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[00:15:34] <miss0r> I'm starting the long hard work of cleaning my new surface grinder today. Anything I should pay particular attention to/pointers? or is it just like cleaning anything else?
[00:23:11] <yasnak> finally leaving shop after 36 shift ;o
[00:23:14] <yasnak> gnite
[00:24:23] <Crom> new or new to you surface grinder?
[00:25:49] <miss0r> new to me :) definetly not new
[00:25:57] <miss0r> its from '72
[00:26:38] <Crom> there was a guy that just did a series on rehabbing a surface grinder on youtube
[00:27:06] <miss0r> I saw that actualy. Althou, this is hardly worn. so I just need to clean it
[00:27:18] <miss0r> perhaps a lick of paint
[00:27:19] <Crom> I think stan at shadonHK also has a series on fixing up a surface grinder
[00:28:01] <Crom> well, it's a surface grinder so there is grit, and it's probably everywhere...
[00:28:22] <miss0r> indeed. would you reccomend diesel fuel as a solvent?
[00:28:42] <Crom> or kerosene
[00:29:11] <Crom> turtle wax sticker remover is also good for oil varnish
[00:30:08] <miss0r> what is this kerosene? also some oil product?
[00:30:20] <Crom> lamp oil
[00:30:47] <miss0r> ahh.. alright.
[00:30:55] <miss0r> yeah, that ought to do it
[00:31:11] <Crom> diesel is the green or yellow fuel can, kerosene is usually blue
[00:31:31] <Crom> don't get scented lamp oil. get straight kerosene
[00:31:38] <miss0r> yeah, we don't have such a standard around here
[00:31:49] <Crom> miss0r which country?
[00:31:52] <miss0r> strange thing with this very old surface grinder. there are no gips on the linear ways.
[00:31:55] <miss0r> Denmark
[00:32:11] <miss0r> the table is just held in by gravity - it can be lifted right off
[00:34:30] <Crom> kerosene is called petroleum in denmark, naptha is also usuable (rensebenzin)
[00:34:53] <miss0r> yep, google translate told me as m
[00:34:59] <miss0r> uch.
[00:35:12] <miss0r> MY typing skills today are horrific.
[00:35:25] <Crom> I need to get a new keyboard myself
[00:35:46] <miss0r> theres nothing wrong with my keyboard atleast, the failure is all on me
[00:36:17] <miss0r> I have to run. I need to fix some breakfast for the kids before they head out to school. see you a bit later
[00:36:50] <Crom> laterz
[02:24:06] <Deejay> moin
[04:23:51] <witnit> mojn!
[06:08:06] <__rob> anyone know if I can skip to a line in linuxcnc from the MDI input ?
[06:11:43] <XXCoder> dontr think so but well
[06:11:58] <XXCoder> you should be able to select where to start at
[06:16:35] <archivist> __rob, just cursor up/down to select from previously used lines
[06:17:09] <archivist> not forgetting to edit :)
[06:24:48] <jthornton> dang it's snowing
[06:51:19] <witnit> jthornton: all the trees in my FOV are coated in a layer of ice, just formed within the last two hoursO.o
[06:56:01] <jthornton> yuck
[06:56:17] <jthornton> at least is is supposed to rain here after while and melt the snow away
[06:56:18] <Tom_itx> keep it over on your side of the swamp.. mkay?
[06:56:59] <jthornton> ok lol
[06:57:32] <witnit> __rob: Im not real hip on the flexibility of gcode but I believe MDI = Manual Data Input which functions on a per line basis unless you are "calling" a preconfigured M code~ multiple lines of code, For example g0,f100,X1 Z1, TOOLCHANGE etc.
[06:58:32] <Tom_itx> http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true&location=USKS0523
[06:58:37] <Tom_itx> clear sailing here
[06:58:37] <witnit> but if you say broke your cutter on line 400 and want to continue from that spot.... I would expect a different route than trying from MDI mode
[07:01:45] <witnit> I didnt pay much attention to the lathe I got yesterday but after some research it appears to be a clausing colchester cnc-4000L this should be a fun project
[07:03:05] <jthornton> like this?
https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/43379cd1-e0ae-4847-b610-a4730149f749/11d5cc6a-e0ba-4224-b853-a47400be855d/540x360.jpg
[07:03:12] <witnit> 3.5" bore O.o never had a bore that size before :) I can now machine bars I can't lift, how exciting =D
[07:03:48] <SpeedEvil> yay
[07:05:43] <witnit> yeah it looks right, but the one I am getting appeared larger, I think that was just the layer of oil/dust/rust/cobwebs & shavings obscuring my perception though
[07:06:00] <Tom_itx> witnit just wait til those bars start whipping the barfeed off the floor
[07:07:52] <witnit> yeah I think the feeder is going to have to wait on this one, unless I get some production work stuck on it, I dont know if I want to invest much into this one. Lipe would probably be a company that does feeds this size though right?
[07:10:16] <witnit> or am I thinking LNS?
[07:11:01] <witnit> ahh yesh something like this
[07:11:01] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lns-Barfeeder-Barfeed-Screw-machine-Cnc-Bar-large-bore-2-5-8-/320869532932?hash=item4ab5508504:m:m2R8AbFnO6BX62zd4JhiWYA
[07:35:51] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGTznIy6i4w
[07:35:58] <_methods> canada-cy
[08:35:47] <enleth> ttps://hackerspace.pl/~enleth/20160223_212323.mp4 - VT520 receiving code from Heidenhain
[08:36:04] <enleth> whoops,
https://hackerspace.pl/~enleth/20160223_212323.mp4
[08:39:32] <miss0r|shop> nice... but why?
[08:39:47] <witnit> Imnot sure whats happening but everything looks good! =D
[08:44:51] <miss0r|shop> wtf! i bought a second hand jakobsen surface grinder. it came without a manual. I phoned the company for a manual, and they send me a mail, asking me ~150USD for a manual...
[08:44:53] <miss0r|shop> *sigh*
[08:45:33] <witnit> nickels and dimes my friend
[08:45:37] <witnit> what model is it?
[08:45:46] <miss0r|shop> it a SJ-16
[08:46:17] <miss0r|shop> I just can't seem to figure out how the lubrication system works... I will need to take it apart to some extend to get an idea
[08:48:09] <miss0r|shop> I was actualy hoping to find someone with a smaller surface grinder, willing to make a swap - as this is just too big for my shop. *IF* I actualy move it in here, I will have little/no space left.
[08:49:42] <Sync> gg
[08:49:51] <archivist> put it on wheels :)
[08:50:02] <miss0r|shop> archivist: That sounds like a solid plan :D
[08:50:18] <archivist> a rolling plan
[08:50:38] <miss0r|shop> there would be nowhere to roll it!
[08:50:44] <Sync> outside
[08:51:33] <miss0r|shop> I was actualy looking at one with a vertical stone. still for surface grinding. it only took up 1/3 of the space. but the asking price was insane
[08:52:08] <enleth> miss0r|shop: just for the heck of it. wouldn't you do that if you had a vintage 80s control AND a vintage 80s terminal?
[08:52:48] <enleth> besides, that terminal is extremely useful for anything with a serial console
[08:53:34] <miss0r|shop> enleth: Yeah, I guess :) I have a hp2645A you can have, you want to expand your system ;)
[08:53:55] <miss0r|shop> like this one in the picture:
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=240
[08:54:07] <Sync> kek
[08:54:19] <enleth> you mean you want to get rid of it?
[08:54:53] <miss0r|shop> enleth: yep. it has been collecting dust since I rescued it just a sec before it ended in the trash
[08:56:08] <miss0r|shop> I was originally thinking of selling it, making some money (someone must be collecting this stuff, right?). but I never got around to it. And my thought was to throw it away now, but if someone wants it for whatever crazy reason, they can have it
[08:56:50] <enleth> you are in the EU, right?
[08:57:10] <miss0r|shop> Denmark
[08:57:13] <miss0r|shop> so yeah
[08:58:11] <enleth> I'll ask the other guys if we need another terminal and look up the shipping costs then
[08:58:21] <miss0r|shop> alright
[08:59:29] <enleth> fun fact is, my Bridgeport was originally purchased and used in Denmark
[08:59:47] <enleth> there are labels in Danish
[09:00:16] <miss0r|shop> hehe. good luck with that :) where are you from anyway?
[09:00:48] <enleth> Poland, the mill is at the Warsaw Hackerspace
[09:01:22] <miss0r|shop> cool. Any of you guys there want to do a trade of some surface grinders ? (NEVER MIND THE SHIPPING COST!) :)
[09:03:49] <enleth> yeah, I'd happily get one traded for a heartfelt "thank you"
[09:04:10] <enleth> but I don't expect you to jump on that offer
[09:04:51] <miss0r|shop> Honnestly I am open for all suggestions. But best would be if I could find one locally..
[09:10:12] <miss0r|shop> I don't even need a working area this large! my surface grinder can do 800x300mm
[09:10:29] <miss0r|shop> I realy only need something like 300x150-200mm
[09:23:50] <miss0r|shop> yay! I managed to ajust my TOS FNK 25A mill tables gips to an extend where I only have 0.003mm height difference from one side of the table to the other
[09:30:20] <witnit> miss0r|shop: this is all I could dig up www.vil.uk.com/vil/images/jakobsen.pdf
[09:30:42] <witnit> not what you need I dont think, but maybe you could use it?
[09:32:25] <miss0r|shop> witnit: Thanks for the efford. but that is for a system born with a DRO system. The surface grinder in question is from '72
[09:34:45] <miss0r|shop> I realy do wonder why they would charge for the manuals. What efford would it take for them to have a downloadable pdf on their site? shouldn't they just be happy that the models they sold in '72 were good enough to still be used?
[09:35:19] <witnit> Sometimes I ask for a parts or service manual
[09:35:23] <witnit> and you end up with what you need
[09:40:51] <gregcnc> maybe this will help
http://www.dialog5.com/OtherDownloads/JakobsenSJ12.pdf
[09:41:24] <witnit> gregcnc: wins!
[09:42:10] <miss0r|shop> gregcnc: it is almost the same manual... did I mention I almost didn't pass german class?
[09:42:20] <miss0r|shop> thanks
[09:42:28] <Sync> pfft
[09:42:44] <joem_> i should have taken a mandarin class...
https://i.imgur.com/BhHmYUs.jpg
[09:43:13] <gregcnc> i just look at the pretty pictures, but can stumble through german to get what I need.
[09:44:04] <Sync> it's actually not that bad
[09:44:46] <Sync> heh
[09:45:04] <Sync> you notice that it was not written by someone who was a native speaker and knew about machine terms
[09:50:07] <enleth> Heidenhain is nice in that regard, they still publish manuals for old controls and the tech support tries to answer questions to the best of their knowledge
[10:38:50] * PetefromTn_ thinks he might pass out from the fumes :D
[10:46:02] <_methods> 420 at PetefromTn_ 's house
[10:47:05] <Jymmm> _methods: Nah, he's just been smokin the whiskey barrels
[10:47:14] <_methods> hehe
[10:47:30] <DRGray> Ok, in the stepper config it runs nice, but when i go into the program and tell it to home it turns motor really slowly?
[10:47:32] <DRGray> any ideas
[10:48:12] <DRGray> i see
[10:48:17] <DRGray> home search velocity maybe
[10:51:14] <Wolf_> I should have stopped at PetefromTn_ ’s house, drove though half the state yesterday
[10:52:22] <PetefromTn_> naah I'm suckin' up the lacka LOL
[10:53:06] <PetefromTn_> trying to get these cabinet doors finished been a pain in the keister..
[10:53:58] <DRGray> homing the z
[10:54:00] <DRGray> keeps going the wrong way
[10:54:10] <Wolf_> turn the machine over
[10:54:26] <_methods> sometimes the best solutions are the simplest
[10:55:11] <Jymmm> _methods: three swings with a 8lb maul seem simple enough
[10:55:14] <Wolf_> or change the homing direction in the config
[10:55:22] <DRGray> yeah
[10:55:25] <DRGray> just looking at at
[10:55:26] <_methods> i like flipping the machine over better
[10:55:26] <DRGray> at that
[10:55:36] <Wolf_> :D
[10:55:40] <DRGray> the home switch would still be in the wrong place though?
[10:55:42] <DRGray> :p
[10:56:14] <_methods> hehe
[10:56:54] <Wolf_> ssi:
http://i.imgur.com/j3uNVIS.jpg
[10:59:05] <DRGray> if i tell it to move z minus on screen its going down but on the cnc its going up
[10:59:06] <DRGray> joy
[10:59:56] <PetefromTn_> hehe fun!
[11:00:14] <DRGray> yeah
[11:00:16] <DRGray> some sort of fun
[11:01:27] <Wolf_> need to reset the axis setting or swap wires
[11:01:31] <anonimasu> anyone got a clue about lead angle when using the bldc and the Mesa 8i20 drive's
[11:01:39] <anonimasu> or optimization when using them
[11:04:55] <DRGray> weird
[11:05:15] <DRGray> reset teh axis setting? swap wires?
[11:05:46] <Wolf_> software doesn’t know which way is up till you tell it
[11:05:58] <Wolf_> might want to double check the x/y as well
[11:05:58] <DRGray> where do i tell it?
[11:06:05] <DRGray> x and y all seem fine
[11:06:10] <DRGray> i think :-s
[11:06:35] <Wolf_> umm its in the docs somewhere I forget how to do it lol
[11:07:30] <DRGray> lets look at my friend google
[11:09:34] <DRGray> inverted the pin
[11:09:56] <pink_vampire|3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REeGn4hN1Bg
[11:10:48] <DRGray> getting closer to getting this bad boy running!
[11:11:32] <DRGray> when i jog it in interface it moves very slowly
[11:11:45] <DRGray> any ideas
[11:11:46] <DRGray> ?
[11:11:51] <DRGray> or is it just set to slow
[11:21:28] <DRGray> ok. when I click + on the x axis should it go up or down?
[11:34:33] <DRGray> i think im getting my directions all muddled
[11:47:13] <Loetmichel2> *maaan* the 'joys' of rescuing an orld car from the scrapper... dorve home today, left the car... "why does it smell like bruning clutch here?" *running around the car sniffing* "ah, right rear wheel..." *touch the wheel nuts* *PSSSSS* "AAAAAAHH" ooookay, the brakedrim is a hair short of glowing red... the other 3 wheels are cool. seems thats te reason the car had used so much more fuel the
[11:47:14] <Loetmichel2> last few days... :-(
[11:49:15] <Loetmichel2> drove, burning, brakedrum
[12:07:59] <jthornton> ha I finally cloned the hard drive as an image to the nas
[12:09:37] <jdh> dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/my_l33_nas/d.img ?
[12:09:49] <Deejay> hehe, thought the same (dd is your friend ^^)
[12:10:43] <jthornton> I'm using clonezilla so I don't have to copy empty blocks
[12:16:31] <Cromaglious_> dd if=/dev/sda of=/d.img bs=1M I like using 1meg block size for a faster copy
[12:16:38] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
[12:16:59] <maxcnc> is 4M not faster then 1m
[12:16:59] <Cromaglious_> yo max
[12:17:13] <Cromaglious_> not much
[12:17:42] <maxcnc> i discovered at rasperry image coopieng that 4m is about 20% faster
[12:18:05] <Cromaglious_> 1M bs would be about 19% fast then
[12:18:32] <Cromaglious_> anything is faster than sector size blocks
[12:19:57] <maxcnc> on 2GB only 10seconds different
[12:22:56] <Cromaglious_> between 1M and 4M block size?
[12:23:06] <maxcnc> yes
[12:33:58] <CaptHindsight> how long does Fedex ground take from the west cost to the east coat? It seems to take 5 days from Ca to the midwest.
[12:34:17] <CaptHindsight> 5 business days
[12:34:33] <Cromaglious_> depends on how many terminals it has to go through
[12:36:20] <Cromaglious_> just truck time is 4days coast to coast, plus terminal time add a day for each terminal.My hitch from IN to CA took 4days from company to terminal nearest me.
[12:37:13] <Cromaglious_> then they lost it for a week
[12:38:04] <CaptHindsight> I only use ground when it's a 1 day from either UPS or Fedex now
[12:39:08] <CaptHindsight> I wish more suppliers would offer USPS Priority
[12:54:49] <MrSunshine> hmm, i dont get these laser collimators .. i guess im missing something but they have a target that the laser shines throught, then there is some rings etc .. if its straight is the laser supposed to shine straight back into the laser hole ?
[12:56:42] <archivist> which are you looking at
[12:56:49] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: As a rule, collimators "concentrate" the raw beam into a fine point.
[12:57:13] <MrSunshine> archivist:
http://www.firstlightoptics.com/hotech-collimation-tools/hotech-sca-laser-collimator.html something like that is what i find
[12:57:25] <archivist> lots of funky optical stuff about
[13:01:15] <archivist> I do believe that is looking at the return but is specially made for telescope alignment
[13:03:01] <MrSunshine> archivist: ah ok .. but the thing you talked about also used a mirror ... where does the mirror shoot the beam? =)
[13:03:23] <archivist> back at the source
[13:03:42] <archivist> read up about autocollimator use
[13:05:22] <archivist> I am just thinking for your machine you could get away with a laser pointer as a poor mans version
[13:05:54] <MrSunshine> hehe yeah =)
[13:06:06] <MrSunshine> im guessing the precision wont be great but the machine isnt great either =)
[13:06:33] <archivist> exactly and the real thing would be too accurate
[13:06:46] <MrSunshine> i wish there was some kind of video if it .. i have realy hard learning from reading :(
[13:07:17] <archivist> I just get hold of second hand gear and play
[13:08:22] <archivist> HP made some laser tool for flatness and straightness measuring
[13:09:18] <archivist> I have one part of the kit, no laser or interferometer and readout
[13:10:16] <archivist> the straightness adapter is just a brick with a beam splitter
[13:12:07] <CaptHindsight> use a cheap laser pointer
[13:12:17] <archivist> MrSunshine, some light reading
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/HP/interferometer/
[13:13:21] <Jymmm> Auto PID Tuning
http://brettbeauregard.com/blog/2012/01/arduino-pid-autotune-library/
[13:13:36] <archivist> I have tried a laser pointer with an educational interferometer and I did get a proper pattern
[13:15:13] <archivist> eg this setup but cheaper
http://web.physics.ucsb.edu/~lecturedemonstrations/Composer/Pages/84.30.html
[13:15:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.instructables.com/id/Desktop-Michelson-Morely-Interferometer/
[13:20:46] <maxcnc> Gn8
[13:20:52] <MrSunshine> found a small pen laserpointer atleast =)
[13:21:01] <MrSunshine> and it was a bit adjustable so i could get a realy sharp point
[13:21:12] <MrSunshine> looking straight into it it looked sharp atleast .. but now my eye hurts a bit
[13:25:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitutoyo-Digital-Indicator-Model-IDU-25E-0-005-to-1-0-01-to-25mm/281879432683 not bad for $25, they seem to go for $60 and up
[13:27:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitutoyo-543-683b-Digital-Indicator-/172109059509 are these made in China now?
[13:28:04] <MrSunshine> sure its not a mitutoy then?
[13:28:25] <CaptHindsight> nope made in Japan
[13:28:27] <archivist> silly seller missed a 0 :)
[13:28:47] <archivist> .0005 "
[13:31:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0005-MITUTOYO-DIGITAL-INDICATOR-DIGIMATIC-MACHINIST-TOOL-/172109169796
[13:31:42] <CaptHindsight> older version
[13:32:32] <MrSunshine> thanks for the info again guys =) you are an amzing source of inspiration and knowledge =)
[13:32:43] <MrSunshine> gonna see what i can figure out of this tomorrow =)
[13:33:20] <MrSunshine> the biggest problem i can think of is how to hold the mirror straight and solid on a V rail
[13:33:52] <archivist> CaptHindsight,
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_10_12_cnc_mitutoyo_dti/IMG_1673.JPG nice type to get
[13:34:34] <archivist> MrSunshine, it rides on the axis
[13:35:13] <MrSunshine> archivist: yeah sure but then i got more error variables (the rail on the other side could be pushing the gantry one way or th eother also)
[13:35:50] <archivist> lots of error terms :)
[13:36:28] <MrSunshine> yeah .. thats why i would like to check the rail by itself =)
[13:36:54] <MrSunshine> and my grinding might not be exactly 45 degrees either .. hehe :P
[14:10:40] <archivist> make your own optical square
http://www.edmundoptics.co.uk/optics/prisms/penta-prisms/uv-fused-silica-penta-prisms/2889/
[14:11:00] <archivist> 1 arc second £60
[14:40:52] <CaptHindsight> archivist: if you heat the corner of that part with a heat gun does the indicator move?
[15:25:06] <_methods> http://www.troyhunt.com/2016/02/controlling-vehicle-features-of-nissan.html
[15:25:14] <_methods> doh
[15:37:41] <XXCoder> jeez
[15:37:50] <XXCoder> security should be the first thing before anything else
[15:40:37] <_methods> comments are hilarious
[15:40:44] <_methods> On the bright side, the service is so unreliable that it doesn't usually work anyway for legitimate users.
[15:49:00] <XXCoder> still sucks though
[16:05:02] <XXCoder> _methods: oh btw
[16:05:24] <XXCoder> weird thing, I just found out my van burnt its left headlight connector
[16:05:31] <XXCoder> it may be short somewhere
[16:06:29] <XXCoder> I like troy hunt blog site
[16:11:49] <MrSunshine> https://www.lasercomponents.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_LT-VA-5_66facafd40.jpg this is how i was thinking of the laser alignment .. without mirrors
[16:13:38] <XXCoder> LOL _methods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjKjyMKj3n4
[16:15:07] <Sync> archivist: that's actually suprisingly affordable
[16:16:03] <XXCoder> glad guy added text comments or it'd be boring video
[16:18:12] <XXCoder> access starts at 22:40 something
[16:20:53] <Jymmm> When having a bad day, and all you want to do is fix the darn thing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM8aBESf8EI
[16:21:26] <XXCoder> loyality key OL
[16:22:53] <XXCoder> $160 annually - one time payment heh scammer is funny
[16:26:39] <Deejay> gn8
[16:40:22] <pink_vampire|3> hi
[16:40:31] <pink_vampire|3> hi XXCoder
[16:50:03] <gregcnc> lol the bird
[17:34:32] <Cromaglious_> hmmm fbx extension, any convertion to dxf or stl?
[17:44:31] <joem_> anybody consider spraying their flood tray with superhydrophobic coatings?
[17:44:40] <joem_> neverwet, everdry, etc
[19:21:29] <_methods> i just sprayed mine with stainless steel
[19:31:22] <Tom_itx> silly me
[19:31:36] <Tom_itx> i should have invented SS spray paint
[19:32:58] <_methods> hehe
[19:33:08] <_methods> its superhydrophobic
[19:48:02] <_methods> http://www.navage.com/Default.asp
[19:48:13] <_methods> can't believe that isn't a kickstarter
[19:52:26] <r00t4rd3d> just got my cnc out of storage after 2 years :)
[20:04:27] <pink_vampire|3> joem_: it's sounds interesting
[20:22:07] <pink_vampire> there is a good place to get setup jacks?
[20:23:11] <pink_vampire> archivist: ?
[20:23:15] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[20:23:20] <pink_vampire> Tom_itx: ?
[20:30:26] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fowler-52-104-025-Machinist-Jack-Set-1000lbs-Capacity-Free-Shipping-New-/121717250008?hash=item1c56e9d7d8:g:QNoAAOSwDNdVudvi
[20:30:49] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-Starrett-190-A-little-giant-jack-SCREW-tools-Machinist-tool-/252286636385?hash=item3abd749161:g:GCQAAOSwWTRWv-Ze
[20:30:55] <Tom_itx> i've got some of those
[20:31:39] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MACHINIST-JACK-SCREW-SET-1000-lb-lifting-rigging-equipment-moving-tools-/321519136290?hash=item4adc08ae22:g:re4AAMXQydtTNTmL
[20:31:44] <Tom_itx> if you need spacers too
[20:35:17] <CaptHindsight> whats the usual problem with the Bridgeport J-head when they get stuck in either High or Low range?
[20:37:46] <_methods> that damn switch gets stuck some times
[20:38:08] <_methods> spin the spindle by hand a bit and try to switch it over
[20:40:28] <yasnak> yeah
[20:40:40] <yasnak> toggle the lever a bit with it off and you moving the spindle back and forth
[20:40:46] <yasnak> itll catch eventually
[20:40:59] <_methods> jiggle dat bitch
[20:46:32] <yasnak> giggityu
[20:48:35] <CaptHindsight> _methods: this is for when that trick no longer works
[20:49:00] <_methods> ah then it's take it apart time
[20:49:15] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[20:50:24] <CaptHindsight> it's only 56, so still getting broken in
[20:51:19] <pink_vampire> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Heavy-Duty-Jack-Screw-Set/H5877
[20:52:43] <pink_vampire> this set look like a copy of the starrett set
[20:53:24] <pink_vampire> http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/Jack-Screws/Precision-Shop-Tools/Precision-Hand-Tools/Precision-Measuring-Tools/SF190
[20:53:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/special-offers/monthly-sales-flyer?digital_readout_category=Linear+Scales
[20:54:18] <CaptHindsight> ~50% off for their scales
[20:54:49] <CaptHindsight> the aluminum ones anyway
[21:03:06] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, i'm not sure but my friend just rebuilt his not too long ago
[21:04:07] <_methods> there's as a few things that can go wrong in there but most of them are fairly easy to fix
[21:04:27] <CaptHindsight> I just hope it's not gremlins
[21:04:42] <CaptHindsight> or a gypsy curse
[21:05:02] <_methods> haha
[21:05:30] <CaptHindsight> the z-axis autofeed is also getting sticky
[21:05:43] <CaptHindsight> probably needs a good cleaning
[21:06:10] <yasnak> when screwing hard always remember lube
[21:06:25] <CaptHindsight> I'm not sure how someone managed to score a ring around the quill about an inch from the bottom
[21:07:14] <yasnak> Someone cross threaded and continued to keep screwing until they got the collet in on one of ours
[21:07:22] <yasnak> Yeah, I nearly murdered someone after that
[21:07:34] <yasnak> The drawbar that is
[21:08:45] <CaptHindsight> well more than half my machines were acquired from those that crashed or wired them wrong
[21:08:46] <yasnak> Or how when you change the gears the forward and rev aren't exactly always correct. Night shift prepped a bunch of castings using a 0.75 drill. Would clean up later leaving about 0.05". Well, so much for that as they ran the drill backwards and complained of how hard it was to drill.
[21:09:02] <CaptHindsight> lol
[21:09:09] <yasnak> Yeah, some people really worry me
[21:11:30] <_methods> reverse drilling is an advanced machining technique lol
[21:12:05] <CaptHindsight> friction drilling
[21:12:07] <SpeedEvil> Is there any scenario in which it's legit?
[21:12:20] <SpeedEvil> I've used it to deburr sheet, which would grab forward
[21:12:26] <SpeedEvil> ^holes in
[21:12:39] <CaptHindsight> maybe when trying to weld a drill into acrylic
[21:13:35] <Sync> when you have lefthand threads
[21:13:44] <Sync> or lefthand endmills
[21:14:59] <yasnak> i mean...
[21:15:08] <yasnak> I use left handed drills for drilling thin metals
[21:15:18] <yasnak> or plastic that de-laminates
[21:15:30] <yasnak> and left handed endmills for...they come in handy ;)
[21:16:32] <CaptHindsight> it's odd that there is blizzard warning just a few miles from me, but not a flake in the sky here
[21:19:36] <_methods> stealth blizzard
[21:21:33] <robin_sz> I use downcut router bits on very thin metal
[21:21:40] <gregcnc> I wonder if robots will also diet for people soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5TofulUhEg
[21:21:58] <yasnak> diet?
[21:22:03] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: most common scenario ive seen is machining thin parts
[21:22:08] <zeeshan> where you want to push the part down
[21:22:12] <zeeshan> rather than lift
[21:22:14] <robin_sz> been playing with a lot of thin ally recently, I could not get good holes with a drill
[21:22:32] <yasnak> with thin thin metals
[21:22:41] <yasnak> use doublesided tape on a backing plate
[21:22:47] <yasnak> ez pz
[21:22:48] <robin_sz> but just using the same router bit as I do for the cuts worked fine
[21:23:05] <CaptHindsight> not enough of it to laser or chemical etch?
[21:23:23] <yasnak> laser would be best
[21:23:48] <yasnak> we have a waterjet as well, edm if we need. edm and water need to be stacked as it will deflect from the water jets
[21:24:24] <CaptHindsight> phaser set to drill :)
[21:24:28] <robin_sz> same with laser
[21:24:51] <robin_sz> thin stuff is a pain on the laser, especially ally
[21:25:04] <yasnak> if its high production we usually just make a die and use the cnc press
[21:25:12] <CaptHindsight> how thin and what type of alloy?
[21:25:21] <yasnak> which is my fav method as i don't need to do it anymore on the cncs ;p
[21:26:09] <yasnak> al on a laser sucks yeah, what a weird metal
[21:26:23] <CaptHindsight> somebody else's job :)
[21:26:41] * zeeshan is working with 0.002 - 0.001 for the lab
[21:26:42] <robin_sz> thick ally is a pain, needs so much power to cut
[21:26:46] <zeeshan> easy to make holes in it :)
[21:27:00] <robin_sz> below about 1.2mm its a pain
[21:27:21] <CaptHindsight> trained metal eating bacteria
[21:27:25] <robin_sz> im about to cut a lod of .016" 2024-T3 on the router
[21:27:31] <zeeshan> there is nothing pain about cutting al
[21:27:32] <zeeshan> :P
[21:27:37] <zeeshan> other than you need lube!
[21:27:40] <yasnak> lol
[21:27:41] <robin_sz> nah
[21:27:46] <robin_sz> no lube
[21:27:52] <yasnak> 1-2 thousanths
[21:27:57] <zeeshan> it clogs chip really quick
[21:28:00] <robin_sz> nah
[21:28:01] <yasnak> f i'd just use a pair of siccers lol
[21:28:05] <zeeshan> yasnak: haha
[21:28:13] <yasnak> scissors
[21:28:15] <robin_sz> I cut lots of 5083, no lube
[21:28:17] <zeeshan> i cut 3" circles
[21:28:19] <yasnak> autocorrect botched hard
[21:28:20] <zeeshan> guess how i do it?
[21:28:20] <robin_sz> 6mm plate
[21:28:32] <zeeshan> i took a tube and chamfered the end of it
[21:28:36] <CaptHindsight> use a plotter/cutter for that thin
[21:28:37] <zeeshan> and then i press down on it
[21:28:37] <zeeshan> done
[21:28:38] <zeeshan> :P
[21:28:41] <robin_sz> yep
[21:28:58] <robin_sz> Ive found hard ally is fine no lube
[21:29:05] <zeeshan> not 6061
[21:29:09] <zeeshan> at 40-80 ipm
[21:29:20] <zeeshan> itll jam a 3/8 3 flute easily
[21:29:27] <yasnak> 6061 i run balls out, 400 ipm
[21:29:28] <robin_sz> absilutely
[21:29:34] <zeeshan> yasnak: i wish i had that speed!!!
[21:29:44] <robin_sz> 40 ipm on a 3 flute ou deserve to get clogged
[21:29:47] <zeeshan> seems like my machine can only cut at 100 ipm
[21:29:55] <robin_sz> so ...
[21:29:57] <zeeshan> so ive been trying to use bigger and longer cutters
[21:30:00] <robin_sz> why use a 3 flute?
[21:30:02] <yasnak> i can go faster but the machine tends to jump around
[21:30:07] <zeeshan> robin_sz: to go faster?
[21:30:21] <robin_sz> but can you do 400ipm?
[21:30:23] <zeeshan> yasnak: did you see my vid of my machine jumping around on the back feed?
[21:30:29] <yasnak> nah
[21:30:34] <zeeshan> robin_sz: i dont have 290290238 rpm
[21:30:40] <zeeshan> im limited to 3150 rpm
[21:30:41] <yasnak> post it, ill check it in a few. need to grab some dinner. brb
[21:30:51] <robin_sz> wow
[21:30:51] <zeeshan> for me to cut faster with that speed, i need to get more flutes
[21:30:57] <robin_sz> yeah,
[21:31:02] <robin_sz> 8 though per tooth
[21:31:06] <robin_sz> *thou
[21:31:36] <gregcnc> did you make any progress on the speed issue?
[21:31:40] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/70rd9fK-UGg?t=73
[21:31:42] <robin_sz> I use single flute, 18K rpm, 100 ipm
[21:31:44] <zeeshan> greg yes
[21:31:58] <zeeshan> i increased the acceleration for the axis
[21:32:10] <zeeshan> now ican do 140 ipm without any of that jerkiness
[21:32:16] <zeeshan> but at 200 ipm i can still notice it
[21:32:19] <zeeshan> good enough for me :P
[21:32:24] <zeeshan> nice robin
[21:32:35] <gregcnc> OK that makes sense
[21:32:42] <zeeshan> i need better drives
[21:32:48] <zeeshan> be25a20ac aint cutting it
[21:32:57] <gregcnc> more current?
[21:32:59] <zeeshan> not enough peak current
[21:33:00] <zeeshan> ya
[21:33:01] <robin_sz> I wish I could get 6061-T6 here in the UK at sensible price
[21:33:10] <zeeshan> robin_sz: whats a common alloy?
[21:33:48] <robin_sz> zeeshan, in general? or for this application?
[21:33:55] <zeeshan> in general thats available
[21:34:00] <robin_sz> 5083
[21:34:12] <zeeshan> hm
[21:34:13] <robin_sz> but not suitable for this project
[21:34:45] <zeeshan> almost all stores here carry 2024 3003 6061 7075
[21:34:50] <zeeshan> and 1100
[21:34:57] <robin_sz> the plans call for 6061-T6 or 2024-T3
[21:35:04] <zeeshan> whatcha makin
[21:35:07] <robin_sz> on an aero release
[21:35:13] <robin_sz> plane :)
[21:35:18] <zeeshan> ah
[21:35:40] <robin_sz> 6061-T6. 0.016" in USA = $80/sheet
[21:35:45] <gregcnc> 5000 series are highly corrosion resistant
[21:35:45] <robin_sz> in UK, $400
[21:35:56] <robin_sz> yes, 5083 is a good marine grade
[21:36:22] <zeeshan> wow
[21:36:28] <robin_sz> so, imgetting 2024-T3 alclad
[21:36:49] <robin_sz> 2024 is prone to corrosion
[21:37:05] <robin_sz> but you can get it clad with a few microns of pure ally
[21:38:08] <robin_sz> I made the flanging dies for the lightning holes the other day
[21:38:09] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/75s4952sgxl0auq/DSC_0201.jpg?dl=0
[21:38:22] <robin_sz> quite pleased with those
[21:38:54] <gregcnc> can't you get a H20 or something equal more easily?
[21:39:18] <robin_sz> it has to be one of the alloys mentioned on the plans
[21:39:45] <robin_sz> otherwise you are into a world of pain with the CAA
[21:40:03] <gregcnc> right certs airplanes are picky
[21:40:10] <robin_sz> yep
[21:40:46] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Rd3xTqR.png
[21:40:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Rd3xTqR.png
[21:40:58] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7Z3b3xw.png
[21:41:43] * zeeshan likes 2024
[21:42:18] <robin_sz> yep
[21:42:28] <robin_sz> its not as corrosion resistant
[21:42:40] <robin_sz> and it might be a bit of a pain when forming the ribs
[21:43:01] <robin_sz> but, its easier to get
[21:43:08] <robin_sz> over here anyway
[21:44:04] <zeeshan> hm
[21:44:07] <zeeshan> ive never used 2024 before
[21:44:15] <zeeshan> its more ductile and stronger than 6061
[21:44:19] <evil_ren> that sucks. 6061 is like, normal aluminum here
[21:44:40] <zeeshan> whatrs the catch
[21:44:47] <zeeshan> even the fatigue strength is higher
[21:45:04] <evil_ren> shrug, maybe just more expensive
[21:45:20] <robin_sz> and the corrosion resistance of plain 2024 is shit
[21:45:51] <robin_sz> you're right though, greater ductility
[21:46:07] <robin_sz> actually, I just stopped worrying about forming those ribs :)
[21:46:14] <evil_ren> yeah mcmaster chart says corrosion resistance is the diff
[21:46:22] <zeeshan> corrosion resistance makes sense
[21:46:29] <zeeshan> 90-95% al content
[21:46:34] <robin_sz> thats why I ma using alclad
[21:46:38] <zeeshan> vs 96-99% al
[21:46:40] <zeeshan> cool
[21:47:00] <zeeshan> cladded aluminum is awesome
[21:47:11] <robin_sz> although quite how many microns of pure al you get on 0.016" sheet is questionable
[21:47:30] <robin_sz> they even do a 0.012" sheet
[21:47:47] <zeeshan> im sure you can request the batch specs
[21:47:59] <zeeshan> the sheets i asked for paper work for
[21:48:00] <robin_sz> im sure it will come with full certs
[21:48:01] <zeeshan> cause i need to ducment it
[21:48:04] <robin_sz> same
[21:48:12] <robin_sz> I have to have it on a full release
[21:49:19] <robin_sz> http://www.zenithair.com/stolch750/
[21:49:28] <robin_sz> sensible people just buy the kit
[21:49:42] <robin_sz> its only us idiots that buy raw sheet and feed the router
[21:51:21] <zeeshan> that looks like fun
[21:51:29] <robin_sz> oh yes
[21:51:30] <zeeshan> $375?!?
[21:51:36] <robin_sz> ?
[21:51:44] <zeeshan> how much is that kit
[21:51:49] <robin_sz> $19K
[21:51:53] <zeeshan> hehe
[21:52:12] <robin_sz> I have a router and a pressbrake
[21:52:51] <robin_sz> and Ive done DXF's of all the parts from the paper plans
[21:53:15] <robin_sz> they dont supply the drawings in electronic form
[21:53:25] <robin_sz> because, they are worried about people copying them
[21:53:39] <robin_sz> I guess they don't have scanners im America ...
[21:53:53] <evil_ren> how big are the drawings?
[21:53:57] <robin_sz> A3
[21:54:11] <robin_sz> local print shop scanne them for me for $20
[21:54:21] <evil_ren> yeah not everyone has one of those
[21:54:30] <robin_sz> a print shop? sure they do
[21:54:44] <robin_sz> every small town has one dont they?
[21:54:47] <evil_ren> and converting from raster would be drama, and converting from vector would make me paranoid
[21:54:57] <evil_ren> and yeah print shop would totally do it
[21:55:03] <robin_sz> thats what I did
[21:55:15] <evil_ren> from raster?
[21:55:19] <robin_sz> nah
[21:55:37] <robin_sz> I had the local print shop scan for a safety copy
[21:55:54] <robin_sz> so any argument abut not releasing electronic copies is now null and void
[21:55:57] <evil_ren> yeah because wtf paper
[21:56:07] <robin_sz> but, I had to hand draw all the parts into CAD
[21:56:11] <robin_sz> using dimensions
[21:56:18] <evil_ren> well, PDF of drawings is different than raw CAD
[21:56:34] <robin_sz> not really, I can do PDF to dxf
[21:56:47] <robin_sz> PDF often contain vectors in the embedded .ai
[21:56:51] <evil_ren> i understand them not releasing raw cad, but yeah as you have proven PDF of the paper drawings is not an issue, heh
[21:56:53] <robin_sz> .ps I mean
[21:57:11] <robin_sz> anyway, I just drew by hand into solidworks
[21:57:20] <robin_sz> was not such a huge task
[21:57:27] <evil_ren> depending on complexity, double checking the output of that sounds like comparable work to just copying from the drawings
[21:57:30] <zeeshan> trace the lines :D
[21:57:31] <robin_sz> and gave me good understanding of the bits
[21:57:36] <evil_ren> yeah
[21:57:54] <robin_sz> on the wing skins I put in all the rivet holes
[21:57:59] <evil_ren> zeeshan: would be easy but hopefully they sell you dimensions with the drawings, heh
[21:58:21] <robin_sz> they do, drawings are actually fully complete on dimensions
[21:58:29] <evil_ren> thats always nice
[21:58:49] <robin_sz> its a great project anyway
[21:58:53] <robin_sz> it may even fly
[21:59:21] <evil_ren> scary
[21:59:38] <Sync> hm, you could just draw it from the drawings
[21:59:46] <Sync> pain in the ass, but eh
[21:59:48] <robin_sz> i did
[22:01:22] <robin_sz> im quite quick in solidworks, so it wasnt a huge PITA, iit helped Christmas pass :)
[22:01:42] <Sync> yeah
[22:01:49] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l8dgd8oghvuedpj/20160221_234724_edited.jpg?dl=0
[22:02:08] <robin_sz> testing the flanging dies
[22:05:45] <zeeshan> looks nice
[22:05:48] <zeeshan> got a pic of the flanging dies?
[22:14:07] <yasnak> zeeshan
[22:14:15] <yasnak> that feedrate is too slow bro
[22:15:26] <zeeshan> haha
[22:15:34] <zeeshan> its steel!
[22:15:45] <Sync> moar.
[22:16:01] <zeeshan> i got that feedrate by limiting deflection to 0.0009
[22:16:18] <yasnak> man, i cut 1018 at the same speeds at alum
[22:16:37] <yasnak> with 1018 you want those blue chips
[22:16:46] <yasnak> just saying but looks like an awesome finish
[22:17:07] <yasnak> except for the x,y moves. looks a bit jagged. is this a legit cnc or one you built?
[22:20:24] <zeeshan> its a mikron wf21c
[22:20:31] <zeeshan> with a controller i built
[22:20:46] <zeeshan> the xy moves are jagged during rapid :{
[22:22:11] <robin_sz> zeeshan, flanging dies:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/75s4952sgxl0auq/DSC_0201.jpg?dl=0
[22:22:21] <zeeshan> did you make those?
[22:22:23] <zeeshan> those look great
[22:22:26] <robin_sz> yep
[22:22:44] <robin_sz> from 30mm plate on the lathe
[22:23:50] <robin_sz> wtf is my rabbit trying to escape from his cage by chewing through the steel bars?
[22:23:55] <robin_sz> its never going to work is it?
[22:24:31] <zeeshan> lol
[23:11:04] <minibnz> oh so i just fell down the stairs.. i feel like an old man.. :(
[23:11:25] <minibnz> didn't break a hip or anything but i wont be playing that game again...
[23:12:56] <minibnz> just came back from the steel store got me some lovely bits of un-even angle to make a ATC... it should pinch the spring so it doesn't push the spindle out of the head... but it has three moving parts.. just hope it works without bending..
[23:14:25] <jfindley> Did one thing lead to the other?
[23:14:34] <minibnz> no not really
[23:14:38] <minibnz> but yeah sorta..
[23:16:00] <minibnz> its really really hot here today 40'c average.. and my mate had given me a portable aircon which i had already taken up the stairs.. i went down the stairs to get the tube for the Air con... thats when i rememebered too late dont go down the staris in socks... you will get there faster than you thouht..
[23:16:34] <minibnz> it was cuz i was outside that i wanted me some nice cold air on my nuts..
[23:16:35] <jfindley> I used to do that when I was a kid.
[23:17:23] <minibnz> the first time ever i have fallen down these stairs.. even when drinking i could only manage to fall up them not down them on my back.. at least as far as i can remember...
[23:17:36] <minibnz> oh i wish i had my protected beer blanket on...
[23:17:51] <jfindley> what're you drinking now?
[23:17:55] <minibnz> perfectly sober makes things hurt...
[23:18:23] <minibnz> vodka in an attempt at dulling the pain..
[23:19:13] <jfindley> What kind of vodka?
[23:19:38] <minibnz> crystal head was all i had on the shelf..
[23:20:21] <minibnz> it would have been a good look if i was stuck there at th bottom of the steps in my boxers and shorts waiting for the GF to get home and yell at me for being a clown...
[23:20:46] <minibnz> now i can just tell her the bruises are from sport or somthing..
[23:21:14] <minibnz> and get her got to the fridge for me when this bottle runs out.
[23:21:49] <jfindley> haha
[23:22:17] <minibnz> she told me i was getting fat and i should go play more sport... its all her fault..
[23:22:58] <minibnz> just wont tell her i was playing fall down the stairs...
[23:24:09] <jfindley> yep, i'm getting bigger myself. luckily my company started up the paintball team again, so I can get some exercise.
[23:25:37] <minibnz> nice i have me a paintball mask hanging up... with a brand new lens thats probably 8+ years old.. so i have to test it before i go again..
[23:25:59] <minibnz> but that said i got my gun license so i have been going hunting a lot so not much spare time :)
[23:26:47] <minibnz> people are not all that fun to shoot... you cant eat them...
[23:27:00] <jfindley> been doing a lot of that myself, but hunting in east texas doesn't involve a lot of moving around =)
[23:27:10] <minibnz> shooting people?
[23:27:31] <minibnz> ahh stand hunting... takes a different endurance altogether...
[23:27:35] <jfindley> deer, hogs, squirrels, dove, coyotes, mountain lions, etc.
[23:28:14] <minibnz> mostly i have been deer and rabit hunting.. working on getting my profesional license so i can shoot birds in factory's
[23:29:06] <minibnz> not allowed to shoot the kanagroos without tags and do a course to say you can hit a 5shot x 85mm group at 100m
[23:29:16] <jfindley> aussie!
[23:29:24] <minibnz> only costs $400 so i will be doing that test soon.
[23:29:25] <minibnz> yup.
[23:29:30] <jfindley> nice
[23:29:39] <minibnz> gun laws are tight here.. but they are workable.
[23:29:55] <jfindley> 85mm at 100m? that's terrible.
[23:30:05] <minibnz> i dont mind them.. keeps the nut cases away from them a bit.
[23:30:58] <jfindley> I take that back, 85mm offhand at 100m is ok, but from prone or otherwise supported, that's a pretty big group.
[23:31:00] <minibnz> kanagaroos have a heart about the same a small horse so you hit that and they drop.. heart shots recomended for culling and headshots for skins and meat.
[23:31:13] <minibnz> its easy to get that..
[23:31:45] <jfindley> hmm... how does kangaroo taste?
[23:31:57] <minibnz> i gotta get a bigger rifle to keep the greenies happy. only got .222 at the moment. they want .270 or bigger.
[23:32:53] <minibnz> it tastes really nice.. its a little gamey but its not heavy.. and there it ZERO fat in it so if you over cook it its like leather.. you eat it rare and its lovely on the BBQ
[23:33:24] <minibnz> the main problem is that it stinks when you are cooking it.. it dont smell like beef or chicken its a weird smell
[23:34:26] <jfindley> Is it possible for an American to hunt in Australia?
[23:34:34] <minibnz> for some people that turns them off. chicks dont like the smell of it. so if you dont let them smell it cooking but only when its done they like it..
[23:34:44] <minibnz> yup sure is..
[23:35:21] <minibnz> there is a special permit you can apply for in victoria. i think there is the same for new south wales but not 100% certain. only heard about the vic license..
[23:35:54] <minibnz> you can bring your own guns as long as its not on the banned list.. ie not a semi auto or full auto..
[23:36:06] <minibnz> should not have a problem bringing in .50cal
[23:37:00] <jfindley> Probably just stick with the 6.5.
[23:37:02] <minibnz> you might need to do a wildlife identification test if you want to hunt in public spaces like the state forrests. but you will probably have more fun and luck on a property/station where you wont need that
[23:39:45] <minibnz> deer also needs a .270 mim so i have been using my mates .308.. if you are going after pigs you will need something bigger than 6.5 unless you are a crack shot.. i have even seen .270 rounds bounce off their heads and shoulders. the shoulders you expect
[23:40:19] <minibnz> no pump action shotguns.. and only lever shottys with 5 or less mag cap..
[23:40:39] <jfindley> I haven't had any issues with the pigs around here. Most I care to take are around 130lbs, but they get up to 400 or so.
[23:40:42] <minibnz> cant use a pistol of any sort hunting.. dont really like that law..
[23:40:55] <minibnz> ok so you can place a shot :)
[23:40:59] <minibnz> thats good.
[23:41:29] <minibnz> we have camels.. lots of camels in the middle.. and lots of wild horses too..
[23:41:47] <jfindley> That's silly. When I'm walking out to my tree stands I have my 460S&W ready in case I stumble on some sleeping hogs. 240 grains at 1780fps does a good job on them.
[23:42:24] <minibnz> if you need to get any advise on how to get into AU with your stuff contact the SSAA.org probably the biggest gun club in AU..
[23:42:45] <jfindley> I've got to get to Australia one of these days. All kinds of wildlife I've never seen before.
[23:43:33] <minibnz> yeah i get worried when i am roaming the state forrests with an air rifle picking off rabbits. when i see pig sign i get a little worried. now i carry a shotgun on my back just in case i cant get to a tree...
[23:44:02] <minibnz> come down its lovely.... a bit hot.. but you get over that..
[23:44:52] <jfindley> Heh, I'm from Texas.
[23:45:06] <jfindley> It gets pretty warm here, too.
[23:45:11] <minibnz> just time your viist right for what you want to do.. wet season locks out the northen teritory for 4mths of the year.. not tourist freindly at all, but really temping cuz the temps have dropped...
[23:45:54] <minibnz> it goes from one extreme to the other really quick.. from being as dry as a dead dingo's donger to being flooded..
[23:46:30] <jfindley> Yep, a pretty unforgiving place as I understand it.
[23:46:34] <minibnz> pack a EPRB and you will be fine.. i have to get one soon. just to keep my mum happy..
[23:47:39] <minibnz> yeah if you can spend a weekend in texas desert you should be fine... you already know how much water you need etc.. just chuck in a extra bottle or two for justin case..
[23:48:00] <jfindley> How fast do they generally respond to the EPIRB?
[23:48:36] <minibnz> oh 24hrs and they have people in the air looking.. or a plane up.. in the area..
[23:49:46] <minibnz> they pulled something like 8 groups out of the bluemountains over new years.. they got lost and it rained hard.. for two days didnt look like it was going to stop so they poped the switch and that night they had them located and out.
[23:50:36] <jfindley> That's gotta be a fulfilling job.
[23:50:48] <minibnz> it was not forecast to rain in that area when most of them went.. they pulled out something like 12 people from 3 groups in one night.. droppped guides off to others that were still mobile just lost..
[23:51:18] <minibnz> yeah they make reality tv shows out of it now.. you could probably find a few on the net..
[23:51:34] <minibnz> they do get a lot of thank yous from everyone..
[23:52:00] <jfindley> Damn well better, some dude comes into the shit to save your ass, the least you should do is thank him.
[23:52:10] <minibnz> you think its just a case of fly out pick em up and off you go but its actually often dangerous to rescue some of them
[23:52:29] <jfindley> Hell yeah, people don't call for help when everything is fine.
[23:52:42] <minibnz> yeah there was talk of charging the really dumb if they dont go out with the right gear..
[23:52:52] <jfindley> They call for help when it's dark, cold, wet, and they're surrounded by shit trying to eat them =)
[23:53:45] <minibnz> i think they have a fee of ~$4500 or somthing if you dont have a eprb.. wastes time fuel and money.. even with a EPRB i would pay 4500 to get my ass out of the shit...
[23:54:36] <minibnz> thats one thing we dont really have to worry about, most critters down here are actually really scared of people so its only when you surprise them that you get in to trouble with wildlife..
[23:55:04] <minibnz> drop bears are about the worst you will often see/here.. but they dont eat much..
[23:55:28] <anomynous> jfindley, yes yes. Just think about God and people. People are really just like that, aren't they? :D While sick and rotting, but unwilling to give up on sin they walk torwards destruction untill it is too late.
[23:56:12] <jfindley> anomynous: Que?
[23:56:13] <anomynous> but Jesus has paid the price of sins and is the healer to heal... not because someone is a good person, but out of mercy
[23:56:16] <anomynous> =)
[23:56:24] <minibnz> as it is i make sure i drop a map off with a mate and tell em i fyou dont hear from me by X date come and pick up my air rifle off my rotting corpse :)
[23:56:36] <anomynous> jfindley, I just fitted what you said in different context
[23:56:37] <anomynous> :D
[23:57:24] <jfindley> minibnz: Yeah, I do that when I'm going into a national forest. When I'm on my property I play it pretty loose.
[23:57:37] <minibnz> as it is the state forrests are patrolled pretty good so i really dont have to worry.
[23:57:56] <minibnz> we are not allowed to hunt in the national parks.
[23:58:38] <minibnz> there is a conservation program and lottery where if you pass a shooting test and first aid course you might get invited to go cull the pest of the moment.. but the slots are limited.
[23:58:49] <jfindley> There's a million or so acres of national forest a little North of me. Some spots, it's pretty easy to be really hard to find even if you set the forest on fire.
[23:59:08] <minibnz> part of the reason i want to upgrade my license so i get a slot and they pay me to hunt the pest of the day :)
