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[00:03:47] <chupacabra> test
[00:33:56] <SpeedEvil> icle
[01:34:18] <trentster> hey all
[01:34:35] <archivist> hay one
[01:35:52] <trentster> for all you Lathe mill users out there, is it true that for a diy lathe build, its possible to use a repurposed high end treadmill motor?
[01:36:28] <trentster> I mean for a lathe or a mill
[01:36:52] <archivist> one on the mailing list used one
[01:36:54] <trentster> howdy archivist, how goes things in your neck of the woods?
[01:37:55] <archivist> seems I have a days work today, but car not arrived to pick me up
[01:39:14] <SpeedEvil> trentster: the spindle motor is perhaps the easiest part of a lathe
[01:39:18] <archivist> my cnc lathe has a dc motor very similar to a treadmill motor
[01:42:13] <archivist> they are about 1/2 hp or less iirc,
[01:42:39] <trentster> SpeedEvil: yes I am aware its very involved, I was just wondering about the treadmill motor repurposing story I heard. If its a valid use or not.
[01:43:01] <trentster> archivist: waiting for a car to pick you up? Do you not drive?
[01:43:07] <archivist> valid if you can keep it cooled
[01:44:54] <trentster> I have caught the CNC Mill bug - I really want a mill now!
[01:45:24] <trentster> I suspect perhaps buying a tormach may land up cheaper than a dit build/conversion
[01:46:04] <archivist> one of everything minimum with extra for size
[01:47:24] <trentster> ?
[01:48:01] <trentster> archivist: no clue what that means
[01:48:05] <archivist> a mill a lathe a hobbing machine
[01:49:40] <archivist> then because of size limitations I have 4 running lathes two mills
[01:49:52] <archivist> one hobbing machine
[01:50:27] <SpeedEvil> Limitations of hobbing machines really grinds my gears.
[02:29:59] <Deejay> moin
[02:43:12] <trentster> SpeedEvil: archivist I don't even know what a hobbing machine is - it sounds like something from middle earth or the Mountain of doom ;-)
[02:44:21] <archivist_herron> gear cutting machine
[02:45:44] <trentster> aah ok.
[02:45:56] <trentster> I would like to try my hand at some cnc knife making
[02:48:10] <archivist_herron> isnt that more art form in the final polish
[02:50:09] <trentster> no, 90% can be cnc made, the rest needs to be hand finished
[02:50:59] <archivist_herron> supposed to be artisan blacksmith :)
[02:54:33] <trentster> archivist_herron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAXkuGYDUKk
[02:56:51] <archivist_herron> this box struggles to watch vids
[02:58:46] <trentster> my sympathies
[03:45:46] <beikeland> I'm playing with the ptest.hal sample trying to work out my limit switches and encoder setup while waiting for more parts. Is it possible to both show the state of a pin to a virtual led and have it drive an ecoder? I'm getting
[03:45:57] <beikeland> Pin 'parport.2.pin-10-in' was already linked to signal 'led-2_10'
[04:02:02] <archivist_herron> I cannot see why you want to drive an encoder
[04:03:22] <archivist_herron> an encoder drives a port
[04:04:32] <beikeland> maybe drive is the wrong word; sorry. but yeah, i want encoder to drive an input pin; but if possible maintain the virtual led for the test view
[04:08:25] <archivist_herron> you can view any pin no need to restrict yourself to parallel port pins
[04:10:00] <archivist_herron> in axis you can Show HAL Configuration and set watches on any signals or pins
[04:33:19] <beikeland> currently working with pyvcp and halrun just to see how it all works while the machine is unusable
[04:34:02] <beikeland> so i tried adding <halpin>"xenc-phase-a encoder.0.phase-A"</halpin> to the virtual led that used to be parallel port 10, but it doesn't update. should it?
[04:38:55] <beikeland> so i can define it as net led-2_10 3port.led-2_10 parport.2.pin-10-in encoder.0.phase-A and have both encoder and virtual led
[05:12:39] <XXCoder> heys
[05:48:36] <jthornton> morning
[05:49:56] <XXCoder> yo
[05:51:10] <ReadError> wheres the best to file a bug report
[05:51:24] <ReadError> seems like the wheezy live iso has been broken for a bit
[05:51:39] <ReadError> or doesnt work on 3 out of 3 machines i tried ;/
[05:53:39] <XXCoder> ya sure it passes md5 check?
[05:53:58] <ReadError> yup and sha
[05:54:16] <XXCoder> the fault is not in stars but iso then
[05:55:35] <jthornton> git bug report I think it is github.com/linuxcnc
[05:56:03] <jthornton> wheezy works for me the 20 times I loaded it
[05:56:15] <jthornton> did you check the md5sum
[05:57:25] <XXCoder> jthornton: asked that already
[05:58:09] <ReadError> I forget the exact error, I ended up just using the netinstall of wheezy and going from scratch, will try and get more info though
[05:59:00] <_methods> there is a netinstall of the livecd?
[05:59:06] <jthornton> lol I was busy typing and missed that
[05:59:20] <ReadError> _methods nah just the wheezy iso
[05:59:22] <_methods> oh nm you had to use the netinstall
[05:59:31] <_methods> sorry readingerror lol
[05:59:51] <_methods> no coffee yet
[06:00:02] <XXCoder> COFFEE STAT!!!
[06:00:04] <_methods> so what is wrong with the livecd?
[06:00:14] <XXCoder> 100cc drip injection!
[06:00:25] <XXCoder> 1cc/s
[06:01:28] <_methods> i had an issue with a machine i installed on with hdmi
[06:06:02] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/photos/i-qbK794M/0/X3/i-qbK794M-X3.jpg
[06:13:55] <_methods> ahh xorg
[06:14:07] <XXCoder> http://www.deconstructingcomics.com/podcast/references/tmcm.jpg
[06:14:09] <_methods> gotta love the xorg
[06:15:05] <ReadError> ya the output is kinda useless
[06:15:22] <_methods> is that an hdmi monitor by any chance?
[06:16:03] <_methods> if it is try booting it up with a vga monitor
[06:16:12] <_methods> then update everything and hook up the hdmi monitor
[06:16:24] <ReadError> nah im using vga already
[06:16:28] <_methods> oh damn
[06:16:30] <ReadError> mobo has hdmi
[06:16:35] <_methods> hmmm
[06:16:42] <ReadError> but the wheezy iso installer boots fine
[06:16:51] <_methods> yeah the installer would work fine for me
[06:16:59] <_methods> then i'd hook up hdmi monitor and i'd get the same crash
[06:17:11] <_methods> i had to hook up a vga monitor to boot up
[06:17:18] <_methods> but you're using vga so that rules that out
[06:17:26] <_methods> anything in the log file?
[06:17:53] <_methods> i think i booted into recovery mode to fix the xorg issue
[06:18:00] <_methods> i had to add some flags to the bootup
[06:18:10] <_methods> can't remember what i had to add
[06:19:02] <ReadError> oh I already have a good install, I was just trying to boot this to compare the jitter between the rtai and preempt-rt kernel
[06:26:40] <beikeland> There is definitvely an issue with the installer and usb keyboards. I tried 3 different systems, no keyboard after grub. PS/2 worked fine.
[06:34:35] <jthornton> I found with debian that different desktops had different issues and all of them had some issues or another that's why I went with Linux Mint and the Mate desktop
[06:43:20] <Demure_> I'm having a very hard time selecting stepper motors. I understand the specifications, but I don't truly understand what I should give importance. Is a higher amp motor with lower oz-in more worthwhile than a higher oz-in? I keep hearing too big a motor is no good, either, but if I don't know what I need, it's one of the more tempting options.
[06:44:20] <jthornton> there is a pretty good calculator on the wiki
[06:44:22] <Demure_> Also, I see that most stepper motors I come across are unbranded from somewhere in China, does this change how believable the specs are? I also have two Vexta stepper motors from Japan, but I'm unsure if the specs are good enough for the lathe I'm converting (First timer), they're 2-phase bipolar 240 oz-in 2A.
[06:46:25] <Demure_> Thanks, I missed that!
[06:47:00] <Demure_> But I do immediately see an issue: I have no idea what force is required to move the gantry and what cutting speed I should expect / want
[06:47:08] <jthornton> voltage is king with steppers, the higher the voltage you feed your drives the faster they can go
[06:47:21] <XXCoder> isnt oz-in far more important than how much power it uses?
[06:47:23] <jthornton> you have a lathe with a gantry?
[06:47:24] <XXCoder> ah I see
[06:47:48] <Demure_> I guess not, now that I realize :')
[06:47:58] <Demure_> Had to google gantry, I figured it meant the platform that holds the toolchanger
[06:48:09] <jthornton> the oz-in rating is how hard the stepper will stay still
[06:48:16] <Demure_> But how high I can feed the voltage is regarding the driver, not the motor, right?
[06:48:22] <XXCoder> jthornton: or keep moving?
[06:48:54] <Demure_> I was thinking going for 80v leadshine AM882 drivers
[06:49:06] <jthornton> nope that is holding torque
[06:49:08] <Demure_> From what I understand the oz-in is only for standing still and drops significantly when moving
[06:49:16] <jthornton> yep
[06:49:45] <Demure_> However isn't holding torque exactly the oz-in? Oz-in is the unit of measurement
[06:50:02] <Demure_> *holding torque the non-moving measurement
[06:50:09] <Demure_> I never actually see a measurement of force while moving
[06:51:19] <jthornton> http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/surestepmotors.pdf
[06:51:47] <Demure_> Ah, it has it in the graphs
[06:52:41] <archivist_herron> each motor should have a graph,
[06:53:01] <Demure_> I'm sure in time, but finding them can be another issue
[06:53:15] <SpeedEvil> Everything should have a graph.
[06:53:21] * SpeedEvil rages.
[06:53:44] <archivist_herron> chinese skip that "step"
[06:54:24] <Demure_> I'm doubting whether I should go for a chinese no-brand stepper with higher 'specs' rather than sticking with the branded oriental motor Vextas I have that might be on the low end
[06:54:44] <jthornton> is this a tiny hobby lathe like a sherline?
[06:54:46] <Demure_> I'm wondering if, while some of those chinese steppers might list double the oz-in and such, if they actually reach that at all or whether they fall below that of the ones I have
[06:55:15] <Demure_> It's an Emco compact 5, so pretty small ( https://www.werktuigen.nl/afbeeldingen/models/6573/1/emco-compact-5-cnc.jpg ) but fairly sturdy
[06:55:20] <archivist_herron> going for to much torque means lower top speed
[06:55:42] <Demure_> The ballscrews are driven by timing belts attached to the motor pulley
[06:55:48] <Demure_> So higher oz-in means I can achieve a lower speed?
[06:56:29] <archivist_herron> look at motors you can get a graph of to get an idea
[06:56:37] <Demure_> With enough speed, would it be possible to cut coarse threads like that of a helicoid ( http://www.cameracheckpoint.com.au/wpimages/wp6916dc0c_05_06.jpg )?
[06:57:33] <archivist_herron> yes just start well out of the thread
[06:57:56] <Demure_> If I understand correctly, that is to build up to the right speed?
[06:58:08] <archivist_herron> yes,
[06:58:12] <Demure_> Thanks!
[06:58:38] <archivist_herron> personally I would mill that thread though
[06:58:58] <Demure_> I would if I could, but I only have a tiny Roland MDX-15 without a fourth axis. :(
[06:59:35] <Demure_> I was hoping to eventually add live tooling to the lathe and a stepper to the c-axis and be able to mill it like that
[06:59:56] <archivist_herron> I have done a a thread about the same helix angle on my little cnc lathe
[07:00:14] <Demure_> How'd it go?
[07:00:26] <archivist_herron> smaller than the emco I think
[07:01:29] <Demure_> I'm trying to create linear motion from a circular action, hence my interest in them
[07:01:30] <archivist_herron> alright I think http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9004&subject=25792
[07:01:57] <archivist_herron> blind whitworth thread
[07:02:29] <Demure_> I think that's a fair bit finer than what I had in mind, but still good to know.
[07:02:34] <archivist_herron> no safety groove either, just use the taper out of the g76
[07:02:59] <Demure_> Out of brass?
[07:03:12] <archivist_herron> yes
[07:06:03] <archivist_herron> these were steeper I think http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9174&subject=26508
[07:07:00] <archivist_herron> I screw cut a left hand worm
[07:07:22] <Demure_> Nice! Would it be easier or harder to make coarse thread on a larger diameter (i.e. 60mm)?
[07:07:48] <archivist_herron> same just a higher cutting torque
[07:08:10] <Demure_> I see.
[07:11:27] <archivist_herron> for another worm I had backing support and milled it
[07:15:18] <Demure_> Might I ask what specs the motors on that small lathe where?
[07:16:03] <archivist_herron> actually I dont know it has the original small looking ones
[07:16:40] <Demure_> What lathe was it?
[07:16:51] <archivist_herron> starturn http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_08_04_starturn_encoder/IMG_1631.JPG
[07:17:52] <archivist_herron> most of the chines steppers are more powerful than those probably
[07:17:57] <Demure_> I see. I've heard they're fairly similar build wise to the Emcos.
[07:19:11] <Demure_> Probably, I'm just not sure whether to go for chinese steppers that have something like 500 oz-in or stick to branded stepper motors with 240 oz-in and actually have all the required specs. :) I mean, I'm familiar with a fair slew of chinese unbranded products that don't even come close to half of what they promise..
[07:28:38] <archivist_herron> I use chinese or what is lying around
[07:56:37] <trentster> Demure is your budget tight or do you have some flexibility?
[07:59:15] <Demure_> trentster: Tight but I'd rather get it right the first time. I have about 300$ available for both the stepper drivers and the motors.
[07:59:43] <Demure_> About 160$ should do for two leadshine drivers so that leaves about the same for motors
[08:00:23] <archivist_herron> get drivers use original motors, even cheaper
[08:00:40] <Demure_> The original motors are really bad, hence why I'm replacing them
[08:00:54] <Demure_> They have a very low step resolution
[08:01:03] <Demure_> Something like 7 I recall
[08:05:55] <Demure_> I do have those Vexta steppers around but just worried they won't be able to do much with their specs
[08:06:10] <Demure_> And now I have the budget, later, I most likely won't. :')
[08:06:38] <gregcnc> 72 steps per rev
[08:07:07] <trentster> Demure_: its not exactly in your budget, but if I was doing my build again or for future builds, I would use closed loop and servo motors. This will give you speed and torque and precision without compromise.
[08:07:28] <trentster> I would go for the Clearpath stuff, also means you dont have to buy drivers
[08:07:35] <Demure_> Ah, yes, that's the amount.
[08:08:16] <gregcnc> which version of this machine do you have exactly? Compact 5 CNC, or Compact 5 PC?
[08:08:47] <Demure_> trentster: Thanks. That would be ideal, but I'm not sure it's within the budget. I did see some cheaper hybrid steppers though, where the encoder goes into the driver. I'll have a look into the clearpath stuff just to see if there's an option.
[08:08:51] <Demure_> It's a Compact 5 CNC
[08:09:07] <Demure_> Not all of the old electronics still work
[08:09:15] <Demure_> But it was very cheap and comes with the automatic toolchanger
[08:09:29] <Demure_> (So I'll deal with the horrible paintjob someone once gave it....)
[08:09:35] <gregcnc> OK, 5 PC has a very simple conversion option
[08:09:55] <gregcnc> as opposed to the original horrible yellow it came in?
[08:10:03] <Demure_> ....I kind of like the yellow.
[08:10:39] <Demure_> I like the idea of redoing all the electronics so I fully understand what's inside of it and how to fix it if something goes wrong
[08:11:11] <Demure_> Also plan on replacing the spindle motor with a stronger one driven by a VFD so I can control that through LinuxCNC
[08:11:53] <gregcnc> my Compact 6 will still be yellow unless I find extra money to send it out for paint.
[08:12:32] <gregcnc> I think motors are sized such that little damage is possible in that machine.
[08:12:33] <Demure_> The problem of the paintjob on mine is not so much the colors (Not ideal, dark red + blue-ish gray) but rather that it's applied by hand, you can see the thick brush strokes...
[08:12:47] <Demure_> You mean to the user or to the machine?
[08:13:02] <gregcnc> or any of the Emco teaching machines
[08:13:12] <gregcnc> machine
[08:13:43] <Demure_> In case that something goes wrong or would they not be able to handle much force to begin with? It feels quite sturdy built, as I take it all apart and clean it, but it's of course no room-filling-lathe.
[08:14:57] <Demure_> trentster: I'm looking at the clearpath stuff, but why would I not need drivers?
[08:15:06] <skunkworks> The steppers are odd. I would honestly run the original drives with the original steppers...
[08:15:36] <gregcnc> because these are in classrooms you can't have a tech come out every time it gets crashed.
[08:15:50] <Demure_> Fair enough, but less of a concern here.
[08:16:40] <Demure_> trentster: Am I understanding it correctly that they hook up directly to the motion controller and use the same controls (step / dir)?
[08:17:03] <gregcnc> You can contorl the original DC spindle motor with a matching DC drive
[08:17:32] <skunkworks> the input to the stepper drives is phase (you can control the 4 phases)
[08:17:50] <Demure_> Would that be worthwhile? I already have a 1.2hp Siemens 3-phase motor and a VFD that I both got quite cheaply.
[08:18:19] <Demure_> skunkworks: Why would you suggest running the original steppers? They seem like they're not all that capable, low-res and I'd have to deal with fixing the electronics
[08:18:41] <gregcnc> I ran a DC motor on a manual lathe.
[08:19:57] <gregcnc> I've been slowly working on the Compact 6. i really wish i had waited to find a running machine. the less work that needs to be done the sooner you can make parts.
[08:20:47] <Demure_> That's true, but sadly it's hard to get a somewhat affordable CNC lathe around here
[08:21:09] <Demure_> And even if I got a working Compact 5 CNC, I'm not sure I'd want to work with the old controller
[08:21:18] <Demure_> What kind of work does your compact 6 need?
[08:21:25] <gregcnc> everything
[08:21:53] <Demure_> Surely it comes with a bed or frame? ;)
[08:23:48] <Demure_> The Compact 6 seems like quite an upgrade from the 5
[08:23:49] <gregcnc> i have servos to replace the steppers but now am worried they will be undersize after initial moves on 24V, have to try 48V. Have a servo to run the turret, but have to rewire it. I'm replacing the old spindle encoder with a CUI unit now.
[08:24:41] <gregcnc> http://www.dieselrc.com/projects/emcocompact6/ The Compact 6, 120, 220, 320 all use the same bed casting
[08:25:27] <gregcnc> I've done a lot more work and need to update.
[08:25:37] <Demure_> Thanks, that's nice to look through
[08:25:51] <Demure_> Upgrading the power supply does not seem like the biggest of issues
[08:26:12] <Demure_> Why replace the spindle encoder? It doesn't need to be all that precise, no?
[08:28:23] <skunkworks> Demure_, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn3ZLeZOYHIoRFqCC3eHWgA
[08:28:25] <gregcnc> it's not quadrature
[08:28:49] <skunkworks> that is all running the original drives. (pc version but still the same step drive electronics)
[08:29:16] <skunkworks> the spindle encoder works just fine as long as you don't need to rigid tap.
[08:29:46] <Demure_> I'm not sure I understand encoder lingo, what's the point of quadrature? I thought about using the original encoder since it seems to be quite simple and easy to wire up
[08:29:55] <Demure_> Ahh, I see, so for slow speeds?
[08:30:13] <gregcnc> quadrature can determine direction, for reversing the spindle on rigid tapping
[08:30:29] <Demure_> I'm sure the original drives would do a fair job, but the electronics that came with mine are not in good working order. When I wire it all up I can start the spindle and change it's speed, but can't make the Z or X axis budge
[08:30:42] <Demure_> gregcnc: Thanks, I understand now. :)
[08:31:40] <skunkworks> Demure_, sure - but is it the drives or the cnc conrol that is the problem?
[08:32:24] <gregcnc> mainly I wanted to do better than the original axis resolution, now I find out my servo encoders are 5000 line not 1250, but this should be OK.
[08:32:28] <Demure_> skunkworks: Not sure, but would it be doable to take out the drives of the old system and hook then up to a new controller board with no issues? Since I'm going to do rather small things I'm also still fairly worried about the 72 steps
[08:33:05] <Demure_> gregcnc: 5000 is a fair bit better than 1250, no? I only have one seperate encoder laying around that I now understand might still have some use for the spindle, albeit being a bit too high res for the purpose.
[08:34:09] <skunkworks> Demure_, with this machine - 72 steps gives you about .0005" halfsteps.
[08:34:22] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/emco-lathe/186598-machinist-software.html
[08:35:10] <skunkworks> ^ again info on the pc version - but the actual setup would be the same to control the drives directly.
[08:35:13] <gregcnc> yes, but if i were using software stepping the machine would be slow. Mesa Should keep up. My lathe will have 0.125 micron resolution vs 2.5 micron original.
[08:36:18] <skunkworks> ? how fast do you want to go? I think I was getting 40ipm with the original stepper/drives
[08:36:25] <Demure_> That's what I calculated before making the choice, but since I'm going to be making parts that will fit existing parts I'd like it to be exact as possible. Perhaps it's over-doing it, but this way I'll also feel like the machine is more reliable.
[08:36:29] <skunkworks> but - whatever you want to do. :)
[08:36:40] <trentster> Demure_: sorry was away, but yes the clearpath motor has the driver and encoder built right into the motor - you literaly plug it to Break Out Board and to power supply
[08:37:17] <Demure_> trentster: No worries! Do you have any experience with them yourself?
[08:37:39] <trentster> No, but I have a friend who has used them and he is blown away
[08:37:58] <trentster> Demure_: there is also neo7cnc on youtube channel he uses them and has a review - you want the link?
[08:38:29] <Demure_> trentster: No worries, I'll find it myself since you gave me the name. ;) The price doesn't seem crazy high as I was expecting.
[08:38:41] <Demure_> Makes you wonder what's the downside
[08:38:50] <trentster> well it will be at least double your budget I would think.
[08:38:56] <trentster> but the benefit is huge
[08:39:26] <trentster> its the way to go, steppers are very old tech now and should be avoided for new builds imho
[08:39:29] <Demure_> True, but double 300$ is not a HUGE increase
[08:39:47] <Demure_> I was looking into servos for a little bit and was seeing prices in the triple 0 range and gave up
[08:41:05] <Demure_> Would there be a big difference between the two series, i.e. the pulse ones with built in controller vs the ones designed to be stepper replacements?
[08:41:26] <trentster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kAcz-rG5s
[08:41:30] <trentster> there is the link btw
[08:41:31] <Demure_> I already ordered a stepper controler (MESA) but I doubt they've even touched my order so far
[08:41:41] <trentster> there is also a video there on conencting it to BOB
[08:41:47] <Demure_> Was already watching it. :)
[08:42:04] <trentster> :-) you are too quick for me
[08:42:57] <Demure_> I have nothing else to do right now then to fully throw myself on what motors to buy. ;) I recently graduated and have am jobless but have built up a small sum to get into machining and start a tiny business for myself.
[08:43:42] <trentster> what do you want to manafacture business wise?
[08:43:59] <Demure_> Cameras and lenses.
[08:44:07] <Demure_> Analogue ones
[08:44:55] <Demure_> I don't expect it'll be the biggest of hits but I don't need much to pay the rent at this point, so if there's ever a chance to try and make it work, it's now
[08:46:17] <Demure_> I'm hoping to make some replicas of lenses around the 1900s, in theory they're quite simple.
[08:46:32] <trentster> cool - sounds interesting
[08:47:25] <Demure_> Thanks a ton for the clearpath tip, I guess I'll be researching this for the following hour
[08:47:45] <Demure_> I wish they only had one choice of servo :')
[08:48:20] <trentster> I think you are looking for their standard Stepper replacement option
[08:48:35] <trentster> CPM-SDSK-2311S-EQN-1-1-D
[08:48:37] <Demure_> Yes, that's for sure, but I'm not sure on the torque and speed
[08:49:44] <Demure_> True, that's the one on his video, right? But then you have the eternal question....
[08:50:00] <Demure_> For 30$ more you get 20 oz-in more, and so forth
[08:50:18] <trentster> hah yeah - there is always a bit more for a bit more lol
[08:50:43] <trentster> you were thinking steppers before now you are already upgrading your clearpaths :P
[08:50:44] <Demure_> Exactly! It's horrifying. :( Makes me scared of the question of what if it's not enough?
[08:50:59] <Demure_> True, but before I was also thinking about what stepper power to get ;)
[08:51:11] <Demure_> And I'm not 100% sure, but the price is fairly doable
[08:51:57] <trentster> well my advice is go for same model as he uses ( I think thats the entry level one that includes servo encoder)
[08:52:33] <trentster> The big decision is stepper vs clearpath - which to me is a no brainer. I wish someone had advised me when I did my build
[08:53:15] <Demure_> Any bad clearpath stories you've heard out there?
[08:53:53] <trentster> you can even try phoning them and seeing if there is a discount for a startup or for education, sometimes they may be open to you doing a video review etc
[08:54:04] <trentster> nope I havent heard any bad things
[08:54:21] <trentster> They also have a great no quibble warranty and are US made
[08:55:27] <Demure_> Don't all their stepper killers have built in encoders? They say they can't lose steps.
[08:57:39] <trentster> "stepper killer" is a loosely used buzzword - essentially anything that is closed loop will know if its lost position and exactly where it is vs where it should be
[08:57:46] * JT-Shop got the 7i92 up and running :)
[08:57:48] <gregcnc> what are they? AC servo's with step/dir controllers built in?
[08:58:02] <trentster> gregcnc: yup
[08:58:22] <gregcnc> 800 steps/rev seems weak?
[08:58:29] <trentster> brushless dc servo motors with built in encoders
[08:58:38] <Demure_> JT-Shop: Congrats :)
[08:58:55] <Demure_> And of course, but since all of them seem to say that they don't lose steps makes me think they have encoders
[08:59:36] <Demure_> What do you mean with 800 steps/rev? I'm seeing 0.06 degree resolution
[09:00:32] <gregcnc> i saw 0.45
[09:00:38] <Demure_> Ah, they have different models indeed
[09:00:42] <gregcnc> their website is terrible
[09:00:48] <Demure_> They seem to have similarly priced 0.06 degree servos
[09:00:55] <Demure_> It's not the best, it's really hard to actually just get a straight up list
[09:01:03] <Demure_> https://www.teknic.com/model-info/CPM-SDSK-2311S-EQN/
[09:01:05] <Demure_> Here's the 0.06
[09:01:12] <trentster> Demure_: https://www.reddit.com/r/CNC/comments/3fnhp4/anyone_used_clearpath_servos_from_teknic/
[09:01:55] <gregcnc> That model is a stepper motor, not DC or AC brushless.
[09:03:00] <Demure_> How is it a stepper if it's listed as a servo?
[09:03:19] <Demure_> (Ty, will read)
[09:04:02] <malcom2073> servo is a feedback mechanism, not a motor type fwiw. You can servo steppers
[09:04:03] <gregcnc> servo implies feedback. the torque curve is classic stepper
[09:05:06] <Demure_> Ah, I see.
[09:05:36] <Demure_> What would be the difference between a servo stepper like that and a DC or AC brushless?
[09:06:03] <gregcnc> more torque at at speed.
[09:06:41] <Demure_> How do I notice whether they're steppers or brushless? Their website seems to all call them brushless
[09:08:39] <gregcnc> in application it won't matter as long as you operate under the torque curve.
[09:09:41] <Demure_> I see.
[09:10:10] <gregcnc> If noise was an issue, steppers would still be noisy
[09:10:57] <Demure_> How would I recognize based on the curve what type it is? Drooping curve vs linear curve?
[09:12:03] <gregcnc> I'm not surte about what I said they say they're quiet
[09:12:21] <gregcnc> I wish they were straight forward with details.
[09:15:09] <gregcnc> so these are tuned with their software via USB?
[09:15:23] <Demure_> From how I understand it, yes
[09:15:32] <Demure_> They have a micro usb port
[09:28:39] <trentster> gregcnc: I think all the datasheets are available there for download, you may need to register first
[09:29:08] <gregcnc> I see what they're doing. Clearview is a great stepper replacement, much more reliable than stepper. Is it still open loop to Linuxcnc?
[09:29:15] <trentster> Demure_: neo7nc has a video of him tuning them, you can see exactly how its done
[09:34:09] <Demure_> I doubt they'd be open loop to LinuxCNC, as I don't see the encoder feedback going out of the motor
[09:38:49] <MrSunshine> machine feels strong when im test running it now atleast =) leaned my weight on the different axis and cant get it to stall =)
[09:39:16] <MrSunshine> thats at 6000mm/min maximum hopefully when im done tweaking everything i can go even higher =)
[09:42:04] <MrSunshine> i realy should make a new plate for the Z axis tho .. to much weight to high up i think =)
[09:47:38] <Demure_> Hmm, I'm confused now
[09:47:47] <Demure_> For most price ranges on the ClearPath stuff there seems to be 3 models
[09:47:57] <Demure_> D-RLN, P-RLN or S-RLN
[09:48:06] <Demure_> Each have identical price and identical stats, except for oz-in
[09:48:20] <Demure_> They have 64 oz-in, 112 oz-in and 223 oz-in
[09:48:35] <Demure_> The last one has somewhat reduced RPM, so that makes sense
[09:48:43] <Demure_> But the first two do not (4000 RPM)
[09:48:50] <Demure_> Why would you ever consider the first option (Lower oz-in)?
[09:49:44] <MrSunshine> i guess the price and if you dont need anything bigger? =)
[09:49:58] <anomynous> is oz like a measure of volume? Like when cooking? Are you measuring steel in oz? How many oz of steel your machine can eat?
[09:50:26] <Demure_> But the price and size of the motor are identical
[09:50:27] <archivist> oz= ounce an imperial weight measure
[09:50:41] <Sync> freedom units
[09:50:48] <anomynous> oz/min ;D
[09:51:18] <anomynous> Sync, why freedom units?
[09:51:39] <Sync> because nobody besides freedom country uses them significantly
[09:51:40] <Demure_> Because America uses them I suppose?
[09:52:10] <MrSunshine> are you sure its not troy ounces then ?
[09:55:05] <malcom2073> Did I hear that someone needed some freedom?
[09:57:06] <ssi> because when canadians say "Hey, how many newton meters does your camaro make, eh?"
[09:57:10] <ssi> it sounds stupid :D
[09:57:42] <malcom2073> nobody knows what a newton is.
[09:57:48] <ssi> a newton is fruit and cake
[09:57:49] <malcom2073> Pretty much everyone knows what a pound is
[09:57:59] <malcom2073> newton pound is a cake nobody likes
[09:58:11] <gregcnc> they must be wound for different voltages
[09:58:12] <ssi> newton pound isn't a thing
[09:58:14] <Demure_> "Pretty much everyone knows what a pound is" See, that's where you're wrong
[09:58:16] <ssi> that'd be units of force squared :)
[09:58:17] <malcom2073> ssi: Shush.
[09:58:18] <Demure_> I have no clue what a pound is
[09:58:20] <malcom2073> It's cake
[09:58:22] <malcom2073> a*
[09:58:23] <archivist> poundal
[09:58:28] <gregcnc> newton cake?
[09:58:34] <ssi> Demure_: easy, a pound is a slug foot per second squared!
[09:58:35] <ssi> :D
[10:00:11] <malcom2073> Demure_: Possibly location bias, I work with people who work with units of measurement a lot. It's entirely possible that most people *don't* know what a pound is, but I'm curious how many of them know how much a newton is
[10:01:24] <archivist> an apple hitting you on the head
[10:01:36] <gregcnc> lack of details, they are not showing current, if you compare them at lower voltages the differences become more obvious.
[10:01:40] <malcom2073> archivist: by definition, you're not any more normal than I :P
[10:01:43] <Sync> ssi: it is weird
[10:01:49] <Sync> I like Nm but cannot stand kW
[10:02:04] <gregcnc> kW are great
[10:02:17] <Sync> but I also cannot really stand SAE hoerspower
[10:02:30] <Sync> DIN PS ftw.
[10:03:41] <ssi> Sync: see I don't mind kW
[10:03:51] <ssi> ugh you germans and your DIN
[10:03:55] <ssi> go back to germany, german
[10:03:57] <ssi> ;)
[10:04:02] <gregcnc> i dislike BTU
[10:04:12] <Sync> yeah btus are cray cray
[10:07:08] <Sync> working with a lot of overclocking phase change cooling units gave me a feel for them
[10:07:12] <Sync> but kW are better.
[10:07:20] <ssi> http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/politics/article/A-mysterious-dude-in-Iowa-keeps-accusing-Ted-Cruz-6785507.php
[10:07:23] <ssi> ahahahaa
[10:07:23] <ssi> troll level: expert
[10:09:43] <_methods> hahah
[10:10:36] <_methods> he's canadian and he likes nickelback................
[10:10:42] <_methods> 2 strikes you're out
[10:10:47] <ssi> :D
[10:11:50] <_methods> he probably use adobe flash too
[10:11:50] <DaViruz> a funny detail regarding power and torque, the constant to convert between DIN hp and kW is 1.36
[10:12:04] <DaViruz> and the constant to convert between Nm and ft-lbs is also 1.36
[10:12:10] <DaViruz> though they are in no way connected
[10:12:26] <malcom2073> Illuminati: confirmed
[10:13:09] <DaViruz> though they are in reverse, 1.36hp is 1kW and 1.36Nm is 1ft-lbs
[10:13:10] <Sync> mastertroll of all levels ssi
[10:13:10] <Sync> :D
[10:13:28] <DaViruz> reverse with regard to imperial/metric
[10:14:32] <Demure_> ...What! Clearpath doesn't allow international orders!
[10:14:51] <DaViruz> adding an extra line to the address label is just too much work
[10:15:07] <Demure_> Geez, that screws with the plans
[10:15:27] <Sync> DaViruz: more like they don't want to deal with all the ITAR shiet
[10:15:31] <DaViruz> find a freight forwarder
[10:15:50] <DaViruz> i usually use jet carrier, but i think they only deliver to sweden, norway and denmark
[10:16:10] <Demure_> I suppose I could, but that would increase the price even more. :( I'll have a look around.
[10:16:21] <DaViruz> for me it often turns out cheaper :)
[10:16:39] <DaViruz> epsecially if i can wait 3-ish weeks, then i can choose boat shipping which is super cheap
[10:17:22] <Demure_> Hmm, perhaps not the end of the world, then.
[11:50:13] <ssi> too quiet :/
[11:52:13] * Tom_itx drops a hammer in an empty barrel
[11:53:48] <enleth> Tom_itx: a washing machine works better
[11:53:56] * Jymmm tosses Tom_itx into the dumpster
[11:55:17] * Jymmm opens a bag of corn chips (have you ever noticed the plastic is the the loudest thing ever when you are trying to be quiet?! lol)
[12:04:19] <ssi> lol
[12:12:41] <FloppyDisk5_25> If I have MILL setup (through pncconf) and accidently type G7 (lathe radius mode)
[12:12:46] <FloppyDisk5_25> How do I get out of G7?
[12:13:22] <FloppyDisk5_25> I noticed a g55 g1 x5.25 move only went about 1/2 way, which seems to make sense, but it shouldn't do that...
[12:14:43] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[12:15:17] <FloppyDisk5_25> I checked my INI and no LATHE=1
[12:26:32] <archivist> FloppyDisk5_25, probably a bug that it is possible
[12:27:40] <archivist> FloppyDisk5_25, but as g8 is the default did you try that to undo g7
[12:29:45] <archivist> FloppyDisk5_25, but, it would be usable like that on a mill that has a rotary axis
[12:30:46] <FloppyDisk5_25> Sorry - had to step into my office...
[12:30:56] <FloppyDisk5_25> I have not tried g8, but I will.
[12:31:54] <FloppyDisk5_25> Let me go try it now, give me about 6 mins... need to run to the garage.
[12:36:53] <FloppyDisk5_25> RESULTS for a g55 g1 x-5.25 move:
[12:37:05] <FloppyDisk5_25> g7 it travels to about -2.6 (1/2 way)
[12:37:36] <FloppyDisk5_25> g8 it travels the full dist to -5.25... seems to be okay. Just seems like i shouldn't be able to do the g7...
[12:37:55] <_methods> cnc machines are notorious for doing what you tell them to do
[12:38:12] <FloppyDisk5_25> _methods - yup, and I had no intention of the g7, fumbly fingers...
[12:38:24] <_methods> better than a .
[12:38:39] <_methods> those little bastards will get you in big trouble when they're in the wrong place
[12:38:41] <Loetmichel> _methods: exept when the servo drivers die....
[12:39:16] <FloppyDisk5_25> The thing that gets me is I don't even think I was trying to type a g-code close to 7, so that perplexes me. Maybe a Y, but that doesn' tmake sense either.
[12:41:26] <FloppyDisk5_25> I seem to have 'skill' at getting into places that are hard to get out of... Not sure I'd put that on a resume.
[12:41:46] <_methods> not unless you're trying to get a job breaking into jails
[12:41:47] <_methods> lol
[12:42:08] <_methods> or a wedding planner
[12:42:35] <maxcnc> weddingplaner in the usa is more then jailed for years
[12:42:50] <maxcnc> Jaingang type people
[12:42:55] <maxcnc> C
[12:43:59] <FloppyDisk5_25> machining question: I have 1/2" alum plate that I need to mount a shoulder bolt w/ 5/16-18 thread.
[12:44:33] <FloppyDisk5_25> I took used on F drill (0.257) which is recommended for the tap and figured my mill would be straight.
[12:44:53] <FloppyDisk5_25> I was lazy and didn't center drill (term?), and my hole is crooked as can be...
[12:45:48] <FloppyDisk5_25> So now, I'm thinking of using a 3/16" end mill to drill down and make a .257" 'round' hole. What's the best way to make that hole square?
[12:46:18] <archivist> you wanted round!
[12:46:27] * archivist dicks
[12:46:31] <archivist> ducks
[12:46:56] <FloppyDisk5_25> I got round, I wanted square/perpendicular. My shoulder bolt looks like the leaning tower of pisa and the pulley attached to it rubs...
[12:47:38] <FloppyDisk5_25> I guess, is the hole not square because I didn't center drill (term?) or because you can't drill that straight?
[12:48:00] <FloppyDisk5_25> I think because I didn't center drill, the bit must have walked on the surface when it started and then the whole operation was shot...
[12:48:16] <archivist> you already have a sized hole the endmill will make it larger on one side, a slot
[12:48:52] <FloppyDisk5_25> I'm starting over... the plate is ruined, unless I get a different shoulder bolt.
[12:48:58] <gregcnc> I interpolate holes with end mills for tapping often
[12:49:33] <FloppyDisk5_25> gregcnc - I would think you could. I usually don't need to be square, but this is for a pulley and belt...
[12:50:06] <FloppyDisk5_25> Anyway, I'll go the 3/16" endmill way and interpolate to a .257 hole, that should be square.
[12:50:18] <FloppyDisk5_25> It'll take longer than a drill bit op...
[12:50:35] <archivist> I got told waaaaay back in school to work up in size, not drill full size in one
[12:51:16] <FloppyDisk5_25> archivist - that would make sense and I think starting w/ a .257 and no center drilling is the problem (my bad - lazy)
[12:51:17] <gregcnc> just pay attention to your feed rate because cutting radius is close to tool radius
[12:51:43] <FloppyDisk5_25> gregcnc - yes. I cut so slow anyway, I'm a fraidy cat...
[12:51:51] <gregcnc> I use split point drills they rarely walk in aluminum
[12:52:06] <FloppyDisk5_25> I'll check that out - thanks.
[12:59:22] <ssi> I spot drill every hole, no matter what
[13:00:14] <DaViruz> i spot weld every hole
[13:00:15] <maxcnc> agrees on ssi best comen way to do the job
[13:00:26] <DaViruz> since they are in the wrong place because i didn't spot drill
[13:00:28] <DaViruz> or something
[13:00:43] <maxcnc> Davirus cnc controled
[13:01:04] <FloppyDisk5_25> ssi: I think I will in the future. Was lazy.
[13:01:26] <ssi> get a proper spot drill, not a center drill
[13:03:26] <FloppyDisk5_25> http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/05/15/when-to-use-a-spot-drill/
[13:03:53] <FloppyDisk5_25> ssi - didn't know that (cnccookbook). fortunatley, I have both center and spot drills, so I'll switch.
[13:03:57] <maxcnc> 2012 has been past
[13:04:21] <maxcnc> tols are cheeper cnc faster and work is taken into a better way
[13:04:46] <FloppyDisk5_25> One other comment (to myself) is to start using tool offsets and get tool lengths into a tool table, so I don't have to touch off each time... grrr.
[13:04:56] <maxcnc> who stops to see the futher ,is jailed in the past !
[13:05:44] <maxcnc> tool tabel use is the step from noob to pro
[13:05:51] <maxcnc> G41 g42
[13:06:18] <maxcnc> the gcode showes the Drawing numbers and the mashine calculates the ofset
[13:07:07] <maxcnc> Zero path miling is noob "not modelling"
[13:07:56] <maxcnc> the workplace will be cut of from the internet next wek
[13:08:14] <maxcnc> starting from friday
[13:08:34] <maxcnc> getting fiver
[13:09:01] <maxcnc> hi Jep
[13:09:14] <maxcnc> is pete still in snow cover
[13:09:20] <jepler> hi maxcnc
[13:10:59] <maxcnc> im off Gn8 hard Day
[13:18:38] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Amazon AWS spot instances are cheap if you need a monster-machine for a few hours. They're leasing me 32CPUs with 160GB of ram on a 10Gbps pipe for ~40 cents an hour.
[13:28:54] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk5_25: That's 1.5 months compared to the $15/year VPS =)
[13:29:51] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: do you need that much cpu?
[13:31:22] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Well, no, but that's the smallest machine you can get on a 10Gbps pipe.
[13:45:14] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: bitcoin mining again? :)
[13:45:47] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Monstruous as it is, I doubt it'd be able to make more than it costs.
[13:46:02] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: is that for 32 actual single core cpu's or?
[13:46:16] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: It's virtualized so I doubt it.
[13:46:21] <CaptHindsight> or how do they measure
[13:46:23] <CaptHindsight> ah ok
[13:46:40] <FinboySlick> Still, it's fast.
[13:47:01] <FinboySlick> I really just need the network interface but hey.
[13:47:26] <CaptHindsight> might be the last day to order form China and get it shipped before the 16 day weekend
[13:49:06] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: You mean for me?
[13:49:16] <CaptHindsight> for anyone
[13:49:33] <FinboySlick> OK. I thought this was in reference to the network card or somesuch.
[13:49:36] <CaptHindsight> this has been a public service announcement
[13:50:00] <CaptHindsight> you may now go back to your regular programming
[13:50:18] <FinboySlick> Trust me, my programming is nothing but regular :P
[13:51:01] <FinboySlick> I meant anything but regular :P
[13:51:14] <CaptHindsight> 13 pc Erickson ER11 collet set at MSC $435, "similar" set on ebay from Hong Kong for $15
[13:51:36] <CaptHindsight> irregular
[13:51:49] <CaptHindsight> like the $15 collet set :)
[13:52:24] <gregcnc> I have some Erickson ER16 that don't fit my nuts, not sure which is irregular
[13:52:57] <FinboySlick> Won't nuts make you regular?
[13:53:12] <CaptHindsight> yeah you have to be sure you have matching nuts
[13:53:42] <gregcnc> mine match, well after hernia surgery i'm not so sure
[13:54:14] <CaptHindsight> Maritool ER11's are ~$19ea
[13:54:50] <gregcnc> these were $8 new off ebay
[13:55:07] <gregcnc> but who knows
[13:55:55] <gregcnc> I should check the same size in the Erickson set I hve
[13:56:34] <CaptHindsight> the thread for the nuts should be the same
[13:56:48] <CaptHindsight> the inside shape of the nut may not be
[13:57:44] <CaptHindsight> low profile, hex, space saver heh
[13:58:01] <gregcnc> they nuts are Iscar/ETM with the spinny bushing
[13:59:53] <gregcnc> The collet is actually larger than most where the taper meets the groove
[14:00:25] <CaptHindsight> does Erickson sell a nut?
[14:08:56] <CaptHindsight> confidence building ebay description : "We've had a customer satisfaction guarantee for a long time, So Just go for it"
[14:10:17] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Ah, ok.
[14:11:55] <ssi> ha
[14:18:05] <gregcnc> capthindsight, The other Erickson 3/8" collet fits. It's hard to measure much difference, but i didn't try hard.
[14:25:14] <CaptHindsight> once in a blue moon I'll get a reject from Shars that is out of spec
[14:26:08] <gregcnc> These Erickson are India.
[14:27:53] <CaptHindsight> a maritool set is 1/2 the erickson price
[14:28:34] <CaptHindsight> same for Techniks
[14:28:50] <CaptHindsight> and Enco
[14:29:13] <FinboySlick> Always had wonderful service with Maritool too.
[14:29:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/3349-4512000-etm-er-11-collet-sets.html ETM
[14:29:36] <gregcnc> i have to try some Maritool stuff. Techniks i had were not good. I ebay this stuff. i got a Lyndex ER16 set for $90 new.
[14:29:43] <FinboySlick> My mill and still is too limited to see notice the difference in quality, mind you.
[14:31:36] <CaptHindsight> I mostly make one-offs that don't have any cosmetic requirements
[14:35:20] <CaptHindsight> others here need to make production quantities and need them as perfect as possible for the time and price
[14:39:24] <gregcnc> this looks fun https://www.instagram.com/p/BBDZ3THvJ2S/
[14:49:33] <CaptHindsight> is it an illusion or is that part off center?
[14:50:06] <gregcnc> illusion because you can see through the fins on top at the tailstock
[16:17:52] <jepler> somebody should add gcode output to this and send me a pull request https://github.com/jepler/dashing
[16:25:53] <Deejay> gn8
[16:30:09] * JT-Shop is done lumberjacking for the day
[17:54:01] <__rob> wondering if someone can help with with a setup question
[17:54:43] <__rob> say I mill a part out of some non perfect bit of stock, so I face the top, zero from that face, and then cut the part, leaving material underneath thats held in the vise
[17:55:00] <__rob> then I flip it, and want to face off whats left
[17:55:17] <__rob> how do you normally work out how much to mill off ?
[17:55:49] <__rob> assuming the stock wasn't perfect, then you zeroing off differnt points on it would give a different depth that comes off
[17:55:58] <JT-Shop> I put my height gauge on the parallels and call that Z-the finished part thickness
[17:57:39] <JT-Shop> or if you have a 1 2 3 block use that to set the tool height off the parallels
[17:59:11] <JT-Shop> I usually square up my material before starting a part
[18:00:46] <__rob> yea, ok, that makes sense - thanks
[18:04:30] <__rob> guess what I was thinking about that was to get 90 degree faces can't be that easy
[18:05:05] <JT-Shop> very easy
[18:05:32] <__rob> opposite faces being parallel, but all 6 faces of a bit of stock being at 90 degrees to each other perfectly
[18:05:38] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/machining/squaring.html
[18:06:48] <JT-Shop> I should make some fancy diagrams to make that easier to follow
[18:08:04] <__rob> in my head theres always the possibility of a trapezoidal bit of stock
[18:08:17] <__rob> so parraele faces but not mutually perpendicular
[18:08:33] <__rob> no doubt I am wrong
[18:08:59] <JT-Shop> study the link a bit and you will see how it is done
[18:10:11] <JT-Shop> as you rotate the stock about you always use the squared side to square the next and so on till your done
[18:13:52] <Simonious> Anyone here used DOORS and or other requirements software packages?
[18:14:01] <Simonious> I'm interested in other options..
[18:16:17] <JT-Shop> what is DOORS?
[18:16:29] <JT-Shop> sound like your lost
[18:16:50] * Simonious chuckles
[18:17:01] <Simonious> I'm not lost, just looking for needles
[18:17:14] <JT-Shop> so what is DOORS?
[18:17:17] <zeeshan|2> rob_h: i use my vise as a parallel
[18:17:19] <zeeshan|2> er
[18:17:23] <zeeshan|2> vise or parallel as the reference plane
[18:17:36] <zeeshan|2> you dont need to rely on the work piece at all then
[18:17:50] <zeeshan|2> but the thing is when you mount your work piece upside down
[18:18:13] <zeeshan|2> i make sure i leave wayyy more material than needed
[18:18:20] <zeeshan|2> cause ive been screwed by tapers from a bandsaw kit
[18:18:22] <zeeshan|2> *cut
[18:18:24] <zeeshan|2> i cant type :/
[18:19:18] * JT-Shop thinks zeeshan|2 is high on suburu fumes :)
[18:19:22] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:19:27] <zeeshan|2> jt shop where is my data
[18:19:28] <zeeshan|2> :{
[18:19:51] <JT-Shop> std dev
[18:19:52] <JT-Shop> 0.005177283
[18:19:52] <JT-Shop> aver
[18:19:52] <JT-Shop> 1.5602698
[18:19:52] <JT-Shop> max
[18:19:52] <JT-Shop> 1.565957
[18:19:54] <JT-Shop> min
[18:19:56] <JT-Shop> 1.556323
[18:19:58] <JT-Shop> range
[18:20:00] <JT-Shop> 0.009634
[18:20:12] <JT-Shop> keep in your mind the part was not a super slick hole and it's a BP knee mill
[18:20:13] <zeeshan|2> but you said the hole wasnt really round:(
[18:20:49] <JT-Shop> it was round as it was turned on a lathe but the finish was lets say a bit rough
[18:20:56] <zeeshan|2> 5 thou std dev would be too much =/
[18:21:02] <zeeshan|2> hm
[18:21:08] <zeeshan|2> then there is something funky going on
[18:21:16] <zeeshan|2> even though the finish is rough
[18:21:18] <zeeshan|2> it should be round
[18:21:19] <JT-Shop> I don't think it was the probes fault
[18:21:30] <zeeshan|2> have you dont axis repeatability tests?
[18:21:34] <zeeshan|2> with a dial indicator?
[18:21:37] <zeeshan|2> *done
[18:21:50] <__rob> JT-Shop, https://youtu.be/igfqYZPdQ78?t=479
[18:21:51] <JT-Shop> my final speed may have been too fast
[18:21:59] <__rob> thats what he does to stop it being trapezoid
[18:22:08] <__rob> which was the bit in my head that was confusing
[18:22:13] * JT-Shop can't look at utube off free time
[18:22:27] <__rob> ahh ok, well hes on your step 5
[18:22:42] <__rob> but when setting up on one of the sawn ends uses a small square to setup
[18:23:05] <__rob> against one of the other milled sides
[18:23:07] <JT-Shop> there are I'm sure many ways to the end
[18:23:10] <zeeshan|2> thats wayyyy too much work
[18:23:12] <zeeshan|2> the way that guy does it
[18:23:19] <__rob> yes, but how else do you do that
[18:23:26] <zeeshan|2> most of the time you dont even need all 6 sides square
[18:23:29] <zeeshan|2> cause youre going to be milling it off
[18:23:30] <__rob> to get the ends to be mutually perpendicular
[18:23:40] <__rob> no, but if you doo want them to be
[18:23:47] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:23:48] <__rob> thats surely the only way ?
[18:23:51] <zeeshan|2> but like see most of the time im machining stuff away
[18:23:54] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2: did you read my link?
[18:24:06] <zeeshan|2> no i didnt
[18:24:19] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/machining/squaring.html
[18:24:30] <JT-Shop> if you need a square block
[18:24:40] <zeeshan|2> it really depends on the part
[18:24:44] <zeeshan|2> those instructions are for a square block
[18:24:48] <zeeshan|2> which for me is rarely ever the case
[18:24:53] <zeeshan|2> cause the machine will be 2d profiling anyway
[18:24:56] <__rob> JT-Shop, can you see images ?
[18:24:56] <JT-Shop> and your correct you don't always need a square block just depends on the part
[18:25:02] <__rob> so if I screenshot
[18:25:11] <zeeshan|2> rob post some pics of wha tyoure makin
[18:25:34] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/y6dJ0I2.jpg
[18:25:36] <zeeshan|2> when i was doing this part
[18:25:42] <JT-Shop> often I have to make parts square then add some features to that
[18:25:46] <zeeshan|2> the only 2 surfaces that were parallel to each other were the ones that the vise jaw saw
[18:25:48] <__rob> JT-Shop: http://i.snag.gy/5n1ih.jpg
[18:25:49] <zeeshan|2> the bottom, top
[18:25:51] <zeeshan|2> everything was out of square
[18:25:54] <__rob> this is the bit that I am confused about with your method
[18:26:09] <__rob> without squaring, how these ends are perpendicular to the other sides
[18:26:20] <__rob> the part can just spin around or sit based on the sawn face on the parallel
[18:26:41] <JT-Shop> using a machinist square won't work if you need precise
[18:26:57] <JT-Shop> nice part
[18:27:05] <zeeshan|2> just leave 1/8 " extra
[18:27:07] <zeeshan|2> and you can eyeball it
[18:27:07] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:27:18] <zeeshan|2> thanks man
[18:27:22] <zeeshan|2> it was a royal pain
[18:27:28] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/R2XmOQu.jpg
[18:27:31] <zeeshan|2> thats what it ende dup being
[18:27:32] <zeeshan|2> not perfect
[18:27:35] <zeeshan|2> but within tolerance
[18:27:50] <JT-Shop> that's all that matters in the end
[18:27:58] <__rob> JT-Shop, so your method will be accurate your saying ?
[18:28:22] <JT-Shop> it's not my method it is a standard method of machining
[18:28:27] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[18:28:31] <__rob> no I know, the method you presented I mean
[18:28:41] <JT-Shop> yes it is very accurate
[18:28:54] <zeeshan|2> these methods all work
[18:29:06] <zeeshan|2> time, and amount of material wasted in machining is the variable
[18:29:11] <__rob> just cant see how all 6 sides would be square
[18:29:19] <__rob> once you have 4 sides all done
[18:29:24] <__rob> then your always going to have 2 sawn faces
[18:29:32] <__rob> that your setting up against
[18:29:34] <__rob> to do the other side
[18:29:37] <JT-Shop> nope read the link again
[18:30:01] <JT-Shop> read outside of you box
[18:30:05] <JT-Shop> your
[18:30:17] <zeeshan|2> step by step
[18:30:29] <zeeshan|2> step 1, mount random chunk in vise and machine top surface flat. this is surface #1
[18:30:35] <zeeshan|2> when you now put surface #1 against the vise jaw
[18:30:40] <zeeshan|2> it'll sit square to the vise
[18:30:47] <zeeshan|2> if your vis eis good
[18:30:48] <JT-Shop> yep
[18:31:03] <zeeshan|2> the main problem is gripping will be uneven so thats why people use like aluminum tig rod or something
[18:31:06] <zeeshan|2> electrical tape :P
[18:31:21] <zeeshan|2> if you can see how that work, i think the rest of the steps work by themself
[18:32:18] <zeeshan|2> i luv tom's techniques
[18:32:22] <zeeshan|2> without his flycutter series
[18:32:28] <zeeshan|2> id be a noob
[18:35:11] <__rob> "This face is perpendicular to the other faces only on the edge."
[18:35:14] <__rob> what does that mean
[18:35:21] <CaptHindsight> copper wire also works with uneven material
[18:35:22] <__rob> the face is either perpendicular or not
[18:36:42] <zeeshan|2> __rob: machinist course night school :P
[18:36:58] <zeeshan|2> or just mess around in the shop
[18:38:18] <__rob> think I can see how it works
[18:38:27] <__rob> wasn't clear that machined faces get machined again
[18:38:35] <__rob> thats what I was missing
[18:39:55] <__rob> like reading the solution to a brain teaser
[18:39:59] <JT-Shop> yea one face gets machines twice
[18:40:02] <__rob> sketching it out with the axis helps
[18:40:15] <JT-Shop> I put a mark on it so I don't machine the wrong side
[18:48:59] <__rob> yup, the flip and rotate is the crux of it, then the second facing step is obvious
[18:52:36] * JT-Shop listens to Rush
[18:57:02] <PetefromTn_> Rush the band or Rush the radio personality ;)
[18:57:15] <zeeshan|2> pete isnt it packing time!
[18:57:25] <PetefromTn_> nope
[18:57:30] <PetefromTn_> not yet anyway
[18:57:37] <PetefromTn_> tomorrow is the home inspection
[18:57:48] <zeeshan|2> should be ok?
[18:57:58] <PetefromTn_> just paid an AC guy to come over and check out my unit to make sure everything is okay with it
[18:58:06] <PetefromTn_> better damn well be okay LOL
[18:58:20] <PetefromTn_> been working on this Beotch for 8 years now LOL
[18:59:07] <zeeshan|2> i remember the custom duct
[18:59:09] <zeeshan|2> you were makin
[18:59:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah it came out great thanks man!
[19:00:37] <PetefromTn_> man that 3 rotor manifold design is coming along nicely ;)
[19:12:15] <bobo__> Hay Pete saw this and thought it might be of some use to you in the new search " point2homes.com" as opposed to zillow.com
[19:12:36] <PetefromTn_> heh zillow does kinda suck azz ;)
[19:12:52] <PetefromTn_> we are using Realtor dot com and a few others too.
[19:13:19] <PetefromTn_> My mother is down there right now looking for me too and she is REALLY good at picking houses LOL She has like four now hehe
[19:14:10] <PetefromTn_> ssi ya there man?
[19:14:22] <bobo__> zillow still is a usefull link, just not as good as your mom though
[19:15:43] <PetefromTn_> she actually found a nice one already but she said there are quite a few foreclosures available but you gotta have cash in hand to bid on them so we would have to wait for closing
[19:23:09] <bobo__> zeeshan|2: did you get the note ? http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/machinery-for-sale-or-wanted/fs-small-swedish-abarboga-radial-arm-drill-1000us-ontario-canada-314360/
[19:23:55] <bobo__> he also is selling a Hermle mill
[19:27:02] <bobo__> zeeshan any chance you might wander over there with a camera and photo the Hermle mill ?
[19:33:58] <bobo__> Pete have heard of using a "Bridge loan" for house moving $, but seemed to be a good way to get streached very thin as far as finances go.
[19:35:03] <PetefromTn_> we got it covered I think..
[19:35:36] <PetefromTn_> just hoping the home inspection goes well and we can get this deal sealed for certain. We have a signed contract already tho
[19:37:00] <bobo__> Pete your finances are really not my business. just throwing out a possible
[19:38:22] <PetefromTn_> Well I don't mean to post my business in here anyway but you guys are so helpful with ideas LOL
[19:39:48] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/xBGoJam.jpg Pretty sweet hydro dipped LSX intake and other parts in the shop today. I liked it!
[19:40:53] <_methods> is that your miata
[19:40:54] <_methods> lol
[19:41:03] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/3QO92Qu close up
[19:41:12] <PetefromTn_> no its in a GTO actually LOL
[19:41:18] <_methods> heheh
[19:41:22] <PetefromTn_> I don't have a miata....but I would!!
[19:42:11] <_methods> you got work lined up when you get back to fl?
[19:42:12] <bobo__> Pete so after the home inspection is the start of the real RUSH . might pre apologize to the better half before hand
[19:43:10] <_methods> finally got the welder in the garage, i don't need pics lol
[19:43:23] <PetefromTn_> well I honestly don't have any work lined up in florida but I have a lot of CNC work that is not local that I will be doing. I also HOPE to be doing some more fabrication and tig welding work like I am doing here..
[19:43:27] <_methods> i don't know where i saw that crazy block, or thought i saw it
[19:43:42] <PetefromTn_> OOHHH damn I forgot to take that pic..
[19:43:47] <PetefromTn_> I am sorry man
[19:43:54] <_methods> but it's nothing but gas,water,ground and power
[19:43:57] <_methods> pretty simple
[19:43:59] <PetefromTn_> hang on I MAY have a picture of the welder here
[19:44:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is pretty simple stuff really
[19:44:12] <_methods> nah it's cool i finally have it here at the house to look at
[19:44:13] <_methods> yeah
[19:44:29] <PetefromTn_> I think yours is different than mine anyway
[19:44:40] <_methods> i had it stuck in a connex and wasn't able to look at it
[19:44:41] <PetefromTn_> yours has a couple features mine does not from what I recall...
[19:44:48] <_methods> i'll take a pic one sec
[19:46:34] <PetefromTn_> anyone interested to see that 3 rotor manifold I am working on? It is not complete but getting there..
[19:47:53] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u51yga9g2r1fbwb/2016-01-27%2020.20.31.jpg?dl=0
[19:48:10] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7dekqqcrbozuscd/2016-01-27%2020.20.39.jpg?dl=0
[19:48:26] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ap9dsjf0r14h9d1/2016-01-27%2020.20.48.jpg?dl=0
[19:49:19] <_methods> same as yours?
[19:49:47] <PetefromTn_> no not at all
[19:49:53] <PetefromTn_> yours looks a lot nicer ;)
[19:49:58] <_methods> hahah
[19:50:01] <_methods> really?
[19:50:02] <PetefromTn_> and it is quite different
[19:50:09] <_methods> i'm gonna send the panels out to get powdercoated
[19:50:16] <_methods> they look like dog poo
[19:50:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine is a great machine but it has few features
[19:50:48] <PetefromTn_> I honestly care more about how it works than how it looks....mine WORKS great...very smooth and powerful
[19:51:10] <_methods> well i won't care until i know it's working good
[19:51:14] <_methods> then i'll clean it up some
[19:51:48] <_methods> i get stuff powdercoated for free so i don't really care
[19:52:11] <Jymmm> _methods: Well, aint we special!
[19:52:13] <PetefromTn_> looks pretty good already
[19:52:36] <_methods> well it's not free i'll just end up makin parts for the powdercoaters lol
[19:53:04] <PetefromTn_> if it were mine and I wanted to clean it up I would probably just redo the side and top covers and just really clean up the control area and leave it
[19:53:13] <_methods> but usually if i tell them to just shoot with whatever is in the gun they don't charge me
[19:53:25] <_methods> yeah that's what i'm gonna do
[19:53:31] <Sync> you'll get pink with flakes
[19:53:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah the powder is pretty cheap overall
[19:53:43] <_methods> side panels and top panels and the grills by the power/ground
[19:53:57] <_methods> heheh pink wrinkle
[19:53:59] <Jymmm> _methods: Expect a container on your driveway in the next 24 hours
[19:54:06] <_methods> heheh
[19:54:31] <PetefromTn_> what'd you pay for that thing again?
[19:54:43] <Sync> oh wrinkle powder is pretty awesome
[19:54:44] <_methods> well depends on what i get for the welder power supply
[19:54:55] <_methods> i got that and a mig power supply for $400
[19:55:13] <_methods> so if i can sell the mig power supply for $200 or get that much in scrap
[19:55:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah that's a steal...
[19:55:16] <_methods> i paid about $200
[19:55:27] <PetefromTn_> I paid over a grand for mine
[19:55:33] <_methods> i see them for that much
[19:55:36] <PetefromTn_> probably paid too much
[19:55:41] <_methods> i couldn't pass it up at $400
[19:55:49] <PetefromTn_> but the guy I bought it from let me make some payments so I could not pass it up.
[19:55:50] <_methods> even if i only get $50 for the other rig
[19:56:19] <_methods> i'm too lazy to scrap out the transformers on it
[19:56:29] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind having one like that or perhaps an even newer model with pulsing etc.
[19:56:38] <_methods> so if it doesn't sell in a couple weeks i'll just take it to the scrap yard and see what they'll give me
[19:56:56] <PetefromTn_> the kicker is that my L-tec works so good I can't see getting another one except for just a backup..
[19:57:16] <PetefromTn_> so I don't want to spend a bunch of cash on it...
[19:57:17] <_methods> well i heard they were good machines
[19:57:23] <_methods> and the price was right
[19:57:28] <PetefromTn_> its old
[19:57:34] <PetefromTn_> but it is built to last awhile
[19:57:44] <PetefromTn_> everything is extra heavy duty
[19:57:45] <_methods> yeah i like the looks of the components inside
[19:57:48] <_methods> nice and simple
[19:57:53] <_methods> no complicated control boards
[19:58:03] <PetefromTn_> no its pretty simple really....
[19:58:16] <PetefromTn_> mine is VERY heavy as I am sure yours is as well
[19:58:20] <_methods> yeah lol
[19:58:29] <_methods> had to use and engine hoist to get it out of my trukc
[19:58:32] <_methods> truck even
[19:58:33] <PetefromTn_> I am really glad it is on wheels or it would be a bitch
[19:58:52] <PetefromTn_> does yours have the big top loop for hoisting with a crane?
[19:58:56] <_methods> i need to make a bottle holder on the side of my cart
[19:59:00] <_methods> yeah it has lifting eye
[19:59:13] <PetefromTn_> yours does not have the bottle caddy on the back?
[19:59:28] <_methods> nah no cart
[19:59:30] <_methods> it's on skids
[19:59:34] <_methods> i had to make a cart for it
[19:59:40] <PetefromTn_> oh okay
[20:00:02] <PetefromTn_> mine IS its own cart and the back of it has the big bottle caddy built into the unit
[20:00:15] <_methods> yeah i need to add bottle caddy to mine
[20:00:27] <_methods> i forgot about that when i was welding the cart up
[20:00:46] <_methods> i guess i'll add a hose/wire hanger to it too
[20:01:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine has a handle on the front that I wrap the hose and wires around and I set the foot control on top of it. it also has another little hook on top that someone made for it that holds my helmet
[20:02:49] <PetefromTn_> it also came with a LOONNNGG set of cables I can reach almost all the way across their shop over there to weld on the cars on the lifts when I need to.
[20:03:09] <_methods> yeah i only got 25' leads
[20:03:30] <PetefromTn_> thats not bad either
[20:03:44] <PetefromTn_> I don't really know how long mine are
[20:03:48] <_methods> nah it should work for most stuff
[20:03:51] <PetefromTn_> did you order a torch yet?
[20:03:56] <_methods> yeah
[20:04:01] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[20:04:02] <_methods> i got the wp-17f
[20:04:06] <_methods> i'll try it out
[20:04:09] <PetefromTn_> I hope you like it
[20:04:20] <_methods> i might get a wp-9
[20:04:36] <_methods> i'll see how i like the 17 first though
[20:04:38] <PetefromTn_> I like mine it does not really get hot unless I am really burning stuff for very long periods and even then it is not bad.
[20:05:08] <_methods> well i'll try and score a water cooler at an auction
[20:05:18] <_methods> sooner or later i'll find one for cheap
[20:05:36] <PetefromTn_> I have thought of buying or making one but as I said I have never reached a point where I thought I would need one...
[20:05:47] <_methods> i don't really need one so i won't be tempted to buy one for stupid money
[20:05:59] <PetefromTn_> maybe if I worked on a line or something where I was CONSTANTLY welding
[20:06:04] <_methods> yeah
[20:06:19] <_methods> how long does a tank last you?
[20:06:21] <PetefromTn_> the vast majority of my day is spent fitting parts and tacking them
[20:06:23] <_methods> you using a 300
[20:06:41] <PetefromTn_> I have the big tank yeah 3oo or 330 I think it is called
[20:07:03] <PetefromTn_> it lasts a good while even over there welding daily it lasts several weeks
[20:07:04] <_methods> yeah that's what i got
[20:07:16] <_methods> ah good deal
[20:07:26] <_methods> i was worried the gas cooled would blow thru tanks
[20:07:31] <PetefromTn_> the constant back purging eats some tho..
[20:07:41] <_methods> refill is only like $30 so it's not that big a deal
[20:07:50] <PetefromTn_> shit I wish I paid that..
[20:07:51] <_methods> but i don't want to be draggin tanks around all the time
[20:07:55] <Duc> _methods: what do you use for sharpening your tungsten
[20:07:55] <_methods> really?
[20:08:00] <_methods> no idea yeat lol
[20:08:04] <_methods> i have a grinder
[20:08:10] <_methods> probably use that and a drill
[20:08:34] <Duc> Been trying to justify a tungsten grinder. The hand held units
[20:08:39] <PetefromTn_> you would laugh if I told you what I use
[20:08:54] <_methods> i just see the welders at work stickin the tungsten in a drill
[20:08:59] <_methods> then hittin the grinder
[20:09:10] <_methods> or belt sander
[20:09:24] <PetefromTn_> hehe at least I am not alone
[20:09:36] <_methods> i think that's industry standard
[20:09:37] <Duc> Ive used belt sanders, 4.5 grinder with flap wheel and grinders
[20:09:53] <PetefromTn_> I use my drill and an angle die grinder with a sanding pads
[20:10:00] <Duc> LOL
[20:10:07] <_methods> pretty sure if you showed up to our shop with one of those tungsten grinders they'd tell you go get back in your car
[20:10:09] <PetefromTn_> works good tho
[20:10:20] <PetefromTn_> why?
[20:10:34] <_methods> i think they make fun of welders that use them
[20:10:42] <Duc> Guys at work use the one and loves it. But he is welding TI and SS together
[20:10:46] <_methods> i seem to remember them makin fun of some guy that came in with one
[20:10:47] <Duc> plus inconel
[20:11:04] <PetefromTn_> huh
[20:11:12] <PetefromTn_> never welded inconel
[20:11:27] <Duc> it sucks. sucks even more to machine
[20:11:38] <PetefromTn_> I have machined it never welded it
[20:11:39] <_methods> yeah i hate that stuff
[20:11:46] <_methods> machining nightmare
[20:12:12] <Duc> yea and eats tooling alive
[20:12:26] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind having a grinder but I use a very short setup and most of the time I am using very short tungstens so not sure they would work in the grinders
[20:12:29] <_methods> you just better make sure you use the right feeds and speeds
[20:12:36] <_methods> or you'll be pickin your teeth up off the floor
[20:12:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah it sucks to machine
[20:13:02] <Duc> http://www.usaweld.com/Tungsten-Grinder-p/sharpener.htm
[20:13:37] <Duc> I can hear the high pitch sound across the shop
[20:13:49] <PetefromTn_> hard to stomach that 230 for me for some reason LOL
[20:14:05] <_methods> yeah i have a diamond wheel on the grinder so i'll just use that
[20:14:12] <_methods> or the belt sander lol
[20:14:15] <_methods> whatever is closer
[20:14:37] <_methods> i'm lazy like that hehe
[20:14:59] <Duc> install grinder on top of tig welder
[20:15:21] <_methods> hell this thing is big enough i need to install something on it
[20:15:47] <Duc> No kidding.
[20:16:40] <Duc> I was looking for a tig like that but people want to much
[20:16:55] <_methods> auctions
[20:17:07] <_methods> best place to get one i think
[20:17:18] <_methods> or get lucky on craigslist
[20:17:33] <_methods> wife selling exhusbands dynasty for $50
[20:17:34] <_methods> lol
[20:17:54] <PetefromTn_> just watched that video about the tungsten grinder
[20:18:05] <PetefromTn_> apparently YOU have to turn the shaft manually
[20:18:11] <_methods> lol
[20:18:19] <_methods> i have to do that already
[20:18:30] <PetefromTn_> not sure how you are going to get a nice centered point that way
[20:18:33] <_methods> well i just have to pull the drill trigger
[20:19:03] <Duc> I got lucky on craigstlist on a sycrowave 210 for 700 plus a ar10 rifle
[20:19:14] <PetefromTn_> with a cordless drill and the die grinder which is usually sitting there anyway it is like a minute op at best... I just keep a sanding disk JUST for the tungstens
[20:19:24] <Duc> lol
[20:22:52] <Duc> Hmmm how fancy of a cat wheel to build for the wife
[20:25:43] <_methods> i guess i should check the spark gap on the welder
[20:26:39] <bobo__> Pete when in florida you can grind tungsten outside for the palmetto bugs to grow up on, hear that makes them easer to train
[20:27:46] <Duc> can you find replacement spark inserts for the welder?
[20:30:46] <_methods> hmm no idea
[20:30:57] <_methods> i haven't even looked at them yet to see how worn they are
[20:31:33] <_methods> i'll check that tomorrow
[20:31:34] <Duc> I forget what they were made of
[20:31:38] <_methods> hells kitchen is on now
[20:31:40] <Duc> ebay may have a few
[20:38:57] <PetefromTn_> I once did the spark gap adjustment on mine but that is about it....
[20:39:54] <PetefromTn_> I have owned it for quite a few years now with zero issues other than when I tried to push the unit around in the shop while standing on the foot control cable snapping the plug quite quickly LOL
[20:42:40] <_methods> heheh
[20:44:11] <trentster> yay - Hiwin kit just arrived :-)
[20:44:19] <trentster> I am in Linear heaven
[20:45:56] <PetefromTn_> Well looks like I won't be buying that forced air heater for the shop after all ;)
[20:46:12] <malcom2073> Hah
[20:46:15] <malcom2073> Need an AC unit more like it :)
[20:46:20] <PetefromTn_> yup
[20:46:26] <PetefromTn_> I have one of those actually
[20:46:36] <malcom2073> And a dehumidifier
[20:46:45] <PetefromTn_> naah
[20:46:53] <malcom2073> Heh
[20:47:28] <PetefromTn_> my kids are like....Daddy I can't wait to get to Florida, I want to catch a Marlin!
[20:47:37] <PetefromTn_> I have NO idea where they got that.
[20:47:51] <malcom2073> Haha
[20:47:58] <malcom2073> Probably their friends?
[20:48:55] <PetefromTn_> I think they probably got it from the youtube videos we were watching of people kayak fishing in florida for big game fish hehe
[20:51:28] <malcom2073> So, gonna get a boat? :)
[20:51:32] <malcom2073> Or are you not gonna be that close?
[20:52:11] <PetefromTn_> we got four fishing kayaks ;)
[20:52:37] <PetefromTn_> can't wait to get them down there and do some fishing on the intercoastal and Indian River as well as the ocean
[20:53:03] <malcom2073> Nice!
[20:53:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah they are a lot of fun. we have only been able to take them out 3 times due to the cold weather but when we did take them out we had a blast on them.
[20:55:34] <FloppyDisk5_25> trentster - what's the hiwin for ?
[21:08:32] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5420112804.html $500????? You gotta be kiddin' me right
[21:09:25] <CaptHindsight> top speed 3620 rpm!!!!!!
[21:10:16] <CaptHindsight> two step pulley open air drive
[21:10:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah its freaking fantastic :D
[21:10:40] <CaptHindsight> 2 x 2 outlets, om a switch
[21:11:12] <PetefromTn_> I wouldn't pay $200 for that thing let alone $500 LOL
[21:11:15] <CaptHindsight> no children or Chinese were harmed in its manufacture
[21:13:24] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5419038797.html Looks real nice but $11k?
[21:15:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Series-I-CNC-mill-R2E3-with-updated-control-/161746989151 $2300
[21:16:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Series-I-R2E3-CNC-Mill-/121408779482 $5k or best
[21:16:33] <CaptHindsight> some people like to dream :)
[21:17:05] <malcom2073> mmm $2300 and an hour away
[21:17:32] <PetefromTn_> offer em 1k LOL
[21:17:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRIDGEPORT-V2XT-CNC-MILL-/281919176013 US $2,900.00
[21:17:56] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: I got no room, and a perfectly good mill :P
[21:18:15] <PetefromTn_> I got no room either ;)
[21:18:36] <PetefromTn_> well at least soon I won't have any room..or a house LOL
[21:19:16] <CaptHindsight> find me a good TIG :)
[21:20:06] <PetefromTn_> those HTP machines are very nice
[21:20:30] <PetefromTn_> several of the top Tig welders in the tuner crowd use them
[21:23:24] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5419003904.html I find this one amusing too...
[21:24:37] <_methods> 60th anniversary!!!!!!
[21:25:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah thats priceless
[21:28:15] <trentster> FloppyDisk5_25: to replace my current rails (fully supported round bar)
[21:43:11] <zeeshan|2> bobo didnt hear :P
[21:46:18] <bobo__> zeeshan did you look at the ad ? sounds like your area of the known world
[21:47:10] <zeeshan|2> about 1hr from me
[21:53:55] <bobo__> that is a very usefull radial arm drill press , might also be worth looking over the Hermle. the other swiss cnc maker vers Mikron
[23:24:31] <nos> http://i.imgur.com/nhSc524.gif