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[02:19:23] <Deejay> moin
[05:36:45] <VINCE> bonjour, ça fonctionne comme un chat?
[05:38:35] <VINCE> Bon je me lance je verrai bien,
[05:40:13] <VINCE> j'ai du mal à creer une clé usb bootable ou il y aurai ubuntu et linuxcnc afin de l'installer en dur sur un pc, hier j'ai tester sur un pc portable acer et rien ne s'installe.Pourtant il y avais deja un kubuntu dessus.
[05:40:56] <VINCE> dés que je fais les mise a jour mon kubuntu plante. et est inutilisable.
[05:41:39] <VINCE> oula il y a de drole de traductions.
[05:41:45] <SpeedEvil> Most people here speak english. I'm unsure if any french speakers are around.
[05:42:29] <VINCE> ha ok je vais tenter en anglais alors. ton message s'affiche tres bien en francais chez moi
[05:44:03] <VINCE> That are what you use under win10 to create a key usb with ubuntu and Linux cnc?
[05:51:07] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_write_the_image_to_a_bootable_device
[05:52:22] <jthornton> may not be as up to date but in French
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/index_fr.html
[05:55:21] <VINCE> thank you, i'ave testing, not working. last neight i testing other solution.
[06:10:27] <pink_vampire> hi
[06:10:42] * SpeedEvil throws garlic sausage at pink_vampire.
[06:10:43] <XXCoder> hey bloodsucker
[06:10:51] <pink_vampire> nooooooooo
[06:11:03] <XXCoder> hey check this crazyness
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/fun-inifinite-loop-animation-breaks-the-concept-of-past-1755270388
[06:14:16] <XXCoder> heh whats up pink
[06:14:47] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[06:37:12] <pink_vampire> someone here use space navigator?
[06:40:52] <SpeedEvil> ##blender also maybe
[06:40:53] <SpeedEvil> #
[06:58:09] <_methods> lol
[08:13:17] <JT-Shop> yea it's the only way to get my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator
[08:17:25] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: It's a 3d mouse
[08:17:29] <SpeedEvil> a quite spendy one
[08:33:15] <JT-Shop> wow it is spendy
[08:53:41] <Sync> 3d mouse ftw.
[08:55:08] <gregcnc> I recently got a space mouse.
[08:56:20] <gregcnc> and a logitech G700s to replace my old revolution mx, but I'm not happy with button programming or battery life
[08:57:59] <SpeedEvil> https://larvalsubjects.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/mouse-in-space.jpg
[08:58:00] <Sync> yeah cable mouse ftw.
[09:02:00] <gregcnc> the old mx ran for a week or more, this G700s ~ 8hours
[09:31:28] <redlegion> Anyone in here know ballpark about what I could expect to pay for one seat of PC-DMIS Offline?
[09:37:10] <archivist> redlegion, I bet most in here never get near that, I have an old copy but it needs a dongle
[09:39:09] <archivist> mine is not that sensible without the cmm powered up
[09:41:51] <MrSunshine_> https://www.facebook.com/system2/videos/10153875579398648/ sweet, rigidity is lighthears better in the machine now =)
[09:42:44] <MrSunshine_> and the cut quality is actualy alot better at those speeds compared to before =)
[09:44:01] <redlegion> archivist: it looks like CMM programmers are a rare breed anymore.
[09:45:08] <MrSunshine_> aparently quite high volume in that clip from what people say so turn down the volume if you are going to look =)
[09:46:08] <archivist> redlegion, it seems to be a high priced market, I recently got an old CMM off ebay was supposed to be dead/incomplete but actually came more complete than expected even with the passwords to use it
[09:46:56] <archivist> I wanted to retrofit linuxcnc onto it but it works at the moment
[09:48:54] <archivist> I am a beginner at using/programming it and lack the english manuals
[09:50:08] <redlegion> archivist: what is it? Bridge or gantry? Brown and sharpe?
[09:51:24] <archivist> Browne & Sharpe
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cmm+pd
[09:55:11] <pink_vampire> what do you think about this navigator
[09:55:22] <pink_vampire> http://www.amazon.com/3Dconnexion-3DX-700036-SpacePilot-Pro-Mouse/dp/B00283VWK4/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
[09:55:44] <redlegion> archivist: that's wild. It's like a baby version of what I use everyday.
[09:56:20] <pink_vampire> this one is much cheaper
[09:56:22] <pink_vampire> http://www.amazon.com/3Dconnexion-3DX-700028-SpaceNavigator-3D-Mouse/dp/B000LB7G00/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=01TF7BE426YQAHF6YWHG
[09:56:41] <archivist> redlegion, its past life was measuring turbine blade patterns
[09:57:28] <archivist> and came from Derby, from a subcontractor
[09:57:31] <gregcnc> read that most people are happy with spacepilot pro and all the buttons can be very productive. I just got basic wireless one and haven't even programmed the two buttons in a useful way yet.
[09:59:59] <pink_vampire> the buttuns are just give you easy accses to views..
[10:00:22] <pink_vampire> so if you are using solidworks..
[10:01:03] <pink_vampire> program one as space button so you can select the view that you want..
[10:01:25] <pink_vampire> and the other one program as ESC button
[10:03:28] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: ^
[10:03:58] <archivist> redlegion, something I want to find is instructions to service the renishaw TP2 probe, ie not by sending it back
[10:05:40] <Frank__> Heellooooos
[10:10:43] <gregcnc> I'm going to try control and esc on the buttons. view selection is already available on right mouse click
[10:11:54] <gregcnc> the mx mouse used to switch between windows in SW nicely. I can't get the same function from the g700s
[10:12:49] <pink_vampire> what is g700s?
[10:17:11] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: ^
[10:17:43] <gregcnc> http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g700s-rechargeable-wireless-gaming-mouse
[10:33:51] <redlegion> archivist: good luck with that. I only know of one local company that services renishaw probe equipment and they charge just about the same.
[10:40:38] <redlegion> archivist: patent US5657549 looks like half the effort in servicing it.
[10:41:21] <redlegion> I have a broken TP6 laying around but prying that open wouldn't do you much good
[10:48:13] <pink_vampire> .
[10:48:45] <archivist> redlegion, a good find, I have an LP2, and two TP2, the LP2 measure sub one ohm, ok the two TP2's measure around 100 and 3-900 ohms, I think dirty contacts
[10:48:46] <pink_vampire> someone want to talk on teamspeak?
[10:50:36] <pink_vampire> I it will come popular here and you will want to talk with voice I will rent a server
[10:50:52] <pink_vampire> if it*
[10:51:27] <Roguish> pink_vampire: the 3Dconnexion SpaceNavigator 3D mouse is very good value for doing CAD & CAM work.
[10:52:48] <pink_vampire> Roguish: hope it will help to myC
[10:52:53] <pink_vampire> Roguish: hope it will help to my CTS
[10:53:46] <Roguish> probably just a little tendonitis. that's what mine is. cold packs are very good.
[10:54:31] <pink_vampire> I just need to avoid typing..
[10:55:03] <pink_vampire> this is way I'm on teamspeak..
[10:55:15] <Roguish> try one of these, they are very good.
http://www.amazon.com/Evoluent-VerticalMouse-Regular-Right-VM4R/dp/B00427TAIK/ref=sr_1_8?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1453998598&sr=1-8&keywords=vertical+mouse
[10:56:34] <Roguish> also, most important, and usually overlooked:
http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/hs/pubs/comp_erg/gl_comp_erg_2.php
[10:58:09] <Sync> I find the vertical mouses to be the cancer
[10:58:46] <pink_vampire> Sync: what do you mean?
[10:59:16] <pink_vampire> Roguish:it's look very useful links.
[10:59:20] <Sync> I don't like them, they make me get cramps
[11:00:11] <Roguish> i've used the vertical mouse for several years and like them.
[11:00:28] <Roguish> Sync: to each our own. what ever works, or doesn't work.
[11:00:31] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_sQPcMgrc0
[11:01:04] <renesis> archivist: books on spice circuit simulation
[11:01:28] <pink_vampire> how do I get this cute robot?
[11:01:46] <_methods> that's one way to make spiral staircase lol
[11:02:44] <renesis> i think a doggy is driving my neighbor nuts
[11:02:52] <Sync> I just have a regular gaming mouse now, works much better
[11:03:53] <archivist> renesis, my books are on the old side, more of the classical maths route
[11:04:44] <Sync> pink_vampire: you contact your local kuka rep and buy one
[11:05:20] <pink_vampire> Sync: or abb..
[11:05:30] <pink_vampire> I like the abb stuff.
[11:05:30] <_methods> ebay
[11:05:32] <_methods> lol
[11:06:34] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kuka-Roboter-KR150L-150SP-2-Robot-Arm-No-Controller-/271659536669?hash=item3f402b911d:g:6-AAAOSwVFlUDhH4
[11:06:37] <pink_vampire> fuck!
[11:06:54] <pink_vampire> is that cheap!
[11:07:03] <Sync> they come even cheaper at the scrappers
[11:07:08] <_methods> you can get robots real cheap
[11:07:17] <Sync> the expensive part is the controller, but you can usually just roll your own
[11:07:42] <_methods> if you keep an eye out you can pick them up for free some times
[11:08:03] <_methods> i got offered 2 big ABB arms but i didn't have the room or power for them
[11:08:44] <pink_vampire> how you can get it for free???
[11:09:03] <_methods> companies getting rid of them
[11:09:11] <renesis> archivist: was curious, thanks. i dont mind buying these so much
[11:09:18] <_methods> caterpillar was closing their plant here
[11:09:25] <_methods> and none of the other cat places wanted the arms
[11:09:54] <ssi> pink_vampire: I've been trying to buy two of those for ever
[11:10:01] <ssi> but I haven't managed to get up there to truck them home :/
[11:10:50] <pink_vampire> how much it weigh?
[11:11:00] <ssi> I don't recall offhand, but I think about 2000lb
[11:11:31] <pink_vampire> WOWW
[11:11:39] <Sync> did you even look at it?
[11:11:51] <Sync> those are castings with 2cm thick walls
[11:12:09] <Sync> and the base is a massive chunk of cast iron
[11:12:12] <ssi> yeah
[11:12:16] <ssi> and you don't want it to be light heh
[11:12:19] <Sync> yeah
[11:12:24] <Sync> or the counterweight
[11:12:34] <Sync> that is a massive piece of steel
[11:12:45] <ssi> iron probably :)
[11:12:49] <Sync> ye
[11:12:56] <pink_vampire> my machine it's about 450lbs with the motors
[11:13:35] <ssi> yeah as you move up, the weights go up exponentially :)
[11:13:39] <ssi> my biggest machine is 10klb
[11:15:28] <Sync> yeah you get there quick
[11:15:28] <ssi> and that's not a big machine
[11:15:28] <ssi> it's a medium-small vmc
[11:15:28] <ssi> 20x20x20"
[11:15:28] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/wWPij14.png
[11:15:28] <ssi> I have one 'ems
[11:15:28] <pink_vampire> my baby cute machine ^
[11:15:28] <ssi> mine's not as pretty as yours at the moment :P
[11:16:00] <pink_vampire> of course she is my princess...
[11:16:04] <Sync> you should put your vice in the middle of the table if you store it
[11:16:50] <pink_vampire> why?
[11:17:53] <_methods> to keep undue stress off your ballnuts and dovetails?
[11:18:16] <_methods> gibs and ballscrew
[11:18:26] <ssi> hold a bowling ball at arms length
[11:18:29] <ssi> then hold it at your chest
[11:18:30] <_methods> ^^
[11:18:33] <ssi> which would you rather do for days on end
[11:19:02] <pink_vampire> ok..
[11:19:34] <pink_vampire> I need to get 2 screens for her
[11:20:52] <Sync> the problem is that it will force out the oil
[11:20:58] <Sync> and then your axis will gall
[11:21:30] <ssi> I don't have any awesome pictures of mine
[11:21:34] <ssi> just closeups of motor mountings
[11:21:39] <ssi> but this is what I was working on last time I touched it
[11:21:42] <ssi> (in 2013) heh
[11:21:48] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR1ZaVCcAAQ_7t.jpg:large
[11:22:00] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKM8TVgCMAE_YeB.jpg:large
[11:22:08] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKLi5haCMAIynMD.jpg:large
[11:22:39] <pink_vampire> poor machine.
[11:22:51] <pink_vampire> you drill her body :(
[11:22:56] <ssi> heheh
[11:23:00] <Sync> so what?
[11:23:05] <ssi> she likes it ;)
[11:23:11] <Sync> gotta do what you gotta do
[11:23:28] <pink_vampire> what did you do to her in the Z axis??
[11:23:38] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKFgqtoCMAAhxcL.jpg:large
[11:23:49] <ssi> I was working on it, I don't think I ever got the ballnut mount made for the head
[11:24:24] <ssi> yea the screw is there but no ballnut mount
[11:24:31] <Sync> ah ssi did you see the VFD we cobbled together with the fet hardware?
[11:24:33] <ssi> all three axes are geared 3:1, with 6000rpm servos
[11:24:36] <ssi> no!
[11:25:02] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/projects/3phase_troller/troller_dcbrake1.mp4
[11:25:04] <gregcnc> ssi do you have specs for those servos? I have those for the Emco lathe, do yours also have the 5000 line encoders?
[11:25:17] <ssi> gregcnc: not offhand, I haven't worked with them in a long time
[11:25:35] <pink_vampire> it'a nice setup. but I like the stuff to look nice. and clean look..
[11:26:15] <gregcnc> OK I measured them, but I'm worried they won't be strong enough. not sure how much current they can handle.
[11:26:54] <pink_vampire> I have also a chip of enamel that come out..
[11:27:07] <Sync> says the person with the motors sticking out to the moon
[11:27:32] <ssi> gregcnc: are you going to gear them?
[11:27:41] <ssi> I geared them because they are too fast as is
[11:27:43] <pink_vampire> I'm wondering what is the best way to fix it..
[11:27:45] <ssi> I wanted to gear them more
[11:27:54] <ssi> but 3:1 was the best I could do sanely in one stage with timing pulleys
[11:28:05] <Sync> yeah I also have 3:1
[11:28:09] <gregcnc> 2:1, 5mm pitch screws, 48V.
[11:28:20] <ssi> 48V seems low
[11:28:21] <pink_vampire> ssi: harmonic drive..
[11:28:25] <ssi> they're 60V drives I think?
[11:28:34] <ssi> pink_vampire: yeah I can't make harmonic drives and they're expensive :/
[11:28:40] <ssi> and probably too slow actually
[11:29:14] <pink_vampire> but you have 6000 RPM..
[11:29:17] <Sync> yeah, harmonic drives would result in a huge reduction
[11:29:20] <pink_vampire> 1:50..
[11:29:44] <Sync> well, you want your rapids to be reasonable
[11:29:54] <Sync> something like 6m/min or so would be nice
[11:30:04] <pink_vampire> my is 3000rpm direct drive..
[11:30:32] <pink_vampire> and I'm using 2048ppq encoders.
[11:30:41] <pink_vampire> and I can get 200ipm
[11:30:50] <pink_vampire> and I'm happy with it.
[11:31:44] <pink_vampire> ssi: on this pic -
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKLi5haCMAIynMD.jpg:large
[11:32:20] <pink_vampire> how did you going to fix the broken enamel?
[11:33:27] <Sync> I have chipped paint all over my machine, who cares
[11:34:14] <gregcnc> 48V should give my setup 3-4m/min rapids for a lathe with 80mm x 180mm travel. I'll see how following error works out in rapid and increase voltage if needed.
[11:35:20] <pink_vampire> I have only one spot, and I don't like it.
[11:35:27] <pink_vampire> I want it to be fix..
[11:35:55] <MrSunshine_> hmm is there a limit how high a voltage for a given motor with steppers?
[11:36:09] <Sync> no
[11:36:20] <archivist> MrSunshine_, the driver is the main limit
[11:36:23] <Sync> if you have a drive that drives current
[11:36:39] <MrSunshine_> archivist: ah .. so i could up the voltage to 80V on my steppers then from 40 =)
[11:36:49] <MrSunshine_> or 70V
[11:41:04] <Jymmm> iirc, it's typically 20 to 25 times the rated coil voltage
[11:41:07] <Jymmm> for steppers.
[11:43:13] <Jymmm> MrSunshine_: I would highly recommend reading ALL of this a couple of times. There is a lot of good info that's easily overlooked...
http://www.geckodrive.com/support/step-motor-basics.html You cna download the PDF too
[11:43:29] <MrSunshine_> yeah i think ive calculated from them before
[11:53:00] <Frank__> guys! a quickie :D ,i've started to make some holes for the rack and pinion, but i cant really set up my bench drill in a stiff way,so some holes ended up 1mm away from their spot, can i fix this by overdrilling a little bit, lets say 7.5mm for clearance hole of rack, and adding up shims? thanks
[11:53:54] <Frank__> bolts are m6 fastened to threaded steel structure
[11:54:43] <Frank__> the 1mm deviation is the threaded steel structure
[11:56:07] <Jymmm> Bolts going in top-down? from the side? bottom-up?
[11:56:24] <MrSunshine_> hmm dont know what my motors were in mH :/
[11:56:36] <MrSunshine_> and the guy selling them is not selling them anymore
[11:57:00] <Jymmm> MrSunshine_: Read that link I gave, mentions that
[11:58:18] <MrSunshine_> but i think i came up with a max figure of like 40V or so for them using their calculations
[12:00:29] <Frank__> bolts from the side €€€ ### ---I €= Threaded steel #= steel rack(7.5mm holes) ---lI= bolt with washer (confused with shims)
[12:01:12] <Sync> MrSunshine_: just measure it
[12:02:55] <Jymmm> Frank__: I would think that you would want some play/flexability so that you can align (calibrate?) using parallel and or a granite top at some point.
[12:05:27] <Frank__> what do you mean by that? i should do the overdrilling on the racks? i was mainly worried for the washer resistance, i mean, the bolt not getting inside the hole of the rack. thanks for the help
[12:06:22] <Frank__> i do want some play to align it parallel between each other (gantry type router cnc) and the main linear guides that are on top
[12:10:30] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[12:10:47] <maxcnc> internet still on outside digging has started
[12:19:16] <MrSunshine_> https://www.ferrotec.com/products/ferrofluidic/inertiaDampers/ this was a bit interesting, but what is "seismic" mass? =)
[12:19:45] <MrSunshine_> tho i do not have double shaft steppers =)
[12:27:59] <malcom2073> Heh, I'll remember that marketing term for "weight"
[12:29:58] <CaptHindsight> it's similar to a harmonic balancer on an engine, only this uses a ferrofluid vs polymer as a spring
[12:38:21] <maxcnc> hi PetefromTn_ what about snow still shuffeling the 3foot
[12:46:21] <MrSunshine_> seems 10 microsteps and about 7200mm/min is the most my little computer can push out =)
[12:48:26] <MrSunshine_> but the center mass has to be a magnet or something ?
[12:49:26] <maxcnc> 540 as 10 microsteps
[12:49:50] <PetefromTn_> maxcnc no just sitting here while the home inspectors do their thing... SIGH
[12:50:40] <maxcnc> did you got some damage at home from the storm
[12:50:52] <maxcnc> home inspectors = inshurece
[12:51:04] <PetefromTn_> we hardly had anything you can call a storm. just some snow and cold
[12:51:26] <maxcnc> fine you survived
[12:51:48] <maxcnc> seen here in germany teribble pictues from TN
[12:51:56] <PetefromTn_> really?
[12:52:10] <maxcnc> people stock in piles of snow
[12:52:15] <PetefromTn_> I know Virginia and West Virginia and some of Washington got a bunch
[12:52:22] <maxcnc> many death on street accidents
[12:52:38] <maxcnc> TN got most according to CNN
[12:52:48] <maxcnc> 38Inch
[12:53:24] <maxcnc> hot ot go coustomer rings in !
[12:53:31] <ssi> never believe CNN
[12:53:32] <CaptHindsight> has anyone ever paid a customs duty on a shipment from China into the USA?
[12:53:36] <maxcnc> bye till internet back if gone
[12:53:40] <ssi> I know the people that make that shit ;)
[12:53:43] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Yeah
[12:53:51] <malcom2073> I've always had DHL or FedEx pay it, and then invoice me
[12:54:23] <malcom2073> Never been anything over $100 in duty though
[12:54:26] <CaptHindsight> what type of merchandise?
[12:55:01] <malcom2073> Electronic components (single board computers and the like), and my linear rails I had to pay like $40 on
[12:55:23] <CaptHindsight> ~10% duty?
[12:56:21] <malcom2073> the rails were $800, so 5%, but unsure what price they told customs they were, wasn't listed on the firm
[12:56:45] <CaptHindsight> I haven't been charged in years
[12:57:04] <malcom2073> I don't always get charged
[12:57:07] <malcom2073> i think it has to do with how it's sent
[12:57:20] <malcom2073> Electronics seem to be hit or miss as to if I get charged
[12:57:29] <CaptHindsight> but a partner in China had to pay 10% on a mainboard made there that I sent him from the USA :)
[12:57:37] <malcom2073> Heh
[12:57:42] <gregcnc> Depends how on total value and codes used to declare the items I think
[12:59:07] <gregcnc> oh yeah they don't want anything back once it leaves China, even items for warranty were going to be taxed
[12:59:26] <malcom2073> I sometimes forget, that there are people that genuinly believe the world is flat
[13:00:11] <_methods> only in hollywood
[13:00:18] <gregcnc> i read on the internet that bill gates want sot depopulate the world
[13:00:48] <_methods> if he really cares he'll depopulate himself first
[13:02:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/26/464474518/neil-degrasse-tyson-gets-into-a-rap-battle-with-b-o-b-over-flat-earth-theory
[13:02:19] <gregcnc> http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/12/north-carolina-citizenry-defeat-pernicious-big-solar-plan-to-suck-up-the-sun/
[13:02:41] <_methods> see, hollywood
[13:03:03] <malcom2073> I can't remember, is arstechnica another onion?
[13:03:26] <malcom2073> It's like IFLS, nobody knows exactly when they went from reality to satire heh
[13:03:28] <_methods> arstechnica used to be about computer hardware
[13:03:44] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: they were poking fun at the idiots in NC
[13:03:45] <_methods> at some point it went off the rails into SJW land
[13:05:19] <CaptHindsight> since everyone knows that solar cells are like black holes
[13:05:23] <gregcnc> I guess it was one guy at the city council meeting. but the news made great headlines with it.
[13:05:24] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: There's a sore lack of "edgy" memes in that twitter feed.
[13:05:26] <malcom2073> I'm disappointed
[13:05:44] <ssi> _methods: did you hear about the liberals that are all up in arms about walmart and other big corps donating bottled water to people in michigan affected by that government water treatment fuckup?
[13:06:01] <_methods> you mean in that city run by democrats?
[13:06:04] <ssi> _methods: they say that it creates a defacto water utility that is unregulated
[13:06:11] <_methods> lol
[13:06:11] <ssi> I say let them drink the government regulated tap water
[13:06:16] <ssi> nay, force them to drink it
[13:06:25] <ssi> ban bottled water
[13:06:27] <ssi> that'll fix it
[13:06:28] <_methods> their democrat friends are the ones who let the water get to that point
[13:06:58] <Sync> hm, nice
[13:07:03] <_methods> hahah walmart is the water company
[13:07:14] <Sync> you can see the rotary axis warming up in the torque it needs to spin :D
[13:07:24] <ssi> hah what was that meme about bottled water delivery from amazon turning into a pipeline that carries water from amazon
[13:07:49] <ssi> oh it's an xkcd that's right
[13:07:56] <ssi> http://xkcd.com/1599/
[13:08:19] <gregcnc> someone told me amazon sells more water than anything, i was like WTF?
[13:08:43] <ssi> I believe it
[13:08:50] <ssi> amazon can sell you anything you need
[13:08:57] <ssi> and what's at the top of mazlow's hierarchy of needs?
[13:09:05] <_methods> ummm
[13:09:12] <ssi> or bottom depending on how you look at it heheh
[13:09:21] <_methods> i remember that pyramid thing lol
[13:09:28] <_methods> grains?
[13:09:32] <ssi> http://www.researchhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/maslows-hierarchy-of-needs.gif
[13:09:37] <_methods> fruits and vegetables
[13:09:38] <_methods> lol
[13:09:38] <ssi> heheh
[13:09:51] <_methods> ahhh pizza
[13:09:51] <CaptHindsight> http://michaelmoore.com/DontSendBottledWater
[13:10:23] <_methods> didn't they make cars there?
[13:10:24] <_methods> lol
[13:10:40] <_methods> now they aren't even capable of creating potable water
[13:11:01] <ssi> #arrestmichaelmoore
[13:11:09] <ssi> just for fun
[13:11:16] <_methods> heheh
[13:12:48] <CaptHindsight> ssi: so what do you get out of this?
[13:14:17] <PetefromTn_> that would be a GREAT idea..
[13:15:12] <ssi> what do I get out of what?
[13:15:19] <_methods> bottled water
[13:15:50] <_methods> airbnb weekend with michael moore
[13:19:42] <CaptHindsight> _methods:
http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Detroit-Hiroshima.png
[13:20:04] <_methods> hahahahhahahahahah
[13:20:34] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: fits. unemployment is wors than A-bomb ;)
[13:20:37] <Loetmichel> +e
[13:21:23] <_methods> gotta love what they've done with the place
[13:21:52] <Sync> a friend of mine has had "housing upgrades"
[13:21:58] <Sync> because they closed down his block
[13:22:46] <gregcnc> Henry Ford museum is nice if you're ever over there
[13:23:19] <PetefromTn_> jeez what a rathole that place is now
[13:24:59] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: most uhmericans can't think things through that deeply
[13:27:41] <_methods> i would say it's a shame, but it never had to be that way
[13:30:14] <archivist> the beam engine in the henry ford museum belongs to a place 12 ish miles from me
[13:35:32] <gregcnc> http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/health/tennessee-teenagers-die-dewshine/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
[13:37:21] <_methods> easy day for natural selection
[13:37:22] <_methods> lol
[13:40:09] <ssi> gregcnc: play stupid games, win stupid prizes
[13:41:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/22/health/morphine-cough-syrup-recall/?iid=ob_article_footer_expansion&iref=obinsite
[13:41:45] <CaptHindsight> A California-based company is voluntarily recalling cough syrup because it contains morphine,
[13:41:53] <_methods> oops
[13:41:56] <CaptHindsight> Voluntarily?
[13:42:27] <CaptHindsight> morphine is a Schedule I drug
[13:42:30] <Jymmm> SIGN ME UP!!!!!!
[13:42:35] <ssi> "Coughing Liquid"?
[13:43:06] <_methods> Jymmm: the poster child for schedule I drugs
[13:43:12] <gregcnc> not understanding the difference between ethanol and methanol? I don't get it
[13:43:47] <gregcnc> sorry in buy nothing to eat from china
[13:43:52] <gregcnc> I buy
[13:43:52] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: they get metabolized differently
[13:44:21] <Jymmm> I shop in asian markets all the time. you can find some great stuff!!!
[13:44:26] <_methods> yeah if you don't start down that drag track immmediately with one you die
[13:44:38] <gregcnc> I know, but did they not? Or did they think the pump fuel was ethanol when casually called alcohol as the reported did in the story?
[13:44:44] <_methods> the other one you get a dui
[13:44:47] <CaptHindsight> Methanol ingested in large quantities is metabolized first to formaldehyde and then to formic acid[12] or formate salts, which is poisonous to the central nervous system, and may cause blindness, coma, and death.
[13:45:10] <_methods> die or dui
[13:45:10] <archivist> It's not the cough that'll carry you off, It's the coffin they'll carry you off in
[13:45:11] <_methods> sign me up
[13:46:36] <Jymmm> _methods: Hey, you know how difficult it is to get morphine?!
[13:46:46] <_methods> sure
[13:46:59] <Jymmm> _methods: The bigger issues is it's short shelf life.
[13:47:19] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: not sure, maybe it's a Tennessee thing? :)
[13:48:32] <malcom2073> gregcnc: Having had to field that question at the drag strip at least once a night when running funny cars... yes... people really don't know you can't drink "alcohol"
[13:49:21] <CaptHindsight> I thought it was just the nitro methane that you shouldn't drink much of
[13:49:30] <malcom2073> Shouldn't drink that either
[13:49:58] <_methods> dewshine nitro methane boiler maker
[13:50:00] <CaptHindsight> does anyone race with straight ethanol?
[13:50:02] <_methods> you do the first one
[13:50:07] <_methods> i'll film it for youtube
[13:50:18] <gregcnc> E85 is popular with turbo guys now
[13:50:37] <gregcnc> but it's only E50 here in the winter
[13:50:53] <CaptHindsight> just got my first tank of E15
[13:51:15] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1919075_1276976145652712_3187889185987062003_n.jpg?oh=3b1c5539ab9a71e32654bc98ff8b4065&oe=572B3213
[13:51:19] <ssi> looks like someone took my advice! ahahahahah
[13:53:45] <_methods> wonder if they'll even talk about it tonight at the debates
[14:00:31] <PetefromTn_> are there current logs or do they all stop at 2015
[14:02:29] <gregcnc> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/index.html
[14:02:43] <skunkworks> zlog
[14:13:35] <PetefromTn_> thanks
[14:25:15] <CaptHindsight> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/16/01/28/1554232/ask-slashdot-learning-robotics-without-hardware
[14:25:37] <CaptHindsight> the sim in linuxcnc
[14:27:48] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Vismach
[14:28:22] <Sync> heh, torque current reduces 3 fold when the axis is warm
[14:45:06] * JT-Shop managed to get 6 miles on the mtn bike today
[14:46:09] <Deejay> downhill? ;)
[14:49:14] <JT-Shop> some yea rest no
[15:09:33] <jdh> ciol.
[15:09:36] <jdh> cool
[15:09:49] <jdh> too wet here
[15:10:17] <JT-Shop> no rain for a few days here
[15:10:37] <gregcnc> free tape mate vmc?
https://york.craigslist.org/hvo/5390209162.html
[15:10:43] <jdh> I ride after work. usually dark
[15:11:30] <malcom2073> gregcnc: That's 15 minutes from me :P
[15:11:31] <JT-Shop> you got good roads to ride after dark?
[15:11:56] <jdh> mostly. I have safe routes
[15:12:14] <gregcnc> somebody retrofitted one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9PmjT-yrIM
[15:12:17] <jdh> usually get in 30-40 miles
[15:12:36] <JT-Shop> you on flat ground or hilly?
[15:13:22] <jdh> I can ride a 100 mile loop and get 800ft elevation
[15:13:54] <jdh> coastal flat
[15:14:54] <JT-Shop> we have some of everything here hilly to one side and flat to the other
[15:14:59] <CaptHindsight> I keep a bike in the lab. I walk passed it every day.
[15:21:38] <FloppyDisk5_25> gregcnc - that's sweet... always deals for someone else:-)
[15:23:17] <PetefromTn_> well home and termite inspection are done...hopefully everything goes well and they did not find anything major LOL feels like someone crawled up my keister and checked me out somehow ;)
[15:24:16] <_methods> x-files probing
[15:25:05] <PetefromTn_> yup
[15:26:16] <PetefromTn_> at least the termite guy told me that he did not find any active termite activity. He did say one of the legs on my back deck has some previous chewin'. He said the underside of the house looked real good...
[15:29:51] <cradek> that tapemate is probably a good candidate
[15:31:02] <malcom2073> I wish I had the room for it
[15:31:10] <malcom2073> Well... I have the room, if I put it on a dirt floor
[15:31:28] <malcom2073> But it'd be years before I got to retrofitting it heh
[15:32:18] <Sync> well
[15:32:20] <Sync> it is free
[15:32:21] <Sync> :D
[15:33:56] <archivist> you know you want it
[15:40:32] <malcom2073> I do
[15:40:37] <malcom2073> but it would cost more than Icould afford to move it :-D
[15:45:55] <Sync> just put some rollers under it and drag it behind your car
[15:47:10] <_methods> weld an axle to it
[15:47:34] <malcom2073> Heh
[15:47:45] <XXCoder> 4 wheels and v8
[15:48:24] <_methods> damn that is one oooogly ass fish
[15:48:26] <_methods> http://www.neatorama.com/2016/01/28/Couple-Find-Strange-Black-Walking-Fish-In-New-Zealand-Bay/
[15:50:03] <aventtini6> hello guys
[15:50:08] <aventtini6> whats up
[15:51:35] <aventtini6> guys any one who tune a servo motor
[15:51:41] <aventtini6> online
[16:23:31] <Deejay> gn8
[17:36:50] <Sync> round and round goes the rotary
[17:37:08] <Sync> now that it is nice and hot it spins pretty freely
[19:19:44] <zeeshan|2> got ripped off on ebay
[19:19:45] <zeeshan|2> :(
[19:23:49] <Sync> ):
[19:23:57] <Sync> what did you buy, or rather not buy?
[19:30:47] <zeeshan|2> archivist: you there?
[19:30:56] <zeeshan|2> i won auction for a hilger watts tb5-2
[19:30:59] <zeeshan|2> they send me a tb6-2
[19:31:07] <zeeshan|2> 0.001"/10" vs 0.0005"/10"
[19:33:14] <Tom_itx> is that good or bad?
[19:33:20] <zeeshan|2> bad
[19:33:25] <zeeshan|2> i got the worse one
[19:33:29] <zeeshan|2> i already got a level with that res
[19:33:38] <Tom_itx> i learned some things today
[19:33:58] <Jymmm> 1... 2... 3.
[19:34:36] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: how's your headlamp doing you?
[19:34:43] <Tom_itx> good
[19:34:51] <Tom_itx> it serves it's purpose
[19:34:58] <zeeshan|2> whatd you klearn
[19:35:10] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: cool =)
[19:35:24] <Jymmm> PCW: you around?
[19:35:28] <Tom_itx> the industry accepted way to draw a part
[19:35:35] <zeeshan|2> ??
[19:35:46] <Tom_itx> yes there is one
[19:36:33] <Tom_itx> don't do any of your fillets or chamfers in the sketch
[19:36:36] <Tom_itx> NONE
[19:36:58] <Tom_itx> use holes instead of pockets for rounds
[19:37:00] <Tom_itx> for another
[19:37:05] <zeeshan|2> ??
[19:37:09] <zeeshan|2> this is standard stuff mate
[19:37:09] <zeeshan|2> :P
[19:37:19] <Tom_itx> i know but there's more stuff
[19:37:31] <zeeshan|2> if you do pockets
[19:37:34] <zeeshan|2> the hole feature wont pick it up
[19:37:37] <zeeshan|2> when you go to dimension it
[19:38:15] <Tom_itx> well and when you model it, it's harder to pick up the center
[19:39:05] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 here's a q for you
[19:39:48] <Tom_itx> what's the quickest way to check a part to see if it was done right
[19:40:00] <Jymmm> pcw_home:
http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Open_Bench_Logic_Sniffer
[19:40:11] <zeeshan|2> go to arandom feature
[19:40:17] <zeeshan|2> and change the dimension in the sketch
[19:40:49] <Tom_itx> if you're checking it against a stock model
[19:40:59] <zeeshan|2> whatcha mean
[19:41:34] <Tom_itx> if you were teaching what's the quickest way to check work against the 'original' part?
[19:42:02] <Tom_itx> at least 99ish %
[19:42:13] <zeeshan|2> to see if theyre teh same
[19:42:19] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:42:22] <zeeshan|2> oh
[19:42:24] <zeeshan|2> i did that at work
[19:42:29] <zeeshan|2> these guys were trying to check manually hehe
[19:42:38] <zeeshan|2> you joint them together at their datums
[19:42:44] <zeeshan|2> and boolean subtract
[19:42:48] <zeeshan|2> if you have some volume left over
[19:42:51] <Tom_itx> that's one way
[19:42:51] <zeeshan|2> you know there was a diff
[19:42:59] <Tom_itx> basically the same...
[19:43:10] <Tom_itx> he checks the volume or surface area
[19:43:21] <zeeshan|2> yes
[19:43:36] <zeeshan|2> we havd an incident that 150+ models could be not the correct rev
[19:43:45] <zeeshan|2> wrote a script to place them on top of each other
[19:43:47] <zeeshan|2> subtract
[19:43:56] <zeeshan|2> and if vol existed, output a txt
[19:44:12] <zeeshan|2> imagine doing it manually
[19:44:22] <zeeshan|2> itd be impossible to catch a 0.015" movement of a hole for example
[19:45:02] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, there were those 35 problems for the course to do, out of them 10 will be graded
[19:45:09] <zeeshan|2> which 10? :D
[19:45:30] <Tom_itx> we haven't officially started doing them.
[19:45:43] <Tom_itx> i asked him if he had any more we can do
[19:45:56] <Tom_itx> so he's gonna get me ~100 more or so
[19:46:39] <zeeshan|2> nice
[19:46:40] <Tom_itx> 2, 4, 8, 12, 16, 18, 22, 24 and 32 for extra credit
[19:47:01] <Tom_itx> i redrew half of those in class today for something to do
[19:47:43] <Tom_itx> anyway... it's kinda fun
[19:47:53] <zeeshan|2> to get awesome at cad
[19:47:56] <zeeshan|2> just need practical
[19:48:00] <zeeshan|2> w/ a good instructor
[19:48:05] <zeeshan|2> practical = practice i mean
[19:48:11] <Tom_itx> they're both pretty cool
[19:48:49] <Tom_itx> glad i didn't get the gal cause she's a real bi*ch
[19:49:54] <Tom_itx> actually she wasn't on the faculty list this year
[19:50:37] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[20:13:40] <Sync> zeeshan|2: send the level to me, I could use a better one
[20:13:47] <zeeshan|2> :P
[20:14:03] <Tom_itx> send me one... i'll put it in my construction toolbox
[20:14:39] <malcom2073> When you really need that 2x4 to be within a thousanth of a degree
[20:15:06] <Tom_itx> absolutely
[20:15:11] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[20:15:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 one of the instructors was modeling pine wood derby cars and cutting em out of aluminum blocks
[20:16:53] <zeeshan|2> nice
[20:17:13] <Tom_itx> he couldn't get a spot drill to post to the gcode and was fighting it for 2-3 days. i looked at it and had him try something then told him it was in the post
[20:17:18] <Tom_itx> he didn't believe me
[20:17:31] <Tom_itx> i found out today he had the wrong post selected
[20:17:37] <zeeshan|2> :D
[20:18:00] <zeeshan|2> nub!
[20:19:30] <Sync> rekt
[20:20:58] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ was it you that was making a quad?
[20:21:29] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx I was looking into it and I have a kids toy quad does that count? ;)
[20:21:34] <zeeshan|2> sync ,, ill trade level for mikron overarm support :P
[20:21:49] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_,
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/first-person-drone-racing-is-much-harder-than-i-expected/
[20:22:11] <Tom_itx> there's a better one but i can't find it right now
[20:22:37] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell yeah FPV racing is really cool. as close to VR as you can get LOL
[20:23:54] <Tom_itx> http://bgr.com/2016/01/27/competitive-drone-racing-league-video/
[20:23:58] <Tom_itx> one of those i think
[20:24:00] <Tom_itx> watch em...
[20:24:17] <Tom_itx> yeah that was it
[20:32:30] <PetefromTn_> pretty cool stuff huh
[20:36:29] <Sync> do you have a picture of it zeeshan|2?
[20:48:40] <zeeshan|2> sync yea
[20:48:52] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/VOA3Ogh.jpg
[20:48:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/dT5fX35.jpg
[20:49:03] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/TbTiDZp.jpg
[20:49:06] <zeeshan|2> so upset with that lol
[20:49:15] <zeeshan|2> i wish they advertised it correctly
[20:49:16] <zeeshan|2> bastards =/
[20:55:58] <Sync> i meant the overarm support :P
[20:58:32] <zeeshan|2> sync ive seen pics of it
[20:58:34] <zeeshan|2> but i cant find it
[20:58:36] <zeeshan|2> its a very rare item
[21:00:06] <Sync> hmm
[21:00:47] <Sync> just make your own? :D
[21:00:53] <zeeshan|2> one day :P
[21:00:54] <zeeshan|2> if i cant find it
[21:00:57] <zeeshan|2> havent really needed it yuet
[21:01:32] <trentster> Anyone here ever used any of the PBC Linear equipment?
[21:01:43] <trentster> if so opinions?
[21:06:33] <trentster> Also wanted to ask, if anyone has ever used Steel I beams as base for a machines linear rails and if so what kind of expense was involved with machining both sides perfectly flat?
[21:08:46] <trentster> I guess this could probably also be done with self leveling epoxy
[21:11:45] <archivist> zeeshan|2, mine is a 6.2 as well
[21:11:56] <zeeshan|2> archivist: im upset man
[21:11:59] <zeeshan|2> it says tb5-2
[21:12:05] <zeeshan|2> specifically on the ad..
[21:12:19] <zeeshan|2> and they even said 0.0005/10
[21:12:29] <archivist> I have been stiffed by a few of the bad sellers as well
[21:14:31] <archivist> could be time for negative feedback for the seller
[21:14:43] <zeeshan|2> i asked for a refund :P
[21:14:45] <zeeshan|2> lets see what happens
[21:14:51] <zeeshan|2> the thing is tb5-2 seem to be rare
[21:23:11] <Sync> if your slab keeps tilting the level will get craycray
[21:23:47] <Duc> trentster: generally nice stuff from PBC linear
[21:25:28] <trentster> Duc: thanks
[21:25:57] <Duc> common on some cnc plasma table builds and Ive used a few items for work
[22:36:49] <cheetah2> can a mill do anything a lathe does?
[22:40:42] <SpeedEvil> 'no'
[22:41:15] <SpeedEvil> A comparatively cheap lathe can do things that a very expensive mill with very expensive tooling would have difficulty with
[22:42:12] <cheetah2> whats the best mill to convert to cnc?
[22:43:13] <SpeedEvil> http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/522332/3498017/0/1176606091/special_lighting_fixture_furniture_fittings_metal_parts_turned_parts.jpg - for example
[22:43:38] <SpeedEvil> most of these parts are easy to make on a lathe, but hard on a mill
[22:44:00] <SpeedEvil> You need to start with what you want.
[22:44:01] <cheetah2> ok
[22:44:43] <SpeedEvil> If you want to cut rough templates in thin plywood, the answer is very different than if you want to make three ton propellors from billet.
[22:45:02] <cheetah2> no i want to do gunsmithing
[22:45:58] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by that? Manufacture from scratch, or small parts, or ...
[22:46:37] <SpeedEvil> Working steel requires a much more rigid machine than many 'toy' CNC devices
[22:47:12] <cheetah2> yes thats why im wanting a mill
[22:50:03] <Jymmm> Rugar 10/22
http://i.imgur.com/QBD9L8m.jpg
[22:58:10] <Ralith> a few days ago you wanted to make wooden clocks
[23:10:13] <cheetah2> im wondering if it would be possible to make a barrel on a router
[23:38:32] <CaptHindsight> wooden whiskey barrel?
[23:44:45] <cheetah2> if i were to buy this would it work with linuxcnc?
[23:44:46] <cheetah2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-4-axis-Stepper-Motor-0-2-5A-Driver-Breakout-board-controller-kit-for-Router-/261635650728?hash=item3ceab334a8:g:sz4AAMXQfvlSkBZS
[23:54:45] <FloppyDisk5_25> cheetah2: It could/might... 1. Stepper timing:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
[23:55:47] <FloppyDisk5_25> 2. the breakout boards usually standard for their pin breakout of the parallel port, but I've heard of some boards giving people fits.
[23:56:45] <cheetah2> would 2A motors be anough to convert a x2 mill?
[23:57:24] <FloppyDisk5_25> depends on the winding of the motor, probably would do it.
[23:57:44] <FloppyDisk5_25> I would try to follow someone's example that worked for an x2 conversion, that way you're not learning and blazing new ground.
[23:58:12] <FloppyDisk5_25> Another note, if you can buy an older cnc machine and retro fit to linuxcnc - much recommended over conversion.
[23:58:17] <FloppyDisk5_25> But, I understand space and such.
[23:58:23] <FloppyDisk5_25> budget, etc.
[23:58:46] <FloppyDisk5_25> There's got to be a bunch of decent x2 conversions where you can follow.
[23:59:45] <FloppyDisk5_25> And, the chinese parts you recommended probably would work, but no-one can say unless they used them. If you're not familiar w/ those types of systems, I'd go w/ known components to save you aggravation.
