#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-02-25

[00:00:09] <jfindley> That would be pretty cool. Down here they do something similar for hogs and other things that destroy livestock/crops. Bring them the ears or tails, and you get some cash. Everyone is invited to participate, though.
[00:01:21] <jfindley> anomynous: I think I see what you're saying.
[00:02:03] <jfindley> It really doesn't matter how many hogs you kill, though. For every one that dies, 6 more take its place.
[00:03:32] <minibnz> they used to have a bunty on red foxes.. $10pc all you had to do was hand in a ear..
[00:04:17] <jfindley> I think the first thing I'd want to do is get a landrover and beat the hell out of it.
[00:04:18] <minibnz> victorian state govt accepted the left and the south australian accepted the right.. you can see what happened there.. double dipping so now its something like 2.50
[00:04:45] <minibnz> no not a rover.. a cruiser.. as in land cruiser by toyota.. they are the shiz..
[00:05:08] <minibnz> parts aplenty.. and they last for ever and then some..
[00:05:27] <minibnz> the troop carrier version is the most favoured..
[00:07:56] <jfindley> I could go for a manual v8 4x4.
[00:09:51] <minibnz> oh yeah. go deisel if you plan on goin in the middle.. you often only see trucks.. they dont carry petrol/gas :)
[00:10:32] <minibnz> ok i have to go now.. talk later...
[01:48:07] <maxcnc> Morning from a early Cold Sunny Germany
[01:48:30] <maxcnc> Hard Workday ahead
[01:48:41] <maxcnc> but weekend nears ;-)
[01:49:48] <maxcnc> back later
[02:15:48] <Deejay> moin
[05:58:00] <__rob> anyone know how my rapid speed will be set
[05:58:11] <__rob> I can't see any FXXX in the CAM output for G0
[05:58:16] <__rob> not sure where it gets this value from
[06:01:40] <XXCoder> __rob: there is none as it is "max possible"
[06:01:47] <XXCoder> dont use g00 to cut
[06:02:07] <__rob> no, of course
[06:02:30] <__rob> just wondering why sometimes, between cuts its not rapid
[06:02:36] <__rob> might just be outputting G01 instead
[06:02:45] <XXCoder> yeah possible
[07:21:38] <DRGray> Ok for those who might of heard me yesterday i solved my z axis going the wrong way.. i used scale in the Hal
[07:21:42] <DRGray> i just made it negative
[07:21:56] <DRGray> and decided to not inver the direction pins based on someones advice
[07:27:15] <Tom_itx> yeah that's the easy way out
[07:38:56] <DRGray> my drill is fixed and my stage moves
[07:39:19] <DRGray> at the moment i cant move my bed towards the drill
[07:39:42] <DRGray> as this would make it go negativly
[07:39:54] <DRGray> i think ive realised something
[07:40:19] <DRGray> physically im seeing it different to the program.
[07:42:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.cncexpo.com/Cartesian.aspx
[07:45:30] <Tom_itx> The coordinate system is viewed from the programmer's perspective. The programmer calculates tool movements relative to a "stationary work surface". Because of that, an axes + direction can appear to be backwards when the tool is stationary and the work surface moves to machine the part. The key is to always view the coordinate system as if the tool is moving and the work surface is stationary, even if it's not! Then the axis + direction by the ri
[07:46:04] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/user-concepts.html#_machine_configurations
[07:46:27] <Tom_itx> building a snowwman today?
[07:47:02] <jthornton> lol, we got 1/2" of snow then it rained for a few hours
[07:49:56] <DRGray> yes trying to
[07:50:23] <DRGray> bizar now. on the y axis when i hit home. it goes in the correct directio then. when it hits the home switch keeps trying to go
[07:50:32] <DRGray> apart from the switch not working could it be anything else?
[07:51:58] <gregcnc> http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/02/23/zimbabwe-park-to-cull-200-lions-cites-lack-of-hunters/
[07:56:56] <DRGray> im guessing maybe its how i have set my table lenght and home switch position
[07:58:57] <DRGray> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/images/mill-diagram.png
[07:59:02] <DRGray> this is exactly how my setup looks
[07:59:35] <gregcnc> Its a matter of getting the signs correct for home search directions as well as the coordinate for the switch set correctly.
[08:00:17] <gregcnc> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-homing.html#cha:homing-configuration
[08:01:36] <witnit> DRGray: http://psha.org.ru/emc2ru/ru/hal/halshow-1.png you should probably bring up this screen and check your signals tab and see if your home switch is actually signally and then read gregcnc 's link to determine your homing sequence
[08:01:46] <gregcnc> well the ini has to match the physical configuration
[08:02:11] <witnit> signaling* :P
[08:03:26] <gregcnc> yes, knowing if linuxcnc is getting the signal will prevent much headache
[08:18:23] <DRGray> ok it was fine
[08:18:37] <DRGray> i was gettiing home location and home switch location muddled up
[08:19:10] <DRGray> getting much closer
[08:39:01] <enleth> would you rather recommend using the GUI tool to configure 6i25+7i77 I/O, or writing the configuration by hand?
[08:40:12] <enleth> (GUI tool meaning pncconf, to be specific)
[08:40:27] <gregcnc> pncconf got the basics setup for me, but somethings were wrong and had to be fixed.
[08:41:21] <archivist> only use the tool for initial guess then edit
[08:41:31] <enleth> I just wonder if forcing myself to write it by hand from scratch would be beneficial in the long term in that I'll need to understand it right off the bat
[08:41:57] <gregcnc> the latest update mentions fixing some things though
[08:42:14] <enleth> OTOH I'd probably start out with some kinf of an example/template config anyway
[08:42:18] <enleth> *kind
[08:42:19] <gregcnc> right
[08:49:06] <DRGray> ok so if my treversing path is 70mm
[08:49:13] <DRGray> my table size is 140mm right?
[08:52:59] <gregcnc> are you setting min / max_limit?
[08:53:59] <DRGray> no im just going over the spec of the table
[08:54:47] <gregcnc> the table size is not necessarily related to the travels
[09:03:54] <DRGray> ok im trying to find a guid e on getting the leadscrew pitch right in mm
[09:03:57] <DRGray> any good ones?
[09:05:05] <DRGray> funny in the manual it says leadscrew pitch can be negative to reverse direction
[09:06:01] <gregcnc> do you know the pitch?
[09:16:39] <enleth> DRGray: do you want to determine it experimentally?
[09:18:33] <DRGray> i would like to be able to measure it with a calipre
[09:33:59] <enleth> an indicator would be a better tool here
[09:35:29] <enleth> mount it on the saddle (or some other part of the machine that moves relative to the table), position the plunger parallel to table travel and rest it against something attached to the table (or attach the indicator to the table and rest the plunger agains the saddle, w/e)
[09:35:35] <enleth> then make a full motor turn
[09:36:28] <gregcnc> ball and lead screws generally only produced in a few pitches. is the pitch questionable or some very unusual machine?
[09:37:04] <gregcnc> does it not have dials?( though some machines were marked with inch dial and had metric screws)
[09:37:47] <enleth> gregcnc: a machine factory equipped with a DRO may lack dials
[09:37:55] <enleth> mine does
[09:38:19] <gregcnc> I just measure the screw itself
[09:38:32] <gregcnc> OK
[09:39:40] <DRGray> sory
[09:39:51] <DRGray> yeah thats what i was thinking about doing
[09:40:00] <DRGray> but its knowing what to measure
[09:40:46] <DRGray> f you chose mm units, enter the number of millimeters per revolution (e.g., enter 2 for 2mm/rev)
[09:40:49] <DRGray> according to the manual
[09:41:19] <DRGray> milimiteres of what?
[09:41:36] <gregcnc> screw pitch
[09:42:52] <gregcnc> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_axis__lt_num_gt_section
[09:43:08] <gregcnc> near the bottom you'll see servo and stepper axis scale setup
[09:43:27] <gregcnc> http://www.roton.com/identify_threads.aspx#pitch
[09:46:05] <gregcnc> which machine is it?
[09:47:02] <DRGray> http://www.proxxon.com/en/micromot/27112.php
[09:52:04] <gregcnc> google says that machine has 1mm pitch screws
[09:52:05] <DRGray_> can you send me the link?
[09:52:05] <DRGray_> my google foo is poor today it turns out
[09:53:03] <gregcnc> www.7-8ths.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16679828.0;attach=20157
[09:53:30] <DRGray> thanks
[09:54:51] <gregcnc> so it's just some math to determine axis scale
[09:56:55] <DRGray> well something is off now
[09:57:07] <DRGray> ive set the tabel travel at 140
[09:57:23] <DRGray> but when i home it it take it directly half way
[09:57:34] <DRGray> ive set the stepp to 1
[09:57:44] <DRGray> on the driver and linux cnc
[09:59:58] <gregcnc> half way to where?
[10:00:42] <DRGray> actually no
[10:00:47] <DRGray> im an idiot again
[10:00:51] <DRGray> i did the wrong axis
[10:00:55] <DRGray> it seems right now :-)
[10:01:07] <DRGray> perfect!
[10:01:16] <DRGray> thanks a lot :-)
[10:01:58] <gregcnc> great. if you use micro stepping you will also have to change axis scale.
[10:07:59] <DRGray> really? i thought that was just chanigng it in the config
[10:08:05] <DRGray> maybe thats what it does?
[10:08:16] <DRGray> i use the stepconf wizard
[10:09:23] <gregcnc> if you only change the drive, linuxcnc still thinks one step is the same size even though the drive now move the motor a different value for a step
[10:12:20] <gregcnc> sorry stepconf does that math for you
[10:19:19] <miss0r|shop> entertain me!
[10:19:33] <cpresser> jet fuel cant melt steel beams!
[10:20:08] <miss0r|shop> heh.. i'm seriously bored waiting for the mill to complete the program
[10:20:56] <Jymmm> miss0r|shop: grab a brrom
[10:21:12] <Jymmm> broom*
[10:21:26] <DRGray> think im getting there
[10:21:28] <miss0r|shop> Jymm: I vacume the floor in here. it is nice and clean at the moment
[10:21:41] <gregcnc> if you have time to lean, you have time to clean
[10:21:46] <DRGray> all standard apart from the z axis where ive put a -1 in the lead screw pitch according to the manual
[10:22:16] <Jymmm> miss0r|shop: pain the fence, one handed, while standing on your head drinking a beverage
[10:22:17] <miss0r|shop> gregcnc: True. but, as it happens, I did that during the first workpeice. now the second and last is in the mill
[10:22:33] <miss0r|shop> Jymmm: ohh no, i'm not falling for that again...
[10:22:52] <Jymmm> miss0r|shop: Then practice and you won't fall
[10:23:02] <gregcnc> lol
[10:23:28] <miss0r|shop> this standing around made me wonder if there could be a market building precision x-y tables for hobbiest
[10:24:03] <miss0r|shop> that could be fun. I need something to do on my surface grinder anyway :)
[10:24:50] <Jymmm> and sell them for 10¢/ per sq inch
[10:25:22] <Jymmm> ...shipping included
[10:25:51] <miss0r|shop> I still need a coolant system for it thou - at some point in time I came across some nice coolant system, where you'd buy a plastic resivour(spell?) with built-in filter & pump. I can't seem to find it now. it was cheap too!
[10:26:16] <Jymmm> they call those fish tanks ;)
[10:26:35] <miss0r|shop> that eksplains the fish...
[10:26:39] <Jymmm> ...off craigslist free section
[10:28:00] <miss0r|shop> craigslist is not too if you live in the states ;) i'm talking a brand spanking new unit. they came in all sizes and capacities too.
[10:29:22] <Jymmm> septic tank and sewage pump?
[10:30:06] <miss0r|shop> all great ideas ;) i'm realy looking for something along the lines of 100L resevour with a beefy pump to go along
[10:30:22] <anomynous> hey how can an algorithm be proven mathematically?
[10:30:35] <miss0r|shop> I think the neighboor has a septic tank installed... why don't I just hook'on'up to that? :)
[10:30:35] <Jymmm> anomynous: reverse it
[10:30:43] <anomynous> Jymmm, ?
[10:30:48] <Jymmm> miss0r|shop: 4gal bucket and a submersable pump
[10:31:05] <Jymmm> 5gal
[10:31:25] <miss0r|shop> thats only ~20l worth of coolant
[10:31:30] <Jymmm> anomynous: you do the algorythm in reverse
[10:31:39] <Jymmm> miss0r|shop: 55gal drum and sub pump
[10:32:00] <Jymmm> anomynous: remember "proving your work" in skoooool?
[10:32:07] <anomynous> not really
[10:32:08] <anomynous> :D
[10:32:56] <miss0r|shop> Jymmm: it will do. but the beauty of the unit I am talking about, is that it had a intake filer, and a sort of 'dam' inside the reseviour, so that all the metal/grit would settle on the buttom there, and the "clean" cooland would go over the dam
[10:33:15] <Jymmm> ah
[10:33:37] <Jymmm> you can do that with a long pipe
[10:33:58] <miss0r|shop> please elaborate
[10:34:00] <Jymmm> pipe length = height of drum
[10:34:35] <Jymmm> miss0r|shop: think how a hot water heater is layed out
[10:34:49] <miss0r|shop> <- electrician, not plumber ;)
[10:35:32] <Jymmm> inlet exists the bottom of the pipe, outlet at top of tank
[10:35:38] <Jymmm> exits*
[10:36:27] <miss0r|shop> hmmm... that seems doable. it does have some disadvantages doing it this way, thou. When I start to run low on coolant, I won't be able to pump it out anymore
[10:36:32] <Jymmm> not "exactly" sure how to prevent the swarf from clogging the end of pipe though
[10:37:11] <Jymmm> oh what about those filter screens on end of pipe (oversized)
[10:37:23] <Jymmm> like they use to pump out ponds
[10:37:35] <miss0r|shop> Jymmm: I FUCKING FOUND IT! (excute my french) http://www.dvsalg.dk/admin/public/getimage.aspx?Image=/Billeder/Ecom/Varebilleder/DVS-204100.jpg&Format=jpg&Width=600&Height=&Compression=80&Crop=5
[10:37:52] <Jymmm> cool =)
[10:38:46] <miss0r|shop> sad to say, the site I found it on, only has that one size.... *sigh*
[10:39:15] <Jymmm> http://patbolgerengineering.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=100&products_id=322
[10:39:52] <Jymmm> http://www.latheinserts.com/COOLANT-PUMP-3012-8110.htm
[10:40:02] <miss0r|shop> 9liter tank on that one. I need atleast 50, best around 100l
[10:40:26] <Jymmm> http://www.gusher.com/prod08.htm
[10:40:58] <miss0r|shop> now we're talking
[10:43:15] <miss0r|shop> mill is done. Thanks for the links Jymmm. Now I just have to clean it up, and get back inside to the wife and kids. see you around
[10:43:29] <Jymmm> miss0r|shop: pumpscreen http://www.yardneyfilters.com/images/features/Pumpsuction_both.jpg
[10:44:43] <Jymmm> bah http://stoneycreekequip.com/image%202/EP%20Sub%20Pump%20Screen-SPS40.jpg
[10:49:30] <DRGray> if acceleration is to slow im guessing it can stool?
[10:49:32] <DRGray> stall?
[10:50:54] <Roguish> pump units...... http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=868&PARTPG=INLMK3&PMITEM=296-2060
[10:52:05] <gregcnc> what are the chances a cheap apple monitor cable actually has 15 conductors in it? www.ebay.com/itm/331055297246?
[10:52:09] <Roguish> I have a 3 gallon unit, shown at bottom of page. it's wonderful for my BP
[10:53:21] <Erant> For all the lack of polish on the LittleMachineShop machines (AKA Sieg), they have excellent customer service.
[10:53:53] <Erant> My X dovetails were off a little bit, they sent me a new table no questions asked.
[10:56:24] <Duc> morning
[10:58:41] <Jymmm> Erant: cool =)
[10:59:40] <Jymmm> gregcnc: http://
[10:59:52] <Jymmm> it says 15 conductor in the listing
[11:02:13] <Jymmm> gregcnc: http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Macintosh_VGA
[11:02:37] <Erant> Now I just gotta figure out this Z-axis backlash...
[11:02:38] <Jymmm> DE15 vs DB15 in the reference section
[11:02:55] <gregcnc> yeah, i just don't want to cut it open to find 13 or less since a couple are not connected
[11:03:26] <Jymmm> Note that it says SHIELDED BRAID
[11:03:41] <Jymmm> on the RGB signals
[11:04:05] <Jymmm> and HV sync lines
[11:05:25] <gregcnc> right vga I chopped up recently had that too. I don't want that. I see some belden cable I can actually find specs for
[11:10:35] <maxcnc> hi all
[11:10:58] <maxcnc> sun is going down after a realy sunny day here liked it to be in the shop ;-)
[11:14:19] <maxcnc> are theere some cheep shops araound europ to find the sbr i only can find the http://www.cnc-discount.de/ to be that good stocked
[11:15:55] <maxcnc> coustom need to be back later
[11:17:08] <FloppyDisk> Roguish It must be a _me_ thing, but the enco website is frustrating because I need to login and then it tells me I can't,
[11:17:09] <FloppyDisk> so you can't see anything.
[11:17:37] <FloppyDisk> I don't know why they do that? It's Enco wants to make it hard for people to shop their items.
[11:19:34] <DRGray> can it home 3 axis at one instead of waiting for each one independently
[11:25:39] <roycroft> floppydisk: clear your cookies and history for use-enco.com and try again
[11:25:54] <roycroft> i've gone through this with them before, and that's always been the answer
[11:27:46] <FloppyDisk> roycroft - Bingo! That worked. Thank you!
[11:28:16] <roycroft> they are aware of the problem (it's uncommon but not unique), but have no idea how to fix it
[11:28:20] <roycroft> so we do the work-around
[11:28:24] <FloppyDisk> Nice - Enco is cheaper than McMaster.
[11:29:27] <FloppyDisk> that's too bad for them, I have not looked at their site a few times because I couldn't 'see anything.' Works now.
[11:30:11] <roycroft> enco have a good product mix, good prices, and fast shipping
[11:30:23] <roycroft> they have a warehouse in reno that stocks most of their product
[11:30:34] <roycroft> and i live in eugene oregon, which is often 1 day away from reno ups ground
[11:30:37] <roycroft> 2 days at most
[11:32:28] <Duc> what is a good generic AC servo motor drive unit that uses single phase
[11:45:34] <gregcnc> DRGray, yes, but you need the home all button on the GUI.
[11:47:28] <FloppyDisk> Duc - PetefromTn uses these: http://www.dmm-tech.com/
[11:47:46] <FloppyDisk> They look to be good servo's, imo. But haven't tried them.
[11:48:39] <Duc> The tsudakmoa rotary I got has a 850watt servo already on the system but the servo drive for it requires 3 phase power
[11:49:04] <Duc> I would like to avoid using 3 phase power. Wonder if I could use just the drive
[11:49:13] <FloppyDisk> Otherwise, Copley controls on ebay (they have AC and DC input), AMC might have AC input as well.
[11:49:50] <FloppyDisk> Duc - often (not always) you can run your 3 phase w/ one phase, check the manual. You need to derate speed, forget how much, but it's some rms thingy.
[11:50:19] <FloppyDisk> 850W servo is a nice size...
[11:50:44] <Duc> Nothing in the manual about that with the Series II drive units from Yaskawa. Series V can be used on single phase
[11:51:34] <FloppyDisk> Ooh, you have Yaskawa? Great stuff, but their encoders are funky, iirc. Not sure how you'd run that w/ a different drive unless you have
[11:51:39] <FloppyDisk> encoder feedback on the motor.
[11:52:06] <FloppyDisk> I'd call Yaskawa or a distributor, someone familiar w/ the sigma II would know. You might not be able to run it single phase,
[11:52:09] <Duc> the motor has a older incremental encoder that doesnt use serial comm which is the problem
[11:52:12] <FloppyDisk> Yaskawa did funky things.
[11:52:27] <Duc> already asked yaskawa that question LOL
[11:52:32] <FloppyDisk> :-(
[11:53:08] <FloppyDisk> Just a suggestion, but the sigma II is obsolete, you could probably sell on ebay for a decent price because there are a lot of installs where people
[11:53:14] <FloppyDisk> will need motors.
[11:53:30] <FloppyDisk> Upgrading is painful w/ the changes from sigma II to V because of cables, serial comm, etc.
[11:53:44] <Duc> well that has been considered but also need to have a modified motor to use it with the rotary
[11:54:18] <Duc> 850 watt motor with a oil seal at the shaft and have to modify the gear since the motor shaft currently has a 1/10 taper with a woodruff key
[11:54:39] <FloppyDisk> Eeekks. Then see what you can do w/ a new drive.
[11:55:05] <Duc> yea not many servo have a oil seal on the shaft since the front face of the servo is in the oil
[11:56:09] <Duc> Still the rotary was well worth it since it was 1200 deliveried and in dam good condition
[11:56:30] <FloppyDisk> Cool! Love good deals like that:-)
[11:57:29] <FloppyDisk> Duc - Just thinking outloud, you're not the only one w/ an old Yaskawa drive/motor, there's gotta be someone else who's done what you're trying to do - where to find the info is the Question?
[11:58:37] <Duc> I think most just buy the SGDB-10ADG drive since they have 3 phase at the machine. I do have 3 phase but would need to string a power cord to the mill
[11:58:45] <Duc> Im probably making this difficult
[12:03:10] <FloppyDisk> Duc - We'd get along well then, I seem to make everything difficult.
[12:03:44] <Duc> LOL yea I already have a 15 hp RPC and not sure how often I would use the rotary anyways
[12:04:14] <FloppyDisk> I was looking at that DMM website again, wow what amazing prices, about $550 for a 1KW BLDC servo. Yaskawa would be $1500 or so...
[12:04:20] <FloppyDisk> Motion control is just commoditized.
[12:04:45] <FloppyDisk> PS - i have no affiliation w/ dmm, found them from PetefromTN_
[12:06:07] <Duc> I almost went that way with my mill but I missed the ebay deal on a setup
[12:06:36] <Duc> even have adapters already made for a bridgeport boss pulleys
[12:08:20] <Duc> but yea their prices are really good for servo setups and can be used with step + direction
[12:18:05] <Sync> Duc: or you can use our servodrive
[12:18:19] <Duc> which one is that
[12:19:02] <Duc> Sync: do you have a link to the drive?
[12:24:01] <CaptHindsight> the DRO scale kits from Shars aren't too bad, they come with everything except for the double sided tape for mounting to your machine
[12:24:57] <Sync> https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl Duc
[12:26:25] <Duc> Sync: Im still unsure if the yaskawa encoder is a serial comm or the normal wires. Looking for the wiring pinout for the encoder first.
[12:28:02] <Sync> we can read both
[12:29:22] <Duc> Sync: how much does a board for 850watt servo run? single phase 220v input?
[12:29:45] <Sync> around 150€
[12:29:52] <Sync> not sure if we still have some
[12:32:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/special-offers/monthly-sales-flyer?digital_readout_category=Linear+Scales not bad for aluminum scales
[12:32:56] <Duc> Sync: Hmmm
[12:40:10] <MrSunshine> gaah .. bought a straight edge at the local hardware shop ... something wasnt right with it so started mesuring .. the "wideness" of it went from 39.5mm to 39.2mm on the middle to 39.3 at the end ... sigh
[12:46:57] <SpeedEvil> :/
[12:47:06] <maxcnc> hi all
[12:47:20] <MrSunshine> but good enough for the woodworking stuff but not for checking straightness =)
[12:48:11] <MrSunshine> but as i got a machinist level i can check the guide rails i guess ... take it lose, then clamp it to the side of a beam in its natural position .. get it level then check the length of it it
[12:58:15] * JT-Shop jumps up and down for joy... no more printing labels in windoze word!
[13:01:18] <MrSunshine> JT-Shop: https://youtu.be/6DD50eOJVoM?t=126
[13:06:47] <maxcnc> Jt_s libreoffice can do this for long time
[13:07:22] <maxcnc> also from the coustom data base SQL
[13:08:22] <maxcnc> ok im off GN8 its been a wonderfull day here but long in the plasma clouded shop
[13:30:58] <FloppyDisk> Sync - that amp is cool. But, it doesn't take +-10vdc signal?
[13:31:19] <FloppyDisk> I see it works w/ a HAL comp? Is that correct, skimming wiki.
[13:32:40] <Sync> it's not really ready yet, but yes, you can talk to it via SSerial
[13:32:56] <Sync> no, it does not take a +-10V signal
[13:33:37] <FloppyDisk> Well - it looks cool. any plans for +-10V signal?
[13:34:08] <Sync> no
[13:43:17] <Sync> there was no real need for it in our usecase
[13:43:28] <Sync> if somebody really needs it, it is possible to add it
[13:48:23] <skunkworks_> sync: what is this?
[13:48:35] <Sync> what is what
[13:48:43] <skunkworks_> drive?
[13:48:52] <Sync> it says what it is and does right there
[13:49:18] <skunkworks_> I must have missed the link
[13:50:56] <Sync> https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl
[13:51:01] <Erant> https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl
[13:51:03] <Erant> dammit
[13:51:06] <Sync> rekt
[13:51:08] <skunkworks_> heh
[13:55:19] <FloppyDisk> Erant - too slow:-)
[13:56:53] <Erant> As always
[14:00:41] <Duc> FloppyDisk: email into DMM to see if I can drive the yaskawa drive with the DYN 4
[14:02:05] <Sync> probably
[14:27:37] <enleth> how much of a PITA is it to connect a modbus VFD to linuxcnc?
[14:28:38] <enleth> (I do have the protocol description)
[14:29:37] <MrSunshine> gah the level is a tad to big :P
[14:31:54] <MrSunshine> frekkin sensetive stuff also, so i got the center of the rail totaly level and had it clamped there, then i clamped one end ... boom ... the level goes partying with friends at the end
[15:42:47] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I can't believe that some of these are off the market https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXfOWMgWYLk
[15:52:04] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/Hjg2iUrDkH0?t=4m30s Powermite Tools
[15:53:28] <aventtini6> hello friends
[16:02:18] <Denkishi> Any of you guys build a Rostock v2? I have 3 little pieces left over, they don't show up in the manual or anything but look like the are some sort of "clamp"
[16:02:27] <Denkishi> .. I guess .. pic in a sec.
[16:04:28] <Denkishi> http://i.imgur.com/fSQEWr4.jpg
[16:07:40] <CaptHindsight> Denkishi: kinda like what ya see here http://i.imgur.com/aKHSndG.png
[16:08:20] <Denkishi> ooooohhh ok.
[16:08:46] <Denkishi> hmm, must have been left over parts from a v1 kit i presume?
[16:10:14] <CaptHindsight> http://forum.seemecnc.com/download/file.php?id=5960&sid=73229c0c3d5417b13489d41ef652a5a1&mode=view
[16:10:23] <CaptHindsight> http://forum.seemecnc.com/download/file.php?id=5958&sid=73229c0c3d5417b13489d41ef652a5a1&mode=view
[16:12:00] <Denkishi> And I was looking at an e3d head/Volcano combo as well .. any personal experience?
[16:12:27] <CaptHindsight> I don't have any toy robots
[16:12:54] <CaptHindsight> similar part in this version https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://i.ytimg.com/vi/auTGFhSS4is/maxresdefault.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DauTGFhSS4is&h=1080&w=1920&tbnid=_BZOWUtwqMpQ9M:&docid=IVbjtx6kue5kqM&ei=DnXPVtr4KoLmmAHl362IAQ&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwjat57f8JPLAhUCMyYKHeVvCxEQMwh_KFcwVw
[16:15:39] <witnit> this thing looks like a pile of rust. but danggg I REALLY REALLY want it :)
[16:15:42] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camco-Ferguson-Parts-Handler-Unit-Code-2X4-S-N-3639-001-/161028981058?hash=item257e134142:g:kAwAAMXQE31Rl-Gr
[16:23:09] <_methods> CaptHindsight: it's pretty sad
[16:23:27] <_methods> sure makes things a lot harder for darwin to make his magic happe
[16:23:32] <_methods> s/happe/happen
[16:23:47] <_methods> it's how you end up in a world where donald trump is president
[16:24:38] <_methods> if darwin was operating at full efficiency we wouldn't be in this sort of scenario
[16:25:11] <_methods> damn seat belts
[16:25:42] <enleth> where would I find descriptions of the supplied 5i25/6i25 bitfiles? the manual mentions 7i77x2 but not suffixes
[16:25:56] <enleth> there are a bunch of them
[16:26:09] <enleth> googling them yields very little
[16:27:00] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/idiocracy-writer-film-came-true_us_56ce7692e4b03260bf75856e
[16:27:16] <CaptHindsight> “I thought the worst thing that would come true was everyone wearing Crocs,” said Etan Cohen.
[16:27:17] <_methods> hahah
[16:27:32] <_methods> just look where we are now lol
[16:27:32] <CaptHindsight> ^^ the guy that wrote the screenplay
[16:28:45] <CaptHindsight> https://twitter.com/etanjc/status/702545314733895680
[16:30:12] <_methods> hahah
[16:30:30] <_methods> the comments are hilarious
[16:30:36] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i though that movie was awfully close to reality back when it came to the theaters...
[16:30:41] <_methods> "this movie deserves a part 2"
[16:30:51] <_methods> "it's already out.......it's called the news"
[16:31:44] <CaptHindsight> the blizzard has delayed my M19 x1 tap :(
[16:32:30] <Denkishi> No, what's sad are the machines where I just started :(
[16:32:35] <enleth> what the hell is 5i25_7i77bstech or 5i25_7i77x1IMSmev4?
[16:32:46] <CaptHindsight> and up here 30 miles north, not even a flake
[16:33:23] <Denkishi> Absolutely noooooo love :( Just had to do an upp reduild of one of the bridgeports.
[16:33:30] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: yeah, I gave copies out to everyone for xmas when it came out
[16:34:01] <_methods> most prescient documentary for it's time lol
[16:34:23] <_methods> thank god for the zika virus
[16:34:45] <_methods> i've got tires full of water all over my back yard
[16:35:01] <_methods> tryin to up my breeding zika vector program
[16:35:13] <CaptHindsight> _methods: building a mosquito farm?
[16:35:15] <JT-Shop> what key do you press to get the boot menu?
[16:35:24] <_methods> yes i'm trying to spread as much zika as possible
[16:38:59] <_methods> all those beetlejuice head babies look cool
[16:44:04] <Deejay> gn8
[17:12:26] <andypugh> Has the channel died while I was away? :-)
[17:13:08] <_methods> back from your ski trip
[17:13:19] <andypugh> Aye
[17:13:27] <_methods> how'd it go
[17:13:30] <andypugh> Great
[17:13:35] <_methods> knees still intact lol
[17:13:44] <andypugh> Barely, but yes.
[17:14:14] <_methods> last time i went "skiing" i tried snowboarding
[17:14:30] <_methods> it was actually fun but the crashes were rough on the shoulders
[17:14:35] <andypugh> i feel I should, but it would feel like wasting a day that I could be skiiing.
[17:14:55] <_methods> it was a fun break from skiing
[17:15:15] <_methods> it's definitely easier than skiing
[17:15:46] <_methods> i think next time i hit the slopes i'll ski for a couple days then board the last day or something for a break
[17:16:11] <andypugh> Try Telemarking?
[17:16:16] <_methods> or put a snowboard day in teh middle to give the skiing muscles a break
[17:16:28] <_methods> no telemarking is too much like exercise
[17:16:33] <_methods> lol
[17:17:06] <andypugh> Have you tried it? It isn’t actually quite as much effort as it looks like.
[17:17:45] <_methods> nah i've never tried
[17:17:54] <_methods> my brother is always tryin to get me to do it
[17:17:57] <skunkworks> andypugh: did you see https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/30441-matsuura-mc-500v2-retrofit
[17:18:29] <andypugh> Yes, I saw it.
[17:18:51] <andypugh> Though I don’t even know if the machine is a lathe or a mill :-)
[17:18:53] <skunkworks> another 2 year plan conversion
[17:19:35] <andypugh> I am starting to fret that the lathe I bought in August isn’t finished yet
[17:19:53] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/matsuura.JPG
[17:21:10] <andypugh> Don’t like it. Too red :-)
[17:21:41] <andypugh> It looks pretty serious.
[17:22:57] <skunkworks> heh - the spindle and axis drives still work - so it should be a pretty painless conversion. (knock on wood)
[17:23:11] <_methods> heheh famous last words
[17:25:23] <Erant> andypugh: I feel the same way. I'm a pretty advanced skier, so I think I'd just be frustrated at all the things I could be doing instead.
[17:25:30] <Erant> Instead of falling on my ass, that is.
[17:26:00] <Erant> Also not the biggest fan of the idea that both of my feet are stuck. :)
[17:26:26] <andypugh> I do plenty of the falling part on skis, but at least I get to do it in the soft fluffy stuff where it’s funy rather than painful.
[17:27:42] <zeeshan> https://www.rallysportdirect.com/part/motor-build-tools/cop-519-company-23-torque-plate
[17:27:46] <zeeshan> when i had no clue about machining
[17:27:55] <zeeshan> i used to think these things were super accurate
[17:28:06] <zeeshan> little did i know theyre just a stupid chunk of aluminum with some holes in it
[17:28:07] <zeeshan> =/
[17:28:11] <zeeshan> overpriced.
[17:28:39] <_methods> well i hate boarders as much as the next skier
[17:28:49] <_methods> but, it is actually kinda fun
[17:28:57] <_methods> but i still hate boarders lol
[17:29:06] <_methods> sittin in the middle of runs
[17:29:14] <_methods> screwin up lift lines
[17:29:22] <_methods> you know they usual snowboarder offenses
[17:29:56] <_methods> skiing definitely requires more skill
[17:29:56] <andypugh> Scraping all the snow off the odd-piste….
[17:30:01] <_methods> yeah
[17:30:05] <McBride36> zeeshan, racer?
[17:30:13] <zeeshan> McBride36: ?!?
[17:30:17] <andypugh> Maing terrifying noises behind you on icy pistes…
[17:30:26] <_methods> don't tell anyone i said boarding is fun
[17:30:29] <McBride36> zeeshan, you linked torque plates
[17:30:34] <McBride36> I work on Trans Am 2 cars
[17:30:35] <zeeshan> yes
[17:30:37] <_methods> i'll never hear the end of it if anyone finds out lol
[17:30:41] <andypugh> It must be fun, or they wouldn’t do it.
[17:30:49] <zeeshan> mcbride i got a rx7 twin turbo with a lq9 v8
[17:30:50] <Erant> andypugh: I ski with a bunch of boarders. I hate waiting at the top for them to do their stupid strap-in.
[17:30:55] <zeeshan> but this is for my subaru
[17:30:59] <zeeshan> which blew up (bone stock motor)
[17:31:03] <Erant> I'm at the top, let's gooooo.
[17:31:06] <zeeshan> trans am is lt1 right?
[17:31:17] <_methods> yeah
[17:31:20] <andypugh> Erant: Practice the jumping into bindings trick to rub it in?
[17:31:21] <Erant> Also no moguls with boarders, they hate it.
[17:31:28] <_methods> get em on some flat ground too lol
[17:31:34] <_methods> ah man i love my moguls
[17:31:52] <McBride36> zeeshan, no idea lol
[17:31:58] <Erant> Me too. It's fun. They hate it. It's not their rythm.
[17:32:04] <_methods> my knees don't like them so much aymore
[17:32:06] <McBride36> http://gotransam.com/transam101/?cid=59344
[17:32:14] <_methods> *anymore lol
[17:32:54] <andypugh> Erant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-3vUCA---4
[17:33:17] <andypugh> (first one I found, I have seen it done with more panache)
[17:35:28] <Sync> zeeshan: got another shortblock? :D
[17:35:33] <zeeshan> sync no
[17:35:36] <zeeshan> a talked to a few shops
[17:35:42] <zeeshan> they said remeasure it with a torque plate
[17:35:50] <Erant> andypugh: Hah. I am so doing that
[17:35:52] <zeeshan> so im gonna build one this weekend
[17:36:09] <Sync> ah
[17:36:17] <zeeshan> i dont bwelieve
[17:36:21] <zeeshan> how much money people want for these torque plates
[17:36:24] <Sync> I wonder if they are actually honed with one
[17:36:24] <zeeshan> theyre 300+
[17:36:26] <Erant> andypugh: To be honest, my 360 is what annoys them a lot more.
[17:36:30] <zeeshan> its frigging 1 3/4" flat bar..
[17:36:32] <zeeshan> that has holes in it..
[17:36:45] <zeeshan> Sync: im hoping they are
[17:36:51] <zeeshan> and that is why im getting weird measurements
[17:36:54] <zeeshan> but i doubt it.
[17:37:28] <_methods> i love slappin them with my poles when they stop right in front of the lift exit to strap up
[17:37:59] <zeeshan> http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/attachments/f88/33014d1317926197-2009-forester-head-gasket-leaks-ej255-short-block.jpg
[17:38:09] <zeeshan> the cylinder you can see on the right
[17:38:10] <zeeshan> #4
[17:38:14] <zeeshan> is the one that is out of spec
[17:38:22] <zeeshan> im hoping its due to less material or something.
[17:40:14] <Sync> I'm actually not sure if they do
[17:40:55] <Sync> thickness actually looks equal
[17:41:19] <Sync> also lul that 8 bolt flywheel flange
[17:42:41] <Sync> does the manual specify you measuring with a torque plate?
[17:42:47] <Sync> if not I'd rage
[17:42:49] <zeeshan> no
[17:42:53] <zeeshan> which is why im thrown off
[17:47:55] <Sync> h,
[17:47:58] <Sync> hm
[17:48:05] <Sync> it seems to be not uncommon
[17:48:15] <zeeshan> what?
[17:55:03] <zeeshan> ofcourse the internet has no dimensions fo rthe torque plate
[17:55:03] <zeeshan> :[
[17:58:52] <andypugh> Erant: I can’t do a 360. I tried to build up to iy starting at 90, but it went badly.
[18:03:22] <Sync> the block being out of spec zeeshan
[18:08:23] <Sync> I wonder if they even check for that at the factory, I'd think so but hmm
[18:11:03] <zeeshan> who knows wtf theyre doing there :P
[18:11:42] <Sync> ye
[18:11:58] <Sync> well, gm certainly did not do it in the 60s :D
[18:15:19] <Sync> they just used pneumatic measurement
[18:16:26] <zeeshan> ??1
[18:16:27] <Tom_itx> zeeshan howz subaruland?
[18:16:31] <zeeshan> i sued air comparator at work
[18:16:33] <zeeshan> used
[18:16:51] <Sync> well, they just measure flow
[18:17:01] <Tom_itx> i think that pic looks fine
[18:17:30] <Erant> andypugh: I do worse with the 180 than the 360.
[18:18:33] <FloppyDisk> whoa - tube bending craziness https://www.facebook.com/worldwillchange/videos/1005409086195787/
[18:19:41] <Sync> yeah those things are nice
[18:19:48] <Lowridah> i wanna see him cut it off with a play doh playset knife in the end
[18:19:55] <Lowridah> the little yellow one
[18:32:58] <Erant> Here's a dumb question
[18:33:09] <JT-Shop> give it your best shot
[18:33:29] <Erant> If I take one of those cheapy mist coolant systems (http://www.banggood.com/Mist-Coolant-Lubrication-Spray-System-Metal-Cutting-Engraving-Machine-Cooling-Sprayer-p-987371.html) and pressurize the coolant input...
[18:33:35] <Erant> Does that turn it into a fogless system?
[18:34:13] <JT-Shop> sorry not a dumb question
[18:34:21] <andypugh> It might turn it into a pile of cheapy parts…
[18:34:27] <zeeshan> eramt
[18:34:32] <zeeshan> the noga mini coolant isnt a lot of money
[18:34:34] <zeeshan> i think 60bux
[18:35:15] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NOGA-Mini-Cool-Single-Nozzle-Cutting-Fluid-Applicator-/231533487215
[18:35:17] <andypugh> I like the smell of coolant.
[18:35:27] <Erant> zeeshan: Probably going for that one anyway.
[18:35:36] <Erant> My problem's not so much with the fog, I can deal with that.
[18:35:43] <Erant> It seems like the fogless ones require less air
[18:35:54] <JT-Shop> noga is a nice looking unit
[18:36:05] <zeeshan> erant: watch my vid
[18:36:06] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/xRHUCp4D8UU?t=118
[18:36:15] <zeeshan> i try to explain in it
[18:36:21] <Erant> And I haven't verified this, but there's a distinct possibility that both my mill and my compressor are going to be on the same breaker.
[18:37:07] <Erant> zeeshan: Oooh. thank ya.
[18:37:10] * JT-Shop doesn't use coolant on the BP knee mill
[18:37:25] <Erant> JT-Shop: What do you do for chip evacuation?
[18:37:30] <Erant> That's 99% of my concern.
[18:37:34] * JT-Shop looks to see what zeeshan does
[18:37:45] <Erant> I also don't like hot steel chips, but eh.
[18:37:49] <JT-Shop> chip brush
[18:37:56] <zeeshan> erant if it doesnt make sens
[18:38:00] <zeeshan> i got a cad model
[18:38:10] <zeeshan> jt i do what? :D
[18:38:23] <JT-Shop> that your vid?
[18:38:36] <zeeshan> ya
[18:39:02] <JT-Shop> watching it but you have a funny accent hehe
[18:39:06] <zeeshan> haha
[18:39:12] <zeeshan> says the guy from the south :P
[18:39:14] * zeeshan hides
[18:39:45] <JT-Shop> hey I was born on the Aleutian islands
[18:39:57] <Erant> zeeshan: Yeah, makes sense. I'm just curious what's different about the guts of the NOGA compared to el cheapo Chinese thingy
[18:40:05] <zeeshan> erant prolly better nozzle
[18:40:07] <zeeshan> and better valve
[18:40:14] <zeeshan> i cant give you the links right now
[18:40:17] <zeeshan> but i readddddddddd a lot
[18:40:20] <zeeshan> till i settled on the noga
[18:40:25] <zeeshan> dont even bother with fog buster
[18:40:30] <zeeshan> overpriced
[18:40:36] <Erant> What about the kool mist stuff?
[18:40:41] <zeeshan> also overpriced
[18:40:53] <Sync> and you don't want oil aerosol
[18:41:04] <Erant> But it lubricates your lungs!
[18:41:08] <Erant> Allows you to breathe better
[18:41:14] <zeeshan> i didnt know this
[18:41:19] <zeeshan> well i knew it was bad
[18:41:21] <zeeshan> but ididnt know this:
[18:41:29] <zeeshan> if you breathe in air compressor w/ oil air
[18:41:35] <zeeshan> you will die for sure
[18:41:37] <andypugh> My compressor probably wouldn’t run a mister. I use low-pressure flood. It seems to work fine. I might be re-cutting chips a lot, but it doesn’t seem to be a disaster. I certainly have no problems with build-up on the tool like I used to get with the old no-coolant mill.
[18:41:40] <zeeshan> its irreverssible death
[18:41:42] * JT-Shop likes the way zeeshan used jacks to support the material
[18:41:54] <zeeshan> jt haha
[18:42:12] <Erant> andypugh: Well, so that's what I was considering as an alternative. Flood.
[18:42:13] <JT-Shop> I use a vacuum to evacuate the chips
[18:42:16] <zeeshan> andypugh: can you do this:
[18:42:23] <zeeshan> (sorry im proud of this video haha)
[18:42:29] <andypugh> zeeshan: The bad news is that even without breathing oil you have a 95% chance of dying
[18:42:39] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:42:40] <Erant> JT-Shop: I owe gregcnc an attempt at doing that. I have a shopvac right next to the mill
[18:42:52] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/70rd9fK-UGg?t=67
[18:42:53] <zeeshan> watch andy
[18:42:55] <zeeshan> !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:42:57] <zeeshan> mist ftw!!
[18:43:11] <andypugh> (That 95% is accurate, 5% of all the people _who_have_ever_lived_ are alive today.
[18:43:27] <Erant> zeeshan: Did you figure out the weird slowdown around the corners?
[18:43:35] <zeeshan> ya erant
[18:43:39] <zeeshan> sped up the accel values
[18:43:43] <Erant> hmmk
[18:43:43] <zeeshan> now i can do 140 ipm without jerkiness
[18:43:49] <zeeshan> still does it at 200
[18:43:56] <malcom2073> andypugh: Woudln't that mean you have a 95% chance of already being dead?
[18:43:57] <malcom2073> :P
[18:44:06] <Erant> You do ;)
[18:44:39] <zeeshan> has anyone tried cutting at 0.0015" deflection on a carbide tool
[18:45:22] <andypugh> malcom2073: Yes, you spotted a truly invalid extrapolation from stats. I like it as an example of stat mis-use. It is clearly nonsense to say that because 5% of people have never dies then you have a 5% chance of not dying.
[18:45:55] <andypugh> zeeshan: No, I can’t do that, because my spindle tops out at 1200rpm
[18:46:03] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/video/cannon/cannon.xhtml
[18:46:04] <malcom2073> andypugh: Is that your way of calling me a party pooper?
[18:46:31] <JT-Shop> theres some redneck for you
[18:46:31] <zeeshan> jt how much was your cannon
[18:46:34] <zeeshan> that thing is BAD ASS
[18:46:44] <zeeshan> shoot that at isis
[18:46:51] <JT-Shop> I think the barrel was $400 or so
[18:47:00] <Sync> just crank up the vfd andypugh
[18:47:14] <toastydeath> zeeshan, .0015 of active deflection, or runout?
[18:47:21] <andypugh> Sync: That’s why it is 1200 not the stock 1000rpm....
[18:47:29] <zeeshan> toastydeath: out of roundness on cylinder
[18:47:30] <toastydeath> I've cut .003" active deflection on a 1/8" carbide endmill
[18:47:33] <zeeshan> oh
[18:47:37] <zeeshan> we're talkin about machining now
[18:47:38] <JT-Shop> Ricky has the biggest bore cannon
[18:47:51] <zeeshan> jthornton: how much gun power does in the big bore cannon
[18:47:53] <Sync> well, you could probably do 100% more
[18:47:53] <JT-Shop> I did all the iron work on the cannons
[18:48:00] <toastydeath> .0015" on a 3/4" or larger endmill won't matter much, but it matters a lot on smaller ones
[18:48:09] <JT-Shop> 4oz F black powder
[18:48:12] <zeeshan> toastydeath: active deflection
[18:48:15] <JT-Shop> 3oz F in mine
[18:48:16] <zeeshan> on 3/8 end mill
[18:48:37] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I am offended by the profanity.
[18:48:40] <zeeshan> i know it wont break right away
[18:48:45] <JT-Shop> except for Ray
[18:48:46] <zeeshan> but i hear you get a nasty chatter
[18:48:50] <zeeshan> and it will suddnely go
[18:49:12] <JT-Shop> I should censor that but don't know how
[18:49:31] <Sync> kek
[18:49:32] <zeeshan> toastydeath: im limited to 3150 ipm and would like to cut steel at 100 ipm
[18:49:35] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Just powder or were there projectiles in there?
[18:49:37] <zeeshan> w/ high speed tool paths
[18:49:42] <zeeshan> but right now the math says im limited to 43ipm
[18:49:48] <zeeshan> to keep deflection below 0.0009"
[18:50:02] <Sync> I mean, they are cheap endmills, just crank it up
[18:50:04] <JT-Shop> we usually wad up a tin foil ball to provide back pressure
[18:50:10] <zeeshan> they arent!
[18:50:13] <zeeshan> theyre 35 bux a pop
[18:50:16] <toastydeath> what i'd reccomend is ignore deflection on roughing passes
[18:50:18] <JT-Shop> sometimes we shoot lead cannon balls
[18:50:27] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Seen this? http://cannonsuperstore.com
[18:50:38] <JT-Shop> no
[18:50:38] <gregcnc> Unist has a video about their misters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3glc4HoWg expensive however
[18:50:39] <toastydeath> deflection matters a *lot* more on shorter, stubby endmills. so if you have a small endmill that's got a long shank, don't worry.
[18:50:49] <toastydeath> if you have a short endmill that's wide, you may snap it
[18:51:05] <Sync> relatively cheap zeeshan
[18:51:11] <zeeshan> basically what im getting is...
[18:51:13] <zeeshan> "try it out"
[18:51:14] <zeeshan> till it breaks
[18:51:15] <zeeshan> haha
[18:51:16] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/cannon/cannon.xhtml
[18:51:18] <toastydeath> yuuup
[18:51:22] <toastydeath> tried and true method, unfortunately
[18:51:29] <Sync> well
[18:51:34] <Sync> volumill tells you this in the manual
[18:51:38] <gregcnc> if you're trying to determine just how much load you can getaway with before it breaks, yeah try it
[18:51:42] <Sync> "those values might sound insane
[18:51:51] <Sync> but in reality, you can go 4x as fast"
[18:52:22] <CaptHindsight> https://giphy.com/gifs/5oRcdrlCsUZgI dumb robot
[18:52:28] <zeeshan> i was told in class to awlays take the biggest possible doc
[18:52:36] <CaptHindsight> https://giphy.com/gifs/nYzOsSJ3HWd8s bullied robot
[18:52:44] <zeeshan> so thats what im trying to do w/ anything i machine
[18:52:46] <andypugh> JT-Shop: You want this one: http://www.cannonsuperstore.com/vandenburggun.htm
[18:52:50] <zeeshan> (as long as its rigid)
[18:53:10] <CaptHindsight> https://giphy.com/gifs/xCAABgDhfCDNC
[18:53:14] <JT-Shop> andypugh: nice
[18:53:25] <JT-Shop> talk about duck hunting
[18:54:09] <Sync> zeeshan: that is what volumill tries
[18:54:44] <zeeshan> sync send me manual!
[18:54:46] <zeeshan> :P
[18:55:07] <Sync> won't help you without volumill
[18:56:31] * JT-Shop wanders inside...
[18:56:36] <zeeshan> looks like just hsm path
[18:56:39] <zeeshan> that volumill has
[18:57:38] <Sync> well, you give it the max doc you can get
[18:57:49] <Sync> and it will keep the chip thickness the same
[18:57:58] <Sync> so your machine does no texplode
[18:58:10] <Sync> and controls the engagement
[19:10:32] <_methods> 110 years old
[19:10:35] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAUn3A4QtaI
[19:14:34] <Jymmm> I got a tub-o-tools today that has been sitting outside all winter. Use vinegar ???
[19:16:56] <Sync> wat
[19:20:08] <malcom2073> Jymmm: evaporust
[19:20:44] <malcom2073> It's actually made for that
[20:12:16] <jfindley> Damn this Aberlour is delicious.
[20:22:18] <joem_> pink_vampire, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvlL8a7w94
[20:24:19] <malcom2073> joem_: That's awesome
[20:24:27] <malcom2073> What's it for?
[20:24:43] <joem_> flood tray for g0704 milling machine
[20:25:28] <joem_> i shouldn't have put neverwet on the plastic drain, lol
[20:25:33] <joem_> everywhere is fine, but
[20:25:53] <[cube]> neverwet doesnt work with oil based stuff (lubricants)
[20:25:58] <joem_> sure it does
[20:26:03] <joem_> oleophobic + hydrophobic
[20:26:10] <[cube]> duno
[20:26:12] <joem_> at least this stuff does
[20:26:14] <[cube]> i tried the same thing
[20:26:18] <[cube]> didnt work for me at all
[20:26:25] <[cube]> neverwet brand
[20:26:38] <joem_> which one?
[20:26:47] <[cube]> the dual spray
[20:26:55] <[cube]> not sure if the formula's changed...
[20:26:57] <malcom2073> Lol
[20:27:03] <[cube]> oil just just absorbed into it
[20:27:07] <joem_> the one from home depot was just a spray on, meant for fabrics n stuff, the one on amazon is 2 part spray on, then the one i got is their "industrial strength" stuff
[20:27:08] <[cube]> and it started peeling up
[20:27:13] <malcom2073> Be interesting to see how long that lasts
[20:27:15] <joem_> huh, interesting, what did you have under it?
[20:27:22] <[cube]> tremclad
[20:27:29] <[cube]> or nothing i thinkg
[20:27:36] <[cube]> mighta just been the fatory paint on the tray
[20:27:38] <joem_> interesting
[20:27:44] <[cube]> do a test..
[20:27:47] <[cube]> put some way oil on it
[20:27:53] <[cube]> you'll see what i mean
[20:28:13] <joem_> kk, moment
[20:32:10] <joem_> yep yep
[20:32:15] <joem_> oleophobic my ass
[20:32:26] <[cube]> works or doesn't?
[20:32:36] <joem_> it cleans up ok, but it doesn't act like water at all
[20:32:40] <[cube]> yeah
[20:32:41] <joem_> doesn't buble up on the surface, etc
[20:32:49] <[cube]> i had a similar 'wtf' disappointment
[20:33:11] <joem_> underneath is the laxex based waterproof paint
[20:33:15] <[cube]> then i read more up on it
[20:33:16] <joem_> and then underneath that is the epoxy
[20:33:21] <[cube]> the coating isn't meant to last, even for water
[20:33:32] <joem_> no, i know it would require reapplication
[20:33:38] <[cube]> the hydrophobic stuff is the chalky substance
[20:33:44] <[cube]> and it get worn away quick
[20:33:51] <joem_> yeah, may not be worth it then
[20:33:57] <joem_> fun to play with :P
[20:34:00] <[cube]> heh yea
[20:34:02] <joem_> i put honey on it
[20:34:03] <[cube]> its good for other stuff
[20:34:06] <joem_> and blew the honey around
[20:34:09] <[cube]> lol
[20:34:22] <[cube]> might put some on my winter boots
[20:34:28] <[cube]> now that i think about it
[20:34:43] <joem_> yeah, i hear its good for that, also helps keep your car mats clean
[20:34:47] <joem_> (no snow on your boots)
[20:34:58] <[cube]> yeah
[20:35:08] <[cube]> what i wonder is whats in those tshirts they sell
[20:35:12] <[cube]> and how long those last
[20:35:14] <joem_> good for shovels, wheelbarrows, etc, when working with cement
[20:35:20] <[cube]> ah yea
[20:38:45] <joem_> pink_vampire, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvlL8a7w94
[21:31:01] <zeeshan> wait till you get hot chips on there
[21:31:01] <zeeshan> :)
[21:37:24] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I stuck a steel square in some vinegar, we'll see in the morning =)
[21:49:05] <PetefromTn_> probably disintegrate ;)
[22:20:47] <enleth> so it has begun - I'm working on fitting 7i77 to the Bridgeport
[22:20:53] <enleth> this is going to be lots of fun
[22:51:12] <Jymmm> enleth: Just remember... When you get frustrated or something isn't working like it should and you can't figure out what/where it is, just walk away, period. Get up and just walk away for a while and don't even think about it.
[23:03:30] <yasnak> I go take a dump. Its amazing what solutions I've thought up while on the thrown
[23:04:22] <yasnak> *throne. my brain is half asleep
[23:07:10] <Jymmm> =)
[23:09:00] <zeeshan> fak
[23:09:03] <zeeshan> i owe money to the governments
[23:09:05] <zeeshan> damn you tax season!
[23:09:53] <yasnak> I have four jobs I need done by tomorrow for the bosses and the AAOS meeting next week. Giving it a good college all nighter :/
[23:10:09] <zeeshan> aaos?
[23:10:40] <yasnak> American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
[23:10:53] <yasnak> We do medical device manufacturing
[23:21:48] <zeeshan> ah cool
[23:36:12] <joem_> if you're mix-n-matching lengths of lovejoy couplers, do you get a spider that matches the larger or the smaller hub?
[23:48:49] <Erant> Euh. I'm pretty sure you can't mix-n-match hub sizes
[23:49:13] <joem_> the outer diameter is the same
[23:49:23] <joem_> just bore length differs, and tooth length differs
[23:49:29] <Erant> (I also wouldn't recommend lovejoy couplers, I'd go for oldham couplings)
[23:49:35] <joem_> oldham
[23:49:38] <joem_> made from the finest old hams
[23:49:50] <joem_> woah
[23:49:51] <joem_> fancy
[23:50:25] <Erant> They're meant for motion purposes, and the discs are rigid.
[23:50:35] <joem_> yeah, like a double dovetail design
[23:51:12] <Erant> I use them for my mill. They can tolerate less misalignment (couple of thou), but that should be achievable.
[23:51:49] <Erant> Anyway, if you were going for lovejoy's, I figure you'd get the spider for the longer tooth, but that's just a guess.
[23:53:34] <joem_> yeah, that makes sense, wouldn't want metal against metal, the long tooth tops touching the other hub
[23:54:51] <Erant> Right.
[23:55:19] <joem_> i guess i could always turn down the long teeth to match the length of the short teeth, it would be an interesting experiment anyway