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[02:23:06] <Deejay> moin
[02:49:10] <witnit> mojn!
[02:56:27] <Deejay> hi witnit :)
[02:58:16] <witnit> Working on any projects lately?
[05:11:49] <archivist> EF392
[05:14:58] <Sync> thermoplastic constant pressure pilot hose?
[05:22:20] <archivist> nah one of my barcodes :)
[05:24:00] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=EF392
[05:26:43] <Sync> zeeshan: doesn't look too shitty
[05:38:55] <aventtini> hello guys
[05:39:10] <aventtini> about the servo setup on the 2.7
[05:39:30] <aventtini> i can confirm there is a bug on the setup
[05:39:35] <aventtini> or some sort
[05:39:47] <aventtini> i will uplode the video whit 2.6
[05:39:55] <aventtini> same pins same settings
[05:40:05] <aventtini> and it works like a charm
[05:40:42] <aventtini> i did revers the AA5BB channels on the 2.7
[05:40:50] <aventtini> same result imposible to tune
[05:53:50] <witnit> aventtini: please do I am curious now!
[05:54:00] <aventtini> one sec
[05:54:21] <witnit> also upload those conf files
[05:57:31] <aventtini> same cables same setup
[05:57:49] <aventtini> encoder xyza
[05:58:00] <aventtini> sw 0123
[05:58:11] <aventtini> and machine on
[06:02:32] <aventtini> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWJc8pEayWs
[06:02:35] <aventtini> done
[06:04:43] <archivist> a shaky video with no time to read anything is not helping
[06:04:45] <aventtini> no change what so ever on the cables
[06:05:33] <aventtini> sorry iphone is not so smart on the camera
[06:05:37] <aventtini> :)
[06:06:08] <aventtini> its a minimal setup done on the pnconf
[06:06:24] <aventtini> 4 encoders 4 SW and spindle
[06:06:28] <aventtini> pid 1
[06:06:29] <archivist> use the config off 2.6
[06:06:36] <aventtini> dot work
[06:06:39] <aventtini> dont work
[06:06:57] <aventtini> same problem
[06:07:27] <archivist> please your single line statements do not help people to help you
[06:08:18] <aventtini> you need the config files
[06:08:20] <aventtini> right
[06:08:27] <aventtini> i will get them tomorow
[06:08:58] <aventtini> its any way i can get the traj to 2.6?
[06:09:48] <aventtini> i can not make any mistake on the electronics
[06:09:51] <witnit> aventtini: did you do a new pncconf or did you copy your old WORKING configs manually?
[06:09:59] <aventtini> new
[06:10:07] <aventtini> new install new HDD
[06:10:29] <aventtini> i did not copy a single line or put someting in the ini
[06:10:38] <archivist> he did not copy the configs hence the problem
[06:10:51] <witnit> I highly suspect your new .hal and .ini is differing from what you had working in 2.6
[06:11:15] <aventtini> the only dif i so the 2.7 on FFerror was showing 0.0005 and i was thinking on inch
[06:11:20] <archivist> he has been told to use a diff program to find out what
[06:11:22] <aventtini> but setup is in mm
[06:12:18] <witnit> why havent you copied your 2.6 configs exactly?
[06:12:22] <aventtini> i will get the hal and ini from a working machine
[06:12:34] <aventtini> i was testing as new instal
[06:12:39] <aventtini> to see if it works
[06:12:46] <aventtini> if a new instal on 2.6 works
[06:12:50] <aventtini> also a 2.7
[06:12:53] <aventtini> must work
[06:12:55] <aventtini> right
[06:12:58] <aventtini> same pins
[06:13:08] <aventtini> only 1 out machine on
[06:13:17] <aventtini> so no technical diff
[06:13:37] <archivist> we cannot know if any statement you say is right
[06:13:53] <aventtini> sure u are right
[06:14:24] <archivist> we dont know what you entered into pnconf
[06:14:41] <aventtini> on sec let me uplode
[06:18:36] <aventtini> i remaber i had pics
[06:18:38] <aventtini> :D
[06:19:40] <aventtini> http://imgur.com/a/UMeRA
[06:19:43] <aventtini> done
[06:20:30] <archivist> what are the values from 2.6
[06:20:46] <archivist> compare your hal and ini files
[06:22:05] <witnit> sorry aventtini but pictures are much less useful than .hal/.ini
[06:22:06] <aventtini> only diff is P is 50 FF1 is 1 and fferror min is 0.0005 amd max is 0.0500
[06:22:39] <aventtini> i did made same settings as on the pics to 2.6
[06:23:05] <aventtini> 2.6 has P=1 and ff1 is 0
[06:23:14] <archivist> and in the line above you said they are different, make your mind up
[06:23:30] <aventtini> on the 2.7
[06:23:57] <archivist> we are comparing 2.6 to 2.7
[06:24:00] <aventtini> 2.7 P=50 FF1=1
[06:24:02] <aventtini> yes
[06:24:28] <archivist> so set the 2.6 values
[06:24:40] <aventtini> no differance
[06:24:46] <aventtini> same result
[06:24:59] <aventtini> maybe its from mesa firmware
[06:25:13] <witnit> aventtini: you actually tried using the old config file?
[06:25:14] <archivist> same result tells us absolutely nothing, same as what
[06:25:37] <aventtini> it dont want move
[06:25:42] <aventtini> i give 1 mm
[06:25:53] <aventtini> it go 30mm 20mm
[06:26:08] <aventtini> it drifts it runs away
[06:26:27] <aventtini> its not a one way behaivior
[06:26:41] <aventtini> for example machine is se up on 3000mm/m
[06:26:57] <aventtini> i i give it 5mm to move
[06:27:10] <aventtini> it moves or slow or on a lag
[06:27:20] <aventtini> but encoders direction is check
[06:27:35] <aventtini> as i so on the video last night
[06:28:06] <aventtini> aaa another thing that i have seen also on the 2.7
[06:28:17] <aventtini> on the acceleration it has 750
[06:28:33] <aventtini> whats the 750 ? mm per minute
[06:29:05] <aventtini> and max speed is set to 25
[06:29:14] <aventtini> usualy this is mm/s
[06:29:24] <jthornton> I have two machines running 2.7 with no issues what so ever so I suggest it is either a hardware problem (most likely) or a configuration problem
[06:29:44] <aventtini> i have 3 machine that dont work whit 2.7
[06:29:44] <archivist> three machines ?
[06:29:57] <archivist> I vote cinfig
[06:30:03] <archivist> config
[06:30:07] <witnit> I have a couple running 2.7 as well
[06:30:15] <jthornton> yes that points to configuration problems then
[06:30:29] <witnit> I second your vote on the configs
[06:30:39] <jthornton> maybe cinfig too
[06:30:45] <aventtini> i think maybe config is in mm?
[06:30:48] <aventtini> mm/s
[06:30:53] <aventtini> or mm/m?
[06:31:16] <aventtini> olso on the ferror min is 0.0005
[06:31:30] <aventtini> so why it has 4 after the .
[06:31:37] <aventtini> its in inch ?
[06:31:42] <aventtini> machine is set in mm
[06:32:09] <aventtini> the nasty part is that we have 3 machine identical
[06:32:18] <aventtini> mikron wf21 wf51 wf72
[06:32:30] <aventtini> same motors diffrent neutons
[06:32:45] <jthornton> the same but different
[06:32:54] <aventtini> a little
[06:32:59] <aventtini> on the HP
[06:33:25] <witnit> Im still convinced that hitting the + jog button and seeing the machine go to -20mm is probably something you should solve before jumping to any conclusions.
[06:33:44] <aventtini> i did solve that in the morning
[06:34:32] <aventtini> you ware right
[06:34:35] <aventtini> on taht one
[06:34:38] <aventtini> that one
[06:35:39] <witnit> What did you do to correct it?
[06:35:51] <aventtini> the encoder diection
[06:35:55] <aventtini> direction
[06:36:13] <aventtini> i dont know on this video
[06:36:22] <aventtini> that i have posted but i have change that
[06:37:54] <aventtini> machines has a drive belt and the motor is rotated in diffrent direction
[06:37:58] <aventtini> on the table
[06:38:41] <archivist> I cannot see a logical thought process to diagnose problems
[06:39:04] <aventtini> on the 2.6 it dos not give any folow errors
[06:39:11] <archivist> use 2.6
[06:39:14] <aventtini> and its se up on 1 mm
[06:39:20] <aventtini> yes i will use it but
[06:39:28] <aventtini> problem is the arc blending
[06:39:46] <witnit> which axis is this?
[06:39:53] <aventtini> XY
[06:40:12] <witnit> both are broken?
[06:40:12] <aventtini> only Z is giving because i did not tune the acceleration
[06:40:41] <aventtini> no they work good XY
[06:40:49] <aventtini> whit no tuning done
[06:41:32] <aventtini> olso on the 2.7 i did put the P to 10000 and did not get any oscialtions on the motor
[06:41:42] <witnit> you said "it doesnt want to move" which axis is not moving?
[06:42:27] <aventtini> on 2.7 all of them
[06:42:51] <aventtini> on 2.6 all of them work perfect
[06:42:56] <witnit> according to your pictures of pncconf your max output = 0
[06:43:02] <aventtini> ye
[06:43:03] <aventtini> yes
[06:43:10] <aventtini> and i did put 10
[06:43:18] <aventtini> as the 2.6
[06:43:20] <aventtini> no diff
[06:43:27] <aventtini> same resault
[06:43:48] <archivist> I think you are not being methodical
[06:44:17] <aventtini> maybe
[06:44:27] <aventtini> i dont know i tryied all the ways
[06:44:41] <archivist> I dont think you have tried all ways
[06:44:57] <aventtini> maybe when PNconf is done whit 0 on the max out
[06:45:11] <archivist> using the old 2.6 config is step one
[06:45:24] <witnit> aventtini: when you copied 2.6 config to your 2.7 machine what happened?
[06:45:26] <aventtini> and you put on calibration or manualy it dont want to read
[06:45:28] <aventtini> that
[06:47:32] <aventtini> no impruvment same result
[06:47:42] <aventtini> let me do like tis
[06:47:44] <aventtini> this
[06:47:50] <aventtini> i tune the machine on 2.6
[06:47:57] <aventtini> then
[06:48:06] <aventtini> make a fresh instal on the 2.7
[06:48:14] <aventtini> whit same settings
[06:48:27] <aventtini> and i will post some pics
[06:48:34] <aventtini> on the setups and file
[06:48:56] <archivist> we dont want pics
[06:49:18] <archivist> fresh install wont help much at all
[06:49:19] <witnit> why not just bring us the config files like every other person does ever instead pictures which nobody ever does?
[06:49:38] <aventtini> i forget to get the usb drive :*(
[06:49:43] <aventtini> im at home
[06:49:48] <aventtini> files are not a problem
[06:52:01] <aventtini> i suspect machine is in inch
[06:52:44] <aventtini> did some instal a metric machine
[06:52:45] <aventtini> ?
[06:53:05] <aventtini> imposbile to have a default 0.0005
[06:53:12] <aventtini> on the min-fferror
[06:53:53] <aventtini> it has 1 as default on a metric machine
[06:54:44] <witnit> i just dont see how any of this is possible when you copied your ini and hal file over like you said, since such variable cannot change with copy/paste
[06:56:26] <aventtini> also on the maximum aceleration when you onpen the ini is 750mm/s
[06:56:32] <aventtini> this is incorect
[07:03:37] <aventtini> ok lets close the problem on monday i caome whit the files
[07:03:43] <aventtini> :D
[07:20:02] <jthornton> anyone using a mSATA SSD with LinuxCNC?
[08:48:41] <skunkworks> msata?
[08:49:43] <skunkworks> oh - I have some msata 32gb drives but have not found a motherboard that support it. (they usually only allow for a msata wireless card)
[08:58:42] <jthornton> yea, the only mb's I could find were a bit pricey
[08:58:58] <_methods> why you want to use msata?
[08:59:34] <skunkworks> compact...
[08:59:39] <jthornton> I was just nosing around on newegg and saw them
[09:00:45] <_methods> you need to select a mobo or msata card very carefully if you want full speed
[09:00:55] <_methods> some of them don't offer full speed
[09:01:14] <jthornton> I've given up on that idea rather quick :)
[09:01:29] <_methods> yeah it's a rather convoluted thing right now
[09:02:23] <skunkworks> it just seems like a neat idea until you try to impliment it.
[09:02:56] <_methods> well they are neat you just have to be careful selecting the drive and the bus
[09:03:15] <_methods> but only if you're worried about maximum throughput
[09:03:30] <_methods> i mean if you don't care about the speed pretty much any card and drive should work
[09:05:06] <_methods> wow looks like they went full retard on i-78 in pennsylvania lol
[09:05:50] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 is the replacement for mSATA, mSATA is soon to be a dead end
[09:06:17] <_methods> well i'm including m.2 in this when i talk about "msata"
[09:06:24] <_methods> they're often used interchangeably
[09:08:05] <CaptHindsight> so you're the one!
[09:08:08] <wicki> hi * - any hints, where to find an gcode-generator for using an tangetial knife with emc2 ?
[09:08:16] <_methods> haha yeah i'm part of the problem
[09:08:48] <_methods> wicki: i would just use a plasma post processor
[09:09:01] <_methods> change torch on with knife down
[09:09:06] <_methods> torch off with knife up
[09:09:42] <_methods> dxftogcode
[09:09:45] <_methods> or whatever
[09:10:06] <CaptHindsight> or just swap a plasma cutter for the knife and watch that vinyl melt like buddah
[09:10:11] <_methods> hahah
[09:10:18] <_methods> and your machine catch on fire
[09:10:33] <CaptHindsight> be sure to put it up on youtube
[09:10:40] <_methods> ^^
[09:11:07] <wicki> hmmm... but this code does not turn the knife into the cutting-direction ?
[09:11:21] <CaptHindsight> there should be a channel for fun swaps like that
[09:11:35] <_methods> oh it's not a drag knife
[09:12:19] <_methods> i don't know of any post processors for an "axis" controlled knife
[09:12:20] <wicki> no - I want to turn the knife by a stepper-motor
[09:12:59] <_methods> yeah that's something you'll have to write yourself or get lucky finding someone that has done something similar
[09:13:45] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU_rFrEpGe0 Vinyl cutting on cnc plasma table
[09:13:55] <_methods> it would just be a matter of making the knife the A axis
[09:14:14] <CaptHindsight> unfortunately it looks like the plasma cutter was replaced by a knife
[09:14:19] <_methods> but getting a post process that kicks out a angle for the knife might be a bit more complicated
[09:15:18] <_methods> or i guess technically the knife would be the C axis
[09:16:01] <wicki> methods: thats the reason I asking... ;-)
[09:18:21] <_methods> well it looks like artcam does it
[09:19:41] <_methods> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc-formerly-emc2-/107670-cnc-forum.html
[09:19:43] <Sync> _methods: just define a direction to go and then just look at the vector of the line?
[09:19:58] <_methods> yeah that would be the way to do it
[09:20:06] <_methods> looks like other people have done this with linuxcnc
[09:20:46] <_methods> yeah that guy in that thread is just using autocad and a lisp plugin
[09:20:50] <_methods> to genereate his gcode
[09:21:07] <archivist> I suppose you must lift and drop back in for square corners
[09:21:25] <_methods> hell there is a inkscape plugin
[09:21:27] <_methods> there ya go
[09:21:57] <_methods> looks like the inkscape plugin is at cnc-club.ru
[09:22:02] <wicki> "I saw INKSCAPE have a plugin with a tangent knife g-code generated for A axis."
[09:22:30] <_methods> https://github.com/utlco/tcnc
[09:22:35] <_methods> there ya go
[09:23:17] <_methods> no go make me something on your tangential knife and take pictures heheh
[09:23:24] <_methods> s/no/now
[09:24:31] <archivist> the pics or it didnt happen is a long lasting irc meme
[09:24:53] <_methods> hehe
[09:25:05] <archivist> proof from 2009
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchv4page=1&searchstr=adjustable+2009
[09:25:35] <_methods> that's my fee for googling stuff for you that you can find yourself in 5 minutes
[09:26:17] <archivist> I should be rich from all my googling!
[09:29:47] <wicki> thx... I found several tangetial-knife-hints before - but I think, it would be better to ask the masters of linuxcnc themself.... right here....
[09:35:33] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
[09:36:01] <maxcnc> wicki: how thick is the cutting pice
[09:36:20] <maxcnc> a standard plotter cutter makes only .2mm
[09:37:05] <maxcnc> wicki: there are posts that make a Cturn of the cutter on etch move
[09:38:34] <Loetmichel2> <- just drove 150km in a "new" to get a new drivers seat for it. ... and after driving big automatics with ASR for the last 10 years a small 316i compact without any assiantance modules and manual shift is quite an experience... did a 450° at the last exit ;)
[09:38:55] <wicki> maxcnc: I try to build an oszillatiing-tangetial-knife - but the first step is to control the angle of the blade
[09:39:06] <maxcnc> _methods: you can force most CAM 2D to do the job
[09:40:00] <Loetmichel2> s/new/new car
[09:40:10] <maxcnc> wicki: best to mount the C axis onto the Z and use it as the knife position
[09:54:18] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mechanical-calculations-engineering-design/299234-cnc.html
[11:30:31] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t34.0-12/12714238_10153915768998648_1031055286_n.jpg?oh=613a68550a6e363b6ce977bbd587a611&oe=56C2BF53 atleast some rudimentary dust guards for the screws =)
[11:32:09] <archivist> I wonder how long that will last with the sharp edge rubbing
[11:33:55] <aventtini6> not bad
[11:45:24] <MrSunshine> not sharp =)
[11:45:28] <MrSunshine> its paint over it :P
[11:46:12] <MrSunshine> and even so .. the rubber isnt exactly expensive =)
[12:20:02] <Loetmichel2> archivist: thats aluminium
[12:20:15] <Loetmichel2> the edge will not stay sharp THAT long
[12:20:27] <Loetmichel2> rubber is quite abrasive to aluminium
[12:24:52] <Magnifikus> http://a360.co/1R2U1UX what do you think, able to "mill" light stuff with some kind of proxxon 180W spindle?
[12:25:01] <Magnifikus> its full aluminium and ballscrews
[12:25:17] <Magnifikus> need something to keep chips away from the screws ^^
[12:26:58] <Loetmichel2> Magnifikus: this 3leg-disgns are prone to be inaccurate on the outside
[12:27:05] <Loetmichel2> and cant take much load there, either
[12:27:22] <Loetmichel2> so IF at all its only capable of milling close to the center of the table
[12:27:42] <Magnifikus> just for wood, cnc routing etc
[12:27:44] <Magnifikus> no heavy duty
[12:27:51] <Magnifikus> eh pcb
[12:28:05] <Loetmichel2> i would take a more "cartesian" approach for milling forces
[12:28:36] <Loetmichel2> easier to get a gantry type mill "stiff" than the 3 leg ones
[12:28:41] <Magnifikus> ah will hail horribly and next one will be cartesian
[12:28:49] <Magnifikus> fail
[12:28:51] <maxcnc> hi back after a big pizza
[12:29:45] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: proxxon IB/E is a better solution more powerfull
[12:29:51] <Magnifikus> oh Loetmichel2 also where will be platform on top
[12:30:05] <Magnifikus> so no free standing shit
[12:30:17] <Magnifikus> yeah maybe if i can hold the 6kg :D
[12:30:27] <Loetmichel2> Magnifikus: i imagined that much
[12:31:03] <Loetmichel2> still the forces on the ball joints are soo big at the extreme position that these mechaincs will not be that great for milling at all
[12:31:24] <Loetmichel2> someone made a CNC milling hexabot... and look at how massive that is:
[12:31:27] <maxcnc> wicki still on ?
[12:31:44] <Magnifikus> yep saw it
[12:31:46] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16146&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:31:50] <Loetmichel2> sorry, wrong lionk
[12:32:00] <Loetmichel2> https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI1raZ7PfKAhXBJZoKHUzQDSgQtwIIHzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnebJ59TcYlQ&usg=AFQjCNFICxcx2txvG8Lv4K2_k4FPJ95sjw&sig2=ZC1ijuoVPurjyRMLRWHaYw
[12:32:14] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: only Fr4 sie
[12:32:18] <maxcnc> size
[12:32:19] <Loetmichel2> Third time is a charm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebJ59TcYlQ
[12:32:31] <maxcnc> euro pcb
[12:32:35] <Magnifikus> yeah like that
[12:32:43] <Magnifikus> plaything for my bench
[12:33:00] <Magnifikus> can take forever with lite cuts etc :)
[12:33:07] <Loetmichel2> what i meant: look at the size of his joints
[12:33:30] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: are you in europ
[12:33:38] <Magnifikus> sq6rs thought about 8mm ones also
[12:33:41] <Magnifikus> yeah germany
[12:33:59] <Magnifikus> they are rated 3,5kn
[12:44:02] <TurBoss> Hello
[12:44:15] <TurBoss> any one here working with Cimatron?
[12:58:07] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/11/24/3d-systems-acquires-cadcam-developer-cimatron/
[12:58:55] <CaptHindsight> 3D Systems EX- President and CEO and all around scammer BS'er Avi Reichental
[12:59:21] <TurBoss> oh
[12:59:40] <yasnak> Hmmm...Israeli?
[12:59:46] <TurBoss> yeah xD
[12:59:57] <TurBoss> is a work choice not mine
[13:02:10] <TurBoss> well the question is if any one knows a postprocessor for cimatron tha outputs nice gcode :)
[13:09:28] <aventtini6> you need to make it
[13:09:46] <aventtini6> cimatron is usualy expensive
[13:09:47] <aventtini6> :D
[13:12:43] <maxcnc> aventtini6: did you solve the problem with the axis trifft
[13:14:14] <TurBoss> aventtini6: thank you
[13:23:16] <maxcnc> im off gn8
[13:26:43] <MrSunshine> Loetmichel2: i guess he thinks of the plate that bends it upwards, and thats steel =)
[13:30:08] <aventtini6> max
[13:30:11] <aventtini6> no
[13:30:14] <aventtini6> whit 2.6
[13:30:21] <aventtini6> it works like a charm
[13:30:44] <aventtini6> 2.7 dont
[13:31:05] <aventtini6> i need to make some tests and get the files to the guys to see whats the problem
[13:34:02] <aventtini6> how is the mahos ?
[13:34:10] <aventtini6> you are working on them
[13:34:57] <t12> anyone know what this strange thing is?
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/eygjmcr6rqfpkdy/AAAuLC2V5HhZM_9YZVNpzErCa
[13:37:27] <aventtini6> drill grinding suport
[13:37:30] <aventtini6> i think
[13:37:43] <aventtini6> i sow it on a grinding machine
[13:41:21] <aventtini6> http://www.vieltools.com/admin/gstProd/vignette/prod550-1.jpg
[13:41:25] <aventtini6> this is
[13:41:27] <aventtini6> :)
[13:45:14] <t12> nice!
[13:45:15] <t12> thanks
[13:56:18] <CaptHindsight> I had something similar used to hold oversized pencils while you placed the eraser onto the ends and crimp them
[13:58:19] <t12> lol
[13:58:23] <t12> thats a better tool
[14:10:38] <_methods> i've seen that kind of jig used for cutting square stock in bandsaws before
[14:12:35] <CaptHindsight> squaring stepped square stock jig
[14:13:59] <_methods> i think some people call them toast rack jigs
[14:15:06] <_methods> that one is pretty elaborate
[14:23:33] <CaptHindsight> at first I thought it might be a set of dies for a paper punch like these from the 60's-80's
[14:24:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cleanmama.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Hole-Punch-and-Assemble-How-to-Make-a-Cleaning-Binder-via-Clean-Mama-1.jpg
[14:24:46] <CaptHindsight> and crude form of D-RM for booklets before they were digital
[14:25:16] <CaptHindsight> they didn't just drop into a 3 ring binder
[14:46:50] <Erant> Gah, I need to get some tiny end mills for engraving.
[14:47:06] <Erant> And mold making
[14:47:29] <Erant> 1/8" isn't enough.
[14:48:25] <Erant> Time for an ebay order of some PCB end mills.
[14:53:48] <Erant> Oh, question. For lathe tools, if I want a 'quick and cheap' one, should I just get some HSS and take it to the grinder?
[14:54:10] <Erant> I need a cutting tool, and a parting tool (though I can do without the parting tool)
[14:55:08] <_methods> taht would give you the most flexibility for sure
[14:57:20] <Erant> Some flat bar and square bar it is, I guess.
[14:58:52] <Erant> And some drill rod for my encoder, and experimenting with making tools myself :)
[15:55:47] <MrSunshine> does a faster cpu for linuxcnc result in faster stepper pulse train ? =)
[15:56:36] <XXCoder> I don't think it depends that much on cpu
[16:00:41] <malcom2073> MrSunshine: A lower jitter results in faster possible step rates
[16:01:07] <XXCoder> isnt one of better video card help on less jitter?
[16:03:07] <malcom2073> I've heard that somewhere, that video cards rather than onboard video helps
[16:05:59] <malcom2073> Anyone know if any of the cheap chinese drivers other than leadshines have anti-resonance?
[16:10:15] <XXCoder> probably not?
[16:10:58] <malcom2073> Yeah I'm assuming not. Looking at alternatives to buying another G540 to replace the one I had borrowed from my dad, that he reclaimed heh
[16:11:28] <malcom2073> The machine has resonance problems, Stalled pretty often when using 6600's, the G540 was smooth as silk though
[16:16:14] <Icy-JT> I need someone to climb up to the satellite dish and melt the ice lol
[16:16:40] <malcom2073> Man I don't miss doing that heh
[16:16:57] <XXCoder> Icy-JT: sure, plane ticket please?
[16:17:06] <XXCoder> and car rental
[16:17:25] <Icy-JT> I bet there is some heat tape on the back side next week
[16:19:22] <XXCoder> all it needs to be heated above 35f
[16:19:30] <XXCoder> and it will slowly deice and keep ice free
[16:19:50] <Deejay> gn8
[16:19:58] <Icy-JT> I hope it melts before you could get here
[16:20:53] <XXCoder> not going anywhere without airplane ticket in hand lol
[16:30:11] <_methods> get one of those super soaker squirt guns and fill it with de-icer and shoot it up there lol
[16:31:27] <Icy-JT> I can reach it with 2 layup sticks
[16:31:41] <witnit> ^ this
[16:32:02] <witnit> _methods: genius
[16:32:18] <_methods> no laziness lol
[16:32:33] <_methods> the mother of all invention
[16:32:42] <witnit> exactly
[16:33:27] <_methods> haha
[16:42:20] <MrSunshine> malcom2073: hmm sounds interesting .. might have to try that as i got a slot free in the computer =)
[16:45:14] <JT-Shop> quart of hot water on the end of 3 layup sticks (24') done the trick :)
[16:56:40] <Sync> malcom2073: told you that you want servos
[16:58:00] <malcom2073> Sync: Nah
[16:58:05] <malcom2073> This is for the small machine
[16:58:10] <Sync> still
[16:58:10] <malcom2073> the big one that I removed servos from works great :-D
[16:58:26] <malcom2073> I do know though, it's a 3d printer, it would be much faster with servos
[16:58:54] <malcom2073> Well... in theory
[16:59:07] <malcom2073> I don't print at max speed anyway, but I get resonance at around 20-30mm/sec, which is where I usually print
[16:59:58] <Sync> it most probably would be faster
[17:01:04] <malcom2073> Well, like I said, I don't run at max speed
[17:01:11] <malcom2073> The frame itself isn't sturdy enough for that
[17:05:25] <Sync> limit the jerk
[17:06:06] <malcom2073> I'm using LinuxCNC for control
[17:06:33] <malcom2073> Well, machinekit
[17:06:47] <zeeshan> sync can you read german? :D
[17:08:03] <malcom2073> My acceleration is limited to about 2000mm/sec^2, any faster and I get flex when accelerating/decelerating, it's not a jerk issue (Can you even adjust that? I thought the new TP used constant jerk s-curve velocity profiles?)
[17:09:57] <malcom2073> Anyway, speed isn't the issue, midband resonance is :P
[17:10:04] <malcom2073> (Which servos would also solve)
[17:10:55] <malcom2073> But that particular machine isn't worth sinking a grand into the motion control system
[17:11:00] <malcom2073> Or even half that really
[17:15:57] <Sync> zeeshan: да
[17:25:50] <yasnak> Installed TeamViewer on all of the newer Okuma OSP controlled machines, now I can sit and eat cheetos and remotely run the machines via webcam and dashboard. Giggity
[17:38:30] <Sync> zeeshan!
[17:46:43] <Tom_itx> zeeshan
[17:47:44] <JT-Shop> zeeshan:
[17:47:56] <Tom_itx> zeeshan:
[17:48:09] <Tom_itx> a wanted man.
[17:48:14] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:48:34] <Sync> seems so
[17:48:53] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, can you draw a rectangle and circle in sw about 4" apart and make a solid from them?
[17:49:10] <Tom_itx> like a transition part for an air duct
[17:49:10] <Tom_itx> etc
[17:50:01] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:50:21] <Tom_itx> what needs to align up?
[17:50:36] <Tom_itx> rectangle on one plane, circle on another plane up 4"
[17:50:58] <Tom_itx> both centered on the axis
[17:52:06] <JT-Shop> yea create a plane offset from the first by 4"
[17:52:51] <JT-Shop> what's your email
[17:54:15] <JT-Shop> it's on the way
[17:56:02] <JT-Shop> that what you need?
[17:56:15] <Tom_itx> i was drawing it in catia..
[17:56:19] <Tom_itx> i'll check
[17:58:21] <Tom_itx> yup
[17:58:35] <Tom_itx> i'll add the chamfers on the corners..
[18:03:22] <Tom_itx> catia kept getting confused
[18:03:29] <Tom_itx> not sure what i was doing wrong
[18:06:52] <JT-Shop> I'm usually not sure what I did wrong but sometimes I figure it out lol
[18:07:09] * JT-Shop wanders inside
[18:07:12] <Tom_itx> it wanted the startpoints aligned
[18:07:33] <_methods> yeah you need to select points that are kinda lined up
[18:07:36] <JT-Shop> oh I did get xilinx download but not installed yet
[18:07:38] <_methods> or it will twist up
[18:08:17] <_methods> an you usually need radii in the corners of the square
[18:11:33] <Tom_itx> yeah i put .25 radius on them
[18:11:44] <JT-Shop> see you guys later
[18:11:45] <Tom_itx> not sure how to align the start of the circle though
[18:11:51] <Tom_itx> later JT-Shop, thanks
[18:12:07] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, xilinx on linux?
[18:12:39] <Tom_itx> i wonder if adding construction lines would help that
[18:32:30] <zeeshan> hi
[18:32:35] <zeeshan> lol
[18:32:51] <zeeshan> yasnak: i love teamviewer
[18:33:00] <zeeshan> it saved my ass the other day when building the shipping crate
[18:33:15] <zeeshan> homedepot didn't have the correct wood, so i had to quickly compensate for what they had
[18:33:25] <zeeshan> i remoted to my desktop using my iphone lol
[18:33:31] <zeeshan> and made the changes, and had the updated dwg :D
[18:37:02] <Tom_itx> zee's late to the party as usual
[18:38:24] <Sync> zeeshan: so what do you need from ze germans
[18:39:45] <zeeshan> Sync: you should gimme your #
[18:39:52] <zeeshan> so i can text you when my google translate fails :)
[18:40:17] <Sync> why not
[18:43:31] <zeeshan> tom make my parts for me
[18:43:37] <zeeshan> i got a lot to do in the next 3 hours
[18:43:40] <zeeshan> i think i can get it done it if work hard :D
[18:45:18] <Tom_itx> naw, i took a zeeshan lazy pill half hour ago and it's kicking in
[18:45:27] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mf11yhomi8ynu0j/Brackets.PDF?dl=0
[18:45:31] <zeeshan> think i can finish em in 3 hours?
[18:45:32] <zeeshan> :D
[18:45:42] <zeeshan> tomorrow is a holiday for us luckily
[18:46:01] <Tom_itx> sure, why not?
[18:46:38] <Tom_itx> wanna finish my code for me?
[18:48:30] <zeeshan> no
[18:48:33] <zeeshan> you do my wor k!
[18:51:52] <zeeshan> :D
[18:52:17] <zeeshan> i like the interface on this app sync
[18:52:19] <zeeshan> looks nice
[18:52:42] <Sync> it is not that bad
[18:52:56] <zeeshan> way better than whatsapp
[18:52:57] <Sync> and it works on multiple devices
[19:01:33] <zeeshan-mill> lalala
[19:02:49] <jdh> what is the hoilday?
[19:03:24] <CaptHindsight> precedents day
[19:03:43] <CaptHindsight> and Presidents Day in the US
[19:04:03] <jdh> people get that day off?
[19:04:44] <CaptHindsight> Flag Day in Canada
[19:05:18] <CaptHindsight> schools, courts, banks, mail service in the US has off
[19:06:31] <jdh> schools are open here
[19:24:00] <pink_vampire> morninnng
[19:28:50] <Duc_mobile> morning
[19:28:56] <Duc_mobile> you get the mill running yet
[19:32:18] <yasnak> zeeshan: just because you can though, doesn't mean its nice. i remember remoting into our server when on vacation with my iphone 4? Oh dear god, talk about making a bad situation worse.
[19:33:16] <yasnak> zeeshan: but i hear you. i blow through join.me with my parents, its not even worth listening to them explain their tech issues.
[19:41:34] <Erant> Yeah, no day off for me. Wife has it off though.
[19:42:52] <yasnak> i keep a 12 pack in my desk for these very reasons
[20:05:36] <zeeshan-mill> :D
[20:43:35] <bobo> PetefronTn: here is a new use for the vertical mill if the drill press is down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f5Z0niXwjM
[20:46:10] <PetefromTn_> bobo honestly man right now I am not really worried about the vertical mill, more like finding a house in Florida we can enjoy for a decent price ;)
[20:54:44] <bobo> Pete seems to me as though flordia house prices are in another price bubble. what is your thought's?
[20:55:12] <PetefromTn_> well honestly I don't know. They have definitely gone up but not terribly
[20:55:37] <PetefromTn_> what sucks is that if we were able to sell our home like 2 years ago we could have bought almost anything we wanted for a smoking deal
[20:55:51] <PetefromTn_> now the investors are all buying stuff up down there and cranking the prices back up
[20:56:23] <PetefromTn_> there are some that look promising but we will probably have to dig a little deeper than we wanted to get what we are looking for.
[21:09:39] <t12> another strange fleamarket bit
[21:09:40] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3fdszmfw001gxq0/2016-02-14%2018.44.05.jpg?dl=0
[21:09:47] <PetefromTn_> trying to decide if I should cut the top off the Electronics cabinet on the Cincinatti while its here so I don't have to do it in florida...
[21:10:06] <t12> factory? xerox engraved square
[21:25:58] <pink_vampire> hi
[21:54:48] <bobo> Pete will the electronics cabinet be water resistant if cut? got a way to cover the machines for the long haul to florida?
[21:54:50] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: you sell your house then?
[21:58:29] <PetefromTn_> bobo the cabinet will be covered regardless but I will probably need to cut it to fit inside a typical garage door. Our current house I was able to dismantle the front of the house to get it in but we will most likely NOT have that ability based on the homes in Florida we have seen
[21:58:59] <PetefromTn_> tiwake yeah man we have a contract and agreement on the repairs I am currently working on. Closing is Mar21
[21:59:45] <tiwake> shiny :3
[22:00:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah now the hard work begins
[22:00:39] <PetefromTn_> I actually did a BUNCH of the little things on the checkout list yesterday. Most of them actually
[22:01:01] <PetefromTn_> now the harder items are next. Working on it all week here by myself.
[22:01:52] <tiwake> tearing out the floor and replacing sections?
[22:02:18] <PetefromTn_> oh hell no nothing like that
[22:02:19] <tiwake> around the toilet and back door? :)
[22:02:50] <tiwake> oh well then it should be no problem... heh
[22:03:16] <PetefromTn_> just gotta finish building and painting the cabinet doors for the kitchen, finish the tile in the downstairs bathroom, install the new toilet in downstairs bathroom, finish the stair treads installing I lack 2 of them.
[22:03:46] <PetefromTn_> and put up some new trim on the doors upstairs
[22:04:32] <PetefromTn_> just a bunch of work really we already have all the materials on site now..
[22:04:44] <tiwake> ah ok
[22:05:06] <tiwake> sounds like about 3-4 days of actual work, depending
[22:05:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah more like a week or so
[22:05:35] <tiwake> lots of tile to put down?
[22:05:46] <PetefromTn_> the cabinet doors I am making get like four coats of finish
[22:06:10] <PetefromTn_> no the tile is the least of it just the laundry room and the DS bathroom. Most of that is already installed
[22:06:30] <tiwake> going to grout and seal it?
[22:06:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:06:48] <tiwake> good good
[22:06:50] <PetefromTn_> I have probably like ten sq ft of tile left to install
[22:06:57] <PetefromTn_> then grout,seal clean up
[22:07:17] <PetefromTn_> we are supposed to be really cold here tomorrow and the beginning of the week
[22:07:35] <PetefromTn_> so I may do the inside stuff until it gets a bit warmer
[22:07:37] <tiwake> its been rainy here for the last week
[22:07:54] <tiwake> and looks like it will continue that way for the next while
[22:07:56] <PetefromTn_> don't feel like running inside and out mixing grout and mud in the snow
[22:08:03] <PetefromTn_> where are you located/
[22:08:09] <tiwake> oregon coast
[22:08:11] <tiwake> heh
[22:08:21] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah
[22:08:47] <PetefromTn_> there is a REALLY cool house for sale down there right now but my wife would not even look at it LOL
[22:09:10] <tiwake> its so rainy and wet that bran new cars indoors on the show floor at the car dealer rust
[22:09:22] <PetefromTn_> it's one of those tree houses that sits on a center post and the whole house is round!
[22:09:44] <PetefromTn_> they actually have a bunch of those in the Orlando area you could rent to stay near Disney world
[22:09:52] <tiwake> meh
[22:09:55] <PetefromTn_> when I was a kid my parents rented one
[22:10:07] <PetefromTn_> it was pretty neat
[22:10:51] <PetefromTn_> this one has a large seperate garage/carport and backs up to a tributary canal that goes to the intercoastal waterway.
[22:10:55] <tiwake> the way to go for any house is ICF based
[22:11:41] <PetefromTn_> they're kinda cool because they have a deck all the way around the house and under the deck is like a porch again all the way around the house
[22:11:54] <PetefromTn_> she would not even look at the picture LOL
[22:12:01] <PetefromTn_> so that one is definitely out
[22:12:11] <tiwake> dosent like oregon?
[22:12:20] <PetefromTn_> who does? ;)
[22:12:35] <PetefromTn_> just kidding man
[22:12:38] <tiwake> heh
[22:12:46] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it is beautiful there
[22:12:50] <PetefromTn_> never been there
[22:12:54] <tiwake> I don't like the politics... bunch of idiots run the state here
[22:12:56] <PetefromTn_> closest I got was norcal
[22:13:03] <tiwake> but few states can claim otherwise
[22:13:05] <roycroft> oregon is an awesome place
[22:13:17] <PetefromTn_> it gets cold there tho right?
[22:13:24] <tiwake> not here on the coast
[22:13:29] <tiwake> but it depends on where in oregon
[22:13:34] <roycroft> in central/eastern oregon it does
[22:13:39] <tiwake> oregon has a flank ton of different climates
[22:13:45] <roycroft> we have the most diverse geography and most diverse climate in the nation
[22:13:49] <tiwake> depending on the area
[22:13:55] <PetefromTn_> well it gets pretty cold even in norcal so I would imagine it gets colder north of there
[22:14:14] <roycroft> we're the only state with both rain forest and desert
[22:14:15] <tiwake> here on the coast it never snows, if it does it only sticks around for one day
[22:14:25] <roycroft> where are you, tiwake?
[22:14:30] <tiwake> its a temperate rainforest
[22:14:37] <PetefromTn_> that is about what it is like here just a day or two at most
[22:14:44] * roycroft lives in eugene
[22:14:48] <tiwake> roycroft: tillamook
[22:14:52] <roycroft> oh cool
[22:14:57] <roycroft> tillamook is a nice town
[22:15:04] <tiwake> its alright I guess
[22:15:24] <tiwake> kind of a technology hole, but that seems to be changing, abit slowly
[22:15:47] <tiwake> stupid tourists flocking to the beach... idiots
[22:16:10] <tiwake> the roads are literally the worst in all of oregon
[22:16:21] <PetefromTn_> I watched an amazing video of people kayaking somewhere up there among some amazing rock formations on the ocean
[22:16:42] <bobo> doesen't Grants Pass oregon have Palm Trees?
[22:17:09] <roycroft> there's a palm tree right across the street from my house
[22:17:17] <PetefromTn_> reallly?
[22:17:19] <roycroft> and i'm way north of grants pass
[22:17:20] <roycroft> yes
[22:17:21] <tiwake> Grants Pass is the southern area
[22:17:23] <PetefromTn_> that is hard to believe almost
[22:17:30] <tiwake> would not surprise me
[22:18:04] <roycroft> there's a species of banana plant that can live here
[22:18:25] <roycroft> and it bears fruit here
[22:18:37] <tiwake> roycroft: where is here?
[22:18:39] <bobo> i think it has to do with the Japanse current
[22:18:45] <roycroft> eugene
[22:18:48] <tiwake> ah
[22:19:03] <tiwake> ok, so you are like a 3-4 hour drive from me
[22:19:06] <tiwake> like 3.5 I think
[22:19:06] <roycroft> yes
[22:19:16] <tiwake> my cousin lives there
[22:19:17] <roycroft> brookings is the town that gets the banana belt current
[22:19:27] <roycroft> it comes straight from hawaii to brookings
[22:19:34] <tiwake> sounds about right
[22:19:42] <tiwake> and pushes all the rain off to tillamook
[22:19:43] <tiwake> heh
[22:21:32] <roycroft> your lighthouse is one of the few in the northwet that i haven't visited
[22:21:38] <tiwake> hmm
[22:21:40] <roycroft> 'cuz it's off on an island out in the ocean
[22:21:56] <tiwake> the one in tillamook county?
[22:21:59] <roycroft> yes
[22:22:12] <tiwake> ..didnt think it was that special.. heh
[22:22:20] <tiwake> its not even a really tall fancy one
[22:22:34] <roycroft> no
[22:22:56] <bobo> there you go Pete head for Oregon . screw the old burnt out suckers in florida
[22:23:04] <tiwake> been to a ham radio meetup at the one in tillamook once... where they try to contact as many other lighthouses as possible
[22:23:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah thanks but no thanks... we are Florida bound!
[22:23:35] <tiwake> bobo: the old burnt out people all head to the coast... we have it here too
[22:23:59] <PetefromTn_> we WANT to be in Port St. Lucie area but if we can't find a good deal on the right house we may go a bit north or south of there.
[22:24:06] <Ralith> hey, would anyone here have tips for finding residential-zoned properties with disproportionately large garage/shop space, beyond the obvious zillow/craigslist searches?
[22:24:24] <tiwake> Ralith: build one?
[22:24:24] <PetefromTn_> Ralith Where were you when I needed ya LOL
[22:24:38] <tiwake> roycroft: you have a machine shop there in eugene?
[22:24:52] <Ralith> tiwake: that's plan B
[22:25:41] <Ralith> PetefromTn_: had difficulty unloading some property?
[22:26:00] <PetefromTn_> well its been for sale for almost 2 years LOL
[22:26:07] <Ralith> oh geez
[22:26:22] <PetefromTn_> we have been working on it steadily during that time tho
[22:26:35] <Ralith> perhaps that's a hint that your price is above-market
[22:26:46] <PetefromTn_> apparently not
[22:26:57] <bobo> Ralith best I can say is look at (or for lack of ) zoning. and the control freaks
[22:27:04] <PetefromTn_> we have a signed contract now closing at end of march
[22:27:07] <Ralith> bobo: the control freaks?
[22:27:09] <Ralith> PetefromTn_: congrats!
[22:27:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah hoping and praying for a good result and finding a nice comfy home in Florida we can enjoy.
[22:28:07] <bobo> control of what land owners can do
[22:28:26] <Ralith> ah, yeah
[22:28:35] <Ralith> already spent some time digging through the local code
[22:28:35] <roycroft> i have a garage
[22:28:35] <roycroft> and there is a bit of machinery in it
[22:29:41] <tiwake> hmm
[22:32:18] <PetefromTn_> NOT looking forward to the snow/rain tomorrow and tuesday. Supposed to get pretty damn cold too..
[22:32:24] <Ralith> I dream of finding an old cheap warehouse somewhere and converting a corner into living space, but I think anything like that nearby has already been knocked down and replaced with townhouses and such
[22:33:12] <bobo> or will be and then you are out
[22:33:13] <PetefromTn_> that would be awesome I would love to do the same... again the wife nixed it ;)
[22:33:46] <Ralith> bobo: well, I wouldn't make that kind of capital investment in a rental property to begin with :P
[22:34:17] <Ralith> basically giving money away
[22:37:01] <tiwake> getting started with anything is always a pain
[22:37:13] <tiwake> the government thinks its not a problem and makes it harder all the time
[22:48:55] <PetefromTn_> GN8 folks
[22:49:07] <bobo> night
[22:49:15] <PetefromTn_> :D
[23:45:57] <tiwake> roycroft: I was kinda looking at a ford mustang in your area on creigslist
[23:46:06] <tiwake> earlier today
[23:46:42] <tiwake> and a transmission thats a bit south of eugene
