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[00:13:57] <minibnz> ok i sanded it as much as i feel i should and it still wont fire semi auto.. it slides a bit nicer now that i also replaced a seal that was oversized.. now i can clearly see that there is a hollow that needs to be filled and smoothed back..
[00:15:08] <minibnz> i could see where the metal came from to make the burr and that needs to be replaced as its either side of a slot that the trigger sits in.. so there is not a lot of support there and any hollow will allow the hammer to drop and catch before the trigger
[00:23:55] <Ralith> are you milling your own firearm
[00:24:16] <Wolf_> air rifle repair
[00:24:17] <minibnz> no just trying to repair it.
[00:25:45] <minibnz> i have fired about 5000 shots thru it in one year and it turns out i was not lubricating it enough and a burr developed behind the poppet valve hammer so when it tried to reload after/during firing it jams as the hammer is dropping into the divots that made the burrs and jamming even though everything is nice and clean.
[00:26:38] <minibnz> going to dis-assembe it fully and degrease it and fill the divots up with some devon steel plastic steel. i have heard this stuff can repaire cylinder walls in a engine..
[00:26:52] <minibnz> so i figure that would be the next step..
[00:27:42] <minibnz> if that doesnt work i dont think i have a lot of choices. the design of this wont allow for a sleeve so i can leave it as single shot bolt action or buy a new receiver which means govt paperwork and $$$$
[00:28:34] <minibnz> speaking of paper work that reminds me i have to submit my permit to purchase for my new lever action shotty.. :) that will be a nice birthday present..
[01:36:10] <minibnz> well this is embarassing.. i think i have an axis backwards.. going to have to cut me a number 4 so i can see whats going on.. it doesn't matter at the moment as i am cutting circles.. it seems like when i tell it to cut clockwise it goes the other way...
[01:42:46] <Wolf_> didn’t test?
http://i.imgur.com/j52xZPn.jpg :P
[01:43:58] <Jymmm> Wolf_: SLAM that pencil into the material ;)
[01:45:05] <minibnz> what you goal was to draw on the card? that looks like the perfect test before milling something :)
[01:45:06] <Wolf_> just need to set the DOC for a #2 led
[01:45:20] <Jymmm> Wolf_: LOL
[01:45:21] <Wolf_> lead*
[01:45:51] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I will admit, I do like the thick lines it created
[01:46:13] <Jymmm> Wolf_: maybe try a carpetner's pencil?
[01:46:15] <Wolf_> minibnz: yeah, was first test I did with the machine after I converted it
[01:46:26] <minibnz> it looks good. is that coragated card?
[01:46:36] <Wolf_> yeah, just cardboard lol
[01:46:48] <Jymmm> looks like divider cardboard
[01:46:52] <minibnz> so whats the lined in it
[01:46:56] <minibnz> s$
[01:47:20] <minibnz> lines.. oh wow 4 times to type one word...
[01:47:43] <Jymmm> minibnz: You can do worse if you try real hard ;)
[01:49:11] <minibnz> i ihave a bad habit of dropping my thumbs on the track pad and it highlights the text i have typed so if i dont see it in time i type over the top and have to start again it really pisses me off.. i have tried settings and programs to fix this but there seems like nothing i can do. i even replaced the track pad but stil happens.
[01:51:07] <minibnz> the problem really is that the irc client requires me to click in the text box to type so teh mouse is always there ready to select the text unless i force myself to drag the mouse a away then i get a new window selection instead of wiping my text.. its not too bad when i code but its really shit on irc..
[01:54:29] <archivist> dont use a laptop :)
[01:55:04] <minibnz> the desktop wont sit straight on the couch.. all the things i draw would come out bent...
[02:20:04] <Deejay> moin
[02:24:27] <tiwake> back from work
[02:24:45] <tiwake> 15 hours later
[02:32:15] <tiwake> vodka time
[04:37:57] <miss0r> so yesterday I went to buy my first surface grinder. it is a Jacobsen SJ-16. it looks like hell(very dirty) but it seems to be in working condition with everything still on it, althou that comes with the exeption of the coolant pump. I bought it for ~100USD, from a guy living 400 meters from me, so it was an easy move with a forklift. It had service aprox one year ago, where a new grinding
[04:37:57] <miss0r> wheel was installed, and since then it has only been running 2 hours or so on the clock. In addition to all this niceness, It has a massive magnetic chuck installed, measuering 31.5x10 inches. and it is dirty but working. I thought I would share my happyness on this deal with you guys.
[04:38:57] <archivist> grmbl
[04:39:32] <archivist> I had to make my own grinder because there was no cheap one available
[04:40:11] <miss0r> I got lucky. I saw the guy move it outside the workshop for long term storage in the rain. so I just contacted him
[04:40:54] <archivist> you will be needing a larger workshop :)
[04:41:03] <miss0r> yeah...
[04:41:16] <miss0r> it's already packed somewhat tight in here at the moment
[04:41:46] <miss0r> the statement you just made is more correct that you could imagine
[04:41:47] <archivist> it is not far off the price I paid for the CMM
[04:42:29] <miss0r> nice
[04:43:11] <miss0r> well.. the price I paied for the machine, I would gladly have doubled just for the magnetic chuck
[04:43:11] <archivist> I had a full garage, saw it on ebay, mad cramming and clearing session to get it in
[04:43:34] <miss0r> thats what I just did with my TOS fnk 25A mill
[04:43:56] <miss0r> that is somewhat out of the question. and the problem is it is almost as big as the mill
[04:44:26] <miss0r> I am hoping a friend of mine with a huge garage will have it stored for occational use at his place :)
[04:44:39] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_09_27_Brown_&_Sharpe_CMM/IMG_2008.JPG
[04:45:34] <miss0r> my word, that is crowded
[04:45:49] <archivist> just a bit
[04:47:06] <miss0r> mines not that crowded yet. but it would be quite alot worse if I moved that surface grinder in here
[04:47:06] <archivist> made a trolley for someone, had to drag it through upside down
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=glass+trolley
[04:47:51] <miss0r> heh
[04:50:30] <miss0r> my biggest issue at the moment is, I need to change windows in my chop for some insulating ones. so I can get this place heated.
[04:51:20] <archivist> find a used on on ebay
[04:52:43] <miss0r> I actualy found a place here in Denmark that makes them on measurements, and only charges ~$40 for square meter.
[04:52:48] <archivist> I god a windows and door for the garage that way, far cheaper than new
[04:52:49] <miss0r> that is only the glass part thou..
[04:52:53] <archivist> got
[04:53:16] <archivist> you can get a frame and glass that way
[04:53:17] <miss0r> but I think I should be able to reuse the frames
[04:54:04] <tiwake> vodka is magic
[04:54:07] <tiwake> also bed time
[04:54:08] <miss0r> my garage is build from aerated concrete, so it would be just lovely not to have to replace too much
[04:54:11] <archivist> if you want to reuse the frame remember double glazed units are a lot thicker
[04:54:11] <tiwake> night
[04:54:44] <archivist> 27mm over hear is the current standard
[04:54:48] <archivist> here
[04:54:54] <miss0r> archivist: indeed. I would have to use a handheld wood mill (No idea what they are called) and then remove the rest in the conors with a chissle
[04:55:16] <miss0r> I have plenty frame to go around
[04:55:37] <archivist> just as easy to replace whole frame
[04:56:19] <archivist> upvc frame has drains for the bottom of the glass that a wooden frame does not
[04:57:45] <miss0r> good point
[04:59:32] <archivist> my part time work is windows :)
[05:01:23] <miss0r> I guess that makes sense :) Do you live of that garage? and then support that working with windows?
[05:01:54] <archivist> hardly living off anything at the moment
[05:02:18] <miss0r> sucks
[05:02:45] <miss0r> so that means you have more to work in your shop ;)
[05:03:43] <archivist> no work to pay for heating to play in workshop
[05:04:12] <miss0r> you know what. that realy sucks
[05:09:53] <archivist> well, just had an email, a fuel tank to repair
[05:12:46] <miss0r> nice
[05:13:11] <miss0r> so not living completely on 'nothing'. I guess what my question was: Are you selfemployed?
[05:13:24] <DaViruz> bring RTV!
[05:14:57] <miss0r> DaViruz: a few days ago you ditches the danish machines... I now have a danish made Jacobsen SJ-16 surface grinder standing around
[05:15:23] <miss0r> so... why don't you put that in your pipe and smoke it, you damn Swede ;)
[05:16:36] <DaViruz> :D
[05:17:33] <miss0r> DaViruz: one quite like this one:
http://www.wotol.com/images/thumbs/800x800/1089503_8b409f97000033bf92eac786f3c2aa63.jpg just imagine alot of old grinding dust & oil everywhere
[05:19:14] <DaViruz> that's easy to imagine!
[05:19:30] <miss0r> _alot_more_
[05:19:32] <miss0r> :)
[05:20:15] <miss0r> but it included a huge magnetic chuck of 800x250mm
[05:34:31] <archivist> miss0r, I can accept delivery after you have cleaned and painted it :)
[05:34:41] * archivist ducks
[05:35:32] <miss0r> hehehe. where on gods green earth would you put it?
[05:36:13] <archivist> "somewhere"
[05:37:19] <archivist> I wish I could afford to finish my "conservatory" (workshop extension)
[05:37:20] <miss0r> funny... that is also where I am going to place it
[05:37:44] <miss0r> I hear'ya. I would also love to extend mine
[05:38:04] <archivist> I have "obtained" some miss measured frames and glass
[05:38:19] <miss0r> I sould also love to have a white epoxy floor
[05:38:24] <archivist> needs a base and roof
[05:39:02] <miss0r> you sound like me when I was a little kid. comming up to my father with a box of nails, claiming I had half of what it took to build a treehouse. and that he would only have to supply the rest
[05:40:22] * Jymmm lol @ miss0r
[05:40:31] <Jymmm> miss0r: Did he buy it?
[05:40:49] <Jymmm> miss0r: Did he buy it? (your arguement that is)
[05:41:28] <archivist> still trying to convince his dad, I bet
[05:41:48] <Jymmm> hahahahaha
[05:42:57] <miss0r> yeah. he didn't :)
[05:43:15] <DaViruz> a tree house with a surface grinder in it
[05:43:22] <DaViruz> now that would be something
[05:43:26] <miss0r> I ended up building one my self. he only pitched in, when it clearly became too hazardous :)
[05:43:47] <miss0r> I think I would need a 500 year old oak tree for a proper base then :)
[05:43:59] <Jymmm> miss0r: Should have told him you have a box of nail AND the tree, then you really would have had more than half =)
[05:45:32] <miss0r> hehe true. I ended up with a horrible construction made from rope, wooden pallets and alot! of bend nails :)
[05:45:51] <miss0r> sort of like a platform in a huge apple tree, I could sit on reading cartoons'n eating apples...
[05:46:20] <miss0r> ... good times.. good times
[05:55:00] <_methods> that sounds like the perfect tree house
[06:02:43] <miss0r> indeed. Thinking back it was the best possiple treehouse. When my kid gets old enough I will do something simular. Not get him one of thoes pretty ones that looks like it came out of a factory. he would probally not enjoy that as much
[06:03:37] <Jymmm> miss0r: Dont forget to hand him the 35lb nail gun with itchy trigger finger
[06:04:36] <miss0r> hehe. the only nail gun I have is a gunpowder powered one for blowing bolts into concrete... I see no reason for him not to borrow that :D
[06:04:55] <Jymmm> NOW YOU'RE TALKING!!!
[06:05:31] <Jymmm> "Look Dad, this 10" nail fits in the end of the barrel!!!"
[06:06:00] <Jymmm> (and I bet it actually would too)
[06:06:06] <miss0r> You would not believe what I have made of crazy things in my childhood... Its scary :)
[06:06:38] <Jymmm> time delay fuses?
[06:06:57] <miss0r> I can't believe I still have all my fingers. at the age of 12 I, unknow to my parents ofc, mixed nitro glycerin in my room...
[06:07:18] <miss0r> I used thoes, yes ;)
[06:08:17] <Jymmm> I'm still a pyro, I just make electric fuses now
[06:08:49] <miss0r> indeed. I made an explotion once, that scared me out of my pyro mode
[06:10:30] <_methods> Jymmm: back to troll'n the NSA eh
[06:10:35] <_methods> 2 days in a row lol
[06:11:04] <Jymmm> _methods: I said pyro, not arsonist.
[06:11:47] <_methods> heheh
[06:11:49] <_methods> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/slovenia/12150756/Slovenian-town-to-build-Europes-first-beer-fountain.html
[06:11:58] <archivist> now the spooks are reading every word you get terrorism holidays just for talking about
[06:13:02] <miss0r> indeed.
[06:13:11] <miss0r> yeah, just putting some systems to work
[06:13:50] <Jymmm> archivist: Eh, _methods should run for PRESIDENT, it be da BOMB of the USA!
[06:13:53] <miss0r> I wonder if there are actualy terror cells/orginations using IRC
[06:14:19] <Jymmm> miss0r: ask _methods, he's the spokesperson.
[06:14:59] <_methods> hahah thx Jymmm
[06:15:53] <miss0r> Jymmm: I all makes sense now! I found my self wondering where his obsession with goats came from
[06:15:53] <_methods> miss0r: of course there are they use xbox live and playstation network too lol
[06:16:00] <_methods> you should watch the news here
[06:16:06] <_methods> they use TEXTING too
[06:16:19] <Jymmm> and FB
[06:16:20] <_methods> so we should all give up encryption because terrorists are scary
[06:16:26] <miss0r> dear lord-ah! They are advanced :)
[06:16:32] <_methods> and the govt needs to read all your texts
[06:17:01] <miss0r> I will freely allow them to read my texts. question is: can they handle all that smudge? :]
[06:17:07] <Jymmm> they just need to give me my email backups from 1998 is what they need to do!
[06:18:14] <Jymmm> Dear NSA, Under FIOA, please provide my emails from 1998. Thank you
[06:18:21] <Jymmm> FOIA*
[06:18:26] <_methods> hehe
[06:18:46] <_methods> yeah someone get Jymmm all his AOL emails
[06:19:19] <_methods> earthlink hahahah
[06:20:52] <Jymmm> It's was an ISP back then.
[06:21:05] <notAnNSAAgent> now whats all this
[06:21:16] <miss0r> ^^
[06:21:35] <Jymmm> notAnNSAAgent: your momma
[06:22:11] <miss0r> Yeah, I thought it would just be fun to ssh to one of my servers and join here :D
[06:22:14] <notAnNSAAgent> :-P
[06:23:07] <miss0r> good news: My new mitutoyo dial just arraived in the mail
[06:23:51] <miss0r> and here I am just waiting for my steel supplyer to call back with a material price, so I can give a client of mine a price for some brackets
[06:35:09] <Jymmm> http://qz.com/613957/the-us-government-now-considers-googles-self-driving-cars-to-be-legal-drivers/
[06:48:25] <__rob> just got my face mill
[06:48:35] <__rob> what is the anti seize lubricant for ?
[06:48:42] <__rob> little tube of it packed with it
[06:48:51] <minibnz> for the inserts?
[06:49:05] <__rob> but for cutting ??
[06:49:19] <__rob> theres flood coolant
[06:49:46] <minibnz> i thouhgt you were meant to put a small dab behind the cutters when you install them to stop the locking pin from seizing.
[06:49:52] <Jymmm> so the inserts dont sieze to the face mill
[06:49:59] <__rob> ohh right
[06:50:11] <__rob> surely the inserts are meant to be tight in there
[06:50:12] <minibnz> those little allen key scerws
[06:50:14] <__rob> not move at all
[06:50:33] <minibnz> not the insert it self but the bolt that holds it.. the little cam
[06:50:55] <miss0r> _so you can remove them when they are worn out.
[06:51:08] <minibnz> after a hard days cutting :)
[06:54:09] <archivist> or a hard hour
[06:55:43] <minibnz> yeah once things start to warm up they expand a different rates you wouldnt want to have to wait an hour for it to cool before you can get the old one off..
[06:57:06] <archivist> you should read the insert spec, they are rated in hours or less
[07:00:05] <minibnz> oh wasnt sure what the run time on a average insert was.
[07:00:38] <__rob> http://www.ctctools.biz/mitsubishi-carbide-inserts-apgt1135pdfr-g2-l165/
[07:00:41] <__rob> these arethe inserts
[07:01:33] <__rob> so how deep a cut can you realistically take with a 38mm face mill ?
[07:01:43] <__rob> with inserts like the above
[07:01:54] <__rob> full insert height ?
[07:02:06] <__rob> or is that a bad idea
[07:02:38] <__rob> suppose its no different to a regular endmill
[07:02:40] <__rob> just wider
[07:05:49] <miss0r> very much depends on your mill
[07:06:55] <archivist> and material and finishing/medium/roughing
[07:07:07] <minibnz> that was a bad site to show me.. they have nice cheap range of reams i have been looking for a set that is cheap..cheapest i have found was $160 for 2-13mm in 0.5mm steps from that site i could get the same for about $50
[07:09:01] <minibnz> oh i see why they are cheaper.. i was looking at hand reams not chucking reams.. doh.. ok $160 is cheaper they wants $15pc
[07:09:38] <minibnz> not too sure what the difference is really they look the same but probably made slightly different to allow use in a mill.
[07:09:46] <miss0r> damnit!! the idiots who surface ground this magnetic chuck switched direction on the furface grinder while being in concact
[07:10:19] <miss0r> this just makes me want to kill someone
[07:10:31] <_methods> the anitsieze is for the screws that hold the inserts in
[07:10:37] <archivist> heh "most cutting speeds are recommended for a tool life of 15 minutes" from the Sandvik catalog
[07:11:24] <miss0r> most of my endmills come from a tool shop, where they discard any and all endmills after 125mins of cutting
[07:11:35] <archivist> adjust speeds and feeds for a longer life
[07:11:47] <miss0r> some are worn, but most of them are in tip top working condition (for my purposes anyway)
[07:12:45] <miss0r> mleh... I need to head out (kids god doctors apointment) see you around
[07:16:13] <minibnz> so how bad is the idea of making a tip for a fly cutter to cut gear teeth in a 4th axis?
[07:16:32] <_methods> how is that a bad idea
[07:16:47] <_methods> pretty sure that is a common thing
[07:17:25] <minibnz> just looking at all the gear cutting stuff you can buy and was wondering if i can get away with just making tips to suit my fly cutter..
[07:18:10] <minibnz> oh ok now i need to make an arbor to hold my stock
[07:18:11] <_methods> yeah should be fine
[07:18:49] <minibnz> was thinking the geometery of the cutter would be wrong..
[07:18:51] <_methods> not everyone has a gear hob like some people here
[07:19:06] <_methods> well you'll have to cut the geometry correctly
[07:19:09] <_methods> or it will be wrong
[07:19:19] <minibnz> hehehe yeah a gear hobb would be over kill i dont need to make that many gears the same..
[07:19:53] <minibnz> yeah that will be fun keeping positive rake
[07:20:46] <_methods> well archivist is the person to talk to if you need help with gear cutting
[07:21:11] <minibnz> yeah he has shown me how he does it
[07:22:04] <archivist> I have ground up a flycutter to fit a gear I am replacing then made the gear
[07:22:31] <minibnz> cool just didnt think it was the done thing.
[07:22:39] <_methods> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/machinery_handbook/27_Gears_10.pdf
[07:22:53] <_methods> its commonly done for "one off" gears
[07:23:02] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_08_13_cnc_helical/P1010261.JPG
[07:23:28] <minibnz> i guess i will make up a little set of cutter as i go
[07:23:32] <_methods> good overview of gear cutting
[07:23:39] <_methods> hardly exhaustive
[07:24:04] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtziCsUj5Q
[07:24:56] <_methods> nice
[07:25:28] <archivist> 660k views!
[07:25:42] <_methods> very impressive
[07:26:34] <archivist> I have never understood the view count on that one
[07:26:56] <_methods> bread machines have massive followings
[07:26:57] <_methods> lol
[07:27:06] <Tom_itx> _methods just keeps watching it over and over and over..
[07:27:12] <_methods> hahahahh
[07:28:37] <minibnz> oh thats a nice video.. but whats with all the cut and paste comments.. they just copy the video descrption.. i have never seen that on youtube before. :)
[07:31:45] <archivist> holding the rotary in a vice was a proper kludge :)
[07:32:03] <archivist> it was before I got the 5th axis
[07:43:31] <minibnz> what gcode generator supports the 4th and 5th axis or do you just code that by hand?
[07:44:26] <minibnz> are there any free open source generators out there for the 4th and 5th axis?
[07:44:48] <minibnz> im a tight arse and likt to fight bad documentation :)
[07:47:37] <_methods> i don't know of any free open source gcode generators for 4 and 5 axis work
[07:48:09] <minibnz> seems like it would be a lot of work.
[07:48:10] <_methods> 4 and 5 axis toolpath generation is traditionally very expensive
[07:48:42] <minibnz> yeah thats what i have found with the one or two generators i saw that support them. also they were window only
[07:49:30] <minibnz> its hard to hate windows in manufacturing... but its getting better..
[07:50:57] <gregcnc> cnc-toolkit.com
[07:52:50] <Tom_itx> i've been looking at that a bit in catia
[07:54:03] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/p/_TU0vrAZyH/ this was cut with cnctoolkit
[07:54:34] <minibnz> nice..
[07:55:09] <minibnz> so now i gotta learn how to use GMAX or 3dmax :)
[07:55:33] <gregcnc> actually that two setups in 3 axis, this one is 5
https://www.instagram.com/p/7684t4AZ6O/
[07:57:48] <archivist> minibnz, inside rear of skull for gcode generation
[07:58:45] <archivist> you just need to realise how simple that helical is in gcode
[07:59:52] <minibnz> at the moment i do my gcode by hand too. but for some things i just look at them and say no nope no way...
[08:00:09] <archivist> each tooth path identical, rotate one tooth angle rinse repeat
[08:00:51] <archivist> each tooth path is a single line of gcode
[08:01:05] <minibnz> yeah thats easy enough for gears i do that too. that was when i found the repeat command is not supported by my printer. wanted to test some gcode at home when the mill was at the workshop. it doesnt do repeat...
[08:02:48] <gregcnc> I want to try this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDf0lEN3ekg
[08:03:15] <_methods> the 3d printer crowd doesn't know how to read
[08:05:15] <archivist> gregcnc, I did some bevels that way, still have to fix the code a bit(or remove backlash error) or both
[08:05:34] <minibnz> they dont really look to minimise their code size. they treat each layer as its own thing so they dont need the repeat command
[08:06:17] <_methods> well if they would take a look at rs274ngc and follow that they might get some more respect
[08:06:29] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel
[08:06:34] <_methods> but unfortunately they don't and just make up silly codes for whatever they want
[08:07:00] <_methods> then they wonder why they get laughed at
[08:07:27] <archivist> the maffs
http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
[08:07:45] <gregcnc> I mainly want to be able to make gears without involute or hob cutters
[08:08:14] <_methods> that will be a lot of profiling
[08:08:36] <gregcnc> lol. version .0000001
[08:08:59] <_methods> and no guarantee lol
[08:09:06] <gregcnc> sure, but at 15kRPM it would go fast for <mod 1.0
[08:09:31] <_methods> you see when linuxcnc changes or deviates from rs274 they document it
[08:09:33] <_methods> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/rs274ngc.html
[08:10:26] <archivist> gregcnc, a plain spur is easy
[08:10:58] <gregcnc> yeah, I just have to make the time to write the gcode with variables.
[08:11:17] <archivist> trivial to grind 20 degree rack form cutter
[08:12:13] <_methods> http://www.helicron.net/workshop/gearcutting/gear_cutter/
[08:12:23] <_methods> guy making his own hob
[08:12:47] <gregcnc> to cut 4140 prehard
[08:12:49] <minibnz> thinking about foing that to extend the rack on my Z axis. i wont need too many teeth. it will only need to be 2 inches long, will allow my head to lift up a bit more now i have a air spring on it.
[08:13:41] <archivist> that is not a true hob
[08:13:46] <_methods> nah
[08:13:58] <_methods> but still cool diy hob in a home shop
[08:14:30] <archivist> not a hob
[08:14:50] <archivist> hob has a helix
[08:16:12] <_methods> yeah i guess you could get teh same thing he has there by milling a tap down
[08:16:57] <gregcnc> if you want 30° pressure angle?
[08:17:08] <archivist> some idiots have made glue gun drives "hobbing" the worm with a tap
[08:17:53] <malcom2073> archivist: You say idiots, it works damn well :P
[08:18:07] <gregcnc> letting the tap feed the "gear" even
[08:18:21] <gregcnc> for the application its fine
[08:18:44] <_methods> oh yeah he had the correct pa on his threading tool
[08:18:47] <_methods> forgot about that
[08:18:52] <archivist> for extruders yes
[08:18:55] <_methods> guess you can't just grab a tap and grind it
[08:19:28] <minibnz> thats how the first drive bolt on my pritner was made now i cut the teeth on my mill.
[08:19:48] <minibnz> it was hobbed with a tapp and a cordless drill
[08:19:55] <archivist> best start with an acme tap
[08:20:25] <minibnz> only works cuz we just need a rough surface to grip the plastic in a pinch roller.
[08:27:53] <archivist> here is a drive gear I was asked for
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=drive+gear+PD
[08:28:21] <archivist> wanted them in pairs, but failed to pay
[08:31:33] <_methods> wtf
[08:32:30] <_methods> what was the excuse for not paying?
[08:33:11] <archivist> just went silent on emails
[08:33:23] <archivist> so I never posted them
[08:33:31] <_methods> http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/cancelled%20account/gearcut.jpg
[08:33:37] <_methods> quite the lathe setup
[08:34:10] <archivist> old fashioned method
[08:35:05] <_methods> pretty cool i've never seen that setup before
[08:35:12] <archivist> we had ready made division wheels
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_05_Clockworks_schaublin_70/P1050047.JPG
[08:36:06] <_methods> ah at teh back of the headstock
[08:36:49] <archivist> later improved accuracy
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Richards_of_Burton_clockworks/P1010241.JPG
[08:37:37] <_methods> wild
[08:38:17] <archivist> the original plates had significant errors from the worm dividing that made them
[08:38:59] <_methods> got that belt spinnin in your face while you're cutting gears lol
[08:39:40] <_methods> well i liked the other one looked much simpler
[08:40:55] <archivist> so I look at any (worm) dividing assembly carefully these days
[08:41:07] * Loetmichel2 just made a few pics of his new "rust bucket" ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16146&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[08:41:12] <_methods> yeah any deviation will show up big time
[08:42:09] <archivist> most think any error is divided...wrong
[08:42:58] <_methods> damn i never thought of this either
[08:43:00] <_methods> http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/cancelled%20account/fly1.jpg
[08:43:08] <_methods> interesting fly cutter for lathe
[08:44:27] <cradek> Loetmichel2: I can smell that interior from here
[08:46:58] <Loetmichel2> soirprisingly it isnt moldy at all. a bit of cold smoke but tolerable.
[08:47:10] <Loetmichel2> @ cradek^
[08:51:29] <gregcnc> even the plastic is rusty? The lower gray trim behind the front wheels in plastic, at least on the ones I've seen
[08:53:05] <Loetmichel2> steel on this one
[09:22:04] <minibnz> so i am looking at getting some proper tool holders.. i am thinking a ER11 collet holder might be the go..
[09:26:52] <gregcnc> what are you using it for
[09:27:14] <minibnz> on my mini mill i want to add a automatic tool changer..
[09:27:32] <gregcnc> where does the holder fit in?
[09:27:34] <minibnz> the biggest cutter i can safely drive is probably 7 or 8mm
[09:27:55] <archivist> er and tool change dont usually mix
[09:28:03] <Loetmichel2> minibnz: wimp
[09:28:11] <archivist> unless you have lots of er tool holders
[09:28:15] <minibnz> i need to hold the cutters.. i have a 16mm spring loaded collet that wil hold the tool holder and i am thinking that if i made the tool holders out of collets would be good.
[09:28:24] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5474
[09:28:31] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5471
[09:28:38] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5468
[09:28:44] <Loetmichel2> :-)
[09:28:54] <Loetmichel2> 80mm at 24kRPM
[09:29:22] <Loetmichel2> i confess i was standing behind the gantry sidewall when using that ;-)
[09:29:49] <Loetmichel2> ... 6mm shaft btw ;-)
[09:29:50] <minibnz> i am using a Seig x2 that i have CNC'd maybe the motors are too small but even when i hand drive it 7 or 8mm was where things got a little unsteady
[09:30:21] <Loetmichel2> i used a wooden gantry router for that
[09:30:22] <anomynous> 24krpm?
[09:30:40] <gregcnc> so you are putting an ER11 collet extension into a 16mm collet in the spindle?
[09:31:00] <minibnz> so i thought about seeing if i could find something that will hold all my cutters and drills and be automatically loaded into the spindle. but all the premade CNC tool holders are so expensive..
[09:31:03] <Loetmichel2> anomynous: yes
[09:31:14] <anomynous> what were you cutting
[09:31:16] <minibnz> looking for a way to it on the cheap
[09:31:27] <Loetmichel2> last pic
[09:31:34] <Loetmichel2> particle voard
[09:31:38] <Loetmichel2> board
[09:31:51] <Loetmichel2> the sacrificial plate
[09:32:23] <gregcnc> what is the spindle taper of the x2?
[09:32:33] <anomynous> why such speed?
[09:32:49] <minibnz> really i need a way to compress the spring on the top of my arbor.. i tried a 40mm air piston on shop air but its not strong enough..
[09:33:03] <minibnz> gregcnc i think its a MT3
[09:33:35] <minibnz> to use that directly i would need to mount a rattle gun on the top of the arbor bolt :)
[09:33:51] <minibnz> i looked into it but its would be a bit noisy for my liking..
[09:34:25] <anomynous> so you were feeding like at over 50 meters per minute or something with a 6mm shaft? :D
[09:34:51] <minibnz> so i am cosidering a electric linear actuator.. something like this
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/50mm-2-12V-330Ibs-Max-Load-1500N-150KG-Linear-Actuator-for-Medical-Lifting-Auto-/201396517687?hash=item2ee42afb37:g:EAoAAOSwNSxVOQ~V
[09:35:22] <Loetmichel2> anarchos2: yes
[09:35:27] <Loetmichel2> anomynous
[09:35:58] <Loetmichel2> because that machine was big
[09:36:20] <minibnz> but even that will need a 5:1 lever on it to get enough push to push this spring down. and then i am not too sure if it will close fast enough for the spring to snap into place. when playing around slowly releaseing the spring didnt seem to grip a 16mm too very well but smacking it with a hammer make it bite in..
[09:36:32] <Loetmichel2> and leveling the sacificial plate was a time consuming process
[09:36:42] <anomynous> how much was your feed?
[09:36:57] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935
[09:37:09] <Loetmichel2> thats the whole machine
[09:37:22] <Loetmichel2> F4200 (mm/min)
[09:37:47] <minibnz> thats a beast..
[09:38:23] <anomynous> youd save the cutter if you can run it slower. Just count how fast it would make if you feed 0.1mm/tooth
[09:38:29] <Loetmichel2> minibnz: its made of marine plywood
[09:38:46] <minibnz> still thats good enough to carve all sorts of wood :)
[09:38:52] <anomynous> cutting speed wears out cutter most. If you can slow down and have bigger feed per tooth you can cut more stuff
[09:39:02] <minibnz> marine ply is surprisingly stable.
[09:39:08] <Loetmichel2> it is
[09:39:19] <Loetmichel2> and its 300kg of marine ply
[09:39:37] <minibnz> yeah that will be fine.. :)
[09:39:49] <Loetmichel2> inside of the base:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4053
[09:39:53] <minibnz> your scarafical top will probably warp more than anything
[09:40:52] <Loetmichel2> its good enough to do aluminium
[09:41:21] <Loetmichel2> not only wood and fr4 /carbon
[09:41:42] <Loetmichel2> it was made to make model plane partsd for a company
[09:42:00] <minibnz> nice
[09:42:26] <gregcnc> minibnz you've seen hossmachine.info?
[09:42:40] <Loetmichel2> worked for 4++ years
[09:42:49] <Loetmichel2> until i got laiud off
[09:43:02] <minibnz> yeah i was looking at hoss
[09:43:16] <Loetmichel2> ... half a year later my successor managed to break the gantry in half
[09:43:26] <minibnz> he used some spring washers or something exotic like that i have a big arse coil spring..
[09:43:59] <gregcnc> belleville washers are standard ATC material
[09:44:42] <archivist> damned strong springs can be made with belleville washers
[09:44:59] <archivist> stack them to suit the job
[09:46:26] <minibnz> oh cool.. the other problem is that doesnt render properly for me so i can read all the links its a bit annoying.. the text overlays links and pictures its really hard to read some part
[09:48:42] <minibnz> anyways i have a good spring just gotta find out how to compress the damn thing.. :)
[09:48:44] <_methods> OMG they're making 3 more of those infernal transformer movies
[09:49:46] <minibnz> sweet
[09:52:32] <minibnz> they are good switch off movies.. you dont need to think for an hour or two just sit back and enjoy
[09:53:11] <_methods> that's for sure
[09:53:25] <Loetmichel2> i play elite dangerous trading when i want to "wind down" ;-)
[09:53:47] <Loetmichel2> i dont loike to watch films withpout any story ;)
[09:54:08] <_methods> well those films sure don't have much for story
[09:55:25] <minibnz> oh why oh why must i register to get a damn price...
[09:56:14] <minibnz> its not like prices are a trade secret or anything..
[09:59:18] <minibnz> and when i try and register it tells me that i have to select a state from a non-existant drop down menu wtf...
[10:00:36] <minibnz> all that to see that belleville washers are out of my price range at $128each.....
[10:01:12] <PetefromTn_> Those movies are honestly just a showcase for the technology they use to make all that crazy movement if you ask me. But I enjoy them anyway
[10:01:15] <gregcnc> 128 each?
[10:02:00] <minibnz> yeah blackwoods australia.. wasnt holding my breath.. or maybe they detected the fake email address
[10:03:02] <gregcnc> the size listed on hoss is 0.50 each at mamcaster, certainly you can get them for $1
[10:03:08] <gregcnc> mcmaster
[10:04:47] <minibnz> mcmaster wont ship to australia.. they refused to take a new account when i tried a while back.. maybe they snapped out of it and will let me now..
[10:05:38] <gregcnc> wht i's saying is there must be source for such a common product
[10:05:43] <_methods> yeah
[10:05:54] <_methods> you're practically in china's basement
[10:06:02] <anomynous> minibnz, different prices depending on where you live? =)
[10:06:10] <anomynous> or collecting accounts
[10:06:15] <anomynous> to send adverts to
[10:06:22] <Erant> minibnz: I got bellevile washers from eBay...
[10:06:24] <minibnz> yeah they are arseholes mining data..
[10:06:56] <_methods> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/20pcs-New-16-8-2-0-6mm-Belleville-Compression-spring-washer-disc-spring/32415032514.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.ZKiqG7&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201644_3_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10004_10009_10008,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6448&btsid=fb1d44a2-15e4-4afb-9c28-a92aadde1b2a
[10:06:57] <anomynous> i think thats a bit different
[10:06:58] <anomynous> :)
[10:07:11] <_methods> jeebus sorry about that link
[10:07:27] <minibnz> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/20-X-Belleville-Compression-spring-concave-convex-washers-13-ID-25mm-OD-Free-Pos-/131722124595?hash=item1eab401d33:g:Lh4AAOSw~bFWQBJi
[10:07:31] <_methods> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/20pcs-New-16-8-2-0-6mm-Belleville-Compression-spring-washer-disc-spring/32415032514.html
[10:07:34] <anomynous> sorry about your sorry
[10:07:37] <minibnz> 20 for $19 delivered..
[10:07:58] <_methods> those aliexpress ones are $7
[10:08:06] <_methods> free shipping
[10:08:18] <minibnz> have to check the size.. but that will only save me some height.. need to work out how to compress them.
[10:08:33] <Erant> minibnz: What ar you trying to do?
[10:08:48] <_methods> i'm sure they have whatever size you need on ali
[10:08:56] <minibnz> yeah they will.
[10:09:01] <Erant> Get backlash out?
[10:09:11] <_methods> i think he's tryin to make an ATC
[10:09:16] <Erant> Ah
[10:09:17] <minibnz> Erant need to find a way to compress the spring on my collet arbor
[10:09:21] <_methods> and this is for his drawbar
[10:09:36] <minibnz> i think it has 500lb of tension on it
[10:09:55] <minibnz> only needs 5-10mm travel..
[10:10:47] <Erant> This isn't going to be very helpful, but the way I compressed my washers on my leadscrews was using a hollow threaded rod.
[10:11:00] <minibnz> i have a bit coil sping on it at the moment and was looking at the bellvue washers as a backup.
[10:11:31] <minibnz> yeah in need to compress and release these repeatedly automatically
[10:11:38] <Erant> Ah.
[10:11:40] <minibnz> and allow it to spin.
[10:11:40] <PetefromTn_> minibnz I still have that electronic actuator here ;)
[10:11:55] <minibnz> oh the one from surplus.com?
[10:12:09] <PetefromTn_> Don't remember where I got it...
[10:12:38] <PetefromTn_> its a screw driven actuator that was more than enough to compress the bellevilles for my RF45 R8-TTS setup I was going with
[10:12:48] <minibnz> i'm stil unemployed.. so i can only window shop at the moment. i figure if i think about it for a while i will work out a good way to do it.
[10:13:11] <minibnz> i have even contemplated making my own driven screw..
[10:13:11] <PetefromTn_> where are you located?
[10:13:16] <minibnz> sydney aust.
[10:13:20] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell
[10:13:36] <minibnz> yeah stuck on an island in the sun :)
[10:13:51] <minibnz> and loving it until i try and buy stuff :)
[10:13:51] <PetefromTn_> I figured if you were in US I would sell it cheap and you could try it LOL
[10:14:06] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to visit Auz
[10:14:06] <minibnz> thanks i appreciate the thought.
[10:14:19] <minibnz> its a nice place to live..
[10:14:33] <PetefromTn_> are the critters as bad as everyone says?
[10:14:39] <minibnz> at least until all these damn nanny state laws build up. but by then i hope to go bush
[10:14:41] <Erant> Having lived in both Europe and the US, each place his it's thing.
[10:14:59] <Erant> *its
[10:15:11] <minibnz> you have to go looking for them.. a can of aerogard instect repelent is your best friend.
[10:15:20] <PetefromTn_> I mean like deadly spiders and whatnot
[10:15:40] <PetefromTn_> because the rest of it looks AMAZING
[10:16:03] <PetefromTn_> I mean it has always been a dream of mine to Dive the Great Barrier Reef etc.
[10:16:23] <minibnz> oh yeah they are nothing to be worried about.. back in the day the redback spider got its name and it stuck.. cuz back then we had outdoor toilets and they would make a home under the seat so you had to keep a can of fly spray out there handy and use it every time :)
[10:16:39] <archivist> ominous shark music starts
[10:16:48] <PetefromTn_> redback spiders deadly?
[10:16:55] <minibnz> snakes on the other hand have a habbit of comeing in an visiting you.
[10:17:14] <PetefromTn_> what kinda snakes?
[10:17:16] <minibnz> yeah they are related to the black widow.. but we have a antivenenom for it.
[10:19:13] <minibnz> the two that most people see are the red belly black and the brown. both are agressive as hell.. in general one is good to keep around as it keeps the other away.. they are not fatal but the most common one we hear about..
[10:20:06] <minibnz> the one that you really gotta worry about is the inland tiapan... also known as the 10stepper.. cuz thats all you get after you get bitten.. 10 steps. but they are only found in the upper half the country.
[10:20:30] <PetefromTn_> SHEEIT!!
[10:21:05] <PetefromTn_> where do you live?
[10:21:21] <minibnz> and the big thing to worry about in the oceans down here is the box jelly fish.. they are the size of a matchbox at most but have 18foot tenticles that sting like there is no tomorrow they can kill you but not really fast..
[10:21:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have heard about the box jellies
[10:21:43] <PetefromTn_> scary
[10:22:05] <minibnz> i am on the edge of sydney CBD.. but i go bush as often as i can find the time.. once a month is the goal..
[10:22:44] <minibnz> yeah a box jelly sting is the only reason i would be happy to have my mate piss on me.. it helps to dull the pain...
[10:23:08] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[10:23:30] <archivist> a few get eaten by sharks each year down there
[10:23:31] <minibnz> probably my biggest fear when i go bush is ticks.. gotta get the GF to inspect every inch of me when i get home.. its not that bad :)
[10:23:31] <PetefromTn_> I once stepped in a bed of sea urchins in a lagoon down in Florida at my Mother's Company picnic
[10:23:50] <PetefromTn_> lemme tell you THAT SUCKED
[10:24:00] <PetefromTn_> I was swimming and tired for a moment
[10:24:08] <PetefromTn_> so I stood up in the neck deep water
[10:24:17] <PetefromTn_> immediately felt the pain on my foot
[10:24:31] <minibnz> yeah we have been seeing a lot more shark attacks of late but its the swimmers/surfers fault 90% of the time.. early morn late evening is when the sharks are most active.. you should be in a pool at that time..
[10:24:41] <PetefromTn_> I kinda swam a foot or so to get away from whatever it was and put my other foot down to inspect my injured foot
[10:25:03] <PetefromTn_> and of course stepped on yet ANOTHER urchin
[10:25:06] <minibnz> dang.. they are nasty looking.
[10:25:13] <PetefromTn_> I had to swim to the shore
[10:25:22] <PetefromTn_> and crawl on my hands and knees
[10:25:27] <PetefromTn_> back to the picnic
[10:25:35] <PetefromTn_> and they took me to the hospital
[10:25:44] <PetefromTn_> hurt like a bitch
[10:25:58] <PetefromTn_> especially when they put the iodine and other goodies on it
[10:26:23] <PetefromTn_> could not walk for several weeks
[10:26:28] <minibnz> if you do come down dont let your kids play in the rock pools at the beach alone.. we have a blue ringed octopus thats pretty and deadly..
[10:26:36] <PetefromTn_> and apparently they can't remove the quills
[10:27:00] <PetefromTn_> so they kind of get absorbed by your body over time
[10:27:03] <minibnz> yeah those quils have spikes going backwards they gotta split you open to get them out...
[10:27:17] <PetefromTn_> for all I know they are still in there ;)
[10:27:18] <minibnz> biggest issue is the infection
[10:27:24] <PetefromTn_> yup exactly
[10:27:49] <minibnz> yeah we may look stupid swiming in crocs but meh...
[10:27:52] <PetefromTn_> that ringed octopus
[10:28:07] <PetefromTn_> is that the same one in the movie Octopussy?
[10:28:42] <PetefromTn_> you swim with Crocs????
[10:28:58] <minibnz> heheh nah its a tiny little oto that you find in rock pools.. has little blue circles on it so kids want to play with it.. when they bite thats it you pretty much done if you dont get to hospital..
[10:29:18] <minibnz> hehehe croc shoes.. you know those go awful plastic sandal things..
[10:29:46] <PetefromTn_> I mean we have alligators in South Florida but they are apparently not supposed to be as aggressive as Crocs
[10:30:06] <PetefromTn_> OH you meant the shoes DOH
[10:30:10] <minibnz> and the only lizzard type crocs you should swim with are the fresh water crocs.. they dont like the taste of humans.. but the saltwater ones can also be in fresh water too.. just to keep you on your toes..
[10:30:12] <PetefromTn_> I didn't catch that
[10:30:22] <_methods> unless someone throws it thru your window
[10:30:23] <_methods> lol
[10:30:30] <minibnz> heheheeh
[10:30:33] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[10:30:54] <PetefromTn_> so there are quite a few deadly crawlies down there it seems
[10:31:03] <minibnz> its pretty easy to work out if there are crocs in the water.. just let the mother inlaw go first..
[10:31:11] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[10:31:14] <_methods> buwhahaha
[10:31:14] <archivist> https://www.rt.com/usa/331920-wendys-alligator-florida-attack/
[10:31:16] <minibnz> yeah but they keep to themselves mostly..
[10:31:19] <PetefromTn_> bring you some chicken
[10:31:23] <_methods> archivist: that's the one
[10:31:42] <archivist> he want to move to florida :)
[10:31:55] <PetefromTn_> I was kind of surprised they now have peacock Bass in Florida
[10:31:59] <minibnz> oh wow.. they musta really screwed his order..
[10:32:04] <PetefromTn_> which is a South American species
[10:32:30] <minibnz> better a bass than a aligator gar fish. .they look nasty...
[10:32:34] <PetefromTn_> they get BIG and are quite aggressive feeders and fight like hell
[10:32:38] <archivist> croc with your fries sir?
[10:33:03] <PetefromTn_> The alligator gar is not here in tennessee apparently but I would love to catch one those things get big
[10:33:14] <PetefromTn_> but I have never heard of one attacking anyone
[10:33:30] <minibnz> oh and to top things off here.. we also have bull sharks in some of the rivers... they migrated when we had a major flood in QLD and moved inland and are breeding in the river without ever going to sea like they do in the rest of the world...
[10:33:50] <PetefromTn_> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BfPVNS1ZZ78/maxresdefault.jpg :D
[10:34:19] <minibnz> that river monster show said they are in the US but back in the day were hunted to near extinction to stop them attacking but they found they are comming back..
[10:34:21] <PetefromTn_> oh shit the bull shark is the most aggressive
[10:34:35] <minibnz> yeah they are nasty units..
[10:34:38] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah we have bull sharks too
[10:34:57] <PetefromTn_> in fact on that show he caught a big one in Fort Pierce Inlet as I recall
[10:34:59] <minibnz> i used to like the fact there was not much in a river that would hurt you..
[10:35:34] <minibnz> now i know there might be a bull shark in there it worries me.. gotta collect up some stray cats and use them as bait..
[10:35:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah that has never really been the case here. If its not sharks or deadly snakes it is bacteria that eats your brain LOL
[10:36:19] <minibnz> oh and i though you had it easy with only the guberment after you..
[10:36:38] <PetefromTn_> even here in Tennessee going down the river you see a lot of snakes sunning on the rocks... some of which are venomous
[10:37:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah we're screwed :D
[10:37:35] <minibnz> there is a famous picture of a snake up in the top end (the kimberly) of a snake dragging a full sized kangaroo out of the river.. a roo full size can weight 150kgs..
[10:37:59] <minibnz> the snake is a olive that is about 30feet long..
[10:38:06] <archivist> a roo will give you a good kicking
[10:38:12] <minibnz> it normally libes in the bush not the water..
[10:38:32] <PetefromTn_> maybe he was hungry?
[10:38:38] <minibnz> back in the 20's they used to full on box with them and loose...
[10:39:19] <minibnz> yeah that snake wouldnt have had to eat for a long time after that.. my mate has an oilve thats 18feet loong he feeds it rabbits..
[10:39:49] <minibnz> its a nice snake very placid.. unlike my black and gold jungle python that likes to tell you he's the boss..
[10:40:29] <PetefromTn_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3273989/Tourists-gasp-horror-jaguar-leaps-river-disappears-murky-water-emerges-CAIMAN-mouth.html
[10:40:42] <minibnz> that said i have only been bitten three times and i deserved it each time.. twice i was drunk an he was sleeping. the other time i got between him and his dinner..
[10:42:04] <PetefromTn_> screw that noise if I ever had a pet and it bit me I would be enjoying it for dinner man ;)
[10:42:04] <minibnz> dang he was hungry..
[10:44:45] <PetefromTn_> well I got some parts to machine here. Orders came in last night....
[10:45:12] <minibnz> its natural... you can train them to some degree.. its just a matter of ahndleing it more often.. i used to get itt out of its tank twice a week but now its only for feeding.. i should play with my snake more an get it used to it again
[10:45:26] <minibnz> yeah its 3am here im going to bed..
[10:45:32] <minibnz> talk with you all later..
[10:57:56] <Sync> gah
[10:57:59] <Sync> goddamn nema plugs
[10:58:24] <_methods> ?
[11:00:36] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/projects/3phase_troller/emi_rekt.jpg it left a nice dent in my power supply _methods
[11:00:56] <_methods> oh ouch
[11:03:13] <FloppyDisk> The seal doesn't look broken - you're good.
[11:03:18] <skunkworks> out plan for a spindle encoder on the matsurra..
http://imgur.com/a/UvDnl
[11:03:25] <skunkworks> our
[11:03:26] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/hvo/5444603753.html 2005 Wirtgen W2000 Milling Machine
[11:04:27] <_methods> not the milling machine you're looking for
[11:04:31] <FloppyDisk> skunkworks - looks good, I think that's the 'bottom' near the tool. maybe you can show morepix when you get it together.
[11:04:51] <_methods> is that the spindle shaft coupler?
[11:05:17] <skunkworks> the top part is part of the tool ejection puller
[11:05:25] <skunkworks> (split peice)
[11:05:27] <_methods> ahh
[11:05:52] <skunkworks> there isn't much room in there. so - if this works - it will fit
[11:07:17] <archivist> I had no space on the hobbing machine, so it is further up the gear train
[11:10:15] <skunkworks> vbelt driven.. If all else fails - it could go on the motor assuming it is 1:1
[11:11:44] <archivist> vbelts (and their slip) force where you put something
[11:12:35] <archivist> I made a disk encoder for the 5 axis which is fitted on the spindle v pulley
[11:13:35] <skunkworks> right - cradek has proven that if the belts are tight - putting it on the spindle motor works great for the short time you are syncing for rigid tapping
[11:14:49] <cradek> yeah it's not perfect, but it works ok for tapping on my machine
[11:15:16] <cradek> I also just hooked A to index so it starts wherever
[11:16:38] <skunkworks> which works great if you don't peck tap.. ;)
[11:20:07] <cradek> also you couldn't ever stick a lathe part in the spindle and hope to thread it
[11:20:27] <cradek> which I can actually imagine wanting to do
[11:20:39] <cradek> like maybe cutting threads on a toolholder
[11:24:40] <skunkworks> the gear isn't going to be perfectly quadrature... see if that is an issue
[11:25:14] <cradek> bet if you cut down the peaks it would be closer
[11:25:31] <cradek> and maybe adjusting the sensor distance would affect it
[11:30:44] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: is your matsuura the 500v2?
[11:34:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DAEWOO-PUMA-8-CNC-LATHE-FANUC-10T-EXCELLENT-/172091591594 US $2,550, Shipping: $29.59 !!!
[11:36:28] <CaptHindsight> CAN LOAD FOR FREE
[11:38:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hurco-MB2-CNC-milling-machine-/262285323231 US $850 has 7 for sale
[11:39:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hurco-CNC-MB1-milling-machine-/262284958352 US $1,400
[11:42:49] <Simonious> What does a typical SolidCam installation cost?
[11:43:27] <Simonious> Also... does fusion 360 handle a 4th axis now?
[11:48:34] <maxcnc> hi from a sunny day in germany
[11:50:20] <maxcnc> Simonious: about 1500Euros for solidcam 1Jear
[11:50:43] <maxcnc> year full suport including post mashining support
[11:51:06] <maxcnc> Simonious: what is your main work to be
[11:51:18] <maxcnc> prozessed
[11:53:44] <Erant> Huh
[11:53:51] <Erant> Any opinions on this guy:
http://www.wttool.com/index/page/product/product_id/43598/product_name/Jet+Hobby+Lathe&update_continue_shopping=true
[11:53:54] <Erant> ?
[11:54:03] <Jymmm> Electric hoverboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhQIVBkSxcI
[11:54:44] <archivist> Erant, a bit tiny for the price
[11:55:11] <Erant> archivist: It's give-or-take what the Chinese ones sell for.
[11:55:35] <archivist> I would not be getting new chinese
[11:55:46] <Erant> Right, I'm not.
[11:56:00] <Erant> I figured this being JET maybe it's better?
[11:56:19] <CaptHindsight> one must have the eyes of a fly, patience of a saint, and the speed of the mantis to get the best deals
[11:56:33] <enleth> or look for someone who imports Siegs as Siegs
[11:57:01] <enleth> supposedly they select better units for suppliers who don't rebrand
[11:57:23] <Erant> I'm not in a particular hurry, I just browse around.
[11:58:51] <DaViruz> that is most definitely a sieg c1, i believe they usually go for way less than that?
[11:58:57] <archivist> over here we get the real thing
http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathes
[11:59:34] <maxcnc> erant if you are in the US look at homedepo for a 499 one and refit it to cnc
[11:59:35] <archivist> discontinued model :)
[12:00:14] <DaViruz> http://www.siegind.com/products_detail/&productId=145.html
[12:00:15] <maxcnc> the liniars are real good rotwell from germany
[12:00:18] <DaViruz> what a strange contraption
[12:00:34] <DaViruz> a single rod bed like that can'
[12:00:36] <DaViruz> t be very good
[12:00:48] <Erant> DaViruz: I'd find it hard to believe JET would hang their name on a Sieg... But maybe I'm overestimating JET?
[12:00:59] <DaViruz> i have no idea what JET is
[12:01:26] <maxcnc> DaViruz: do you think than can stand hardwood ;-(
[12:01:37] <Erant> Semi-respected brand in the US.
[12:01:40] <archivist> DaViruz, that looks like a crap thing from the 1920s
[12:01:54] <t12> theres sure alot of cnc shops on instagram
[12:02:07] <DaViruz> archivist: i thought so too
[12:02:21] <maxcnc> archivist i dont think in that time sutch mashines where even thinked about mass steel used at that time
[12:02:22] <DaViruz> maybe they can produce it super cheap or something
[12:03:18] <archivist> there were a few british round beds in the 1920's 30s
[12:03:25] <maxcnc> archivist are you eurrop based
[12:03:31] <archivist> UK
[12:03:39] <enleth> Erant: funny, Siegs are actually the best small chinese lathes
[12:03:49] <Erant> enleth: I don't doubt it.
[12:04:01] <enleth> Erant: *if* you pay them enough, you will get a rather decent machine that's still quite cheap
[12:04:21] <enleth> But the one you linked wasn't just a C1, it was a butchered shitty C1
[12:04:27] <maxcnc> archivist there is a rotwell edm 350 at the stores in the uk
[12:04:34] <Erant> But from what I hear it's better to pick something like a decent Atlas over a new Sieg.
[12:04:39] <maxcnc> rotwerk
[12:04:48] <archivist> DaViruz,
http://www.lathes.co.uk/wade%20cva/
[12:04:52] <archivist> I had one
[12:04:55] <enleth> They clearly told Sieg "hey you chinese people, give us the cheapest small lathe you can do" and they delivered this
[12:05:03] <Erant> If I was going to get a Sieg, I'd get this one:
http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4959&category=1271799306
[12:05:21] <DaViruz> archivist: there must be pretty high pressures on whatever keeps the saddle from swinging around
[12:05:22] <maxcnc> nice
[12:05:39] <enleth> Erant: good choice, the price seems about right too
[12:05:55] <archivist> DaViruz, you have to hope the slot down the tube is ok
[12:05:57] <enleth> Erant: although I'd look for a bigger one
[12:06:22] <DaViruz> seems like it'd be very prone to wear, with pretty catastrophic results
[12:06:46] <Erant> I don't have a ton of space in my garage, so I sort of would top out at a Compact 8.
[12:06:49] <CaptHindsight> t12: well it would be silly for them to be on snapchat
[12:06:50] <archivist> I used mine once only, chattered to hell
[12:07:48] <enleth> Erant: the problem with getting a good, used, locally build lathe is that no one made home shop-sized lathes in the past
[12:08:07] <DaViruz> sure they did
[12:08:09] <enleth> it's either tiny watchmaker's lathes or 400kg+ tool lathes
[12:08:20] <t12> snapchat is just for machine crashes
[12:08:22] <DaViruz> oh locally
[12:08:29] <archivist> southbend and atlas
[12:08:39] <Erant> enleth: It's pretty much an Atlas 618, or an Enco Compact 8.
[12:08:40] <CaptHindsight> you much lighter and it's a toy that chatters and flexes
[12:08:44] <archivist> to name two over there
[12:08:52] <CaptHindsight> and it hard to find someone just giving it away
[12:08:55] <Erant> archivist: Haven't found any small southbends yet.
[12:09:00] <Erant> They're all big.
[12:09:14] <CaptHindsight> small is 1K lbs
[12:09:29] <archivist> the 9" is a bench mount
[12:09:35] <CaptHindsight> old shopsmiths and sears metal lathes
[12:09:36] <enleth> Maybe in the US there is something because home shop culture is a bit older there, but I bet finding a 150-200kg lathe suitable for home use is still hard over there
[12:09:37] <malcom2073> Southbend 9 is about 300lbs
[12:09:38] <malcom2073> whatever that is in kg
[12:09:48] <Erant> ~150
[12:09:51] <enleth> In Europe? Close to impossible
[12:10:06] <archivist> Myfords in UK
[12:10:29] <enleth> And some rare German stuff on the continent
[12:10:36] <Erant> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/tls/5441434691.html
[12:10:47] <Erant> Which, that one I'd hate to use because it's so pretty.
[12:10:54] <archivist> hundreds to search for
http://www.lathes.co.uk/
[12:11:26] <archivist> Schaublin and Lorch for clockmakers
[12:11:43] <maxcnc> enleth: you can get a traub all over europ
[12:12:02] <Erant> enleth: And I was looking at this guy, but there's some transportation issues:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/tls/5404331205.html
[12:12:06] <enleth> BTW, I found a mid-sized 1912 tool lathe in pristine condition on an auction site here in Poland, approx. $2k, almost took a loan to buy it
[12:12:10] <DaViruz> http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/romyald/schaublin%20102n/Schaublin001.jpg
[12:12:17] <enleth> It was absolutely beautiful and fully operational.
[12:12:22] <DaViruz> did someone decide to just chop it off, or did they make a model like that?
[12:12:29] <archivist> dont touch hobbymat MD65 with a barge pole
[12:13:03] <Erant> And I'm going to wave at this guy as it goes by for $6k:
http://www.ashmancompany.com/auctions/021716/03.jpg
[12:13:44] <enleth> Erant: that Atlas looks easy enough to move, what's the problem?
[12:14:12] <CaptHindsight> if maker spaces had large surface plates then people might be able to build precision machines for less
[12:14:50] <enleth> CaptHindsight: define large
[12:14:56] <Erant> enleth: It's far away, I'm current car license-less, the wife isn't up for driving 6 total hours to go get me more greasy metal and the quotes for getting it moved are about as much as the thing is worth.
[12:15:03] <CaptHindsight> $2k for a cnc glue gun would be better spent on a large surface plate
[12:15:22] <enleth> heh
[12:15:26] <CaptHindsight> 1m x 1m or larger
[12:16:25] <enleth> I can get a brand new granite 1x1 for a lot less than that I think, and I'm actually seriously considering that for the Hackerspace shop
[12:16:37] <t12> also if everything at maker spaces wasnt trashed
[12:18:30] <enleth> t12: I've heard a lot of drama stories about SF area hacker/makerspaces, but from my experience, this is manageable
[12:19:05] <Erant> There's a couple of places that are good. TechShop is great in my experience.
[12:19:06] <enleth> people do dumb things with shared equipment when it's not properly and clearly labeled and it's not obvious where to put things back
[12:19:34] <enleth> especially putting things back where they belong needs a very clear and obvious system
[12:20:21] <CaptHindsight> Hackerspace orientation class #1: Organization, cleaning and safety
[12:20:30] <DaViruz> i tend to have my things in a mess
[12:20:53] <DaViruz> but at work i never make messes. it doesn't work when more people are involved
[12:20:55] <enleth> when it takes more than 5 seconds to figure out where to put something, people drop it wherever possible
[12:21:18] <DaViruz> i wish my coworkers shared that sentiment though
[12:21:28] <CaptHindsight> #2 How to share space, equipment and ideas without being a douche
[12:21:38] <enleth> so tools need to be color coded with heatshrinks on the handles, for example
[12:21:49] <enleth> and tool cabinets need to be painted the same color all over
[12:22:29] <enleth> also, one absolutely indispensable thing is a big "DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT SOMETHING? LEAVE IT HERE!" box
[12:22:47] <enleth> it's *much* better to have clueless people put random shit in one place than all over the place
[12:22:49] <CaptHindsight> #3: Did I ask for your advice? And how not to irritate people.
[12:22:54] <DaViruz> enleth: that's a pretty good idea actually
[12:23:17] <enleth> and it's *much* easier for someone who actually knows where things belong to sort a single box than to gather a shitload of stuff from all over the place
[12:23:34] <enleth> they need to do that anyway, so why not make it easier
[12:24:23] <DaViruz> until someone knows well where everything belongs, and just dumps it all in the box because he cant be bothered to put them in their correct locations
[12:24:23] <enleth> I guess the random shit drop box is even more important than labeling cabinets and tools
[12:24:42] <enleth> DaViruz: they will be caught eventually
[12:24:55] <CaptHindsight> easy, big box marked TOOLS
[12:25:05] <enleth> if they know where things belong, they probably are regulars
[12:25:27] <CaptHindsight> wouldn't a tool go back to where it came from?
[12:25:31] <enleth> the problem is with people who are members and drop by every two weeks in the morning to cut something
[12:25:33] <DaViruz> it belongs whereever you take it out from usually
[12:25:52] <CaptHindsight> or do people randomly just take tools from someones workspace?
[12:26:01] <enleth> not if you genuinly need to use a few dozen tools at once for a whole day
[12:26:17] <enleth> woodworking tools are prone to this
[12:26:55] <enleth> you need a huge amount of clamps, chisels, planes, several hammers and an assortment of other crap, all at the same time, for at least several hours, maybe more
[12:27:14] <enleth> a human can keep track of, like, four objects at a time
[12:27:24] <CaptHindsight> RFID all tools and then have a pinger go faster or slower based on how close it it to its storage locations
[12:27:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: <-- GEEK
[12:27:53] <enleth> get 25 and even the best of us will not be able to focus on putting them back where they came from over and over again
[12:28:04] <DaViruz> most makerspaces i've seen have been 3d printer and arduino communities. if it was a pretty decent workshop it would be pretty useful
[12:28:05] <archivist> just found some useful data
http://anglo-swiss-tools.co.uk/downloads/
[12:28:31] <CaptHindsight> color code everything
[12:28:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: <-- FASHION GEEK
[12:28:59] <archivist> barcode and a map
[12:29:33] <CaptHindsight> have weekly contest for: things best put away
[12:29:59] <maxcnc> on tooling i did the best way organice a toolsupplyer next to your shop to open a shop COOL
[12:30:28] <Jymmm> Have it all look like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8nbHYOc8ns
[12:30:35] <maxcnc> so only 60yards walk to paradise
[12:31:29] <enleth> DaViruz:
https://hackerspace.pl/~informatic/photos/warsztat/IMG_6316%20-%20IMG_6331-better.jpg https://hackerspace.pl/~informatic/photos/warsztat2/IMG_6399%20-%20IMG_6410.jpg - quite old photos but I don't have anything more recent. There are some new machines there now
[12:32:54] <enleth> DaViruz: this room is exactly 1/4 of the Warsaw Hackerspace's floor space, not much, but enough for a team of several people to work on something bigger and one or two other members doing something smaller
[12:34:58] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: yes
[12:35:18] <CaptHindsight> enleth: I don't follow you. What are the 25 tool spread out over?
[12:35:46] <enleth> CaptHindsight: the floor for example
[12:36:04] <enleth> CaptHindsight: like when we were working on a desktop MAME arcade cabinet
[12:36:15] <CaptHindsight> I easily have that many or more on my bench at any time and I can find their home near instantly
[12:37:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: The difference is that you give a shit.
[12:38:08] <enleth> CaptHindsight: but you know what they are and use them all the time - a shared shop is often used by people who are not entirely familliar with the tools and don't have the layout memorized
[12:39:01] <enleth> but they have to learn *somewhere* so I won't just tell them to bugger off and keep out of the room
[12:39:28] <Jymmm> I bet if you charged a $5 deposit per tool removed, it would get organized PDQ!
[12:40:24] <CaptHindsight> or had to wear a suit containing ferrets for not returning them to their proper location at the end of the day
[12:40:24] <enleth> one thing I will probably put in a locked cabinet opened with a member card are the indicators, calipers, mikes, etc.
[12:40:29] <enleth> too expensive and delicate
[12:40:37] <_methods> hahah
[12:40:49] <_methods> you PUT ON ZE FERRET SACK NOOOWOWWWWWW
[12:40:53] <enleth> other than that, the dump box is fine
[12:41:01] <CaptHindsight> enleth: do they leave the space or just not get stored properly?
[12:41:42] <enleth> CaptHindsight: they're not idiot proof and are too easily damaged by someone inexperienced or careless
[12:41:59] <enleth> it's one thing if some kludge drops a hammer, it's another when they drop a mike
[12:42:15] <Jymmm> enleth: Make this a project for storing gear
https://logisticsmgepsupv.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/vending-9.jpg
[12:42:56] <Jymmm> enleth: they get charged a deposit for removing an itme, and refunded when it's returned to it's proper cubbyhole
[12:43:44] <enleth> as for the dump box - when I sort that stuff I usually get one of the new guys to help me
[12:44:00] <enleth> so they learn where the tools should be
[12:44:08] <Loetmichel2> enleth: depends on the mike thp
[12:44:09] <enleth> sometimes even what the tools are and how to call them
[12:44:10] <Loetmichel2> tho
[12:44:29] <Loetmichel2> an SM58 is not damaged by a fall smaller than a dozen feet or so ;)
[12:44:35] <enleth> a few rounds and they're able to figure out where to put what
[12:44:50] <_methods> i think you should just put people in the ferret sack anyways
[12:45:00] <_methods> best CaptHindsight idea ever
[12:45:02] <enleth> also, sometimes people genuinely are in a hurry when they did not expect it
[12:45:21] <enleth> in that case it's better to use the dump box than to leave shit scattered about
[12:46:02] <enleth> and just drop an email like "sorry for leaving all that stuff, someone sort it and ask me for a beer"
[12:46:19] <Jymmm> enleth: Charge them a "Momma doens't work here" fee =)
[12:46:29] <enleth> that's the beer
[12:47:47] <Jymmm> Isnt that how most toolrooms do it... you have them a chip with employee# on it
[12:48:16] <Jymmm> you want to checkout a tool, hand them a chip
[12:51:05] <enleth> Jymmm: if you have someone sitting there handling that, sure
[12:51:26] <enleth> automating this is an option but it gets very expensive very fast
[12:52:09] <enleth> lots and lots of RFID=/NFC/barcode/whatever readers and solenoids or whatever actuators are needed to keep something locked
[12:52:34] <Jymmm> enleth: stun guns are cheap =)
[12:53:10] <enleth> tell me about it
[12:53:37] <CaptHindsight> so should I use 20 or 22ga SS?
[12:53:41] <enleth> during the banggood sale they sold integrated stun gun step-up converters for a dollar
[12:53:49] <enleth> we got a bunch of those
[12:53:52] <enleth> fun stuff
[12:54:03] <Jymmm> electrify each section, they have to swipe a badge or getzapped
[12:55:09] <enleth> but they're loud as fuck when they arc
[12:55:49] <_methods> CaptHindsight: for what?
[12:55:55] <_methods> for teh ferret box?
[12:55:56] <Jymmm> AWESOME built in indicator that someone fubar'ed =)
[13:26:26] <CaptHindsight> http://images.craigslist.org/00N0N_d6mVAZHrOXw_600x450.jpg pre-70's bandsaw?
[13:34:08] <_methods> old portaband
[13:34:34] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
[13:34:51] <FinboySlick> The liight on the sawblade makes it look like someone made a moebius strip.
[13:45:13] <CaptHindsight> ordered SSR boards compatible with *duino got Mega2560's
[13:48:13] <gregcnc> did you find your buttons?
[13:49:27] <CaptHindsight> Steiner for immediate needs
[13:50:01] <CaptHindsight> also decided to order a few of everything just to have on hand
[13:50:55] <gregcnc> postman should be bring me relays, disconnect, and breakers from ebay today
[13:51:06] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: need anything from metal supermarkets? making a run later
[13:52:40] <gregcnc> not at this time. how long to have an order ready with them?
[13:54:17] <CaptHindsight> I just show up by 4
[13:54:25] <CaptHindsight> at Rockford
[13:54:47] <CaptHindsight> unless it's lots of cuts
[14:19:56] <pink_vampire> hi
[14:21:07] <gregcnc> did you find a power supply?
[14:31:13] <pink_vampire> yes
[14:32:16] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: ^
[15:15:05] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIJJEDTZFW0 - fun
[15:15:12] <SpeedEvil> dead endmill reuse
[15:19:07] <rob_h> i knew griding the ends into lathe tools was a waste of time next time i know what todo
[15:32:23] <Limix> Hi
[15:32:29] <Crom> there you is..
[15:33:01] <Crom> Limix is looking to build a press with 0.1mm resulution and needs a consultant
[15:33:11] <Limix> Thank you Crom
[15:33:33] <Limix> yes, we are based in Los Angeles, but open to working with anyone remotely
[15:34:05] <Crom> AndyPugh is gone for 10 days skiing. He's the real brains here
[15:34:25] <Crom> XXCoder is real good too
[15:34:25] <Limix> thank you Crom
[15:34:52] <Crom> Yuck, LA booo hisss I'm in Riverside county, Temecula
[15:35:23] <Limix> not too far
[15:35:42] <Crom> though I must say, I have to go to the fashion district at least once a year to get fabric/hoops, supplies
[15:36:03] <_methods> i think i'll just keep sending the broken endmills out for carbide scrap lol
[15:37:09] <Crom> Limix, what size restraints are you looking?
[15:37:46] <Crom> looking at
[15:38:16] <Limix> I need to press out about a 15 inch ball of dough
[15:38:19] <Limix> to 3mm
[15:38:40] <Limix> it’s a very stiff mix and requires about 800 pounds
[15:39:11] <Crom> so it also has to be foodsafe
[15:39:11] <Limix> I built a manual hand press with about 7’ of handle for leverage but it doesn’t work well enough
[15:39:18] <Limix> yes
[15:39:36] <_methods> so you already have the die and press chamber designed?
[15:39:43] <Crom> 15" ball to 3mm thick, how big of circle?
[15:40:21] <Limix> Sorry Crom, wish I came here earlier, I have to run, but will be back in a few hours and will try to catch you again
[15:40:53] <Crom> anyone should be able to help a bit _methods is real good too
[15:41:46] <_methods> sounds like he has a lot of the work done already
[15:44:00] <rob_h> making cookies :)
[15:44:59] <Crom> anyone should be able to help a bit _methods is real good too
[15:47:55] <_methods> stop tellin lies about me
[15:50:59] <srdc> I just finished(?) converting from Anilam Crusader GX-M control to LinuxCNC with Mesa 5i25/7i77 setup...I ran into some problems during a peck drill cycle with the z-axis stopping motion, while the GUI kept reading out velocity as if it was still pecking.
[15:51:19] <Erant> srdc: Did your drive fault?
[15:51:27] <srdc> No.
[15:51:34] <srdc> I'll double check, but I don't think so
[15:51:40] <srdc> Because it's connected to the E-Stop circuit
[15:51:55] <srdc> So if the drive faulted, it should have de-enabled all drives.
[15:52:04] <Erant> Hmm. That's usually what it is for me...
[15:52:23] <Erant> Could you jog the axis manually after?
[15:52:23] <srdc> Good point tho ... I'm doubting myself now. I'll double-hceck to make sure.
[15:52:27] <srdc> No.
[15:52:32] <srdc> Not until I disabled/re-enabled.
[15:52:42] <srdc> Hmmm...
[15:52:57] <Erant> Herp. That sucks. I have to cycle power on mine when a drive faults.
[15:53:13] <srdc> That does seem like a drive fault. I was using a large-diameter (dull) bit ... maybe it was loading it too much.
[15:53:13] <Erant> (But that's just 'cause I'm lazy and haven't hooked up the RS485 yet)
[15:53:18] <srdc> LOL
[15:53:26] <srdc> Lemme look again now that you mentioned that.
[15:53:47] <srdc> Also ... M3 doesn't activate the spindle-cw, but the GUI button does... any idea on that?
[15:54:01] <Erant> Eh, _methods?
[15:54:09] <Erant> I have set up my spindle to my Mesa yet.
[15:54:13] <Erant> Haven't*
[15:54:48] <srdc> I'll hafta look into that more. Off to check into that drive fault ...
[15:54:51] <rob_h> paste your hal sure someone can spot it
[15:55:00] <srdc> Will do ...
[15:55:06] <srdc> hafta go get it off the controller computer
[15:55:10] <srdc> I'll be back...
[15:55:11] <Deejay> gn8
[17:17:58] <witnit> Last night was fun guys, I have a 7i33 driving a turret lathe, then wired in an old 6 axis motoman robot, vibrating bowl, pneumatic vise and auto drilling head and had them all running together :)
[17:59:08] <JT-Shop> nice
[18:44:05] <minibnz> hey got a question.. i have these diamond cutting discs.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10-pcs-50mm-2-inch-Diamond-coated-rotary-cutting-cut-off-blade-wheels-disc-/261287597014?hash=item3cd5f453d6:g:adMAAOxyB0VRvDYp
[18:44:06] <minibnz> i made beter arbor that suits my mill its nice 10mm steel has a little runout but thats not overly important to the question, how do i know when the disc is dead? when do i replace the disc with the next one?
[18:44:42] <minibnz> i am using it to shape HSS and carbide fly cutters it does surprisingly well considering the lowish speed i am running them at 3000rpm
[18:51:33] <Erant> When it breaks?
[18:52:56] <minibnz> hehehe i was thinking bout stopping before that you know when you see the coolant start to glow and steam instantly
[18:53:11] <Sync> well, they will just stop cutting
[18:56:17] <minibnz> ok so if i see material still comming of the peice i will keep going.. wil they change diameter much between new and dead?
[18:57:23] <Erant> They should be steel backed, so I doubt it.
[18:58:05] <minibnz> yeah they are steel just thought they might shink say 0.5mm or so over their life. nothing noticiable to the eye
[18:59:45] <Sync> they have the diamond embedded into a nickel layer
[18:59:49] <Sync> it is pretty thin.
[19:06:17] <witnit> minibnz: although having never used anything like this I almost wonder if you could shine a bright light on it and compare the reflective properties of the surface to an unused cutter as well as a clearly worn cutter and judge within reason by the lack of reflections due to diamond loss.
[19:07:26] <witnit> maybe there is a scatter pattern you can bounce to a sheet of paper with a laser that would also help determine wear.
[19:25:19] <minibnz> witnit thats a very interesting idea. at the moment when i look at the disc its a bit clogged up so that might have a influence on the accuracy of that.. but i do like the idea..
[19:26:31] <minibnz> the diamond particles look like they go about 10mm from the outer edge and i have been using it sideways as well as the edge so it might die a bit quicker
[19:27:31] <minibnz> just gotta pay attention to how well its cutting.. bassicaly i will gcode a single pass that is nice and slow.. add coolant and come back and check on things and then adjust. it wont be done with a one step operation
[19:29:08] <minibnz> at the moment i am rebuilding the mosfet drivers and adding a bigger fan to the top of the electronics box cuz my mill locked up half way thru cutting a gear.. the axis just stopped the screen was black and the box was really warm so i dont blame it for stopping.. just gotta make it happier :)
[19:29:47] <minibnz> i found its rather hard to cut a neat ciircle with the electronics driving my mill.. (dont own a hole saw)
[19:30:08] <minibnz> i settled on a decagon
[19:30:32] <Erant> Euh
[19:30:45] <minibnz> wont impead flow very much and the lines are easy to follow than a circle by hand.
[19:31:06] <Erant> G02 or G03 will cut you a fine circle
[19:31:40] <minibnz> not when the electonics is not connected cuz i am cutting a hole in its housing and cant do that without letting out the magic smoke when the chips hit the PC inside it.
[19:32:11] <minibnz> oops i missed the out of without.
[19:33:14] <Erant> Ah. What are the FET drivers for? Your spindle?
[19:33:31] <Erant> (Which, that reminds me, I should tear my spindle apart and take out the electronics)
[19:33:32] <minibnz> it was getting far too hot.. i might still have to go borrow a hole saw so i can get the mains power in/out of the cabinet without pinchin it in the door.. cant be arsed to take the 48 screw out of the cabinet top :)
[19:34:12] <minibnz> they are to drive my coolant pump a high speed DC motor and the LEDs that adorn my mill making it pretty and useable at the same time :)
[19:35:44] <minibnz> had a software glitch and the coolant pump locked on and fried a mosfet that and i killed another one a wile ago.. so now its time to do the driver board with better mosfets that are being driven correctly.. i can also remove the power supply for the grizzly DRO's that i am not using as they are too slow for what i wanted to do with them.
[19:36:49] <minibnz> this mill was sitting at my mates workshop for a few years while it was there all these little problems showed up and now it have brought it home (he closed his shop) i haev a chance to fix them all.
[19:37:46] <minibnz> going to also move the mosfet board onto the lid of the box to make connecting things easier/possible :)
[19:40:06] <minibnz> but in the future i will need to have a way to drive a electric linear actuator to use as a ATC plus maybe two more stepper drivers. i have 4 of 5 in use at the moment but i think i need another two but they are lower power so i might keep the heavy one spare incase i blow an axis up. dont have to take board out to keep going..
[19:42:11] <minibnz> while i am at it i might add support for an encoder on the spindle incase i get tricky in the future and want to hobb gears :)
[19:42:40] <minibnz> been reading about how to make the hobbs.. its not that much more work that a single cutter
[19:52:05] <srdc> Erant: you were helping me earlier with a drive-fault ...
[19:52:07] <srdc> you were right
[19:52:41] <srdc> I hadn't paid attention to the drill bit when I grabbed it because I wasn't worried about the hole quality
[19:53:37] <srdc> But it had been hand-sharpened previously ... and had a negative rake angle ... so it was basically trying to punch through 3/4" of steel
[19:53:56] <srdc> thus ... the drive itself disabled and naturally things hiccuped.
[19:56:37] <srdc> On another note, does anybody have a clue why the GUI button would activate spindle-clockwise, but M3 doesn't?
[19:56:45] <srdc> M5 stops the spindle just fine
[19:57:16] <srdc> and M3 makes the spindle-CW button on the GUI 'depress' ... but the spindle won't start turning until I actually click the GUI button.
[19:57:20] <_methods> did you give it a spindle speed with the m3?
[19:57:33] <srdc> Nope
[19:57:37] <_methods> try that
[19:57:45] <srdc> Duh
[19:57:57] <_methods> hehe
[19:58:07] <_methods> don't ask me how i know that
[19:58:38] <srdc> Seems to be the best way of learning...
[19:58:42] <srdc> Thanks!
[19:58:55] <_methods> after you give it m3 with a spindle speed you should be able to give it a naked m3 and spindle should start
[19:59:00] <_methods> but not on all machines
[19:59:13] <_methods> some machines you always have to issue a spindle speed with m3/m4
[20:00:12] <srdc> OK ... guess I've been so busy getting it all wired up that I forgot that little tidbit from the old Anilam
[20:01:53] <_methods> i used to run a viper with a meldas controller and i think that machine would start the spindle from the last commanded speed even after a power off
[20:02:26] <_methods> i kinda liked those meldas controllers but they were definitely different than any other machine
[20:03:33] <_methods> anilam's are kinda annoying
[20:03:42] <_methods> i never liked their weird offset system
[20:05:09] <srdc> They definitely had some quirks.
[20:05:41] <_methods> mazatrol and anilam are the only 2 that i'd really prefer not to deal with
[20:06:21] <_methods> i normally just push in eia to mazaks so i don't have to deal with the mazatrol trash
[20:06:54] <srdc> can't argue with what works
[20:07:12] <srdc> I figure there's a reason the Anilams aren't around anymore.
[20:07:19] <_methods> yeah i just like plain old gcode
[20:08:03] <srdc> Same here - the Anilam had all these fancy canned cycles and quirky G-code. A lot simpler (and easier to interface with CAM) now that we're running LCNC
[20:08:30] <_methods> yeah it seems like the more energy they put into trying to make something simple the worse it turns out to be
[20:08:42] <minibnz> i added a switch to my speed controller yesterday, its a three way center off switch, emc drives a pwm signal to my MCU that drives the RC servo this switch selects between CNC off and Manual, it works well had to add power shut off to the servo when in manual mode so i could overide the gcode speeds in manual mode.
[20:09:16] <_methods> i love fanuc, it never changes
[20:09:25] <_methods> or if it does it changes at a glacial pace
[20:09:40] <minibnz> and a G3 is the same as G4 for me.. i dont have direction control that would require me to hook up another net in the hal file to toggle a relay. do you have this setup?
[20:09:42] <srdc> They sorta rule backwards compatibility in controllers
[20:10:08] <_methods> i know what to expect when i walk up to a fanuc controller
[20:10:20] <_methods> with mazak i never know
[20:10:39] <minibnz> _methods my mate has a large mill running a faunc controller.. looks 80's ish but its complaining that the axis are locked and we cant get it to do anything. got any ideas on what gcodes i could try to make the beast come alive..
[20:11:00] <_methods> well if the axes ar locked there is something going on
[20:11:06] <_methods> it won't be a gcode that unlocks it
[20:11:35] <minibnz> ah ok thats sort of the same conclusion we came to as well.. just cant work out what is not responding..
[20:11:47] <_methods> it could be any number of causes and without an error code i wouldn't have a chance of helping
[20:11:52] <minibnz> its probably an encoder unplugged or somethign like that..
[20:12:14] <minibnz> ok i can probably get the error code.. i just dont have it on hand
[20:12:17] <_methods> the fanuc codes are trypically helpful
[20:12:48] <_methods> and the userbase is so large its very easy to find someone that has the same problem or get help
[20:12:50] <minibnz> the error that we looked up basically told us that the axis was locked but we could work out much more than that..
[20:12:58] <_methods> another plus for fanuc controls in my book
[20:13:05] <minibnz> sweet.. )
[20:13:46] <minibnz> might hit you up in the future if i get stuck.. sorta reasuring that we are heading down the right path..
[20:14:16] <_methods> yeah i mean i'd check all the relays related to that axis
[20:14:42] <_methods> in my experience with a locked axis it has usually been a sensor or relay related to the particular axis
[20:15:04] <minibnz> yeah we are planning on tearing it down to see what we can find.. just didnt want to do that if it was just a simple fix.
[20:15:14] <_methods> and worst case scenario is it's in the actual fanuc drive/controller
[20:15:38] <minibnz> well then i step in with linuxcnc and a mesa card :)
[20:15:40] <_methods> typical fanuc response is to just pop the whole thing out and replace
[20:15:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-trackball-m570
[20:15:52] <_methods> which is the negative side of fanuc
[20:15:56] <Tom_itx> anybody use one of those for cad?
[20:16:02] <_methods> nah i just use a mouse
[20:16:15] <srdc> same here
[20:16:24] <Tom_itx> the mouse i have on that pc really sucks
[20:16:25] <srdc> people love trackballs ... but they're a pain to get used to
[20:16:26] <_methods> i tried using that stupid space thing
[20:16:35] <Tom_itx> the middle scroll doesn't work right as a button
[20:16:39] <minibnz> it does mean they can tell you exactly how long before you machine is up and running which could be a big plus in manufacturing
[20:16:39] <_methods> space mouse or whateer it is
[20:16:43] <Tom_itx> the space thing sucks
[20:16:49] <_methods> yeah
[20:16:49] <Tom_itx> they have those at the lab
[20:17:01] <_methods> i use so many keyboard shortcuts that thing just slows me down
[20:17:06] <Tom_itx> i used to use a wired version of the one i posted years ago and liked it
[20:17:14] <_methods> i have keybinds linked to all my stuff
[20:17:16] <Tom_itx> i picked up one of the wireless ones and am trying it
[20:17:22] <Tom_itx> i think i'll like it
[20:17:35] <Tom_itx> i got it set up for catia so it works pretty well
[20:17:40] <minibnz> oh that reminds me.. i gotta add wifi to the milliscule...
[20:18:00] <minibnz> no more blue string :)
[20:18:21] <Tom_itx> haven't tried it in sw yet
[20:19:01] <Tom_itx> works much better than my old one for pan zoom and rotate
[20:19:19] <Tom_itx> those basically didn't work on the old mouse
[20:19:33] <_methods> really?
[20:19:44] <minibnz> i need to find some drivers for my windows VM that will let me use my apple magic mouse fully..
[20:19:53] <_methods> i use shift/ctrl/alt
[20:19:56] <_methods> and mouse
[20:19:58] <Tom_itx> yeah and it's a logitech 2 button/ scroll
[20:20:13] <Tom_itx> _methods for solidworks right/
[20:20:14] <Tom_itx> ?
[20:20:19] <_methods> oh yeah without middlemouse that would suck
[20:20:24] <Tom_itx> :D
[20:20:39] <Tom_itx> it just takes off to another planet when i push it on the old mouse
[20:20:45] <minibnz> what does middle mouse do in SW? my mouse dont got it.. dont tell me its OK
[20:20:57] <_methods> i use it for pan
[20:20:59] <_methods> zoom
[20:21:29] <Tom_itx> in catia a combination of the middle and right do rotate pan and zoom
[20:21:31] <minibnz> ahh ok i use the up/down scroll for that.. want pan on the left right scoll but windows cant see it
[20:21:37] <_methods> yeah every program is diff
[20:21:43] <Tom_itx> depending on how you select them
[20:21:52] <_methods> it gets confusing when you're running 3 or 4 diff cad/cam program
[20:21:53] <Tom_itx> middle is pan
[20:22:02] <Tom_itx> middle with right click is zoom
[20:22:04] <_methods> swapping between them
[20:22:07] <Tom_itx> middle and righ held is rotate
[20:22:22] <minibnz> i dont use windowz enough for to know this.. i use solidwoks and altium in a VM on a mac
[20:22:39] <Tom_itx> so i mapped one of those little buttons on the left to be the middle button
[20:22:51] <Tom_itx> actually makes it pretty handy that way
[20:23:35] <Tom_itx> i think i'll like it. and i haven't had a new toy in a while :)
[20:24:10] <_methods> hehe
[20:24:23] <_methods> i've been on a toy spree lately
[20:24:25] <Tom_itx> cheap thrill
[20:24:31] <_methods> got the welder and the horizontal
[20:24:58] <_methods> replaced my $130 capacitor and welder is back up now
[20:25:05] <Tom_itx> i suppose they all do but this has a place in the battery compartment for the usb dongle
[20:26:50] <Erant> How do spindles normally get controlled from a Mesa?
[20:27:03] <Tom_itx> analog or pwm
[20:27:09] <Tom_itx> depending on the control
[20:27:29] <Tom_itx> mine is 0-10v most are +-10v
[20:27:47] <Erant> So I have an 'open loop' ( no encoder) brushless spindle with an MC33035 brushless controller.
[20:28:38] <Erant> The normal way of setting speed is a pot, and it has a display with the RPM, and this is controlled by a little ATMega.
[20:29:22] <Erant> I'm looking at the datasheet for the brushless controller, and it says you can control speed by a speed pot, or a PWM signal in closed operation.
[20:29:32] <Tom_itx> my sherline had a pot and i hacked it to run 0-10v
[20:29:56] <Erant> That's what I was going to do here.
[20:30:02] <Erant> What's the feedback, if any?
[20:30:14] <Tom_itx> i added an encoder to the spindle
[20:30:52] <Erant> I would've thought hal effect sensors would be enough for speed control...
[20:30:56] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/timing_pulley_index.php
[20:31:09] <Tom_itx> i wanted to do rigid tapping
[20:31:28] <Erant> Oh nice.
[20:31:56] <Erant> Ok, so you needed position control, fair enough.
[20:32:07] * Erant goes back to reading datasheet some more.
[20:32:31] <Erant> I may just tear the PCB out and beep it out to see what they're doing.
[20:32:44] <Erant> And 'worst case' I'll dump the ATMega and reverse the code.
[20:35:20] <Erant> I actually wonder if I could get a better controller. I have to slow my cuts down because it takes the controller a little while to figure out the right power after my end mill engages the material.
[20:35:46] <Erant> Slows the spindle down until it can add enough juice to compensate for the engagement.
[20:36:16] <Erant> Takes it like a second, but that's enough to create a chipload my little machine can't handle.
[20:38:34] <Erant> Ah, ok, looks like the ATMega closes the loop using the hall sensors.
[20:41:18] <_methods> omg this is hilarious
[20:41:20] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldu0xxmrutw
[20:41:32] <_methods> around 5min mark
[20:42:01] <_methods> he rigged up his mig gun to a cnc built with skateboard wheels
[20:42:42] <_methods> he even filmed the trash man showin up at his house
[20:43:30] <Erant> That. Looks pretty good.
[20:45:11] <Erant> Wonder if you could do FDM with this :P
[20:46:00] <_methods> already been done
[20:46:05] <Erant> I figured.
[20:47:07] <Erant> So it looks like I can just wire the existing pot to my 7i78.
[20:47:48] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA
[20:47:55] <Erant> Which doesn't sound great.
[20:48:04] <_methods> laser sinter 5 axis mill
[20:50:15] <Erant> Ok that's fucking amazing.
[20:51:19] <_methods> hahah so is the price tag
[20:52:12] <Erant> I don't doubt it, but that is some sexy shit right there.
[20:52:27] <_methods> yeah
[20:54:56] <Erant> Meanwhile I'm trying to find a fuse holder in my parts bin because the one on my mill is shit.
[20:59:51] <Erant> Huh, I honestly thought I had one...
[21:00:39] <Erant> Probably threw it out thinking "when am I ever going to need this"
[21:01:54] <_methods> hehe
[21:02:04] <_methods> i may have done that before
[21:02:13] <t12> https://hgpauction.hibid.com/catalog/71802/ampex
[21:02:18] <t12> ampex machine shop up for auction?
[21:06:13] <_methods> oh nice
[21:06:16] <_methods> hlv-h
[21:06:21] <_methods> and a rotex punch
[21:06:42] <_methods> that victor is a nice lathe too
[21:06:43] <t12> small parts bins for life
[21:07:33] <t12> https://hgpauction.hibid.com/lot/23558287/assorted-toolboxes/?ref=catalog
[21:07:38] <t12> a lifetime supply of kennedy boxes
[21:07:53] <t12> https://hgpauction.hibid.com/lot/23558288/assorted-toolboxes/?ref=catalog
[21:08:22] <_methods> bunch of nice old oscopes
[21:09:16] <Erant> I've got an HLV-H coming up in a local auction soon.
[21:09:45] <t12> dang i guess they're shutting that whole thing down? reception desk and such up for auction too
[21:09:46] <Erant> Big Mori Seiki and a Wabeco.
[21:10:50] <_methods> i just saw an hlv-h go at auction for $14k
[21:10:57] <Erant> Damn.
[21:11:00] <_methods> yeah
[21:11:13] <_methods> i thought i was going to get lucky for a minute
[21:11:20] <_methods> it stalled at like $2k
[21:11:24] <_methods> and i was high bidder
[21:11:27] <Erant> And then *BAM*
[21:11:30] <_methods> then it just took off
[21:11:38] <Erant> What's it worth?
[21:11:56] <_methods> i've seen them sell for anywher from $2k to 20k
[21:12:03] <_methods> just depends on the buyer
[21:12:11] <_methods> kinda like monarch 10ee
[21:12:31] <Erant> Yeah, going to my first auction next week. Curious to see how it goes.
[21:12:49] <_methods> i go to the pre auction
[21:12:56] <_methods> mark what i want
[21:13:01] <_methods> then i bid online
[21:13:09] <_methods> keeps me disassociated
[21:13:32] <_methods> it's easy to do stupid things if you go to the actual auction
[21:13:34] <Erant> Though the Compact 8 guy came grovelling back to me after not replying for 4 days.
[21:13:37] <Erant> Heh, sure.
[21:13:55] <_methods> much easier to sit at a desk and walk away
[21:14:06] <_methods> sitting in the AC
[21:14:18] <Erant> Yeah, though it sorta looks like the preauction and the auction are right next to each other
[21:14:20] <_methods> sippin a on mah coffee
[21:14:20] <t12> some auction rules are pretty rough
[21:14:35] <_methods> yeah they are usually 1 day apart
[21:14:37] <t12> like if you default on payment they'll charge you for the price loss and holding
[21:14:54] <_methods> yeah defaulting is a bad idea
[21:14:57] <Erant> _methods: Ah, no. Auction's at 11AM, pre-auction 9AM.
[21:15:01] <_methods> don't bid on something you can't buy
[21:15:06] <_methods> oh
[21:15:10] <Erant> Defaulting's a bad idea in most scenarios.
[21:15:14] <_methods> wow 2 hours pre auction
[21:15:19] <_methods> tha's shady
[21:15:31] <Erant> "PREVIEW: Morning of Sale 9:00 A.M. to 11:00 A.M."
[21:15:44] <Erant> Interesting.
[21:15:44] <Erant> http://ashmancompany.com/auctions/details/1000000686
[21:15:47] <Erant> It's this one
[21:15:49] <_methods> i would skip that unless there was something i wanted bad
[21:16:08] <CaptHindsight> _methods: no whip half caff double shot extra half short latte-cano-so?
[21:16:09] <_methods> most places give you a couple days
[21:16:15] <_methods> hahahha
[21:16:20] <_methods> NO
[21:16:25] <_methods> all we have is a normal coffee pot
[21:16:35] <Erant> I was just going to look at the tooling, really.
[21:16:48] <_methods> well if it's close to you it's a no brainer
[21:16:50] <Erant> I'd love that Wabeco, but it's going to go for way more than I can afford.
[21:16:51] <Erant> It is
[21:16:56] <Erant> 10-15 mins from work.
[21:16:56] <_methods> i hit every auction within 2 hours
[21:17:37] <Erant> 5000RPM, DRO, 2HP motor.
[21:17:42] <_methods> even if we don't need anything i'll watch it just to see if something is going for a stupid price
[21:17:57] <_methods> hard to pass up stuff that you can flip in a day
[21:17:59] <Erant> Yeah, I do that with yard sales and stuff.
[21:18:17] <Erant> Especially with electronics I know what stuff is worth, and what stuff is rare.
[21:18:26] <_methods> i mean i got a horizontal at that last auction for $100
[21:18:32] <Erant> Which is...
[21:18:34] <_methods> i can get $500 just in scrap
[21:18:34] <Erant> Insane.
[21:19:59] <_methods> yeah i got a rigid pipe threader 00-R with 4 dies and a rigid 12-R thrader with 3 dies for $90
[21:20:04] <_methods> at same auction
[21:20:17] <Erant> Yeah, I'm curious what kind of crowd this is going to draw
[21:20:32] <_methods> you never know that's the whacky part of auctions
[21:20:35] <Erant> It's on a Wednesday, in the morning.
[21:20:47] <_methods> just know what you want and what you will pay for what you want before you go
[21:20:52] <_methods> and you will be safe
[21:21:01] <Erant> That was the plan.
[21:21:08] <_methods> i see people pay new prices for stuff at auctions all the time
[21:21:15] <CaptHindsight> I get lots of Soviet surplus that way
[21:21:16] <_methods> they don't know what stuff is worth
[21:21:56] <_methods> i know prices for everything we're going after and i know prices for side stuff that can turn a profit
[21:22:08] <_methods> easy flip stuff
[21:22:16] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXqKkYYALMU What Fits Into Russia
[21:22:24] <_methods> i stay away from inserts/drills/carbide
[21:22:33] <_methods> bidding can get very intense over that stuff
[21:22:45] <_methods> and you can lose your ass real fast
[21:23:36] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[21:24:27] <_methods> hola senor
[21:24:48] <PetefromTn_> hola there yourself ;)
[21:25:02] <_methods> the $130 capacitor fixed my welder
[21:25:11] <CaptHindsight> hola, ¿cómo es su cabra hoy?
[21:25:28] <_methods> chupa ma penga
[21:25:41] <PetefromTn_> no goats here chump
[21:25:58] <CaptHindsight> Si pudiera caminar de esa manera no necesitaría el polvo de talco.
[21:26:11] <_methods> you want to walk like an egyptian?
[21:26:21] <CaptHindsight> lol
[21:26:30] <_methods> hahah
[21:27:11] <_methods> they need to make another men in black with jar jar binks
[21:27:39] <CaptHindsight> hasta banana one and all!
[21:27:54] <minibnz> hehehehe people would pay good money to see him shot.. or tourtured....
[21:28:15] <_methods> he'd make a great MIB alien
[21:28:50] <_methods> meesa thinks they put him in da wrong movie
[21:28:57] <PetefromTn_> man I don't know whats worse...
[21:29:13] <PetefromTn_> trying to fix up and sell my house here
[21:29:30] <PetefromTn_> or trying to find a NEW house down there in Florida from 800 miles away LOL
[21:29:55] <minibnz> oh yeah that shits gonna work out :)
[21:30:45] <minibnz> you cant buy house over the phone or net and it be what you want :) i dont care how many 360 photos or videos they do you need boots on ground before you buy it to take it all in..
[21:31:16] <minibnz> and by the sound of things its not a 'day' trip to go look.. so you have to have a few all lined up. .thats gotta suck...
[21:31:18] <PetefromTn_> Well my Mother is down there right now and she is going to look at the houses we find when she can
[21:31:35] <PetefromTn_> my brother took her around a bit for us today
[21:31:36] <minibnz> oh thats all right heels on the ground work too :)
[21:32:06] <PetefromTn_> there was a KICKASS house we saw in our price range but unfortunately when she looked at it the thing needed a lot of work...
[21:32:14] <minibnz> as long as they have a clue you should be ok
[21:32:29] <_methods> wtf you lookin at houses for
[21:32:37] <_methods> you need a WAREhouse
[21:32:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah my mother owns like four houses now, she's good at that
[21:32:48] <_methods> with some slab
[21:32:54] <PetefromTn_> I told my wife about that idea....she just gave me the look
[21:33:00] <_methods> and 3phase
[21:33:01] <_methods> lol
[21:33:11] <_methods> baby we NEED 3phase
[21:33:15] <PetefromTn_> don't need no Steenking 3 phase
[21:33:28] <PetefromTn_> just need the room
[21:33:32] <minibnz> oh they just dont get it do they..
[21:33:40] <_methods> well not you now you replaced all your motors lol
[21:33:45] <minibnz> 3phase is the shiz..
[21:33:54] <PetefromTn_> meh
[21:34:03] <PetefromTn_> my machine runs pretty good on the single
[21:34:11] <PetefromTn_> its running as we speak
[21:34:19] <PetefromTn_> making those two rails I sold this morning
[21:34:42] <_methods> you better make you some extras while you got it all hoooked up
[21:35:08] <PetefromTn_> what sucks is the prices went up a good bit down there in Florida so our dollar is gonna buy less house now SUCKAGE!!
[21:35:34] <minibnz> would it be worth while to add an accelerometer to my mill? thinking it could be used to slow the speed of a pass if ithe vibes get too bad..
[21:35:40] <PetefromTn_> we are hoping to find something that maybe needs some cabinet work I can get a good deal on. There are a few down there right now that have potential
[21:36:51] <Erant> minibnz: Euh, sometimes you need to speed up to get the vibes down ;)
[21:37:08] <minibnz> oh ok so it wont be straightforward
[21:37:27] <Erant> Nope.
[21:37:27] <_methods> yeah that's what feedrate and spindle override are for
[21:37:46] <_methods> so you can "experiment" with your feed/speed
[21:37:57] <pink_vampire> morning
[21:38:00] <Erant> Twiddle... Tune.
[21:38:09] <minibnz> yeah probably best to just get it right :)
[21:38:29] <_methods> hell i've run mills for days that sounded like they were going to explode
[21:38:33] <minibnz> ok bbs gotta go get some mosfet drivers before the shop shuts.
[21:38:37] <Erant> Yeah, read up on chipload and whatnot.
[21:38:47] <Erant> I like watching NYC CNC on YouTube.
[21:38:58] <_methods> just because it sounds bad doesn't necessarily mean it's doing something bad
[21:39:19] <Erant> And the reverse is unfortunately true too
[21:39:42] <_methods> we're running some parts now that make the whole building shake
[21:39:51] <_methods> nothing you can do about it
[21:39:54] <PetefromTn_> pink_vampire Evening :D
[21:40:23] <pink_vampire> for you maybe..
[21:40:43] <PetefromTn_> where are you that's morning are you out of the country?
[21:41:00] <_methods> she's a vampire
[21:41:06] <_methods> nightime is the right time
[21:41:07] <PetefromTn_> indeed
[21:41:17] <pink_vampire> yep..
[21:44:37] <Erant> Time to ponder wiring for the spindle...
[21:44:42] <Erant> Or rather, connectors.
[21:45:12] <Erant> And a dipole to select machine vs. manual
[22:01:05] <minibnz> dont skimp on the poles.. i needed three in the end for mine. i needed the 3rd to cut the power to my servo so i could turn my knob.. you probably wont need it but thing of other things you could use it for.. liights?
[22:08:24] <minibnz> i got two mosfet drivers and a LP289 motor driver.. can use that to drive my grinder and the tool changer the mosfets can be for the coolant and leds and i have one more spare.. they were on special meant for the arduino so they are all on little carrier boards so it will make life a bit easier to mount and replace in the future :)
[22:09:29] <minibnz> multicore screened cable to wire up the spindle encoder.. (i have more spare inputs than i know what to do with them :) until i get encoders for the other axis then its meas time..
[22:15:19] <minibnz> oh man these guys are crap.. another product with no real data sheet.. there are 6 jumpers on this motor board and no information available about them.. i knew this was going to be a prooblem.. time to get the angry emails out...
[22:16:08] <minibnz> the one saving grace is that there is only one IC on the board i can reverse eng it to make it go but i really shouldnt have to...
[22:16:38] <Tom_itx> Teacher: In this exercise you will name the quadralateral
[22:16:44] <XXCoder> where is my angry eyes?
[22:16:47] <Tom_itx> Student: I'll call it Jerry.
[22:16:49] <minibnz> and the data sheet they did supply is more like a sales brochure and it has a mistake clearly
[22:20:55] <evil_ren> http://i.imgur.com/hMTujlj.jpg
[22:21:01] <evil_ren> haas machined their own F1 wheels
[22:21:05] <evil_ren> theyre the only ones
[22:21:14] <evil_ren> this season might be interesting
[22:30:54] <Crom> I need to rewire my 3040
[22:42:34] <minibnz> ok that was time i could have used other ways.. they are to join then enable lines and pulls on the signal lines.
[22:43:35] <minibnz> its was not hard for me.. but it would have been even easier if the asses that sold it to me had written it down.. infact they lack datasheets on a lot of their stuff.. stay clear of duinotech
[23:29:02] <minibnz> oh wow.. to use this motor driver with DC motors you need to use 6 control lines. 3 for each motor.. i think i will have to add a little logic chip to the inputs to allow me to get away with less. 2 per motor. maybe 1 depending on what i use it for..
[23:29:15] <minibnz> might need both of them to go both directions..
[23:30:01] <minibnz> mignt not.. yet to be decided. infact i wont even hook that one up to the par port yet.
