#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-03-04

[02:19:50] <Deejay> moin
[04:57:24] <witnit> mojn@
[04:57:29] <witnit> err ! :)
[05:58:47] <DRGray> i just made a 2d pattern in libre and converteed it with dxf2gcode and then ran it on the cnc mill
[05:58:51] <DRGray> and it ran :-)
[05:59:08] <DRGray> to me it looks like its going to run way to fast for it not to snap my end mill
[05:59:17] <DRGray> is there an easy way of just scaling down the speed?
[06:02:11] <malcom2073_> Turn down the feed rate slider if you're using axis
[06:02:33] <malcom2073_> doesn't slow down the spindle speed, but it slows down the feed
[06:09:05] <XXCoder> yeah though can always edit gcode
[06:10:37] <__rob2> mounting an encoder, anyone shed some light on what they think "Gap" is in this
[06:11:08] <__rob2> http://i.snag.gy/98Gcq.jpg
[06:12:18] <XXCoder> between disk and sensor maybe?
[06:15:45] <ReadError> says between disk and readhead
[06:17:01] <XXCoder> I guessed correctly yay heh
[06:27:11] <Sync_> well, the right drawing tells you that
[06:27:37] <Sync_> meh, can't find any information on old heds encoders
[06:28:50] <archivist> were they HP originally
[06:30:27] <Sync_> no shit
[06:30:42] <Sync_> :D
[06:31:08] <_methods> someone needs less coffee this :)
[06:33:26] <Sync_> it is one of the old ones with the 50mm codewheel
[06:33:53] <Sync_> I can find stuff on the heds6100 easily, but not on the 6210 series
[06:36:09] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=hp+Optoelectronics+designer%27s+catalog
[06:38:28] <Sync_> yeah I found that as well on archive.org
[06:39:59] <archivist> it is in the 1986
[06:42:29] <archivist> 62xx calls up 56mm body
[06:43:20] <archivist> 3 channel
[06:46:01] <Sync_> yeah, it seems to have the regular pinout
[06:50:23] <DRGray> ah ok you mean feed override?
[06:55:27] <archivist> DRGray, dxf2gcode should also have a feed setting when you create the gcode
[07:00:12] <DRGray> is there a calculator to diameter of cutter
[07:00:13] <DRGray> and speed?
[07:00:58] <_methods> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speeds_and_feeds
[07:01:28] <DRGray> also with dxf2code can you set how many layers it does for the cutting?
[07:01:46] <DRGray> So of a depth of 10mm it does a cut at each 0.5 mm? or 1mm?
[07:02:46] <DRGray> or is that something you can modify in linux cnc?
[07:04:07] <Sync_> meh
[07:04:14] <Sync_> I think I still have to take the thing apart
[07:11:54] <DRGray> FR = {RPM \times T \times CL}
[07:11:56] <DRGray> ok fair enough
[07:12:12] <DRGray> how on earth do i get the CL?
[07:13:57] <archivist> you decide a reasonable number for the tool
[07:14:50] <archivist> too littl and it rubs and does not cut, too much, it snaps
[07:16:19] <DRGray> yeah i just snapped
[07:16:32] <DRGray> im making a excel spreadsheet
[07:19:19] <archivist> !!!! open office
[07:20:14] <DRGray> excell!!!
[07:20:38] <DRGray> ive tried open office but excel just wins hands down
[07:20:51] <malcom2073_> Have you tried libreoffice?
[07:20:52] <archivist> not on a linux box
[07:20:53] <malcom2073_> segmentation is fun!
[07:21:20] <DRGray> yes true on the mac libre and open are a bit buggy
[08:00:52] <DRGray> so do you normally go for as a high a spindle speed as possible?
[08:01:22] <DRGray> and also how do you get it to cut lin layers?
[08:01:37] <malcom2073_> You got as high a spindle speed as your feed rate gets you the depth of cut that your tool size allows for :P
[08:01:46] <DRGray> yeah
[08:01:55] <DRGray> ok
[08:01:56] <DRGray> ha
[08:02:01] <gregcnc> If the spindle has enoguh power and the machine is rigid enough and the finish is good
[08:02:11] <DRGray> ok makes sense
[08:03:27] <archivist> some materials require a low speed
[08:03:51] <archivist> eg cast iron
[08:04:15] <gregcnc> we assume when SFM is below recommended at max RPM.
[08:19:46] <DRGray> its mainly aluminium
[08:19:50] <gregcnc> DRGray, with the MF70?
[08:19:51] <DRGray> but cutting small bits
[08:19:54] <DRGray> yep
[08:20:50] <DRGray> its goes up to 20k rpm which seems a little scary for such a tiny machine
[08:21:06] <gregcnc> the spindle power is low, and torque very low. if there was a plot for available spindle power it would help, but you certainly won't have 100W available at 20kRPM.
[08:21:24] <DRGray> so go with a low feed rate then
[08:22:05] <gregcnc> feed rate has to be high enough to keep the cutter cutting rather than rubbing
[08:22:18] <DRGray> yeah its hard to know how to get that balance
[08:22:20] <gregcnc> so you adjust load with depth of cut
[08:23:20] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a source for polished 200mm silicon wafers?
[08:23:27] <DRGray> yes
[08:23:29] <DRGray> i do
[08:23:36] <DRGray> i can probably source them
[08:23:59] <CaptHindsight> they can be rejects for actual electronics
[08:24:37] <DRGray> what do you need them for?
[08:24:49] <CaptHindsight> their flat surface
[08:24:54] <DRGray> how many do you need?
[08:25:05] <CaptHindsight> I can get them for ~$2.50ea
[08:25:27] <DRGray> thast probably a good deal i would go with that
[08:25:37] <CaptHindsight> sorry $4ea
[08:25:51] <DRGray> i’ve got no idea how much they cost
[08:26:39] <DRGray> if you need a few hundred i could probably get you a quote
[08:26:44] <CaptHindsight> they are mostly sand :)
[08:26:46] <DRGray> hah
[08:26:48] <DRGray> yeah
[08:26:55] <malcom2073_> Just like diamonds are mostly coal :P
[08:26:57] <gregcnc> all over ebay no?
[08:27:02] <DRGray> its the converting the sand to a flat surface
[08:27:02] <CaptHindsight> yeah it might be 100's
[08:27:36] <DRGray> im not sure if we could do a small amount but i can always ask
[08:30:03] <CaptHindsight> $4 on ebay in 25 lots
[08:37:33] <CaptHindsight> another option is smooth rice paper
[08:41:22] <lair82> Good Morning Guys, I am re-wiring the control power on my 4th axis, and was wondering about timing on pulling in the control power and the 3 phase drive power. Should I kill and reset the control power with the e-stop, I have the main 3 phase currently being controlled by the hydraulics "OK" signal, but am not sure where to fit the control into the situation?
[08:45:41] <CaptHindsight> lair82: it should kill anything that if kept running can remotely harm anyone
[08:46:44] <CaptHindsight> unless you are an "automation engineer", then e-stop should run the spindle at top speed and randomly move each axis wildly :)
[08:48:41] <gregcnc> to scare the operator to a safe location
[08:49:55] <lair82> That sounds perfect, I will go set it up that way, wait, they already step back, and hide every time I start this thing up. lol
[08:50:01] <archivist> but some machines need to be brought to a safe stop, just removing power leaves them spinning
[08:50:31] <CaptHindsight> yeah add braking if possible
[08:51:07] <CaptHindsight> Z preferably should not free fall
[08:51:39] <archivist> I was at a show and the sales droid demonstrated the stop from full speed of a stamping machine
[08:52:33] * Loetmichel2 just "pimped" the threaded blind rivet tool at work... M4 stainless rivets with less than 20cm lever is a joke... now its 60cm of aluminium tube on that. MUCH better... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16161 :-)
[08:53:22] <DRGray> or increase muscle size
[08:54:39] <FinboySlick> Come-on Loetmichel2, stop messing around and make a high-speed pneumatic version.
[08:55:50] <Loetmichel2> FinboySlick: boss will not pay for that
[08:56:06] <Loetmichel2> i already pointed him to the Pneumatic tools taht are aviable
[08:56:11] <lair82> Everything comes to a controlled stop when the estop is pressed, I didn't have any means of killing the control power on the drive, to reset faults and such, so I wired DPST relay into the control power, and wasn't 100% sure what to fire it with.
[08:56:13] <Loetmichel2> 1200 eur is too much for him
[08:56:26] <Loetmichel2> i have to do "only" 50 times 4 rivets this week tho ;)
[08:56:32] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel2: All you need is a lathe and slave labour.
[08:56:53] <Loetmichel2> and i dont want to have wrist issues afterwars
[08:59:21] <CaptHindsight> aren't there powder powered riveters?
[09:02:48] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: I'd look for another job :) sounds like you boss values profit over your fun and health
[09:02:50] <gregcnc> he needs to try the boss powered variety to expedite the order for the pneumatic
[09:04:45] <Loetmichel2> gregcnc: something like this
[09:04:47] <_methods> you can usually pick up rivet guns for dirt cheap on ebay
[09:05:19] <Loetmichel2> but seeing that the wall-naliners with powder were forbidden in germany for at least 15 years... i dont think the riveters will be allowed
[09:05:25] <Loetmichel2> nailers
[09:05:50] <Loetmichel2> _methods: not the rivet guns for the trheaded rivets
[09:05:54] <Loetmichel2> "nietmuttern"
[09:05:57] <_methods> wow you guys aren't even allowed to use powder actuated nailers
[09:05:59] <Loetmichel2> "rivet nuts"
[09:06:18] <Loetmichel2> _methods: we werent
[09:06:30] <Loetmichel2> they are now back, with a few modifications
[09:06:54] <Loetmichel2> so that they cant shoot the nail trhu "not so massive" walls when using the black cartridge
[09:07:20] <CaptHindsight> now only the terrorists have Hilti's
[09:07:21] <_methods> well you know what those crazy germans did last time they were allowed to have guns
[09:07:56] <Loetmichel2> be grateful that the boss was batshit crazy.
[09:08:18] <Loetmichel2> imagine what would have happend if he had conquered the countrys one after the other instead of all at once...
[09:09:16] <CaptHindsight> create an nation of mindless followers dedicated to preserving homeland security? er eh the fatherland
[09:09:34] <_methods> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Avdel-7525-Pneumatic-Rivet-Gun-Power-Air-Riveter-900-RPM-Rivnut-Tool-/360956160649?hash=item540aa9ea89:g:AmwAAOxy9dVTk2Sa
[09:10:34] <Loetmichel2> _methods: seems like that tool is missing half of the mechanics
[09:10:41] <_methods> once charlie sheen comes on as trump's vp the takeover will be complete
[09:10:48] <_methods> trump and sheen 2016
[09:10:51] <_methods> WINNING
[09:11:08] <_methods> they're going to win so much america will have aids
[09:11:26] <Loetmichel2> yeah, talking of batshit crazy trump HAS to be mentoined, right ;)
[09:11:28] <CaptHindsight> that would be awesome!
[09:12:04] <CaptHindsight> and a hooker in every hallway
[09:12:14] <_methods> one step closer to fulfilling mike judge's documentary
[09:12:22] <_methods> idiocracy
[09:12:34] <Loetmichel2> idiocracy?
[09:12:38] <_methods> indeed
[09:12:40] <Loetmichel2> hehe
[09:13:07] <Loetmichel2> he already looks like he could have starred for a role in that film
[09:13:07] <CaptHindsight> I look forward to visiting the new starbucks
[09:13:47] <_methods> hahah
[09:14:51] <FinboySlick> My take about Trump is: If you guys are going to hire a terrible person as president, why not go all the way?
[09:15:10] <CaptHindsight> exactly
[09:15:39] <FinboySlick> Honestly, if you look closely at every other candidate, a good case could be made that he's the lesser evil, and that's a pretty damn sad statement to make.
[09:16:18] <CaptHindsight> some people (nations, addicts, alcoholics, etc) have to hit rock bottom before they decide to get help for their problems
[09:17:12] <CaptHindsight> it might be the only way to get people to face reality and change
[09:17:18] <_methods> hahah
[09:17:35] <_methods> we're going to win so much we're going to beg him to stop winning
[09:17:41] <_methods> especially with sheen as his vp
[09:17:52] <FinboySlick> I'm pretty amused with what a terrible monkey wrench he threw in the republican party's 'selection' process. They usually starve the candidates they don't want on the finances or PR fronts. Trump is impervious to both these things.
[09:18:00] <_methods> fill the white house with titties and brawndo
[09:18:40] <_methods> vanilla ice for the press secretary
[09:19:14] <_methods> i was researching leaving the country
[09:19:16] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNsCwg5MxP0 election night 2016!
[09:19:17] <FinboySlick> I think it's worth it if only for the horrible beating the 'two party' system is going to get.
[09:19:23] <_methods> but now i don't want to give up my front row seat for this stupidity
[09:20:09] <FinboySlick> Reminds me of the Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."
[09:21:30] <_methods> that "debate" last night was hilarious
[09:21:41] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: if you need more immigrants maybe you could loosen the rules up a bit for us :)
[09:22:09] <_methods> i wonder if they'll let me in denmark
[09:22:11] <_methods> i like it there
[09:22:30] <malcom2073_> Canada is accepting libral applicants
[09:22:33] <malcom2073_> liberal*
[09:22:47] <CaptHindsight> TomP just move to Thailand
[09:22:51] <CaptHindsight> moved
[09:23:05] <_methods> i love thailand too
[09:23:11] <CaptHindsight> warm, sunny, elephants...
[09:23:15] <_methods> amen
[09:23:31] <gregcnc> _methods trump will fix that for you https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-wants-to-make-america-more-like-denmark/2016/03/02/6bfc935e-dfd9-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html
[09:23:31] <_methods> scorpions
[09:23:54] <_methods> trump is going to fix everything
[09:24:00] <_methods> but that is the part i'm scared of
[09:24:11] <_methods> he can't even fix his own hair
[09:24:42] <gregcnc> don't worry word on the web is that he'll be assassinated before he breaks everything
[09:24:51] <CaptHindsight> nah, Denmark has it's problems as well, just watch a few episodes of Borgen
[09:24:54] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Heh, I think I'd consider Trump over Trudeau. At least with Trump, people are generally aware of how terribly evil the leader is.
[09:25:12] <malcom2073_> gregcnc: That's what the internet said about obama
[09:25:27] <gregcnc> yeah and it all turned out fine
[09:25:41] <gregcnc> how bad can it get
[09:25:45] <malcom2073_> well... fine-ish
[09:25:48] <gregcnc> sorry how good can it get
[09:25:58] <malcom2073_> If you're poor or rich, it'll only get better
[09:26:06] <malcom2073_> if you're middle class, you're screwed for the next 20 year sheh
[09:26:37] <CaptHindsight> Drumph 2016
[09:27:34] <gregcnc> I saw GE is selling the appliance division to Haier
[09:27:44] <CaptHindsight> makes sense
[09:28:15] <CaptHindsight> i was looking at appliances here just the other day
[09:28:16] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[09:28:23] <maxcnc> is the psha log down
[09:28:33] <skunkworks> zlog
[09:28:41] <CaptHindsight> it's amazing what you can make with foil and sheet plastic
[09:28:57] <maxcnc> Thanks
[09:29:07] <skunkworks> I have had to fix our newish LG 3 times so far.
[09:29:19] <skunkworks> (dishwasher)
[09:29:36] <skunkworks> the cloth washer and dryer have been working great.
[09:29:52] <gregcnc> i have a samsung DW that's just as crappy
[09:31:09] <CaptHindsight> well when that wall comes up on the California coast that problem will be solved
[09:31:17] <CaptHindsight> no more China junk
[09:31:50] <CaptHindsight> we can go back to washing machines made from 2" steel plate
[09:32:16] <_methods> hehe my washer and dryer are old kenmore's from the 70's
[09:32:18] <_methods> still kickin
[09:32:28] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: on S wood floors not alowed ;-)
[09:32:36] <_methods> i just had to replace the tub seal on the washer
[09:33:07] <CaptHindsight> is Drump pro oil or renewables?
[09:33:20] <CaptHindsight> i forget
[09:33:32] <maxcnc> as the best money comes out tr will go for it
[09:33:35] <_methods> pretty sure he plays both sides on everything
[09:33:48] <_methods> except winning
[09:33:52] <_methods> he only wins
[09:33:55] <_methods> no losing
[09:33:56] <maxcnc> Texas makes more mooney on green stuff then on oil
[09:34:06] <CaptHindsight> uhmerika f*ck yeah!
[09:34:43] <maxcnc> today ive seen the cool rubbery on US weapon salesman
[09:34:44] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk
[09:35:10] <maxcnc> 10 people and a truck pulle the hell out of the shop
[09:36:04] <_methods> forgot how funny that movie was
[09:36:18] <maxcnc> ok im closing down early today no head in the shop waterpipe breke and lots of fresh snow made my day
[09:36:19] <CaptHindsight> Change!
[09:36:39] <maxcnc> Gn8
[09:42:28] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6j-LRah3ao Separation of Iron and Aluminium milling chips
[09:47:18] * SpeedEvil ponders.
[09:47:53] <SpeedEvil> There exist plastic recyclers that go to reusable PLA/...
[09:48:06] <SpeedEvil> I wonder about steel chips to steel wire.
[09:48:17] <SpeedEvil> (suitable for TIG/...)
[09:49:41] <Sync_> steel already is mostly recycled
[09:51:21] <Sync_> which turns out to be a problem for modern cars
[09:51:38] <_methods> they use steel in cars?
[09:51:46] <_methods> i thought they were all plastic now
[09:52:07] <_methods> :)
[09:52:25] <CaptHindsight> _methods: the enclosure for the ECU blackbox is steel
[09:52:46] <_methods> hehe
[09:52:52] <CaptHindsight> aluminum cools too quickly
[09:53:05] <Sync_> yes, all cars are made from plastic now.
[09:53:57] <CaptHindsight> where is my plastic self driving car?
[09:54:02] <Sync_> the problem is, ultra high strength steel is sensitive to the copper content
[09:54:25] <Sync_> it sits at the grain boundary and weakens the steel
[09:54:59] <CaptHindsight> is all cars were thermoplastic then they can be easily recycled
[09:55:22] <CaptHindsight> therefor i expect them all to be made mostly from thermosets
[09:55:57] <Sync_> they'd probably be made from fiber reinforced stuff
[09:56:11] <CaptHindsight> paper
[09:56:34] <CaptHindsight> so they can't be made to last
[09:56:44] <_methods> soy beans
[09:57:09] <CaptHindsight> tofu cars
[09:57:20] <_methods> pretty sure ford tried that at one point
[09:57:23] <_methods> or one of the car makers
[09:57:28] <_methods> can't remember who
[09:57:31] <CaptHindsight> soy based polymers
[09:57:35] <SpeedEvil> Sync_: interesting
[09:57:52] <SpeedEvil> Sync_: where is copper from? Just poorly cleaned steel or is it ever an intentional alloying element?
[09:57:56] <_methods> yeah it was ford
[09:58:12] <_methods> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean_car
[09:58:13] <SpeedEvil> I do know copper/iron is shit
[09:58:18] <CaptHindsight> plant based epoxies
[09:58:18] <Sync_> SpeedEvil: wiring looms
[09:58:33] <SpeedEvil> ah - so yes poor cleaning
[09:58:37] <Sync_> no
[09:58:45] <SpeedEvil> I guess mechanical methods don't sort it.
[09:58:45] <Sync_> nobody will strip the wiring looms from scrap cars
[09:58:51] <SpeedEvil> that's what I mean
[09:59:00] <Sync_> they are just getting pressed
[09:59:09] <CaptHindsight> change to steel wire for the electrical
[09:59:16] <SpeedEvil> yes, but then they get chipped don't they mostly
[09:59:29] <SpeedEvil> and sorted
[09:59:52] <SpeedEvil> Or am I thinking more of the aluminium stream from cars
[10:00:28] <Sync_> no
[10:00:33] <Sync_> for cooling you need them as blocks
[10:00:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.docbrown.info/page04/Mextractc.htm
[10:00:45] <SpeedEvil> Sync_: Ah
[10:01:44] <Sync_> if you just sprinkle steel in there, nothing is going to happen
[10:02:55] <CaptHindsight> _methods: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/p8nPPROuV8Q/maxresdefault.jpg
[10:03:32] <_methods> hahahahha
[10:03:43] <_methods> damn amc already did the press work for them
[10:26:44] <swarfer> how does one change the angles that the isometric view in Axis displays at? I want to build n XY-UV hot wire foam cutter but cannot get the display to scroll to an angle that makes sense
[10:27:04] <swarfer> also, how can I change th distance between the displayed XY and UV axes?
[10:27:42] <swarfer> googled all over an dhave not found a way..
[10:31:52] <_methods> i don't think axis will do that
[10:32:17] <skunkworks> axis does have a xy-uv mode...
[10:32:22] <_methods> ah
[10:32:28] <skunkworks> But I cannot help with the perspective...
[10:32:46] <_methods> oh yeah axis_foam
[10:32:53] <swarfer> yeah, i wa smessing with the axis foam sim setup to see what it can do
[10:33:26] <Roguish> a true isometric view has set view angles. check your graphics standards. there is also a 'trimetric' view, and other.
[10:34:00] <swarfer> but it still keeps an idea of a Z and will only rotate around Z but I cannot get Z to rotate to the left
[10:34:35] <swarfer> since I cannot scroll to the angles I want, I thought that maybe I can hack the 'isometric' button to set it for me
[10:34:46] <Roguish> you can always look deep into the source code. it's the pleasure of opensource software.
[10:35:07] <swarfer> hehe, yeah, was hoping for a setup option
[10:35:30] <Roguish> create one...... others might appreciate it too.
[10:35:55] <Roguish> couple of boxes to fill in desired angles. would be cool.
[10:36:12] <swarfer> either that or .ini file options for it
[10:36:29] <Roguish> exactly
[11:02:08] <DRGray> ok so on DXF2GODE, ive set my final mill depth at 2.0 and my infeed depth at 0.5, so will that mean it will mill it in 4 layers?
[11:10:20] <archivist> cut air to see
[11:12:35] <malcom2073_> Also, load it in axis and look at the backplot
[11:14:35] <CaptHindsight> does anyone use gmoccapy vs axis? I haven't had time to play with its customization
[11:33:24] <DRGray> im having a special moment at the moment at cutting in the air
[11:33:53] <DRGray> i keep tool touch off in the air then touch off on the work bit, but then it keeps going down
[11:33:56] <DRGray> bizare
[11:37:17] <archivist> you said touch off twice in that sentence, did you mean that
[11:37:35] <DRGray> tool touch off
[11:37:39] <DRGray> and then touch off.
[11:37:43] <DRGray> i have two buttons
[11:37:53] <DRGray> i thought i had a tool touch off point
[11:37:59] <DRGray> then i touch the tool on the work piece
[11:39:42] <DRGray> erm ok i just did a touch off then did it in air
[11:39:50] <DRGray> but still dont seem to of cut it in layers
[11:39:57] <DRGray> just did one pass
[11:40:29] <DRGray> i really thought a zinfeed depth of 0.5 and a final mill depth of z would do 4 passes
[11:40:34] <DRGray> going down 0.5mm each time
[11:41:00] <archivist> is something thinking in inches
[11:41:25] <DRGray> i dont think so
[11:41:36] <DRGray> maybe i just dont understand dxf2gcode
[11:43:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kuka-Roboter-Welding-Robot-Arm-No-Controller-INV-18660/231650105238 "NO CANADIANS."
[11:45:47] <DRGray> i just need one as a pet
[11:45:51] <DRGray> serve me coffee
[11:46:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOTOMAN-WELDING-ROBOT-YRFL-NNA10G/322013108552 $1200
[11:46:22] <malcom2073_> Eh, ssi found a bunch for $800 each a while back
[11:46:24] <CaptHindsight> will they kill in my sleep and eat my medicine?
[11:47:02] <DRGray> I built a small arm last year
[11:47:08] <DRGray> i need to build a new one this year
[11:47:20] <DRGray> trying to think if i can use linux cnc to control everything
[11:49:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Computer-Motion-Zeus-Robotic-Surgical-System-Robot-AESOP-3000-/361211702158 $1999
[11:50:18] <CaptHindsight> instructions and surgeon not included
[11:54:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermax-Model-Max-1-Rebel-CNC-Machining-Center-20-ATC-with-Fanuc-OM-Control-/182043310446 $1995
[11:55:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-MV-35-40-with-Yasnac-MX-1-Contol-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-/131730227551 $4500 or best
[11:56:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANSVEDT-EDM-MACHINE-Model-SM-150B-/252193417239 $1280 or best
[11:57:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raycon-EDM-machine-/181996722801 $1250 or best
[11:59:14] <CaptHindsight> wow http://www.ebay.com/itm/KITAMURA-MYCENTER-1-CNC-VMC-1-/252305632649 $950
[12:00:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shopmaster-Tri-Power-Bridgemill-with-CNC/301886543701 $500
[12:02:27] <malcom2073_> That's a damn good deal
[12:02:45] <malcom2073_> Get a couple of small ballscrews and turn that into a CNC
[12:02:59] <malcom2073_> Bet you could sell it as a working CNC for acouple grand, people go nuts for small cnc machines
[12:03:35] <CaptHindsight> easy delivered up 4 flights of stairs
[12:04:19] <Sync_> wtf is that
[12:05:49] <Sync_> all of those edm machines are just sinkers
[12:05:56] <Sync_> not worth a lot
[12:06:16] <CaptHindsight> are you a wire edm fanboy? :)
[12:07:20] <Sync_> well, wire edm is more useful for general stuff than a sinker besides start holes
[12:07:50] <CaptHindsight> I'd use a sinker far more often
[12:08:50] <CaptHindsight> just like I rarely need a lathe, and others use them far more often than their mill
[12:09:02] <Sync_> it depends, for sinkers you have to machine a lot of custom tooling
[12:10:27] <Sync_> although WCu machines nicely, it is annoying
[12:10:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Agie-100D-Wire-EDM-/191814956718 $3900 or best
[12:11:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-SX-10-CNC-WIRE-EDM-MACHINE-95-AUTO-THREAD-AUTO-WIRE-CHOPPER-6-000/252108084215 $2900 or best
[12:12:38] <CaptHindsight> 2 for 1 http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Mitsubishi-DWC-90G-Wire-EDM-Machine-1-running-1-for-parts/161991026125 $2890 or best
[12:13:38] <CaptHindsight> thats a great deal
[12:14:15] <CaptHindsight> I need a laser micrometer accurate to <1um for $100
[12:24:48] <RadicalDev> Anyone have suggestions on how to fix a hole that was drilled at an angle into some mild steel?
[12:25:25] <SpeedEvil> RadicalDev: hole-saw it out, and then weld the hole back in at the right angle.
[12:26:08] <SpeedEvil> More seriously - details - there are many solutions from welding the hole up and re-doing to drilling a bigger hole, and inserting a plug
[12:27:28] <RadicalDev> The hole was drilled into the crankshaft on an old VW diesel engine for the purpose of inserting pins to prevent the keyway from shearing off again
[12:28:14] <RadicalDev> it's about 3/8th deep and 0.191" diameter. I could probably enlarge it up to .202 without much trouble
[12:28:42] <SpeedEvil> If .202 will get you centred again - that's probably the easiest way
[12:29:01] <SpeedEvil> ^straight
[12:30:26] <_methods> weld it up
[12:31:17] <SpeedEvil> Possibly need to drill it out a bit more before welding it up
[12:31:33] <archivist> how old might be cast iron, dont weld
[12:31:45] <SpeedEvil> cast iron cranks?
[12:31:46] <_methods> he said mild steel
[12:31:47] <SpeedEvil> really?
[12:31:58] <SpeedEvil> Also - why is the keyway shearing
[12:32:09] <_methods> ^^
[12:32:12] <SpeedEvil> are you trying to boost it when it's not designed to?
[12:32:27] <FinboySlick> Please say it's because he installed 4 turbos and a NoS kit.
[12:32:38] <_methods> hahah
[12:32:45] <archivist> a deseasal !
[12:32:53] <RadicalDev> It's not my vehicle. My boss bought a suzuki sidekick with a diesel conversion kit. Somehow the keyway sheared.
[12:33:14] <_methods> the key or the keywa?
[12:33:17] <_methods> keyway?
[12:33:37] <archivist> front pulley?
[12:33:50] <RadicalDev> both. The key on the original hub was sheared completely off., The keyway is pretty messed up, too.
[12:34:00] <SpeedEvil> Which brings us back to 'why did the keyway shear' probably and thence to 'why did someone replace it with a hardened key'
[12:34:00] <Sync_> just get another crank
[12:34:11] <_methods> i'd weld up the shaft and recut the keyway
[12:34:19] <_methods> or just get another lol
[12:34:58] <FinboySlick> I'm picturing that sidekick towing a 30' slipstream trailer.
[12:35:32] <RadicalDev> I think the pulley is cast. It's extremely soft.
[12:35:56] <RadicalDev> and the chips are like powder
[12:36:25] <CaptHindsight> oh then just glue it back together :)
[12:36:30] <RadicalDev> lol
[12:36:54] <archivist> the pulley is probably a damper but faulty thus causing the keyway damage
[12:37:01] <FinboySlick> Re-make every part that breaks in iconel until you're down to the connecting rods.
[12:37:40] <CaptHindsight> replace the engine with a smallblock Chevy
[12:37:50] <FinboySlick> The Sidekick with the 300 000$ drivetrain.
[12:38:04] <_methods> wtf is the sidekick?
[12:38:07] <_methods> is that like the samurai
[12:38:14] <FinboySlick> Successor to the samurai.
[12:38:23] <_methods> ah
[12:38:45] <FinboySlick> Rounder, less prone to tip over, but much less fun offroad.
[12:39:03] <RadicalDev> I've never had a samurai, but the sidekick has been pretty fun offroad so far.
[12:39:09] <FinboySlick> The typical conversions I've seen were to put in a Suzuki Sprint engine in 'em.
[12:39:19] <CaptHindsight> thats a feature for easy undercarriage repairs in the field
[12:40:18] <FinboySlick> I've had many adventures in my friend's Samurai in my younger days.
[12:45:04] <maxcnc> Good evening from Germany
[12:47:46] <_methods> i think pete has one of those samurais
[12:48:29] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: ist der Hund lose
[12:48:58] <maxcnc> i got no dog
[12:49:07] <maxcnc> just cat's around here
[12:49:27] <FinboySlick> _methods: Pete is a good man, despite his lathe handicap.
[12:49:58] <_methods> hahah
[12:50:03] <_methods> he has a lathe
[12:50:06] <_methods> just doesn't work
[12:50:29] <FinboySlick> Well, the man in the wheelchair has legs, they just don't work.
[12:50:29] <_methods> and he has a mill
[12:50:39] <CaptHindsight> boatanchor lathe
[12:50:42] <_methods> but the toolchanger don't work
[12:50:43] <_methods> hahahah
[12:50:53] <_methods> poor pete
[12:52:13] <CaptHindsight> except for the people, bad weather, snakes, alligators, mosquitoes, and humidity I like Florida
[12:52:17] <FinboySlick> I'm glad my Sherline lathe works, else I wouldn't be able to pick on him.
[12:52:36] <_methods> i'd still pick on him
[12:52:52] <_methods> he likes it
[12:53:39] <CaptHindsight> same for Georgia but add odor to the list
[12:53:57] <CaptHindsight> but maybe it's just Atlanta
[12:54:04] <_methods> it's definitely atlanta
[12:54:19] <_methods> i just love the weather down here
[12:54:22] <_methods> it's 70 today
[12:54:25] <CaptHindsight> is it me or does Atlanta smell like a bathroom?
[12:54:34] <_methods> you poor bastards are probably still under snow
[12:54:58] <CaptHindsight> snow later today but 60's on Sunday, was 5F at 5am today
[12:55:07] <_methods> yoikes
[12:55:26] <CaptHindsight> 50's all week, bust out the tanning lotion
[12:58:22] <FinboySlick> It was -18 last night.
[12:58:27] <gregcnc> chicago only has winter and summer
[12:58:44] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: and bad weather in between :)
[12:58:50] <FinboySlick> gregcnc: Don't sell yourself short, Chicago also has lots of corruption.
[12:59:23] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: it depends on how much you're willing to pay
[12:59:48] <FinboySlick> Hehe.
[13:00:34] <CaptHindsight> people used to complain when the cost of bribes would go up
[13:01:30] <CaptHindsight> it was handy
[13:02:18] <CaptHindsight> you could skip things like having to go down to city hall to get building permits, new sidewalks, street lights etc
[13:02:40] <CaptHindsight> you'd go visit your local alderman
[13:03:35] <CaptHindsight> so I had heard
[13:03:44] <FinboySlick> Well, you have to hand it to the mob: They're better run than the government, the price of failure is higher.
[13:04:28] <CaptHindsight> the Chicago model spread to Washington
[13:04:53] <CaptHindsight> the real brilliance was just buying new laws
[13:05:25] <FinboySlick> Isn't Obama from Chicago?
[13:05:40] <FinboySlick> Either that or Kenya ;)
[13:06:33] <CaptHindsight> isn't Chicago in Kenya or did he marry Kim K?
[13:07:52] <FinboySlick> The cynicism is only half funny. Laughing about it to make up for the sense of despair :P
[13:08:26] <CaptHindsight> if you can't beat em join em
[13:09:11] <CaptHindsight> my spaceship should be back to pick me up any decade now
[13:09:59] <FinboySlick> You take any hitchhikers? I've got my towel, beer and peanuts.
[13:10:39] <CaptHindsight> they have those on board, along with zirguts and plebnetz
[13:11:48] <CaptHindsight> I wonder how they will write about this time in history
[13:11:57] <CaptHindsight> maybe they will just skip it
[13:12:12] <gregcnc> you know I wonder the same thing
[13:12:22] <FinboySlick> History is written by the winners. And they might not know how to write by then.
[13:13:05] <gregcnc> History will be sponsored by Brawndo
[13:13:46] <CaptHindsight> ok it's either back to work or it's beer/scotch time
[13:31:41] <_methods> it's got 'lectrolytes
[13:37:53] <FloppyDisk> beer/scotch sounds good to me.
[13:40:17] <gregcnc> coffee here
[13:40:36] <_methods> ah speaking of which time to reload my coffee
[13:41:29] <gregcnc> anyone know what the set screw size in PCM tap collets is? I suspect 4-48
[13:41:36] <gregcnc> er16
[13:41:52] <_methods> sorry not off the top of my head
[13:42:21] <gregcnc> measures to no 4 but 4-40 it's not
[13:42:41] <gregcnc> nor M3
[13:42:58] <_methods> gotta love the mystery threads
[13:45:22] <Jymmm> What's the thread size of a paint's pole =)
[13:45:30] <Jymmm> painter's pole*
[13:46:15] <_methods> 3/4x5?
[13:46:20] <roycroft> 3/4" either 4tpi or 5tpi
[13:46:25] <roycroft> it varies
[13:46:36] <roycroft> i think 5tpi is most common
[13:46:58] <_methods> i heard Jymmm is only 3 though
[13:47:04] <Jymmm> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/broom-stick-threads-234718/
[13:47:30] <maxcnc> greg that seams to be the PC tread thats always triggi
[13:48:14] <maxcnc> ok im off Gn8 has been a long cold day here getting warmer tonight as it has been the whole day
[13:48:15] <Jymmm> roycroft: Yeah, just another "mystery thread" is all =)
[13:48:50] <Jymmm> unlike soda bottle threads =)
[13:50:50] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2O58QfObus
[13:50:56] <_methods> monkey cyborg
[13:52:02] <CaptHindsight> on my planet we use humans for that
[13:52:14] <_methods> when is your ship coming to retrive you?
[13:52:21] <_methods> make sure you take donald with you
[13:52:23] <CaptHindsight> because they poop less often
[13:53:08] <CaptHindsight> why do you think Donald is here?
[13:53:22] <CaptHindsight> you think anywhere else wants him?
[13:53:24] <_methods> at least take him to altitude and release him
[13:58:04] <CaptHindsight> the space records show that sometime in the 2030's it was discovered that orange hair dye was the cause of his illness
[13:58:50] <_methods> buwhahaha
[14:15:38] <anomynou1> whats a chinese site where i can buy a 10" ebook reader?
[14:15:39] <anomynou1> :D
[14:16:22] <[cube]> anomynou1: gearbest.com
[14:16:59] <anomynou1> thanks
[14:17:03] <[cube]> np
[14:18:36] <anomynou1> ebook reader search yielded http://www.gearbest.com/tablet-pcs/pp_299987.html which is closest
[14:18:39] <anomynou1> :D
[14:18:45] <anomynou1> no eink displays
[14:18:50] <[cube]> ah
[14:18:58] <[cube]> they had some $40 tablets
[14:19:01] <[cube]> android
[14:19:28] <anomynou1> id prefer eink
[14:19:32] <anomynou1> :[
[14:19:45] <anomynou1> cant seem to find. I found some at alibaba but i dont want to buy 2000 pieces
[14:21:00] <MrSunshine_> http://www.directindustry.com/prod/vibrostop-srl/product-28243-1243525.html thats frekkin awesome =)
[14:21:49] <[cube]> try aliexpress
[14:22:09] <[cube]> anomynou1: http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20160304115521&SearchText=e-ink
[14:22:46] <[cube]> neat, MrSunshine_
[14:22:52] <anomynou1> thanks again =)
[14:24:12] <TAPit> Can a Python script feed a G0 X0 Y0 command to LinuxCNC?
[14:28:27] <TAPit> For example we would like to put a HOME button in axis and when that is pressed, if the machine is not running, send G0 X0 Y0 to the motion controller. Any ideas?
[14:31:42] <TAPit> Has anyone written a state machine into a python program for use under linuxcnc to control various peripherals?
[14:32:48] <Simonious> I think I ask this every three days.. where is linuxCNC at with tool changers?
[14:33:09] <Simonious> I don't have the need now, but I'm thinking about the future.
[14:33:59] <cradek> linuxcnc can be configured to run any kind of tool changer
[14:46:02] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Adding_Custom_MDI_Buttons
[14:46:55] <Simonious> eh.. I really should figure out how to use the pendant
[14:47:02] <Simonious> I can use it to position and home.. and that's it
[14:47:19] <Simonious> it probably isn't configured much past that
[15:17:08] <Crom> I have a lathe for sale 1945 Sheldon 10" w 4 jaw chuck qctp, taper attachment live center, jacobs 6a drill chuck $500 pickup only Temecula CA
[15:18:01] <Crom> forward swith works fine reverse start has issues.. probably something in the switch
[15:19:14] <Crom> pictures on yahoo group for sheldon lathes RobiSydney user
[15:22:03] <Simonious> so in solidworks I'm looking at a sketch and I want to linear pattern the dot that defines a hole from hole wizard, but when I select the point it is grabbing a line endpoint instead - is there a way to cycle to the point I want?
[15:23:36] <_methods> i think if you right click on it
[15:23:39] <_methods> and select other
[15:25:04] * Simonious shrug
[15:25:07] <Simonious> not seeing that
[15:25:20] <_methods> are you in the sketch for the hole wizard?
[15:25:25] <Simonious> yes
[15:25:47] <_methods> and you don't want to just do a linear pattern of the feature?
[15:26:14] <Simonious> I'm conflicted about it.. I'd like to do a feature pattern, because those are a lot easier to change later it seems
[15:26:31] <_methods> that would be the recommended way to do it
[15:26:37] <Simonious> so.. if I'm going to do it in the sketch I think I'll skip the pattern tool and set it up with relations
[15:26:48] <_methods> set up what?
[15:26:53] <Simonious> the pattern
[15:27:00] <_methods> oh
[15:27:09] <_methods> so you want to do the pattern as a sketch
[15:27:17] <Simonious> eh.. I'm learning, I don't know what I want.
[15:27:22] <_methods> if that's the case i wouldn't do the pattern in the hole wizard
[15:27:57] <Simonious> you make an interesting point
[15:28:05] <Simonious> I'll try that route and see if it shakes out better
[15:29:28] <_methods> i'd draw the sketch separate
[15:29:51] <_methods> then in hole wizard use the points from that sketch
[15:30:29] <_methods> for the hole wizard locations
[15:31:08] <_methods> well hole wizard "positions"
[15:31:15] <Simonious> I can draw points in a sketch?
[15:31:18] <_methods> yes
[15:31:36] <_methods> it is under sketch entities
[15:31:49] <_methods> and it should be just a little point symbol in your toolbar
[15:32:23] <Simonious> May have to add that one to the toolbar
[15:32:44] <_methods> if you're toolbar is set up stock it will be in the lower right corner of the box with line and rectangle and all that stuff in it
[15:32:51] <_methods> s/you're/your
[15:33:03] <_methods> under the A
[15:33:07] <_methods> and next to fillet
[15:33:22] <Simonious> guess not :P
[15:33:52] <_methods> well then just go to tools>sketch entities> point
[15:33:59] <Simonious> did that :)
[15:45:56] <DRGray> anybody have experience with dxf2gcode?
[15:51:56] <_methods> just ask
[15:53:29] <Tom_itx> he just did
[15:54:08] <Crom> couldn't get it working
[15:54:34] <DRGray> heh
[15:54:45] <DRGray> i can get it working just not much documentation on it
[15:55:13] <DRGray> im just trying to get it to cut in layers, say if i cut a circle, do 0.5m depth at a time
[15:55:44] <yasnak> http://imgur.com/rqHzyaw
[15:55:56] <yasnak> When people are learning how to use guide bushings
[15:59:37] <gregcnc> a bit to al dente for my taste
[16:06:49] <DRGray> i found this tutorial
[16:06:50] <DRGray> http://www.timelab.org/sites/all/files/Tutorial%20BIGBLACK01%20milling%20machine.pdf
[16:06:57] <DRGray> it has answered a few of my questions
[16:31:25] <Magnifikus> why does my bleeding has to see pronterface on a mill
[16:31:31] <Magnifikus> eye
[16:42:26] <Crom> tmpfs 1930020 0 1930020 0% /run/shm
[16:42:26] <Crom> // 1465136032 1463437756 1698276 100% /media/smb
[16:42:39] <Crom> mount at bootup
[16:47:22] <Deejay> gn8
[17:06:35] <CaptHindsight> the worlds most intuitive CNC ever imagined http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--qPIdHz1sdc/UmQ1Hy0rXyI/AAAAAAAAAzQ/A_zslffA6zw/s1600/printerface.png
[17:07:04] <CaptHindsight> what GUI can come close?
[17:10:35] <CaptHindsight> why come ACE hardware doesn't have #12-24 machine screws?
[17:20:29] <Lowridah> how many millimeters is that
[17:22:09] <CaptHindsight> Lowridah: they come in all sorts of lengths :p
[17:22:42] <cradek> that's a very rare thread
[17:23:32] <cradek> did you try M6x1?
[17:23:35] <CaptHindsight> Home Depot carries them
[17:23:54] <cradek> that's really surprising
[17:24:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Crown-Bolt-12-24-x-2-1-2-in-Phillips-Slotted-Round-Head-Machine-Screws-2-Pack-45121/202707283
[17:26:13] <CaptHindsight> hasta banana, snow tonight and then 60's and sun
[17:36:38] <Erant> Yeah, ACE goes #10 -> 1/4"
[17:41:02] <membiblio> _methods - thanks for the link - very cool and informative :)
[17:42:31] <membiblio> DrGray - I use dxf2gcode - it does cut layers naturally - one cut then another deeper, etc.
[17:42:44] <DRGray> yeah
[17:42:55] <DRGray> membiblio: i haent quite got the hang of it
[17:43:00] <DRGray> i think i know what to do now
[17:43:12] <DRGray> i’ll try generating some new files with it
[17:43:18] <membiblio> I just feed in dxf and out pops gcode.
[17:43:36] <membiblio> Have you make dxf2gcode run? It is just a python script.
[17:43:40] <DRGray> name your layers
[17:43:46] <DRGray> yeah ive got it running
[17:43:57] <DRGray> ive generated g code from it
[17:44:01] <DRGray> just didnt quite work
[17:44:06] <membiblio> what did not work?
[17:44:14] <DRGray> i was having problems getting to to cut then cut deeper
[17:44:41] <membiblio> Ok - it seems to do that for me naturally - I never asked it to do it.
[17:44:58] <DRGray> i thought if if put MILL: 1 Md: 2 Sd: 0.5 FeedXY: 400 FeedZ: 200
[17:45:12] <DRGray> it would mill 2mm deep in .5mm increments
[17:45:25] <DRGray> it just did it in one pass though
[17:45:33] <membiblio> Gotcha - on Monday I will copy out our instructions and send to you.
[17:45:47] <DRGray> that would be great
[17:46:07] <membiblio> Sorry I can't do that now but I'm at home or I would. I have backups of everything except that one single thing. (Figures...) :)
[17:46:08] <DRGray> ill be back at work then where it is
[17:46:15] <DRGray> hah yeah
[17:46:37] <membiblio> Ok I will look for you monday. Have a great weekend.
[17:47:52] <andypugh> How to make a thin, accurate 12mm washer to space a pair of AC bearings?
[17:48:30] <andypugh> Might be a job for a super-glue chuck.
[17:49:18] <DRGray> you to thanks :-)
[17:52:08] <Sync_> andypugh: magnetic chuck
[17:52:31] <andypugh> I have one, but doubt it would hold well enough for turning
[17:52:39] <Sync_> it usually does
[18:07:47] <andypugh> I have only ever used them for grinding.
[18:11:03] <CaptHindsight> Woot! Mu nuts arrived from China!
[18:13:08] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Don't let your wife/gf find out!!!!
[18:16:08] <CaptHindsight> for the next few days I will only speak in setups for punchlines
[18:16:34] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: GIT ER DONE!!!
[18:17:23] <Jymmm> SMT resistor 103 == 10K ?
[18:19:29] <andypugh> Yes
[18:19:39] <Jymmm> ty
[18:19:40] <andypugh> 10-and-three-zeros
[18:20:26] <Jymmm> I dont normally work with SMD's so want to make sure the nomenclature is still the same.
[18:21:07] <andypugh> If in doubt, check with a multimeter
[18:21:27] <Jymmm> k
[18:23:55] <Jymmm> andypugh: heh, meter it out, hell I can't see the '103' without a 10x loupe =)
[18:24:40] <Jymmm> ...and I used to work on microelectronics under scope for 8+ hours a night, now can't see tiny crap for nuttin =(
[18:24:43] <andypugh> You need tweezer-probes
[18:25:11] <Jymmm> I have some dental probes I ust got, need to find my hook clipsnow.
[18:25:39] <andypugh> I used to engrave 8-digit serial numbers in the wall thickness of sectioned 3mm brass tube.
[18:26:04] <andypugh> I probably couldn’t see the tube sections now :-/
[18:26:26] <andypugh> (Transmission electron microscope samples)
[18:29:19] <Sync_> we use a laser for that now
[20:25:42] <pink_vampire> hola!
[20:26:03] <pink_vampire> morning!!
[20:36:59] <yasnak> evening
[20:44:00] <os1r1s> Evening
[20:51:55] <pink_vampire> here is also dark outside..
[20:52:09] <pink_vampire> but I'm a vampire :)
[21:04:02] <XXCoder> hey red stuff eater
[21:13:28] <pink_vampire|2> XXCoder: ?
[21:13:34] <malcom2073_> Haha
[21:49:30] <pink_vampire|2> I need 5 axis machine :(
[21:49:39] <pink_vampire|2> or better idea
[21:51:18] <Sync_> probably the latter
[21:51:35] <XXCoder> what do you wanted to do?
[21:52:11] <pink_vampire|2> one sec
[22:13:19] <witnit> https://images.chesscomfiles.com/uploads/images_users/tiny_mce/MikeKlein/phpdB6881.jpeg
[22:19:38] <XXCoder> witnit: failed to load
[22:19:55] <witnit> timed out I figure
[22:20:08] <XXCoder> nah it says failed to secure connection
[22:26:09] <XXCoder> it now loads
[22:26:16] <XXCoder> I guess it was server gliych or somethnbg
[22:26:25] <XXCoder> 2 guys on chess
[22:38:21] <pink_vampire|2> DONE
[22:38:30] <pink_vampire|2> I have no idea how to make it.
[22:38:41] <witnit> longest second evvverr :)
[22:39:05] <XXCoder> nah it was what just almost hour. just couple seconds! ;)
[22:40:29] <pink_vampire|2> here is the part
[22:41:21] <pink_vampire|2> imgur errr
[22:41:42] <pink_vampire|2> http://i.imgur.com/wX0labW.png
[22:41:53] <witnit> how many?
[22:41:57] <pink_vampire|2> 1
[22:42:25] <XXCoder> thats unusual part indeed
[22:42:26] <witnit> material?
[22:42:49] <pink_vampire|2> mild steel
[22:42:49] <XXCoder> is it all being a single material a requirement?
[22:43:09] <XXCoder> because its probably easier without two rods
[22:43:11] <pink_vampire|2> brass also can work
[22:43:34] <witnit> oal?
[22:43:37] <pink_vampire|2> with our the main shaft
[22:43:42] <pink_vampire|2> out*
[22:43:57] <pink_vampire|2> without**
[22:44:25] <pink_vampire|2> but the small pin is part from it.
[22:44:49] <pink_vampire|2> any idea?
[22:44:56] <witnit> a couple
[22:45:01] <witnit> whats the over all length?
[22:45:29] <pink_vampire|2> it can fit in 1" X 1"
[22:46:06] <pink_vampire|2> 3d printer?
[22:46:14] <yasnak> lol
[22:46:16] <pink_vampire|2> lost wax?
[22:46:24] <yasnak> whats it for?
[22:46:31] <XXCoder> mill out a wax form
[22:46:35] <XXCoder> cast it
[22:46:41] <XXCoder> complete by more milling to spec
[22:46:57] <XXCoder> 2 pins makes it MUCH harder lol
[22:47:06] <witnit> if the small pin is made separate it wont be too hard
[22:47:22] <yasnak> or just mill it from round stock...if pins are an issue then drill it out then press fit two pins at end
[22:47:42] <yasnak> all my expired gage pin sets are always good for this use :P
[22:47:57] <XXCoder> or broken tool stocks
[22:48:01] <XXCoder> theyre very hard
[22:48:29] <yasnak> eh, case hardened. after the initial .1 its pretty soft lol
[22:48:37] <witnit> after making the main cylindrical body on vertically then flip horozontal with and do arc for small pin
[22:48:44] <pink_vampire|2> but I need to drill is in 135 deg very accurate
[22:48:54] <witnit> reamer
[22:49:00] <XXCoder> yasnak: interesting
[22:49:11] <XXCoder> reamer is good for accurate hole size yeah
[22:49:25] <pink_vampire|2> but how I can rotate the part and make sure it's on the right spot?
[22:49:30] <witnit> boring bore works fine though
[22:49:38] <witnit> square jig with hole in it
[22:49:50] <yasnak> make a fixture that has pin holes as well. use the drilled pin holes from op 1 to pickup the second side
[22:49:55] <pink_vampire|2> my problem is to make the setup...
[22:50:08] <yasnak> yup, the jig is always the hardest :P engineers have the easy part
[22:50:55] <witnit> make a 2" by 2" square block and put a through hole in the center the same diameter as the the large shaft and put your part in that
[22:51:29] <XXCoder> can use er 16 or shing fixture to hold part by main pin
[22:51:43] <XXCoder> can use er 16 or something fixture to hold part by main pin
[22:51:50] <XXCoder> for some stages anyway
[22:53:20] <pink_vampire|2> i'm thinking about simplifying the part
[22:53:31] <yasnak> usually is the best idea :P
[22:53:35] <witnit> best idea evar
[22:53:45] <XXCoder> indeed. though depends on what its supposed to be for
[22:53:54] <yasnak> simple is always better
[22:54:05] <witnit> you would learn more with this part though
[22:58:05] <pink_vampire|2> you first make a gorges part, then you destroy the beauty of it, to be able to make it :(
[23:00:02] <yasnak> or you just make it :P
[23:00:13] <yasnak> you should see the crap we get sometimes
[23:00:24] <pink_vampire|2> let me see..
[23:00:31] <XXCoder> or some awful, awful materials we have to make em out of.
[23:00:36] <XXCoder> like blocks of fiberglass.
[23:01:53] <pink_vampire|2> I remembered now that I have 5 axis machining center in the basement here.
[23:01:55] <XXCoder> inocel is one tough metal.
[23:02:13] <XXCoder> it keeps breaking tools
[23:02:19] <pink_vampire|2> how do you cut it? ceramic ?
[23:02:33] <XXCoder> nah carbide
[23:02:38] <XXCoder> though tool life tend to be short
[23:02:49] <pink_vampire|2> but ceramic inserts made for it.
[23:02:58] <XXCoder> yeah dunno why company dont use em
[23:03:21] <XXCoder> fiberglass eats tools too lol though its very rapid wear
[23:03:58] <XXCoder> theres one tool I usually have to lower diamter by .001 each 2 parts and replace when below .057 or so (orginial 0.067)
[23:03:58] <pink_vampire|2> I have IDEA!!
[23:05:18] <pink_vampire|2> (45+45) 90 deg end mill
[23:05:55] <pink_vampire|2> noo...
[23:06:02] <pink_vampire|2> bad idea..
[23:07:09] <XXCoder> some of those shape can be made using ball em
[23:07:16] <XXCoder> thpugh that will take a long while
[23:07:29] <XXCoder> curved surface is time-wise expensive if not 5 axis
[23:08:23] <pink_vampire|2> I have one more servo motor here..
[23:08:27] <pink_vampire|2> Nema 34..
[23:09:09] <pink_vampire|2> maybe to drill 1/2 hole in the material and screw it to the shaft of the motor?
[23:10:42] <XXCoder> dunno if its strong enough to resist changes to position while part is being milled
[23:10:58] <XXCoder> I had this idea while ago, but it was for wood only as it is easy to mill
[23:12:00] <pink_vampire|2> it's a tough motor..
[23:13:01] <XXCoder> cool. well can always test and see
[23:14:28] <pink_vampire|2> I'm play with play doh and sharp knife
[23:14:44] <pink_vampire|2> trying to think how to make the part..
[23:32:47] <pink_vampire|2> someone know about a program that allow you to scratch on the screen above any program?
[23:34:21] <XXCoder> not too sure what you mean
[23:38:18] <pink_vampire|2> now it I want to think visually about something I draw with my pencil on the computer screen..
[23:38:44] <XXCoder> ahh
[23:38:53] <pink_vampire|2> and than I need to use the eraser to clean the screen..
[23:38:55] <XXCoder> what OS are you using
[23:39:32] <pink_vampire|2> http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/jerma-lore/images/3/3f/PencilIRL.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150104010211
[23:39:38] <pink_vampire|2> XXCoder: ^^
[23:39:49] <XXCoder> thats not an operating system heh
[23:39:58] <XXCoder> do you use windows or linux or whatever?
[23:40:32] <pink_vampire|2> windows 7 but using a regular pencil on the screen...
[23:41:03] <XXCoder> yeah but there may be programs that basically do same but easily removed
[23:41:29] <XXCoder> maybe http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/epic-pen-highlight-draw-anywhere-over-desktop-open-windows/
[23:41:36] <pink_vampire|2> I think I'm the only one that dose it..
[23:42:37] <pink_vampire|2> XXCoder: awesome!!! <3
[23:44:24] <pink_vampire|2> http://portableapps.com/apps/office/zoomit-portable
[23:44:59] <XXCoder> its GPL open source too