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[00:00:04] <enleth> good thing about those is that they don't seem to be particularly picky about input voltage stability
[00:06:01] <enleth> I'll have to get a completely new transformer to power them, the current servo power transformer, and the whole servo power circuit in general, is a load of complete fuckery
[00:06:42] <enleth> it's an autotransformer and one side of the motor windings is directly connected to the center tap
[03:27:05] <Deejay> moin
[04:55:01] <Loetmichel2> *meh* had to fix the CNC Stepper driver box befor eworking today. Fan was stuck. It already smelled like hot wire paint (transformer) in the workshop... OK, after 3 years of 8hrs a day 5 days a week a chinese sleeve bearing will be worn. That was to be expected... Why it has to be 3 hours work to change a Fu***** 60mm fan is a miracle tho. :-(
[04:56:35] <XXCoder> sucks
[04:57:33] <Loetmichel2> on the other hand: the placement of the (blue) driver box underneth the mill isnt the best idea anyway... the amount of aluminium dust i vacuumed out of that box was stunning. A true miracle that there wasnt a short circuit... shoud open and clean the PC underneath it soon... ;-) http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14148&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[04:58:22] <XXCoder> heh
[04:58:41] <XXCoder> probably should redesign computer inlets to have that fluffy white filter thingy
[04:58:49] <XXCoder> so it cant get Au dust in
[04:59:10] <Loetmichel2> i already placed filters on the inlets of the driiver box.
[04:59:15] <Loetmichel2> so that will stay clean
[05:02:03] <XXCoder> ok
[07:31:47] <enleth> does anyone even use indirect cooling of control cabinets to keep them sealed?
[07:32:29] <enleth> like, heatpipes leading to the cabinet wall that is also an outside heatsink with a fan, so that the only component exposed to chips, grime and such is the fan?
[07:34:19] <archivist> I am about to for the 5 axis when I get around to it, I have a couple of old microwave telecoms boxes with heat sinks on the rear
[07:40:46] <SpeedEvil> enleth: yes
[07:40:50] <SpeedEvil> that is a common technique
[07:41:00] <SpeedEvil> though internal fans and external fans are common
[07:41:05] <SpeedEvil> rather than heatpipes
[07:41:29] <archivist> internal fans to make sure the case sees the heat from the parts
[07:44:11] <SpeedEvil> yes
[07:44:35] <enleth> ah, that makes sense
[07:44:36] <SpeedEvil> with a big cabinet and medium/low power stuff, it works really well
[07:44:43] <SpeedEvil> you may not even need external fans
[07:44:51] <enleth> and high power stuff could be heatpiped
[07:45:41] <archivist> no need for heatpipes if the devices bolt to the case
[07:46:00] <archivist> and helps if the case is aluminium
[07:47:28] <witnit> I glanced at the back of a motor and it reads "pickup unit" anyone familiar with a synonym for this feedback device?
[07:48:05] <archivist> could be almost any type
[07:48:14] <archivist> optical or magnetic
[07:48:28] <witnit> probably magnetic, its huge
[07:48:41] <archivist> resolver maybe
[07:48:51] <archivist> how many wires
[07:48:53] <witnit> like a pick jar or so
[07:48:57] <witnit> pickle*
[07:49:09] <witnit> havent a clue I just glanced at it on my way out the door
[07:49:35] <witnit> I thought maybe it was just a name some company gave to a standard encoder or resolver
[07:50:14] <archivist> nah, that is a generic functional name
[07:51:08] <witnit> with the proper carbon dating techniques I might be able to figure out what it is by era
[08:13:31] <JT-Raceland> Morning from the Bayou
[08:22:09] <_methods> jt in da swamp
[08:23:24] <_methods> how dat gator tastin
[08:23:46] <Simonious> Never tried gator.. could be good.
[08:24:19] <_methods> tastes like chicken
[08:24:22] <_methods> hahah
[08:25:38] <Sync_> enleth: usually they use an air/air heat exchanger
[08:25:55] <Simonious> anybody got an opinion on Fusion360 versus onShape for CAM (free versions).
[08:25:58] <Simonious> ?
[08:27:41] <Sync_> witnit: if you have a picture that would help
[08:40:23] <_methods> http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/03/ula-executive-admits-company-cannot-compete-with-spacex-on-launch-costs/
[08:40:26] <_methods> oops
[08:41:00] <SpeedEvil> I think he did that a while back
[08:41:08] <SpeedEvil> ah - not that ne
[08:45:11] <_methods> i guess spacex knows they can bump the price up a bit lol
[08:46:12] <alibama> hey quick question - what are the little wire clips http://snag.gy/wNea5.jpg called?
[08:46:39] <_methods> you mean the crimp connectors?
[08:46:50] <alibama> _methods: yep - thanks!
[08:47:22] <_methods> if you need them right away you can pick them up at home depot or any auto parts store usually
[08:47:59] <alibama> cool - that’s perfect - got one right down the street
[08:48:32] <alibama> thanks again - it’s my first build… got most of the pieces, just don’t have them all put together :)
[09:15:09] <MrSunshine> http://metalscraping.com/w3-Order.html anyone know if this is worth it? =)
[09:17:35] <archivist> I see he uses an irish postman who take tree days
[09:19:15] <CaptHindsight> enleth: if you design the cabinet like a reach in freezer you could also use this approach http://mms.businesswire.com/media/20150922005240/en/486911/5/PEZYExaScaler_immersion_cooling_system_with_3M_Fluorinert.jpg
[09:34:24] <_methods> MrSunshine: if you get that let me know if it's any good
[09:34:45] <MrSunshine> _methods: yeah if i remember .. will not buy it now tho as im very short of money =)
[09:35:26] <_methods> scraping information is kinda spotty and prone to strangeness
[09:35:44] <lair82> Good Morning guys, what command or utility can I use to find a file on my system? There is no "Search" utility that I can find on the debian wheezy distro, Ubuntu has a search utility already built in.
[09:37:04] <archivist> MrSunshine, the bible is often regarded as Machine tool reconditioning and applications of hand scraping by Edward Connelly
[09:37:07] <_methods> find -iname "query"
[09:37:17] <MrSunshine> archivist: yeah =)
[09:37:52] <_methods> replace "query" with the file you are searching for
[09:38:12] <archivist> new price is more spendy look for second hand
[09:38:42] <archivist> not selling my copy :)
[09:38:54] <lair82> what if I where looking for a directory?
[09:39:34] <archivist> locate text
[09:40:07] <_methods> find -type d "query"
[09:40:32] <archivist> locate works for directory names too
[09:40:35] <_methods> once again replace "query" with the dir name you're searching for
[09:40:42] <_methods> i think you have to install locate though
[09:40:54] <Sync_> and update its db
[09:40:57] <archivist> on this box was built in
[09:41:08] <_methods> ah it's possible it is
[09:41:09] <Sync_> archivist: I find the connelly to be also iffy imho
[09:41:14] <_methods> i honestly don't know
[09:41:38] <_methods> well connelly takes for granted a period in time when scraping was a common practice
[09:42:07] <Sync_> imho the best way is to just do it
[09:42:15] <Sync_> there is not a lot that can go wrong
[09:42:15] <archivist> grinding was not as good as now
[09:42:22] <_methods> now that most people know how to scrape are dead it's not such common knowledge anymore
[09:42:41] <CaptHindsight> lotsa youtubes on machine scaping
[09:42:52] <archivist> they had less measuring ability too
[09:42:56] <MrSunshine> think im gonna cut up a cast iron plate i have that is almost 2 iches thick and mount my little milling machine to it =)
[09:43:36] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: do yah have a surface plate?
[09:43:52] <lair82> thanks _methods
[09:44:10] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: yeah a cheapie
[09:44:30] <MrSunshine> have hand scraped the little X1 milling machine on it =) and man is it nice compared to when i got it =)
[09:45:14] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: being 2" thick you have plenty of room for mistakes
[09:45:49] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: ah no .. that plate is not to be scraped =)
[09:45:57] <MrSunshine> just as a realy robust base for the X1 milling machine
[09:46:36] <MrSunshine> then make a column support that is fit to that plate as the column on the machine cant even handle aluminium cutting without twisting all to hell
[09:48:09] <CaptHindsight> is this your X1? http://www.siegind.com/imageRepository/1b38d24f-36b5-4010-a7a8-51ce97a37140.jpg
[09:49:31] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: yeah but got the super version i think, longer X table and tilting column
[09:49:40] <MrSunshine> or is it longer Y
[09:49:52] <_methods> lair82: np did you find it?
[09:49:59] <CaptHindsight> how fast does the spindle go?
[09:50:29] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: 2000rpm i think
[09:51:23] <CaptHindsight> http://mikesworkshop.weebly.com/uploads/4/3/5/0/4350192/7275009.jpg?517
[09:52:05] <MrSunshine> =)
[09:52:14] <lair82> yep
[09:52:18] <_methods> cool
[09:52:40] <MrSunshine> there is a long X table one can buy for it also, but ive got the short one .. would be nice to be able to use the little milling machine more =)
[09:53:03] <CaptHindsight> CNC X1 pocket milling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzc75m_dNyI
[09:53:32] <CaptHindsight> sieg CNC X1 contour milling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxTbXX1HWh0
[09:54:02] <lair82> _methods, that machine you helped me with that script with, that has a possible memleak, Gmoccapy is sitting at 89% on the CPU right now.
[09:54:35] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb8dRpLC9Og thats my machine .. tho ive downconverted it to manual again =)
[09:54:55] <lair82> I am building a new SSD right now in my office using the latest release,
[09:55:31] <lair82> And the machine is actually idle right now, hasn't made a chip in about an hour
[09:56:10] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: is the column solid or hollow?
[09:56:17] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: hollow
[09:56:52] <CaptHindsight> filling it will help
[09:57:26] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: well if i get it on the cast iron plate i will make extra support bolted to the plate also =)
[09:58:20] <CaptHindsight> quart of polyester resin and granite powder = $20
[09:58:48] <CaptHindsight> 10:1 granite powder to resin
[09:58:52] <MrSunshine> cast iron plate + some box tubing and welding == $0 as ive got all the stuff :P
[10:00:12] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: how will you weld to the column?
[10:00:30] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: bolting it
[10:02:49] <CaptHindsight> is this what the column is made from? http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDMyWDUwMA==/z/O14AAOxyaTxTVhd1/$_35.JPG?set_id=2
[10:03:22] <CaptHindsight> square hollow steel tube
[10:04:18] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: nah its a cast piece
[10:04:34] <CaptHindsight> but hollow?
[10:05:00] <MrSunshine> yes
[10:11:28] <CaptHindsight> drill press with an XY table
[10:11:52] <MrSunshine> kinda =)
[10:12:20] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcwYHL5lQ5A
[10:12:27] <_methods> some angry water buffaloes
[10:15:24] <CaptHindsight> they don't like being made fun of
[10:16:04] <_methods> apparently not
[10:16:49] <Loetmichel2> *maaaan* sometimes my luck takes a timeout... got a call from the car repair guy... he found a broken AC-compressor mount. new part is 280 eur+VAT... now this repair is at 3800 eur... for a car that will sell for less than 1800 if i sell it in mint condition now... anyways, as about 3000 eur of repairs are already "burned" i have to go all the way and pay the lat 800 also :-(
[10:17:44] <CaptHindsight> I once hear from someone that lions tend to mock water buffalo only from a safe distance
[10:18:01] <CaptHindsight> hear/heard
[10:19:13] <malcom2073> Everyone has a water buffalo
[10:19:41] <Loetmichel2> ??
[10:20:24] <_methods> i don't think those lions followed the safe distance rule
[10:20:58] <CaptHindsight> heard of water buffaloes? Sure I've heard of them
[10:23:03] <CaptHindsight> so whats the best way to drill a 3mm hole through 20ga SS sheet 5mm from each corner?
[10:23:50] <CaptHindsight> use a sacrificial wooden support under the SS sheet? (and use a drill)
[10:24:02] <archivist> your definition of best may be different
[10:24:11] <_methods> yeah
[10:24:39] <CaptHindsight> use a laser
[10:24:39] <Loetmichel2> CaptHindsight: and ANOTHER wooden sheet on top
[10:24:44] <_methods> you probably want some support under something that thin for sure
[10:25:12] <CaptHindsight> drill the holes before cutting the sheet?
[10:25:15] <archivist> on top to stop it chasing up the drill spiral
[10:25:46] <archivist> hand punch can be sensible on sheet
[10:26:11] <CaptHindsight> avoid fasteners and tack weld it
[10:26:47] <archivist> http://www.knighton-tools.co.uk/acatalog/Punching_Machines.html
[10:26:47] <enleth> definitely hand punch, or sandwich it in wood on both sides and clamp down
[10:27:30] <archivist> had a whitney at a previous job
[10:33:20] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: make a new mount
[10:33:49] <CaptHindsight> they used to always break on my diesel jettas
[10:35:11] <CaptHindsight> the aluminum castings are just too weenie from the factory
[10:36:09] <Loetmichel2> CaptHindsight: cant
[10:36:31] <CaptHindsight> but the bast way is to fix cars yourself if you have the time, space and tools, otherwise you end up easily paying 5x
[10:36:36] <Loetmichel2> the repair guys would not mount it as they have already ordered a new one from opel
[10:36:47] <CaptHindsight> yeah, its frustrating
[10:38:46] <enleth> Loetmichel2: like, didn't ask, just ordered, "hey by the way 300eur more"?
[10:39:21] <CaptHindsight> or a 2 minute fix by tig
[10:41:01] <CaptHindsight> my son worked for an auto parts store for a short time....
[10:41:10] <CaptHindsight> he used to deliver parts to shops...
[10:41:45] <CaptHindsight> the truck was not marked and he wore some generic parts hat..
[10:42:15] <CaptHindsight> he would deliver a $20 part in the back door and he's see the shop mark it up easily to $200
[10:43:09] <CaptHindsight> he's/he'd ... they didn't want waiting customers knowing that their parts were from down the street
[10:45:10] <CaptHindsight> fuel filter repair job $200 parts + $180 labor for a $20 part and 15 minute repair
[10:45:40] <CaptHindsight> with half the time spent ordering the part and getting the customer info
[10:47:20] <CaptHindsight> I don't see how auto repair shops can go out of business unless they are honest
[11:05:47] <__rob2> got a cheapish 10mm endmill that cuts 10.2mm slots
[11:05:52] <__rob2> is that normal ?
[11:06:04] <__rob2> I can't seem to measure that on the end mill itself..
[11:06:12] <__rob2> and using a Tormach setscrew holder
[11:06:13] <CaptHindsight> no
[11:06:21] <__rob2> so the holder must have a ton of runout
[11:07:11] <__rob2> hmm, just put the indicator on it in the mill
[11:07:19] <__rob2> its 8/1000 inch
[11:07:29] <CaptHindsight> why can't you measure the diameter of the endmill?
[11:07:35] <__rob2> well, I did
[11:07:41] <__rob2> I'm saying it doesn't say 10.2
[11:07:51] <__rob2> just checked it in the mill, so must be that
[11:08:05] <__rob2> turning it my hand 8/1000 inch variation
[11:08:19] <__rob2> and its not varying in line with the set screw, its perpendicular to that
[11:08:27] <CaptHindsight> I get surprised by Shars from time time
[11:08:52] <__rob2> so thats a dodgy set screw holder?
[11:09:27] <__rob2> like, if the endmill was undersize, you'd think with the setscrew, the it would push it to one side in line with the set screw
[11:09:31] <__rob2> not perpendicular to it
[11:09:43] <CaptHindsight> 8/1000 = 25.4um x 8 = 203.2um for those playing at home
[11:10:36] <__rob2> hmm, the shank does come up 9.9
[11:10:40] <__rob2> well 9.92mm
[11:11:18] <Loetmichel2> __rob2: maybe the holder has a 10.2mm hole in it?
[11:11:25] <__rob2> nope
[11:11:29] <__rob2> its a 10mm set screw holder
[11:11:30] <Loetmichel2> or is slightly bent?
[11:11:42] <__rob2> well, think it might be the end mill is undersize
[11:11:52] <__rob2> so maybe with the set screw in there, its clamped at an angle
[11:12:12] <__rob2> was a hand made flat, so may not be perfectly parallel to the end mill axis
[11:12:27] <__rob2> didn't think it would matter, and shouldn't if the end mill was the right size
[11:13:24] <__rob2> http://www.shop-apt.co.uk/end-mills-for-aluminium-standard-length-2-flute-45-helix-uncoated-carbide/end-mill-for-aluminium-10mm-diameter-2-flute-un-coated-micro-grain-carbide.html
[11:13:28] <__rob2> thats the end mill
[11:14:02] <gregcnc> runout is .008"?
[11:14:29] <CaptHindsight> yes, the conversion to metric is ^^^
[11:15:35] <gregcnc> I'm just confirming, if I had one that bad it would be in the scrap bin, problem solved.
[11:15:58] <Sync_> __rob2: cheap weldon holders will do that
[11:16:16] <Sync_> the quality of the flat does not really matter
[11:16:42] <Sync_> some good quality weldon holders are actually made slightly out of round to compensate for the pressure of the setscrew
[11:16:43] <CaptHindsight> I have a 0.250" end mill thats ~8" long that performs similarly if used that way
[11:17:23] <CaptHindsight> I think it might cut random slots anywhwere from 0.025" to 0.5" if I move it fast enough
[11:17:50] <__rob2> Sync, but the runout is not in line wit hthe set screw
[11:17:53] <__rob2> its 90 degrees to it
[11:18:01] <Sync_> so?
[11:18:05] <Sync_> it just means it is a shit holder
[11:18:28] <Sync_> did you measure the actual runout of the hole or of the shank when clamped?
[11:19:14] <__rob2> both
[11:19:32] <__rob2> dial indicator goes from 0 to 8 thousands at 90 degrees to the set screw
[11:19:42] <Sync_> yup, it is scrap then
[11:19:46] <__rob2> and the slot @ 2mm deep is 10.2mm
[11:20:07] <__rob2> did a run of parts with it and was wondering what the problem was
[11:20:13] <__rob2> luckly I can adjust on the next bit to fit
[11:20:30] <__rob2> but I thought it should be better than the er collet
[11:20:39] <__rob2> so specifically got it into a Set screw holder
[11:20:43] <Sync_> it is, if you get good quality ones
[11:21:03] <Sync_> and if your endmills are -8/100mm return them, that's out of tolerance
[11:21:45] <__rob2> yea
[11:21:48] <__rob2> they are 0.1 out
[11:21:51] <__rob2> very shit
[11:21:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/141549630285 M42 Cobalt .199 Diameter 4 Flute End Mill 6" long
[11:21:58] <__rob2> the set screw holder is a Tormach one
[11:22:06] <__rob2> would like to think their stuff is better than that
[11:22:35] <Sync_> well, in the end they are also just pushing boxes from china
[11:22:45] <__rob2> I think 0.1 undersize endmill is the problem, turning into an endmill that is at an angle
[11:22:54] <CaptHindsight> might have been a bad batch
[11:22:57] <__rob2> yup
[11:23:20] <Sync_> no, if you have a 10mm endmill it will still rotate in the same circle
[11:23:40] <__rob2> hah, yea
[11:23:43] <__rob2> if its 10mm
[11:23:45] <__rob2> its 9.9
[11:23:52] <Sync_> even if it is 1mm it would do the same
[11:24:00] <__rob2> so with the flat, it could clamp at an angle
[11:24:10] <__rob2> so its wedged against the end of the holder
[11:24:13] <Sync_> that's unlikely
[11:24:26] <Sync_> as it is only pressing in one place
[11:24:32] <gregcnc> there is line contact between the two cylinders
[11:24:37] <Sync_> ^
[11:27:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/sch/drlka/m.html?item=291706561744 "I am too old and not in good enough health to use this stuff anymore."
[11:33:15] <witnit> Im thinking about this item :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/LeBlond-16-Lathe-/231879898932?hash=item35fd1e7734:g:iI8AAOSwyjBW6ZUd
[11:34:06] <yasnak> Sync_, they're also made out of round on the OD to compensate for the weight of the setscrew if you want to get real haha. Most weldons are for roughing and slower RPM tho. You get into HSC and such for HSM
[11:34:24] <yasnak> But I don't trust heat shrink anymore
[11:34:50] <CaptHindsight> witnit: he has a few others for sale as well
[11:35:52] <CaptHindsight> but all 9 day auctions
[11:36:17] <witnit> I am looking at the comparitor too
[11:36:22] <CaptHindsight> so check back next Friday morning
[11:37:41] <CaptHindsight> he's north of Fort Wayne
[11:37:59] <__rob2> woops
[11:38:20] <__rob2> I think it was actually a chip in the set screw TTS bit
[11:38:39] <__rob2> so it didn't go flush with the spindle whole way round
[11:38:47] <__rob2> how shit
[11:41:12] <gregcnc> these lathes are working on their tan http://chicago.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=1345+Saul+Trail+lathe&sort=rel
[11:42:21] <archivist> nice thing about real cast iron is easy to clean up
[11:42:36] <CaptHindsight> water hardening, right?
[11:42:42] <Sync_> yasnak: heatshrink is nice
[11:42:58] <Sync_> almost the only option if you want to go deep in hard to reach places
[11:44:14] <archivist> gregcnc, similar tan http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=Harrison+bench
[11:48:00] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/5472878756.html $650 AC/DC TIG 330A
[12:14:55] <CaptHindsight> t12: http://www.wired.com/2016/03/unicorn-reckoning-finally-thank-goodness/
[12:25:44] <witnit> Why do these bring so much money?
[12:25:49] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sherline-4000-Lathe-/322039415225?hash=item4afb0b81b9:g:1o0AAOSwWTRW15HR
[12:26:07] <gregcnc> because it comes with dreams
[12:27:17] <gregcnc> but it is surprising the availability of seig, etc. hasn't dragged down the value
[12:27:32] <witnit> is it made mostly of aluminum?
[12:27:54] <CaptHindsight> and pixie dust
[12:28:10] <witnit> this must truly be some kind of magic
[12:28:31] <CaptHindsight> just don't let out the unicorn smoke
[12:29:10] <CaptHindsight> wow low feedback score
[12:29:26] <OdinYggd> Made in The People's Republic of China.
[12:30:35] <CaptHindsight> the days of Mao are gone
[12:31:13] <CaptHindsight> they are capitalists without the sham democracy
[12:31:45] <witnit> We should build and design the LinuxCNC starter pack, including one community produced cnc lathe and one cnc mill
[12:32:28] <CaptHindsight> like reprap
[12:32:44] <witnit> desktop machines, going to need someone to do a robotic arm as well
[12:33:02] <witnit> reprap is putting out their own community machine?
[12:33:41] <gregcnc> lets start a $3M kickstarter fill our pockets and let it fail, just to say i'm sorry
[12:33:50] <witnit> ok
[12:33:52] <witnit> :P
[12:34:07] <CaptHindsight> wasn't that their whole point? and then to scam everyone with how it will revolutionize manufacturing
[12:34:35] <CaptHindsight> and we can split it even 60/40
[12:35:00] <gregcnc> or bring large scale failure within the reach of anyone?
[12:35:27] <CaptHindsight> it's not just for the big boys anymore
[12:37:06] <CaptHindsight> but you have to build a fanboy base first
[12:37:35] <gregcnc> http://www.sherline.com/cncmenu.htm with linuxcnc
[12:37:45] <CaptHindsight> they will blindly follow you and support you, while attacking anyone that doesn't follow their line of BS
[12:38:01] <CaptHindsight> then you kickstart it
[12:38:56] <CaptHindsight> it also helps if you post some half assed software like pronterface first
[12:38:57] <witnit> Surely someone can do better than this sherline thing
[12:39:17] <gregcnc> how much better at what cost?
[12:39:45] <CaptHindsight> draw up plans and just post it for ChinaCo to copy
[12:39:46] <witnit> any better @ can afford to make a living rates
[12:39:47] <_methods> oh you better look out CaptHindsight our 3d printing white knight will show up and admonish you
[12:40:20] <_methods> i think he has his irc setup to alert him on mention of 3d printing
[12:40:33] <witnit> We are the knights who formerly said emc
[12:40:37] <CaptHindsight> _methods: or be smitted/smyted or however you spell the past tense of smite
[12:40:43] <_methods> haha
[12:41:12] <_methods> i guess someone has to defend those morons
[12:41:14] <witnit> EMC - C - C - C
[12:41:34] <Crom> Ni
[12:41:35] <witnit> So why all the beef with the reprap and machinekit things anyhow?
[12:41:49] <Tom_itx> why not?
[12:41:51] <CaptHindsight> machinekit is just a fork
[12:41:56] <Crom> Do you require a small shrubbery?
[12:42:05] <CaptHindsight> reprap is mostly con men and fanboys
[12:42:06] <_methods> a poorly documented fork
[12:42:07] <_methods> lol
[12:43:18] <witnit> I like it here, too complicated for fanboys , yet not so complicated I can't work it out
[12:43:25] <gregcnc> there is a huge void between something like sherline and say the tormach SL-15, what would the middle ground be?
[12:43:39] <_methods> x2 minimill conversion
[12:43:42] <Crom> I have 2 reprap and we have gotten neither working...
[12:43:57] <Tom_itx> get another one
[12:43:58] <CaptHindsight> there are some new linear positioner suppliers in China
[12:44:26] <CaptHindsight> low end automation that might be a good fit
[12:44:47] <lair82> I just dropped my config files onto my new drive, and tried to edit the INI to reflect right file path, and it tells me that I don't have permission to edit the file. What is the best way to copy all my stuff out the problem machine, and into this new drive?
[12:45:17] <gregcnc> Syil is producing some smaller cnc ~8000USD
[12:45:55] <Crom> lair82 sudo passwd root -- give root a password then su to root and do all your copying..
[12:45:58] <CaptHindsight> Taig http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/taig-gecko-cnc-mill-milling-machine-engraver-router
[12:46:14] <CaptHindsight> that price is silly
[12:47:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-Module-with-1605-ballscrew-stepper-motor-linear-rail-slider-linear-guider-travel-500mm-linear-actuator/2052910268.html?spm=2114.40010208.4.53.FVbVs5 500mm travel with can bearings $150
[12:47:52] <Crom> root@robi-desktop:/etc# I keep a terminal up in root just for all the sudo bs
[12:47:58] <witnit> lair82: su root; cp -R /files /where/files/go;
[12:48:06] <witnit> I thinki thats right right?!
[12:48:19] <Crom> su
[12:48:32] <CaptHindsight> these aren't too bad http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Linear-Stage-Actuator-Table-400mm-Travel-Length-Linear-Moudle-for-DIY-CNC-Router-Machine-tool-X/32324012398.html?spm=2114.40010208.4.93.1eJDYv
[12:48:34] <Crom> then cp -R /files /destination
[12:48:42] <_methods> or the grizzly g0702? might be more middle than the x2
[12:48:55] <_methods> g0704
[12:49:08] <CaptHindsight> the problem is getting consistent parts from them
[12:49:21] <witnit> Crom: we best haxors ever
[12:49:29] <CaptHindsight> one batch will be fine and the next with crunchy bearings
[12:50:00] <Tom_itx> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/179968-cnc.html
[12:51:08] <witnit> Im looking for ways to replace the common acutator, the ballscrew with a cam, but then I must make up for gearing somewhere...
[12:51:10] <lair82> Ok, so copy them onto the new machine in any folder, then sudo passwd root, then su root then cp -R /files /where/files/go
[12:51:22] <witnit> try it
[12:51:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/16mm-ball-screw-linear-guide-sliding-table-effective-stroke-500mm-linear-guide-rail-23nema-3A-stepper/32270979864.html?spm=2114.10010108.100009.4.FgxyNP 1605 ballscrew, 500mm travel, 16mm linear bearings ~$250
[12:51:58] <Crom> HF 40939 will never do rigid tapping
[12:53:19] <CaptHindsight> witnit: the main cost is customer support and logistics
[12:53:44] <witnit> CaptHindsight: Our slogan will be RTFM
[12:54:31] <gregcnc> and the company name YOYO you're on you own
[12:57:08] <CaptHindsight> automation technology tries to sell things like that
[12:57:11] <gregcnc> my interweb is like 1990 since yesterday
[12:57:19] <CaptHindsight> but he's a mach3 fanboy
[12:58:27] <witnit> I wonder if we could affordably make a mini cnc lathe comparable to a jewelers lathe in quality
[12:59:01] <CaptHindsight> that's where i bought all those crappy gantry machines I had to rework
[12:59:15] <Crom> yay I have money again!
[12:59:46] <witnit> stop selling your body Crom
[12:59:53] <witnit> there are other ways
[12:59:56] <CaptHindsight> witnit: I'd say just make and sell machine frames
[13:00:13] <witnit> cnc ready desktop units?
[13:00:15] <CaptHindsight> let people buy their own motors and drives
[13:00:41] <CaptHindsight> cast frames in iron and epoxy granite
[13:01:06] <Crom> now to wait for adafruit or newark to get there zero's for the 2 weeks
[13:01:19] <Crom> s/there/their/
[13:01:47] <Crom> witnit hehe
[13:02:04] <Jymmm> mold injected glass filled nylon
[13:02:05] <Crom> but I do need to get some lilypad's
[13:03:19] <gregcnc> I say buy some 2" thick granite and bolt a spindle and linear rails to it.
[13:03:20] <CaptHindsight> just sell the frames ready to go, all square
[13:03:27] <witnit> Jymmm: carbon fiber nano tube 3d printed thingies
[13:03:38] <witnit> gregcnc: I was thinking that exact thing earlier today
[13:04:05] <Jymmm> witnit: carbon fiber, sure. 3d printed, eh.
[13:04:11] <CaptHindsight> you still have to square everything
[13:04:25] <witnit> but Jymmm Jymmm imagine the lattice structures!
[13:04:27] <CaptHindsight> thats the tricky part
[13:05:01] <CaptHindsight> precast polymer granite gantry
[13:05:08] <Jymmm> witnit: I do... https://soyouregettingmarried.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/stacked_hay_bales_wyoming_usa_600-01184455.jpg
[13:05:17] <CaptHindsight> low cost of materials
[13:05:23] <Crom> just ordered 20 lilypad's $2/36 each
[13:05:27] <witnit> well, with the proper grinder I wonder if it wouldnt be better to attache the rail and grind it to the table flatness
[13:05:52] <witnit> oh, so you get it
[13:06:15] <Jymmm> witnit: =)
[13:06:27] <CaptHindsight> 200 lb frame will cost $160 by truck
[13:06:31] <witnit> I used to bail hay, once
[13:06:42] <CaptHindsight> more if a liftgate is required
[13:06:49] <witnit> that looks like straw tho
[13:07:12] <Jymmm> witnit: I wouldn't know either way =)
[13:07:41] <CaptHindsight> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oHFSJSnN8uM/hqdefault.jpg
[13:08:02] <CaptHindsight> that frame will be >1k lbs
[13:08:13] <witnit> I have the opportunity to buy one of these for about $50
[13:08:30] <witnit> they dropped it :P so its just the base and a crooked upright
[13:08:33] <ikidd> I'm sure this is heresy, but is anyone using a cutoff router like the dewalt 660 for MDF?
[13:08:37] <witnit> mitutoyo
[13:09:02] <Jymmm> Crom: whatcha doin with the lillypads?
[13:09:08] <witnit> I could probably pull the encoders off it and get it
[13:09:12] <CaptHindsight> http://primatics.com/images/stages/450/gantry.jpg another option
[13:09:33] <CaptHindsight> predilled surface plate and pre-squared blocks
[13:09:39] <CaptHindsight> just add motion
[13:10:08] <witnit> I wonder how cheap granite lathe beds would be
[13:10:18] <witnit> just like 3" x 12"
[13:10:23] <CaptHindsight> the surface late may also be iron t-slot
[13:11:06] <CaptHindsight> iron surface plate with slots + granite blocks
[13:11:42] <CaptHindsight> witnit: it depends on your desired flatness and squareness
[13:12:53] <witnit> hmm air bearing stages...
[13:12:55] <witnit> :P
[13:13:26] <CaptHindsight> nah, you're dealing with types that are also considering plywood machine bases
[13:14:46] <CaptHindsight> https://www.aerotech.com/media/104154/ags1500_alt_438x320-fit-ffffff.jpg with motion this is ~$50k
[13:14:57] <witnit> cute
[13:16:27] <CaptHindsight> andy is making a lathe for cheap, he got his castings done for cheap
[13:16:35] <Sync_> witnit: suprisingly cheap if you do it like dan gelbart did it
[13:16:36] <CaptHindsight> and he's machining them himself
[13:16:51] <CaptHindsight> he built his own forms as well
[13:17:01] <witnit> maybe if I can find a hollow shaft servo motor for spindle I could ditch everything else required for spindle bearings etc
[13:17:47] <CaptHindsight> witnit: the china 1500w spindles are hollow shafts
[13:18:00] <witnit> that dan guy did nice work
[13:18:16] <witnit> bore diam?
[13:18:36] <CaptHindsight> 19mm thread so ~16mm
[13:18:54] <Sync_> I'd just get a regular headstock used or one of those blockhead airbearings
[13:18:55] <witnit> I wonder how terrible the bearing are in them
[13:19:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle/1500w-1hp-air-cooled-cnc-milling-spindle
[13:19:31] <CaptHindsight> with "Germany" bearings :)
[13:19:41] <gregcnc> bore probably less than 10
[13:19:43] <witnit> oh, would need a through hole though
[13:20:14] <CaptHindsight> the air colled are through bore
[13:20:35] <CaptHindsight> ~15mm bore
[13:21:23] <gregcnc> the narrow end of ER16 taper is ~10mm
[13:21:48] <CaptHindsight> taper shmaper
[13:23:50] <CaptHindsight> I only have few minutes left to argue
[13:23:55] <CaptHindsight> anyone?
[13:24:02] <witnit> oh, umm mach3 is good
[13:24:15] <witnit> emco is best
[13:24:22] <CaptHindsight> the cd keeps my table from rocking
[13:24:24] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, wasted enough time ehh?
[13:24:30] <gregcnc> i thought about a hardinge HSL-59 for a while , but they are fairly expensive
[13:24:56] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: call it market research
[13:25:01] <witnit> these hollow shaft motors are expensive
[13:26:26] <CaptHindsight> witnit: add up the cost of what is in an Emco lathe and watch for the sales
[13:26:39] <CaptHindsight> lots of work for little margin
[13:27:28] <gregcnc> Emco are expensive
[13:27:52] <CaptHindsight> emco, grizzly
[13:27:54] <witnit> I wonder if a <12" lathe is sellable
[13:27:59] <gregcnc> enco?
[13:28:02] <witnit> I bet a micro mill and micro lathe would go
[13:28:38] <witnit> Im talking like, 5"X2.5" mill and 6"lathe
[13:29:00] <CaptHindsight> witnit: you're competing against the ChinaCo machines at HF
[13:29:14] <CaptHindsight> most buyers don't see the difference
[13:29:20] <witnit> yeah but jewelers lathe quality?
[13:29:38] <CaptHindsight> who understands quality anymore?
[13:29:41] <witnit> I wouldnt want to market to the one and done community
[13:29:42] <gregcnc> http://www.pocketnc.com/preorders/
[13:29:57] <witnit> BAM gregcnc thats what im talking bouuuuuuut
[13:30:09] <witnit> look at all thar profit margin
[13:30:12] <gregcnc> except it's expensive and still crap
[13:30:18] <CaptHindsight> that concept has been removed from the public consciousness
[13:30:20] <witnit> RIGHT
[13:30:28] <CaptHindsight> it was replaced by branding
[13:31:06] <Crom> for classes at Makerspace Creatorspace.us
[13:31:10] <gregcnc> you'll spend more on P4 bearings for the spindle than the china machine costs. how do you compete when people have no clue?
[13:31:12] <witnit> some people would find great use in these if they lived in tighter quarters or their wife wont let them have a garage
[13:31:49] <witnit> I seen many jewelers lathes go incredibly high
[13:31:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pocketnc.com/aboutus/
[13:32:34] <gregcnc> yes, but they are known for quality, and new replacement cost is unreal
[13:32:54] <CaptHindsight> 280 backers pledged $355,833
[13:33:47] <CaptHindsight> thats like 1-2 machines for me
[13:33:53] <CaptHindsight> sometime about 1/2
[13:34:15] <witnit> I think this dood can make some serious money with this
[13:34:27] <maxcnc> hi all B:
[13:34:46] <CaptHindsight> how much was each pocket NC?
[13:34:53] <witnit> looked like 4k
[13:35:06] <gregcnc> sure when 5 axis free CAM is commonplace
[13:35:31] <witnit> who cares when hes fully backordered :P
[13:36:06] <Sync_> if you look at the videos of that thing, you see it is pretty shitty
[13:36:35] <CaptHindsight> $2k + margin in each
[13:37:05] <CaptHindsight> ~4" travel for XYZ
[13:37:45] <CaptHindsight> I'd say $1200 in off the shelf China parts
[13:38:32] <Sync_> I'd say 2k, as the spindle is actually legit
[13:38:36] <Sync_> and pretty expensive
[13:38:46] <witnit> oh its definitely poop but the profit margin is great
[13:39:12] <CaptHindsight> 100w bldc spindle
[13:39:37] <witnit> yeah but who else is doing a desktop 5xis anything
[13:39:57] <Sync_> nobody, because the market is probably pretty small
[13:40:04] <CaptHindsight> I see things like this and wonder how many suckers are left
[13:40:07] <witnit> hhahah youre probably right
[13:40:07] <Sync_> I like how they are making their own boards
[13:40:32] <CaptHindsight> 4 people on the website
[13:40:54] <CaptHindsight> so lets say $1500 cost per unit
[13:41:19] <CaptHindsight> $2500 profit / 4 = $625
[13:41:45] <CaptHindsight> x 100 machines
[13:41:58] <witnit> yeah but imagine one order could easily be 100 machines
[13:42:16] <CaptHindsight> I was going by the kickstarter
[13:42:59] <CaptHindsight> 100 is more than the entire kickstarter
[13:43:04] <Sync_> yep
[13:43:22] <maxcnc> wear calculation
[13:43:31] <Sync_> but I think their overall profitability is lower
[13:43:59] <witnit> yeah but his overhead cost is so low, he could make 99% of this stuff in 15' by 15' room
[13:44:04] <Sync_> they shipped 19 for the kickstarter
[13:44:46] <Sync_> and say they will make 140 during '16
[13:45:19] <CaptHindsight> if they split it 4 ways ~$60K each
[13:45:33] <CaptHindsight> before taxes
[13:45:39] <Sync_> which means they have to make one each 2 days
[13:46:19] <Sync_> yeah but 60k sucks balls for something they have been working on for 2 years
[13:46:25] <CaptHindsight> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/projects/823678/photo-original.JPG?v=1434135762&w=1536&h=1152&fit=crop&auto=format&q=92&s=2f5bb1ba7f836622959aa0ee23ca135a
[13:46:34] <CaptHindsight> ^^ is the base hollow?
[13:46:42] <Sync_> of course
[13:46:51] <Sync_> the electronics sit in there
[13:46:54] <CaptHindsight> ah
[13:47:05] <CaptHindsight> paint covers the seam
[13:47:17] <Sync_> I think it is machined from solid
[13:47:25] <CaptHindsight> or do they mill out a block
[13:47:31] <Sync_> because cost does not matter
[13:47:32] <CaptHindsight> yikes
[13:47:43] <witnit> the only major problem I see is the trunnion axis hanging out, supported only by one side
[13:47:45] <Sync_> the machined volume is >9000 on that one
[13:48:10] <witnit> looks like you would quickly get chatter on one half of the machine table and none on the other
[13:48:26] <CaptHindsight> it's a teeny spindle
[13:48:42] <zeeshan> i like the rj45
[13:48:43] <zeeshan> :D
[13:48:46] <witnit> I really dont think he has that much money in them
[13:48:57] <Sync_> http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52c06c29e4b0330e4569449b/t/562539d3e4b01f2e7f1cf9fb/1445280219200/?format=750w
[13:48:59] <zeeshan> all dat work
[13:49:01] <witnit> not a single item on it is expensive
[13:49:02] <zeeshan> and the wires are exposed
[13:49:04] <zeeshan> nice.
[13:49:13] <CaptHindsight> easier to service
[13:49:16] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcoZEMXa5IU
[13:49:23] <Sync_> and not even chain cable zeeshan :D
[13:49:29] <zeeshan> wow
[13:49:34] <zeeshan> that machine does not sound rigid at all
[13:49:35] <zeeshan> lol
[13:49:39] <zeeshan> chatter like no tommo
[13:49:41] <witnit> hahaha no
[13:49:45] <CaptHindsight> doesn't matter
[13:49:51] <zeeshan> ??
[13:50:01] <CaptHindsight> they sold 100 anyway
[13:50:10] <witnit> as a prototyping machine I still bet many engineers would buy them up for home use
[13:50:16] <CaptHindsight> probably less than 5 returns
[13:50:29] <zeeshan> witnit not me :P
[13:51:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-parts/cnc-router-rotational-axis-the-4th-axis $300
[13:51:58] <witnit> if they replaced every piece of aluminum with iron and then doubled the size of the linear bearings and added a support to the machine table it would be MUCH better
[13:52:08] <CaptHindsight> not sure why they decided to machine all that
[13:52:39] <CaptHindsight> you can cobble most of that all together with off the shelf
[13:53:01] <gregcnc> machining a part "adds value"
[13:53:31] <CaptHindsight> thats why I hand polish everything before t ships
[13:53:53] <CaptHindsight> old world craftsmanship
[13:53:59] <gregcnc> you have it down
[13:54:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-parts/z-axis-slider-2
[13:56:28] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/yiJ9fy1qSFI?t=4m5s
[13:56:40] <tiwake> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Vulkan-API-GDC-2016-Videos
[13:56:47] <tiwake> watching that is interesting
[13:58:27] <CaptHindsight> 60k rpm bldc maxon motor 120w ~$500
[13:58:38] <Sync_> so is the spindle
[14:00:02] <CaptHindsight> Sync_: well 2 years, working part time $60k isn't bad
[14:00:16] <CaptHindsight> say it's their evening hobby
[14:00:30] <CaptHindsight> or just weekends
[14:00:51] <Sync_> well you have to subtract the haas from it and the PNP
[14:01:02] <CaptHindsight> at least you get paid for your weekend activity
[14:02:03] <CaptHindsight> I have a bunch of spare parts I can cobble together
[14:02:46] <CaptHindsight> but it needs a catchy name
[14:02:47] * zeeshan is looking at youtube channel
[14:02:57] <zeeshan> my most viewed video is a garage door opener
[14:02:57] <zeeshan> haha
[14:03:01] <zeeshan> 20.8k views
[14:03:07] <zeeshan> i did some hax
[14:03:16] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B3xSZi7QoI
[14:03:25] <CaptHindsight> the Luckup 5 axis mill
[14:04:06] <zeeshan> thats when i actually had garage space
[14:04:06] <zeeshan> :D
[14:04:30] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: without mounting the motor in the space above?
[14:04:39] <zeeshan> yea side mounted it
[14:04:55] <zeeshan> but if you side mount it
[14:04:57] <zeeshan> you gotta be careful
[14:05:01] <zeeshan> if you try to pull the garage door up
[14:05:04] <zeeshan> it'll try to lift
[14:05:10] <CaptHindsight> were you sure to make sure the chain is low enough to reach small hands?
[14:05:12] <zeeshan> and the anti-theft mode kicks on and it forces theg arage door down
[14:05:15] <zeeshan> and damages your door
[14:05:37] <zeeshan> you need a solenoid that releases a pin so the door cant move
[14:05:49] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: it was a prototype setup
[14:05:58] <zeeshan> i kept it low so i didnt have to use a ladder during fab
[14:06:41] <gregcnc> http://www.amazon.com/LiftMaster-3800-Residential-Jackshaft-Garage/dp/B000MT7WV4
[14:06:50] <zeeshan> too big
[14:06:53] <zeeshan> :P
[14:07:08] <CaptHindsight> Jackshaft thats a great name!
[14:07:20] <CaptHindsight> Jackshaft 5 axis mill
[14:07:38] <CaptHindsight> by Luckup industries
[14:08:39] <_methods> make sure it's fingernail friendly too
[14:10:18] <CaptHindsight> the Basshat 5-axis milling machine for Makers!
[14:10:45] <_methods> make sure it comes with an upcycled container
[14:10:54] <CaptHindsight> ohh with an extruder for 5-axis FFF
[14:10:58] <_methods> and a free hydro hammock and smart water bottle
[14:11:54] <CaptHindsight> but then you'll need a 5-axis slic3r
[14:13:38] <CaptHindsight> and 5-axis marlin firmware
[14:13:54] <CaptHindsight> oh crap that should be easy
[14:13:58] <Jymmm> 5 axis fish?
[14:14:27] <CaptHindsight> http://reprap.org/wiki/Marlin
[14:14:36] <_methods> you'll need to reinvent the wheel also and make your own controller board
[14:14:43] <_methods> call it the squeegie board
[14:15:30] <CaptHindsight> no problem, going to use some surplus toaster oven controllers and a PC for GUI
[14:15:59] <_methods> you'll also need an ios app
[14:16:12] <CaptHindsight> via the Cloud
[14:16:15] <_methods> so you can make parts while you're at your boyfriends house across town
[14:16:28] <Jymmm> The NSA has lots of them to choose from for free too
[14:16:54] <_methods> and it HAS to have tool probe
[14:17:06] <Jymmm> ...and soon the FBI too =)
[14:17:09] <CaptHindsight> _methods: is squeegie a silly enough name though?
[14:17:09] <_methods> because touching off tools is terribly complicated
[14:17:11] <Jymmm> (maybe)
[14:17:26] <CaptHindsight> they went as far as Sanguinololu
[14:17:42] <_methods> yeah i guess squeegie might not be far enough
[14:17:45] <Lowridah> i'm not a fan of those
[14:17:52] <_methods> what is that hawiian fish with teh crazy name
[14:18:01] <_methods> hamwnwnnannania;la;j;pploloualal
[14:18:03] <CaptHindsight> maybe something that also sounds Hawaiian
[14:18:05] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[14:18:29] <CaptHindsight> with some math symbols thrown in for fun
[14:18:49] <CaptHindsight> or maybe since it is a machine....
[14:18:58] <CaptHindsight> it needs a macho name
[14:19:19] <CaptHindsight> metal mutilator 5000
[14:19:25] <Jymmm> Nacho Libra is mui macho
[14:20:24] <CaptHindsight> NachoBellgrandeMountainDewMUtillator 5K
[14:20:40] <CaptHindsight> silly and macho
[14:20:59] <_methods> cheeze whiz can attachment
[14:21:33] <_methods> maybe i've gone too far there
[14:22:50] <CaptHindsight> √ NachoBellgrandeMountainDewMUtillator π
[14:23:39] <CaptHindsight> the extra math gives it extra credibility
[14:23:54] <CaptHindsight> for a double dose
[14:24:14] <malcom2073> Legit cred
[14:24:37] <Jymmm> What?! No roman numerials?
[14:25:54] <CaptHindsight> so lets see, 5 axis spindle, extruder, cheeze dispenser, laser... hmm what else?
[14:26:05] <_methods> fingernail polisher
[14:26:28] <CaptHindsight> oh like a Dremel set of tools
[14:26:48] <CaptHindsight> water jet
[14:27:27] <CaptHindsight> syringe pump!
[14:28:34] <CaptHindsight> what are we missing?
[14:29:05] <_methods> something that someone else has already invented that we can claim we invented
[14:29:09] <_methods> maybe orings
[14:29:42] <CaptHindsight> yeah, post-its has been done
[14:30:21] <CaptHindsight> vacuum nozzle
[14:30:34] <_methods> ah that's good
[14:30:41] <_methods> new tech
[14:30:48] <CaptHindsight> yeah, it sucks
[14:30:50] <_methods> hahaha
[14:31:14] <CaptHindsight> mood lighting?
[14:32:00] <CaptHindsight> scent dispenser/incense
[14:32:50] <CaptHindsight> choice of 5 woodgrain finishes
[14:35:21] <CaptHindsight> maybe the base can be made from repurposed scrap materials, walnut shells, lawn darts, repraps etc
[14:40:55] <archivist> zeeshan might claim prior art for those fugly things he is making
[14:42:43] <zeeshan> ??
[14:44:39] <_methods> wow i just got some crazy email from amazon saying how awesome they are to work for and how terrible to people they aren't
[14:45:50] <archivist> I know someone who is a warehouse slave at amazon
[14:46:21] <_methods> yeah i've never heard anyone say anything good about the place thats for sure
[14:47:09] <_methods> i can't imagine a company that treated people well would have to send out a mass mail like that
[14:50:57] <zeeshan> http://www.electriduct.com/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/nylon-expandable-braided-sleeving.jpg&maxx=98&maxy=100
[14:51:07] <zeeshan> anyone use this typing of cable sleeving?
[14:51:50] <CaptHindsight> too blurry for my use
[14:52:33] <zeeshan> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0225/3549/products/IMG_2410_a28977d0-64f7-4005-960a-575fec655fba_1024x1024.jpg?v=1386876872
[14:52:52] <CaptHindsight> yeah, that type I would use
[14:53:03] <Sync_> zeeshan: it is teh seks
[14:53:08] <zeeshan> ive never used it
[14:53:11] <zeeshan> im confused on something
[14:53:32] <Sync_> but why don't you use raychem dr25?
[14:54:26] <zeeshan> http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s98/Pocket_004/LS1%20harness/DSC01460.jpg
[14:54:36] <zeeshan> basically ill get my h arness to look like that
[14:54:43] <zeeshan> how the heck are you supposed to slide that shit over
[14:54:48] <zeeshan> even after depinning the ends?
[14:55:18] <zeeshan> like for example my cables run like this -----------------|--------------|-----------|---------|
[14:55:23] <CaptHindsight> I think they grow the wires inside
[14:55:31] <zeeshan> where each | is a split going to an injector
[14:55:38] <zeeshan> but the --------- is the bank's wiring set
[14:55:56] <Sync_> zeeshan: it expands like mad
[14:56:24] <archivist> push ends inwards to expand
[14:59:22] <zeeshan> sync
[14:59:26] <zeeshan> howd you install that
[14:59:39] <zeeshan> i see a split version of this
[15:03:00] <zeeshan> sync wake up! :P
[15:03:06] <zeeshan> i know how to get it over the connector
[15:03:12] <zeeshan> but im confused at how to cover the main wire!
[15:03:16] <zeeshan> cause theres so many junctions
[15:10:56] <Sync_> http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbo/wiring_pix/rt125_sealing.jpg zeeshan
[15:12:00] <zeeshan> the thing with the raychem stuff is
[15:12:06] <zeeshan> the wiring harness isnt serviceable anymore
[15:12:12] <zeeshan> without ripping it seriously apart
[15:12:19] <Sync_> well
[15:12:24] <Sync_> it should not fail internally
[15:12:31] <Sync_> but if you need to add something, yeah you are fucked
[15:12:32] <zeeshan> _should_ :P
[15:12:45] <zeeshan> thats why i want to use the expandable sleeving stuff
[15:12:51] <zeeshan> no more of that split loom garbage
[15:18:12] <Sync_> the easiest way is to cut the sleeve and insert the wiring parallel
[15:18:18] <gregcnc> there is a split version of the braided type
[15:18:26] <Sync_> yes, but it is less pro
[15:21:38] <Sync_> https://public.bn1302.livefilestore.com/y3ptQ19S3JC55F9mWvtsmKnG5je3XDC63I74obyDlHs45v_-HVrfo3APXKXy3mODljL8Ppn0Tj9oxYL9Y2sxY7Vm-uTgz9t7wXsepeAx9Xq47k/DSC06164.jpg?psid=1&rdrts=132868554 as seen here zeeshan
[15:22:05] <zeeshan> looks intense :P
[15:22:14] <Sync_> well, you wanted a sleeved harness
[15:23:52] <gregcnc> why do legos appear to be fractional in design rather than metric?
[15:24:31] <dr0w> cuz merica?
[15:25:24] <Crom> OMfreaking Gawd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Cq78zYKzs I WANT ONE NOW!
[15:25:36] <gregcnc> lego are Danish
[15:27:07] <dr0w> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lego_dimensions.svg fwiw
[15:30:11] <XXCoder> gregcnc: lego stole design from demo of molding
[15:30:13] <_methods> Crom: nice
[15:30:20] <XXCoder> shh its a secret :P
[15:30:31] <XXCoder> kinder blocks I think was real first
[15:31:28] <XXCoder> no was wrong, its kiddicraft
[15:31:29] <gregcnc> that's what I mean. 15.8mm? mine measures .6245"
[15:32:21] <XXCoder> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/03/lego-stole-their-now-patented-bricks-from-kiddicrafts-patented-self-locking-bricks/ if curious on history
[15:35:04] <dr0w> what's 25 tenths between abs injection molding? ;)
[15:35:36] <gregcnc> nobody would design a metric design to 15.8mm for such a simple part
[15:36:59] <XXCoder> gregcnc: like I said, it was copied, they didnt specify sizes
[15:37:02] <gregcnc> so they were British, that makes sense, and i did not know
[15:37:07] <XXCoder> as a result.. wel
[15:37:32] <XXCoder> dr0w: lots. their mold precision is... insane,.
[15:37:53] <XXCoder> far behind normal milling even for sensive (+- .0005) parts
[15:38:01] <dr0w> I'd imagine it would have to be
[15:39:10] <XXCoder> https://i.imgur.com/XImHYQO.jpg
[15:39:25] <XXCoder> that mold cost more than everything you own lol
[15:39:29] <dr0w> the real wizardry (to me at least) is compensating for the thermal coefficient of expansion of abs
[15:40:35] <XXCoder> indeed
[15:40:48] <XXCoder> though more and more lego is made at china :(
[15:40:59] <gregcnc> those are not as good
[15:41:07] <gregcnc> it's obvious
[15:41:17] <XXCoder> and there is huge increase of lego clones at aliexpress, clearly molds leaked or "nidnight shifts"
[16:05:38] <gregcnc> witnit http://www.levil.com/desktop-cnc-lathes.html
[16:07:51] <malcom2073> Wolf_: http://www.gregorysauctions.com/auction.asp?id=468
[16:43:42] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, is that cable sleeve expandable?
[16:46:00] <Tom_itx> i used that on some of my mill wiring
[16:46:59] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, this is what you need to do: http://www.dairiki.org/hammond/cable-lacing-howto/
[16:51:20] <FloppyDisk> that levil looks like it should be linuxcnc controlled... They just don't know...
[16:52:09] <FloppyDisk> UGH - linux. There's a reason the general population doesn't use it. I was doing an update-manager update in Xubuntu 14.04 and it stalled.
[16:52:31] <FloppyDisk> I rebooted and now get checksum error w/ update-manager, can't seem to fix.
[17:03:07] <Jymmm> stalled? like two hours or ???
[17:04:12] <FloppyDisk> Jymmm - Well, about 1/2 hour and I got impatient. It was 280MB, so I suppose I should have left it. But, the mouse was gone, nothing seemed
[17:04:33] <FloppyDisk> to move or change when typed keys ctr-alt-delete, etc.
[17:05:01] <FloppyDisk> Have you left updates for a few hours? Seems plausible...
[17:05:14] <Jymmm> sometimes
[17:06:12] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, as I was looking into the issues, I was thinking, maybe you should have left it... Windows can spend a LONG time
[17:06:21] <FloppyDisk> on updates sometimes, so why wouldn't this be the same.
[17:07:54] <enleth> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231873466153?pb=14 - just got those for $41
[17:10:07] <Wolf_> malcom2073: yeah, yearly spring equipment auction, good for dumping stuff
[17:10:47] <Crom> just ordered a patio cover... :) Now for the Veterans Administration to hurry up with my case, so I can pay it off!
[17:11:13] <Crom> 13'x34' Alumawood solid
[17:12:13] <Valen> windows update, on win7 first install on a SSD with quad core takes ~4 hours sitting at "checking for updates"
[17:14:52] <OdinYggd> Why do you have Windows update on.
[17:15:03] <OdinYggd> Its taking so long because it is upgrading to windows 10
[17:17:48] <enleth> FloppyDisk: ^ got two Copleys 423 for $41, there was just one bidder who apparently hoped that he just wouldn't get outbid
[17:17:52] <CaptHindsight> thats the express no cost to you (other than time and bandwidth) Win10 install
[17:20:29] <FloppyDisk> enleth - nice deal!! Those amps should be good.
[17:22:13] <_methods> Valen: you need to run a .msu to fix that
[17:22:19] <_methods> one sec let me find the link for you
[17:22:47] <_methods> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3102810
[17:23:45] <_methods> some people have reported that even running that does not resolve the issue though
[17:23:46] <Valen> _methods: yeah, this is after that ;->
[17:23:52] <_methods> ouch
[17:24:11] <_methods> you know what i had to do last time i did fresh install and ran into that
[17:24:29] <_methods> hit the window symbol in the lower left and see if the reboot symbol is on start
[17:24:33] <Valen> just leave the damn thing and walk away even though its being a bitch
[17:24:43] <_methods> i had to do a shutdown on it like 8 times
[17:24:52] <_methods> and then it would isntall a couple updates
[17:24:59] <Valen> for me it was only really the first one or two that took the time
[17:25:00] <_methods> then i would have to keep doing that repeatedly
[17:25:11] <Valen> it spent so long in the "searching for updates" phase
[17:25:16] <_methods> yeah
[17:25:21] <Valen> hadn't decided to install any of them yet
[17:25:30] <_methods> i did a shutdown
[17:25:36] <_methods> and then it forced the install o
[17:25:44] <_methods> using the shutdown button
[17:25:48] <_methods> not a power off
[17:26:00] <Valen> I have seen in the past if you manually run check for updates at the same time as it has started automatically it'll screw itself up
[17:31:43] <JT-Bayou> Hello from the Bayou
[17:32:21] <Deejay> gn8
[17:33:20] <_methods> jt-gatorbait
[17:37:47] <JT-Bayou> I played with a 13 foot gator today
[17:39:08] <_methods> hah
[17:39:50] <Tom_itx> _methods ever use the logitech M570 with SW?
[17:40:17] <_methods> no waht is that?
[17:40:29] <_methods> i just use a regular mouse i've never liked all those whacky peripherals
[17:40:38] <_methods> that stupid spacemouse thing
[17:40:55] <Tom_itx> it's a thumb ball mouse
[17:40:56] <_methods> oh trackaball
[17:41:02] <Tom_itx> with 2 extra buttons
[17:41:02] <_methods> i can't use those things to save my life lol
[17:41:14] <Tom_itx> i just wondered if you could map those 2 buttons in SW
[17:41:17] <JT-Bayou> Hola Tom
[17:41:20] <_methods> my buddy had one and swore by it
[17:41:20] <Tom_itx> hey jt
[17:41:34] <Tom_itx> i've used similar in the past and like them
[17:41:36] <Tom_itx> for cad
[17:41:40] <_methods> i tried it and couldn't click on shit
[17:41:47] <Tom_itx> i got the m570 working pretty good in catia
[17:41:58] <_methods> i guess i'm just too uncoordinated for trackballs lol
[17:42:05] <_methods> i never was good at missle command
[17:42:06] <Tom_itx> but would like to get zoom and rotate working with the buttons
[17:42:25] <Tom_itx> it takes about a week to get real used to it
[17:42:33] <Tom_itx> but i've used one in the past and like them
[17:42:53] <Tom_itx> and you can slow the ball speed down if you want
[17:43:22] <Tom_itx> i like to set it so i can move the full screen with one movement
[17:43:23] <_methods> i've just been using a regular mouse and keyboard shortcuts for so long, it's just what i'm used to
[17:43:41] <Tom_itx> i haven't found anything yet on setting those buttons
[17:43:44] <_methods> i guess i'm getting old and intolerant of change lol
[17:44:07] <_methods> you can't bind them to the buttons?
[17:44:15] <Tom_itx> not yet
[17:45:35] <_methods> you can't change the button function in the settings area?
[17:46:10] <_methods> opening sw now to look
[17:46:23] <Tom_itx> i don't see a place for the extra buttons
[17:47:54] <_methods> yeah me either
[17:47:56] <_methods> interesting
[17:48:26] <_methods> i wonder if under keyboard shortcuts
[17:48:30] <_methods> search for pan
[17:48:43] <_methods> and bind whatever button to it
[17:49:08] <Tom_itx> well i don't know what button it would be
[17:49:14] <_methods> just press it
[17:49:20] <_methods> and it will add it
[17:49:27] <Tom_itx> didn't
[17:49:29] <Jymmm> NO! NOT THAT BUTTON!!!!
[17:49:34] <_methods> hmm
[17:49:38] <_methods> well was worth a shot
[17:50:04] <JT-Bayou> See you later
[17:50:15] <Tom_itx> bye jt
[17:50:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You are actually listening to _methods?! Hell, he'll let look down the barrel of a loading gun, and then say "well, it was worth a shot"
[17:50:47] <_methods> https://forum.solidworks.com/thread/33675
[17:50:57] <_methods> you'll probably have to do it like that
[17:51:02] <_methods> using the logitech software
[17:51:23] <Tom_itx> well their software doesn't allow customizing for SW
[17:51:31] <Tom_itx> started there already
[17:51:41] <_methods> man
[17:51:50] <_methods> yeah i've never really tried to do that before
[17:51:59] <Tom_itx> it's very handy in catia
[17:52:04] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Is that what you are trying to do, "OK and "Cancel" ?
[17:52:09] <Tom_itx> much faster than 3 button mouse
[17:52:17] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, no
[17:52:41] <Tom_itx> center + right is zoom in catia
[17:53:03] <Tom_itx> center + right click is pan or vise versa
[17:53:17] <_methods> mouse wheel is zoom in sw
[17:53:20] <Tom_itx> center is rotate or vise versa
[17:53:21] <Jymmm> I've never found application specific mouse mapping to work very well, but global function specific does.
[17:53:26] <_methods> hold down mouse to pan
[17:53:32] <_methods> center mouse
[17:53:35] <Tom_itx> right now i have them mapped as the center button
[17:53:41] <Tom_itx> and it does rotate
[17:54:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: have you tried a 3d mouse yet?
[17:54:12] <Tom_itx> oops, dinnertime
[17:54:25] <Tom_itx> Jymmm they have them at the lab and nobody uses them
[17:54:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: They do get some getting used to
[17:55:17] <Jymmm> but 6 axis in your hand sure seems to beat a mouse
[17:57:32] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: thanks that's what was missing
[17:58:24] <CaptHindsight> √NachoBellgrandeMountainDewMUtillatorπ 6-fing axis
[18:14:11] <_methods> hahah
[18:15:19] <_methods> house of pain needs to get with trump and do a trump around remix
[18:23:36] <Tom_itx> i wish i could map those buttons to keystrokes but i don't even see how to do that
[18:23:53] <Tom_itx> like alt-something or ctrl-something
[18:24:37] <Tom_itx> oh wait.. maybe there is a way
[18:25:49] <Tom_itx> _methods, what's a good keyboard shortcut for those 2 functions?
[18:25:59] <Tom_itx> zoom, pan, rotate
[18:26:12] <Tom_itx> 3
[18:27:21] <Lowridah> i think the only musicians that support trump are like, ted nugent
[18:27:49] <Valen> _methods: oh god I can see him doing that
[18:28:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/pictures/19-of-donald-trumps-weirdest-celebrity-endorsements-20160121
[18:28:25] <Lowridah> man, i can't imagine wanting to be a part of that club
[18:28:37] <Lowridah> filled with luminaries as tila tequila and hulk hogan
[18:28:55] <CaptHindsight> stunted victims of abuse or abusers
[18:29:12] <Lowridah> mann coulter's on the list haha
[18:29:23] <Lowridah> wow could you imagine a trump/coulter ticket
[18:29:31] <CaptHindsight> easily
[18:29:32] <Lowridah> two people nobody in the world wants to look at in the face
[18:30:03] <CaptHindsight> except for victims of abuse, they look to them for comfort
[18:31:50] <_methods> closer to idiocracy every day
[18:32:44] <CaptHindsight> you won't find anyone that supports him that isn't a victim of abuse or is an abuser
[18:33:47] <CaptHindsight> goes to show you how many people in the US are just used to being abused
[18:35:39] <CaptHindsight> they look to a strong voice, and black and white
[18:36:03] <CaptHindsight> they aren't comfortable with grey areas or having to decide anything on their own
[18:36:18] <malcom2073> Sounds like people on both sides
[18:36:52] <_methods> both sides?
[18:37:07] <CaptHindsight> and most aren't trying to get any help, they even defend their abusers
[18:37:12] <_methods> i don't think even the gop is on his side
[18:37:32] <Tom_itx> that's not very handy with kbd assignments
[18:37:43] <CaptHindsight> GOP leadership
[18:37:58] <CaptHindsight> they don't want to lose any power to Trump
[18:37:59] <_methods> they have leadership?
[18:38:07] <CaptHindsight> that what all their fuss is all about
[18:38:32] <CaptHindsight> trainwreck leadership, but it's all they have now
[18:39:43] <CaptHindsight> have the Koch bros made any public statements on trump?
[18:40:09] <_methods> i thought i heard something the other day
[18:40:25] <_methods> i think they just funded a bunch of ads or something
[18:40:25] <CaptHindsight> they are against
[18:40:32] <Tom_itx> not surprised
[18:40:52] <Tom_itx> i've met Charles
[18:40:54] <CaptHindsight> http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/267766-koch-brothers-network-ready-to-oppose-trump
[18:41:01] <Lowridah> maybe they need to make the gop great again
[18:41:59] <_methods> haha
[18:42:14] <CaptHindsight> two GOP media and PR teams battling it out
[18:42:17] <FloppyDisk> The republicans are in a mess, if Trump doesn't get the nomination and the party nominates Cruz or Rubio,
[18:42:37] <FloppyDisk> Trump will take away votes and give it to the democrats. Like HRoss Perot years ago...
[18:42:46] <FloppyDisk> But opposite.
[18:43:23] <CaptHindsight> Nader
[18:43:31] <_methods> ah yeah
[18:43:36] <_methods> the ralph-a-nader
[18:44:11] <CaptHindsight> Perot had some of the best non-sequitur analogies
[18:44:31] <CaptHindsight> yah can't butter a porcupine and make lemonade
[18:47:54] <_methods> those ears
[18:49:20] <Valen> well I mean he's right
[18:49:39] <CaptHindsight> lol
[18:52:07] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/z851sZXYq5g?t=3m23s
[18:54:21] <_methods> whatever happened to that guy
[18:54:22] <_methods> lol
[18:54:43] <CaptHindsight> Dana had heart problems
[18:54:50] <CaptHindsight> quad bypass
[18:54:51] <_methods> ah
[18:54:59] <_methods> cocaine, it's a hell of a drug
[18:55:54] <CaptHindsight> http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/spotlight/2001-11-05-carvey-heart.htm
[18:56:22] <CaptHindsight> Carvey went in for another angiogram to find the source of recurring angina. And that's when the problem was discovered. Carvey's surgeon, who had reportedly performed thousands of the operations, had bypassed the wrong artery.
[18:56:33] <CaptHindsight> nice
[18:57:09] <_methods> doh
[18:57:40] <CaptHindsight> if possible always bring a marker before surgery
[18:58:11] <Valen> oops
[18:58:21] <_methods> rtfm?
[18:58:39] <CaptHindsight> I've drilled or cut metal and wood in the wrong spot
[18:58:48] <CaptHindsight> but surgery, really?
[19:03:50] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLaBFkeHG0A
[19:03:53] <_methods> laser rust remover
[19:05:10] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ_90920Zbg
[19:05:12] <_methods> better video
[19:06:01] <Sync_> "first"
[19:06:36] <CaptHindsight> we did that 2 weeks ago :)
[19:06:51] <CaptHindsight> door to door laser backpack rust removal service
[19:07:12] <malcom2073> Nice, they do that on airplanes, interesting to see it applied to cars
[19:07:37] <malcom2073> I wanna see him hit the glass heh
[19:10:50] <_methods> wonder how much those things run
[19:11:45] <_methods> oh ouch
[19:11:49] <_methods> $245,000
[19:12:08] <_methods> oh nm the 500w is 380,000
[19:13:27] <_methods> might be better for removing paint from thin material than blasting though
[19:13:46] <_methods> wonder if it causes less warping then blasting thin stuff
[19:14:13] <Sync_> gotta have the right guy do the thin blasting
[19:14:17] <Sync_> then it doesn't warp either
[20:49:49] <CaptHindsight> just watched the 2nd video, he's vaporizing the paint into nanoparticles and not wearing any mask
[20:50:55] <CaptHindsight> maybe he's in a spray booth with a pretty good wind
[21:13:39] <SpeedEvil> Or maybe he's a synth.
[21:18:51] <witnit> gregcnc: i cant believe those price tags
[21:19:03] <witnit> on those levils
[21:20:29] <gregcnc> yeah, but fanuc
[21:20:44] <gregcnc> i wonder what that costs alone
[21:44:27] <CaptHindsight> ah a skinjob
[21:54:58] * Jymmm mumbles... TMI
[22:02:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skin%20job
[22:02:26] <CaptHindsight> prevert
[22:31:24] <pink_vampire> cute!
[22:32:23] <pink_vampire> I just discover that my X axis can go 7 Meters per min, no problem at all!
[22:32:58] <pink_vampire> 275 IPM
[22:33:47] <pink_vampire> this soo fast that it's start so become scary.
[22:39:19] <_methods> rule #32 enjoy the little things
[22:41:14] <pink_vampire> i set it back to 600mm/min
[22:41:53] <pink_vampire> 23.6 ipm..
[22:42:06] <pink_vampire> more then fine for me
[22:43:18] <_methods> rule #4 always check the back seat
[22:43:54] <pink_vampire> _methods: is a bot.
[22:44:00] * SpeedEvil idly wonders about a machine rigid enough to do CNC scraping.
[22:53:11] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure..
[23:01:12] <OdinYggd> CNC retrofitted knee mill with the optional E-head shaper attachment
[23:01:20] <OdinYggd> Load this with shaper bits and take very light cuts
[23:57:54] <yasnak> fanuc? it costs alot
[23:57:57] <yasnak> haha
[23:58:21] <yasnak> our new fanic c600-ai cost 257k
[23:58:50] <yasnak> thats just the machine, not even electrical, installation and initial tooling