#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-02-26

[00:13:40] <bobo_> zeeshan heres hopping sometime in the future your crack accountant says you owe a couple hundred K
[00:16:19] <bobo_> hopping/hopeing
[02:16:55] <Deejay> moin
[04:11:23] <DRGray> when homing my x axis it always seems to over run slightly and jam
[04:11:25] <DRGray> any ideas
[04:13:14] <DRGray> erm i think its when i changes direction rapidly
[04:13:19] <DRGray> it sort of stalls or jams
[04:13:39] <archivist> acceleration too fast?
[04:13:52] <minibnz> evening all.
[04:14:44] <DRGray> ill try turning it down a little
[04:15:17] <minibnz> DRGray do you have any backlash compensation enabled? if you are moving fast the backlash takeup motion is usually faster. it might be topping out your steppers.
[04:15:36] <DRGray> ok where is backlash compensation?
[04:15:44] <DRGray> its a setting :)
[04:16:15] <minibnz> ie if you have 1mm of backlash comp. then you change directions at 40mm/min it will usually whip the first 1mm at a higher speed.
[04:16:52] <minibnz> there is a backlash setting in the AXIS block of the ini file. if its not 0.00 then its enabled.
[04:17:15] <minibnz> there might be a setting to control the backlash speed but i am not aware of that, i dont know a lot..
[04:17:19] <DRGray> on the home it goes back and forth a couple of times then just makes a buzzing noise
[04:18:31] <minibnz> hmmm..... how fast is it trying to move when homing? usually you move sorta fast until you think you are close then it all slows up.. then moves back and forth once or twice to get home
[04:19:00] <minibnz> but that said the buzzing sound does sound like a overdriven stepper
[04:19:15] <DRGray> its when it moves back and forth just jams up
[04:19:22] <DRGray> as in to fast?
[04:19:34] <DRGray> i have no entry for backlash
[04:19:50] <minibnz> oh h5 let me double check the location
[04:20:07] <minibnz> there should be a entry for each axis entry.
[04:21:16] <minibnz> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:AXIS-section
[04:21:27] <minibnz> If backlash is added to an axis and you are using steppers the STEPGEN_MAXACCEL must be increased to 1.5 to 2 times the MAX_ACCELERATION for the axis.
[04:21:57] <DRGray> its now working, it seems to do it intermittently, it homes goes back and forth and then as its going to go to the home position it doenst move and just buzzes
[04:21:59] <minibnz> oh thats not quite what i meant.. i read it differently the first time..
[04:22:35] <DRGray> is it quite standard to add backlash in?
[04:22:57] <DRGray> frustrating its stopped doing it now!!!
[04:23:17] <DRGray> erm ok when it got to the home position it did it
[04:23:22] <DRGray> buzzz stop
[04:23:26] <DRGray> but no movement
[04:23:28] <minibnz> that sounds like it might be right on the limit of not enough power depending on where it stops
[04:23:35] <minibnz> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Homing_And_Limit_Switch
[04:24:04] <minibnz> HOME_SEARCH_VEL = X somewhere you can set the homing speed with that tag.
[04:24:40] <DRGray> yeah ive set it much slower
[04:24:49] <DRGray> normal speed is 15, home speed is 8
[04:25:01] <minibnz> ahh and its still doing it?
[04:25:14] <DRGray> straight after i can press + or - and it works fine
[04:25:20] <DRGray> thats why i think its with changing direction fast
[04:25:51] <minibnz> maybe as a test write a little gcode that makes the same movements and see if its does the same. that way you can at least limit the seach to homing.
[04:27:00] <minibnz> try moving 10mm left then right a few times then measure where you end up and see if you can measure the difference. by doing it a few times you multiply the error if there is any
[04:28:09] <minibnz> try doing that in the middle of the axis and then close to the home pos to make sure its not something binding at one end.
[04:29:12] <minibnz> i know with my mill at the moment if i drive the bed to full extension it binds a little. i gotta get me some leadscrews... now i has me a job.. i can buy stuffs again :)
[04:29:31] <minibnz> and by stuffs i mean things other than 2min noodles :)
[04:30:59] <archivist> stalling is steppers to low in torque or you are accelerating too fast
[04:31:20] <archivist> or machine friction too high
[04:31:38] <archivist> you need headroom for cutting
[04:35:20] <DRGray> yes
[04:35:39] <DRGray> i could turn the voltage up a little
[04:35:42] <DRGray> the motors are cool
[04:36:12] <DRGray> i just dont want to chew the nut up
[04:36:19] <archivist> volts really helps keep it high
[04:36:46] <DRGray> ok ill add some volts
[04:37:58] <DRGray> just running latency-test will do it when thats finished
[04:38:55] <__rob> just about to do a critcal bore through http://snag.gy/BvPio.jpg to the 3rd layer, its 9.8mm drill bit
[04:39:01] <__rob> and gonna ream out to 9.98
[04:39:18] <__rob> should I pilot or anything first with this sizE ?
[04:39:21] <__rob> or just spot it
[04:39:24] <__rob> and drill
[04:40:14] <__rob> need this to be perfect!
[04:43:11] <archivist> a stubby spot drill, second best a centre drill
[04:47:54] <__rob> the ones with a little nipple bit on it ?
[04:49:09] <__rob> will show what I have
[04:51:14] <__rob> http://snag.gy/zSUY5.jpg
[04:51:42] <minibnz> that be a centre drill.
[04:52:00] <__rob> http://snag.gy/erk0n.jpg
[04:52:01] <__rob> and that
[04:53:44] <__rob> spot is 8mm I think
[04:53:49] <__rob> carbide
[04:54:38] <__rob> so what I'm worried about is wander between each layer
[04:54:47] <DRGray> still doing it
[04:54:54] <DRGray> just james
[04:55:15] <__rob> wondering if I am better to spot, drill, and remove each layer as I go
[04:55:27] <__rob> or use the previous layer to guide the drill to the next rather then spot
[04:55:40] <__rob> relllly dont want to fuck it up :)
[04:56:36] <__rob> on the next one, think I will drill the side holes and keyways, and drill out solid blocks for that bore, before milling the insides
[04:56:40] <DRGray> if i set it to 1mm in the x axis test and hit run it works fine
[04:56:55] <DRGray> 0.5 it works fine
[04:57:52] <DRGray> maybe i should oil it up more
[04:58:29] <minibnz> DRGray does it work fine with 5mm? might need more time to accelerate up to a higher speed before the problem shows up. you might not be hitting full speed with such short moves.
[04:58:39] <minibnz> more oil cant really hurt :)
[04:58:40] <DRGray> yeah fine with 5 mm
[04:58:50] <minibnz> ok
[04:59:17] <minibnz> maybe you have to cut the acceleration right back and work your way up..
[04:59:18] <DRGray> i just did it 4 times it jammed once
[04:59:24] <DRGray> as soon as it jams, i stop it
[04:59:27] <minibnz> ahh
[04:59:40] <minibnz> ok oil and oil would be a good start.
[04:59:44] <DRGray> then do continuous movment in the home direction and it runs fine
[04:59:55] <minibnz> maybe see if you can check the slides are not nicked.
[05:00:15] <DRGray> i was wondering if it was some sort of weight balance issue
[05:00:45] <DRGray> as at the home switch the stepper is by it maybe its causing a tilt and jamming it
[05:00:58] <minibnz> oh causing your bed to bind only when it over hangs. how heavy is the stepper? maybe sit a vice on the other end to counter balance as a test
[05:01:07] <DRGray> can i tune the way the home works the back and forward bit a bit lsower?
[05:01:18] <DRGray> its a nema 17
[05:01:27] <DRGray> its only a small bed. about 300mm long
[05:01:36] <DRGray> its a proxxon 70 micro mill
[05:01:45] <minibnz> nema17 hmmmmm
[05:01:59] <DRGray> its a small unit though
[05:02:08] <minibnz> thats pretty weak whats its torque raating and gear ratio?
[05:02:36] <minibnz> have you tried to cut something with it yet?
[05:02:56] <minibnz> just wondering if you are going to have enough push to cut nice
[05:03:26] <minibnz> when you enable the machine with a F2 can you turn the handle on the axis against the stepper?
[05:04:06] <DRGray> as in am i stronger then the stepper motor...
[05:04:07] <DRGray> yes
[05:04:32] <minibnz> i realise you are going to use small cutters on that but you need to bit of force to cut nice, if you accidentily climb mill something it might pull the bed..
[05:05:01] <minibnz> is it sorta similar force or greater than when you hand crank a test cut?
[05:05:06] <DRGray> it is a stock design though with the motors
[05:05:27] <minibnz> oh ok so its not a bits setup of your own random selection :)
[05:06:00] <minibnz> do you have the current settings on the drivers turned up enough?
[05:06:13] <DRGray> ah good point
[05:06:22] <DRGray> ill try that
[05:06:34] <minibnz> are they adjustable? maybe just try turning it up a little and see if that fixed it. might neater solution.
[05:07:23] <minibnz> after you adjust them you can leave them enabled and holding but not moving to see if they will get too hot.
[05:07:31] <DRGray> ok
[05:07:36] <DRGray> just changed the amps
[05:07:40] <DRGray> i had it on a low seting
[05:07:48] <DRGray> now i nearlly cant turn them
[05:08:03] <minibnz> ahh now your cooking with gas...
[05:09:27] <minibnz> mine go click click click when i force the handle.. i have nice large nema 23's and i think they are a bit small for the job at hand.. i certainly need a larger one for the Z axis. the X and Y are pretty good. but more torque is always good :)
[05:09:28] <DRGray> there rated at 1.8 amp per phase
[05:09:33] <DRGray> so i have just set the driver to that
[05:09:38] <DRGray> and i’m giving it 20 volts
[05:10:07] <DRGray> when it kicks of there is a slight click from the furthest axis
[05:10:17] <DRGray> not sure if it is jamed slightly and the motor force past it now
[05:10:27] <minibnz> you can usually crank up the voltage if your drivers are curent controled. just check the driver max input voltage.
[05:11:04] <DRGray> i think something is jaming
[05:11:14] <minibnz> does the axis have any backlash pyhsically?
[05:11:27] <minibnz> maybe its just taking up that and thats what you now hear?
[05:11:40] <DRGray> how can i tell?
[05:11:45] <minibnz> no load on the stepper for that instant..
[05:11:55] <minibnz> you need to measure for backlash.
[05:12:12] <minibnz> digital calipers if you have nothing better like a dial indicator.
[05:12:54] <DRGray> i have ditital calipers
[05:13:03] <DRGray> ok as in you ask it to move x, then measure it?
[05:13:05] <minibnz> tell the axis to move 10mm to the left then back to the right and measure how far off zero is..
[05:13:17] <minibnz> then do it again over 100mm to be sure.
[05:14:37] <minibnz> the difference is the backlash you can put that in your ini file. so when you change directions it wil move the stepper more or less to compensate for it.. but these moves will be faster than the usual move i am not sure what sets the backlash speed. maybe your rapid speed is used.
[05:16:14] <minibnz> then if you are still unsure you can add a rediculous number into the backlash setting to see if the jamm period gets extended. up it to 10mm then it will try and drive it for 10mm's worth of steps ths will make the buzz sound longer if you are over driving the stepper.. if the buzz does not change its is most probably a jam in the axis.
[05:17:23] <minibnz> my axis had 0.52mm of backlash before i split my nuts.. :) and i could see clearly that the handle would spin fast for about half a turn then do the normal cutting speed.
[05:34:27] <DRGray> crazy
[05:34:39] <DRGray> im not to sure wahts going on now
[05:35:16] <DRGray> ive turned my speed and acceleration down
[05:35:21] <DRGray> it in travel it sounds nice
[05:35:31] <DRGray> but when it stops and starts it sounds grindy
[05:37:21] <DRGray> not direction hold and setup?
[05:43:07] <DRGray> i might put a counterweight on the x axis
[06:04:16] <MrSunshine> so .. .im right back where i started with the machine ... figuring out how to precision grind my rails
[06:04:37] <MrSunshine> found that due to angular error in my grind and stuff the center of the berings differ 0.3mm over the length of the rail
[06:05:10] <MrSunshine> was thinking some filing dohickey but cant figure how.. =)
[06:06:27] <MrSunshine> i guess the first step is to file it down to a uniform height atleast
[06:08:26] <XXCoder> cant you use lathe to even grinder up?
[06:08:28] <archivist> you can get reasonable with a file
[06:08:34] <XXCoder> if you has one
[06:09:19] <MrSunshine> the problem with the grinding ive done is that the rail bent as i was working with it =)
[06:09:20] <archivist> get some rails fix it properly :)
[06:09:38] <MrSunshine> archivist: cant afford to buy stuff right now :(
[06:10:37] <DaViruz> has anyone seen andypugh?
[06:11:47] <archivist> he is off on a skiing holiday
[06:12:25] <malcom2073> He's back, he was in here last night
[06:12:52] <DaViruz> oh.
[06:13:23] <DaViruz> i need to interview him, planning on going to the alps myself
[06:22:37] <pink_vampire> hi
[08:06:56] <gregcnc> he was in last night
[08:07:29] <gregcnc> oops
[08:13:54] <gregcnc> Is Fusion 360 an easy switch for a Solidworks driver?
[08:29:00] <_methods> YEAH
[08:29:03] <_methods> oops
[08:29:19] <_methods> it's an easier transition for an inventor user
[08:30:13] <_methods> the only thing that is really "unusual" is there mate/joining system
[08:30:17] <_methods> for assemblies
[08:30:20] <gregcnc> i've got someone asking me to teach them CAM on 360 and i've nver touched it, and they have never done CAM
[08:30:41] <_methods> took me a minute to figure out wtf they were doing there
[08:31:23] <_methods> well i personally recommend people to use inventor instead of fusion since it's actually industry applicable and they have the same free license model
[08:31:44] <_methods> so why waste your time learning some cut down hobbyist trash when you can learn something that applies to industry
[08:32:18] <gregcnc> but is there a free 3D cam plugin?
[08:32:28] <_methods> hsmexpress is
[08:32:33] <gregcnc> 2.5D
[08:32:48] <_methods> yeah fusion 360 is only 2.5 d also
[08:34:49] <MrSunshine> well that was an hour totaly worth it with the file ...
[08:35:12] <_methods> hell maybe hsmexpress only works with solidworks
[08:35:18] <MrSunshine> fixed the thickness errors ... before i could run the machine at MAX 200mm/s and it started stalling ... now i was up at 330mm/s before it started stalling =)
[08:35:26] <_methods> i thought it worked with anything
[08:35:59] <gregcnc> I think fusion 360 include 3D CAM
[08:36:00] <MrSunshine> 19.8 meters/min or 779 inches/min i guess it is =)
[08:36:02] <_methods> ah they have inventor hsm
[08:36:14] <_methods> which has the same license
[08:36:28] <_methods> http://cam.autodesk.com/try-inventor-hsm/
[08:36:30] <MrSunshine> tho not much torque left in the steppers but its very promising as everything goes very nice if they still can run it at those speeds =)
[08:37:38] <MrSunshine> now for the next rail ... =)
[08:40:29] <_methods> but fusion360 isn't bad or anything, except for the mates/unions
[08:40:59] <gregcnc> Yeah, Fusion includes 3D, that's why people use it.
[08:41:04] <_methods> i just think if you wanted your time spent learning to be more applicable to industry related stuff then i'd go inventor
[08:42:35] <gregcnc> It's not my call, I run SW. Up until a few months ago this project was drawn in 2D, may as well have been napkins.
[08:42:50] <_methods> hehe
[08:43:05] <_methods> well if they don't care then sure teach them on whatever they want
[08:43:23] <_methods> but transitioning to fusion360 from solidworks should be fairly easy
[08:43:35] <_methods> much like going between solidworks and inventor
[08:44:03] <_methods> and the cam package between the 3 is identical pretty much
[08:44:16] <gregcnc> I'll see how this works out, over email no less
[08:44:27] <_methods> teach over email?
[08:44:43] <gregcnc> yeah
[08:45:00] <_methods> oh ouch
[08:45:44] <_methods> so this guy that has never done cam before is actually using full 3d toolpaths?
[08:46:06] <_methods> has a 4 or 5 axis machine?
[08:46:37] <gregcnc> The project is much more complicated than necessary. I could do it myself, if i had enough extra cash using off the shelf stuff.
[08:47:15] <_methods> sounds like you got your work cut out lol
[08:47:20] <gregcnc> They decided to make a lot themselves and know nothing about making much, have never used CAM or machined anyhting
[08:47:48] <_methods> the ole' dive in the deep end approach
[08:49:44] <gregcnc> it's complicated. my part was the mechanical side and unfortunately I have the CAD/CAM knowledge, but they are 2000 miles away.
[08:51:35] <wicki_> hi again....
[08:55:19] <PetefromTn_> Morning folks
[08:56:18] <wicki_> I m still searching for a gcode-(or hpgl)-postprocessor to use a tangential knife. inkscape is nor realy useful for this. gcodetools and tcnc are not working as expected
[08:56:28] <wicki_> any hints?
[09:01:01] <_methods> only way i know of besides writing your own post
[09:01:39] <_methods> hola PetefromTn_
[09:01:43] <_methods> how goes the cabinet making
[09:01:56] <PetefromTn_> meh its a pain in the ass honestly :D
[09:02:20] <PetefromTn_> I got all the doors primed, and have two coats of color on them now
[09:02:33] <PetefromTn_> I got a couple small runs not sure why but I am gonna have to fix them
[09:02:49] <PetefromTn_> so sand and recoat
[09:02:58] <PetefromTn_> then I get to hand glaze them all
[09:03:16] <PetefromTn_> then I can finally shoot the clear coat on them and get the damn things installed
[09:03:40] <_methods> oh you glazed all the other stuff?
[09:03:42] <_methods> ouch
[09:03:59] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah
[09:04:07] <PetefromTn_> it looks nice but it is a lot of work
[09:04:22] <PetefromTn_> basically I took the stock oak nothing boring cabinets
[09:04:25] <PetefromTn_> and stripped them down
[09:04:32] <_methods> yeah glazing is hell
[09:04:33] <PetefromTn_> fixed all the little problems
[09:04:46] <PetefromTn_> and added proper finished ends
[09:04:48] <_methods> especially trying to match prexisting glaze
[09:04:51] <PetefromTn_> light rails
[09:04:57] <PetefromTn_> crown and crown base
[09:05:24] <PetefromTn_> built a couple new cabinets
[09:05:36] <_methods> damn you been all kinds of busy beaver
[09:05:39] <PetefromTn_> just trying to polish a turd here LOL
[09:06:00] <PetefromTn_> oh the glaze was not pre-existing
[09:06:09] <PetefromTn_> the original finish was just a stain and clear
[09:06:13] <_methods> ahhh
[09:06:15] <PetefromTn_> now it is a creme color
[09:06:20] <_methods> you glazed the whole kitchen?
[09:06:22] <PetefromTn_> with a van dyke brown glaze
[09:06:30] <_methods> you crazy bastard
[09:06:31] <PetefromTn_> and two coats clear
[09:06:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah redid everything
[09:07:02] <PetefromTn_> I guess I figured if I was gonna NOT be able to sell at least I would enjoy our new kitchen ;D
[09:07:09] <_methods> hahahah
[09:07:18] <PetefromTn_> we were for sale for almost 3 years man
[09:07:35] <PetefromTn_> I took down the wall cabinets first
[09:07:37] <PetefromTn_> redid them
[09:07:45] <PetefromTn_> reinstalled them
[09:07:59] <PetefromTn_> then got new counter tops just some cool looking post forms
[09:08:08] <PetefromTn_> then pulled out the bases and sink etc
[09:08:10] <PetefromTn_> redid them
[09:08:16] <PetefromTn_> reinstalled them with the new tops
[09:08:34] <_methods> you're making me tired
[09:08:34] <PetefromTn_> and been working on the doors for awhile in my spare time
[09:08:51] <PetefromTn_> I WAS planning on making all new raised panel doors
[09:08:58] <PetefromTn_> but when we sold and I needed to HURRY
[09:09:09] <PetefromTn_> I just sanded down the original doors
[09:09:16] <PetefromTn_> and repaired any damage
[09:09:24] <PetefromTn_> and now trying to get them finished
[09:09:34] <PetefromTn_> still gotta find some nice hinges for them all
[09:09:44] <PetefromTn_> they had the barrel style hinges
[09:09:55] <PetefromTn_> but I was gonna get some concealed ones
[09:09:55] <JT-Shop> how long before your out of there?
[09:10:01] <PetefromTn_> mar21
[09:10:10] <PetefromTn_> machines are leaving here sometime next week
[09:10:38] <JT-Shop> now you have to change your nick lol
[09:10:58] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I have TONS of stuff I gotta do LOL
[09:11:12] <PetefromTn_> right now waiting for paint to dry LOL
[09:11:16] * SpeedEvil ponders lowered panel doors.
[09:11:30] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[09:11:46] <gregcnc> I didn't know van dyke glaze was a thing. I just thought people never cleaned the crevices of their cabinets.
[09:11:52] <PetefromTn_> I got a curved raised knife
[09:11:57] <PetefromTn_> and a beveled raised
[09:12:15] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[09:12:27] <PetefromTn_> trying to make them look like nobody ever cleaned em LOL
[09:12:47] <PetefromTn_> when I worked in the custom cabinet shops we routinely beat the snot out of cabinets to purposely distress them
[09:13:07] <PetefromTn_> then we would play with custom glazes to make it look real
[09:13:21] <PetefromTn_> but then would spray clear all over it so it looks new LOL
[09:13:38] <PetefromTn_> but hey they people ate that shit up!
[09:14:02] <gregcnc> i get the distressed thing sort of, but the dirty look is not appealing. Like the cars with clearcoat over rust, or even painted like rust.
[09:14:31] <PetefromTn_> well honestly it is not really a dirty look, hell even home depot sells cabinets like this nowadays
[09:16:00] <gregcnc> I've probably not seen a good job
[09:16:34] <PetefromTn_> I can say that even without doors it probably helped sell my house ;)
[09:17:23] <gregcnc> whatever works
[09:17:54] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I quite like it
[09:18:15] <PetefromTn_> when we get to Florida most likely the house we buy will probably NOT have a stellar kitchen
[09:18:26] <PetefromTn_> and I will probably be doing all of this again :D
[09:18:39] <PetefromTn_> but at least I will WANT to do it there
[09:18:59] <gregcnc> you'll get to enjoy it
[09:19:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah we have no plans on ever moving away from there
[09:19:51] <PetefromTn_> and knowing me if we can get a nice comfortable house I will probably never leave it either hehehe I HATE moving
[09:22:21] <DRGray> in GCODE im guessing when using G0
[09:22:25] <DRGray> is F ? the speed
[09:23:47] <gregcnc> G0 will move at machine rapid speed regardless of F
[09:23:59] <gregcnc> G1 will move at F
[09:24:34] <DRGray> thank
[09:24:45] <DRGray> it seems that i have to set F on each line
[09:25:09] <DRGray> no possibly i was setting F before calling G1
[09:27:17] <_methods> F is modal
[09:27:22] <gregcnc> F is modal. This means it doesn't change until it's called with a new value.
[09:27:26] <_methods> once it's set it stays active until changed
[09:27:29] <_methods> lol
[09:27:40] <DRGray> and its mm per min?
[09:27:47] <_methods> if you set it to metric
[09:28:35] <gregcnc> you'll want to read the docs regard gcode, mcode and their function
[09:29:11] <gregcnc> it will go a long way to understanding how programs work.
[09:30:05] <DRGray> yes gradually going through it
[09:31:59] <DRGray> can i set a different feed rate just for Z
[09:35:34] <DRGray> well ive drilled some holes
[09:35:46] <archivist> you should get into the habit of setting what you want and not hoping some modal value rescues you
[09:36:09] <DRGray> so your saying set the F on each line
[09:39:02] <DRGray> im tryinig to find a good guide on the tools any direction?
[09:40:24] <Roguish> DRGray: Gcode is a simple language. http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html
[09:40:43] <DRGray> and its from gcode i handle all the tool info?
[09:40:46] <archivist> Ithere are many speed and feed calculators on the net, but note they are often for better tooling and big machines
[09:43:14] <__rob> archivist, that bore worked perfectly
[09:43:32] <archivist> good
[09:43:37] <__rob> bearings with a light push fit and the axle spins free
[09:44:20] <__rob> yup, thanks for the help with all that, jig made it really easy
[09:44:26] <__rob> just took each layer off after drill and ream
[09:56:58] <_methods> ah so you got your parts lining up alright
[09:57:31] <Duc> where is a good source for multiconductor cable. Looking for a 4/12 AWG and 8/16awg in same cable
[09:57:47] <Roguish> Beldin and Alpha wire.
[09:57:57] <SpeedEvil> the expensive shop
[09:58:24] <Duc> LOL
[09:58:26] <SpeedEvil> heatshrink can work
[10:00:23] <Duc> wonder if tpc wire has something for controller wire
[10:02:24] <Duc> I can find servo cable with signals but the tsudakoma rotary puts all the home switches, clamp switch and booster wires on with the motor power
[10:04:17] <Duc> wonder if I could move some over to the encoder plug
[10:06:38] <SpeedEvil> There is moderately good reason to seperate motor and sensor
[10:11:09] <Duc> The switches shouldnt cause problems with the encoder.
[10:11:27] <Duc> except the 110v booster signal but leave that with the motor
[10:11:42] <joem_> pink_vampire, around? check out my flood table https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvlL8a7w94
[10:12:17] <pink_vampire> I'm here :)
[10:12:39] <pink_vampire> I like you voice.
[10:12:49] <joem_> lol ok
[10:13:51] <pink_vampire> the hydrophobic surface is super cool!!
[10:14:11] <joem_> yeah, never played with one before
[10:14:15] <joem_> i put some honey on it
[10:14:17] <joem_> then blew the honey around
[10:14:23] <joem_> it didn't stick to anythign but itself
[10:14:30] <Sync> yeah, it is a neat trick
[10:14:33] <pink_vampire> cool!
[10:14:46] <joem_> i touched the honey with a kitchen paper, just barely touched it, and all the honey came with the paper
[10:15:21] <joem_> i wiped all the superhydrophobic coating off the actual drain and now it drains much better
[10:15:27] <joem_> it needs to be leveled
[10:15:31] <pink_vampire> i you can try to make the angle grater, to move the chips with the flood. other than that - GRATE JOB!
[10:16:17] <pink_vampire> ignore the "i" at the beginning
[10:16:49] <Sync> well, without a chip conveyor there is not much sense to do so
[10:20:41] <CaptHindsight> joem_: I use soda for coolant as well :)
[10:20:53] <joem_> :P
[10:21:10] <joem_> and honey
[10:28:25] <pink_vampire> honey is similar to the cutting oil.
[10:29:19] <SpeedEvil> catches more flies though
[10:29:35] <gregcnc> yeah, vactra 2 is great on french toast
[10:29:41] <_methods> yum
[10:31:12] <gregcnc> curious, how durable is the hydrophobic coating?
[10:32:06] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty cool man
[10:32:18] <PetefromTn_> never seen that coating before
[10:32:53] <pink_vampire> where did you get the hydrophobic paint?
[10:32:53] <DaViruz> i prefer Jet Oil II on my toast
[10:33:27] <PetefromTn_> I made the coolant trough for my RF45 much the same way only I did it with furniture grade plywood, biscuits, pocket screws, and I sealed the whole thing with fiberglass mesh and epoxy and then painted the whole inside with epoxy based industrial paint.
[10:33:41] <pink_vampire> I'm using dry lubricant.
[10:34:01] <archivist> real lubricant http://harviestoun.com/shop/products/old-engine-oil
[10:34:04] <PetefromTn_> it actually worked quite well and I never had any leaking issues
[10:35:13] <SpeedEvil> joem_: what coolant are you actually using?
[10:35:16] <SpeedEvil> ^going to be
[10:35:29] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder how the coating will handle grime and chips
[10:36:29] <joem_> SpeedEvil, duno