#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-01-20

[00:00:15] <bobo__> zeeshan ^^
[00:08:59] <zeeshan|2> not sure
[00:09:11] <zeeshan|2> i meet him tommo
[00:09:16] <zeeshan|2> ill get updates
[00:09:24] <zeeshan|2> its sleep time!
[02:39:14] <Kucharsky> Hello guys, I'm in the middle of plowing through linuxcnc documentation (plan to read it all). Can someone explain me this part (i quote):
[02:39:35] <Kucharsky> ""PNCconf is made to help build configurations that utilize specific Mesa Anything I/O products.
[02:39:35] <Kucharsky>
[02:39:35] <Kucharsky> It can configure closed loop servo systems or hardware stepper systems. It uses a similar wizard approach as Stepconf (used for software stepping, parallel port driven systems).
[02:40:16] <Kucharsky> so if I'm using parport and sending step/dir signals to leadsine stepper drive
[02:40:16] <Kucharsky>
[02:40:33] <Kucharsky> does it count as hardware stepping or software stepping
[02:42:33] <Kucharsky> If it software, what counts as hardware stepping - I mean with hardware stepping what is L.cnc actually sending to output pins if not step dir signals?
[02:43:28] <archivist> software, parallel port is often setup with stepconf
[02:44:15] <archivist> hardware means an fpga is creating the step signal
[02:44:28] <Kucharsky> I see
[02:45:19] <Kucharsky> and what is linux cnc sendin to such fpga card when it wants to move axes?
[02:45:33] <Kucharsky> also step dirs?
[02:45:49] <archivist> a number , how many steps etc
[02:46:21] <Kucharsky> ok i see
[02:47:03] <Kucharsky> archivist: thank you
[02:47:39] <archivist> I have stepper systems at the moment
[02:48:06] <Kucharsky> hardware or software driven?
[02:48:23] <archivist> software
[02:50:13] <Kucharsky> I've been doing l.cnc reaserch on and off for last few months never had possibility to acutally play with any hardware - kids, wife, small apartametn, work
[02:50:55] <Kucharsky> but this stuff is so fascination that I'm not gonna give up this time
[02:50:56] <archivist> I lurked in here for about 6 months to a year before my first machine was up and running
[02:51:28] <Kucharsky> yeah, good place to find help fast this channel
[02:51:38] <Kucharsky> where are U from?
[02:52:26] <archivist> England
[02:52:44] <Kucharsky> I'm from Poland, warsaw
[02:53:23] <Kucharsky> lot's of P. folks up there in your country I guess ;)
[02:54:20] <archivist> yup
[02:54:45] <Kucharsky> Few weeks ago I managed to buy used rexreoth linear systems with ac servos
[02:54:46] <Kucharsky> http://olx.pl/oferta/frezarka-stol-krzyzowy-CID619-IDcVng1.html#b30b2a990a
[02:55:00] <Kucharsky> so this is gonna be the base of my machine
[02:55:43] <Kucharsky> finally made big commitment to cnc project so I guess U'll be seeing me here quite often
[02:56:00] <archivist> with servos it is better to go with a mesa card
[02:56:14] <Kucharsky> You're right
[02:56:38] <Kucharsky> but beyond my reach right now
[02:57:15] <Kucharsky> so plan to go easy and simple for now, ant when I learn sth i'll play with servos and more expensive hardware
[02:57:35] <Kucharsky> and (not ant _) ;)
[03:05:50] <enleth> Kucharsky: I'm converting a Bridgeport to linuxcnc right now in Warsaw, drop me a line if you'd like to visit the place
[03:12:44] <Kucharsky> enleth: dropped you priv message
[04:23:18] <Kucharsky> Did linuxcnc moved from ubuntu to debinan based distro in 2.7.x release?
[04:37:53] <XXCoder> think so?
[05:01:35] <maxcnc> norning from Germany
[05:01:45] <XXCoder> hey from usa
[05:02:52] <maxcnc> im wonce more in trouble with the mesa as the PC dident startet again
[05:06:45] <maxcnc> Xxcoder do you got a mesa system
[05:06:53] <XXCoder> nope
[05:06:56] <XXCoder> no reason to.
[05:07:03] <maxcnc> ;-)
[05:10:39] <malcom2073> Morning
[05:10:44] <maxcnc> pcw is not up this tome as he is in far west of me
[05:11:03] <maxcnc> someone else here with a 5i25
[05:43:05] <hiroshima5> does anyone know how to call halrun from a python script
[05:43:26] <hiroshima5> ???
[05:47:44] <Deejay> moin
[06:28:08] <Frank__> guys how do i know if my tap tool is hand or machine type?
[06:28:42] <Sync> if it is spiral fluted it is a machine tap
[06:31:35] <Frank__> only type? cuz im reading a pdf where it is messing up my mind haha
[06:31:41] <Frank__> http://www.threadtools.com/Files/Taps%20technical%20info.pdf
[06:33:18] <Frank__> i want to tap with power drill
[06:37:01] <archivist> is the flute a spiral, or is the cutting edge a spiral/angle
[06:37:37] <archivist> a straight flute is generally a hand tap
[06:39:26] <archivist> I am ignoring thread forming taps, these do not cut
[06:41:13] <Frank__> the cutting edge looks straight
[06:41:29] <archivist> then hand tap as your pdf shows
[06:41:29] <Frank__> and i have another one which has a slith bow
[06:41:44] <Frank__> slight
[06:41:54] <Frank__> this one
[06:41:55] <Frank__> http://www.erbus.com.ar/index.php/retusin/machos/machos-hss/item/201-machos-hss
[06:42:16] <archivist> hand
[06:42:39] <Frank__> this one is the machine?
[06:42:39] <Frank__> http://www.uranga.com/MACHOS_HSS/Metrica_GruesaM/iso529_canal_recto_pe_mrp.pdf
[06:43:51] <archivist> that is spiral point, a machine tap, the chips go forward into the hole
[06:44:34] <Frank__> i see
[06:44:56] <Frank__> hope they have varaiety in my local shop
[06:45:23] <archivist> spiral flute pulls the chips back outside but is less strong (for blind holes)
[06:45:53] <Frank__> my holes are all open
[06:46:30] <Frank__> hiwin uses coarse thread right?
[06:46:41] <Frank__> or no idea?
[06:46:57] <archivist> whatever the docs say
[06:47:10] <ReadError> Frank__ threads in the blocks?
[06:47:40] <Frank__> yes
[06:47:49] <Frank__> they just say m6-m8
[06:47:52] <Frank__> m8x8
[06:47:58] <Frank__> 8mm deep?
[06:49:07] <Frank__> booy i cant decide between tapping or nuts
[06:50:14] <ReadError> hmm mine are m6 but I dont have any m6 screws to test
[06:50:31] <ReadError> I imagine its the regular pitch
[06:50:51] <Frank__> regular means coarse right?
[06:51:05] <Frank__> np i cant test them
[06:51:27] <Frank__> thanks guys
[06:51:44] <Frank__> for the rails it depends on the bolts i buy right?=
[06:51:51] <jthornton> yuck it'
[06:51:53] <Frank__> coarse better for tapping?
[06:51:56] <jthornton> s all white outside
[06:53:08] <ReadError> Frank__ I used m5 screws on that
[06:53:16] <ReadError> and m5 tslot nuts
[06:53:53] <Frank__> sorry for spaming with stupid questions, but the allen screws that go to the rail, should be hardened? or its the same thing?
[06:54:11] <Frank__> no problems with breaking the tap?
[06:54:41] <ReadError> hmm you shouldnt need to thread the rail
[06:54:50] <ReadError> just the material you attach it to
[06:55:13] <Frank__> not the rail the steel structure threads
[06:55:30] <Frank__> i guess regular ones do the job
[06:55:38] <Frank__> they dont specify anything on the pdf
[06:56:13] <ReadError> sorry i guess im confused :(
[06:57:00] <Frank__> haha its fine, thanks anyway sometimes i get a little too much into details that dont really matter i guess
[06:57:08] <Frank__> (read first machine ever)
[07:05:01] * Loetmichel is really getting gray these days... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16122&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[07:17:22] <Frank__> ok i know im really annoying but can i make one little question? pdf hiwin 25mm rail says bolts of m6x20 with that lenght of the bolt only 7mm would be in the actual thread of the structure, is that ok? or i should order something like m6x25?
[07:17:27] <Frank__> thanks
[07:18:11] <ReadError> i have the 'wide' ones
[07:18:48] <ReadError> but i imagine you need to size the screws for the material you are attaching + depth you can screw in
[07:19:23] <Frank__> its mild steel i have about 3/4inch of material to drill and tap if i want
[07:19:24] <archivist> the main strength of a screw is in about the first n turns depending on diameter etc
[07:19:45] <Frank__> i should buy a spiral tap and make a blind hole right?
[07:19:48] <Frank__> much less hassle
[07:20:01] <Frank__> than drilling about 15mm of steel times 100
[07:20:31] <archivist> drill through and no possibility of problems
[07:20:38] <Frank__> besides i read that the actual cutting availability of the tap is 1.5xdiamter
[07:20:45] <Frank__> ok
[07:21:01] <Frank__> and tap half or a little more right?
[07:21:18] <Frank__> :D
[07:21:19] <Frank__> sry
[07:21:25] <archivist> all the way and the screw will not bind
[07:23:05] <Frank__> As always. Thanks!
[07:23:06] <ReadError> Frank__ why tap the 3/4 steel if you have threads in the block?
[07:23:27] <ReadError> seems like it would be a lot easier/faster to just drill the steel
[07:23:36] <Frank__> which block? i have hiwin linear guides that need to be bolted down to structure
[07:23:51] <ReadError> the hiwin block
[07:23:54] <Frank__> ohhh
[07:24:00] <Frank__> now im talking about the rail :D
[07:24:12] <archivist> ReadError, has had an error in reading :)
[07:24:42] <Frank__> hahah its my fault, at this point everyone just wants me to shut up!!
[07:24:48] <Frank__> haha
[07:24:54] <ReadError> hmm my rail came w/ holes drilled
[07:24:58] <archivist> measure three times drill once
[07:25:20] <archivist> he is drilling the steel the rail is being fixed too
[07:25:22] <Frank__> yes teh rails, but the surface to which your mounting them im drilling
[07:26:00] <ReadError> ahhh
[07:26:07] <Frank__> i almost make a superbowl size ups, i was going to drill m8 holes and the rails wants m6
[07:26:39] <Frank__> 5mm hole for tapping m6 coarse right? ill check np
[07:30:31] <Frank__> boy now that i think of it, i send it to machine and in the plans i specified 6.8mm holes for the m8 rails and they are m6!!!!! luckily they didnt drilled anything cuz they are lazy. that bullet passed reaaaaally closeeee
[08:35:42] <maxcnc> Hi
[08:36:37] <maxcnc> pcw_home: is there a issue on 5V v 3,3v pci with the 5i25 can i do somthing on this in bios ?
[08:42:05] <maxcnc> hiroshima5: did you read that about python hal http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/common/python-interface.html
[08:46:52] <enleth> my Mesa order finally passed the customs
[08:47:06] <enleth> I hate those morons
[08:52:54] <maxcnc> enleth: then the work starts
[08:53:10] <enleth> I still have to receive it
[08:53:27] <maxcnc> with a dauther or stand alone
[08:53:38] <enleth> 6i25+7i77
[08:53:47] <maxcnc> hard stuff
[08:54:07] <enleth> suits the machine
[08:54:11] <maxcnc> im always fighting on 5i25 and 7i76
[08:54:20] <maxcnc> from mashine to mashine
[08:54:42] <enleth> I think it's going to stay with the iron
[08:56:14] <maxcnc> pcw im going to try this https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/39-pncconf/27699-pc-won-t-boot-with-5i25-in-1-of-2-avail-pci-slots?limitstart=0
[08:56:31] <maxcnc> it has the same issue maybe the 15W use is the problem
[08:58:25] <maxcnc> i will clean all pci as well
[08:59:48] <maxcnc> im off til later
[09:18:30] <pcw_home> There just seem to be some MBs that dont like the 5I25
[09:18:31] <pcw_home> (but its much less than 1% of MBs and they seem to be hard to get so I haven't been able to repeat the problem here)
[10:32:25] <Erant> pcw_home: I seem to have a problem with my drives that prevent me from hooking up the RS232 and the 5I25 + 7I78 at the same time. The drives just straight up refuse to power on.
[10:32:55] <Erant> It's not anything I'm particularly worried about becuse I only need the RS232 for programming, but I'm curious as to why that would happen.
[10:33:12] <Erant> The RS232 is hooked up to the same PC as the the 5i25.
[10:33:56] <Erant> My theory was differing ground potentials, but that seems... unlikely.
[10:35:17] <CaptHindsight> Erant: what "drives"? Hard drives? SSD or mechanical? And what exactly happens or doesn't happen?
[10:36:30] <CaptHindsight> how is the RS232 port attached to the mainboard? Integrated, PCI, PCIe etc?
[10:36:31] <Erant> My servo drives.
[10:36:39] <Erant> Integrated onto mobo.
[10:37:27] <CaptHindsight> you have to post a wiring diagram and pictures of the system for us to start analyzing
[10:38:13] <CaptHindsight> JT started a thread about a wiring issue and it when one for weeks, it might still be going :)
[10:38:21] <CaptHindsight> one/on
[10:38:32] <pcw_home> maybe the drives have a problem if the RS-232 and step/dir grounds are commoned
[10:39:30] <Erant> Yeah, I will. It's a fairly dead-simple diagram though. STEP/DIR/GND are wired to the 7i78, step and dir are diff pair, two conductors for GND. RS232 is, well, RS232. :)
[10:40:15] <Erant> Yeah, maybe. It's not a huge concern, the only thing I'm worried about is if the problem re-occurs with RS485.
[10:40:24] <Erant> Which is what they use for error reporting.
[10:40:58] <Erant> I was just reminded of the problem when you mentioned some MBs don't like the 5i25.
[10:42:00] <Erant> Need to hook up my spindle first anyway.
[10:42:03] <pcw_home> thats pretty rare though (maybe 5 MBs total)
[10:42:29] <Erant> Which probably means they're not compliant with the PCI spec.
[10:42:33] <pcw_home> (and we have ~5K 5I25s sold)
[10:43:01] <pcw_home> sometimes a BIOS upgrade fixes it
[10:43:12] <Erant> Definitely non-compliance.
[10:43:15] <CaptHindsight> more likely that those MB's are not compliant
[10:43:27] <CaptHindsight> or poorly designed
[10:44:15] <Erant> Yah.
[10:44:26] <Erant> What's the usual interface for a spindle btw?
[10:44:35] <CaptHindsight> designing motherboards is not for the faint of heart, yet most are made by the 1000 monkeys approach
[10:44:50] <pcw_home> hard to tell since most are old enough and hard to get that I cannot reproduce it here
[10:44:50] <CaptHindsight> they keep revising until it passes enough tests
[10:45:03] <CaptHindsight> vs just having a few people do it right
[10:45:03] <Erant> They take the reference design, mostly.
[10:45:26] <CaptHindsight> they take 1000 noobs and make a board
[10:45:42] <CaptHindsight> vs 1-2 old/experienced people
[10:46:28] <Erant> I have a brushless spindle with a driver board that interfaces to a pot and drives a little LCD. I was going to go reverse engineer it this week and see where to hook in.
[10:46:49] <Erant> Am I looking for encoder/HAL output plus -10/+10v inputs?
[12:08:05] <andypugh> I was idly musing about the gearbox on my lathe today, and it occurred to me that it’s not the best design it coule be.
[12:08:08] <andypugh> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U4TvtLOSLFo/VpgtjpfE9WI/AAAAAAAAGNM/puSPkIebEaQ/s1600/IMG_2302.jpg
[12:09:08] <andypugh> There are two clutches, one for each of the two speeds, and a brake on the back.
[12:09:37] <cradek> the clutches together could brake
[12:09:56] <andypugh> If they had put the 1:1 on the input side and the 6:1 on the output then the low-speed clutch would only see input torque. As it is, it sees output (6x) torque.
[12:10:21] <cradek> hmm!
[12:11:02] <andypugh> You agree?
[12:12:06] * cradek squints
[12:12:20] <archivist> er not at the moment
[12:14:29] <andypugh> Also, sets of 105/63 gears would have been more compact and had a hunting tooth.
[12:15:14] <archivist> in is bottom right?
[12:15:18] <andypugh> Yes
[12:15:54] <archivist> 1:1 left to right top gear pair?
[12:16:24] <andypugh> If the 144 gear was behind the output pulley, and the 24 was on the left of it, with the 84:84 on the inpout side?
[12:16:57] <andypugh> 1:1 is straight-through, right clutch engaged.
[12:17:19] <andypugh> 6:1 is left then right, left clutch engaged.
[12:17:45] <archivist> it is a bit odd, brake should be upper right too
[12:19:15] <andypugh> Ah well, it is what it is, and it worked for 45 years so far :-)
[12:19:50] <archivist> I was about to say...methinks someone is going to do some more pattern aking
[12:20:20] <andypugh> Not this time, though I thought about pattern-making for the variator-replacement mounting bracket
[12:20:54] <archivist> it is looking clean for its age in the box
[12:21:58] <andypugh> The variator was pretty nice inside too, compared to others on t’intenet. Almopst entirley unsullied by oil was part of it, though.
[12:23:19] <archivist> I need to find a vfd that can handle a two speed motor to get the schaublin lathe running, or change the motor
[12:23:53] <andypugh> As long as you turn off the drive before switching speeds it should look just like a normal motor?
[12:24:26] <archivist> normal 440 motor rather than a 220 delta
[12:25:15] <archivist> a real inverter needed rather than plain vfd
[12:25:16] <andypugh> Ah, right, so you need a 440V VFD?
[12:25:55] <andypugh> One option is to cobble together some rectifiers and big second-hand caps and make a Delon doubler, and feed the VFD on DC.
[12:26:07] <andypugh> (Many have an ibout fore a shared DC bus)
[12:26:08] <archivist> I did try one of the vfd's on it, slow and vfd faulted
[12:26:42] <andypugh> (Err, an input for a shared DC bus)
[12:27:13] <CaptHindsight> 440V 400Hz 3 phase motor?
[12:27:41] <archivist> 440v 50hz
[12:27:46] <CaptHindsight> ah
[12:29:20] <Loetmichel> just wanted to say "which plane/ship did you scavenge?"
[12:29:50] <CaptHindsight> has anyone had problems with their Chinese 1.5-2.2kw spindle water leaking from the spindle body?
[12:30:19] <ssi> wat
[12:30:28] <CaptHindsight> water leaking / leaking <---> water
[12:31:00] <CaptHindsight> wondering if the water cooled spindles leak at the body
[12:31:34] <andypugh> Do ypou have a leaky one, or is this just a worry?
[12:33:57] <CaptHindsight> I haven't ordered any yet. Wonder what the experience has been with others who might have.
[12:34:14] <CaptHindsight> not sure how crappy they are
[12:34:45] <CaptHindsight> I always derate
[12:35:26] <CaptHindsight> but you really can't work around poorly made and leaky
[12:36:22] <CaptHindsight> I'm just spinning stuff with no cutting forces
[12:41:12] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[12:42:30] <maxcnc> pcw_home: thanks for the info
[12:42:59] <maxcnc> i woudt like to get my coustomer a other mothereboard what woudt you request for a cheep 5i25 use
[12:43:50] <ReadError> maxcnc heard good about the j1900
[12:44:17] <JT-Shop> I just ordered a j1900 to replace the on on the bp
[12:44:20] <pcw_home> j1800, J1900 are good for fanless
[12:44:41] <ReadError> newegg had/has some j1800's on sale for 25$ after rebate
[12:44:54] <ReadError> (if you are in the USA anyways)
[12:45:08] <maxcnc> im in germany
[12:45:19] <maxcnc> its a ATX case
[12:46:23] <JT-Shop> I wonder if my MB could be part of the BP problem, it is a bit flaky and doesn't always boot up
[12:46:59] <ReadError> I need to completely rebuild my linuxcnc box in the basement
[12:47:15] <ReadError> get it over to an SSD, still running 2.5.0 too heh
[12:47:22] <pcw_home> for fast I really like the AsRock H97M Pro4 +G32XX CPU
[12:48:06] <maxcnc> 1x PCIe 2.0 does this fit the 5i25
[12:48:27] <pcw_home> 6I25 needed for PCIE
[12:48:33] <maxcnc> as you recomendet the J1900 mITX
[12:48:49] <maxcnc> thats why i said the 5i25 is in stock and coustem owned
[12:49:15] <pcw_home> If you dont need mini-itx its easier to find J1800/1900s with PCI
[12:49:22] <maxcnc> its a miss on powrup at the fujitsu
[12:50:12] <gregcnc> interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lgrLu0EN8
[12:52:18] <maxcnc> i will go for the j1800
[12:53:32] <ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135393
[12:53:40] <ReadError> i grabbed that when ordering the j1900
[12:53:49] <ReadError> for 25$ after the rebate doesnt hurt to have a spare
[12:54:16] <ReadError> my d525 is still kicking along though
[12:56:32] <maxcnc> pcw_home: i find boards J1800 from asus biostar and Msi are talking on asus ?
[12:58:54] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132104
[12:58:56] <pcw_home> is one with PCI and mini-ITX size
[12:59:53] <pcw_home> the intel 3xxx CPUS are replacing the J1800/1900s but not sure they are supported by the normal kernels shipped with linuxcnc
[13:01:58] <maxcnc> the Asus J1800 is suported
[13:02:03] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128698
[13:02:05] <pcw_home> another Mini-itx sized MB with PCI
[13:02:08] <maxcnc> so i will stay with it
[13:02:19] <pcw_home> yes j1800,1900 are supported
[13:02:34] <maxcnc> 2.5 also
[13:04:49] <pcw_home> lucid (10.04) based linuxcnc will not work with J1800,1900s
[13:05:10] <pcw_home> linuxcnc version doesn't matter, kernel does
[13:05:35] <pcw_home> (lucid will boot but no USB)
[13:07:33] <JT-Shop> I ordered one of those yesterday
[13:08:29] <JT-Shop> I just noticed the memory is laptop type... I think I have a pair of them from a dead mb
[13:10:51] <maxcnc> so i cand use it
[13:11:11] <maxcnc> a board with 10.04 and pci atx
[13:11:37] <maxcnc> i got no more IBM a50s all on mashines
[13:11:58] <maxcnc> they got 5V pci only and run the 5i25 perfect
[13:12:17] <maxcnc> i also got araound 50 fujitsu P5915
[13:12:46] <maxcnc> noone is able to boot with the 5i25 on the first attempt
[13:13:03] <maxcnc> you need daylie to remove the 5i25
[13:13:11] <maxcnc> and replug it
[13:13:19] <maxcnc> then it runs the hole day
[13:13:26] <maxcnc> whole ;-)
[13:13:58] <maxcnc> the d525Mw got no sata on it
[13:14:57] <maxcnc> oh i see there are sata on it no IDE i thought
[13:17:00] <maxcnc> ReadError: Can you confirm that it has sata ports
[13:24:39] <FloppyDisk> http://detail.1688.com/offer/1156055837.html M - sata1, N - sata0 (need to scroll down a bit...)
[13:25:26] <FloppyDisk> my harddrive connects via sata cables.
[13:27:26] <maxcnc> Thanks
[13:27:45] <FloppyDisk> sorry about the chinese, was the first link I could find, serves it purpose...
[13:33:36] <maxcnc> i8m off
[13:34:49] <thesaint>
[13:40:59] <andypugh> short on specs and details, but one of these in the garage would be nice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ozjI6PV6zA
[13:46:35] <Akex_> andypugh: do you have the price ?
[13:47:10] <andypugh> I doubt I could earn the price before retirement.
[13:48:13] <andypugh> But it could make really shiny Yodas
[13:48:24] <gregcnc> probably approaches 1MUSD
[13:59:54] <Akex_> Ah just 100years for buy it ;)
[14:01:35] <gregcnc> andypugh, what's the ~Ø of the ball variator in the Holbrook?
[14:06:15] <CaptHindsight> anything 3D Systems is way overpriced and doesn't work as promised
[14:06:41] <CaptHindsight> the recently tossed out their CEO as well for being a lying pile of duche
[14:07:15] <JT-Shop> after owning the DuoMite bender I just figured out how to make centered hooks with it... I finally read the instructions lol
[14:11:20] <_methods> is it any good?
[14:11:57] <_methods> you have the 5000?
[14:12:42] <JT-Shop> I think so all the options and parts start with a 5
[14:12:50] <JT-Shop> yea it is pretty good
[14:13:09] <JT-Shop> it's a 50000
[14:13:16] <_methods> i like that
[14:13:23] <_methods> nice and small
[14:14:45] <_methods> might have to copy that
[14:14:50] <_methods> i need a little bender like that
[14:16:34] <_methods> i see some versions with a thumb wheel and some with a destaco
[14:16:52] <JT-Shop> the key is the jaw is cut back to make the centered hook
[14:16:59] <_methods> does the thumb wheel tigten on the work piece?
[14:17:13] <JT-Shop> the big wheel at the back
[14:17:18] <_methods> yeah
[14:17:42] <_methods> i can't find many good pictures of it's design online
[14:19:15] <_methods> i've lookin for good prints on like a diacro knockoff for awhile
[14:22:13] <CaptHindsight> I've been tempted to build a Linuxcnc controlled wire bender, but I'd only need it up a few times a year
[14:22:14] <_methods> think i'm going to do this one though
[14:22:17] <_methods> http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/13/newsletter1306.pdf#page=5
[14:24:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Buffalo-Tools-Space-Saver-Metal-Bender/42944221 heh
[14:24:44] <_methods> doesn't harbor fright sell one like that
[14:25:12] <_methods> harbor fright = walmart????????
[14:25:20] <CaptHindsight> edge roller http://www.walmart.com/ip/40891472?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227028439716&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=61178395929&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=96567857769&veh=sem
[14:25:43] <CaptHindsight> looks like Walmart.com is starting to just carry everything
[14:27:11] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if in 10 years all you'll be able to do is search at google, amazon or walmart.com
[14:27:22] <_methods> lol
[14:27:25] <_methods> just like it is now?
[14:28:07] <_methods> once trump/palin take office the possibilities are endless
[14:28:16] <SpeedEvil> That is not 'carried' by walmart. It's a third party
[14:28:19] <CaptHindsight> GooAmaMart
[14:28:37] <CaptHindsight> yeah, lots of 3rd parties on walmart.com now
[14:28:49] <CaptHindsight> like newegg and others
[14:28:51] <_methods> gotta compete with amazon
[14:29:17] <CaptHindsight> even Amazon has links to non amazon sales
[14:29:50] <CaptHindsight> get yer Brawndo at buyshit.com
[14:30:05] <_methods> hehe
[14:30:38] <CaptHindsight> even ebay has non ebay ads on the bottom of the pages
[14:34:07] <aventtini6> hello guys
[14:35:08] <_methods> i search for diy radial bender and i get nothing but pinterest links..............
[14:35:24] <_methods> i had no idea welders/fabricators were so active on pinterest
[14:35:35] <_methods> more reasons to hate 'ders
[14:36:53] <malcom2073> ugh pinterest
[14:36:58] <_methods> yes
[14:37:04] <malcom2073> Its like the instructables of the crafting world
[14:37:07] <_methods> the illegitimate child of instructables
[14:37:11] <malcom2073> Haha
[14:37:48] <_methods> that one time instructables too much ghb and got raped at a frat party
[14:38:11] <malcom2073> I use pinterest like I use instructables: To get a basic idea before I look up how to *Actually* do things
[14:38:29] <_methods> i can't even look at pinterest anymore some crazy window pops up
[14:38:33] <_methods> and blocks half the page
[14:38:40] <malcom2073> Yeah, I think they made it so you have to join now
[14:38:45] <malcom2073> so I just use google to browse the images heh
[14:38:48] <_methods> like they want me to join or something insane like htat
[14:38:58] <_methods> yeah that's what i'm doing
[14:39:06] <malcom2073> You can usually find the origonal content elsewhere anyway since none of it is origonal
[14:39:10] <CaptHindsight> pin trest or pint rest?
[14:40:29] <JT-Shop> _methods: looks like a fun project to build
[14:40:34] <_methods> yeah
[14:40:34] <CaptHindsight> using twitter would make you a twit sending twits, not tweets, it's not fing tweeter it's twitter
[14:40:42] <JT-Shop> just depends on what your making
[14:41:01] <JT-Shop> the DuoMite is faster I'd bet
[14:41:07] <_methods> it had a lot of nice work in it
[14:41:15] <_methods> big hex
[14:41:16] <JT-Shop> but can't do all of what the other one can
[14:41:17] <_methods> lots of holes
[14:41:25] <_methods> yeah it's pretty simple one
[14:41:29] <_methods> basially all i need
[14:41:47] <_methods> i might redesign it with some bearings instead of the track though
[14:42:02] <_methods> probably won't pull smooth in with set screws in that race
[14:42:07] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I think they are breaking all those sites in way that force you through some "desired" way to view or search them
[14:42:59] <_methods> i think there was a nice set of prints out ther for another larger bender i was lookin at before
[14:43:06] <_methods> on some diy motorcycle page or something
[14:43:06] <bobo__> aventtini6 have you gotten the Maho fixed ?
[14:43:51] <_methods> http://www.chopperhandbook.com/bender.htm
[14:43:54] <_methods> that one
[14:44:12] <bobo__> aventtini6 have you gotten the Maho fixed ?
[14:45:09] <bobo__> aventtini6
[14:46:33] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://bugmenot.com/view/pintrest.com
[14:46:49] <_methods> oh shit
[14:46:49] <_methods> nice
[14:46:51] <_methods> thx
[14:47:26] <_methods> oh i guess i could just login with a mailinator setup
[14:47:40] <CaptHindsight> yeah, what those sites are for
[14:47:53] <_methods> i just get so mad i close the page
[14:48:02] <_methods> logical thinking was disable
[14:49:44] <_methods> ah apparently the correct search term to avoid pinterest pages is to use the actual name for what your looking for
[14:49:57] <_methods> using diy scroll bender got more real results
[14:50:22] <_methods> i guess searching for metally roundy bendy thingy wasn't a good idea
[14:52:13] <_methods> https://gordsgarage.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/driven-around-the-bend/
[14:52:16] <_methods> interesting design
[14:53:09] <_methods> i like his diy trammel
[14:53:11] <_methods> https://gordsgarage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/scroll-base-plate.jpg
[14:55:38] <CaptHindsight> wimp, I would have cut it off the end of a round :)
[14:57:40] <_methods> heheh
[15:01:18] <CaptHindsight> "I'm a good Chinese business person if you haven't noticed how I cheated you."
[15:01:45] <_methods> bernie madoff?
[15:02:00] <CaptHindsight> what westerners don't understand
[15:02:27] <CaptHindsight> they aren't following their philosophy, not what we might in the west
[15:02:30] <_methods> hell we do the same stuff
[15:03:12] <CaptHindsight> just that we call it being dishonest where they don't have nay negative connotation to it
[15:05:09] <CaptHindsight> I asked a few vendors to send the invoice with DHL or Fedx shipping, after 3 tries they are out
[15:05:49] <CaptHindsight> I asked them all if they can get 100 pcs vs the initial 10 I need right now. Not one gave a straight answer.
[15:08:01] <CaptHindsight> "you test our quality then order more" is not "yes or no, we can get you 100 more pieces"
[15:08:41] <gregcnc> should be understood as "we sell junk, let's see if you notice"
[15:08:56] <CaptHindsight> you ask question, we send you bowling score
[15:09:12] <CaptHindsight> no matter what question
[15:09:40] <gregcnc> learning mandarin and cantonese would help
[15:09:48] <CaptHindsight> actually they don't see it as junk
[15:10:08] <CaptHindsight> doesn't matter
[15:10:23] <gregcnc> they don't actually care as long as it's good enough to get USD into China
[15:10:32] <CaptHindsight> even if they speak fluent English
[15:11:15] <CaptHindsight> I used to ask potential partners 4-5 questions in one email and get an answer to maybe one
[15:11:49] <CaptHindsight> and usually it was an answer to what they thought I was trying to "get at" vs what I actually asked
[15:12:17] <gregcnc> I think part of the problem is that some "companies" aren't really. they are just reps of some sort
[15:13:27] <CaptHindsight> and part of the culture and philosophy
[15:13:30] <gregcnc> so many places trying to sell the same product, you could start a new company everyday over there.
[15:13:46] <CaptHindsight> if they have lived at all in the west they get it
[15:14:25] <CaptHindsight> I cam across the same seller on ebay, amazon and aliexpress earlier today
[15:14:38] <gregcnc> seen that
[15:14:39] <CaptHindsight> similar pricing, way different delivery times
[15:14:58] <CaptHindsight> no direct contact info
[15:15:19] <CaptHindsight> sometimes you can search for their own website
[15:15:40] <gregcnc> yeah
[15:16:10] <gregcnc> how are you paying for stuff these days? is it still send a wire and hope?
[15:16:15] <CaptHindsight> ali-whatever blocks direct access like ebay and also intercepts your requests and sends them to whoever must pay them extra to get them
[15:16:37] <CaptHindsight> so basically useless
[15:17:23] <gregcnc> that's why I think they are represented by an agent
[15:17:26] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the honest vendors will take <100% with the balance after delivery
[15:17:42] <CaptHindsight> say 50% down and 50% after delivery
[15:17:45] <malcom2073> That's kinda why I like aliexpress, it is escrowed
[15:17:55] <CaptHindsight> they ASK for TT of 100%
[15:18:20] <CaptHindsight> the problem with aliexpres is that they always favor the vendor if there is a problem
[15:19:03] <CaptHindsight> I usually have someone in China order and pay them
[15:19:10] <CaptHindsight> whole different story then
[15:19:40] <gregcnc> yeah
[15:19:48] <CaptHindsight> but if I ask myself I can weed out the scammers pretty easily
[15:20:02] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Is that anecdotal, or is that documented somewhere?
[15:20:09] <CaptHindsight> they all want 100% up front and won't give you straight answers
[15:20:26] <malcom2073> All my experience thus far with disputes has been great, but personal experience is no subsitute for statistics
[15:20:27] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: what exactly
[15:20:34] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Aliexpress favoring the vendor
[15:21:00] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: I don't use them. What I've heard
[15:21:11] <CaptHindsight> maybe they have gotten better
[15:21:37] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: have you had many disputes?
[15:22:59] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: I've had a couple, maybe 4 in the past few years? Though it's all been cut and dry stuff, like misisng pieces, or items not being as advertized... but in all cases, aliexpress hasn't released funds to the vendor until we both agreed the dispute was setlled
[15:25:26] <CaptHindsight> today I'm finding motors and drives by Automation Technology for ~1/2 price out of vendors in Los Angeles
[15:25:48] <CaptHindsight> well same pictures and specs
[16:31:44] <Deejay> gn8
[16:58:47] <andypugh> gregcnc: Quite big.
[16:59:04] <andypugh> 3.5 - 4in?
[16:59:38] <andypugh> I am embarassed to say that that edge-bender tool is a tool that I don’t know the use of.
[17:00:05] <gregcnc> bigger than it looks even
[17:05:23] <andypugh> Quite big, very expensive, and retired: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6242003069535317714
[17:09:53] <FloppyDisk> andypugh - impressive! Thanks for sharing.
[17:11:07] <CaptHindsight> he's got lots of stuff there, big castings, gears, balls... https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#
[17:13:39] <_methods> the edge bender?
[17:13:50] <andypugh> _methods: Aye
[17:13:54] <_methods> the scroll bender?
[17:15:39] <ssi> [A[A
[17:19:39] <andypugh> FWIW, this is the Variator Variating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uGYNYR-6SA
[17:20:09] <_methods> weebly wobbling
[17:20:23] <_methods> timey wimeying
[17:21:00] <FloppyDisk> Cool - you had described it in your writeup and I didn't get the adjustment part of it. Now I see:-)
[17:22:17] <_methods> sounds good
[17:24:14] <Sync> oh haha andypugh that's a nice variator
[17:24:28] <FloppyDisk> I'm no linux guy, but I sure love WinSCP (ssh)...
[17:28:34] * JT-Shop wonders if I need to move the 7i77 out of the drive cabinet?
[17:29:33] <andypugh> I am planning to mive my drive out of the controls cabinet. I freed up a load of space just by the motor by taking away the Variagator.
[17:30:10] <JT-Shop> is that like an old upside down alligator?
[17:30:34] <andypugh> It’s a multi-speed unit with foliage in two different colours.
[17:30:57] <FloppyDisk5_25> I do not want to move anything out of anything:-( 2.6 seems to work well enough, maybe I can filter, cable some...
[17:31:10] <JT-Shop> when I ran the nail shop we had Danish machines with disk variators
[17:32:32] <JT-Shop> I'm trying to sort out how to get the probe wire into the cabinet with a plug jack arraignment
[17:33:15] <JT-Shop> can't figure out the key word for the jack that has the contacts that short it out when the plug is removed
[17:33:38] <Tom_itx> din plug
[17:33:45] <XXCoder> lol. just got email from myself. 10 years ago. gonna love futureme.org
[17:33:47] <Tom_itx> oh
[17:33:57] <Tom_itx> i dunno about that
[17:34:02] <Tom_itx> why do you want em shorted?
[17:34:44] <Tom_itx> you could make a dummy plug with a wire between the pins too. that would also keep the connector cleaner
[17:34:57] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: do they option of sending a reply to yourself 10 years ago?
[17:35:05] <XXCoder> nah
[17:35:10] <XXCoder> too bad LOL
[17:35:34] <CaptHindsight> dump yahoo stock
[17:35:49] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: before <bad day>
[17:35:53] <CaptHindsight> people are still stupid
[17:36:08] <JT-Shop> if the probe circuit is open then it thinks the prob is tripped
[17:36:13] <_methods> i finally splurged on a real scribe, what a treat marking stuff now
[17:36:17] <XXCoder> me? "Buy Apple stock, sell before (recent date where stock crashed)
[17:36:25] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you can't reverse the logic?
[17:36:29] <_methods> i've always just used that little scribe from whatever sq was layin around
[17:36:37] <Tom_itx> err nevermind...
[17:36:55] <Tom_itx> i'd make a dummy plug for it
[17:37:04] <Tom_itx> and use a din plug
[17:37:10] <JT-Shop> yea that is an option
[17:37:18] <JT-Shop> din plug?
[17:37:32] <Tom_itx> http://www.hspcon.com/images/b/bmp-8003-metal-din-assembly-plug.jpg
[17:37:44] <Tom_itx> that's what i put on mine
[17:37:51] <Tom_itx> only 2 pin
[17:37:56] <CaptHindsight> well 10 years, just buy a derivative before 2008
[17:38:12] <CaptHindsight> bet on the market crash
[17:38:24] <JT-Shop> is the shield carried through the case on the din plug?
[17:38:37] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:38:50] <Tom_itx> on those anyway
[17:39:12] <XXCoder> dangers of sign language http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/9/9/5/234995_slide.jpg
[17:39:20] <Tom_itx> my local guy carries them
[17:39:28] <Tom_itx> in 2 to 8 connector iirc
[17:39:28] * _methods gets real scribe to make marking easier then cuts on the wrong side of the scribe line
[17:39:48] <_methods> priceless
[17:40:27] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, the mating part: http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/Small/70214556.jpg
[17:42:53] <FloppyDisk5_25> might consider ethernet connectors http://www.l-com.com/ethernet-cat6a-rj45-coupler-shielded-8x8-panel-mount-style
[17:43:19] <FloppyDisk5_25> Cabling is certainly available, crimpers, and shielded/twisted options.
[17:43:39] <JT-Shop> I have all the tools for rj45 plugs
[17:43:49] <Tom_itx> use em then
[17:44:02] <Tom_itx> those are B-8003 series din connectors
[17:44:33] <JT-Shop> looking for something a bit more chip resistant
[17:45:02] <JT-Shop> can you even get a 2 pole din plug?
[17:45:38] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control7.jpg
[17:45:49] <Tom_itx> they'er pretty resistant i think
[17:45:54] <Tom_itx> yes i can get em locally
[17:46:16] <JT-Shop> nice cabinet
[17:46:23] <Tom_itx> i probably have a pair in the drawer here
[17:47:49] <Tom_itx> i've got several 4 cond i could send you one
[17:47:58] <Tom_itx> just don't use the other pair
[17:48:11] <Tom_itx> they're the same case size
[17:48:24] <JT-Shop> talked me into it
[17:48:48] <Tom_itx> gotta feed
[17:48:52] <JT-Shop> k
[17:49:02] <Tom_itx> send me your addy and i'll send ya one
[17:49:31] <Tom_itx> you'll probably need 2 plugs if you're gona make a dummy
[17:49:36] <JT-Shop> thanks
[17:49:44] <JT-Shop> yea I think so
[17:49:53] <Tom_itx> gimme a day or so
[17:50:08] <JT-Shop> no rush
[17:50:55] <Tom_itx> or if you really wanted 2 cond i can go grab a pair from him
[17:51:18] <JT-Shop> 4 is ok, I can double up for better contact
[17:51:33] <Tom_itx> those go to my steppers
[17:53:17] <JT-Shop> I got a hold to the builder and hes booked out till april
[17:53:27] <JT-Shop> well I have a bit of time to get the ground ready
[17:53:44] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I think the key-word is “Switching jack”
[17:53:46] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/jack-trs-connectors/0449332/
[17:53:48] <andypugh> As a example
[17:54:22] <JT-Shop> thanks
[17:54:52] <andypugh> However this has a lot more style: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/jack-trs-connectors/0448216/
[17:55:30] <JT-Shop> I'm going to use a din plug Tom has
[17:55:41] <Akex_> andypugh: hy i see your last video variator, do you have a link , for understand how it work please ? I dont know this systeme
[17:55:54] <Akex_> Just scooter variator ;)
[17:56:01] <andypugh> http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/holbrook6.html
[17:57:23] <Akex_> Thx andy
[18:08:48] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Can’t abide DIN plugs. Ghastly things :-)
[18:09:13] <XXCoder> use molex then ;)
[18:09:21] <XXCoder> or maybe mini molex lol
[18:10:19] <andypugh> I tend to use Lemo or Neutrik Speakon / PoweCON depending on the application.
[18:11:02] <JT-Shop> for a probe input
[18:11:33] <andypugh> My probe uses a 3.5mm jack
[18:13:31] <os1r1s> So upon wiring up a CNC controller, where do you think it would be best to put fuses. 1) AC input 2) Servo driver inputs? Anywhere else?
[18:13:47] <archivist> actually DIN was compared to other types by wireless world, it has a very high contact pressure, very good
[18:14:47] <andypugh> archivist: I just don’t like the nasty fragile bodies. I am sure the contact parts are fine.
[18:14:58] <archivist> the case is crap though
[18:30:58] <FloppyDisk5_25> os1r1s after the dc power supply.
[18:31:18] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk5_25 So on the inputs to the 3 servo drivers?
[18:32:46] <FloppyDisk5_25> not sure what you have going on for the 'inputs to the 3 servo drivers' and not sure how you plan to design your system.
[18:33:16] <os1r1s> I guess that should be DC input to the servo motors itself
[18:33:36] <os1r1s> Wait no, it goes thorugh the driver
[18:34:21] <os1r1s> So from the power supply you have DC going into 1 or more servo drivers. Do you need one fuse per driver or just a single fuse for all drivers?
[18:34:29] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk5_25 And thank you for your input
[18:35:05] <FloppyDisk5_25> I think it depends... The best way is one per drive, however I think on my mill, I don't have any??
[18:35:09] <FloppyDisk5_25> I'll ahve to check.
[18:35:43] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk5_25 I've not done a servo system, so this is a fun journey :)
[18:35:50] <FloppyDisk5_25> eh, I think I have one fuse, not sure...
[18:36:20] <FloppyDisk5_25> I have seen (or maybe made) machines w/ lot's of fusing and some w/ not-so much...
[18:36:40] <FloppyDisk5_25> I think a happy medium is best, enough to protect your equipment, but don't go crazy.
[18:37:23] <FloppyDisk5_25> And, you could spend hours just on fusing... And, then breakers vs fuses is whole other conversation...
[18:37:58] <FloppyDisk5_25> Again, if you have one before your servo's, that's probably okay.
[18:39:01] <FloppyDisk5_25> One advantage of multiple fuses is that you can disable parts of the circuit while testing.
[18:40:24] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk5_25 Breakers would be nice, but this is a smallish system. So fuses are probably plenty
[18:41:05] <FloppyDisk5_25> I think they'd be fine...
[18:41:09] <FloppyDisk5_25> fuses - that is.
[18:41:31] <os1r1s> Are you using a g0704 type system or something much larger?
[19:03:13] <FloppyDisk5_25> Oh - I have a supermax bridgeport type mill.
[19:27:36] <andypugh> Night all
[19:31:59] <thesaint>
[23:32:56] <nos__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3uGJGzUYCI
[23:38:52] <XXCoder> hey new old
[23:38:55] <XXCoder> stock
[23:39:34] <XXCoder> nos__: your video?
[23:42:34] <nos__> No
[23:42:43] <XXCoder> oh too bad. guy speaks very clearly
[23:42:57] <XXCoder> so clear that there is very small autocaption error
[23:54:09] <aventtini6> BOBO i have fix it
[23:54:17] <aventtini6> y01 y01
[23:54:26] <aventtini6> is a messure system error
[23:54:53] <aventtini6> the glass scale had some dirt on it
[23:55:17] <aventtini6> i use some alcohol and now machine works perfect