#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-02-10

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[00:38:20] <Crom> ugh had to make a woodruff key on my lathe... I'm so getting a geared head lathe when I can afford it
[00:38:52] <Crom> big cut for me is 0.015" with 0.001 depth of cut
[00:39:18] <Crom> anything more and the head stock starts chattering something firce
[00:39:22] <Crom> anything more and the head stock starts chattering something fierce
[00:40:13] <Crom> plain bearings are nice, but I think I'll go with roller bearings next time
[01:36:18] <archivist> change the rpm, make sure tool is sharp
[01:50:20] <archivist> width of the cutting edge affects chatter too, use a sharper profile, dont use a wide cut
[01:50:59] <archivist> distance from the chuck too
[01:57:05] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps dissasemble and repack?
[01:57:11] <SpeedEvil> remvoe a shim I mean
[01:58:25] <archivist> fixing plain spindle bearings is replace and scrape usually
[01:59:02] <archivist> my southbend could do with that treatment
[02:10:16] <Jymmm> This is some nice CLEAR heat shrink tubing, stays clear and shrinks width wise up to 1/3rd http://www.ebay.com/itm/191544926499
[02:10:46] <Jymmm> almost zero length shrinkage.
[02:14:12] <Deejay> moin
[02:14:16] <Jymmm> Hi Deejay
[02:14:24] <Deejay> hoi Jymmm :)
[05:00:41] <minibnz> oh boy.. the endless loop of tramming my mill continues.. i pulled it to bits (x2) to install steel gears that was a fun task and i thought i was done when i just trammed the post and checked it with a fly cutter, i now get both edges cutting when i push the the cutter left and right. but when i take a square post clamped sqare to the bed and run the dial indicator up it. its out 0.25mm at teh top of 200mm travel.. i guess this means i g
[05:00:41] <minibnz> otta take my head off again and aling it to the post.. this sucks cuz i have to lean the post over to take it off.. what a pain..
[05:01:51] <minibnz> sounds better with the new gears but not as nice as belts would have been :(
[05:06:46] <minibnz> had a hell of a time geting the post to where it is now.. was using a electronic angle box, set to zero on bed then move to the post and set it to the right angle. would work better if i had a more solid bench.. everytime i do it up it would slip from 90' to 89.9 or 90.1.. then i would rezero on the bed (incase the bench moved) and try again
[05:07:12] <XXCoder> minibnz: dont worry, it wont be endless, the universe itself will die in few trillion years.
[05:07:27] <minibnz> hahahhha
[05:07:55] <XXCoder> :)
[05:08:57] <minibnz> cuz the fruit fly cutter gives such nice results now, near mirror i am going to check everything again before i adjust anything.. mainly cuz its easier to recheck than attempt to fix it :)
[05:09:23] <XXCoder> nice
[05:10:47] <archivist> anyway post is called column on a mill
[05:11:01] <minibnz> maybe my tool steel is warped or bent.. my new engineering square didnt like being put in the vise the tang would not sit vertical so the dial indicator would not run the full legnth of the tang without slipping.. maybe my vice is off level...
[05:11:05] <archivist> measure three times cut once
[05:11:15] <minibnz> ok post = column
[05:11:48] <minibnz> it just seems like its a endless operation :)
[05:11:55] <XXCoder> mesure 10 times cut zero
[05:12:01] <minibnz> heheheh
[05:12:05] <archivist> learning to verify the tools is important :)
[05:12:49] <minibnz> oh yes it is..
[05:13:19] <archivist> it sends me down a rabbit hole of better tools
[05:14:03] <XXCoder> yeah theres almost always something better
[05:14:51] <minibnz> the real stange thing is when i put a bit of HSS round into the chuck and put the angle meter against that it says its perpendicular to the bed and parallel with the post. my gibs are all nice and tight..
[05:15:24] <minibnz> i think i will throw all these results away and start again ai have conflicting infomations...
[05:15:36] <archivist> remember the ways may not be parallel to the bed top
[05:15:40] <minibnz> something is not right.. i hope its just me :)
[05:16:39] <minibnz> i am sitting my angle meter on the top of the bed it doesnt sit below the T nut line..
[05:17:08] <archivist> erm what sort of angle meter
[05:18:06] <archivist> one of these toys ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GemRed-Digital-Angle-Finder-Gauge-Bevel-Box-/120687905972
[05:18:07] <minibnz> digital one.. magnetic type good to 0.1' i zero it on the top of the bed then move to the po--- column :) and make the adjustment
[05:18:26] <minibnz> thats the beast :) looks exactly the same.
[05:18:47] <minibnz> then after that i am using the dial indicator and the fly cutter to make sure things are nice
[05:19:05] <archivist> well think about .25mm in the length of bed and convert that to an angle
[05:20:18] <minibnz> oh this was sliding the dial up and down the tool steel.. i will see what the dial says when i drag it across the bed..
[05:20:43] <archivist> and note, resolution is not accuracy
[05:21:13] <minibnz> this is true.
[05:22:00] <archivist> I have a thing that quotes .2 accuracy, which it seems to achieve at the angles I can test easily
[05:24:54] <minibnz> ok so 0.25mm over 200mm is 0.07162 degrees off to one side.
[05:25:28] <archivist> so your tool is not up to the job
[05:25:29] <minibnz> ok no conflicting data.. just what seems like an imposible task..
[05:25:54] <archivist> us a dti in the spindle offset
[05:25:58] <archivist> use
[05:26:05] <minibnz> well i could set it up and use the dial indicator but the column wont play nice :)
[05:26:21] <minibnz> dti ?
[05:27:25] <archivist> dial test indicator
[05:27:29] <minibnz> ahh
[05:27:43] <archivist> google tramming a mill for various ideas
[05:28:17] <minibnz> i really doubt i will be able to adjust this fine enough to get this much better.. everytime i get the post to move it goes too far..
[05:28:22] <minibnz> ih ave seen
[05:29:26] <minibnz> ih ave seen various methods of sitting the dial indicator in the spindle and move from left and right or use two indicators etc.. but if i can move the thing nice and controled its pointless :)
[05:29:30] <archivist> often they use a dual dti but you can use one and rotate
[05:30:25] <minibnz> as soon as i try and tighten the nut up the column shifts.. tried lots of things.. and to get it this good i had to clamp a chunk in the vise to hold the head against the x axis..
[05:30:32] <minibnz> was quite an ordeal.
[05:30:59] <minibnz> might see if i can make it move with a hammer tomorrow when the neighbours are not sleeping..
[05:32:42] <minibnz> i do have a ticket in percusion maintenance but i have been trying not to use it too often :)
[05:35:48] <minibnz> i keep it on the wall jsut out of reach in a vain attempt to stop everything looking like a nail..
[05:37:41] <minibnz> probably should make myself a nice small brass hammer to hang next to the claw :)
[05:57:05] <archivist> less hammer needed use a lever
[06:23:51] <_methods> leverhammer lol
[06:24:18] <XXCoder> stop! hammertime
[06:24:48] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-55-099-FatMax-Functional-Utility/dp/B000FCGS0Y
[06:24:57] <_methods> the fubar lol
[06:36:58] <gonzo_> I read that as hammerite
[06:37:10] <gonzo_> if you can't fix it, paint it over
[06:39:43] <minibnz> ok i know i said i would wait until tomorrow but fuck the neighbours.. i put my peice of HSS round tool steel in the chuck. spun it to make sure it was right in the chuck. then put the dail indi on the bed and probed the side of the HSS in the chuck found the center and then ran the head down as far as i could. about 100mm with this in the chuck. then adjusted the column until the indicator read the same at the bottom as the top.. now wh
[06:39:43] <minibnz> en i run the head up and down the dial indicator only moves 0.002 maybe 0.003mm.. yay.. now is that good enough to say the thing is tramed in X axis and probably Y axis cuz i used a round bar.. ?
[06:43:21] <minibnz> i figure if the HSS bar moved back and forth the dial woul move.. as it dont move very much i think its ok to use.. not that i can at the momtent its too late to fly cut stuff...
[06:46:38] <minibnz> just dont want to find out i need to take the head off and rotate it against the dovetails later... would like to get it all done now.. its a shit of a job.
[06:49:09] <minibnz> on another note. went to my dads place to help him with his hot rod. and had to use his lathe.. was gong to use it the other day but got caught up.. but its so bad.. i had to slow the RPM's down to something like 50 so get a drill to start center..and even then it wandered a little bit.. i remember makeing things on that when it was new and it was lovely.. going to look into getting it rebuilt..
[07:00:55] <minibnz> its a halfco metal master with a 40mm bore something similare will cost 5k to replace..
[07:11:31] <archivist> dont confuse that test with tramming
[07:12:14] <archivist> because, the chuck may not be true with the spindle
[07:14:26] <archivist> here is some light reading of the tests http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK3151/
[07:29:31] <minibnz> the spindle was spinning at the time so i figured it was a good way to test.
[07:33:58] <_methods> what are you tramming in?
[07:34:34] <minibnz> x2 seig mill
[07:34:53] <_methods> ahhh
[07:35:14] <minibnz> just changed the plastic gears to metal omes
[07:35:16] <_methods> yeah it's like fighting an octopus
[07:35:19] <_methods> so much junk
[07:35:29] <_methods> hard to find all the points of failure
[07:35:52] <archivist> and where error adds to error
[07:35:56] <_methods> i think most people take the column off to tram the spindle first
[07:36:14] <_methods> lay it down on it's back then make sure the spindle is true to the column
[07:36:18] <minibnz> i just noticed that i left off the z height adjustable stop :( to put it back on i have to take the head off
[07:36:19] <_methods> then you can tram it to the bed
[07:37:09] <minibnz> interesting
[07:37:12] <_methods> but if you can get it within .005 you're doing good
[07:37:19] <_methods> .005"
[07:37:40] <_methods> i consider that acceptable on my little pile of chinese junk
[07:37:41] <minibnz> oh this is mm
[07:38:00] <_methods> .1mm
[07:38:29] <_methods> just getting there is usually a task
[07:38:36] <minibnz> cool i will test thjis tomorrow and see how it is..
[07:39:40] <_methods> is yours converted?
[07:40:23] <minibnz> i have added steppers and run linuxcnc.. looking to find a linear actuator to automate tool changes.
[07:40:39] <_methods> whatever you do don't cut steel with it
[07:40:40] <_methods> lol
[07:40:51] <minibnz> it goes good on steel
[07:41:02] <_methods> not mine
[07:41:09] <_methods> i can see the whole column flexing
[07:41:42] <_methods> and the head
[07:41:45] <minibnz> http://minibnzreprap.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/milling-first-cup.html
[07:43:46] <minibnz> that was a light cut later i upped the plunge rate and could mill out one of these cups in about 5mins.. had to apply lots of cutting oil which then filled the workshop with smoke as it chewed thru the mild steel..
[07:44:23] <minibnz> and the finish on the finished part was really nice.. was making 7mm rings 11mm deep if i recall..
[07:45:02] <_methods> i blew up my drive gears cutting steel too lol
[07:45:14] <_methods> thats when i did my belt mod
[07:45:17] <AmsterdamJoe> hi -- did i mentioned that im haveing a tuff time here working on this expiremental bench
[07:45:30] <minibnz> oh my plastic ones startted to make noises the other day after i tried out a fly cutter..
[07:45:32] <AmsterdamJoe> and that i got muggged for my iphone last week
[07:45:32] <_methods> at least i managed to get my z axis mounting plates cut before the gears blew up
[07:45:51] <AmsterdamJoe> and during the mugging my cheap boots were destroyes
[07:46:06] <AmsterdamJoe> it was like walking with a sandal until the sole completely fell off
[07:46:15] <_methods> i need to redo teh ballscrews on mine
[07:46:19] <AmsterdamJoe> and now i just want to CNC some cloggs from wood
[07:46:23] <minibnz> i need ball screws :)
[07:46:26] <_methods> the chinese ballscrews on my x axis blew up
[07:46:36] <_methods> i'm going to use roton this time
[07:46:43] <minibnz> cant jsut get new nuts/
[07:46:49] <_methods> i could but why
[07:46:53] <_methods> it will just happen again
[07:47:05] <minibnz> ok
[07:47:17] <AmsterdamJoe> hello plz send me cad files for clogs
[07:47:45] <_methods> say something else AmsterdamJoe
[07:47:59] <_methods> just checking to make sure ignore is working
[07:48:01] <_methods> zlog
[07:48:10] <minibnz> look on thingiverse.com i think i saw someone doing shoes on their printer.. you can use those on a mill you just gotta conver the stl files
[07:48:21] <AmsterdamJoe> _methods, b0ss, its not a joke man i got beat down in the street
[07:48:26] <AmsterdamJoe> and now getting ignored on IRC
[07:48:44] <_methods> the roton ballscrews have metal races
[07:48:46] <AmsterdamJoe> minibnz: convert the stl files to what?
[07:48:54] * Tom_itx in all fairness ignores _methods!
[07:48:57] <_methods> not those shitty plastic ones like on the chinese ballnuts
[07:49:02] <_methods> hahah
[07:49:05] <minibnz> to gcode that your router/mill will follow to cut your shoes..
[07:50:08] <_methods> that guy was in there trollin the other day
[07:50:36] <minibnz> k
[07:50:41] <AmsterdamJoe> minibnz: are you telling me that i can use stl files from thinkverse to make toolpaths that LinuxCNC can mill
[07:50:42] <_methods> s/there/here
[07:50:58] <AmsterdamJoe> you make it sounds so simple -- something about the post?
[07:51:26] <minibnz> yes. you will need to get the stl files and convert them into whatever your gcode generator will accept.
[07:51:45] <AmsterdamJoe> okay, but how to convert the file?
[07:52:25] <minibnz> if iwas to do this i would use solidworks cuz i have it.. you could use skeinforge if you really have to it accepts stl files and can output paths for milling.
[07:52:56] <AmsterdamJoe> I would rather avoid using propriteary software for thijs
[07:53:00] <minibnz> last time i used skeinforge it was version 35.
[07:53:07] <AmsterdamJoe> ..is it possible?
[07:53:11] <minibnz> skeinforge is free..
[07:53:31] <minibnz> its open source too..
[07:54:26] <minibnz> that was the first program that i used to slice stl files for my printer. i now use one that is dedicated to 3d printing.. but it did work well and had craptons of options..
[07:55:08] <AmsterdamJoe> seems like a patchwork system of tools to go from 3d model to printer
[07:55:24] <minibnz> thats how its done..
[07:55:33] <AmsterdamJoe> is there some recomended path from 3d visualization to CNC milling?
[07:55:47] <minibnz> you cant draw complex objects in gcode and keep your sanity..
[07:57:42] <minibnz> solidworks is pretty standard. you draw the parts make them fit on screen then you output files that suit your machine. these files may be a series of DXF files. that how i get 90% of my SW parts out of it then i use DXF3gcode python program to convert those dxf files into gcode paths.
[07:58:29] <AmsterdamJoe> ok so you have gcode paths from this python program you download. How do you verify that path is not bogus?
[07:58:54] <minibnz> the issues arrise when it comes to selecting what tool cuts what line. there is programs like pathpilot that let you draw the object in the same program that makes the gcode but that too cost $$$ i think
[07:59:40] <minibnz> i cut the path on a scrap of material. usually plastic so if the paths are crap the tools survive..
[08:00:17] <minibnz> if i really reall want to look at the gcode paths i load them up into my 3d printer program it has a gcode viewer
[08:01:44] <minibnz> looses all the speed stuff but shows me what the paths look like.. so far the only reason i have had problems is due to it not being setup properly. the G0 rapid moves were too fast due to a EMC setting.
[08:03:14] <AmsterdamJoe> 0_O
[08:04:09] <minibnz> there are other ways you can get paths into linuxcnc... like making a jpeg file of what you want to cut. linuxcnc will rasterize this into paths. you use shades of grey to specify the cut layers ie everything that is cut at 1mm deep will be a grey shade 3 and so on each layer/depth gets its own shade then you tell linuxcnc how thick each layer is
[08:15:22] <gregcnc> frackin car batteries, doesn't help if you leave interior lights on.
[08:16:22] <minibnz> yeah that sucks.. i have to be so careful when i go hunting.. the first thing i do is take the bulbs out.. i know its a bit extreme but its better than getting stuck cuz i left a door ajar..
[08:17:30] <minibnz> the biggest problem i have is with the car keys.. my key doesnt work really well.. so i keep the remote stashed in a tree for when the key dont work... i have to jiggle the crap out of the lock to open it..
[08:17:48] <minibnz> too many years of only using the keys in the ignition..
[08:19:51] <gregcnc> Damn minivan has like 20 lights too, I thought about changing them all to LED so the wife wouldn't get stranded
[08:20:05] <AmsterdamJoe> Do you use any CNC'ed pieces on your hunting trip?
[08:20:15] <gregcnc> fortunately I had a spare battery.
[08:21:54] <gregcnc> my old truck had a single dome light which i removed.
[08:22:09] <minibnz> yeah the first part i made was a bipod mount for my air rifle. .its a big chunk of alu 30mm thick with a 32mm hole milled into it this splits down the middle to clamp onto the air cylinder and has short section of picatiny rail milled into the base so my bipod fits neatly..
[08:24:03] <minibnz> the next thing i made was a night vision adaptor. its a CCD camera that has night mode and a 2.5inch lcd. this slides onto the back of my scope and looks thru it. it works really well with a IR spot light, its not TRUE night vision but i get to see in the dark and thats all that counts.. its great for shooting rats and rabbits with..
[08:24:59] <AmsterdamJoe> sounds like they dont stand a chance
[08:25:10] <minibnz> i have a FX monsoon which is a .22 semiauto air rifle its aweasome.. i have shot two bunnies in 5 seconds with it, both head shots at 50m they were close together so it was easy to ping one then the next, didnt have to hunt with the scope to get the second one.
[08:25:52] <minibnz> its silent.. i have shot it and my mates havent noticed.. until they looked thru their scopes and saw all the targets taken out..
[08:26:41] <minibnz> well almost silent.. i want to lathe/mill a inset for my silencer so its even more quiet.. not too sure how that will work with all the laws i have to deal with.
[08:27:37] <AmsterdamJoe> atm, im honing my skill with the slingshot
[08:27:37] <minibnz> technically it already has a silencer built in so im not really adding one to it... its just a insert that will have baffels and a 5.75mm hole up the guts.. that will sit in the cavity at the end of the barrel and the exit hole..
[08:28:07] <AmsterdamJoe> ive got one of Bill Hay's models: http://pocketpredator.com/ and a handfull of ideas for improvements
[08:28:34] <AmsterdamJoe> planning a trip to the marsh near the airport where i have heard reports that geese are overpopulated
[08:29:04] <minibnz> oh have you seen the slingshot channel on youtube? that nutty german guy that shoots 1.5inch ball bearings he had one bounce off his shed he was using as a target rack to hold a cigarette lighter.. it came back and hit him in the head you could see the dent it made.. it got FUBAR....
[08:29:24] <AmsterdamJoe> i didnt see that
[08:29:40] <AmsterdamJoe> i saw some of his episodes, but i dont think its a pratical channel
[08:29:52] <minibnz> you have too log in and proove you are over 18 to see that one..
[08:29:58] <AmsterdamJoe> u might enjoys Bill Hays's sling shot videros as well
[08:30:02] <minibnz> yeah some are just plain nuts..
[08:30:09] <minibnz> yeah i have seen some of his..
[08:30:23] <minibnz> there are some really amazing shooters with a slingy...
[08:30:26] <AmsterdamJoe> i wrote to him to ask him for the CAD files for his sling shot
[08:30:35] <AmsterdamJoe> i have a gr8 idea to improve the design
[08:30:36] <minibnz> i would be happy to hit the side of a barn... from the inside..
[08:31:13] <minibnz> a good rifle makes me look like i can shoot.. but the gun does most of the hard work :)
[08:31:17] <AmsterdamJoe> Add a lase target indicator powered from a switch below the forefinger
[08:32:22] <minibnz> oh no... thats no good for a air rifle.. it would only be accurate at 10m and 50m on my rifle. the pellets have such an arc that its a real challenge out in the field.. thats why i got a range finder..
[08:32:51] <minibnz> laser sight might be good for a .17hmr or a .270 they shoot pretty flat out to 100-150yards..
[08:33:35] <AmsterdamJoe> huh? the sling-shot is too small for a range-finder
[08:33:56] <AmsterdamJoe> and its a target "indicator" -- as in: it give you an indication of what u might hit
[08:34:12] <gregcnc> that one where spravegot hit it the head was fake
[08:34:35] <minibnz> if you really cant shoo there is a smart gun that does all the aiming for you.. you pick a target the scope tracks it and when the sights are near tothe right spot you pull can pull the trigger but it wont fire until the target is in the exact spot for a kill its supposedly good for 0.5inch groups at 1500yards...
[08:34:59] <minibnz> ahh it was well done :)
[08:36:05] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/bc5HUS8dLN0?t=1m20s
[08:36:26] <AmsterdamJoe> i think it would help in low light because u cant use a notched fork
[08:36:34] <minibnz> i made a new magazine cover for the air rifle in a hope that i could fit some longer pellets in it but it didnt work well and just jams up.. the hunting pellets i should use are 0.5mm too long for the mag. they drop bunnies like nothing else but i can only shoot one at a time.
[08:36:37] <AmsterdamJoe> i mean -- you cant see it
[08:36:49] <AmsterdamJoe> yes, there is an arch, but thats part of sling-shot
[08:39:29] <minibnz> for a slingshot to be any good you need the arm brace.. as soon as you add that they are illeagal where i am..
[08:39:58] <AmsterdamJoe> um, no -- you obviously have not seen Bill Hays designs
[08:40:17] <AmsterdamJoe> the brace is obsolte
[08:41:25] <_methods> really?
[08:41:31] <_methods> slingshots are illegal
[08:41:34] <_methods> that's funny
[08:41:36] <minibnz> i will stick to my guns :) i gotta try and fix my air rifle. the semi auto action developed a burr and now even after cleaning it up and replacing the parts that made the but it still wont reload when firing a pellet.. it cycles when i dry fire it but when there is a pellet in there the hammer wont come all the way back, its getting caught in the divots that are where the burr was..
[08:42:31] <minibnz> yeah there was a big thing on the TV about how you could just go and buy these ones that had the brace and spear gun rubbers that could punch thru car doors and fileing cabinets with ease..
[08:42:32] <_methods> lot of slingshot crime goin on around there lol
[08:44:02] <minibnz> its a shame.. they should be giving every school kid a slingy and telling them to go out and shoot the minor birds..
[08:44:15] <AmsterdamJoe> my understanding is the brace is there to act against the leverage created when you pull the bands attached to the fork
[08:44:32] <AmsterdamJoe> by minimizing the lever-arm distance to zero
[08:44:40] <AmsterdamJoe> there is no reason to brace it, no?
[08:44:54] <minibnz> yup thats what its there for.. without it you cant really have a 8 or 9 year old pull the thing back to get any real power :)
[08:45:17] <minibnz> they end up with a slingy in the face..
[08:45:41] <minibnz> means you dont have to hold the slingy you can concentrate on aiming :)
[08:46:17] <minibnz> it just sits in the v of your thumb and forfinger.. same place everytime really
[08:46:41] <AmsterdamJoe> _methods: where are you at (where there is slingshot crime)?
[08:46:42] <minibnz> those designs you linked to before are realy interesting.
[08:47:06] <minibnz> i am in sydney.. :)
[08:48:31] <Jymmm> It's all about accuracy. Adding a shoulder stock to a handgun is a felony (in the US) as it turns it into a SBR (short barreled rifle)
[08:48:41] <minibnz> we have pretty tight laws about things that make things fly faster than a human can throw unassisted..
[08:48:54] <minibnz> yeah..
[08:49:14] <AmsterdamJoe> minibnz: what do you think about emulating one of them + laser as a side-project?
[08:49:32] <AmsterdamJoe> just for fun kind of thing -- laser guided slingshot is 3rd thing on my list
[08:49:57] <Jymmm> not needed
[08:50:01] <minibnz> at the moment the anti gun freaks are going nuts over this lever action shotgun that had 7shot capacity.. they got it reduced to 5 shots.. and are still not happy and are trying for a total ban..
[08:50:37] <AmsterdamJoe> because besides making some cloggs im also interested in that
[08:50:53] <minibnz> i dont mind the gun laws.. they are almost good.. they just go a little too far on banning a few types of things that are exactly the same as others..
[08:51:33] <Jymmm> minibnz: I'm glade that you CAN still make your own gun/rifle in the US and no need to register it
[08:52:48] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: is that true for automatics or just semi?
[08:52:59] <_methods> just semi
[08:53:12] <_methods> you can't make a full auto without license
[08:53:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: semi, as you need to buy a tax stamp for that
[08:53:49] <minibnz> i like the gun laws they basically mean i have to jump thru a few hoops to hunt, but i dont have to jump to dogde bullets in the streets everyday i walk out the door :)
[08:54:06] <Jymmm> oter laws still apply, no cane/zip guns, etc
[08:54:52] <CaptHindsight> logic rarely prevails so does this apply to automatics that fire metallic shot or what if I wanted to make a 1k round/min potato gun?
[08:55:18] <CaptHindsight> just wondering how they define gun
[08:55:19] <minibnz> heheheh
[08:55:25] <_methods> i don't think any anti-potato gun legislation is on the books
[08:55:34] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: no gunpowder and youre fine
[08:55:40] <_methods> you should be free to fire spuds at any rate your heart desires
[08:55:51] <minibnz> i had my potatoe gun taken off me by the cops as a kid..
[08:55:57] <AmsterdamJoe> um lets not forget i got beadown in the street and had real tuff time on the bench -- can i get some CAD file plz b0ss?
[08:56:03] <minibnz> i was down the bush hurting no one..
[08:56:53] <CaptHindsight> anti-potatoites
[08:57:02] <_methods> they're out there
[08:57:14] <AmsterdamJoe> *priorities*
[08:57:37] <minibnz> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:341835 there is a 3d scan of a pair of clogs..
[08:57:58] <minibnz> scale and carve..
[08:58:05] <AmsterdamJoe> and how bout a laser guided sling-shot?
[08:58:41] <gregcnc> You can't legally make an auto unless you are Class 3 (dealer), a tax stamp lets you own an pre 86 auto in some states
[08:59:33] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight:Couscous Commi?
[09:00:05] <AmsterdamJoe> your questioning the legality of a laser guided sling shot? how about u ask the legality of the guys who beat me up and took my iphone!
[09:00:20] <minibnz> i made a slam fire .22 semi auto pistol once.. but that was before i got a mill so it was all hand drilled filed/welded. it worked quite well until i chopped it up before it got me in trouble..
[09:00:41] <AmsterdamJoe> now i get some new shoes ( my cheap boots were destroy in the mugging/beat-down ) and i can confront them to get my stuff bak
[09:00:42] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heMboVN12r0 personalized tracking bullets
[09:01:25] <gregcnc> recoilless too
[09:01:58] <FinboySlick> Bullets that a reasonably fast Tom Seleck can outrun though.
[09:02:11] <minibnz> gotta love the way the guy gets to look back thre or ten times when the bullets right on his heels..
[09:03:23] <CaptHindsight> they don't have to go fast if they track you
[09:03:40] <minibnz> <AmsterdamJoe if you are going to make shoes to get your shit back at least put a steel pointy spike on the end!! and go for the nuts...
[09:03:50] <CaptHindsight> the spoof would be aversion that waits behind a door until you come out again
[09:03:53] <gregcnc> anti gravity bullets
[09:03:58] <minibnz> they have to go fast enough to fight gravity at least :)
[09:04:16] <CaptHindsight> gravity schmavity
[09:04:39] <FinboySlick> minibnz: Nah man, didn't you see? There's electronic components in them that turn off gravity.
[09:04:56] <Jymmm> lol
[09:05:02] <AmsterdamJoe> minibnz: man cna you help me fabricate that, im new
[09:05:10] <CaptHindsight> can't believe that film is 32 years old already
[09:06:03] <CaptHindsight> they had little robots to "get" people as well
[09:07:24] <minibnz> AmsterdamJoe sorry no can do i dont have a machine that will do 5 axis so i have no real idea how you would start. the hard part is working out how to hold it so your machine can get to all the parts needed then you can break down that into gcode blocks you can run
[09:08:37] <AmsterdamJoe> what about the sling-shot?
[09:09:01] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: just powder or any chemical propellant?
[09:09:10] <gregcnc> it's cool how the "bullet" has the profile of the casing and projectile.
[09:09:12] <minibnz> thats the problem with 3d printer files somethings can be printed but cannot be machined.. if i really had to i would first do the hole. then then outside profile. probably three steps inside top then bottom if you can hold it.
[09:09:17] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMwCdqwWvIo clogs
[09:10:48] <CaptHindsight> in the future you'll just grow wooden shoes
[09:10:50] <minibnz> a slingshot is easy you just use anything that will draw a DXF file then use DXF2gcode and hit cut. just draw the profile you want. then you might need to add some extra paths the follow the boundry so you can bevel the edges with a 45' cutter.
[09:10:57] <CaptHindsight> custom DNA
[09:11:36] <minibnz> if you want rounded edges draw a pricture that has the gradients on the edges and then see what linuxcnc will do for you.
[09:11:37] <gregcnc> just pisk them off tree? or you cut them down and put them on?
[09:11:42] <gregcnc> pick
[09:11:49] <minibnz> you could do it in open office if you really had to..
[09:12:13] <minibnz> that will make dxf files and greyscale pictures.
[09:12:13] <CaptHindsight> either way, leather shoes as well but they would need to be fed
[09:12:54] <minibnz> not if you make them from children that are olde enough to feed themselves :) they are a little harder to catch :)
[09:12:55] <gregcnc> shoe plantation seems more profitable.
[09:13:22] <minibnz> human leather would be a niche market :)
[09:13:41] <CaptHindsight> minibnz: good idea, like a graft, the child can host the shoes until they are fully grown
[09:14:04] <minibnz> exactly.. .
[09:14:17] <minibnz> new take on third world shoes :)
[09:14:38] <CaptHindsight> good part time work for people that aren't able to get around
[09:15:11] <minibnz> the morbidly obeese could host a whole football teams worth of shoes...
[09:15:31] <minibnz> althought the ones on the underside will be a bit flat..
[09:15:44] <minibnz> but they can be sold as travelers shoes..
[09:15:46] <CaptHindsight> or on an umbilical cord like a vine
[09:15:52] <minibnz> hehehehej
[09:16:26] <CaptHindsight> <--- runs to patent office
[09:16:48] <minibnz> hey i beter see my name in there somewhere..
[09:16:52] <gregcnc> i was just going to suggest filing the patent
[09:17:38] <CaptHindsight> "Method for parasitical manufacturing of leather goods with human host"
[09:23:35] <minibnz> ahh there is a problem.. prior art... larry king... he has been doing that for years..
[09:23:53] <minibnz> just look at him.. he will flod the market when he is ready :)
[09:24:11] <minibnz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_King
[09:30:00] <Jymmm> The GCA defines the term “firearm” as: (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm."
[09:30:04] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ^^^
[09:30:55] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: paintball gun is NOT in that definition btw =)
[09:32:01] <minibnz> oh our description in AU doesnt reference explosive.. this is how they outlawed the crossbow.. some school kid took one to shcool and shot his ex girfreind after she dumped him.. the bolt when thru her and her friend behind her.. he took it in a guitar case..
[09:32:16] <FinboySlick> So railguns are fair game?
[09:32:20] <gregcnc> GCA writes laws?
[09:32:26] <gregcnc> enforces?
[09:32:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Now, how an antique firearm is NOT in that definition but a starter gun is, is beyond me. All the little legal loopholes you have/can get away with.
[09:32:37] <minibnz> to own a painball marker in AU you gotta get a special permit and store it like a real gun etc..
[09:32:39] <Jymmm> GCA = Gun Control Act
[09:32:55] <minibnz> the only way you get to take it home is if you have a full license..
[09:33:02] <FinboySlick> In Canada, it's pretty much: Anything that launches a projectile at a speed greater than x meters/second.
[09:33:08] <gregcnc> oops
[09:33:09] <minibnz> i wants to get me a pair of paintball guns..
[09:33:53] <minibnz> not too sure about handguns though.. we are only allowed to use a pistol at a range.. cant use one on your own property unless its been declared a fireing range.. :(
[09:33:59] <minibnz> cant use a pistol to hunt either..
[09:34:22] <minibnz> and must be stored in a stronger safe than the average rifle safe..
[09:34:28] <minibnz> 6mm steel vs 3mm steel
[09:34:31] <FinboySlick> Out of curiosity, what's the muzzle velocity on industrial printers. I wonder if we could get inkjets require a permit to own in Canada.
[09:34:45] <minibnz> heheheh
[09:35:25] <Jymmm> The latest craze is fabing 80% of a billet, and having the soon-to-be owner come in your shop, load the code and hit start on the cnc to "make their own" firearms, and it's perfectly legal.
[09:35:50] <minibnz> i am surprised i was able to get a semi air rifle.. i am guessing its because of the power level being so low. at 40lbs of hitting power they really wont kill a human.. you gotta be trying or damn unlucky..
[09:36:10] <minibnz> jymm thats a build party i think. :)
[09:36:12] <FinboySlick> minibnz: They'd piss the human off right good though.
[09:36:30] <gregcnc> people in IL were claiming that the C&R license allowed then to have SBR. but I haven't kept track of what was actually determined or happened
[09:37:39] <minibnz> <FinboySlick> you bet your ass it will.. this one is not like the old school break barrels we used to play with a as a kid.. the first weekend i got it i was very very tempted to put my mates bike leathers and helmet on and let him hit me a t 50m... but after a few shots on a hardwood pallet we decided this one is no toy...
[09:37:40] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Heh, state can't trump feds though =) Sure, you can have a SBR, but you still gotta have that tax stamp
[09:37:42] <gregcnc> https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-ammunition-gun-control-act-definitions-0
[09:38:59] <gonzo_> in the UK, an air gun over 12ftlb is considered a firearm and all the licencing that goes with it
[09:39:00] <minibnz> i can smash bottles and puncture aresol cans at 100m..
[09:39:09] <FinboySlick> You guys are mean wasting NSA analyst time with talks like this ;)
[09:39:29] <Jymmm> gregcnc: And you better damn well have undenyable proof it is prior to 1898 =)
[09:39:36] <minibnz> gonzo_ i love watching the squirel hunters on youtube from the uk they use the tiny air rifles and do really well with them :)
[09:40:40] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: You're da BOMB man, you should run for PRESIDENT of egypt and worship the sun gawd ISIS
[09:40:48] <gonzo_> that's about the biggest game you can humanly go after with such low power
[09:40:49] <minibnz> i have a .223 thats just too big for rabbits.. i shot one at 110m and it turned inside out.. no good to eat that mince :)
[09:40:49] <_methods> hahah
[09:40:53] <_methods> that should set off some flags
[09:41:19] <gonzo_> though you can have a catapult that has 3x the emergy, no problem
[09:41:29] <minibnz> they shoot rabbits with their air rifles too.. but its headshots only..
[09:41:32] <Jymmm> _methods: Nah, I've been doing that for years and I've seen my FBI sheet =)
[09:41:35] <FinboySlick> Hang on guys, someone's banging on the door...
[09:41:49] <Jymmm> ..someones ringing the bell
[09:41:51] <gonzo_> I've seen a 17hmr on a rabbit, turned it into a shammy leather
[09:42:08] <gonzo_> has ring the bell with a size 12 boot
[09:42:13] <_methods> Jymmm's mom
[09:42:13] <gonzo_> nsa
[09:42:47] <minibnz> first time i took mine hunting i thought i was missing them. but the pellets we going right thru the rabits head.. not doing enough damage to stop them on the spot they always seemed to get one or two hops into the blackberry bushes and then i couldnt get to em or find them.
[09:42:59] <minibnz> changed pellets now they stay where i shoot them :)
[09:43:02] <gonzo_> I'm not sure I'd want to use that against rabbit.
[09:43:12] <minibnz> maybe one ot two kicks but no hopping about
[09:43:44] <gonzo_> shotgun is easier to get in the uk, still quite a myther
[09:44:04] <minibnz> i am waiting on my lever action shotty to arrive :) two mybe three months...
[09:44:07] <gonzo_> but getting shooting land is the hardest bit
[09:44:12] <FinboySlick> Weren't they banning knives in the UK?
[09:44:41] <minibnz> hehehe they have banned knives in AU too... at least you are not allowed to have one on you without a damn good reason..
[09:44:59] <FinboySlick> I mean, the british slop you call food doesn't require knives but still, that's a bit drastic ;)
[09:45:01] <gonzo_> there is already a sort of ban. You can't just carry one, you have to have a specific reason, that will stand up in court
[09:45:10] <Jymmm> Build Your Own Gun in 1 Hour. 100% Legal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MiIABbeNXc
[09:45:33] <minibnz> that said my hunting knife is still in the car from my last trip.. the blade fell out due to a bad design and needs fixing... the retaining screw was just or show..
[09:46:27] <gonzo_> having anything more than a small folder in a public pplace (that includes your car) you need a damn good reason
[09:46:59] <minibnz> there is a hole in the tang where the screw is meant to go thru but it doent line up with the hole in the handle.. so i have to weld bits up so i can get the hole to line up
[09:47:00] <Jymmm> I thought even 3.5" pocket knife was illegal in the UK
[09:47:21] <gonzo_> and good reasons is pretty much having to prove that you need it for your job
[09:47:28] <Jymmm> and the way the law is written it's a MANDATORY sentance if caught
[09:47:48] <gonzo_> yep, anything over 3". And it's only for non locking folders
[09:47:57] <gregcnc> In IL, larger than 3" blade is a "deadly weapon"
[09:48:26] <gonzo_> depends on the circumstance. But is quite heavy
[09:48:31] <minibnz> the old rule was the blade and handle couldn't cross the palm of your hand.. now its anything that looks like it will cut or can cut somethign..
[09:48:48] <Jymmm> minibnz: like a pencil?
[09:48:56] <minibnz> box cutter is shorter and more deadly..
[09:48:56] <Jymmm> scissors?
[09:49:15] <minibnz> ifyou brandish them you are done for sure :)
[09:49:24] <Jymmm> heh
[09:49:31] <minibnz> thats if you survive the itchy trigger fingers of the cops..
[09:49:32] <gonzo_> certain knives are classed as offensive weapons. Otherwise it;s a tool, that you have to justify. But if you used it in an illegal way it can become an offensive weapon
[09:49:51] <gonzo_> then the domino topple of offences starts
[09:50:15] <minibnz> yeah like the chef apprenticies you see at 4am with the red toolboxes on the trains.. they wont have a issue with the cops until it comes out of the box..
[09:50:28] <gonzo_> po0lice are not rutinly armed here and the ones I've seen shoot, were not good
[09:50:47] <Jymmm> gonzo_: as in evil or lousy aim?
[09:51:06] <minibnz> our cops hit most of what they aim for..
[09:51:18] <minibnz> usually the defensless :)
[09:51:45] <gregcnc> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-wound-brooklyn-shooting-suspect-wild-gun-battle-article-1.2348489
[09:51:46] <gonzo_> bad shots and cases of over reaction. As they train specifically for a threat. So have shot normal people carrying household items.
[09:52:49] <gonzo_> if there is a report of a gun, they play the whole of their procedure, step by step
[09:52:52] <minibnz> i have had a cop pull his gun on me.. when his partner was searchign my car and screams i found a gun.. and it turned out to be a fucking timing light.. i gave that cop (the searcher) a good spraying for nearly getting me shot.. he was a dickhead i used to go to school with...
[09:53:14] <minibnz> 6months later he was booted from the force.. as corrupt.. and a seteriod junkie...
[09:53:21] <minibnz> steroid..
[09:53:40] <Jymmm> minibnz: lucky you
[09:53:44] <gonzo_> a few years ago I knew someone where a passer by reported seeing a gun. He was loading a shotgun, in a case, into the car, with the gun dog and all the apparel
[09:54:34] <gonzo_> they had him lying on the road, cuffed, whilst the did the whole silly search
[09:56:17] <minibnz> i am looking at shooting profesionally. which requires an upgrade on my license then i am allowed to get a .308 semi auto with a silencer.. and that worries me a little. the rules are once i go onsite i have to first call the local police station and report that i am going to be using a gun at blah blah address that way when the pulbic call me in they dont come a running.. its the law so if i forget then i loose my license..
[09:57:10] <gonzo_> we have a similar thing, but it's just a courtacy thing
[09:57:50] <gonzo_> it would be nice if we could diy things over here. But it's pretty much tied down to commercial gun smiths
[09:57:52] <minibnz> if its a rural block i dont have to... but if its a public space then i must..
[09:58:23] <gonzo_> silencers are something we do have it easy with. Just say 'health and safety' and you can ahve one
[09:58:33] <minibnz> but if i am getting paid i will call.. its just easier that way..
[09:59:16] <gonzo_> I doubt we could have any shooting over public ares.
[09:59:46] <gonzo_> you would prob have to have a full courdon
[09:59:55] <minibnz> oh we have to apply for a commisioners permit/warrant which needs me to write a letter saying why and health and safter is no good.. i have to explain that without one i will not be commercially viable. a silencer will allow me to hit upto three animals in a pack comapred to one..
[10:00:18] <minibnz> yeah i have to put up signs and do a mail drop in the weeks before hand..
[10:00:21] <_methods> so much fuss over some silly guns
[10:01:24] <minibnz> the main reason i am doing all that is so i dont have to go drive hours to go plug a few bunnies after work.. i can get a contract with the local golfcourse and roll up in 20mins.. and i get paid for it..
[10:02:37] <minibnz> well i have a aggreement with one golf course. when i start shooting their bunnys my dad gets free golf.. works well for me as this garantees me a contract which is a requirement to get and keep my pro license. .
[10:02:53] <gonzo_> guns and shooting is more common and open over your side of the pond. Supprisingly there is a ratio over here of around 1gun/20people. But shooters keep quiet. So the general perception of guns here is all from hollywood
[10:03:17] <gonzo_> (your ratio is probably the other way around!)
[10:03:18] <minibnz> oh its the same here..
[10:03:40] <gonzo_> you US?
[10:03:44] <minibnz> im in australia we have about 3million guns in the country i think.
[10:03:57] <DaViruz> same here, most people here believe it's impossible to own guns
[10:04:00] <DaViruz> which is great really
[10:04:04] <minibnz> about 500,000 registered gun owners..
[10:04:17] <cradek> there are more guns than people in the US
[10:04:21] <gonzo_> a friend lived over there a couple of years ago. Did saay the same
[10:04:32] <minibnz> yeah means only those who really want/need a gun go thru the hassle..
[10:04:42] <_methods> 'errybody got a gat up in dis bitch
[10:04:46] <AmsterdamJoe> Can we change the IRC topic, id like to request some assistance with the CNC process for new shoes and sling-shot
[10:04:54] <gonzo_> he went over with practical race guns. Was so much bother to get them back out he just scrapped them
[10:05:09] <DaViruz> and it means people don't really call for stricter gun laws
[10:05:10] <AmsterdamJoe> "LinuxCNC is a linux-based open-source CNC control. | AmsterdamJoe need some hand-holding "
[10:05:31] <DaViruz> on the other hand they don't really need to, politicians try to sneak them by anyway
[10:05:44] <gonzo_> you are looking for shoe experts?
[10:05:44] <minibnz> i know people that came from NZ who burried their guns before comming to AU cuz our laws are strict and wont let them in..
[10:05:59] <cradek> AmsterdamJoe: always just go ahead and ask your question
[10:06:29] <AmsterdamJoe> cradek: you would have to check the sroll-back to see it, which is why im requesting a topic change
[10:06:41] <cradek> AmsterdamJoe: it's tricky but you can get used to several conversations going on at once. if one gets interesting enough, the others tend to stop
[10:07:03] <AmsterdamJoe> im afraid my issue is relativly boring
[10:07:26] <minibnz> if you look back thru the scroll back i gave you the steps you could use to make your slingshot..
[10:07:35] <AmsterdamJoe> i was beat-down in the street for my iphone and my boots were destroyed in the process
[10:07:40] <minibnz> about four lines below your request
[10:07:59] <AmsterdamJoe> now i need to get new shoes and sling shot so i can walk back and retrieve my property
[10:08:10] <minibnz> a slingshot is easy you just use anything that will draw a DXF file then use DXF2gcode and hit cut. just draw the profile you want. then you might need to add some extra paths the follow the boundry so you can bevel the edges with a 45' cutter.
[10:08:36] <AmsterdamJoe> minibnz: i remember you saying "sorry no can do"
[10:08:39] <AmsterdamJoe> about 10min ago
[10:08:44] <AmsterdamJoe> or one lifetime in IRC
[10:08:47] <minibnz> what more do you want? do you want me to draw it for you ?
[10:08:58] <minibnz> i said cant help with the shoe..
[10:09:04] <AmsterdamJoe> chill im not muggins you
[10:09:18] <AmsterdamJoe> i can give you something in exchange for "what do {i} want"
[10:09:47] <DaViruz> my hourly rate for design/cad is $150.
[10:10:47] <minibnz> do you even have a mill?
[10:11:29] <AmsterdamJoe> DaViruz: do u even have a mill?
[10:11:34] <DaViruz> i have four
[10:11:35] <minibnz> you could draw what you want in google sketchup...
[10:11:42] <AmsterdamJoe> wow
[10:11:43] <DaViruz> only three cnc controlled though
[10:11:44] <minibnz> and cut it out..
[10:12:25] <DaViruz> AmsterdamJoe: though i wasn't offering that, just the design.
[10:12:31] <DaViruz> machine work is a lot more expensive
[10:12:58] <AmsterdamJoe> do you have expirence with circus in the design?
[10:13:05] <minibnz> i would love to do modelmaking for a job but just dont know how to get the work..
[10:13:15] <AmsterdamJoe> *simple circut for laser switch
[10:13:28] <miss0r> I have a question for you bright heads; I have trammed my mill within 0.004mm with a dial on a radius of 100mm. Then when I use my flycutter, set to a radius of 80mm I get some quite feelable "nodges" where the passes cross over eachother. What could be wrong here? I do believe my flycutter to be quite sturdy
[10:13:34] <DaViruz> i think we already have a circus on our hands
[10:13:43] <AmsterdamJoe> lol
[10:13:55] <_methods> miss0r: what machine?
[10:14:06] <miss0r> AmsterdamJoe: I do have experience with PCB design
[10:14:12] <gregcnc> They were making wooden shoes with rock chisels thousands of years ago?
[10:14:13] <miss0r> _methods: A TOS FNK 25A
[10:14:28] <gregcnc> tool radius and feed rate?
[10:14:34] <AmsterdamJoe> miss0r its not a PCB, its just a battery, switch, and laser module
[10:14:51] <_methods> any bit out of tram will show up on fly cutter
[10:15:08] <miss0r> tool radius is 80mm and 28mm/min
[10:15:14] <gregcnc> tip radisu
[10:15:20] <miss0r> 0.25mm
[10:15:21] <minibnz> how powerfull a laser ? i am building a laser cutter at the moment and you need a lot more than a switch to run a high power laser.
[10:15:26] <DaViruz> even with perfect tram i would expect some back cutting
[10:15:29] <AmsterdamJoe> DaViruz: would you like to discuss job by email?
[10:15:30] <_methods> yep
[10:15:43] <_methods> especially with 80mm swing
[10:16:09] <DaViruz> AmsterdamJoe: i'm backed up a few years, i'll get back to you
[10:16:15] <AmsterdamJoe> minibnz: the laser is for a sling-shot target-indicator , not a cutter
[10:16:15] <miss0r> back cutting? (I am not good enough with the english technical terms)
[10:16:17] <gregcnc> are you getting cross hatch finish?
[10:17:07] <miss0r> gregcnc: Well. when the "rear" of the fly cytter enters the workpeice, it leaves a small scratch now and then
[10:17:11] <AmsterdamJoe> DaViruz: man its simple -- i cant guarantee it will be sucksess but it would be nice to have laser sling shot
[10:17:14] <AmsterdamJoe> wont take long
[10:17:27] <DaViruz> i'd suggest just getting a Y shaped branch
[10:17:32] <DaViruz> it's worked for hundreds of years
[10:18:32] <gregcnc> If you feed the other direction does the same side still make the deeper cut?
[10:19:00] <miss0r> yes. but only by about 0.003mm
[10:19:22] <gregcnc> RPM?
[10:19:38] <miss0r> 224 RPM
[10:21:07] <gregcnc> by fly cutter do you mean single cutting edge?
[10:21:14] <miss0r> yes
[10:22:04] <DaViruz> you get the same result regardless of feed direction?
[10:23:38] <miss0r> DaViruz: they are quite the same yes. The surface left by the flycutter is superb. but it is where they meet. i.e. I have to make two passes to cover my workpeice. where the two passes overlaps
[10:23:53] <DaViruz> oh
[10:24:00] <gregcnc> oh
[10:24:09] <miss0r> heh
[10:24:25] <DaViruz> sounds like your table isn't level with the guideways then
[10:24:44] <miss0r> now that sucks...
[10:25:10] <DaViruz> or rather, the head isn't trammed to the guideways
[10:25:19] <gregcnc> tram or way wear
[10:25:38] <miss0r> DaViruz: That is true. the head is trammed to the table
[10:26:03] <gregcnc> move the table and check tram
[10:26:07] <minibnz> i dropped out so i might have missed a response.
[10:26:08] <_methods> yeah
[10:26:18] <miss0r> gregcnc: will do so. hang on
[10:29:06] <DaViruz> could possibly be machine deflection as well, i'm not sure what kind of machine that is
[10:29:18] <_methods> tos fnk25
[10:29:23] <_methods> bridgeport clon
[10:29:24] <_methods> clone
[10:29:44] <minibnz> so not a mini mill :)
[10:29:47] <DaViruz> looks pretty sturdy
[10:29:57] <_methods> yeah his head just isn't trammed right
[10:30:12] <_methods> but good luck getting it perfect enough to make 2 passes with 80mm swing flycutter
[10:30:20] <_methods> without some mark
[10:31:03] <miss0r> now I have repeated the tram test with table moved as long as possible to the right, it went completely out of tram by 0.07mm while when the table is all the way to the left it is close to the correct tram of around 0.004mm
[10:31:05] <DaViruz> what kind of step height are we talking about?
[10:31:11] <DaViruz> a nail can sense a pretty darn miniscule step
[10:31:34] <_methods> i think he's going for cosmetics
[10:32:01] <miss0r> step height?
[10:32:17] <DaViruz> the height difference on your two cuts
[10:32:17] <minibnz> how deep are the grooves?
[10:32:52] <minibnz> i think its one cut that has ripples in it not two passes but one pass off the cutter making two set of marks
[10:33:05] <DaViruz> nah
[10:33:06] <miss0r> it looks like a small dimple of aprox 0.01mm where the passes meat up
[10:33:29] <minibnz> oh so it is two passes.. my bad..
[10:33:44] <DaViruz> miss0r: you need a surface grinder
[10:34:00] <minibnz> miss0r is the head trammed in the Y axis?
[10:34:01] <FinboySlick> We all need a surface grinder. They're awesome.
[10:34:04] <_methods> or swing a bigger fly
[10:34:13] <miss0r> DaViruz: Funny thing about that :) I bought one today. It was standing out in the rain :'( but it got it for next to nothing, and I will go pick it up next week
[10:34:15] <_methods> so you only need 1 pass
[10:34:48] <miss0r> _methods: I only mentioned two passes. The work peice is 250 ish mm across on the narrow side
[10:35:22] <_methods> unless you can tram the machine perfectly with 2 passes you'll have a visible blend line
[10:35:29] <miss0r> my fly cutter 'can' do that much, but the tool fixture is only 15mm thick, and it begins to become soft :)
[10:36:39] <FinboySlick> If you get a cross-hatch pattern while side-grinding, you know you have tramming mastered ;)
[10:37:20] <beikeland> on the topic of fly cutters and surfaces. are there any good low profile options for a (max) 10mm shank and a decent diameter (like >25mm)? Most stuff I see would eat away at most of limited 80mm Z travel
[10:37:24] <miss0r> perfect tram. I thought 0.004mm on a 100mm radius was pretty perfect
[10:37:25] <gregcnc> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/help-large-flycutter-262977/
[10:38:38] <FinboySlick> miss0r: You don't have perfect rigidity though. What happens if you push on the side of the spindle while you tram?
[10:39:02] <FinboySlick> A fly cutter isn't typically balanced, you'll have swing forces.
[10:39:26] <minibnz> beikeland i got a set of three cutters from a asian tool store cost me $39 had to but tool steel for tip but that was only $10pc for almost a foot. the small one has 10mm shank and does about 30mm in a pass. they are out there.. it is also very short.
[10:39:30] <miss0r> FinboySlick: Nothing. I have also tested this with a 0.001 dial. I can only deflect it about 0.0005mm when I amuse it with my hands
[10:39:58] <miss0r> the machine is very rigid
[10:40:42] <FinboySlick> What's the RPM of your fly cutter?
[10:41:21] <minibnz> beikland you might even need a fixed cutter, they can be really short its basically a shank with a tip welded to the side of it.
[10:41:24] <miss0r> with 80mm radius I run it at 224RPM
[10:42:03] <beikeland> minibnz: what are such things called? i have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for :)
[10:43:20] <FinboySlick> miss0r: Well, going from the assumption that your tramming is perfect, if you're getting grooves that are deeper than your tramming, flex is pretty much the only thing left to cause them.
[10:44:24] <miss0r> FinboySlick: This is my flycutter design: http://picpaste.com/20160210_171612-bDeZwEBm.jpg
[10:44:54] <miss0r> I don't like flex...
[10:47:13] <beikeland> miss0r: I like the look of that! Maybe I'll talk the big machine boys where i work into making a toy version for me:)
[10:47:29] <DaViruz> miss0r: oh! i'd get one if i had a place to put it..
[10:47:43] <DaViruz> the rain shouldn't be too much of a problem i think?
[10:47:46] <DaViruz> they're made for running wet
[10:48:00] <DaViruz> ..unless you got a dry one
[10:48:06] <miss0r> DaViruz: Not for a few days.. The question is how long it has been standing out in it
[10:48:18] <miss0r> its a not a 'dry one' :)
[10:48:45] <miss0r> beikeland: I can send you the drawings I made for it, if you are interrested
[10:48:57] <miss0r> err.. the 3D model that is
[10:49:05] <DaViruz> .5µm deflection under hand force, that's pretty darn good
[10:49:32] <beikeland> miss0r: it'd be intesting to take a look. what format are we talking?
[10:49:35] <FinboySlick> My machine flexes more than that if I look at it.
[10:49:39] <DaViruz> then TOS do make pretty nice things i believe?
[10:49:53] <FinboySlick> I call it quantum-flex.
[10:50:16] <miss0r> beikeland: This is made in googles sketchup
[10:50:23] <DaViruz> just the force from the indicator deflects the machine? :D
[10:50:48] <beikeland> miss0r: cool, just add @ gmail.com to my nick if you wanna send it :)
[10:50:50] <DaViruz> the uncertainty principle of mechanics
[10:50:57] <minibnz> beikeland this is probably better for you http://www.cnccookbook.com/MTMillDovetail.htm
[10:51:29] <minibnz> it show you how to make a cutter without welding the insert on. it uses the removable insterts like a lathe.
[10:52:45] <miss0r> DaViruz: Yesterday, completely by quencidence, I saw a documentary on the fall of the soviet union.. (This is made is tjekko slovakia?) They actualy interviewed a guy whom worked there from 1987 to 1991. The soviet masters ordered them to up their production for export, and since they could not build the mills faster, they just added more cast iron (500kg per unit) that way it looked better
[10:52:45] <miss0r> on the export forms. and not by planning, they ended up with a pretty damn good machine - better than original
[10:53:23] <DaViruz> :D
[10:53:32] <gregcnc> I could have sworn there were 10mm shank indexable endmills with 25-30mm heads all over ebay couple years ago
[10:54:19] <PetefromTn_> morning folks
[10:54:44] <DaViruz> i've seen a bunch of MT indexable endmills in that size range, but none with a 10mm shaft i believe
[10:55:37] <miss0r> beikeland: You should have recieved the drawing
[10:55:58] <DaViruz> a friend of mine has a bunch of soviet lathes, quite noisy but pretty nice machines
[10:56:46] <miss0r> can't beat old fashion cast iron
[10:57:32] <beikeland> miss0r: i did indeed, thanks! just realised i haven't updated sketchup in a while. It said file was for version 14.x and i had version 8.x. Shame on me :P
[10:57:39] <miss0r> Just for the fun of it, I made two surfaces, one of steel and the other of aluminum, using the flycutter. They were both machined in one pass each. I can lift the aluminium off the floor just by placing the steel block on top of it.
[10:58:00] <miss0r> beikeland: I can probally convert it if you like?
[10:58:10] <DaViruz> http://lathes.co.uk/stankoimport/
[10:58:13] <minibnz> its bed time.. i will talk with u all later..
[10:58:15] <miss0r> I can if you want
[10:58:18] <beikeland> its probably time tp update :))
[10:58:26] <miss0r> alright
[10:58:30] <DaViruz> wow, plenty of information on them
[10:58:57] <miss0r> DaViruz: it actualy looks somewhat sexy :)
[10:59:44] <DaViruz> the clutch operates in reverse to what most people are used to, so it can be a little tricky to work with until you get used to it
[10:59:49] <miss0r> DaViruz: http://www.lathes.co.uk/arboga/ I have the arboga U2508, which I converted to CNC
[11:00:16] <DaViruz> made here!
[11:00:44] <miss0r> you from sweden?
[11:00:45] <gregcnc> I have an Arboga EM825
[11:00:55] <DaViruz> miss0r: yeah
[11:01:36] <miss0r> DaViruz: alright.. after pulling it apart to refurbish it i... well, lets just say we need to talk about swedish craftmanship ;)
[11:01:44] <miss0r> gregcnc: converted to cnc?
[11:01:58] <DaViruz> miss0r: where're you from?
[11:02:04] <miss0r> DaViruz: Denmark
[11:02:05] <gregcnc> not cnc
[11:02:12] <DaViruz> oh no, our arch enemies
[11:02:39] <miss0r> DaViruz: Call us enemies all you like, we have cheaper beer than you ;)
[11:02:43] <DaViruz> miss0r: well just get a danish made one then! oh wait, you're too busy drinking beer on the job to make machine tools ;)
[11:02:58] * miss0r now regrets the beer comment
[11:04:04] <miss0r> actualy drinking beer on the workplace what sort of a 'thing' back in the '80s and early '90s. That is a long gone chapter now.
[11:04:25] <DaViruz> it wasn't too uncommon here either
[11:04:30] <roycroft> the only time i drink beer while working is when i'm brewing beer and even then i take it easy
[11:05:02] <miss0r> I need something with sugar in it anyway :)
[11:05:04] <DaViruz> go back to the 60's 70's and people were outright drunk on the job
[11:05:10] <FinboySlick> "Hold my beer and check this out." -- famous last words
[11:05:49] <roycroft> beer starts out as sugar
[11:06:08] <miss0r> theres one profession in Denmark where I wouldn't trust a sober man doing the job: masons. The best work I have seen putting tiles on a floor was done by a man using nothing but his shoes for measurement and he was outright drunk while doing so
[11:09:45] <DaViruz> i believe in the printing industry drinking beer was pretty commonplace recently, if not still
[11:10:59] <DaViruz> at least thats what everyone in the swedish printing industry says ;)
[11:12:59] <roycroft> i have nothing against drinking, nor recreational pot smoking
[11:13:04] <roycroft> on people's own time
[11:13:27] <roycroft> even if their work is not dangerous, people owe it to their employers to be sober when at work
[11:13:43] <roycroft> there is a loss of productivity when inebriated
[11:13:58] <roycroft> i consider that a form of theft
[11:14:08] <FinboySlick> Dunno, it might help me ignore my annoying coworke.
[11:14:15] <DaViruz> i don't disagree with that
[11:14:24] <FinboySlick> *coworker
[11:14:26] <_methods> hahah
[11:14:29] <DaViruz> except for the theft part perhaps, i don't like too general uses of the word
[11:14:31] <chris_99> doesn't that depend on the type of work roycroft, for artwork it could aid it ;)
[11:14:38] <roycroft> sadly, a large number, perhaps the majority of my fellow homebrewers disagree
[11:14:50] <roycroft> most artists are self-employed
[11:15:02] <FinboySlick> So they owe it to themselves? ;)
[11:15:20] <roycroft> that's their own business
[11:15:43] <roycroft> i'm pretty much a your rights end at my nose kind of person
[11:16:27] <FinboySlick> Actually, is it bad that reading this chat distracts me enough from my coworker that I tend to be more productive?
[11:17:45] <roycroft> now a self-employed machinist who might suffer injury from being intoxicated while working *is* my business
[11:18:19] <roycroft> whether i'm in a country that has universal health care or a country where folks have private insurance, the tax/premium is based on average cost of providing care
[11:18:40] <FinboySlick> That's the start of a slippery slope, roycroft.
[11:18:46] <roycroft> so when people engage in dangerous activites like operating machinery while intoxicated, that drives my tax/premium up
[11:19:23] <roycroft> unless there is a legal proviso holding the person wholly responsible in such ases
[11:19:25] <roycroft> cases
[11:19:47] <roycroft> but even then, a compassionate society will not refuse to provide care for a person who can't afford it
[11:20:02] <FinboySlick> Sure. But there are ways to do that charitably.
[11:20:03] <roycroft> so we may end up carrying the burden anyway
[11:20:46] <DaViruz> roycroft: what about people partaking in dangerous hobbies?
[11:20:56] <DaViruz> be it hill climbing, motocross, parachutes or whatever
[11:21:12] <roycroft> their premiums/taxes should be adjusted accordingly
[11:21:19] <roycroft> since they are putting themselves at higher risk
[11:21:35] <DaViruz> hmm
[11:21:37] <FinboySlick> Same for your machinist then.
[11:21:41] <roycroft> where it gets really tricky though is people who live unhealthy lifestyles
[11:21:42] <DaViruz> no sure that would be practical to implement
[11:21:47] <roycroft> obesity
[11:21:51] <roycroft> as an example
[11:22:04] <roycroft> smokers already pay much higher premiums, as should be the case
[11:22:11] <DaViruz> i don't expect anything good would come from such a system
[11:22:12] <roycroft> but should there be a fat tax?
[11:22:38] <roycroft> if so, what about people who are genetically predisposed to obesity, vs. people who just like to eat a lot?
[11:22:39] <miss0r> we have that in demark :)
[11:23:04] <FinboySlick> eugenics will get all that fixed
[11:23:06] <DaViruz> seems pointless, everyone knows you're all fat ;)
[11:23:13] <miss0r> not about people thou. You just pay additional money for fat food :)
[11:23:17] <roycroft> you should quit raising so many pigs then, if you want to tax fat people
[11:23:17] <miss0r> indeed
[11:23:33] <roycroft> ok, tax the pigs
[11:23:36] <roycroft> that's fine
[11:26:17] <FinboySlick> OK, collectivism overdose. I'm going to have some fat lunch ;)
[11:27:16] <miss0r> damnit! TOS karim makes some pretty nice manuals with detailed drawings of everything, and every little screw has a refrence number you can look up in the manual. only not all the refrence numbers are in there :
[11:28:01] <miss0r> I am looking to tighten the guideways of my x travel. I have two screws inside eachother in the end, somehow inside the dovetail joint. I only have no idea what to do with it :)
[11:28:23] <PetefromTn_> Read the manual?
[11:28:31] <archivist> taper gib
[11:29:00] <archivist> note other end of gib does that have a screw too
[11:29:42] <miss0r> archivist: I onlt have one screw in one end
[11:29:54] <miss0r> one screw = two screws inside eachother
[11:30:46] <archivist> they might have put the two screw at one end, first time I have heard of that for a taper gib
[11:31:12] <miss0r> well, I can tell you theres nothing in the other end
[11:31:24] <archivist> you need the manual to know which way to unlock before you adjust
[11:32:04] <archivist> usually I see broken/bend screws on taper gib
[11:33:09] <archivist> clue to type is one end of the gib slot is thinner than the other
[11:33:55] <miss0r> So what I am essentialy to do, is get it tightened to 'wedge' the god in there
[11:33:57] <miss0r> ?
[11:34:02] <miss0r> gib*
[11:34:50] <archivist> set it in the right position for minimum play without it wedging and stopping movement
[11:36:08] <miss0r> I will look at that after dinner
[11:36:09] <miss0r> bbiab
[11:59:51] <JT-Shop> archivist: do you have that link on microstepping?
[12:01:09] <archivist> http://www.micromo.com/microstepping-myths-and-realities
[12:01:21] <_methods> i can't believe garry shandling got 2nd place in new hampshire
[12:02:19] <JT-Shop> thanks
[12:06:19] <gregcnc> I saw something from TI (?) about half stepping saying you can increase the current for the active phase by 1.4 and get full torque. i guess this assumes a single phase can dissipate as much heat as two.
[12:08:23] <archivist> I would think some over driving like servo motors should be ok especially with encoder feedback
[12:08:47] <archivist> but some might be demagnetised by that
[12:20:34] <maxcnc> hi all from a rainy germany
[12:21:08] <gregcnc> it won't be raining in chicago today
[12:21:19] <PetefromTn_> snowin' here
[12:21:21] <gregcnc> -11°C
[12:21:33] <PetefromTn_> whats that little C mean? ;)
[12:21:54] <archivist> effin cold
[12:22:23] <gregcnc> tonight will be -17
[12:23:26] <jdh> snow sucks
[12:23:37] <PetefromTn_> INDEED
[12:23:39] <jdh> you should move someplace warmer
[12:23:40] <gregcnc> 13F now for the rest of you and I had to change car battery before it got warm this morning
[12:23:57] <PetefromTn_> workin' on it ;)
[12:24:20] <maxcnc> oh id did snow here also today but nothing on the ground
[12:25:19] <PetefromTn_> we never get more than a few inches but it was white this morning, now its almost melted off...
[12:25:53] <maxcnc> GOOD news today to you all, Today in newspapere the new Hiking map wars anounced and it says the Projekt from the Romes is closed on end of this year
[12:26:38] <maxcnc> that means that my Boss is back soon
[12:27:07] <PetefromTn_> is it bad that my youngest daughter can watch youtube videos of cats playing and doing stupid things all day long and laugh at it like its the funniest thing she ever saw?
[12:27:29] <SpeedEvil> That depends if she's 36 or not.
[12:27:31] <maxcnc> they anounced 65km of bike and walk ways http://wandern-clausen.de/
[12:27:49] <PetefromTn_> she is 9
[12:28:12] <maxcnc> 5-9 is best
[12:28:28] <maxcnc> they look Q and do what you say
[12:28:29] <PetefromTn_> I suppose it could be worse there is a helluva lot worse things she could be watching on youtube
[12:28:43] <maxcnc> but from 10-15 its a hard time for parents
[12:29:00] <maxcnc> and then its best to be not the parent
[12:29:18] <maxcnc> of a female
[12:29:25] <PetefromTn_> I know I have raised two stepkids and they are both grown and on their own now...
[12:29:39] <JT-Shop> best is to be a grandparent, spoil them and send them back lol
[12:30:17] <maxcnc> PetefromTn_: how far is then next shopping mall from home
[12:30:20] <archivist> even better is old free and single
[12:30:39] <PetefromTn_> from which home?
[12:30:53] <maxcnc> im working within 200shops area so they like'd to stay with dad
[12:31:17] * Loetmichel just bought a '94 BMW 316i... for 450 eur. To have a car that works 'til my mechanic has time to look into my Opel Omega which loses oil by the gallon... (turbocharger bearing dead i think)... maaan what a pile of sh** ... 288'000km on the odometer... rust at every corner... but 3 months letf to the next MOT... so i can legally drive it for three months without worrying. AFTER i will
[12:31:18] * Loetmichel have a day off tomorrow to get the Paperwork done and get some licence plates for it... still cheaper than a rental car for a month ;)
[12:32:00] <PetefromTn_> Congrats Loetmichel.....I think ;)
[12:33:47] <Loetmichel> hmm, the 316i is a rust bucket. but it dosent leak oil to the outside nor rain to the inside... and it dosent smell kile a box of havannas smoked and then extignuished on the floor like the Company car (merc E-class) does
[12:33:50] <gregcnc> i sold a 328i last year in that condition
[12:33:55] <gregcnc> 96
[12:34:12] <Loetmichel> anyways: i cant borrow the company merc for weeks to come so i had to see to a replacement
[12:34:41] <_methods> my boss's kid is like 9 and he wants to go watch deadpool
[12:34:52] <_methods> PetefromTn_: you should be happy she's happy with cats
[12:35:08] <PetefromTn_> I thought the one of the big deals about BMW's was that they were supposed to be completely dipped in some kinda no rust coating,,,, apparently not!
[12:35:44] <gregcnc> never heard that
[12:35:50] <PetefromTn_> I don't know what deadpool is but there are lots of facebook posts about NOT taking your kids to see it..... must be bad I guess LOL
[12:36:08] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: not the ooooold ones ;)
[12:36:10] <_methods> yeah pretty sure you're not supposed to take your 9y/o
[12:37:02] <PetefromTn_> huh to me a 94 is not what I would consider an OLD one...
[12:37:15] <PetefromTn_> but then again I drive a 2001 Astro van LOL
[12:37:22] <_methods> hahah
[12:37:32] <_methods> pete you rollin in the guadalajara special?
[12:37:33] <gregcnc> my 97 328iS has no rust at all.
[12:38:12] <gregcnc> but interior is peeling off
[12:40:04] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: It's a superhero movie, but not really Disney-clean like the other ones.
[12:41:42] <PetefromTn_> _methods yuk it up fuzzball...
[12:41:46] <PetefromTn_> I love my VAN
[12:42:01] <PetefromTn_> had several of these now and keep going back to them
[12:42:09] <PetefromTn_> too bad they don't make them anymore
[12:42:22] <PetefromTn_> FinboySlick yeah thats what I gather
[12:45:14] <_methods> heheh
[12:45:49] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Toyota might have a new van for you: http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/25/toyota-sienna-off-road-new-headquarters/
[12:45:53] <_methods> there's a car auction by my work every tuesday and saturday and the mexicans buy all the minivans up
[12:47:52] <PetefromTn_> FinboySlick That's not a 4x4 van thats a freaking toy....
[12:48:02] <PetefromTn_> http://www.fordcampervans.com/images/sportsmobile-4wd.jpg THATS a 4x4 VAN
[12:48:06] <_methods> i guess that won't be happening any more once the trumpanator builds his wall and kills all the mexicans
[12:48:23] <_methods> obviously after they build the wall and pay for it
[12:49:37] <PetefromTn_> I have had fullsize trucks, SUV's and every other kind of car and I have yet to find a vehicle that is as capable as my van is for MOST things. Plus it is pretty comfortable to drive
[12:50:08] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Well, if you're going retro: http://www.thefcconnection.com/photogallery/2008%20Phoenix%20Roundup/Dan%20Horenberger%20679-2.JPG
[12:50:23] <PetefromTn_> I love that I can put an entire sheet of plywood inside it and close the doors and put all of my tools inside it and lock it up etc.
[12:50:26] <FinboySlick> Back when Jeep still was Jeep.
[12:50:37] <PetefromTn_> thats not retro man
[12:51:43] <FinboySlick> I'd actually love to have a Jeep FC.
[12:51:48] <FinboySlick> They're so cute.
[12:52:03] <PetefromTn_> http://www.sportsmobile.com/
[12:52:17] <_methods> that's wild i never knew jeep made a scooby doo van
[12:52:50] <PetefromTn_> I think I would just get an Unimog or a volvo
[12:53:06] <FinboySlick> _methods: The FC is more common with a pickup bed, but they did have a van version. Army ambulances typically.
[12:54:29] <gregcnc> that new version of the FC looked cool. http://www.gizmag.com/jeep-mighty-fc-concept/21983/
[12:55:14] <FinboySlick> gregcnc: Kinda, but it sort of lost its soul. A bit like the PowerWagon concept. Still doesn't hold a candle to the original.
[12:55:15] <PetefromTn_> that IS cool..
[12:55:34] <PetefromTn_> if it was sort of an extra cab or a full van body that thing would be BEAST
[12:56:18] <gregcnc> that's what I was thinking four doors
[12:56:25] <PetefromTn_> honestly that thing looks much more than a prototype...that looks like a complete vehicle to me
[12:56:43] <FinboySlick> http://www.wikimotiveblogs.com/kendallramblog/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2015/01/1949-Dodge-Power-Wagon-e1412604846986.jpg <-- Proper 'modern' power wagon.
[12:56:46] <PetefromTn_> lots of wrangler parts
[12:57:34] <PetefromTn_> I could see that thing doing quite well a vehicle that is kickass offroad yet can haul something when you need it....
[12:57:51] <gregcnc> those powerwagons had like 92 HP.
[12:58:00] <PetefromTn_> of course the penny counters and the EPA folks will kill that bitch before it breathes
[12:58:29] <jdh> people up the street moved here from FL. for several years they whined about missing florida so they finally moved back down there
[12:59:12] <jdh> for almost a year... then moved back here to the same street
[12:59:25] <maxcnc> im off gn8
[13:01:07] <PetefromTn_> jdh I have heard that before and I have heard the opposite
[13:01:09] <CaptHindsight> all vehicles should be transparent since you have nothing to hide
[13:01:21] <PetefromTn_> my brother moved up here with his family a few years back
[13:01:41] <PetefromTn_> he was here for like two years and could not wait to move back.
[13:01:55] <PetefromTn_> He now lives in PSL and has for quite a few years no plans to move back
[13:02:18] <PetefromTn_> My brother in law moved here from California several years ago to live near us
[13:02:25] <PetefromTn_> he was here for like 2 years as well...
[13:02:37] <PetefromTn_> now hes' back in Norcal with no plans to move back
[13:02:45] <PetefromTn_> to each his own I guess
[13:02:57] <PetefromTn_> Florida is far from perfect
[13:03:09] <PetefromTn_> but it is what I am used to and I mostly grew up down there
[13:03:42] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight is that the big brothermobile?
[13:05:55] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: that sounds crazy, this is for security
[13:06:16] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry my mistake
[13:06:43] <CaptHindsight> same for houses, schools, backpacks....
[13:07:51] <PetefromTn_> heh we had to have see thru backpacks here for a few years
[13:10:18] <CaptHindsight> did they catch all the Muslims trying to sneak in and signal the all clear?
[13:12:14] <gregcnc> photochopped FC four door
[13:13:47] <gregcnc> http://imgur.com/sImynNO
[13:14:07] <PetefromTn_> that may well be the PERFECT vehicle ;)
[13:18:29] <Erant> FloppyDisk: Eh, maybe not. The Compact 8 guy relisted his ad.
[13:19:19] <Erant> Though I'm going to put that on the backburner. I've got another project that just requires my mill.
[13:19:38] <FloppyDisk> Erant - the $1000 ad you're talking about?
[13:20:04] <CaptHindsight> looks like something terrorists would drive
[13:20:12] <FloppyDisk> I see he's West San Jose, then there is 'lathe tooling' forsale from Cambrian/willow glen.
[13:20:28] <FloppyDisk> I wonder if it's the same guy parting it out... Also, he says 'collets' included? strange.
[13:20:42] <CaptHindsight> tinted windows, room for Muslim leaflets
[13:23:29] <PetefromTn_> maybe they know something most here don't know?
[13:26:07] <FinboySlick> gregcnc: Nice job.
[13:30:34] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/Ve5EWI_WajA?t=8s CLEAR CAR @ CES 2015
[13:31:19] <gregcnc> FinboySlick google turned that up
[13:31:29] <FinboySlick> That front-right wheel would never work.
[13:34:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah there is just not enough tread there
[13:36:25] <gregcnc> what? At least 75% tread left..
[13:39:38] <PetefromTn_> almost done with the new 3 rotor exhaust manifold plates here then I just gotta machine a couple rails and I should be done with CNC machining until we get moved....
[13:57:01] <gregcnc> PetefromTn_ i was reading this this am. 9.2cc http://tir38.com/archives/73
[14:19:30] <miss0r> i've just done some measuerements I haven't gotten around to doing on my new mill. When I measure on the table of the mill with a dovetail dial, and move the table from one end to the other, I end up having 0.05mm height difference working its way up gradualy from one end to the other. What is the cause of this?
[14:26:20] <cradek> it sounds like the ways and the table surface aren't parallel
[14:27:20] <miss0r> which would suck!
[14:28:20] <cradek> many machines come from the factory not quite finished
[14:28:56] <cradek> is a tolerance of .05-.1 mm important for the kind of work you do?
[14:29:35] <miss0r> yep :)
[14:30:03] <cradek> then you might have a problem
[14:30:13] <miss0r> with this imperfection I would have to triple the surface grinder time afterwards
[14:30:40] <cradek> if the machine is new and out of spec, perhaps you can return it for repair or replacement
[14:30:41] <PetefromTn_> what kind of machine is it?
[14:30:46] <cradek> (is there a spec?)
[14:31:19] <miss0r> there is a spec sheet. but I doubt the TOS Kurim would take a complaint about a 1988 machine serious ;)
[14:31:37] <cradek> ah, "new"
[14:31:41] <cradek> new to you
[14:31:46] <miss0r> I just got it - new :)
[14:31:47] <miss0r> yeah
[14:32:07] <PetefromTn_> gregcnc Not sure what that Rotary cad is honestly it does not appear to be close to the factory RX7 in anything more than just basic design
[14:32:20] <miss0r> factory measurements says it had a 0.017mm height difference across the table
[14:32:55] <miss0r> but who knows how hard people have been trying to kill it the past ~30 years
[14:33:20] <cradek> is the saddle dovetail or box or rails?
[14:34:48] <miss0r> dovetail
[14:34:55] <miss0r> the Y and Z axis is box
[14:35:18] <cradek> so the underside of the table and top of the saddle are dovetail
[14:35:29] <miss0r> indeed
[14:35:29] <cradek> it is probably just worn...
[14:35:50] <cradek> check that your oiling system is oiling
[14:36:10] <miss0r> it is. I checked that before powering it up.
[14:36:42] <PetefromTn_> if it is just the X axis you may be able to adjust it out
[14:37:04] <miss0r> shouldn't such wear normaly be localized - i.e. show up as 'bumps' somewhere along the way? I just think a quite, what seems to me, linear increase/decrease of hight seems a bit odd
[14:37:12] <cradek> shaping or scraping...
[14:37:34] <cradek> yeah, usually loose in the center and saggy downward on both ends of travel
[14:37:51] <miss0r> cradek: are we talking how it was made to fit from factory? then scraping
[14:38:20] <cradek> be aware that your test with an indicator in the spindle won't tell you whether the table moves in a straight line - it is almost certainly moving in an arc
[14:38:22] <miss0r> some serious man-hours went into this machine
[14:38:54] <miss0r> hmmm.. I will go test for that
[14:39:05] <cradek> simple tests can tell you something is wrong - much harder to tell what it is
[14:39:37] <miss0r> if nothing else works, I will remove the table and have en ground on all surfaces
[14:39:46] <cradek> they may have had a vise at one end of the table for most of its life
[14:40:10] <anomynous> cnc and laser it? :D
[14:40:59] <miss0r> anomynous: heh, nothing beats a surface grinder. well.. scraping does, but I have no idea how to do so. well, I grasp the concept, but I have never tried to do so myself
[14:41:18] <cradek> if the dovetails are worn, grinding the table top will just give you different problems
[14:41:21] <miss0r> I wish I could CNC my way out of everything
[14:41:28] <cradek> think way more than twice before you cut anything
[14:41:29] <anomynous> i dont know how lasering the maching works. Is it possible to do it yourself?
[14:41:33] <anomynous> a*
[14:41:36] <miss0r> cradek: I will have the dovetails ground as well
[14:41:54] <anomynous> like take measurements and then add fixes to control that compensate for wear etc
[14:42:46] <miss0r> anomynous: sounds a bit complicated :) if what you are suggesting is even possible, it would be much for costly for a worn machine of this age
[14:43:07] <anomynous> unless you do it yourself? :D
[14:44:05] <miss0r> I always do a calculation. If I can't do something my self and save 30USD/hour doing so, it is not worth it.
[14:45:37] <anomynous> i heard it takes a week to do it as you have to measure it mil by mil
[14:45:44] <anomynous> so you save 30*many times
[14:45:46] <anomynous> :]
[14:47:14] <miss0r> if((price of having someone else do it)<((the time I have to use)*(30USD))) (Have someone else do it);
[14:48:58] <anomynous> i wonder if you can find anyone do it for $30
[14:49:27] <gregcnc> can you map ball screw compensation table to a different axis to correct for way wear. Like in a lathe, say at Z1.0 comp X .0001,. , .
[14:50:23] <miss0r> anomynous: you mean $30/hour
[14:51:12] <anomynous> miss0r, maybe. Im not sure.
[14:51:55] <anomynous> gregcnc, whats the thing they measure it with
[14:52:01] <anomynous> wear
[14:52:19] <gregcnc> parts made
[14:52:30] <anomynous> um?
[14:52:36] <anomynous> ah
[14:52:54] <gregcnc> say you have taper in the parts
[14:53:02] <anomynous> yes, yes
[14:53:10] <anomynous> but they do some lasering too ;D
[14:53:19] <anomynous> what kind of things are those
[14:54:06] <gregcnc> I've heard of it, but I'm not sure it's very common outside of very high volume production
[14:54:34] <gregcnc> I mean the laser measuring
[15:15:57] <PetefromTn_> well shit I just got in a hurry and loaded a modified program that opens up the holes in these plates for the larger diameter 2" stainless tube fittings and FORGOT to change my Z offset for the fixture... Needless to say that brand new Maritool variable did it's best for a couple seconds while it plunged thru the 1/2 inch fixture until it snapped off LOL. Funny thing is the spindle was at 3600 RPM and it hardly slowed down a
[15:16:21] <SpeedEvil> :/
[15:16:45] <PetefromTn_> that's what happens when you get in a hurry.... at least that is what happens when I get in a hurry :D
[15:16:49] <cradek> I've drilled at rapid speed - it cuts pretty fast, for a while
[15:17:28] <PetefromTn_> heh I know right... just a couple moments of panic while it does its best to comply with your orders....good little slave it is
[15:17:53] <cradek> it's funny how you can watch the drill just disappear until the chuck hits the work, and then long after it's all over, you hit the stop button
[15:18:30] <PetefromTn_> OUCHIE....very OUCHIE hehehe
[15:19:03] <cradek> it ferrored long before I "stopped" it, since the head bounced back up a foot or so after it hit
[15:19:10] <PetefromTn_> I rapid a bit into the work before and it actually bent the bit and snapped off the end... Luckily I did not go so deep the chuck was anywhere near it...
[15:19:23] <PetefromTn_> HOLY :D
[15:19:58] <cradek> that's the only time I crashed my vmc since I got it
[15:20:01] <miss0r> damn
[15:20:16] <cradek> didn't hurt it at all - just ruined the drill chuck (and the work of course)
[15:20:17] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could say this was the only time I crashed it
[15:20:30] <PetefromTn_> I have had a couple O shit moments running the Cinci
[15:20:43] <cradek> I was MDIing a drill cycle and didn't set Z
[15:20:49] <PetefromTn_> mostly I have ran the endmill thru the work too hard/fast
[15:20:58] <cradek> yeah that hardly counts :-)
[15:21:08] <PetefromTn_> well it counted to me man
[15:21:30] <cradek> heh
[15:21:38] <PetefromTn_> like one time I cutoff some 1x2 bar for the rails too long
[15:21:51] <PetefromTn_> my program cuts from the outside in in full depth passes
[15:22:04] <PetefromTn_> kinda peeling away until you get to the center part
[15:22:37] <PetefromTn_> well when the stock is too long you find that the endmill STILL insists on going around the same way the program tells it to despite the increased resistance ;)
[15:23:15] <PetefromTn_> that was interesting and it actually cut for a couple seconds before I got to the OH DAMN button
[15:40:27] <miss0r> I should install one of thoes. I only have a 'holy fucking shit' button
[15:41:25] <PetefromTn_> well I said it was the OH DAMN button not what expletives came out of my mouth at the time ;)
[15:41:49] <miss0r> hehe
[15:42:48] <miss0r> due to the fact that I sometimes have 3 CNCs running at the same time, I have installed a power cut button at the entrance door. I have never used it thou - it is used when something makes a noise, which makes clear you have no time to figure out what mill it is
[15:43:18] <SpeedEvil> Or roaring tongues of flame.
[15:43:44] <miss0r> SpeedEvil: nah.. i'll act like I haven't seen it, and let insurance take care of the rest :)
[15:45:27] <PetefromTn_> I have run more than one CNC at a time in the shops I worked in. always made me nervous as hell LOL
[15:45:38] <PetefromTn_> even with totally proven programs
[15:47:52] <miss0r> PetefromTn_: think of my nerves here: this is my own shop. and two of the CNCs are of the homebrew sort
[15:49:45] <miss0r> which reminds me; I need to photo document this shop before I torch is (accidentaly/arson). for insurance purpose :)
[15:58:58] <_methods> damn last shop i worked at it was expected to run more than 1
[15:59:17] <_methods> if you were only running 1 machine then you were doing a setup lol
[15:59:56] <_methods> and if you got caught with rapid or feedrate overides on you'd get written up
[16:00:38] <miss0r> hehe. i'm defenitly the amature in here. I am an electrician in the day hours. here at night I run my shop
[16:01:24] <_methods> heh operators used to turn the feed override to 0% so the green light would stay on
[16:01:34] <_methods> and it would look like the machine was running
[16:03:30] <miss0r> to fool the suporvisors?
[16:03:35] <_methods> yeah
[16:03:50] <_methods> most cnc machines have a light pole at the top with diff color lights
[16:03:59] <_methods> so floor supervisors can see problem machines
[16:04:16] <_methods> but if you turn the feedrate to 0 it looks like the machine is still running the program
[16:04:24] <_methods> the green light stays on
[16:05:40] <miss0r> indeed
[16:06:02] <miss0r> I might call up putin, and ask him to take back this machine on behalf of the soviet union!
[16:06:40] <miss0r> I can't get it to sit straight. I'm starting to fear it might be worn out... and it wasn't even a little funny getting this 5000lbs mill into my shop!
[16:06:57] <miss0r> err... 4000lbs
[16:07:08] <miss0r> still not funny thou
[16:07:59] <_methods> sit straight?
[16:08:04] <_methods> what's wrong with it?
[16:09:08] <miss0r> a few things. :) at the moment I have noticed a dial in the spindle will gradualy incline 0.05mm across the lenght of the X axis (1.2m travel)
[16:09:22] <miss0r> also, I think the cludge for the power feed might be very worn
[16:12:57] <miss0r> bleh. I have to head off to bed (have mentioned daytime job to attent tomorrow.) Have a good one
[16:14:44] <PetefromTn_> _methods I hear ya man and here I am LOVING that feedrate override to keep me sane
[16:15:28] <PetefromTn_> when I worked in the production shop down south here they were all about getting it done but they had very proven programs and all you had to worry about was tool wear and tolerances...
[16:16:30] <PetefromTn_> working in the job shops it is a little different, they STILL want you to run as fast as you can but almost every program is an unproven one you just made so you gotta be able to deal with that uncertainty and get to where you can run quick but safe. Not an easy edge to balance on for me.
[16:17:16] <CaptHindsight> _methods: what are the color levels? Red, Yellow, Green or?
[16:17:19] <_methods> yeah, well i USED to work there
[16:17:25] <PetefromTn_> You get to where you use only toolpaths you truly know work well and then just adjust things from there and use processes that are proven
[16:17:27] <_methods> some machines just have red and green
[16:17:33] <_methods> i never liked that policy
[16:17:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah HAAS is red and green
[16:17:56] <_methods> i got a "counseling" session one time because my spindle load was too low
[16:18:03] <PetefromTn_> and the green blinks as I recall
[16:18:18] <_methods> was not a fun place to work
[16:18:23] <Jymmm> Just be glad your not OCD… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8nbHYOc8ns
[16:18:29] <PetefromTn_> I know that running hard is how you make money but it sure as hell makes life interesting
[16:18:45] <_methods> yeah it made for some interesting situations for sure
[16:19:03] <_methods> i'm glad i was a programmer/setup and not an operator there that's for sure
[16:19:55] <PetefromTn_> in the job shops you are both
[16:20:05] <_methods> yeah
[16:20:13] <_methods> that's how my shop is now
[16:20:21] <_methods> but i only have to go out and setup complicated stuff
[16:20:24] <PetefromTn_> I must say that I did learn a lot in that crucible LOL
[16:20:42] <Deejay> gn8
[16:20:51] <PetefromTn_> GN8 DEEJAY!!!!
[16:21:51] <_methods> now i do more work with customers/sales, program and draw parts
[16:21:57] <Deejay> yay, pete :)
[16:22:19] <_methods> i don't get much time on the machines anymore
[16:46:16] <PetefromTn_> Well these parts are finally finished last one is coming off the VMC now. Gotta go deliver them and then I can come home tonight and finish the last few rails orders I have to do.
[17:38:04] <Loetmichel> *MUHAHAHA* german advertisement for a discount supermarket. -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klPJZ_hR0hI ... these guys top themselves with every new ad they do ;)
[17:41:22] <_methods> STOP for hedgehog
[17:46:43] <__rob> anyone able to tell me what the point of having a jacobs chuck on a tapered arbour is ?
[17:46:59] <__rob> that incase something sticks when drilling it will come off the taper ?
[17:47:22] <__rob> because they seem to just fall off every now and again after being rattled around in my ATC
[17:47:36] <__rob> tempted to just glue them together
[17:48:24] <andypugh> It’s just the way that they can offer separate chucks and arbors
[17:48:53] <__rob> right, which is fine for a lathe
[17:48:59] <__rob> but for a milling machine or drill press
[17:49:02] <andypugh> You can get integral-shank chucks. They are shorter and stronger.
[17:49:04] <__rob> it seems retarded
[17:49:18] <__rob> I had an ATC crash , and 2 fell off their arbours
[17:49:24] <andypugh> I don’t have any JT chucks on milling arbors.
[17:49:40] <Wolf_> I would rather use ER collets then chucks
[17:49:49] <__rob> I've run out
[17:50:01] <__rob> but yea, that was my prefernece
[17:50:09] <__rob> it was just I got these 'free' with the mill
[17:50:14] <__rob> so thought I would use them for drilling
[17:50:23] <andypugh> http://www.ctctools.biz/16mm-keyless-high-precision-drill-chuck-with-bt-arbor-f75/
[17:50:30] <__rob> http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=31826
[17:50:32] <__rob> these things
[17:50:38] <__rob> + http://www.tormach.com/product_tts_jttools.html
[17:51:03] <andypugh> Ah. I don’t know if you can get integral-shank on Tormach arbors
[17:51:30] <__rob> think i'm gonna just put some thread lock on them
[17:51:41] <__rob> see if that keeps it on
[17:51:42] <Wolf_> if you are using TTS, just get the china ER collets
[17:51:57] <__rob> well I've run out of the TTS ER holders
[17:52:09] <Wolf_> buy more…
[17:52:09] <__rob> I've got plenty of collets
[17:52:23] <__rob> yea, I will, just seemed a shame to waste these JT chicks
[17:52:25] <andypugh> Tormach is 20mm?
[17:52:25] <__rob> chucks
[17:52:26] <andypugh> http://www.ctctools.biz/16mm-keyless-high-precision-drill-chuck-with-20mm-shank-l132/
[17:52:39] <__rob> 30, 25, 20
[17:52:41] <__rob> I think
[17:52:43] <__rob> I've got 20
[17:54:36] <andypugh> ctc can end your pain for £33 then :-)
[17:54:49] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/252015116411
[17:55:48] <__rob> those wont work with the ATC
[17:56:11] <__rob> needs that groove round the middle
[17:56:13] <Wolf_> someone else makes them with the TTS ATC slot on them
[17:56:21] <__rob> just looking
[17:57:36] <Wolf_> you could probably add a plastic ring or something to the china ones tho to make it work
[17:57:37] <__rob> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tormach-TTS-Tool-Rack-Stainless-Steel-/191800873056?hash=item2ca8391060:g:TyoAAOSwzhVWtA7c
[17:57:41] <__rob> how people can sell that
[17:57:49] <__rob> for $60, to someone who obviously has a mill ..
[17:58:09] <__rob> and could cut a bit of metal like that no problem
[17:58:13] <Wolf_> lol yeah
[17:58:25] <jdh> looks ok though.
[17:58:51] <jdh> and who has a brake
[17:59:41] <__rob> suppose, $60 on a machine will go in no time
[18:00:03] <__rob> Wolf_ did you see the ones with the ATC slot ?
[18:00:20] <Wolf_> looking to see if I book marked them
[18:00:31] <__rob> TTS is amazingly useless to search for
[18:03:14] <Wolf_> http://sktool88.en.alibaba.com/product/60060431285-213364801/IGeShi_ER_series_straight_shank_collet_chuck_for_lathe.html
[18:03:22] <Wolf_> might have been one of them
[18:03:51] <__rob> littlemachineshop seems to have them for ER32
[18:03:58] <__rob> so I'm sure the ER20 is out ther
[18:04:08] <Wolf_> they do, I got them from there
[18:04:31] <Wolf_> I have er 20 16 and 32 all sitting on my desk from LMS
[18:04:34] <__rob> you got a tormach, or just using TTS ?
[18:04:44] <Wolf_> just using the TTS
[18:06:12] <__rob> did you test the runout of the chinese ones vs original ?
[18:06:29] <Wolf_> nope, youtube did that already
[18:06:38] <__rob> ahh, hehe
[18:06:39] <__rob> nice
[18:07:16] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-x-DARKON-ER20-ATC-STD-Profile-Precision-Chucks-/261234340276
[18:07:34] <__rob> same price as tormach really
[18:07:41] <Wolf_> yeah
[18:07:42] <__rob> $34 from them
[18:09:18] <__rob> http://www.ystool.com.cn/en/views.asp?hw_id=298
[18:09:21] <__rob> thats 10 cheaper
[18:11:01] <Wolf_> thats a good find
[18:11:14] <__rob> well, http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/China-tools-er20-straight-shank-chuck_60221348646.html
[18:11:31] <__rob> will see what they quote shipped to UK
[18:13:18] <__rob> best thing about alibaba is there is always some barter to be done
[18:13:46] <_methods> yea if you're not in a hurry add it to your cart then just leave the site
[18:13:54] <_methods> in a couple days you'll start getting all kinds of offers
[18:14:02] <_methods> oh aliexpress
[18:14:16] <_methods> alibaba you can just email them and haggle
[18:14:31] <__rob> yup, sometimes they are online
[18:14:43] <_methods> but if you don't feel like doing the alibaba thing i'll just add it to aliexpress cart
[18:14:50] <_methods> then wait a day or 2
[18:14:59] <_methods> you'll start getting all kinds of offers
[18:15:13] <__rob> thats good to know
[18:15:24] <_methods> they'll do the same thing on ebay too
[18:15:28] <__rob> got 50% of some altera connectors by haggling last purchase
[18:15:32] <_methods> add something to your cart and don't buy it
[18:15:40] <_methods> then see what happens in a few days
[18:16:34] <_methods> i'll add the same item from a bunch of different vendors and see which one offers up the best deal in a few days
[18:17:19] <__rob> mm, have to give that a try
[18:17:48] <_methods> only works if you're in no rush though lol
[18:17:58] <_methods> which hardly ever happens
[18:50:27] * JT-Shop calls it a day
[18:54:44] <andypugh> You can call it a day if you insist, but that doesn’t alter the fact that it is night.
[19:00:56] * Loetmichel is hopping to the bedrom for a few hous of sleep. MAAN why do i have the bad luch to roll my ankle on that car dealer yard... now the foot is black and blue and swollen on the outside and i cant load it any more. Lets see if a bit of sleep helps. If not i will go to the doc tomorrow...
[19:26:09] <FloppyDisk> It just turned 5pm here... is that night:-) Don't need the car lights yet:-)
[19:44:56] <Erant> FloppyDisk: Ah, sorry, no. The $600 one.
[19:50:52] <Erant> FloppyDisk: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/5441860907.html
[19:50:56] <Erant> "About 9 hours ago"
[19:53:38] <Erant> __rob: I have the same issue. My chuck comes off the arbor all the damned time.
[19:54:00] <Jymmm> Erant: crazy glue it
[19:54:18] <Erant> Yeah, I might just do that. Seems like a waste.
[19:54:36] <Jymmm> waste?
[19:54:49] <Erant> But I guess that's the only thing I use that arbor for :)
[19:55:10] <Jymmm> yeah, not like you'll ever need to turn anything
[19:55:20] <Erant> Yeah, good point.
[19:55:57] <Erant> Time to get all that grease off.
[19:56:31] <Jymmm> I have to reattach the chuck to my little drill press. It came off when I was attempting to drill out some pressed studs.
[19:56:46] <Jymmm> (in casters)
[19:58:17] <Erant> This one came with my Sieg, so I don't doubt that it's not perfectly meshed.
[19:58:27] <Erant> What made it come off?
[19:59:21] <Jymmm> Well, my big drillpress is still on the rack since moving (and heavy lil shit), so I tried using the little one my uncle gave me before he moved. I don't think he installed it properly originally
[19:59:32] <Erant> Ah.
[20:00:00] <Erant> Any reason you wouldn't just use the mill?
[20:00:12] <Jymmm> I *thought* I saw some oil on/in it (the chuck)
[20:00:22] <Jymmm> I dont have a mill nor lathe sadly.
[20:00:39] <Erant> Ah.
[20:00:50] <Erant> I oiled up my chuck. Didn't do diddly squat to keep it on.
[20:01:12] <Jymmm> lol
[20:01:17] <Jymmm> I wonder why ;)
[20:03:06] <Jymmm> Gawd, you know how tedious it is to "clean up" your hdd years later *sigh*
[20:05:20] <Jymmm> Erant: I don't even have a decent workbench to beat the crap out of the chuck on to the arbor (yet)
[20:05:30] <Tom_itx> that's when you just wish they'd go bad and force you to replace em
[20:06:19] <Tom_itx> anything of any consequence should be backed up anyway
[20:06:41] <Tom_itx> Jymmm.... use the cloud!
[20:06:52] <Jymmm> It's all backed up, just the files on the backup too are everywhere
[20:07:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Hey, why did't I think of that! ;)
[20:07:32] <Tom_itx> share it with the planet
[20:07:46] <Jymmm> It's taken me 8 onths just to get my 2nd display connected.
[20:08:55] <Tom_itx> i've been using them in class... i can see how someone could get used to dual displays
[20:09:34] <gregcnc> one to read irc and the other to pretend to work
[20:09:42] <Jymmm> Especially since my 2nd display is 2048 wide - that's dual 1024 web pages
[20:10:46] <Jymmm> gregcnc: Nah, irc and IM are on primary display and viewable on all desktops
[20:11:34] <Jymmm> 2nd desktop are VM's, and 3rd is whatever I have running in the backgroud
[20:12:12] <gregcnc> I usually have SW on one.
[20:13:00] <Jymmm> Well, for me the VM is running CorelDraw usually
[20:13:50] <Tom_itx> are wireless mice worth a crap?
[20:14:10] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Would you like to see how easy they're hacked?
[20:14:35] <Tom_itx> not particularly
[20:14:56] <gregcnc> I've been using wireless for 10+ years
[20:15:06] <Tom_itx> with cad?
[20:15:10] <gregcnc> yes
[20:15:16] <Tom_itx> which cad?
[20:15:21] <Tom_itx> which mice?
[20:15:24] <gregcnc> however i just got a G700S and the bettery life sucks
[20:15:31] <gregcnc> SW
[20:15:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: EASY wireless keyboard hacking https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WqkmGG0biXc
[20:16:06] * Tom_itx fears Jymmm is deaf in one ear and blind in one eye
[20:16:17] <gregcnc> I had an old Revolution MX and it ran for over a week on a charge., this one maybe a day.
[20:16:29] <Tom_itx> lipo?
[20:16:52] <gregcnc> G700S is AA
[20:17:14] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: You're half right, try both
[20:17:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'd rather you be aware than ignorant
[20:17:27] <gregcnc> no option even to use a LiIon AA
[20:17:57] <Tom_itx> Jymmm it's unsecure bluetooth i'm sure it's vulnerable
[20:18:08] <gregcnc> range on these things sucks though
[20:18:24] <Tom_itx> gregcnc what's a decent one that won't break the bank?
[20:18:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: It's not bluetooth
[20:18:30] <Jymmm> iirc
[20:19:47] <Tom_itx> gregcnc i have an old logitech thumbwheel i used for a long time
[20:20:00] <Tom_itx> thumb ball
[20:20:05] <gregcnc> you're looking at $50-100. The revolution MX had a nice feature that enabled the forward backward button to skip through files on SW.
[20:20:24] <Tom_itx> catia and SW use different buttons for things
[20:20:50] <Tom_itx> middle & right is rotate
[20:20:55] <Tom_itx> middle and right click is zoom
[20:20:56] <gregcnc> this mouse has programmable buttons, but I can't get it to switch files the same way.
[20:20:59] <Tom_itx> middle is move
[20:21:00] <gregcnc> I also recently got a space mouse
[20:21:13] <gregcnc> you can always change buttons no?
[20:21:25] <Tom_itx> i haven't talked to anybody that really likes those space mice
[20:21:32] <Tom_itx> i suppose
[20:21:35] <Wolf_> I use a space mouse and a expert trackball, I seem to be a oddball
[20:22:13] <Tom_itx> they got those silly $300+ ones at the lab and nobody uses them ever
[20:22:40] <malcom2073> I love my space mouse
[20:22:43] <Wolf_> I like my space mouse
[20:22:50] <gregcnc> I've not used it much, I do like the space mouse. it was very awkward at first, then it just clicked.
[20:22:56] <t12> spacemice are great
[20:22:58] <Wolf_> takes a bit to get use to it
[20:22:59] <Tom_itx> can you adjust the sensitivity of the ball?
[20:23:18] <gregcnc> yes
[20:23:26] <t12> they're also cheap
[20:24:11] <gregcnc> I got the wireless one for some reason. my desk is usually a mess, so one cord on a stationary device wouldn't have mattered
[20:24:53] <PetefromTn_> spacemouse is that like spaceghosts sidekick?
[20:25:52] <Wolf_> http://amzn.com/B000LB7G00
[20:26:49] <gregcnc> zoom, pan, and rotate all in one plus a couple buttons.
[20:30:28] <Tom_itx> http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacemouse/spacemousepro.html
[20:30:32] <Tom_itx> they have those in the lab
[20:30:51] <Tom_itx> do you set the sensitivity in windows or in the cad package?
[20:31:09] <gregcnc> it has it's own software
[20:31:37] <Tom_itx> i considered one of those $99-109 ones
[20:32:00] <gregcnc> and can switch settings between apps
[20:32:14] <Tom_itx> left hand?
[20:32:24] <Tom_itx> or do you use it instead of the mouse?
[20:32:44] <gregcnc> you use it with your free hand
[20:33:00] <Tom_itx> damn..
[20:33:14] <Wolf_> I use mine left handed, mostly to change POV while working
[20:34:41] <gregcnc> now I don't know what do do with the mouse wheel in cad
[20:35:07] <zeeshan> you can have mine tom if you want
[20:35:14] <zeeshan> never going to use it again
[20:35:16] <Tom_itx> send it to me
[20:35:20] <Tom_itx> i'll try it
[20:35:21] <zeeshan> just pay shipping
[20:35:28] <zeeshan> throw it in the garbage if you dont like it
[20:35:31] <Tom_itx> which one?
[20:35:42] <Tom_itx> i'll pay shipping to try it once...
[20:35:58] <zeeshan> http://snpi.dell.com/snp/images/products/mlrg/en-ca~A6956196/A6956196.jpg
[20:36:01] <zeeshan> hm maybe i should sell it
[20:36:04] <zeeshan> theyre worth something
[20:36:04] <zeeshan> lol
[20:36:20] <Tom_itx> oh hell... i don't want that
[20:37:22] <zeeshan> if i had a 3rd hand
[20:37:24] <zeeshan> itd be useful
[20:37:24] <zeeshan> :D
[20:37:44] <Tom_itx> i considered trying just the ball
[20:37:54] <Tom_itx> they've got those at the lab and nobody uses them
[20:38:19] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I JSUT had them replace my slimblade (the ExpertMouse next gen) on Monday, ETA 10 days
[20:38:19] <gregcnc> they're not that scary
[20:38:24] <Tom_itx> course 80% of them don't know what they are
[20:38:47] <Tom_itx> gregcnc do you have all the buttons mapped?
[20:38:55] <gregcnc> I have the small one
[20:39:05] <Tom_itx> ahh that's right
[20:39:06] <zeeshan> tom it comes default
[20:39:09] <Wolf_> I have the 2nd gen experts and got a slim off amazon for $75
[20:39:11] <zeeshan> with views set
[20:39:24] <Wolf_> been using the expert trackballs since ‘97
[20:39:35] <Jymmm> Wolf_: hos long have you had the simblade for?
[20:39:55] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I stil have the serial/ps2 white one =)
[20:40:17] <Wolf_> early december
[20:40:23] <zeeshan> my problem with the spacemouse is i use all my keys on my keyboard
[20:40:26] <zeeshan> it really slows me down
[20:40:36] <zeeshan> the mouse isn't as precise for zoom
[20:40:38] <zeeshan> no where as close
[20:40:40] <zeeshan> but it gets the job done
[20:40:52] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Let me know if the smooth/slickness of it degrades, that was my issue and had it replaced under the 3yr warranty.
[20:41:09] <Tom_itx> zeeshan do you use a 3 button mouse or center wheel?
[20:41:16] <Tom_itx> they have both at the lab
[20:41:17] <Jymmm> Wolf_: the rubies fubar with extensive usage
[20:41:23] <zeeshan> i have a 5 buttom mouse
[20:41:35] <zeeshan> with a wheel too
[20:41:39] <Wolf_> Jymmm: only issue I have had is lint getting in the pickup eyes
[20:42:01] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Well, you've only had it a couple of months
[20:42:02] <gregcnc> My mouse wheel is the middle button.
[20:42:28] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i pissed (agrivated) a guy off today
[20:42:33] <gregcnc> aren't most for the last 15 years?
[20:42:51] <Tom_itx> he's been fighting a part for a couple days and is kinda bull headed when it comes to help
[20:42:52] <zeeshan> http://img.gfx.no/977/977911/Logitech_G400_over.jpg
[20:42:53] <Wolf_> oh, got the slim blade for $49.99 :D
[20:42:54] <zeeshan> ^ my mouse
[20:43:00] <zeeshan> lol tom
[20:43:03] <Jymmm> Wolf_: When the new one arrives, I'm going to compare it to my existing one.
[20:43:04] <zeeshan> let him struggle
[20:43:29] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Kensington engineering sent this one to me.
[20:43:34] <Tom_itx> he finally broke down and asked me how i did it but i found out i missed a fillet so i told him i'd do it again from scratch
[20:43:57] <Tom_itx> so during the lecture i redid it from the start in about 10 min including the fillets he was struggling with
[20:44:02] <Tom_itx> he was kinda pissed
[20:44:15] <PetefromTn_> jeez man am I the only loser who has a two button mouse with a simple wheel?
[20:44:23] <Tom_itx> when i showed him... the prof stopped the lecture and asked wtf was going on...
[20:44:35] <Tom_itx> i just said we're learning
[20:44:53] <Tom_itx> i'd already covered the whold book anyway
[20:45:02] <zeeshan> lol pete
[20:45:07] <Tom_itx> was reviewing it with the prof from memory anyway
[20:45:23] <PetefromTn_> I guess I am gonna need to get myself a better mousey
[20:45:26] <zeeshan> lol tom
[20:45:28] <zeeshan> you smart ass !
[20:45:30] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ i got a boxfull they were tossing out at a pc shop here
[20:45:39] <Tom_itx> i use them when i need a crap mouse in a hurry
[20:45:55] <Tom_itx> just happens the catia pc has one on it
[20:46:01] <PetefromTn_> mine is at least wireless
[20:46:13] <Tom_itx> you got me beat
[20:46:31] <Jymmm> hey ve7it
[20:46:44] <Jymmm> I hate wireless, always gotta find batteries
[20:46:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan the prof gave me the class models so i can compare the part volumes etc
[20:46:57] <Tom_itx> to double check my work
[20:46:59] <PetefromTn_> meh its just a AA
[20:47:03] <zeeshan> nice
[20:47:14] <Tom_itx> with all the drawing files
[20:47:23] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx how much was this class you are taking?
[20:47:24] <gregcnc> this G700S will take a USB to charge while using so they must have planned for the terrible battery life
[20:47:40] <Jymmm> lol
[20:48:01] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ ~2.5k per semester
[20:48:10] <PetefromTn_> WOW
[20:48:20] <ve7it> Jymmm, hello... not sure why my net dropped and picked up again.... somebody tripped in the datacenter?
[20:48:23] <Tom_itx> the kid got it free due to a state incentive for HS kids
[20:48:38] <gregcnc> are you out of district or something?
[20:48:44] <Jymmm> ve7it: forgot to feed the squirrel
[20:48:59] <zeeshan> what
[20:49:01] <zeeshan> thats expensive
[20:49:04] <Tom_itx> gregcnc, no the state is low on skilled labor
[20:49:07] <PetefromTn_> I plinked the damn squirrel with my high powered air rifle;)
[20:49:21] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, i'm getting a discount
[20:50:45] <gregcnc> maybe I haven't checked prices at the community college but one class for 2.5k?
[20:50:46] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, about 3 semesters i should have all i really wanted from it
[20:50:55] <zeeshan> http://www.mohawkcollege.ca/continuing-education/mechanical-design.html
[20:51:05] <zeeshan> i recommend this to ppl trying to learn
[20:51:18] <Tom_itx> 3rd one gets into surfaces and wireframe
[20:51:26] <zeeshan> nice
[20:51:34] <Tom_itx> which includes 5 axis programming
[20:52:28] <Tom_itx> i found out today they've got metal printers as well as laser printers
[20:52:45] <zeeshan> okay that program is more expensive
[20:52:52] <Tom_itx> which one?
[20:52:58] <zeeshan> the one i linked
[20:53:22] <zeeshan> prices have gone up
[20:53:33] <Tom_itx> i won't have that much out of pocket really
[20:54:10] <zeeshan> i wish i could take relaxing courses like these :P
[20:54:22] <zeeshan> where you go, learn new tricks and work
[20:54:26] <zeeshan> not spend 102139-231093 hours doing math
[20:54:46] <Tom_itx> yeah i'm having a ball
[20:54:52] <zeeshan> i dropped that control theory course i was takin
[20:54:54] <zeeshan> completely useless
[20:54:55] <Tom_itx> the prof likes me so that's a plus
[20:55:10] <Tom_itx> i give him crap all the time
[20:55:11] <zeeshan> course description talked about "practical control theory"
[20:55:27] <zeeshan> i asked in first day of class if he's going to cover servos etc
[20:55:28] <zeeshan> hes like no
[20:55:31] <zeeshan> ;D
[20:56:46] <Tom_itx> http://watc.edu/machining-technology/
[20:57:27] <zeeshan> nice
[20:57:30] <Tom_itx> i'll have that last one by 2nd semester
[20:57:35] <Tom_itx> 2 certs
[20:58:40] <Tom_itx> i start assembly nest
[20:58:43] <Tom_itx> next
[20:59:03] <Tom_itx> was reading the kid's book this evening
[21:02:16] <Tom_itx> they give us a key to the lab so we can come and go 24/7
[21:05:18] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you could get a job here easy
[21:05:30] <zeeshan> one day!
[21:05:39] <zeeshan> tom i'd like to teach at college when im 50
[21:05:52] <Tom_itx> they're looking for analyst ppl
[21:06:21] <Tom_itx> they have a nice facility here
[21:06:31] <Tom_itx> one thing, it's fairly new
[21:06:49] <zeeshan> is it the technology facility
[21:06:52] <zeeshan> or the whole school
[21:06:54] <Tom_itx> ahh... we saw a plane crash on the runway out back the other day
[21:06:55] * zeeshan doesnt know how its laid out
[21:07:08] <Tom_itx> tech
[21:07:24] <Tom_itx> they have several campus'
[21:07:38] <Tom_itx> this one is mostly aviation tech
[21:08:11] <Tom_itx> one area is nothing but robotics
[21:09:22] <zeeshan> cool
[21:10:55] <Tom_itx> composite repair, electrical, A&P mech, etc
[21:12:19] <Tom_itx> ^^ dude knocked his front gear off by undershooting the runway...
[21:12:40] <zeeshan> doh
[21:12:43] <Tom_itx> screwed up a nice jet
[21:13:16] <Tom_itx> banged up a bit but i think they were ok
[21:13:25] <trentster> what happened to xxcoder I havent seen him around in awhile - he used to be very chatty?
[21:15:24] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Where da hell are ya?!
[21:20:02] <Tom_itx> zeeshan
[21:20:14] <Tom_itx> picture the corner of a block
[21:20:38] <Tom_itx> how would you approach taking a halfround tube shape at an angle out of the corner?
[21:20:56] <Tom_itx> ~20ish deg
[21:20:58] <trentster> maybe he got taken out by a freak Chinese 3040 router accident :P
[21:21:14] <Tom_itx> maybe he pulled a ssi
[21:21:15] <zeeshan> so basically youre trying to remove a cylinde
[21:21:17] <zeeshan> from a block corner?
[21:21:21] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:21:26] <trentster> he is however still in the channel - so that is not likely
[21:21:31] <Tom_itx> at an odd angle
[21:21:47] <zeeshan> i would draw the axis to the correct angle
[21:21:54] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:21:59] <Tom_itx> that's what i was thinking
[21:22:00] <zeeshan> and then draw a plane using the corner
[21:22:04] <zeeshan> and the axis somehow :P
[21:22:15] <zeeshan> then revolved
[21:22:17] <zeeshan> *revolve
[21:22:35] <Tom_itx> just put the plane on the angle and make it coincident with the dimensions to the edge
[21:22:48] <Tom_itx> and do an extrude cut
[21:23:05] <Tom_itx> i'll post a pic
[21:23:26] <zeeshan> okay :D
[21:24:57] <zeeshan> depending on whether its a compound angle or not
[21:25:04] <zeeshan> 3d sketch might be easier
[21:25:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/x_problem12.jpg
[21:25:35] <Tom_itx> it looks pretty easy really
[21:25:55] <zeeshan> oh cmon man
[21:25:58] <zeeshan> that isnt no compound shit
[21:25:59] <zeeshan> :P
[21:26:12] <zeeshan> you draw a line
[21:26:16] <zeeshan> on one of those planes
[21:26:20] * Tom_itx finds a better one for zee
[21:26:24] <zeeshan> and rvolve cut :P
[21:26:53] <Tom_itx> i'll see how they did it..
[21:27:50] <Tom_itx> just a circle on the end of the part
[21:28:04] <zeeshan> could do a sweep also
[21:28:07] <zeeshan> whatever you find easiet
[21:30:15] <Tom_itx> they set a limit but i don't see where they set it
[21:30:19] <Tom_itx> angular
[21:34:05] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/x_problem3.jpg
[21:35:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022460X15009141 trees as windmills
[21:36:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you might like this one: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/x_problem106.jpg
[21:37:16] <zeeshan> =]
[21:37:32] <Tom_itx> tabs are 90 deg
[21:37:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You designing playground equipment?
[21:38:21] <Tom_itx> naw, that _is_ the playground
[21:38:41] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you have a blue thumb huh?
[21:40:16] <trentster> So any CAD masters in the house?
[21:40:29] <Tom_itx> nope
[21:40:46] <trentster> I want to try my hand at making/converting 3d objects into 3d files
[21:40:56] <zeeshan> copy paste
[21:41:01] <trentster> Anyone recommend a workflow for this - or a good guide / resource?
[21:41:19] <Tom_itx> sure
[21:41:25] <Tom_itx> sign up for the course i'm taking
[21:41:30] <trentster> zeeshan: I am going to need your co-ordinates pls, both home and work
[21:41:43] <zeeshan> ???
[21:41:54] <trentster> For the drone strike of course ;-)
[21:43:27] <trentster> Tom_itx: what course are you taking?
[21:43:44] <Tom_itx> i'm learning about catia
[21:43:53] <trentster> url to the course pls?
[21:44:05] <Tom_itx> local vo tech
[21:45:39] <trentster> Tom_itx: nice - you are a lucky man indeed!
[21:46:28] <trentster> sometimes I find self learning can suck, and I often wish I could attend a good course or get a mentor to teach me.
[22:02:46] <Tom_itx> i self taught up until this came along
[22:04:54] <zeeshan> trentster: $100hr
[22:04:56] <zeeshan> :]
[22:08:28] <trentster> zeeshan: still waiting on your longs and lats - money will follow shortly thereafter ;-)
[22:09:02] <Tom_itx> i'll give em to ya for $100
[22:09:30] <trentster> hahaha :)
[22:10:29] <zeeshan> tom
[22:10:32] <zeeshan> so i got a new subaru block
[22:10:39] <zeeshan> im thinking im going to machine the one that is in tmy car
[22:10:47] <zeeshan> and put in the brand new stock pistons in it, and sell it :P
[22:10:49] <zeeshan> someone will buy it!
[22:10:58] <zeeshan> plus i get to use the mikron to do some real precision work!
[22:11:09] <zeeshan> the engine block when assembled
[22:11:15] <zeeshan> is only lik 12" in height
[22:11:20] <zeeshan> would easily fit in my machine
[22:36:53] <Tom_itx> why'd you have to get a whole block?
[22:40:44] <Tom_itx> is it split like a vw? iirc it is
[22:40:47] <Tom_itx> quite similar
[22:45:21] <zeeshan> less machining
[22:45:49] <Tom_itx> would you have to align bore the old one?
[22:45:56] <Tom_itx> we did that on every vw rebuild
[22:46:20] <zeeshan> depends on how bad the crank is
[22:46:24] <zeeshan> i havent taken it apart yet so i cant say
[22:46:31] <zeeshan> a fresh block is less headache
[22:46:40] <Tom_itx> so how did you know you need a block?
[22:46:41] <zeeshan> i get rid of the bs stock pistons, put in the stronger ones
[22:46:42] <zeeshan> and its good to go
[22:46:57] <zeeshan> cause its got a cracked piston
[22:47:06] <zeeshan> which means there is a potential the rod is bent and the crankshaft is bent too
[22:47:08] <Tom_itx> do the pistons come with cylinders?
[22:47:21] <zeeshan> i saw the cracked piston w/ a bore scope
[22:47:28] <zeeshan> tom short block is
[22:47:37] <zeeshan> crankshaft, engine block, pistons, seals etc all bolted ready to go
[22:47:41] <zeeshan> you bolt heads to it
[22:47:43] <Tom_itx> we'd order the vw ones as a set
[22:47:50] <Tom_itx> oh
[22:47:50] <zeeshan> and accessories, and you're good to go.
[22:48:08] <zeeshan> all the precision machining is done for you
[22:48:23] <Tom_itx> you hope
[22:48:44] <zeeshan> like setting the connecting rod and crankshaft journals
[22:48:44] <zeeshan> clearances
[22:48:44] <zeeshan> etc
[22:48:44] <zeeshan> ill take some pics of the process asap i get time
[22:48:47] <zeeshan> right now im working onthat sculpture
[22:48:50] <zeeshan> LAST project !!
[22:49:30] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[22:49:38] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ld4DfOm.jpg
[22:50:14] <Tom_itx> did you cut it?
[22:53:34] <zeeshan> no :P
[22:53:37] <zeeshan> i designed it!
[22:53:44] <zeeshan> i dont have the ability to roll 1/4" plate
[22:54:08] <Tom_itx> you were gonna cut the edge though
[22:55:32] <zeeshan> havent done that yet
[22:55:45] <zeeshan> im likely going to ship it out to another shop to do it
[22:55:48] <zeeshan> dont have the time to make a fixutre
[22:55:55] <zeeshan> i have a lot of little pieces to make for this
[23:00:39] <zeeshan> fak
[23:00:42] <zeeshan> vday is in 4 days
[23:00:45] <zeeshan> what to get fiance
[23:00:57] <zeeshan> i figure a tormach wouldnt be a good present
[23:01:08] <zeeshan> she'd think its a pos
[23:01:09] * zeeshan hides
[23:14:14] <zeeshan> tom its SLEEP TIME!!
[23:14:18] <zeeshan> get off the cAD!!
[23:20:00] <minibnz> oh my god... i just cannot win....i cannot get the head and column trammed against the bed!!! i thought i had it last night but no fly cutting was not right and when i adjusted the post so the fly cutter was right i would not be able to use a drill bit..
[23:22:21] <minibnz> i have tried adjusting it three more times today and have failed misserably.. my biggest problem is that i have no way to test or measure the adjustment. if i was to try and use a dial indicator i would just fail as i have no flat solid surfaces to set the dial up on or to probe against. its all covered in hamerton paint and the witness marks i had are no help what soever
[23:22:32] <minibnz> frustrating as hell..
[23:24:06] <minibnz> even if i pulled every bolt off it and laid it down i still woulld not be able to adjust the head/column with out it all moving as the bolts are not accessible when on the post.. so if i set it so i can move it it just comes out of alingment.
[23:26:09] <minibnz> this appears to be an endless loop.. i dont think i have a choice.. i am going to have to clean a heap of paint off and hone a couple of points flat
[23:27:31] <minibnz> goto start and rinse and repeat.. somthing is going to break if i keep going like this.
[23:36:08] <anomynous> why does everyone say "oh my god"? I hope you get it working.
[23:36:22] <anomynous> minibnz,