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[00:10:33] <Jymmm> ok
[00:38:12] <minibnz> oh man this is a task.. its taken me two hours to get a pin (ie variable) from a python script into linuxcnc
[00:39:47] <minibnz> now you would think reading the serial port and creating links to lnuxcnc would be the hard part right? No.. i can do all that what i cannot do is take two bytes from the serial stream convert that to a int or float then multiply that by a number.. simplez... well i cant seem to multiply two numbers together...
[00:40:12] <minibnz> i needs to find a python for dumbshits book or website...
[00:41:33] <minibnz> the bit that confuses me is.. each time i run the script it throws different error lines (same error on different lines) without changing the code.. then i just get stuck in a endless loop of you cant do that to a int or a float or anything....
[00:43:51] <minibnz> so at this time i belive i can get data from the serial port into emc.... now i just have to work out how to get my data into the variables... oh this hurts my head with out typecasts.... its just not like C at all :p
[00:44:58] <minibnz> the good news is now that i have draged out my ethernet everywhere cable my mill is on the net work so i can ssh in and do this from the couch :)
[00:59:04] <beikeland> minibnz: trying to add a serial connection to your rc servo speed control?
[00:59:56] <minibnz> no adding serial interface to a digitiizing probe i wants to build.
[01:00:02] <minibnz> ValueError: empty string for float()
[01:00:09] <minibnz> WTF is that error?
[01:00:47] <beikeland> dunno, don't speak python. but sounds like your parameter is empty.
[01:01:02] <beikeland> cool, analoge distance measure or something?
[01:01:10] <minibnz> heheh thats what i thought so i explicitly defined it..
[01:02:07] <minibnz> going to take a peizo speaker and attach a probe then when the probe is touched the volatge from the peizo changes and i can capture this and work out how much bend there is in the peizo
[01:02:08] <beikeland> ouch, not something silly like running one file and editing antoher?
[01:02:36] <minibnz> no the error goes away if i remove the line :(
[01:02:39] <RootB_e> hey linuxCNC, which CNC Router would you recommend buying
[01:02:42] <RootB_e> for 2K?
[01:03:51] <beikeland> neat! wish i find time to play with stuff like that.
[01:04:06] <beikeland> will the deflection be linear in all directions?
[01:04:24] <Lowridah> 2k was 16 years ago, id buy something modern
[01:04:51] <Lowridah> but anything should be 2k safe
[01:05:38] <Lowridah> sorry for the light troll, i'm curious too because i'd like to get into cnc routing for about the same price point
[01:08:22] <minibnz> beikeland i guess so. the peizo is circular.. the only one that woul be really different would be Z axis but as i need a really fast cpu to do this i am using a pic32f201 20 pin chip that has 200ksps ADC and usb interface i think i will have spare processing power to do the calibration in the pic. i was thinking just send a ADC count to python and let python do its thing but i am failing epicly with multiplying numbers..
[01:11:13] <minibnz> all i know about python is that you need to use tabs instead of brakets the rest is getting googled as i go..
[01:11:35] <Lowridah> hashtag all spaces matter
[01:11:40] <archivist> most important for probes is over travel, on contact the machine is still moving and will take time to stop
[01:11:42] <Lowridah> spacists
[01:12:39] <Lowridah> python frustrates me in different ways
[01:12:45] <beikeland> minibnz: sounds cool, measuring the over travel instead of repeating it at slow feeds sounds interesting.
[01:12:52] <Lowridah> but mostly spacing
[01:13:47] <minibnz> Lowridah thats not good news..
[01:15:45] <minibnz> archivist as a peizo is giving out a analog signal ie drops to zero when it stops being moved i think i have use a accumalator to get the values.. and i am going to make it with a magnet so if i press to far it falls off instead of breaking, except for z travel that will hurt the dev if i go too far
[01:16:09] <minibnz> and all the videos i have seen of any kinda probe is usually very slow movements
[01:16:21] <minibnz> once close at least.
[01:18:29] <minibnz> beikeland the ones i have seen are heimer guages or something they do x y z all on one dial indicator.. the ones that feed back into you cnc computer are $1400+ so if this works i will be very happy.. i really only need to use it as a edge finder not so much a digitzer.
[01:26:05] <Ralith> RootB_e: I can't answer your question, but I can tell you that before you start considering what to buy, you need to decide what you want to be able to do with it
[01:43:32] <minibnz> ARHG python sucks...
[01:50:09] <minibnz> oh my god.. i dont know how or why its working.. just lets hope it stays working :)
[01:51:06] <minibnz> i got rid of the typecasting that iwas trying to do and it now worked... why it didnt work like that from the start is a bit weird.. but i dont care now i dont do enough python to care.. :)
[01:51:23] <minibnz> happy it looks like i can get my data into a linuxcnc variable..
[01:55:27] <minibnz> so now i have the values in linuxcnc i need to write a ladder script to move that data into Gcode offsets
[01:55:44] <minibnz> or just into the axis values
[01:55:57] <Ralith> python is built on the foundation that knowing what anything's type is isn't Agile enough
[01:56:52] <minibnz> yeah but then it threw errors sayin i cant do this or that to that type of variable.. its just not clear about what it wants from me..
[01:57:16] <minibnz> i just dont know enoough and this just doesnt make me want to know more..
[01:59:30] <minibnz> i like structure.. knowing that something you set to be a int will always be an int..... until you tell it not to be a int..
[02:02:08] <minibnz> i guess i have to link this new data into the touchoff button/function..
[02:03:23] <Ralith> if it was unclear, I was making fun of python just then
[02:03:31] <Ralith> type systems are important
[02:03:48] <minibnz> that was a clear as pythons type system :P
[02:04:06] <Ralith> in fairness, python's type system is very simple
[02:04:09] <Ralith> this is the chief problem
[02:04:18] <minibnz> heheheh yup
[02:04:47] <minibnz> i wants to be able to force the variable into some format.. it just makes me want to type cast every use if every variable..
[02:05:08] <minibnz> or have int float char in the variable name which is even more wrong..
[02:05:24] <Ralith> probably the best thing to do is very carefully keep track of all the places you assign to the variable, and make explicit type declarations in those places
[02:05:50] <Ralith> disclaimer: I do not actually know python
[02:06:00] <minibnz> that was what i was trying to do after it started to complain about my types
[02:06:29] * Ralith generally uses Haskell when he can get away with it, C++14 when he can't
[02:06:32] <minibnz> then that just made things worse then i removed it and it works... it looks just like i had it the first time.. (it probably not)
[02:07:49] <Ralith> it's usually a good idea to keep code larger than a handful of lines in some sort of version control
[02:07:53] <minibnz> i saw that linuxcnc has a C API thingy but thought no cuz i am using the serial port python will be best.. but now i have the code pretty much done its far too simple.. i could have done this in C really quickly :)
[02:07:54] <Ralith> git being the present day de-facto standard
[02:08:14] <Ralith> then you can go back and look and see how your current version actually does differ from your last
[02:08:16] <minibnz> there are only 15 lines of code and most of that is remarks :)
[02:08:52] <Ralith> clearly it is nonetheless too much to keep track of :p
[02:09:13] <Ralith> version control is a good habit to have anyway
[02:09:26] <minibnz> yeah i probably should stick it in git..
[02:09:52] <Ralith> it really sucks when you spend half an hour trying to improve something only to realize that neither does it work as is nor are you able to return it to its prior functionality
[02:09:59] <archivist> yaknow this exists? http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/serport.9.html
[02:10:36] <minibnz> no
[02:11:07] <minibnz> everything i had read about the serial port said linuxcnc does not support the serial port and you will have to write your own driver.
[02:11:22] <minibnz> i am pulling 6 bytes in from the port at a time
[02:11:50] <minibnz> that link appears to deal with the bits indiviually..
[02:12:01] <minibnz> i am this far along now there is no turning back :)
[02:12:18] <archivist> 6 bytes sounds too slow for probing
[02:12:51] <minibnz> huh.. thats 10k of samples per second if you want it...
[02:13:11] <minibnz> sampling three axis in that 6 bytes..
[02:13:37] <minibnz> how fast do you move the bed with a probe in the spdinle?
[02:13:39] <archivist> you need to capture the position at that point in time
[02:13:54] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Touch_Probe
[02:14:49] <SpeedEvil> Well - the serial port does have fast async status lines
[02:14:52] <SpeedEvil> In principle
[02:16:24] <archivist> what I see is writing code before A seeing what other linuxcnc users do, and B knowing the timing requirements of the process
[02:16:59] <archivist> I dont think the current linuxcnc is quite right yet either
[02:18:03] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[02:18:06] <SpeedEvil> that too
[02:18:11] <minibnz> all i want to use this for is edge finding.. and have the data adjust automatically..
[02:18:22] <archivist> it needs adding to the hostmot2 driver as the mesa card has it implemented to grab all the counters on a trigger
[02:19:02] <minibnz> find the edges and top of a block of stock not trying to map any complex shapes.
[02:19:59] <archivist> so using http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G38-probe
[02:20:19] <archivist> this uses a bit on an interface
[02:21:31] <archivist> and captures the location as best it can at the moment
[02:22:28] <minibnz> interesting. i hadn't really thought about using it in a simple on/off arrangement.. was basically going to measure the over shoot and use that to correct the co-ords..
[02:22:45] <minibnz> that just spoils all my fun..
[02:25:33] <SpeedEvil> external timing also works
[02:25:57] <Deejay> moin
[02:29:06] <minibnz> that really spoils all my fun.. all i need is a comparator a couple of caps and few resistors..
[02:29:45] <archivist> we do need more devs, but....best to read what is there first :)
[02:30:19] <minibnz> thats sweet... cuz i really cant code all that well in linux. i am more a embeded person..
[02:31:04] <minibnz> bug OS's just overwhelm me.. so many options.. so many processes going on.. i like the insulated zone that i get in a MCU
[02:31:09] <minibnz> big^
[02:31:11] <archivist> I got a supposedly dead cmm to put linuxcnc on it, but it worked
[02:31:31] <minibnz> nice
[02:33:06] <minibnz> i did look around for what was out there.. and all what i had found was conductive type probes, that coupled with me thinking sample the overshoot lead me down the wrong path.. i really do prefer to use whats on the shelf..
[02:33:58] <archivist> make a home brew conductive probe, they have the over travel protection in the form of a spring
[02:34:20] <minibnz> conductive dont work on plastic.
[02:34:34] <minibnz> thats why i am going to a peizo..
[02:34:49] <archivist> yes they do, they have internal contacts
[02:35:18] <archivist> not talking the crap that conduct to the work piece
[02:35:23] <minibnz> oh everything i read said it used the job peice as a current path
[02:36:17] <archivist> my probes have a ruby ball on the end, an insulator
[02:37:32] <minibnz> now i dont think the peizo will work without a MCU even in a single bit output..
[02:38:10] <archivist> you just trigger a pin to drive linuxcnc
[02:38:11] <minibnz> i need to make an accumalator of the output of the peizo.. if the axis stop moving the signal drops to zero.
[02:38:51] <archivist> read the manual for http://www.tormach.com/product_tts_passive_probe.html
[02:39:18] <archivist> it is a bit obvious how it works
[02:39:45] <minibnz> i tried that but they dont link to the manual.
[02:39:48] <archivist> that being a copy of early Rinishaw method
[02:39:59] <archivist> the link is on that page
[02:40:19] <minibnz> you mean the one that says no docs avail?
[02:40:29] <archivist> it is the technical documents section
[02:40:56] <archivist> bottom of the two cleaning :)
[02:41:51] <alex_joni> Jymmm: thanks
[02:42:46] <minibnz> yeah i can see how their one works.. but i am taking about how my sensor works.. if you stop moving the output drops off even if you are still touching something...
[02:44:16] <archivist> piezo usually listed for the clik on contact, then you stop
[02:44:26] <archivist> listen
[02:44:38] <minibnz> so to use this type of sensor i need to use a MCU to condition the signal to suit linuxcnc
[02:45:13] <archivist> yes a plin incontact/not, a single bit
[02:45:23] <archivist> plain
[02:47:38] <Jymmm> alex_joni: ?
[03:06:06] <alex_joni> 04:13 #linuxcnc: < Jymmm> alex_joni: Plan on making a new music player? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-Sale-Smart-Electronics-1pcs-KY-040-Rotary-Encoder-Module-Brick-Sensor-Development-Board-for-arduino/32341633440.html
[03:06:20] <alex_joni> might have been 1month+ ago
[03:07:03] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Ah, yw. Thought you might enjoy v2.0 =)
[03:07:53] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Actually, I think I orderd two of those just before CNY
[03:09:05] <alex_joni> well, not much time to tinker at the moment :)
[03:09:38] <Jymmm> Yep, left china Feb 4th =)
[03:09:58] <alex_joni> oh, you were there?
[03:10:31] <Jymmm> Nah, I placed a big order before the Chinese New Year, that was just one of the items
[03:10:41] <alex_joni> ah
[03:10:55] <Jymmm> ordered from 12 different vendors
[03:11:38] <Jymmm> Have some OLED displays coming as well, thought the encoder would be a nice touch.
[03:12:34] <Jymmm> alex_joni: This even more so... RGB LED illumated encoder shaft https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10982
[03:46:52] <Kucharsky> Hi to all.
[03:47:48] <Kucharsky> Seb just sent email notifying on new release. I don't get some of it. Can somebody expalain what this means: "...adds support for RTAI 5.0, though we have no debian packages yet, sorry"
[03:48:07] <Kucharsky> live cd is based on debian wheezy
[03:48:41] <Kucharsky> so where this support for RTAI 5.0 is added?
[03:48:48] <archivist> support probably means, you can separately download and install that kernel
[03:49:54] <Kucharsky> I see
[05:43:05] <minibnz> NOOOO... i think i just had a fail.... tried installing the touchscreen on my mill and now it wont power up.. hope i havent crashed the CF Card :(
[05:43:50] <XXCoder> or cooked it
[05:43:57] <XXCoder> did it relase any magic smoke?
[05:44:40] <minibnz> the only thing that might tell me its ok is that i dont even get a bios beep..
[05:45:22] <minibnz> hoping its just hot... finsgers and toes crossed.. dont think i will be able to put off the fan upgrade any longer if it does come back to life..
[05:45:39] <minibnz> i should also take an image of the CF card for justin...
[05:45:47] <XXCoder> look at capactors and such
[05:45:55] <XXCoder> look if theres any sign of cooking
[05:46:10] <minibnz> i have spare motherboards so its ok if there is a problem.. and no magic smoke
[05:46:17] <minibnz> smells nice :)
[05:48:13] <minibnz> its been on all day, it may have a probkem.. i have some other mother boards in a smaller formfactor but im not sure if they have a full pci slot will need that for when i get a mesa card
[05:53:00] <minibnz> ok thats a bit better.. unpluged the power from the motherboard to discharge the caps and now she goes beep... not the board not the hdd yay...
[05:53:24] <XXCoder> whew
[05:54:01] <minibnz> it does have a problem that stops it from rebooting under software... i think thats a kernel issue.. we had the same thing at work (where the board came from) so i am not going to fix that with the emc kernel installed..
[06:10:27] <minibnz> oh thats disapointing... dont have any different capacitive touch touch screens :( only have more of the same and resistive touch.. that wont do have to open the door to touch then...
[06:11:07] <XXCoder> resistive touch does suck
[06:11:17] <XXCoder> though those are quite more tough
[06:11:19] <minibnz> did find a 19inch lcd and touchscreen but its the same manufacturer so i wont have drivers.. at work we wrote our own drivers and now they wont compile.. :(
[06:11:33] <minibnz> aaaa i dunno...
[06:13:10] <minibnz> we deployed over 3thousand of these units and not once did we have a Cap touch fail within reason.. the only two i ever saw/heard of being smashed was here in sydney when some drunk fool smashed two beer glasses on them these are industriall strenght glass built for kiosks
[06:13:23] <minibnz> shame i cannot make them work with linux..
[06:14:24] <minibnz> wheni try and compile the code it throws buckets of errors all about tupe casting and printD missing variables and the ones that are supplied are not ints.. i dunno what to do with them now...
[06:15:14] <archivist> fix them
[06:15:33] <minibnz> there might be one saving hope...when the company closed up i saved one complete working machine for me... i will have to unpack it and see if i can rescue the debian files from that machine.
[06:16:05] <minibnz> archivist i really dont have the three or four years spare to learn the linux kernel just to get a touchscreen working.
[06:16:25] <minibnz> i have Zero knowledge about the kernel other than how to install one..
[06:16:38] <archivist> should not need to learn the kernel
[06:16:59] <archivist> you are just creating a device
[06:17:21] <minibnz> the guy that wrote the drivers that i have was a linux genius.. he had to reverse engineer the protocol on windows machine then try and add his own filtering onto the driver so it worked semi good..
[06:18:35] <minibnz> it took him a about 4 months to write the driver to a workable point.
[06:19:05] <minibnz> plus the device is no longer available on the market its just that i have these laying around..
[06:19:05] <archivist> I have a touch screen, I used to use it (had a pc in the box too) but the Pc part died
[06:19:41] <archivist> I never got it coupled to linuxcnc either http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_05_21_cnc/IMG_0246.JPG
[06:21:45] <minibnz> i have never had any real joy with the drivers on these things.. and i have a funny feeling i need a special kernel to make this driver work thats how broken it is..
[06:22:21] <archivist> mine had a serial pin to talk to the pc
[06:24:14] <minibnz> what i would have better luck in doing would be to rewite the firmware on these screens.. made it just spit out a HIID compliant X AND Y value..
[06:26:51] <minibnz> the shameful part is that the will just work on windowz :(
[06:27:16] <minibnz> might have to sell them to my asian mate who keeps asking about them..
[07:42:53] <rhavenj> hi there, is it a problem to build linuxcnc RT and simulation?
[07:43:09] <rhavenj> what happens if I want to do both?
[07:44:20] <Deejay> what do ya need simulation for if you have RT?
[07:44:40] <rhavenj> its nice to simulate the code through for optimization
[07:45:05] <Deejay> hmm, but you can just run in on the RT part, or not?
[07:45:05] <archivist> I tend to "simulate" on the real machine
[07:45:57] <Deejay> hm, k, dunno if there might be issues with feedback from the machine.
[07:46:01] <rhavenj> so running the code without the machine plugged in?
[07:46:56] <Deejay> not sure, but linuxcnc might have a problem if the machine is not homed?
[07:47:02] <archivist> I want the machine up and running to see how close fixtures are
[07:47:06] * Deejay does simulation on a different computer...
[07:47:40] <Deejay> hrhhr.. the fixtures are really close... really close ... broken ;)
[07:48:16] <Deejay> my fixtures have already some marks on them ;)
[07:48:30] <archivist> in my case it is the spindle head hitting a rotary table body usually
[07:48:31] <Deejay> the endmill attacked them
[07:49:43] <Deejay> rhavenj, sorry, cannot answer your question :(
[07:49:51] <rhavenj> Deejay, do you have then two machines runing linuxcnc? or do you use simply another software to simulate?
[07:50:03] <Deejay> two different computers
[07:50:22] <Deejay> one is running the RT stuff and is used for machining
[07:50:39] <Deejay> and a different linux computer with the simulation, where i do all the cad-cam stuff
[07:51:53] <rhavenj> my plan is to do the same, was just unsure about simulating the code
[07:52:34] <Deejay> dont know if there is any 'interference' between RT and simulation on the same machine
[07:52:36] <archivist> all depends on your use case
[07:52:49] <Deejay> *on the same computer
[07:55:05] <Deejay> perhaps you can just start some simulation-ini and everything is fine?
[07:56:04] <archivist> see the vismach option for visualisation of the machine itself
[07:56:07] <Deejay> but dont know, some other guys here may tell you :)
[07:56:32] * Deejay is just user ;)
[07:57:44] <rhavenj> archivist, ah vismatch looks cool, that would be nice to have, but its part of Simulation no?
[07:58:24] <archivist> if you installed from the live cd you will find both RT and sim options
[07:59:39] <rhavenj> i did install from live, but then compiled from git
[08:00:00] <archivist> I dunno about compilation
[08:09:36] <pink_vampire> Good morning!
[08:11:19] <gregcnc> Morning!
[08:12:21] <pink_vampire> hi gregcnc
[08:12:33] <gregcnc> how is your cabinet progressing?
[08:13:45] <Deejay> hi pink_vampire
[08:14:24] <pink_vampire> http://imgur.com/a/M8yGV
[08:15:57] <gregcnc> that looks nice. I haven't figured out what I'll do for the lathe.
[08:18:03] <pink_vampire> give it to ne
[08:18:49] <gregcnc> I'm also trying to decide how to configure the VFD inputs.
[08:20:23] <pink_vampire> me*
[08:20:32] <pink_vampire> sorry CTS
[08:21:52] <gregcnc> I was ready to kick this project to the curb, if I found a running machine, but I've made progress recently.
[08:22:43] <pink_vampire> I had the HF lathe
[08:22:54] <pink_vampire> but it's was soo junk
[08:23:07] <pink_vampire> and it's was too small
[08:23:13] <pink_vampire> so I return it
[08:25:09] <gregcnc> I have a Central Machinery that was a 3 in 1 with only the lathe parts left. Thought it might have enough travel to set up as gang tool, but it just takes up space because the spindle bearings are garbage.
[08:27:51] <gregcnc> The one I'm working on is an old Emco 6 CNC. I have the servos tuned, am sorting out he VFD. Next will be turret ATC.
[08:28:49] <_methods> yeah i think the first thing people end up doing on those HF lathes is replace the spindle bearings
[08:28:56] <pink_vampire> why do you need ATC at home?
[08:29:01] <pink_vampire> I'm stuck with the arduino code
[08:29:42] <gregcnc> not just hobby
[08:30:31] <archivist> any sensible job needs multiple tools, you need to be able to preset them and know the offsets
[08:30:40] <gregcnc> I hope to do the ATC in linuxcnc. there is more than on example of this type of ATC, so i'm hoping it's easy.
[08:37:02] <beikeland> on the topic of ATC for a mill, does all implementations require air?
[08:37:54] <archivist> dont think so
[08:38:14] <archivist> usually though
[08:38:36] <gregcnc> air is cheaper?
[08:39:05] <pink_vampire> I don't like air compressos
[08:39:16] <pink_vampire> too much noise
[08:40:13] <gregcnc> you can get quiet compressors -> california air tool
[08:40:29] <beikeland> so there are electic options or are we talking (electro-)hydraulic?
[08:41:09] <archivist> depends how your ATC works
[08:41:13] <pink_vampire> air system are noise psss psss
[08:41:21] <pink_vampire> I don't like it
[08:44:50] <gregcnc> If you have an existing ATC, wouldn't it be a lot of work to change?
[08:46:34] <Simonious> what is the free toolpath for converted a 3D pdf to something I can view in sketchup or solidworks?
[08:47:36] <pink_vampire> HSMexpress is free
[08:47:54] <archivist> PDF...you are starting from the wrong place
[08:47:56] <pink_vampire> It work as a plugin to solidwors
[08:48:22] <pink_vampire> archivist pdf support 3D
[08:48:38] <archivist> it is a write only medium
[08:48:57] <gregcnc> Can you get useful geometry from 3D PDF?
[08:49:19] <archivist> doubt it
[08:49:33] * Simonious ponders
[08:49:40] <gregcnc> I tried, but it was a whole ago now, nothing worked.
[08:49:49] <gregcnc> while
[08:49:56] <archivist> PDF should die
[08:50:01] * Simonious chuckles
[08:52:57] <membiblio> good morning - is there another signal, similar to spindle-on, that I can use to run a startup state machine in python when LCNC is told to RUN and I can feed back a signal saying RUNOK or not and prohibit machine operation?
[08:54:28] <archivist> membiblio, look at motions other outputs
[08:56:20] <Simonious> pink_vampire: I see HSMexpress is free, were you trying to say it could import 3D PDFs?
[08:56:54] <archivist> membiblio, also you might want to drive an input to set a defined state
[08:57:04] <membiblio> archivist - this is where spindle-on comes from, which I have been using, but I need something 'earlier' and 'more-core' - using spindle-on does not inhibit the operation of the machine merely the G code execution. :( :)
[08:57:29] <pink_vampire> I never import somthing from 3d pdf, I just know that pdf support 3d display
[08:57:47] <pink_vampire> I need arduino programer
[08:58:06] <membiblio> archivist - explain more please? Regarding drive input to defined state. I believe that is what I do when I ask Python to manipulate hal pins. (?)
[08:58:07] <archivist> membiblio, eg motion.feed-inhibit IN BIT
[08:59:33] <archivist> also feed-hold and enable
[09:02:07] <membiblio> archivist - interesting - I see motion.enable and I know I can drive this pin via hal - can I sense this pin or another to read that 'the operator put into run state' and I can return to idle state if machine peripherals are not ready?
[09:02:52] <archivist> you can connect whatever to signals to read them
[09:03:12] <membiblio> archivist - motion.enable is input to the motion module - what drives motion.enable? Search for motion.enable in config?
[09:03:27] <archivist> yes
[09:04:04] <archivist> might be a bit deeper connecting to a gui
[09:04:32] <membiblio> archivist - grep 'motion.enable' * returns nothing in my config
[09:04:58] <archivist> in the ini?
[09:05:16] <archivist> I have never looked for it
[09:06:39] <membiblio> archivist - is aok - I will continue researching - am successfully using spindle-on - somehow reading and setting the same pin - and it works but feels kludgey. :)
[09:07:43] <membiblio> er maybe I read spindle-on and return spindle-at-speed - that sounds more plausible :)
[09:08:37] <membiblio> and it sounds less hackish - but the machine WILL move and stop on a G code - I just don't like that it moves at all
[09:08:48] <membiblio> ok thank you archivist
[09:40:24] <pink_vampire> someone here use upwork.com?
[09:43:36] <_methods> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/02/09/assault-with-a-deadly-weapon-florida-man-charged-with-throwing-live-alligator-into-wendys/
[09:43:45] <_methods> PetefromTn_: you sure you want to move back to america's penis
[09:48:26] <cncbasher> pink_vampire: iv'e used similar what do you need ?
[09:48:55] <pink_vampire> to know how it work.
[09:48:56] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah man what state do you live in? Lemme google search some ridiculous heinous crimes over there just a sec... ;)
[09:49:31] <pink_vampire> I want to hire freelancer
[09:49:37] <cncbasher> for ?
[09:49:52] <pink_vampire> arduino coding
[09:50:16] <PetefromTn_> My friend Art is setting up an arduino to control the front end of his CNC lathe build
[09:50:54] <cncbasher> what do you need coding , i use arduino etc
[09:52:12] <pink_vampire> I have code that read 1 pin of analog input and do some calulation and pring in serial the temperature
[09:52:38] <cncbasher> 3d printer ?
[09:53:06] <pink_vampire> now I only need to multiply it
[09:53:08] <pink_vampire> no..
[09:53:14] <pink_vampire> for the CNC
[09:53:41] <_methods> hahah wasn't tryin to bash fla PetefromTn_
[09:53:56] <_methods> i just saw that on the news and thought it was about damn hilarious
[09:54:41] <_methods> hey i'm goin to wendy's someone help me get this gator in the car
[09:54:43] <PetefromTn_> I am sure the folks in the restaurant did not think so ;)
[09:54:56] <_methods> i bet not lol
[09:55:02] <PetefromTn_> I am quite surprised that guy did not get the living shit beat out of him...
[09:55:09] <_methods> i'd love to see video of him tryin to shove the gator thru the window
[09:55:38] <cncbasher> / the loop routine runs over and over again forever:
[09:55:38] <cncbasher> void loop() {
[09:55:38] <cncbasher> // read the input on analog pin 0:
[09:55:38] <cncbasher> int sensorValue = analogRead(A0);
[09:55:38] <cncbasher> // Convert the analog reading (which goes from 0 - 1023) to a voltage (0 - 5V):
[09:55:38] <cncbasher> float voltage = sensorValue * (5.0 / 1023.0);
[09:55:40] <cncbasher> // print out the value you read:
[09:55:40] <PetefromTn_> I mean if you were there enjoying your frosty shake and some jackass did that what would you do?
[09:55:42] <cncbasher> Serial.println(voltage);
[09:56:09] <_methods> i'd have to watch it in astonishment
[09:56:11] <pink_vampire> http://pastebin.com/dh5z0AaV
[09:56:14] <_methods> you don't see that every day
[09:56:23] <pink_vampire> this is the code
[09:56:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah but AFTER would you just stand there or would you want to beat his azz?
[09:56:56] <_methods> some things are so crazy you really don't know what to do
[09:57:00] <_methods> and that would be one of them
[09:57:05] <PetefromTn_> that is true enough
[09:57:37] <_methods> so insane it takes you longer to formulate a course of action than it does to process what you've witnessed
[09:57:38] <PetefromTn_> I would probably be like...well he threw the gator, so now he's unarmed....RUSH HIS ASS And start the beat down LOL
[09:58:05] <PetefromTn_> I think it would also depend if my wife and kids were with me
[09:58:08] <_methods> anyone driving around with a gator is not right
[09:58:26] <cncbasher> ok so what output are you getting , compaired to what your looking for
[09:58:29] <pink_vampire> cncbasher: did you see it?
[09:58:38] <PetefromTn_> maybe he was just trying to propose to wendys an alternate meat source?
[09:58:44] <_methods> hahah
[09:58:50] <_methods> gator sliders
[09:58:58] <PetefromTn_> I love gator tail bites!!
[09:59:05] <PetefromTn_> damn yummy stuff
[09:59:22] <PetefromTn_> I like it with the mustard sauces they serve it with in Florida
[10:00:05] <PetefromTn_> Ya know its funny since I told people that I may have sold my house and will be moving to florida if the deal goes thru..
[10:00:20] <PetefromTn_> a bunch of people have told me I am nutz to move there LOL
[10:00:33] <PetefromTn_> most of which have never even been there before
[10:00:36] <_methods> i have no problem with fl
[10:00:40] <_methods> love it there
[10:00:54] <_methods> but when a story like that comes up
[10:01:24] <PetefromTn_> having spent a vast portion of my life down there in several different areas of the state I THINK I know what I am getting myself into hehe
[10:01:58] <_methods> well i couldn't pass up that one
[10:02:13] <PetefromTn_> I mean hell we just spent over a week down there on Vacation just this past spring... I know man I am not speaking about you specifically
[10:02:34] <PetefromTn_> I thought it was kinda amusing myself...
[10:03:00] <_methods> if you don't get some sort of reaction out of that story then something is wrong
[10:03:12] <_methods> man pushes gator thru drive thru window.............
[10:03:44] <PetefromTn_> Oh I did not read the whole article HE did it at the drive thru?
[10:04:10] <PetefromTn_> I thought he came inside the restaurant and threw it in the door or something.
[10:05:00] <_methods> no he pushed the gator thru the drive thru window
[10:05:09] <PetefromTn_> LOL that apparently happened in Jupiter
[10:05:19] <PetefromTn_> my best friend lives there right now
[10:05:29] <_methods> damn gator was like a 6' too
[10:05:30] <PetefromTn_> and that is only like a half hour from where we are hoping to move
[10:05:50] <PetefromTn_> says 3 1/2'
[10:07:24] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry it actually says the guy is from Jupiter and the Wendys was in Royal Palm Beach which is like west of Palm Beach...
[10:09:06] <_methods> oh only 3-1/2
[10:09:10] <_methods> i just saw a pic lol
[10:09:15] <_methods> looked like 6' to me
[10:09:19] <_methods> but you know how that goes
[10:09:22] <_methods> hahahah
[10:09:32] <PetefromTn_> yup craziness
[10:09:42] <_methods> always overestimating the size of my gator
[10:09:52] <PetefromTn_> Don't we all LOL
[10:10:10] <PetefromTn_> says he was pranking a friend who worked there
[10:10:57] <_methods> that's why i don't do pranks anymore
[10:11:12] <PetefromTn_> nobody has a sense of humor anymore :D
[10:11:14] <_methods> they always seem funny
[10:11:30] <_methods> till someone ends up in the hospital lol
[10:12:09] <PetefromTn_> or the big house
[10:12:23] <_methods> that comes after the hospital usually lol
[10:12:48] <pink_vampire> I'm on https://discord.gg/0oAimSwFHdSEFl7Y
[10:14:33] <pink_vampire> you are welcom to join and save typing on the keyboard
[10:14:49] <_methods> hahah trump called cruz a pussy and everyone is all upset
[10:16:40] <PetefromTn_> yup pretty disappointing bunch of potential Presidential candidates from every side unfortunately...
[10:16:59] <_methods> yeah it's pretty bleak
[10:17:26] <_methods> another state closer to getting brawndo fountains installed across the country
[10:18:00] <gregcnc> pack up the shops and emigrate too.....
[10:18:11] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[10:18:20] <_methods> heheh
[10:18:21] <PetefromTn_> that movie was hilarious
[10:19:10] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man I gotta get my azz to work here
[10:19:16] <_methods> pretty sure trump will drive the drilldo around everywhere he goes
[10:21:29] <_methods> http://www.brawndo.com/
[10:21:30] <_methods> hahah
[10:21:40] <_methods> i didn't know it actually had a website
[10:33:29] <_methods> it's no gator thru a drivethru
[10:33:31] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6xEnsc51fY
[10:33:56] <_methods> goat pole dancing lol
[10:34:48] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[10:35:06] <PetefromTn_> Gotta get these parts machined here... Talk later man
[10:35:24] <_methods> hahah later
[11:11:52] <JT-Shop> lol, the price for quicken keeps changing up and down
[11:45:22] <miss0r> do any of you have experience casting a cnc base using epoxy granite?
[11:46:36] <Jymmm> miss0r: Just curious, what are you making?
[11:47:48] <miss0r> The plan is a vertical machine center :) and I've been reading alot about the epoxy granite.
[11:49:14] <miss0r> flood coolant, toolchanger, the works
[11:49:21] <anomynous> why dont you buy a used one and rework it?
[11:49:25] <miss0r> plus a nice stainless steel enclosure :)
[11:49:38] <miss0r> anomynous: Now wheres the fun in that?
[11:49:41] <anomynous> :D
[11:49:42] <anomynous> ok
[11:49:50] <anomynous> either way it will be expensiv e
[11:50:54] <anomynous> are you going to make it accurate?
[11:51:00] <miss0r> indeed. I must admit; I have been on the market for a used machine center. but the ones avaliable in my country are both old and expensive... you can get some newer ones: age^-2 + money^2
[11:51:17] <miss0r> anomynous: The idea was to end up within 0.005mm
[11:51:22] <miss0r> so 'somewhat'
[11:51:27] <anomynous> okay
[11:51:34] <anomynous> wow.
[11:51:37] <anomynous> you have some work.
[11:51:43] <miss0r> I can't afford to go get C1 bearings.
[11:52:03] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: what's your actual question about those machines?
[11:53:11] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: I am looking for a proper recepie/sugestions for the composition from someone whom have actualy tried it, and preferably experimented on the rigidity of the end product
[11:53:53] <Jymmm> miss0r: Here ya go, and you can learn about casting the steel too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Cn0WRXPKs
[11:53:57] <CaptHindsight> there is a several year thread on cnczone
[11:54:39] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: I make resins and composites
[11:54:55] <Jymmm> ...and cement shoes
[11:55:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/epoxy-granite/30155-epoxy-granite-machine-bases-polymer-concrete-frame.html
[11:55:20] <archivist> what temperature range to achieve "within 0.005mm"
[11:55:30] <miss0r> hang on - need to reset the CNC
[11:55:45] <CaptHindsight> galoshes galoshes
[11:56:27] <miss0r> archivist: It will be at 20c at all times
[11:57:01] <archivist> except when it is used when it self heats
[11:57:05] <miss0r> Jymmm: Even another dain like me doing
[11:57:17] <Jymmm> miss0r: Like granite? You need a scratch built one micron cnc... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q
[11:57:31] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: ~9:1 is the aggregate to resin ratio
[11:58:10] <miss0r> archivist: true. I have been told that "EG" frames are less suceptable to heat
[11:58:18] <CaptHindsight> what the thread on cnczone misses is that they only used a few off the shelf 2K epoxies
[11:59:17] <CaptHindsight> it doesn't matter that much since the resin is only 10%, but you can greatly vary the properties of the resin
[11:59:53] <CaptHindsight> vacuum bagging was the other major discovery that they made
[12:01:38] <archivist> boats and other composites use vacuum bagging too
[12:02:03] <Jymmm> PP sticks to NOTHING =)
[12:02:22] <CaptHindsight> for this application air bubbles don't add to the strength and rigidity
[12:02:35] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: how about PP adhesives?
[12:02:51] <miss0r> smart :) I was also thinking of building a vibrating table to put it on
[12:02:53] <Jymmm> no such thing (at least not without heat treating )
[12:03:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: (yes, we've had this conversation before,)
[12:04:03] <Jymmm> You have to pretreat usually with open flame to use any kind of adhesive.
[12:04:25] <Jymmm> even inks
[12:04:29] <CaptHindsight> or corona or plasma treat
[12:04:44] <Jymmm> I have neither =)
[12:04:46] <CaptHindsight> you raise the surface energy
[12:04:57] <CaptHindsight> a propane torch
[12:04:58] <miss0r> Two reasons I want to use this: I can't cast iron :) two: it looks pretty
[12:05:01] <miss0r> ^^
[12:05:22] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that I have and use for such things
[12:06:23] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: can you bolt through it?
[12:11:11] <gregcnc> get me one of these! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7n00Xx38o
[12:11:34] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: "Don' t fuss over strength. It is extremely hard if not impossible to build a cnc that is rigid enough for milling and then to have it break because it is not strong enough."
[12:12:27] <miss0r> indeed. I'm more worried about vibrations to be honnest
[12:12:59] <CaptHindsight> dampening or cracking due to them?
[12:13:36] <miss0r> the former
[12:14:29] <_methods> those are awesome
[12:14:58] <_methods> tire car
[12:14:59] <_methods> lol
[12:15:29] <gregcnc> looks like a toy
[12:16:25] <_methods> only $70k
[12:16:39] <CaptHindsight> floats on water, pop up windshield
[12:16:43] <miss0r> _methods: I've been meaning to ask you: how and why did you come across that video of the goat?
[12:17:32] <gregcnc> would be usefull here http://fox6now.com/2016/02/06/breaking-several-cars-fall-through-ice-at-lake-genevas-winterfest/
[12:18:06] <CaptHindsight> how much would you pay for your very own Sherp?
[12:19:21] <gregcnc> if i ever have the the money for a toy vehicle -> unimog
[12:19:57] <miss0r> gregcnc: Indeed! I have one of thoes. I also have an 88" 2,25L petrol Land Rover from 72 ;)
[12:20:09] <miss0r> (the latter is my love and pride)
[12:20:28] <archivist> landrover hope and glory
[12:22:01] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I told them to have a contest to see who could drive on the lake the longest before winterfest
[12:22:23] <gregcnc> Cool! There are not many unimog in the US.
[12:22:42] <maxcnc> hi all from a windy germany
[12:23:20] <CaptHindsight> I surprised that they didn't block the access to the lake where they parked
[12:23:33] <CaptHindsight> it's a boat launch
[12:23:42] <miss0r> My land rovers frame when I bought it: http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/Garfield87/IMG_0095.jpg how it looked when I build it a new frame and under carrage: http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/Garfield87/IMG_1467.jpg
[12:23:43] <gregcnc> oh people weren't supposed to be parked there?
[12:24:00] <miss0r> Build that frame from scratch; 3mm cold rolled steel plate. then had it zink coated
[12:25:32] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the boat launch is right on the road and open year around, they rely on common sense but with out-of-towners they forgot how that doesn't prevail
[12:26:11] <gregcnc> Oh. lol city folk
[12:26:39] <miss0r> :D
[12:27:13] <nos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7dNdQc1NL4
[12:27:22] <nos> Ferroresonance
[12:29:27] <miss0r> meh. dinner time. enough for tonight. c'ya around
[12:34:22] <PetefromTn_> miss0r man that looks like a bunch of work on that LR
[12:34:33] <PetefromTn_> oh hes gone LOL
[12:53:37] * JT-Shop finally got jan 15 sorted out in qb
[12:59:03] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
[13:04:47] <pink_vampire> hi
[13:12:10] <pink_vampire> someone here did engraving on polycarbonate or nylon sheet?
[13:14:31] <PetefromTn_> I have made edge lit LED lights on plastic sheet
[13:15:28] <cradek> I've also done that
[13:15:36] <cradek> I'm not sure what plastic we used
[13:16:00] <cradek> lately I've done it with glass, too - glass works better and you can clean it without scratching it
[13:16:54] <cradek> experiments making a stacked numeric display out of microscope slides: http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/nine-blanks.jpg
[13:17:25] <cradek> it shows you can have a stack of ten and you can still see the back one just fine
[13:18:20] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/nine.png
[13:18:49] <pink_vampire> laser cutter?
[13:19:01] <pink_vampire> cradek: ?
[13:19:21] <cradek> no, I used simple diamond tooling like a burr you'd put in a dremel, underwater
[13:19:28] <Jymmm> Edge lit 7 segment led https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr_3c_1lHbg
[13:19:38] <cradek> I've cut lots of glass, even thick stuff, that way
[13:20:19] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: how it's work?
[13:20:21] <cradek> Jymmm: that's neat because it doesn't have the stacking/obscuring issue
[13:20:37] <pink_vampire> each egment is one sheet?
[13:20:43] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: watch the entire video
[13:21:00] <Jymmm> cradek: Well, they are "stacked", or at least layered
[13:21:10] <cradek> pretty minor parallax troubles
[13:21:34] <cradek> yes but the lit-up bit isn't ever behind other engraved bits
[13:22:12] <Jymmm> It actually is, just not visiually dominate
[13:22:43] <Jymmm> the ilumination of the lit segments just contrasts very well
[13:23:14] <Jymmm> It's just like when I engrave granite or marble... it's all about contrast
[13:23:29] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: did you make it?
[13:23:56] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: that one, no.
[13:24:55] <pink_vampire> I need to choose between polycarbonate or nylon sheet
[13:25:26] <pink_vampire> and I don't know what will work better for engraving
[13:25:34] <cradek> you will probably want to get a sample of each and try them
[13:25:47] <Jymmm> This isn't even edge lit, all about the contrast baby =) http://imgur.com/E3KzoZk
[13:26:36] <pink_vampire> qrz...
[13:29:28] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/go6krw2s0luwjc8/2014-05-01%2000.09.32.mp4?dl=0
[13:29:30] <_methods> hehe
[13:30:44] <pink_vampire> _methods: yes.. it is look gay..
[13:30:57] <_methods> hahah
[13:31:26] <_methods> perfect use for cnc machines
[13:31:31] <_methods> making fun of your buddies
[13:31:56] <_methods> he got me back though
[13:32:03] <pink_vampire> this is how you came out?
[13:33:57] <pink_vampire> ok..
[13:34:24] <cradek> I want a rainbow sign!
[13:34:42] <pink_vampire> cradek: you have to be gay first..
[13:34:50] <cradek> no problem
[13:35:15] <pink_vampire> ok.. you got it
[13:35:33] <JT-Shop> monkey pickle time
[13:36:10] <_methods> monkey puppy baby
[13:37:22] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql7uY36-LwA
[13:38:05] <pink_vampire> WTF
[13:38:27] <cradek> Has science gone too far?
[13:40:04] <_methods> hahah
[13:40:06] <_methods> or not far enough
[13:49:40] <PetefromTn_> jeez what the hell was that?
[13:50:52] <CaptHindsight> animal hybrids... reminds me of Cheney
[13:51:02] <CaptHindsight> Balmer
[13:55:06] <_methods> puppymonkeybaby
[13:56:00] <CaptHindsight> http://notallowedto.com/human-dog-hybrids-are-being-sold-to-the-super-rich-as-pets/
[13:56:19] <CaptHindsight> yes, it's like the Onion
[13:57:59] <PetefromTn_> HAHAHAHAhahahahahahaha that is freaking hilarious.
[13:58:18] <PetefromTn_> Gotta go get my kids from school now and try to forget that picture...
[14:08:10] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: The only thing funnier than the story, is the comments where people believe it's true
[14:09:53] <roycroft> i'm not sure what the point of that project is
[14:10:22] <roycroft> the 1% are the only ones who can afford a human-dog hybrid, and the 1% are incapable of telling the difference between dogs and the 99% in the first place
[14:10:41] <roycroft> they would be paying big bucks for something they would not be able to distinguish from anything else
[14:11:08] <malcom2073> roycroft: ......
[14:11:09] <malcom2073> it's a joke.
[14:11:14] <roycroft> DUH
[14:11:33] <roycroft> are snarky comments not permitted as responses to jokes any more?
[14:11:45] <malcom2073> Snarky is lost in text without emojis :)
[14:12:02] <roycroft> hmm
[14:12:06] <CaptHindsight> \snark
[14:12:13] <roycroft> i thought that was seething with snarkiness
[14:12:19] <roycroft> i'll be more explicit in the future
[14:12:35] <roycroft> for the benefit of the dog-human brains here :P
[14:12:55] <malcom2073> See? There ya go :) You can be taught afterall
[14:13:08] <roycroft> may i have my cookie now?
[14:13:32] <CaptHindsight> \Attention: The following comment may include simile, metaphor, snark and/or sarcasm.\
[14:14:12] <roycroft> http://notallowedto.com/human-dog-hybrids-are-being-sold-to-the-super-rich-as-
[14:14:27] <roycroft> ack, sorry
[14:22:07] <_methods> you gotta break it down barney style for Jymmm
[14:22:26] <_methods> get out some purple markers lol
[14:33:35] <PetefromTn_> LOL Barney style
[14:35:43] <_methods> hehe
[14:57:51] <Simonious> Anybody played with a markforged printer yet?
[15:10:15] <CaptHindsight> fiber reinforced thermoplastics at glacial speeds
[15:11:28] <CaptHindsight> and at 8 thou or worse resolution
[15:12:25] <CaptHindsight> at $5500 and up it's for early adopters and suckers
[15:14:10] <CaptHindsight> https://markforged.com/charles/ fiberglass-reinforced nylon steering assembly took 24 hours to 3D print
[15:14:21] <pink_vampire> http://new.abb.com/low-voltage/products/power-supplies
[15:15:35] <pink_vampire> what category is the right to power supply for the breakout boards?
[15:16:16] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: he could have made one with a file and block of aluminum quicker ;-)
[15:17:12] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: don't start gettin all logical and everything, FDM is the future!
[15:17:43] <mozmck> A chuck of bois d'ark would have probably been stronger!
[15:31:54] <_methods> are 3d printers still a thing?
[15:32:32] <CaptHindsight> by 3D printers you must mean a FDM printer
[15:32:39] <_methods> yeah lol
[15:33:03] <CaptHindsight> according to their salespeople they will be taking over manufacturing
[15:33:56] <gregcnc> certainly it will get to the point that every house has a filament feed and a utility to supply it.
[15:35:14] <CaptHindsight> as well as be made from it
[15:35:35] <CaptHindsight> food will be dispensed from it as well as water and air
[15:36:40] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight, being over 100 years old, also insisted that these silly "automatic mobile" things would never take hold ;P
[15:37:27] <CaptHindsight> attachments will be provided to reclaim any valuable resources from your bodies extruder
[15:39:46] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: FDM is not all 3d printing, FDM is a very small subset of useful 3d printing
[15:41:34] <CaptHindsight> oh and sorry I started to talk like a fag
[15:49:36] <cradek> what's with all the anti-gay stuff in the channel today? I know you're all better than that, folks.
[15:49:52] <_methods> hey my sign was pro gay
[15:50:10] <_methods> it had pretty lights and everything
[15:50:51] <gregcnc> only ~2% of US oil/gas consumption is used for plastic feedstock/energy
[15:50:58] <gregcnc> I thought it was more
[15:51:01] <CaptHindsight> cradek: it's a line from Idiocracy
[15:52:05] <Erant> FloppyDisk5_25: In case you wanted to take a shot at that Compact 8, the guy didn't seem to want to go lower than 550.
[15:52:08] <CaptHindsight> old meme
[15:52:43] <CaptHindsight> meem even
[15:53:13] <Erant> And the change gears are ~$120+
[15:53:40] <Erant> I basically offered him $480, and then he stopped responding...
[15:54:43] <_methods> hehe
[15:54:54] <_methods> i guess you found rock bottom
[15:55:47] <CaptHindsight> tell him that you are new to haggling and it's nothing personal
[15:57:11] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u75XQdTxZRc
[15:57:37] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Eh, so he got the thing in a trade. And I think he's basing the value on whatever he traded for rather than the lathe itself.
[15:58:36] <gregcnc> at the markets in china they just keep lowering the price until you cave
[15:58:56] <Erant> I'm not in a rush, and there seem to be more and more small-ish lathes on CL.
[15:59:22] <Erant> I still wish I could find a way to get the 618 to my house. Has two chucks, all the change gears, some tooling...
[16:00:03] <gregcnc> isn't 6/18 about the same size and the Compact 8?
[16:04:40] <Deejay> gn8
[16:04:45] <Erant> It is, the 618 is much farther from home though. Also the 618 comes with a cabinet.
[16:05:13] <gregcnc> I read "into"
[16:05:40] <Erant> For some reason I never got a car license, I just have a motorcycle license. The wife has the car license, but is unavailable for the long(er) trip to get the 618.
[16:10:41] <cradek> interesting - what country has motorcycle-only licenses?
[16:10:52] <Erant> US?
[16:11:05] <cradek> huh, did not know. maybe it's some states and not others.
[16:11:10] <Erant> This is CA
[16:11:34] <Erant> CLASS: M1 - 2whl M/C, Mtr-drvn Cycle, Scooter
[16:11:39] <cradek> here in NE motorcycle is just an extra endorsement on the car license
[16:11:46] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: you just keep walking, then let the next vendor yell at them for following you into their turf
[16:12:09] <Erant> cradek: It's uncommon.
[16:12:24] <Erant> I've been at the DMV before where the guy went "We don't do those licenses."
[16:12:29] <Erant> Until I showed him.
[16:12:30] <gregcnc> I did, they say me later and gave a price I couldn't complain about and they looked upset but took my greenbacks
[16:12:31] <cradek> heh
[16:12:43] <Erant> "Oh. Euhm. I don't know how to do that..."
[16:13:00] * Erant mumbles something under his breath about the DMV
[16:13:30] <CaptHindsight> have to take a road test here on a closed course
[16:13:47] <CaptHindsight> figure 8, circle stop, ect
[16:13:50] <CaptHindsight> etc
[16:13:59] <gregcnc> probably any state with large cities?
[16:14:28] <CaptHindsight> also extra written test with 8 questions
[16:14:34] <cradek> yeah we had a (somewhat tricky) riding test too
[16:14:39] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Yeah, sounds about right.
[16:14:48] <cradek> it's been decades though since I had to take it
[16:14:52] <cradek> no idea what they do today
[16:15:03] <malcom2073> cradek: Still the somwhat tricky riding test
[16:15:07] <malcom2073> at least, in PA, MD, and VA
[16:15:16] <CaptHindsight> stopping while turning, approaching a big bump etc
[16:15:35] <Erant> So I should really go get a car license, but because I have a large-ish bike with big bags I can do 99% of what I need
[16:15:42] <Erant> And the wife has the car, so...
[16:15:49] <cradek> heh stopping while turning gets everyone the first time
[16:15:50] <CaptHindsight> might come in handy some day
[16:16:07] <CaptHindsight> i want to get my big rig license to just have it
[16:16:09] <Erant> Low impetus for me to go spend time at my favorite place in the world.
[16:16:26] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Oh, I know. I'd drive a couple of hours this weekend to go get that lathe.
[16:16:34] <CaptHindsight> and the occasional rental
[16:26:56] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P19qFzqBKGs no license required
[16:27:27] <Erant> Hehe
[16:31:34] <FloppyDisk5_25> Erant - thanks for the note!
[16:32:50] <FloppyDisk5_25> Erant - I'll offer him $390 (lowball you - hahah) and see if bites...
[16:33:02] <FloppyDisk5_25> j/k
[16:36:19] <malcom2073> Scooters that size in the USA need licenses though heh
[16:39:36] <Erant> FloppyDisk5_25: Hey, that might help me ;)
[16:39:51] <FloppyDisk5_25> I was thinking that as well....
[16:40:15] <FloppyDisk5_25> I'm will to scratch linuxcnc irc users because I know they've helped me:-)
[16:41:32] <Erant> Though I have a feeling he probably got someone that's willing to pay more.
[16:44:13] <FloppyDisk5_25> Yeah, I saw a grizzly g4000 for $600 go in about 5 days about 2 wks ago...
[16:48:17] <Erant> FloppyDisk5_25: Which is pretty much a Compact 8 anyway.
[16:49:17] <FloppyDisk5_25> the g4000 seemed to be fully outfitted w/ the accessories, so it seemed like a good deal.
[16:49:44] <FloppyDisk5_25> Erant - you didn't want to go for this one: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/tls/5432815862.html
[16:50:05] <FloppyDisk5_25> I saw CaptainHindsight post the pirate link and he's down to $950 on that site:-)
[16:51:15] <Erant> FloppyDisk5_25: I contacted him, he sold it.
[16:51:29] <Erant> Just because I was curious. It's missing a lot.
[16:51:48] <FloppyDisk5_25> so take down the post... I'll offer him $1200 via email - hahaha...
[16:51:58] <Erant> Hehe ;)
[17:12:21] <Sync> CaptHindsight: I tried to find information on the braking while cornering thing, what are they doing there?
[17:18:49] <Frank__4> any advice on how to avoid any more rusting inside 4x4'' steel tube? (1.3mts) i was thinking on rubbing some oil in there, its my gantry for a cnc router
[17:23:11] <PetefromTn_> you could spray the inside with some of that por15 or something like it?
[17:23:34] <malcom2073> Could fill it with oil and cap it
[17:23:58] <malcom2073> Or fill then drain it and cap it
[17:24:09] <roycroft> or flush it with an inert gas and seal it airtight
[17:24:15] <Sync> or just let it rust
[17:24:22] <malcom2073> Though in a normal shop, I wouldn't expect it'd rust enough to cause damage for quite a long time
[17:24:51] <Frank__4> lol
[17:25:55] <Frank__4> i cant seal it airtight cuz of the holes for the linear guides, what i find annoying is that it already has some little rust from the heat treating process and leaving it in the rain..
[17:26:24] <Frank__4> does it gets much worse? would a bolted cap to the tube make a difference�?
[17:26:40] <malcom2073> It'll rust until it's all gone.... but how long will it take? Depends on a ton of things :)
[17:27:03] <Frank__4> its 1/4'' thicj
[17:27:05] <Frank__4> thick
[17:30:04] <_methods> i can't imagine how leaving it in the rain might cause it to rust lol
[17:31:36] <Frank__4> haha yeah, i thought they would have left it covered, it doesnt take that much space
[17:33:38] <malcom2073> You got it heat treated after welding or something?
[17:33:44] <_methods> i'd be a bit upset about that
[17:34:09] <malcom2073> Yeah, really you should be able to get them to sandblast and clean it heh
[17:36:43] <Frank__4> yes i did malcom, well now its a little bit late, everything is painted on the outside, besides i dont really think they had the equipment to sand blast it, it would have been really cool thou, i spent about 3 or 4 days cleaning everything from the main frame and the gantry
[17:37:32] <Frank__4> it was cheap anyway..
[17:37:34] <__rob> http://snag.gy/iGAI0.jpg
[17:37:40] <__rob> first part on my pcnc
[17:38:04] <__rob> well pleased with that after testing everything, it all just worked
[17:38:15] <malcom2073> I wish I could find a place to heat-treat the big frame I wanna build, would make it much easier if I could weld it
[17:40:02] <malcom2073> to economically*
[17:40:30] <_methods> __rob: nice
[17:40:33] <_methods> looks good
[17:41:09] <Frank__4> malcom2073: whats that
[17:41:24] <malcom2073> Frank__4: Router like yours, but much bigger heh
[17:41:42] <Frank__4> oh have you seen the pics?
[17:41:53] <malcom2073> Yeah, I was talking to you about it a week or two ago heh
[17:41:56] <_methods> why did you get it heat treated?
[17:42:03] <malcom2073> I've seen renders, no actual pictures yet
[17:42:10] <Frank__4> to remove internal stresses from the welding operation
[17:42:24] <Frank__4> how much bigger are you talking about :D ?
[17:42:39] <malcom2073> 5ftx10ft :)
[17:43:41] <Frank__4> sometimes i start wandering about my next build.. i dont know if i should make it really small or full size+ big heavy 9mm thick steel tubes
[17:44:21] <Frank__4> right know i am fighting with some holes, drilling and tapping
[17:44:26] <Frank__4> already broke 2 tapps
[17:44:38] <Frank__4> i just hate to tapp stuff
[17:44:50] <Frank__4> (recently learned that) hah
[17:44:53] <malcom2073> Could you be doing something wrong?
[17:45:03] <malcom2073> Typically, they won't break
[17:45:09] <Frank__4> oh, i sure am
[17:45:32] <Frank__4> (if correctly said ??) i think the holes arent perfectly straight
[17:45:44] <Frank__4> i had to hand drill the rack holes
[17:45:47] <malcom2073> A tap will follow a hole for the most part, at least in thicker materials
[17:46:04] <malcom2073> But it helps to keep it lined up when going in
[17:46:31] <Frank__4> i blame the power drill for the first broken tapp,
[17:46:41] <Frank__4> the second one goes on me :D
[17:46:46] <malcom2073> Wait... are oyu using a drill to run the tap in?
[17:47:09] <Frank__4> well, one tapp broke on a power drill and the other while hand starting the tapp
[17:47:19] <malcom2073> Heh, you need special taps for doing that
[17:47:23] <__rob> I normally get the tap in on the pillar drill by hand
[17:47:33] <Frank__4> i bought a machine tap
[17:48:12] <PetefromTn_> I have used a cordless drill with a clutch many many times with many different tap styles and never had a problem.
[17:48:28] <Frank__4> like 35$ worth of tapps throw the bin after 20 shamefull threads
[17:49:00] <Frank__4> i am using a corded drill, it doesnt have torque limit
[17:49:06] <__rob> just gotta get the feel for when its too stiff, back it up a few turns then go again
[17:49:20] <__rob> did like 40 M2 holes by hand
[17:49:28] <__rob> and they snap easily
[17:50:02] <__rob> got the feel for it after the first few tho
[17:50:15] <Frank__4> i can swear to you i did, but i think the hole wasnt straight enough, breaking the tapp easily with no excessive force at all (excuse my english)
[17:50:41] <__rob> maybe buy a better tap
[17:50:53] <__rob> better then a part with a bit of metal lodged in it
[17:51:27] <Frank__4> yeah, maybe.. its hss, but its local production, i dont think i can find any import stuff of that kind
[17:52:11] <__rob> also you can get sets of them
[17:52:34] <__rob> for first second and final
[17:52:46] <Frank__4> thats hand tapping right?
[17:52:52] <__rob> ohh, yea
[17:53:09] <Frank__4> i understand, that if you use a power drill, the type 2 is sufficient,
[17:53:35] <Frank__4> there isnt even a type 1 machine tap i belive, but i might be wrong
[17:53:41] <__rob> never done it with power. Hopefully that will change shortly on the tormach
[17:54:09] <malcom2073> That reminds me, I need to figure out how fast my mill has to move to run a tapamatic
[17:56:27] <Frank__4> hopefully i can use the bench press for the holes of the linear guideways.. meaning no problems with the tapping..
[17:57:08] <Frank__4> if i do encounter them.. then i will oficially retire myself from tappign anything else in my entire life T_T
[17:58:07] <_methods> taps break, the sky is blue, water is wet, it's the way of the world
[17:58:38] <PetefromTn_> taps break? ;)
[17:59:05] <Frank__4> hehe, ur right, but worst than that, is when you just cant get the broken tap from the hole
[17:59:40] <_methods> it can ruin your day for sure
[17:59:58] <_methods> always have a carbide drill or 2 around
[18:00:04] <Frank__4> i still have 1 hole with the point of the tapp inside it, most of it is actually usable, so i will make a few turns and maybe it holds
[18:00:05] <_methods> drill that bad boy out
[18:00:19] <Frank__4> carbide bits are more expensive right?
[18:00:31] <_methods> just buy one that is around your tap size
[18:00:34] <_methods> for emergencies
[18:00:44] <_methods> you can find them for decent price on ebay
[18:01:16] <_methods> what size tap?
[18:01:17] <Frank__4> yeah i should.. i dulled one new hss drill bit trying to do the same job..
[18:01:21] <Frank__4> 6x1mm
[18:01:24] <Frank__4> 1/4''
[18:01:32] <_methods> grab a 5mm carbide 3xd
[18:01:45] <_methods> that should let you drill out any problems
[18:01:58] <_methods> 3xd should be nice and stubby
[18:02:06] <Frank__4> whats 3xd
[18:02:13] <_methods> 3 x diameter
[18:02:18] <_methods> that's the length of the drill
[18:02:31] <Frank__4> ohhh i see
[18:03:30] <_methods> you want it as short as possible so it doesn't walk off
[18:03:44] <_methods> you can get a 5mm carbide end mill also to do the same thing
[18:03:53] <_methods> 5mm center cutting carbide endmill
[18:04:37] <Frank__4> after drilling that out, making a pass with the same size tapp, it could still be usable if i am lucky right?
[18:04:38] <_methods> it will leave some of the tap in there but you should be able to peel it out after that
[18:04:48] <_methods> pick out what's left with a pick
[18:04:52] <Frank__4> yeah, as i've been doing for the most part..
[18:05:09] <_methods> it should come out easy aftger you drill/mill it out
[18:05:18] <_methods> peel out like a helicoil
[18:05:22] <Frank__4> but those pieces got stucked after some hard hammering :D
[18:06:28] <andypugh> broken tap?
[18:06:29] <Frank__4> its called the noob way of doing things hehe
[18:06:34] <Frank__4> yeah
[18:06:42] <Frank__4> 2 actually
[18:06:46] <andypugh> You can often smash a tap.
[18:07:26] <Frank__4> most of the tapp i could get out after smashing it, but the tip got stucked
[18:07:40] <andypugh> There are special three-fingered tools for removing taps. I have no idea if they work
[18:07:43] <Frank__4> i could get it out*
[18:08:41] <Frank__4> how are your projects going andy
[18:08:46] <andypugh> I managed to remove an EZ-out with a carbide end-mill in the milling machine. I think those are tool-steel rather than HSS though.
[18:09:11] <andypugh> Frank__4: Today I have mainly been chasing a problem with the PSU.
[18:09:37] <andypugh> After taking it apart, and much prodding with a multimeter, I noticed the breaker was tripped…
[18:10:04] <_methods> i've never had much luck with tap extractors
[18:10:05] <andypugh> (Currently different bits of the system are taking power from three separate circuits)
[18:10:13] <malcom2073> edm sinker!
[18:10:15] <_methods> if it's a regular hss tap i drill it out with carbide
[18:10:16] <malcom2073> or removing taps!
[18:10:30] <_methods> and if it's a carbide tap then i disentigrate it
[18:10:40] <Frank__4> lol
[18:10:42] <Frank__4> acid?
[18:10:45] <PetefromTn_> with your space modulator?
[18:10:49] <_methods> no tap disentigrator
[18:10:54] <_methods> EDM
[18:10:58] <PetefromTn_> I need me some a dat chit
[18:11:09] <andypugh> Actually, that’s a thought. Is it in Aluminium?
[18:11:19] <Frank__4> nope, steel..
[18:11:44] <_methods> i think the tap extractor kits have carbide drills in them
[18:12:02] <_methods> so you could theoretically go to an auto parts store and grab a tap extractor kit
[18:12:09] <malcom2073> I've seen a couple fairly inexpensive tap removing homebuilt EDM's
[18:12:16] <_methods> if you were wanting to do it right away
[18:12:29] <Frank__4> andypugh: have you finished your dads machine? i could be a little out-of-date
[18:12:30] <andypugh> For aluminium you can use chemistry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqZYgReuywM
[18:13:13] <Sync> yup
[18:13:17] <andypugh> Frank__4: I have used my dad’s machines, but I haven’t done any work on them.
[18:14:23] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uVunn6Vux4
[18:14:28] <andypugh> Once I sorted out the servo PSU on the lathe today I made a start on machining the hole for the ballscrew / nut. I am confident that this technique will get the hole in the right place. https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6249441774433518162
[18:14:48] <Frank__4> the way things are now, i could get 1 broken tapp, and the other one that broke on me i could get it out for the most part, i'll try the carbide method, if not the hell with it, its usable (not perfect) right now.. but anyway.. i just hope not to encounter this while doing the important holes.
[18:15:20] <Frank__4> lol
[18:15:32] <andypugh> My Chinese lathe conversion hs one hole with a tap in it and a bolt-head glued to the cover. Until moments ago I was the only one who knew that :-)
[18:16:06] <PetefromTn_> yup before that we thought it was purfect LOL
[18:16:58] <andypugh> Do you likr my lathe apron drilling setup? I deliberately made the interface between the ballscrew and the servo drive MT3 taper so I could do this.
[18:17:19] <_methods> Frank__4: just make sure you feed the carbide drill/mill slowly the tap will want to spin and it can shatter the drill/mill
[18:17:38] <_methods> so peck at it slowly
[18:17:41] <PetefromTn_> thats a clever one you clever fellow LOL
[18:17:42] <_methods> and be patient
[18:17:47] <andypugh> The Carver-clamp on the saddle is for the tailstock to push against to provide feed.
[18:17:53] <Frank__4> now that you mention it, will the carbide bit work with a hand drill?
[18:18:36] <_methods> well i'd try and set up something as stable as possible
[18:18:59] <_methods> if you're going to use a hand drill i recommend using the drill bit rather than the end mill
[18:19:28] <_methods> i'd try to use a drill press at least
[18:19:34] <PetefromTn_> is that toolpost mount the 3d thing you were working on?
[18:19:37] <andypugh> I think anything hand-held will try to run-off and is more likely to damage the thread.
[18:20:02] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: It’s one of my custom castings, yes.
[18:20:10] <PetefromTn_> carbide drills don't do well in hand drills ;) well I should say Carbide drills don't do well in hand drills when I am running them LOL
[18:20:37] <PetefromTn_> why did you make it so elaborate when a nice chunk of steel or cast would do?
[18:20:41] <_methods> you don't have a mag drill?
[18:21:00] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Because I wanted it to look nice. :-)
[18:21:02] <_methods> i don't understand how people don't have mag drills lol
[18:21:05] <PetefromTn_> no ya got one to give me? I swear I will return it ;)
[18:21:22] <FloppyDisk5_25> focus you fack... that was a cool bolt remover video, good for canker sores as well:-)
[18:21:25] <_methods> how do you survive without a mag drill?
[18:21:31] <malcom2073> What is a mag drill?
[18:21:39] <_methods> a magnetic drill
[18:21:46] <PetefromTn_> andypugh Oh it looks nice but it might have been even more rigid if it were a big ol chunk LOL
[18:21:48] <malcom2073> yes, I'm looking at them now, what's the driving purpose?
[18:22:01] <_methods> you can use it anywhere?
[18:22:10] <malcom2073> Oh, it sticks to things
[18:22:12] <malcom2073> interesting
[18:22:16] <PetefromTn_> I have used mag drills, they are great but not cheap
[18:22:21] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Castings are cheaper than billet, much of the time, and once you are making a pattern anyway….
[18:22:21] <Frank__4> i dont have one, but there its a flat bar welded and machined, i dont think a mag drill would even fit there
[18:23:21] <_methods> that sux
[18:23:27] <andypugh> There is some logic to the shape, it should never foul the work, and can be rotated to stretch the machine capacity a bit.
[18:23:27] <malcom2073> I guess it's useful if you work on large things you can't get a mill or drillpress on?
[18:23:35] <_methods> sounds like your in one of those pickle situations
[18:23:53] <Frank__4> i might just leave it as its right now, i have more threads than what the nut has, or if it creates problem i just drill another hole next to it..
[18:23:55] <_methods> they're made for onsite work, large things
[18:23:56] <Frank__4> thanks everyone!
[18:24:03] <andypugh> malcom2073: Yes, mag drills are great for driling holes in anything bigger and heavier than a mag drill :-)
[18:24:05] <Frank__4> as always nice to talk to you..
[18:24:10] <Frank__4> hahaha
[18:24:27] <_methods> they're life savers
[18:24:34] <PetefromTn_> andypugh looks great man don't mind me :D
[18:24:34] <_methods> oh shit fixers
[18:24:52] <_methods> like for when you break a tap in a large fixture and you need to get it out lol
[18:24:58] <PetefromTn_> They come in handy for drilling out broken studs on engines in the car occasionally
[18:24:59] <malcom2073> Ah, drilling holes in structural ibeams, that makes sense
[18:25:06] <Frank__4> well it sure is on the wish list of stuff to buy..
[18:25:13] <malcom2073> Where on an engine is large and flat enough to stick a mag drill to though?
[18:25:23] <_methods> you can chain it down
[18:25:25] <andypugh> malcom2073: Normally you use broaching cutters rather than drills.
[18:25:27] <_methods> or bolt a plate to something
[18:25:36] <Frank__4> an engine isnt aluminum?
[18:25:42] <Frank__4> mostly
[18:25:45] <_methods> you're only limited by your imagination with a mag drill
[18:25:53] <PetefromTn_> I used one to drill out the broken studs in my old Bronco's water pump
[18:26:14] <malcom2073> Why not use a normal drill?
[18:26:18] <malcom2073> Just easier?
[18:26:22] <_methods> it's more stable
[18:26:26] <_methods> easier to control
[18:26:31] <malcom2073> strighter hole too I'll bet
[18:26:37] <_methods> you can use endmills in it
[18:26:41] <_methods> or annular cutters
[18:27:01] <PetefromTn_> my old shop boss had one and he let me borrow it. Worked good
[18:27:08] <Frank__4> give one away for charity
[18:27:09] <PetefromTn_> they are pretty pricey tho
[18:27:09] <Frank__4> :D
[18:27:34] <DaViruz> i got one from work, a coworker had it upside down on a beam 6 meters in the air
[18:27:39] <_methods> yes they are expensive
[18:27:40] <DaViruz> and someone pulled the plug
[18:27:48] <DaViruz> no tether!
[18:27:55] <_methods> that's why you put the safety chain on lol
[18:28:03] <andypugh> Incidentally. just finished reading “That Martian”. I haven’t seen the film but I think I can confidently say that the book is better :-)
[18:28:07] <_methods> that will put a dent in your skull
[18:28:14] <Frank__4> hahaha
[18:28:25] <Frank__4> well, i've seen the film only
[18:28:28] <_methods> mag drills are HEAVY
[18:28:30] <DaViruz> pretty nasty crack in the gear housing, but it works just fine regardless
[18:28:53] <_methods> yeah they're made to withstand welders
[18:28:58] <DaViruz> andypugh: that goes for pretty much any book which has a film based on it.. :-)
[18:28:59] <Frank__4> i understand the book is much more in-depth with the science of going to mars,
[18:29:10] <PetefromTn_> HEY HEY
[18:29:14] <_methods> yeah i've only read the book too
[18:29:15] <_methods> hahahah
[18:29:22] <_methods> you resemble that remark PetefromTn_
[18:29:24] <_methods> lol
[18:29:39] <_methods> just don't be a weldurrrrr
[18:29:48] <Frank__4> they made the movie a little bit shorter, with less complexity to keep it under the 2hs or something like that
[18:29:50] <_methods> or as we call them at work 'durrs
[18:29:58] <PetefromTn_> I'm kinda somewhere between a Tig welder and a machinist but....eh NOT
[18:30:12] <Frank__4> i've been watching EVery Elon Musk video on youtube these days..
[18:30:24] <PetefromTn_> that guy is AMAZING
[18:30:45] <_methods> if software "engineers" were serious about testing their software
[18:30:56] <_methods> they'd get weldurrs to be the guinea pigs
[18:30:59] <PetefromTn_> I know some folks think hes nutz but he is like my hero LOL
[18:31:03] <_methods> if they can use it anyone can use it
[18:31:13] <PetefromTn_> I guess I resemble that
[18:31:22] <DaViruz> he IS nuts, but in a good way
[18:31:25] <Frank__4> why would they think that?
[18:31:26] <PetefromTn_> I mean shit I still don't have a working toolchanger
[18:31:32] <_methods> welder tested old people approved
[18:31:41] <_methods> hahahah
[18:31:42] <Frank__4> well yeah exactly as daviruz said it
[18:32:05] <PetefromTn_> personally I salute anyone who has the balls to put his money where his mouth is and do things others said cannot be done...
[18:32:12] <_methods> yeah
[18:32:25] <_methods> i love how they're not giving up on landing that thing on a boat
[18:32:34] <_methods> i have no idea why they want to land on a boat
[18:32:40] <_methods> but hey more power to ya
[18:32:59] <PetefromTn_> I can think of very few people in recent history that have this kind of creativity and ingenuity that were able to actually DO what they said they would...
[18:33:09] <_methods> or should i say whatever floats your boat lol
[18:33:10] <PetefromTn_> well its about money really
[18:33:11] <DaViruz> if the navy can land their silly little planes on a boat, we sure as hell will too!
[18:34:04] <PetefromTn_> it has to do with the amount of fuel they have to load into the rockets to attain orbit and from where they can launch which greatly impacts launch costs apparently
[18:34:08] <Frank__4> i understand he landed a first stage rocket on the sea right?
[18:34:30] <PetefromTn_> they have done it on land
[18:34:34] <_methods> damn now this is a hammock
[18:34:36] <_methods> http://www.campsaver.com/treble-hammock
[18:34:40] <PetefromTn_> but so far not on the sea
[18:34:50] <andypugh> Musk reminds me of a modern-day Howard Hughes
[18:35:03] <DaViruz> thats a sail
[18:35:03] <PetefromTn_> That is EXACTLY how I see him
[18:35:29] <_methods> i wouldn't mind gettin in a hammock like that
[18:35:30] <Frank__4> what about iron man : D
[18:35:34] <PetefromTn_> people think hes nutz but he is really quite visionary...
[18:35:40] <_methods> iron man?
[18:35:47] <_methods> he's definitely nuts
[18:35:54] <PetefromTn_> I would love to work for him
[18:36:51] <Frank__4> i would prefer if he adopted me
[18:36:59] <Frank__4> just because,
[18:37:02] <PetefromTn_> hehe that would work too
[18:37:05] <DaViruz> inheritance!
[18:37:27] <PetefromTn_> if he don't nail that boat landing there may not be any inheritance LOL
[18:37:42] <_methods> hahaha
[18:37:49] <Frank__4> hes kind like a hero ? or is it just me hehe
[18:37:54] <Frank__4> hahahaha
[18:38:29] <andypugh> I am insanely jealous of Musk’s talent and wealth.
[18:38:40] <PetefromTn_> heh who isn't
[18:38:42] <Frank__4> even the way he speaks
[18:38:43] <Frank__4> lol
[18:38:54] <Frank__4> getting on the crazy side here..
[18:39:03] <PetefromTn_> I have watched several of those videos on him and interviews.
[18:39:17] <andypugh> I wonder how big a drill my Z-axis servo can push?
[18:39:34] <PetefromTn_> he has a way of coming across like he can do what he says no matter how insane it might seem LOL
[18:40:25] <Frank__4> pete by any chance do you own a cnc router?
[18:41:16] <PetefromTn_> nope CNC mill
[18:41:53] <Frank__4> andypugh: not that i would know, but whats the power on your servo motor, and how much does it weight? i am starting the design of my z axis, and i have a 1kw servo motor
[18:42:13] <andypugh> Mine is 1kW too.
[18:42:22] <andypugh> And it’s a big one.
[18:43:25] <andypugh> Not the best photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6235326855443990946
[18:44:39] <Frank__4> wired, maybe its just proportions, but it seems mine is 2x smaller
[18:44:43] <Frank__4> 3nm 1kw 3000rpm
[18:45:14] <Frank__4> and for a router, not a lathe. thanks anyway
[18:46:33] <andypugh> Mine is seriously big for the capacity.
[18:47:58] <andypugh> This is the 1kW Z servo and the 800W X servo. Quite a size difference. https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6227187254470552882
[18:48:43] <_methods> ahh you got that swiss tool post
[18:48:45] <_methods> you like that thing
[18:48:49] <_methods> i almost got one
[18:49:21] <_methods> then i just got a normal aloris style
[18:49:38] <Frank__4> mine 1kw servo looks more like your 800w servo, just a tad larger
[18:49:51] <Tom_itx> whassup _methods?
[18:50:21] <_methods> nothing?
[18:50:28] <_methods> what'd i do?
[18:50:46] <Tom_itx> just asking
[18:50:49] <_methods> oh lol
[18:50:51] <_methods> hahah
[18:50:53] <_methods> doing good
[18:51:04] <Tom_itx> never did find that 10 update thing
[18:51:12] <_methods> to shut it off?
[18:51:21] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:51:30] <andypugh> The big one is rated 5Nm continuous / 10.6 Nm peak, I think that’s why it’s big for the power
[18:51:41] <_methods> damn
[18:51:57] <andypugh> _methods: Out of interest, how much is an Aloris set?
[18:52:06] <_methods> i bought a cheap one
[18:52:11] <_methods> but a real one is very expensive
[18:52:18] <_methods> is that a bxa post?
[18:52:21] <_methods> or cxa?
[18:52:47] <_methods> $500 for a new aloris bxa typically
[18:52:51] <andypugh> I found the Multifix clone for $240 with 4 holders: http://www.createtool.com/list.asp?cid=33
[18:53:08] <_methods> ok i might get one to try out
[18:53:22] <PetefromTn_> the Dorian and Aloris Name brand larger units are quite expensive
[18:53:45] <_methods> i was worried i'd have a hard time finding tool holders for it
[18:53:52] <Frank__4> mine is 3.2 continuos and 9.5 peak, but i would think that peaking it twice and its toasted haha
[18:53:53] <_methods> so i just stuck with aloris clone
[18:54:02] <_methods> much easier to find aloris style here in the US
[18:54:07] <Jymmm> _methods: You're a tool, so hold it!
[18:54:12] <_methods> hahah
[18:54:18] <_methods> oh there goes the neighborhood
[18:54:36] <PetefromTn_> Hey It's Barney!
[18:54:40] <_methods> hahahahhaha
[18:54:48] <_methods> i love you, you love me
[18:54:52] <Frank__4> how do you couple it to the ballscrew to eliminate the backslash? spring coupler right?
[18:55:01] <andypugh> The wedge-Aloris looks pretty good. The piston-Aloris looks wrong on so many levels…
[18:55:10] <_methods> yeah i have wedge style
[18:55:25] <_methods> i hear the piston ones are BAD
[18:55:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah gotta get the wedgie
[18:56:03] <andypugh> Frank__4: Me? I am trying something a little crazy. http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Holbrook05%20The%20Z-axis%20Drive
[18:56:09] <_methods> i see bxa and cxa all day at auctions but my little lathe uses axa
[18:56:12] <_methods> so no deals for me
[18:56:22] <_methods> i had to buy a new one
[18:56:44] <andypugh> Frank__4: pics 11 onwards
[18:57:10] <Frank__4> im checking everything :D
[18:58:25] <malcom2073> andypugh: Is that the thing, where you said if it lost servo, it'd error out and go to home?
[18:58:30] <malcom2073> with the tool inside the part?
[18:58:55] <andypugh> Well, it wouldn’t go home, but the knee would drop
[18:59:07] <malcom2073> That'd be bad too heh
[19:02:09] <Frank__4> so its like you changed from a belt drive to a chain (strong one clearly) drive?
[19:03:57] <andypugh> It’s an experiment :-)
[19:06:13] <Frank__4> nice, i make those silly questions because im a newbie at this stuff, not that i am criticising or anything alike
[19:06:48] <andypugh> I am making this stuff up as I go along too. I am not a proper engineer, you know.
[19:06:54] <PetefromTn_> that is gonna be a kickass lathe man
[19:07:34] <Frank__4> just like elon
[19:07:36] <Frank__4> hehe
[19:07:49] <andypugh> It needs a bed regrind, which is a bit of a disappointment.
[19:07:57] <_methods> what's archivist's website url?
[19:08:13] <PetefromTn_> really? How did you determine that?
[19:08:39] <andypugh> _methods: www.archivist.info
[19:08:44] <_methods> thank you
[19:09:15] <_methods> lol it just says it works
[19:09:21] <_methods> guess i'll try index
[19:10:00] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: When I got it the saddle gib was missing. I made a new one, and it is clear that the gib needs to be 1/2” further in near the chuck than near the tailstock
[19:10:23] <andypugh> _methods: Wierd, I get a web site.
[19:11:55] <_methods> yeah i got it
[19:12:02] <_methods> needed a / after .info
[19:12:59] <_methods> hahah he's a nut
[19:13:10] <PetefromTn_> 1/2 inch!!!
[19:13:12] <_methods> he has his stuff broken down by dewey decimal system
[19:13:26] <_methods> AND ISBN
[19:13:36] <_methods> archivist is credit to team
[19:15:02] <Jymmm> or needs to GET A LIFE, one of the two ;)
[19:16:14] <_methods> heheh
[19:18:17] <andypugh> I am looking at his British Transistor collection. :-)
[19:18:30] <Jymmm> andypugh: is it metric?
[19:28:44] <andypugh> Actually, it was a link I followed. Archivist is not quite mad enough to collect 1950s transistors, it seems.
[19:29:33] <_methods> i was hoping he had a good pdf of the manual for my horizontal
[19:29:36] <_methods> but no such luck
[19:31:24] <andypugh> Horizontal?
[19:32:07] <_methods> yeah i scored a brown and sharpe
[19:32:15] <_methods> #2 universal horizontal for $100
[19:33:20] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dmsigmymj9infk8/2016-02-08%2009.00.22.jpg?dl=0
[19:33:38] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/li9w3payf5iydhd/2016-02-08%2009.02.51.jpg?dl=0
[19:34:01] <_methods> banksy drew on it too
[19:34:03] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6plzpn7uk91wqt1/2016-02-08%2009.00.31.jpg?dl=0
[19:34:58] <Jymmm> Why is this taking so long, I only have the cpu and all it's cores maxed at 100%
[19:35:59] <andypugh> _methods: Not cheap, but https://store.lathes.co.uk/print/mb664b
[19:36:33] <_methods> yeah i found it on ebay for $40
[19:36:39] <_methods> a clean copy
[19:37:01] <bobo___> methods have you looked at "VintageMachinery.org" for your Brown&Sharpe manual ?
[19:37:01] <_methods> but i was trying to exhaust all other avenues first, because i'm a cheap bastard
[19:37:10] <_methods> no i haven't
[19:37:16] <andypugh> I like to help fund lathes.co.uk It is, after all, the best web site on the whole internet.
[19:37:20] <Jymmm> s/cheap//
[19:38:22] <Jymmm> andypugh: you dont even own the domain?
[19:38:31] <_methods> ahh i have searched there
[19:38:50] <andypugh> Have you seen it? I have actually read all of it. (took a long time)
[19:38:51] <_methods> yeah that lathes.uk guy is awesome
[19:39:36] <_methods> vintage machinery has the same bad copy i've found elsewhere on the 'netz
[19:40:23] <jdh> I forgot to go out there looking for rejects
[19:40:23] <bobo___> bummer
[19:41:48] <_methods> jdh: i'm sure there are still people getting stuff
[19:42:03] <_methods> they had a lot of stuff still left there on friday
[19:42:17] <andypugh> Night all
[19:42:23] <jdh> this having to work thing gets really old
[19:42:38] <_methods> ya
[19:42:44] <_methods> it's a real drag
[19:43:26] <_methods> i was just lucky i got to combine work and pleasure lol
[19:43:54] <_methods> kinda convenient being the guy that buys new used stuff for the shop
[19:44:09] <bobo___> methods your B&S mill has a swival table . which I think is really great
[19:44:26] <_methods> yea
[19:44:41] <_methods> the thing was made for cutting worm gears
[19:44:54] <_methods> i'm trying to find the attachment for cutting them
[19:45:09] <_methods> it links the table feed to the spindle
[19:45:21] <_methods> and the rotary indexer
[19:45:42] <_methods> the universal spiral indexer
[19:47:44] <_methods> apparently they're hard to find
[19:48:02] <bobo___> methods I think in todays world it would be better to make a CNC add on indexing. heck with coming up with all the gearrs
[19:49:04] <_methods> sure that would be easy
[19:49:14] <bobo___> no not CNC the mill ,just a add on
[19:49:38] <_methods> yeah it's more about the machine than making the worm gears for me
[19:49:45] <_methods> i'd like to have the attachment
[19:50:13] <bobo___> so would many others
[19:50:43] <_methods> one day i'll find one
[19:50:44] <_methods> heheh
[19:50:50] <_methods> i have the rest of my life
[19:54:11] <bobo___> a vertical head could be more usefull . get andy to make the castings
[19:56:53] <bobo___> methods what is the spindle taper on your B&S ?
[19:56:59] <_methods> 40 nmtb
[19:57:18] <_methods> vertical mills are for n00bs
[19:57:24] <_methods> real men use horizontals
[19:59:08] <bobo___> 40 nmtb is good ,none of the morse taper madness
[19:59:22] <_methods> nmtb is great
[19:59:32] <_methods> the tooling is dirt cheap
[19:59:36] <_methods> no one uses it anymore
[20:00:02] <Jymmm> _methods: is there a reason for that?
[20:00:17] <_methods> everyone went to cat
[20:00:22] <_methods> or hsk
[20:00:34] <_methods> all the newer style tapers
[20:01:44] <Jymmm> ah
[20:03:08] <_methods> machines moved to pullstuds
[20:04:04] <_methods> retention knobs
[20:04:14] <bobo___> and tool changers . except Pete
[20:05:05] <_methods> hahah
[20:20:44] <t12> https://41.media.tumblr.com/35e1691691ec9b9bd5e348940144fa78/tumblr_o1v8ffKy9m1s9jvclo1_540.jpg
[20:20:53] <zeeshan> :)
[20:21:10] <PetefromTn_> Hehehehe Yuk it up fuzzballs!!
[20:21:55] <_methods> aliens
[20:28:35] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you finish your warped saucer yet?
[20:28:43] <zeeshan> nah
[20:28:44] <zeeshan> :P
[20:28:52] <Tom_itx> i finished the book today
[20:29:25] <zeeshan> which one
[20:29:38] <Tom_itx> the course material
[20:29:41] <zeeshan> nice
[20:30:13] <Tom_itx> i'll probably start some of those extra drawings he gave me
[20:34:43] <os1r1s> Evening all
[20:36:44] * zeeshan is ripping the subaru tech website
[20:36:50] <zeeshan> subscription cost $35 for 3 days
[20:36:59] <zeeshan> you can only download 50 files per hour
[20:37:05] * zeeshan wrote quick bash script :D
[20:37:28] <zeeshan> nothin illegal about it! :P
[20:38:44] <roycroft> going to great pains to proclaim the legality of something usually indicates a degree of ethical certainty :)
[20:38:53] <roycroft> uncertainty, rather
[20:39:00] <zeeshan> i paid money for it
[20:39:05] <zeeshan> and they limit you to 50 files per hour
[20:39:09] <zeeshan> so guess what as long as you maintain that
[20:39:10] <zeeshan> youre ok
[20:39:21] <zeeshan> and its for my own use, not giving it to others :P
[20:39:36] <roycroft> i'm not challenging you, actually
[20:39:44] <zeeshan> it sounded like it !:P
[20:39:49] <roycroft> i'm just pointing out a longstanding observation
[20:40:35] <Tom_itx> webwhacker will grab the whole site
[20:40:45] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i couldnt find something to schedule it
[20:41:14] <zeeshan> its a for loop that has a sleep for 75 seconds
[20:41:19] <zeeshan> downloads everythin
[20:41:27] <zeeshan> W9008BEAll_7
[20:41:30] <zeeshan> they call their files like that
[20:41:33] <zeeshan> thje last number increments
[20:41:52] <Tom_itx> what are you gonna do with em all?
[20:41:58] <zeeshan> its only for my car
[20:42:01] <zeeshan> im rebuilding the engine
[20:42:02] <zeeshan> need al lthe specs
[20:42:18] <zeeshan> before this i only had a partial manual
[20:42:36] <Tom_itx> just tighten everything to the point just before it breaks
[20:43:08] <Tom_itx> use a ss ruler edge to gap the rings
[20:43:37] <Tom_itx> spark plugs too for that matter
[20:44:23] <Tom_itx> is yours opposing cylinders?
[20:44:29] <Tom_itx> 'pancake' motor
[20:44:43] <CaptHindsight> unlimited means limited, closed means open, so 50/hr must mean?
[20:45:13] <CaptHindsight> whatever they decided but lied about
[20:45:34] <roycroft> actually, what you're doing indicates more to me that subaru need to reevaluate their online documentation program
[20:46:02] <roycroft> if you feel compelled to suck down as much information as fast as you can from their website, then access to their website on an ongoing basis is probably too expensive
[20:46:02] <zeeshan> they can reevaluate after im done
[20:46:03] <zeeshan> tom yes
[20:46:09] <gregcnc> they're still putting airplane engines into subarus
[20:46:30] <Tom_itx> so just tell em to send you the 3600 files on a dvd
[20:46:39] <zeeshan> it costs a lot more :P
[20:46:44] <zeeshan> like 600$ more
[20:46:53] <gregcnc> for a service manual?
[20:46:55] <zeeshan> yes
[20:47:00] <gregcnc> why
[20:47:04] <zeeshan> shrug
[20:47:04] <Tom_itx> i bet half those days it's down for maintenance
[20:47:06] <zeeshan> retarded
[20:47:10] <roycroft> the only problem with what you're doing, zeeshan, is that they haven't put their full future documentation online yet
[20:47:20] <zeeshan> roycroft: its a 2010..
[20:47:29] <CaptHindsight> would you like some gum? Yes, thank you.
[20:48:00] <zeeshan> my mitsu manual didnt have this "General description" esction
[20:48:03] <zeeshan> i really like the subie manual for this
[20:48:09] <zeeshan> shit even the gm ls1/lq9 manual doesnt have
[20:48:20] <Tom_itx> last new vehicle i got, i ordered the manuals for it
[20:49:21] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Le1PrTI.png
[20:49:31] <zeeshan> they go thru the hassle of drawing a cross sectio nof an o2 sensor
[20:49:31] <zeeshan> lol
[20:49:49] <Tom_itx> you might need to know that
[20:50:27] <gregcnc> that's why it costs 600$
[20:50:32] <gregcnc> needless info
[20:50:39] <zeeshan> its really proper
[20:51:39] <zeeshan> still upsets me
[20:51:45] <zeeshan> that im rebuilding the engine after 35000 miles.
[20:51:48] <zeeshan> o well
[20:51:54] <zeeshan> it was a fun 35,000 miles
[20:52:07] <Tom_itx> what exactly failed?
[20:52:07] <gregcnc> when did the warranty expire?
[20:52:15] <zeeshan> 4 months before engine blew up
[20:52:20] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: the piston ringland cracked
[20:52:25] <gregcnc> should have thrashed it harder
[20:52:29] <_methods> warranties always expire 1 day before something fails lol
[20:52:44] <Tom_itx> zeeshan is there a ridge on the cylinder wall?
[20:52:48] <zeeshan> no
[20:53:00] <zeeshan> i could hone it and put a new piston in
[20:53:03] <zeeshan> but i dont wanna mess around
[20:53:14] <Tom_itx> ma as well beef it up now... put a turbo on it etc
[20:53:16] <zeeshan> i dont have a lot of free time
[20:53:19] <zeeshan> it has a turbo
[20:53:33] <zeeshan> but im putting forged pistons and itll make 350whp
[20:53:36] <gregcnc> stock rebuild? Or are you going to make sure it fails before 35k this time?
[20:53:39] <zeeshan> instead of the factory 240whp
[20:53:50] <gregcnc> so 24k give or take?
[20:53:53] <zeeshan> gregcnc: just forged pistons with bigger ringlands
[20:53:59] <Tom_itx> you shold have made a set on your new lathe
[20:54:10] <zeeshan> wouldnt be as strong as forged
[20:54:13] <zeeshan> getting the forgings is hard
[20:54:27] <zeeshan> for 600 bux
[20:54:30] <zeeshan> its not worth making myself :P
[20:54:38] <Jymmm> _methods: Heh, that's why I had a bunch of stuff replaced under warranty this week =)
[20:54:45] <gregcnc> just piston will add 100HP?
[20:54:52] <zeeshan> no
[20:54:55] <zeeshan> increasing the boost too
[20:55:01] <_methods> heheh make sure it fails before warranty is up
[20:55:11] <zeeshan> i honestly had a lot more fun in the subaru wrx
[20:55:13] <zeeshan> than my rx7
[20:55:18] <zeeshan> the rx7 is wayyyyyyyyy faster
[20:55:30] <zeeshan> but the subaru is wayyyyyyyy comfy and fun in daily conditions
[20:55:33] <zeeshan> rain, snow, whatever doesnt matter
[20:55:52] <Jymmm> _methods: They did it on their own... shower head threads cracked and trackball being funky
[20:55:57] <_methods> you could let one of these new age engineers help you work on it too that will make sure it fails as soon as possible
[20:56:06] <gregcnc> are you going to port the heads with your dremel?
[20:56:11] <zeeshan> ?!?
[20:56:29] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oJYD5Tl.jpg
[20:56:30] <zeeshan> :D
[20:56:54] <zeeshan> sums subaru up thru a picture
[20:57:59] <gregcnc> but it's guts are all over the floor of the garage now
[20:58:19] <zeeshan> don't buy a subaru!
[20:58:22] <gregcnc> is that type of failure common?
[20:58:23] <zeeshan> unless you change the pistons!
[20:58:26] <zeeshan> very common
[20:58:34] <zeeshan> theres about 500+ cars listed in different threads
[20:58:35] <Tom_itx> or drive it like a granny
[20:58:45] <gregcnc> wow
[20:58:45] <zeeshan> one guys car blew up 400 miles after he got it.
[20:58:56] <zeeshan> all turbo models only
[20:59:13] <zeeshan> the factory map is too lean underboost
[20:59:14] <Tom_itx> too much boost
[20:59:18] <zeeshan> that is one factor
[20:59:28] <zeeshan> so people richen it up with an aftermarket tune
[20:59:31] <zeeshan> and guess what
[20:59:35] <zeeshan> the engine still blows
[20:59:45] <_methods> you can't fix stupid
[20:59:45] <zeeshan> most enigne builders have come to the conclusion the piston ring lands are small
[21:00:09] <zeeshan> cars that arent detonating will still catastrophically break a ringland
[21:00:18] <zeeshan> forged pistons fixes the problem
[21:00:23] <Tom_itx> top one?
[21:00:26] <zeeshan> yes
[21:00:55] <zeeshan> whem mine is completeply apart ill take pics
[21:01:02] <zeeshan> heres some subies with blown ringlands
[21:01:07] <zeeshan> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQOAgwQtBHmIiiePG7a-J_X6LmO2TJp7d5owqOEwZVNeVQLUcONQ
[21:01:18] <zeeshan> http://i0.wp.com/64.91.237.127/~texas1911/wp-content/uploads/fracture.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=600%2C401
[21:01:35] <zeeshan> http://i42.tinypic.com/35i1xcz.jpg
[21:01:35] <zeeshan> :)
[21:02:26] <gregcnc> there is little material there.
[21:02:27] <Tom_itx> i wonder if they all fail at the cylinder support rib shown in the last pic
[21:02:34] <tbzshee> zlog
[21:02:37] <zeeshan> yes greg
[21:02:52] <gregcnc> http://www.vikingspeedshop.com/wp-content/uploads/ringlandfailurelogo1.jpg not this one
[21:02:52] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/JPFqgzx.jpg
[21:03:04] <zeeshan> this is what a mahle forged piston looks like
[21:03:11] <zeeshan> look at the shear size diff of the top ringland.
[21:03:15] <CaptHindsight> Sync: it's a question designed to fool you. The correct answer is apply both the front and back brake but the other choices are: Front only, back only, and something like coast through the turn.
[21:03:29] <zeeshan> gregcnc: that one took out both
[21:03:30] <zeeshan> lol
[21:03:50] <gregcnc> oh it is cracked on top
[21:03:57] <zeeshan> usually top one goes
[21:04:01] <zeeshan> but if the person was running serious boost
[21:04:07] <zeeshan> the second one will go too
[21:04:36] <Tom_itx> have they corrected the problem?
[21:04:38] <zeeshan> now subaru isn't retarded
[21:04:45] <zeeshan> tell me why you think they madfe the ringland smaller?
[21:04:56] <zeeshan> its actually smart why they did it.
[21:05:04] <zeeshan> but they weakened the piston in doing so, which is not so smart
[21:05:35] <zeeshan> the gap between the piston and the wall anove the first ring
[21:05:41] <zeeshan> is a region where fuel just sits and doesn't combust
[21:05:50] <gregcnc> crevice area
[21:05:50] <zeeshan> so you always spit out unburned hc from it
[21:05:51] <zeeshan> yes
[21:05:58] <zeeshan> so they tried to decrease it for emissions
[21:06:05] <gregcnc> alsmot oall have
[21:06:13] <zeeshan> it woulda been OKAY
[21:06:18] <zeeshan> if it were flat top pistons
[21:06:19] <zeeshan> not domed!
[21:06:29] <gregcnc> dished?
[21:06:34] <zeeshan> sorry dished
[21:06:44] <gregcnc> with valve reliefs no less
[21:06:47] <zeeshan> yes
[21:07:17] <gregcnc> combustion chamber design is a lot of compromise
[21:07:18] <zeeshan> ive never built a subaru engine before
[21:07:27] <zeeshan> but ive built v8 and mitsu engines before a lot of them
[21:07:29] <Tom_itx> i think i did one
[21:07:31] <zeeshan> i hope this isn't much different
[21:07:39] <zeeshan> removing the pistons is annoying
[21:07:43] <Tom_itx> done lots of old vw's
[21:07:44] <zeeshan> gregcnc: yes
[21:07:53] <Tom_itx> in and out in a day is a true statement
[21:08:04] <zeeshan> vw motors are flat motors?
[21:08:08] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:08:22] <Tom_itx> so are portches
[21:08:31] <zeeshan> never worked on em
[21:08:40] <zeeshan> seriously ive been considering other cars for a long time
[21:08:41] <gregcnc> lycoming and continental
[21:08:43] <zeeshan> and i keep coming back to subaru
[21:08:47] <zeeshan> it is the best car for me..
[21:08:48] <Tom_itx> the 912 was actually a nice engine and fit right in the vw
[21:09:00] <zeeshan> heated seats, heated mirrors, heated windhsield blah blah
[21:09:04] <zeeshan> luxurious to me..
[21:09:05] <Tom_itx> only drawback was the brakes wouldn't handle it
[21:09:09] <roycroft> the 912 engine is the same engine as the vw type iv
[21:09:12] <zeeshan> but the thing other cars don't even come close to
[21:09:13] <roycroft> built to tighter tolerances
[21:09:15] <zeeshan> is symmetric awd..
[21:09:22] <zeeshan> its perfect
[21:09:41] <gregcnc> the awd would be nice, is that reliable?
[21:09:46] <zeeshan> very reliable
[21:09:55] <zeeshan> they had problems in the early 2000s when people blowing transmisisons
[21:09:58] <zeeshan> now theyre bullet proof
[21:10:29] <zeeshan> (at 1.5x stock torque levels)
[21:11:09] <zeeshan> i was driving a 4runner for a test drive
[21:11:19] <zeeshan> since it's not symmetric full time 4wd (it cant be)
[21:11:27] <zeeshan> it had noticeable torque ster
[21:11:28] <zeeshan> *steer
[21:12:06] <zeeshan> i'm not sure what the audi quattro has
[21:12:09] <zeeshan> i dont notice torque steer in it
[21:12:46] <tbzshee> i wonder what quattro means
[21:13:18] <CaptHindsight> 4 blade razor :)
[21:13:20] <gregcnc> hmm didn't audi start awd.....
[21:13:28] <tbzshee> maybe 4?
[21:13:30] <tbzshee> lol
[21:14:06] <zeeshan> fak i must be getting old
[21:14:12] <zeeshan> i admitted power isnt everything
[21:14:13] <zeeshan> :(
[21:20:19] <gregcnc> what kind of 24V stuff should I be thinking about in a machine? mostly signals and sensors, maybe energize a few relays? 50W should be plenty, maybe even just 25W?
[21:20:33] <zeeshan> moar
[21:21:48] <gregcnc> I have to check what the air valves need.
[21:21:58] <zeeshan> 7W usually
[21:22:07] <zeeshan> unless theyre some big honkin solenoids
[21:27:44] <gregcnc> these are pretty small, probably less than 2W each.
[21:28:16] <os1r1s> I'm brain dead tonight
[21:28:31] <os1r1s> Ignore ...
[21:32:15] <Tom_itx> i should dig out SW and see how awkward it feels now
[21:37:48] <zeeshan> lol tom
[21:39:48] <Tom_itx> does sw have coincident as a constraint? i forget...
[21:40:50] <zeeshan> ya
[22:20:27] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DehW94gLRKM
[22:20:29] <zeeshan> all i gotta say is
[22:20:30] <zeeshan> holy shit
[22:20:36] <zeeshan> thats real time!
[22:20:44] <zeeshan> that stream of chips..
[22:20:46] <zeeshan> jesus
[22:36:06] <PetefromTn_> damn
[22:36:33] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: whats the top speed of your spindle?
[22:36:51] <zeeshan> 3150
[22:37:11] <zeeshan> next time im machining im going to try masive axial doc
[22:37:22] <zeeshan> but small radial doc and increase the speeds
[22:37:29] <zeeshan> looks like something fun to try
[22:37:50] <PetefromTn_> makes my best efforts on the Cinci in aluminum look positively laughable
[22:46:00] <zeeshan> i really need a faster spindle
[22:46:01] <zeeshan> =/
[22:47:57] <PetefromTn_> I know right that looked like at least 15k on that one
[22:49:16] <zeeshan> i have another video
[22:49:18] <zeeshan> its at 10000 rpm
[22:49:22] <zeeshan> youre not too far from it :P
[22:50:33] <zeeshan> using a 3/8 end mill, .75" doc, 6000 RPM, carbide end mill, .038 width of cut
[22:50:34] <Tom_itx> those are built for soft metals though
[22:50:45] <zeeshan> you could feed at 160 IPM
[22:50:52] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: what is
[22:51:03] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DehW94gLRKM
[22:51:04] <Tom_itx> that
[22:51:12] <zeeshan> nah
[22:51:17] <zeeshan> thers lots of videos them doing tool steel
[22:51:33] <PetefromTn_> thats kinda what I run on the rails I make 3/8 em 5500 RPM and full depth but narrow woc
[22:51:48] <zeeshan> at 160IPM?
[22:51:49] <PetefromTn_> I don't run that fast tho
[22:51:52] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[22:51:53] <zeeshan> how fast
[22:52:00] <PetefromTn_> no like 60 or 80
[22:52:28] <zeeshan> thats the feed i need to run with my spidle :P
[22:52:30] <PetefromTn_> I have been trying to increase my productivity on the rails but I honestly don't make enough of them to really worry about it
[22:52:32] <zeeshan> my lousy 3100 RPM :{
[22:52:44] <PetefromTn_> with a 3 flute?
[22:52:47] <zeeshan> yes
[22:52:49] <Tom_itx> my sherline does 5k :D
[22:52:59] <zeeshan> pete its reall ynot an aggressive cut
[22:53:04] <zeeshan> with my machine thats only 84lb of cuttingf orce
[22:53:05] <zeeshan> thats nothing
[22:53:06] <PetefromTn_> Oh I realize that
[22:53:17] <zeeshan> it doesnt even deflect the cutter by 5 tenths or something like that
[22:53:19] <PetefromTn_> I don't try to run the shit out of my machine
[22:53:28] <zeeshan> why not
[22:53:32] <zeeshan> youre not hurting it
[22:53:35] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to get things going faster tho
[22:53:38] <zeeshan> the cutting force is low
[22:53:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:54:06] <PetefromTn_> aluminum is pretty damn soft after all
[22:54:07] <zeeshan> i really wanna tune my stuff as best as possible cause i only have 3 hours after work to get jobs done
[22:54:11] <zeeshan> if i cant get em done, it means i cant do em
[22:55:22] <PetefromTn_> If I had a part that required a lot more of them I would definitely work on it.... but the rails while they do fine and I sell a bunch of them is not anything of any real substantial numbers unfortunately
[22:55:24] <Tom_itx> wonder what size collets that thing takes
[22:55:32] <Tom_itx> they look small
[22:56:30] <zeeshan> i cant tell
[22:56:37] <zeeshan> it does come with hsk or cat spindles
[22:57:22] <PetefromTn_> I can't complain really tho for what I have invested in the Cinci it does really well. If I ever get the toolchanger working and get some more work for it should be sweet
[22:57:58] <zeeshan> i shouldnt complain either :P
[22:58:18] <zeeshan> the mikron has paid for itself after the first job
[22:58:29] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell yeah
[22:58:31] <zeeshan> i might get rid of it
[22:58:39] <zeeshan> i absolutely need an atc
[22:59:28] <PetefromTn_> I really need a CNC lathe ;)
[23:00:01] <zeeshan> me too!!!!!!!!1
[23:00:11] <zeeshan> i think im 2 months from touching it
[23:00:14] <zeeshan> getting closer :)!
[23:00:29] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[23:00:51] <zeeshan> have you worked on yours?
[23:00:54] <PetefromTn_> I am probably at LEAST 3 months from being able to touch mine after this move and that is if everything goes perfect
[23:01:00] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell yeah
[23:01:20] <zeeshan> after the move?!
[23:01:22] <PetefromTn_> It is painted and the enclosure is completely cleaned of all the old stuff
[23:01:25] <zeeshan> won't you be busy preping the new house?
[23:01:35] <zeeshan> moving is painful!
[23:01:39] <zeeshan> nice
[23:01:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah man
[23:01:52] <PetefromTn_> depends on what house we buy
[23:02:04] <PetefromTn_> I am quite sure I will be working on at least some things
[23:02:18] <PetefromTn_> but I gotta make money too so I need to get the damn lathe working
[23:09:33] <PetefromTn_> man I just turned off the machine and looked outside...we got a good bit of snow!
[23:09:44] <zeeshan> hehe
[23:09:50] <zeeshan> we have tons up here
[23:09:55] <PetefromTn_> I am sure....
[23:10:00] <zeeshan> no more in fl=]
[23:10:02] <PetefromTn_> you can keep it
[23:10:23] <PetefromTn_> I honestly don't mind the snow it is all that cold that comes along with it ;)
[23:15:00] <PetefromTn_> http://cbs12.com/news/local/right-whale-and-calf-trapped-in-sebastian-inlet Pretty cool in Sebastian Inlet Florida
[23:17:09] <zeeshan> big fish
[23:17:25] <PetefromTn_> HUGE
[23:18:08] <PetefromTn_> I've seen all sorts of big fish and even porpoise and Pilot whales in florida but I never saw anything like that before. Oh and lots of manatees