#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-02-18

[01:58:24] <Deejay> moin
[02:17:48] <FloppyDisk> not quite... still night
[02:30:24] <tiwake> nop, just turned to tomorrow
[02:30:40] <tiwake> which means my bed is calling
[02:30:41] <tiwake> so hard
[02:35:58] <pink_vampire> hi
[08:41:27] <HoloPed> does anyone know stuff about lasers? I want to build a 3.5W engraving machine
[08:41:41] <HoloPed> Was wondering how do you control the laser power
[08:41:55] <HoloPed> some laser modules on ebay don't specify that they have TTL
[08:42:02] <HoloPed> is it still possible to control their power outout ?
[08:42:52] <CaptHindsight> if they are fast enough then by PWM
[08:43:24] <CaptHindsight> duty cycle
[08:44:38] <archivist> some probably expect you to pwm the supply. so not their problem
[08:47:49] <HoloPed> is that doable?
[08:48:13] <HoloPed> are these units fast enough for that ?
[08:48:34] <CaptHindsight> a blueray laser is
[08:48:43] <HoloPed> I going to drive it with a smoothieboard
[08:49:03] <HoloPed> something like this ?
[08:49:03] <HoloPed> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focusable-445nm-3-5W-3500mW-Blue-Laser-Module-w-Heatsink-For-Cutter-Engraver-/231791563087?hash=item35f7da914f:g:ZoEAAOSwwE5WYEO2
[08:50:31] <CaptHindsight> don't know, all it takes is for them to add a nice sized capacitor to the laser V+ and you can't modulate it
[08:50:59] <CaptHindsight> if you have the electronics and optical skills you can mod it
[08:51:31] <CaptHindsight> and since it's from China you won't a straight answer
[08:52:01] <CaptHindsight> heh " 75% Positive feedback" move along!
[08:52:01] <HoloPed> yeah, I know. Asking questions is a waste of time
[08:52:13] <HoloPed> oh jeez, I missed that. Thanks
[08:52:24] <CaptHindsight> that is the worst I've ever seen
[08:52:28] <HoloPed> me too
[08:52:52] <CaptHindsight> This is not a 3.5 w laser what a ripoff its a 50 mw laser . I had it tested
[08:53:15] <chris_99> i love their response to that 'it is impossible.dare you let the laser light to a paper for minutes?'
[08:54:05] <CaptHindsight> I double dog dare them for paper minutes the laser light!
[08:54:22] <HoloPed> any reputable source for lasers ?
[08:54:49] <CaptHindsight> cannibalize a bluray burner
[08:54:53] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6W-NUBM44-450nm-Laser-Diode-In-Copper-Module-W-Leads-/171841782371?hash=item2802918263:g:6IkAAOSwcwhVQRfE
[08:55:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6W-NUBM44-450nm-Laser-Diode-In-Copper-Module-W-Leads-G-2-Glass-Lens-/171841770497?hash=item2802915401:g:6IkAAOSwcwhVQRfE or with working lens
[08:55:24] <HoloPed> CaptHindsight, how much watts are those ?
[08:55:35] <gregcnc> Who was looking for one a TM-UM? http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/5452921037.html
[08:56:19] <SpeedEvil> the above laser is 6W or so
[08:56:28] <SpeedEvil> $200 - but that's not utterly ridiculous
[08:58:00] <HoloPed> SpeedEvil, is it focusable ?
[08:58:28] <SpeedEvil> AIUI, yes
[08:58:43] <SpeedEvil> - but contact him
[08:58:47] <HumanCattle> I just fixed my gas stove today, turned out this thin copper pipe in the wall was the culprit, cracked and leaking. I removed it, jackhammered the wall and put a nickel plated brass pipe in there instead and reattached the hose, now my stove works properly, my question is why do workmen insist on using poor quality copper piping for propane gas?
[08:59:18] <CaptHindsight> quickest way to the money
[08:59:23] <SpeedEvil> Because it's not their house
[08:59:32] <SpeedEvil> And it will not fail in 5 years
[08:59:44] <HumanCattle> Therefore is it not cheaper and better if you do your homework and do your own home repairs yourself?
[09:00:11] <SpeedEvil> ...
[09:00:17] <CaptHindsight> all that matters is money, you don't spend it you just collect it
[09:00:18] <SpeedEvil> In principle, yes.
[09:00:21] <HumanCattle> The nickel plated brass pipe to replace the old copper one set me back only $3
[09:00:22] <CaptHindsight> where have you been?
[09:00:42] <SpeedEvil> Learning how to do everything has its own cost
[09:01:15] <HumanCattle> I wonder how many people have lost family members, homes to poor quality of workmen doing gas engineering to their homes
[09:01:35] <SpeedEvil> Few enough that it hasn't lead to further regulation
[09:01:45] <CaptHindsight> rich or poor family members?
[09:02:05] <archivist> plenty gas regulation in the UK now
[09:02:06] <CaptHindsight> white family members?
[09:02:19] <SpeedEvil> archivist: It is still legal to DIY
[09:02:21] <archivist> nothing wrong with copper
[09:02:23] <SpeedEvil> just not for profit
[09:02:30] <archivist> SpeedEvil, not on gas
[09:02:49] <HumanCattle> except this morning we had a gas leak had to open up all the windows and the copper pipe was green and leaking gas
[09:02:51] <SpeedEvil> archivist: yes, on gas
[09:03:10] <SpeedEvil> You have to be CORGI (or ...) if you're doing it for any consideration.
[09:03:16] <HumanCattle> from today's experience I think copper pipe for gas is actually a really bad idea, it's soft, breaks easy and it corrodes
[09:03:17] <SpeedEvil> Or renting it.
[09:04:24] <Sync> you can't do anything on gas here
[09:04:32] <HumanCattle> I wonder if the guy who first installed the gas here was even qualified
[09:07:06] <HumanCattle> Anyway it's taken me a few hours, a lotta driving, a little money spent and a bit of drilling and some hose clamp tightening but hey I'm finally enjoying my morning coffee
[09:07:20] <HumanCattle> anyway I g2g thanks for ur 2 cents guys
[09:07:25] <CaptHindsight> qualified? You sound like big government :)
[09:07:29] <archivist> HumanCattle, it corrodes less than iron pipe
[09:08:04] <CaptHindsight> gas line here is mostly plastic
[09:08:28] <archivist> external was iron now mostly plastic too
[09:08:43] <CaptHindsight> then it's black pipe after the gas meter
[09:08:51] <SpeedEvil> Copper doesn't generally crack unless you're misusing it
[09:09:08] <SpeedEvil> - for example vibration, or mounting it wrong so it's stressed by thermal cycling
[09:09:17] <archivist> this house was iron out and in, the internal has a leak, so no heating since 2003
[09:09:24] <gregcnc> Capt is your gas bill unusually low this year?
[09:09:58] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: don't have a gas bill, but yeah it should be
[09:12:06] <gregcnc> OK, I know it's at record lows, but I'm getting <$30. but I think I had a bad meter for a while was replaced 2yrs ago. They also gave me a $600 credit after the new meter readings.
[09:13:45] <CaptHindsight> heh, I once had a new meter installed and the next months bill was $11K. The system didn't expect to have less use so it charged me for the meter going to full max and back around :)
[09:14:36] <CaptHindsight> direct gas connections are best :)
[09:14:54] <CaptHindsight> you can't trust those meters
[09:19:25] <gregcnc> never heard of direct connection? you have a well or they give you gas for easement?
[09:20:54] <CaptHindsight> inexperienced gas company installer
[09:22:28] <gregcnc> oops
[09:24:54] <CaptHindsight> does the term "cooker" in the UK apply to both stoves and ovens?
[09:25:14] <CaptHindsight> we also use range
[09:26:00] <archivist> range means a larger cooker
[09:26:04] <Simonious> can a cam operation be renamed in fusion 360 - so instead of saying 2D contour it says Inner Ring, etc..?
[09:26:50] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yes
[09:27:55] <PetefromTn_> I think once we are settled in our new home in Florida and things calm down some I am gonna have to try Fusion360 and see how it goes...
[09:28:13] <Simonious> PetefromTn_: it's not my favorite, but I can't find anything better for the price. :P
[09:28:59] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I am sure... I KNOW there is a lot better out there but lets face it the price is highly prohibitive
[09:30:13] <_methods> you can get inventor for the same price
[09:30:27] <_methods> i'd sink my time into that since it's more industry acceptable
[09:30:41] <PetefromTn_> CAD and CAM?
[09:30:47] <gregcnc> inventor without cam
[09:31:07] <_methods> yeah i think you can use hsmexpress though for free with inventor
[09:31:28] <_methods> but you could always just import the part from inventor to fusion for the cam part
[09:31:45] <_methods> my only real complaint about fusion is assemblies
[09:31:53] <_methods> it's very unusual
[09:32:01] <gregcnc> once you go plug in, it's hard to go back to htat
[09:32:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I really do not do much assembly work
[09:32:36] <_methods> well if you're just going to stay at simple parts then stayin in the fusion ecosystem is definitely an option
[09:33:11] <PetefromTn_> No Idea what I will STAY with but again Most of my parts are not assemblies
[09:33:36] <PetefromTn_> Did I mention I got my tig unit home again now;) I was missing the ol' girl
[09:33:47] <_methods> well you can do sheet metal and other stuff in inventor that you can not in fusion
[09:34:05] <PetefromTn_> that is actually quite useful
[09:34:07] <_methods> if you ever want to make flat patterns for sheet metal stuff
[09:34:13] <_methods> yes it is
[09:34:23] <PetefromTn_> when I do sheet metal stuff I usually do it in 2dcad
[09:34:48] <_methods> well then you have to calculate stretch out and add it manually
[09:34:53] <_methods> which is fine
[09:34:56] <_methods> just one more step
[09:35:07] <PetefromTn_> I designed some nice stainless steel covers for my RF45 and was selling them
[09:35:15] <PetefromTn_> they looked pretty damn good.
[09:35:34] <PetefromTn_> the stretch out is pretty basic I just use offsets for that
[09:35:42] <_methods> personally i find the inventor skills to be more "transferrable" than fusion
[09:35:43] <Roguish> methods: flat patterns are great for reference. I use them, but no sheetmetal shop would 'cause the bend and stretch factors are all different everywhere.
[09:35:57] <_methods> Roguish: not true
[09:36:04] <_methods> metal stretches what it stretches
[09:36:20] <_methods> what is diff is the tooling and machines used by each shop
[09:36:34] <Roguish> No shop I've dealt with trusts flats that they don't make themselves.
[09:36:39] <PetefromTn_> the shop I took my drawings to laser cut and CNC bent in a pressbrake they did not even ask about stretch
[09:36:41] <_methods> i don't blame them
[09:36:49] <_methods> i wouldn't trust a flat from a customer either
[09:36:51] <gregcnc> we had different bends in the same machine when material came form different sources.
[09:37:08] <_methods> yes the metal can be diff and cause issues also
[09:37:11] <Roguish> gregcnc: exactly.
[09:37:27] <_methods> i do sheet metal all day
[09:37:33] <Roguish> if ya trust your factors, great.
[09:37:43] <gregcnc> we were bending a lot of 3/8"
[09:37:44] <PetefromTn_> perhaps you guys are talking about much more complex geometry, simple boxes and bends it is not really an issue
[09:38:17] <_methods> there are so many factors that most shops won't trust a customer supplied flat
[09:38:30] <_methods> unless teh customer agrees to get whatever they get from the flat
[09:38:49] <gregcnc> all depends on the tolerances I suppose
[09:38:52] <_methods> i just ask the customer to supply us with finished dimensions and I develop the flat pattern
[09:39:07] <_methods> because i know our tooling and metal suppliers
[09:39:23] <_methods> i know what radii i can get and what kfactor to use for certain tooling
[09:39:24] <Roguish> sounds like you have it in hand.
[09:39:25] <gregcnc> you're supplying formed parts, not flats
[09:39:43] <_methods> exactly
[09:39:53] <Roguish> go for it !!!
[09:39:57] <_methods> now we do get some customers that want flats
[09:40:08] <_methods> usually other shops that are overburdened and don't have laser time
[09:40:11] <_methods> but they do have brake time
[09:40:17] <_methods> so we'll burn them out flats
[09:41:24] <_methods> but every once in awhile you get the crazy kid who just learned how to use solidworks sheetmetal who wants to send you flats for the actual part
[09:41:42] <Simonious> I haven't done that
[09:41:44] <Simonious> ...
[09:41:47] <Simonious> but it's something I would do
[09:41:47] <_methods> and just send me a picture of the finished part with no dimensions
[09:42:01] <_methods> hehe
[09:42:23] <PetefromTn_> Well I know who to call when I need something burned out in sheetmetal then...
[09:42:30] <_methods> yeah
[09:42:33] <PetefromTn_> The shop I used locally here went out of business
[09:42:37] <_methods> ouch
[09:42:53] <PetefromTn_> it was a shame too because they had a pretty kickass CNC laser machine. That thing was HUGE
[09:42:56] <_methods> yeah as long as it's fairly simple i can get it for you
[09:43:03] <PetefromTn_> ?
[09:43:09] <archivist> how many can still do the traditional oil can :)
[09:43:20] <_methods> ssi sent us a bunch of crazy airplane part stuff to quote and my boss didn't want to have anything to do with it
[09:43:31] <PetefromTn_> huh
[09:43:47] <_methods> i didn't think it was that bad
[09:43:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah but....Airplane
[09:43:59] <_methods> but the bossman doesn't know ssi and wasn't messin with it
[09:45:01] <_methods> looked like good work to me but i don't have a real cnc in the garage or i'd have done it myself
[09:45:10] <witnit> liability
[09:45:45] <PetefromTn_> well from my short experience with SSI I must say he is a pretty smart fellow. I am sure he probably got it right...
[09:46:00] <_methods> yea we tend to stay away from airplanes, guns, and automobile stuff
[09:46:33] <PetefromTn_> I stay away from automobile stuff that has anything to do with brakes or suspension in my own shop
[09:46:45] <PetefromTn_> never been approached with airplane stuff
[09:46:52] <_methods> car people tend to be more trouble than they are worth
[09:46:55] <PetefromTn_> ALWAYS get people wanting gun stuff
[09:47:04] <_methods> and automotive the profit margins are shit
[09:47:06] <PetefromTn_> I used to think so too
[09:47:27] <PetefromTn_> but after seeing the money people spend on tuner cars I have changed my mind about that...
[09:47:54] <_methods> yeah sounds like you found a good place there
[09:48:04] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get the CNC lathe working
[09:48:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah and now I pissed them off because I am leaving LOL
[09:48:29] <Roguish> ok, what's 'SSI' you're talking about?
[09:48:43] <_methods> ssi is a person in here
[09:48:52] <_methods> or a digital representation of a person
[09:48:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah he is in Hotlanta ;)
[09:49:20] <PetefromTn_> and he fancies himself to be the next Howard Hughes
[09:49:24] <_methods> he is a plane junkie
[09:49:25] <PetefromTn_> :D
[09:49:39] <Roguish> ok.
[09:49:53] <witnit> custom work i think is the only kind most small shops can do well with for automotive. production work is tight quotes and huge numbers
[09:50:06] <_methods> he gave me a bunch of stuff to quote for some plane parts but my boss is a pussy so he no quoted
[09:50:49] <PetefromTn_> witnit I agree man but there is a HUGE market for custom automotive work in seemingly every possible genre of cars/trucks/suv's
[09:50:52] <gregcnc> small mistakes in auto supply cost you huge money
[09:51:04] <_methods> yeah we won't do anything for automotive
[09:51:17] <_methods> we make the most money off of repair anymore
[09:51:29] <_methods> no manual machinists left
[09:51:32] <PetefromTn_> really? repair of what?
[09:51:37] <witnit> well huge yes, but its not like quoting 999,999 of the exact same part
[09:51:38] <_methods> we can basically charge whatever we want
[09:51:54] <_methods> repairing industrial stuff
[09:52:00] <_methods> large shafts
[09:52:09] <_methods> crazy machinery
[09:52:14] <ssi> I'm a digital representation of a person?
[09:52:15] <PetefromTn_> witnit yeah you are not going to approach commercial production automotive parts
[09:52:19] <ssi> that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me :D
[09:52:25] <_methods> hahah
[09:52:27] <PetefromTn_> no you are just a bullshit artist
[09:52:36] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[09:52:58] <PetefromTn_> _methods do you guys do that spray welding to repair large shafts?
[09:52:58] <ssi> SSI is also an encoder interface scheme
[09:53:01] <gregcnc> no like millions of the same $0.25 and end up buying back several trucks, months of said parts supply and begging dtroit not to cancel your contract
[09:53:05] <ssi> which makes life confusing in here sometimes :(
[09:53:05] <_methods> but we do a good portion of sheetmetal and fabrication work for DoD stuff
[09:53:13] <witnit> PetefromTn_: I guess I do sometimes but it has been very rare and only basic screw machine work 800,000 eau
[09:53:19] <_methods> yeah we spray weld up shaft repairs
[09:53:32] <PetefromTn_> that is a cool process
[09:53:51] <PetefromTn_> you must have some large lathes and horizontal boring machines then
[09:54:15] <_methods> http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2016/02/16/china-capital-flight-2-0-lose-a-lawsuit-on-purpose/
[09:54:18] <_methods> doh
[09:54:21] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7ly8cj3ax6baq/2015-12-04%2011.41.37.mp4?dl=0\
[09:54:26] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7ly8cj3ax6baq/2015-12-04%2011.41.37.mp4?dl=0
[09:54:28] <_methods> doh
[09:54:34] <witnit> could have a been worse
[09:54:35] <_methods> damn i'm failing at keyboard today
[09:54:55] <_methods> large auger repair we did
[09:55:10] <PetefromTn_> so that was tig welded to repair the driven end?
[09:55:34] <_methods> we spray welded the journals up
[09:55:45] <_methods> on both ends
[09:55:49] <_methods> then turned them back down
[09:56:11] <witnit> I had a little trouble telling from that camera angle, was the tpi on those threads?
[09:56:21] <PetefromTn_> Huh those welds look linear I thought most spray welding was done on the rotary
[09:56:37] <_methods> actuall i think they just mig'd those up
[09:56:39] <_methods> linear
[09:56:54] <_methods> but we do do the spray welding on some radially
[09:57:10] <_methods> just depends on the shaft
[09:57:29] <witnit> I should buy two heavy long beds like you got there and put a robot welder on the bed adjacent
[09:57:38] <_methods> heheh
[09:57:44] <_methods> big stuff = big money
[09:57:47] <witnit> then do rotary auger repair
[09:58:05] <PetefromTn_> I would imagine that repair was NOT cheap
[09:58:09] <witnit> would be easy here cause everything is friggin corn
[09:58:12] <witnit> and bean
[09:58:19] <_methods> nah i think we charged them like $14k or soemthing like that
[09:58:28] <_methods> and it only took a day
[09:58:31] <witnit> NO WAY
[09:58:37] <_methods> yeah
[09:58:38] <witnit> you how muched them
[09:58:44] <_methods> it was 1 day turn around
[09:58:45] <witnit> typo
[09:58:56] <_methods> they pulled it that day and wanted it back in 8 hours
[09:58:57] <PetefromTn_> 14k for one day yeah that's cheap ROLLEYES
[09:59:02] <_methods> haha
[09:59:03] <witnit> smh
[09:59:17] <_methods> people pay big money when they need something that fast
[09:59:20] <witnit> I would do that job from scratch for that
[09:59:29] <archivist> you have to have big enough machines idle for most of a year
[09:59:35] <_methods> yeah
[09:59:41] <PetefromTn_> for that job and that much cash I would buy the damn machine and build it ;)
[09:59:42] <_methods> it doesn't run everyday for sure
[09:59:57] <_methods> hahah we paid $19k for the lathe
[10:00:03] <_methods> so it almost paid for itself on that job
[10:00:16] <witnit> love when that happens
[10:00:22] <_methods> damn skippy
[10:00:28] <PetefromTn_> you can buy older large lathes like that cheap nowadays
[10:00:31] <_methods> i wish i could say the same for our plasma
[10:00:48] <witnit> i got this one machine for 3k, it banged out 30k in about in one winter
[10:00:59] <witnit> sadly job went away
[10:01:04] <_methods> yeah that sux
[10:01:08] <_methods> take it while you can get it
[10:01:11] <_methods> and be happy
[10:01:27] <witnit> 5 second cycle time for a 7 inch part
[10:01:32] <PetefromTn_> I am hoping my 14x40 will allow me to do some cool stuff even tho it is smallish
[10:01:33] <witnit> 3/8 round
[10:01:48] <_methods> that's decent for a cnc lathe
[10:01:53] <_methods> not like 14x40 is that small
[10:02:00] <witnit> spike on one end and form/shave on the back
[10:02:27] <PetefromTn_> honestly the fact that it is more of a typical lathe than a turning center for MY uses it will allow me a bit more flexibility of parts
[10:02:50] <witnit> link to machine?
[10:02:56] <witnit> or model number
[10:03:16] <_methods> probably our next machine at teh shop here will be a big VTL
[10:03:18] <PetefromTn_> even on my old chinese 12x36 I machined drive shafts, barrels, a bunch of different longer parts.
[10:03:32] <PetefromTn_> some of them were longer than the bed
[10:03:52] <_methods> yeah you can do a lot of stuff when you "have to"
[10:04:02] <_methods> git'r'dun
[10:04:13] <PetefromTn_> I even lengthened the drive shafts on my rock crawler suzuki samurai and tig welded them IN the lathe
[10:04:36] <_methods> how'd you balance them?
[10:04:44] <_methods> or did you lol
[10:05:07] <PetefromTn_> I didn't just made sure they were nice and straight and indexed properly..
[10:05:18] <PetefromTn_> no vibrations at all..
[10:05:22] <_methods> damn nice
[10:05:39] <PetefromTn_> honestly they do not really spin all that fast anyways
[10:06:21] <PetefromTn_> nevermind when you are talking about a rock crawler that seldome goes faster than 60MPH
[10:06:50] <PetefromTn_> I did actually TRY to balance them using centers in the lathe tho...
[10:07:09] <PetefromTn_> did a little grinding on the opposite side kinda thing
[10:08:13] <PetefromTn_> they worked great on my truck and my friends truck. Also did it for another guys Toyota Crawler.
[10:08:15] <Jymmm> PHUK... organizing old project files is almost as worse as getting PetefromTn_ to actually pack and get the hell out of TN
[10:08:41] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm hey kiss my ass man.... I am working on it...really ;)
[10:09:07] <PetefromTn_> I machined the cabinet door parts yesterday and got them glued up this morning
[10:09:19] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Shit, with all that ass kissing, no wonder you're not getting anything done ;)
[10:09:25] <PetefromTn_> once they dry I will square up and machine the edges
[10:09:37] <PetefromTn_> then sand them and its spray time...
[10:09:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I am a lazy azz
[10:10:01] <PetefromTn_> gotta motivate here
[10:10:21] <Jymmm> Machining? Painting? WTF?! You should be boxing, taping, and stacking!!!
[10:10:24] <PetefromTn_> gotta run to knoxvegas today
[10:10:47] <PetefromTn_> we have a bunch of work that we need to do to the house before that happens.
[10:10:55] <Jymmm> ah
[10:10:57] <PetefromTn_> My wife took spring break off for vacation
[10:11:09] <Jymmm> GIT ER DONE !!!
[10:11:12] <PetefromTn_> and yesterday she told them we are leaving
[10:11:20] <PetefromTn_> so she took the week before also
[10:11:33] <PetefromTn_> her last day is now gonna be like the 12th or something
[10:12:02] <PetefromTn_> so when she is off and the house stuff is done we will have like ten days to pack up our shit and load it into a Uhaul
[10:12:08] <PetefromTn_> should not be a problem
[10:12:17] <Jymmm> BuHAHAHAHAHAHA
[10:12:27] <PetefromTn_> I mean we don't really have that much stuff anyway ;)
[10:12:51] <PetefromTn_> most of my stuff is in the shop ;)
[10:12:55] <Jymmm> BE WARNED... A "Uhaul" reservation is *NOT* a guarntee you will get what you requested, if at all.
[10:13:06] <PetefromTn_> I have never had that problem
[10:13:12] <PetefromTn_> alway got what we wanted
[10:13:24] <PetefromTn_> now Ryder on the other hand...
[10:13:43] <PetefromTn_> we have moved a LOT in my lifetime
[10:13:48] <Jymmm> Yeah, well we got fucked... They called us less than 24 hurs before scheduled pickup and said it's not available, click.
[10:13:50] <PetefromTn_> for better or worse
[10:14:00] <PetefromTn_> no kidding?
[10:14:07] <PetefromTn_> they did not even offer to find you one?
[10:14:07] <Jymmm> No kidding.
[10:14:28] <PetefromTn_> we have like four or five different Uhaul places around here
[10:14:29] <Jymmm> Oh sure, 150 miles away that they would NOT deliver locally.
[10:14:38] <PetefromTn_> can't imagine them not having a truck
[10:14:50] <bobo__> I agree with Jymmm
[10:14:52] <PetefromTn_> no I mean like within 20 miles or so
[10:14:57] <Jymmm> So I would of had to drive 300 miles (round trip) to pick it up
[10:15:13] <PetefromTn_> bobo_ Don't EVER agree with Jymmm man....
[10:15:15] <Jymmm> 26ft truck and car hauler.
[10:15:34] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty much what we will be getting
[10:15:45] <Jymmm> 26ft trucks are RARE
[10:15:46] <PetefromTn_> their bigass truck and either a dolley or trailer
[10:16:02] <Jymmm> 26ft uhaul trucks are RARE
[10:16:27] <Jymmm> Had to go with Penske at $1100/day
[10:16:37] <_methods> http://imgur.com/gallery/MpdnS
[10:16:39] <_methods> joke for the day
[10:16:53] <PetefromTn_> we drove by the local Uhaul place yesterday they had several sitting out front
[10:17:00] <PetefromTn_> HOLY
[10:17:13] <_methods> i'm good for a couple gallons
[10:17:29] <PetefromTn_> I think Dacia got a quote for the truck and trailer of like $860 or so
[10:17:29] <t12> https://www.instagram.com/marcoterenzi/
[10:17:32] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: They did hen I stopped by too
[10:17:32] <t12> more tiny tools
[10:17:43] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: but not on the day I needed it
[10:18:09] <PetefromTn_> and you made a res in person?
[10:18:15] <_methods> wtf tiny tools
[10:18:17] <bobo__> pete think about putting as much household stuff on the mill/lathe trailer run
[10:18:27] <PetefromTn_> bobo can't
[10:18:30] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Online and had a confirmationnumber.
[10:18:38] <t12> those are pretty good tiny tools
[10:18:45] <PetefromTn_> I would have raised holy hell over that
[10:19:14] <Jymmm> Oh I did, spoke to theri regional dispatch manager, not a thing anyone was willing to do.
[10:19:34] <Jymmm> Unless I wanted to drove 300 miles to get it myself
[10:19:40] <Jymmm> drive*
[10:20:06] <PetefromTn_> that's surprising
[10:20:18] <_methods> http://www.marcoterenzi.com/scribes
[10:20:23] <_methods> so is that a tiny scribe
[10:20:24] <_methods> lol
[10:20:26] <PetefromTn_> did they offer you a discount for that??
[10:20:28] <_methods> or a full size scribe
[10:20:56] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: like $50
[10:21:22] <PetefromTn_> jeez that is BS
[10:21:26] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: and would have been me paying for the gas too
[10:21:35] <PetefromTn_> I suppose at some level you are at their mercy
[10:21:50] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Just saying, be careful is all.
[10:22:05] <PetefromTn_> Well I better get my azz moving here and do something...
[10:22:10] <PetefromTn_> later guys
[10:22:15] <Jymmm> hasta
[10:22:21] <PetefromTn_> hasta banana
[10:22:24] <PetefromTn_> :D
[10:29:47] <Simonious> I'm trying to define a new tool in Fusion360 and the OK button is greyed out, so I'm assuming something isn't right, but there doesn't seem to be any indicator what needs fixing - help?
[10:30:20] <archivist> only you can see the screen!
[10:30:56] <Simonious> That's fair.. I'm soliciting comments from someone who may have some experience with what I'm describing.. I can screen shot it though
[10:32:16] <Simonious> http://oi65.tinypic.com/28chpcj.jpg
[10:33:14] <Simonious> ahh, I see
[10:33:19] <Simonious> the shoulder length is the problem
[10:33:24] <Simonious> it is highlighted, I just didn't spot it
[10:33:51] * cradek squints
[10:34:01] <cradek> it's not you
[10:34:16] <Simonious> notice it doesn't have a BOX around it
[10:34:19] <Simonious> like the others
[10:34:25] <Simonious> that's how they 'highlighted' it.
[10:34:31] <cradek> uh
[10:38:09] <Simonious> for comparision, here it is fixed: http://s10.postimg.org/hflkagcvd/v_tool.png
[10:46:57] <tiwake> hmm, windows software
[11:49:26] <Simonious> Alright how does one rename or append a name to CAM operations in Fusion360? I want Contour1 to become Final Cut and Trace1 to become Flower path.. etc
[11:58:50] <_methods> maybe right click the op then choose rename?
[12:02:01] <Simonious> no rename option...
[12:02:19] <_methods> hm
[12:02:21] <Simonious> there really should be
[12:02:32] <_methods> no idea i never really tried to rename ops
[12:04:50] <Simonious> vote my post up guys :P http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/ideastation-request-a-feature-or/cam/idi-p/6045858
[12:05:16] <gregcnc> F2 no worky?
[12:05:28] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[12:05:52] <Simonious> F2 doesn't appear to do anything..
[12:06:45] <maxcnc> Simonious: test version or full
[12:07:08] <Simonious> uhm.. free download..?
[12:07:16] <maxcnc> what is the main work you are doing with your mashine
[12:07:44] <Simonious> maxcnc: playing :)
[12:07:50] <maxcnc> i have seen in the logs jesterday you are searching for a good CAM
[12:07:55] <Simonious> http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/ideastation-request-a-feature-or/automatically-name-stl-files-the-name-of-the-bodies-you-are/idi-p/6034586 - it sure looks like they have the feature I want.
[12:08:27] <maxcnc> differend mashines use differend cams
[12:08:34] <maxcnc> thats why i ask for
[12:08:40] <__rob> _methods: about to make that fixture,
[12:08:41] <__rob> http://snag.gy/i0cpU.jpg
[12:08:45] <__rob> any advice
[12:08:56] <maxcnc> 2D like plasma laser ... Simonious only need like sheedcam
[12:08:58] <Simonious> maxcnc: oh.. linuxCNC
[12:08:59] <__rob> was going to use the fixture edge for zeroing
[12:09:05] <Simonious> on a router table
[12:09:13] <__rob> and dowel pins in those holes
[12:09:16] <_methods> looks good
[12:09:24] <maxcnc> Simonious: 3D milling lathe uses more complicated ones
[12:09:25] <_methods> how you going to clamp the part down?
[12:09:36] <__rob> prob normal clamps
[12:09:41] <__rob> just do a bit at a time
[12:09:44] <__rob> and move them
[12:09:56] <__rob> or, possilby that middle hole I could tap
[12:09:56] <Simonious> maxcnc: I do 3D milling sometimes, but usually just 2.5D stuff
[12:09:58] <__rob> and bolt it down
[12:10:13] <maxcnc> Q all is theee a requirerment list for the new Debian linuxcnc
[12:10:21] <__rob> also, was gonna leave stock
[12:10:28] <__rob> that trench will be for the final profile
[12:10:38] <maxcnc> does a thinclient 1.66Ghz at 512MB restch that
[12:10:48] <_methods> yeah i figured that was so you could do the outer profile
[12:11:04] <__rob> its about 1mm smaller than the profile
[12:11:11] <__rob> the inner size of the trench
[12:11:26] <__rob> so yea, I will just leave stock for the important stuff, profile to 0.5 off with clamping
[12:11:27] <maxcnc> ikipedia is only on 10.04 requirerments
[12:11:36] <__rob> then bolt all parts together, and face it to size
[12:11:51] <_methods> well that should let you keep it concentric to the bores now
[12:12:12] <maxcnc> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hardware_Requirements UP to 8.04 outdated
[12:19:51] <JT-Shop-> maxcnc: anyone can edit the wiki
[12:20:41] <maxcnc> i know but you need to know what to put there
[12:45:46] <maxcnc> ok im off Gn8 close today early
[14:00:32] <ssi> well, the official resolution is I got screwed and there's nothing I can do about it
[14:00:35] <ssi> so that's awesome
[14:00:54] <gregcnc> credit co won't help?
[14:01:03] <ssi> yeah I'm doing a chargeback through the bank
[14:01:10] <ssi> and that's fine, except I'm charging back a paypal ACH
[14:01:16] <ssi> and paypal is likely to just reach back in and take it again
[14:01:55] <SpeedEvil> Charging back paypal chargebacks is a way to get your account killed
[14:02:18] <gregcnc> the agreement with paypal is specific about those things these days
[14:03:04] <ssi> I have no other recourse
[14:03:14] <ssi> ebay has this supposed "buyer protection money back guarantee"
[14:03:16] <ssi> that they won't honor
[14:03:22] <ssi> fedex has admitted they lost the package
[14:03:25] <Jymmm> FIle a dispute with PP?
[14:03:26] <ssi> but the tracking page still shows delivered
[14:03:33] <ssi> and that's the only thing that ebay will consider in their resolution
[14:03:33] <SpeedEvil> Sue fedex
[14:03:35] <Ralith> paypal is notoriously biased in favor of buyers
[14:03:42] <ssi> Ralith: not in this case apparently
[14:03:46] <Ralith> it is basically impossible for a seller to win a dispute
[14:03:52] <ssi> they won my dispute
[14:03:56] <Ralith> huh.
[14:04:02] <ssi> only thing ebay will tell me is "contact the seller"
[14:04:08] <ssi> who is in malaysia
[14:04:09] <ssi> awesome
[14:04:11] <Ralith> ebay and paypal are not precisely the same thing
[14:04:54] <Jymmm> They are officially not the same thing
[14:05:32] <SpeedEvil> they drew a line down the middle of the office and everything
[14:05:38] <SpeedEvil> and bought _two_ hole-punchs
[14:05:45] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil++
[14:05:52] <_methods> hahah
[14:06:15] <_methods> wow they normally side very much with the buyer
[14:06:20] <FinboySlick> I wonder if Tesla cars will become as hostile to their users as Paypal...
[14:06:58] <SpeedEvil> _methods: yeah - well if UPS is actively lying, then they are probably doing the right thing
[14:07:01] <_methods> so what is that seller's feeback like?
[14:07:03] <FinboySlick> Lock you out if you didn't go to the proper dealer for maintenance.
[14:07:19] <_methods> most of those sellers will bend over backwards to keep good feedback
[14:07:25] <gregcnc> I saw a headline that Musk cnacelled an order becuase the guy made a negative comment about Tesla online?
[14:07:32] <neckro23> FinboySlick: don't be silly, that would require some advanced hostility engineering
[14:07:36] <SpeedEvil> ssi: what was this?
[14:08:20] <ssi> _methods: 66k+
[14:08:28] <ssi> I left negative feedback but it'll do me no good
[14:08:36] <ssi> SpeedEvil: just a stupid 3d printer kit
[14:08:39] <_methods> a shipment of asian ladyboy sex slaves
[14:08:42] <ssi> totally not worth the hassle this has caused me
[14:08:47] <SpeedEvil> ssi: :(
[14:08:49] <FinboySlick> gregcnc: Yeah, though the guy has a pretty good history of being a nasty customer.
[14:09:02] <ssi> I'm going to lose the rights to ever use paypal again because they decided to not listen to me
[14:09:18] <_methods> i'd avoid that
[14:09:24] <ssi> too late now
[14:09:25] <_methods> i have a buddy that got banned from paypal
[14:09:37] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if you have a case to sue ups
[14:09:40] <_methods> he's generally very unhappy about his situation
[14:09:41] <ssi> fedex
[14:09:43] <SpeedEvil> clearly you were not the customer
[14:09:44] <ssi> and yes I probably can
[14:10:00] <ssi> I can sue fedex because they investigated and determined that they lost the package
[14:10:04] <SpeedEvil> But, they must have some duty to take minimal care
[14:10:07] <ssi> but their tracking page still shows that it was delivered successfully
[14:10:18] <ssi> and ebay is using that and that alone as the sole reason that they sided with the seller
[14:10:52] <_methods> wow what a cluster
[14:10:55] <ssi> yeah it's horrible
[14:11:02] <gregcnc> but the shipper won't file a claim?
[14:11:02] <ssi> this has been the biggest nightmare over the stupidest shit
[14:11:09] <_methods> just more evidence to stay away from 3d printer people
[14:11:09] <ssi> gregcnc: no, the shipper is in malaysia apparently
[14:11:15] <gregcnc> so
[14:11:16] <ssi> even though the auction clearly said "ships from US"
[14:11:35] <ssi> here lemme walk you through the resolution center messages
[14:11:36] <gregcnc> they don't care which sucks
[14:11:49] <ssi> if our internet will work, it's screwed today
[14:11:59] <gregcnc> you posted on e before
[14:12:10] <_methods> put it on twitter apparently people think that is important
[14:12:13] <ssi> yeah every message from them was "fedex shows it delivired"
[14:12:20] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it's all completely understandable if fedex is lying to ebay
[14:12:22] <ssi> _methods: hey that's a good idea
[14:12:23] <_methods> if you put it on twitter the head of ebay will come give you a hot stone massage
[14:12:30] <ssi> SpeedEvil: fedex isn't lying to ebay
[14:12:36] <ssi> ebay refuses to call fedex
[14:12:40] <ssi> the only thing they'll do is look at the tracking page
[14:12:43] <SpeedEvil> ssi: on the tracking page
[14:13:23] <ssi> should I call the bank and stop the chargeback?
[14:13:39] <_methods> i would you don't want to anger the paypal gods
[14:13:43] <ssi> ugh
[14:13:46] <ssi> what a pain in the ass
[14:13:52] <_methods> yeah their reach is far
[14:13:56] <neckro23> if it's ACH it's not technically a chargeback
[14:14:11] <_methods> my buddy has tried to set up alternate paypal accounts many ways
[14:14:19] <_methods> and they track him down and cut him off every time
[14:14:22] <ssi> fuck
[14:14:29] <ssi> good reason to not use paypal
[14:14:36] <_methods> yeah they're ruthless
[14:14:48] <_methods> he's been cut off since the early days of paypal too
[14:14:56] <_methods> he's stuck using amazon
[14:15:18] <_methods> apparently is difficult to use ebay without paypal or something
[14:15:39] <_methods> he has to get me to buy stuff for him on ebay when he can't find it on amazon
[14:16:03] <Sync> yeah, I gotta ream some seller too, he won't file a claim with ebay, even though the stuff got damaged
[14:16:20] <Sync> yes, it is difficult
[14:16:44] <_methods> to use ebay without paypal?\
[14:17:21] <_methods> i've never tried so i have no idea but i can't imagine he would be getting me to buy him stuff if it wasn't a real PITA
[14:17:50] <anomynous> pita kebabs are tasty
[14:17:56] <_methods> gross
[14:18:09] <Jymmm> what _methods said
[14:18:29] <anomynous> http://turkinpippuri.fi/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/308x308/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/k/e/kebab_i_pita.jpg
[14:18:43] <SpeedEvil> _methods: Sellers have to (or did, I don't know if it's changed) accept paypal. They can accept other means of payment.
[14:18:46] <SpeedEvil> But many don't.
[14:18:53] <Jymmm> oh, I thought he said TOFU (smacks _methods)
[14:19:08] <anomynous> ;D
[14:19:56] <_methods> meh i have no idea i just don't want to be in the world of people without paypal
[14:20:09] <_methods> at least until there is a suitable competitor
[14:20:46] <anomynous> you could set up a company called Pay Buddy.
[14:20:47] <_methods> and then i will gladly tell paypal to try some of my tasty PITA kebabs
[14:21:06] <Jymmm> _methods: You'r a PITA!
[14:21:11] <_methods> hahaha
[16:12:26] <CaptHindsight> Guitar Center has 3 pin XLR sockets and plugs for ~$4ea
[16:12:46] <gregcnc> any ideas for 14 conductor encoder cable?
[16:12:49] <CaptHindsight> metal body
[16:12:52] <PetefromTn_> hehe I used those for my motors on the RF45
[16:17:38] <aventtini6> helloo guys
[16:24:55] <skunkworks> 14 conductor?
[16:25:22] <skunkworks> why so many conductors?
[16:27:16] * skunkworks uses stranded/shielded network cable..
[16:28:35] <skunkworks> but that is only 8 (differential a,/a,b,/b,z,/z,+,-)
[16:31:25] <CaptHindsight> earth ground, chassis ground, power ground, ground loop :)
[16:35:05] <gregcnc> sorry, differential and commutation
[16:40:33] <MrSunshine> hmm, so ive run latency test ... get about 4000 max jitter whatever i do .. what is the BASE_PERIOD supposed to be set at ?
[16:40:44] <MrSunshine> im getting realtime delays etc
[16:40:52] <MrSunshine> in linuxcnc when i run it
[16:45:24] <skunkworks> gregcnc: Ah..
[16:53:17] <Deejay> gn8
[16:55:18] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: try 10uS or higher
[16:56:05] <MrSunshine> tried 10000, tried 15000 .. both gives me an unexpected realtime latency .. but the test says i do not get spikes
[16:56:10] <CaptHindsight> 25uS is probably faster than you'll ever go be high enough to not get real time errors
[16:56:14] <MrSunshine> wish i could run latency test while linuxcnc is running
[16:57:04] <CaptHindsight> the latency test is not a true test of the absolute latency of the system when running
[16:57:16] <CaptHindsight> more of a ballpark test
[17:10:00] <skunkworks> how fast steps do you need? that should be how you determine the base thread
[17:14:14] <Crom> darn it, just got another wrong mt2-jt2 arbor... with 3/8-16 pull stud thread... anyone need one?
[17:14:57] <Crom> Just ordered a mt2-jt2 tanged arbor for my tailstock/drill press
[17:15:01] <MrSunshine> skunksleep: well now i have 16 microsteps, 3200steps/mm (trying to get the machine to run a bit smoother) and i want 7200mm/min =)
[17:15:22] <Crom> MrSunshine, how many volts on stepper?
[17:15:26] <MrSunshine> 40
[17:15:37] <Crom> nice
[17:17:50] <Crom> upgrading my 6560's to 6600 stepper going from 24v to 40v ish myself
[17:18:03] <MrSunshine> but the frekkin screws are a bit bent and start to vibrate badly :(
[17:18:07] <MrSunshine> stupid china stuff
[17:18:35] <PetefromTn_> http://video-monitoring.com/beachcams/jensen/ :D
[17:18:42] <Crom> MrSunshine, check out keith fenners channel on straightening shafts and straighten your screws
[17:19:20] <MrSunshine> Crom: i could straighten it if i had something to straighten with :P
[17:19:29] <MrSunshine> no, not heat in this case
[17:19:34] <MrSunshine> as its ball screws
[17:19:50] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: you want to run at 7200mm/minute with 3200 steps per mm? or faster?
[17:20:07] <Crom> so use 2 4x4's, straps and a car jack
[17:20:30] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: thats max to still be able to have some torque from my motors
[17:20:57] <Crom> it's not that hard to cobble together a press
[17:24:08] <CaptHindsight> 7200 x 3200 = 23,040,000 micro steps per minute, /60= 384,000 (per second) 1/ 384,000 = ~2.6uS
[17:24:36] <CaptHindsight> too fast for what youd like
[17:25:33] <MrSunshine> at a base of 10000 linuxcnc allows me to do it? =)
[17:25:40] <CaptHindsight> you'll need an FPGA for 1.3uS
[17:26:12] <CaptHindsight> either your info is wrong or my math is
[17:26:13] <MrSunshine> no wait
[17:26:22] <MrSunshine> hmm 3200 microsteps/10mm it has to be :P
[17:26:30] <MrSunshine> as 3200 is one turn of the motor =)
[17:26:56] <MrSunshine> that would make 26uS then i guess? =)
[17:27:11] <CaptHindsight> and whats the screw pitch per turn?
[17:27:15] <MrSunshine> 10mm
[17:27:29] <CaptHindsight> 13uS
[17:27:52] <CaptHindsight> still a but too fast for software stepping
[17:27:59] <CaptHindsight> but/bit
[17:30:35] <MrSunshine> i get it to be 26uS
[17:30:39] <MrSunshine> how did you end up with 13 ?
[17:35:29] <Erant> Because one step is an up and a down.
[17:35:40] <Erant> set_pin(hi); <wait> set_pin(lo);
[17:35:59] <Erant> Where <wait> is one period of a thread.
[17:37:22] <MrSunshine> mmhmm =)
[17:37:41] <Erant> Bottom line, I ended up going with a Mesa because I have to run my servos pretty fast (2048 line encoder, so 8192 'steps' per rev, pitch is 0.05", so 8192 * 20 = 163840 steps per inch.)
[17:39:06] <Erant> My thing can do like 100IPM, so 163840 * 100 / 60 = 273kHz. 1 / 273kHz = 3.6us or 1.8us servo thread.
[17:43:43] <CaptHindsight> Mesa FPGA's tend to have 50Mhz clocks, so maybe 40nS minimum per step
[17:45:20] <CaptHindsight> but IIRC it's closer to 500nS
[17:48:34] <Erant> CaptHindsight: 50MHz crystals? Or is the PLL set to 50MHz.
[17:49:12] <MrSunshine> gonna buy mesa when i can afford it =)
[18:00:00] <PCW> The PCI bus cards typically use the PCI clock so 33 MHz (30 ns resolution) base clock
[18:00:02] <PCW> The Ethernet and newer EPP cards use 100 MHz for Clocklow so 10 ns resolution
[18:02:18] <bobo__> PetefromTn_:may 10,000 sand fleas inhabit your mill
[18:02:41] <PCW> various sign and other issues limit you to about 1/4 of Clocklow as the maximum step rate so 8.33 or 25 MHz max
[18:04:49] <PCW> you are also limited to ~32768 steps maximum per servo period
[18:05:57] <PCW> or you could mis-interpret the step count overflow
[18:06:52] <PCW> but not many things need 32 MHz step rates
[18:07:05] <Erant> My drives are limited to 2MHz
[18:49:19] <JT-Shop> 32768, my favorite AB PLC number
[20:05:24] * Tom_itx wonders if JT-Shop got his bitfile built
[20:25:04] <yasnak> Man, I think I've completely lost my mind. Trying to do a simple taper on a wire EDM. Not an EDM guy, but sounds simple...yet fanuc's methods make no senseeee
[20:25:46] <yasnak> Instead of doing a simple 12 degree taper the thing tries to make a 4-axis taper with paths coming from god knows where. I wonder if the control needs read-ahead shut off...
[20:43:17] <toastydeath> yasnak, how's it being programmed
[20:43:32] <toastydeath> i mean fundamentally a wire EDM is exactly that and they're not often programmed by hand
[21:37:16] <yasnak> here...
[21:42:09] <yasnak> crap, I'll a PM in the morning with it. It has this code M15 P1, turning standard taper on. Okay cool, so then I lead on, call the taper comp out at M51/m52 and feed calling a T12.0 (angle). Then next line is the move, so g1 y-0.1, should clear the face of the part. next I lead off while calling the taper comp off m50. Simple and basic. Except the machine does nothing of that sort and runs two different profiles for the top and bottom of the angle.
[21:54:39] <PetefromTn_> Well I managed to plastic weld my welding helmet's broken headband strap. seems to be holding okay...
[21:55:12] <roycroft> that is totally the wrong approach
[21:55:19] <roycroft> duct tape is the american solution!
[21:55:23] <Tom_itx> been coding and drawing cad files most of the day
[21:55:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah I don't fancy duct tape on something I will wear on my face LOL
[21:57:32] <PetefromTn_> I was pretty used to that Snapon helmet and it is definitely a better one but this kobalt helmet is actually pretty decent. I did some practice tig welding earlier when I finished the repair.
[22:02:13] <Jymmm> Running around saying "I am your father Luke" while wearing a helmet is NOT practicing... mkay!
[22:02:44] <PetefromTn_> no but sticking together some stainless fittings is Mkay?
[22:02:59] <Jymmm> ABSOLUTELY =)
[22:04:28] <PetefromTn_> Got some good news today
[22:04:57] <PetefromTn_> my wife was offered a good job from the same people she used to work for down in Florida...
[22:05:49] <Jymmm> phuk *sigh*... got my replacement trackball in today. ball rolls like water on glass like it used to, but now the buttons on one side "triple click"; first click is like the plastic scraping, then the microswitch. ANNOYING AS HELL!!! Took apart three times already, no swarf residue, it's all the mechanical fit (or lack there of) out of the mold injection machine =(
[22:06:00] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: ah very cool =)
[22:06:15] <PetefromTn_> that sucks
[22:06:23] <PetefromTn_> is it an expensive one?
[22:06:43] <Jymmm> Kinda.... Kensington slimblade
[22:07:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah she is even apparently getting a raise LOL
[22:07:31] <Jymmm> Her predicessor musta mucked up
[22:07:36] <PetefromTn_> I found several places down there that build custom cars and boats so I am going to start contacting them to see if they need any help...
[22:10:43] <PetefromTn_> I tell ya moving across state lines with a bunch of equipment is pretty stressful..
[22:11:12] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: That's good news! Did I read earlier that you found a place for your machines too?
[22:11:52] <PetefromTn_> well I have a place to store them yes but the guy wants a bit more than I think is fair for it.
[22:12:22] <malcom2073> doh
[22:13:13] <PetefromTn_> its a bit daunting all that I need to do here but we are chipping away at it.
[22:22:40] <bobo__> Pete just wondering what is the storage place wanting in $/Sq Ft ?
[22:23:04] <PetefromTn_> its not based on size.
[22:23:53] <PetefromTn_> the guy has a large warehouse where he stores cars motorcycles and boats and he wants like 250 a month. that seems kinda excessive for a space that is essentially 10x10
[22:23:57] <Jymmm> That's NOT what she said
[22:24:36] <Jymmm> So $25/sf
[22:25:11] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: So just store it all in free swamp land.... "What could go wrong?"
[22:25:50] <malcom2073> Pete in 2 months: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cGbtUqMLWTo/hqdefault.jpg
[22:25:58] <PetefromTn_> Dacia called a couple storage places today and they have similar sized units for like 150 or 175 but there is a question about accessibility
[22:26:11] <PetefromTn_> gee thanks
[22:26:17] <Jymmm> malcom2073: That's not right man...
[22:26:25] <Jymmm> malcom2073: (96 hurs... tops)
[22:26:32] <Jymmm> hours*
[22:28:14] <Jymmm> and the glob in front of him is this damn trackball
[22:29:01] <PetefromTn_> with my luck that is about where our house will be down there.
[22:29:59] <bobo__> malcom2073 looks like someone had some bad cheese cake
[22:31:06] <PetefromTn_> naah just some bad news is all. but I would rather not get into it here.
[22:32:06] <malcom2073> heh
[22:32:11] <Jymmm> the mud pic is bad news?
[22:33:26] <PetefromTn_> I wish that was the bad news heh
[22:34:04] <PetefromTn_> well take it easy folks. Gn8
[22:34:10] <bobo__> Oh come on Pete . We are your support group . lay your burden on us
[22:34:15] <Jymmm> Unless it involves skimpy bikini clad females, mud is usually not a good thing
[22:34:38] <PetefromTn_> naah I appreciate it but I honestly talk too much around here as it is ;)
[22:36:06] <Jymmm> Think he's just getting overwhelmed by it all?
[22:36:51] <Jymmm> moving can just be so daunting
[22:38:31] <bobo__> hope he didn't get a call from the moving truck people
[22:38:48] <Jymmm> oh gawd, that would suck
[22:39:09] <bobo__> U-haul people
[22:39:33] <Jymmm> I just hope that I didn't jinx him on that
[22:39:52] <bobo__> you didn't
[22:42:36] <Jymmm> bobo__: Pete will be the judge of that! lol
[22:42:47] <bobo__> Jymmm got enough fire wood to last this season ? going to think about some coal for emergency
[22:43:51] <bobo__> Pete may be the judge but we are the hanging jury
[22:45:54] <bobo__> Jymmm so relax and back to knot tying practice