#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-03-08

[00:17:20] <bobo_> Jymmm you think this is what Pete has in mind for Fla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ish567ZgU
[01:10:41] <pink_vampire|2> what is more accurate drill chucks that have arbor or straight shaft?
[01:11:48] <pink_vampire|2> I need something for small drills and reamers
[01:19:17] <pink_vampire> archivist: ?
[01:21:06] <pink_vampire> someone?
[01:21:33] <tiwake> what?
[01:22:11] <tiwake> pink_vampire: oh could I get a discord invite again?
[01:22:29] <pink_vampire> yes
[01:23:34] <pink_vampire> https://discordapp.com/invite/0oAimSwFHdSWZCUl
[01:24:40] <pink_vampire> tiwake: do you want to chat on discord?
[01:24:56] <tiwake> pink_vampire: you mean voice?
[01:25:06] <pink_vampire> yes..
[01:25:10] <tiwake> not really, they don't have a linux client
[01:25:27] <pink_vampire> you need browser
[01:25:31] <tiwake> using the browser thing
[01:25:48] <tiwake> but voice chat with discord in the browser kinda sucks
[01:26:25] <pink_vampire> I'm use only the web and it's work fine for me..
[01:38:15] <Crom> wooo I'm in lust for a keyboard http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB40B5A
[01:56:57] <tiwake> Crom: ooo... thats a classic spring-buckle type too
[01:57:17] <Jymmm> Crom: How's the juki?
[01:57:28] <tiwake> Crom: the razor black widow is pretty nice actually
[01:59:17] <Crom> working.. got the bobbin as loose as it'll go
[02:02:14] <Crom> the ultra classic 104 black looks good too only $84... last I bought a unicomp they were $67
[02:02:27] <Crom> that was 2004 I think
[02:02:47] <Crom> but I didn't get any usb then
[02:02:50] <Crom> grrrr
[02:25:53] <Deejay> moin
[02:30:42] <MrSunshine> hmm i wonder how a dead blow forging hammer would work for blacksmithing .. yeah you can use the bounce to put a little bit less work into the forging process but feels like a deadblow would deliver alot more energy to the piece being forged ?
[02:32:16] <Crom> MrSunshine, just doesn't work... your arm gets real tired real fast
[02:32:27] <MrSunshine> yeah might be true =)
[02:32:38] <MrSunshine> but would it deliver more energy in one blow ?
[02:32:47] <Crom> I've tried it...
[02:32:54] <MrSunshine> Crom: haha ok =)
[02:33:45] <Crom> maybe... but forging your working the metal for many blows until you need to reheat the work
[02:34:18] <Crom> I did a little last weekend. At the Riverside Dickens fair
[02:34:44] <MrSunshine> Crom: yeah but one problem when forging stuff is that you move the outer metal more than the middle with more cross section, more energy into the piece would move more metal deeper inside the piece =)
[02:35:21] <Crom> 110 year old forge, 120# anvil and a 46oz oz hammer...
[02:35:37] <Crom> if your gonna do that get a trip hammer
[02:35:56] <Crom> let a motor supply the mussle
[02:36:12] <Crom> muscle
[02:36:12] <MrSunshine> have my eyes on one that i know is local here ... but they want to have it on an auction insted of selling it to me directly
[02:36:28] <MrSunshine> hopefully when they have the auction there isnt anyone there interested in it and i can get it real cheap =)
[02:36:50] <enleth> MrSunshine: strike faster and more often to get more energy in, no easy way around that if you do it by hand
[02:38:06] <pink_vampire> what is the name for the half washer that secure the gear on a shaft?
[02:39:01] <Crom> C clip, e clip, snap ring internal and external
[02:39:10] <enleth> MrSunshine: the bounce is what helps reverse the motion of the hand, without it you won't be able to keep a decent rhythm
[02:39:33] <MrSunshine> enleth: im well aware of that =) but this was a question in energy delivery at one hit =)
[02:39:51] <pink_vampire> Crom: !! yes!
[02:39:57] <pink_vampire> thanks!
[02:40:08] <MrSunshine> might be good for some work tho, like using tools where you do not need to hit fast and for long times
[02:40:12] <MrSunshine> like when hot cutting etc =)
[02:41:00] <enleth> ah, OK, hot cutting sounds reasonable
[02:41:26] <MrSunshine> and punching holes and stuff =)
[02:41:36] <MrSunshine> where you want a solid hit =)
[02:42:11] <enleth> hot cutting also works nice with a small hand-operated hydraulic press
[02:42:11] <pink_vampire> how I make the groove for the C clip?
[02:42:15] <MrSunshine> and lots of situations in forging also .. when doing an offset over the edge of the anvil for example =)
[02:42:35] <Crom> parting too
[02:42:41] <Crom> tool
[02:42:52] <MrSunshine> might be something to try out just for the heck of it .. always good to have more tools in the arsenal =)
[02:43:08] * MrSunshine wants his blacksmithshop operational again :(
[02:43:28] <Crom> or 4th axis/rotary table and a 1/16" or 1/8" end mill
[02:43:51] <pink_vampire> I can do it on 3 axis machine?
[02:44:02] <MrSunshine> but first .. get the cnc running ... finaly got the 8 new steel wire wheels done last night more than some finnishing touches ... need to put bearings in and start drilling holes and planning where they should go =)
[02:44:04] <enleth> which reminds me, I need to find a cheap anvil
[02:44:17] <pink_vampire> the shaft is 30mm length 1/8" diameter
[02:44:17] <archivist> steam hammer rules
[02:44:24] <Crom> mount the shaft in a collet and hold down a parting tool to the table
[02:45:01] <MrSunshine> archivist: hehe .. been looking at videos of those huge steam hammers before .. those things can move some metal =)
[02:45:11] <enleth> archivist: the sound they make is absolutely great
[02:45:54] * MrSunshine hopes to be able to run the cnc machine again by this evening ... but wont happend as long as i dont get out of bed ... sigh :P
[02:46:02] <pink_vampire> I see now..
[02:46:15] <pink_vampire> but I get 2 kind of clips.
[02:46:17] <pink_vampire> https://www.fastenal.com/products/e-clips?term=c+clip&r=%20~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600135%20Retaining%20Rings%20and%20Clips%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22600137%20E-Clips%22|~
[02:46:26] <pink_vampire> https://www.fastenal.com/products/retaining-rings?term=c+clip&r=%20~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600135%20Retaining%20Rings%20and%20Clips%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22600139%20Retaining%20Rings%22|~
[02:46:37] <archivist> enleth, fun to use them :)
[02:46:47] <pink_vampire> which one is better?
[02:47:32] <MrSunshine> i trust C clips more than E clips =)
[02:48:05] <archivist> the steam hammer I have played with http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_09_27_Claymills_Open_Day/P1010350.JPG
[02:48:09] <Crom> depnds on the side thrust and rpms of the shaft
[02:48:31] <pink_vampire> 60 rpm..
[02:48:41] <pink_vampire> maybe less
[02:48:47] <MrSunshine> archivist: just an early version of air hammers i guess ? =)
[02:49:15] <archivist> air apparently does not give the same strike
[02:49:34] <pink_vampire> here https://www.fastenal.com/products/fasteners/retaining-rings-and-clips/retaining-rings/external-retaining-rings?term=c+clip&r=~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600135%20Retaining%20Rings%20and%20Clips%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22600139%20Retaining%20Rings%22|~%20~|ismadeinusa:Yes|~%20~|categoryl4:%22602509%20External%20Retaining%20Rings%22|~
[02:49:41] <Crom> any side thrust?
[02:49:46] <pink_vampire> what is "ring number"?
[02:50:07] <pink_vampire> not much..
[02:51:28] <Crom> easy on easy off low rpm minimal side thrust, the poodle rings are nice
[02:52:39] <pink_vampire> poodle rings?
[02:52:54] <pink_vampire> https://www.zoro.com/value-brand-retain-ring-ext-dia-14-in-pk100-168747/i/G2004012/?gdffi=047ada998cf641fa93e55ae8579df863&gdfms=E392BB530E474D208855185634B2052F&gclid=CNfckczVsMsCFZCQHwodL1EOHw&gclsrc=aw.ds
[02:52:58] <pink_vampire> this one?
[02:53:00] <Crom> https://www.fastenal.com/products/fasteners/retaining-rings-and-clips/retaining-rings/external-poodle-rings?term=c+clip&r=~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600135%20Retaining%20Rings%20and%20Clips%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22600139%20Retaining%20Rings%22|~%20~|categoryl4:%22612443%20External%20Poodle%20Rings%22|~
[02:53:26] <Crom> yeah that one
[02:53:43] <Crom> I'd still put a washer or 2 inside of it
[02:54:39] <Crom> unless it's up against a bearing then I'd use one
[02:54:48] <Crom> ground steel washer
[02:55:19] <pink_vampire> and how I what size I need?
[02:55:32] <pink_vampire> the shaft diameter is 1/8"
[02:55:39] <Crom> that I don't know.. I just go to the drawer and find one
[02:55:54] <pink_vampire> :(
[02:55:57] <Crom> should need a 11/8" shaft washer
[02:56:01] <Crom> should need a 1/8" shaft washer
[02:56:24] <pink_vampire> I have shoes in the drawers
[02:56:26] <Crom> time to toss this keyboard, but it's my only usb wired
[02:57:37] <pink_vampire> some time I think why I need all that stuff..
[02:58:03] <Crom> oh I do have another keyboard but it's flexible laptop one... where's a piece of plywood to stick it on
[02:59:34] <pink_vampire> I mean to the cnc stuff..
[02:59:49] <pink_vampire> Crom: what do you mean?
[02:59:55] <Crom> `Hmm hows this one working.. It's working pretty good. the1 doesn't repeat.
[03:00:17] <Crom> space bar is split into two buttons
[03:01:10] <Crom> ometimes it's esier to throw something on the manual lathe...
[03:03:23] <Crom> I thnk the clips re size for the shaft not the groove so an 1/8" clip should fit fine on a 1/8 shaft with a 0.025" or so groove
[03:04:11] <Crom> the groove sizes re in the machinists handbook, which you can find online
[03:04:38] <Crom> ack.. after middy nite.. nite nite all
[03:09:47] <pink_vampire> you need to high light my nick..
[03:10:27] <pink_vampire> highlight*
[03:11:25] <pink_vampire> sometime I don't pay attention to the IRC if I'm do something
[03:11:54] <pink_vampire> I'm google now for machinists handbook.
[03:13:16] <pink_vampire> Crom: ^
[04:34:29] <Contract_Pilot> Sup..
[04:48:40] <pink_vampire> hi
[04:48:54] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[04:49:40] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I need new drill chuck for small drills
[04:50:35] <XXCoder> yeah?
[04:59:00] <maxcnc> hi
[04:59:24] <maxcnc> its 10 inches of snow here from a blizzard became very late today to the shop ;-)
[05:00:28] <maxcnc> Wolf_: is it the one in Ramstein im near you if it is
[05:00:42] <XXCoder> it havent snowefd much here
[05:01:09] <maxcnc> DRGray: how is it going still mounting or miling
[05:07:20] <enleth> Sync_: do you have any experience with cooling CO2 sealed tube lasers with a water/glycol mix?
[05:07:27] <enleth> (or anyone else in fact)
[05:08:34] <enleth> supposedly some lasers don't like the additives in commercial car antifreeze mixes but demineralized water mixed with ethylene glycol is mentioned sometimes as safe
[05:12:22] <maxcnc> enleth: in the Stage technics for large show lasers a combinated liquid air system is usee
[05:12:51] <maxcnc> there is like ice fluid with a vent blowing the cold TRY air over the tube
[05:13:03] <enleth> maxcnc: that's nice to know but not terribly useful for a CO2 laser cutter
[05:14:42] <maxcnc> depends on what cooling power you need a simple freeser presure vent for 10USD will give you about -5Deg cool air at 20m³ per min
[05:15:59] <enleth> I'm quite sure I don't need that
[05:17:10] <enleth> I'll be rigging a chinese 50W sealed tube that is supposed to be water cooled with an aquarium pump in an open tank and I'd just like to go a step up from ghetto technology
[05:17:38] <maxcnc> agree
[05:17:58] <enleth> which means, for example, that I'd prefer a coolant that prevents stuff from growing in it
[05:20:06] <XXCoder> cant be replaced and purged sometimes eh
[05:20:23] <enleth> a sealed water/glycol system made out of PC water cooling components seems to be ideal, the waste power output is very similar to what a serious gaming rig produces
[05:20:59] <enleth> XXCoder: it's going to be hard cleaning the inside of the coolant conduit in the tube
[05:21:09] <XXCoder> thats true
[05:22:11] <enleth> demineralized water will prevent scale bulildup, but the system needs to be sealed to keep it demineralized over a reasonable period of time
[05:22:26] <maxcnc> ali got redy made pro stuff at around 160USD the CW3400 for instant
[05:22:26] <maxcnc> loks pro
[05:22:26] <maxcnc> looks
[05:22:43] <maxcnc> SPT Laser Water Chiller
[05:24:08] <enleth> who knows what's inside
[05:24:48] <maxcnc> that is the main problem on all sethuan parts
[05:25:23] <maxcnc> maybe R68 that is hihly toxic
[05:25:32] <maxcnc> ok im off
[06:33:32] <Sync_> enleth: it should not matter much
[06:40:18] <DRGray> new end mills are here!
[07:08:41] <_methods> well that was fast
[07:18:58] <lair82> Good Morning Guys, Whta is the best way to diagnose a memory leak? I posted a question on the forum about one of my controls that gradually gets slower and then finally freezes up, and it was mentioned that I may a memory leak.
[07:20:36] <_methods> you could watch top
[07:20:52] <Tom_itx> i would start by reseating all the boards & connectors and run the lcnc memory test
[07:21:28] <Sync_> that would not help at all
[07:21:58] <_methods> yes it would
[07:22:01] <_methods> top -b -n 1
[07:22:34] <_methods> or ps aux
[07:22:47] <_methods> there are a number of ways to skin this cat
[07:22:59] <_methods> but that would not help at all is not one of them
[07:23:59] <_methods> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/man1/memprof.1.html
[07:24:06] <_methods> not sure if that is in debian by default
[07:24:23] <_methods> https://packages.debian.org/sid/python/python-memprof
[07:49:15] <archivist> memory fault != memory leak
[07:49:35] * archivist points at valgrind
[07:53:39] <Sync_> that is what I was getting at
[07:55:17] <lair82> Will LinuxCNC still perform without issue? They run that machine all day every day, and I just found out that this is a recurring problem, so I would like to try to get this fixed asap, but need to be able to do it while they are running.
[07:55:35] <lair82> I mean while memprof is running?
[07:55:52] <Sync_> you should not do that
[07:56:01] <Sync_> it will probably work, but I'd not trust it
[07:56:17] <lair82> I saw valgrind, but it said it could slow the system down considerably
[07:58:54] <Sync_> it will do that
[08:00:21] <archivist> what else are they running on the machine?
[08:03:17] <lair82> Nothing, just Linuxcnc, and I have Sbackup set up, to backup to my pc in the office so as not to lose anything in the event of a bigger issue.
[08:05:23] <lair82> But that is the same scenario for the other 2 ubuntu machines, carbon copy MB's, CPU's, Memory, programs, everything.
[08:05:36] <archivist> lair82, a memory leak is a bug
[08:06:37] <lair82> I have used top before, but this occurs over the course of a whole day, would memprof be better?
[08:07:04] <archivist> top or similar to make a record
[08:07:08] <_methods> you can use ps aux too with a little script to log usage to a file
[08:07:19] <lair82> I see memtest86+ is on the system, would that work?
[08:07:25] <archivist> no
[08:07:30] <lair82> OK
[08:07:52] <archivist> memtest is hardware testing not memory leaks which are software
[08:08:06] <lair82> Never used scripts before, so not to sure about ps aux
[08:08:29] <lair82> I was kinda figuring that with memtest, but figured I better ask
[08:12:19] <lair82> _methods, going back to https://packages.debian.org/sid/python/python-memprof , what is the proper way of adding that to synaptic, and loading it to my system, I have always had troubles loading programs that aren't already part of the ubuntu system.
[08:13:06] <_methods> yeah i don't think it's in the wheezy repos
[08:13:17] <_methods> are you on wheezy?
[08:14:10] <_methods> i think that version may only be for python objects though
[08:14:51] <lair82> No, this is on a Ubuntu 10.04 machine
[08:14:59] <_methods> oh
[08:15:03] <lair82> Running 2.6.3
[08:15:06] <_methods> did you try apt-get install memprof?
[08:15:25] <_methods> it might actually be in the ubuntu repos
[08:15:45] <lair82> No, but I will try it right now on my test pc, it's not listed in synaptic
[08:16:01] <_methods> ah yeah looks like it got added in 12.04
[08:16:19] <lair82> Do I run that as sudo?
[08:16:32] <_methods> what?
[08:16:48] <lair82> sudo apt-get install memprof
[08:17:03] <_methods> oh that wont' work
[08:17:18] <_methods> pretty sure it's not in the 10.04 repos
[08:17:46] <lair82> So I need to add it to the software sources?
[08:17:48] <_methods> but you can try it with sudo
[08:19:09] <archivist> past end of live on 10.04
[08:19:14] <_methods> yeah
[08:19:59] <archivist> I think it is rude to stop the updates
[08:20:44] <lair82> I know I need to update, but they can't get off the machine long enough to let me update it
[08:21:06] <_methods> and this ram leak just started recently?
[08:21:31] <Sync_> lair82: just prepare another machine and then swap it out?
[08:23:25] <lair82> No it has been going on for a while, I thought it was random, once a month, but after talking to the new operator on the machine, it is a couple times a week, the old operator was kinda lazy, so he saw it as a way to kill some time restarting ubuntu, re-homing the machine, starting all over again
[08:25:43] <Sync_> hmm
[08:25:51] <lair82> The problem is, I favor Ubuntu a lot more than debian, it interfaced almost seemlessly with out windows server, I haven't had problems trying to install other programs like I do on the wheezy machine I do have running
[08:26:12] <lair82> with our, not "out"
[08:27:26] <lair82> I have tried numerous times to get sbackup working on my wheezy machine, no luck. It took about 3 minutes on each of my ubuntu machines, and now every monday at 4am, they are backing up to my pc.
[08:28:10] <lair82> I still see wireless networking issues from time to time on the wheezy machine also. I just work around them.
[08:34:33] <_methods> http://pastebin.com/1ZjrxFAJ
[08:34:46] <_methods> that's a little script that will record ps aux every 60 sec
[08:34:53] <_methods> you may not want to run it that frequently
[08:35:07] <_methods> maybe every couple hours or whatever you want
[08:35:32] <_methods> then you can record and see what is using the ram over a period of time
[08:36:40] <_methods> just change the sleep time to whatever interval you want to run it
[08:37:13] <lair82> Ok, how do I run that?
[08:37:57] <lair82> That number is in seconds, so If I change it to 180, that would be every three minutes correct
[08:38:02] <_methods> yeah
[08:38:39] <_methods> have you ever made a bash script before?
[08:38:59] <_methods> customer here one sec
[08:39:21] <lair82> No problem, and no, I have never messed with a bash script
[09:35:34] <pcw_home> what LinuxCNC GUI are you running? I have had axis up for years and it does not seem to leak memory
[09:35:51] <lair82> This machine is using gmoccapy
[09:38:39] <alibama> hey folks - i’m getting the mx3660 3 axis controller, and I’ve got a 40vdc 10a power supply…. by my reading of the specs this should be ok “20-60 VDC supply voltage & Output current from 1.45 to 6.0A per axis” it won’t have maximum power, but that just means it’ll be a bit slow? first time builder here - appreciate it :)
[09:40:18] <lair82> Where do I put that bash script after I save it?
[09:40:25] <archivist> having a supply too small may cut out/fuse/go into current limit
[09:40:58] <archivist> lair82, home directory and then make it executable
[09:41:31] <archivist> then run it with ./scriptname
[09:42:51] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I just got that solvent dye yesterday and tried it out... it seems to not be coating the part very evenly for some reason. When dunking it in the dye do I need to get all the water off or something?
[09:43:04] <CaptHindsight> lair82: as a tangent to your discussion, did you modify gmoccapy for your application?
[09:43:35] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: yes, water and solvent don't mix
[09:43:41] <lair82> Its working on my testpc, thanks,
[09:44:02] <tiwake> how do you get the water off then? blow it off with shop air?
[09:44:31] <lair82> CaptHindsight, the only thing I modified was the time/date format on the GUI.
[09:44:38] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: dry heat works well
[09:44:45] <Sync_> iirc there was a memleak in gmoccapy
[09:44:47] <tiwake> when I dunked the parts, it gave me kind of a marbled look
[09:44:56] <tiwake> kind of interesting texture actually
[09:45:26] <lair82> Sync_ thats good to know, I have 4 machines using Gmoccapy
[09:45:34] <lair82> :(
[09:46:05] <Sync_> just update them
[09:46:25] <archivist> lair82, google gmoccapy memory leak you will find it has history
[09:46:27] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: be careful with the dye, it's flammable and it hard to get off skin
[09:46:35] <tiwake> yeah
[09:47:14] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: you have a very fast drying ink, so beware
[09:47:53] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: would the sealing process go smoother if it was in a pressure cooker?
[09:48:07] <tiwake> (not that I'm going to try it...)
[09:48:30] <gregcnc> alibama mx3660 has several settings for motor current, set it so it doesn't overload the supply. Of course if the motors are rated at higher current they won't make full torque.
[09:49:59] <alibama> gregcnc: thanks - the power supply is pretty nice - variable volt variable amp so I guess i need to dial it in for the little steppers - it’s a sherline, which i think has relatively tiny motors compared to most of the setups i see on the list
[09:51:24] <gregcnc> check the motor specs for current
[09:52:51] <alibama> gregcnc: cool - i’m going to start settup tonight - i”ll get back on here when i’ve got the numbers in front of me - thank you again for your time.. I’ve been meaning to get this done for ages and finally got a couple bucks to get parts and such :)
[09:54:25] <tiwake> anyone know of any good jobs in texas? :P
[09:54:44] <tiwake> going to start gearing up to move to texas somewhere
[09:54:53] <tiwake> no idea where yet
[09:56:17] <maxcnc> hi folks
[09:56:24] <CaptHindsight> poor use of camo on a car http://goo.gl/XPydV3
[09:56:28] <alibama> aloha maxcnc
[09:56:50] <maxcnc> hi and did you check all the CAD CAM
[09:57:06] <alibama> maxcnc: spent hours on it last night… getting ready to hook things up this afternoon
[09:57:26] <maxcnc> so first bit brake this night
[09:57:32] <alibama> :)
[09:57:47] <alibama> i got a 12 pack to start with - and lots of styrofoam board
[09:57:47] <maxcnc> depends on you
[09:58:31] <maxcnc> the blocks are wood or you present yeseterday
[10:00:06] <maxcnc> lair82: stil here
[10:00:06] <alibama> oh yeah - but i’m not going to start with that…. do a couple test cuts in styrofoam tonight to see what happens
[10:00:57] <alibama> then destroy some bits, maybe drill in to the base… all good things :)
[10:01:11] <maxcnc> agree on that
[10:01:31] <maxcnc> starting with pocket rrouphing is always a good thing
[10:01:58] <maxcnc> do you got a stl from a test part
[10:02:29] <maxcnc> alibama: you taking about tiny steppers what size are they on the sherline
[10:03:16] <alibama> maxcnc: not sure - I’m at the pesky day job until about 4:30 eastern time usa… then over to the shop for fun until ~10pm
[10:03:35] <alibama> i don’t have the specs in front of me
[10:03:49] <maxcnc> no problem
[10:06:36] <maxcnc> so you got a all in one driver i see
[10:07:14] <maxcnc> is it a set from the bay
[10:11:49] <maxcnc> im off till later
[10:12:40] <alibama> whoops - just saw that… yeah - i got the all-in-one… actually that’s the limiting reagent as it’ll be a few days before it gets here
[10:16:40] <enleth> DRGray: have you tested the new tools yet?
[10:18:03] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: oil baron, ranger, bbq king....
[10:18:32] <tiwake> bbq king?
[10:18:55] <tiwake> you mean burger king?
[10:19:27] <gregcnc> no way, pro BBQ circuit
[10:20:36] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: tired of living in the US? :)
[10:21:17] <_methods> he's scared of all the winning that's about to happen
[10:21:23] <tiwake> what no... lol... I cant own my guns in any other country :P
[10:21:25] <gregcnc> build your self one of these and get ready to WIN http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/tx/TXBREbbq_valerie2_620x300.jpg
[10:21:53] <_methods> now that's bbq
[10:22:02] <tiwake> well, not legally anyway
[10:22:30] <gregcnc> are aluminum air rifle stocks a thing?
[10:22:53] <_methods> highly polished stocks
[10:22:54] <DaViruz> sure
[10:22:58] <_methods> to give away your position lol
[10:23:07] <_methods> and freeze your face off
[10:23:10] <_methods> in the cold
[10:23:17] <DaViruz> lot's of competition stuff is full of aluminium
[10:23:37] <DaViruz> http://www.feinwerkbau.de/ceasy/modules/core/resources/main.php5?view=publish&item=resource&id=1475&width=650&height=324&withMagnifier=1
[10:24:09] <CaptHindsight> old joke about Texas: 2nd Prize is 2 weeks with all expenses paid in Texas, 1st Prize one week all expenses paid in Texas
[10:24:29] <_methods> now this is GENIUS
[10:24:31] <_methods> http://biemspray.com/
[10:24:53] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I don't get it
[10:24:56] <gregcnc> this is what I saw https://www.instagram.com/p/BCqj6ZdCTOe/
[10:25:46] <_methods> on command butter
[10:29:41] <gregcnc> 170USD for butter you have to charge? grease gun with a spray nozzle
[10:29:42] <Jymmm> BUTTER my toast, I command you!
[10:29:52] <_methods> hahah
[10:34:53] <_methods> now they need to make a bacon sprayer
[10:35:46] <CaptHindsight> https://www.vetinternetco.com/bacon-spray-flavored-dog-food-spray-2-oz?gclid=CPiWqIS9scsCFVEWHwodkcYOIQ
[10:35:54] <_methods> hot damn
[10:35:57] <_methods> my life is complete
[10:35:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.stupid.com/bacon-air-freshener-spray.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&k=BACSPRY&gclid=CMeI6Yu9scsCFYaQHwodrrwElg
[10:36:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.baconfreak.com/boss-hogs-bacon-fragrance-spray.html?gclid=CID04Zm9scsCFY2QHwodxaUIEQ
[10:36:59] <CaptHindsight> and before you ask http://www.incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/bacon-deodorant-power.jpg
[10:37:33] <CaptHindsight> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HpXYX49VbXo/TZZ880TejAI/AAAAAAAABqM/phvDmzDIleQ/s1600/BaconInhaler.jpg
[10:39:58] <_methods> this is the future
[10:40:52] <CaptHindsight> would you grow your own bacon?
[10:41:11] <Jymmm> You and your canned bacon, pfff! (poser)
[10:41:13] <_methods> didn't we cover this yesterday
[10:41:20] <_methods> those human snacks
[10:41:24] <_methods> they were growing
[10:41:30] <Jymmm> Bacon burger.. http://p1.picturic.com/images/listing/09072015/1436472516_6011415954/1436472517_429185_226.jpg
[10:41:41] <gregcnc> http://www.paddylongs.com/
[10:41:47] <_methods> omb
[10:42:13] <_methods> wtf
[10:42:17] <_methods> free bacon with beer
[10:42:26] <_methods> that's beautiful
[10:43:10] <CaptHindsight> right around the corner from Delilahs
[10:43:14] <Jymmm> A light bacon snack http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16800000/demotivationals-random-16843974-492-454.jpg
[10:43:18] <_methods> damn next time i'm in chicago i'm goin there
[10:46:34] <Jymmm> Bacon Nirvana Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugIDfvUpcwY&feature=youtu.be
[10:47:01] <CaptHindsight> _methods: not big on kale?
[10:47:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Kale is awesome, it hides the ice in the salad bar
[10:48:27] <_methods> kale?
[10:48:32] <_methods> i like kale why?
[10:49:49] <CaptHindsight> I guess "free sprig of kale with every beer after 11" didn't go over as well
[10:50:39] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Only with the girls, but they were full after one bite.
[10:51:03] <CaptHindsight> light beer
[10:52:46] <Jymmm> Oh, he's abusing the BK "How it your way" slogan/policy... There was bacon (above) and now 100 slices of onion... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjrjQ6zlW6I
[10:52:52] <Jymmm> Have*
[10:53:20] <_methods> you mean the hot dog people
[10:53:21] <_methods> lol
[10:54:33] <_methods> omg we're finally getting fiber here
[10:55:16] <_methods> been stuck with dsl here forever now
[10:55:17] <Jymmm> Hey, the bun is fiber.... right?
[10:55:29] <_methods> and the node is so full they won't even let us get a 2nd dsl line
[10:55:58] <Jymmm> _methods: faster pr0n?
[10:56:02] <_methods> amen
[10:56:20] <lair82> maxcnc just got back, whats up
[10:56:34] <_methods> you mean instant kardashian twitter feeds
[10:56:35] <_methods> lol
[10:56:44] <Jymmm> Oh man, the soup he made actually looks good
[10:57:18] <lair82> _methods, I got that script running, see what it looks like later on. Thank by the way for writing that up.
[10:57:44] <_methods> np i just copied it from somewhere else on teh internetz
[10:58:14] <lair82> I see, well anyway, it works :)
[10:58:45] <_methods> you should be able to grep out of it whatever info you want
[10:58:53] <_methods> it will be a lot of data though
[10:58:59] <lair82> Can I ssh into that machine, and look at that file from in my office?
[10:59:04] <_methods> sure
[10:59:15] <_methods> you can also -tail it
[10:59:23] <_methods> and watch it over ssh if you want
[10:59:23] <lair82> I set it up on my office computer, and looked at it, it is a lot of data
[11:00:20] <Jymmm> lair82: If you are going to open up ssh to the internets, toss it on a high oddball port
[11:01:16] <Jymmm> by 'high' I mean something between 10000 and 65000
[11:01:39] <archivist> lair82, did you see what I said? gmoccapy did have memory leaks
[11:02:56] <lair82> I did see some stuff about gmoccapy having memory leaks, I never saw anything about them getting resolved though.
[11:03:10] <lair82> Jymmm ????
[11:03:21] <lair82> Instead of "22"
[11:03:29] <archivist> lair82, I see a fix being applied
[11:04:00] <lair82> Is there any way to figure out the IP of that machine, without being at that machine?
[11:04:40] <lair82> archivist, Like in the next update?
[11:04:47] <_methods> you might be able to swag it with nmap
[11:05:04] <_methods> or look at your router's ip tables
[11:05:36] <_methods> if you have access to your router config
[11:05:41] <archivist> lair82, 2.6.6
[11:06:15] <lair82> I can just as easily go out and look at it, I will have to wait about 20 mins, for them to go to lunch
[11:06:23] <_methods> just depends on how well you know the ip's on your network
[11:06:55] <_methods> if i don't know the exact ip of something on my network i can usually "guess" at it from the nmap results
[11:07:17] <archivist> lair82, I only looked at the google page no deeper
[11:08:10] <archivist> lair82, has the machine got a xhc-hb04 remote?
[11:08:40] <Jymmm> lair82: correct, common ports are scanned like crazy. high unused ports are less prone to attack
[11:08:48] <lair82> NO it does not, that is the only mem leak I see fixed
[11:08:51] <CaptHindsight> run wireshak, install windowsanything, connect to net, see all open ports in minutes
[11:09:05] <Jymmm> s/minutes/seconds/
[11:09:39] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: but most don't scan 65000 ports when looking for victims
[11:10:16] <Jymmm> _methods: Just for you... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkqeiKradak
[11:11:17] <CaptHindsight> todays top firewall hits: port 23, port 55525, port 9750
[11:12:01] <_methods> Jymmm: wtf
[11:12:09] <lair82> Yeah, WTF
[11:12:15] <Jymmm> _methods: "It's tasty!!!"
[11:12:50] <_methods> the first white castle
[11:12:55] <lair82> I love a good burger, that was just F#&*@# UP!!!!!
[11:23:25] <Jymmm> lair82: Install this http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/
[11:30:09] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: have you been out? almost 70!
[11:30:40] <gregcnc> yes, it's wonderful out there. I may have to go out for lunch
[11:32:42] <robin_sz> so, pncconf
[11:33:24] <robin_sz> setting the spindle speed range, it seems I can select a maximum of 10,000 rpm
[11:34:12] <robin_sz> which is a bit on the low side for my 24k rpm spindle
[11:38:55] <CaptHindsight> robin_sz: you can edit the configs by hand
[11:39:11] <robin_sz> this I know
[11:39:50] <robin_sz> but I still have an amount of messing with io to do which is way easier through PNCCONF
[11:39:58] <lair82> Why would it keep telling me permission denied when I try to enter the password?
[11:40:24] <robin_sz> lair82 cuple of options there
[11:40:35] <CaptHindsight> wrong password?
[11:40:54] <robin_sz> 1) linux just broke a key component that has worked for years
[11:41:01] <robin_sz> 2) wrong password
[11:41:35] <CaptHindsight> wrong user name
[11:41:46] <cradek> lair82: be sure to read the screen to see if it's asking for your username or password. the user interface is terrible and it trips up people a lot
[11:41:47] <robin_sz> ooh good catch
[11:41:58] <cradek> so yeah, in summary I think it's robin_sz's #1
[11:42:00] <CaptHindsight> don't have permissions even if password and user are correct
[11:43:26] <cradek> in particular, if you mistype your name, it will keep asking you for passwords forever until you USE THE MOUSE to cancel it
[11:43:29] <lair82> To access it I just need to run "ssh (ip address)" correct?
[11:43:40] <CaptHindsight> I had a user contact me every few weeks asking what the password was for the Linuxcnc system
[11:43:49] <CaptHindsight> he was used to windows
[11:44:15] <cradek> oh you are trying to ssh? I figured it was the X login.
[11:44:24] <CaptHindsight> so he kept only entering in the password vs user and password
[11:45:25] <robin_sz> pesky users
[11:46:03] <lair82> I just got into it on my windows computer using Putty, and it is working Ok (the password)
[11:46:59] <robin_sz> well, there you go then
[11:53:49] <robin_sz> so where on the disk do the various HAL files hide for things like my pendant ... im sure there used to be doc directry wfull of this stuff
[11:55:01] <robin_sz> or /usr/local/share or some such
[11:59:17] <robin_sz> so where do all the sample configs live on disk?
[12:21:54] <lair82> So how would I open the mem_usage file, going through putty, on my windows computer to look at it?
[12:24:52] <Jymmm> lair82: for editing or just viewing?
[12:25:00] <lair82> just viewing
[12:25:32] <Jymmm> you can use more or less (no pun intended).... more /path/to/filename
[12:26:11] <Jymmm> If you just want the last few lines of a file... tail /path/to/filename
[12:26:56] <archivist> cat,less
[12:27:16] <archivist> less is more than more :)
[12:27:35] <lair82> I am in the tmp directory looking at the file,
[12:28:08] <archivist> I cannot remember the last time I used more
[12:28:18] <lair82> But I need to run something like "gedit mem_usage" to open it don't I?
[12:28:39] <archivist> no, less file
[12:28:48] <archivist> cat file
[12:28:49] <Jymmm> could use top I guess
[12:31:47] <maxcnc> Hi
[12:33:33] <maxcnc> robin_sz: why dont you just install the sample you need
[12:33:54] <maxcnc> insted of copying it from disk
[12:33:54] <Jymmm> Gotta love FF... http://codepad.org/VclU8DYy
[12:34:47] <Jymmm> (page faults)
[12:41:53] <lair82> OK Guys, finally got in, and am tailing the file, what should I look for to signify a memory leak
[12:50:49] <lair82> Here is what I see regarding Gmoccapy, 1000 1624 18.1 2.6 176724 67168 ? Sl Mar07 251:44 /usr/bin/python /home/cinci12mo/linuxcnc-dev/bin/gmoccapy -ini /home/cinci12mo/linuxcnc/configs/MEANGREEN.ini
[12:52:44] <archivist> look over time see if one of the numbers is increasing
[12:52:53] <_methods> you should see the ram usage increasing over time
[12:53:32] <evil_ren> why is your config file yelling
[12:53:46] <evil_ren> oh duh i guess because mean
[12:54:02] <_methods> man don't install the newest nvidia drivers if you use multimonitors
[12:55:56] <_methods> just spent the last hour tryin to figure out wtf happened to my computer and rollin drivers back
[12:56:37] <lair82> archivist, the %MEM column has stayed at 2.6, but the VSV and RSS columns have been going up and down, and they are drastically higher than anything else on that machine, regarding gmoccapy
[12:57:16] <maxcnc> lair82: did you check if there is no left ko file for lcnc as it is closed and restarted
[12:57:37] <maxcnc> i got this problem somthimes if i close lcnc by X cross in the frame
[12:57:52] <maxcnc> then the men leaks
[12:58:11] <maxcnc> xubuntu 8.04 emc2.3.5
[12:58:34] <maxcnc> it got only 256 ram
[12:59:46] <maxcnc> i need also to be shure to got the systemclock in the right year otherwise the lcnc is not coming up
[13:00:03] <lair82> where is the ko file?
[13:01:36] <archivist> lair82, is this a machine with small memory?
[13:04:24] <lair82> No, It's at least 8GB
[13:08:15] <maxcnc> lair82: look in lsmod if there is a rtai started if no linuxcnc i runing
[13:09:12] <maxcnc> but i guess you are on wheezy 3. with a 8gb system
[13:09:28] <lair82> No, ubuntu 10.04
[13:09:39] <maxcnc> i never got a new lcnc installed staying on 10.04
[13:09:57] <lair82> There is just 8gb of physical memory stuffed into the MB
[13:09:59] <maxcnc> 10.04 does only ecept 4gb
[13:10:05] <lair82> True
[13:11:20] <maxcnc> did you tell the system i guess 122 that thre is more inside
[13:12:45] <maxcnc> by top -> shift+f -> n -< enter
[13:18:45] <maxcnc> lair82: did you check the /etc/sysctl.conf
[13:19:16] <maxcnc> for the swap usige so it dont accord the outstanding mem
[13:19:29] <maxcnc> vm.swappiness = 10
[13:20:01] <maxcnc> if it is 60 that detacts above 4gb
[13:21:14] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
[13:26:10] <lair82> I will have to look at the swap, I remember membiblio telling me about that before. Is there any way to open a file for editing purposes through ssh?
[13:27:12] <OdinYggd> nano/vi/emacs?
[13:27:37] <OdinYggd> Though that just shows you text, might not be any use
[13:30:02] <OdinYggd> Anyone here familiar with a method of going from a gcode toolpath back into a usable .step file? I've got an oddball geometry that I can describe the tool path required to produce it and the tooling required, but have no easy way to model it
[13:30:58] <OdinYggd> While it is plenty possible for me to just machine the thing and then use a CMM to scan a pointcloud off of it for a model, it would be faster to just simulate the gcode and machine an extrusion in software to get the finished shape back
[13:42:15] <cpresser> OdinYggd: i am not aware of any free software that does this kind of job
[13:42:38] <cpresser> OdinYggd: there are 'simulators', they produce voxels. but no real geometry
[13:42:50] <lair82> I will have to look at the swap, I remember membiblio telling me about that before. Is there any way to open a file for editing purposes through ssh?
[13:43:18] <lair82> Oooops, just double posted
[13:47:34] <robin_sz> lair82, just ssh to the box .. open the file in an editor
[13:47:41] <robin_sz> like vim
[13:48:26] <robin_sz> so just type vim <filename> and edit away
[13:49:14] <robin_sz> I only ever use vim for editing on a terminal, but there are other ways
[14:00:17] <_methods> lair82: nano might be easier for you to use at first
[14:23:09] <FinboySlick> _methods: Stop spreading heresy.
[14:25:24] <OdinYggd> Nothing wrong with nano. I personally think vim overcomplicates things.
[14:25:38] <OdinYggd> Its nice to be able to scroll to the line I want, make my change, save and quit move on
[14:25:45] <FinboySlick> There is a brilliant reason behind that complexity.
[14:26:06] <FinboySlick> ... POWAH!
[14:26:09] <OdinYggd> What would that be? Cause it always seemed to me like childproofing, and annoyed me enough that I only use vim when no alternatives are installed
[14:28:03] <FinboySlick> It's a bit more like a text-editing language than just an editor.
[14:28:46] <OdinYggd> So at that point I would have to write a program to let me edit the source code for the program I am writing.
[14:28:59] <FinboySlick> You can verbalize things like: "Find me every word that look like foo-999 and replace them by hex(999)_foo"
[14:30:45] <FinboySlick> It *is* fairly arcane (though incredibly well documented if you bother to read it). But you can give it instructions like this in just a few keystrokes.
[14:41:22] <_methods> FinboySlick: yeah sorry i wouldn't recommend nano under normal circumstances
[14:41:48] <_methods> but lair82 has enough on his hands without vi tribulations lol
[14:42:12] <FinboySlick> _methods: This is how you sort the boys from the hairy manly men!
[14:42:39] <_methods> well once he sorts this out we can bust his balls about vi hehe
[14:43:11] <_methods> or should i say lack of vi
[14:43:28] <FinboySlick> _methods: Could be worse, he could be lathe-less.
[14:43:38] <_methods> hahahah
[14:43:38] <Sync_> ^
[14:43:48] <_methods> poor pete
[14:45:26] <OdinYggd> On that note what do you guys usually use for controllers?
[14:45:45] <OdinYggd> I'm used to the mass produced getups with Mitsubishi or Baldor servo amplifiers and closed loop servos
[15:21:26] <gene_> jthornton are you around
[15:23:05] <gene_> Alex, are you a tool table expert
[15:58:31] <hatch789> anyone alive in here today?
[15:58:50] <hatch789> I have an odd question about power supplies with my 7i43 board
[15:59:28] <cradek> hi, always just go ahead and ask your real question
[16:03:40] <hatch789> ok so my Mill has X & Y ...it's an old Tree Journeyman 200R. Worked perfectly for years on an external power supply. I decided I wanted to eliminate the power supply yesterday so verified with Peter at mesanet and he said it would be fine to use the USB power on the computer.
[16:03:53] <hatch789> My pc is connected to my 7i43 board via Parallel Port
[16:04:22] <OdinYggd> What are the ratings on the power supply?
[16:04:34] <hatch789> so now I cut a USB cable open to expose the red/black 5v legs. Measured them ...they are great 5.05v so no problem there. I attach these to the 7i43 board same way as I used to have the old isolated power supply
[16:05:01] <hatch789> ratings? it's a regular computer so it's power supply is internal. 400 watt probably
[16:05:26] <OdinYggd> The supply you were using though
[16:05:31] <hatch789> so when I turn on my 7i43 board and then activate my servo drives, they start running at a slow speed both x & y
[16:05:44] <hatch789> the old was was like 250 watts just a computer PSU
[16:05:50] <OdinYggd> Ah
[16:06:06] <hatch789> it was just a pain having it there for a few hundred mA's that my 7i43 board needed
[16:06:40] <hatch789> so without even starting LinuxCNC my servos now move in a direction ...I think this has to do with ground sharing for the parallel port but I am not sure
[16:06:49] <hatch789> ideas are welcome. LOL
[16:08:00] <OdinYggd> Could be a ground loop yes.
[16:08:21] <hatch789> I don't know if there's an easy way for me to see my pin voltages on the signal ...but I bet I'm getting a slight + or - signal on the signal pin now that it shares ground with the parallel port (for some reason). Hence driving the servos with a false minimal voltage
[16:09:27] <hatch789> is there any way to re-adjust the signal to 0 volts on the 7i49 board? I think that's the one driving my servos
[16:32:31] <hatch789> anyone know who might have the knowledge I need to answer my question?
[16:34:58] <Deejay> gn8
[17:28:16] <PCW> Ahh 7I49. no way you can power that from a USB connection
[17:28:17] <PCW> probably have to steal it from a disk drive connector
[17:28:28] <PCW> (steal 5V)
[17:32:15] <andypugh> Do you sell many 7i49s? I know you have sold at least two, as I have them, but I wonder how many other resolver enthusiasts there are out there
[17:36:08] <andypugh> Todays wacky setup: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lZnLAT5N4ms/Vt9bjTjOiEI/AAAAAAAAGX8/TYg98UnwEUY/s1024-Ic42/IMG_2408.jpg
[17:37:48] <andypugh> (drilloing a hole to lead a limit switch cable uop and over the lathe bed)
[17:49:50] <Tom_itx> how did you get it started without wandering all over the place?
[17:50:51] <andypugh> I started with an oversized endmill to make a flat surface at the correct angle.
[17:51:45] <andypugh> You can sort-of see it here: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rniEHSKbBag/Vt9bkUAuY2I/AAAAAAAAGYI/lfzqp7SbCg0/s1024-Ic42/IMG_2410.jpg
[18:06:55] <zeeshan> nice andy
[18:07:26] <zeeshan> is that a lathe saddle
[18:07:28] <zeeshan> looks like it
[18:20:48] <andypugh> Yes, it’s the saddle for the Holbrook lathe
[18:56:00] <Simonious> so I'm in solidworks and I've sketched a shape on a surface, now I want to do a tiny v-groove that follows that line - how do I do this?
[18:56:39] <Simonious> I thought cut extrude, w/ think feature and draft would do it..
[18:56:44] <Simonious> *thin feature
[18:56:51] <DaViruz> check out the tutorials is my suggestion, there are tutorials for almost everything
[18:57:08] <Simonious> that's true, but it's dang hard to find the one to do a particular thing
[18:57:40] <evil_ren> swept cut
[18:57:41] <_methods> you'll probably have to do 2 sketches then do a swept cut
[18:58:03] <evil_ren> you feed it a profile to cut and a path to cut along
[18:58:34] <Simonious> I'll poke at that, seems like there should be a bettery way - like the one I described!
[18:58:56] <evil_ren> shrug, you described swept cut
[18:59:04] <_methods> there are probably about 10 diff ways to do what you want
[18:59:12] <Simonious> I described cut extrude with think feature and draft selected
[18:59:19] <evil_ren> it cuts a shape along a path (which can be a line)
[18:59:40] <evil_ren> the other way would be to create a plane perpendicular to the line, and do a regular extruded cut
[18:59:45] <Simonious> bad fingers - think -> thin (AGAIN)
[19:00:15] <Simonious> lets say.. the line is complex and intersects itself here and there
[19:00:25] <evil_ren> im not sure it cares
[19:00:31] <DaViruz> that's not a problem
[19:00:52] <DaViruz> the "cutter profile" can even be a 3d shape if you wish
[19:01:11] <evil_ren> like, maybe it could get confused and chain link parts of the line incorrectly, but its usually pretty sane about that kind of stuff
[19:01:44] <Simonious> thanks guys, I'll poke it some more
[19:02:05] <evil_ren> theres also options to add guide paths to the initial path
[19:02:26] <evil_ren> so you can like, twist around the path or whatever, or follow some odd surface shape
[19:02:49] <Simonious> evil_ren: lets not confuse the new guy :P
[19:02:53] <evil_ren> kk
[19:03:13] <evil_ren> he mentioned surface tho so i kind of figured something curved
[19:03:34] <Simonious> not the surface - the lines are just complex on the surface
[19:05:02] <evil_ren> yeah if youre just learning this, creating a reference plane perpendicular to your path to draw the profile might be the most difficult part, but thats some pretty useful stuff to learn
[19:05:29] <Simonious> does it have to 'touch' the path?
[19:05:56] <evil_ren> yes
[19:06:24] <Simonious> seems tough to stick a drawing inside a solid like that
[19:07:33] <evil_ren> yeah, so the trick is creating a plane that is coincident with the endpoint of a path line, and perpendicular to the path line
[19:08:25] <evil_ren> if you click reference geometry -> planes, it pops up a dialog with different ways to reference the plane, so you pick the endpoint and the line and just tell it how you want to relate
[19:09:25] <evil_ren> then you do a sketch on that plane that touches the endpoint
[19:09:34] <Simonious> I think i could make that work, but I'm still stuck in a mental loop because I'm almost sure that with text I can simply etch it into a surface with a square or v profile - this is what I want to do here, it just doesn't happen to be text.
[19:12:01] <DaViruz> it's probably possible to add parallel lines to your line to make a shape, and extrude-cut that with draft, but that seems like rather more work
[19:16:17] <enleth> the dumb approach would be to extrude down to the correct depth and width equal to twice the depth
[19:16:26] <enleth> then bevel the inner corners out
[19:17:20] <Simonious> even that sounds like a better operation than drawing a profile - again especially considering that letters have an etch option, why the heck don't regular sketches?!
[19:17:41] <enleth> completely backwards compared to actual manufacturing but should work in any 3D CAD
[19:18:51] <enleth> BTW, I've found a new hobby: find tasty shot mix recipes, adjust amounts to turn a shot into a cocktail, get drunk watching machining videos.
[19:48:05] <TomATI> Hi
[20:01:05] <Crom> obamacare GRRRRARGH!!!
[20:04:38] <malcom2073> Yeah :/
[20:05:58] <Crom> $2600 penalty for not having medical insurance for my wife
[20:06:09] <malcom2073> But hey, tons of people are getting shit for free now, yay?
[20:09:19] <cradek> that can't be right unless you guys made $1,300,000 last year: https://www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-for-not-being-covered/
[20:10:21] <cradek> although I don't quite understand the ORs
[20:13:41] <Crom> it was for 2 people for 8 month and 1 for 4 month
[20:17:08] <cradek> still, you two must make a LOT of money for it to be that high? like $800,000?
[20:17:25] <cradek> I just don't see how it can be that high otherwise. are you sure you calculated right?
[20:18:24] <roycroft> the worst thing you can do to a hater is fact check the reason for the hate :)
[20:19:30] * cradek shrugs
[20:19:31] <cradek> bbl
[20:20:06] <roycroft> i do agree that obamacare sucks though
[20:20:22] <roycroft> we should have a medicare option as well
[20:20:44] <roycroft> it won't be too long before i'm eligible for medicare as it exists, fortunatrely
[20:20:47] <roycroft> fortunately
[20:20:57] <Crom> penelties could be for other things as well... 4900 refund dwindled to $494
[20:21:04] <roycroft> but everyone should be eligible
[20:21:27] <roycroft> the average penalty for not having insurance this year is just over $400
[20:21:31] <roycroft> i heard that on npr today
[20:21:35] <roycroft> it was about $250 last year
[20:22:10] <roycroft> iirc the max penalty, after it's ramped up over several years, will average around $750
[20:23:16] <cradek> $750 is really cheap insurance insurance (in exchange for paying that penalty, if you need to get insurance later, you can have it to cover your now-preexisting condition)
[20:23:55] <cradek> but yeah we need medicare for all instead of this center-right republican plan
[20:24:11] <Crom> well the penalty is still less than what coverag would be
[20:24:32] <Crom> I'm covered via the VA
[20:24:55] <cradek> ah, the socialist VA program :-)
[20:25:17] <cradek> sorry, now I'm trolling
[20:25:43] <Crom> <-- disabled veteran
[20:26:00] <roycroft> the va program would work fine if it were funded
[20:26:57] <Crom> basturds only gave me 30% but the appeals court judge spanked them bit.. So I should be getting 70 to 100% hopefully closer to 100 than 70
[20:27:18] <SpeedEvil> yay
[20:27:51] <roycroft> but the right wing concept of "supporting" the military is to spend hundreds of billions on materiel, enriching the military industrial complex, recruit hundreds of thousands of generally low income volunteers to go fight contrived wars for them, then toss them out on the street when they come home
[20:27:55] <cradek> cool, I hope you and all disabled folks get good coverage in the coming years.
[20:29:02] <roycroft> the va works great once you can get in the system
[20:29:13] <roycroft> but it's so underfunded that it's almost impossible to get into the system
[20:31:28] <roycroft> http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/56df384b1e0000c60070f7fc.png
[20:31:39] <roycroft> tammy duckworth is a double amputee - wounded in combat
[20:31:44] <roycroft> she lost both her legs
[20:31:55] <roycroft> that's how the right feel about vets
[20:32:54] <cradek> that must be someone's idea of a joke?
[20:33:04] <roycroft> that was an official rnc tweet
[20:33:12] <roycroft> they retracted it shortly thereafter
[20:33:27] <cradek> that's amazing
[20:34:05] <Crom> well I'm uing the Choice system as well... Today I had an appointment at a local PhysTherapy place going there next 6 weeks
[20:34:21] <roycroft> unfortunately people take screen shots of those stupid things before they disappear
[20:34:29] <roycroft> this is going to be teh donald's problem
[20:34:30] <roycroft> it already is
[20:34:33] <roycroft> he says shit
[20:34:37] <roycroft> he said a lot of shit in the past
[20:34:42] <roycroft> and now he denies having said it
[20:34:47] <roycroft> but then the video shows up
[20:35:19] <roycroft> his recourse is to threaten to "pass a law" allowing him to sue anyone who says anything bad about him when he's president
[20:35:25] <roycroft> including reporters
[20:35:38] <roycroft> but i'm sure he's going to say he never said that :)
[20:35:56] <cradek> talking about what he'd do as president is fairly moot
[20:36:28] <roycroft> sadly i'm not so sure about that
[20:36:57] * roycroft notes that the day after super tuesday google searches on "how do i move to canada" went up over 1000%
[20:38:02] <roycroft> i think it's more likely that he would be impeached within his first year in office should he be elected than he would be elected in the first place
[20:38:20] <roycroft> but his election is not out of the realm of possibility by any means
[20:38:23] <robin_sz> so .. my pendant does not like the servo thread name "servo-thread" ... where do i find the name of the srvo thread?
[20:39:26] <robin_sz> xhc-hb04: waiting for XHC-HB04 device
[20:39:26] <robin_sz> xhc-hb04: found XHC-HB04 device
[20:39:26] <robin_sz> HAL: ERROR: thread 'servo-thread' not found
[20:47:24] <cradek> I think halcmd show will show everything, including the thread names
[20:47:30] <pink_vampire> morning
[21:31:51] <Jymmm> got new chisels for free today =)
[21:32:38] <Jymmm> So, how do we CNC a chisel ???
[21:33:00] <Jymmm> huh? huh? huh?
[21:45:57] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ??????????
[21:54:41] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: ?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿
[21:56:17] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: wow you put a lot of effort.
[21:56:29] <Jymmm> in?
[21:56:31] <pink_vampire> but you make my ocd happy :)
[21:56:46] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[21:56:54] <pink_vampire> hi PetefromTn_
[21:57:06] <PetefromTn_> Hey pink
[21:57:16] <PetefromTn_> been another crazy day here ;)
[21:57:48] <pink_vampire> I need to make a wadge
[21:58:37] <PetefromTn_> I spent the afternoon with my wife out on the cincinatti rerouting a lot of the wiring that goes into the top of the electronics cabinet
[21:59:02] <jdh> your wife does wiring?
[21:59:05] <jdh> cool!
[21:59:51] <PetefromTn_> well she tries to help me with it hehe
[22:00:13] <PetefromTn_> I think I have a solution here for relocating that cabinet without breaking or stretching any wires LOL
[22:00:58] <PetefromTn_> Tomorrow I have to go to the metal supplier to pickup some of the heaviest angle bar they have to make a new ledge for it to sit on.
[22:01:12] <Jymmm> jdh: You should see when she rewires an AED =)
[22:01:31] <PetefromTn_> I also figured out that I can probably stick a large 6" square tube in between the cabinet and the existing mount instead of having to cut and fab up a new one....
[22:02:45] <PetefromTn_> hopefully with any luck I can get the new stuff drilled and mounted tomorrow afternoon and be moving the cabinet finally by the weekend
[22:02:50] <Jymmm> jdh: Not only will someone come back from near death, but they'll be able to run the 440 in 12 seconds flat!
[22:02:58] <pink_vampire> PetefromTn_: sweeeeet
[22:03:11] <PetefromTn_> I made a big move today tho
[22:03:28] <PetefromTn_> I went ahead and scheduled the pickup of both machines for tuesday of next week
[22:03:42] <jdh> where are you putting them down there?
[22:03:52] <PetefromTn_> I also managed to post and sell my wife's Isuzu Trooper limited today
[22:04:16] <PetefromTn_> they will be going into a storage unit until we can get our new home purchase finalized
[22:04:43] <PetefromTn_> once I am finished with the Cincinatti modification the entire machine will be able to be pushed under a standard garage door
[22:04:50] <pink_vampire> http://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php
[22:05:05] <PetefromTn_> I figured it out today and once it is sitting on the 4x6 skids
[22:05:10] <PetefromTn_> and I made the mods
[22:05:18] <pink_vampire> most of the stuff there without CNC!!
[22:05:38] <PetefromTn_> the overall height at the highest point will be about 80 1/2 inches tall
[22:06:37] <PetefromTn_> so the whole package will be 6 and a half foot wide, 7 foot long, and under 7 foot tall...
[22:07:16] <PetefromTn_> not bad for a toolchanger equipped VMC with flood coolant enclosure and 20x20x20 travels I think :D
[22:07:52] <pink_vampire> yeah.. sound not bad at all.
[22:08:52] <pink_vampire> I need to move the electronics box of the machine.
[22:09:16] <PetefromTn_> I bought a bunch of skids today at home depot and got them slash cut etc for the Cinci and the CNC lathe...
[22:09:31] <PetefromTn_> I am QUICKLY running out of time to do all of this stuff
[22:09:32] <pink_vampire> http://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php/topic,3846.60.html
[22:10:52] <PetefromTn_> Hows this for a schedule...
[22:11:14] <PetefromTn_> guy is gonna be here with the trailer on tuesday sometime most likely in the evening
[22:11:27] <PetefromTn_> then we will load up both machines, tarp the hell out of them
[22:11:31] <PetefromTn_> strap them down
[22:11:43] <PetefromTn_> then he will be going to a motel to sleep
[22:12:15] <PetefromTn_> while that is happening I will be loading my van with as much of my crap that I can fit and still be able to get inside it
[22:12:33] <PetefromTn_> both of us will be leaving wednesday morning for Florida
[22:12:46] <PetefromTn_> I will probably beat him there of course
[22:12:58] <PetefromTn_> then I will stay the night with family down there
[22:13:07] <hatch789> pcw are you still online?
[22:13:09] <PetefromTn_> he will probably be in a hotel in the city
[22:13:17] <PetefromTn_> wake up in the morning
[22:13:19] <hatch789> I just got back and saw your comments
[22:13:32] <PetefromTn_> Unload the machines into the storage unit
[22:13:43] <PetefromTn_> then I gotta get back on the road back here
[22:13:57] <PetefromTn_> hopefully get here by thursday evening
[22:14:08] <PetefromTn_> then pick up the Uhaul
[22:14:17] <hatch789> you said with a 7i49 board I can't power it from USB. -The way it was being powered before I tried USB. I had the Computer PSU feeding the 7i43-u-4 board. Then via ribbon cables I was feeding a 7i49 and a 7i42T board
[22:14:20] <PetefromTn_> load all of my worldly belongings
[22:14:39] <PetefromTn_> close on my house and shut off all the utilities
[22:14:49] <hatch789> those 2 (add-on) boards do not have direct power, they get their power from the 7i43 board.
[22:14:53] <PetefromTn_> then head BACK to Florida with my family and the Uhaul
[22:14:55] <pink_vampire> just be careful on your back
[22:15:11] <PetefromTn_> talk about a freaking crazy week
[22:15:37] <PetefromTn_> drive the distance to florida three times in about as many days....UGGGHHHHH
[22:16:03] <pink_vampire> where are you now?
[22:16:10] <PetefromTn_> East Tennessee
[22:17:12] <PetefromTn_> one good thing is since we sold my wife's Trooper that we won't really need in Florida we will not have to rent a car trailer and haul it behind the Uhaul
[22:17:22] <PetefromTn_> it will just be my van and the Uhaul
[22:17:40] <pink_vampire> how are you going to move the machine?
[22:18:26] <PetefromTn_> I am paying a company to pickup and drop them off using a very heavy duty hydraulic dovetail trailer and diesel truck
[22:18:45] <PetefromTn_> The CNC lathe is no problem I could and have easily moved it myself
[22:18:47] <Jymmm> Note the "ingredients"... http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90302060/#/60284213
[22:19:05] <PetefromTn_> the Cincinatti is another story altogether....it is way too heavy to do it myself
[22:19:17] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: (wuss)
[22:19:22] <pink_vampire> how much does something like that cost?
[22:19:38] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm why thank you
[22:19:45] <PetefromTn_> pink_vampire not bad really
[22:20:07] <pink_vampire> ball park?
[22:20:07] <PetefromTn_> I am paying him $1650 door to door but I will be helping him with loading and unloading
[22:20:26] <pink_vampire> not bad at all..
[22:20:48] <PetefromTn_> no I could recoup that with a single job on the machine most likely
[22:20:49] <pink_vampire> what is the total weight of the machine?
[22:21:07] <PetefromTn_> the Cincinatti Arrow 500 weighs about 7k lbs
[22:21:22] <PetefromTn_> and the Standard Modern CNC lathe weighs around 3500 lbs
[22:21:49] <Tom_itx> a beast with a haircut
[22:21:52] <PetefromTn_> he is moving both machines for me
[22:22:16] <pink_vampire> mine it's about 500lbs
[22:23:15] <pink_vampire> my bf took it apart and put it in his car right there in grizzly loading dock.
[22:23:44] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could just take this apart and move it I probably would
[22:24:13] <pink_vampire> with the right saw..
[22:24:26] <PetefromTn_> no it actually can be all unbolted
[22:24:36] <PetefromTn_> but even the smaller parts are stupid heavy ;)
[22:24:45] <pink_vampire> granit?
[22:25:13] <PetefromTn_> no actually the CIncinatti is a weldment with the exception of the millhead casting
[22:27:41] <pink_vampire> mine has a 4 bolts that connect the base to the Z axis
[22:28:20] <PetefromTn_> mine has like 2 dozen ;)
[22:28:25] <pink_vampire> I don't like that, it's make too much flex and limit the y axis
[22:36:12] <pink_vampire> what happen to hoss?
[22:41:41] <os1r1s> pink_vampire Good question
[22:41:53] <pink_vampire> his is gone
[22:46:26] <pink_vampire> why everyone took the quill DRO out of the machine the leave large ugly hole in the spindle??
[22:47:19] <Sync_> pink_vampire: the 4 screws are not causing any flex
[22:47:44] <pink_vampire> but if it was casting
[22:47:45] <Sync_> the bad surface contact and the open box do
[22:50:36] <Sync_> if it was a solid casting it would be stiffer, but not by an incredible amount
[22:51:09] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking maybe to make the extended Y axis mod
[22:51:59] <Sync_> just shim it into alignment and fill the void with DHW
[22:53:08] <pink_vampire> but I'm wondering if it will make it more flex
[22:53:23] <Sync_> if you extend the y?
[22:53:29] <pink_vampire> yes
[22:53:47] <Sync_> no, but it will try to wobble
[22:54:17] <pink_vampire> it's like a block of metal that you add between the base and the Z axis
[22:56:31] <Sync_> well, if you ensure proper surface contact the influence should be minimal
[22:56:42] <Sync_> it will be worse, but it should not matter
[22:58:40] <pink_vampire> anyway it's not something that I'm going to do soon..
[23:00:09] <Sync_> the best thing you can do is to replace the screws with nice ones and good washers
[23:00:20] <Sync_> and get rid of all the paint below them
[23:00:47] <pink_vampire> it's black screws
[23:02:03] <pink_vampire> I don't want to damage the third in the cast iron base
[23:02:21] <Sync_> black screws does not mean anything
[23:02:26] <Sync_> they could be black cheese
[23:07:27] <pink_vampire> if it's work don't fix it
[23:07:40] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 folks
[23:07:56] <Sync_> you were complaining about it
[23:08:01] <Sync_> so change it
[23:08:04] <Sync_> it is easy to do
[23:09:30] <os1r1s> Woohoo, got my clearpath motors and the Z and Y ballscrews for my mill in tonight
[23:09:44] <os1r1s> She is getting there ..... sloooooowly
[23:09:57] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: pics!
[23:10:40] <Sync_> and there is no reason why you would damage the thread in the base
[23:12:59] <Sync_> and you will probably need to align your Z axis anyway
[23:13:18] <pink_vampire> the screws are much better then the casting..
[23:13:45] <pink_vampire> I just leave with that.
[23:14:18] <Sync_> that you don't know, mine were incredibly soft
[23:18:04] <pink_vampire> the screws here are very hard,
[23:18:21] <pink_vampire> you can't leave a make on them with a file
[23:18:59] <Sync_> that's not very good either
[23:19:13] <Sync_> in the end it does not matter
[23:19:20] <Sync_> the surface is not good
[23:19:52] <pink_vampire> I just leave with that.
[23:21:50] <Sync_> well then don't complain about how you don't like it if you are not going to change it after all
[23:23:42] <pink_vampire> I can complain about it and live with that and also change my mind. :)
[23:26:16] <Sync_> well, all of the things are easy to change
[23:27:29] <pink_vampire> I want to move the speed control box.
[23:30:16] <pink_vampire> I have to make some room near the spindle