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[00:03:58] <Jymmm> Went into Home Depot to do an exchange; the 20 something guy had to call and ask if they carry "Buck BROS" (not "Brothers") brand.
[00:04:31] <Jymmm> And it's spelled "Buck Bros." on the label.
[00:06:06] <Sync_> noice
[00:07:14] <Jymmm> "No, we dont carry that brand..." Ya think?!
[00:08:38] <Jymmm> But that's okey, I got $30 in brand new chisels for free (warranty exchange)
[00:12:44] <CaptHindsight> great Bro
[00:28:31] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: there ya go bro~
[02:23:17] <Deejay> moin
[04:47:48] <XXCoder> Jymmm: buck bros lol
[05:06:45] <pink_vampire> I need a favor from someone with machinery handbook
[05:07:20] <pink_vampire> someone can take a picture of the page that talk about E clips
[05:07:24] <XXCoder> unfortunately dont have one.
[05:08:31] <pink_vampire> I can't find the size for the groove that I need to make for 1/8" shaft, and what number of e clip I need
[05:08:55] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: thank you anyway :)
[05:09:00] <XXCoder> welcome
[05:11:08] <archivist> you know google has lots of info, first site I came to
https://www.springmasters.com/sp/e-type-circlip-rsm.html
[05:11:44] <archivist> term was e clip groove dimensions
[05:14:16] <pink_vampire> https://www.fastenal.com/content/product_specifications/RR.ECLIP.NA3.PC.STR.pdf
[05:14:41] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about this one
[05:14:42] <pink_vampire> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/1168075?term=e+clips&r=~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600135%20Retaining%20Rings%20and%20Clips%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22600137%20E-Clips%22|~%20~|sattr01:^1/8%22$|~
[05:15:19] <pink_vampire> and the previous link is the data sheet for it
[05:16:07] <pink_vampire> the groove diameter is 0.094" ?
[05:38:27] <DRGray> morning
[05:38:45] <DRGray> i just cut a circle i had set its diameter to 27mm the tool diameter was 3mm
[05:38:53] <DRGray> when cut it was 30mm
[05:39:04] <DRGray> i guess i need some sort of tool compensation?
[05:41:15] <archivist> yes
[05:41:43] <archivist> linuxcnc has it or maybe the cam program
[05:41:49] <XXCoder> definitely yes. I guess tool diameter in linuxcnc was set to 0?
[05:42:31] <archivist> you also have to know if cutting inside or outside the line
[05:43:06] <XXCoder> that'd make difference indeed
[05:53:09] <pink_vampire> DRGray: search in the gcode for g40 or g41 or g42
[05:53:33] <pink_vampire> if you have something like that it use tool compensation
[05:54:57] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: E and/or SE
https://www.rotorclip.com/retaining_rings.php
[05:58:11] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: thank you sooooo much for the like
[05:58:59] <Jymmm> np
[06:07:01] <DRGray> no in linux cnc it was set to 3
[06:07:34] <DRGray> ok ill have a look at the generated gcode first
[06:08:55] <DRGray> im guessing i want g42 turned on to cut inside my line
[06:09:23] <pink_vampire> maybe..
[06:11:22] <pink_vampire> DRGray: I have some styrofoam blocks here from packages just for testing Gcode
[06:14:05] <DRGray> good idea
[06:16:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:16:37] <XXCoder> some places you can get em
[06:17:01] <XXCoder> usually places that always get big packagesand get stuff out og rm and throw away packages
[06:17:15] <DRGray> i have some bit thick though
[06:19:10] <pink_vampire> what machine do you have?
[06:21:26] <pink_vampire> DRGray: ^
[06:22:12] <pink_vampire> there is no NEMA 17 dc motor??
[06:22:31] <pink_vampire> I get just steppers
[06:22:38] <pink_vampire> :( :( :( :(
[06:23:53] <XXCoder> I guess because theres no point on dc in nema 17 standard
[06:24:02] <DRGray> just did a test cut on cardboard
[06:24:10] <pink_vampire> pics!
[06:25:22] <pink_vampire> is there any standart for DC motors?
[06:25:42] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[06:25:49] <XXCoder> dunno
[06:30:18] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6V-60RPM-Torque-Gear-Box-Motor-New/320914868292?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35694%26meid%3D9fa2734126c349a1b4882b31570906ac%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D331682982815
[06:30:42] <pink_vampire> what do you think about something like that?
[06:30:46] <XXCoder> 60 rpm
[06:30:56] <XXCoder> dunno as you havent stated what its for?
[06:32:57] <pink_vampire> rotate 200 gram for steel arm
[06:37:44] <pink_vampire> I'm about to do the calculation for the gear system that I did.
[06:38:06] <pink_vampire> but it's a bit complicated to test it all together,
[06:38:55] <pink_vampire> it will be correct if I will test few gears each time
[06:39:07] <pink_vampire> and combine the torque??
[06:45:40] <XXCoder> not a engineer unfortunately
[06:45:56] <XXCoder> my best work was partial working guts of grandfather clock, made in lego.
[06:48:06] <archivist> noisy little motors
[07:23:10] <pink_vampire> 620 N mm
[07:23:54] <pink_vampire> 87 oz / in
[07:24:01] <pink_vampire> not that bad
[07:26:06] <miss0r|shop> my heatpump just arraived. Now I have heat/aircon/dehumidifier in my shop :D yay
[07:27:41] <pink_vampire> "The Gyro has the ability to operate at 180 revolutions per minute and apply 35 inches per pound in torque while screwdriving."
[07:27:44] <pink_vampire> WTF
[07:27:57] <pink_vampire> "apply 35 inches"
[07:28:52] <miss0r|shop> comming up short, are we?
[07:29:14] <archivist> torque is a force at a radius
[07:29:40] <pink_vampire> I know..
[07:30:47] <pink_vampire> you apply the force not the radius
[07:44:59] <pink_vampire> so accordion to the calculations and friction and all that I need about 1N/m
[07:45:22] <pink_vampire> to be on the safe side I want to go with 2N/m DC motor.
[07:47:02] <pink_vampire> other then ebay is there a place to get not expensive geared DC motor?
[07:48:06] <CaptHindsight> define expensive and what speed range, power and ratio
[07:49:31] <pink_vampire> 50-120 RPM will be fine.
[07:50:29] <CaptHindsight> maybe hobbyking
[07:50:34] <pink_vampire> and I can provide 5V, 12V, 72V
[07:50:57] <pink_vampire> backlash is not important.
[07:51:12] <CaptHindsight> anything precision and industrial will not be inexpensive
[07:51:27] <CaptHindsight> you might get lucky with a source in China
[07:51:39] <CaptHindsight> a hobby motor might work
[07:52:32] <pink_vampire> but on ebay I see aloooot of motors but I can't see any specification about torque
[07:53:41] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-24V-50mA-30RPM-8-6Kg-cm-High-Torque-Permanent-Magnetic-Gear-Reduction-Motor-/161504174247?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255
[07:53:42] <CaptHindsight> https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/247
[07:54:02] <CaptHindsight> ^^ Chinese junk sold to hobbyists from Colorado
[07:54:21] <CaptHindsight> https://www.zoro.com/dayton-miniature-dc-gearmotor-rpm-154-24-vdc-5vxu9/i/G1176226/?gdffi=047ada998cf641fa93e55ae8579df863&gdfms=C69C8D6A33C04D8C8A06F4056AEDCF9C&gclid=CLXJqc3as8sCFYMlgQodOjINfQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
[07:54:39] <CaptHindsight> ^^ Chinese motor with Dayton label
[07:55:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/400400/motors/dc-gear-motors/1.html
[07:55:30] <CaptHindsight> https://www.servocity.com/html/motors___accessories.html
[07:55:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.robotshop.com/en/gear-motors.html
[07:55:42] <pink_vampire> but all of them are 24V
[07:56:02] <gregcnc> they still work at 12V.
[07:56:08] <pink_vampire> I want to avoid anther power supply
[07:56:22] <pink_vampire> but I need them in 2N/m
[07:56:31] <CaptHindsight> time to learn some google-fu grasshopper
[07:57:00] <pink_vampire> 2N/m or 300 oz/in
[07:57:14] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: what is that?!@?
[07:57:48] <CaptHindsight> just as a suggestion, try posting all the required specs for something vs spoon feeding the channel
[07:57:51] <gregcnc> I've hone my google-fu over the years it never fails now a days
[07:58:31] <CaptHindsight> and most likely as a google search you will find all the heavenly glory
[08:00:15] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/hij9DZi.jpg
[08:00:16] <gregcnc> if you know enough about the motor you can calculate what it will do at lower voltage. typically you are just looking at a proportional reduction in speed
[08:00:36] <gregcnc> if resistance is high enough though, you may not get the torque you want
[08:01:10] <CaptHindsight> ^^ what I'd rather do than write code
[08:01:11] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: I just want to get some cute motor for 12V from the beginning..
[08:01:29] <pink_vampire> BRB
[08:01:49] <CaptHindsight> do you also have a pic of someone belt sanding their nipples?
[08:02:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/DC-Gearmotors/DC-Gearmotors/128-RPM-36-VDC-MAGNETEK-RH-GEARMOTOR-5-1423-R.axd
[08:03:04] <gregcnc> i haven't seen this at HK
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__87843__Big_Power_Mini_Metal_8_In_1_Kit_HK_US_Plug_US_Warehouse_.html
[08:03:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electrical/DC-Gearmotors/DC-Gearmotors/
[08:04:03] <CaptHindsight> it looks like it will fall over if not bolted down
[08:04:21] <gregcnc> that's ok it's not heavy enough to hurt anything
[08:04:50] <CaptHindsight> ok, who can I get to do my work for me?
[08:04:51] <archivist> your toes
[08:06:03] <Sync_> just hold it in place
[08:06:24] <_methods> right
[08:07:07] <_methods> lmgtfy
[08:07:08] <CaptHindsight> easy wall mount as well
[08:11:09] <pink_vampire> back
[08:11:48] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: LOL no!
[08:12:56] <pink_vampire> http://41.media.tumblr.com/537671095a26f127b1d5e8207454c66a/tumblr_njfw71PNz41tj1uzko1_1280.jpg
[08:14:32] <pink_vampire> http://image.trucktrend.com/f/techarticles/8935025+w799+h499+cr1+ar0/0608st_01_z+oasis_wheels_factory+girls_at_computer.jpg
[08:15:26] <jdh> "and this is what he called 6 inches"?
[08:17:25] <pink_vampire> http://www.netech.edu/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/56bb657c06d37/1_NBA%20Day%201.jpg
[08:17:40] <pink_vampire> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f49/109493d1402704907-i-hired-machinist-shes-girl-image.jpg
[08:18:33] <pink_vampire> it's funny because I operate my cnc with heels and dress few times.
[08:24:26] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/p/6BF2jmN7iK/
[08:25:03] <pink_vampire> AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[08:25:16] <pink_vampire> this is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUUUUTE!!
[08:25:26] <archivist> fugly colour!
[08:25:26] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: ^
[08:26:05] <jdh> it's funny when I operate my cnc with heels and dress
[08:26:16] <pink_vampire> archivist: it's adorable
[08:26:20] <pink_vampire> jdh: what?!
[08:26:25] <jdh> my wife doesn't ike it though
[08:26:26] <gregcnc> pink look at his profile you might like it
[08:26:43] <gregcnc> sometimes I even shower BEFORE running the cnc
[08:26:47] <pink_vampire> his?
[08:27:18] <gregcnc> yeah no shortage of brightly colored tools and art
[08:27:32] <pink_vampire> https://www.instagram.com/p/BCtTpgUN7q1/
[08:29:23] <gregcnc> decisions...decisions
https://www.instagram.com/p/88OZd2N7gg/
[08:29:59] <pink_vampire> https://www.instagram.com/p/BBxoQXnt7iP/
[08:30:40] <gregcnc> only beans that meet spec are good enough for my coffee
[08:32:37] <pink_vampire> I don't drink coffee
[08:32:45] <pink_vampire> but love tea.
[08:33:21] <gregcnc> barely acceptable alternative
[08:33:21] <pink_vampire> also biscuits
[08:34:27] <pink_vampire> I need to get a UK flag and add it to my mini shop
[08:34:43] <gregcnc> need a new machine status light?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCq1V6-LLDn/
[08:35:00] <DRGray> when you touch the work top. is that based on it being the centre point of your tool?
[08:35:14] <pink_vampire> my favorites accent is the british accent
[08:35:51] <jdh> cockney?
[08:37:06] <pink_vampire> I don't know..
[08:37:13] <gregcnc> touching off the top of the work is at the lowest extreme of the tool in a mill. If touching the sides you have to account for tool radius
[08:37:44] <pink_vampire> but I like the deep well pronounce british accent
[08:38:07] <DRGray> gregcnc: thanks
[08:39:23] <pink_vampire> DRGray: you need to set in your cam program the homing position.
[08:39:44] <pink_vampire> what is you cad and cam programs?
[08:39:47] <pink_vampire> your?
[08:40:05] <gregcnc> If using tool length offset (G43) make sure it's active when touching off and that the same coordinate system is active as the one used in the program
[08:41:08] <TMA> the av'rage bri'ish acc'n' is ha' t' follo'; they love to swallow half of the sounds :(
[08:41:10] <__rob2> any standard method to hold and not mark aluminum in a 4 jaw chuck
[08:41:20] <__rob2> if I've machined 1 half
[08:41:31] <_methods> shims
[08:41:38] <_methods> copper shims between jaw
[08:41:51] <__rob2> like wrap it round ?
[08:42:00] <__rob2> its a round peice of stock
[08:42:00] <_methods> no 4 pcs
[08:42:11] <pink_vampire> TMA: one sec
[08:43:39] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qZycn7o7Po
[08:43:40] <gregcnc> I often wrap aluminum parts with strip of paper, but steel will slip
[08:45:04] <_methods> http://glory.honour.ca/projects/indexable_dovetail_cutter/img/15Big.jpg
[08:45:06] <_methods> like that
[08:45:07] <R2E4> Morning all
[08:45:16] <R2E4> JT, you there?
[08:45:44] <pink_vampire> this guy ( the young one) have very cuuute accent.
[08:46:07] <pink_vampire> TMA: ^
[08:46:48] <_methods> here's one where they wrapped teh chuck jaws
[08:46:50] <_methods> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/07/f2/c5/07f2c5576db73907ae60bd35fb861643.jpg
[08:46:59] <lair82> www.trucktrend.com/features/0608st-oasis-wheels-factory/photo-gallery/#photo-09
[08:47:05] <R2E4> Has the 7i92 paid its dues yet?
[08:47:50] <enleth> R2E4: is your nick a Bridgeport model name?
[08:48:06] <R2E4> enleth: yes
[08:52:28] <jdh> not a few iterations past R2D2?
[08:53:09] <R2E4> Its the BOSS,,, 9 times over
[08:54:12] <DaViruz> https://www.instagram.com/p/9hSG5Yt7sY/?taken-by=lathe_rollins
[08:54:18] <gregcnc> pink_vampire
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCgOmbSBNs5/
[08:54:19] <R2E4> I dont use it anymore since I retrofitted my hitachi seiki VM40 to linuxcnc.
[08:54:20] <DaViruz> he seems to make an aweful lot of those
[08:54:26] <DaViruz> though i have no idea what it is
[08:55:09] <R2E4> Anyone here versed in mesa hardware?
[08:55:12] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: NOOO!!11
[08:56:09] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/p/BCfKg6hyvxG/
[08:56:57] <pink_vampire> this handles brake nails like crazy!!
[08:57:03] <pink_vampire> hate them!
[08:57:13] <pink_vampire> stupid design!
[08:57:33] <R2E4> The nails or the machine?
[08:57:37] <Deejay> hrhrhrhr
[08:58:02] <pink_vampire> my nails
http://i.imgur.com/Ri7wZIu.png
[08:58:13] <Deejay> claws!
[08:58:22] <pink_vampire> on cold rolled steet :)
[08:58:39] <pink_vampire> 18mm length
[08:59:12] <pink_vampire> I love long nails :) and metal working :S
[08:59:17] <R2E4> They will put a mark on you.......
[08:59:27] <pink_vampire> who?
[09:00:11] <R2E4> wont they eventually cut keyboard membrane?
[09:01:03] <pink_vampire> I type with a pen
[09:02:15] <pink_vampire> I need to find a job
[09:03:13] <DRGray> ok something new ive noticed
[09:03:21] <pink_vampire> what?
[09:03:38] <DRGray> when exporting from dxf2gcode it seems to ignore my touched workpiece and work from the 0,0 for the machine
[09:03:38] <pink_vampire> DRGray: what kind a machine is that??
[09:03:46] <DRGray> proxxon
[09:03:49] <DRGray> a mill
[09:03:53] <pink_vampire> model..
[09:03:56] <pink_vampire> mf70?
[09:04:00] <DRGray> yeah
[09:04:09] <DRGray> thats not the issue though its a gcode issue
[09:04:15] <pink_vampire> cuute little baby
[09:04:15] <gregcnc> are you calling a work offset in the program?
[09:04:37] <gregcnc> the correct offset?
[09:05:02] <pink_vampire> do you want that I will make you a test G code?
[09:05:15] <DRGray> i thought by setting the touch off , i could then run my gcode from there.
[09:05:21] <DRGray> an example would be good if poss
[09:05:31] <DRGray> im really close it cuts just not from the correct place
[09:06:54] <lair82> R2E4, pcw would be the guy to ask, if it is something pretty in depth, he's the owner of Mesa
[09:07:10] <pink_vampire> you need to jog your machine to the home position. and reset the axis.
[09:07:23] <R2E4> yeah, I know Peter.
[09:07:25] <pink_vampire> each axis!
[09:07:36] <gregcnc> if you touch off, home location doesn't matter
[09:07:42] <_methods> you need to let it know what work coordinate to use in the program
[09:07:42] <R2E4> Not really, just need to get 100+ I/o and dont know the best card combo.....
[09:07:54] <_methods> g54, g55, g56, etc
[09:07:58] <gregcnc> unless you shut down the machine
[09:08:11] <DRGray> i think its the code dxf2gcode genereates
[09:08:14] <DRGray> im looking at the gcode now
[09:08:16] <OdinYggd> On a mass produced CNC, home location tells the machine where it is. Older machines usually had to revisit the home location every time they powered on.
[09:08:17] <DRGray> it use g90
[09:08:21] <DRGray> abosolute mode
[09:08:30] <OdinYggd> G54 etc then specifies a position relative to machine home that is the part 0
[09:08:48] <R2E4> 7i92 +7i74 + 5 7i84s's
[09:09:02] <R2E4> plus a 7i77
[09:09:12] <DRGray> ok so i touch of and set it to g54
[09:09:29] <pink_vampire> yeah, it's not "the home" but you reset the axis.
[09:09:33] <DRGray> thing is in the gcode it enerates it does moves like g0 x 15.136
[09:09:40] <DRGray> will that take g54 into account
[09:09:41] <DRGray> ?
[09:10:15] <gregcnc> G54 is the work offset it sets the origin for any code following
[09:10:54] <DRGray> ok so i think i just need to call g54 before my code
[09:10:59] <OdinYggd> usually I use an edgefinder to pick up a corner of the part, enter this coordinate into G54 in the contorl. When the program starts and G54 executes, it sets G54 as part zero and executes the rest of the program relative to that part zero unless other gcodes are used to change it
[09:11:00] <_methods> understanding cutter compensation and work coordinate offset systems are typically the most difficult concepts to grasp in cnc machining
[09:11:11] <OdinYggd> Usually your part offset is in the first few lines of code
[09:11:17] <DRGray> ok well i thin i get cutter comp
[09:11:24] <Simonious> I've kinda got work coordinate offset, what is cutter compensation?
[09:11:53] <OdinYggd> It allows the CNC to offset the tool to compensate for its dimensions
[09:12:10] <OdinYggd> that way the program specifies the boundaries of the part, and the CNC calculates the actual path the tool takes to produce it
[09:12:12] <Simonious> oh.. right
[09:12:18] <R2E4> Another question: Do I need to write code if my Y axis needs to move during a toolchange?
[09:12:19] <OdinYggd> Like so if the tool breaks you can change it without needing to rewrite the whole program
[09:12:24] <pink_vampire> you have 2 sets of coordinates in the cnc controller the actual position, and the relative position. you need to set the relative to your stating position of the part.
[09:12:29] <Simonious> that one in particular is why CNCing is harder than 3d printing IMO
[09:12:48] <OdinYggd> Its confusing. I've made parts without tool comp as well.
[09:13:04] <OdinYggd> Had a situation where the tool comp would cause a crash, so I rewrote the program to specify tool centerline and ran it without offset
[09:13:12] <pcw_home> 5 7I84s might be overkill (thats 240 I/O, 160 inputs and 80 outputs)
[09:13:22] <OdinYggd> But when running without tool comp, if the tool breaks or wears down you have to rewrite the program to compensate
[09:13:24] <gregcnc> there are many ways to use work offsets and radius comp
[09:13:34] <R2E4> pcw: I need the outputs
[09:13:45] <pcw_home> well 288 I/O including whats on the 7I77
[09:14:22] <_methods> work coordinate offsets basically let you set multiple "homes" based on where your work piece is located
[09:14:26] <R2E4> I need 87 outputs
[09:14:34] <pcw_home> 2 7I71s/ 7I72s will give you 96 outputs
[09:14:57] <_methods> so if you had 4 vises on your table you could set 1 vise as g54 another as g55 etc, etc
[09:15:24] <lair82> Hey pcw_home, was waiting for you to show up, still having RT faults with my 7i80 that you have been helping on. I just looked, and the 7i80.0.read.tmax value said 8,438,476
[09:15:59] <R2E4> yeah, thats what IO'm talking about...... Is there a card with just inputs?
[09:16:17] <lair82> with no faults, just sitting there there the 7i80.0.read.time is staying around 850,000
[09:16:22] <pcw_home> 7I70
[09:16:24] <R2E4> AH 7i66
[09:16:39] <R2E4> ok
[09:17:24] <DRGray> cant change the cordinate system with cutter comenpsation on?
[09:17:30] <R2E4> They will work with the 7i74 connected to 7i92?
[09:17:55] <_methods> sure you can change WCS (work coordinate system) at any time
[09:18:06] <lair82> R2E4, all of my machines are around 50-60 inputs and between 30-70 outputs, and all of them are setup with either a 5i23 or 7i80, a 7i44, a 7i49, and multiples of the 7i70's and 7i71's, and works great, and makes for a nice clean install.
[09:18:34] <DRGray> it keeps throughing that error up
[09:18:42] <_methods> what error?
[09:19:09] <R2E4> lair82: yes.... I just want to make sure they will work with a 7i92
[09:19:23] <DRGray> http://www.tormach.com/g54_g59_g59p.html
[09:19:26] <enleth> R2E4: you need that many for this Bridgeport?
[09:19:28] <DRGray> It is an error if one of these G-codes is used while cutter radius compensation is on.
[09:19:30] <gregcnc> It is an error if:
[09:19:30] <gregcnc> selecting a coordinate system is used while cutter compensation is on.
[09:19:30] <gregcnc> It is an error if:
[09:19:30] <gregcnc> selecting a coordinate system is used while cutter compensation is on.
[09:19:30] <gregcnc> correct, you can't while radius comp is active
[09:19:36] <gregcnc> oops
[09:19:44] <lair82> R2E4,
http://postimg.org/image/6u1oyorb9/
[09:19:52] <R2E4> enleth: no, looking to retrofit a Biesse rover 346
[09:19:57] <_methods> hmm well maybe you can't
[09:20:07] <gregcnc> the machine couldn't know which side of the part it's on if you change work offset
[09:20:08] <pcw_home> All sserial devices are pretty much the same, theres no card specific code in the driver so if one is supported, all are supported
[09:20:21] <DRGray> ok so i guess i have to turn compensation off and just make my cut - radius
[09:20:26] <_methods> just cancel cutter comp before you change WCS then
[09:20:50] <DRGray> yes i just need to make sure i take the radius of the end mill into account in my design?
[09:21:16] <lair82> How would you connect the 7i70/7i71 to the 7i92??
[09:21:39] <R2E4> lair82: rs-422 port
[09:22:11] <R2E4> via 7i74
[09:22:18] <enleth> R2E4: that's one weirdo router. huge too
[09:22:31] <lair82> Aaah, I see
[09:23:06] <pcw_home> lair82: thats about 2.5 ms. maybe hardware or kernel related
[09:23:07] <pcw_home> If this is the H97 MB I would make sure that all power management stuff/fan control is off in the BIOS
[09:23:09] <pcw_home> and beware of add ons like WIFI some brands are troublesome
[09:23:13] <enleth> I'm not really into routers/plotters but I've never seen one configured like that, with both X and Y overhanging
[09:23:13] <R2E4> enleth, has three toolchange spindles, and 31 drill, with 4 horizontal boring
[09:23:25] <R2E4> all on the Z axis
[09:24:13] <enleth> R2E4: that's a furniture making machine, right?
[09:24:44] <R2E4> It was designed for cabinet making/furniture making
[09:25:37] <R2E4> I built a 4X4 router, but need 4X10 capability......
[09:25:49] <R2E4> and speed
[09:26:07] <enleth> ok, this spindle configuration explains the need for so many outputs
[09:26:59] <R2E4> vacuum and pneumatic takes up 40I/O
[09:27:56] <lair82> I've already went through the bios, everything is off, you gave me the most current kernel a month or so ago, and I built that, the wifi card is a rosewill rnx-n150pce, which was the atheros chipset I believe.
[09:28:28] <lair82> I guess I pull the wifi card, and see how it runs???
[09:29:50] <DRGray> ah i think ive been an idiot
[09:30:04] <DRGray> hah i think you cant have cutter comp turned on.. but that wasnt my issue
[09:30:07] <DRGray> just as side issue
[09:30:58] <DRGray> had got some of my diemensions wrog
[09:31:00] <DRGray> wrong
[09:31:52] <lair82> pcw_home does it matter if I use a shielded patch cable between the MB and the 7i80, I made a new one, out of plain cat5, as short as possible, 14" exactly
[09:32:08] <pcw_home> No
[09:32:28] <R2E4> 1 7i92, 1-7i77, 1-7i74, 2-7i70, 2-7i71or7i72.... 753.00 of pure joy!!!!
[09:32:53] <lair82> Ok, I didn't know if that would help with any interference issues
[09:33:46] <R2E4> lair82: sure those panduits are big enough for all those I/O's?
[09:34:07] <lair82> There full now :)
[09:34:32] <lair82> That was right after I hung that backplane in the cabinet
[09:34:54] <R2E4> What are those 1.5"
[09:35:10] <R2E4> I used 2" and I can barely get the cover on
[09:35:12] <pcw_home> I'd try without the WIFI first
[09:35:27] <R2E4> With just 1 7i77 and one 7i84
[09:36:19] <lair82> 2"x2" for the horizontals, and 3.5"x3.5' for the verticals
[09:36:41] <R2E4> oh, it looks smaller in the pic
[09:39:53] <_methods> hey that's trumps line
[09:40:16] <pcw_home> lair82: if you have a noise on Ethernet error you will get:
[09:40:17] <pcw_home> hm2_eth: enqueue_read ERROR: blah blah blah
[09:40:19] <pcw_home> hm2/hm2_7i80.0: error finishing read! blah blah blah
[09:40:20] <pcw_home> not just a real time or sserial error
[09:40:47] <lair82> pcw_home, does the .read.tmax value reset itself when you re-start linuxcnc?
[09:40:59] <pcw_home> yes
[09:41:23] <lair82> Ok, I was always wondering about that, thats why I went with all shielded patch cables
[09:41:28] <pcw_home> you can also setp it back to 0
[09:41:59] <lair82> Ok, I will go pull the wifi card, and re-start the control and then monitor the values
[09:42:38] <lair82> I really don't want to have to pull a cable to that machine, but if that is what it comes down to I guess.
[09:43:30] <lair82> So, "halcmd setp hm2.7i80.read.tmax 0"
[09:43:30] <R2E4> The tool_change_position: is that machine coords?
[09:44:05] <pcw_home> yes that (halcmd) will work
[09:45:20] <lair82> ok, cool, thanks pcw, gonna go see if I can't clear this up finally.
[09:46:04] <lair82> R2E4, I do believe that value is in G53 ABS machine position
[09:46:19] <maxcnc> hi from sunny germany
[09:47:02] <R2E4> I dont know how they did the toolchange on this machine. The toolchange position is past the limit switch.
[09:48:09] <maxcnc> some controles ignore limit at toolchange
[09:48:24] <lair82> You could do some ladder programming to interfere with that signal, to disregard the input during a toolchange sequence
[09:49:07] <maxcnc> all wood mashine got the tool changed off the workarea
[09:49:30] <R2E4> This is not a wood machine. It is a big VMC hitachi seiki VM40
[09:50:03] <maxcnc> is there a sinumerik on
[09:50:25] <R2E4> I will look into installing a emergency limit switch that will remove power from drive before I ignore the limit switch.
[09:51:48] <Sync_> well, if you have a drive fault an emergency limit switch will not prevent damage
[09:52:14] <Sync_> as usually it crashes with too much speed to stop in time
[09:53:29] <maxcnc> if you use Mesa boards you got enoph options to get 2 limitswitches
[09:53:45] <maxcnc> take one out at tool change and the other in
[09:53:54] <maxcnc> and at tool finish do a reverse
[09:54:30] <maxcnc> as easy as it is at mcode setting relais
[09:55:40] <maxcnc> do it logical first set the outer switch on then cut of power to the inner one so signal is never lost
[09:55:50] <maxcnc> and reverse the one the same
[09:56:24] <maxcnc> only 2 user mcodes take action no need of ladder logic to interfear the system
[09:58:04] <lair82> pcw_home I removed the wifi card, and it still running around 850000 on average, the max was around 930000 so far, after completely re-starting the pc,
[09:58:29] <enleth> Sync_: I tested that on my mill, full speed run over a limit switch stops it reliably no less than 0.5mm away from a mechanical crash
[09:58:47] <enleth> Sync_: but it does have brakes that are normally closed
[10:00:00] <maxcnc> lair82: thats in ns latency
[10:00:01] <enleth> it's not a terribly fast machine though
[10:00:46] <maxcnc> i now got a supplyer for HP thin clients the 5730 is the fastest mashine ive seen
[10:00:51] <pcw_home> Thats quite high, I get around 1/3 of that ( those are not nS but CPU clocks)
[10:01:08] <maxcnc> on 16GB USB stick it workes at less then 6000ns latency for hourers
[10:01:27] <maxcnc> 5720 got parport inside
[10:01:35] <Sync_> yeah enleth, brakes are an option
[10:03:26] <maxcnc> ok till later
[10:04:04] <lair82> What else would you think?
[10:05:57] <pcw_home> maybe something different/wrong with kernel
[10:06:09] <R2E4> maxcnc: disable the input for the limit sw and enable the outer one then reverse?
[10:06:22] <pcw_home> if you ping the 7I80, what times do you get?
[10:06:38] <lair82> Let me go check
[10:07:33] <lair82> how would I ping that, with mesaflash?
[10:09:07] <R2E4> I could just wire the outer switch in series with the inner, the during toolchange energize a relay and put the contact in parallel with the inner switch. When it finishes the tool change, de-energize the relay.
[10:09:39] <pcw_home> stop linuxcnc
[10:09:41] <pcw_home> then type
[10:09:42] <pcw_home> ping 10.10.10.10
[10:09:44] <pcw_home> in a terminal
[10:12:20] <enleth> R2E4: that sounds like the safest approach
[10:13:46] <R2E4> How would I change the software limits during the toolchange?
[10:22:23] <R2E4> If I dont override the soft limits, Linuxcnc will complain the move is outside the limits.
[10:27:41] <CaptHindsight> lair82: what motherboard/cpu is in this pic?
http://postimg.org/image/6u1oyorb9/
[10:28:10] <CaptHindsight> nevermind I can see the model when I zoom in
[10:31:51] <lair82> pcw_home, here is a shot of the times,
https://app.box.com/s/s3jksazcephowa0gpo7ey6z5q2ujxygn
[10:32:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7RB38X6079 all-in-one for $165 also says it has a LPT port
[10:33:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7KW2TJ0426 $170 with 17" LCD and LPT
[10:34:02] <pcw_home> You need to ping 10.10.10.10 (10.10.10.1 is the local MAC )
[10:35:22] <R2E4> The're still selling win XP?
[10:38:34] <lair82> pcw_home,
https://app.box.com/s/h61frzxlz206lbcx4ov6dek8xfz0979w
[10:38:52] <lair82> I'm still using XP
[10:40:12] <Jymmm> Who's selling XP ?
[10:40:52] <R2E4> newegg
[10:40:59] <Jymmm> link?
[10:41:14] <pcw_home> if this is the local intel mac you need to:
[10:41:15] <pcw_home> sudo ethtool -C ethX rx-usecs 0
[10:41:58] <lair82> CaptHindsight, It has this for the CPU,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117374
[10:42:09] <pcw_home> "X" depends on your network setup
[10:42:20] <tiwake> anyone around here living in texas?
[10:42:25] <R2E4> selling it with the box
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7RB38X6079
[10:44:07] <Jymmm> Hmmm, says Win7 on that link, not XP.
[10:45:33] <Jymmm> tiwake: Why would anyone do something so dumb as live in texas? ;)
[10:45:44] <tiwake> heh
[10:46:04] <tiwake> gonna move there, was asking around
[10:46:21] <Jymmm> Oh, let me guess. Austin area?
[10:46:25] <tiwake> not sure where though
[10:46:30] <tiwake> uh, donno
[10:46:50] <tiwake> the only thing I see that auston has going for it is google fiber internet... heh
[10:47:07] <Jymmm> So, you moving to the 2nd largest state, but nfc where. any idea WHY?
[10:47:25] <tiwake> because why not
[10:47:40] <Jymmm> Cause it's Texas, that's why!
[10:47:44] <tiwake> lived in montana and oregon for a number of years each
[10:48:17] <tiwake> I think its time to try texas out
[10:48:41] <Jymmm> better you than me =)
[10:48:46] <tiwake> heh
[10:49:28] <tiwake> I don't mind climate, for the most part... as far as I'm concerned its a non-issue
[10:50:05] <tiwake> though you are right, texas is rather huge, and some parts are worse than others
[10:51:36] <lair82> pcw_home, here are the updated times after running that command,
https://app.box.com/s/nw0ygck7c9n1z9mkw1nqcfg4nonn87ki https://app.box.com/s/lyhj599hx269fhs1vg5cd2pcjk18bmdu
[10:53:12] <Jymmm> tiwake: You can go hunting with Ted Nugent
[10:53:31] <tiwake> is that a type of gun?
[10:54:09] <Jymmm> tiwake:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent
[10:54:28] <R2E4> Jymmm:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7KW2TJ0426
[10:55:47] <Jymmm> R2E4: "Sold and Shipped by: Corner Stone Tech" and I doubt that comes with physical media =)
[10:56:38] <pink_vampire> my hand is sooooooo soft.
[10:57:35] <pink_vampire> I can't even imagine it with cutting oil and chips
[10:58:11] <pink_vampire> why I'm doing that to myself?
[10:58:31] <lair82> you ok pink_vampire?
[10:58:52] <pink_vampire> lair82: what do you mean?
[10:59:56] <pink_vampire> lair82: simple, I like long nails ans soft hands, and metal working.
[11:00:17] <R2E4> pink_vampire: those two dont mix
[11:00:21] <lair82> Aaaah,
[11:01:11] <lair82> I was wondering, and you finally cleared it up for me. I was wondering if there was finally a female on this list.
[11:01:45] <pink_vampire> the sharp end mills damage my hands skin, and because the nails I can't do anything.
[11:02:09] <archivist> lair82, we have at least two
[11:02:28] <jdh> is gender relevant in irc?
[11:02:34] <pink_vampire> lair82: yes, I'm a female, and I have the G0704.
[11:02:46] <_methods> "she" never said "she" was a female, just that "I like long nails ans soft hands, and metal working"
[11:02:47] <jdh> me too!
[11:02:53] <_methods> could be a dude for all we know
[11:02:58] <jdh> other than the female part
[11:03:33] <_methods> or nowadays "identifies" as a female
[11:04:08] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/wWPij14.png
[11:04:18] <Jymmm> _methods: YOU are woman, we hear you roar!
[11:04:24] <_methods> hahah
[11:04:32] <pink_vampire> lair82: ^
[11:04:35] <_methods> Jymmm has identified as male for a long time
[11:04:39] <_methods> even though he is not
[11:04:48] <_methods> hahah
[11:04:52] <Jymmm> _methods: you would know, huh?
[11:05:09] <_methods> i kid, i kid
[11:05:19] <R2E4> Remove those hearts from around that mill. That's sacrilegious
[11:05:20] <_methods> you're so sensitive Jymmm
[11:05:28] <_methods> typical woman
[11:05:34] <_methods> i mean man
[11:06:24] <pink_vampire> so I'm now welcome anymore?
[11:06:31] <lair82> jdh, no it's not relevant, I just always wondered if this always just a bunch of guys around here. I like long nails, soft hands, and metal working as well,
[11:06:34] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: You gonna let _methods talk smack like that about your gender?
[11:06:36] <pink_vampire> it's men only here?
[11:06:36] <R2E4> Will a 7i92 drive a G540 directly like the 5i25? And is there a firmware flash for it?
[11:07:05] <lair82> You are always welcome pink_vampire
[11:07:28] * Jymmm thinks lair82 has a nail fetish =)
[11:07:35] <_methods> http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2016/03/09/united-confirms-10-abreast-seating-some-its-777s/81519220/
[11:07:41] <_methods> that will make for some fun flights
[11:08:18] <R2E4> seating next to 10 breasts is apealing....
[11:08:24] <_methods> like i said
[11:08:26] <_methods> fun flights
[11:08:27] <FinboySlick> pink_vampire: It's not male only, we just happen to all be handsome.
[11:08:29] <pink_vampire> nail fetish...
[11:08:37] <Jymmm> _methods: Excuse me, pardon me, pardon me, excuse me, pardon, Excuse me, pardon me, pardon me, excuse me, pardon, Excuse me, pardon me, pardon me, excuse me, pardon,
[11:08:57] <_methods> don't call me surely
[11:09:17] <Jymmm> _methods: Ok... BIRTHA
[11:09:17] <lair82> Very Handsome ;)
[11:09:17] <gregcnc> so they're changing from 2-5-2 to 3-4-3 why?
[11:09:32] <gregcnc> oh math fail
[11:09:47] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about 3D printer.
[11:09:53] <_methods> wrong channel
[11:10:05] <_methods> think about that in #reprap
[11:10:15] <CaptHindsight> they should put toilets right into the seats or require the use of diapers
[11:10:17] <Jymmm> glorified glue gun, ok NOW your not welcome! lol
[11:10:20] <pink_vampire> but I love metal chips.
[11:10:24] <lair82> that was quick _methods
[11:10:28] <_methods> hahah
[11:10:55] <Jymmm> lair82: Yeah he's a glue head!
[11:11:04] <_methods> ouch
[11:11:05] <jdh> pink: what motors on the mill?
[11:11:06] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Interesting statement.
[11:11:34] <CaptHindsight> then they could fit 11 across
[11:11:35] <_methods> eventually they'll just slick the flights out and you'll all just sit on the floor butts to nuts
[11:11:54] <Jymmm> _methods: TMI
[11:12:17] <CaptHindsight> "In business class, United will replace the recliner seats now on the domestic 777s with flatbed seats."
[11:12:31] <CaptHindsight> what are the flatbed seats? cots?
[11:12:42] <CaptHindsight> wooden benches?
[11:12:48] <pink_vampire> I have NEMA 34 1025 oz/in DC servo 72 volt with G320X
[11:13:02] <pink_vampire> jdh: ^
[11:13:14] <_methods> c-130 slick you'l have to ramp blast into your destination no landings lol
[11:13:27] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Business Class seat
http://cdn.instructables.com/FVR/6V88/HPYORDH7/FVR6V88HPYORDH7.RECT2100.jpg
[11:13:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2016/03/07/united-ceo-returns-just-two-months-after-heart-transplant/81428384/ transplant or insertion?
[11:14:08] <pcw_home> R2E4: yes the 7I92 has all the same firmware available as the 5i25
[11:14:30] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0CO932qn3w
[11:14:34] <lair82> WTF _methods, butt to nut, really, and I thought us hillbillies up here only said shit like that.
[11:14:44] <gregcnc> http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/airbus202.jpg
[11:14:50] <_methods> sorry army term for seating in slicked aircraft
[11:14:54] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: so places for your laptop and tablet
[11:15:05] <jdh> gecko is step/dir servo?
[11:15:28] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: and easily un/loaded via forklift
[11:15:33] <_methods> they take all the seats out so they can fit as many people in as possible
[11:15:34] <R2E4> was thinking of using just a 7i92, but I think I will go with 7i92 and a 7i76.
[11:15:40] <pink_vampire> jdh: yes,
[11:15:46] <R2E4> mach3 has wasted four pieces today on my router......
[11:16:04] <R2E4> Time to move to LCNC on the router.
[11:16:25] <pink_vampire> you can see the panel
http://i.imgur.com/fxZ6Fn0.png
[11:16:32] <R2E4> M3 trajectory planner is hosed. IT does what it wants from time to time.....
[11:16:57] <pink_vampire> jdh:
http://i.imgur.com/MQwIJdQ.png
[11:17:13] <pink_vampire> final design
http://i.imgur.com/zopeOzP.png
[11:17:37] <jdh> professional quality axis labels
[11:18:00] <pink_vampire> I design them
[11:18:15] <pink_vampire> all the hardware in the panel ABB
[11:18:46] <pink_vampire> the shit that you saw in the first pic was just for testing.
[11:19:54] <pink_vampire> jdh: do you mean to the stickers? or the labels on the front panel
[11:20:21] <pink_vampire> the stickers it's shit for testing,
[11:21:33] <pink_vampire> this is going to be brushed aluminum
http://i.imgur.com/XBxIxay.png
[11:22:34] <pink_vampire> R2E4: what do you mean by "wasted four pieces"
[11:22:46] <pink_vampire> what happen to mach3?
[11:23:44] <pink_vampire> all of you gone?
[11:27:22] <lair82> pcw_home, I realized that when I plugged that wireless card back in, it reset whatever that command is that you had me run, and when I shut down and re-started the pc, that also resets that command. Both instances I had to re-run that command to get the numbers back down.'
[11:28:55] <pink_vampire> lair82: what kind a machine is that?
[11:39:33] <lair82> pink_vampire,
https://app.box.com/s/tcvfca7acj95cjm3jdfgmuoedca57fm0
[11:40:26] <pcw_home> lair82: I dont think this ( ethtool driver setup) is the main issue. I would still run a day without the wireless card and see if that makes a difference
[11:40:48] <pink_vampire> 200MEGA!
[11:41:38] <pcw_home> lair82: also I believe mozmck has a slick way to automate the driver tweak
[11:44:49] <pink_vampire> it's start on 500K now the download on 100K
[11:44:52] <pink_vampire> WTF
[11:46:55] <Simonious> grr.. everything looks defined, but the sketch is claiming it isn't fully defined.
[11:47:41] <pink_vampire> try to move the blue parts (solidworks)
[11:47:58] <Simonious> I know.. there aren't any, like I said, it looks fully defined.. searching
[11:48:02] <pink_vampire> and you can also make it fix
[11:48:07] <Simonious> that is cheating
[11:48:10] <Simonious> I have never done that
[11:48:42] <Simonious> got it
[11:49:09] <pink_vampire> it's lock to the center point?
[11:49:11] <Simonious> one segment had one degree of freedom, but was overlayed with other construction lines, so it was hidden
[11:49:52] <pink_vampire> what did you make?
[11:50:23] <Simonious> I'm still working on variations of this:
https://goo.gl/photos/fq7ueR2GWQBMpwmD7
[11:50:41] <Simonious> This version has a few more holes and up to five marbles per player rather than 4
[11:54:04] <pink_vampire> lair82: I see the video now
[11:54:54] <pink_vampire> the interface is linuxcnc?
[11:55:32] <Simonious> yes
[11:56:08] <pink_vampire> how it's black and nice design?
[11:57:40] <Simonious> I don't understand the question.
[12:00:38] <pink_vampire> the interface in the video
[12:01:16] <Simonious> ah ha, you aren't talking to me :P
[12:02:41] <pink_vampire> this
http://i.imgur.com/KKxM90O.png
[12:03:17] <Simonious> yup, not me
[12:03:38] <pink_vampire> I can see in the path of the file "linuxcnc"
[12:08:16] <R2E4> pink_vampire: it scrapped 4 piece3s I am cutting.
[12:08:52] <pink_vampire> but what happened?
[12:09:22] <pink_vampire> R2E4: ^
[12:10:49] <R2E4> The trajectory planner decided to cut two corners instead of making it square, they are now rounded. Cut 33 pieces perfect then it did this.
[12:10:58] <R2E4> did it a few more times.
[12:12:10] <pink_vampire> are sure there is no change in the gcode?
[12:12:32] <pink_vampire> R2E4:
[12:12:38] <R2E4> I am cutting 300 of them. I dont change the GCode
[12:13:01] <pink_vampire> I mean by mistake..
[12:13:07] <R2E4> It did it at a different place last order.
[12:13:19] <R2E4> no, the next piece is ok
[12:13:54] <R2E4> lair82: what cam you using?
[12:13:59] <pink_vampire> it's a long file?
[12:14:10] <R2E4> no its not a long file.
[12:15:00] <pink_vampire> maybe realtime problem?
[12:17:25] <R2E4> there is no realtime in windows
[12:17:36] <maxcnc> hi
[12:17:50] <lair82> It is linuxcnc, and it is using Gmoccapy as the front end, using the XFce-dusk theme.
[12:18:17] <R2E4> Its a known issue with mach3, trajectory planner is hosed
[12:18:30] <R2E4> lair82: what are you using to generate gcode?
[12:18:38] <lair82> R2E4, we are using VisualMill by Mecsoft
[12:18:58] <maxcnc> tats cool
[12:19:06] <lair82> that program on that part was over 150K lines of code
[12:19:14] <maxcnc> its still inside Rhino 2016
[12:19:20] <OdinYggd> !
[12:19:33] <OdinYggd> Another rhino user! What's new in 2016 vs what Rhino had in 2004
[12:19:43] <maxcnc> lair82: rhino makes alot of gcode lines on arc
[12:20:00] <lair82> The finishing program for that part was almost 200k
[12:20:26] <maxcnc> OdinYggd: the 4th axis support is quite better
[12:20:36] <R2E4> that seems like alot for that program
[12:20:59] <OdinYggd> Quite a bit better- because the version I have doesn't have 4axis at all
[12:21:17] <maxcnc> oh it got inside since rhino4
[12:21:25] <R2E4> whats your step down on the pocket?
[12:21:29] <OdinYggd> I'm still on Rhino3
[12:21:40] <maxcnc> rhino 3 dident match up on this
[12:22:13] <pink_vampire> how it's compered to hsm works?
[12:22:39] <R2E4> hsm is cool. I use it in inventor
[12:22:50] <OdinYggd> HSM is the bane of my DNC system
[12:22:50] <R2E4> hsmworks is for Solidworks I think
[12:23:00] <pink_vampire> I'm with hsm express on my solidworks
[12:23:02] <maxcnc> lair82: did you improve the arc precision to 1 then you get 4gcode qaders max
[12:23:07] <OdinYggd> Fusion likes to use a denser pointcloud than the DNC has bandwidth to transfer to the machine
[12:23:17] <maxcnc> some use 0,01 then you get 100 lines per arc
[12:23:20] <OdinYggd> 115200 bps rs232 isn't fast enough
[12:23:28] <pink_vampire> but I want to start doing some 3d machining
[12:23:36] <pink_vampire> maybe even 4th axis
[12:23:48] <lair82> I believe it was a max of like .030 steps deep, .060 step over for the roughing, then .003 step over for the finishing
[12:24:04] <R2E4> I need a 4th axis for my vmc but they are way too expensive
[12:24:13] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: check Deskproto
[12:24:35] <R2E4> what steel is that?
[12:24:47] <maxcnc> the HAAS mashines got 4th axis ready all delivered
[12:24:53] <OdinYggd> Usually
[12:25:19] <maxcnc> the VF series also got the servo driver mounted
[12:25:21] <OdinYggd> they leave the factory with a 4th axis servo card already present and configured
[12:25:32] <OdinYggd> Just plug in the axis unit you want to use with it
[12:25:37] <pink_vampire> i need to move from mach3 to linux first
[12:25:40] <OdinYggd> Some machines have a 5th axis card present as well
[12:25:47] <maxcnc> agree yust hit the estop get the par in plase and feel free
[12:25:55] <OdinYggd> Also mind the paint color.
[12:26:09] <OdinYggd> White-painted Haas machines are not compatible with black-painted 4th and 5 axis units
[12:26:12] <maxcnc> has been that easy to generate lots of monex
[12:26:19] <OdinYggd> The difference is that the white-cased machines have brushless servos in them
[12:26:37] <OdinYggd> while the black cased units have brushed servos
[12:26:40] <pink_vampire> I'm using the probe a-lot
[12:26:43] <OdinYggd> The adapter between them costs $3000
[12:27:15] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: on plasma countless a day
[12:27:21] <pink_vampire> linuxcnc support probing for edge finding? and centering?
[12:27:37] <cradek> of course!
[12:27:38] <R2E4> pink_vampire: yes
[12:28:32] <pink_vampire> in about april I will get the rest of the parts.
[12:28:56] <pink_vampire> and then I will be able to move it again
[12:28:56] <maxcnc> long time to dream about
[12:29:06] <pink_vampire> about 3 weeks..
[12:29:17] <R2E4> freemill for inventor...... yoohoo, Ima going to try that.
[12:29:45] <maxcnc> freemill is free soft
[12:29:54] <maxcnc> it even runs on ubuntu
[12:30:16] <pink_vampire> how I can get the nice interface for linuxcnc?
[12:30:35] <maxcnc> in the ini
[12:30:49] <R2E4> pink_vampire: gmocappy, you can have all pink buttons and stuff....
[12:31:26] <maxcnc> i heard alot on this i might google a picture on that i stay on axis
[12:31:41] <lair82> pink_vampire it is using Gmoccapy as the front end, using the XFce-dusk theme
[12:31:44] <maxcnc> looks pro not like mach color fancy
[12:32:01] <pink_vampire> there is a version that already look nice?
[12:32:21] <pink_vampire> I like stuff that look pro.
[12:33:00] <pink_vampire> hello kitty cnc !
[12:33:26] <maxcnc> for people with less cnc expirience its quite overloaded the gui
[12:34:04] <maxcnc> but young girls <30 may love this on 3D milling
[12:34:24] <maxcnc> there are more then 100 cnc mashinists missing here
[12:34:41] <pink_vampire> also I have some brains in mach3.
[12:34:42] <maxcnc> more mashines then people to work on them
[12:35:01] <pink_vampire> is there something like that in linuxcnc?
[12:35:30] <maxcnc> lcnc can do whatever you can think about
[12:35:37] <pink_vampire> I need to know if any of the motors move,
[12:35:43] <maxcnc> on cnc stuf joint control
[12:36:13] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: dro tels you
[12:36:37] <pink_vampire> I need it as a logic pin in the lpt.
[12:36:50] <maxcnc> if closed loop lots of erros will spam you if not
[12:36:50] <pink_vampire> I have dual LPT C10 LOVE them
[12:37:55] <pink_vampire> if one or more motor is move, pin X 1 logic.
[12:38:07] <pink_vampire> else pin X 0 logic
[12:38:28] <pink_vampire> is there a way to do something like that in linuxcnc?
[12:38:30] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: you wil love the halpins
[12:38:31] <maxcnc> get you a hb04
[12:38:31] <maxcnc> and the fun doubles
[12:38:57] <maxcnc> toggle
[12:39:12] <maxcnc> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/
[12:39:22] <maxcnc> lots of things to work with
[12:39:43] <pink_vampire> I heve lenovo wireless keyboard
[12:40:10] <maxcnc> RT does not like wirerless
[12:40:21] <maxcnc> best to go pro wirered
[12:40:23] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/RXNRYtX.png
[12:40:45] <R2E4> nails again....
[12:41:02] <pink_vampire> why you need realtime for keyboard???
[12:41:07] <pink_vampire> yes..
[12:41:11] <pink_vampire> short..
[12:41:31] <R2E4> you could trim them with a cool profile with your mill....
[12:41:33] <pink_vampire> now they triple the length :)
[12:41:48] <pink_vampire> R2E4: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:41:59] <pink_vampire> I grow them about a year!
[12:42:40] <pink_vampire> R2E4: ^
[12:44:25] <R2E4> Those are real? my daughter glues hers on.
[12:45:56] <pink_vampire> my is natural real nails.
[12:46:40] <lair82> Those don't look like metal working hands to me.
[12:47:06] <FinboySlick> pink_vampire: Note that the guy with the nail fetish was first to answer.
[12:47:26] <lair82> hahahahahahahahaha
[12:47:32] <lair82> real funny
[12:48:16] <lair82> I just give credit, when credit is due
[12:48:28] <pink_vampire> I have no problem with nail fetish..
[12:48:42] <FinboySlick> I just like to start memes.
[12:48:58] <pink_vampire> hehe
[12:49:15] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[12:49:36] <FinboySlick> Speaking of memes, here is Latheless Pete.
[12:49:44] <R2E4> Hiya Pete
[12:49:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh kiss my ass
[12:49:47] <pink_vampire> anyway if you look closely you will see some marks and scars..
[12:49:53] <PetefromTn_> not you R2
[12:49:54] <R2E4> Howz the move going?
[12:49:58] <pink_vampire> FinboySlick: ^
[12:50:02] <PetefromTn_> well its goin
[12:50:14] <PetefromTn_> marks and scars?
[12:50:28] <PetefromTn_> does not sound good
[12:50:35] <lair82> And at least around my neck of the woods you don't see too many women in the metal trades at all!!
[12:50:37] <pink_vampire> yes. on my hands
[12:50:46] <PetefromTn_> what happened?
[12:51:11] <pink_vampire> anything leave marks on my hands
[12:51:40] <PetefromTn_> I managed to pickup a large thick piece of angle iron and a large square tube to space out and support this electronics cabinet this morning
[12:51:55] <pink_vampire> FinboySlick: I found anther community
[12:52:09] <pink_vampire> http://netnails.com/
[12:52:16] <_methods> PetefromTn_: how'd you end up lowering the enclosure?
[12:52:28] <FinboySlick> pink_vampire: I'll let lair82 click on that first.
[12:52:37] <PetefromTn_> creepy :D
[12:52:47] <pink_vampire> http://nailbytes1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1004
[12:52:49] <pink_vampire> OMG
[12:52:52] <lair82> its creepy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:53:08] <PetefromTn_> _methods well I am having to move a bunch of the wiring to new locations from the top right side to lower on that side
[12:53:27] <pink_vampire> the post is hilarious.
[12:53:41] <pink_vampire> you let her stay home and you work two jobs!!!!!!!!!!! lol
[12:53:46] <pink_vampire> true!
[12:53:51] <PetefromTn_> please tell me you are not gonna grow your nails all freakish long like that.. ;)
[12:54:25] <pink_vampire> my record is 22 mm
[12:54:49] <pink_vampire> and I'm trying to go a bit more then that.
[12:55:00] <pink_vampire> * You buy your new car based on "nail-friendly" doors
[12:55:12] <pink_vampire> sooo true!
[12:55:26] <PetefromTn_> I chew the hell outta mine ;)
[12:55:38] <pink_vampire> you read the post?
[12:55:45] <PetefromTn_> nah
[12:55:58] <PetefromTn_> what brought this on in here LOL I am afraid to ask
[12:56:18] <pink_vampire> you carry needle-nose pliers in your purse to grasp your credit card at the "pay first" gas station
[12:56:22] <pink_vampire> true!
[12:56:28] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: It was suggested that lair82 has a nail fetish and I couldn't help starting a meme.
[12:56:37] <R2E4> pink nails brought this on.
[12:56:49] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[12:56:50] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: You should be happy I'm trying to pick on someone other than you ;)
[12:57:00] <PetefromTn_> hell man I can take it
[12:57:13] <PetefromTn_> This place is the least of my problems :D
[12:57:14] <pink_vampire> I can't stop read and laughing
[12:57:19] <lair82> Yep, FinboySlick has been kicking my ass all day about this
[12:57:46] <pink_vampire> " when you prefer dating a 50 years old rather wrinkled LNB who has 1.5 cm nails instead of a girl your age (with no nails)"
[12:57:47] <PetefromTn_> hey man I like some long nails as much as the next guy....but that site is creepy
[12:57:50] <pink_vampire> ok............
[12:58:24] <FinboySlick> Glad I didn't click.
[12:58:46] <pink_vampire> "when your #1 choice for a great hangout spot is a nail salon"
[12:58:46] <PetefromTn_> 22mm that is a french number huh.. wazzat like 3/4 inch or somethin' :D
[12:58:48] <pink_vampire> WTF
[12:59:05] <lair82> "When you see a picture of a nude woman you check out the manicure first", A guy I used to work with would look at a chics feet, if she took care of her feet he figured she took care of everything else pretty good too !!!
[12:59:17] <pink_vampire> PetefromTn_: 22m is close to 7/8"
[12:59:30] <PetefromTn_> I know I was just kiddin'
[12:59:34] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Thanks for pointing it out. I was about to remind pink_vampire to use God-approved units.
[12:59:35] <PetefromTn_> so where's the meme?
[12:59:54] <PetefromTn_> FinboySlick IKR!
[12:59:55] <_methods> 22m is nowhere near 7/8"
[13:00:09] <pink_vampire> mm**
[13:00:15] <_methods> much closer to 792"
[13:00:25] <pink_vampire> sorry can't type.. nails...
[13:00:28] <pink_vampire> you know..
[13:01:05] <PetefromTn_> I dunno how the hell you can build a CNC machine and do all that wiring etc with huge long nails...
[13:01:19] <pink_vampire> http://nailbytes1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6695&postcount=17
[13:01:22] <lair82> That is what i'm sayin,
[13:01:23] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: It's still a fledgling meme. Barely a few hours old. It'll be shy at first but it'll grow.
[13:01:27] <pink_vampire> sooo true!
[13:02:07] <PetefromTn_> Well I guess I missed it then.
[13:02:19] <PetefromTn_> I got a bunch of base moulding to cut up here for upstairs
[13:02:29] <pink_vampire> I don't do anything
[13:02:57] <pink_vampire> I have a BF
[13:03:01] <lair82> You have someone do it for you?
[13:03:10] <lair82> Slave labor
[13:03:31] <pink_vampire> no..
[13:03:35] <pink_vampire> maybe..
[13:03:45] <pink_vampire> better not to ask :)
[13:03:50] <PetefromTn_> BF wazzat like Bichon frise?
[13:04:08] <pink_vampire> he like the cnc stuff.
[13:04:23] <pink_vampire> but not much as I like it
[13:04:46] <pink_vampire> so he helping me if there is something that I can't do
[13:06:22] <FinboySlick> pink_vampire: That's pretty darn cool. Especially that the CNC stuff is something you can share.
[13:06:24] <Cygnus-X> Hello people
[13:06:30] <PetefromTn_> I better be careful out there working on moving this electronics cabinet.... could break a nail and then I'd be PISSED!!
[13:06:44] <Cygnus-X> anyone with some experience on grbl?
[13:07:19] <pink_vampire> Cygnus-X: you need to read the rules first
[13:07:38] <pink_vampire> Cygnus-X:
http://nailbytes1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1004
[13:08:07] <_methods> bestiality freaks
[13:08:07] <Cygnus-X> is this like a prank? pink_vampire
[13:08:15] <pink_vampire> no.
[13:08:25] <_methods> keep your gerbil fetish stuff to yourself
[13:09:15] <pink_vampire> Cygnus-X: it's a serious website, nail fetish community.
[13:09:15] <Cygnus-X> why is this site referenced as a malware infected domain?
[13:09:25] <Cygnus-X> anyway
[13:09:34] <_methods> says the bestiality freak
[13:09:47] <Cygnus-X> do anyone know if grbl on arduino sends ok after receiving the command or after finishing it?
[13:09:48] <pink_vampire> I have no idea here it's work fine.
[13:10:11] <maxcnc> Cygnus-X: the 3D printing channel might be better on this
[13:10:19] <Cygnus-X> maxcnc they sent me here
[13:10:32] <pink_vampire> grbl is cnc controller
[13:10:34] <maxcnc> so they dont like you
[13:10:50] <_methods> oh i thought he was into gerbils
[13:10:58] <_methods> and like doing richard gere stuff
[13:11:09] <pink_vampire> Cygnus-X: do you have a nail fetish?
[13:11:32] <maxcnc> we like to move 100lbs ore more on cnc NC code
[13:11:32] <maxcnc> so tiny at that low precision is not what we prefere
[13:12:35] <pink_vampire> Cygnus-X: to the point, what kind a machine do you have?
[13:12:49] <pink_vampire> what motors?
[13:13:11] <pink_vampire> do you want to work with linuxcnc or grbl?
[13:13:53] <_methods> http://www.niemanlab.org/images/hamsterwheel.jpg
[13:14:01] <_methods> for the grbls
[13:14:18] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
[13:14:21] <pink_vampire> "When you ask for extra pillows for your nails."
[13:14:56] <pink_vampire> lair82: ^
[13:16:49] <FinboySlick> _methods: You bastard, you reminded me of Lemmiwinks.
[13:16:50] <pink_vampire> "you will wait on a longer line just to go to the cashier with the long nails"
[13:17:00] <_methods> hahah
[13:17:28] <pink_vampire> "You are a lucky man."
[13:17:41] <pink_vampire> his wife has long nails ^
[13:17:52] <pink_vampire> have*
[13:17:57] <pink_vampire> whatever
[13:17:58] <_methods> escape from mr slave
[13:18:11] <FinboySlick> _methods: It's a grand epic.
[13:18:12] <R2E4> nails scratch, and I am not into pain....
[13:18:28] <pink_vampire> LOL
[13:19:18] <pink_vampire> "You've learned to let anything and everything drop (and often break) to the floor rather than risk breaking a nail to catch it"
[13:19:22] <pink_vampire> TRUE!
[13:19:27] <norias> hi
[13:19:30] <pink_vampire> hi
[13:19:53] <pink_vampire> norias: how are you?
[13:20:03] <norias> good, you?
[13:20:07] <_methods> zeiss is opening a new metrology center in boston i guess
[13:20:23] <norias> brb
[13:20:32] <gregcnc> zeiss is into weather?
[13:20:39] <_methods> hahah
[13:20:52] <_methods> apparently
[13:21:09] <pink_vampire> I can't stop reading
[13:22:13] <pink_vampire> " If I was king every long nailed woman would always get a check back and never pay taxes."
[13:22:31] <gregcnc> zeiss has done all sorts of things, at one point they made model airplane engines
[13:23:00] <_methods> i guess they're adding the metrology on to the existing microscopy stuff they have in boston
[13:24:00] <pink_vampire> "When you remember girls from 20 years ago, you can remember the length, shape and curve or their nails, but you can't remember their names. "
[13:24:03] <pink_vampire> LOL
[13:25:05] <norias> ok, back
[13:25:32] <pink_vampire> "As sandals are acceptable in the workplace, you notice when female coworkers have trimmed their toenails (even after a little growth) and you just hate it."
[13:25:34] <pink_vampire> OMG!
[13:25:48] <Loetmichel2> pink_vampire: i acnt even remeber the name of a girl i met a few days ago... or her hair colour. Nails? did she have those?
[13:25:51] <Loetmichel2> cant
[13:26:44] <gregcnc> if she was carrying a micrometer you'd remember?
[13:26:49] <pink_vampire> ok... so probably you don't have nail fetish.
[13:28:31] * norias shakes his head...
[13:28:34] <norias> what are girls?
[13:28:40] <_methods> guess that's better than being into grbls
[13:28:43] <pink_vampire> I have the messograf caliper pen
[13:29:22] <gregcnc> OK i might need one of those
[13:29:34] <pink_vampire> norias: it's a linuxcnc irc but the current topic is nail fetish..
[13:29:46] <norias> i see this
[13:29:58] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: I'm use it for ____
[13:30:01] <_methods> wtf it's not vernier
[13:30:03] <norias> i came to talk about bar pullers
[13:30:05] <norias> eh
[13:30:25] <pink_vampire> it is vernier
[13:30:35] <_methods> isn't it daylight?
[13:30:51] <pink_vampire> http://www.amazon.com/Cleo-Skribent%C2%AE-of-Germany-20000/dp/B003JGCR30
[13:30:55] <pink_vampire> it is
[13:31:07] <pink_vampire> but I can't go to sleep :(
[13:31:28] <pink_vampire> "Whan a 60 year old women (Dolly Parton) is still a sex symbol to you!!!!"
[13:31:33] <pink_vampire> OMG!!
[13:31:54] <pink_vampire> LOLL
[13:31:57] <pink_vampire> "Dude, are you in my head??"
[13:32:43] <norias> I think I might just make a bar puller for this job
[13:33:36] <pink_vampire> norias: what do you mean?
[13:33:53] <norias> I want to turn a bunch of parts without attending to the machine
[13:33:57] <norias> hence, bar puller
[13:34:08] <norias> but, i'm might just make one
[13:34:10] <gregcnc> or come back to a bunch of broken tools
[13:34:39] <_methods> i never trust those things
[13:34:42] <_methods> they always slip
[13:34:45] <_methods> or something goes wrong
[13:34:50] <norias> i've run machines with bar pullers and sub spindles before
[13:34:53] <norias> eh
[13:35:20] <_methods> you going to build a coolant powered one?
[13:35:48] <norias> maybe
[13:35:57] <norias> not a bad idea, really
[13:35:59] <pink_vampire> how much is "bunch of parts"?
[13:36:23] <norias> it's about 20 small, complex parts
[13:36:41] <norias> that i don't really want to hang around for
[13:36:46] <norias> mostly thinking out loud
[13:37:30] <norias> not screwing with the lathe would free me up to run the mill
[13:37:41] <pink_vampire> just do it part by part.
[13:37:53] <pink_vampire> http://www.hardcorebox.com/sneezing/
[13:37:55] <OdinYggd> Bar puller is more likely to not grab the bar and make a half-part than it is to pull too far and crash
[13:38:05] <pink_vampire> ok, this is the end of the internet.
[13:38:32] <OdinYggd> Bar puller in a turret lathe with a collet chuck can be configured to run an entire 6' bar's worth of parts unattended
[13:39:27] <gregcnc> i saw one video where they grooved the bar to get a good grip
[13:39:44] <norias> gregcnc: good idea.
[13:39:58] <norias> actually, if you groove the bar
[13:40:11] <norias> you can just make a mating bar that slides in the groove
[13:40:25] <norias> and have no actuation on the bar puller
[13:40:32] <norias> that's kinda slick
[13:40:42] <pink_vampire> you need 2 collets that can lock on the bar
[13:40:49] <OdinYggd> No you don't
[13:40:55] <gregcnc> minimum investment
[13:41:04] <pink_vampire> and one move one hold
[13:41:05] <gregcnc> for a little material cost
[13:41:08] <OdinYggd> The mass produced bar pullers I've seen take the form of a pair of pliers with a spring holding them shut and a block maintaining the minimum opening
[13:41:36] <OdinYggd> Press onto the bar with an X movement, release collet, move Z to pull bar, clamp collet, retract X to pop off the bar again
[13:41:37] <norias> gregcnc: i really like that.
[13:41:57] <pink_vampire> what is the length of the bar?
[13:42:07] <norias> 24"
[13:42:07] <OdinYggd> Whatever your machine can handle
[13:42:32] <norias> brb, going to look at the lathe
[13:43:12] <norias> yeah, that'll work
[13:43:16] <norias> i'm doing that
[13:43:23] <pink_vampire> for 2 feet you can just make someting like a press and push it.
[13:43:52] <norias> i think gregcnc's is the easiest / best idea
[13:43:56] <norias> it's dead simple
[13:44:04] <norias> the programming is bomb-proof
[13:45:00] <pink_vampire> how?
[13:45:06] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42pAqi0FBfQ
[13:45:15] <_methods> poor mans bar puller hehe
[13:46:46] <pink_vampire> I see what you meen
[13:49:29] <norias> i like his parts catcher
[13:49:32] <OdinYggd> Or instead of notching the bar
[13:49:37] <OdinYggd> If the part has a thread in the end
[13:49:43] <OdinYggd> Make that thread first, then put the mating thread on the turret
[13:49:43] <_methods> bucket catcher lol
[13:49:54] <OdinYggd> Very carefully screw it in and use that as your bar puller
[13:50:42] <_methods> i've always just had horrible luck with bar pullers
[13:51:30] <_methods> just make sure you have some extra material and some extra tools
[14:15:58] <PetefromTn_> _methods jeez man I am SO jealous of that machine ;)
[14:18:23] <_methods> not mine
[14:18:30] <_methods> i just found the video on youtube
[14:24:21] <PetefromTn_> I know man but I wish I could make turned parts that quick and easy...hell right now I wish I could just make turned parts :D
[14:25:56] <gregcnc> I want to see someone load up a bunch of milling holders with stock and turn parts with tools in the vise.
[14:26:29] <pink_vampire> I don't even heve tool changer :(
[14:27:48] <PetefromTn_> man I think I may have to just give away or sell cheap a boatload of scrap steel and aluminum I have here that I do not want to move down to Florida
[14:29:36] <pink_vampire> I need materials
[14:29:46] <pink_vampire> I'm in NY
[14:30:49] <PetefromTn_> well come on down I gotta get it outta here by next week sometime ;)
[14:32:09] <pink_vampire> I think just the fuel will cost me more then the metals.
[14:32:23] <PetefromTn_> It probably would LOL
[14:32:48] <pink_vampire> you can't clamp it on the machine?
[14:33:18] <PetefromTn_> I got a bunch of structural steel, tube, plate, aluminum plate, aluminum drops, some plastic sheet stuff etc etc.
[14:34:16] <PetefromTn_> I was going to try to take it but honestly I have so much to drag down there now its not worth the effort to find a place to put it all. Let alone dealing with it sliding and slipping all over the damn truck
[14:35:11] <pink_vampire> but plate and sheets are almost zero space
[14:35:37] <PetefromTn_> this is not full sheets its lots of drop pieces and cutoffs
[14:37:39] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pyramydaircup.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/hw97.png Holy crap look at this Wild looking Weirauch HW77 field Target rifle.... I WANT THIS!!! :D
[14:38:10] <pink_vampire> use double sided tape and attach them in few spots to a large plate, then plastic wrap on everything
[14:39:02] <PetefromTn_> its more than just the room, I gotta store it and transport it and that is a LOT of weight plus loading and unloading it. I got way too much stuff here. I will keep some choice pieces and get rid of the rest of it I think..
[14:39:58] <_methods> scrap that shit
[14:40:35] <_methods> is that your mount and adjuster wheel on that gun?
[14:41:22] <pink_vampire> dart board is the best
[14:42:26] <PetefromTn_> no actually it is not unfortunately
[14:42:39] <PetefromTn_> I have made quite a few adjuster wheels tho like that one and nicer.
[14:42:59] <_methods> yeah i thought i remember seein some pics of your adjuster wheels looking like that
[14:43:27] <PetefromTn_> I actually own an Hw77 weirauch rifle I am setting up for FT but it is not the silver finish model it is blued and I do not have that SICK gorgeous target stock for it either LOL
[14:43:53] <PetefromTn_> I was builidin RWS 54 recoilless action but then I sold my lathe to get the CNC lathe
[14:44:14] <PetefromTn_> now I think I probably should just get another HW77 for myself as this one is TECHNICALLY my wife's rifle ;D
[14:47:59] <PetefromTn_> http://s194.photobucket.com/user/Ricoffy/media/tx200_cs1000_5.jpg.html Pretty one here...
[14:48:32] <PetefromTn_> http://davegcustomstocks.com/hw97ftdominator2.jpg
[14:51:44] <_methods> how much do those stocks cost?
[14:52:02] <_methods> they shoot pellets out of those things?
[14:52:03] <PetefromTn_> some are pretty pricey
[14:52:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah they are precision target airguns
[14:52:30] <PetefromTn_> they are used in Field target competition
[14:52:57] <PetefromTn_> I would guess most of those stocks are over a grand as they are custom built to the shooters desires
[14:53:13] <PetefromTn_> I have a couple blanks here to make my FT stocks from but I have not gotten that far recently
[14:53:44] <PetefromTn_> the blue and yellow one is owned by a friend of mine and he has several top quality target guns
[14:56:45] <R2E4> pcw_home: you have 7i92 and 7i76 in stock?
[14:57:18] <Lowridah> its interesting that you can get a high powered precision air rifle overnight on amazon but not a magazine for a conventional one
[14:57:57] <R2E4> PCW: Do you have 7i92 and 7i76 in stock?
[14:58:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah just don't complain too loudly about it
[14:58:37] <Lowridah> not complaining, just observing
[14:59:04] <Lowridah> actually i might start a change.org about it
[14:59:18] <PetefromTn_> great thanks
[14:59:48] <PetefromTn_> define high powered
[15:00:14] <_methods> plasma rifle in the 50 watt range?
[15:00:44] <_methods> 10 more watts than the 40 watt range plasma rifles
[15:00:54] <PetefromTn_> while I would not want to get shot in the face with it, my target rifles are not what anyone could realistically call high powered :D
[15:00:59] <_methods> i'm sayin all this in my arnold voice too
[15:01:09] <PetefromTn_> but of course
[15:01:53] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIPCn-aYMoM
[15:03:41] <PetefromTn_> uzi 9 millimeter with laser scope
[15:04:06] <PetefromTn_> what did you do with sully? I let him go.... LOL
[15:04:13] <_methods> hahah
[15:04:18] <_methods> let out some steam
[15:04:19] <Jymmm> Mini-phalanx, period.
[15:05:35] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_8wRpgvhyg
[15:05:37] <_methods> like that
[15:06:18] <_methods> 2 liter phalanx lol
[15:06:38] <Jymmm> _methods: Pfff... Like this you biotch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrre7STy5Pw
[15:07:04] <_methods> that's nont a mini-phalanx
[15:07:11] <_methods> that's a full sized phalanx
[15:07:28] <Jymmm> Hey, whatever works!
[15:07:46] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuS3G7YKrj4
[15:07:50] <_methods> wtf
[15:08:19] <_methods> steam powered .22 gatling gun
[15:08:24] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKq-uLl8jkE
[15:09:17] <_methods> hahah nice
[15:12:27] <zeeshan> anyone got a 3d printer in here?
[15:12:50] <Simonious> zeeshan: yes
[15:13:49] <zeeshan> im lookiong for one... to buy
[15:14:07] <zeeshan> 1500-2000 max. most important is precision
[15:14:16] <zeeshan> next is work envelope
[15:14:35] <zeeshan> it'd be nice if its servo based.
[15:14:35] <Simonious> zeeshan: If I were buying one today (and for most purposes I would instead of building) I'd go with lulzbot, unless I needed a high end machine - in which case I think I'd go with the Markforged.
[15:14:47] <Simonious> lulzbot certainly is not, not sure on the markforged.
[15:14:55] <Lowridah> precision gets worse ad envelope gets bigger
[15:15:00] <zeeshan> both are FDM?
[15:15:10] <zeeshan> i think i want to stay away from SLA
[15:15:12] <Simonious> yes
[15:15:14] <zeeshan> cause it costs too much to print stuff
[15:15:16] <Simonious> both FDM
[15:15:18] <Lowridah> lulzbot is pretty good for the price, like a beefed up turnkey mendelmax
[15:15:29] <zeeshan> are they made out of plastic
[15:15:29] <Simonious> Lowridah: agreed
[15:15:30] <zeeshan> or metal
[15:15:35] <Lowridah> i'm partial to the rostock max 2 but i like deltas
[15:15:44] <zeeshan> and are they in a a heated enclosure
[15:15:49] <zeeshan> or just heated glass table
[15:15:55] <Simonious> Lowridah: the rostock is also a very good machine
[15:16:05] <Simonious> zeeshan: the lulzbot you would be building your own enclosure
[15:16:07] <zeeshan> my friend was recommending "Formlabs form 2"
[15:16:09] <Simonious> the Markforged has one
[15:16:31] <Lowridah> the form2 is $1500 more than your upper end for price range
[15:17:17] <Simonious> oh.. oops, the Markforged is also out of range
[15:17:19] <Simonious> for price
[15:17:26] <Lowridah> i haven't seen much as far as resin strength versus abs or say, PET
[15:17:39] <Simonious> the lulzbot is a good machine. I don't have one personally, but a close friend has two and uses them for prototypes
[15:17:44] <Simonious> also lulzbot runs a tight shop
[15:17:59] <Simonious> if you want strength save up and get the Markforged
[15:18:53] <Jymmm> _methods: last one is you, aint it???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJVF-w0We8
[15:19:17] <zeeshan> its also sla
[15:19:21] <zeeshan> i think the powder is prolly expensive
[15:19:32] <Lowridah> i need to get rid of 3d printers, i have 5 of them now
[15:19:38] <_methods> hahahah
[15:19:41] <Lowridah> my living room is stupid
[15:19:42] <_methods> 1 bottle
[15:19:42] <Lowridah> http://i.imgur.com/EaaMiGH.jpg
[15:19:51] <_methods> doh
[15:20:02] <_methods> is something stuck in there, let me look
[15:20:42] <Simonious> Lowridah: ha, nice - here are the two bots I have currently:
http://simonious.com
[15:21:18] <Lowridah> two mendelmaxes?
[15:21:26] <Simonious> yeah, more or less
[15:21:35] <zeeshan> i wish i could open links
[15:21:35] <Simonious> the blue one is the 5th ever MendelMax
[15:21:45] <Simonious> the black one is it's offspring
[15:21:50] <Simonious> both are pretty heavily custom
[15:22:11] <zeeshan> lowrida why so many :P
[15:22:22] <Lowridah> zeeshan: a few were given to me, a few i built
[15:22:33] <zeeshan> what kind of tolerances do you think you can hold on the 3d printers you guys recommended
[15:22:37] <Lowridah> sometimes you get into a hobby and just forget that it's not a big deal
[15:22:41] <zeeshan> +/- 0.010?
[15:23:05] <Lowridah> zeeshan: yes, if you're pedantic about calibration and even calibration-per-spool of filament
[15:23:09] <zeeshan> people say to go with an env chamber
[15:23:11] <XXCoder> +- .0000001
[15:23:24] <zeeshan> cause then shrinakage is consitent
[15:23:52] <Jymmm> _methods: Let's see.... I have a 2L soda bottle, extra air gun, 40CF full nitrogen tank, just need a brakeline =)
[15:25:48] <_methods> do it
[15:25:55] <Simonious> zeeshan: hobby printers like this require calbiration almost constantly to get consistent tolerance - some guys can probably get 10micron consistently, I get probably 100 micron consistently, but I'm an admittedly lazy tuner.
[15:25:59] <_methods> i need to get some airsoft bb's
[15:26:13] <Jymmm> _methods: Yeah, where do you get them cheap and in bulk?
[15:26:17] <_methods> amazon?
[15:26:35] <_methods> or go to the local airsoft field and beat up some little kid and take them from him?
[15:27:01] <_methods> trump style
[15:27:11] <__rob2> Simonious, how do you find them generally, reliable ?
[15:27:24] <__rob2> I have a makerbot replicator x2 in the roof, was a pile of rubbish
[15:27:36] <__rob2> extruder blockages all the time
[15:27:39] <Simonious> __rob2: generally yes - I have had prints fail partway through, but that usually doesn't happen if you mind the details
[15:28:00] <Simonious> __rob2: I've also missed steps, but that is always operator error/ _really_ lazy tuning
[15:28:26] <__rob2> yea, I just got bored with the effort required to print something useless
[15:28:37] <__rob2> it was abs tho, apparently harder to print with..
[15:28:44] <Simonious> I occasionally print a prototype, but not real often
[15:31:10] <Lowridah> i've printed off a number of ar15 lowers, magazines i've never gotten to feed right, 10/22 receivers
[15:31:21] <Lowridah> all kinds of neat stocks out of the fosscad repo
[15:31:43] <Lowridah> velocity stacks for scooters/motorcycles, gears for electric longboards etc
[15:32:08] <Lowridah> i never print the useless statues and shit you see piled up on thingiverse
[15:32:27] <XXCoder> Lowridah: except Yoda right?
[15:32:43] <XXCoder> everyone prints that. ;)
[15:32:46] <_methods> so you use your ar15 lowers you printed then?
[15:32:47] <Lowridah> well, i've printed out a buddha darth vader and a buddha stormtrooper for the office
[15:32:53] <Lowridah> _methods: yea
[15:33:03] <Lowridah> print at 100% infill then treat with layers of 2-part epoxy
[15:33:10] <Lowridah> the epoxy may even be overkill
[15:34:10] <_methods> more than 1 round?
[15:34:27] <Lowridah> yea, magazines worth
[15:34:33] <_methods> hmm
[15:34:40] <Lowridah> some of these lower designs have 600+ thorugh them without any signs of breakage
[15:34:54] <Lowridah> i dunno anyone that's printed a good lower and had it break from normal usage
[15:35:39] <_methods> so you don't run into any issues with buffer tube wear?
[15:35:57] <Lowridah> the buffer tube area's usually really beefed up in the models most people use
[15:36:04] <Lowridah> considerably larger
[15:36:13] <Lowridah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9R-Pl5Oq3I
[15:36:17] <Lowridah> here's my first test fire actually
[15:36:44] <Lowridah> i drop the magazine at the end because the rod/spring retainer wasn't threaded on enough, i had just figured out how to assemble it all an hour earlier
[15:37:24] <Lowridah> i've even printed out neat wooden ar15 furniture
[15:39:36] <Lowridah> the 10/22s were a bit disappointing but after judicious application of graphite lube they started to cycle just fine
[15:43:04] <_methods> be funny watching buffer tube go flyin at the range lol
[15:46:03] <_methods> hahahah i just saw pics of andypugh's "tap handle"
[15:46:06] <_methods> wtf
[15:46:29] <_methods> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/photo/108164504656404380542/6259430663611596626
[15:46:34] <_methods> git'r'dun
[16:22:24] <JT-Shop> todays project
http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/extension-01.jpg
[16:22:33] <JT-Shop> though
http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/extension-06.jpg
[16:23:41] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop looks good man
[16:23:56] <PetefromTn_> I have a shop built large blast cabinet I made years ago
[16:29:03] <Deejay> gn8
[16:33:37] <_methods> rivets?
[16:41:55] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_: thanks, I have everything on hand to build a larger blast cabinet except time...
[16:41:59] <JT-Shop> hows the move going?
[16:42:18] <JT-Shop> yep pop rivets, didn't want screws inside
[16:42:46] * JT-Shop goes to see if the 26" part will fit in the kiln
[16:51:11] <DRGray> Lowridah: is the barrel printed?
[16:51:40] <Lowridah> DRGray: no, i've never seen a printed barrel last long
[16:51:48] <DRGray> hah
[16:51:52] <Lowridah> there are a few .22s that have printed barrels though
[16:51:54] <DRGray> yeah i couldnt imagine it did
[16:52:18] <DRGray> i would of thought it would just break up
[16:52:43] <Lowridah> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20151124-worlds-first-fully-3d-printed-revolver-can-fire-up-to-8-bullets-between-reloads.html
[16:53:11] <Lowridah> while it was under development it had barrel inserts though
[16:53:28] <DRGray> im not sure if all these 3d printed guns are cool or just a little disturbing
[16:53:40] <DRGray> i guess the next thing is 3d printed rocket launchers
[16:53:46] <Lowridah> sure why not
[16:54:00] <Lowridah> it's not like joe sixpack is printing off guns, it takes quite a bit of skill to get something useful
[16:54:14] <Lowridah> not to mention he's not going to get the stl/step/iegs files to begin with
[16:55:00] <Lowridah> pawn shops are way more accessible to the majority of people for a cheap heater anyways
[16:58:17] <DRGray> heh
[16:58:42] <DRGray> so on your prints you soak it in epoxy resin to stregnthen?
[16:59:21] <Lowridah> no, i paint it on, it's a self-leveling epoxy specifically for 3d prints
[16:59:40] <DRGray> to make it stronger?
[16:59:58] <Lowridah> yes, it levels out the striations and makes it considerably stronger, especially if you do a few layers
[17:00:19] <DRGray> if you just paint it on? does it soak in far?
[17:00:30] <DRGray> im guessing 3d prints are still quite porus
[17:00:46] <DRGray> i have a 3d printer i just havent been using it that much due to strenght of end results
[17:00:49] <Lowridah> you paint it on as thin as you possibly can, and it sets up and causes surface tension to fill the striations
[17:01:01] <Lowridah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSKxycs3kPg
[17:01:19] <Lowridah> the guys that make it make a whole lot of resin/urethane products for moldmaking and such
[17:04:05] <DRGray> yeah we used to make molds out of resin and fibre glass
[17:04:34] <DRGray> ill have to find out if we have anything left
[17:04:57] <DRGray> it just looks like resin
[17:05:54] <DRGray> its good stuff
[17:43:57] <_methods> jeebus welding .020" stainless is a serious PITA
[17:44:24] <_methods> heat gets away so fast and blows thru
[17:45:08] <JT-Shop> tig?
[17:45:25] <_methods> yeah
[17:45:56] <_methods> if i get it hot enough to get a good melt on the filler then it blows thru the main material
[17:46:08] <_methods> but if i don't get it hot enough the filler rod just balls up and sits on top
[17:46:12] <JT-Shop> I can only imagine a 0.040 wire welding 0.020 stock
[17:46:30] <_methods> i have 1/16 filler
[17:46:38] <JT-Shop> can you make it fit well enough to not use filler?
[17:46:40] <_methods> i wonder if i should be using something besides 309l
[17:47:08] <JT-Shop> I would guess 0.062 filler is too big for 0.020 stock
[17:47:11] <_methods> every time i try that the arc hits one side of the weld more than the other
[17:47:32] <_methods> yeah i guess i need to get some thinner filler
[17:47:35] <JT-Shop> you using 0.040 tungsten?
[17:47:39] <_methods> yeah
[17:47:48] <_methods> 2% lanthanated
[17:47:48] <JT-Shop> with a tiny flat on the end?
[17:47:52] <_methods> nah sharp
[17:48:11] <_methods> i started using flat
[17:48:12] <JT-Shop> should have a tiny flat on the tungsten
[17:48:15] <_methods> that seemed to work better
[17:48:20] <_methods> it was spreading the heat better
[17:48:25] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:48:37] <_methods> i gave up for now
[17:48:57] <Sync_> as soon as it fuses you should be able to get it welded without filler
[17:48:59] <_methods> i was getting ready to start doing the monster mash on some stuff in the garage lol
[17:50:01] <JT-Shop> my brother used to weld beer cans together for fun
[17:50:27] <JT-Shop> a long time ago when they were steel
[17:50:51] <_methods> well honestly i have no idea what i'm doing
[17:51:00] <_methods> which probably isn't helping much
[17:51:12] <Sync_> do you have a pedal?
[17:51:32] <JT-Shop> song for the night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLNAkPsjAEk
[17:51:56] <JT-Shop> butt weld or other?
[17:52:28] <_methods> butt weld
[17:52:39] <_methods> is .045 the smallest filler wire?
[17:52:59] <JT-Shop> could be I seldom use filler wire
[17:53:21] <JT-Shop> if you have a good fit just weld without filler, unless you need a lump
[17:53:56] <JT-Shop> I only use filler when I've done a bad job on fit
[17:54:12] <_methods> yeah
[17:54:38] <_methods> well the fit on this is bad lol
[17:54:40] <JT-Shop> what are you making? just wondering
[17:56:20] <_methods> cyclone
[17:56:32] <_methods> miniature one
[17:56:40] <Tom_itx> for what?
[17:56:40] <JT-Shop> can you do a lap joint?
[17:56:50] <_methods> i'm making a quad cyclone array for a 5gal bucket
[17:56:56] <JT-Shop> Hola Tom_itx
[17:56:56] <_methods> for dust collecter
[17:57:03] <_methods> and "just because" lol
[17:57:17] <JT-Shop> can you braze it?
[17:57:20] <Tom_itx> first catia class is in the books now
[17:57:21] <_methods> sure
[17:57:24] <_methods> but i want to tig it
[17:57:35] <_methods> learning experience
[17:57:53] <_methods> i need to learn thin stainless
[17:57:54] <JT-Shop> and I fully understand "just because"
http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/extension-06.jpg
[17:58:09] <_methods> i can weld .06 stainless just fine
[17:58:22] <_methods> but get down to .04 and below and i can't seem to get it right
[17:58:32] <_methods> i just ordered some smaller filler
[17:58:33] <JT-Shop> start with a edge joint, just two pieces clamped together
[17:58:42] <_methods> yeah i've been doing that
[17:58:46] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, box wasn't big enough to suit you?
[17:58:48] <_methods> i can't carry bead on that even
[17:58:50] <JT-Shop> and get the feel
[17:58:54] <_methods> nice long flat pieces
[17:59:04] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: 26" part 22" cabinet
[17:59:04] <_methods> yeah i'm hopin it's the giant filler that is screwin me up
[17:59:26] <JT-Shop> I'm sure it is, takes too much heat to melt the filler
[17:59:30] <_methods> yeah
[17:59:39] <_methods> it's just ballin up and sitting on the work
[17:59:54] <_methods> if i get it hot enough to flow
[17:59:58] <_methods> i blow thru
[18:00:05] <JT-Shop> yea
[18:08:26] <robin_sz> so .. pncconf
[18:08:46] <JT-Shop> he hangs out on the forum
[18:08:55] <robin_sz> how do I get it to believe me that 10V = 24,000 rpm
[18:09:09] <robin_sz> it seems to think 10K is the limit
[18:09:26] <andypugh> tell it 2400 and then edit by hand?
[18:09:42] <_methods> there he is
[18:09:49] <_methods> mr tap handle
[18:09:50] <_methods> hahha
[18:10:08] <JT-Shop> lol, mr redneck tap handls
[18:10:10] <JT-Shop> e
[18:10:26] <_methods> got a good chuckle out of that today when i saw that
[18:10:34] <_methods> honey boo boo tap handle lol
[18:10:36] <robin_sz> I was kinda hoping to limit the "edit by hand thing"
[18:10:38] * JT-Shop goes to dice up some onions
[18:11:20] <JT-Shop> wizards can only go so far but you might mention it on the forum so Chris can see it
[18:11:20] <robin_sz> as I know I want to use pcnconf to add stuff later on, and I will forget my hand edits
[18:11:43] <robin_sz> cradek?
[18:11:47] <andypugh> I can do over-nice.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LQRkafGxGqc/Vt9bspcJByI/AAAAAAAAGYQ/VSAPsB2Fg-g/s1024-Ic42/IMG_2411.jpg
[18:12:24] <andypugh> I didn’t have to use phosphor-bronze sheet for the little blanking plate. But I thought it would look nice. On the bottom of my lathe saddle. Where it is invisible.
[18:12:32] <andypugh> Chris Morley
[18:12:44] <JT-Shop> nice andypugh
[18:13:13] <robin_sz> nice bit of cast iron
[18:13:37] <andypugh> It’s the original lathe saddle. Just adding a channel for a limit switch cable.
[18:13:37] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/log-arch/log-arch-16.jpg
[18:14:00] <JT-Shop> I built that for a buddy the other day
[18:14:24] <robin_sz> if you listen carefully, you can uear the sound of all those little cast iron particles screwing with yur mill
[18:14:50] <robin_sz> cast iron is nice to machine, but I hate the dust
[18:15:01] <robin_sz> its powdered death
[18:15:01] <_methods> log, log, it's fun for girlz and boyz
[18:15:56] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y0dGHkAkIY
[18:16:51] <_methods> you need to attach some speakers and mp3 player to the log trailer and play the log song wherever it goes
[18:19:23] <robin_sz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO7Q1tMGE7g
[18:19:35] <robin_sz> ^^ this.
[18:20:29] <PetefromTn_> _methods what are you welding that stainless on top of and what amps are you running. Whever I have to weld thin stuff I almost alway try to fusion weld like JT was saying. Just gotta get a good joint and start the arc on one side or the other..
[18:21:31] <_methods> as soon as i start an arc on it, it blows thru
[18:21:44] <_methods> i'm running about 15-30 amps
[18:21:50] <robin_sz> how thin?
[18:21:55] <_methods> .02"
[18:22:00] <robin_sz> ally?
[18:22:05] <_methods> stainless 304
[18:22:15] <PetefromTn_> DC of course
[18:22:19] <_methods> yea
[18:22:23] <robin_sz> pure argon?
[18:22:25] <_methods> yep
[18:22:31] <_methods> with a gas lens
[18:22:32] <PetefromTn_> what is your arc force setting set to
[18:22:33] <robin_sz> sharp point?
[18:22:33] <_methods> #7 cup
[18:22:41] <_methods> i've tried arc force all over
[18:22:50] <_methods> where should i have the arc force?
[18:22:51] <PetefromTn_> mine seemed to like almost all the way off
[18:22:55] <_methods> i've used sharp and flat point
[18:23:07] <robin_sz> sharp is what you want
[18:23:14] <_methods> yeah i was having better luck with lower arc force and soft start off
[18:23:19] <PetefromTn_> you are starting the arc far away from the material and then approaching rihgt
[18:23:22] <robin_sz> and foot pedal?
[18:23:33] <_methods> i've been startin the arc on the filler rod
[18:23:37] <_methods> so i don't blow thru
[18:23:46] <robin_sz> no ... start minimum gap
[18:23:47] <_methods> yes foot pedal
[18:23:53] <PetefromTn_> try raising up and starting on the material
[18:23:56] <robin_sz> point as close as you can get
[18:24:16] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[18:24:21] <PetefromTn_> complete opposite
[18:24:33] <robin_sz> err .. wrong
[18:24:50] <PetefromTn_> whenever I start on thin stuff I raise up and start arc and bring it in
[18:24:57] <robin_sz> good for you
[18:25:33] <robin_sz> what is the equation that relates power to voltage and current?
[18:25:51] <PetefromTn_> my comment was not laughing at your idea I was saying it was funny that we recommended completely opposite approaches
[18:25:57] <robin_sz> oh OK :)
[18:26:18] <robin_sz> well, the further you pull backm the more heat it puts in
[18:26:25] <PetefromTn_> but as I said on the thin walled stainless tube and even the aluminum tube this worked for me
[18:26:26] <_methods> yeah don't worry i'm sure this is 1000% operator error
[18:26:33] <robin_sz> P = V x I
[18:26:48] <_methods> so probably no matter what advice you give me i'll still be screwin it up until i "figure" it out
[18:26:48] <robin_sz> tig is constant current
[18:26:54] <_methods> PetefromTn_: has the same machine as me
[18:27:02] <PetefromTn_> well similar at least
[18:27:08] <robin_sz> as you pull back, the voltage goes up
[18:27:17] <_methods> yeah
[18:27:26] <robin_sz> so the overall heat into the joint goes up
[18:27:42] <robin_sz> but it is spread more
[18:27:59] <PetefromTn_> like I said this works for me YMMV
[18:28:12] <robin_sz> sharp point, minimum current, minimum hold off distance is what I would go with
[18:28:20] <PetefromTn_> and understand I have zero formal training
[18:28:23] <_methods> well the fitup on this is far from perfect i traced the flat patterns on the material and cut them out with tin snips
[18:28:33] <_methods> and i was never very good at coloring in the lines
[18:29:02] <PetefromTn_> could be the material is the problem too. I have welded some thin sheet that just disappears under the torch no matter what I did...
[18:29:18] <_methods> yeah that's what happens if i don't start the arc on the filler rod
[18:29:23] <_methods> it just vaporizes the material
[18:29:30] <robin_sz> PetefromTn_, I used to run a weld fab shop, and approve processes for our coded welders, mig and tig
[18:29:52] <PetefromTn_> I just do fab work all the time but I am no expert
[18:30:35] <robin_sz> well, it is asy enough to try both ways
[18:30:49] <_methods> i'll try anything lol
[18:30:53] <robin_sz> but I would try low current and teeny teeny gap
[18:31:00] <_methods> k
[18:31:18] <_methods> i was starting to get good results with 20 amps and soft start off
[18:31:38] <robin_sz> 020 is thinish
[18:31:48] <_methods> but by that point i was kinda frustrated so i figured i'd quit before i started smashing things
[18:31:56] <robin_sz> I have to do some fuel tanks in 020 soon
[18:32:10] <robin_sz> ally
[18:32:10] <_methods> .04 and up i'm fine all day
[18:32:23] <_methods> but this .02 is kickin my ass
[18:32:29] <robin_sz> yeah, .04 is easy enough
[18:32:36] <_methods> i'll blow thru .04 too
[18:32:39] <_methods> but not like this
[18:32:41] <robin_sz> just get the current down
[18:33:30] <_methods> yeah i think i was getting too impatient and going with higher current then trying to back off on pedal
[18:34:38] <robin_sz> the rule of thumb is .010 = 10 amps
[18:35:02] <robin_sz> so 20 amps is about right, but .. id try less
[18:35:11] <robin_sz> and do not stop moving
[18:35:26] <_methods> yeah i think that's another thing i was doing wrong
[18:35:27] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/lAhQqCP.jpg This stuff is pretty thin I can't remember how thin exactly tho...
[18:36:34] <_methods> looks good
[18:36:47] <PetefromTn_> not bad I guess
[18:36:55] <PetefromTn_> I made several like that while I was there
[18:37:03] <Sync_> I tried welding .015" inconel
[18:37:08] <Sync_> what a fucking pain in the dick
[18:37:48] <_methods> yeah i'm getting my teeth kicked in by .02 i can only imagine .015 is even wors
[18:38:09] <OdinYggd> why not spot weld?
[18:38:19] <OdinYggd> either way, tack your way down the line so it doesn't warp
[18:38:25] <_methods> because i don't have a spot welder?
[18:38:39] <robin_sz> can you get purge argon onto the back?
[18:38:48] <_methods> i probably could
[18:39:00] <_methods> i could fill the frustum with argon
[18:39:06] <robin_sz> and make sure it is as clean as a clean thing
[18:39:34] <Sync_> the most annoying thing way getting the fitup right
[18:39:34] <robin_sz> when you grind your point, go for a sharp point at least 4D
[18:40:20] <robin_sz> fitup needs to be better than 0.010
[18:41:32] <robin_sz> still, ask me about it when I have done these fuel tanks in .020 6061
[18:41:51] <_methods> wtf is a .02 fuel tank for
[18:41:58] <robin_sz> plane
[18:42:01] <_methods> you could poke a hole in that with a pencil lol
[18:42:23] <robin_sz> the wing skins are 0.016
[18:42:43] <_methods> aluminum foil lol
[18:43:03] <robin_sz> well at least its not safety criticial
[18:43:07] <robin_sz> oh . wait ..
[18:43:28] <Sync_> I need to get better at thin Al
[18:43:38] <Sync_> my heat control is bad
[18:43:40] <robin_sz> same here
[18:44:17] <robin_sz> its just about keeping close, without dipping the tungsten into the pool
[18:51:08] <robin_sz> I was thinking about taking the CAA certification, but it looks like I can maybe get an exemption for non-structural stuff
[18:55:42] <OdinYggd> _methods, you didn't know that airplanes were made of tinfoil?
[18:55:50] <OdinYggd> You'd have to pay me a lot of money to get me into one of those
[18:55:58] <OdinYggd> Cause they are literally very carefully cut out and layered tinfoil
[18:56:21] <Sync_> pretty thick tinfoil in places
[18:57:03] <_methods> the majority of my time spent in an airplane i have a parachute attached to my back and i've taken off in significantly more planes than i've ever landed in
[18:57:10] <_methods> so i never really think about it lol
[18:58:31] <PetefromTn_> not sure if I would have the nads for that but I'd like to try
[18:58:39] <_methods> i love it
[18:58:49] <_methods> the wife made me quit though
[18:59:11] <_methods> we've been married long enough now though that i'm surprised she hasn't asked my to start back up again lol
[18:59:12] <PetefromTn_> seems like anyone who has actually tried it and survived says that ;)
[18:59:44] <robin_sz> i have never got out of one that still had the wings attached when in flight
[19:00:08] <robin_sz> and I plan to keep it that way
[19:01:25] <_methods> there is nothing else like it
[19:01:51] <robin_sz> i have done a lot of paragliding, so I get the genral idea
[19:02:05] <robin_sz> and even some paramotor
[19:02:26] <_methods> it's a rush like no other
[19:02:35] <robin_sz> but engine , wings, and some sort of stick to play with
[19:02:39] <robin_sz> im sure ...
[19:03:00] <PetefromTn_> yup but again requires a certain quantity of nads :D
[19:03:09] <Sync_> idk, I did a few jumps, and it got boring very fast for me
[19:03:09] <_methods> it's not that hard you just have to step out of the door
[19:03:11] <_methods> lol
[19:03:17] <robin_sz> but so does lion taming, and train crashes
[19:04:15] <_methods> well i've never heard anyone describe skydiving as boring
[19:04:20] <_methods> so that's a new one
[19:04:36] <_methods> i'd hate to see what you call exciting lol
[19:04:56] <Sync_> it is not boring, but I felt like there was not a lot of variety
[19:05:01] <Sync_> so it got boring for me
[19:05:04] <robin_sz> once the chute is open, its just like paragliding with a poor wing
[19:05:05] <PetefromTn_> I think offshore kayak sportfishing is more my speed... at least if its not on wheels
[19:05:08] <Sync_> dunno how to put it
[19:05:11] <_methods> well it's basically just falling
[19:05:17] <_methods> so not a whole lot too it hahah
[19:05:25] <_methods> step out door and fall
[19:05:33] <_methods> open chute
[19:05:43] <robin_sz> avoid helicopters on way down
[19:05:45] <PetefromTn_> pray it openss
[19:05:46] <Sync_> well you can do shits while falling, but still
[19:06:26] <PetefromTn_> I must say that having watched MANY youtube videos of paragliding that looks Freaking amazing to me
[19:06:29] <_methods> that's the part i love
[19:06:35] <_methods> flippin around all over
[19:06:51] <Sync_> yeah it is fun, but it is the same thing all the time :D
[19:06:53] <_methods> then i like to pull high so i can chill under canopy longer and just look around
[19:07:19] <robin_sz> thats why I like to stay in the plane :)
[19:07:39] <Sync_> climbing, motorcycling and mountainbiking does it for me
[19:07:39] <enleth> Sync_: go jump with a wingsuit maybe
[19:07:59] <_methods> ah man i never got to use one of those wing suits
[19:08:11] <PetefromTn_> or juggle some lit dynamite sticks?
[19:08:13] <_methods> they were just getting on the scene when i was jumping
[19:10:22] <_methods> those base jumpers are the real psychos though
[19:10:32] <_methods> i'm not even stupid enough to do that stuff
[19:10:53] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah just how stupid are ya? ;)
[19:11:01] <_methods> not that stupid
[19:11:22] <PetefromTn_> I used to be pretty stupid on my sportybikes years ago
[19:11:33] <PetefromTn_> and I did a couple bungee jumps
[19:11:34] <_methods> florida is skydiving central
[19:11:49] <PetefromTn_> how hard is paragliding to do?
[19:11:56] <_methods> i always wanted to go jump at deland
[19:12:11] <PetefromTn_> there was a drop zone north of PSL somewhere I recall
[19:12:12] <_methods> i've never done paragliding
[19:12:23] <PetefromTn_> I used to fix their business machines in another life
[19:12:32] <_methods> http://www.skydivedeland.com/
[19:13:48] <Sync_> I am slowly getting away from sportbikes into cars PetefromTn_
[19:14:44] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I sold my last one when my first child was born
[19:14:50] <PetefromTn_> I had like 13 of them over the years
[19:15:37] <_methods> yeah kids and wives are bad for hobbies lol
[19:15:44] <robin_sz> paragliding is easy enough, for going from top to bottom anyway ... if yu want to catch thermals and go gcross-country it take a bit more practice
[19:16:06] <robin_sz> a motor helps ;)
[19:16:09] <PetefromTn_> can you take off from flat ground say in Florida?
[19:16:17] <robin_sz> with a motor, yes
[19:16:34] <PetefromTn_> there is a guy near me that flys around the neighborhood here when the weather is nice
[19:16:41] <PetefromTn_> low and slow
[19:16:44] <Sync_> well, it's not like I have gotten saner PetefromTn_ :D
[19:16:45] <robin_sz> yep
[19:16:57] <PetefromTn_> Sync_ who has? ;)
[19:17:09] <_methods> are those safer than ultralights?
[19:17:16] <robin_sz> nope
[19:17:17] <PetefromTn_> I am crazy as hell but I suffer from lovemyself
[19:17:45] <robin_sz> wing collapse is an issue
[19:18:35] <Sync_> nah PetefromTn_
[19:18:38] <PetefromTn_> after looking into several means of hobby flight I came to the conclusion that they all have issues
[19:18:40] <Sync_> not gonna happen here
[19:18:51] <robin_sz> yep
[19:18:51] <PetefromTn_> what isn't
[19:19:07] <robin_sz> which is why I am building a stol plane :)
[19:20:37] <Sync_> less yoloing PetefromTn_
[19:20:50] <_methods> jeebus is that fat bastard george rr martin ever going to finish his next book
[19:20:53] <PetefromTn_> you gonna put your pencil punctureable fuel tank in it LOL
[19:21:06] <robin_sz> apparently ...
[19:21:21] <robin_sz> the paperwork needed to chnage anything is ...
[19:21:26] <robin_sz> painful
[19:27:23] <Sync_> PetefromTn_: it is one of the things that never gets old, trail braking into corners and getting sideways
[19:27:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[19:27:59] <PetefromTn_> I used to push pretty hard but that was when I was young and stupid
[19:28:28] <PetefromTn_> now that I am older and stupid I realize I could have been killed quite a few times quite easily ;)
[19:29:08] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind having my 1000 yamaha to ride to bike night again tho it was nice to ride in Florida in the evenings as the temp was so nice
[19:29:17] <_methods> if you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space
[19:29:35] <PetefromTn_> yup I definitely take up too much space :D
[19:29:40] <_methods> me too
[19:29:45] <_methods> way more than i used too lol
[19:30:38] <Sync_> PetefromTn_: I am almost getting killed every time I ride, wouldn't be fun without it
[19:30:53] <PetefromTn_> on the track or the street
[19:32:13] <Sync_> both
[19:34:25] <PetefromTn_> If I was still a little skinny fellow I could see myself getting a TZ or something and doing some amateur road racing
[19:35:31] <PetefromTn_> now I just kinda want to buy an old bike and build a sweet cafe racer out of it
[19:35:43] <Sync_> I have an old xbr as a cafe racer
[19:35:52] <Sync_> that gets real sketchy when I'm hard on it
[19:36:19] <PetefromTn_> nice
[19:36:53] <Sync_> stock fork but öhlins rear shocks, man that thing is wobbly
[19:37:37] <Sync_> the frame is not really up to what I do with it
[19:38:35] <Sync_> but that 500cc 4 valve 1 banger
[19:38:47] <Sync_> it screams.
[19:38:59] <Lowridah> i ride a 66.6cc bike hehe
[19:39:20] <_methods> satanic cc's
[19:39:46] <Lowridah> you know you don't have much displacement when you measure it in tenths
[19:39:54] <Sync_> I should dyno it
[19:40:01] <Sync_> but it is hilariously underpowered
[19:40:23] <robin__> I did the silly racer thing, got it out of my system
[19:40:25] <PetefromTn_> gotta do some more trim work here guys talk later
[19:40:28] <robin__> on an RGV250
[19:40:33] <Lowridah> i like slow and low personally
[19:40:46] <robin__> well, I have Ducati'snow
[19:42:38] <Lowridah> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dgLftE6U9Nc/UjUG2Cv7m1I/AAAAAAAABwo/lOMKm4GyNlg/w1438-h809-no/PHOTO_20130914_180023.jpg
[19:42:46] <Lowridah> last bike i built before the 66.6cc one
[19:43:06] <Lowridah> little 170cc scooty puff
[19:43:14] <Sync_> what the fuck
[19:43:44] <Lowridah> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-yeWF7XL_3aw/Ue8hP9J2LWI/AAAAAAAABKk/8hFW0NTdvrA/w1052-h592-no/PHOTO_20130723_173424.jpg is my 66.6cc one
[19:43:58] <Lowridah> when you live in the middle of a city anything more is an exercise in how fast can i break the law
[19:44:16] <_methods> is that one of those ruckus things
[19:44:21] <Sync_> yes
[19:44:27] <_methods> all the people with dui's ride those here
[19:44:31] <Lowridah> one's a ruckus, the other has a couple of ruckus parts on it
[19:44:32] <Sync_> you would instantly loose your license here
[19:44:47] <_methods> that's what people with no license ride here
[19:44:49] <Lowridah> you can't ride one in WA without an endorsement technically, let alone a dui at all
[19:45:09] <Lowridah> i don't live in those southern/eastern states that are that soft on duis
[19:45:14] <andypugh> Talking of paragliding, this looks like fun:
https://vimeo.com/36398302
[19:45:41] <_methods> here you just pay $5k and you're done
[19:46:05] <Sync_> heh, if you have a dui here, you are seriously fucked
[19:46:28] <Lowridah> here you can get a blow and go but ive only known one person they let put it on a scooter
[19:46:34] <Lowridah> and he'd just kick start it anyways
[19:46:57] <Lowridah> i can't imagine doing a rolling retake on a bike (they make you blow 15 mins after your first blow while in motion)
[19:47:02] <_methods> they made it so you can drive golf carts on the road here
[19:47:07] <Sync_> I was gonna say, a lot of those pos scooters have self exiting initions
[19:47:18] <_methods> and you can ride mopeds with no license
[19:47:40] <Sync_> no license mopeds are limited to 25kmh here
[19:47:44] <_methods> so you know who couldn't pay the $5k to get out of their dui
[19:49:34] <Sync_> if you get a dui here you have to pass a psycological exam, also called the idiot test
[19:49:43] <Sync_> which is incredibly expensive and hard to pass
[19:50:28] <_methods> hahah that must make it tough on idiots
[19:51:06] <_methods> you can't just pay the polizei off with beer and pretzels anymore
[19:51:29] <Sync_> yup, that's not gonna happen
[19:51:38] <_methods> damn
[19:52:08] <Sync_> well, I'm glad that it is that way
[19:52:16] <_methods> as long as you don't kill anyone in italy it used to be no big deal
[19:52:34] <_methods> we used to drive around with cases of beer in the car lol
[19:53:11] <Sync_> that's not a problem in germany
[19:53:51] <Sync_> I have been stopped with 5 people in the car and the thing smelling like somebody emptied a few beer kegs and bottles of booze in there
[19:55:54] <Sync_> we also have no open container laws, they don't make any sense imho
[19:56:17] <_methods> yeah we do
[19:56:46] <_methods> but who cares, because if you get a dui you can just pay a lawyer $5k and you're free
[19:57:04] <_methods> they drop the dui to wreckless driving or something like that
[19:57:44] <_methods> the lawyer fees get progressively more expensive as you rack up "dui's" though
[19:57:54] <_methods> my buddy's brother got 5 dui's in like 3 months
[19:58:00] <Sync_> dunno, I don't get the reasoning behind the open container laws
[19:58:01] <Sync_> wat
[19:58:04] <_methods> his last lawyer bill was $20k
[19:58:39] <Sync_> he'd be in jail here
[19:58:42] <_methods> him and his girlfriend got a dui in one
[19:58:49] <_methods> they both wrecked 2 cars into a ditch
[19:58:54] <_methods> and they got a dui together
[19:58:56] <_methods> true love
[19:59:00] <Sync_> and barred from driving for 10 years
[19:59:36] <_methods> yeah i don't get it
[19:59:43] <_methods> it's insane that they get away with this
[20:00:25] <Sync_> I wonder what goes on in their minds
[20:00:48] <_methods> who knows
[20:01:52] <Sync_> I mean, if I spend like 50k in 3 months
[20:01:58] <Sync_> just to keep driving and drinking
[20:03:41] <SpeedEvil> you mean the fees get more exotic because the defence has to get more and more creative?
[20:04:03] <Sync_> yes
[20:04:25] <_methods> no they have to pay off more people
[20:04:34] <Sync_> probably that too
[20:04:35] <_methods> it's crooked as hell
[20:07:45] <_methods> my cousin lives in oregon and he got 3 dui's and lost his license for life
[20:08:00] <_methods> they don't play in oregon and washington
[20:10:23] <Sync_> that's the way it should be
[20:10:53] <_methods> yeah
[20:11:04] <OdinYggd> Good.
[20:14:56] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixXsHMINNVU
[20:15:06] <_methods> that's the police chief from the neighboring county lol
[20:15:33] <_methods> hit and run + dui
[20:24:44] <Simonious> in fusion 360 where can I set leadin/leadouts to 0?
[20:25:48] <_methods> i don't have it installed anymore
[20:25:57] <_methods> i can't remember where it was
[20:26:10] <_methods> it should be in the toolpath options boxes though
[20:29:30] <Simonious> Why don't they get that I don't know anything?
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/support/lead-in-amp-lead-out-options/td-p/6072319 <- this seems useful, but I need actual screen shots or something.. I don't see these options.
[20:35:57] <gregcnc> which operation are you using?
[20:36:15] <Simonious> trace, but I haven't set up the toolpaths yet
[20:37:08] <Simonious> also.. getting it to select the lines I want.. is a nightmare
[20:37:40] <gregcnc> yes, I've also observed selecting geometry in fusion is a nightmare
[20:37:48] <Simonious> it makes all kinds of assumptions and selects extra crap and is pretty much always wrong and won't let me unselect the wrong stuff and reselect the correct stuff
[20:38:50] <Simonious> okay.. got it
[20:39:50] <Simonious> it wasn't quite as bad as I made it out to be.
[20:40:10] <gregcnc> on the linking tab it has lead option
[20:43:40] <Simonious> and setting that to zero will get rid of the little exit/enter tags all over this, right?
https://goo.gl/photos/X8nk6VsZy2XXLkss7
[20:44:05] <gregcnc> uncheck the boxes
[20:44:42] <Simonious> why not select them and set to zero, so there is no confusion?
[20:44:56] <gregcnc> uncheck means no confusion
[20:45:07] <gregcnc> but do as you please
[20:45:26] <gregcnc> without leads it plunges
[20:45:27] <Simonious> well.. I didn't check it last time and you can see from the pic it did it
[20:45:40] <Simonious> I'm okay with a 1/16" plunge..
[20:45:59] <gregcnc> that's why you have simulation it costs nothing to check
[20:46:00] <Simonious> I'm not okay with goofy tracks in and out all over the place
[20:48:10] <Crom> ugh flange bushing for holding the handwheel on my singer broke... cast iron, so tomorrow I get to braze it up, redrill holes and retap 10-32 grub screw hole
[20:48:38] <Crom> throw it on thee lathe to clean up
[20:55:49] * Simonious is putting the time in.
[21:12:43] <Simonious> so.. what specifically is the 'setup' for in fusion 360 CAM - this really feels like a stupid question, but an explicit answer would be helpful here. If I skip it and just do all the operations I need everything looks okay on simulate...
[21:13:59] <Simonious> ahh.. setting work origin for starters..
[21:40:05] <Simonious> when defining a tool in fusion 360 what is the difference between 'body length' and 'overall length'?
[22:02:35] <SpeedEvil> body of the tool might exclude the cutting edges?
[22:02:50] <SpeedEvil> dunno thoguh
[22:05:55] <PetefromTn_> well just one more bedroom and the upstairs bathroom need basemold and I SHOULD be done with the house upgrades...
[22:06:14] <PetefromTn_> I managed to pickup the steel to modify the Cincinatti today we will be working on that all weekend.
[22:08:27] <bobo_> who is "we"? or is that french for you-all
[22:10:18] <PetefromTn_> we is me and my wife actually
[22:10:33] <PetefromTn_> unless any of you clowns decide to show up and help :D
[22:12:10] <Crom> heh, I put up base molding today at the makerspace. at least it was the easy commercial plastic crappy kind
[22:13:05] <PetefromTn_> ours is just the basic colonial base tongue and groove pine preprimed upstairs, downstairs we used some kinda elaborate base that was a bit more complex to install
[22:15:52] <bobo_> So what is the Fla new house like ? how big is the swimming pool ?
[22:16:19] <PetefromTn_> don't know yet LOL
[22:16:41] <PetefromTn_> we have a realtor sending us listings daily
[22:16:44] <Connor> Did you win the Bid PetefromTn_ ?
[22:16:52] <PetefromTn_> we actually bid on a really nice one the other day
[22:17:04] <PetefromTn_> but someone musta had slighly deeper pockets :(
[22:17:40] <PetefromTn_> we inquired about one they sent us today that looks really nice we will see if it is still available.
[22:19:52] <bobo_> how do you proctect yourself from a realtors false bidding war ? or can you
[22:20:37] <PetefromTn_> no idea
[22:21:12] <PetefromTn_> all I know is that the homes are going up in price slowly down there so we need to be getting something soon or we will be SOL
[22:22:32] <bobo_> wish I did know of a way
[22:24:04] <bobo_> have you considered bank owned stuff, or don't want the hassle
[22:24:15] <PetefromTn_> Oh we are considering about anything LOL
[22:24:37] <PetefromTn_> I honestly wish I had 20 or 30k more cash we could really get into some nice homes....
[22:24:56] <PetefromTn_> shoulda been a doctor :D
[22:25:37] <PetefromTn_> https://treasure.craigslist.org/reo/5471622776.html here's a sweet fixer upper
[22:29:36] <bobo_> Looks neet
[22:31:21] <bobo_> wonder if that has or is in a assoc. or whtever they are called
[22:33:40] <PetefromTn_> https://treasure.craigslist.org/reb/5476946807.html not bad price on this one... sweet pool!
[22:37:17] <PetefromTn_> this next few weeks are gonna be nutz for us with all the driving back and forth to Florida and moving and packing etc. But I am so looking forward to getting down there
[22:40:12] <bobo_> are you going to photo the machines being loaded ?
[22:40:29] <PetefromTn_> I am going to be helping them load them heh
[22:41:25] <PetefromTn_> it sure will be nice to NOT have to worry about how high the garage door is anymore
[22:41:47] <PetefromTn_> I should have done this to the machine when I gutted it, would have been a lot easier
[22:42:07] <PetefromTn_> but I am almost ready to move the cabinet now. Should not take too much longer.
[22:42:19] <bobo_> ask Mrs We to run the camera
[22:42:24] <PetefromTn_> I gotta get the house updates finished by this weekend to fulfill the contract
[22:42:34] <PetefromTn_> why?
[22:44:13] <PetefromTn_> I sold her Trooper yesterday and she is excited about getting something sporty to drive down there... not sure what the hell she wants but maybe a jeep or a sportscar or something as long as you can take the roof off LOL
[22:47:48] <PetefromTn_> next time I decide to make some custom brackets to move the electronics cabinet I should make a note to myself to NOT dismantle the control electronics before I drill the holes in the plates LOL
[22:49:13] <PetefromTn_> we really need to invent a teleporter like in Star Trek so we can just beam ourselves wherever we want to go on the planet...bobo can test it first
[22:53:12] <bobo_> Pete this is what you need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ish567ZgU
[22:54:50] <PetefromTn_> honestly if that wasn't such a shitbox that is actually pretty cool
[22:55:17] <bobo_> my thought too
[22:57:25] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzl5d6qiBEA here ya go :D
[23:56:20] <Crom> looks like I need a singer 90186 hand wheel crank bushing, and I'm not finding it in parts places online
