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[02:25:24] <Deejay> moin
[06:01:35] <jthornton> morning
[06:01:44] <archivist> moaning
[06:02:24] <XXCoder> mooning
[07:54:28] <kb8wmc> +
[07:54:30] <kb8wmc> `
[09:52:32] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[10:28:05] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/bfs/5400852399.html WARNER SWASEY No 3 ENGINE LATHE - $17500
[10:28:31] <CaptHindsight> heh I usually find these for $500 tops or please just get it out of here
[10:28:45] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:28:59] <zeeshan|2> i think he added one extra zero
[10:29:33] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/bfs/5414709409.html mori seiki sl-5 - $3000
[10:29:44] <CaptHindsight> fair price if it's working
[10:31:05] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: what model lathe did you get to retrofit?
[10:31:15] <archivist> that lathe seller forgot the decimal point
[10:31:29] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: nakamura tome tmc 3
[10:31:31] <CaptHindsight> $175.00
[10:31:45] <PetefromTn_> or forgot a decimal point ;)
[10:32:43] <CaptHindsight> that Mori ^^ is a pretty good size
[10:33:09] <CaptHindsight> Weight: 16050
[10:33:14] <CaptHindsight> seems high
[10:33:36] <Roguish_> hey all. has anyone retrofit a Haas VF machine?
[10:33:46] <Roguish_> VF4
[10:33:55] <Roguish_> circa 1995
[10:34:35] <enleth> That Mori seems to be an excellent deal
[10:35:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321983988044 Mazak SlantTurn 35 ATC MC ~$4k
[10:35:15] <enleth> And it was apparently put up on CL by a machinist - a liquidator or something wouldn't write about "making chips"
[10:35:36] <CaptHindsight> according to the specs the Mori has a larger work envelope
[10:36:36] <CaptHindsight> the Mazak does live tooling but the Mori does not
[10:38:18] <CaptHindsight> the Mazak is 5000 lbs lighter
[10:38:43] <CaptHindsight> and the travels actually are slightly larger when you dig into the details
[10:39:37] <zeeshan|2> could someone re-ship something to me
[10:39:38] <zeeshan|2> from usa
[10:39:41] <zeeshan|2> its free shipping to usa :P
[10:39:57] <CaptHindsight> package of flour? :)
[10:40:01] <zeeshan|2> haha no
[10:40:04] <zeeshan|2> its a manual for my machine
[10:40:15] <zeeshan|2> actually ithink i can ship to the border
[10:40:18] <zeeshan|2> and pick it up
[10:41:21] <CaptHindsight> documents get a break on shipping
[10:44:20] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: how far is your drive down to Niagra Falls NY? 1/2 hour?
[10:44:31] <zeeshan|2> yes
[10:44:42] <zeeshan|2> by the time you cross border and get a probe up your butt
[10:44:44] <zeeshan|2> about 1hr
[10:44:48] <CaptHindsight> how afar are you from St. Catherines?
[10:44:53] <zeeshan|2> 20 min
[10:45:04] <CaptHindsight> I used to go that way
[10:46:11] <CaptHindsight> if you cross the border for a few minutes to they get extra suspicious?
[10:46:17] <CaptHindsight> to/do
[10:47:18] <CaptHindsight> "Didn't you just leave?"
[10:51:43] <zeeshan|2> lol
[10:51:50] <zeeshan|2> nah i think its normal
[10:51:53] <zeeshan|2> some people work over the border
[10:52:39] <CaptHindsight> "I was getting bad US coffee and doughnuts, for my wife"
[10:53:15] <CaptHindsight> maybe I'll check out the Mori today, not far
[10:53:37] <gregcnc> What are you going to make on it?
[10:54:30] <CaptHindsight> kniption valves and fittings, magneto turn-offs, the usual :)
[10:54:58] <CaptHindsight> I'm more interested in the mazak
[10:55:17] <CaptHindsight> live tooling is handy
[10:55:53] <CaptHindsight> but the Mori could be modded since I'd pull the controls off anyway
[10:56:29] <gregcnc> I'm so frustrated I didn't plan enough to bid on a machine i wanted. i didn't think the price would go so high. now the guy who did buy it found me on youtube and needed help powering it.
[10:57:43] <gregcnc> Yeah live tools look like a lot of fun. Does a machine that old have C axis or just indexing?
[10:58:00] <zeeshan|2> which machine greg
[10:58:14] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/ArYkqQ1rFuw?t=48s heh I like when they use a giant marker on the panel
[10:58:26] <CaptHindsight> for extra labels
[10:58:42] <gregcnc> A small Emco lathe
[10:59:22] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: http://images.craigslist.org/00N0N_3URwTx5S3gG_600x450.jpg
[10:59:58] <CaptHindsight> pretty sure the C is capable of more than just indexing
[11:00:36] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glsEopVt3O8
[11:00:44] <zeeshan|2> i hope mine is running like this soon !
[11:00:46] <zeeshan|2> its quick!
[11:01:23] <CaptHindsight> zippy
[11:01:43] <gregcnc> steam punk spindle speed
[11:05:40] <gregcnc> is this that smae Mazak? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXh-q7FSQCo
[11:06:31] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[11:09:14] <CaptHindsight> I could resurface lots of rotors with that thing!
[11:10:31] <zeeshan|2> =/
[11:10:36] <zeeshan|2> dont abuse your lathe like that
[11:11:21] <gregcnc> they were made on a lathe to begin with?
[11:11:23] <CaptHindsight> EMCO Mentor 10 Metal Lathe w/ Milling Machine Attachment $3,295.00
[11:11:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nice-EMCO-Mentor-10-Metal-Lathe-w-Milling-Machine-Attachment/131703700730
[11:13:06] <gregcnc> I'm after a CNC, but would replace my Clausing with an Emco Super 11 any day.
[11:15:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-CNC-Interact-1-Heidenhain-Control-Tnc151-Bad-Display-30-NMTB-/381376848243
[11:15:42] <CaptHindsight> wasn't someone looking for one of these? $3k or best
[11:16:06] <gregcnc> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/5397693815.html this one has been listed for a long time
[11:16:37] <CaptHindsight> looks clean
[11:17:04] <CaptHindsight> are those cat30?
[11:18:51] <CaptHindsight> only 1K rpm?
[11:22:09] <CaptHindsight> Hurco M2 $1950 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hurco-M2-CNC-Milling-machine-/262228279149
[11:23:01] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: tiny one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emco-PC-Mill-30-Trainer-Countertop-CNC-Milling-Machine-w-Fanuc-Control-Board-/191792583240
[11:23:27] <Gaston|Home> gregcnc: private messages :)
[11:43:30] <gregcnc> that PCMill 30 sold at auction for $500
[11:44:29] <zeeshan|2> =D
[11:45:33] <zeeshan|2> finally
[11:45:53] <zeeshan|2> 1 year later, and i finally use the hole table again
[11:46:00] <zeeshan|2> makes life so easy
[11:46:33] <gregcnc> I'm surprised this sold with no guarantee it works www.ebay.com/itm/181936761682? and i thought the dealer overpaid at $4000 at the auction.
[11:47:10] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4lgnel1y31mkcak/BASE-PLATE-TAP.PDF?dl=0
[11:47:14] <zeeshan|2> pretty clear to understand?
[11:51:48] <malcom2073_> zeeshan|2: 404 is indeed perfectly clear :P
[11:52:21] <zeeshan|2> link dont work?
[11:52:38] <zeeshan|2> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p42j7f3iodbnvgk/BASE-PLATE-TAP-SHARE.PDF?dl=0
[11:53:42] <aventtini6> whatupppppppppp
[11:53:45] <aventtini6> :)))
[11:53:50] <zeeshan|2> hi aventtini6
[11:53:59] <aventtini6> whats new?
[11:54:05] <aventtini6> mesa stock :)))
[11:54:39] <gregcnc> zee looks clear. wouldn't you call for a certain tread % rather than drill size?
[11:59:20] <zeeshan|2> greg i made the decision of ~75% thread percentage
[12:00:19] <CaptHindsight> how come the Mori's are 4-5K lbs heavier than the equivalent Mazak's?
[12:00:34] <zeeshan|2> capt i personally think mori's are way beter lathes
[12:00:38] <aventtini6> guys any news with the stock of mesa i need a combo 7i77
[12:00:40] <zeeshan|2> way better built
[12:01:03] <CaptHindsight> 50% better :)
[12:01:12] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[12:01:35] <CaptHindsight> converting to live tooling is the current issue
[12:02:21] <zeeshan|2> its a pain in the ass
[12:02:23] <zeeshan|2> to convert to live tooling
[12:02:35] <zeeshan|2> because your motor would be in the way
[12:02:39] <CaptHindsight> pain for you why?
[12:02:41] <zeeshan|2> the way i was thinking of doing it on mine
[12:02:46] <CaptHindsight> ah ok
[12:02:52] <zeeshan|2> was having the motor face the same way as the lathe spindle
[12:03:06] <zeeshan|2> but you gotta make it compact enough
[12:03:09] <zeeshan|2> so it doesnt slam into shit
[12:03:11] <gregcnc> Standard 6-32 UNC -2B callout then?
[12:03:13] <zeeshan|2> when it's changing tools
[12:03:35] <zeeshan|2> greg the drawing is going to a non machinist
[12:03:43] <zeeshan|2> they have no clue what 2b means
[12:03:54] <zeeshan|2> or how to find out the thread engagement from that
[12:04:02] <gregcnc> OK dont' ask machinist/frater/desgner then ;0
[12:04:07] <zeeshan|2> haha
[12:04:09] <gregcnc> drafter
[12:04:10] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMBi4l5IL2I bigger Mori with live tooling
[12:04:20] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: i learned something quickly at my day job
[12:04:32] <zeeshan|2> sometimes you have to draft to the skill level of the person reading it
[12:04:46] <zeeshan|2> which i totally hate doing
[12:04:56] <zeeshan|2> because im all about ansi 14.5
[12:04:59] <gregcnc> sure
[12:05:29] <archivist> never mind the standard, is it readable :)
[12:05:44] <gregcnc> now I understand note 2
[12:05:49] <Sync_> hm, motor side pulley is glued, I hope it holds up :D
[12:06:10] <gregcnc> Capt, those push 200k I think
[12:06:21] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sliQtKUFTUk Mazak Model Slant Turn 35NATC MC CNC
[12:06:32] <Sync_> zeeshan|2: buy 10 chinese spindles and put them on the turret
[12:06:38] <zeeshan|2> lol
[12:06:46] <zeeshan|2> those thing wouldnt handle a 1/2" end mill
[12:06:49] <zeeshan|2> blow apart on first cut
[12:07:00] <Sync_> depends on how hard you run them
[12:07:23] <zeeshan|2> if they can't handle a 3/16" doc in 6061
[12:07:28] <zeeshan|2> .50 woc
[12:07:29] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: for the newer Mori's with live tooling?
[12:07:35] <zeeshan|2> they're not worth it
[12:07:37] <zeeshan|2> cause thats a light cut
[12:08:16] <Sync_> idk, I hever have seen one of them in an actual machine
[12:08:57] <CaptHindsight> I guess I could just mount a decent lathe on a VMC
[12:09:02] <Sync_> I know nick müller has one on his maho
[12:11:03] <Sync_> I'm actually thinking about getting one of those chinese ATC catridge spindles
[12:11:10] <Sync_> you can't really fuck them up that bad
[12:11:39] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I could just build my own from scratch. Then it would be done the way I want without having to be concerned about patents
[12:11:59] <gregcnc> yeah those NL2500, that one has Y axis it may be even more IDK.
[12:12:24] <gregcnc> using patents in your oe equipment is fine until someone finds out
[12:12:41] <CaptHindsight> I'd just pick some standard tooling for it to work with
[12:13:27] <CaptHindsight> still that Mori for <$2500 isn't bad
[12:13:53] <gregcnc> nearly free, if ways aren't worn to hell
[12:14:08] <CaptHindsight> have to see
[12:14:45] <CaptHindsight> was only used by a little old lady on Sunday to cut sand cored materials
[12:14:50] <CaptHindsight> :(
[12:15:03] <gregcnc> right plast only with oil for cooant
[12:15:06] <gregcnc> plastic
[12:15:13] <gregcnc> fingers not working
[12:15:56] <Sync_> as long as the wipers work that's not a problem CaptHindsight
[12:16:40] <AndChat|122100> Hi peps THX for Linux cnc
[12:19:02] <gregcnc> machine wear all depends on how accurate you need to be
[12:19:59] <gregcnc> if ways sag .001" and you need to be ±.0002, it's tricky
[12:20:48] <archivist> just compensate as you go along
[12:21:25] <gregcnc> depends how much scrap management expects.
[12:22:17] <archivist> I made a one off steam valve stem took a lot of concentration to adjust each pass
[12:24:28] <gregcnc> then maintenance starts changing backlash settings and screws all the programs that has those little tweaks
[12:50:20] <Kevin`> yar
[12:52:47] <tiwake> Kevin`: I have a new waifu
[12:52:59] <tiwake> XD
[12:54:21] <monsterblabla> Is nema17 good enogh for cnc
[12:56:13] <Jymmm> monsterblabla: how big is your cnc?
[13:16:50] <monsterblabla> Hi
[13:20:27] <monsterblabla> Is a nema 17 string engouh for cnc
[13:21:18] <Jymmm> monsterblabla: 2016-01-30.10:31:25 Jymmm: monsterblabla: how big is your cnc?
[13:22:49] <monsterblabla> At first i want too usw it wood
[13:23:31] <monsterblabla> But woulf be good if i could work with al too
[13:25:22] <malcom2073_> At very *low* speeds it would likely work, but a machine designed around a nema17 is likely too small to be sturdy enough
[13:26:19] <malcom2073_> Your screw TPI will have an effect, the finer it is, the more force you'll get out of the nema17
[13:28:00] <malcom2073_> monsterblabla: Nema23 is a good compromise for a small machine, what is your frame?
[13:30:52] <monsterblabla> I am sorry to say that i am only about to design my cnc
[13:31:18] <monsterblabla> So i am about to gather info
[13:31:28] <malcom2073_> Gathering info is good :)
[13:31:33] <monsterblabla> And what about the costs
[13:32:01] <monsterblabla> First of is to learn
[13:33:05] <malcom2073_> If you're buying everything new and not finding deals/scrapping, you should expect to spend about $600-$1k assuming you know what you're doing to build a decent tabletop router.
[13:33:13] <malcom2073_> Decent being something that can cut wood/plastic
[13:33:47] <monsterblabla> Yes
[13:34:30] <monsterblabla> 1 k is high Ende for me
[13:34:37] <monsterblabla> :D
[13:35:12] <malcom2073_> There are of course, way cheaper options (using plumbing pipe and skateboard wheels for your linear rails)
[13:35:22] <malcom2073_> But with the reduction in cost, comes a serious reduction in quality
[13:36:02] <monsterblabla> Hmm that is expected :D
[14:08:01] <Jymmm> Heh http://www.ebay.com/itm/SH-2200H-10-4-Screen-CNC-Control-System-For-Flame-Plasma-Cutting-Machine-THC-/151894979632
[14:13:36] <tiwake> Jymmm: flame plasma
[14:24:28] <CaptHindsight> wow that Mori SL-5 is actually hooked up and running
[14:24:34] <CaptHindsight> needs nothing
[14:24:44] <zeeshan|2> buy it!!!!!!!1
[14:24:47] <zeeshan|2> fast!
[14:25:18] <CaptHindsight> but the Mazak has live tooling
[14:25:26] <CaptHindsight> I have room for both
[14:26:33] <CaptHindsight> Approximate Machine Weight - 18,000 Lbs.
[14:26:43] <CaptHindsight> they are gaining weight as I check
[14:27:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.wotol.com/1-mori-seiki-fanuc-6tb-cnc-control-max-2500-rpm-sl/second-hand-machinery/prod_id/675546
[14:27:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.onlycnc.com/machineList/OnlyCNC483.html
[14:28:45] <CaptHindsight> https://www.machinetools.com/en/for-sale/328073-mori-seiki-sl-5-cnc-lathes
[14:29:15] <tiwake> no C axis
[14:29:29] <CaptHindsight> the other difference
[14:29:56] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: whats the spindle motor?
[14:30:07] <CaptHindsight> some geared induction motor?
[14:30:20] <monsterblabla> 22000 dollar
[14:30:24] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I was looking at the first machine, havent looked at the others linked
[14:30:27] <monsterblabla> Wtf
[14:30:44] <tiwake> thats expensive for a machine without Caxis
[14:30:47] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: the latest links are all SL-5's
[14:31:30] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: I posted those to show how the weight it all over the place
[14:31:54] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: there's is one near me for ~$2500 and needs nothing except to be moved
[14:32:23] <tiwake> oh well yeah
[14:32:31] <tiwake> sounds good to me XD
[14:32:51] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: there's a Mazak Model Slant Turn 35NATC MC CNC near me for ~$4k
[14:32:59] <tiwake> call the towing company and get them to pull out their big crane
[14:33:02] <CaptHindsight> with live tooling and C-axis
[14:33:32] <tiwake> C axis without live tooling isnt very useful XD
[14:33:55] <CaptHindsight> yeah, unless the tooling is really fast
[14:34:20] <tiwake> suppose you could use it for broaching
[14:34:27] <CaptHindsight> I could convert the Mori but
[14:34:35] <CaptHindsight> I have enough projects
[14:34:41] <tiwake> heh yeah
[14:35:15] <CaptHindsight> but if it's not worn out useful as another lathe
[14:35:47] <CaptHindsight> people sell manual turd lathes for >$3k around here
[14:36:04] <CaptHindsight> "with leather belts for power"
[14:37:20] <tiwake> I have a hardinge HNC lathe that is waiting for a linux CNC convert
[14:37:27] <tiwake> well, its not mine yet
[14:37:40] <tiwake> $500 for the machine, its just sitting there
[14:37:53] <tiwake> need a place to do it :-.
[14:37:56] <tiwake> :-/
[14:39:35] <tiwake> or is it the CHNC?
[14:41:00] <tiwake> http://www.centroidcnc.com/hardinge_chnc.htm
[14:41:47] <tiwake> they don't list prices though... probably too expensive
[14:43:26] <tiwake> https://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?topic=1242.0
[14:49:02] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: whats the diff between CHNC and CNC on those?
[14:49:34] <CaptHindsight> why the extra H?
[14:50:03] <tiwake> I'm not sure
[14:50:20] <tiwake> I am pretty sure its one of those two though
[14:50:42] <tiwake> I suspect what the guy wants to sell me is the HNC though
[14:50:50] <tiwake> looking at google images
[14:57:48] <gregcnc> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/bridgeport-and-hardinge-mills-and-lathes/difference-between-hardinge-chnc-hnc-lathe-234875/
[14:59:06] <CaptHindsight> one was GE control and the other AB
[14:59:11] <tiwake> so "not much"
[14:59:44] <CaptHindsight> Hardinge CHNC had an Allen Bradley 7570
[14:59:55] <CaptHindsight> HNC lathe I have worked on had a GE 550 NC
[15:00:15] <CaptHindsight> so it's all marketing based on control type
[15:02:14] <tiwake> anyway, the HNC/CHNC I'm going to buy is partially taken apart
[15:02:40] <tiwake> but still
[15:03:06] <tiwake> $500 is a really good deal for a heavy duty little 5C lathe
[15:06:49] <CaptHindsight> yup
[15:08:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hardinge-CHNC-CNC-Super-Precision-Lathe-with-Centroid-Retrofit-/181999739631 in a bidding war
[16:23:38] <Erant> tiwake: Damn, $500? I can barely get a 618 Atlas lathe here for that :(
[16:24:24] <gregcnc> Erant, where are you about?
[16:25:34] <Erant> San Francisco
[16:25:37] <gregcnc> sometimes it's luck. I saw someone on CL giving away a running Emco Compact 6P CNC. but it was 2000 miles away from me.
[16:25:54] <Erant> Which is not the greatest place for machining
[16:25:57] <Erant> Because space.
[16:26:08] <Erant> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/tls/5426041803.html
[16:26:13] <Erant> That looks interesting though.
[16:26:55] <gregcnc> cheap
[16:26:58] <Erant> Might be a little big. Need to see if it'd fit.
[16:26:59] <Erant> Right
[16:40:17] <Deejay> gn8
[16:47:02] <JT-TN> Franklin TN is a cool place
[16:53:30] <tiwake> Erant: a cheap machine won't help me if I don't have a place to work on it
[17:01:31] <Tom_itx> JT-TN, take your bike or trike?
[17:01:58] <JT-TN> Van
[17:02:01] <PetefromTn_> man running the Cinci right now is kinda sad knowing that it will maybe not be long before it is packed up and then it will be months before I get to run it again hopefully in a nice new house with a nice big shop LOL
[17:02:46] <Tom_itx> :(
[17:03:38] <PetefromTn_> :(
[17:06:46] <JT-TN> Pete you sell the house
[17:07:25] <PetefromTn_> well honestly I don't know yet ;)
[17:08:08] <PetefromTn_> we have a signed contract and went back and forth with the buyer with counter offers etc. They accepted our last offer and we just had a home inspection and a Termite inspection
[17:08:14] <JT-TN> Hope it works out
[17:08:35] <PetefromTn_> if everything is good with those and our home appraises with their lender then yeah we have sold our house.
[17:08:58] <XXCoder> nice
[17:09:07] <XXCoder> curious if not too nosy why sell house though
[17:09:15] <PetefromTn_> Dacia has been tearing up the house packing stuff and loosing stuff we never use and I am running the last parts I have to do on the VMC before I start locking things down to move it
[17:10:06] <PetefromTn_> hoping the home inspection has not found anything objectionable that we have not already disclosed and agrees to fix so it just goes smoothly.
[17:10:11] <PetefromTn_> that would be nice.
[17:10:34] <PetefromTn_> XXCoder gotta sell the house to get the cash to buy another one down in Florida man
[17:11:08] <XXCoder> makes sense
[17:11:37] <PetefromTn_> would not want to rent it honestly not from that far away... too much BS to deal with
[17:13:25] <XXCoder> can always hire rental manager
[17:13:31] <XXCoder> but yeah
[17:14:08] <PetefromTn_> naah we are done with Tennessee... if the house sells we are Floridians again ;)
[17:15:32] <XXCoder> cool, almost becombe a floridian heh
[17:15:52] <XXCoder> I was offered job there, but pay was very crappy for tech support level 3
[17:15:54] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/10NewsWTSP/videos/738741556159599/ This is pretty damn cool video...
[17:16:04] <XXCoder> and not even full time, just 30 hours
[17:16:52] <XXCoder> they should be named sea panda not KILLER whale. heh
[17:17:06] <XXCoder> there is worse names though
[17:17:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah or MONSTER PORPOISE
[17:17:29] <PetefromTn_> maybe Big Boned Porpoise?
[17:17:40] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1843#comic
[17:18:28] <JT-TN> Gotta change your nick now
[17:19:14] <PetefromTn_> not yet but hopefully SOON!
[17:19:46] <PetefromTn_> heh just watched a commerical for the Kia sedan and it was narrated by Christopher Walken....Almost made me want to buy one LOL
[17:21:14] <XXCoder> did you see that comic? heh
[17:23:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[17:23:22] <Jymmm> XXCoder: You many not want to see this http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/untamed-uncut/videos/killer-whales-attack-a-seal/
[17:24:13] <XXCoder> billion different domain scripts
[17:26:05] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I have another if you're interested
[17:26:23] <XXCoder> nah
[17:26:30] <Jymmm> k
[17:35:34] <PetefromTn_> I ordered a couple engraving bits from BitsandBits company
[17:35:43] <PetefromTn_> this is my second order from them
[17:35:57] <PetefromTn_> the cutters I got last time worked quite well so I was pleased with them.
[17:36:36] <XXCoder> PetefromFla_ :)
[17:36:51] <PetefromTn_> their response and shipping tho sucks... I ordered them I think tuesday or wednesday and just got shipping confirmation today
[17:37:02] <Jymmm> it appears that my zip drive is still functional =)
[17:37:17] <XXCoder> it never suffered click of death? lucky
[17:37:20] <PetefromTn_> XXCoder That looks about perfect man
[17:37:45] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Well, at least not THIS drive, but it's USB
[17:37:58] <XXCoder> nice
[17:38:25] <XXCoder> I still cant recover from mine, but then it probably randomized by now with lack of access
[17:38:37] <Jymmm> I was kinda hoping it wouldn't work, then I have no excuse to keep it.
[17:38:52] <XXCoder> copy files off it and make cnc out of zip drive heh
[17:39:24] <Jymmm> Files were wipied years ago, just have like 20 disks
[17:41:32] <XXCoder> lol ok
[17:42:18] <XXCoder> I stil find it funny that click of death was one of those rare "physical virus" (not really, but it sure spreads like one)
[17:42:21] <Jymmm> XXCoder: oh did you mean take apart the zip drive and make a mini cnc, or use the drive and install lcnc on it?
[17:42:45] <XXCoder> disks that has click of death can break drives, and drives that was broken makes new click of death disks
[17:42:59] <XXCoder> that was why it was so bad
[17:43:36] <XXCoder> eitehr though latter I doubt is possible lol
[17:44:14] <Jymmm> eh, true
[17:44:36] <Jymmm> Damn, I just dont know what/how to repurose it =(
[18:14:04] <XXCoder> Jymmm: yeah dunno either
[18:17:30] <Jymmm> XXCoder: =)
[18:17:57] <XXCoder> there is videos of floppy drives doing music
[18:18:10] <Jymmm> lol
[18:18:14] <XXCoder> dunno if its any good
[18:18:27] <XXCoder> there was hmm few floppy drives? doing star wars imperial march
[18:18:44] <Jymmm> I could do that on the router and it has NEMA23's =)
[18:18:54] <XXCoder> lol ok
[18:19:05] <XXCoder> make portable ;)
[18:19:34] <XXCoder> annoy p[eople at work
[18:22:47] <Jymmm> lol
[18:23:05] <XXCoder> make it motion activated
[18:23:15] <Jymmm> JT-TN: You like recipes, so here are some "classics" for ya... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2537433/From-ham-banana-hollandaise-lime-cheese-salad-liver-sausage-pineapple-Retro-culinary-abominations-happy-leave-past.html
[18:23:16] <XXCoder> so people walking though hall makes it go off randomly
[18:23:22] <XXCoder> 1% chance
[18:23:35] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I do have some IR sensors sitting right here
[18:24:00] <XXCoder> there you are, something to do heh
[18:24:39] <Jymmm> Nah, I was reserving those for the FelineScreamers
[18:26:18] <XXCoder> whats it for
[18:30:56] <Jymmm> oh, nm, less than 40 lbs
[18:31:01] <Jymmm> I forgot
[19:39:12] <zeeshan|2> whats up
[19:39:40] <XXCoder> you
[19:39:48] <XXCoder> not much actually
[19:40:12] <zeeshan|2> slacking off
[19:40:15] <zeeshan|2> when i should be working :{
[19:40:38] <XXCoder> work or I will get over there with broomstick
[19:40:44] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[19:44:19] <PetefromTn_> I should be workin' but I am watching Tomorrowland hehe
[19:46:23] <Tom_itx> so PetefromTn_ did you sell your house?
[19:46:37] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2
[19:46:50] <Tom_itx> i'm trying to remember what a tool is called in catia...
[19:46:57] <Tom_itx> thought you might know
[19:47:03] <zeeshan|2> which one
[19:47:21] <Tom_itx> it's when you want to select coordinates of a feature based on a solid's edge
[19:47:30] <Tom_itx> like the top of a radius
[19:47:43] <Tom_itx> it may not be in ver 24
[19:47:50] <Tom_itx> i'm using ver 25 at the uni
[19:48:21] <Tom_itx> it's a poor way to do it but it's how this drawing is referenced
[19:48:59] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/Problem23.jpg
[19:49:16] <Tom_itx> those top side holes are referenced to that left radius outter edge
[19:49:18] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx sorta ;)
[19:49:46] <zeeshan|2> project geometry?
[19:50:11] <Tom_itx> i can't remember what catia calls it but i don't think it's in R5V24
[19:50:53] <Tom_itx> that doesn't sound like it
[19:54:11] <Tom_itx> you can't reference the centerline of the hole because it's not on the same plane
[19:54:19] <Tom_itx> you need to be able to project it
[19:55:37] <Tom_itx> http://catiadoc.free.fr/online/dysug_C2/dysugbt0510.htm
[19:56:09] <XXCoder> wonder if nonecludian designs is possible lol
[19:57:41] <bobo> PetefromTn was just watching Abom79 and he looks cold even with a wool hat on and layered shirts. bet you will be similar in 2 years
[19:57:51] <zeeshan|2> rofl bobo
[19:58:15] <CaptHindsight> Catia Hyperspace Edition
[19:58:21] <bobo> Hi zeeshan
[19:58:27] <zeeshan|2> hi
[19:58:34] <zeeshan|2> will you keep me accompany
[19:58:36] <zeeshan|2> till 5am
[19:58:43] <zeeshan|2> im about to go in the shop :P
[19:58:47] <CaptHindsight> comes with 8-d display and mouse
[19:59:15] <Tom_itx> well i'm not really supposed to be asking these questions in class yet
[19:59:19] <PetefromTn_> bobo dafuk?
[19:59:25] <Tom_itx> probably not for another 6-8 weeks
[19:59:37] <Tom_itx> but i'm nearly done with all the work
[20:00:06] <Tom_itx> i did all the problems in the book so i asked the instructor for more
[20:00:20] <Tom_itx> he looked a little surprised but said he'd fine some
[20:01:45] <CaptHindsight> sounds a bit brown nosy :)
[20:02:16] <Tom_itx> either that or watch youtube the rest of the class
[20:02:16] <__rob2> anyone able to tell me what a Super spacer rotatry table is ?
[20:02:26] <__rob2> the super spacer bit is what I dont get
[20:02:27] <PetefromTn_> sure
[20:02:35] <PetefromTn_> its an indexer
[20:02:41] <PetefromTn_> that uses masking plates
[20:02:52] <PetefromTn_> AND it can work like a typical rotary table
[20:03:11] <PetefromTn_> I used to have a YUASA Super Accra Dex
[20:03:40] <PetefromTn_> it was a nice unit and I should have NEVER sold it but like an idiot I thought because I have CNC I did not need it anymore LOL
[20:04:06] <__rob2> so you can index it for gears and such
[20:04:08] <__rob2> right ?
[20:04:11] <PetefromTn_> sure
[20:04:21] <__rob2> but, how is that different to any rotary table
[20:04:24] <PetefromTn_> mine had a built in 3 jaw chuck
[20:04:35] <PetefromTn_> well because it has the masking plates too
[20:04:38] <zeeshan|2> rob a lot of rotary tables
[20:04:41] <PetefromTn_> and there is a lever
[20:04:42] <zeeshan|2> dont have indexable locations
[20:04:47] <zeeshan|2> you have to manually dial it in
[20:04:50] <PetefromTn_> that allows you to index specific degrees
[20:05:10] <__rob2> ahh, so the masking plates lock it off exactly at those postions ?
[20:05:14] <zeeshan|2> ya
[20:05:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[20:05:24] <__rob2> just looking at Tormachs ones
[20:05:29] <zeeshan|2> oh god
[20:05:31] * zeeshan|2 leaves
[20:05:34] <__rob2> guess indexable would be more rigid
[20:05:37] <__rob2> no ?
[20:05:41] <bobo> zeeshan|2 I have Narcolepsy. what is latest with your friends Deckel and what is your latest project on the mill till 5AM
[20:05:50] <__rob2> if your doing like 90 degree increments
[20:05:54] <zeeshan|2> bobo i need to start production on those bodies
[20:06:01] <zeeshan|2> i gotta finish op one on 80 bodies
[20:06:04] <__rob2> zeeshan|2, why ?
[20:06:07] <zeeshan|2> this guy keeps changing numbers
[20:06:09] <__rob2> whats wrong with their 4th axis
[20:06:23] <zeeshan|2> __rob2: are you doing this for a hobby
[20:06:33] <PetefromTn_> its just a chinese 4th that they sell really
[20:06:42] <__rob2> yea
[20:06:46] <__rob2> well, sort of
[20:06:50] <__rob2> not production run or anything
[20:06:56] <__rob2> but I want precision
[20:06:57] <zeeshan|2> i like how john grismo talked so big about tormach
[20:07:06] <zeeshan|2> and now he shit talks them everytime cause he has a mori
[20:07:07] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:07:45] <__rob2> pretty happy with the pcnc 1100
[20:07:51] <__rob2> for me the results are awesome
[20:07:53] <XXCoder> sometimes something is awesome till you find better
[20:07:59] <__rob2> of course
[20:08:13] <XXCoder> hurco was nice and awesome... till I ran better machines. better and old machines.
[20:08:16] <__rob2> but for the money
[20:08:23] <__rob2> not sure what else I could have got
[20:08:24] <zeeshan|2> for the money?!? lets not start haha
[20:08:25] <__rob2> new
[20:08:32] <zeeshan|2> i guess most people can't retrofit
[20:08:34] <gregcnc> for new machine money
[20:08:59] <__rob2> well, i dont want to make cnc mills
[20:09:02] <__rob2> I want to make stuff with it
[20:09:13] <__rob2> dont have the time for both
[20:09:42] <__rob2> i'm sure used could have got some haas machine or something
[20:09:44] <Tom_itx> ahh! i found it i think
[20:09:45] <__rob2> but then have to mess around
[20:09:52] <zeeshan|2> fak im growing up to be a grumpy old bastard
[20:10:05] <zeeshan|2> bobo: the deckel is running
[20:10:10] <zeeshan|2> but he can't shift it into high g ear
[20:10:17] <zeeshan|2> i think its a stripped gear
[20:10:18] <Tom_itx> project 3d canonical silhouette edges
[20:10:22] <__rob2> http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=8-IN-SUPSPC-TABLES
[20:10:24] <__rob2> looking at that
[20:10:38] <Tom_itx> i had to turn on the 3d tool set
[20:10:57] <__rob2> $2200, ready to go
[20:12:22] <bobo> zeeshan the deckel - does it have 2 or does it have 3 shift motors ?
[20:12:28] <zeeshan|2> 1
[20:12:33] <zeeshan|2> high and low gear
[20:12:42] <zeeshan|2> 20-800 rpm or something like that
[20:12:50] <zeeshan|2> and 800-6000
[20:13:03] <zeeshan|2> thats what they've told me they read in the brochsure
[20:13:12] <zeeshan|2> i thought it was 3 shift motor standard.
[20:14:50] <zeeshan|2> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/mahobed.jpg
[20:15:00] <zeeshan|2> i love how it does the horizontal to veritcal transition
[20:15:08] <zeeshan|2> isn't that cool?
[20:15:26] <bobo> that must be servo spindle drive motor. the Maho uses plastic shift gears -wonder if there the same /
[20:20:26] <zeeshan|2> hm
[20:20:31] <zeeshan|2> im thinking of changing my machining plan
[20:20:36] <zeeshan|2> face all parts first
[20:20:38] <zeeshan|2> then do the drilling
[20:20:49] <zeeshan|2> than do another stage for drilling
[20:20:55] <zeeshan|2> but problem is the damn wood pieces are all different widths
[20:21:02] <zeeshan|2> so its hard to get them consistent
[20:22:54] <__rob2> ohh, also wondering what the best way to go about cutting a sloped plane is
[20:23:09] <__rob2> to cut a jig for it, so the slope is parallel to the tool
[20:23:25] <zeeshan|2> put the work piece at a slope?
[20:23:35] <__rob2> well yea, just involves more setup
[20:23:53] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/p/BBIv9yhRYM5/
[20:24:12] <__rob2> wondering how well it would work if it contoured the face then went over it with a ball nose endmill
[20:24:28] <zeeshan|2> rofl greg!
[20:24:42] <gregcnc> :)
[20:25:43] <gregcnc> Just depends how long you want to run the part for. Setting it up so you can face it would take much less time to machine than profiling with a few thousands step over.
[20:25:59] <gregcnc> unless the set takes a long time.
[20:26:27] <__rob2> I'll buy some angle blocks then
[20:26:59] <gregcnc> or mill some?
[20:27:31] <gregcnc> or are you talking about making angle blocks?
[20:28:51] <__rob2> well no, I want to mill the face of something at an angle
[20:29:00] <zeeshan|2> rob2 do you have a dial indicator?
[20:29:05] <zeeshan|2> plunge style
[20:29:05] <__rob2> yea,
[20:29:09] <zeeshan|2> if its just one part what i would do is
[20:29:24] <zeeshan|2> (and didnt have angle blocks)
[20:29:24] <__rob2> I guess I could mill the blocks, but there not that expensive
[20:29:43] <zeeshan|2> i'd jog say the maximum distance allowable on your part
[20:29:53] <zeeshan|2> like i dont know the angle
[20:29:56] <zeeshan|2> if its a 30 degree angle
[20:30:01] <zeeshan|2> i'd jog 2" for example
[20:30:07] <zeeshan|2> and see how much indicator changed
[20:30:27] <zeeshan|2> this is how i do odd angles to date
[20:30:29] <zeeshan|2> for one offs
[20:30:43] <zeeshan|2> one angle was 33.2 degrees :)
[20:31:16] <__rob2> yup, its a 1 off, but nice to have a set of angles
[20:31:16] <zeeshan|2> its a pain to setup, but could be done in 15 min
[20:37:05] <__rob2> got tormachs digitizing probe the other day
[20:37:11] <__rob2> might come in handy for that
[20:37:43] <__rob2> not tried it out yet
[20:45:19] <zeeshan|2> okay im too lazy to machine tonight
[20:45:23] <zeeshan|2> i think its time to kick back for a day :)
[20:45:58] <bobo> zeeshan just looked at the MH1000 picture . think that is the Deckel Maho era design ,before (Guildmiester ? )
[20:46:30] <zeeshan|2> glidemeister made lathes only i think.
[20:46:41] <zeeshan|2> i have never seen a glidemeister mill
[20:47:15] <bobo> they were the G in DMG
[20:49:13] <bobo> and get ye back to machining
[20:49:14] <zeeshan|2> man these newer machines are awesome
[20:49:25] <zeeshan|2> i dunno if youve heard of the thermal displacement control on the moris
[20:49:45] <bobo> what year = newer ?
[20:49:46] <zeeshan|2> they're got a thermal loop that is always monitoring ambient temp
[20:49:54] <zeeshan|2> like 2008+
[20:49:55] <zeeshan|2> i think
[20:50:58] <zeeshan|2> its not the part they're compensating for
[20:51:13] <zeeshan|2> its how the temp changes tolerances on the machine itselfd
[20:51:22] <zeeshan|2> http://www.dmgmoriseiki.co.jp/en/news/pdf/2006_0802_newthermcont.pdf
[20:51:42] <bobo> yes machine frame temp comp
[20:55:26] <bobo> would think temp comp could be included in Linuxcnc though
[20:55:36] <Sync_> zeeshan|2: hermle pumps oil through their ballscrews
[20:55:54] <zeeshan|2> whgatcha mean sync
[20:56:02] <zeeshan|2> a lot of machines lube the ball screws
[20:56:25] <Sync_> no
[20:56:35] <Sync_> they are bored and they are temp controlled
[20:56:52] <Sync_> with *through* I mean through
[20:57:22] <zeeshan|2> ah
[20:57:40] <bobo> more flow of oil to matain a constant temp
[20:57:58] <Sync_> I think they are even controlling the pressure to do dynamic dampening
[20:58:19] <zeeshan|2> makes me want to buy a new machine
[20:58:20] <zeeshan|2> :/
[20:58:26] <Sync_> doeeet
[20:58:26] <zeeshan|2> but realistically, no need for it
[20:58:33] <Sync_> you know you want it
[20:58:37] <zeeshan|2> no
[20:58:46] <zeeshan|2> im very close to scoring a pretty big paying job at work
[20:58:51] <zeeshan|2> and it means less and less shop time for me
[20:59:07] <zeeshan|2> ill always machine as a backup
[20:59:20] <zeeshan|2> but as a back up means not enough revenue to justify buying new
[20:59:43] <zeeshan|2> =[
[21:00:03] <zeeshan|2> the only way i can see it working out
[21:00:08] <zeeshan|2> is do production runs
[21:00:18] <zeeshan|2> where i'd set it up , and leave it running overnight
[21:00:29] <zeeshan|2> so massive batch processing
[21:00:34] <Sync_> and then come back to a burned down garage
[21:00:42] <zeeshan|2> i wouldnt put that machine in my garage
[21:00:46] <zeeshan|2> we're mvoing by next year
[21:00:52] <Sync_> we need to send you a manutec handling robot
[21:01:00] <Sync_> so you can automagically change pallets
[21:01:05] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[21:01:26] <zeeshan|2> its a big change in business strategy
[21:01:34] <zeeshan|2> cause i'd be going from "prototype work"
[21:01:40] <zeeshan|2> to coming up with a product and selling it
[21:01:45] <zeeshan|2> (production work)
[21:02:01] <Sync_> well, you can also sell prototype work
[21:02:14] <zeeshan|2> it requires too much commitment man
[21:02:20] <zeeshan|2> no time after 8 hours of day job
[21:02:31] <zeeshan|2> you literally have like 5 hours to eat shit and work :P
[21:02:40] <zeeshan|2> and you neglect everyone else
[21:03:15] <Sync_> quit your job is the obvious thing
[21:03:21] <zeeshan|2> helllllllllll no
[21:04:11] <zeeshan|2> ill let things play out
[21:04:16] <zeeshan|2> who knows one day :P
[21:04:18] <zeeshan|2> never say never!
[21:04:32] <zeeshan|2> i really like working for eaton
[21:04:41] <zeeshan|2> its a great work environment, get to interact w/ people
[21:04:45] <zeeshan|2> home shop is me by myself :(
[21:05:56] <Tom_itx> gimme a plane ticket and i'll come visit
[21:06:04] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[21:06:20] <zeeshan|2> its amazing how much you can learn off others
[21:06:22] <zeeshan|2> vs youtube
[21:06:27] <zeeshan|2> youtube is great
[21:06:52] <Tom_itx> there's a couple kids in the class that are pretty sharp
[21:07:03] <Tom_itx> we've been trading ideas
[21:07:08] <Tom_itx> makes it fun
[21:07:17] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: nothing beats social interaction
[21:07:51] <Tom_itx> then there's the poor ole guy that always sits on the other side of me that's still on the first couple exercises
[21:08:16] <zeeshan|2> everyone has their strengths and weaknesses :P
[21:08:17] <Tom_itx> it's just not clicking for him
[21:08:20] <zeeshan|2> some people buy tormachs :)
[21:08:21] <zeeshan|2> some buy dmg's
[21:08:22] <zeeshan|2> :p
[21:08:25] * zeeshan|2 hides
[21:08:35] <Sync_> seen that a few times Tom_itx, it is sad
[21:08:48] <Sync_> but usually they are really nice if you help them to succeed
[21:08:55] <Sync_> or they are just assholes
[21:09:03] <Tom_itx> i think it's a required class for something else he's doing
[21:09:21] <Tom_itx> he's a nice guy and his buddy is in my kid's class
[21:09:31] <Tom_itx> he just isn't catching on
[21:10:08] <Tom_itx> the first real quiz is monday, i'm afraid he's not gonna make i
[21:10:09] <Tom_itx> t
[21:12:10] <Sync_> ye
[21:37:42] <bobo> Sync have you ever been around a Fehlmann cnc mill ? am interested in a compare against Mikron vers Herlme vers ?
[21:48:05] <bobo> zeeshan not where but what type of place are you thinking of moving to in the near future?
[21:51:29] <zeeshan|2> rural
[21:51:37] <bobo> and why not just build the next place for what you want ?
[21:51:43] <Sync_> they are good machines iirc but not on a level with hermle bobo
[21:53:32] <bobo> sync above or below the level of say a hermle ? and why
[22:22:17] <Sync_> personal feeling bobo, I have not done comparable jobs on them
[22:22:32] <Sync_> I feel hermles are more rigid and are better engineered
[22:23:32] <bobo> thanks for your thoughts
[23:08:18] <zeeshan|2> :)