:42] <sabrex> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuPGXadddwpqxi9xoZdnz1g
[20:30:44] <Polylaptopism> http://www.8020cnc.com/images/alu_engrave1_large.jpg
[20:30:52] <Polylaptopism> I probably have I'll check
[20:30:54] <Polylaptopism> these pics
[20:30:57] <Polylaptopism> are what I want to do
[20:31:02] <Polylaptopism> http://artfab.art.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dscn6119.jpg
[20:31:07] <Polylaptopism> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pk0AAOSwHgVW77ne/s-l300.jpg
[20:31:22] <Polylaptopism> http://s38.photobucket.com/user/suggy44/media/big_muff_front.jpg.html
[20:31:26] <Polylaptopism> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Kfiw_mT6bvQ/maxresdefault.jpg
[20:31:42] <Polylaptopism> http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-4.jpg
[20:31:44] <sabrex> what are the workspace specs on the raptor again?
[20:31:51] <Polylaptopism> 12.5"x30x"5.5"
[20:32:09] <sabrex> is that the bed size or the actual working area?
[20:32:13] <Polylaptopism> working area
[20:32:27] <Polylaptopism> bedsize is 18x35
[20:32:43] <Polylaptopism> 16I mean
[20:32:46] <Polylaptopism> I think
[20:33:13] <Polylaptopism> frame is made in canada which means somthing I guess.. but not if price is the same and the quality I can make is the same and work area is a lot smaller
[20:33:18] <Polylaptopism> but if the quality is better. it might be worht it
[20:33:43] <Polylaptopism> so I guess I need to know if the x6-2200l will acheive the pictures I linked as well as the raptor could
[20:33:51] <Polylaptopism> I couldnt do the guitar on raptor, too small
[20:34:01] <Polylaptopism> but its not a primary use, the aluminum panel cutting is, and the engraving
[20:34:07] <Polylaptopism> and the wood enclosures
[20:34:24] <Polylaptopism> specifically complecx cuts in 2-4mm alumium and like the pic of hte extruded box
[20:34:29] <Polylaptopism> I want to fix the box on the bed and mill the top out
[20:34:33] <Polylaptopism> for lcd
[20:34:44] <Polylaptopism> small batch and one off custom electronic products
[20:34:46] <Polylaptopism> and also prototyping
[20:34:50] <Polylaptopism> these are my needs
[20:35:47] <sabrex> the x6 can do those pretty easily
[20:36:03] <sabrex> they do aluminum cutting and engraving in that youtube link if you want to see
[20:36:27] <Polylaptopism> let me look
[20:36:46] <Polylaptopism> ah yes
[20:36:47] <sabrex> i was cutting 3.2mm aluminum plate just last night
[20:36:51] <Polylaptopism> I saw these videos, it does look really nice
[20:36:55] <Polylaptopism> do you have a picture of the results?
[20:37:36] <Polylaptopism> it really is going to come down to only one thing
[20:37:44] <sabrex> ill take on
[20:37:49] <Polylaptopism> does the raptor cut better than the x6
[20:38:01] <Polylaptopism> if every other factor is equal I should choose x6 for the larger work bed
[20:38:03] <Polylaptopism> I could do more with it
[20:38:17] <Polylaptopism> it has less in the y ... but more x
[20:38:21] <Polylaptopism> which is more useful I think for me
[20:38:49] <Polylaptopism> 22.83x 15.7x 2.7" vs 16x35x5.5" work area
[20:39:02] <Polylaptopism> wait
[20:39:05] <Polylaptopism> thats ot right
[20:39:11] <Polylaptopism> thats when I thought that was work area of raptor
[20:39:13] <Polylaptopism> here is real comparison
[20:39:18] <Polylaptopism> 22.83x 15.7x 2.7" vs 12.5x30x5.5" work area
[20:39:26] <Polylaptopism> wait I should align them the same
[20:39:51] <Polylaptopism> 15.7x22.83x 2.7"
[20:39:59] <Polylaptopism> 12.5x30x5.5" raptor
[20:40:28] <Polylaptopism> and that z is wrong...
[20:40:42] <Polylaptopism> 15.7x22.83x 5.5" - Omio X6-2200l
[20:40:57] <Polylaptopism> 12.5x30.00x 5.5" raptor
[20:42:35] <Polylaptopism> I need to switch computers in a moment but I'll have a log of the channel
[20:42:53] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism:
[20:43:05] <pink_vampire> you didn't decide yet???
[20:43:07] <sabrex> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9D3E7E71B6D4F935!8903&authkey=!ADwCscN8MsHaetQ&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
[20:43:09] <pink_vampire> O_O
[20:43:41] <Polylaptopism> no pink
[20:43:44] <Polylaptopism> check my comparison
[20:43:54] <pink_vampire> sabrex: it's your machine live??
[20:44:35] <sabrex> i took a file to the corners so they're not as sharp or as well defined as your pic was
[20:44:41] <Polylaptopism> that looks nice, how thick?
[20:44:43] <sabrex> is my machine what?
[20:44:48] <sabrex> 3.2mm
[20:48:00] <Polylaptopism> I'll be back in a bit I have to log out from this machine
[20:48:09] <Polylaptopism> if you have any more pictures of cuts or work the machine has done sabrex
[20:48:12] <Polylaptopism> I'm very interested
[20:48:18] <Polylaptopism> and I will see them on my other nick Polymorphism
[20:48:32] <pink_vampire> sabrex: it's a live video from your machine?
[20:48:50] <sabrex> no i took a pic with my phone
[20:50:59] <Polylaptopism> brb
[20:50:59] <pink_vampire> ok..
[20:51:24] <pink_vampire> sabrex: what 4th axis are you using??
[20:52:04] <sabrex> i dont have much else to show, except the wooden rails i made that are holding up the aluminum plate
[20:52:05] <sabrex> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9D3E7E71B6D4F935!8905&authkey=!ACa5ke9N1_VIZyI&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
[20:52:23] <sabrex> its a harmonic drive 4th axis i got from aliexpress
[20:53:03] <malcom2073> I love harmonic drives for 4th axis
[20:53:20] <pink_vampire> link? model?
[20:53:27] <pink_vampire> cost?
[20:53:28] <sabrex> yeah it seems pretty great, i havent made anything with it yet. still need to align the tailstock
[20:53:37] <Polylaptopism> shit
[20:53:40] <Polylaptopism> how do I make this decision
[20:53:46] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, do you believe the quality is the same
[20:53:46] <sabrex> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-CNC-4th-axis-with-gapless-harmonic-drive-reduction-gear-box-for-CNC-router-4/32297637957.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ObWzhB&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201602_3_10036_10035_10034_507_10020_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_7&btsid=b0bc2656-e8ee-40b4-b2d3-50dc255e9377
[20:53:48] <Polylaptopism> on the x6
[20:53:51] <Polylaptopism> as the raptor
[20:54:08] <Polylaptopism> I have a pic, 1 sec
[20:54:44] <pink_vampire> sabrex: what are you using for Gcoge?
[20:55:06] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/1476038_10152881473171605_2263869676506557913_n.jpg?oh=fe5e32f240128e00e310e73451415bb9&oe=577B1C27
[20:55:07] <sabrex> fusion 360
[20:55:10] <Polylaptopism> I cant fit a guitar body, lol
[20:55:13] <Polylaptopism> but there is the raptor on wood
[20:55:25] <sabrex> and mach3
[20:55:26] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/p206x206/12642842_986917064731439_8845541748404309811_n.jpg?oh=55e94118aa85bd1067e857778199abfc&oe=577E0F07
[20:55:27] <Polylaptopism> sabrex,
[20:55:29] <Polylaptopism> can ytou check that last pic
[20:55:31] <pink_vampire> sabrex: you are with the free version?
[20:55:34] <Polylaptopism> how does that look compared to the x6
[20:55:39] <pink_vampire> free login?
[20:55:41] <sabrex> yeah the free version
[20:55:43] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12642842_986917064731439_8845541748404309811_n.jpg?oh=5c6a6cfa5ac09e2cb4c5bff2a599eb53&oe=57881314
[20:55:44] <Polylaptopism> there
[20:55:49] <Polylaptopism> thats the proper link ^^^
[20:55:57] <sabrex> ok i saw that pic
[20:56:02] <sabrex> its very comparable to the x6
[20:56:23] <sabrex> although the vertical gantry arms seem to be not as wide
[20:56:53] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10413419_959243770832102_2455484536325698158_n.jpg?oh=eefe2849bf7b8a13a8f4673bba5637fd&oe=57893DEF
[20:56:54] <Polylaptopism> and here?
[20:56:55] <sabrex> there is a bit more material on the x6 before it tapers off the top of the gantry vertical profile
[20:56:59] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1917121_959243787498767_4553345255090241253_n.jpg?oh=4daae0c1e976b1d058d58dca8a1fe052&oe=5794BF7D
[20:57:31] <Polylaptopism> you think the machines may be equal quality ?
[20:57:39] <Polylaptopism> that last pic shows well
[20:57:41] <pink_vampire> the x6 build abit better
[20:57:46] <Polylaptopism> wow, really?
[20:57:46] <Polylaptopism> wtd?
[20:57:50] <Polylaptopism> the x6 is built better?
[20:57:55] <pink_vampire> yes.
[20:57:58] <Polylaptopism> wow.
[20:58:01] <pink_vampire> plus it's aluminum.
[20:58:07] <Polylaptopism> ok I reallyt have to go, I will be back in 30 mins
[20:58:10] <Polylaptopism> they are both aluminum arent they
[20:58:11] <sabrex> that pic is interesting
[20:58:15] <sabrex> it only shows a single rail
[20:58:21] <sabrex> is it supposed to have 2?
[20:58:25] <Polylaptopism> I'm not sure
[20:58:28] <Polylaptopism> I really need help
[20:58:32] <pink_vampire> plus it's aluminum.
[20:58:33] <pink_vampire> so you can pink anodized it
[20:58:36] <Polylaptopism> I almost gave xzero 2750 dollars tonight
[20:58:42] <Polylaptopism> I mean
[20:58:44] <Polylaptopism> 2350
[20:58:52] <malcom2073> Why didn't you?
[20:58:53] <Polylaptopism> I really dont wan tto make a mistake that large
[20:58:57] <Polylaptopism> because the x6....
[20:59:01] <Polylaptopism> is still tempting me
[20:59:06] <Polylaptopism> and it has a larger work area
[20:59:12] <Polylaptopism> so if quality is the same or better
[20:59:14] <Polylaptopism> and accuracy
[20:59:18] <sabrex> its got a fun control box with a giant e-stop button too
[20:59:21] <sabrex> does the raptor have that?
[20:59:21] <Polylaptopism> then maybe its the choice
[20:59:24] <Polylaptopism> lol
[20:59:26] <Polylaptopism> no
[20:59:35] <pink_vampire> accuracy is the same.
[20:59:37] <sabrex> let me tell you that the giant red button is very fun to push
[20:59:44] <malcom2073> accuracy or precision?
[20:59:57] <Polylaptopism> it has 311oz 48v motors
[21:00:04] <pink_vampire> the xzero cut nice.
[21:00:25] <Polylaptopism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[21:00:27] <Polylaptopism> thats the controller
[21:00:38] <Polylaptopism> for raptor
[21:00:47] <Polylaptopism> I have to go I *will* checlk your response
[21:00:50] <Polylaptopism> back in 30
[21:00:54] <sabrex> is there a box for it or you have to make your own?
[21:00:55] <sabrex> ok lol
[21:00:57] <pink_vampire> but the 6040 with lite modification and servo motors will work better then the X6 and the xzero.
[21:00:59] <Polylaptopism> make own, back soon
[21:01:23] <sabrex> since they're about the same, you could compare accessories like the control box, cables, water pump, and wireless remote
[21:01:55] <sabrex> youd have to upgrade the 6040 a lot, most 6040s have round rail and leadscrews
[21:01:59] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: ignore the gadgets
[21:02:19] <pink_vampire> yes the 6040 is junk.
[21:02:45] <pink_vampire> but for the price.. and the stuff that you want to do..
[21:03:02] <pink_vampire> go with the x6
[21:03:32] <pink_vampire> or you can save and get the 6040,
[21:03:54] <CaptHindsight> do they make a 4060 version of the X6-2200?
[21:04:07] <pink_vampire> but you will regret on it
[21:04:41] <CaptHindsight> most of my parts are portrait vs landscape
[21:04:42] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: x6 is 6040, no?
[21:04:48] <sabrex> CaptHindsight: its an accessory. a pdf that tells you how to rotate it on your desk
[21:05:10] <CaptHindsight> rotate what? the desk?
[21:05:27] <sabrex> one or the other
[21:05:27] <pink_vampire> i think my g0704 is a mistake.
[21:05:40] <sabrex> actually i reversed the x and y axis on mine
[21:05:48] <CaptHindsight> you can't just rotate the desk and have the parts change
[21:05:49] <sabrex> its sideways on my desk and i like the x axis to be along the desk
[21:05:50] <CaptHindsight> haha
[21:06:00] <CaptHindsight> can't fool me
[21:06:04] <sabrex> so its a 4060
[21:06:44] <pink_vampire> my is 17x45
[21:06:54] <sabrex> whats a 60704?
[21:07:01] <sabrex> err g0704?
[21:07:14] <pink_vampire> 17cm by 45cm
[21:07:19] <pink_vampire> z 30 cm
[21:07:26] <djdelorie> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704
[21:07:27] <CaptHindsight> there has been 4-5 other people in this channel the past few days waiting bandwidth wit the same ideas
[21:07:44] <CaptHindsight> waiting/wasting
[21:08:05] <CaptHindsight> a sideways 6040 is not a 4060
[21:08:06] <sabrex> what ideas?
[21:08:19] <CaptHindsight> you're funny
[21:08:32] <sabrex> i try
[21:08:47] <pink_vampire> do you think my g0704 is better then engraver
[21:08:49] <pink_vampire> ?
[21:09:57] <sabrex> engraver?
[21:10:27] <McBride36> how much flex would i see in 2mm aluminum plate, about 1'x1'
[21:10:29] <pink_vampire> andwidth wit th
[21:10:50] <pink_vampire> cnc engraving machine *
[21:10:55] <pink_vampire> sabrex: ^
[21:11:26] <pink_vampire> g0704 vs the x6
[21:11:28] <sabrex> that g0704 is manual, doesnt really compare with a cnc
[21:11:36] <pink_vampire> i think the x6 is better.
[21:11:58] <pink_vampire> i mean the g0704 after a conversion,
[21:12:16] <sabrex> oh hmm
[21:12:37] <sabrex> the grizzly is pretty small
[21:13:03] <sabrex> i dont think the size is big enough for me
[21:13:20] <pink_vampire> the z axis on my machine is junk. i can't cut steel without alot off vibrations
[21:13:41] <pink_vampire> sabrex: what do you make with your machine?
[21:13:45] <sabrex> what kind of steel?
[21:14:11] <sabrex> im going to make replica props
[21:14:13] <pink_vampire> hot rolled steel
[21:14:20] <sabrex> like rey's blaster from star wars
[21:14:31] <pink_vampire> link
[21:14:56] <pink_vampire> i have no idea what you are talking about.
[21:15:07] <sabrex> let me find one
[21:15:16] <CaptHindsight> NOT
[21:15:21] <pink_vampire> ?
[21:15:27] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: ?.??
[21:15:30] <sabrex> http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2016/01/Rey-and-Han.jpg
[21:15:53] <sabrex> i dont know how well the x6 can do steel
[21:16:21] <Duc> Has anyone added a rotary table with a hydraulic brake to their setup?
[21:16:47] <pink_vampire> i can't take more then 2 mm steel with 1/2" end mill.
[21:17:07] <pink_vampire> Duc: no
[21:17:10] <sabrex> the x6 couldnt even fit a 1/2" end mill
[21:17:31] <sabrex> at least not the 110v version with the er16 collet
[21:17:47] <pink_vampire> i like to cut stuff with 3/4 end mill.
[21:17:49] <Duc> everything is wired in to the 7i77 but need to figure out how to handle the brake system.
[21:18:02] <pink_vampire> foam
[21:18:15] <pink_vampire> very nice for it
[21:18:21] <Duc> controlled by a relay so just needs a output and 2 signal inputs for clamp and unclamped
[21:18:57] <pink_vampire> sabrex: what I'm looking for in the picture?
[21:19:01] <sabrex> the gun
[21:19:06] <pink_vampire> gun?
[21:19:11] <pink_vampire> the radio?
[21:20:08] <pink_vampire> the silver walkie talkie?
[21:20:23] <pink_vampire> sabrex: ^^
[21:20:39] <sabrex> not a star wars fan eh?
[21:20:51] <pink_vampire> no.
[21:21:06] <pink_vampire> what is star wars?
[21:21:13] <pink_vampire> movie?
[21:21:54] <sabrex> yeah
[21:22:00] <pink_vampire> ok..
[21:22:53] <pink_vampire> I never watch tv.
[21:22:57] <pink_vampire> soo boring.
[21:23:16] <XXCoder> how is your woman part project so far pink_vampire
[21:23:44] <pink_vampire> "the boob"?
[21:23:53] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:23:55] <pink_vampire> lol
[21:24:34] <pink_vampire> I've glue a magnet to it, and stick it to the side of the machine.
[21:26:20] <XXCoder> heh art dont have to make sense
[21:28:41] <tiwake> lol, imagining boobie encoder handle
[21:29:02] <pink_vampire> it's just waiting for the latex / air brush and other stuff.
[21:29:14] <pink_vampire> so you want to see a picture of it?
[21:29:24] <XXCoder> why not
[21:29:40] <pink_vampire> it's a boob after all :)
[21:34:00] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: sabrex tiwake > http://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
[21:34:28] <XXCoder> very smooth cut. was it sanded or?
[21:34:31] <pink_vampire> Duc: ^
[21:34:38] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: ^
[21:34:39] <sabrex> will you be making it out of steel?
[21:34:47] <XXCoder> breasts of steel
[21:34:59] <XXCoder> sounds kind of hero or villian name
[21:35:00] <pink_vampire> OMG
[21:35:00] <Duc> That is a big breast about a D-size?
[21:35:36] <pink_vampire> according to solidworks it's 650cc
[21:35:54] <XXCoder> buy a D bra see if it fits heh
[21:36:29] <pink_vampire> I want to go with it to some stores and ask a bra for it.
[21:36:30] <Polymorphism> ok catching up on what UI missed
[21:36:49] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: http://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
[21:37:00] <Duc> should ask the wife what it looks like
[21:37:06] <pink_vampire> YES!
[21:37:09] <pink_vampire> please!!!
[21:37:09] <Polymorphism> sabrex, no accessories with the raptor
[21:37:17] <Polymorphism> just that dsp module, I have a pump
[21:37:35] <Polymorphism> upgrading 6040 sounds ... bad maybe
[21:37:38] <Polymorphism> spend the same as x6?
[21:37:47] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: http://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
[21:37:54] <pink_vampire> what do you think
[21:38:06] <pink_vampire> due please what she say?
[21:39:05] <Polymorphism> raptor claims his machine does steel no problem
[21:39:10] <Polymorphism> but I dont need steel anyway
[21:39:25] <Duc> she thinks a G or a H
[21:39:39] <Polymorphism> with raptoer I buy my owen spindle and pick collet
[21:39:48] <Polymorphism> still reading and catching up
[21:39:53] <pink_vampire> G or H??
[21:40:20] <pink_vampire> Duc: ??
[21:40:21] <Duc> above a DD
[21:40:28] <Polymorphism> lol nice pic pink_vampire
[21:41:04] <XXCoder> big one indeed
[21:41:28] <pink_vampire> it's huge,
[21:41:39] <XXCoder> back breaking big im sure
[21:41:53] <XXCoder> I know couple friends with large ones and they hate em
[21:42:16] <Duc> LOL
[21:42:18] <XXCoder> one is considering breast surgery to lessen size, and other just puts up with it
[21:42:34] <Duc> C or D is a nice size
[21:42:49] <Polymorphism> which machine mills better titanium titty?
[21:42:51] <Polymorphism> raptor or x6
[21:42:55] <pink_vampire> http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/breastssss.jpg
[21:43:04] <pink_vampire> ok.. cnc time
[21:43:11] <XXCoder> I dont really care about size, I care more about personility
[21:43:22] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[21:43:22] <XXCoder> smart ladies is best
[21:43:41] <XXCoder> heh you ever seen that movie total recall, either old or new
[21:44:08] <Duc> that was proven to be fake but still a goodie.
[21:44:24] <pink_vampire> ok.. fake,,
[21:44:40] <pink_vampire> so what to do next?
[21:44:42] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: watch total recall you get to see em lol
[21:45:13] <Duc> its in both movies the old and new
[21:45:23] <XXCoder> Duc: I know
[21:45:31] <witnit> make a duck
[21:45:42] <pink_vampire> you know better then me about that stuff?
[21:45:57] <Duc> XXCoder: still unsure which one I like better
[21:46:02] <XXCoder> define "stuff"
[21:46:19] <pink_vampire> witnit: OMG don't be rude
[21:46:20] <Crom> brain not working... I have a bad cold...
[21:46:30] <XXCoder> Duc: I like earlier, bit better, (the very ending low pressure part dont make sense)
[21:46:39] <XXCoder> but then latter one has better effects and tech ideas
[21:46:57] <Duc> I may need to watch the new one again. its fuzzy in my memory
[21:47:02] <XXCoder> and MUCH less mystic crap in latter one too
[21:47:10] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[21:47:15] <Polymorphism> what about this machine vs x6?
[21:47:29] <Polymorphism> seriously
[21:47:43] <Polymorphism> notice the size as well as controller and the rails, etc
[21:47:47] <shaun413> I need a nice CNC mill
[21:47:52] <shaun413> Any cheap suggestions
[21:47:58] <pink_vampire> the Z axis it too short to make a boob.
[21:48:01] * Jymmm stuffs XXCoder into an industrial washing machine and turn it on to SUPER FLUFFY setting!
[21:48:25] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: layers.
[21:48:28] <pink_vampire> lol
[21:48:32] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Now you'll be FLUFF N STUFF!
[21:48:32] <Polymorphism> its round rails on the z
[21:48:35] <Polymorphism> so not as good right
[21:48:39] <Polymorphism> as x6 or raptor
[21:48:45] <Polymorphism> but the other rails look ok
[21:49:00] <XXCoder> witnit: this duck? https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/howard-the-duck.jpg?w=728&h=489&crop=1
[21:49:10] <Duc> I may need to make a hotdog and 2 meat balls to give to one of the coworkers. Just excuse to test the rotary table
[21:49:31] <shaun413> Is xcarve any good?
[21:49:50] <pink_vampire> shaun413: it's amazing.
[21:50:04] <shaun413> Really?
[21:50:10] <pink_vampire> the mdf base is nice stock material.
[21:50:10] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Is this you? http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/lalaloopsyland/images/f/f0/Mittens_Fluff_n_Stuff.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120512171151
[21:50:11] <shaun413> Not what I'd think.. But ok
[21:50:22] <XXCoder> Jymmm: what? no
[21:50:27] <XXCoder> I'm not that uncute
[21:50:33] <pink_vampire> awwwww
[21:50:36] <pink_vampire> cutteee
[21:50:38] <shaun413> What do you mean stock material
[21:50:56] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?^
[21:50:56] <Jymmm> XXCoder: But you are fluff n stuff and hats what google says
[21:51:02] <Jymmm> thats*
[21:51:12] <XXCoder> Pee on it, Jymmm
[21:51:18] <CaptHindsight> tune in for more "troll week"
[21:51:21] <Jymmm> XXCoder: LICK IT!
[21:51:45] <XXCoder> nah you go for it, not hungry
[21:51:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: What, the bridge you sleep under is under construction this week?
[21:52:22] <XXCoder> trolls gonna fix bridges so they can steal more money. just business sense.
[21:52:37] <Jymmm> lol
[21:53:01] <pink_vampire> shaun413: xcarve is very nice and expensive stock material.
[21:53:44] <Polymorphism> xcarve isntr rigid enough
[21:54:29] <BeachBumPete> Evening everyone
[21:54:47] <pink_vampire> BeachBumPete: hi
[21:55:03] <pink_vampire> what are you up to?
[21:55:04] <CaptHindsight> the bum is back!
[21:55:12] <BeachBumPete> Hey pinky
[21:55:13] <pink_vampire> shaun413: look
[21:55:21] <CaptHindsight> how did the move go?
[21:55:30] <BeachBumPete> Captain he sure is ;)
[21:55:39] <shaun413> Yeah ses like nice stock
[21:55:44] <BeachBumPete> Well we are here LOL
[21:55:51] <pink_vampire> shaun413: this is my machine http://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
[21:55:53] <shaun413> What is a good router to mill an xcarve with?
[21:56:15] <BeachBumPete> I live at American personal storage unit 206 hehehe
[21:56:17] <Polymorphism> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4hEAAOSw-W5UyYYf/s-l1600.jpg
[21:56:20] <pink_vampire> my machine ^
[21:56:20] <Polymorphism> isnt that rail fully supported?
[21:56:31] <XXCoder> xcarve is great for light materials
[21:56:40] <shaun413> I don't want to be limited
[21:56:44] <shaun413> I want to do metal
[21:56:48] <pink_vampire> like air.
[21:56:49] <XXCoder> its not rigid enough for actual cutting of alum, besides engraving
[21:57:12] <shaun413> Yeah no good
[21:57:17] <Polymorphism> shaun
[21:57:20] <XXCoder> pretty cheapo for just fun craving of wood
[21:57:20] <Polymorphism> we are looking for the same thing
[21:57:30] <shaun413> That's cool
[21:57:40] <XXCoder> still more expensive than chinese ones though lol
[21:57:40] <shaun413> It's 1k lol that's not super cheap
[21:57:52] <shaun413> I won't pay that just to carve wood
[21:57:57] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: all you need is some tasty waves
[21:58:10] <BeachBumPete> My wife and I worked our butts off the last three days moving everything down and stuffing it to the max mad density possible into two storage units
[21:58:22] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: should have taken Tardis
[21:58:24] <pink_vampire> shaun413: did you saw y machine?
[21:58:27] <pink_vampire> my*
[21:58:29] <shaun413> Yes
[21:58:40] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[21:58:41] <BeachBumPete> My kids want to hit the beach in the morning so we just may
[21:58:45] <Polymorphism> how does this machine compare to the x6????
[21:58:45] <pink_vampire> shaun413: and what do you think?
[21:58:51] <shaun413> IRS nice
[21:58:56] <pink_vampire> irs?
[21:59:06] <shaun413> Itd
[21:59:08] <shaun413> Its
[21:59:39] <bobo_> BeachBunPete are you glad to be out of the Tenn life restrictions?
[21:59:40] <pink_vampire> you didn't look close enough
[21:59:45] <pink_vampire> shaun413: ^
[21:59:53] <shaun413> Bazinga
[22:00:49] <pink_vampire> you didn't look close enough, try again..
[22:01:07] <pink_vampire> maybe someone here can help you..
[22:01:11] <shaun413> Idk what I'm looking for
[22:01:16] <XXCoder> its on side
[22:01:18] <pink_vampire> lol
[22:01:28] <shaun413> Oh the boob
[22:01:34] <pink_vampire> LOOLLLLLLLLLLL
[22:01:38] <shaun413> Quite a z axis
[22:01:52] <pink_vampire> yeah!
[22:02:04] <shaun413> Nice
[22:02:09] <shaun413> Now I need to carve boobs
[22:02:11] <BeachBumPete> Bobo honestly I am just happy to be back where I grew up and with my family
[22:02:17] <pink_vampire> I can't stop laughing
[22:02:23] <shaun413> Why
[22:02:33] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAiFSHfMeio Tasty Waves
[22:02:35] <pink_vampire> it's soo funny,
[22:02:53] <shaun413> K
[22:02:56] <pink_vampire> 3 time to saw it... and you are a man..
[22:03:53] <XXCoder> pink to be fair, anyone can miss if not expected
[22:04:07] <XXCoder> I already knew what you was making so it was easy spot
[22:04:43] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: no one can ignore 650cc boob.
[22:05:26] <bobo_> Pete grab a pair of rose colored sunglasses and enjoy a new view of the old place
[22:05:27] <pink_vampire> on a cnc machine*
[22:05:37] <XXCoder> heh
[22:06:21] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I took the picture because of you. so....
[22:06:28] <XXCoder> yep
[22:08:12] <bobo_> Pete how many times did you here "are we there yet and dad I need to use a restroom "?
[22:09:22] <shaun413> I saw it
[22:09:28] <shaun413> Didn't realize it was a boob
[22:10:42] <pink_vampire> any idea for the next part?
[22:10:46] <pink_vampire> shaun413: ?
[22:10:47] <BeachBumPete> Well honestly we made the trip three times in about a week so plenty
[22:11:04] <shaun413> Until i saw the nipple
[22:11:08] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: tardis ;)
[22:11:13] <CaptHindsight> ouch
[22:11:35] <BeachBumPete> Tardis?
[22:11:37] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: so tablets and such didnt stem "are we there yet?"s?
[22:11:53] <XXCoder> lol a sci fi time machine/spaceship from doctor who
[22:11:57] <XXCoder> its bigger inside.
[22:12:06] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[22:12:10] <Polymorphism> this looks likea hell of a machine
[22:12:13] <Polymorphism> can anyone comment?
[22:12:14] <BeachBumPete> Well they had tablets and dvds and whatnot but they still did
[22:12:21] <Polymorphism> is the z axis rod a concern
[22:12:28] <BeachBumPete> So did I LOL
[22:12:51] <BeachBumPete> But we are here now....all of our stuff is in the storage safe and sound
[22:12:54] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: in least you can chat and listen to music while driving.
[22:12:58] <XXCoder> me? I has to grind it out
[22:13:07] <XXCoder> cant read or watch videos lol
[22:13:09] <BeachBumPete> Now we can start really looking for a nice house
[22:13:12] <sabrex> that is a huge machine for that price, whats wrong with it?
[22:13:13] <XXCoder> records at 9 hours
[22:13:15] <zeeshan> you know that router is a pro machine
[22:13:19] <zeeshan> when you post pictures like this:
[22:13:20] <zeeshan> http://chinaservomotor.com/image2/CNC_Router/CNC_Router_Milling_L6090_machine/CNC_Router_Milling_L6090_machine_9.png
[22:13:22] <zeeshan> missing screws
[22:13:25] <shaun413> So what mill is decent
[22:13:26] <zeeshan> no ball screw covers
[22:13:26] <zeeshan> lol
[22:13:27] <Polymorphism> sabrex, thats what I'm trying to find out
[22:13:27] <shaun413> And cheap
[22:13:28] <sabrex> never seen something that cheap that big
[22:13:31] <Polymorphism> how it compares to the x6
[22:13:31] <shaun413> I don't mind used...
[22:13:39] <Polymorphism> sabrex, yes, it took me a LONG time to find it
[22:13:46] <Polymorphism> trying to find shipping price. I'll let you know when they email me back
[22:13:53] <Polymorphism> it has the linear flat rails...
[22:13:57] <Polymorphism> looks like a sturdy frame
[22:13:59] <sabrex> even comes with that ridiculous controller in a pc case
[22:14:00] <Polymorphism> the z is round rod....
[22:14:02] <Polymorphism> but yeah lol
[22:14:05] <Polymorphism> the controller looks nice
[22:14:06] <zeeshan> lol sabrex
[22:14:07] <Polymorphism> 2.2kw spindle
[22:14:08] <XXCoder> gamer type pc case
[22:14:13] <BeachBumPete> Tomorrow we are having breakfast with my cousin Anthony and my mother on the local pier restaurant which is really nice.
[22:14:16] <shaun413> Anyone know
[22:14:19] <XXCoder> I need to find something for my machine
[22:17:50] <Polymorphism> XXCoder,
[22:17:53] <Polymorphism> how does the bridge compare
[22:18:02] <Polymorphism> on the x6
[22:18:06] <Polymorphism> vs this gamer cnc
[22:18:06] <BeachBumPete> Well goodnight
[22:18:07] <XXCoder> dunno
[22:18:10] <Polymorphism> gn BeachBumPete
[22:18:41] <XXCoder> Polymorphism: honestly?
[22:18:46] <Polymorphism> yeah
[22:18:50] <XXCoder> most that you had linked to would work dor ya
[22:18:59] <Polymorphism> =\
[22:19:02] <XXCoder> it depends on few factors
[22:19:09] <XXCoder> price/how ready/size
[22:19:33] <XXCoder> that 2'x3' model for example, is quite cheap for its size, but its DIY build
[22:19:53] <XXCoder> chinese ones is smaller, but cheaper, but you probably has to rebuild it a little, expecially bearings
[22:20:11] <XXCoder> other one is midsize but more expensive but basically keyturn solution
[22:20:47] <Polymorphism> the dx-6090?
[22:21:20] <XXCoder> that or other one you had linked to
[22:22:11] <Polymorphism> hmm
[22:22:45] <XXCoder> so basically
[22:22:52] <XXCoder> man up and make a decison
[22:22:54] <XXCoder> then make it work
[22:23:28] <sabrex> lol
[22:27:15] <pink_vampire> soo quite..
[22:27:24] <XXCoder> quite quiet yes
[22:27:45] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism make an order now...
[22:30:44] <Encapsulation2> Did I miss anything
[22:31:35] <XXCoder> whats last thung you read
[22:31:36] <pink_vampire> Polymorpic: ?
[22:32:25] <sabrex> manhood still intact?
[22:33:00] <Polymorpic> I asked how thr 6090dx compared bridge
[22:33:02] <Polymorpic> to x6
[22:34:00] <XXCoder> ok let me repeat
[22:34:05] <XXCoder> that or other one you had linked to
[22:34:12] <XXCoder> so basically
[22:34:13] <Polymorpic> The x6?
[22:34:17] <Polymorpic> or cheap China 6040
[22:34:18] <XXCoder> man up and make a decison
[22:34:23] <XXCoder> then make it work
[22:34:26] <XXCoder> there ya go
[22:34:38] <Polymorpic> ok
[22:36:27] <Polymorpic> I'll wait to hear back about the 6090 shipping cost
[22:36:40] <XXCoder> cool :)
[22:38:29] <pink_vampire> 11 am
[22:38:47] <pink_vampire> I've just made few insert today,
[22:39:57] <pink_vampire> and I need to get drum sander
[22:42:24] <Polylaptopism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[22:42:31] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you has a drill press?
[22:42:40] <XXCoder> theres this project to convert one to drum sander
[22:42:45] <XXCoder> its not perment convert
[22:42:51] <pink_vampire> I mean just the bit,
[22:43:03] <pink_vampire> now I'm working with the dremel bit.
[22:43:11] <pink_vampire> toooo small.
[22:43:29] <XXCoder> http://www.hackshed.co.uk/turn-your-drill-press-into-a-bobbinspindle-sander/
[22:43:56] <pink_vampire> http://www.harborfreight.com/150-grit-sanding-sleeves-6-pc-60607.html
[22:44:30] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: do you know that I have a milling machine..
[22:44:39] <XXCoder> I know
[22:44:53] <XXCoder> its just that if you has a drill press you can make drum sander, a good one
[22:44:59] <XXCoder> check out url I posted
[22:45:12] <XXCoder> mill can be "converted" same way i bet
[22:45:39] <Polylaptopism> nice link XXCoder
[22:45:39] <Polylaptopism> ty
[22:45:43] <XXCoder> np
[22:46:09] <pink_vampire> http://www.amazon.com/Dremel-430-drum-sanding-mandrel/dp/B00004UDHD
[22:46:21] <pink_vampire> now I'm using something like that.
[22:46:26] <pink_vampire> that 1/8" shank..
[22:46:41] <pink_vampire> on the spindle of the G0704..
[22:46:50] <pink_vampire> with 1/8" collet,
[22:46:54] <XXCoder> thats tiny
[22:47:03] <XXCoder> project I posted you can make quite large drum
[22:47:06] <Tom_itx> ~1/2"
[22:47:15] <pink_vampire> work very nice but it's eat the sand paper after one part.
[22:47:51] <Polylaptopism> does everyone like hte driver mkodule I linked?
[22:49:09] <Tom_itx> it's a leadshine stepper driver... what's more to say about it?
[22:49:28] <pink_vampire> Multi-Axis Stepper
[22:49:36] <pink_vampire> one die - all die,
[22:49:40] <Tom_itx> like the G540
[22:49:44] <pink_vampire> correct.
[22:49:48] <Polylaptopism> how does it compare to geckodrive
[22:49:49] <XXCoder> pink because its tiny, it wears faster
[22:49:54] <Polylaptopism> ore trinyg
[22:50:12] <Polylaptopism> its $350 with 3x motors 311oz and 48v psu
[22:50:13] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I have to use small diameter one,,
[22:50:13] <Polylaptopism> good deal?
[22:50:16] <Tom_itx> some ppl use leadshine
[22:50:33] <pink_vampire> brb
[22:50:34] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: thats my point, you dont have to, you can MAKE larger ones
[22:50:44] <pink_vampire> how?
[22:50:46] <XXCoder> using wood circles, layered
[22:50:51] <XXCoder> then glued together
[22:50:54] <pink_vampire> he show the box of them
[22:51:03] <XXCoder> then sandpaper paper sheet glued on it
[22:51:11] <pink_vampire> how I replace the paper?
[22:51:17] <XXCoder> or better double tape as it can be replaced easier
[22:51:17] <Polylaptopism> very carefully
[22:51:38] <XXCoder> http://www.hackshed.co.uk/turn-your-drill-press-into-a-bobbinspindle-sander/
[22:51:41] <pink_vampire> brbbb
[22:51:54] <Tom_itx> http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/Tools_by_Job/Tools_for_Sanding/Robo-Sander_Flush_Trim_Sander.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=2016-03-gp&gclid=CLTdsMm34ssCFQwPaQodFNQHHw
[22:52:08] <Tom_itx> http://www.sears.com/singley-specialty-sanding-drum-2-1-2inch-x-4/p-SPM7780027627?hlSellerId=21958&sid=IDx20110310x00001i&kpid=SPM7780027627&kispla=SPM7780027627
[22:52:53] <Tom_itx> http://www.rockler.com/25-piece-rubber-sanding-drum-set?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=pla&utm_campaign=PL&sid=V9146&gclid=CNbP0OS34ssCFQ2QaQod-HMNsA
[22:52:59] <Tom_itx> there are 3 right there
[22:53:09] <Tom_itx> last one is multiple sizes
[22:53:54] <Tom_itx> https://jet.com/product/detail/83023e20416344e0bbdca1637c759cd7?jcmp=pla:ggl:gen_hardware_a2:tools_sanders_a2_other:na:na:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&ds_c=gen_hardware_a2&ds_cid&ds_ag=tools_sanders_a2_other&product_id=83023e20416344e0bbdca1637c759cd7&product_partition_id=156845122620&gclid=CKij5YC44ssCFZeEaQodRh4PcA
[22:54:32] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbJymL1AEE4 by that crazy, crazy woodshop guy
[22:56:43] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAU12uk6Ns another drill press one
[22:57:57] <XXCoder> it cost him just $2
[22:58:04] <XXCoder> compare it to $30 each apparently
[22:58:19] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: box, hole, Z axis , gcode code
[22:58:27] <XXCoder> yep
[22:58:49] <XXCoder> your mill would make for a better sand spindle than drill press or that weird thing by that crazy woodshop guy
[22:59:50] <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-800W-VFD-ENGRAVER-4-Axis-CNC-ROUTER-KIT-3040-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-int-/252304451711?hash=item3abe84687f:g:WiYAAOSwx-9Wz-wQ
[23:00:53] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: 3040
[23:01:12] <XXCoder> definitely small
[23:03:16] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/TLE9i8g.png
[23:03:22] <pink_vampire> 4 like that
[23:03:32] <pink_vampire> what do you think?
[23:03:46] <XXCoder> for what?
[23:04:09] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/1bXPMlL.png
[23:04:11] <pink_vampire> that
[23:04:55] <XXCoder> ahh
[23:05:11] <XXCoder> heh hard to see scale with rendered picture, I was [icturing it bigger
[23:05:17] <XXCoder> yeah would work
[23:05:41] <pink_vampire> instead of one large piece to use 4 small ones so it will be easy to modify in the future
[23:06:11] <XXCoder> easier tp replace if it breaks too
[23:06:18] <XXCoder> maybe one row each?
[23:06:43] <pink_vampire> no.. that too much work to cut
[23:07:02] <pink_vampire> I need to cut the cabinet for that..
[23:07:10] <XXCoder> balance between work and repairability
[23:07:36] <pink_vampire> I will have to make the a room for the screws.
[23:09:48] <Polylaptopism> its small but its also cheap
[23:09:49] <Polylaptopism> 1700 less
[23:09:52] <Polylaptopism> it should do pcbs?
[23:09:58] <Polylaptopism> and my 4mm aluminum enclosures?
[23:10:02] <Polylaptopism> routing and engraving
[23:10:12] <XXCoder> seems likely but you will quickly reach size limits
[23:10:21] <XXCoder> little big bigger maybe better
[23:10:25] <Polylaptopism> 80mm z is nice
[23:10:27] <Polylaptopism> hmm, you may be right
[23:10:30] <XXCoder> but then it really depends on your needs
[23:10:31] <pink_vampire> Max. Feeding height ≤60mm
[23:10:48] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: ^
[23:10:51] <Polylaptopism> not enough z clearance or travel you think pink_vampire ?
[23:11:14] <pink_vampire> get the xzero
[23:12:51] <Polylaptopism> I thought the x6 was just as good with larger work area, and that big 6090 might be as good as the x6?
[23:18:07] <pink_vampire> the 6090 is ok
[23:22:27] <Polylaptopism> ok
[23:22:31] <Polylaptopism> lots to think about =D
[23:29:26] <Polylaptopism> I really appreciate everyones advice so far
[23:41:57] <os1r1s> pink_vampire Got all the clearpath's wired up and moving with linuxcnc now!
[23:47:33] * djdelorie is interested in the clearpaths...
[23:48:20] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: what do you mean?
[23:48:50] <os1r1s> Got them wired up to my 7i76 and moving well
[23:49:01] <os1r1s> clearpath servos by teknic
[23:49:41] <pink_vampire> nice
[23:50:01] <pink_vampire> show me parts and chips
[23:59:01] <os1r1s> Still workign on that
[23:59:04] <os1r1s> One step at a time