#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-03-22

[00:35:29] <MrTrick> has anyone tried to machine GT2 pulleys before?
[00:36:22] <MrTrick> (The features can be quite tiny; https://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/n-ou1isn/1mog83/product_images/uploaded_images/gt2tooth.jpg?t=1398725710 )
[00:38:13] <evil_ren> need a .012" endmill for that =\
[00:38:43] <MrTrick> well the pragmatic thing is, that the rubber in the belt teeth is sure to be a little bit squishy...
[00:39:07] <MrTrick> (and yes gt2 pulleys are cheap and widely available, but I want to make something weird)
[00:39:44] <evil_ren> actually nevermind if thats the belt, .04" endmill would work
[00:40:20] <MrTrick> that's still pretty tiny.
[00:43:44] <evil_ren> yeah but its not uncommonly tiny
[01:11:25] <MrTrick> okay it's not lithography. :-P
[01:39:09] <miss0r> i'm seriously considering buying a maho 500c cnc mill. pros/cons?
[02:28:05] <archivist> pros, make anything, cons need mooooore shed
[02:38:50] <maxcnc> Morning from a sunny Germany
[02:39:08] <maxcnc> miss0r: that is a very good choice the maho500c
[02:39:46] <maxcnc> is thee a 232control on it or a haidenhein
[02:40:55] <maxcnc> the philips 232 is the first teatched control ever you only need to know the first gcode number
[02:41:09] <maxcnc> BAD is the block streaming
[02:41:27] <maxcnc> ok work is on till later
[02:42:13] <MrSunshine> hmm to silver solder old carbide tips to something .. do i need to get the coatings of it first ?
[02:43:16] <SpeedEvil> If it's old silver solder, I'd think not
[02:43:31] <MrSunshine> huh ?
[02:43:35] <SpeedEvil> get it clean of course, and flux
[02:44:02] <MrSunshine> yeah .. but im thinking the gold colored coatings etc that is on the inserts
[02:44:02] <SpeedEvil> Oh - you mean clean the thing you're attaching to, not the carbides
[02:44:13] <SpeedEvil> Ah - sorry
[02:44:34] <SpeedEvil> I think they are probably a good idea to clean off, but have no real idea.
[02:44:40] <MrSunshine> got some huge inserts i want to make scraping tools from =)
[02:45:00] <SpeedEvil> I thought HSS was better for scraping as it was sharper
[02:45:10] <SpeedEvil> or do you mean for power
[02:45:50] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: nah not power .. carbide is nice as it doesnt dull as fast =)
[02:46:03] <MrSunshine> and you sharpen it before starting so its razor sharp =)
[03:01:18] <MrSunshine> http://hackaday.com/2016/03/21/just-when-you-thought-magnets-werent-magic-magnets-are-mechanisms/#more-196751
[03:04:13] <SpeedEvil> yeah - non axisymmetric magnets are awesome
[03:04:19] <SpeedEvil> earnshaw is a bitch though
[03:10:09] <Deejay> moin
[03:12:12] <Ralith> SpeedEvil: earnshaw?
[03:12:53] <SpeedEvil> Ralith: Theorist from ~1850 (?) that proved you can't have stable unconstrained non-rotating maglev
[03:16:52] <Ralith> ah
[03:17:02] <Ralith> I wasn't aware there was a proof, neat!
[03:17:09] <Ralith> nonrotating things are for chumps anyway.
[03:18:23] <Ralith> is it really impossible to build some sort of magnetic field bowl? I didn't realize they even had the math to reason about that sort of thing formally back then
[03:21:10] <SpeedEvil> If you mean a static bearing that is stable - yes it's impossible
[03:22:24] <Ralith> I don't suppose you know where I can find the proof offhand?
[04:03:30] <miss0r> maxcnc: sorry for not responding faster (had a crying baby)
[04:03:54] <miss0r> damnit... he left
[04:05:06] <miss0r> anyone else with insight on a maho 500c cnc mill? I will go buy it this saturday. I was hoping to get some pointers/dealbreakers. I won't have a chance to see it before I go there with a cargo transport to pick it up. so I will probaly do some measurements while on site.
[04:05:22] <miss0r> What should I be looking for (the guy promises me everything works completely)
[04:13:03] <MrTrick> miss0r: I don't have any idea about that mill... but I suppose if it's supposed to be working then he'd better be able to demo the functions to you.
[04:13:25] <MrTrick> at the very least that all the electronics, motion control etc is working.
[04:14:04] <miss0r> MrTrick: I was considering that as well. its just a balance between reducing transportation time and seeing it work. it's a 5 hour drive each way, to get there and home
[04:14:17] <MrTrick> I'd suggest as well opening up any hatches and electrical enclosures and checking for leaks.
[04:14:19] <miss0r> so, I wasn't in the mood for using alot of time there looking at it work
[04:14:56] <MrTrick> true, but you won't be in the mood after 10 hours of driving and the purchase price to find that it's a lemon.
[04:14:59] <miss0r> i.e. oil leakage into the electronics
[04:15:10] * miss0r agrees
[04:16:18] <miss0r> this is the machine in question: http://www.dba.dk/cnc-fraeser-maho-500-maho/id-1022144584/
[04:16:35] <miss0r> i'm getting it for ~4000usd
[04:16:53] <miss0r> He emailed me more pictures
[04:16:54] <MrTrick> I'd suggest also solidly clamping a long bar onto the table and using that leverage to see if there's any wobble in the ways.
[04:16:58] <miss0r> (since this doesn't show much)
[04:17:32] <miss0r> also a good idea
[04:17:41] * miss0r is taking notes
[04:17:50] <MrTrick> It does seem like a pretty nice model of machine though for the price.
[04:18:01] <MrTrick> don't forget a good flashlight. ^_^
[04:18:39] <miss0r> indeed. It is a good price... perhaps too good/or I am lucky for once. this is about 1/3 of the normal asking price.
[04:18:41] <MrTrick> and check for anything like burn marks etc that might indicate electrical issues in the past.
[04:18:51] <miss0r> It might be because i'm buying from a private person, and not a machine dealer
[04:19:10] <MrTrick> well, then maybe it's also going into it with the expectation you'll find some issue later and have to spend a bit on it.
[04:19:36] <MrTrick> best of luck. :-)
[04:20:26] <miss0r> Thank you. That is why I am asking in here what to look for. so I can perhaps negotiate the price acordingly, if I should find something horrifying about it
[04:25:23] <rob_h> control would concern me that is all as fixing it is going to cost big and probly not worth it so relay your buying a machine on its own problem with older stuff
[04:26:04] <rob_h> get to see the spindle run and in all its speed ranges so you know it has no issues there and does not need a rebuild and look for signs of damage around spindle, check no one has run into anything etc
[04:27:08] <rob_h> check all axis run smooth and quite, if it sounds abit noisy you might have to replace bearings on screws things like this are what i always check first on CNC stuff 2nd hand
[04:27:29] <miss0r> excelent pointers
[04:27:36] * miss0r is taking some serious notes here.
[04:27:48] <rob_h> after that just look at machine in any other way like anything else , like buying car almost
[04:28:00] <miss0r> indeed
[04:28:33] <rob_h> as it has a swing head. ask if you can see it moved
[04:29:02] <rob_h> then you know how its meant to work.. plus you know it works some times they can stick with the bits in side not sure how the maho on that one works
[04:29:42] <rob_h> other than that it should make a nice little mill and make parts very well and acerate
[04:30:28] <miss0r> that is what I am hoping. It is going to replace a TOS FNK 25A manual mill, and a arboga u2508 CNC converted.
[04:30:45] <miss0r> it will hopefully do it better, faster prettyer and take up less space :)
[04:31:19] <rob_h> price wise prob not bad id say little on top end for the age maybe
[04:31:57] <miss0r> that is somewhat strange :) i've found simular units for sale online(not even as pretty looking, paintwise) going for 12000USD
[04:32:32] <rob_h> not sure what they fetch there , here iv seen them around that price some even more crazy becasue they think its a maho and worth the earth
[04:32:48] <rob_h> and iv seen ones with full CNC head with vertical and horizontal for not much more
[04:33:06] <rob_h> mostly due to the control age , hard to fix
[04:33:31] <miss0r> indeed. the plan is - should the controls fail catastrophicaly, I would replace it with a linuxCNC
[04:33:49] <rob_h> make a nice refit indeed
[04:33:51] <miss0r> might not be completely straight forward, but I imagine it is doable
[04:33:58] <miss0r> refit?
[04:34:11] <rob_h> check the cabnets see if someone played around in side, this normaly tells you how the machine has been in its life, if its been problems or not
[04:34:31] <rob_h> refit=retrofit/convert
[04:34:48] <miss0r> alright. thats what I ment by "converting"
[04:34:54] <miss0r> :)
[04:35:01] <rob_h> just my UK slang lo
[04:35:29] <miss0r> combined with my 'Danish-no-slang' it doesn't translate well ;)
[04:35:36] <rob_h> lo
[04:36:06] <miss0r> I must admit, my biggest fear with this mill, is something mechanically/expensive to replace
[04:36:18] <rob_h> do u get any tooling
[04:36:24] <rob_h> some have crazy tapers in them machines
[04:36:31] <miss0r> The electronics does not worrie me - I am an industrial electrician, I fix/build old electronics for a living
[04:36:37] <rob_h> they are quite sollid
[04:37:01] <miss0r> yeah. it's a ISO-40 spindkle. same as on my TOS FNK 25A, so I already have some
[04:37:19] <rob_h> nice
[04:37:23] <miss0r> with a pneumatic quick change clamping device - Realy looking forward to that
[04:37:34] <rob_h> you can always ask if you can see it cut some metal while there
[04:37:36] <miss0r> not having to re-zero on every tool change
[04:37:47] <rob_h> depends what kinda guy he is. id ask before going so he can set it up
[04:38:08] <miss0r> indeed. I will probally have him on the phone later - i'll ask him there
[04:38:57] <rob_h> i have to go now, but good luck
[04:39:12] <miss0r> alright, see you andround and thanks for the help
[04:42:42] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: way to go on part
[05:05:14] <XXCoder> garlic chips is... interesting. lol
[07:08:58] <MrSunshine> hmm finaly could check the collumn for squareness ... and its way off ... oh well .. to the grinder!
[07:09:19] <MrSunshine> i find it problematic that the weight is very offset when blueing tho :/
[07:16:24] <Sync> that is why deckel had deliberately out of flat shaped surface plates
[07:17:49] <Spida> Sync: why?
[07:18:32] <MrSunshine> Sync: huh ?
[07:18:37] <MrSunshine> cant make sense of that sentance
[07:18:43] * Spida neither
[07:18:57] <MrSunshine> ah out of flat
[07:19:05] <MrSunshine> now i get it :P
[07:19:51] <MrSunshine> had been nice with a smaller plate that i could rub on top insted of lifting this collumn on the surface plate to rub it
[07:20:26] <MrSunshine> i could make one but do not have any cast iron atm ... tho i could go buy some flat plate of cast iron :P
[07:23:34] <Sync> or just buy a 15$ chinese plate
[07:23:47] <Sync> Spida: to compensate for the sagging castings
[07:23:53] <Spida> ah
[07:24:02] <Spida> makes sense now - thx
[07:25:15] <MrSunshine> Sync: buy ... yes .. you can buy everything
[07:25:29] <MrSunshine> but experience ...
[07:25:50] <MrSunshine> and to buy a surface plate around here is atleast 2 - 3 weeks of waiting for it
[07:25:56] <Sync> well, a small surface plate is not really worth my time
[07:26:23] <MrSunshine> no but might be worth mine :P
[07:27:31] <Sync> I have a 200x200mm surface plate exactly for that purpose ;)
[07:46:30] <miss0r|shop> http://9gag.com/gag/aQ8Z54e heh
[07:53:26] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[08:13:54] <Jymmm> oh this is goin to be interestin
[08:52:36] <MrSunshine> gah no luck with cast iron today :/
[09:04:27] <SpeedEvil> scrub it down, and then re-season.
[09:53:39] <OdinYggd> Heh, maybe you guys would know
[09:53:49] <OdinYggd> CNC waterjet, typical light gantry
[09:54:00] <OdinYggd> Its out of round when cutting a circle
[09:54:11] <OdinYggd> even though it has less than 0.002" backlash on YA, YB, and X
[09:54:24] <OdinYggd> and was laser calibrated and ballbar squared in January
[09:55:29] <OdinYggd> The only thing it could be is the material moving under the cutting head? Cause the rack & pinion drives were new before squaring with the ballbar
[09:57:50] <archivist> slipping drive coupling, steploss
[09:59:02] <OdinYggd> Would be visible in backlash test
[09:59:32] <OdinYggd> No steploss on a closed loop servo, though I have had the encoders skip counts before
[09:59:50] <OdinYggd> Slipping drive coupling results in it not tracking accurately when commanded to move- tell it to move 1" and it moves less than that
[09:59:51] <archivist> I have had couplers slip
[10:00:48] <OdinYggd> In any case this is a rack & pinion machine, nice new helical racks and matching pinions in it
[10:01:25] <archivist> racks dont slip drives to pinions do
[10:01:53] <OdinYggd> Yeah, but that would be visible as positioning error
[10:01:58] <SpeedEvil> how out of round?
[10:02:02] <archivist> overload the gantry to detect
[10:02:04] <OdinYggd> 0.025"
[10:02:14] <OdinYggd> on a roughly 4" circle
[10:02:57] <archivist> look for errors (jaggies) on the arc
[10:05:12] <archivist> a count error might show up on the arc, but it also can just create a scale error you are seeing
[10:06:20] <_methods> do you have a dynamic head on it?
[10:07:46] <_methods> is it out of round diff amounts on the top and bottom of the part?
[10:08:09] <_methods> and i didn't see where you said how thick the material was
[10:08:10] <SpeedEvil> what z skew do you need to get .025" out in 4"?
[10:08:21] <SpeedEvil> I mean if the plate isn't down flat
[10:08:48] <SpeedEvil> I think it's probably unfeasibly large but can't do trig in my head while asleep
[10:10:04] <OdinYggd> Plate would have to be flat within 0.063 or the machine would hit it
[10:10:17] <OdinYggd> The head has to be manually raised and lowered to clear the part if it doesn't sit flat
[10:10:24] <SpeedEvil> ah well
[10:10:33] <OdinYggd> This problem appeared in a .063" material, but is consistant on a 1" thick plate
[10:10:41] <_methods> does it have dynamic cutting head?
[10:10:49] <_methods> guess woulnd't matter on .063
[10:11:03] <OdinYggd> It doesn't. The taper it produces is actually more or less uniform
[10:11:05] <_methods> that's thin enough dynamic head proabably wouldnt kick in
[10:11:07] <SpeedEvil> Is the cutting pattern circular, or might it have gone oval?
[10:11:13] <OdinYggd> 0.010" top to bottom
[10:11:16] <OdinYggd> It should be cutting a circle
[10:11:21] <_methods> you must have a physical issue going on
[10:11:34] <OdinYggd> I'm actually opening up the cad file right now on a hunch that maybe it didn't stay round
[10:11:45] <_methods> oh
[10:11:52] <_methods> well that would be an issue lol
[10:12:23] <SpeedEvil> PEBKAC is always popular.
[10:13:19] <OdinYggd> Partfile checks out
[10:13:53] <OdinYggd> I suspect that the material starts to move on the last quarter turn of the cut, and when it does changes the jet's geometry just enough to cause this
[10:14:14] <OdinYggd> all things considered, the effective tool diameter of this thing is right around 0.030
[10:14:34] <SpeedEvil> I'd have thought .063" would move a lot more than 1"
[10:14:38] <SpeedEvil> and not be consistent
[10:15:04] <_methods> is the material clamped down good?
[10:15:10] <OdinYggd> This is very consistent, just under 4" circle having 0.025-0.030" runout
[10:15:38] <OdinYggd> We use wood screws to attach light materials to the machine's brickwork so that it holds still
[10:15:47] <_methods> hmm
[10:15:53] <OdinYggd> but I know there have been issues before where the piece that was just cut starts to float away before it is finished
[10:15:54] <_methods> and you've checked for backlash?
[10:16:04] <OdinYggd> Less than 0.002" on X and Y
[10:16:17] <OdinYggd> The gantry has a work envelope of 122" x 62"
[10:16:22] <SpeedEvil> If it's moving in the last quarter of teh cut, then the material should measure right if you measure in the right place, as it's only a 90 degree sector that's out
[10:16:27] <OdinYggd> So I wouldn't expect more than a few tenths of backlash
[10:16:48] <_methods> what distances did you check for lash over?
[10:16:54] <_methods> small moves like the circle?
[10:17:09] <OdinYggd> 1" dial indicator repeated at a couple of places
[10:18:20] <OdinYggd> Usually I zero the indicator, do a 0.1" incremental move a couple of times one way to check for scaling or slip, then when the indicator hasn't enough travel to do another go back a step and note the backlash at that point
[10:19:04] <OdinYggd> Usually shows right up, on this one it varies from 0 to 0.002"
[10:19:51] <_methods> that's weird
[10:20:17] <gregcnc> if you think the material is moving screw the circle down as well and check to see if it still heppens
[10:20:53] <_methods> same thing happening if you cut smaller circles too?
[10:21:01] <SpeedEvil> sure there isn't any stress in the material?
[10:21:41] <SpeedEvil> oh - two thicknesses therefore two materials - nvm
[10:22:24] <gregcnc> but i wouldn't expect inch thick matl to move far
[10:41:19] <joem_> where might one find HSS tool blanks locally?
[10:41:22] <joem_> grainger or fastenal maybe?
[10:42:23] <archivist> I got my last bunch off ebay
[10:43:30] <joem_> yeah i just hate waiting lol
[10:43:39] <joem_> blocked by a lack of a threading tool
[10:44:31] <joem_> hmm
[10:44:32] <archivist> if desperate just re purpose one you have
[10:44:39] <joem_> lol
[10:44:48] <joem_> all my tooling is carbide tipped doo dads
[10:45:03] <joem_> none of them have enough meat to turn into a inside threading tool
[10:45:05] <archivist> wotnohss at all
[10:46:41] * joem_ is a noob
[10:57:30] <_methods> mcmaster/grainger/msc should all have them
[10:58:05] <_methods> http://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Turning-Boring/Tool-Bit-Blanks?searchterm=hss+blanks&navid=4287923681
[10:58:13] <joem_> msc, awesome they have a local place
[11:00:59] <gregcnc> wtf https://www.instagram.com/p/BDOmsF-N7sc/
[11:01:01] <joem_> hmm can't tell if its open to public or not
[11:01:14] <joem_> heh pink bench lathe, sweet
[11:01:30] <gregcnc> check to see if they willcall
[11:01:55] <archivist> joem_, all traders are public really, and the like money
[11:02:31] <archivist> just dont go dressed in a suit
[11:03:01] <joem_> i mean, do they have anything there or is it just order and distribution center
[11:03:12] <joem_> i.e. i order form them, but still willcall pickup will be tomorrow
[11:03:15] <joem_> because of shipping, etc
[11:03:34] <archivist> a lot have trade counters
[11:03:46] <joem_> ahhh gotcha
[11:03:52] <joem_> i've been to the fastenal
[11:03:54] <joem_> they have a small showroom
[11:04:04] <gregcnc> in the old days you'd call them to see if they can help you
[11:04:11] <joem_> lol
[11:04:57] <archivist> we have a local trade counter where the idiots have no stock, "we can order it in sir"
[11:05:26] <archivist> faster to get it off ebay
[11:05:34] <joem_> i don't want fop goddammit, i'm a dapper dan man
[11:05:51] <joem_> "mind your language, youngin', this is a public place. now if you want dapper dan i can order it. 'll be here in 2 weeks."
[11:06:01] <joem_> well ain't this place a geographical oddity! two weeks from everywhere!
[11:06:52] <CaptHindsight> the Fastenals around here have a hub that stocks most everything that they sell so it will be at your local store by the next am
[11:07:28] <CaptHindsight> it works out to be lower cost than using next day air
[11:07:40] <joem_> yeah, fastenal is just down the road from me as well, so
[11:07:47] <joem_> their prices aren't very good though hehe
[11:07:52] <joem_> at least for something
[11:07:53] <joem_> s
[11:08:07] <CaptHindsight> but their prices are higher than just about anyone but Grainer and if Tiffany and Co sold fasteners
[11:08:27] <joem_> LOL
[11:08:40] <joem_> this tool is a Fastenal tool, i plan to give it to my grandchildren one day
[11:08:47] <joem_> heirloom hss tool blanks
[11:09:04] <gregcnc> I would say there are quite a few like that
[11:09:46] <gregcnc> nice https://www.instagram.com/p/BDHZzomqSvx/
[11:12:59] <Simonious> so.. I can't scale a drawing in solidworks, because there are too many entities and it simply can't scroll down far enough to get to the part where I set the new scale.. wtf?
[11:14:18] <gregcnc> I had someone send me a dxf with 40,000 lines. SW crashed if I did anything after opening it.
[11:14:40] <joem_> > SW crashed
[11:14:43] <joem_> but that NEVER happens
[11:24:01] <gregcnc> simonious, do you have the up arrows near the enities box? click it
[11:25:37] <Simonious> gregcnc: honestly it's puzzling, it's a 437kb DXF and it's making the whole computer slow
[11:25:42] <Simonious> sizable assemblies haven't done that
[11:26:00] <gregcnc> yes, same as my experience
[11:26:08] <Simonious> At the moment I've got it in inkscape and am wondering if there is a way to export it so it isn't so weighty
[11:28:52] <Simonious> trying the simplify option in inkscape.. it's having a good think
[11:46:09] <pink_vampire> hi
[11:46:15] <pink_vampire> someone here?
[11:46:25] <Simonious> just you vampires
[11:46:46] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/J42TZe0.png
[11:46:56] <pink_vampire> here is the finish part :)
[11:47:06] <Simonious> it's a boob!
[11:47:41] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/bMZt37d.png
[11:47:57] <pink_vampire> anther angle^
[11:48:11] <Simonious> what is the medium?
[11:48:27] <pink_vampire> styrofoam
[11:48:39] <pink_vampire> glue with wood glue
[11:48:53] <Simonious> Normally when girls send me pictures of their boobs on the internet.. well ;)
[11:49:32] <pink_vampire> LOL I'm a girl!
[11:49:54] <Simonious> Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
[11:51:16] <miss0r|shop> there we go! sunday I will go pick up my new-to-me MAHO 500c cnc mill.
[11:52:35] <Simonious> in Inkscape if I very tediously combine/simply small sections of my drawing, will that ultimately result in something that solidworks/fusion360 can cope with better?
[11:52:36] * miss0r|shop is interrested in knowing if pink_vampire was the source of the 3D model...
[11:52:57] <Simonious> miss0r|shop: if you were making boob models and you had boobs, would you start with someone else's?
[11:53:12] <miss0r|shop> good point...
[11:53:30] <miss0r|shop> I don't think castings of my man-boobs would sell all that well, thou
[11:53:42] <Simonious> beats me
[11:53:44] <Simonious> I'm not judging
[11:53:47] <pink_vampire> now I have anther part to make.
[11:53:53] <djdelorie> I'd start with a mathematical model or some easily downloaded dataset...
[11:54:07] <Simonious> pink_vampire: You could just mirror the first one
[11:54:29] <Simonious> pink_vampire: what is the plan for these parts?
[11:54:43] <pink_vampire> anther none boob part.
[11:55:00] <pink_vampire> Simonious: you will never know...
[11:55:08] * Simonious chuckles
[11:55:21] <Simonious> Statements like that only serve to enhance curiousity.
[11:55:29] * miss0r|shop nods
[11:55:48] <pink_vampire> lol
[11:55:56] <djdelorie> pink_vampire: I can't help but ask... are these for some serious application, or just for fun?
[11:56:12] <pink_vampire> some serious application
[11:56:20] <Simonious> djdelorie: unless she indicates otherwise, I'm going to assume she's got a contract with the sex-robotics industry.
[11:56:27] <djdelorie> have you considered 3dprinting with ninjaflex?
[11:56:30] <miss0r|shop> ... how the hell did you scan them anyway ? :S
[11:57:01] <pink_vampire> the modeling was the easy part..
[11:57:31] <miss0r|shop> I'm a mastercam guy, too me that sounds pretty impossible
[11:58:22] <pink_vampire> you need to start will good reference....
[11:58:58] <pink_vampire> miss0r|shop: ^
[11:59:33] <miss0r|shop> somehow I am trying to imagine you, laying on the CNC table(naked ofc.) with a heinke dial poking around your boob for measurements.
[11:59:34] <miss0r|shop> ;)
[12:00:18] <pink_vampire> probe :)
[12:00:20] <miss0r|shop> thats the way I would do it anyway... the one big problem with that aproach, the way I see it - the model would need to be frozen for consistent measurements
[12:00:34] <miss0r|shop> last time I checked, girls don't dig being frozen
[12:01:30] <pink_vampire> I make it from surfaces in solidworks.
[12:01:54] <miss0r|shop> Thank you! :)
[12:02:17] <pink_vampire> about what?
[12:02:23] <miss0r|shop> what mill/router did you use to cut it with?
[12:02:29] <miss0r|shop> for the eksplaination
[12:02:33] <pink_vampire> G0704
[12:03:25] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/WhHoT9p.png
[12:03:30] <miss0r|shop> which convertion? (I assume you didn't read g-code and turn the dial manualy)
[12:03:37] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/Wc8bgID.png
[12:04:21] <miss0r|shop> it does look to me like something that would be all kinds of messy, with a electrostatic surface near by
[12:04:45] <pink_vampire> actually it was very simple to clean.
[12:05:03] <pink_vampire> I'm using dry lubrication on my machine.
[12:05:21] * djdelorie was about to suggest that
[12:05:27] <miss0r|shop> well, that makes all the difference then. You can just vacume it all up then
[12:05:45] <miss0r|shop> If I were to start cutting well.. any kind of foam in here, it would be hell
[12:06:09] <pink_vampire> I've used 3/4" end mill.
[12:06:27] <pink_vampire> eat it very nice.
[12:06:42] <pink_vampire> 1000 rpm. 600mm/min feed rate.
[12:07:02] <miss0r|shop> the G0704 does 10k rpm? :o
[12:07:14] <pink_vampire> no
[12:07:18] <pink_vampire> 2K max.
[12:07:36] <miss0r|shop> yeah...
[12:07:39] <miss0r|shop> didn't read that right
[12:07:39] <pink_vampire> I need to find better glue
[12:08:09] <pink_vampire> the wood glue dose not machine very well..
[12:08:28] <miss0r|shop> I am having a hard time figuering out if my newly aquired mill will do 4000 or 5000rpm. the interwebs give all kinds of answers to the question
[12:08:48] <djdelorie> 3M super 77 spray glue?
[12:09:08] <pink_vampire> I need a glue that after it dry it will be like the foam.
[12:09:11] <miss0r|shop> have you considered using hair spray? the one with lacker(correct word?) in it
[12:09:37] <miss0r|shop> yeah, hair spray
[12:09:37] <pink_vampire> it will destroy it.
[12:09:47] <miss0r|shop> you quite sure about that?
[12:09:58] <djdelorie> hmmm... two-part foam? Or that spray-foam they use for insulation?
[12:10:22] <pink_vampire> you can't use solvents on styrofoam
[12:10:25] <miss0r|shop> I have used it quite alot, back in the day when I used to build alot of coil-guns. :) Just to keep the coils steady.
[12:10:39] <miss0r|shop> hmm.. I guess not.
[12:11:05] <pink_vampire> solvents on styrofoam will melt it.
[12:12:01] <miss0r|shop> acetone+styrefoam + a pinch of gasoline... that's how I made a sort-of napalm in my youth. It did realy great if you loaded the end of a rocket(fireworks) with it.
[12:12:37] <pink_vampire> WTF!
[12:12:39] <miss0r|shop> Might I ask - why the styrofoam? why not wood or even aluminum? :)
[12:12:47] <gregcnc> add a filler to the epoxy, talc
[12:13:00] <pink_vampire> very nice to machine it.
[12:13:20] <miss0r|shop> you mean fast? "niceness" is subjective
[12:13:43] <pink_vampire> I mean it's a foam..
[12:13:56] <gregcnc> or just lightly brush it on, there is no load so you don't need so much it fills the voids between the beads
[12:14:43] <pink_vampire> you can test stuff on it. very easy, If you have an issue you just flat the top, and glue another piece of foam
[12:14:44] <miss0r|shop> gregcnc: Have you heard: I bought the MAHO 500C i talked my ass off about
[12:15:20] <miss0r|shop> pink_vampire: I get that. but you use it for casting forms afterwards? otherwise foam doesn't serve much of a purpose?
[12:15:30] <gregcnc> I did see. Good Luck!
[12:15:53] <pink_vampire> miss0r|shop: I'm use it for casting and testing.
[12:15:55] <miss0r|shop> i'll probally need it. the logistics in this project is a hassle
[12:16:31] <pink_vampire> this one going to be latex
[12:16:31] <gregcnc> does it have a power drawbar for easy tool changes?
[12:16:31] <miss0r|shop> gregcnc: yep - pneumatic
[12:17:18] <pink_vampire> do you want to see the next part....
[12:17:23] <miss0r|shop> pink_vampire: alright. Not a bad idea with the testing actualy.. I have a few good blocks of modelling foam lying around. I might go ahead and do a test cut in that before destroying some expensive material
[12:17:33] <miss0r|shop> sure - I must admit you have me curious
[12:18:08] <pink_vampire> the foam the I've use was just packing material..
[12:18:15] <pink_vampire> so for me it's free.
[12:18:47] <bobo__> miss0r|shop that 500C Maho mill looks interesting. the controll panel has Deckel Maho label but the ram looks older than their mergertime
[12:19:30] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/cvfGHUa.png
[12:19:40] <miss0r|shop> bobo__: yeah - the specific unit i bought had the panel cover replaced sometime not long ago, cause the labels was worn off. so thats probally why it has deckel on it
[12:20:00] <miss0r|shop> pink_vampire: so thats a bracket for holding the boob ? :)
[12:20:18] <bobo__> hope you get the tape of constants for the machine
[12:20:35] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/5F5PRqf.png
[12:20:38] <miss0r|shop> bobo__: Yes, it comes with the machine
[12:20:44] <pink_vampire> this the bottom side.
[12:21:01] <pink_vampire> and no, it's not for them.
[12:21:16] <djdelorie> and hopefully not made of foam :-)
[12:21:22] <miss0r|shop> I got a bucketload of 'free' modelling foam, that came with my rolandDG PNC-3100 mill. good little machine
[12:21:35] <pink_vampire> 2024-t3 aluminum
[12:22:01] <miss0r|shop> bobo__: althou, I do believe the machine constants are just written in the manual - for manual typing.
[12:22:08] <pink_vampire> 8.5mm thick.
[12:22:28] <pink_vampire> I need to make 6 of them..
[12:22:37] <miss0r|shop> in two setups each?
[12:22:55] <pink_vampire> one by one..
[12:23:17] <miss0r|shop> well, yeah - how many times do you plan to turn/rotate the part, and resetting it in the mill?
[12:23:47] <pink_vampire> I can do it on one shot.
[12:24:04] <pink_vampire> but how I can make the other side?
[12:24:05] <bobo__> the controler uses a 6Volt battery to keep the constants in memory, but a new battery is only good for about a month of no power
[12:24:15] <pink_vampire> I have the back with the slot.
[12:24:36] <miss0r|shop> bobo__: the battery was replaced rescently. So I think it will do.
[12:24:41] <pink_vampire> the the curves.
[12:25:20] <miss0r|shop> pink_vampire: I would probally do the slot and the holes to start with, then mount it in the mill on the side and then do the curves
[12:25:28] * djdelorie wonders... mill slot and the two holes, use those to clamp it on its side to mill the curves?
[12:25:43] <djdelorie> ninja'd!
[12:26:08] <miss0r|shop> something like that :)
[12:26:30] <pink_vampire> the drilling and the slotting is easy.
[12:26:45] <pink_vampire> to set it up on the vise is 5 secs..
[12:27:06] <miss0r|shop> or perhaps: do the curves, leaveing 5 mm of material as a base(the material should be oversized from the start). rotate 90degrees - do the slot and holes, rotate 90 degrees and mill off the excess material from the bottom
[12:27:31] <miss0r|shop> that would ensure some sort of consistency
[12:28:23] <bobo__> that Maho looks very clean from the photos, hope it exceeds your expectation. I think they are good machines
[12:28:37] <miss0r|shop> bobo__: one might consider doing a powersupply, that constantly draws a little power to maintain the battery
[12:29:10] <miss0r|shop> bobo__: thanks. So do I. I have seem them go for upwards of 10000EUR...
[12:29:30] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking to cut the material of I will get 6 blanks.
[12:29:32] <miss0r|shop> and I got this for a steal... I did throw in my arboga U2508 with a CNC controller, to get the price right
[12:30:12] <pink_vampire> then clamp all of them in the vice. go with the fly cutter and square them
[12:30:23] <miss0r|shop> indeed
[12:30:32] <miss0r|shop> that sounds like a pretty good plan
[12:31:00] <miss0r|shop> I need to go feed the family. have fun people
[12:31:04] <pink_vampire> then, to put a stopper on the vice, an paralles and do the rest.
[12:31:10] <pink_vampire> thanks!
[12:32:15] <Simonious> pink_vampire: so how many PMs did you get requesting to see the 'original' model?
[12:32:39] <pink_vampire> nothing :(
[12:32:43] <pink_vampire> I
[12:32:46] * Simonious chuckles
[12:33:07] <pink_vampire> what can I do:(
[12:33:18] <gregcnc> the market is saturated
[12:33:24] * Simonious laughs
[12:33:54] <bobo__> The ones I have , were less than $3K each . but I have seen some really strange prices . To me they are only worth what you will pay
[12:34:14] <pink_vampire> bobo__: price for what?
[12:35:09] <bobo__> price for what ever you are willing to buy
[12:35:43] <pink_vampire> I'm lost.
[12:35:52] <pink_vampire> 3K for what?
[12:36:02] <pink_vampire> cnc machine?
[12:36:06] <bobo__> Maho price
[12:36:58] <pink_vampire> ok...
[12:37:25] <pink_vampire> I think 3K for that is nice.
[12:37:50] <gregcnc> it's hard to get the seller to agree with what you think it's worth
[12:37:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1d4.htm if this had a FPGA on it this would save me lots of problems (6"x6" AMD board with APU and DDR3)
[12:38:20] <pink_vampire> unfortunately i don't have the space and way to bring something like that to second floor on wood house
[12:39:04] <bobo__> do what NYCCNC did
[12:40:29] <pink_vampire> what he did?
[12:42:03] <bobo__> moved out of the city then moved out of NY state then moved to where they are now
[12:42:46] <pink_vampire> I like the area here.
[12:42:57] <CaptHindsight> I find it helpful to plan ahead
[12:43:04] <pink_vampire> and the g0704 is fine for my needs.
[12:43:25] <CaptHindsight> get a place with solid concrete floors on the ground floor
[12:43:25] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: I want kids.
[12:43:46] <bobo__> rent them
[12:43:59] <pink_vampire> WTF!
[12:44:27] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: I want peace and goodwill towards mankind
[12:45:02] <mozmck> pink_vampire: build a shop! - or are you in the city somewhere?
[12:45:32] <CaptHindsight> but I'd still look for a proper place for machines
[12:46:41] <pink_vampire> shop is a good idea..
[12:46:49] <pink_vampire> I want to do air brush.
[12:47:20] <CaptHindsight> be careful and don't get overspray in your eyes
[12:47:21] <gregcnc> I like TomLiptons setup
[12:47:30] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: that already exists... you can read about it in the Bible. Maybe what you want is for man to have peace with each other?
[12:47:58] <CaptHindsight> piece
[12:49:24] <CaptHindsight> fishermans bible?
[12:50:10] <CaptHindsight> thou shalt not cast a line inside thine hut
[12:55:40] <pink_vampire> the aluminum plate is so dirty
[12:55:42] <CaptHindsight> so lets see 1) kid friendly, 2) floors for machines, 3) air brush area, anyhtinmg else or does this best describe the workspace required?
[12:56:57] <pink_vampire> sawing.
[12:56:58] <_methods> THUNDERDOME!!!
[12:57:10] <pink_vampire> modeling and casting.
[12:57:49] <CaptHindsight> sounds like an easy space to find
[12:57:52] <_methods> http://gringalicious.com/cadbury-cream-egg-stuffed-donut-holes-malted-chocolate-marshmallow-fluff/
[12:58:18] <OdinYggd> Found what might be causing the lack of squareness btw
[12:58:34] <OdinYggd> The YB home switch appears to have become unreliable
[12:58:35] <_methods> so what was it?
[12:58:40] <pink_vampire> _methods: tooo much sugar
[12:58:41] <CaptHindsight> I'm looking for more Peeps recipes
[12:59:06] <_methods> is that one of the switches down by the head?
[12:59:15] <_methods> those things always go bad
[12:59:34] <OdinYggd> On this machine its inside a sealed rubber bellows and travels with the gantry
[12:59:42] <OdinYggd> X YA YB Z
[13:00:03] <_methods> ah our jet has 2 motors on the nozzle
[13:00:08] <OdinYggd> There's two Y axis movements that operate in sync, if they are not correctly aligned to one another it twists the machine out of frame
[13:00:11] <_methods> those limit switches on that always go bad
[13:00:16] <OdinYggd> ah
[13:00:24] <OdinYggd> What kind of jet?
[13:00:28] <_methods> flow
[13:00:35] <OdinYggd> this one is a Calypso
[13:00:41] <_methods> ouch
[13:00:44] <_methods> sorry to hear that lol
[13:00:49] <OdinYggd> Why's that?
[13:00:54] <_methods> i hate waterjets
[13:01:00] <OdinYggd> ah.
[13:01:08] <_methods> i thought calypso went under
[13:01:13] <OdinYggd> They did.
[13:01:19] <OdinYggd> This was a 2001.
[13:01:26] <_methods> yeah that's why i said ouch
[13:01:38] <OdinYggd> In any case, the former employees of calypso bought back the rights to the design
[13:02:00] <OdinYggd> Operating under the new name American Waterjet Products, they've created the next generation calypso
[13:02:15] <OdinYggd> This was a 2001 vintage Mk1 that a few months ago they retrofitted to the Mk4 platform
[13:02:20] <_methods> flow and omax pretty much have that market sewn up
[13:02:40] <OdinYggd> Basically a brand new machine built on top of the original tank, replacing everything except the tank proper and the YA/YB guiderails
[13:02:41] <CaptHindsight> yah know there aren't any new x86 mini PC's with ethernet or PCIe for under $175
[13:02:52] <CaptHindsight> with wifi they are <$80
[13:03:25] <CaptHindsight> I smell conspiracy
[13:03:32] <OdinYggd> Or stupid users.
[13:03:35] <OdinYggd> And the market reacting to them
[13:03:49] <OdinYggd> Normally oyu don't use a mini PC for anything high enough performance to need a real ethernet connection
[13:04:00] <OdinYggd> IoT favors wifi because stupid users
[13:05:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883254005
[13:06:06] <CaptHindsight> $153
[13:06:23] <OdinYggd> You know what else makes that one expensive.
[13:06:26] <OdinYggd> SD.
[13:06:41] <OdinYggd> Units with an ethernet port are geared for poewr users, with SSDs and more ram
[13:07:19] <CaptHindsight> nah, it's just priced there because
[13:10:15] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/YfFW3R7.png
[13:14:59] <pink_vampire> someone know about motorized caliper?
[13:15:22] <CaptHindsight> what speed?
[13:16:06] <pink_vampire> speed?
[13:16:09] <gregcnc> metric or imperial?
[13:16:17] <pink_vampire> I don't care
[13:16:20] <CaptHindsight> left or right handed?
[13:16:56] <gregcnc> internal or external?
[13:17:00] <pink_vampire> just so I can set the measurement and it will open to the right size.
[13:17:27] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: ever play that game with the balls that roll around that you have to get into the holes?
[13:18:00] <pink_vampire> I never play games.
[13:18:05] <pink_vampire> live too short
[13:18:09] <pink_vampire> life*
[13:18:29] <maxcnc> hi
[13:18:36] <CaptHindsight> all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
[13:19:17] <gregcnc> can't trust automatic calipers http://imgur.com/gallery/GTk0h37
[13:19:21] <CaptHindsight> I was working on a paddle for solitaire ping-pong
[13:19:47] <CaptHindsight> the ball is on an elastic cord
[13:21:03] <CaptHindsight> can't decide on what to do with the net
[13:21:52] <CaptHindsight> do you think there is a business in selling games for pets?
[13:22:20] <CaptHindsight> not fish, that would be just silly
[13:23:11] <_methods> fish don't like nets anyways
[13:24:40] <CaptHindsight> almost $200 http://liliputing.com/2014/10/zotac-zbox-pico-pocket-sized-desktop-pc-review.html
[13:26:21] <pink_vampire> I can
[13:26:38] <pink_vampire> I can't fit the parts on the stock :(
[13:27:21] <maxcnc> Q does csomeone know how to delete the timelimit on Qcad
[13:27:46] <maxcnc> where is the file that stores the end of the pro version demo
[13:28:43] <cradek> maxcnc: there's a free software version of qcad - it might have a different name now
[13:28:59] <maxcnc> librecad
[13:29:04] <cradek> yeah that!
[13:29:14] <_methods> nacholibrecad
[13:29:26] <maxcnc> but that has not the featurers of the real stuff
[13:29:41] <cradek> yet it respects your freedom and doesn't screw with you
[13:29:59] <maxcnc> ok
[13:31:41] <Simonious> maxcnc: that DXF _really_ slows down SolidWorks or Fusion360. Thinking about combinging a ton of lines by hand and using the simply operation in Inkscape, don't know if it would help
[13:32:40] <maxcnc> its maybe to big as it comes in inch
[13:33:04] <Simonious> I scaled it to 12" using inkscape
[13:33:21] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/DDhT6xc.png
[13:33:49] <pink_vampire> any idea?
[13:33:56] <maxcnc> ok then its like i produced it in 200x200mm
[13:34:49] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: did you got mice in shop that grappt the part
[13:34:58] <_methods> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b0/8b/60/b08b60361565bdb818f40f2707b13ea7.jpg
[13:35:01] <_methods> any idea?
[13:35:38] <djdelorie> pink_vampire: unless you rotate them 20-30 degrees to make them fit, "it doesn't fit"
[13:36:21] <CaptHindsight> _methods: can't fool me
[13:36:21] <pink_vampire> alot of waste :(
[13:36:29] <_methods> lol
[13:37:06] <CaptHindsight> _methods: thats a guy in a unicorn suit
[13:37:08] <_methods> it's not goatse at least
[13:37:09] <pink_vampire> 50% waste
[13:37:22] <FloppyDisk> Simonious - there's a path or trace command/operation in one of the inkscape dropdowns that I used, but don't recall.
[13:37:23] <FloppyDisk> https://inkscape.org/en/doc/tracing/tutorial-tracing.html
[13:37:36] <FloppyDisk> Might help... Looking for info, seemed to misplace it:-(
[13:37:55] <Simonious> FloppyDisk: didn
[13:37:57] <Simonious> t
[13:38:02] <Simonious> you tell me about blue-something for inkscape?
[13:38:26] <Simonious> bigbluesaw
[13:38:53] <gregcnc> always design parts for stock you have on hand
[13:39:03] <Loetmichel> *meh* just returned home.. and my injury starts to hurt less... but ITCH like crazy... and i cant scratch it... MAAAAAN... (next time i should be more careful with that deburr tool to not cut myself in the first place.)
[13:39:16] <_methods> gregcnc: stop with your silly logic
[13:40:18] <FloppyDisk> Not me, not sure what bigbluesaw is??
[13:40:31] <Simonious> neither am I!
[13:40:39] <Simonious> http://www.bigbluesaw.com/saw/big-blue-saw-blog/general-updates/big-blue-saws-dxf-export-for-inkscape.html
[13:41:14] <FloppyDisk> wasn't me, but hmmpfff, that's interesting. Did you use it?
[13:41:34] <Simonious> nope!
[13:41:39] <Simonious> my inkscape is stock atm
[13:42:12] <FloppyDisk> Same here - always used it and then fiddled around w/ image - oh I remember now...
[13:42:25] <maxcnc> i use this for all export
[13:42:31] <FloppyDisk> I think you need to make the image a 'path' or something, then export, I forget:-(
[13:42:45] <maxcnc> keep in mind that you do not need all files of the zip
[13:43:02] * Simonious nods
[13:43:07] <Simonious> I'm only looking at the DXF
[13:43:11] <maxcnc> vectorise it
[13:43:19] <maxcnc> PATH bitmap vektori
[13:43:29] <maxcnc> then you got 2 images
[13:43:41] <maxcnc> one with Kontur and fill option and one without
[13:44:03] <Simonious> I'm not seeing bitmap under path
[13:44:03] <maxcnc> keep the with
[13:44:03] <maxcnc> del the without
[13:44:16] <Simonious> oh.. trace bitmap
[13:44:17] <Simonious> hmm
[13:44:21] <Simonious> but.. it's already a DXF
[13:44:39] <maxcnc> you need a Black and white to go for a pic to dxf
[13:44:54] <_methods> LOL
[13:45:01] <_methods> oops
[13:45:03] <_methods> not that funny
[13:45:09] <FloppyDisk> if already dxf, then I'd be editing (painstakingly) the dxf... Maybe someone else has a suggestion...
[13:45:33] <_methods> why are you editing a dxf in inkscape?
[13:46:02] <CaptHindsight> ZOTAC ZBOX's start at ~$120 http://www.amazon.com/CoreAll--Mini-PC-Express-Chipset-ZBOXHD-ID40-U/dp/B004FPYL9M/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1458670729&sr=1-2&keywords=zotac+zbox
[13:46:06] <FloppyDisk> I would edit in draftsight..
[13:46:10] <_methods> ^^
[13:46:14] <_methods> draftsight is free
[13:46:15] <Simonious> _methods: well it was an image converted to a DXF - when I try to edit it in solidworks OR fusion360 they choke on it hard and freeze up
[13:46:24] <Simonious> honestly I'm thinking about grapping sketchup pro so I can mess with it a little
[13:46:25] <_methods> ah
[13:46:39] <_methods> so what did you use to convert this image to dxf?
[13:46:41] <Simonious> but ulitimately I still need to generate g-code and I plan to use f360 for that
[13:46:47] <_methods> you used inkscape for the initial conversion?
[13:46:47] <maxcnc> shoudt i make a short Tut for PIC to DXF via inc
[13:46:51] <Simonious> _methods: I used inkscape, maxcnc also used inkscape
[13:46:57] <_methods> yeah
[13:47:38] <maxcnc> only for JPG or PNG to DXF
[13:47:39] <_methods> but you have solidworks right?
[13:47:59] <Simonious> yes
[13:48:11] <_methods> solidworks has a pretty decent bitmap tracer
[13:49:19] <_methods> http://www.caddedge.com/blog/bid/67472/How-to-Trace-a-Picture-into-SolidWorks-Using-AutoTrace
[13:49:44] <_methods> oops
[13:49:46] <_methods> http://www.solidsmack.com/cad/how-to-really-create-vector-graphics-of-zombie-monkeys-in-solidworks/
[13:49:50] <_methods> the real tut
[13:50:37] <Simonious> I'm inclined to think that inkscape is a better tool for that sort of thing
[13:51:09] <_methods> how's that working out for ya?
[13:51:22] <Simonious> ha!
[13:51:33] <Simonious> until this point, pretty good
[13:53:06] <FloppyDisk> My image workflow has been: image to inkscape, trace and export to dxf. Open w/ draftsight, fix open ends... Import into sketch in SW's. Extrude from there...
[13:53:36] <FloppyDisk> It's been a while, always frustrating and I don't do it sometimes because of the time...
[13:53:52] <_methods> yeah
[13:54:06] <_methods> i usually just bring the jpg into solidworks and trace it by hand
[13:54:25] <_methods> by time i get done dickin around with inkscape i could have drawn it 100x usually
[13:54:31] <FloppyDisk> _methods - I can see value in that because then you're not zooming in/out in draftsight to find any issues...
[13:54:43] <FloppyDisk> I think sw's will sometimes show me where the open gap is, forget.
[13:54:49] <_methods> and then searching for open loops
[13:54:55] <_methods> it will
[13:55:16] <_methods> i think it's in sketch tools
[13:55:22] <_methods> look for gaps or soemthing like that
[13:55:24] <FloppyDisk> ^^ So add to workflow - try in sW's, return to draftsight to fix, etc...
[13:55:35] <_methods> repair sketch
[13:56:11] <_methods> tools>sketch tools>repair sketch
[13:56:21] <FloppyDisk> ^^ Thanks - will try it.
[14:00:48] <CaptHindsight> $26.99 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130759&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Motherboards+-+AMD-_-N82E16813130759&gclid=CLC8yJL31MsCFQ-oaQod45UOew&gclsrc=aw.ds
[14:04:12] <_methods> that canadian version of donald trump died
[14:06:03] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
[14:06:20] <CaptHindsight> $35 with LPT port http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157490
[14:06:45] <_methods> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/22/471433387/rob-ford-torontos-infamous-former-mayor-dies
[14:07:14] <CaptHindsight> they gave him all this crap when he was dying of cancer
[14:07:44] <_methods> they're going to have to find a new trump clone
[14:07:53] <_methods> oh damn i have an idea
[14:07:58] <_methods> we'll just send them our trump
[14:08:15] <CaptHindsight> is Drumph going to legalize Crack?
[14:08:29] <_methods> apparently it's already legal in canada
[14:08:59] <CaptHindsight> sorry Drumpf
[14:09:26] <CaptHindsight> will you be able to buy it through the fence?
[14:10:03] <_methods> HEHE
[14:10:12] <CaptHindsight> at least the fence will keep people from falling over Niagra Falls
[14:10:46] <tiwake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93SJM-weEb8
[14:10:52] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to see one right across Lake Ontario and Huron
[14:16:16] <CaptHindsight> $105 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-performance-AMD-E350-2g-ram-32g-ssd-mini-ITX-embedded-cases-net-computer-Net-computer/32219334491.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.diTHaQ&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201602_5_10036_10035_10034_507_10020_10001_2030015_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_9&btsid=7e9f3ce0-e094-4c3f-a6f1-00f5a3d501ee
[14:19:53] <CaptHindsight> threy have barebone Celeron version for $70 with the case
[14:20:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/XCY-New-MINI-PC-computer-X30-series-Celeron-N2830-N2930-J1800-dual-core-with-wifi-embedded/32478994721.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000013.2.dzrsTG
[14:37:08] <pink_vampire> i need mini computer like that but with dual lpt
[14:37:20] <CaptHindsight> I forget, is the diameter measurement for PVC waste pipe the I.D.?
[14:37:45] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: it will have to be a PCIe dual LPT card
[14:38:32] <pink_vampire> i never saw pcie dual lpt
[14:38:44] <CaptHindsight> via a card ^^
[14:39:49] <pink_vampire> card?
[14:40:26] <pink_vampire> http://www.synchrotech.com/products-pcie/pcie-parallel-io-ieee1284_02.html
[14:40:40] <pink_vampire> that nice..
[14:40:52] <pink_vampire> now 8 serial ports.
[14:41:38] <pink_vampire> http://www.directindustry.com/prod/moxa-europe/product-19677-456998.html
[14:41:42] <pink_vampire> sweet.
[14:48:34] <Crom> CaptHindsight, pvc is nominal.. so go find a page witrh measurements
[14:49:24] <CaptHindsight> no kidding http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/pvc-cpvc-pipes-dimensions-d_795.html
[14:52:27] <gregcnc> capt your doing it wrong http://9gag.com/gag/axjRQ9K?sc=1
[14:53:24] <evil_ren> least shes holding the hammer right
[14:53:37] <evil_ren> bit gently
[14:58:33] <pink_vampire> screw driver..
[14:59:25] <pink_vampire> that remind me that i need to charge my cuuuute gyro
[14:59:29] <Crom> Love those ring nails, witht the easy extraction cross in them
[14:59:37] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you need to say something when saying my name because my highlights list just show you saying name not the previous statement
[15:01:07] <pink_vampire> o
[15:01:09] <pink_vampire> ok*
[15:01:20] <Deejay> hi pinl
[15:01:22] <Deejay> *pink
[15:01:26] <_methods> she should have used a studfinder first
[15:01:31] <pink_vampire> Crom: what ring nails?????
[15:01:35] <_methods> then he could have shown her how to do it
[15:02:13] <pink_vampire> i'm lost
[15:02:17] <_methods> i bet
[15:02:30] <pink_vampire> Deejay: did you saw the part?
[15:02:43] <Deejay> nooo /o\
[15:03:02] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/bMZt37d.png http://i.imgur.com/J42TZe0.png
[15:03:28] <Deejay> yay, nice
[15:03:31] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[15:03:31] <Deejay> with nipple ;)
[15:04:04] <Crom> pink_vampire, roofing nails
[15:04:06] <XXCoder> nice indeed. post-sanding?
[15:04:23] <pink_vampire> after lite sanding.
[15:04:33] <Deejay> ah
[15:04:39] <Deejay> whats the next step?
[15:04:54] <PetefromTn_> what is that?
[15:05:09] <pink_vampire> Crom: what is roofing nails? acrylic?
[15:05:17] <Crom> ring nail
[15:05:37] <Deejay> hi PetefromTn_ :)
[15:05:42] <Deejay> its a ... breast
[15:05:47] <PetefromTn_> HI deejay
[15:06:07] <pink_vampire> PetefromTn_: you should recognise it very easy..
[15:06:11] <Deejay> hrhr
[15:06:11] <Crom> http://www.strongtie.com/products/fastening-systems/technical-notes/nails-overview?source=topnav
[15:06:24] <Crom> it's a boobie
[15:06:33] <PetefromTn_> I recognized it but was not sure if it was what I thought it was ;)
[15:06:45] <pink_vampire> lol!
[15:07:01] <PetefromTn_> why are we making boobies? I mean besides the obvious
[15:07:08] <pink_vampire> Crom: ok.....
[15:07:26] <pink_vampire> I like other kind of nails..
[15:07:54] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t34.0-12/12884545_10154022735998648_366436460_n.jpg?oh=e44c55216a2a6f860cf2433dee69c4de&oe=56F34B85 https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t34.0-12/12899649_10154022736078648_1565640802_n.jpg?oh=08379705f57df4abffe8481956692228&oe=56F46218 https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t34.0-12/12884425_10154022736113648_524513193_n.jpg?oh=
[15:07:54] <MrSunshine> e2590e7bba08eacef6397133b79d9915&oe=56F34E63
[15:07:56] <MrSunshine> doh
[15:07:57] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t34.0-12/12884425_10154022736113648_524513193_n.jpg?oh=e2590e7bba08eacef6397133b79d9915&oe=56F34E63
[15:07:58] <pink_vampire> PetefromTn_: because why not
[15:08:04] <MrSunshine> new collumn might be a bit overkill ... :P
[15:08:17] <PetefromTn_> heh Ok
[15:08:20] <XXCoder> you sure its not underkill? heh
[15:08:29] <Crom> MrSunshine, a bit
[15:08:29] <Sync> probably almost easier to make MrSunshine
[15:08:53] <pink_vampire> fill it with granit.
[15:08:53] <MrSunshine> the old X1 collumn looks dwarfed :P
[15:09:02] <Crom> ok off to my Physical torture appointment laterz
[15:09:05] <PetefromTn_> I posted my shop built MDF blast cabinet I made years ago on craigslist for free because I doubt I can fit it in the UHaul with all my other stuff....
[15:09:21] <MrSunshine> pink_vampire: yeah the column will be filled, maybe the base on the XY table also ... and its all bolted to a 40mm cast iron plate =)
[15:09:50] <pink_vampire> MrSunshine: sweet!
[15:10:10] <MrSunshine> the plate that its all standing on will be the new base plate =)
[15:10:33] <PetefromTn_> you just never realize how much JUNK you have sitting around your house until you decide to move ;)
[15:10:33] <pink_vampire> you know what you should make with it..
[15:11:14] <pink_vampire> PetefromTn_: you can leave without it..
[15:11:24] <Deejay> just don't move. its a bad idea ;)
[15:11:48] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, be sure to hide something in the house for the next owner to find
[15:11:54] <XXCoder> hire time lord moving inc
[15:11:55] <PetefromTn_> well I wish I could just leave without it but the new owners might not appreciate having to haul away all of our extraneous junk
[15:12:08] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx It's funny you say that
[15:12:20] <PetefromTn_> when I was younger and in the Coast Guard
[15:12:28] <PetefromTn_> I used to have this scary mask
[15:12:41] <PetefromTn_> and I bought one of those foam wig heads
[15:12:50] <PetefromTn_> and I put the mask on the foam head
[15:12:57] <Tom_itx> put it in the closet so when they open the door...
[15:13:00] <PetefromTn_> I put it inside one of my kitchen cabinets
[15:13:13] <PetefromTn_> so nosy people would find it
[15:13:24] <PetefromTn_> little did I know it would be my wife who found it
[15:13:39] <PetefromTn_> I forgot all about it and she was over and decided to cook me dinner
[15:13:45] <PetefromTn_> I was watching TV
[15:13:50] <Deejay> lol
[15:13:51] <PetefromTn_> and I heard her scream
[15:13:57] <Deejay> :D
[15:13:58] <PetefromTn_> and the cabinet door slam
[15:14:04] <XXCoder> lol
[15:14:05] <pink_vampire> i need class A rv with my cnc at the back.
[15:14:15] <PetefromTn_> she laughed her ass off once she realized what it was
[15:14:42] <pink_vampire> cnc on the road..
[15:15:17] <pink_vampire> travel and making chips on the same time..
[15:17:32] <pink_vampire> my bandsaw is too small :(
[15:18:12] <pink_vampire> have to use my jigsaw :(
[15:26:27] <pink_vampire> ?
[15:27:10] <pink_vampire> the irc client stop working.
[15:27:19] <pink_vampire> now i'm on the web :(
[15:28:09] <pink_vampire> PetefromTn_: , XXCoder , Deejay and all the other are you here?
[15:28:13] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/C4shoUb.png
[15:28:17] <PetefromTn_> aww poor baby :D
[15:28:41] <pink_vampire> i'm poor :(
[15:28:48] <XXCoder> yeah still here
[15:28:51] <Sync> how is babby formed?
[15:29:13] <Deejay> wb pink_vampire
[15:29:39] <pink_vampire> i need to cut that..
[15:29:57] <pink_vampire> and i hate to use the jigsaw.
[15:29:57] <Deejay> acrylic?
[15:30:10] <Deejay> mill it .)
[15:30:12] <Deejay> :)
[15:30:32] <pink_vampire> it's 8.5 mm thick aluminum plate
[15:30:44] <Deejay> uh
[15:31:20] <PetefromTn_> that's one of those french numbers again....ugh
[15:31:21] <pink_vampire> i can mill it, but it will waste alot material and will take forever with small endmill
[15:32:30] <pink_vampire> is 11/32" to be exact
[15:33:42] <Sync> jigsaws are awesome for that
[15:34:25] <pink_vampire> jigsaw can break my nails!!
[15:34:32] <pink_vampire> hate it
[15:34:50] <XXCoder> maybe buy a jigsaw machine
[15:34:56] <XXCoder> can do pretty well
[15:35:12] <pink_vampire> jigsaw machine??
[15:35:23] <XXCoder> might have used wrong name a second
[15:35:41] <pink_vampire> you can't say something like that without alink..
[15:36:14] <pink_vampire> scroll saw?
[15:36:25] <XXCoder> ah yes thats it
[15:36:38] <PetefromTn_> you can take your jigsaw and screw it underneath an old table cutting a small hole for the blade to stick up thru and then use it like a tablesaw carefully
[15:36:41] <XXCoder> I was still trying to find picture of one
[15:37:42] <PetefromTn_> my first tablesaw was actually an old Black and decker skilsaw setup this way LOL. Worked good enough until I got a proper tablesaw :D
[15:37:43] <pink_vampire> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-1-2-Amp-16-in-Corded-Scroll-Saw-SC165VS/205419917
[15:38:48] <pink_vampire> high speed spindle + small endmill...
[15:39:17] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[15:39:29] <XXCoder> only $100
[15:40:56] <pink_vampire> i know..
[15:41:08] <pink_vampire> I need bigger house
[15:41:45] <XXCoder> ask doctor with blue police booth on advice in increasing space inside without expanding outside. ;)
[15:42:18] <gregcnc> just use the table saw for aluminum
[15:42:33] <pink_vampire> one sec..
[15:43:26] <Loetmichel> gregcnc: use a blade with positice rake then
[15:43:39] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: i work on the magic that will grow my table saw
[15:43:40] <gregcnc> any carbide tipped blade
[15:43:41] <Loetmichel> or prepare for some ricochets ;)
[15:43:55] <Loetmichel> positive cutting angle i meant
[15:44:19] <Loetmichel> the "wood blades" with tungsten carbide tips are way to agressive
[15:44:45] <Loetmichel> they tend to grip the Al sheets and throw them into your stomach
[15:44:48] <pink_vampire> I have better idea.
[15:45:13] <gregcnc> I made sure the blade was as high as possible
[15:46:05] <pink_vampire> honey, you can cut the stock material for me.. (smile).
[15:47:02] <Deejay> pink, hehe, with the weapons of a woman ;)
[15:47:15] <Loetmichel> thats cheating
[15:47:23] <pink_vampire> lol
[15:47:25] <pink_vampire> no..
[15:49:10] <pink_vampire> you know the "baby voice"?
[15:49:35] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: ^
[15:50:13] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: i am mairred. i know that voice all to well
[15:50:23] <Deejay> hehe
[15:51:01] <Loetmichel> ... made my girl new rims for her wheelchair lately... ;) (because the old one bent in london potholes)
[15:51:06] <pink_vampire> lol, it's my favorite..
[15:51:20] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15975&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[15:51:31] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15969&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[15:51:37] <Loetmichel> "bbs rims" :-)
[15:52:35] <pink_vampire> sorry to hear that :(
[15:52:42] <pink_vampire> and nice rims
[15:53:22] <pink_vampire> what happened to her?
[15:54:19] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: ^
[15:54:28] <Valen> heh nice ;-> I'd chamfer and polish them just for the shiny though lol
[15:55:28] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: thats awesome
[15:55:41] <pink_vampire> pink anodized them.
[15:57:01] <pink_vampire> he is gone :(
[15:58:14] <pink_vampire> hope he still alive with 5 fingers on each hand
[15:58:46] <XXCoder> sometimes asking what happened is quite rude question
[15:58:54] <XXCoder> depends on person
[16:00:25] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: :(
[16:00:54] <XXCoder> I still remember that lady who said "I'm soooo sorry"
[16:01:06] <XXCoder> umm I was born that way, I didnt lose anything
[16:01:14] <Loetmichel> Valen: was in a bit of a hurry
[16:01:16] <pink_vampire> I feel bad now :( I'm not a rude person
[16:01:19] <Loetmichel> will do some time
[16:01:25] <swarfer> pink_vampire: how did the cutting go on that foam?
[16:01:41] <Valen> water or laser or something else?
[16:01:47] <evil_ren> i saw a bewb
[16:01:58] <pink_vampire> swarfer: it's done
[16:02:00] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: wife has a bad hip and to much weight for a replacement surgery
[16:02:05] <swarfer> Loetmichel: nice wheels!
[16:02:07] <Loetmichel> so diet it is
[16:02:17] <Loetmichel> until then: crutches/wheelchair
[16:02:23] * Valen is doing the diet thing now :-<
[16:02:25] <swarfer> gotp ix?
[16:02:36] <Valen> good in some ways though I guess lol
[16:03:01] <Loetmichel> Valen: CNC mill ;)
[16:03:06] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: that make the life complicated.
[16:03:18] <Valen> dudeson, ballmill and you were done ;-P
[16:03:44] <Loetmichel> have none here
[16:03:45] <pink_vampire> swarfer: and other http://i.imgur.com/bMZt37d.png http://i.imgur.com/J42TZe0.png
[16:04:08] <Loetmichel> and it was made on the companys mill because mine is too small
[16:04:25] <Valen> I love ballmilling stuff, it makes stuff you can't make conventionally
[16:04:25] <Loetmichel> so i had to do it quick in the dinner breack
[16:04:30] <Loetmichel> break
[16:04:35] <Loetmichel> hence no chamfer
[16:04:39] <swarfer> pink_vampire: lovely. did you use the wooden spindle?
[16:04:52] <Valen> I'm not criticising just talking crap ;->
[16:05:00] <Valen> good to knock one out that fast
[16:05:02] <pink_vampire> it was with 3/4" end mill
[16:05:16] <pink_vampire> 1000 rpm, 600mm/min.
[16:05:28] <swarfer> oh. and the undercut? did you turn the material after all?
[16:05:40] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: for doping foam patterns: may i suggest the roofing foam?
[16:06:07] <swarfer> Loetmichel: IIRC she had to use what she had available
[16:06:11] <XXCoder> https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2013/03/32.jpg happened to interpeter I know
[16:06:14] <Loetmichel> (the slightly denser styrene foam thats used when pressure is applied)
[16:06:15] <pink_vampire> It was just some packing material..
[16:06:32] <swarfer> but agree, roofing foam (extruded polystyrene) is great for milling
[16:06:34] <Loetmichel> https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=styrodur&safe=off&tbm=shop <- this stuff
[16:06:46] <Loetmichel> its awesome to make some patterns and stuff
[16:06:53] <XXCoder> this happened to ME https://33.media.tumblr.com/769a02a5240f51b825e7d603adf564a4/tumblr_inline_njadepuK2M1r9vq12.jpg
[16:07:13] <Valen> lol
[16:07:22] <pink_vampire> do you know about glue that machine easy?
[16:07:47] <Valen> epoxies can be machined i believe, don't know about "easy"
[16:07:54] <Valen> what are you gluing?
[16:07:58] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: you deaf or your wife?
[16:08:00] <pink_vampire> I was used wood glue.. and itwas ok.. but sometimes it's pop some bits from the foam.
[16:08:12] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: I'm deaf, I have no wife
[16:08:25] <Loetmichel> Valen: expoxies are easy to machine
[16:08:50] <Valen> depends a bit, if you get a gummy one it's not great
[16:08:53] <swarfer> waterproof wood glue, not the PVA white glue, aliphatic resin, dries brown and hard and can be sanded
[16:08:56] <Loetmichel> the filler usually isnt (carbon fibre, glass firbre or even kevelar fibre)
[16:09:00] <pink_vampire> I mean something that will become like the foam
[16:09:55] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: only deaf or also mute? (if that isnt to indisreet for you)
[16:10:12] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: muteness and deafness fairly rarely overlap
[16:10:19] <XXCoder> I can talk just fine if I ever learned how to.
[16:10:20] <swarfer> XXCoder: we have a blind friend who was offered braille menus in a restaurant, but the menu was out of date.
[16:10:21] <pink_vampire> I want to avoid the stress on the contact points..
[16:10:31] <Loetmichel> i am just wondering why the waiter noticed that you are deaf
[16:10:35] <XXCoder> swarfer: braille is expensive
[16:10:57] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: oh chatting with my bro that time
[16:11:01] <swarfer> my daughter just got some braille books the other day as she wants to learn
[16:11:05] <Loetmichel> ah, ok
[16:11:33] <swarfer> she (the friend) is the national braille consultant at the national library for the blind.
[16:11:46] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: anyway that interpeter I menioned, she did get pissed off when server impiled she married a deaf guy out of pity
[16:12:06] <XXCoder> didn't need to be stopped from attacking but yeah angry
[16:12:14] <XXCoder> asked for manager
[16:12:20] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i can totally understand that reaction
[16:12:23] <swarfer> sheesh, some people
[16:12:53] <pink_vampire> the 3d machinig is soo cool.
[16:12:55] <XXCoder> the #1 most hated reaction for me? guy looking around and trying to get help for commucating with me
[16:13:11] <pink_vampire> all my 2.5 parts look so poor now.
[16:13:14] <XXCoder> worse one refused to write and asked some stranger to help talk on banking details.
[16:13:16] <XXCoder> ummmmm
[16:13:17] <pink_vampire> 2.5D*
[16:13:35] <swarfer> 2.5D rocks (-:
[16:14:01] <pink_vampire> swarfer: no
[16:14:06] <swarfer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eCKTYc0msQ
[16:14:08] <pink_vampire> 3d!
[16:14:23] <XXCoder> 0D printer
[16:14:43] <swarfer> yeah, I maintain the SketchUcam plugin
[16:15:00] <Loetmichel> on the other hand (as i have learned a few hand signs a few decades ago) you cant deny that some deaf guys/gals tend to be extremely rude when talking about others that seemingly dont understand... had that a few decades ago when i was commuting to work by train every day and met a class off deaf girls on the way into work every day
[16:15:10] <swarfer> busy adding laser friendly Gcode, and a chamfer wizard
[16:15:29] <pink_vampire> I'm going to get the license for hsmworks.
[16:16:15] <pink_vampire> it's super expensive. but.. worth it.
[16:16:48] <pink_vampire> the cam program is more important than your machine.
[16:17:18] <swarfer> good CAM is worth it, esp for production. free CAM that produces good code is also good, but then I would say that
[16:17:34] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: not surpised, deaf peoples like any other. some is nice and some is rude as hell
[16:18:07] <XXCoder> I met some people who thinks deaf people is sin free and truthful. hah. my classmate did a murder-sucide with his kid and wife.
[16:18:15] <XXCoder> yeah deaf is same as anyone else
[16:19:20] * Jymmm duct tapes blackout glass on XXCoder
[16:19:37] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: the girls in the train were like every other teen that thinks nobody understands their language... until i greeted them farewell in signl language when i left the train one day ;)
[16:19:38] <XXCoder> blackout glass?
[16:19:56] <pink_vampire> swarfer: I have solidworks, and hsm work inside the solidworks environment.
[16:19:57] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: smartass. good, teach em lesson on politeness
[16:20:31] <Loetmichel> [21:54] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: smartass. <- always. 100% ;)
[16:20:46] <swarfer> then go for it pink_vampire, integrated is best
[16:20:47] <XXCoder> :)
[16:21:02] <Valen> TBH if I was in a restaurant serving or whatever and there was somebody on staff who knew sign language I'd ask them to deal with you just to give you a better experience
[16:21:13] <pink_vampire> I like to work with the good stuff.
[16:21:47] <XXCoder> Valen: thats different from looking to other customers
[16:21:49] <Valen> wouldn't go asking random members of the public though lol
[16:22:01] <XXCoder> Valen: that banking experence? that guy was public stranger not staff
[16:22:10] <XXCoder> hell no, its my fucking banking info!
[16:22:12] <Valen> that's not cool in a bank
[16:22:28] <XXCoder> indeed
[16:22:57] <Valen> when I was selling computers to the public there were a few customers who were very deaf, I wound up just firing up notepad on one of the PC's and chatting
[16:23:48] <swarfer> I don't mind deaf folks at all, it is the ones with perfect hearing that won't listen that get me riled :)
[16:24:20] <XXCoder> swarfer: there is this quote
[16:24:38] <XXCoder> "There is none as blind as person who won't see, and none as deaf as person who refuse to listen."
[16:24:54] <swarfer> yep, I know those folks, they employ me
[16:26:04] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: this is very much true, I took advange of "deaf standard time" so many times. (30 to 45 mins extra time saying goodbye and chattong heh)
[16:26:06] <XXCoder> http://kodaheart.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/11866316_1041426825881620_3345004527927516443_n.jpg
[16:26:27] <Simonious> swarfer: have you used sketchucam?
[16:26:42] <Simonious> swarfer: hah.. I see your name on the video.. NM
[16:26:56] <Simonious> swarfer: are you able to compare it to fusion360?
[16:27:03] <XXCoder> anyway laters all
[16:27:08] <swarfer> I program it Simonious, started with some bug fixes a few years back and then added a bunch of stuff
[16:27:17] <swarfer> cya XXCoder
[16:27:41] <Simonious> swarfer: oh.. is it a solo project for you?
[16:28:46] <swarfer> for your average 'need a 2.5D part quick' I don't think SketchUcam can be beaten for sheer speed. However, for hard materials (titanium?) and so on, you need the advanced pathing the something like Fusion360 gives you.
[16:29:24] <swarfer> it was started by a team that was working on the Phlatprinter machines, then it languished for a while till I got involved.
[16:29:26] <Simonious> swarfer: awesome, I'm kind of tied into f360 at work, but I do hope to look into sketchUcam at some point ...
[16:30:04] <swarfer> watch the videos, read the help, ignore the 3D module, it sucks (-:
[16:30:04] <Simonious> swarfer: can it do v-cuts?
[16:30:20] <Simonious> swarfer: which _it_ are you refering to?
[16:30:52] <swarfer> no V-cuts yet, if you mean those funky ones where the Vbit is raised at the end of the cut to make a sharp point.
[16:30:57] <swarfer> 'it' is SketchUcam
[16:31:14] <Simonious> aye, that is what I meant
[16:31:17] <swarfer> I am just building on the excellent work of the guys who started it
[16:31:24] * Simonious nods
[16:31:47] <swarfer> must put Vcuts on the list of things to look at (-:
[16:32:10] <Simonious> for some reason they seem very popular, I won't like, I use them (via engrave) in f360
[16:32:35] <Simonious> %s/like/lie//
[16:32:36] <swarfer> sketchUcam was developed for these things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSkoKdK1QuM
[16:33:36] <Simonious> gcode is gcode
[16:33:47] <swarfer> but is now quite capable of ramping into aluminum, doing counterbores and coutnersunk holes, etc.
[16:35:10] <Simonious> swarfer: here is the last thing I cut on the router here: https://goo.gl/photos/tJ9LWFJwGz794Mkp9 - honestly it's probably the hardest thing I've done so far. I'm a novice.
[16:36:06] <Simonious> I've done a variety of things, here is an easier project I did a while back: https://goo.gl/photos/A9Mg1QrYMwhcxW1WA
[16:36:30] <swarfer> that is cool, some sort of game?
[16:36:59] <Simonious> yes, aggravation
[16:37:34] <swarfer> hehe
[16:38:22] <swarfer> could easily do that in Sketchup/SketchUcam
[16:38:28] * Simonious nods
[16:38:29] <Simonious> I expect so
[16:38:50] <Simonious> My next project, which won't happen right away is to etch away the background leaving this standing above: https://goo.gl/photos/rYDAHukQU2xDC1Mq5
[16:40:21] <swarfer> that would be a lot harder, though not impossible. the pocket routine struggles with complicated shapes, for now.
[16:40:41] <swarfer> I am slowly learning the math needed to fix it.
[16:40:47] <Simonious> :)
[16:41:19] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: how else do you make sure you make a 1" hole in drywall?
[16:41:28] <swarfer> time for some sleep, g'night
[16:41:33] <Simonious> o/
[16:45:51] <CaptHindsight> Simonious: is that red lion?
[16:49:32] <Crom> back
[16:51:24] <Simonious> griffin
[16:54:26] <Lowridah> i tried sketchucam since i'm a sketchup ninja
[16:54:54] <Lowridah> it's.. yea
[16:54:55] <Simonious> yeah? what did you think?
[16:55:03] <Lowridah> i think i paid $250 for proper CAM instead
[16:55:10] <Lowridah> sand still use sketchup for cad
[16:55:21] <Simonious> Lowridah: ahh, which package did you go with?
[16:55:24] <pink_vampire> lol sketchup ninja
[16:55:26] <Lowridah> meshcam
[16:55:31] <pink_vampire> omg
[16:55:46] <pink_vampire> meshcam soo bad
[16:55:55] <Lowridah> pink_vampire: you're here mostly because you need attention, right?
[16:56:24] <Simonious> Lowridah: tried fusion360? that is what I am mostly using atm.
[16:56:27] <jdh> that explains the nude pics
[16:56:32] <Lowridah> i swear i've had you on ignore in half the freenode channels we're in simutaneously
[16:56:40] <Lowridah> Simonious: yea, it's pretty cool
[16:56:51] <pink_vampire> F360 is nice.
[16:57:03] <CaptHindsight> ever put a part in a safe place when you are tired so that you won't lose it?
[16:57:12] <Simonious> CaptHindsight: who hasn't?
[16:57:19] <Simonious> you may never see it again
[16:57:19] <CaptHindsight> and then forget where that safe place is?
[16:57:34] <pink_vampire> but F360 it's clude based..
[16:57:41] * Simonious nods
[16:57:48] <jdh> you find it, as soo as you get another one.
[16:57:49] <Simonious> it works just as well in offline mode as far as I can tell
[16:58:13] <CaptHindsight> the human mind is only good at hiding things when tired
[16:58:26] <pink_vampire> It's the best free cam
[16:58:36] <Simonious> best I've found sofar
[16:59:36] <Lowridah> it's not exactly free unless you're sheisty though, is it
[16:59:51] <pink_vampire> I like hsm.. but it's a pro.. and F360 is like the cloud version of hsm works.
[17:00:37] <pink_vampire> F360 it's free for hobby use.
[17:01:16] <pink_vampire> https://ultimaker.com/en/community/3167-fusion-360-free-for-hobbyists
[17:02:46] <pink_vampire> Lowridah: ^
[17:02:59] <Lowridah> ahh
[17:06:55] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-PCB-CNC-3-Axis-Milling-Engraving-Machine-300W-2020B-DIY-CNC-Wood-Carving-PVC-/361491362189?hash=item542a90718d:g:Sm4AAOSwzgRWwpK~
[17:09:22] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: sadly i dont even remember the simplest hand signs. all washed down the river of time... didnt use any for at least 25 years now...
[17:17:25] <Deejay> gn8
[17:46:54] <gregcnc> capthindsight last time I thought I didn't put a part in a safe place and spent an hour looking for it only to find it later in the safe place.
[18:13:06] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I'm going to fool it by not looking for it so it will show up.
[18:27:57] <joem___> dexter: https://i.imgur.com/RZjZpFM.jpg
[18:39:01] <MrTrick> does anyone know what the mechanism in a typical scara end-effector is called?
[18:41:28] <MrTrick> it's got linear and rotational motion, and looks like a ballscrew or double-threaded ballscrew?
[18:42:36] <Loetmichel> MrTrick: scrara robot ;)
[18:42:53] <MrTrick> eh?
[18:49:05] <MrTrick> eg in http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/SCARA-robot_1.jpg , the joint at the end that can raise and lower, or twist left/right.
[18:51:50] <MrTrick> what diagrams I've been able to find haven't been helpful, eg http://i.imgur.com/sZ1t1DS.png
[18:53:02] <CaptHindsight> we used to call it the Z-zxis
[18:54:48] <CaptHindsight> sometimes the "quill"
[19:23:02] <MrTrick> Thanks CaptHindsight. Don't suppose you'd have any diagrams or pictures of how the mechanism works?
[19:35:09] <enleth> MrTrick: if it's restricted to either moving or rotating at a time, I'd assume it's a ball screw with and a rotating ball nut and a brake-like mechanism that can prevent the screw from turning relative to the arm part around it
[19:35:31] <enleth> *s/with and/with/
[19:36:37] <enleth> so if it's allowed to turn freely relative to the arm and, quite possibly, prevented from rotating relative to the ball nut - it rotates when the servo rotates the ball nut
[19:37:02] <enleth> when it's allowed to turn freely relative to the ball nut and prevented from turning relative tot the arm - it goes up and down
[19:38:07] <MrTrick> yep. However I'd say it's more likely universal-joint-like than a brake mechanism.
[19:38:22] <enleth> no idea if that's how it's done, but that's how I'd do it if the requirements did not include moving in Z and turning at the same time
[19:38:36] <enleth> if they did, it's going to be a little more complex
[19:38:42] <MrTrick> I want to build a light-duty end effector like that for a cartesian frame.
[19:39:11] <enleth> so feel free to use this idea if that restriction is OK for you
[19:39:31] <Sync> enleth: two nuts on the shaft
[19:39:52] <Sync> that way you can effectively lock it in place while still spinning
[19:40:05] <enleth> Sync: right
[19:40:07] <MrTrick> enleth: it probably won't work for me, to be honest.
[19:40:09] <Sync> and of course two servos
[19:40:25] <MrTrick> Sync: yes, but I think they've got to be one left, one right-threaded.
[19:40:34] <enleth> Sync: two if you need rotation and translation at the same time
[19:40:42] <Sync> yes, of course enleth
[19:40:56] <enleth> Sync: but two nuts, one servo and brake on one of the nuts would do if you don't, wouldn't they?
[19:41:05] <MrTrick> and I don't relish trying to machine a simultaneously left and right threaded rod, nor the nuts that will both fit on there.
[19:41:20] <Sync> you don't need both directions
[19:41:41] <MrTrick> no?
[19:41:48] <Sync> no
[19:41:58] <Sync> you just spin the upper one with the lower one
[19:42:03] <Sync> so you generate 0 torque on the screw
[19:42:51] <MrTrick> wait, if there's two nuts in the head, and a threaded shaft. ... and nothing is moving. What stops the shaft just unscrewing?
[19:43:03] <MrTrick> (what prevents/controls rotation?)
[19:43:59] <Sync> you probably need an encoder on the shaft too
[19:44:11] <Sync> so if you try to unscrew it, the control will try to compensate
[19:45:20] <MrTrick> what about a threaded rod with a flat? Then one servo is attached to a keyed 'nut' (with no thread) and the other is attached to a regular threaded nut?
[19:46:14] <enleth> MrTrick: you'd probably want that to be a ball screw, so that's not really an option, isn't it?
[19:46:22] <MrTrick> it seems fragile too
[19:46:32] <MrTrick> that's why I want to see what a proper mechanism does. ^_^
[19:48:12] <CaptHindsight> how much force in Z do you require?
[19:48:28] <CaptHindsight> how much rotation around z do you require?
[19:48:39] <CaptHindsight> what res?
[19:48:50] <enleth> http://i.imgur.com/sZ1t1DS.png - this photo shows something that looks like a single toothed belt
[19:49:01] <enleth> render actually, not a photo
[19:49:33] <MrTrick> enleth: where?
[19:49:58] <CaptHindsight> between the last two joints
[19:50:04] <enleth> on the floating part the Z axis rod would go through when it's assembled
[19:50:13] <enleth> there's one big cylinder that's probably a servo
[19:50:20] <enleth> another big cylinder that's probably a ball nut
[19:50:33] <MrTrick> CaptHindsight: not much force, need ~360 deg rotation? This is for very light duty 'pick up and put down elsewhere' operation for ~50g objects, I'm considering building a small gantry system.
[19:50:36] <enleth> and a black horizontal strip of something that is most likely a belt
[19:51:23] <MrTrick> the render btw is from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97KX-j8Onu0
[19:51:30] <CaptHindsight> how fast does Z need to move?
[19:53:13] <MrTrick> 50mm/s?
[19:54:19] <CaptHindsight> 50g loads, 50mm/s, and the other specs?
[19:54:41] <CaptHindsight> +/- 180 deg rotation
[19:54:48] <MrTrick> I've got a layout in mind where I can keep all the motors *off* the gantry, and still independently control the rotation of two pulleys in the gantry head. I'm hoping to link them to a mechanism to control the quill end's up/down and rotate.
[19:54:56] <CaptHindsight> not continuous
[19:55:14] <CaptHindsight> what the range of travel z?
[19:56:38] <MrTrick> ~200mm?
[19:57:01] <MrTrick> this is fairly conceptual, if that wasn't already fairly clear. ;-)
[19:57:40] <CaptHindsight> how it's bester done is based on what the requirements are
[19:57:58] <CaptHindsight> something with a 200mm travel will be different than 2m travel
[19:58:09] <CaptHindsight> and 50g load vs 50kg loads
[19:58:18] <CaptHindsight> 50mm/s vs 5m/s
[19:59:37] <MrTrick> that is true.
[20:00:46] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/wihvFXDqiTY?t=8s
[20:01:29] <MrTrick> what I'm thinking of doing is a fabtotum-based corexy design with two EXTRA motors and extra belts coming into the head to control Z and A, but not sure on how best to design that last part of the mechanism.
[20:02:16] <MrTrick> the use case would be pick and place of game pieces and other tiny things.
[20:02:30] <MrTrick> and the design goal is to make all the moving parts as light as possible.
[20:03:39] <djdelorie> MrTrick: if the quill also has a keyway in it, one pulley could control the keyway and the other the thread. Turn them together, quill turns. Turn only the thread, it goes up/down
[20:04:03] <MrTrick> djdelorie: yeah, that's certainly one option.
[20:04:56] <MrTrick> I suppose as long as there's enough effort made to keep the shaft straight
[20:07:15] <MrTrick> (eg some bushings spaced far enough apart)
[20:39:26] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/190650555854 this one has Z and all the motors in the base
[20:40:12] <gregcnc> concentric shafts and belt in the arms?
[20:42:37] <gregcnc> wouldn't have to be concentric
[20:51:08] <Crom_> 101.6mm Focal Lens works Much Better in the K40
[20:54:00] <MrTrick> gregcnc: ooo shiny. ^_^ I believe the Z is the first joint in that one, not the last.
[20:54:33] <MrTrick> I love the idea of someone thinking they need a wafer robot though.
[20:54:52] <MrTrick> "I'll just set up a level 5 clean room in the den, put down a tarp or something... make my OWN chips!"
[20:57:31] <gregcnc> yes that's what it looks like. but the shaft and belt idea would translate to the ballscrew Z type, though more complex.
[20:57:34] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-JR2KDRnEY
[21:06:45] <MrTrick> gregcnc: heh. $25K upfront for the robot, $10K to get it programmed initially, $10K/yr maintenance agreement, $60K/yr per each 5 robots for an engineer, extra callout fees and additional programming every time a new ingredient or recipe is added.
[21:07:08] <MrTrick> plus you still need to hire a minimum wage employee to stand there and do quality control.
[23:35:32] <twister_> HI I am newbie here I am programmer. I was looking to build my own CNC router and 3D printer, But I am confused about linuxCNC and GRBL?
[23:40:52] <SpeedEvil> what about them?
[23:49:16] <twister_> which one is better is LinuxCNC or GRBL, I see both are popular
[23:49:43] <twister_> Thnaks for your reply @SpeedEvil
[23:50:36] <SpeedEvil> Linuxcnc is as I understand it a _lot_ more flexible.
[23:51:15] <SpeedEvil> What sort of machine are you hoping to make?
[23:57:27] <twister_> especially router for carving aluminium and steel blocks, and 3D printer for prototyping