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[01:06:54] <pink_vampire> I'm back from veeery long google and NO :(
[01:07:08] <pink_vampire> there is no R8 collet for 1 mm
[01:07:24] <XXCoder> ah yeah i guess you have to use er11 adoptot
[01:07:28] <XXCoder> really its finr
[01:07:42] <XXCoder> just dont cheap on er11 collets and adoptor
[01:08:10] <XXCoder> I did, but then I dont need .001"
[01:09:12] <pink_vampire> I have drill chuck with jacobs arber, and it's unusable with small drills. too much runout
[01:10:14] <pink_vampire> and since then I'm trying to use the r8 collet direct..
[01:10:58] <XXCoder> drill chuck has larger runout than most collets
[01:11:48] <pink_vampire> you know about good brand?
[01:12:04] <XXCoder> unfortunatly I dont as i cheapened on collets lol
[01:20:09] <witnit> pink_vampire: you can buy a larger quality collet and turn your own bushing for it if you have a nice micro boring bar for smaller diameter drills. if you just want to buy something though, quality collet manufacturers even have a grading system for their precision similar to this
http://www.precisebits.com/tutorials/Choosing_collets.htm
[01:20:44] <XXCoder> mines not even CG I bet
[01:21:01] <XXCoder> CCG thats mine. chinese customer grade ;)
[01:21:11] <witnit> XXCoder: very old collets which are quality are much better than a new junker :)
[01:21:34] <XXCoder> yeah but same time I paid maybe $10 for mine, and I'm fine with .005 runout or so
[01:21:34] <witnit> what style do you use?
[01:21:38] <XXCoder> er 11
[01:24:10] <pink_vampire> witnit: they say "DO NOT USE CG COLLETS WHEN CUTTING METAL."
[01:24:15] <pink_vampire> WTF
[01:24:20] <witnit> ;)
[01:24:24] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: yeah buy better grade than CG
[01:24:38] <XXCoder> I use it to cut wood so.., yeah its fine for me lol
[01:24:41] <pink_vampire> what is better?
[01:24:51] <XXCoder> look at list above that text
[01:25:12] <XXCoder> right of picture of collet
[01:25:32] <pink_vampire> EP
[01:25:36] <pink_vampire> cute...
[01:25:39] <witnit> pink_vampire: what tool are you using?
[01:25:49] <pink_vampire> hss drill
[01:25:55] <XXCoder> EP seems overkill unless you really do need such precison - like +- .0005 tol
[01:26:29] <witnit> just make a bushing and put it in a bigger collet
[01:26:34] <pink_vampire> and I want to be able to drill ceramic
[01:27:01] <witnit> I just assume this goes in a bridgport mill?
[01:27:11] <pink_vampire> G0704
[01:29:22] <witnit> have you checked the spindle runout on this machine?
[01:30:01] <XXCoder> should be simple enough, insert known good gage rod, use dial test indictor
[01:30:23] <pink_vampire> with collet I dot have almost any.
[01:31:32] <pink_vampire> with the drill chuck the needle it's freaking out
[01:31:49] <pink_vampire> don't*
[01:32:36] <XXCoder> its because drill chuck sucks
[01:32:37] <pink_vampire> and I know the shorter the shaft the better runout I will get
[01:32:44] <pink_vampire> it
[01:32:59] <pink_vampire> it's the chuck that come with the machine..
[01:33:04] <pink_vampire> pure china!
[01:33:30] <witnit> maybe what you need is a VERY high quality version of this so you can use affordable smaller high quality collets
[01:33:32] <witnit> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3615
[01:33:58] <pink_vampire> ER-32 WOW~
[01:34:08] <witnit> there are other options but this would be a descent route to getting small tools into a r8 spindle
[01:35:04] <pink_vampire> I want to work with 0.5 to 1.2 mm drill bits.
[01:35:09] <witnit> just remember every collet and adapter you add will generally make your runout worse
[01:35:26] <witnit> so when using collet adapters and so forth, dont go cheap
[01:35:46] <pink_vampire> witnit: I know.. this is why I want to get it direct in the R8..
[01:37:21] <CaptHindsight> they can make it worse or better, but it depends on their alignment every time to put them together
[01:37:33] <CaptHindsight> to/you
[01:37:45] <Jymmm> Lovely... Mnt Lion spotted down the block
[01:38:27] <archivist> wrong machine for such small drills
[01:38:53] <CaptHindsight> <0.001" tolerance
[01:39:03] <archivist> spindle rpm too slow for a start
[01:39:17] <pink_vampire> 1000 rpm!
[01:39:44] <archivist> I use an 18k drill for that size
[01:39:46] <witnit> 1000 is very slow
[01:40:11] <pink_vampire> what kind a spindle?
[01:40:44] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pollard+9fx
[01:41:10] <witnit> oooh what abeauty
[01:41:36] <archivist> it has the very small size jacobs chuck
[01:42:42] <witnit> most of the time unless you are using a carbide drill or a very short hss drill, those small jacobs chucks have reasonable runout
[01:43:21] <witnit> small diameter, standard length drills tend to flex plenty when hss
[01:43:42] <pink_vampire> I know the best way to go is to add small high speed spindle..
[01:43:43] <archivist> it was crap when I bought the machine, but took spindle out and fixed the taper mount
[01:43:46] <Crom> my small chucks aren't jacobs. :(
[01:43:56] <pink_vampire> but there is no small high speed spindle..
[01:44:12] <witnit> i got one, on this little automatic drill unit I built, it had drilled hundreds of thousands (getting close to a million) holes without error or terrible runout
[01:44:24] <archivist> there are plenty of small high speed spindles
[01:44:51] <pink_vampire> by small I mean 20-25 mm diameter max
[01:45:08] <archivist> I have held a 60k one in my hand, running
[01:45:08] <pink_vampire> and 100mm~ length
[01:45:20] <pink_vampire> air?
[01:45:38] <archivist> it has air and power
[01:45:51] <pink_vampire> I want to go electric.
[01:46:23] <archivist> make a spindle
[01:46:44] <CaptHindsight> https://www.nsk-nakanishi.co.jp/industrial-eng/hpms/e3000/
[01:47:23] <archivist> http://www.raynerd.co.uk/brushless-dc-motor-cnc-high-speed-spindle/
[01:47:27] <witnit> maybe there is a way you can mount a high speed spindle to your mill?
http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCHighSpeedSpindleAddOn.htm
[01:47:42] <witnit> hahaha get to reading pinky jahahjajhhja
[01:48:49] <pink_vampire> the NSK looks very cute.
[01:50:59] <pink_vampire> can't find the price for them :(
[01:51:23] <archivist> and a book to read Spindles Harpit Sandhu Special Interest Model Books Ltd 2008
[01:53:40] <pink_vampire> I don't have a lathe :(
[01:54:38] <archivist> time you got one, essential tool
[01:54:58] <archivist> I use lathes more than mills
[01:55:18] <CaptHindsight> I hardly use one
[01:55:37] <CaptHindsight> all depends on what you tend to make
[01:57:30] * Jymmm has a 9.6V cordless drill, car battery, bunch of skate bearings, a 99¢ chisel, bag of styrafoam blocks, and a roll of duct tape - it's sorta kinda a lathe, right?
[02:01:04] <witnit> Priority list IMO 1.pedestal grinder,2. lathe, 3.mill, 4. band saw, 5. surface grinder. IMO :)
[02:05:21] <archivist> right tool for the job
[02:08:30] <pink_vampire> Priority list, caliper, mill, hacksaw
[02:09:24] <pink_vampire> pedestal grinder it's not a nail friendly tool..
[02:09:32] <witnit> hehehe
[02:09:38] <pink_vampire> I can't use it..
[02:10:07] <witnit> I honestly dont know how you get through the day with those
[02:10:44] <pink_vampire> slow and carefully :)
[02:10:47] <witnit> I have wrecked my own fingernails and they are not very long
[02:11:04] <XXCoder> never saw point of long nails
[02:11:08] <Crom> wooo Raspberry Pi V3 has been released. 1.2Ghz with onboard WiFi/BT
[02:11:18] <witnit> coke spoons XXCoder coke spoons
[02:11:27] <XXCoder> lol
[02:11:58] <archivist> digging out ear wax
[02:12:09] <pink_vampire> I have 17.03mm nails! (cute digital caliper)
[02:12:42] <witnit> maybe you should also learn guitar
[02:12:49] <Crom> I have a lathe, want a new one. Need a mill, and more wheels for my bench grinders
[02:13:12] <witnit> crom which lathe?
[02:13:26] <pink_vampire> witnit: NO!!
[02:13:44] <witnit> but, but, musics, and picking
[02:13:47] <Crom> I have band saw, table saw, radial arm saw, 1 fluxcore and 1 mig welder, drill press, worm drive skil saw
[02:14:01] <pink_vampire> witnit:
http://i.imgur.com/JDvhPJV.png
[02:14:02] <Crom> witnit a 1945 Sheldon 10"
[02:14:18] <Crom> using a Shars AXA QCTP
[02:14:55] <XXCoder> that you?
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/media/6519070/Nails%20story%201_497x280.jpg ;) kidding
[02:15:01] <Crom> it's the overhead leather belt drive one
[02:15:14] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: NO!
[02:15:16] <witnit> ahh crom I was looking at that one :) nice
[02:15:32] <witnit> how worn is the bed near the chuck?
[02:15:48] <Crom> not much
[02:16:06] <Crom> witnit, I'm in SoCal where you?
[02:16:11] <witnit> indiana
[02:16:38] <Crom> how far from Columbus?
[02:17:01] <witnit> im right close to ft wayne
[02:18:07] <witnit> pink_vampire: props for being able to do things without breaking those I have longer hair and am always paying close attention to little accidents
[02:18:32] <witnit> crom you know someone from this area?
[02:19:06] <Crom> I have friends 65mile due north of Indianapolis and friends in Columbus working for Cummins
[02:19:33] <Deejay> moin
[02:19:35] <witnit> mojn! d!
[02:19:48] <Deejay> hi witnit :)
[02:20:05] <pink_vampire> witnit: I'm all my life with long - longer nails.. I can't imagine myself without them...
[02:20:18] <pink_vampire> and.. I'm typing with a pen :)
[02:21:01] <witnit> I bet people are often surprised to learn you are a closet machinist :P
[02:21:14] <Crom> wow, ft wayne is gonna be 120 miles out of my way... I need to go to Winipeg in the next year or so.
[02:21:21] <Crom> s/1210/1200/
[02:21:24] <Crom> s/120/1200/
[02:21:30] <witnit> Lets party crom!
[02:23:07] <Crom> I need to take my Cadillac to Northstar Performance and get an engine put in and other things fixed.
[02:23:43] <pink_vampire> witnit: yeah.. all the time.. I'm very skinny, girl.. and I'm look more like the shopping type girls.. but my shopping is much more expensive and last more then just one season :)
[02:24:13] <witnit> generally I just scrap my used cadillacs after six months and buy a new one.
[02:24:24] <Crom> I want to hit a certain classic car dealer in Iowa on my way back to get a car for my wife. 67/68 Mustang Coupe
[02:24:38] <witnit> oooh
[02:24:49] <witnit> I want a 68 charger rt
[02:25:08] <Crom> I want a '66 International 1200 crewcab
[02:25:33] * Jymmm wants a 1978 AMC Gremlin
[02:25:35] <witnit> I always go to the international harvester plant in ft wayen for used parts
[02:25:42] <witnit> machine parts that is
[02:26:02] <witnit> that harvester building is HUGE
[02:26:51] <Jymmm> witnit: You know you just want a tractor =)
[02:26:53] <Crom> My folks had a '66 CC with a 6' utility body with the 266 V8 and they also had a '68 scout with a 133 slant 4
[02:26:55] <witnit> under the floor conveyor systems and huge lines of overhead conveyors that go for what seems like miles
[02:27:25] <witnit> most of the older cars around here have rusted away, probably all the road salt
[02:27:56] <witnit> pink_vampire: do you drive a truck too?
[02:28:37] <pink_vampire> witnit: NO! I hate to drive..
[02:29:22] <Crom> ugh element 14 doesn't have the pi 3 yet
[02:29:36] <witnit> There was a girl I went to school with, always looked like a model but was a farm girl, drove an old ford and could lay a bead of weld nicer than anyone I knew :
[02:29:38] <witnit> :P
[02:29:40] <XXCoder> I want my elio now
[02:30:25] <witnit> I have a 1964 chrysler 300 :) and 1963 plymouth fury with 440 BBL
[02:31:09] <Crom> witnit, I miss my '74 Town and Country wagon w/ 440
[02:31:22] <witnit> I bet you dont miss the gas station stops :)
[02:31:40] <Crom> it wasn't bad.. 20 highway
[02:31:46] <witnit> wow not bad at all
[02:31:52] <witnit> I think my highway was about 7
[02:31:52] <Crom> @ 55mpg with slight tail wind
[02:31:53] <witnit> :)
[02:32:09] <pink_vampire> I don't know how to weld :(
[02:32:19] <witnit> can you solder?
[02:32:28] <Crom> my club cab pickup was a 400 an\d\nd it got 16 on it's best day
[02:32:48] <witnit> ^ downhill
[02:32:49] <witnit> :)
[02:35:02] <Crom> hmm soldering irons... I have to think about how many I have...
[02:36:27] <pink_vampire> I can solder very good.
[02:36:44] <Jymmm> Crom: downhill, in a hurricane?
[02:37:16] <pink_vampire> I can solder thin wires to QFN pins
[02:37:52] <witnit> pink_vampire: I cannot :( I get the shakes at times and get very frustrated
[02:38:29] <pink_vampire> the trick is to rest your hand on the table.
[02:38:41] <Crom> the Dodge Club Cab was a '72 1/2 ton w/ 400 and automagic tranny. 16mpg on it's best day, usually down around 8-14mpg per tank since I did alot of in town driving
[02:38:56] <pink_vampire> and hold the soldering iron a bit loss
[02:38:58] * Jymmm had a 1976 Buick Rivera with a 455, it got 3 gallons per mile
[02:39:25] <XXCoder> mines fancy soccer mom van - nissan quest 1996
[02:40:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Lies, you know you have a white windowsless van that has "FREE CANDY" painted on the side!
[02:41:02] <witnit> ohhhhhhhhh snap
[02:43:34] <witnit> some shakes even the table cant control :/ on soldering days I avoid drinking coffee to help keep me from vribrating away
[02:44:18] <XXCoder> Jymmm: nah mine has Ftee Caady on it
[02:44:49] <Jymmm> XXCoder: vegan or sugar free candy?
[02:45:00] <Jymmm> or sugar free vegan candy?
[02:45:04] <XXCoder> just plain nose candy
[02:45:10] <Jymmm> lol
[02:53:27] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dental-Air-Water-Straight-3-Way-Syringe-w-2-Metal-Alloy-Nozzles-Tip-Triple-Spray-/141377862303?hash=item20eac6fa9f:g:xjgAAOSwEK9UCs5z
[02:53:40] <pink_vampire> this is look sooooo cute!
[02:55:12] <witnit> Im trying to figure out why you want this
[02:57:15] <pink_vampire> just look better then
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O6f0xY2p4aw/UgqzEJPE2QI/AAAAAAAABxc/q7ATzzs4P4M/s1600/AirCompressor_10.jpg
[02:57:29] <pink_vampire> and also better for small stuff.
[02:57:47] <witnit> ahh yes but can they handle the pressure?
[02:58:58] <pink_vampire> anyway I don't want very big and noisy air compressor here..
[02:59:42] <pink_vampire> and I'm thinking about dental handpiece as high speed spindle,,
[03:00:20] <witnit> yeah I kept looking at those as well for things around the shop since the stainless steels and whatnot but havent really figured out where I can make use of them
[03:01:02] <archivist> they tend to have a fixed collet size, not ideal for general purpose
[03:02:11] <pink_vampire> 3/32 bits
[03:02:14] <pink_vampire> BRB.
[03:06:35] <witnit> I was thinking about it the other day, the only reason I picked up ladder logic easily was because of the redstone I used in that minecraft game :)
[03:08:54] <pink_vampire> I'm back :)
[03:09:13] <XXCoder> heh
[03:09:31] <XXCoder> I discovered how to make 3 part redstone pluser
[03:09:36] <XXCoder> pulser
[03:10:19] <XXCoder> only needs line of redstone powder, and nice sticky piston, connect input to that line and piston
[03:10:26] <XXCoder> it will output very brief pulse
[03:10:34] <XXCoder> of course you can add delays but yeah
[03:11:42] <witnit> yeah I think those (atleast in an old version) would break after a certain amount of time and I had to add a way to restart them
[03:12:06] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what are you talking about?
[03:12:13] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: inecraft game
[03:12:14] <witnit> I used a sticky piston on a redstone block to open and close circuits
[03:12:18] <XXCoder> *minecraft
[03:12:54] <pink_vampire> why?
[03:13:00] <witnit> so basicly the red stone on the stick would move between two powder lines breaking one line and activating the other
[03:13:19] <XXCoder> lol ok
[03:13:32] <witnit> its like a 3D version of ladder logic :) very educational
[03:14:23] <pink_vampire> mini sand blast..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dental-Polishing-Air-Prophy-Unit-Teeth-Polisher-Handpiece-Teeth-System-4-Hole-B-/140952110803?hash=item20d16686d3:g:-R4AAOSwBLlVJJKQ
[03:14:27] <pink_vampire> cuuuteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[03:14:28] <XXCoder> dang
[03:14:38] <XXCoder> someone invented design simplier than mine
http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/File:Circuit_breaker_pulse_generator.png
[03:15:34] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: if you are play games on your computer, you need to find a way to use it better..
[03:15:44] <XXCoder> why?
[03:16:05] <witnit> pink_vampire: blasphemy
[03:16:46] <pink_vampire> :(
[03:18:14] <pink_vampire> Rated Air-pressure : 177-216Kpa（1.8-2.2kgf/cm2）
[03:18:28] <pink_vampire> how I convert it to CFM?
[03:20:09] <witnit> I dont think you can pink_vampire
[03:20:26] <witnit> since one is flow and the other is pressure
[03:21:26] <pink_vampire> 216 kpa is 31 psi
[03:22:24] <pink_vampire> kgf/cm2 - I have no idea what is that, torque maybe?
[03:23:33] <witnit> well that like pounds per square inch, but metric
[03:25:06] <witnit> so it can handle about 30psi before it blows I would assume
[03:25:36] <witnit> since 2.2 kgf/cm2 = 31.3 psi
[03:26:09] <witnit> maybe im misinterpreting the formulas but, I think its right
[03:29:07] <pink_vampire> http://www.zimmerdental.com/pdf/im_whMotorHandpieces.pdf
[03:29:13] <pink_vampire> even here..
[03:29:36] <pink_vampire> there is no info about the amount of air
[03:31:45] <witnit> but these particular ones are electric no?
[03:32:49] <pink_vampire> you can see the turbine on page 6
[03:34:03] <pink_vampire> http://www.arizonagourds.com/HighSpeedAirTools.html
[03:34:08] <pink_vampire> wow
[03:34:16] <pink_vampire> this is cool.
[03:34:17] <witnit> XXCoder: I made a cart track system that automatically dropped sheep into carts and sent them into a fire pit and made nice cooked chops for the neighbors :) there was another model which generated mobs and mailed them to people in a very large quantity :)
[03:34:41] <XXCoder> lol nice
[03:34:48] <XXCoder> my favorite is mob tower
[03:34:52] <XXCoder> so much mob...
[03:34:53] <witnit> tower?
[03:34:58] <XXCoder> lemme link pic a sec
[03:36:43] <pink_vampire> ok,,,
[03:36:48] <pink_vampire> I'm here..
[03:36:52] <witnit> I used to go into god mode in that game and build underground tracks to everyones property, we had a huge system for automated farming, mining, gathering etc. very interesting things you can do in that game. automatic self rebuilding walls and such
[03:39:02] <XXCoder> witnit:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/2012-09-08_01.08.06.png
[03:39:19] <XXCoder> its old heh but it was part of skyblock challenge
[03:39:44] <XXCoder> the interior of tower top is dark, and has water flowing where lower part are
[03:39:56] <XXCoder> so monsters constantlly spawn and fall to death
[03:41:14] <XXCoder> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/2012-08-09_13.26.51.png definitely not for monsters lol
[03:41:21] <XXCoder> gave me so much iron.
[03:41:40] <witnit> I made a REALLY cool tool once, you put a mob in a room with a string trigger and so whenever a person would get close it would make the mob move and trigger the trap. so whenever a person got close to an area (like down some hall way) it would for example drop a guy into a hole or squish him
[03:42:01] <witnit> proximity switches :)
[03:42:53] <witnit> what did this ramp do exactly?
[03:43:17] <XXCoder> to send up villagers to my artifical village
[03:43:27] <XXCoder> guess why that results in so much iron.
[03:43:51] <witnit> haha go on
[03:43:59] <XXCoder> btw this was final form of my skyblock island
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/Skyblock.2.1.Final.png
[03:44:08] <XXCoder> that was when I met all challenges. man some was tough
[03:44:23] <witnit> I used to build my houses with these :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7W5mKPpmoQ
[03:45:18] <XXCoder> lol I built downwards version
[03:45:48] <witnit> you can do an obsidian version I think, but I lost interest in the game at that point
[03:46:01] <XXCoder> anyway
[03:46:17] <XXCoder> artifical village has 4 small "rooms" on sides
[03:46:24] <XXCoder> each must have in least 2 villagers
[03:46:35] <XXCoder> and it has LOOOTS doors all way around
[03:46:44] <XXCoder> interior is completely water flowing covered
[03:46:48] <XXCoder> with center hole
[03:46:58] <XXCoder> iron golems always spawn in those areas
[03:47:04] <witnit> ohhhh
[03:47:09] <witnit> you tricky buggar
[03:47:24] <XXCoder> two villages generate a lot of those, and I push em out of range of village then use lava blade to kill em
[03:47:47] <witnit> clever
[03:48:06] <XXCoder> I still find it funny that wood signs can keep lava controlled.
[03:48:57] <witnit> when are you designing a minecraft gcode interpreter?
[03:49:06] <XXCoder> did you see skyblock final picture?
[03:49:20] <witnit> yeah, but not sure what all im seeing :)
[03:49:30] <XXCoder> its island I made by myself
[03:49:40] <XXCoder> I started with tiny dirt island in middle of void
[03:49:56] <XXCoder> the buildings on right is farms, one to grow food and one to spawn animals
[03:50:06] <XXCoder> the pools there is for squid
[03:50:29] <XXCoder> the big tower is for mobs
[03:50:36] <XXCoder> and left house is my home lol
[03:50:52] <witnit> I wonder what your shop looks like now :)
[03:51:20] <XXCoder> http://www.minecraftmaps.com/survival-maps/sky-island-survival
[03:51:26] <XXCoder> heh real sho[p sucks
[03:51:37] <XXCoder> actually wrong map a sec
[03:52:01] <witnit> I havent played this in a few years, though I have tried the minetest for linux
[03:52:19] <XXCoder> http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/maps/1473433-surv-skyblock
[03:52:30] <XXCoder> old map maybe someone posted a update to it
[03:52:39] <XXCoder> watch video heh
[03:52:54] <witnit> ha their social media buttons are cubes :P
[03:54:22] <XXCoder> heh
[03:54:49] <witnit> oh i did something like this once, everyone starts on a lil mound and you get like, a sapling and have to expand from that
[03:54:59] <witnit> I mostly just grew trees and fell to my death
[03:55:16] <XXCoder> the final island was 4th attempt that was successful
[03:55:27] <XXCoder> first one I messed up making cobble generator
[03:55:33] <XXCoder> 2nd I fell over
[03:56:07] <XXCoder> 3rd I was reasonable successful till I fell over with bucket of lava (was building new cobblestone generaror
[03:57:38] <witnit> Im surprised there isnt a minecraft the cartoon series by now
[03:59:21] <XXCoder> heh nah popularity have waned
[03:59:32] <XXCoder> though it seems that minecraft stories is popular
[04:02:55] <witnit> I wish more people would hurry up and start adopting linuxcnc, I need someone around me who enjoys the process of building automated machines.
[04:03:49] <witnit> I guess people who build cnc's are a pretty small group ones which do so and use linux much smaller yet.
[04:10:36] <Loetmichel2> hmm, you think?
[04:10:48] <Loetmichel2> i know about half a dozen in my vicinity
[04:10:49] <XXCoder> dunno
[04:11:03] <XXCoder> Loetmichel2: depends on who you know and location
[04:11:07] <XXCoder> I know of nobody
[04:11:26] <witnit> I dont know anyone personally who use linuxcnc
[04:16:18] <witnit> I have taught a few how though :) and they are users of emc but not really entrepreneurs with it
[06:16:40] <DRGray> hey, im just setting up my tools. in the tutorial it says press touch off then select t tool table from teh drop down in coordnate system
[06:16:51] <DRGray> all i have is p1 to p9 with g* after it
[06:23:36] <witnit> can you rephrase this as question?
[06:27:18] <DRGray> im setting my first tool up
[06:27:25] <DRGray> and using the touch off button
[06:27:42] <DRGray> in the manual/tutorial is say select the t tool table
[06:28:04] <DRGray> either its not there or its ambigious about what it means and i should be selecting one of the settings p1 to p9?
[06:32:15] <_methods> p1-p9 are the work coordinate systems
[06:32:26] <_methods> i.e g54-59
[06:32:46] <_methods> g59.1 etc
[06:33:22] <DRGray> ok i need to go over that
[06:34:00] <witnit> once you understand the coordinate systems, the rest is easier to make sense of
[06:34:10] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CoordinateSystems#G5x_work_coordinate_systems
[06:34:40] <witnit> knowing what part of the manual I should be reading was the hardest part of EMC when I got started
[06:34:42] <_methods> if you see the table on the left you can see the p1-p9 by corresponding G offset
[06:34:53] <_methods> table on the right sorry
[06:34:57] <_methods> no coffee yet lol
[06:35:24] <witnit> shouldnt have played so much hookie in kindergarten _methods
[06:35:25] <_methods> it shows the corresponding G10 code to use to set the coordinate system
[06:35:31] <_methods> hahah right
[06:35:31] <archivist> for some types of work one can get away with not knowing some of that
[06:35:36] <_methods> i need my coffee
[06:35:47] <witnit> archivist I have NEVER learned any of it :)
[06:35:55] <witnit> and I use emc daily
[06:36:09] <_methods> well if you ever want to use more than one fixture you'll probably want to learn about it
[06:36:13] <archivist> I only use the tool table on my cnc lathe
[06:36:31] <archivist> I dont use fixtures :)
[06:38:49] <witnit> I dont think I ever used to tool feature on my DRO either
[06:39:08] <witnit> however the bolt pattern options on my DRO love that tool
[06:40:50] <DRGray> yes i need to get my head round the cordinate system
[06:42:44] <DRGray> righ ill go off and read through this
[06:43:28] <witnit> I think I only used it once, and it was in a really unusual situation, basicly I built an automatic loader for the lathe and it loaded bar ends of random VARIOUS lengths, the machine would probe the parts length and set the offset of the entire program to accomodate the bar length.. quite confusing
[06:47:45] <witnit> when it was done though, it was really cool to see a lathe completely change where it goes to do the cutting and work good parts out of scrap.
[06:48:53] <SpeedEvil> :)
[06:52:06] <archivist> takes extra skill to work scrap out of good bar :)
[06:53:17] <SpeedEvil> a re-extruder would be awesome
[06:53:31] <SpeedEvil> it's sort-of-plausible for Al
[07:20:59] <witnit> I have thousands and thousands of bar ends (99% are one inch hex 12L14/1215) I been trying to come up with use for them before I they rust away or end up in a scrapyard. I wonder if I should just turn them into nuts or couplers and ebay them. Just doesnt seem very profitable
[07:26:45] <rob_h> i think we all have more than enouth barends , my magzine barfeed keeps billing the bin up
[07:30:58] <witnit> rob_h: how long are your ends? 3-4"?
[07:32:38] <rob_h> yea about that, its on sliding head so end up with quite a length
[07:33:19] <rob_h> the fixed head laths never have much left so always go in the scrap bin
[07:33:44] <witnit> rob_h: one thing I used to do was make tons and tons of spacers multiple through hole sizes (sizes that match bolt shanks) and made them in a few different length .375, .500, .625 Very handy to have disposable spacers laying around like when trying to support a part up and off of your mill table
[07:35:08] <archivist> we used to keep the brass bar ends for one off small parts at the clockworks
[07:35:29] <witnit> heh, I turned all my brass bar ends into hammers :)
[07:37:26] <SpeedEvil> What you need is a machine that can grab the parts out of the bin, and friction weld them together
[07:37:33] <witnit> aluminum handle and brass head with a heavy knurl on both so when needed you can hold the head of the hammer and give things a soft little tapparoo. in my shop I use cutting oil and the deep knurls are very important
[07:37:56] <witnit> all SpeedEvil if you had the right environment you could cold weld them! =D
[07:38:14] <SpeedEvil> no cutting fluid, and cutting in a vacuum?
[07:38:29] <witnit> you been to space too?!?
[07:39:25] <witnit> im glad cold welding can't readily happen on earth, our jobs would be much more complicated
[10:31:13] <maxcnc> hi from germany
[10:31:47] <maxcnc> Cold windy some snow and no sun here in the south west
[10:35:07] <maxcnc> till later
[10:40:15] <enleth> eh, there's so much black oily sooty crap on the wiring in the cabinet that I'm tempted to just rewire the whole thing from scratch without any changes just to clean the wires and all screw terminals
[10:41:05] <enleth> there was actually some corrosion on high power contactor terminals, when I loosened the screws and pulled out the wires, clouds of fine iron oxide particles emerged
[10:41:36] <enleth> that can't be good for the relays in the area
[11:12:29] <PetefromTn_> enleth now you see why I gutted my stuff and started over ;)
[11:24:42] <enleth> PetefromTn_: I don't really want to "start over"
[11:25:15] <enleth> I'd wire it exactly the same as it is now, it's perfectly fine as is but coated in soot and grime
[11:26:12] <enleth> otherwise the existing relay logic is very well designed and assembled and I'm reusing all of it with mesa
[11:27:05] <PetefromTn_> sounds good man
[11:29:13] <archivist> brush and vacuum
[11:39:20] <pcw_home> car wash
[11:39:43] <DRGray> erm looked like it was going to run
[11:39:47] <DRGray> started drilling into surface
[11:39:52] <archivist> tell the apprentice to clean it
[11:39:55] <DRGray> as it started to move on y snapped the bit
[11:40:21] <DRGray> just on trying to ingrave linux cnc looks like it bored a 0.5mm hole
[11:40:33] <archivist> DRGray, test cut in air first!
[11:40:37] <DRGray> maybe i need a bigger drill bit or incerase the speed of my drill?
[11:40:55] <DRGray> yeah it can follow the pattern
[11:41:10] <DRGray> i touched off the tool got that setup
[11:41:13] <archivist> what type of cutter?
[11:41:15] <DRGray> then touch of the work piece
[11:41:24] <DRGray> small drill bit tinn about 0.7mm diameter
[11:41:42] <archivist> drill bits cannot engrave
[11:42:02] <DRGray> is that what the linux cnc does.
[11:42:11] <DRGray> i mean with the default example
[11:42:25] <archivist> yes it is side cutting
[11:42:38] <DRGray> ah ok
[11:42:41] <DRGray> what tip should that use?
[11:43:08] <archivist> slot drill or engraving bit, make sure the spindle is fast enough
[11:43:49] <archivist> and read the gcode of that example specially the first lines
[11:43:54] <DRGray> hah
[11:44:12] <DRGray> ok so if i wanted to cut a shape out of a flat piece of aliminium what bit should i use?
[11:45:10] <archivist> an end mill most of the time but note an endmill cannot go in like a drill
[11:45:31] <archivist> for that a slot drill
[11:47:33] <gregcnc> we don't have slot drills in the US, only center cutting endmills
[11:47:49] <archivist> :)
[11:48:24] <DRGray> not intended for actuall miling
[11:48:29] <DRGray> hah
[11:48:32] <gregcnc> no difference
[11:48:34] <DRGray> right gotta go thanks again
[11:49:55] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I put in my resignation last friday
[11:52:58] <_methods> ssi: you going to commute?
[11:53:06] <_methods> or telecommute?
[11:55:27] <maxcnc> hi all
[11:56:20] <gregcnc> anyone using TouchDRO?
http://www.yuriystoys.com/p/android-dro.html
[11:58:10] <PetefromTn_> ssi you da man! Congrats
[12:07:26] <witnit> nice find gregcnc
[12:09:41] <gregcnc> I suppose I should check youtube to see what the app looks like. tool offsets sounds great for lathe
[12:10:51] <FloppyDisk> gregcnc - not using, but that's awesome. People are amazing.
[12:11:26] <archivist> but...why... I have linuxcnc
[12:12:22] <FloppyDisk> because it's cool...
[12:12:54] <FloppyDisk> archivist - if you don't need control and don't have motors.
[12:13:20] <FloppyDisk> Although, I've seen some DRO's on aliexpress or banggood that are unbelieveably cheap, that would be a more dedicated dro.
[12:13:36] <archivist> and dont mind batteries failing part way through
[12:13:58] <maxcnc> with linuxcnc and a simple arduino with a HC05 BT adapter no problem
[12:14:19] <maxcnc> and a rewaly cheep China 15USD 7" display
[12:14:40] <maxcnc> so in total maybe around 50USD
[12:15:08] <maxcnc> or all parts from china around 25
[12:15:23] <maxcnc> to get a cool Android DRO
[12:15:44] <maxcnc> BUT you need to get the android up all the time
[12:19:37] <gregcnc> problem is I don't know anything about that. buy a board, connect scales, load app
[12:20:07] <maxcnc> all just a matter of time
[12:20:36] <maxcnc> its for freaks to be cool looking
[12:20:53] <maxcnc> main cnc users use blank mashinesetups
[12:20:54] <FloppyDisk> archivist - batteries falling out remedied by duct tape.
[12:21:26] <maxcnc> yes ductape is what you shoudt have when you are lost in the wildnes
[12:21:41] <maxcnc> hi DRGray
[12:21:50] <maxcnc> did you got all drawings
[12:22:05] <Loetmichel2> anyone besides me cringing when he hears "duck tape" ? for me that stuff is called "gaffer tape"
[12:22:21] <DRGray> maxcnc: yes
[12:22:26] <maxcnc> Panzerband ;-)
[12:22:31] <DRGray> i havent managed to fully look over things
[12:22:45] <gregcnc> no it's definitely duct tape, but nobody can actually say it.
[12:22:47] <maxcnc> time will do the jb for you
[12:23:12] <Loetmichel2> maxcnc: i worked as a tech for a rockn'roll stage rental company for 10 years. its not panzerband. its Gaffa!
[12:23:31] <gregcnc> https://www.duckbrand.com/products/duck-tape
[12:23:50] <Loetmichel2> gregcnc_ i know
[12:24:13] <Loetmichel2> there is Duct-tape and Duck-tape.. still both are gaffa/gaffer tape for me
[12:24:33] <Loetmichel2> (gaffa being the company, gaffer being the job its used for mostly ;)
[12:25:49] <maxcnc> Loetmichel2: im right now on a new page develop for a company like that
[12:27:32] <Loetmichel2> and we had some rolls there that had an $65 price tag for the 50mm*50m roll...
[12:27:44] <gregcnc> hmm wiki says gaffer tape is intended to come off cleanly
[12:28:22] <Loetmichel2> ... but you could glue a microphone cable to the floor in the entrance of a stadim, let 5000 people run over it and it will still stick to the ground without any signs of wear ;)
[12:28:40] <maxcnc> old days bring memoryes on that
[13:03:46] <_methods> mil-spec ducttape
[13:06:58] <Jymmm> Ha, duct tape these days is a joke. I went through 8 different brands/types in the store and EASILY came off. My test? Peel back about 2 inches, stick it to the shelf and see how easy it is to pull off. Most couldn't even hold up their own weight =(
[13:08:09] <Jymmm> This includes Gorilla (lesser of the evils), and 3M brands
[13:09:50] <_methods> that's why you have to buy the mil-spec stuff
[13:09:54] <_methods> all the rest is trash
[13:10:37] <CaptHindsight> gaffer tape is not duct tape
[13:10:59] <MrSunshine_> ough, two days of leaning over the router and straightening everything takes its toll on the back of the legs ...
[13:11:06] <CaptHindsight> gaffer temp is made to be temporary vs duct tape is permanent
[13:11:33] <Jymmm> s/permanent/less temporary/
[13:11:55] <CaptHindsight> you tend to get what you pay for
[13:12:14] <CaptHindsight> I suspect that you went bargain shopping again
[13:12:23] <Jymmm> More like you DONT get what you pay for.
[13:12:54] <Jymmm> I'm not buying $65/roll duct tape, period.
[13:13:31] <Jymmm> it used to be $6/roll 100 MPH duct tape, now it's 5MPH
[13:14:05] <CaptHindsight> yeah, ever think of making more money?
[13:14:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Would YOU buy $65/roll duct tape?
[13:15:43] <CaptHindsight> I buy tiny pieces of sand based devices for $100's
[13:16:01] <Jymmm> That didnt answer my question.
[13:16:17] <CaptHindsight> not it the form you wanted
[13:16:17] <Jymmm> And I'm not talking specialty tape, just duct tape
[13:18:53] <FloppyDisk> I would agree duct tape and that blue painters tape is expensive. I didn't say too expensive, but I sure watch how I use it.
[13:21:18] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: blue tape, yeah. But I can't find 100MPH duct tape at any price; I want that gooey stick stuff that got on everything and could never come off
[13:21:41] <Jymmm> just doens't exist these days
[13:21:50] <FloppyDisk> Jymmm - I guess I remember that, maybe too many lawsuits from people pulling it off their face...
[13:21:58] <Jymmm> hahaha
[13:22:30] <CaptHindsight> like high flow shower heads
[13:22:40] <CaptHindsight> and other banned items
[13:22:48] <FloppyDisk> I have one cheap roll of duct tape that hardly sticks to cardboard. I can't stand it, try to use it up on 'stuff that doesn't matter.'
[13:22:49] <Jymmm> Well, I mena if a window is broken at 11pm, I want to be able to at least tape it closed till I can fix it the next day sorta thing.
[13:23:11] <PetefromTn_> blue painters tape is a big bs scam honestly we used to buy it to paint our cabinets and installations with and it DOES leave less goo on the surfaces but it is WAY more expensive around here at least and does not hold very well often causing us to have to sand and rapaint and clean up overspray that got under it when it let go during the spraying...
[13:23:25] <Jymmm> plastic sheets and stapler only goes so far, you have to tape down the edges to keep the wind out
[13:23:44] <PetefromTn_> now we use just standard masking tape and make sure you don't stick it down too hard and it works great..
[13:25:20] <FloppyDisk> PetefromTn_ - good advice. I ended up buying the blue stuff in bulk, but hate doing it...
[13:25:29] <FloppyDisk> Like 5 or 7 rolls.
[13:25:32] <CaptHindsight> similar situation with super glue
[13:25:52] <PetefromTn_> even in bulk it is way overpriced...we bought everything in bulk because we used tons of the stuff
[13:25:55] <CaptHindsight> you can't sell consumers adhesives that adhere too well
[13:26:22] <Erant> Because someone inevitably applies it somewhere they shouldn't.
[13:26:32] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Only cause the EPA is banning all the good chems =)
[13:26:57] <PetefromTn_> BS I swear if a company made an adhesive that actually REALLY held good on most surfaces it would sell like crazy..
[13:27:14] <CaptHindsight> wasn't there a recent duct tape craze on social media?
[13:27:27] <PetefromTn_> you mean wallets?
[13:27:37] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: it's more "crafters" now
[13:27:37] <CaptHindsight> post video of yourself immobilized by duct tape
[13:28:10] <gregcnc> duct tape prom dresses
[13:28:24] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight what the hell kind of video's have you been watching man? :D
[13:28:58] <CaptHindsight> was on "news" lately
[13:29:04] <gregcnc> didn't some get get seriously hurt just recently?
[13:29:08] <gregcnc> kid
[13:29:56] <CaptHindsight> maybe all the good duct tape is gone again due to terrorist threats?
[13:29:56] <gregcnc> like he fell, smashed his head, and spent a couple weeks in the hospital?
[13:32:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12125147/duct-tape-challenge-teenager-head-injuries-hospital.html
[13:32:33] <CaptHindsight> 'Duct tape challenge'
[13:32:35] <_methods> darwin hard at work
[13:34:18] <_methods> and "duck" tape was the first i believe
[13:34:23] <_methods> since it was made from duck cloth
[13:34:28] <_methods> with adhesive backing
[13:34:47] <PetefromTn_> got just one more solid oak Stair tread to cut and install and the damn stairs are gonna be finally done... :D
[13:36:40] <CaptHindsight> duck cloth hah, ducks have feathers
[13:36:48] <_methods> hehe
[13:38:00] <FinboySlick> Ah, memories of the Red Green Show.
[13:38:18] <Jymmm> ...available on YT =)
[13:38:18] <FinboySlick> "The handyman's secret weapon, ducktape."
[13:38:35] <maxcnc> Loetmichel2: Q weist du wie in einem Circuszelt das ausenrum um die manege heist
[13:39:21] <FinboySlick> "If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy."
[13:44:38] <maxcnc> GN8
[14:41:36] <CaptHindsight> GN8 = Guten Abend?
[14:43:08] <CaptHindsight> or good night or is it supposed to sound like Gute Nacht? with 8 as acht?
[14:44:20] <Deejay> latter one
[14:44:24] <Deejay> 8 as acht
[14:44:37] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: GuteN'acht'. == Goodnight
[14:45:17] <CaptHindsight> was wondering if he was going for the English or German version
[14:46:08] <CaptHindsight> GN8 can sound like gneight
[14:47:31] <Deejay> so where's the difference? ;)
[14:49:48] <CaptHindsight> like how Scheiße vs Schießen sound similar
[14:52:04] <cpresser> why dont you just learn the language. its easy :)
[14:52:26] <CaptHindsight> I used to speak it
[14:52:36] <CaptHindsight> you forget from not using it
[14:55:16] <Deejay> german is evil language ;)
[14:55:38] <CaptHindsight> the compound words are fun
[14:56:02] <Deejay> hehe
[15:13:42] <miss0r> i'm thinking here. I have a surface grinder, which presumable has a stone installed for use with coolant. What would happen if I were to use the stone without coolant?
[15:14:17] <Sync_> nothing
[15:14:32] <CaptHindsight> it will still grind
[15:14:34] <Sync_> CaptHindsight: it sounds completely differet
[15:14:37] <miss0r> as in: everything is just dandy? why the coolant then?
[15:14:47] <Sync_> to cool the workpiece
[15:14:54] <Sync_> as it expands when it heats
[15:14:56] <miss0r> absolutly no other reason?
[15:15:06] <miss0r> so if I stick to light cuts it should be fine?
[15:15:08] <Sync_> well, it will keep you from burning the piece too
[15:15:21] <CaptHindsight> does the coolant spray the part or at your face when turned on?
[15:15:33] <Sync_> usually it feeds through the wheel
[15:15:45] <CaptHindsight> if it's your face then I expect it was just for fun
[15:15:46] <Sync_> but you should use coolant
[15:15:52] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: : neither. the former owner decided to keep the coolant system
[15:16:12] <miss0r> Sync_: to keep the work peice cool?
[15:16:24] <Sync_> yes, and to keep the wheel burn down
[15:16:44] <miss0r> wheel burn? wear on the wheel or burnmarks on the part?
[15:17:17] <Sync_> burnmarks on the part
[15:17:46] <miss0r> indeed. Good. I am thinking I will use it without coolant until it has prooven it worth. then perhaps I will buy coolant for it
[15:17:56] <Sync_> well, it is worth it
[15:18:11] <Sync_> it is hard to keep close tolerances without it
[15:18:22] <Sync_> as you have to wait for your part to cool all the time
[15:18:26] <miss0r> yeah, but I don't know if the machine is worth it, or I should get a completely seprate one(perhaps with coolant included)
[15:18:51] <miss0r> hence the dry test
[15:21:02] <_methods> get a bucket and a water pump
[15:21:06] <_methods> and some locline
[15:21:11] <_methods> bewm coolant
[15:22:20] <miss0r> I actualy have a small coolant system sidding idle, since I upgraded the one on my cnc. but I am fairly sure, the capacity is too small. I will run dry before anything reaches back in there
[15:24:03] <miss0r> meh. back so idle mode - kid woke up
[15:50:37] <Deejay> gn8
[15:59:52] <Cromaglious_> moin
[16:00:40] <Cromaglious_> GRRR why did they have to release the RPi3 on the 29th.... I don't get money until tomorrow
[16:10:52] <Cromaglious_> adafruit already out of stock of the Pi3
[16:10:58] <anomynou1> miss0r, beh coolant
[16:11:07] <anomynou1> its just messy
[16:11:31] <anomynou1> use carbide tools and run dry...
[16:12:50] <anomynou1> or use some water spraying thing if you need hss :]
[16:13:23] <anomynou1> or just run slower
[16:15:08] <anomynou1> besides it looks like dramatic when it looks like sparking when you enter or exit a cut dry :U
[16:37:55] <Sync_> anomynou1: on a surface grinder?
[16:44:16] <_methods> lol
[16:44:23] <_methods> carbide grinding wheel man
[18:02:43] <andypugh> It moves!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-KE3-e4Z8A&feature=em-upload_owner
[18:03:55] <os1r1s> Evening all
[18:06:35] <cradek> yay!
[18:14:04] <JT-Shop> sweet
[18:14:30] <Cromaglious_> ok my pi3 is on order
[18:15:10] <andypugh> Still a lot more work to do on that apron casting, including mounting the X motor, the drag-chain, making an oil pump….
[18:30:35] <Cromaglious_> I bought a pair of 9" tallsize 10 us mens linemen boots for 30. I though they were sz 11's
[18:31:05] <Cromaglious_> they are in decent shape, I'll have pictures up tomorrow
[19:08:13] <andypugh> New blog post to celebrate CNC motion.
[19:08:15] <andypugh> http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/holbrook7.html
[19:11:44] <__rob2> thats really cool
[19:11:51] <__rob2> bet that drilling operation wasn't fun
[19:12:22] <andypugh> It was pretty squeaky.
[19:21:07] <yasnak> Well, second shift puts new person on mill. Do not fully train, esspecially on a double vice and how they feel and should feel when both sides are locked down.
[19:21:14] <yasnak> Just blew a 5" facemill
[19:21:40] <Tom_itx> awesome
[19:21:44] <Tom_itx> take it outta their check
[19:22:40] <yasnak> Luckily its just the head, it bolts on. Probably can be rebuilt but not sure its worth the time (at least for me)
[19:22:58] <yasnak> What sucks more is they blew the setup/jaws
[19:23:11] <yasnak> *she heh
[19:25:06] <Tom_itx> how many machines do you have?
[19:25:28] <andypugh> Hard to blame someone for being inadequately trained. Though they ought to know that they are inadequately trained, I guess.
[19:25:56] <cradek> if only everyone could know what they don't know
[19:26:01] <Tom_itx> you don't know what you don't know
[19:26:32] <andypugh> You don’t know _all_ that you don’t know. Rumsfeld had it right.
[19:26:40] <Tom_itx> cradek there would be fewer jobs available
[19:27:36] <cradek> poor rumsfeld. wherever he goes, there he is. he's the only one who can't get away from rumsfeld.
[19:30:30] <_methods> when trump is president he can bring rumsfeld back
[19:30:33] <_methods> and cheney
[19:31:20] <andypugh> A perverse part of me wants to see what happens if Trump is elected president. The same part of me wants to see what happend if Britain leaves the EU.
[19:31:31] <_methods> the chaos bug
[19:31:38] <_methods> it won't be good
[19:31:48] <_methods> like that watching a train wreck thing
[19:31:49] <andypugh> I am fairly sure that both would be bad, but I am curious _how_ bad.
[19:32:19] <cradek> yeah, I guess it's fun to wonder who would end up in the camps first
[19:32:24] <_methods> well just 8 years of bush,cheney,rumsfeld trifecta gave us this
[19:32:51] <_methods> so imagine what someone as yuuuuuuuuge as trump would do with all that winning
[19:33:10] <_methods> mexico will build the wall just to protect themselves lol
[19:33:58] <andypugh> There is an old fire-ladder in our fire-engine garage. It has a label “This side to the wall” I want to add some Dymo tape that appends “When the Revolution comes”
[19:36:14] <FloppyDisk> With the gearchange comp and feeding that to the gs2_vfd, is there anything special I need to do to reverse direction for High/Low?
[19:36:36] <FloppyDisk> I have the gearchange.0.rev set to 1
[19:37:01] <FloppyDisk> And, when I monitor the gearchange.0.dir-out, it changes, but my spindle does not change direction.
[19:37:06] <andypugh> I think that is all you need.
[19:37:17] <FloppyDisk> That's what I thought too...
[19:37:28] <Cromaglious_> andypugh: ROFL good one!
[19:37:36] <andypugh> How do you reverse your spindle?
[19:38:06] <FloppyDisk> Ummmm...
[19:38:10] <FloppyDisk> I'm not sure!!!
[19:38:14] <FloppyDisk> sorry!
[19:38:16] <andypugh> Does a negative number cause reverse rotation?
[19:38:31] <FloppyDisk> I'll go check:-( Sorry...
[19:38:34] <andypugh> Have you ever had the spindle run backwards?
[19:39:05] <FloppyDisk> I originally set the spindle up backwards and reversed a wire to change direction. Let me go play w/ it.
[19:41:48] <FloppyDisk> I get an error - Negative spindle speed used if I enter a S-1000 and the spindle stops!
[19:42:10] <andypugh> Well, yes, that’s the wrong layer.
[19:42:21] <FloppyDisk> sorry.
[19:42:37] <andypugh> Does M4 gove a negative motion.spindle-speed-out, and does that make the spindle reverse?
[19:43:18] <FloppyDisk> thanks - let me try.
[19:43:20] <andypugh> (There are lots of ways to make things work, depending on the setup)
[19:43:46] <FloppyDisk> agreed - I have been getting more comfortable w/ the components, but I'm slow and need to 'draw' them out...
[19:44:03] <FloppyDisk> But, I can make them do what they're supposed, at least a little better.
[19:44:43] <zeeshan|2> is this a bug: if you have spindle override set to 0
[19:44:45] <andypugh> If you have an “abs” and are using the “is negative” to reverse the drive then you probably need that after the gearchange.
[19:44:59] <zeeshan|2> and you run a program, the program runs. and the axis start feeding
[19:45:02] <zeeshan|2> even tough the spindle isnt running
[19:45:22] <zeeshan|2> but if you dont override the spindle, it waits till it reachs the desired rpm before doing linear moves
[19:45:23] <andypugh> If you use motion.spindle-reverse then you may need to xor that with the gearchange.reverse pin.
[19:45:47] <FloppyDisk> M4 works spindle CCW and M3 is spindle CW.
[19:46:04] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: At spindle-overide = 0 then it is already at the set speed..
[19:46:13] <FloppyDisk> I'll look at the motion.spindle-reverse.
[19:46:13] <zeeshan|2> :P
[19:46:36] <andypugh> FloppyDisk: So, you need to figure out what revereses the spindle, and conbine that with the gearchange
[19:46:44] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: reason i worry is say vfd dies
[19:46:50] <zeeshan|2> in between a program
[19:46:54] <zeeshan|2> im not sure if the program will pause
[19:47:13] <andypugh> Depends if you have spindle speed feedback
[19:47:15] <zeeshan|2> i do
[19:47:21] <FloppyDisk> andypugh - got it, will look at that. Thank you for the help and the lathe looks awesome!
[19:47:26] <zeeshan|2> and i have spindle at speed setup
[19:47:43] <andypugh> So then, it will work. Spindle-override to zero is _very_ different to dead-VFD.
[19:47:58] <zeeshan|2> yea that makes sense now that you put it that way
[19:48:00] <zeeshan|2> =P
[19:48:22] <andypugh> And on that high note, I will go to sleep. :-)
[19:51:09] <FloppyDisk> I know andypugh checked off, but he's right as usual... motion.spindle-reverse is hooked up directly to the gs2_vfd comp and I think it needs to
[19:51:18] <FloppyDisk> go through the gearchange comp... duh.
[19:58:43] <__rob2> just been looking up hand scraping
[19:58:53] <__rob2> this does not give you a flat surface at all right ?
[19:59:04] <__rob2> just alot of flat areas that are all the same wrt to each other
[19:59:37] <__rob2> but your not expected to end up with a perfect blue surface when rubbing it on your master surface ?
[19:59:38] <cradek> pretty much, with the number of them and how close together they are depending on how much time you spend
[20:00:13] <cradek> surfaces that are too flat stick together and you usually don't want that. ever mess with gage blocks?
[20:00:16] <__rob2> yea, right, so its really the distribution of them that is the main thing ?
[20:00:41] <__rob2> so the flats are evenly distributed across the surface, and relatively fine
[20:02:03] <__rob2> just seems strange people are talking in millionths of an inch for hand scraping
[20:10:44] <Simonious> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t_t8Sp0fAg
[20:43:46] <ripple> typo in section 5 of the linuxcnc website on "Get Linuxcnc" page
[20:43:49] <ripple> Warning
[20:43:50] <ripple> Do not upgrade the operating system if promped to do so.
[20:44:13] <ripple> ****prompted****^
[20:46:14] <malcom2073> promped! heh
[20:47:08] <ripple> I found one for one of the mesa cards too but completely forgot which card and what section :/
[21:20:30] <tiwake_work> have another small batch of stuff on anodizing right now
[21:20:56] <tiwake_work> going to pull them out at 8:30pm :-/
[21:21:02] <tiwake_work> another 1.5 hours from now
[22:00:31] <MacGyverX> Hmm does anyone know of a resource that explains/has examples on how to adjust the steps per mm in the ini?
[22:01:31] <Tom_itx> umm i used to..
[22:04:25] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/stepconf.html#_axis_configuration
[22:04:34] <Tom_itx> not what i wanted but might help
[22:05:22] <MacGyverX> I can’t use stepconf. That’s why I need to adjust the ini directly.
[22:06:19] <Tom_itx> yeah i know... i'm looking
[22:11:44] <MacGyverX> kk
[22:12:12] <zeeshan|2> MacGyverX: do it hax style
[22:12:14] <zeeshan|2> change the cale
[22:12:16] <zeeshan|2> scale
[22:12:25] <zeeshan|2> put indicator, move a known distance and see if it matches
[22:12:26] <zeeshan|2> :P
[22:12:43] <zeeshan|2> find ratio between actual distance and commanded distance, and update scale!
[22:13:28] <MacGyverX> Yeah. I don’t want to spend half the day trial and erroring to set all that up. This stuff has to be documented somewhere
[22:13:46] <MacGyverX> I want to configure it correctly.
[22:13:46] <Tom_itx> it was but may have gotten deleted
[22:13:54] <Tom_itx> i can't find what i'm looking for now
[22:14:09] <MacGyverX> Hrmm
[22:14:12] <Tom_itx> parport or mesa card?
[22:14:24] <MacGyverX> Beaglebone Black
[22:14:57] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
[22:14:59] <Tom_itx> timing
[22:15:03] <Tom_itx> not steps
[22:15:17] <MacGyverX> Since the DB25 is a series of gpio and not a true parport. Stepconf is not useful
[22:17:30] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/motion/tweaking_steppers.html
[22:28:28] <FloppyDisk> Maybe section 2.10.3 here:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:AXIS-section
[22:28:49] <FloppyDisk> INI stepper scaling listed there.
[22:30:31] <Tom_itx> it's pretty easy to figure
[22:30:54] <Tom_itx> steps per rev * microsteps * turns / unit
[22:31:42] <Tom_itx> in my case it's 40000 per inch
[22:44:51] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks..
[22:45:17] <PetefromTn_> been thinking lately about things around here...
[22:45:31] <PetefromTn_> now that I have just about finished all the work I had to do to my home
[22:45:45] <PetefromTn_> I have to get the CNC's packaged up for transport very soon
[22:46:06] <PetefromTn_> the biggest hurdle I am going to have with that
[22:46:18] <PetefromTn_> has to do with the overall height of the Cincinatti
[22:46:45] <PetefromTn_> this house I was able to modify the garage shop door to allow it to be put inside without modifications to the machine
[22:47:13] <PetefromTn_> but that will PROBABLY not be the case with the house in Florida and does not appear to be with the house we are looking at currently
[22:47:40] <PetefromTn_> the electronics cabinet is by far the tallest point on the machine
[22:47:57] <PetefromTn_> at least when the millhead is stowed down on top of the table
[22:48:31] <PetefromTn_> I was planning to start cutting the top of the cabinet off and tig welding it back on after shortening the top
[22:48:50] <PetefromTn_> this would be quite a pain in the butt because I have to modify the door and everything
[22:49:42] <PetefromTn_> another issue is that most of the control wiring for the toolchanger and the power to the spindle motor all go out the right side of the very top of the electronics cabinet
[22:50:30] <PetefromTn_> so all those wires of which there are quite a few would have to be drilled into the new lowered top and the grommets they go thru reinserted into new holes coming out the top
[22:50:50] <PetefromTn_> after I finished the stair treads today I was out in the shop and started looking at the whole thing
[22:51:14] <PetefromTn_> the electronics cabinet is basically like a tall and wide high school locker
[22:51:29] <PetefromTn_> the top of it bolts to the side of the column
[22:51:58] <PetefromTn_> the bottom rests on top of a ledge that protrudes from the base of the mill in back
[22:52:34] <PetefromTn_> underneath this cabinet is another smaller electronics cabinet that houses the original main power transformer
[22:52:48] <PetefromTn_> this is no longer used now that the machine is single phase input
[22:52:55] <PetefromTn_> so I got to thinking
[22:53:05] <PetefromTn_> if I were to remove that box and the transformer
[22:53:25] <PetefromTn_> it may be possible to disconnect the entire electronics cabinet from the machine
[22:53:36] <PetefromTn_> and drop it off the ledge
[22:53:45] <PetefromTn_> and lower it down beside the ledge
[22:54:01] <PetefromTn_> to where the cabinet is just above the floor
[22:54:26] <PetefromTn_> this will require reworking the upper mount and extending it about six inches
[22:55:16] <PetefromTn_> the good news is that this additional distance would make it possible to NOT have to do any serious cutting or rerouting of the toolchanger and spindle motor cabling
[22:55:33] <PetefromTn_> the only modifications I would need to make would be
[22:55:58] <PetefromTn_> there is a rectangular hole in the back of the electronics cabinet that has wires running to the PC up front
[22:56:32] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:56:54] <PetefromTn_> I would have to slot that hole larger or move it to whatever new location lines up with the port and then rerun those much fewer wires
[22:57:17] <PetefromTn_> this would make the entire machine low enough to insert it in any garage door
[22:57:35] <PetefromTn_> sorry for the long text I am kinda thinking out loud here ;)
