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[00:57:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'm wondering what the open pack of watermelon flavored bubblicious is used for in that project?
[01:28:04] <archivist> zeeshan|2, for a wide rpm range and low down torque you need to vary the current in the field of a basic shunt motor
[01:30:45] <archivist> it is why series motors run fast by default, back emf reduces the current as it spins faster thus reducing the output torque with rpm, reducing the field current allows it to get to a higher rpm
[01:34:10] <Jymmm> Interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fI9aFUGtzU8#t=17
[01:48:03] <Jymmm> Good to know... "Avoid drilling or machining neodymium magnets. When ground into a dust or powder, this material is highly flammable."
[01:48:39] <XXCoder> use coolant. lots of it
[01:48:54] <Jymmm> heh
[01:49:23] <XXCoder> fiberglass parts at company i work at use a LOT of coolant to keep dust down
[01:49:28] <XXCoder> otherwise its itchy time
[01:49:40] <XXCoder> fiberglass powder is what they make itchy powder from.
[01:49:43] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I'll be sure to right after I finish this magnesium toothpick
[01:52:28] <XXCoder> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/fuckthispart.jpg
[01:52:49] <XXCoder> seriously. fuck that part.
[01:52:57] <XXCoder> nobody likes it.
[01:53:07] <Jymmm> 3d printed?
[01:53:12] <XXCoder> I wish
[01:53:39] <Jymmm> you take that photo?
[01:53:41] <XXCoder> no its fiberglass. I can show picture because its from public face
[01:53:48] <XXCoder> aka company website
[01:53:52] <Jymmm> ah
[01:54:13] <XXCoder> its made from big block of fiberglass
[01:54:41] <XXCoder> the "layered" look is due to how fiberglass block is made
[01:54:53] <Jymmm> ah
[01:55:57] <Deejay> moin
[01:56:07] <XXCoder> hey
[01:56:21] <Jymmm> Deejay: yo
[01:57:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder: It's called mold injected resin, not machine a block of fiberglass
[01:58:01] <XXCoder> uh
[01:58:07] <XXCoder> I made some of em yeserday
[01:58:12] <XXCoder> I know how its made.
[01:58:26] <Jymmm> no, I maen thats how it should be made
[01:58:37] <Jymmm> it be perfect for mold injection.
[01:58:38] <XXCoder> oh it must be fiberglass unfortunately
[01:58:42] <XXCoder> indeed!
[01:58:48] <Jymmm> why?
[01:58:57] <Jymmm> fiberglass = glass + resin
[01:59:06] <XXCoder> as it is, I wish some of it was made in a lathe - it requires +- .001 on one aspect
[01:59:19] <Jymmm> glass impregnated nylon is used all the time on mold injection.
[02:00:50] <XXCoder> interesting. dunno maybe the layered thing is a requirement too
[02:01:40] <Jymmm> *shrug*
[02:11:39] <Jymmm> That thing is a $3000 KIT and does NOT include the super caps or magnets
[02:11:49] <Jymmm> yeow
[02:12:23] <XXCoder> logo looks like fallen power button.
[02:12:34] <XXCoder> lol overunity
[02:13:05] <XXCoder> also, camera on springs :P
[02:14:21] <XXCoder> Jymmm: it says self-charging
[02:14:49] <XXCoder> I might have gotten wrong impression from title
[02:14:50] <Jymmm> XXCoder: He begind by saying is is NOT a perpetual motion device.
[02:14:56] <XXCoder> what is it actually for
[02:15:44] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://quantamagnetics.com/
[02:16:21] <XXCoder> bad case of "white virus
[02:16:37] <XXCoder> light gray text on white. good thing I use this magic script to fix that.
[02:16:55] <XXCoder> wha it didnt work?
[02:17:00] <XXCoder> first time it didnt work
[02:17:19] <Jymmm> <frameset rows="100%,*" border="0">
[02:18:20] <Jymmm> XXCoder: it's framed for some reason
[02:18:31] <XXCoder> yeah thats why script didnt work
[02:18:35] <XXCoder> so I zoom,ed in
[02:19:23] <Jymmm> At $3000 PLUS the caps/magnets, I'm over it now
[02:19:46] <XXCoder> discription reads as bullshitium
[02:19:59] <Ralith> so it's not a perpetual motion machine, but it's being sold to perpetual motion machine hobbyists with perpetual motion machine ad copy
[02:20:10] <Crom> ugh... Windows 7,8 ,8.1, 10 no likey my Siig CyberParallel card. Damn it! works just fine in Linux what ever flavor
[02:20:25] <XXCoder> stop using windows
[02:21:00] <Crom> great card. 2 Parallel ports on a DB-35 splitter
[02:21:19] <Crom> all the other cards take 2 slot spaces
[02:21:24] <Jymmm> Ralith: Well, at least he says what it's not... sorta kinda ;)
[02:21:27] <XXCoder> Jymmm: yep bunch of shares on overunity websites
[02:21:42] <Ralith> is it a con if he tells you he's conning you? interesting philosophical question
[02:21:42] <Crom> XXCoder, I wish I could...
[02:22:03] <Jymmm> Ralith: PT Barnum
[02:22:11] <Ralith> hah
[02:22:40] <Jymmm> Ralith: Nah, it's just evolution doing what it should be
[02:23:59] <Ralith> sadly I don't think falling for this sort of thing significantly impacts people's reproductive fitness
[02:25:26] <XXCoder> yeah as long as has food, water sex organs that work is all is needed
[02:25:45] <XXCoder> surivial of fittest is a myth. what it really is is surivial of good enough
[02:26:07] <XXCoder> as long as you live lobng enough to have kids, it works fine.
[02:27:05] <Ralith> it's not that survival of the fittest is a myth, it's just that the popular notion of "fit" is rather misguided
[02:27:19] <Ralith> (as it applies to the aphorism)
[02:34:07] <Jymmm> Had a drawer full of 1GB usb thumbdrives that the enclosure was too big to fit most things. Ripped em apart and now 8 of them fit into an "Altoids Smalls" container, like this one https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IIvGJyxfn80/hqdefault.jpg
[02:34:36] <Jymmm> Have some CLEAR shrink tubing on the way for them =)
[02:35:43] <Jymmm> shit, now I can't find them! lol
[02:36:13] <yasnak> So CNC machine is pulling such a load during spindle braking that you can hear the fans on the nearby computer (plugged into a non-sine ups) rev up and down. Good or bad?
[02:36:52] <archivist> a sign your main cabling is struggling
[02:37:25] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: my version of that pic doesn't include that material
[02:37:44] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: which pic?
[02:38:12] <CaptHindsight> watermelon flavored bubblicious
[02:38:12] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: (the pic of the tin with the 9v battery was just for scale)
[02:38:13] <yasnak> Everything comes from same panel, machine is 208 and computer is 120. Figured it was maybe a loose leg or something. I have no idea about power but the computer runs a laser and it keeps getting kocked offline. Ugh ;/
[02:38:28] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Oh, hang on...
[02:39:13] <archivist> yasnak, wire diameter and your local transformer
[02:39:53] <CaptHindsight> I might be wrong bur Hackaday might be similar to "The Man in the High Tower", where the viewer sees only want they want to believe
[02:40:04] <CaptHindsight> bur/but
[02:40:14] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: top left corner http://cdn.instructables.com/FZ4/MSGV/UEIEPUCHSO2/FZ4MSGVUEIEPUCHSO2.LARGE.jpg
[02:40:52] <Jymmm> between the box of jumpers and the tripod
[02:41:54] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: And maybe some never see what's right there in front of them ;)
[02:42:15] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: yeah mine only has PMOY 2001
[02:42:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: click "VIEW ALL STEPS"
[02:42:52] <Jymmm> it's right below the pic of aluminum foil
[02:43:22] <CaptHindsight> nope just PMOY 2001
[02:43:32] <Jymmm> wtf is "PMOY"?
[02:43:42] <CaptHindsight> lol
[02:43:47] <Crom> yasnak, I've had cases where inductance put enough noise into a nuetral to get a machine behaving screwy.
[02:44:02] <Crom> is the 208 and 120 coming down the same conduit?
[02:44:06] <yasnak> Sorry, didn't see these responses.
[02:44:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: http://www.instructables.com/id/Tazer-Glove/?ALLSTEPS
[02:45:14] <Jymmm> Below "Step 1: Parts"
[02:45:40] <yasnak> Yeah exactly Crom
[02:45:55] <yasnak> Boss said it was probably a loose leg, eh, I don't think so.
[02:46:10] <Crom> sounds more like inductance coupling
[02:46:41] <yasnak> Doesn't shut the computer down or anything, but the laser is VERY sensitive and it shuts it down randomly. Which is annoying when trying to make anneal marking in metals as you really only get one shot at it
[02:46:55] <yasnak> If it stops halfway between you may not notice until it gets to customer and that sucks :/
[02:47:24] <Crom> split the 120 and 208 supply into 2 shielded conduits.
[02:48:34] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If you are seeing PMOY, joos been h@x0r3d!
[02:48:48] <yasnak> Well we could do that, but would just getting a "sinewave" UPS do the trick? Like an Online UPS? Right now I've got an extension cord running to another circuit on another breaker which can't be like that for long haha.
[02:49:33] <Jymmm> Sounds liek your near overloading the circuits. If it's a laser, I suspect you have exhaust blower too
[02:49:53] <Crom> I've had it where I had to put the 120 on a isolation transformer and run a rotary converter to isolate the 3ph
[02:50:03] <yasnak> We're a large-scale cnc shop so yeah heh
[02:50:12] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: just below the tripod and above the electrical tape?
[02:50:27] <Crom> how many watt laser?
[02:50:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 2016-02-06.00:16:00 Jymmm: between the box of jumpers and the tripod
[02:50:45] <CaptHindsight> close enough
[02:51:00] <CaptHindsight> reality, what a concept
[02:51:07] <Crom> a loose connection would add noise into the circuit
[02:51:17] <yasnak> Switched everything to fiber from CO2, it has been like night and day. What a difference in everything
[02:51:36] <Jymmm> yasnak: you bastard =(
[02:51:37] <yasnak> Run a 1000W for cutting and 20W for laser marking.
[02:51:39] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Bubblicious-chewing-gum-258880_1000_298.jpg
[02:51:44] <Crom> loosen all the connections, add dialetric grease, and retighten everything
[02:52:11] <Jymmm> yasnak: you have a 20W fiber?
[02:52:16] <yasnak> yes
[02:52:20] <Jymmm> bastard!
[02:52:24] <Jymmm> lol
[02:52:29] <yasnak> Got it from ControlLaserCorp or something?
[02:52:37] <yasnak> Long ago...company out of Florida.
[02:52:51] <Jymmm> gawd, I'd lust a fiber YaG
[02:53:35] <yasnak> Its very basic, when we move to full auto (as we're currently paying someone hourly to sit there and reload and push lase button) I want to rip the 20W's head off and mount it on a toolholder to lase within the mills.
[02:54:50] <archivist> laser tripping on a brownout can also be regarded as a power supply fault in the laser
[02:55:06] <yasnak> I was wondering that too...might actually just be the PSU going?>
[02:55:48] <archivist> going/not up to the job
[02:56:05] <Jymmm> yasnak: Is it actually th spindle causing the issue, or when the laser is doing heavy markings?
[02:56:13] <archivist> electrolytics failing
[02:56:53] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: nope just the other image
[02:57:05] <Crom> capacitor plauge... anything built 2003 to around 2009 is likely to had crummy caps
[02:57:31] <Crom> s/to had/to have had/
[02:57:44] <yasnak> Not the laser, it can be just idle and be kicked off. The spindle it seems esspecially when going to nearly max (this is a 40 taper machine w/35hp 15k spindle okuma) spindle speed.
[02:58:40] <Crom> hmmm could it be back feeding a voltage/signal into the supply or controls
[02:59:20] <Jymmm> yasnak: Is this an RF excited laser?
[02:59:43] <Crom> start looking at caps feeding the logic. if you have to, start pulling them and testing them
[02:59:50] <yasnak> https://www.controllaser.com/shop/laser-marking-engraving-systems/prowriter-fseries-fiber-ir-laser-marker/
[03:00:19] <yasnak> That is the laser, it has a custom made case w/pallet changer but otherwise thats basically it. Computer and a head with C-axis rotary and z-axis for height
[03:02:42] <yasnak> As for RF laser I have no idea. I promise I know my shit, just not exactly too sure about electrical.
[03:03:05] <CaptHindsight> I could be wrong but it would seem to be a benefit to everyone if lasers could be excited by the simple things in life...
[03:03:37] <yasnak> Oh so only lasers can be excited?
[03:04:53] <CaptHindsight> nope, lasers, cats and squirrels as well
[03:05:55] <Crom> sometimes the stupid things are what's actually wrong... On my mum's car... we replaced coil, cam gears, cam bearings, lifters, points, electronic ignition, resistance wire, then we finally found the problem. the spade connector at the firewall engine harness plug on the resistance wire.
[03:06:18] <XXCoder> I wish I can figure whats going on with my van
[03:06:25] <XXCoder> sometimes rough idle sometimes fine
[03:06:32] <CaptHindsight> it's a van
[03:06:48] <yasnak> What motor?
[03:07:50] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: is it a rough idle or is the universe shaking around it?
[03:07:51] <Crom> carb or fuel injection, points or electronic ignition, vacuum leak on the engine, vacuum leak under the dash for the heater controls?
[03:08:29] <XXCoder> its nissan quest 1996
[03:08:38] <XXCoder> fuel injected type
[03:08:47] <Crom> egr valve?
[03:08:56] <yasnak> distributor?
[03:09:05] <yasnak> Sounds like the electrical system tho if its rough then fine
[03:09:07] <XXCoder> not distributor as thats completely new
[03:09:14] <Crom> idle speed control valve?
[03:09:18] <XXCoder> whats weird is that its ONLY when its warm
[03:09:41] <CaptHindsight> sounds like Nissan
[03:09:43] <yasnak> hahaha
[03:09:45] <yasnak> Ok
[03:09:53] <yasnak> Fuel injector?
[03:09:54] <Crom> cold idle and warm idle, one using o2 sensor, the other doesn't
[03:10:07] <CaptHindsight> their ECUs are just programmed that way
[03:10:22] <XXCoder> cold is silk smooth
[03:10:34] <toastyde1th> XXCoder, when is it rough
[03:10:46] <toastyde1th> only when warm, in certian weather?
[03:10:50] <toastyde1th> randomly?
[03:10:56] <XXCoder> when parked (and brake not park mode)
[03:11:07] <XXCoder> it mostly runs fune but rough at times
[03:11:19] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: any codes?
[03:11:20] <XXCoder> constantly rough if raining - sometimes
[03:11:26] <toastyde1th> XXCoder, two things to try
[03:11:38] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: yeah finally had one, p0400 po325 p0301
[03:11:40] <toastyde1th> first, let it warm up, then pop the hood
[03:11:45] <toastyde1th> and get a water spray bottle
[03:11:49] <toastyde1th> and start spraying shit.
[03:11:53] <toastyde1th> not a hose
[03:11:55] <toastyde1th> just mist things
[03:11:57] <CaptHindsight> looks like 3
[03:12:17] <toastyde1th> if nothing happens, get a propane bottle
[03:12:28] <toastyde1th> open it to get a decent flow, nothing crazy
[03:12:33] <toastyde1th> and move it around the engine bay
[03:12:39] <toastyde1th> and listen for changes in the engine
[03:12:48] <XXCoder> listen pafrt is little bit hard
[03:12:50] <toastyde1th> don't put it near the intake
[03:13:00] <toastyde1th> that will just tell you that you've found the intake
[03:13:08] <XXCoder> lol ok
[03:13:28] <toastyde1th> usually shit like that is either vacuum (propane method) or ignition, as mentioned (and water troubleshot)
[03:13:29] <CaptHindsight> toastyde1th: I use ether. It ether surges or explodes
[03:13:55] <toastyde1th> a water bottle is suuuuuuper useful for troubleshooting worn ignition components
[03:14:18] <Crom> salt water even better
[03:14:21] <toastyde1th> a little salt in the wa.. yes
[03:14:45] <toastyde1th> the propane less so for various reasons but it still does an 80% job
[03:14:55] <XXCoder> so what would happen is leaks in intake sucks water in and it stalls a little?
[03:15:02] <toastyde1th> that won't happen
[03:15:13] <CaptHindsight> are you able to suspend and dunk the car into a pool of fluorocarbons while running?
[03:15:16] <toastyde1th> spraying water into the intake is actually a preventative maintainance method
[03:15:30] <toastyde1th> you usually use distilled water for that, for obvious reasons
[03:16:14] <toastyde1th> the droplets undergo a steam explosion when they hit the valves and piston
[03:16:19] <toastyde1th> and blow carbon deposits off
[03:16:35] <toastyde1th> so if you have compression loss on the exhaust side, or knock
[03:16:39] <toastyde1th> you can sometimes solve it that way
[03:18:02] <Crom> do that all the time on first starts of old crap. I find it helps diagnosing bad hot wire air mass sensors too
[03:18:20] <XXCoder> okay will do that
[03:18:26] <XXCoder> where do I buy distalled water anyway
[03:18:30] <toastyde1th> the food store
[03:18:33] <Crom> grocery store
[03:18:34] <toastyde1th> it's near the ice usually
[03:18:39] <XXCoder> yeah I guessed that
[03:18:40] <toastyde1th> not the bottled spring water shit by the soda
[03:18:48] <toastyde1th> but it's like a dollar per gallon, comes in a milk jug
[03:18:58] <XXCoder> why nt? materials good for engine! ;) JK
[03:19:03] <Crom> the water for irons and batteries
[03:19:03] <toastyde1th> hahaha
[03:19:41] <toastyde1th> also one more question
[03:19:43] <toastyde1th> when it's idling rough
[03:19:50] <toastyde1th> is just makin' a bunch of vibration
[03:19:53] <toastyde1th> or is there power loss/etc
[03:19:59] <yasnak> ok
[03:20:02] <toastyde1th> and if there is what does it feel like
[03:20:21] <toastyde1th> if you step on it and the thing bogs, that's almost assuredly a vacuum problem
[03:20:25] <yasnak> p301 is misfie cylinder 1. 325 is the knock sensor
[03:20:26] <XXCoder> theres actually 2 types, rain issues its like its so weak it can barely move low speeds. but high speeds it "recovers"
[03:20:34] <toastyde1th> if it's just shaking like all fuck, that's probably a missing spark on a cylinder
[03:20:35] <yasnak> so have you checked the sparks on cylinder 1?
[03:21:07] <XXCoder> and "normal" idle issues where it mostly runs fine but rough run short time (like its angry on waiting too long)
[03:21:19] <XXCoder> rpm dips
[03:21:21] <toastyde1th> that sounds more like a vac problem
[03:21:32] <toastyde1th> but check the spark b/c it's easier to diagnose than vac
[03:21:41] <toastyde1th> XXCoder, time the roughness
[03:21:42] <XXCoder> how do I check sparks?
[03:21:52] <XXCoder> toastyde1th: typically each minute or 2
[03:22:02] <toastyde1th> i mean like, actually time it
[03:22:07] <XXCoder> ahh
[03:22:07] <toastyde1th> if it's consistent, that's vacuum
[03:22:18] <XXCoder> it seemed consistent to me
[03:22:26] <toastyde1th> b/c there's two different fuel trim levels in the engine, short term and long term
[03:22:31] <XXCoder> once a while it "misses" rough but pretty consitent
[03:22:42] <yasnak> lol, i'd check the spark
[03:22:47] <yasnak> thats literally what the code is saying
[03:22:47] <toastyde1th> if the short term fuel trim is pegged on one extreme for very long, the long term fuel trim starts to adjust
[03:22:52] <Jymmm> P0400 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Malfunction (EGR VALVE)
[03:23:09] <XXCoder> yasnak: yeah that error is very rare
[03:23:11] <toastyde1th> p0400 is almost always a vac problem
[03:23:12] <Jymmm> P0325 Knock Sensor Circuit Malfunction
[03:23:13] <yasnak> bad spark, its also detecting the knock in the bank 1. But the p0400 might be a completely different error
[03:23:14] <XXCoder> first time in few months
[03:23:26] <Jymmm> P0301 Cylinder 1 One Misfire Detected
[03:23:28] <yasnak> The p0400 could be the vac error
[03:23:44] <toastyde1th> XXCoder, look on youtube for methods to check spark
[03:23:44] <XXCoder> yeah not too sure how to test spark as well as vacuum
[03:23:46] <toastyde1th> and just pick one
[03:23:47] <yasnak> Whenever I get cylinder 1 misfire it was from an engine slowly getting eaten by sluge :/
[03:23:49] <XXCoder> ok
[03:24:12] <toastyde1th> i don't trust the spark/knock system
[03:24:13] <XXCoder> yasnak: might be case for mine, as van is getting close to average mileage.
[03:24:15] <toastyde1th> if there is a vac problem
[03:24:20] <XXCoder> near 200k miles
[03:24:33] <XXCoder> nissan quest is apparently very tough
[03:24:33] <yasnak> Ever had a tune up?
[03:24:33] <Jymmm> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2cFuheKBgQ
[03:24:46] <toastyde1th> as soon as anything on the vacuum side throws an error, like the EGR, that's fairly diagnostic
[03:25:15] <toastyde1th> esp because the LT going bonkers can cause misfires
[03:25:27] <toastyde1th> ...on high mileage cars.
[03:25:31] <XXCoder> vitium know as the days inn whatsever
[03:25:37] <XXCoder> gonna love autocaptions
[03:25:54] <XXCoder> *victims
[03:27:14] <toastyde1th> XXCoder, do you have anything that can read the odb2 data
[03:27:19] <toastyde1th> not just the codes
[03:27:19] <XXCoder> yep I do
[03:27:22] <toastyde1th> but get sensor info
[03:27:33] <XXCoder> my phone and module. yep that too
[03:27:40] <toastyde1th> if you can, plug it in, let it run, and watch the LTFT and STFT graphs
[03:27:51] <yasnak> Its OK, i blew the headgasket on my 6.0L powerchoke last weekend. Unfortunately, it not only sucks but I need to remove the cab to swap the gasket
[03:27:56] <toastyde1th> if they're pegged, you know it's not spark
[03:28:51] <XXCoder> ok
[03:28:57] <XXCoder> can test while cold?
[03:29:11] <toastyde1th> no because the fuel sensor isn't in use and the engine runs intentionally rich
[03:29:18] <toastyde1th> start it and drive it for 5 mins
[03:29:20] <toastyde1th> don't let it it idle
[03:29:29] <toastyde1th> you need to be moving, not sitting at lights to get the LTFT to baseline
[03:29:32] <XXCoder> fun. HMM might be excuse to go to winco
[03:29:44] <toastyde1th> then as soon as you park, watch the shit
[03:29:44] <XXCoder> one of few stores open at 1 am and distalled water for later too
[03:29:57] <XXCoder> remain on brake or shift to parked?
[03:29:58] <toastyde1th> the ST should peg immediately on the rich side, and then the LT should follow
[03:30:06] <toastyde1th> when the LT pegs, you should hear it roughen up
[03:30:17] <XXCoder> *feel
[03:30:26] <XXCoder> which may not be possible
[03:30:28] <toastyde1th> it shouldn't matter, but do whatever you've been doing
[03:30:37] <toastyde1th> if you park it and put the brake on, just do that
[03:31:12] <XXCoder> I really need to buy vacuum gage
[03:31:32] <XXCoder> but timings bad lol as I recently paid bunch of bills including 2 college loan payments
[03:31:44] <toastyde1th> won't help a lot here, unfortunately
[03:31:57] <toastyde1th> the "pro tool" for this is a smoke machine
[03:32:05] <XXCoder> wont it tell me if vacuum tubes actually has vacuum?
[03:32:09] <toastyde1th> you turn the engine off, strap it to the intake, and pressurize the manifold
[03:32:21] <toastyde1th> nope, the issue is not loss of vacuum
[03:32:23] <toastyde1th> it's unmetered air
[03:32:37] <XXCoder> ah extra air or less than needed?
[03:32:44] <toastyde1th> more air, less vaccum - but a miniscule amount
[03:33:06] <toastyde1th> but the MAF/whatever your car uses is verrrrry sensitive
[03:33:25] <toastyde1th> and the engine doesn't actually give a shit about the mild loss of vacuum, it's the fuel trims freaking out that cause the problem
[03:33:26] <Jymmm> If it's fine cold, but gets rough when warm, and you have three codes being thrown, sound like a sensor issue soemwhere.
[03:33:33] <XXCoder> it does have maf
[03:33:47] <XXCoder> once cleaned it using proper electrics cleaner (for car)
[03:33:48] <toastyde1th> once the fuel trims fail to adjust your shit, every code ever will come up
[03:33:59] <Jymmm> Can you get the factory service manual ?
[03:34:13] <XXCoder> Jymmm: I have 1995 model one which should be more or less same
[03:34:34] <Jymmm> and what year is your car?
[03:34:39] <XXCoder> 1996
[03:34:48] <XXCoder> nissan quest changes very little for last few years
[03:34:55] <XXCoder> final year is 1998
[03:35:08] <XXCoder> 1999 is that... ugly redesign
[03:35:09] <Jymmm> Ok, go thru the diag in it then for those codes
[03:35:35] <XXCoder> toastyde1th: how much distalled water? just spray or 2 or just pump em in lol
[03:35:45] <toastyde1th> I'll bet 100 bucks the ultimate problem isn't related to the codes
[03:36:03] <toastyde1th> don't do the water thing in your case, there's no need
[03:36:18] <XXCoder> sparkplugs is new, so is entire distrator
[03:36:24] <toastyde1th> get tapwater, throw a tiny amount of salt in
[03:36:29] <Jymmm> XXCoder: since when?
[03:36:31] <XXCoder> it was making brown dust (sign of dead dist motor) so its new
[03:36:31] <toastyde1th> then spray around the engine
[03:36:51] <toastyde1th> there's nothing in the codes or in your symptoms that make me thing you have a carbon problem
[03:36:54] <toastyde1th> *think
[03:37:05] <XXCoder> ok wont worry about that thenb
[03:37:07] <toastyde1th> my actual bet is this: your egr hose is cracked.
[03:37:25] <XXCoder> what do I worry about when spraying barely salted tap water?
[03:37:29] <yasnak> i mean he didnt say sparks were new
[03:37:36] <yasnak> so egr is really all it could be, or bad sensor
[03:37:43] <yasnak> which you could easily check with ohms meter
[03:37:58] <toastyde1th> *if it was a spark issue*, which it could be but i doubt, you spray the ignition parts and listen for a change
[03:38:22] <XXCoder> yasnak: check egr using ohms how? I recalling checking egr something using multimeter a while ago
[03:38:29] <XXCoder> it passed.
[03:38:32] <toastyde1th> if it goes from "Dry is fine" to "wet it immediately roughens up" then it's a spark issue
[03:38:41] <toastyde1th> egr has a long thin vac hose
[03:38:58] <toastyde1th> if the hose is cracked the egr doesn't open when the computer wants it to and it throws a code
[03:39:00] <XXCoder> yeah wet thing is weird, it dont happen for sure. I had van right behind truck, eating all that water, it was fine
[03:39:12] <XXCoder> and later in barely rain it barely runs when low speed.
[03:39:18] <XXCoder> or before
[03:39:23] <toastyde1th> all good vac symptoms
[03:39:37] <yasnak> hes saying wet in the spark lol
[03:39:57] <XXCoder> yasnak: what?
[03:41:03] <yasnak> Nothing, seems like one of these. I'd start there as they're fairly easy to finfd out on your own but yeah, moisture usually is electrical
[03:41:24] <XXCoder> toastyde1th: okay will check egr stuff later. egr location and its hose is at... fun place to access
[03:41:33] <XXCoder> its behind the engine
[03:41:35] <toastyde1th> it always is =(
[03:41:41] <XXCoder> I cant even see the hose
[03:41:50] <toastyde1th> just look at the fuel trim graphs
[03:41:59] <toastyde1th> before you go dicking around trying to find the hose
[03:42:19] <toastyde1th> drive it without sitting in traffic for 5-10 min then park, watch graph
[03:42:42] <XXCoder> the LTFS and STFS okay lemme look at torque on that
[03:44:19] <XXCoder> theres fuel trim bank 1 short term
[03:44:23] <toastyde1th> ya
[03:44:32] <Crom> gotta love inline I-6's everything is one side or the other
[03:44:34] <XXCoder> lots fuel trim bank X sensor X
[03:44:37] <toastyde1th> you care about long term tho, that's the one that will coincide with the rough idle
[03:44:46] <toastyde1th> short term is always bonkers
[03:45:35] <toastyde1th> if your car has wideband o2 it will be a little more sane
[03:45:49] <XXCoder> do I just get bank 1 sensor 1?
[03:45:54] <XXCoder> looking for o2
[03:46:11] <toastyde1th> don't bother w/ o2, i was giving too much detail
[03:46:18] <XXCoder> intake manfold pressure?
[03:46:19] <toastyde1th> your car may not have a bank 2 or sensor 2
[03:46:26] <toastyde1th> fuel trim is correct
[03:46:46] <toastyde1th> poke around in fuel trim and look for whatever has data
[03:46:51] <XXCoder> teah theres long list of banks and sensors lol 1, 1 is more or less for sure so its fine
[03:47:11] <Crom> xx V6 or I4 engine?
[03:47:18] <XXCoder> v6
[03:47:32] <toastyde1th> you'll probably have 2 banks with 1 sensor each
[03:47:36] <toastyde1th> for v6
[03:47:58] <XXCoder> one is suffecent to see change correct?
[03:48:00] <toastyde1th> so you *may* need to do this twice if you can't see both quickly/at the same time
[03:48:12] <toastyde1th> it usually is but not always
[03:48:15] <XXCoder> torque is configurable
[03:48:23] <toastyde1th> depending on how the intake is plumbed
[03:48:26] <XXCoder> so fuel trim what is other one?
[03:48:44] <toastyde1th> fuel trim is the only thing you care about
[03:49:01] <toastyde1th> you are looking for short term and long term fuel trim
[03:49:12] <XXCoder> the graph shows 80 to -80 with default at 0 (not connected now)
[03:49:12] <toastyde1th> there may be multiple trims, one for each bank
[03:49:17] <toastyde1th> ya
[03:49:21] <toastyde1th> sounds about right
[03:49:36] <toastyde1th> in practice you'll see it flatline around +/- 20 or 25
[03:49:59] <yasnak> https://vid.me/hnmo
[03:50:01] <yasnak> mmmm
[03:50:21] <yasnak> dats the machine killing my power haha
[03:51:02] <Jymmm> yasnak: You have a power (watt) meter on that thing?
[03:51:10] <XXCoder> https security fail yas
[03:51:11] <yasnak> on the control yup
[03:51:44] <Jymmm> yasnak: and is it metering LIVE or "controlled"?
[03:51:50] <yasnak> live
[03:52:04] <yasnak> keeps track of power, hp, everything.
[03:52:13] <Jymmm> yasnak: is the mains voltage dipping at all?
[03:53:13] <yasnak> Haven't really checked, we just built out this shop in Florida. I was moved by company from Wisconsin with no power issues. Here we constantly get over current on our 480 drops
[03:53:50] <XXCoder> geez. opendns blocks that domain'
[03:53:52] <archivist> get power company to investigate
[03:53:57] <Jymmm> yasnak: might want to check and eliminate that as a cause.
[03:54:32] <yasnak> FPL sucks, but yeah. I'm thinking its just the shitty power. We need a building wide power solution I think. Too many times have the machines all been shut down due to brownouts and such
[03:55:09] <archivist> you need a no break genset
[03:55:12] <Jymmm> yasnak: you in an industrial park?
[03:55:26] <yasnak> Given we have 10 of these mills and 40 citizen / star swiss screw machines, 10 lathes three molders two wire edms laser and everything else in between
[03:55:54] <Jymmm> yasnak: old or modern buidling?
[03:56:32] <yasnak> well, not old. but not as good as our shop up north with massive bus bars and shit. here its all transformers and circuit panels
[03:56:57] <Jymmm> 2 years? 10 years? 20 years?
[03:57:03] <yasnak> possibly 10?
[03:57:10] <Jymmm> industrial park?
[03:57:22] <yasnak> we bought it, then expanded it 2x since we moved in. Industrial park yes
[03:57:23] <Jymmm> above ground utilities?
[03:57:29] <yasnak> underground
[03:58:16] <Jymmm> like archivist said, have the elec co come out
[03:59:18] <Jymmm> youce expanded 2x you say, but is your service up to par with that
[03:59:23] <Jymmm> you've*
[03:59:41] <Jymmm> do they have you on an older branch somewhere, etc
[03:59:58] <yasnak> apparently, they're licensed FLORIDIAN electricians. Which is almost like hiring someone off the street who worked at walmart the day before.
[04:00:52] <yasnak> Seems the power situation is heavily underrated. We run more machines minus the foundry side but have alot more HVAC
[04:04:54] <yasnak> sorry, working split shift. worked 9-3 this morning and then pulled 11-now. gotta love working for family and babysitting 3rd shift.
[04:06:03] <Jymmm> split shifts SUCKASS!
[04:06:18] <XXCoder> ow yeah it does suck
[04:06:19] <yasnak> yes, im not tired but my eyes feel like they're slowly drying out
[04:06:23] <XXCoder> I dont miss it
[04:11:27] <yasnak> cool thing is that there is bars open at 6am for 3rd shifters :P
[04:11:49] <Jymmm> lol
[04:31:27] <XXCoder> c̸̙͚͇̞̺̊t͈̖̙̩͓̀̃̎ͯ͂̉h͖̬u̶̮̯͌̏̎̉̎l̲̹̫̍̆ͩ͒h̥͎͇͍̯͎̋̔ͧ̉́̏͌uͤ̃̓̾̀ ̯̣̖̥̒̽ͧī̋ͧ̃ͮ̾̈́҉̘͎͓̠̳̬ͅs̃͒ͨ͑ͣͧ̓ ̷ͣ͒̀̒͊c͈̹̮͈͇̥̳͑o̺̖̲͓͇̥͠m̟̺ͥ̍͒ͯ̽̚͢i͚͉̪͚̠̥͋̃̃̄̏ͧńͮ̌̀ǵ̨̞̘͓̩̙̗͊̄͗͊ͦͅ.̘̰̩͉ͨ
[04:32:52] <XXCoder> ͓l̩o̙lͅ
[05:04:03] <minibnz> hey have a question.. my breakout board is starting to die.. (my mosfets are cooking for some reason thats not important) i currently have a 10inch ITX Celeron 1.6ghz board running linuxcnc with a parrallel pci card 2 par ports. its working pretty good but i want to add encoders to get some more accuracy.. if i switch to a raspberry pi2 will i get better IO performance than the pci card i have now? with 20+ io the pi looks like it might
[05:04:03] <minibnz> hande the Quadrature inputs of the encoders better.
[05:05:19] <archivist> get a mesa card, pi wont help you
[05:06:02] <archivist> fpga on the mesa card is designed for encoder counting
[05:06:04] <minibnz> ok was hoping that i could empty my box and get what i want easy :)
[05:06:16] <archivist> pi wont be easy
[05:06:57] <minibnz> sorta hoping the pi2 has direct gpio access and wont have the bottle neck that the par port card is looking like it wil be..
[05:08:03] <minibnz> as my mosfet board is about to die i thought i could neaten it all up a bit by changing to a cooler running cpu..
[05:08:14] <archivist> you need hardware counting for reliability, I bet the pi is only software polling
[05:08:20] <SpeedEvil> Well.
[05:08:21] <minibnz> its a shame i kinda like the raspberry pi :)
[05:08:31] <SpeedEvil> In principle, you could wire one core of the Pi to be only polling
[05:08:38] <SpeedEvil> at which it could be quite fast enough
[05:09:00] <archivist> some encodes are 100s of khz
[05:09:03] <minibnz> its only a small machine and im not looking to break speed machining records :)
[05:09:30] <minibnz> i was actually thinking about makig my own encoders.. it will be a fun little project.
[05:10:55] <SpeedEvil> 'for some reason' - probably a good idea to work that out
[05:10:58] <SpeedEvil> also - add a fan
[05:11:32] <enleth> minibnz: pi is absolute crap when it comes to using GPIO for anything timing-critical
[05:12:08] <minibnz> i have a fan already but its vastly underated.. and i plan to replace it.. but as this requires making new holes in steel box i need to strip everything out to do it so i want to work out what i want to do and get it all dont at once..
[05:12:12] <enleth> minibnz: even an arduino could be better at that particular task, as much as this sounds crazy
[05:12:39] <enleth> (not implying that it would be *good*)
[05:12:55] <minibnz> enleth thanks was hoping someone else had experince with the io.. i havent really played with them that deeply
[05:13:59] <minibnz> arduino's are used in lots of 3d printers. but they have hit the limits of the AVRs and are starting to move onto the arm based chips.
[05:14:10] <SpeedEvil> enleth: have you investigated tying a core to it?
[05:14:28] <archivist> you need to guarantee seeing the encoder edges
[05:15:27] <beikeland> minibnz: yeah, i use 433mhz radio receivers with my pi's for home automation, every single one has an arduino to handle the received signal using interupts before its passed to the pi on a uart. pi use 30-50% of its single core to decode a very low bandwith signal
[05:15:36] <SpeedEvil> archivist: I'm assuming a GHz core polling in a very tight loop.
[05:16:13] <minibnz> the pi2 has four cores have you played with these at all?
[05:16:48] <SpeedEvil> Saw some interesting work doing that for network control at stupid scale
[05:17:42] <beikeland> no, haven't yet, but i don't see it keeping up with motion control and encoders. if it does i'll be getting one though
[05:18:29] <minibnz> i have a few BBB's sitting here lookinf for a use too.. wonder if i add a PIC or AVR to capture the pulses then transfer the data to the the BBB or pi via the 16bit camera port
[05:19:09] <SpeedEvil> BBB in principle is greatly flexible with the PRUs
[05:19:32] <SpeedEvil> These are embedded very fast microcontrollers exactly for IO control
[05:19:47] <minibnz> ok so a BBB would be better than a pi or pi2
[05:20:33] <SpeedEvil> Well - the BBB has explicitly designed stuff to do it
[05:20:42] <minibnz> add a nice big heatsink and fan and you can overclock them to 1.3ghz pretty easy but only a single core..
[05:20:52] <SpeedEvil> I suspec tthat if you locked a core to GPIO polling, you could do as well on the Pi2
[05:21:11] <SpeedEvil> I have not investigated maximum bus latencies - I would be astonished if they hit a microsecond though
[05:21:24] <minibnz> i just dont think i am capable of doin that speedevil.. beyond my coding skills.
[05:21:43] <enleth> SpeedEvil: Pi has interrupt sharing problems
[05:21:53] <SpeedEvil> enleth: I am not talking about interrupts at all
[05:22:05] <enleth> ah, OK, pure polling
[05:22:10] <minibnz> the BBB has DMA bus that the pi does not..
[05:22:13] <SpeedEvil> enleth: one core not running linux, in a pure tight poll loop
[05:22:16] <enleth> whatever floats your boat
[05:22:38] <SpeedEvil> Hjaving said that, the Pi is possibly the HW I wish had never been born.
[05:22:39] <enleth> the question is: what for?
[05:22:44] <enleth> there are easier ways
[05:22:57] <SpeedEvil> The way it's been implemented has been negative for the wider community.
[05:23:09] <enleth> all of them starting with "don't use a Pi"
[05:23:41] <minibnz> but for the first timers they are great.. if you are already into it there are plenty of other boards you can use..
[05:23:45] <SpeedEvil> Starting out with the Pi foundation have an inherent aim at making stuff non-hardware-independant
[05:24:01] <enleth> minibnz: they would be even more great if they were done right
[05:24:26] <enleth> minibnz: I mean, what's the point of having crippled hardware if you could have it just as cool on the outside *and* made better?
[05:25:37] <minibnz> your idea of right and their idea of right are different.. they just want people to learn or start learning.. once you learn that it can be fun you can then move on from the into class and lear the real way.. its like cooking you start at home then if you really like it you learn more.. like you cant whip cream in a platic bowl.. ect...
[05:26:51] <minibnz> the pi foundation just want to get people started.. no-one says that once you learn the pi way you cant go and learn how to do it another way that is more towards your line of thinking.
[05:28:59] <enleth> but there isn't any fundamental law or principle that says "learning hardware must be crappy at low level IO"
[05:29:20] <enleth> they could have gotten it right and it wouldn't be any worse at being an entry level board
[05:29:24] <enleth> so... why?
[05:30:18] <minibnz> for the target price they got pretty good balance of high and low i think.. and look at what it started before the pi no one thought it was possible to make a board like that for the $$$ and they did it..
[05:31:06] <minibnz> now you can buy a chip board that is like $13 has more power etc..
[05:47:52] <enleth> but people are still sinking money into Pi when there are better alternatives that could have used more coverage and funding
[05:48:46] <archivist> see the new odroid-c2
[05:49:27] <minibnz> yeah the c2 is nice board.. that really rips.. it out performs the BBB by about 5x in my tests i did at work..
[05:49:44] <TekniQue> I wouldn't call 35 bucks sinking money
[05:49:55] <minibnz> we were doing OCR and the C2 was going to be used in the next model if we didnt run out of money and close shop.
[05:50:11] <TekniQue> but yes, the Pi is just cheap
[05:50:20] <TekniQue> it's got few other redeemable qualities
[05:50:48] <minibnz> common hardware platform makes for easy distribution of software..
[05:51:49] <enleth> TekniQue: multiply that by thousands
[05:52:17] <enleth> and think what could have been if that kind of money went to the developers of ODroid or another more capable board
[05:52:57] <minibnz> no one would have heard of the odroid people with out the pi
[05:53:04] <minibnz> at least not for a long time..
[05:53:10] <enleth> but their time is long past *now*
[05:53:29] <minibnz> the pi foundation had the marketing right... you cant hold that against them...
[05:53:47] <SpeedEvil> The marketing was fucking ridiculous.
[05:54:07] <enleth> yes, this is the *cause* of the current situation, but it's not a *justification*
[05:54:11] <SpeedEvil> Before launch, I heard two or three government MPs making statements about it
[05:54:27] <TekniQue> I'm actually impressed they managed to sell it at the projected price of 35 bucks
[05:54:31] <enleth> it could be and should be different now
[05:54:51] <minibnz> i was surprised they got it out for $35 thru farnel...!!!!
[05:55:03] <TekniQue> and the model B+ and rpi2 actually seem to be designed by a professional
[05:55:12] <TekniQue> the first generation was such a train wreck
[05:55:23] <enleth> well that's easy, Farnell got publicity and new customers
[05:55:30] <minibnz> oh yeah.. emc issues up the wazoo..
[05:55:36] <TekniQue> looked like it was laid out by a moron using some free cad software
[05:55:41] <enleth> so it's not like they lost out on having no direct revenue from distributing the Pi
[05:55:47] <minibnz> eagle cad :)
[05:56:06] <TekniQue> with an overheating voltage regulator, USB ports that couldn't even supply 200mA
[05:56:19] <TekniQue> connectors sticking out of every edge and no mounting holes
[05:56:54] <minibnz> yeah the no mounting holes was a screw up.. and a half.. fix that and the other connector issues go away..
[05:57:26] <TekniQue> and a non-latching SD card slot
[05:57:35] <TekniQue> with the card sticking out past the board edge
[05:57:46] <TekniQue> so breathe near it and the card lost contact
[05:58:03] <minibnz> power is just so wrong for them.. the use of a micro USB socket was wrong.. i am not saying it was perfect but it was what kickstarted a lot of dev in the electronics CCS world.. something i haddn't seen sincce the C64 days..
[05:58:24] <TekniQue> yes
[05:58:41] <minibnz> the pi and the arduino have made electronics almost cool...
[05:58:42] <TekniQue> and I have used it on a few projects
[05:59:03] <TekniQue> made daughterboards that go onto the gpio header
[05:59:22] <TekniQue> and a nodejs library to control some peripherals using javascript
[06:00:00] <minibnz> nice... i have a BBB that controls my snake tank.. very simple C code program that reads temp sensors the time and turns on the heater and light when it needs it.. and a fan if it ever gets too hot..
[06:00:39] <minibnz> added a web page to show the history of the temp.. for no other reason that the BBB was wasted driving a heater and light..
[06:00:50] <minibnz> and work was paying me :)
[06:01:56] <minibnz> was almost going to do it in bash... but went for C cuz the lack of datatypes in bash hurts my head...
[06:03:21] <minibnz> but that was so low speed i never bothered trying hard for performance.. anything more that 50hz was a waste..
[06:03:42] <beikeland> since we're on the arduino topic, if you need wifi look at esp8266 now has arduino ide support. wifi, 4-32mbit flash $4-6
[06:04:16] <minibnz> there is a c64basic web emulator for that chip :)
[06:05:21] <minibnz> you write the code into the website then program the chip and it then runs locally.. they added web and online support to the comodore basic language to make it more IOT freindly..
[06:05:30] <minibnz> and they are cheap..
[06:06:01] <beikeland> yeah, i think thats gonna do some pretty cool things to the arduino universe
[06:06:18] <TekniQue> I've never used the arduino environment
[06:06:33] <TekniQue> since I was using AVRs before arduino existed
[06:06:42] <minibnz> i still like my PIC Mcu's... i use arduinos for quick tests and things...
[06:06:46] <TekniQue> it just seemed to get in my way
[06:06:56] <minibnz> i never got into the core of AVRs
[06:07:15] <TekniQue> but I did find it odd to build a system like this using an 8 bit microcontroller at that time
[06:07:23] <beikeland> yeah, i hear you TekniQue but they have done amazing work in lowering the threshold to get started with the avrs
[06:07:33] <TekniQue> because back when Arduino came about, 32 bit micros were already so cheap
[06:07:42] <minibnz> oh hell yeah.. they made it easy as hell..
[06:08:02] <minibnz> setup() loop() kills it...
[06:08:09] <minibnz> unlike a
[06:08:20] <TekniQue> yes, it spawned a revolution in embedded programming
[06:08:29] <TekniQue> bringing embedded computing to the masses
[06:08:38] <minibnz> unlike a PIC.. go poke this and that and then this and that conflicts with this its a endless loop sometimes :)
[06:09:01] <TekniQue> with arduino suddenly everyone was doing microcontroller applications
[06:09:12] <TekniQue> I never really used PIC on any serious projects
[06:09:21] <minibnz> its was possible.. you didnt need to buy a programmer or a compiler..
[06:09:25] <TekniQue> I poked around with the 16f84 back in the day
[06:09:34] <TekniQue> but it was a horrendous platform
[06:09:36] <minibnz> the 16f84 was horrid..
[06:09:43] <minibnz> horrid i tells ya...
[06:09:50] <TekniQue> really limited instruction set
[06:09:53] <minibnz> bank selecting and paging...
[06:10:03] <TekniQue> I don't remember if there even was a C compiler for it
[06:10:06] <beikeland> so for squaring up my 3040 gantry mill, do I start front to back or left to right? Or is there no simple answer?
[06:10:10] <minibnz> now its all optimised for C it much better..
[06:10:23] <TekniQue> I only wrote some assembly code for it
[06:10:45] <TekniQue> but for the past 10 years I've almost only used ARM based microcontrollers
[06:11:01] <minibnz> beikeland i would setup the corner that is hardest to reach as the first one then you can make adjustments on the easier corners.. :)
[06:11:08] <TekniQue> they've got all these wonderful things like USB and ethernet on the chip
[06:11:19] <minibnz> so do pics now :)
[06:11:20] <TekniQue> interrupt priority vectors
[06:11:32] <minibnz> check...
[06:11:35] <TekniQue> 100k or so of RAM
[06:11:46] <minibnz> is that all :)
[06:12:21] <beikeland> lol, i thought 64k was enough for everyone?
[06:12:31] <minibnz> depending on the chip you can get 256k upto 1M in the pic32 family.. and the harmony configurator makes things really easy..
[06:13:19] <minibnz> i guess you can do all the same things on the AVRs as a pic.
[06:13:36] <TekniQue> yeah you usually don't get much more than that on chip, up to maybe 256k
[06:13:48] <minibnz> i do like it now that i have my head around their datasheets.. knowing what is going to conflict with what.
[06:13:53] <TekniQue> but if you have an application that really needs more, you can just use external RAM chips
[06:14:07] <TekniQue> and variants with an external memory bus
[06:14:13] <minibnz> yeah the have DMA
[06:16:33] <minibnz> its still a bit of a fight at times :) i have a board i am working on that has a lcd +ts screen gps receiver 2.4gz transceiver 4mb of eeprom storage USB and things are getting complicated..
[06:17:25] <minibnz> the thing i really like about PIC's is the realtime debugging.. that absolutley rocks.. even with the cheap pickit3 @$50 you can debug
[06:18:11] <TekniQue> the ARM chips have decent debugging too
[06:18:25] <minibnz> i also own a ICD3 that lets me debug faster and set more break points both are great for ripping out data from variables and all that..
[06:18:28] <TekniQue> I can hook up GDB via jtag
[06:19:55] <minibnz> (most) pics only need the programming pins to debug so you dont need to add extra jtag port.. but still jtag is nice and industry standard and doesn't need all that many pins..
[06:20:51] <TekniQue> on ARM, jtag is 5 or 6 pins
[06:20:53] <minibnz> code stepping for any micro is great.. its like a window into the sealed black box thats on your board... you get to see all sorts of stuff that you have to guess about
[06:21:23] <minibnz> probably a bit faster too :)
[06:22:22] <TekniQue> yeah, and it's nice to be able to alter/read registers and such
[06:22:32] <minibnz> some USB chips need you to use a special debug chip so it has enough pins.. like the 18f14k50 shares the programming pins with the usb pins. (bad idea if you ask me)
[06:24:25] <minibnz> the standalone programming mode of the pickit3 has saved me a few times at work.. one customer needed custom firmware for the board we sent. so we sent him a pickit3 pre-programmed all he needed was 5v battery and he could reprogram in the field..
[06:27:20] <minibnz> its a shame they dont yet offer anything super fast.. 120mips is the fastest one last time i checked.. but that still cant handle a camera CCD...
[06:27:41] <minibnz> well not a rolling shutter ccd module..
[06:28:51] <minibnz> had to learn the cypress FX3 chips to do a sound card for a mate.. it samples 2 channels at 2mhz with parrallel sampling.. gotta expand that out ot 6 channels next..
[06:30:20] <TekniQue> I'm planning to do some experiments with the Xilinx Zynq
[06:30:49] <TekniQue> that's an ARM SoC with an FPGA on board
[06:31:16] <TekniQue> so you have an actual ARM core and can make custom peripherals
[06:31:20] <minibnz> yeah we looked at those for work.. they are very interesting chips.. we wanted to put our OCR engine and crypto into it..
[06:31:32] <minibnz> but it wasn't cost effective at the time..
[06:31:37] <minibnz> not for our volumes.
[06:31:37] <TekniQue> and don't need to waste your FPGA space on running some shitty soft core
[06:31:48] <TekniQue> yeah they're about 50 bucks each, not cheap
[06:32:26] <minibnz> we got BBB clones made for $25 delivered.. stripped of all we didnt want and added what we needed.
[06:32:52] <minibnz> 5000 units at a time out of china..
[06:32:55] <TekniQue> I made a board almost 10 years ago using an ARM microcontroller coupled with an Altera FPGA
[06:33:13] <TekniQue> but that only had an SPI bus coupling the two chips
[06:33:22] <TekniQue> passing messages at about 40 megabits/sec
[06:33:49] <minibnz> 10years ago that was poor.. 15years ago that was awesome :)
[06:33:55] <TekniQue> which was enough for the application, but induced some overhead in the programming
[06:33:58] <minibnz> how things have changed....
[06:34:27] <TekniQue> the FPGA was just doing relatively low speed IO
[06:34:42] <TekniQue> controlling ignition timing, etc
[06:34:51] <minibnz> you could probably redo that board with a pic or AVR chip now ;)
[06:34:59] <TekniQue> decoding engine crank angle
[06:35:02] <minibnz> yeah you could..
[06:35:08] <TekniQue> it can be done with an AVR
[06:35:14] <TekniQue> but it won't be pretty
[06:35:29] <TekniQue> because none of these microcontrollers have enough hardware timers
[06:35:40] <minibnz> there are some pics that could do that.. the dsPICs
[06:35:41] <TekniQue> to avoid bit banging excercises
[06:36:36] <TekniQue> I've done it using the NXP LPC2300 ARM chips
[06:36:48] <TekniQue> but it was a bitch to get working because of a design flaw in the timer peripherals
[06:37:12] <TekniQue> which makes it impossible to use the timer outputs in any other way than state toggle
[06:37:33] <minibnz> i ended up bit banging my pwm ot rc servo spindle control. i treid using interupts but it was too glitchy without priorities.. and as it was only 1khz to 44hz its ok to bit bang that :)
[06:37:41] <minibnz> made the code so much simpler..
[06:37:41] <TekniQue> as changing operating mode between set high and set low cannot be done in an atomic way
[06:38:23] <TekniQue> and mode selection shares register with pin states for the timers
[06:39:11] <minibnz> i hit something similar on the pwm board.. the gate on the timer was active low only (others can be inverted) so i had to invert my pin in linuxcnc to get around but thats no biggie..
[06:40:55] <TekniQue> one nice thing on the ARM is that there are two interrupt modes, and each has their own set of registers
[06:41:31] <minibnz> if i make some encoders how many slots should i put in my wheel? 200 so it matches my steppers or more so its matches the linear movement ?
[06:41:40] <TekniQue> so you might have most of your interrupts use one mode, and they can block each other or use nested interrupts
[06:42:30] <TekniQue> and if you have an interrupt source that needs low jitter you can assign that to the other interrupt mode
[06:43:36] <minibnz> thats interesting..
[06:44:03] <TekniQue> and because it has its own stack, its own registers, the latency is very low
[06:45:24] <TekniQue> but I think I want to revisit the design with the FPGA for the IO, I abandoned it because of cost but it performed beautifully
[06:45:46] <TekniQue> it was very nice to be able to have each output channel do its own thing
[06:46:06] <TekniQue> and let the CPU just worry about calculating what the parameters should be
[06:47:54] <minibnz> i have the mesa page open in firefox.. i will be buying one.. its $89 has a par port on there so i can plug in the stepper board and still use it.. then i can use the other port for encoders.
[06:48:47] <minibnz> 17 IO pins per port thats pretty sweet.. more than enough for the plans i has..
[06:49:45] <minibnz> i have just enough now if i want to try using encoders with the par port.. it will be good to see what the speed difference is...
[06:51:33] <minibnz> when you add the encoders you are basically dividng your step loop by three.. if you use Quadrature or by Two if you use just an index pulse. .and thats if you have the encoders matched to your step rate or microstep rate.
[06:53:07] <beikeland> i was wondering about that is that 1/3rd because you add three encoders or just the extra work regardless of number of encoders?
[06:53:09] <minibnz> i saw a page where someone claimed 100ipm with a par port card.. i think that might be fast enough for my machine..
[06:53:56] <minibnz> oh nice spot there beikeland.. it would divide by 3 per encoder added or by two per index added
[06:54:19] <minibnz> so 3 6 9 12 for the 4 axis i have
[06:55:31] <beikeland> ouch. my x/y run at 2500mm/min now, thats about 100ipm. Not all so sure i want to add them encoders after all
[06:55:39] <archivist> encoders dont divide anything
[06:56:13] <minibnz> i thought they slow the rate down due to the need to sample the pins.. i will see if i can find the link i was reading..
[06:56:34] <minibnz> so its the move then check the move that slows things.
[06:56:41] <beikeland> that was my understanding as well, at least with the parallel port
[06:56:46] <archivist> slowing down to read edges on parallel ports is not dividing!
[06:57:26] <minibnz> mesa card is different its move and look at the register with the new value pretty instantly available. at least compared to par port sampling
[06:58:21] <archivist> I do have encoders on a parallel port as it happens
[06:58:45] <minibnz> ok do the encoders slow down the feed rates
[06:59:04] <beikeland> archivist: so what kind of slowdown ratio are you looking at?
[06:59:41] <archivist> no the encoder does not do any thing of the sort, you are using the wrong terms
[06:59:45] <minibnz> thats better way to ask :)
[06:59:58] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/5DMndH8QiI4 lol
[07:00:23] <archivist> there is a maximum edge detection rate on a parallel port
[07:00:28] <minibnz> so are you sayin that the fact the encoders are there any noticable slow down is becasue that its real top speed?
[07:00:46] <archivist> use a lower res encoder to enable higher speeds
[07:02:34] <minibnz> ok next question probably a stupid one.. does it matter if you put the encode on the motor shaft, the gearbox shaft or the bed/slide/head linear movement part?
[07:03:36] <beikeland> I'll add to the stupid one; using lower resolution encoders, wouldn't that lead to errors adding up over time?
[07:03:40] <archivist> on my hobbing machine it is not on the spindle but a later shaft
[07:04:13] <archivist> there is no accumulated errors
[07:04:15] <jthornton> all of my machines the encoders are on the motors
[07:04:46] <archivist> I dont use the index on the hobbing machine so it does not matter
[07:05:01] <beikeland> no accumulated errors if the step size doesn't match the encoder resolution?
[07:05:07] <archivist> my lathe it is on the spindle
[07:05:34] <beikeland> or are you refering to encoder on the spindle only, not xyz?
[07:05:43] <jthornton> well except for my lathe which is on the spindle
[07:05:43] <archivist> no accumulated errors regardless
[07:06:05] <minibnz> ok that makes things easier.. i can get a pcb etched with 200 slots on its edge. use a photo interuppter or two andi will get my quad output.. that should fit on the back of the motors.. i will get 1 encoder pulse per stepper pulse or 1 evert 16 if using microstepping
[07:06:59] <minibnz> put that in a nice case to keep the coolant off them and see what happens from there :)
[07:07:18] <beikeland> huh, i guess i'll try to mount them and see what the end result on feed rates are, some day. Thanks for sheading some light on it archivist!
[07:08:47] <archivist> while I have encoders on parallel, it is not something I recommend
[07:09:18] <jthornton> well now that I think about it and have a half of cup of coffee down all my spindles have the encoder on the spindle not the motor
[07:10:38] <archivist> because I realise there is a max count rate I have meters on me axis screen to make sure I am within limits http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_17_Barber_Colman_cnc/IMG_1830.JPG
[07:10:46] <minibnz> jthornton i understand that.. the drive motor on a spindle spins much faster than the spindle it would lower the cpu over heads. but on the servo's i guess the motors are the better spot.
[07:11:35] <archivist> often the motor is direct drive on a servo system
[07:12:46] <minibnz> nice setup there..
[07:14:28] <archivist> currently slowly rebuilding that onto its original stand with the control under
[07:17:42] <Sync> the problem with the encoder and the motor decoupled is that if you have play or stretch in your connection that your control will get messed up hard
[07:17:59] <minibnz> does linuxcnc support adaptive feedrate with encoders or does it just stop and throw errors?
[07:18:49] <minibnz> Sync thanks.. i wasn thinkg the other way around that it would fix the slop or play.. (backlash)
[07:22:01] <Sync> no, as your motor will oscillate while trying to reach the set point
[07:22:40] <minibnz> ok so keep the backlash settings out of the encoder :)
[07:22:55] <archivist> keep no backlash at all
[07:23:02] <minibnz> i really gotta buy new screws to solve that.. its at 0.52mm atm
[07:23:14] <minibnz> they are on the wish list..
[07:23:57] <minibnz> im trying to find a nice way to power tilt my post..
[07:25:48] <minibnz> do i go a lead screw out the side and have a non linear axis or go a angular actuator..
[07:27:15] <Sync> non linear angles are no problem, as it is just a simple matter of trig
[07:27:44] <cncbasher>
[07:28:16] <Sync>
[07:28:53] <minibnz> that leadscrew out the side might be the way to to get the leverage required to keep a post straight without having to cut a gear that 1m in diamter
[07:35:25] <minibnz> add a pair of gass struts on each side and it might be good.. probably have to use something like a windscreen wiper motor to drive it :)
[07:36:17] <minibnz> it doesnt need to move fast.. or while cutting really..
[07:36:39] <minibnz> cuz then i can grind cutting tools with my A axis :)
[07:47:13] <zeeshan|2> i love linuxcnc!!!!!!!!!!
[07:47:20] <zeeshan|2> machines been running all night
[07:47:26] <zeeshan|2> and still is running this morning
[07:47:34] <XXCoder> nice
[07:47:37] <zeeshan|2> first time ive trusted it to do that
[07:47:58] <minibnz> heehehh nice :) i left my mill run for the first time the other day while i went and visited my mate.. it was all happy :)
[07:48:22] <zeeshan|2> ive left it alone for a couple hours
[07:48:24] <zeeshan|2> jus tnever overnight
[07:48:41] <minibnz> but then today the mosfet for my coolant pump locked on and i could smell the magic smoke comming out :(
[07:48:58] <zeeshan|2> use a vfd :P
[07:49:32] <minibnz> i am building a new breakout board soon :)
[07:49:53] <minibnz> once i settle on what i have to drive..
[07:50:31] <minibnz> and when i get some spare $$$ im upgrading to a mesa board so that will probably help alot.. but time $$$ :(
[07:50:44] <zeeshan|2> =D
[07:50:54] <zeeshan|2> those mesa boards are cheap
[07:50:59] <zeeshan|2> they paid for themself firs tthe first side job
[07:51:08] <minibnz> got no job at the moment and savings are starting to deplete so i gotta pull my finger out and start looking :)
[07:51:15] <zeeshan|2> ah
[07:51:18] <zeeshan|2> that's a diff situation
[07:51:30] <zeeshan|2> i go into complete bunker mode if im jobless
[07:51:49] <minibnz> yeah old work shut shop on 18th dec been catching up on stuff as much as i can without spending $$$ :)
[07:52:04] <zeeshan|2> =/
[07:52:12] * jthornton hasn't had a "job" in a long time
[07:53:08] <minibnz> been 6 weeks that should be enough of a holiday :).. compnay was a startup funded off oil money and the price dropped to 1/3rd so we all got the arse :( but i got a lot of goodies out of the deal.. nice 4 chan cro and my desktop and a bunch of other stuff.
[07:54:16] <zeeshan|2> keep looking man
[07:54:25] <zeeshan|2> ive been thru something similar :P
[07:54:26] <minibnz> i havent really started yet :(
[07:54:28] <zeeshan|2> very recently
[07:54:40] <zeeshan|2> but things are looking up now
[07:54:45] <minibnz> its happened before third time with this group :) 0
[07:55:15] <jthornton> zeeshan|2: hows the suburu coming along?
[07:55:21] <minibnz> my gravy train has finally come to an end.. for the last few years it seems like all i have done is watched youtube..
[07:55:25] <zeeshan|2> jthornton: haha i haven't even touched it yet
[07:55:32] <zeeshan|2> i'm trying to finish all these jobs before i do
[07:55:38] <zeeshan|2> i've stopped taking on any new jobs
[07:55:47] <minibnz> got paid far too much and was asked to do so little it wasnt worth looking for another job :)
[07:55:50] <zeeshan|2> i think i'll be in a position to look at the subie by friday of next week
[07:56:01] <zeeshan|2> if i run my machine overnight everyday till then
[07:56:06] <zeeshan|2> and while im at work
[07:56:08] <jthornton> what are you making
[07:56:15] <minibnz> money?
[07:56:18] <zeeshan|2> those vape thingies
[07:56:23] <zeeshan|2> and then a sculpture
[07:56:33] <zeeshan|2> which requires a 15 hour surfacing program
[07:56:34] <zeeshan|2> lol
[07:56:42] <minibnz> damnn
[07:56:42] <zeeshan|2> at least thats what cam is saying
[07:56:48] <jthornton> ah yea an overnight job for sure
[07:56:48] <archivist> that machine is better than "vape thingies" !!!
[07:57:30] <zeeshan|2> lol
[07:58:41] <minibnz> i wish my machines can make me money.. all they do is save me money if that. :)
[07:58:50] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/cmxNeah.jpg
[07:58:53] <zeeshan|2> some action shots
[07:58:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/sONt5eL.jpg
[07:59:10] <minibnz> nice chip collector...
[07:59:18] <zeeshan|2> i hate wood mix
[07:59:22] <zeeshan|2> it goes everywhere
[07:59:24] <zeeshan|2> the plastic helps :P
[07:59:31] <gregcnc> it will run longer unless CAM knows your accel rates
[07:59:33] <minibnz> oh its wood..
[07:59:36] <gregcnc> shopvac?
[07:59:42] <minibnz> thats as bad as plastic...
[07:59:58] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: shop vac builds up charge if you leave it alone for long periods
[08:00:02] <zeeshan|2> and fills up
[08:00:15] <minibnz> my coolant pump sounds like something got into it.. i really needed filter :)..
[08:00:17] <zeeshan|2> (ask me how i know)
[08:00:18] <gregcnc> ground it
[08:00:39] <zeeshan|2> minibnz: some of these are plastic-wood hybrids
[08:00:39] <minibnz> static strap like your moms car..
[08:00:42] <zeeshan|2> the plastic flies everywhere
[08:01:20] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: for some reason i dont trust the shop vac running all night
[08:01:23] <zeeshan|2> but i do trust the cnc machine
[08:01:23] <zeeshan|2> haha
[08:01:30] <zeeshan|2> i'd want a proper dust collector
[08:01:31] <minibnz> i have a cabinet so its everywhere inside that.. and a little outside. that probably came off my hands :)
[08:02:06] <Tom_itx> morning
[08:02:07] <gregcnc> and get a dust deputy, my shop vac must have several hundred hours, I'm wondering when the brushess will wear out
[08:02:13] <zeeshan|2> morning
[08:02:25] <zeeshan|2> i have a dust deputy
[08:02:35] <jthornton> I have a dust deputy on the blasting box
[08:02:49] <zeeshan|2> jthornton: trg actually sent it to me
[08:02:50] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[08:03:12] <gregcnc> bigger dust collector will move much more air than a shop vac.
[08:03:21] <jthornton> I still need to make the bigger blasting box :(
[08:03:48] <zeeshan|2> one project at a time
[08:03:48] <zeeshan|2> :D
[08:04:05] <zeeshan|2> i've stressed myself out over the last couple of months and ive come to an ultimatium
[08:04:15] <zeeshan|2> i can no longer have more than 3 active projects on the go.
[08:04:18] <zeeshan|2> this includes customer jobs
[08:04:29] <jthornton> yea, getting all those giant trees out of my new building is on top now
[08:04:40] <zeeshan|2> you have trees in the building?!
[08:05:04] <jthornton> well until I get the trees out and flatten it I can't have a building
[08:05:11] <zeeshan|2> haha
[08:05:27] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 those are like new year res... they're meant to be broken
[08:05:59] <jthornton> how can you tell if eth0 or eth1 is on the mother board?
[08:06:10] <Tom_itx> bios
[08:06:18] <minibnz> ifconfig
[08:06:53] <minibnz> have one with cable one without
[08:06:53] <jthornton> IFCONFIG command is deprecated and replaced by IP command in Linux
[08:07:01] <minibnz> ok
[08:07:07] <Tom_itx> really?
[08:07:47] <jthornton> that's what it says on the internet so it must be true
[08:08:21] <archivist> but https://xkcd.com/386/
[08:08:28] <Tom_itx> the internet was started by a politician
[08:08:31] <Tom_itx> go figure
[08:09:13] <jthornton> lol
[08:09:43] <jthornton> ifconfig reports that I have both eth0 and eth1 on j1900 but there is only one port
[08:10:05] <Tom_itx> no header pins etc for another?
[08:10:21] <Tom_itx> does the bios have settings for one or two?
[08:10:32] <jthornton> let me boot and see
[08:10:32] <minibnz> and if you plug a cable in does any flags change?
[08:12:48] <jthornton> yes it has two onboard lan controllers
[08:13:30] <Tom_itx> did they not bring one out to a plug?
[08:13:52] <jthornton> looking
[08:14:23] <jthornton> well I'll be there are two lan plugs on it
[08:14:25] <Tom_itx> that would be a little silly
[08:14:28] <zeeshan|2> is there anyway to keep the mesa tracking the encoders
[08:14:32] <zeeshan|2> w/ the computer off?
[08:14:40] <zeeshan|2> (ie thru battery power)
[08:14:58] <Tom_itx> i doubt it
[08:15:01] <_methods> well they may have a 2nd port on same board for more expensive model or one with ipmi
[08:15:04] <zeeshan|2> now that'd be super useful
[08:15:06] <Tom_itx> since mesa relies on the pc for control
[08:15:15] <_methods> but just leave port off for the budget version or something
[08:15:39] <minibnz> hmm you might be able to.. but it will probably require hacking.. it says there is a 5v output for daughter cards maybe a battery can be a daughter board?
[08:15:57] <zeeshan|2> minibnz: but i think tom has a point
[08:16:06] <zeeshan|2> cause the cards expect a signal from linuxcnc
[08:16:09] <zeeshan|2> or they go into shutdown
[08:16:37] <minibnz> but wont the fpga just keep running or does it need the motherboard to provide a clock?
[08:16:40] <zeeshan|2> i kind of want to leave my machine on ALL the time
[08:16:48] <zeeshan|2> im thinking what the best approach is
[08:16:57] <jthornton> absolute encoders will
[08:17:04] <minibnz> you might also have to keep the 5v from getting to the motherboard and powering that..
[08:17:34] <zeeshan|2> i think with the way ive got it wired, i can leave the computer on
[08:17:45] <zeeshan|2> and press -e-stop and all the drives will go off
[08:17:53] <zeeshan|2> but the case fans will continue to run, which is what i dont want
[08:17:57] <minibnz> thats how mine is sitting now.
[08:18:08] <jthornton> on my CHNC I leave the computer on all the time but kill the power to the drives when I'm done with a job
[08:18:15] <zeeshan|2> ah jthornton
[08:18:16] <minibnz> and all last night and probably unless i dont plan on milling stuff..
[08:18:22] <zeeshan|2> do your fans continue to run?
[08:18:48] <jthornton> yea to keep the power supply cool
[08:19:21] <minibnz> mine do slow down and speed up with temp.. and at the moment the case fan is too small so it doesnt stop but wuld if i t could get rid of all the hot air..
[08:19:37] <zeeshan|2> advanced fans :P
[08:19:39] <zeeshan|2> these are 240v fans
[08:19:51] <jthornton> for the el cabinet?
[08:19:55] <zeeshan|2> yes
[08:20:21] <minibnz> i need to add a cabinet fan.. it getting quite warm in there
[08:20:50] <minibnz> also have to cut a hole for the 240v power cables so they dont drop into the coolant puddle :0
[08:21:09] <jthornton> on the CHCN the PC is plugged into the wall so I can pull the one arm bandit to kill the machine
[08:21:55] <jthornton> and the PC stays running
[08:21:56] <minibnz> i have to press F2 to stop my mill.. if i use the big button i will loose a cutter
[08:22:16] <minibnz> teh big button only stops the spindle..
[08:22:35] <minibnz> need to link that to linuxcnc.
[08:22:47] <zeeshan|2> ah
[08:23:16] <Tom_itx> why do you want the fans off?
[08:23:22] <minibnz> also gotta replace some wires with sheilded cables so they dont pick up noise..
[08:23:33] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: just to the servo/vfd drive cabinet
[08:23:38] <zeeshan|2> no ned for them to run
[08:23:41] <minibnz> when its not working it would be nice if it was quite..
[08:23:53] <Tom_itx> put them on a relay to the drive power
[08:24:07] <minibnz> slap a thermostat in there :)
[08:24:32] <minibnz> i think the mesa has a analog input use that as a temp sensor :)
[08:25:26] <minibnz> oh nope.. it only has analog out.. my bad..
[08:25:39] <zeeshan|2> i like the idea to tie fans w/ the drive.
[08:25:46] <zeeshan|2> its easier for me to implement ithink
[08:25:56] <zeeshan|2> causew its a matter of just using the spindle vfd's output
[08:25:59] <zeeshan|2> but if the spindle vfd dies
[08:26:02] <zeeshan|2> then the fans go off :P
[08:26:13] <minibnz> so it wont fan the fire :)
[08:26:38] <zeeshan|2> thermostat would work well too
[08:26:42] <zeeshan|2> but might cycle the fans too much
[08:26:57] <zeeshan|2> a switch could work
[08:27:04] <zeeshan|2> but human error noob prevents that
[08:27:07] <minibnz> arduino?
[08:27:08] <zeeshan|2> ill forget to turn em on
[08:27:28] <zeeshan|2> easiest solution
[08:27:30] <zeeshan|2> leave em running
[08:27:33] <zeeshan|2> when they die , replace
[08:27:34] <zeeshan|2> :D
[08:27:57] <minibnz> you can have the HAL turn the arduino on and have it do all the work.. via usb without wasting a prescious IO pin
[08:28:07] <zeeshan|2> i have like 20 free
[08:28:07] <zeeshan|2> :P
[08:28:07] <Tom_itx> fill the cabinet with oil and you won't have to worry about cooling
[08:28:59] <minibnz> ok two thermostats that feed to your mesa and one more pin to drive the fan :)
[08:29:19] <minibnz> we can use up those 20 real quick :)
[08:29:29] <minibnz> as long as we dont try :)
[08:31:16] <minibnz> i could feed the coolant thru the pc box then to the cutter to rip out some heat easy :)
[08:31:43] <Tom_itx> coolant isn't oil in all cases
[08:32:10] <minibnz> i am using soluable oil in water :) about 15:1 ratio
[08:32:42] <Tom_itx> you go ahead and try that then
[08:32:48] <minibnz> hehehh
[08:38:04] <jthornton> hmm, I'm missing some step apt-get says mesaflash can't be found...
[08:38:22] <minibnz> sudo apt-get update
[08:38:41] <minibnz> then apt-cache search mesa
[08:39:21] <minibnz> if its still not there then you might have to find the PPA for the repo
[08:39:57] <jthornton> I didn't have to do that last time...
[08:40:29] <mozmck> jthornton: is this a wheezy install?
[08:40:55] <jthornton> no, linux mint
[08:41:30] <mozmck> Ah. Are you using my packages? I didn't think to upload the mesaflash package
[08:43:43] <mozmck> jthornton: I just uploaded a mesaflash 3.2.0 package
[08:47:13] <jthornton> I've installed it before with just apt-get install mesaflash
[08:48:16] <mozmck> For that to work, you have to have a repository in your sources that has mesaflash in it. You probably had the linuxcnc.org repository in the sources.
[08:48:39] <jthornton> I think I need to add the key
[08:50:39] <jthornton> got it, I had to add a repository like you said
[08:51:27] <minibnz> yay i got one right :)
[08:52:26] <mozmck> jthornton: so what packages are you using? did you try mine?
[08:53:44] <jthornton> I get so confused about which package I'm using I've installed so many over the last few weeks, but I think I'm using your linuxcnc packages
[08:54:09] <mozmck> heh :-)
[08:54:27] * Tom_itx plugs jthornton's ethernet into the phone jack
[08:54:58] <mozmck> need a hammer for that.
[08:57:46] <jthornton> I had the 7i92 up and working on wheezy and now trying it on linux mint
[08:58:55] <mozmck> I use it on xubuntu 14.04 every day, and mint quite a bit as that is my main desktop machine.
[08:59:08] <jthornton> and now it is working on linux mint
[08:59:34] <jthornton> for some reason I could not restart the network from the command line and had to reboot
[09:00:27] <jthornton> breakfast time now
[09:00:58] <g0nzo_cnc> quick basic hal ini file\question... If the units are mm, would the SCALE param be scaled as mm?
[09:00:59] <Tom_itx> brunch
[09:01:11] <jthornton> aye
[09:01:25] * Tom_itx finally cleared the desk of paperwork
[09:01:43] * jthornton needs to do that bad, only one tiny spot left
[09:01:54] <g0nzo_cnc> so\where the text shows # scale is 200 steps/rev * 5 revs/inch
[09:02:03] <Tom_itx> i've gotta rewrite some code now
[09:02:16] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna start taking cc via phone with the square
[09:02:28] <Tom_itx> gotta add that to the program
[09:02:59] <jthornton> what is square?
[09:03:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You know the whole purpose is to be "card present" right? lol
[09:04:12] <Tom_itx> jthornton, https://squareup.com/
[09:05:02] <Tom_itx> takes swipe, chip or 'touch'
[09:06:00] <Tom_itx> 2.75%
[09:06:39] <jthornton> how much is paypal?
[09:06:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you mised the first part... Start at 2.75%
[09:06:48] <Tom_itx> more
[09:07:53] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, no i read it
[09:08:09] <Jymmm> PayPal Heretm card reader - 2.7% when you swipe a card or 3.5% plus $0.15 for manually entered transactions
[09:08:13] <Tom_itx> i think it's one of the more economical ones
[09:08:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you better chec the manually entered fees
[09:08:46] <Tom_itx> i saw that as well
[09:09:06] <Tom_itx> i'm sorry sir, your card is fucked up... pay me cash
[09:09:46] <Jymmm> PP in general is 2.9% + $0.30 per sale
[09:10:14] <Tom_itx> intuit isn't any better
[09:11:12] <Tom_itx> https://www.nationalbankcard.com/credit-card-processing/credit-card-swiper/?keyword=card%20swiper&utm_medium=cpc&ad_type=+Andriod&utm_av=12&utm_enum=2&utm_keyword=card%20swiper&gclid=CObIp7Ww48oCFQ-raQod-1cMRQ&kshid=p.2712.8a52ef4c-b1b6-4b49-93b9-1629c5f3d26d.cr1061220&mm_keyword=card%20swiper&mm_campaign=4d85271cbcde6b17bf8e7e9e01305dbb&utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=Swiper&mm_replace=TRUE
[09:11:13] <Tom_itx> haha
[09:14:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/square-vs-intuit-gopayment-vs-paypal-here-mobile-credit-card-processors/
[09:18:50] <zeeshan|2> Fak.
[09:18:54] <zeeshan|2> i set one of my offsets wrong
[09:19:06] <zeeshan|2> everythings out by 1875
[09:19:08] <zeeshan|2> .1875
[09:19:17] <Roguish> hey all. what does anyone use to tranfer files to/from a pc to a Haas (or other) mill controller in the linux world ????
[09:19:17] <zeeshan|2> luckily more material is left :D
[09:19:23] <zeeshan|2> but what a awaste of time
[09:19:31] <zeeshan|2> Roguish: usb
[09:19:34] <zeeshan|2> or dropbox thru internet
[09:19:36] <zeeshan|2> or lan
[09:19:48] <zeeshan|2> (for linuxcnc :D
[09:20:03] <Roguish> 20 year old Haas only has serial port.
[09:20:34] <Roguish> in windows, there's Hyperterminal, an lots of others. What about Linux ???
[09:21:22] <zeeshan|2> just use console
[09:21:36] <zeeshan|2> for example
[09:21:45] <zeeshan|2> stty -F /dev/ttyS0 speed 19200 cs8 -cstopb -parenb
[09:21:45] <zeeshan|2> then
[09:21:58] <zeeshan|2> echo 'why hello there! ' > /dev/ttyS0
[09:22:08] <Roguish> OK, so it's ssty ?
[09:22:20] <mozmck> Roguish: there are quite a few terminal programs, but some seemed pretty buggy last I used them.
[09:24:05] <Jymmm> Roguish: screen /dev/ttyS0 19200
[09:26:15] <Roguish> thanks. i'll look up ssty and screen and go from there.
[09:26:51] <mozmck> There are also cutecom, gtkterm, and others.
[09:27:00] <Jymmm> minicom
[09:27:37] <Roguish> just did quick search and got this: https://opensource.com/life/15/11/top-open-source-terminal-emulators
[09:28:12] <Frank__2> :D
[09:28:44] <Roguish> also see xfce4-terminal and gnome-terminal
[09:28:46] <mozmck> Roguish: I guess those can connect to a serial port, but I'm not sure.
[09:29:06] <mozmck> cutecom, gtkterm, minicom, and others are made for serial port comm
[09:29:36] <Roguish> lxterminal and Terminology
[09:30:09] <Roguish> I'll get it figured. now I have a direction. thanks guys.
[09:36:23] <Frank__2> anybody knows if its ok to use broken taps on already started threads to finish the tapping? i bought a machine tap 6x1mm and started by hand to get them straight, it broke, but now i have all the holes with started threads, i tryed to finish one with the that same tapp and it worked fine as fas as looks, maybe someone can chime in some experience you know.. :D thanks
[09:37:09] <Roguish> a little very careful grinding and you might make it work. it's all about the cutting edges.
[09:38:20] <pink_vampire> what to do? http://i.imgur.com/tZlB9eB.png
[09:38:30] <Frank__2> awesome! should i do it by hand or with the drill?
[09:38:45] <Frank__2> linux :D ?
[09:38:52] <Roguish> more control and feel 'by hand'
[09:39:08] <gregcnc> Which program is using all processors?
[09:39:15] <Roguish> slow and easy. don't rush it. use lots of juice.
[09:39:50] <pink_vampire> rendering on solidworks
[09:40:26] <pink_vampire> and it's not going to be the best renderer...
[09:40:48] <JT-Shop> make one little config error and you wake up confused
[09:41:34] <Roguish> pink_vampire: at least it's running parallel. some codes limit the number of cores, like Ansys.
[09:41:42] <gregcnc> oh yeah. i don't render much. but I have i7 3.5gHz and 16Gb.
[09:42:08] <pink_vampire> this is Q9650 8GB ram
[09:42:27] <pink_vampire> did you saw the up time?
[09:42:42] <pink_vampire> 112 days!
[09:42:49] <pink_vampire> windows 7!
[09:42:55] <Roguish> i have a dual zeon six core (12 total cores) with 32GB ram and have seen it pegged.
[09:42:59] <_methods> Roguish: http://www.denfordata.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2934
[09:43:13] <_methods> i think that guy made a dnc program but no drip feed function
[09:43:24] <Roguish> _methods. thanks.
[09:43:33] <PetefromTn_> jeez thats nutz
[09:43:37] <_methods> np
[09:43:54] <_methods> i've never used it before but it runs on linux and transfers programs supposedly
[09:44:03] <gregcnc> Shoot Firefox crashes on a regular basis so I reboot almost daily
[09:45:41] <zeeshan|2> Roguish: what?
[09:45:45] <zeeshan|2> use parallel mpi
[09:45:48] <zeeshan|2> and it'll use all your cores
[09:45:58] <zeeshan|2> shit itll even allow you to send the job off to multiple computerrs
[09:46:17] <Roguish> sorry, that's info is for windows programs, not linux code.
[09:46:33] <zeeshan|2> it does this in windows
[09:46:35] <Jymmm> gregcnc: FF doesn't crash on a regular basis, just gets funky at random. Though I did have 103 tabs open, now down to 47 open
[09:46:58] <zeeshan|2> https://www.sharcnet.ca/Software/Ansys/16.0/en-us/help/ai_instl/inst_setupdan.html
[09:47:18] <zeeshan|2> you really need this for fluid simulations
[09:47:29] <zeeshan|2> finite volume is so computer hoggy
[09:47:30] <beikeland> On the topic of computer hardware, anyone have any experience with Intel vPro and linuxcnc? (its intel low cost out of band remote management interface)
[09:48:00] <_methods> oh it's for windows?
[09:48:03] <gregcnc> yeah, I have probably a couple hundred open but only a few loaded. I get graphics in FF failing then the plugin container failed message
[09:48:06] <_methods> i thought it said linux on it
[09:48:41] <PetefromTn_> why the hell would you need to many tabs open at once?
[09:49:08] <gregcnc> I collect FF tabs. don't judge me
[09:49:19] <Jymmm> what he said
[09:49:23] <PetefromTn_> hehe not judging just puzzled
[09:50:18] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: i find firefox is very unstable
[09:50:18] <beikeland> i'm a tab junkie too, but chrome is my prefered poison now. Its like "just one more won't hurt right?"
[09:50:20] <zeeshan|2> ive started using chrome
[09:50:22] <zeeshan|2> and im happy w/ it
[09:50:39] <gregcnc> when researching something I just leave them open instead of bookmarking
[09:50:53] <PetefromTn_> I use Chrome as well on my PC and my phone
[09:51:35] <gregcnc> I use Chrome some, threatened to switch usage completely a couple weeks ago.
[09:51:40] <Roguish> chrome is ok. it's just by The Evil Empire.................
[09:51:56] <PetefromTn_> yup sure is
[09:52:00] <pink_vampire> I'm with my cute firefox
[09:52:25] <__rob> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/end-mills/7369404/
[09:52:30] <__rob> anyone got an opinion on these
[09:52:31] <Roguish> hey pink_vampire, got any more photos of that new mill ?
[09:52:32] <__rob> for alluminium
[09:53:01] <Jymmm> NS4.7 FTW!!!
[09:53:12] <zeeshan|2> __rob: looks good
[09:53:26] <pink_vampire> Roguish: what new mill?
[09:53:27] <PetefromTn_> I personally don't like coated carbides for aluminum
[09:53:34] <zeeshan|2> best cutters are 3 flute
[09:53:36] <zeeshan|2> uncuoated
[09:53:43] <zeeshan|2> and serrated edges
[09:53:47] <zeeshan|2> they eat aluminum yum yum
[09:53:49] <Roguish> didn't you post some photos of a mill the other day?
[09:54:11] <pink_vampire> the G0704?
[09:54:14] <pink_vampire> yes.
[09:54:17] <Roguish> yeah
[09:54:17] <__rob> PetefromTn_ thats not carbide
[09:54:21] <PetefromTn_> for aluminum I like high helix 3 flute or 2 flute if your spindle has the speed. Uncoated
[09:54:33] <__rob> my spindle is only 6k rpm
[09:54:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine too
[09:54:52] <pink_vampire> the computer render now the final design for the electrical control panel
[09:54:56] <zeeshan|2> thats almost double mine :(
[09:54:57] <PetefromTn_> which is why I choose the 3 flutes
[09:54:58] <__rob> what exactly is a high helix meant to do
[09:55:01] <__rob> I run flood coolant
[09:55:14] <__rob> and thats been fine so far with both 2 flute and 4 flute on ally
[09:55:32] <Roguish> why helix instead of straight tooth?
[09:55:38] <__rob> even with large cuts on the 4 flute
[09:55:42] <Roguish> less chatter?
[09:55:44] <PetefromTn_> seems to me like they pull chips out faster
[09:55:45] <__rob> doesn't seem to get clogged up
[09:55:47] <pink_vampire> where did you get the 3F hight helix?
[09:56:10] <PetefromTn_> there are many places that sell them
[09:56:21] <__rob> http://www.shop-apt.co.uk/end-mills-for-aluminium-standard-length-3-flute-55-helix-uncoated-carbide.html
[09:56:26] <__rob> these were some others I was looking at
[09:56:27] <gregcnc> high helix throws chips up more, but actually uses more spindle power and more
[09:56:32] <gregcnc> heat
[09:57:02] <PetefromTn_> thats not my experience
[09:57:12] <__rob> those are not that cheap tho
[09:57:14] <__rob> in comparison
[09:57:34] <pink_vampire> I need low helix?
[09:58:45] <_methods> high helix gives a better finish
[09:58:53] <_methods> usually used for light finish passes
[09:59:10] <PetefromTn_> https://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-End-Mills-Finishers-Square-End-3-Flute-High-Helix/c78_79_80_201/index.html
[09:59:47] <__rob> _methods, is that just due to the number of cuts per revolution ?
[10:00:07] <_methods> well personally i've never noticed much of a difference
[10:00:10] <PetefromTn_> I am no expert but honestly I use them for both roughing and finishing
[10:00:12] <__rob> i was under the impression that more flutes gives a better finish
[10:00:18] <__rob> so I've been using 4 flute for finish pass
[10:00:27] <__rob> and 2 flutes for removal
[10:00:35] <__rob> so it doesn't get clogged up
[10:00:48] <_methods> i use 2 flute for all alum
[10:00:50] <gregcnc> not more flutes, but smaller feed per tooth give better finish (in theory)
[10:01:03] <_methods> unless it's some fine surface i need then i'll use a 3fl for finish pass
[10:01:08] <__rob> right, so I guess that works out the same for twice the feed and twice the flutes
[10:01:12] <PetefromTn_> I should also not that MOST of the parts I make are aluminum
[10:01:18] <pink_vampire> I don't have the rpm for that :(
[10:01:53] <gregcnc> RPM for what?
[10:02:03] <__rob> from what i've read the reason not to use 4 flute on ally was chip clearing
[10:02:23] <_methods> yeah 4fl will gall up quick
[10:02:26] <__rob> so on finish as the actual material rate is so much smaller this should be better finish?
[10:02:33] <__rob> and not clog
[10:02:35] <_methods> you can use them but you just have to be conservative
[10:02:36] <pink_vampire> I can go up to 1,000 rpm
[10:02:49] <__rob> _methods, yea - only on finish pass I am talking about
[10:02:51] <_methods> and flood like hell
[10:03:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah you gotta get the chips out
[10:03:06] <_methods> yeah i 4fl should be fine for light finish passes
[10:03:27] <_methods> i just would go blind slotting or anything
[10:03:41] <_methods> that's a recipe for a 0fl endmill lol
[10:03:54] <gregcnc> people are using multi flute to finish aluminum, like 5-10 flutes when RPM limited
[10:03:56] <_methods> heheh aluminum coated end mill
[10:04:01] <PetefromTn_> I just picked up some 4 flute TiALn coated carbide variables from Maritool....they are for some steel parts I am making and they look pretty good. gonna be testing them today ;)
[10:04:50] <__rob> what would be nice is same condition videos of all these end mills running
[10:05:03] <__rob> like they do for womens dresses and catwalks on some shopping sites :)
[10:05:34] <_methods> yeah it's hard to find impartial comparisons of end mills
[10:05:36] <PetefromTn_> this is why I like the 3 flute cutters they can slot and pocket almost as good as the 2 flutes and still have enough flutes so I can run a bit faster with my slowish 6k spindle
[10:06:08] <_methods> i've just stuck with hanita varimills for years
[10:06:22] <pink_vampire> PetefromTn_: I have 1K spindle.
[10:06:26] <PetefromTn_> hanita is decent
[10:06:31] <PetefromTn_> pink_vampire why?
[10:06:35] <gregcnc> The thing to pay attention to is feed per tooth and chip clearing. More flutes lets you get more done, but you can't slot with them. RPM doesn't change this.
[10:06:42] <_methods> well they were the first ones with the varimill design
[10:07:01] <PetefromTn_> those YG1 V7's are quite good
[10:07:02] <pink_vampire> beacuse this is what the spindle speed...
[10:07:08] <_methods> yeah yg1 makes good stuff
[10:07:19] <_methods> their drills are my go to drills
[10:07:19] <PetefromTn_> the local shops use them a LOT
[10:07:24] <_methods> yg1 dream drills
[10:07:29] <_methods> OSG for taps
[10:07:34] <_methods> and hanita for end mills
[10:07:37] <PetefromTn_> and they wear well in harder materials
[10:07:38] <_methods> sandvik for inserts
[10:07:48] <_methods> those are my usual suspects
[10:08:21] <PetefromTn_> guhring? makes good drills
[10:08:38] <_methods> i use walter titex for long drills
[10:08:47] <_methods> 25xd or larger
[10:09:36] <_methods> but for up to 25xd i just stick to yg1
[10:10:05] <PetefromTn_> nice
[10:10:08] <_methods> definitely not hobbyist price levels though
[10:10:17] <PetefromTn_> no definitely not
[10:10:17] <_methods> at the house i use whatever i can find lol
[10:10:19] <__rob> what is t in mm/t
[10:10:28] <PetefromTn_> turn?
[10:10:32] <__rob> ohh doh
[10:10:32] <__rob> yea
[10:10:35] <gregcnc> tooth
[10:10:45] <PetefromTn_> or tooth for mill I guess
[10:10:47] <gregcnc> if talking emdilss
[10:10:53] <__rob> yea, it will be tooth
[10:10:54] <__rob> http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0f8a/0900766b80f8a41d.pdf
[10:10:56] <__rob> from this
[10:10:59] <gregcnc> or end mills
[10:12:34] <PetefromTn_> I got a couple of single flute engravers finally from Bitsandbits company
[10:13:08] <PetefromTn_> I ordered the same .020 tip but I may have gotten the wrong tip angle because they look kinda fragile and not because they are italian LOL
[10:15:02] <zeeshan|2> gotta be careful with high helix cutters
[10:15:09] <zeeshan|2> they have a higher tendency to pull out of the tool holder :D
[10:15:17] <zeeshan|2> grabby bastards
[10:15:32] <PetefromTn_> only on a tormach right ;)
[10:15:35] <archivist> some wimp not tightened them!
[10:15:36] <zeeshan|2> haha exactly man!
[10:15:47] <zeeshan|2> r8 spindle
[10:15:48] <zeeshan|2> pssh
[10:15:48] <zeeshan|2> haha
[10:16:08] <PetefromTn_> I am an unabashed hamfist tool tightener
[10:16:29] <zeeshan|2> i have like an 8" long 5mm t-handle im using to tighten my fixtures right now
[10:16:33] <zeeshan|2> i want to use an impact driver
[10:16:42] <PetefromTn_> I almost pull my welding table around the shop tightening my toolholders LOL
[10:16:47] <zeeshan|2> do they make hex keys for impact drivers?
[10:16:50] <zeeshan|2> in that length?
[10:16:56] <archivist> I get bits sliding out the dremel
[10:17:18] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[10:17:19] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: thats cause you didnt get that epic welding table!
[10:17:20] <zeeshan|2> !!!
[10:17:29] <PetefromTn_> I was at work the other day
[10:17:46] <PetefromTn_> and I was running my die grinder with one of their larger carbide burrs
[10:17:58] <zeeshan|2> i can see where this is going
[10:17:59] <PetefromTn_> and I was grinding the lips of where a tube went into another tube
[10:18:00] <zeeshan|2> !
[10:18:03] <__rob> hmm, working out from that datasheet their recomended rpm and feed rate. They spec 3000 rpm and 0.025-0.035 mm/t so 3 flutes thats about 0.09 mm/revolution, so at 3000 rpm thats only 270mm per min
[10:18:14] <__rob> seems pretty slow, no ?
[10:18:17] <__rob> with 10mm end mill
[10:18:22] <PetefromTn_> putting the force to it suddenly that bit came right out of the tool LOL
[10:18:26] <zeeshan|2> i dont understand your savage units!
[10:18:30] <PetefromTn_> went flying across the damn shop
[10:18:33] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: shit
[10:18:34] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:18:59] <__rob> 10.5 inches per minute
[10:19:08] <PetefromTn_> I'm just lucky it did not hit any of those pretty paint jobs LOL
[10:19:40] <_methods> where does this 3000rpm come from?
[10:19:50] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[10:19:56] <_methods> they don't supply cutting speed in surface m/min?
[10:19:58] <__rob> they say Cutting speed
[10:20:04] <__rob> in m/min
[10:20:09] <__rob> 100-150
[10:20:11] <_methods> ok
[10:20:19] <__rob> seems thats around 3000 rpm
[10:20:21] <zeeshan|2> rob a 10mm cutter
[10:20:27] <zeeshan|2> if youre doing say .375 doc
[10:20:33] <zeeshan|2> can easily do 20-25 ipm in aluminum
[10:20:43] <zeeshan|2> as long as you got your chip evac and some sort of lube going
[10:20:53] <__rob> yea, just wondering why they spec that so slow
[10:20:54] <_methods> k
[10:21:10] <_methods> for a carbide end mill that does seem quite slow
[10:21:11] <zeeshan|2> conservative starting value
[10:21:38] <zeeshan|2> robs to give you an idea how far the numbers were off for my setup
[10:21:40] <zeeshan|2> its crazy.
[10:21:50] <zeeshan|2> they recommended basically what worked out to 3000 rpm, 18 ipm
[10:21:56] <zeeshan|2> im running at 45 ipm right now
[10:21:58] <zeeshan|2> at the same rpm
[10:22:00] <__rob> right, so I guess dial in the datasheet value and keep working up
[10:22:11] <__rob> till it get any chatter etc..
[10:22:15] <_methods> yeah the datasheet is usually just a starting point
[10:22:20] <zeeshan|2> have been using the same cutter in wood/polymer crap for like 150 parts
[10:22:36] <zeeshan|2> cutter has seen 300 hours
[10:23:38] <zeeshan|2> anyone know?!?!
[10:23:41] <zeeshan|2> about the hex keys?
[10:23:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah when you are cutting ally or wood cutters last and last unless you screw up LOL
[10:24:15] <__rob> zeeshan|2 I have a box are large hex keys
[10:24:19] <__rob> for a driver
[10:24:25] <zeeshan|2> yes
[10:24:29] <zeeshan|2> but how do you attach it to the impact driver
[10:24:31] <zeeshan|2> they uise a 1/4" hex
[10:24:50] <__rob> these are premounted in a socket that goes down to 1/4" hex
[10:25:09] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/261991521522-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
[10:25:12] <zeeshan|2> i have something similar to these
[10:25:13] <__rob> well then you can adapt from that for hte driver
[10:25:15] <zeeshan|2> for my regular auto stuff
[10:25:18] <zeeshan|2> but they're 3/8 drive
[10:25:23] <__rob> 1/4 inch hex to regular hex size
[10:25:24] <zeeshan|2> i need some sort of dapter
[10:25:33] <__rob> sorry 1/4 inch square to hex
[10:25:48] <__rob> yes, in the Uk you can get at any hardware place
[10:26:06] <__rob> http://www.thatcable.com/img/products/toolstream/371757.jpg
[10:26:09] <__rob> that sort of thing
[10:26:28] <zeeshan|2> okay i see the left side of that going in the impact driver
[10:26:35] <PetefromTn_> you should just turn an adapter on your big CNC lathe and use a floating broach to hex it out and then harden it in your hardening oven ;)
[10:26:38] <zeeshan|2> but the right side wouldnt fit in a 3/8 socket
[10:26:42] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: no lathe
[10:26:42] <zeeshan|2> :D
[10:26:47] <zeeshan|2> >:(
[10:26:55] <PetefromTn_> I feel your pain :D
[10:27:17] <__rob> zeeshan you can normally adapt from whatever to whatever
[10:27:17] <__rob> https://www.vidaxl.nl/p/402569/bahco-socket-set-53-stuks?gclid=CM2dgLTB48oCFUKeGwodeKoNjg
[10:27:20] <__rob> I have a set like this
[10:27:28] <__rob> its like mini socket set
[10:27:38] <archivist> zeeshan|2, http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/tools/hand-tools/sealey-ak2081-impact-driver-set-15pc-protection-grip
[10:27:52] <zeeshan|2> archivist: i have that
[10:28:06] <archivist> it has hex and 1/2"
[10:28:30] <zeeshan|2> i need 1/4" hex to 3/8 square drive
[10:28:34] <zeeshan|2> adpater
[10:28:46] <zeeshan|2> http://public.snapon.com/R_RRD/Objects_lg/images/AWBCG1609.jpg
[10:28:52] <zeeshan|2> or this directly to the impact driver
[10:28:54] <__rob> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDAwWDYwMA==/z/mNsAAOSwAL9UbeVo/$_35.JPG?set_id=880000500F
[10:29:00] <__rob> I have something very similar to that
[10:29:02] <zeeshan|2> grr i have those !
[10:29:23] <PetefromTn_> I think I actually have a 1/4 inch hex to 3/8 square drive somewhere LOL
[10:29:33] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/sONt5eL.jpg
[10:29:37] <zeeshan|2> see those button heads?
[10:29:44] <zeeshan|2> i use a 8"long t handle to loose then
[10:29:48] <zeeshan|2> i'd like to start using an impact driver
[10:30:00] <zeeshan|2> theyre 5mm hex keys
[10:30:14] <PetefromTn_> THE VENUS DEMILO'S!!!
[10:30:18] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:30:25] <archivist> that is some fugly imitation wood
[10:30:36] <zeeshan|2> archivist: youre seeing it in process
[10:30:40] <zeeshan|2> it looks great when finished
[10:30:48] <archivist> neva
[10:30:57] <PetefromTn_> I would just use a 3/8 butterfly impact and a long extension to a 5mm
[10:31:09] <zeeshan|2> wont fit inthere =/
[10:31:22] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/QP1A9Rq.jpg <- archivist
[10:31:24] <PetefromTn_> really?
[10:31:24] <zeeshan|2> heres an example
[10:31:26] <zeeshan|2> i think they turn out okay
[10:31:27] <gregcnc> http://www.craftsman.com/craftsman-hex-to-square-socket-adapters/p-00926352000P?sid=IDxCMDFx20140801x001&KPID=00926352000
[10:31:39] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: THATS WHAT I NEED!!!!!!!!!!
[10:31:39] <archivist> impact wont travel down a long hex anyway
[10:32:01] <__rob> zeeshan|2 you should be able to get that at any hardware store
[10:32:05] <__rob> its a standard part
[10:32:19] <zeeshan|2> never seen it before :D
[10:32:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have some of those
[10:32:42] <archivist> common as muck here
[10:32:47] <zeeshan|2> https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.14-hex-to--38-square-impact-ready-socket-adapter.1000657750.html
[10:32:48] <zeeshan|2> found
[10:32:50] <zeeshan|2> thank you greg
[10:32:58] <zeeshan|2> thank you all!
[10:33:50] <gregcnc> The evil empire saves that day yet again.
[10:34:18] <Tom_itx> those are kinda handy
[10:35:25] <PetefromTn_> I don't see how that fixed your problem but I am glad you found what you are looking for
[10:35:38] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i have extra long 3/8 drive 5mm hex keys
[10:35:49] <zeeshan|2> i dont have the adapter to use those 3/8 drive w/ my impact driver
[10:36:00] <zeeshan|2> if i buy the adapter, i can use em
[10:36:10] <PetefromTn_> ah ok
[10:36:39] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a broken hex key waiting to happen ;)
[10:36:49] <Tom_itx> he'll find that out
[10:40:13] <zeeshan|2> ??
[10:40:22] <zeeshan|2> they're only torequed to 8 ft-lb.
[10:40:36] <Tom_itx> use a 1/2" impact with em
[10:40:49] <zeeshan|2> i have an adjustable torque hitachi impact driver
[10:43:04] <gregcnc> what they're saying is you'll soon find out if you're long hex keys are any good.
[10:43:36] <zeeshan|2> they havent failed me yet
[10:43:37] <zeeshan|2> =D
[10:43:46] <zeeshan|2> theyre fancy protos that i got like 8 years ago
[10:44:05] <miss0r> I think I need to take some anti-crazy medicine of some sort. I am at the moment plotting to do a 500mm cut across a 37mm thick steel plate with an angle grinder...
[10:44:30] * miss0r thinks that will take forever
[10:44:46] <zeeshan|2> will only take 7 discs :P
[10:44:52] <gregcnc> with 100mm wheels?
[10:45:16] <miss0r> 115mm
[10:45:17] <PetefromTn_> I see your problem
[10:45:27] <PetefromTn_> you are using the metric system :D
[10:45:32] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:45:35] <miss0r> hehe
[10:45:36] <archivist> the tingling in your hands will last a while after the job is done
[10:46:04] <miss0r> I presume I can do dirty stuff afterwards under the headline 'the stranger'
[10:46:31] <PetefromTn_> get someone to plasma cut it for you...oh wait ;)
[10:47:03] <miss0r> I wish I had a plasma cutter. that would surely make it easyer
[10:47:12] <PetefromTn_> find someone with a bigass bandsaw
[10:47:56] <miss0r> yeah, I realy dont want to move this plate around alot more than I already have. it weighs in at around 250kg... I don't have any lifting equipment here in the shop
[10:48:32] <miss0r> I used to have a "motor lift", but alot of stuff had to go to accomidate the new mill I got.
[10:49:34] <_methods> no cutting torch?
[10:49:45] <miss0r> I know a guy with a plasma cutter I could probally borrow, but I think it is rated at 20mm plate max
[10:49:49] <PetefromTn_> I could probably cut that on my Cinci for you its MAX is 500mm hehe
[10:49:53] <miss0r> I could borrow one I think
[10:50:07] <_methods> it would take a serious plasma to cut 37mm
[10:50:13] <PetefromTn_> I know I was kidding about the plasma cutter that is too thick I think
[10:50:33] <_methods> well for a single phase plasma
[10:50:36] <_methods> probably too thick
[10:50:37] <miss0r> I might just borrow a torch. it needs to be cleaned up in the mill anyway
[10:50:50] <_methods> yeah i'd torch that
[10:51:03] <PetefromTn_> like I said I would find someone with a bigass bandsaw
[10:51:06] <zeeshan|2> i felt like such a noob when i saw how you move big plate around
[10:51:19] <zeeshan|2> ever seen it done?!
[10:51:34] <miss0r> seen what done? move a plate?
[10:51:37] <zeeshan|2> yes
[10:51:43] <zeeshan|2> without a forklift
[10:51:47] <miss0r> I'd say I have some first-hand experience doing so
[10:52:10] <zeeshan|2> they had c-clamps on the sides
[10:52:13] <zeeshan|2> and were lifting the c-clamps
[10:52:19] <PetefromTn_> we honestly did not work too much with really thick plate when we did we ordered it cut for us
[10:52:32] <zeeshan|2> i thought that was smart :)
[10:52:34] <miss0r> don't confuse big with heavy here :) the plate itself is not so big. I bought it at the scrap yard.
[10:53:08] <PetefromTn_> what are the dimensions?
[10:53:11] <archivist> one of my early welding jobs was making up sheets for tippers, we used the c clamps
[10:53:19] <PetefromTn_> besides the 20 inches that is
[10:53:30] <_methods> is a tipper a sheet metal worker?
[10:53:44] <miss0r> the plate is like 1400x510
[10:53:49] <archivist> truck/lorry tipper body
[10:53:59] <_methods> ahhh
[10:53:59] <zeeshan|2> too much metric going in here
[10:54:01] <zeeshan|2> my head is hurting
[10:54:06] <archivist> 20-30 ft long
[10:54:17] <miss0r> I used a hand-truck
[10:54:33] <PetefromTn_> that is a pretty big piece that thick honestly
[10:54:42] <_methods> yeah that's a chunk
[10:55:01] <PetefromTn_> I could probably cut it from both sides in my horiz/vert CAREFULLY
[10:55:02] <miss0r> 55x20 inches
[10:55:03] <_methods> make a nice tabletop
[10:55:27] <PetefromTn_> Oh wait no I can't
[10:55:39] <PetefromTn_> it is only like 7 or 8 inches vertically
[10:55:56] <miss0r> I am going to take a peice of that and make a table for my cnc project
[10:56:20] <miss0r> with t-slots in it.
[10:56:25] <archivist> use a hacksaw, wastes less :)
[10:56:32] <PetefromTn_> heh
[10:56:38] <PetefromTn_> could you imagine
[10:56:39] <miss0r> archivist: sounds like a plan :D
[10:56:57] <miss0r> never mind it will take 7,5 years to complete. material is scarse :P
[10:57:10] <PetefromTn_> cutting that with an angle grinder would be a new miserable experience for sure...
[10:57:24] <archivist> you might get tennis elbow after that
[10:57:24] <miss0r> yeah. I think I will torch it
[10:58:00] <PetefromTn_> if you plan to machine the edges afterwards I would recomend finding that big bandsaw :D
[10:58:34] <PetefromTn_> I would be the place you bought it from could cut it for you
[10:58:49] <miss0r> PetefromTn_: The problem with the big-ass bandsaw, is I would need to come to it, not the other way around. and that includes me having to transport my steel plate /again/. so I will just borrow a torch
[10:59:13] <PetefromTn_> OK
[10:59:24] <_methods> either that or buy one of those worm drive skillsaws
[10:59:25] <PetefromTn_> good luck with it anyway
[10:59:27] <miss0r> the place I bought the plate is a junk yard, where I had the crane driver grap it from the top of a 30ft high pile of huge metal chunks
[10:59:34] <_methods> i think they will cut thick plate like that pretty good
[11:00:14] <miss0r> I think I will just swing an axe at it, till it fits to specs :)
[11:00:19] <roycroft> how thick is the plate?
[11:00:26] <miss0r> ~37mm
[11:00:33] <roycroft> oh, reasonably thick
[11:00:46] <roycroft> plasma cutter
[11:00:50] <_methods> those skillsaws will cut up to 2-1/2" i think
[11:01:03] <_methods> https://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/corded/6370-20
[11:01:08] <miss0r> _methods: do you have a link/image? I do.... thanks
[11:01:38] <miss0r> noway that will survive this job
[11:01:42] <_methods> oh nm only 3/4" solid
[11:01:44] <archivist> slitting saw on the mill is the other method
[11:01:57] <roycroft> if you're going to use an abrasive disc on a skillsaw, wear full face protection and really good hearing protection
[11:02:03] <roycroft> earplugs + earmuffs would be good
[11:02:17] <PetefromTn_> or......BANDSAW!!
[11:02:19] <miss0r> roycroft: indeed. thanks. But I will probally torch it
[11:02:34] * roycroft votes for a plasma cutter again :)
[11:02:39] <miss0r> PetefromTn_: I realy do wish I had a huge bandsaw/the space to get one in here
[11:03:20] <_methods> you'd need a 3phase plasma cutter for metal that thick i believe
[11:03:28] <miss0r> But I just got a TOS FNK 25A in here (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-9yrxk3CAzs/hqdefault.jpg) and that took what space I had left
[11:03:33] <PetefromTn_> I have cut 3/4 plate with a plasma and while it worked it is not that great nevermind 1.5 inch thick
[11:03:38] <roycroft> probably
[11:03:52] <roycroft> i think mine will do about half that thickness
[11:04:01] <roycroft> and it's 240vac/30a, i think
[11:04:05] <roycroft> maybe 50a
[11:04:27] <miss0r> _methods: I am beginning to be curious here. you are from the US, right? most of your equipment runs on 3-phase, right?
[11:05:09] <miss0r> roycroft: damn. I only have 35 amp fuses for my house
[11:05:46] <archivist> miss0r, you can mount a slitting saw on the tos and use that
[11:06:05] <_methods> sure but 3phase is mostly in commercial spaces
[11:06:15] <_methods> most homes only have single phase service
[11:06:37] <roycroft> it's 50a, and spec'ed to sever cut up to 0.875"
[11:06:41] <miss0r> archivist: if I am to stay within the rated weight limit of the TOS' table, I need to reduce that plate before I do so
[11:06:44] <roycroft> a lot of farms have 3 phase
[11:07:02] <_methods> like i said commercial
[11:07:10] <roycroft> but residential power is hardly ever 3 phase
[11:07:29] <miss0r> _methods: Here in DK most houses have 3-phase 400volts @ 50hz. Most people have 25amps. So did I, but I am an electrician, so I opped it a tiny bit.
[11:07:34] <roycroft> much commerical power is single phase
[11:07:49] <roycroft> industrial might be a better descriptof
[11:07:51] <_methods> yeah i wish we had 3phase here
[11:07:52] <roycroft> descriptor
[11:08:13] <_methods> obviously we have 3phase but not in residential areas
[11:08:34] <roycroft> our "standard" residential power drop is 240vac/200a
[11:08:40] <roycroft> although 250a is becoming more common
[11:08:58] <roycroft> i've seen older houses with 60a service
[11:09:09] <roycroft> want to run a welder?
[11:09:11] <_methods> and we're 60hz
[11:09:14] <_methods> not 50
[11:09:17] <miss0r> _methods: how do people handle their home shops then? I could probally not even get a standard culumn drill press for single phase here, unless it is the "wallmart equivelent"
[11:09:28] <roycroft> turn *everything* else, including the lights, off
[11:09:39] <_methods> it makes things challenging powering equipment
[11:09:43] <zeeshan|2> i dunno
[11:09:47] <_methods> people use rotary phase converters or vfd's
[11:09:47] <roycroft> we pay more for single phase motors, miss0r
[11:09:50] <zeeshan|2> we put a lot of 3 phase stuff for commerical.
[11:09:53] <archivist> miss0r, use a VFD on single phase
[11:10:04] <miss0r> ahh indeed.
[11:10:08] <roycroft> we can't use 3 phase here
[11:10:10] <roycroft> it's too efficient
[11:10:22] <zeeshan|2> only 1.73 times the shock
[11:10:23] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[11:10:29] <miss0r> holy jesus. 250 amps for houses :D you guys must have some pretty thick cables running around
[11:10:40] <_methods> the great thing about equipment being divided into single and 3phase means that you can often find great deals on 3phase equipment
[11:11:00] <roycroft> a lot of houses have electric heat around here
[11:11:00] <_methods> since the majority of the population isn't competent enough to put said equipment under power
[11:11:11] <roycroft> 30a per rooom
[11:11:13] <roycroft> room
[11:11:16] <roycroft> it adds up quickly
[11:11:20] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: at 240v?
[11:11:25] <roycroft> yes
[11:11:28] <zeeshan|2> jeez thats a lotta power
[11:11:33] <roycroft> i live in the land of cheap hydro power
[11:11:39] <zeeshan|2> cali?
[11:11:46] <roycroft> although it's not as cheap as it used to be
[11:11:47] <miss0r> I was told once, that you run something like a circular connection around the house, and then have fuses in the outlets. is this correct?
[11:11:47] <roycroft> oregon
[11:11:50] <zeeshan|2> ah
[11:11:56] <roycroft> we don't do that in the us
[11:12:04] <roycroft> those circular circuits are common in the uk
[11:12:12] <roycroft> they scare the bejesus out of me
[11:12:13] <archivist> ring main
[11:12:15] <miss0r> indeed. I sometimes mix that up
[11:12:17] <roycroft> yes, ring mains
[11:12:30] <archivist> not scary at all
[11:12:33] <PetefromTn_> might be one of the last times I have to go out to my shop to start my machines up and HAVE TO turn on all the heaters to be able to stand it out there LOL
[11:12:53] <_methods> hahah
[11:13:07] <_methods> now you just have to deal with being hot and sweaty out in your shop
[11:13:20] <miss0r> In Denmark the standard household installation is 10amp fuses. A regular house of 1600sqrft has 4-5 fuses of 10 amps. and 1-2 16amp fuses in the fusebox :)
[11:13:21] <PetefromTn_> I am looking forward to just turning on the fan or window AC unit
[11:14:11] <PetefromTn_> when I used to live in Florida I don't ever remember turning on AC to work in the shop but I did use fans occasionally... just gotta keep that warm air moving
[11:14:14] <miss0r> 250 amps for a house :) I am still quite dumbstruck.
[11:14:16] <_methods> nothing but shorts and flip flops in pete's future
[11:14:23] <PetefromTn_> my house has 200 amp service
[11:14:33] <PetefromTn_> HELL YEAH BABY!!
[11:14:39] <roycroft> we're going to have record highs much of next week
[11:14:41] <PetefromTn_> I love shorts and flops
[11:14:45] <roycroft> 18-19 several days in a row
[11:14:49] <roycroft> we may hit 20 on tuesday
[11:15:01] <PetefromTn_> we are supposed to be in the teens on tuesday as well
[11:15:02] <miss0r> as in: heatwave?
[11:15:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah man we're cookin' over here ;)
[11:15:26] <miss0r> how hot is that anyway?
[11:15:41] <roycroft> i use sensible units, not those silly fahrenheit things
[11:15:42] <PetefromTn_> is this a serious question?
[11:15:47] <roycroft> so it's 20 degrees :)
[11:15:57] <roycroft> shorts weather
[11:16:17] <roycroft> 20 degrees is 68f
[11:16:40] <miss0r> indeed. we have had somewhere between -5 and +5 for the past week. mixture of rain and freezing. not good for traffic :)
[11:16:54] <PetefromTn_> you are at 68?
[11:17:02] <roycroft> tuesday that is the forecast
[11:17:02] <PetefromTn_> you must be in Florida :D
[11:17:07] <roycroft> it's funny
[11:17:13] <miss0r> bleh. I need to go eat dinner or the wife will kill me. be back later
[11:17:34] <roycroft> when i lived up in northwest washington, right by the border, we'd regularly get a warm week in january like this
[11:17:47] <roycroft> since i've lived in oregon we generally get a warm week in february
[11:18:05] <roycroft> but this has been an extremely mild winter again - second year in a row
[11:18:07] <PetefromTn_> in Florida they get a warm week....pretty much every week LOL
[11:18:17] <roycroft> i've only been to florida twice
[11:18:29] <roycroft> both times they were experiencing a heat wave, by florida terms
[11:18:34] <roycroft> the locals were complaining
[11:18:41] <PetefromTn_> then it musta been damn HOT
[11:18:47] <roycroft> my impression of florida climate is not a positive one
[11:19:01] <_methods> i love it
[11:19:04] <roycroft> the afternoon rain showers were so hot they would hurt
[11:19:05] <PetefromTn_> I remember as a kid going to the beach in the summer and you CANNOT walk on the sand without flops
[11:19:14] <_methods> the closer it is to the jungle the better
[11:19:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah its hot as hades sometimes but I will take that over freezing my baguettes off any day LOL
[11:20:31] <PetefromTn_> plus when its hot you can STILL go fishing :D
[11:20:42] <roycroft> i think i've found the ideal climate for me
[11:20:45] <roycroft> i don't mind the rain
[11:20:59] <roycroft> and i don't care for extreme heat or cold
[11:21:12] <PetefromTn_> arizona?
[11:21:19] <roycroft> but i would not want single season weather like in southern california
[11:21:30] <roycroft> we get snow every other year or so, and it lasts about a day
[11:21:40] <roycroft> western oregon
[11:21:43] <roycroft> willamette valley
[11:21:56] <PetefromTn_> doesn't it rain like EVERY SINGLE DAY?
[11:22:07] <_methods> it's not seattle lol
[11:22:16] <roycroft> it only rains when the tourists are here
[11:22:25] <PetefromTn_> so every day then :D
[11:22:27] <roycroft> we save our sunny days for when we send them home
[11:22:43] <roycroft> seattle is actually pretty dry
[11:22:55] <roycroft> it's in a rain shadow formed by the olympic mountains
[11:23:10] <_methods> the olympics and cascades squeeze it out
[11:23:29] <_methods> seattle gets plenty of the liquid sunshine
[11:23:32] <PetefromTn_> my friend Art's brother lives in oregon and he just moved to Florida ;)
[11:23:34] <roycroft> we're finally getting a decent amount of rain this winter
[11:23:44] <roycroft> we've been in a drought for several years
[11:23:51] <roycroft> but there's decent snowpack for once
[11:24:41] <_methods> you definitely don't want to live on the olympic peninsula if you don't like rain
[11:24:56] <roycroft> i've spent plenty of time there
[11:25:03] <Jymmm> OMG!!! ROTFLMAO....
[11:25:04] <Jymmm> YOU
[11:25:06] <Jymmm> HAVE
[11:25:07] <Jymmm> TO
[11:25:08] <Jymmm> WATCH
[11:25:09] <roycroft> i have an ex who is from port angeles
[11:25:10] <Jymmm> THIS
[11:25:12] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT0FSagOpkw
[11:25:43] <roycroft> the hoh rain forest has the highest density of vegetation of anywhere on earth
[11:25:49] <roycroft> more than the tropical rain forests, even
[11:25:59] <_methods> hahahha
[11:26:09] <roycroft> i have never once been to the hoh when it's not been at least misty
[11:26:17] <PetefromTn_> that guy is a pinhead but I think its staged or at least I HOPE it is...
[11:26:19] <roycroft> and usually it's raining pretty steadily there
[11:26:39] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I can't tell, dont care, it's funnier than shit =)
[11:36:33] <gregcnc> that guy staged everyone
[11:36:43] <pink_vampire> he is from electro boom channel
[11:37:04] <gregcnc> yeah, it's still funny even when you know whats
[11:37:09] <gregcnc> coming
[11:40:41] <aventtini6> hello guys
[11:46:56] <Deejay> hi
[11:50:28] <aventtini6> guys i have a problem whit one of my microns
[11:51:14] <aventtini6> its the pc a factor on the traj
[11:51:26] <aventtini6> for example when it makes a cycle
[11:51:40] <aventtini6> it slows on corners
[11:56:15] <gregcnc> more than normal accel/decel?
[11:57:02] <aventtini6> yes
[11:57:10] <aventtini6> like 800mm/m
[11:57:19] <aventtini6> and it slows bad on corners
[11:57:34] <gregcnc> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/common/User_Concepts.html#sec:trajectory-control
[11:57:36] <aventtini6> i have tune te motors in all posible ways
[11:58:03] <aventtini6> maybe pc is slow
[11:59:16] <gregcnc> is the program a simple linear to linear move?
[12:00:11] <aventtini6> its a poket for example
[12:00:26] <aventtini6> i use g64 p 0,01
[12:01:08] <aventtini6> 40% of the carbide tools are damaged because of this
[12:01:19] <aventtini6> stop start stop start
[12:01:21] <aventtini6> and so on
[12:01:36] <aventtini6> 16mm end mill with 0,200mm
[12:01:47] <aventtini6> and it brakes in cornders
[12:03:31] <gregcnc> does it speed up if you increase the tolerance?
[12:03:42] <CaptHindsight> aventtini6: what version of linuxcnc is it running?
[12:03:48] <aventtini6> 2.6
[12:04:14] <CaptHindsight> the newer version as the latest trajectory planner
[12:04:24] <CaptHindsight> what are you using for CAM?
[12:04:33] <aventtini6> solidcam
[12:05:16] <gregcnc> is solidcam reducing feed in the corners?
[12:05:25] <CaptHindsight> if you have lots of small segments making up the "corners" the older planner would slow down
[12:06:54] <aventtini6> let me uplode a program 10 sec
[12:08:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I got a welder for ya... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZxBF7WC0TQk#t=747
[12:14:57] <CaptHindsight> are all Maker Fairs just carnival sideshows?
[12:17:08] <CaptHindsight> or just every one I've been to or have seen
[12:17:16] <gregcnc> I wanted to go to one until I looked at photos of a few.
[12:19:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: He's an EE and his YT is showing the shit you shouldn't be doing, pretty funny stuff... http://www.electroboom.com/
[12:20:05] <CaptHindsight> Conference Block 1: Bathing and Personal Hygiene | Conference Block 2: How to melt stuff and hold stuff together. | Block 3: How we invented extrusions
[12:23:03] <Jymmm> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7dV1PNPxAk
[12:27:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/torroidal-power-supplies just FYI, these get drop shipped vs being in stock near Chicago
[12:27:24] <CaptHindsight> they ship from NJ
[12:30:59] <aventtini6> guys how is familiar whit fagor 800
[12:46:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toroidal-laminated-core-for-AC-power-transformer-3000VA-wind-your-own-/171264408352
[13:01:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnet-Wire-12-Gauge-AWG-Enameled-Copper-444-Feet-Coil-Winding-8-8-Lbs-Essex-Red-/181986920681
[13:03:46] <gregcnc> winding 12AWG doesn't sound like fun
[13:09:43] <pcw_home> winding HV primaries on a toroid is not fun either (without a winder)
[13:10:47] <Frank__3> worst day ever guys, 2 broken taps in 2 holes
[13:11:27] <CaptHindsight> Frank__3: that should only happen 10 minutes after the tap supplier closes
[13:12:23] <Frank__3> yeah, but i dont mind waiting, what puts me down is that i kind of lost those holes now..
[13:12:52] <CaptHindsight> with me it's usually operator error
[13:13:39] <Frank__3> its my first time tapping..
[13:13:49] <Frank__3> but then i dont know what went wrong
[13:14:00] <CaptHindsight> in aluminum by chance?
[13:14:04] <Frank__3> i was hand tapping REALLY slow 1/6th turn and backing up
[13:14:06] <Frank__3> steel
[13:14:16] <Frank__3> T_T
[13:14:29] <CaptHindsight> what size?
[13:14:33] <Frank__3> 6mm
[13:14:35] <Frank__3> 6x1
[13:15:37] <CaptHindsight> wrong size pilot hole, dull taps, shaky hands, not backing out far enough
[13:16:08] <Frank__3> i think the holes werent perfect enough,
[13:16:17] <Frank__3> by that i mean straightness and stuff
[13:16:39] <CaptHindsight> at least your getting a feel for how much pressure it takes to snap them
[13:16:49] <CaptHindsight> your/you're
[13:17:46] <Frank__3> yes, but its kind of confusing, i wasnt doing a lot of pressure, but maybe a combination of little pressure and bad torque on one side and snap
[13:18:36] <Frank__3> any solution?
[13:19:05] <CaptHindsight> well if the holes are not the right size they should be made the right size
[13:22:43] <nos> Anybody got XP with hot stamping of sheet metal, or stamping sheet metal in general?
[13:23:59] <mozmck> Frank__3: did you have good taps?
[13:24:18] <Frank__3> i think so, but now i dont know how to fix the broken ones
[13:25:08] <PetefromTn_> http://www.littlemachineshop.com/reference/tapdrillsizes.pdf
[13:26:39] <roycroft> what do you mean by "fix"?
[13:26:50] <roycroft> extract the broken ones from the holes?
[13:29:35] <PetefromTn_> typically I try to mill them out if I cannot quickly grab hold of the broken end and unscrew them. Carbide drills or mills and lots of coolant and VERY SLOW feed takes forever...but it works done it many times
[13:29:36] <gregcnc> PetefromTN_ in metric sizes you just subtract the pitch from the diameter to get tap drill size. You do the same with UN, 10-32 = .190 - .031 = .159
[13:30:41] <PetefromTn_> gregcnc I just use my chart man much easier :D
[13:31:47] <gregcnc> because 6-1 is hard ;)
[13:33:00] <gregcnc> But I don't have a set of metric drills so i have to find the closest infernal size available.
[13:34:33] <gregcnc> Frank It may be easier to use a drill guide and hand drill if you have more to drill, then use a tap guide.
[13:36:18] <CaptHindsight> I end up with 3-6mm in 6061 all the time
[13:42:59] <roycroft> my personal preferred method is to not break taps :)
[13:43:40] <roycroft> unfortunately i don't always have my way in such matters
[13:48:55] <Frank__3> sorry for late answer
[13:48:59] <Frank__3> i was doing stuff
[13:49:25] <Frank__3> i only have a manual drill, i should get a carbide bit and take them out right?
[13:49:33] <Frank__3> so carbide is stronger that hss?
[13:49:42] <Frank__3> more expensive too right?
[13:49:57] <roycroft> no sensitive drill press?
[13:50:08] <Frank__3> yes, but the piece its too large
[13:50:10] <Frank__3> to get in there
[13:50:14] <roycroft> aah
[13:50:24] <Frank__3> thats why the holes were not perfect
[13:50:42] <roycroft> it's going to be rather difficult to drill/mill a broken tap out with a hand held drill
[13:50:47] <roycroft> 6mm is fairly large
[13:51:06] <roycroft> another, very tedious method is to take a very small chisel and chip the broken tap out bit by bit
[13:51:17] <Frank__3> yeah, i think i am going to drill another 2 holes next to those
[13:51:20] <roycroft> i've done that with success
[13:51:39] <Frank__3> thats possible
[13:51:53] <roycroft> a 6mm tap should not be difficult to use without breaking it, if it's started correctly
[13:52:04] <roycroft> that's probably your problem - you started it at a slight angle to perpendicular
[13:52:11] <__rob> anyone know a way to convert an stl to a solid format like STEP ?
[13:52:18] <Frank__3> but then all my taps are going to break,
[13:52:31] <__rob> inventor hsm lets me export simulated stock, but I can only pick solids for using on a new machining setup
[13:52:39] <roycroft> go to the home impovement store
[13:52:45] <roycroft> get a bushing that's whatever od and 1/4" id
[13:52:58] <roycroft> at least 1" long
[13:53:07] <roycroft> hold that over the hole to help guide the tap while you start it
[13:53:13] <roycroft> practice in some scrap first
[13:53:24] <Frank__3> ok
[13:53:38] <roycroft> 1/4" is slightly larger than 6mm
[13:53:46] <Frank__3> but i think i still have the holes issue,
[13:53:50] <roycroft> but it will be close enough to guide our tap in
[13:53:54] <roycroft> your
[13:53:56] <Frank__3> they are hand drilled
[13:54:01] <Frank__3> and about 13mm
[13:54:04] <Frank__3> deep
[13:54:16] <roycroft> aah, so the holes might not be straight
[13:54:32] <Frank__3> exactly, i think i am going to tap only what i need
[13:54:42] <Frank__3> and not all the way throw
[13:54:50] <roycroft> then i would break the boken taps off below the surface, weld it over or fill with jb-weld
[13:55:16] <roycroft> and drill new holes, using the guide bushing to help keep the drill lined up straight
[13:55:32] <Frank__3> yeah, thats my best option right now,
[13:55:37] <roycroft> you might also look at one of those funky "drill press adapters"
[13:55:45] <roycroft> i.e. the things that you clamp a hand-held drill to
[13:56:06] <Frank__3> its just frustrating.. you ideally want to get those threads right.. but no..
[13:56:09] <roycroft> if you can reverse the base on one of those you might be able to line it up to ensure a straight hole
[13:56:42] <Frank__3> no more tapping on design again ever
[13:56:59] <roycroft> a mag drill would be ideal, but i'm guessing you aren't ready to drop several hundred dollars for a used tool right now
[13:57:38] <roycroft> some of those bushings i'm talking about have a collar on one end
[13:57:42] <Frank__3> exactly, besides the surface on which it would hold from is 1-1/2''
[13:57:49] <roycroft> that would help keep it lined up properly
[13:57:59] <roycroft> the drawback is that the bushings are bronze, and won't last logn
[13:58:08] <roycroft> long
[13:58:19] <roycroft> but if it's just a few holes, and you're careful, that might work
[13:58:24] <Frank__3> still cheaper than any other option haha
[13:58:36] <roycroft> yes, they'll be about $1.50 each
[13:59:04] <roycroft> get several, and if any show signs of wear, toss them
[13:59:09] <roycroft> then return what you don't use
[13:59:27] <Frank__3> awesome advice on the bushing
[13:59:28] <Frank__3> s
[13:59:44] <roycroft> another option that might be better is to get some steel rod
[13:59:51] <roycroft> like 3/4"
[13:59:56] <roycroft> cut a piece off 2" long
[14:00:03] <roycroft> chuck it up in your drill press
[14:00:14] <roycroft> and drill a pilot hole in that that's the exact size of your tap drill
[14:00:17] <roycroft> then use that as a guide
[14:00:51] <roycroft> but make sure your cuts are absolutely square
[14:01:05] <roycroft> you'll need two of those - one for the tap drill and one for the tap
[14:01:17] <Frank__3> thats good too, but a little more work, and without nice tools.. getting it square is hard
[14:01:29] <roycroft> it would be a better guide if you make it well
[14:01:43] <Frank__3> i'll get some jb weld
[14:02:05] <roycroft> a 3mm tap will often break just by looking at it
[14:02:13] <Frank__3> haha
[14:02:24] <roycroft> but anything larger should work well if you're careful and get it started exactly in line with the hole
[14:02:29] <roycroft> and use plenty of lubrication
[14:02:29] <Frank__3> bolt and nut all the way in the future
[14:02:39] <roycroft> blind holes are fine
[14:03:23] <Frank__3> thanks for the info roy
[14:03:45] <roycroft> take your time
[14:03:52] <roycroft> that's the best advice i can give
[14:04:02] <roycroft> if you get frustrated, walk away from the project for a while
[14:04:47] <Frank__3> yes,
[14:04:59] <Frank__3> thats what i am figuring out haha
[14:05:40] <Frank__3> i just hope this doesnt happen on the linear guides holes,
[14:05:46] <CaptHindsight> __rob: you can import them and then save them as STEP in many higher end CAD applications
[14:05:58] <Frank__3> there it would be really bad if i mess up
[14:06:08] <roycroft> then don't mess up
[14:06:10] <roycroft> :)
[14:10:12] <Frank__3> well, now i have THE knowledge!
[14:11:03] <miss0r> dinner can take forever when you have a toddler :)
[14:12:08] <__rob> CaptHindsight, seems FreeCad did it
[14:12:09] <miss0r> roycroft: referring to earlyer conversation: I walked to the guy with the torch I could borrow. He is quite convinced that it is too small to handle a 37mm plate :)
[14:12:21] <__rob> inventor needs me to download a subscription addon
[14:19:25] <roycroft> it's not the size of the torch per se
[14:19:33] <roycroft> it's the size of the tanks
[14:20:46] <miss0r> roycroft: indeed. hes does not think his system can handle to preheat the cut area
[14:21:23] <miss0r> Listed to me talk like I don't know a word of english. He said; that his system is to small to handle the preheat
[14:22:15] <miss0r> so at the moment I am plotting how to mount it directly in the mill, and simply machine my way through
[14:23:51] <miss0r> my conclutions so far: it will be dangerous
[14:25:19] <miss0r> conclution: tomorrow I will have a horrible day cutting it with an angle grinder
[14:28:41] <roycroft> or you could get some abrasive discs for a skillsaw, and cut halfway through from each side
[14:28:56] <roycroft> and then spend an hour with an angle grinder cleaning it up
[14:29:30] <roycroft> perhaps taking several passes on each side with the skillsaw
[14:30:08] <miss0r> I will defenetly look into a skillsaw. At the moment I might have gotten a briliant idea for cutting in the mill
[14:30:33] <miss0r> If I can just get it on the table without killing myself
[14:30:52] <roycroft> that's what your gantry crane is for :)
[14:31:05] <miss0r> I wish :)
[14:31:25] <miss0r> damnit! it says the maximum weight of the workpeice is 200kg. and this plate is closer to 250kg
[14:31:31] <miss0r> I don't want to ruin the machine
[14:33:53] <roycroft> another option is to make a jig for an angle grinder that you can slide along a straightedge to make the cut
[14:38:34] <PetefromTn_> Man these maritool variable coated carbides are leaving a BEUTIFUL finish on this steel plate edges :D
[14:38:55] <PetefromTn_> A :)
[14:40:20] <miss0r> ;) all edges will need machining
[14:40:38] <PetefromTn_> all edges are getting machined
[14:41:54] * miss0r stands corrected; all edges will need milling
[14:44:11] <PetefromTn_> the finish appears slightly better than the NEW YG1 V7 I had been using before it stubbornly BROKE LOL
[14:44:13] <miss0r> damnit it is annoying having a workpeice I can't just grap and lift with my hands
[14:44:37] <PetefromTn_> have you started with the angle grinder yet?
[14:45:22] <miss0r> I will wait for tomorrow. around here its 9:30 in the evening in a "residential" area. I'm sure I would become quite unpopular
[14:45:54] <miss0r> at the moment I am working on an ingenious idea to get it onto the mill without killing myself
[14:45:57] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it would cut it but it sure as hell is gonna eat some disks along the way
[14:46:31] <PetefromTn_> if your mill can handle the weight you can try a trochoidal pass thru the part maybe?
[14:47:15] <miss0r> that would be lovely. but that mill is quite manual
[14:47:34] <PetefromTn_> ooh yeah that sucks
[14:47:48] <PetefromTn_> where do you live?
[14:48:04] <miss0r> it will have to be easy does it.... I have a cnc mill that has a working area of 200x400 and that is a bit small :)
[14:48:07] <miss0r> I live en Denmark.
[14:48:47] <PetefromTn_> you are cutting thru lengthwise?
[14:49:27] <miss0r> yeah. I have to end up with a place measuring 500.0x250.0mm
[14:49:33] <miss0r> probally .00
[14:49:44] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[14:50:00] <miss0r> its the table for my new cnc project :)
[14:50:14] <PetefromTn_> What language do you speak just out of curiosity?
[14:50:38] <miss0r> tonight apparently not english - that much is obvious. I speak Danish ;)
[14:51:19] <PetefromTn_> I have wondered if people from other countries have translators on IRC or something....
[14:51:55] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/avkIPU0E2b8?t=1m30s 37mm might be harder
[14:52:03] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it is probably obvious but I wonder what your screen looks like LOL
[14:52:05] <miss0r> yeah, I can see how you would arraive at that conclution with my formulation this evening. But I am not aware of any translators for IRC
[14:52:26] <PetefromTn_> so you type in english here along with everyone else from around the world?
[14:53:05] <miss0r> yep. Have you ever seen google try to translate.. well.. anything? :)
[14:53:15] <miss0r> let me give you an example...
[14:53:18] <PetefromTn_> I actually use google translate often
[14:53:29] <PetefromTn_> I get a lot of customers from overseas
[14:53:49] <PetefromTn_> and they sometimes just type in their native language
[14:54:34] <PetefromTn_> for instance right now I got a guy from somewhere near russia that I have not been able to translate his text. He keeps texting me on facebook and Google translate only gets a few of the words..
[14:54:38] <miss0r> okay. I tried to use google translate, and to my surprise it came out quite correct :o never mind the example then
[14:54:42] <os1r1s> I've used google translate on my phone in France to speak to Taxi drivers. It works!
[14:55:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah it MOSTLY works for me
[14:55:39] <PetefromTn_> but this guy is an avid airgunner and he keeps asking me questions (at least I think it is a question) and I have failed to translate most of it.
[14:55:40] <gregcnc> translate keeps getting better as people add suggestions/corrections for proper translations
[14:55:51] <miss0r> in the equivelent of your college, I had to do a german paper. I sucked at german(and I still do). I used google translate to do the paper. It turned out so poorly, in fact, that the teacher trusted I made it myself :)
[14:55:55] <PetefromTn_> for all I know he could be cursing me out LOL
[14:56:22] <PetefromTn_> BRB gotta change to another part on the CNC
[14:56:43] <miss0r> look for the word curwa. that is the equivelent of 'f*ck'
[14:57:11] <miss0r> "шлюха"
[14:57:54] <gregcnc> Cyrillic you have to know the alphabet to get anywhere
[14:58:30] <CaptHindsight> punchlines from old jokes never translate well
[15:00:40] <os1r1s> gregcnc That's true, but its amazing how many words are identical to english
[15:01:23] <os1r1s> gregcnc супермаркет
[15:01:27] <os1r1s> Like that one :)
[15:02:02] <gregcnc> but there is probaly a more traditional word instead
[15:02:19] <miss0r> meh. Appareltly I am unable to WILL this plate onto the mill by staring at it !
[15:02:22] <os1r1s> Not sure. I've seen that on signs before
[15:12:09] <PetefromTn_> anyone need a power feed unit for a G0704? They just posted on for $200 on the machinist for sale facebook page
[15:21:01] <miss0r> now the workpeice is halfway up on the table, using the quite professional tools like a jack from an old ford and a ladder... lol
[15:23:40] <miss0r> all the way up! and I am still alive!
[15:23:42] * miss0r takes a bow
[15:23:54] <PetefromTn_> heh now what?
[15:24:58] <PetefromTn_> anybody know what happens on that facebook link where you like and comment no and the big fat guy looks like he is gonna kick another guy off the cliff? I don't feel like trying it LOL
[15:29:19] <miss0r> PetefromTn_: the 250kg workpeice. I got it onto the mill
[15:29:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah you said that :D
[15:30:09] <miss0r> I just don't see enough cheering in here is all
[15:30:30] * _methods golf claps
[15:30:34] <_methods> so where's the pics
[15:30:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah pics or it didn't happen :D
[15:31:48] <miss0r> alright. hang on
[15:32:05] <_methods> now we're talking
[15:35:21] <miss0r> here we go: http://picpaste.com/20160206_220713-ZlBfuzjS.jpg
[15:35:52] <miss0r> picture - so it did happen
[15:36:04] <_methods> hahah that is a damn chunk
[15:36:25] <miss0r> yeah. I'm glad it will be redused somewhat before I have to take it down
[15:37:06] <_methods> i bet
[15:37:22] <_methods> that's a back problem waiting to happen lol
[15:38:03] <miss0r> yeah. thats why I used professional equipment to do it right.. err.. right is not the correct word.. atleast I didn't strain myself
[15:38:21] <_methods> hooray for ladders lol
[15:41:59] <miss0r> indeed. and old ford jacks
[16:16:51] <miss0r> I DO believe I got more than I bargined for here. this is definetly not low carbon steel. damn.
[16:17:39] <miss0r> it ate up a 16mm HSS endmill in no time! Carbide endmill seems to do the trick
[16:20:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah man you gotta use carbide for steels I think...
[16:24:08] <PetefromTn_> anyone here good with latrines? :D
[16:24:20] <roycroft> i'm good at using them
[16:24:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too
[16:24:35] * roycroft has been practicing all his life
[16:24:44] <PetefromTn_> practice makes perfect
[16:25:01] <roycroft> it's that full circle thing
[16:25:03] <roycroft> make beer
[16:25:04] <roycroft> drink beer
[16:25:06] <roycroft> recycle beer
[16:25:46] <PetefromTn_> my upstairs bathroom fills slow as hell and sometimes you have to hold down the handle until its done to flush correct....but it always works. I understand you can get some new guts for inside that can change that completley but I don't know anything about it LOL
[16:25:48] <miss0r> roycroft: recycle beer... A danish music festival (Roskilde festival) - has a couple of guys reusing peoples urine for next years beer...
[16:26:13] <roycroft> if processed properly i would not have a problem with that
[16:26:24] <miss0r> me neither. but still a great story
[16:26:26] <roycroft> there is a finite amount of water on this planet
[16:26:53] <miss0r> roycroft: its not like when you flush the water, it is shipped off the planet
[16:27:02] <roycroft> over the course of hundreds of millions of years it's just about certain that every water molecule on the planet has been part of some creature's urine at some point
[16:27:09] <roycroft> oh wait
[16:27:13] <miss0r> indeed :)
[16:27:16] <roycroft> the earth is only 6000 years old
[16:27:17] <roycroft> i forgot
[16:28:01] <miss0r> heathen! lol @ you! how can that be if it is only the year 2016 ? :P
[16:28:19] <PetefromTn_> not me I have NEVER drank that piss :D
[16:28:46] <miss0r> I actualy saw a TV spot about someone realy honnestly believing the earth is onbly 6000 years old..
[16:29:21] <Deejay> gn8
[16:30:06] <PetefromTn_> boy this IRC has really gone to the shitter :D I crack myself up!!
[16:30:29] <miss0r> whoever said IRC is dead :)
[16:31:10] <_methods> you guys have some piss poor conversations on here
[16:31:30] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[16:31:33] <zeeshan|2> earth is not 6000 years old?
[16:31:50] * miss0r slaps zeeshan|2 with a bible
[16:32:24] <miss0r> _methods: as sarcasm doesn't translate well on ird, you'd need to add 'pun intented'
[16:32:57] <_methods> hehe
[16:34:37] <miss0r> damnit! speaking of stuff going down the toilet.. I realy realy need to make a jig that can contain the flood coolant on this workpeice. This is unforgiveably messy
[16:35:03] <miss0r> this might actualy be the flood the bible talked about
[16:36:12] <miss0r> i'm only 6mm into the plate and I think the floor is beyound saving. teaches me right to just start cutting without using my head
[16:36:29] <PetefromTn_> you could use some aluminum tape bent at right angles glued temporarily to the sides
[16:37:01] <miss0r> thats not a bad idea actuly
[16:37:51] <miss0r> only problem is, the edges was cut with a very rugged plasma cutter or a skilled guy with a torch at some point. hard to glue to that surface
[16:38:11] <PetefromTn_> glue to the top not the side thus the right angle
[16:38:17] <miss0r> I think I will build a damm wall on the top for starters
[16:38:23] <miss0r> inded :)
[16:40:48] <gonzo_> another basic question for you guys.... What param in the ini file sets the jog speed?
[16:43:33] <JT-Shop> the max jog speed?
[16:43:35] <gonzo_> The docs seem to suggest DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY, but it does not seem to have an effect
[16:44:04] <gonzo_> on AXIS, I'm trying to use the manual move
[16:44:37] <JT-Shop> the default jog speed is set by DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY
[16:44:43] <gonzo_> this seems to be limited by the slider at the bottom of the screen, but this has a very low max value
[16:44:52] <JT-Shop> MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 1.0 - The maximum velocity for linear jogs
[16:44:59] <JT-Shop> MIN_LINEAR_VELOCITY = .01 - The approximate lowest value the jog slider
[16:45:01] <gonzo_> of 60mm/min. Bu't see where this is set up
[16:45:33] <gonzo_> have tried changing this, but no effect
[16:45:49] <gonzo_> have tried changing those, but no effect
[16:47:05] <JT-Shop> what are you wanting to do?
[16:47:38] <gonzo_> trying to increase the jog speed from a pittioful max of 60mm/min
[16:51:23] <__rob> anyone using hsm works ?
[16:51:37] <__rob> cant figure out how to get the toolpath I want
[16:52:35] <g0nzo_cnc> Ah, found the\error. I had\a\typo in one of the above params.
[16:52:44] <g0nzo_cnc> cheers JT-Shop
[16:53:35] <__rob> http://i.snag.gy/rWhfd.jpg
[16:53:43] <__rob> thats the simulation
[16:54:10] <__rob> cant seem to get any of the operations to make that fillet
[16:54:32] <__rob> I wanted a ball end mill to go up and down it
[17:13:40] <miss0r> i'm off for the night. g'night people
[17:18:46] <JT-Shop> g0nzo_cnc: glad you fixed it
[17:29:57] <PetefromTn_> anybody making anything delicious for Dinner I need some ideas :D
[17:30:11] <JT-Shop> wife is cooking duck breast
[17:30:54] <PetefromTn_> not a fan of duck but only had it once or twice really so who knows
[17:31:38] <JT-Shop> I don't like it usually but this is soaked in buttermilk that will take the gamey taste I think
[17:31:55] <PetefromTn_> interesting
[17:32:05] <JT-Shop> since you asked about suggestions http://gnipsel.com/recipes/index.html
[17:32:19] <__rob> jesus, an hour trying to figure out why I cant get the right tool path and then close and reopen fixes it
[17:32:21] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/jtr/
[17:32:23] <PetefromTn_> my wife made a crock pot whole chicken the other day and I normally am not a big fan but DAMN it was good...LOL
[17:32:39] <__rob> how frustrating
[17:37:38] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda thinkin chicken nachos
[17:39:12] <Jymmm> YUCK
[17:39:13] <PetefromTn_> actually make that steak
[17:39:21] <Jymmm> there we go!
[17:39:24] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[17:39:41] <PetefromTn_> homemade nachos it is
[17:39:49] <Jymmm> with steak?
[17:40:04] <Jymmm> need a marinade?
[17:44:52] <PetefromTn_> just stir fry no?
[17:45:01] <PetefromTn_> we are investigatin' recipes now :D
[17:45:09] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: gosh no
[17:45:36] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: is it actually steak? rib eye or ???
[17:47:00] <PetefromTn_> no idea yet man going to the store now LOO
[17:47:09] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: In a ziplock bag add lime juice, crushed garlic, worchester sauce, and olive oil
[17:48:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah not sure we have time for a marinade tonight but I will try that next time
[17:48:11] <Jymmm> add in your meat, remove most of the air and seal tight, in a container and let sit for about 20m, turn over and another 20 minutes
[17:48:32] <Jymmm> 10-15m each side is okey in a pinch
[17:48:52] <PetefromTn_> hmmm
[17:49:31] <Jymmm> you want mostly lime juice though, either juice of a coupel of limes of lie juice form a contianer
[17:49:39] <Jymmm> lime*
[17:52:10] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anyone know a good channel for laser cutters?
[17:53:31] <PetefromTn_> that sounds good man
[17:53:37] <PetefromTn_> gonna have to try it
[17:55:57] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: cool
[18:00:05] <os1r1s> Tenacious-Techhu What kind?
[18:09:43] <Tenacious-Techhu> General.
[18:09:55] <Tenacious-Techhu> I need some people who know why Inkscape sucks for mechanical stuff.
[18:15:12] <os1r1s> Tenacious-Techhu I have a lasercutter, but don't use inkscape for it. Sorry
[18:15:30] <Tenacious-Techhu> What do you use?
[18:17:02] <Tenacious-Techhu> As a matter of coincidence, my Puzzle Pirate has a Monkey Familiar named Osiris... I wasn't the one to name him, though.
[18:17:27] <_methods> wtf does that sentence mean
[18:17:38] <_methods> is that like some cia secret code
[18:18:15] <Tenacious-Techhu> Nope.
[18:18:37] <os1r1s> Tenacious-Techhu I have a versalaser
[18:19:01] <Tenacious-Techhu> "Puzzle Pirates" is a game where players take various stations on a Pirate Ship; each station has its own puzzle game whose performance determines some aspect of the performance of the ship as a whole.
[18:19:17] <_methods> mmmmkay
[18:19:26] <Tenacious-Techhu> A "familiar" is the type of animal that sits on a Pirate's shoulders, as opposed to a pet, which walks around independently.
[18:19:28] <_methods> no wonder i have no idea wtf that is lol
[18:19:49] <Tenacious-Techhu> What software do you use with it, os1r1s?
[18:20:08] <os1r1s> Tenacious-Techhu Its has a plugin to Corel Draw
[18:20:25] <Tenacious-Techhu> I'd rather not rely on Corel Draw for mechanical stuff.
[18:20:29] <Tenacious-Techhu> Also, it's not free. XD
[18:20:48] <_methods> just draw it with draftsight then import dxf
[18:20:57] <Tenacious-Techhu> draftsight?
[18:20:58] <os1r1s> Tenacious-Techhu I don't use it for mechanical stuff. You asked how I ran the laser.
[18:21:11] <Tenacious-Techhu> I asked what software you used with it.
[18:21:13] <_methods> it's a free autocad clone
[18:21:14] <os1r1s> Tenacious-Techhu I use solidworks to draw what I cut
[18:21:49] <Tenacious-Techhu> _methods, is it cross-platform?
[18:21:52] <_methods> yep
[18:22:34] <_methods> https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/
[18:22:45] <_methods> pick your poison
[18:24:09] <Tenacious-Techhu> Nice enough for me to do a few projects, but it's only free for 30 days.
[18:24:22] <Tenacious-Techhu> Good to see that Dassault is finally doing Mac though.
[18:24:28] <_methods> it's free forever
[18:24:40] <XXCoder> hey toastyde1th
[18:25:10] <Tenacious-Techhu> Bah, you're right. I missed that. Very nice.
[18:25:20] <Tenacious-Techhu> Does it have any meaningful limits?
[18:25:26] <_methods> no
[18:25:31] <_methods> besides being 2d lol
[18:26:59] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anything good for this on the Open-Source front?
[18:27:12] <Tenacious-Techhu> I'll probably wind up using DraftSight anyway, but I figured I should ask.
[18:27:24] <XXCoder> fusion360 is free and 3d
[18:27:34] <XXCoder> dunno how good it was
[18:28:31] <malcom2073> free*
[18:28:38] <XXCoder> indeed
[18:42:52] <zeeshan|2> need an opinion
[18:43:07] <zeeshan|2> ive had like 4 blowouts out of 120 pieces
[18:43:12] <zeeshan|2> from material customer provided
[18:43:19] <zeeshan|2> even though ive done the work
[18:43:23] <yasnak> I really wish cam software implemented more version control ;/
[18:43:26] <zeeshan|2> but they're somewhat useable, do you still charge the customer?
[18:43:56] <zeeshan|2> solme of your older guys i bet know the answer :)
[18:44:28] <yasnak> answer is yes
[18:46:11] <yasnak> we never use customer supplied material these days, only one customer is allowed. we had to beat china on a torch tip job for american torch tip, we literally don't make any money on the actual parts. only on the scrap.
[18:50:45] <minibnz> i have been trying to cut some gears on my mini mill... they looked great but were not useable parts. the hole centers we off.. the profile was not circular.. as a test i tried milling some circle slots these are close but show some backlash.. getting the dial indicator out has just confused me..
[18:50:46] <minibnz> dealing with the x axis when i remove the backlash and tell the bed to move 1mm the dial say 0.98mm then if i say move another 1mm in the same direction the dial reads 2mm.. and this pattern repeats it self. .is the dial or the screw the issue?
[18:51:28] <minibnz> or is my steps per mm the issue?
[18:52:27] <minibnz> i first started to adjust the steps/mm value but that just resulted in all sorts of offness.. so now i have removed the backlash value and have just been trying to tweak the steps but they dont seem to make sense..
[18:52:28] <JT-Shop> if it was incorrect scale then it would not be correct anywhere, I suspect the screw
[18:52:37] <JT-Shop> have you looked at screw mapping
[18:52:39] <minibnz> ok thats what i feared..
[18:53:43] <minibnz> i really dont like the idea of having to map every mm of my screw.. they are the stock screws that came with the mill so i might get some precision ones and hold off on my gear cutting until then. the screws have 0.52mm of lash in them from factory.
[18:53:52] <JT-Shop> btw if you want a round hole boring or reaming is better
[18:53:55] <minibnz> but thats what you get in the sub 1k market :)
[18:54:22] <minibnz> yeah i know this.. the circle slot was a test to check for roundness.
[18:55:29] <minibnz> the gears i was cutting are sinusoidual lobes (ie round teeth) so the small error i see in the one big circle is multiplied 72x on my gear of 36 teeth.. this matches up with how out the gears are..
[18:56:45] <minibnz> each circle gives more error.. as i have no encoders at this time it gears will have to wait..
[18:58:10] <JT-Shop> if each circle has more error that sounds like an incorrect scale
[18:58:16] <minibnz> if i cut the circle in a clockwise motion the inside of the circle is pretty close but the outter ring is not as good, if i cut in a couter clockwise motion the inner circle is worse but the outer edge is not so circluar
[18:58:58] <minibnz> that was why i was looking at my steps/mm value. but with the dial indicator showing me something different ever 1mm its hard to tell where i have gone wrong..
[18:59:30] <JT-Shop> can you push the axis by hand and see backlash?
[18:59:52] <Tenacious-Techhu> minibnz, did you use Inkscape?
[18:59:53] * JT-Shop hears the dinner bell and he is never called late for dinner
[18:59:56] <minibnz> yup the bed will move back and forth..
[19:00:10] <JT-Shop> you need to fix that first
[19:00:12] <minibnz> <Tenacious-Techhu solid works..
[19:01:01] <minibnz> yeah thats what i am thinking.. the physical lash is what is screwing me. with all the tiny direction changes the lash is building up even thou its compensated for in the software.
[19:01:36] <yasnak> have you measured the backlash?
[19:01:41] <JT-Shop> backlash comp while it sounds like a fix really can't work to machine circles
[19:01:42] <minibnz> i thought maybe my backlash value was out.. and at first i saw 0.005 of unaccounted for lash over 0.5mm
[19:02:03] * JT-Shop heads inside for chow
[19:02:06] <yasnak> also, instead of milling a complete circle
[19:02:11] <minibnz> yeah software lash doesn't work well for compound moves..
[19:03:01] <yasnak> try pushing the table into the screws, so its always tight. cut one half then the other while keeping the same force direction
[19:03:08] <minibnz> yasnak i have measured the lash in the past with a set of DRO scaled it said 0.52mm of backlash... now my dial indicator tells me 0.525mm but its not consistient..
[19:03:22] <_methods> jeebus
[19:03:34] <_methods> yeah you might want to tighten that up lol
[19:03:40] <minibnz> I know there is LASH in the hardware... i cannot remove this without replacing the screws..
[19:04:06] <minibnz> just wanted confirmation that there is nothing in software that could be done for circles..
[19:04:37] <minibnz> esspecially for when i am cutting them out by routing a profile slot.
[19:05:08] <minibnz> if i really really must make gears with these screws i will use my dividing head.. its just easier to cut from a sheet...
[19:06:23] <_methods> with that much slop all you're going to get is a bunch of eggs
[19:08:53] <minibnz> heheheh the software compensation does quiet well.. the 20mm circles ended up 20.19 x 20.48mm its not that bad when you do only one circle, if you do interconnecting circles then things get a little messy. 0.75mm out over 75mm diameter
[19:10:02] <yasnak> I mean if its consistant...then measure it and make a model that compensates it, then run that profile haha
[19:10:05] <minibnz> i could probably do much better if i did a clean up pass at the end, but as i am cutting them out of sheet thats not a real option unless i keep 0.5mm then do the clean up then cut it out..
[19:11:23] <minibnz> heheheheh ahhh no.. the maths already hurt my head.. SW just didnt want to play nice and it took me hours to get this process sorta under control.. cut and past and making the lines all meet end to end perfect sucks arse...
[19:12:18] <minibnz> with the dividing head the maths is so much easier... get angle set depth pass, pass rotate pass pass rinse and repeat..
[19:14:50] <yasnak> as my boss would say, then what are you doing? get it done.
[19:15:09] <yasnak> spindle not spinning = no monaaaay
[19:15:24] <minibnz> no point spinning the spindle in the wrong place..
[19:15:42] <minibnz> and i dont have the $$$$ spare to buy new screws
[19:16:20] <minibnz> 0.05mm accuracy will do me for now.. just wont try cutting gears like this..
[19:16:43] <_methods> .05 wouldn't be bad
[19:16:55] <minibnz> and really this mill will never make me money... it will only save me money..
[19:17:20] <malcom2073> Getting a mill to the point where it isn't *costing* you any money is 90% of the battle :P
[19:17:30] <malcom2073> If you're into the saving point, you're golden
[19:17:49] <minibnz> heheheh yeah i have had it for a while and have used it to make all sorts of stuff but it was stored at my mates workshop
[19:18:10] <_methods> i've never had a hobby that made me money
[19:18:17] <_methods> they always seem to just cost me
[19:18:19] <minibnz> he has closed up so i have broguht it home into the spare work room. added coolant and cabinet
[19:19:53] <minibnz> need to work out how i am going to put a tool change on it.. i have made the spring loaded collet but now i have to press it down to release the tool... tried with a 40mm air piston at 100psi and its not enough.. now i dont have a air compressor i am kinda stumped how to press this spring down..
[19:20:35] <_methods> what good is a tool changer on a machine that can't cut a circle lol
[19:20:41] <minibnz> heheheheh
[19:20:55] <minibnz> i can cut lots of different sized not circles :)
[19:20:59] <_methods> hahah
[19:21:45] <minibnz> i dont want to have to get a big ass aircompressor it will piss the neighbours off really quick..
[19:22:20] <_methods> i thought i saw one where someone used an electric linear actuator
[19:22:23] <minibnz> i keep looking at the 4000psi scuba tank i have for my air rifle and think that could do it...
[19:22:30] <yasnak> get a screw compressor :P
[19:23:21] <minibnz> yasnak if i cant afford new lead screws do you really think a screw compressor is anywhere in my future?
[19:23:38] <os1r1s> minibnz Have you looked at a fabco air cylinder?
[19:24:41] <yasnak> i kidd
[19:25:23] <PetefromTn_> heh I had bought one of those electric linear actuators for the RF45 power drawbar but I never got around to building it
[19:26:47] <minibnz> osiris no i have not.. i only need 10mm of travel but its going to require something like a 100mm piston at 100psi to push it down
[19:27:07] <os1r1s> minibnz They have ones on ebay that fit those specs
[19:27:08] <os1r1s> Or more
[19:27:18] <os1r1s> minibnz Its what hossmachine recommends
[19:28:01] <minibnz> i have been looking on ebay but i no longer have aceess to shop air... and it seems bit over kill to buy a compressor just for one piston..
[19:28:12] <os1r1s> Ahh, ok
[19:28:39] <minibnz> i had access to shop air at the workshop but i have moved this back into my flat..
[19:29:11] <minibnz> while i do have a place i could put the compressor it will just piss off the neighbours the first time i forget to turn it off and it cycles in the middle of the night..
[19:29:48] <PetefromTn_> you can get very quiet airbrush compressors that will probably work for as much as you would need it
[19:29:54] <minibnz> i think i need over 400lbs of push on this spring.. and had thought a electric actuator would not really be feasble...
[19:30:11] <PetefromTn_> this one I have would easily do that
[19:30:19] <PetefromTn_> its a screw type
[19:30:22] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Thats true. I have two of the badger ones that worked well till I got a bigger one
[19:30:34] <minibnz> petefromtn_ i need 100psi+ if i can find a fat enough piston that is not going to cost me the end of the world..
[19:31:07] <PetefromTn_> again linear actuators like this have been done for power drawbars on the benchtop mills
[19:31:12] <os1r1s> minibnz An MP3 by fabco would give you 1500-2500 lbs of force at 90 psi
[19:32:07] <minibnz> hmmm just need 90psi :)
[19:32:34] <os1r1s> I believe you can find ones that have less force at less PSI
[19:33:54] <minibnz> of course i could just use the bigger one with less pres to get that too ::)
[19:35:34] <minibnz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-inches-150mm-1320LBS-6000N-Linear-actuator-12V-DC-/161873882455?hash=item25b06f6d57:g:gNQAAOSwDNdV3YVy
[19:35:59] <minibnz> that wouldnt be too bad :) bit too long but that could worked around.. and only $60
[19:36:21] <minibnz> thought it would need a much larger motor...
[19:43:17] <Erant> Question.
[19:43:31] <Erant> How much is this guy actually worth: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/tls/5404331205.html
[19:44:10] <Erant> It has a 3 jaw and a 4 jaw, but doesn't look like all that much in the way of tooling.
[19:44:45] <Erant> It seems like $600 is roughly what they go for, looking around.
[19:44:50] <_methods> yeah
[19:44:55] <_methods> $600 is about right
[19:45:13] <Erant> k, I think I can convince the guy to haul it to my place in his truck too, so.
[19:45:16] <_methods> i got mine for $500
[19:45:39] <_methods> but i've seen them go for up to $1500
[19:46:16] <Erant> Damn. This one's in OK condition, from the pictures, but it's not a work of art.
[19:46:35] <_methods> the hobby crowd tends to snatch them up pretty quick
[19:46:50] <Erant> This one's been up on CL for like 3 weeks for some reason.
[19:47:16] <_methods> the 3phase thing might be scaring people
[19:47:27] <Erant> Seeing as I'm "done" with my CNC conversion on the mill, it's time for that lathe :)
[19:47:35] <Erant> It's actually 220v single phase.
[19:47:41] <_methods> yeah i see that
[19:47:42] <Erant> Which I can do with a transformer.
[19:47:56] <_methods> but 3phase is in the ad
[19:48:05] <_methods> just that word tends to run off a lot of people
[19:48:14] <Erant> Heh. Yeah, I could see that.
[19:48:26] <Erant> I figured even if it was 3 phase, I'd put a new motor in there.
[19:48:29] <_methods> yeah
[19:48:33] <_methods> it's easy to replace the motor
[19:48:50] <minibnz> yeah 1 hp single phase motor wont be that big or hard to find
[19:48:56] <_methods> i need to replace mine with one of those sewing machine servo motors
[19:49:33] <_methods> don't expect to cut metric threads without a hassle
[19:49:41] <_methods> you have to leave the halfnut engaged
[19:49:58] <_methods> stop spindle
[19:50:01] <_methods> back tool off
[19:50:07] <_methods> them move back to start point
[19:50:18] <_methods> s/them/then
[19:50:28] <_methods> real PITA
[19:50:57] <minibnz> oh on my dads lathe i have always left the feed engaged make a pass pull the tool back then reverse the drive to the start push the tool back in and spind forwards again..
[19:51:12] <_methods> so if you plan to cut a lot of metric threads you might want to look at something else
[19:51:57] <Erant> _methods: I'm not. Mostly imperial.
[19:52:05] <_methods> then you should be happy with it
[19:52:12] <_methods> just dont' expect to take monster cuts
[19:52:24] <Erant> The odd metric when it's an existing part, but should be minimal if at all.
[19:52:35] <_methods> yeah i just use a die
[19:52:49] <Erant> Nah, I mean, I have a micro mill, I'm not expecting the world of any tool I use ;)
[19:53:04] <minibnz> as a metric baby i dont get the desire of imperial anything
[19:53:09] <_methods> yeah if you're cool with that then it's a great little lathe
[19:53:14] <_methods> you just have to treat it right
[19:53:33] <Erant> It's sort of this one, or a Sieg. So...
[19:53:43] <_methods> id' get that over the sieg any day
[19:53:47] <Erant> Right.
[19:54:28] <minibnz> seig is ok but its not great. .you will need to tweak it a lot to make it equal to that old beast that was built right...
[19:55:14] <minibnz> i have a x2 mill i looked at the sx2 that has the lathe built in but i didnt like its axis they just felt wrong.
[19:55:46] <minibnz> looking for a lathe soon. .it wont be a seig.. i will lash out and get me a halfco or something
[19:56:07] <Erant> minibnz: Right, I have a Sieg SX1P
[19:56:31] <Erant> And it took a lot of tuning, and it's still not quite where I want it to be.
[19:57:01] <Erant> But it's getting there. The dovetail on the Z isn't great. There's an inherent 0.005" backlash in the design :/
[19:57:31] <Erant> Might help if I get a delrin gib though.
[19:57:46] <minibnz> yeah that little baby is just not big enough to start with.. i find i hit the limits on the x2 and sometime wish i got the x3 for the bigger bed and motor.. but then i just say its CNC'd so just take your time :) a bit of extra post height wouldnt go astray though..
[19:58:09] <_methods> doesn't matter what machine you get you'll always want a bigger one lol
[19:58:17] <minibnz> hehehh this is true too :)
[19:58:28] <Erant> Yeah, I think I'm going to put a 1 or 2" riser on my Z.
[19:58:38] <Erant> There's a bunch of unused dovetail at the bottom.
[19:59:02] <minibnz> my mate got give a full size knee mill for free.. we are going to CNC that beast soon :) i will use that for anything big :)
[19:59:08] <Erant> Nice!
[19:59:34] <Erant> Alright, time to go stroll around Super Bowl village with the wife for a little bit.
[19:59:58] <Erant> Thanks for the help guys, I'll see if I can close that Atlas deal soon.
[20:00:15] <minibnz> erant i havnt thought about doing that.. extend it at the base.. :) i want to power the tilt but still not certain.. one of these linear actuators might be good enough with a gass strut or two
[20:01:38] <os1r1s> minibnz I have a taig and am in the process of CNCing a PM25MV for the bump in size
[20:05:29] <FloppyDisk> This might be old news, but someone on the IRC was looking for the Tormach duality lathe attachment.
[20:05:30] <FloppyDisk> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tormach-Duality-4th-Axis-CNC-Lathe-NO-RESERVE-/331767574578
[20:09:52] <minibnz> this quote is funny as.. In practice, the X2 is a box of parts held together by chance and good intentions, and I can't run mine more than an hour or two without something coming loose.
[20:10:11] <minibnz> i have not found this to be the case :) maybe i am very lucky :)
[20:11:32] <os1r1s> I've had very good luck with my Taig
[20:17:18] <minibnz> ok it looks like its possible to split my stock nuts.. might go tip of my mill and have me a look at whats involved.. i have to take the head off tomorrow to install new steel head gears i think i have a tooth going on the plastic stock ones.. i realy should have spent the extra and went belt drive..
[20:18:33] <_methods> it's much nicer on the ears for sure
[20:19:05] <_methods> i can't imagine how loud the steel gears will be
[20:47:15] <minibnz> hmm i just emailed the guys.. explained i have buyers remorse and asked if they stock the the belt kit as i could not find it on their ebay store and would they consider a swap.
[20:47:36] <minibnz> i havent even received them yet. they should arrive tomorrow
[20:48:08] <minibnz> maybe i can drown out a bit of the noise if i drown them in oil :)
[20:48:23] <minibnz> might have troubles sealing the x2 head though..
[20:49:29] <minibnz> add a kilo or two of grease :)
[20:50:38] <minibnz> i have the nuts in my hands now. oh that was a messy job.. and for that reason its not going back together until i split them :)
[20:51:19] <zeeshan|2> <3 linuxcnc
[20:51:30] <zeeshan|2> 80 hours of straight not stop action
[20:51:36] <minibnz> nice...
[20:51:53] <zeeshan|2> my only complaint is the dialog box
[20:51:55] <zeeshan|2> that is it :P
[20:52:03] <minibnz> nice...
[20:52:29] <minibnz> i get these random ratpi errors i really should sort out.. i think its cuz its not setup right..
[20:52:46] <minibnz> or that the cpu gets too hot and slows down..
[20:53:09] <zeeshan|2> w/ mesa|?
[20:53:11] <os1r1s> zeeshan|2 On your gigantic mill? What the hell could take that long?
[20:53:22] <zeeshan|2> os1r1s: doing a big production run
[20:53:31] <minibnz> nah thats with a par port card.. mesa is on the wish list
[20:53:31] <zeeshan|2> it stops only few a few mins at a time
[20:53:42] <zeeshan|2> those vape bodies
[20:54:29] <minibnz> ok lets see will i snap a bandsaw blade or cut my finger tips first... im taking bets.... :)
[20:54:59] <gregcnc> for 7i77 can 0-10V/DIR spindle be fully set up in pncconf?
[20:55:15] <Sync> zeeshan|2: you clearly need a roboter and pallets
[20:55:22] <zeeshan|2> Sync: i am the robot
[20:55:26] <zeeshan|2> =D
[20:55:42] <os1r1s> Sync We use those on our chiron's at work. They are awesome
[20:55:44] <minibnz> just cuz you get paid like a robot :0
[20:55:54] <Sync> ye, but then you could run it 24/7 without you being there
[20:56:01] <Sync> wifey could just prepare the pallets
[20:56:05] <zeeshan|2> os1r1s: you guys have chirons ??
[20:56:07] <zeeshan|2> which model?
[20:56:31] <os1r1s> zeeshan|2 I don't recall off hand. I have a picture somewhere
[20:56:38] <zeeshan|2> when i was working at gates
[20:56:41] <zeeshan|2> we had a few of those!
[20:56:44] <zeeshan|2> they had sinumerik controls
[20:56:48] <zeeshan|2> 810 d i think
[20:56:57] <os1r1s> We are moving towards those rather than our doosans
[20:57:11] <zeeshan|2> well considering a tier 1 company has it
[20:57:12] <os1r1s> And our swiss turn machines for our screws
[20:57:19] <zeeshan|2> i trust em!
[20:57:37] <zeeshan|2> you know whats weird?
[20:57:43] <zeeshan|2> i've been to a lot of industrial places.. a lot!!
[20:57:47] <zeeshan|2> and i've never ever seen a doosan before
[20:57:54] <zeeshan|2> or a brother cnc
[20:58:07] <Sync> neither have I :D
[20:58:15] <zeeshan|2> they look like awesome machines
[20:58:17] <zeeshan|2> im not sure why?
[20:58:19] <zeeshan|2> bad marketing?
[20:58:46] <zeeshan|2> the chirons we had at work
[20:58:49] <zeeshan|2> had multiple spindles
[20:58:51] <os1r1s> zeeshan|2 https://www.dropbox.com/s/sjbx1rwi1i1uac3/shop2.jpg?dl=0
[20:58:55] <zeeshan|2> they gang drilled
[20:58:55] <os1r1s> Those
[20:58:58] <zeeshan|2> fuck whyd my comp go
[20:58:58] <zeeshan|2> brb
[20:59:12] <os1r1s> And these ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/ix261n7pzvmzggb/shop3.jpg?dl=0
[20:59:50] <zeeshan|2> phew
[20:59:57] <zeeshan|2> nice os1r1s
[21:00:02] <zeeshan|2> i remember now
[21:00:05] <zeeshan|2> check this out
[21:00:06] <zeeshan|2> http://www.chiron.de/uploads/media/B2-1-1000-TZ_04.jpg
[21:00:11] <zeeshan|2> this is what the spindle looked like on the machine lol
[21:00:15] <zeeshan|2> its so trippy :D
[21:00:19] <os1r1s> That is beautiful
[21:01:08] <Kevin`> so shiny
[21:01:14] <zeeshan|2> that tool changer on the doosan
[21:01:15] <zeeshan|2> nice
[21:01:36] <zeeshan|2> ours wasnt that shiny :P
[21:01:47] <zeeshan|2> i remember one thing about working there
[21:01:51] <zeeshan|2> the coolant STANK
[21:01:52] <zeeshan|2> it drove me insane.
[21:02:09] <zeeshan|2> it smelled like rotting peanuts?
[21:02:55] <os1r1s> We have really good ventilators so I can't smell it much.
[21:03:23] <zeeshan|2> you will if you stand next to the machine
[21:03:23] <zeeshan|2> :P
[21:04:05] <minibnz> wow my band saw is having a time cutting these nuts.. no cut fingers or snapped blades yet.. my fingers got a little warm and i decided to stop for a bit let it cool down. i am 1/3rd of the way thru the side of each nut.. no going back now :)
[21:04:25] <zeeshan|2> minibnz: why dont you just use a hack saw
[21:04:29] <zeeshan|2> =D
[21:04:32] <minibnz> 24th blade should be good enough for this metal.. :)
[21:05:06] <zeeshan|2> wow
[21:05:11] <zeeshan|2> i was googling chiron pics..
[21:05:14] <zeeshan|2> and i found this pic randomly
[21:05:15] <zeeshan|2> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Y95PC8CB7Fk/maxresdefault.jpg
[21:05:29] <zeeshan|2> some creeper bastard checking out the women thru the machine
[21:05:30] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:05:36] <minibnz> well three reasons.. a) i have a bandsaw & b) i dont like to sweat see a.. & c) i cant cut straight with a hack saw to save my life..
[21:05:48] <zeeshan|2> minibnz: you wouldnt cut your finger
[21:05:49] <minibnz> hehehe
[21:05:59] <minibnz> just my knuckles :)
[21:06:00] <zeeshan|2> cause it sounds very wrong if you're truly risking cutting your finger :P
[21:06:23] <zeeshan|2> unfortunately we're not lizards :(
[21:06:26] <minibnz> its going so slow i really doubt i will clip my finger..
[21:06:41] <minibnz> i will use a push block once i get near the end :)
[21:07:41] <Sync> zeeshan|2: cleaning a machine with coolant that went over is really annoying
[21:07:45] <minibnz> as a youngster i my finger met spinning circular saw blade and it took a nice chunck out.. you wouldnt want to loose any more :) so i am careful but dont let it hold me back from tryin :)
[21:07:55] <zeeshan|2> Sync: i've done it :(
[21:08:02] <Sync> but most of the times you get away with a skimmer and an aereator
[21:08:07] <minibnz> i have a nice little divot in the side of my rude finger :)
[21:08:07] <Sync> yeah, it sucks
[21:08:10] <zeeshan|2> i was an "operation technician" after finishing college
[21:08:16] <zeeshan|2> did that for a summer then went to university
[21:08:27] <zeeshan|2> i used a shop vac to suck it all out :D
[21:10:17] <Sync> the problem with ours was the bacterial growth, so you had to disinfect everything
[21:10:22] <Sync> did not work 2 times
[21:10:27] <Sync> you they had to do it all over
[21:10:35] <zeeshan|2> gross
[21:10:36] <zeeshan|2> :D
[21:12:02] <Sync> ye
[21:13:15] <Sync> braaaap
[21:13:34] <minibnz> eeewwww... that makes me want to add a ozone generator to my tank :)
[21:13:48] <Sync> well
[21:13:57] <Sync> just don't put drinks in it or piss in it
[21:14:00] <Sync> and skim the oil
[21:14:00] <minibnz> but that will cause corosion..
[21:14:14] <os1r1s> minibnz Does your X2 have way oilers?
[21:14:49] <minibnz> nope i have to grease it by hand.. so i am considering marine wheel bearing grease
[21:15:02] <minibnz> now i have coolant its going to need something to stop the rust
[21:15:56] <Sync> oil your ways
[21:16:02] <Sync> grease will kill them
[21:16:21] <minibnz> if i add a pump to the head gearbox i might think about way oilers. you can get some nice peristalic pumps on ebay pretty cheap i wonder if it will do...
[21:16:42] <Sync> just get a regular oiling pump and a few volume distributors
[21:16:45] <minibnz> oh gease killing? how so please explain oh wise one?
[21:17:30] <minibnz> i thought grease would have been good for it.. so last time i used this red penrite machinery grease.. its still there now.
[21:21:34] <Sync> well, there are different reasons, usually grease tends to collect shavings more and in theory you want your ways to float on an oil film when they are moving
[21:21:37] <os1r1s> Sync How important are the grooves in the ways?
[21:22:13] <minibnz> ok that makes sense..
[21:22:32] <minibnz> will look into a oiler pump setup.
[21:23:37] <Sync> well, they distribute your oil over the whole way
[21:25:25] <minibnz> hmm interesting i can see how i would add this to my mill.. means stripping it apart again when get the $$$
[21:25:57] <Sync> just drill the fittings out, tap the holes and attach the hoses
[21:31:31] <minibnz> the write up i am looking at now shows him milling slots in to the faces is that eally required?
[21:31:43] <minibnz> how much pressure do i need?
[21:33:05] <minibnz> still trying to find out the nitty gritty of how and why :)
[21:34:49] <minibnz> this seems overkill for a x2 :) $200 for a kit on ebay, cant read any details cuz its in german and my german only extends as far as beer and sausages..
[21:41:50] <minibnz> oh almost thru the nuts.. 5mm to go.. this is where the flesh is on the line :) the last bit :)
[21:43:43] <minibnz> these nuts are cast iron or something.. its not like normal metals i have played with.
[21:44:26] <_methods> some of that high quality chinese steel lol
[21:44:31] <minibnz> hehehe yup
[21:45:14] <minibnz> the stuff we (australia )sent as prime grade iron ore only to be mixed with old rusty crap
[21:45:28] <minibnz> and sold back to us at a premium to boot..
[21:45:55] <minibnz> gotta love the world ecconomics that go on dont ya.. it dont seem like it makes sense..
[21:48:42] <minibnz> ok i jsut trimed my finger nails a bit more... that way i can see where i start and the block starts :) its about 18mm thick and i am splitting it alsmot down the middle..
[21:49:10] <minibnz> maybe i should take the pain killers now...
[21:49:35] <minibnz> and get it done beore they kick in :P
[21:49:38] <zeeshan|2> anyone here store wd40 in ldpe?
[21:57:52] <os1r1s> Anyone know what this thing is called that is hooked to the leadscrew (under the pulley) http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/MillStuff/CNC/Servos/P1011010.JPG
[21:58:53] <_methods> just some sort of flange
[21:59:42] <os1r1s> _methods It almost looks like he coupled a leadscrew to a bolt.
[21:59:59] <os1r1s> And somehow did that within that part
[22:02:18] <_methods> i'm not sure what's going on with that
[22:03:16] <_methods> could be some kind of bearing cap
[22:03:51] <_methods> hard to tell from the angle of that picture
[22:04:12] <os1r1s> Yeah
[22:04:27] <os1r1s> Irritating that there doesn't seem to me more docs
[22:04:55] <_methods> what is it supposed to be?
[22:08:24] <os1r1s> Well, I'm looking for a good way of building a belt reduction for my pm25
[22:08:31] <os1r1s> And that looks very similar to what I want
[22:28:47] <DammitCoetzee> os1r1s http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/MillStuff/CNC/Servos/P1011009.JPG
[22:29:02] <os1r1s> DammitCoetzee Yes?
[22:29:22] <DammitCoetzee> it looks like he just replaced the giant zero adjust wheel and handle assembly that's attatched to the leadscrew with a gear
[22:29:48] <os1r1s> The gear is diff than that flange
[22:29:56] <DammitCoetzee> usually there's a knurled thing that you can turn on that thread to push everythinthing togehter, which is probably what that thing with the bolt patter in it is doing
[22:31:55] <os1r1s> I dunno. I may just email him
[22:35:06] <DammitCoetzee> Probably the easiest way
[23:49:48] <minibnz> oh what an ordeal.. i have the slides back on with the split nut mod installed.. just gotta remount the motors and then test time.. it feeeeellllls soooo much nicer almost like the handles are connected to something....
[23:50:53] <minibnz> greased the jibs with lithium grease. i know oil is the way to go but this is lighter and only makes a little film reports are its ok..
[23:51:52] <minibnz> now i guess seeing as i have gone this far i probably should lift the head off and give it a going over..maybe pack out the rack and pinion and see if i can remove some more play up there..
[23:52:34] <minibnz> the slides are feeling a little heavy so maybe i might back the jib screws off a tad.