#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-01-19

[00:02:44] <trentster> yeah it would be great to have
[01:19:52] <beikeland> oh my; unrelated i stumbled over this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA47npOtApc basically a diy <$10 wifi enabled vnc viewer with 320x240 resolution.
[01:20:31] <beikeland> is there any vnc servers suited for linux that allows to serve up only a portion of the screen?
[01:24:46] <SpeedEvil> for X, you can do virtual viewport too
[01:25:14] <SpeedEvil> neat
[01:44:48] <FloppyDisk> trentster: https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[01:45:01] <FloppyDisk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5SaP7uX6vg
[01:45:20] <FloppyDisk> Oddly, I just saw a jpg of it today from the irc earlier...
[01:46:16] <FloppyDisk> whoops, something else, that was for a probe here: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe
[01:46:17] <FloppyDisk> not it...
[02:03:58] <beikeland> http://superuser.com/a/288032 seems to suggest you can crop and scale a portion of the screen to render as a x11vnc server.
[02:04:35] <beikeland> accidentally i shoud be receiving one of those lcd's any day now, and already have the esp8266 microcontrollers. i just might be in love
[02:29:18] <Deejay> moin
[03:04:18] <rhavenj> hi there, can anyone point me to a page where i could test my parallel port in this way? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglCm_qsojk
[03:05:50] <rhavenj> with linuxcnc*
[03:06:36] <rhavenj> or another software recommended?
[03:06:36] <archivist> you can inspect all pins in linuxcnc
[03:07:01] <rhavenj> hi archivist, is there a wiki page i could read?
[03:07:45] <beikeland> rhavenj: look at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
[03:08:18] <archivist> show hal configuration allows you to watch pins
[03:08:24] <rhavenj> beikeland awesome,
[03:08:34] <rhavenj> thank you :)
[03:09:48] <archivist> machine meny>show hal configuration>watch
[03:09:55] <archivist> menu
[03:10:10] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html
[03:11:01] <rhavenj> how does toggling the input work? simulated input?
[03:11:50] <rhavenj> for endswitches or so?
[03:11:55] <archivist> better to use the real thing then you are testing hardware too
[03:22:44] <archivist> that reminded me to get another breakout board :)
[03:40:54] <beikeland> speaking of breakout boards, does something like this exist, only with jumpers to prevent some signal from being passed through to the next db25 connector?
[03:40:57] <beikeland> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DB25-DB25-MG6-Male-Female-Arriving-Breakout-Board-Terminal-Block-/251972028106?hash=item3aaab406ca:g:cyEAAOSwGvhUGAuy
[03:41:37] <Connor> beikeland: Easy enough to make one of those yourself if you can't find it.
[03:42:16] <beikeland> yeah, "easy" but time consuming
[03:42:25] <archivist> it was common during the rs232 days
[03:42:46] <beikeland> if i had my mill running to mill a board then maybe, but it needs a bit of work
[03:44:02] <archivist> built into the lid http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-4951C-CNTEAD27AA-Portable-Protocol-Analyzer-64-kbps-19-2-kbps-/201503763633
[03:45:25] <archivist> actually get a male and female version of http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DB25-D-SUB-Male-Adapter-Plate-RS232-to-Terminal-Signal-Module-Breakout-Board-/121690609020
[03:46:13] <beikeland> yah, thats what i'm leaning towards, and just running some wires between them
[03:46:15] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DB25-DSUB-25pin-Female-Adapter-RS232-Breakout-Board-Connector-D10-9-75-FREE-p-p-/151949111005
[03:46:21] <Connor> http://www.electronicplus.com/images/products/D25PB.jpg
[03:46:29] <Connor> http://www.electronicplus.com/images/products/D25WA.jpg
[03:46:34] <Connor> http://www.electronicplus.com/content/ProductPage.asp?pagenum=5&lname=&maincat=cco&subcat=cco
[03:46:41] <Connor> down at the bottom.
[03:46:55] <Connor> DB25PB / DB25WA
[03:47:02] <beikeland> i found them for $2.60 each, can wait two weeks for chinese shipping
[03:48:24] <archivist> fine me lvdt electronics for that price :)
[03:48:28] <archivist> find
[03:49:04] <archivist> I have a probe with XYZ sensors and need to interface
[03:49:49] <beikeland> Connor: those were nice! but almost $50 to ship here. i'll just go with two terminal only breakouts and screw in some wires. thanks though!
[03:50:04] <Connor> beikeland: DAMNG
[03:50:34] <Connor> When I see this Drone.. I think of the Star War Probes and hear th sound effects... http://www.roboticstrends.com/photo/7_best_drones_of_ces_2016/6
[03:51:37] <archivist> currently the cheapest option for me is homebrew http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/lvdts/lvdts.html
[03:51:52] <beikeland> Connor: yeah.. but i'll just take a cnc break for two weeks, ending up replacing my 2nd parallel port anyway, so its two weeks in the mail as well.
[03:57:21] <MrSunshine> was a video posted a while back of hand shaving steel ... not scraping per say but whole length of a bed or something .. anyone know? =)
[04:43:10] <XXCoder> heys
[06:05:27] <_methods> CaptHindsight: yeah crazy
[06:05:35] <_methods> rough year so far for musicians
[06:05:52] <_methods> devil always gets his due
[06:05:57] <XXCoder> rough music
[06:18:20] * jthornton better dig the snow shovel out
[06:24:04] <jdh> you need a snowbike
[06:24:42] <archivist> get the snow shovel to dig itself out
[06:26:29] <XXCoder> you need snow shovel to shovel snow off snow shovel.
[06:28:41] <archivist> to understand recursion you need to understand recursion
[06:33:22] <enleth> XXCoder: verbing weirds language
[06:33:41] <XXCoder> yupper
[06:41:26] <XXCoder> YOLO = YOLO once life over
[06:41:59] <XXCoder> laters
[06:50:04] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: was it this? https://youtu.be/qvpq-c4XD1Y?t=28s
[06:59:38] <skunkworks> archivist, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go8woPGOggg
[07:00:56] <archivist> watch!, a bit effin big for a watch
[07:03:09] <Kucharsky|2> Hi guys, I just wanted to say hello to you all. I'm new to this cnc world. I'm trying to do my own cnc machine for fun. I'm fascinated what linuxcnc can do despite the fact that I don't now much about it yet.
[07:03:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Newest-400W-Air-Cooled-Spindle-Motor-BLDC-Motor-Controller-Motor-Power-Mount-48V-/151825439059 anyone ever try one of these?
[07:03:34] <Kucharsky|2> Warm welcom from frozen warsaw (poland)
[07:06:20] <CaptHindsight> what kind of bragging rights do I get if I SLA print an average size wristwatch?
[07:06:55] <archivist> an atom here an atom there
[07:07:11] <skunkworks> Kucharsky|2, welcome! at least one of our developers lives in poland
[07:07:48] <archivist> I got one of my hobs from poland iirc
[07:08:14] <CaptHindsight> http://ma.ecsdl.org/content/MA2012-02/59/3990.full.pdf#page=1&view=FitH DIY lithography for down to ~1um features
[07:08:23] <Kucharsky|2> Good to hear that. I actually am developer myself I do java j2ee server programming for a living. But what you do here in emc2 is quantum physics for me ;)
[07:09:25] <CaptHindsight> https://gmwgroup.harvard.edu/pubs/pdf/757.pdf Microscope Projection Photolithography for Rapid Prototyping
[07:10:04] <Kucharsky|2> Nice
[07:10:20] <archivist> CaptHindsight, did you see when IBM first wrote their logo with atoms
[07:11:14] <archivist> a while back https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_%28atoms%29
[07:11:43] <skunkworks> I remember that - I was in highschool
[07:12:01] <archivist> I was a lot older :)
[07:12:10] <skunkworks> :)
[07:13:13] <archivist> 20 years of working be then
[07:13:23] <Sync> I wasn't even born
[07:13:43] <archivist> pfft kidz
[07:15:48] <CaptHindsight> if you can find a used SEM you can also do near that for cheap
[07:16:45] <beikeland> i noticed stepconf not letting me choose stepx and dirx for the 2nd parallel port; is that a limitation of stepconf or linuxcnc?
[07:17:10] <CaptHindsight> probably stepconf
[07:17:53] <beikeland> so i safely try to edit the hal file and swap 0 and 1 around for the parallel ports
[07:18:24] <beikeland> only one can have data pins as inputs, so i don't want it to drive steppers
[07:19:29] <archivist> best to stop using stepconf and learn the hand edit method
[07:19:36] <CaptHindsight> that made me think of a possible Linuxcnc nightmare, multiple PCI-LPT cards and a kernel update
[07:20:10] <beikeland> whait what? CaptHindsight you implying that it could change the order of lp0 and lp1?
[07:20:29] <beikeland> archivist: sure, its my 2nd day of linux cnc, give me 1 more day at least ;)
[07:20:59] <archivist> it is useful for a starting point only
[07:23:32] <beikeland> i get that, i got the machine moving by starting of with the g540b4 template - now trying to find out if its my parallel port or g540 that is shorting input pin 11 and 12 together.
[07:33:01] <archivist> or you chose two pins to be connected to the same function
[07:33:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.halfbakedmaker.org/blog/post_id ever wonder why machines are not mounted on bases like this? :)
[07:34:32] <CaptHindsight> or from sky hooks
[07:36:56] <_methods> that should be stable
[07:37:01] <_methods> lol
[07:37:22] <_methods> just put some cans of soup down below and you're good to go
[07:37:33] <Sync> *w0bble*
[07:41:15] <beikeland> archivist: the two limit swtich inputs on the g540 lights up both pins on the http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester thing; so shouldn't be a config issue
[07:48:50] <Timbo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEHQzYF0RIg
[07:52:33] <_methods> spiffy door
[07:53:31] <_methods> how long did it take to get the arms right on that
[07:57:53] <Timbo> not too long
[07:58:12] <Timbo> once you learn about 4 bar linkages it's actually surprisingly simple
[08:00:44] <archivist> once upon a time books were published full of things like that
[08:17:33] <miss0r> Recently I started using a 80mm flycutter for a nicer surface finish. I noticed I had some tramming issues, which I fixed. I still have some issues with the overlapping of the lanes not being nice to the touch. i.e. you can feel the transission. I decided to do another tramming session. This is when I noticed that I was able to move the dial ~0.2mm up and down, applying manual force to the
[08:17:33] <miss0r> spindle. it is not the spindle it self that is moving it is the entiere machine construction. It is a colum type mill. Is this something I can do something about? or should I just live with the fact that this mill will never be able to make a perfect transission with a flycutter/other large diameter tool? (this is the mill: http://www.lathes.co.uk/arboga/img4.gif) and while doing the tramming,
[08:17:33] <miss0r> both the spindle and the colum in the back is locked in place with the build-in mechanism
[08:19:00] <archivist> be careful you dont confuse flex with tramming
[08:19:30] <miss0r> indeed. I have it trammed perfectly now. but I am worries it takes so little force to make the machine flex
[08:20:37] <archivist> see if you can work out where the flex is
[08:21:38] <miss0r> alright. I will be back in 5-10 mins
[08:22:08] <archivist> I suspect the clamping or the round column
[08:25:40] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: ehm .. no :P
[08:27:15] <miss0r> archivist: it seems it is the base of the machine it self. I am having a hard time determining if the problem worsens above the collar around the culumn
[08:27:46] <miss0r> it doesn't seem to be 'loose' in the claps that lock the collar
[08:27:54] <archivist> miss0r, is that column clamp doing its job
[08:28:44] <archivist> are you testing clamped or unclamped
[08:28:51] <miss0r> it seems it is. I have the dials magnetic base planed on the table. the point of measuerement is on the top of the collar that clamps the column. Here I can measure ~0.1mm
[08:29:08] <miss0r> I tested it clamped. when unclamped it can move more
[08:29:16] <miss0r> but the point I tested is bolted to the base
[08:29:19] <archivist> tighten harder
[08:29:48] <archivist> make sure no crap under that collar to base
[08:30:13] <archivist> it is a bit of a basic design problem
[08:30:46] <miss0r> so, you suspect I have crap under there? I was beginning to suspect the base was too thin :)
[08:31:23] <archivist> I suspect you are also expecting a bit too much from that design
[08:33:07] <miss0r> http://www.lathes.co.uk/arboga/img4.gif
[08:33:28] <archivist> I have seen the design
[08:33:29] <miss0r> http://picpaste.com/img4-bii6vv7z.gif >_ THATS WHAT I means to paste
[08:34:02] <miss0r> A= 0.1mm B= ~0.1mm(maybe a bit more) and C= 0.2-3mm
[08:34:11] <miss0r> with me manualy abusing it
[08:34:27] <miss0r> 0.2-0.3mm that is
[08:35:13] <miss0r> in other words: If I do not have some 'crap' under the column mount, I am just expecting too much of the design?
[08:35:21] <enleth> miss0r: you're trying to flex the column down/forward but not applying any force to the table?
[08:35:39] <archivist> the rear clamp has got to be very good to avoid any movement
[08:36:08] <miss0r> enleth: I am not applying any force to the table, no. I have tested the table thou. No movement there whatsoever
[08:36:41] <miss0r> enleth: not on a 0.01mm dial that is
[08:36:56] <archivist> does sound a bit like clamp to base is suspect as well
[08:37:56] <miss0r> I am realy hoping I can do something about the flexing.. I spend waaay too much time converting this thing to CNC
[08:38:19] <miss0r> brb
[08:42:56] <miss0r> misses and son just got home. I will have to pick this up later. Thanks for your help so far
[08:47:43] <skunkworks> PathPilot is SOOO much more fun than Mach3 ever was!
[08:47:57] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tormach-pathpilot-/276208-tormach-software-forum-posts.html
[08:48:29] <cradek> fun?
[08:49:52] <Timbo> is pathpilot a tormach only thing?
[08:49:54] <skunkworks> He is having fun with rigid tapping and adding stuff to it.
[08:50:34] <skunkworks> although the z retract move that was fixed in linuxcnc didn't seem to make it into pathpilot.
[08:50:46] <skunkworks> for rigid tapping
[08:52:19] <skunkworks> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commit;h=9db0cad94da4b4cb629ecb6429770022a9bed7a7
[09:18:07] <CaptHindsight> archivist: books are for old people, old people ruined everything so you shouldn't listen to them :)
[09:18:38] <archivist> but but....I am not young !!
[09:19:52] <archivist> I should go and join bookaholics anon :)
[09:20:55] <CaptHindsight> I understand how in China they had to socially engineer and entire generation to reject the "old ways" but in the west ...
[09:21:46] <archivist> throwing out all the old ways is a bit dumb
[09:21:48] <CaptHindsight> it's similar yet kids laugh at how uninformed the Chinese are
[09:22:39] <CaptHindsight> well how often do you come across smart kids?
[09:22:49] <archivist> never
[09:29:10] <Timbo> good books are hard to come by
[09:30:23] <CaptHindsight> it's much easier to get knowledge from Friendface and Twits
[09:30:31] <archivist> junk books are easy to find
[09:33:47] <CaptHindsight> http://hackaday.com/2016/01/18/whats-in-a-tool-a-case-for-made-in-usa/
[09:33:48] <Timbo> I'm finding I'm learning lots from youtube these days
[09:34:13] <Timbo> there is a lot to be said for looking at someone do it, rather than just have it described
[09:34:51] <CaptHindsight> the bad side is that any idiot can post a youtube video about how to make or do something
[09:35:07] <archivist> even me
[09:40:26] <ssi> morn
[09:58:51] <Frank__> guys. tapping vs nuts. Debate. now. (?)
[09:58:54] <Frank__> haha
[09:58:57] <ssi> tapping what
[09:59:04] <Frank__> nice question
[09:59:13] <ssi> is this that 1/4" wall steel tube gantry
[09:59:19] <Frank__> about 3/4 inch mild steel
[09:59:29] <ssi> what size fastener
[09:59:32] <Frank__> its the 1/4'' plus the flat bar machined
[09:59:35] <Frank__> m8
[09:59:39] <ssi> tap :P
[09:59:40] <Frank__> and m5 for rack
[10:00:17] <Frank__> power drill or hand? andypugh told me power drill all the way
[10:00:21] <ssi> power drill for sure
[10:00:36] <Frank__> but wouldnt nuts be easyer?
[10:00:55] <ssi> if you think nuts are easier, use nuts
[10:00:58] <Frank__> stick your arm inside the tube find the bolt cya
[10:01:05] <ssi> I'd tap it personally
[10:01:20] <Frank__> i dont have any real experience with any of them
[10:01:33] <Frank__> i thought tapping was hell
[10:01:52] <ssi> nah
[10:01:55] <Frank__> the thread size? what should i go for
[10:02:01] <ssi> tapping certain materials and certain sizes can be tough
[10:02:12] <ssi> but M8 in steel is easy easy with a power drill
[10:04:46] <Frank__> nicee
[10:06:03] <Frank__> i only hand tapped once 1/2inch hole aluminium
[10:07:54] <CaptHindsight> I can't always get nuts in the shape of the part I need to bolt to :)
[10:08:57] <ssi> lol
[10:12:02] <CaptHindsight> http://cdn.speednik.com/files/2013/07/DartIronEagle.jpg would be difficult to try to avoid the use of tapped holes and use nuts here
[10:13:27] <archivist> CaptHindsight, try the through bolt method where the nut is on the crank bearing shell
[10:13:49] <archivist> was used on a UK engine
[10:13:58] <_methods> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_McAuliffe
[10:14:03] <_methods> NUTS!!!
[10:17:15] <CaptHindsight> archivist: at least you don't have to be worried about stripping those
[10:17:59] <archivist> you had to tighten to a certain torque plus a stretch amount
[10:18:35] <archivist> luckily never had to rebuild one
[10:19:56] <Sync> well, studs are very common
[10:20:02] <Sync> and tty studs also
[10:20:22] <Sync> always fun when you rip the stud out of the casting
[10:21:05] <Sync> and most headbolts are tty anyway
[10:22:05] <archivist> tty? teletype shorthand
[10:22:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.sunnen.com/honing-machines-discontinued/ck10-cylinder-resizing I used to think that these were enormous and super rigid
[10:22:38] <Sync> torque to yield
[10:22:43] <archivist> kids of today re using old acronyms
[10:23:31] <Sync> honing machines are suprisingly expensive
[10:24:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.sunnen.com/graphics/assets/images/5d4229af3c4d.jpg looking at it now, I'd not prefer to use this on my engines except for maybe a lawn mower
[10:24:15] <Sync> why not?
[10:24:53] <CaptHindsight> then again if the spindle is made well enough
[10:25:04] <Sync> the spindle is unimportant
[10:25:15] <Sync> there are two universals in there anyway
[10:25:19] <CaptHindsight> it's just taking off a few thou and only ~4" deep
[10:25:19] <gregcnc> it's all supposed to flex?
[10:25:33] <Sync> it does not need to be rigid
[10:25:37] <Sync> and if it was that would be bad
[10:25:41] <gregcnc> so as not to distort the bore
[10:25:48] <Sync> the only thing that needs to be well made is the tool
[10:26:05] <gregcnc> it's not a grinder
[10:26:16] <CaptHindsight> hand drill with guide
[10:26:54] <Sync> I have a sunnen honing mandrel for a hand drill
[10:26:56] <Sync> it works perfectly
[10:27:32] <CaptHindsight> hone vs bore
[10:27:50] <Sync> well, you will always want to hone after boring
[10:28:32] <CaptHindsight> is that what that cross hatch pattern is?
[10:29:24] <gregcnc> Oh I thought that machine was a hone, yes cross hatch is result of honing
[10:29:25] <CaptHindsight> it confuses the oil so it just runs in circles and stay inside the engine
[10:32:51] <gregcnc> Bristol honing sleeves http://www.transportarchive.org.uk/getobject.php?rnum=G2144&searchitem=machine&mtv=G1&pnum=4
[10:34:57] <Sync> haha
[10:34:59] <Sync> I like the sign
[10:35:11] <Sync> "remember no sharp corners"
[10:37:06] <gregcnc> that hone has stones on the ID and OD
[10:38:53] <archivist> there were some funky sleeve valve engines
[10:40:23] <gregcnc> RR had some interesting stuff, but turbine came soon.
[10:54:42] <CaptHindsight> ah the CK10 was the hone, what was the model of the boring machine?
[11:00:09] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2rYYXWufkc
[11:02:29] <CaptHindsight> looks like the CK10 did both
[11:26:26] <Frank__> hey guys, i was just talking about tapping, they told me that power drill with reverse function would be the best, but what about tapping with the bench press which im using to do the holes
[11:27:05] <archivist> use a tapping head, when you pull up it reverses
[11:27:18] <CaptHindsight> Frank__: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1rZ_M1Qnys Power Tapping Head Attachment
[11:27:58] <JT-Shop> looks like the BP is needing a new motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G3RH4544&cm_re=j1900-_-13-128-698-_-Product
[11:27:59] <Frank__> the other day i was messing up with the bench drill press and i can play with the spring, so it comes up only when i want to
[11:28:05] <JT-Shop> does this look like a good one?
[11:28:06] <archivist> drill presses dont stop fast enough hence the need for an external unit
[11:29:44] <Frank__> i see..
[11:30:49] <skunkworks__> JT-Shop, did you figure out your noise problem?
[11:31:40] <JT-Shop> no, now the MB is not booting up
[11:32:38] <Frank__> whats a bp jt
[11:33:27] <JT-Shop> Bridgeport series 1 with Anilam 3 axis cnc conversion on it
[11:34:52] <archivist> CaptHindsight, my tapping head does not reverse until its pulled unlike that one
[11:35:10] <skunkworks__> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/149914\
[11:37:12] <archivist> extra \ on that link
[11:37:53] <Frank__> jt u got me to this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIxlSE2xWqM
[11:38:42] <Frank__> ohh i see i forgot i cant go reverse on a bench drill press
[11:38:44] <Erant> I just bought my first carbide bit, 1/4" 4 flute rougher. Anything I need to do differently from HSS?
[11:39:04] <beikeland> so i just lost a pci-e parallel port over a reboot; no trace of at with lspci or dmesg. get out the big sledgehammer?
[11:41:27] <gregcnc> never seen a tapping head like that who made those?
[11:42:36] <archivist> ebay search archer tapping
[11:43:24] <archivist> no idea who made the one in the video
[11:45:53] <gregcnc> deep in the comments it says Autal. I have Tampatic.
[11:46:04] <gregcnc> or Tapmatic
[11:46:49] <archivist> effin things fall out the morse taper though
[11:47:03] <gregcnc> No on my Arboga
[11:48:55] <gregcnc> It has a nut on the front of the spindle nose. But I need to make a few more nuts to make changing tools more convenient. Otherwise generally annoying do to lack of tooling.
[12:10:22] <Erant> Hooo boy. FSWizard is saying max RPM (5000) , 0.016WOC, 0.5DOC, 30IPM for the 1/4" carbide rougher in 1018.
[12:11:02] <Erant> That'll be an experience.
[12:11:39] <archivist> is the machine rigid enough for that
[12:11:52] <ssi> yeah the calculations assume a very rigid machine
[12:13:09] <Erant> It's not. So I'm halfing the IPM/RPM.
[12:14:42] <Erant> And probably half the DOC as well.
[12:16:11] <gregcnc> for a given feed per tooth torque is the same, so cutting force doesn't change. reducing depth will reduce cutting force.
[12:17:03] <ssi> correct... halving RPM and feed is gonna give you the same force with a reduction in surface finish probably
[12:17:38] <ssi> although if you're halving RPM mechanically via a gear change you'll get a torque increase
[12:18:15] <archivist> or listen to the machine and select a quiet speed/feed and doc
[12:19:04] <gregcnc> Erant, you were using 1/2" or 3/8" before?
[12:19:23] <Erant> gregcnc: I was using 3/8" on Alu, which was fine.
[12:19:25] <CaptHindsight> "our small company does not pay by CC, paypal or prepay, only by P.O." heh, nothing like demanding credit
[12:19:43] <Erant> 0.05" WOC, 0.25" DOC, 15IPM at 2000RPM.
[12:19:53] <Erant> But this is 1018.
[12:19:57] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[12:19:58] <ssi> "our small vendor does not deliver on credit, only upon payment."
[12:20:27] <Erant> So I got a 4 flute 1/4" rougher for that. I really liked the rougher for aluminium.
[12:20:30] <ssi> Erant: upside is 1018 clears chips better
[12:20:47] <Erant> It made MUCH quicker work on my small machine.
[12:20:54] <ssi> what's the length of cut on your 1/4" rougher?
[12:20:59] <Sync> wut ssi
[12:21:06] <ssi> 1/4" is small, if it has much length/stickout, it's gonna be chattery
[12:21:07] <Erant> Probably too long. 3/4"
[12:21:23] <CaptHindsight> "oh and I'd like to take an hour of your time consulting before I place my $100 order"
[12:21:43] <gregcnc> pay attention to torque when check F/S, it will give you some indication of what the machine will like with other materials
[12:22:27] <Erant> Lemme run the numbers for what I'm doing with the 6061 rougher.
[12:25:36] <Erant> About 1.9in-lb of torque, 10lbs of cutting force.
[12:26:50] <Erant> The 1/4" comes out to 1.3in-lb of torque with the 5000RPM + 30IPM.
[12:28:55] <gregcnc> start with less load and see if it will run full speed.
[12:29:50] <Erant> Will do.
[12:30:26] <gregcnc> I was cutting some parts with numbers that looked good in FS Wizard and ran poorly. it wasn't until i took a good look at some reground endmills I got in a tool box that i saw the problem.
[12:30:45] <JT-Shop> I get the sserial error when the axis trips the home switch...
[12:31:36] <gregcnc> They were reground, recoated, with wax still on them. but they didn't regrind the flutes only the ends, WTF, there were 8 or so of these.
[12:31:52] <ssi> ug
[12:32:01] <gregcnc> A new good endmill ran great with the same numbers.
[12:32:07] <ssi> you can regrind the ends on a surface grinder with a fixture... need a proper T&C grinder to do the flutes
[12:33:05] <gregcnc> These had corner radius and fully TIn or whatever coated. I don't know.
[12:33:21] <JT-Shop> I need to make a fixture to grind drill bits
[12:34:20] <CaptHindsight> http://tinyurl.com/h4fqelk Walmart DAREX E90 Endmill Sharpener E-90
[12:34:37] <ssi> yowza
[12:34:45] <ssi> I have a drill doctor, it's ok
[12:34:46] <ssi> not amazing
[12:34:47] <gregcnc> walmart lists carzy stuff these days
[12:35:01] <CaptHindsight> I didn't see any there last night when I picked up paper towels
[12:35:21] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DAREX-E90-End-Mill-Sharpener-/231500774015?hash=item35e6857a7f:g:prcAAOSwEetWA9jf
[12:35:23] <_methods> you didn't go to the machining section
[12:35:24] <_methods> lol
[12:35:46] <CaptHindsight> _methods: is that near housewares?
[12:36:00] <_methods> right next to +size womens wear
[12:36:18] <CaptHindsight> ah camping
[12:36:22] <_methods> hahahha
[12:39:24] <pcw_home> JT-Shop: is your field power common grounded? maybe you have a ESD like issue
[12:39:26] <pcw_home> ( a limit switch triggering a sserial error is pretty bizarre )
[12:39:42] <JT-Shop> let me check
[12:44:10] <JT-Shop> - on the 24v power supply is not grounded
[12:45:51] <maxcnc> pcw here its all clear i finished one more mesa mashine today
[12:46:05] <Erant> gregcnc: I really appreciate the feedback. Partly I'm just trying stuff, but I realize 'gut-feel' really really doesn't work with machining.
[12:46:28] <Erant> "Oh, it's chattering, I should increase RPMs.", stuff like that.
[12:47:44] <CaptHindsight> chattering with smoke vs chattering without smoke?
[12:48:23] <CaptHindsight> smoke from the cutting area, smoke from inside the machine
[12:48:36] <CaptHindsight> lots to consider
[12:48:44] <_methods> drive it like it's stolen
[12:54:24] <Jymmm> _methods: expert in that are we?
[12:54:35] <_methods> damn skippy
[12:54:44] <Jymmm> lol
[12:54:48] <_methods> i love blowin up other people's tooling
[12:55:11] <maxcnc> _methods: you might loose good friends
[12:55:17] <Jymmm> _methods: I was referring to stolen car driving
[12:55:29] <_methods> i love driving stolen cars too
[12:55:33] <_methods> not so much anymore though
[12:55:44] <_methods> i'm old and fat and can't run as fast as i used to be able ot
[12:55:45] <_methods> to
[12:55:56] <Jymmm> lol
[12:55:57] <_methods> escaping the police is more of a challenge now
[12:56:25] <maxcnc> old yes fat maybe but we know how to build and drive a joint
[12:56:30] <_methods> now when i feel like breaking the law i just watch cops
[12:56:31] <Jymmm> What, no jet pack?
[12:56:45] <maxcnc> Deejay: ?
[13:02:36] <beikeland> anyone heard of Gecko g540 having a short on the db25 input? two of my input pins have a dead short. So either of its input being asserted causes both parallel port pins to be asserted.
[13:02:46] <Frank__> ur going to laugh at me if i tell you what happened to me like right now
[13:03:01] <Frank__> i waant to know if it happened to any of you :D
[13:03:24] <Frank__> white spirit in your mouth? :/
[13:04:09] <beikeland> Frank__: much better than the red stuff is what i hear ;)
[13:04:27] <Frank__> whats the red stuff
[13:04:35] <_methods> you got a load of white stuff in your mouth?
[13:04:39] <_methods> don't tell Jymmm
[13:04:41] <Frank__> nah just a little
[13:04:45] <Frank__> hahahaha
[13:04:50] <_methods> he'll be tryin to put white stuff in your mouth all the time
[13:05:10] <Frank__> i freaked out and rushed to rinse my mouth with lots of water
[13:05:17] <maxcnc> Frank__: is it up and moving
[13:05:22] <beikeland> we have white and red spirits here; the red one is more pure alcohol with additive to make undrinkable
[13:06:33] <Frank__> ok idk if its the right translation but i almost swallowed oil paint solvent
[13:06:38] <Frank__> is that white spirit?
[13:07:01] <Frank__> max you mean the machine?
[13:07:09] <Frank__> or my head
[13:07:10] <Frank__> haah
[13:07:47] <beikeland> sounds about right; or wrong, depending on how you view it.
[13:08:04] <Frank__> hahaha
[13:08:59] <gregcnc> meh, fire breathers do it all the time?
[13:09:05] <Frank__> bottom line, im not going to enjoy tonights dinner? haha
[13:09:28] <Frank__> isnt it alcohol what they put in their mouth?
[13:09:58] <gregcnc> kerosene, aka paraffin, aka lamp oil
[13:10:14] <gregcnc> alcohol is more dangerous
[13:10:17] <Frank__> gees thats what they use?
[13:10:29] <beikeland> yeah, lamp oil is the stuff. but white stuff or not; best not swallow
[13:11:18] <Frank__> i didnt swallow i think, just alittle bit in my mouth while i was trying to make vaccum to pass from the 4 gallon tank to a little one
[13:12:12] <Frank__> it kind of makes you want to puck right away
[13:12:49] <gregcnc> don't worry about it. I use a cloth around the hose and opening and blow into the full jug
[13:12:50] <nos> \o/
[13:12:57] <jdh> I've only done it with gasoline
[13:15:17] <Frank__> allright
[13:16:05] <Frank__> well i should get back to it... thanks guys.
[13:26:30] <maxcnc> how is the gas price comming in the USA
[13:26:47] <maxcnc> we got diesel below 99cents Eur
[13:27:25] <gregcnc> diesel is 1.99USD/gal
[13:27:35] <gregcnc> suburbs of chicago
[13:27:56] <_methods> $1.53/gal for gas here
[13:28:11] <gregcnc> gas is still 1.79 or so
[13:28:28] <_methods> haven't seen gas this cheap since the 80's
[13:28:28] <gregcnc> but it seems mid and premium surcharges are huge now
[13:29:12] <ssi> 1.65 here
[13:29:12] <_methods> guess opec wants to make sure they snap putin's back before they let up
[13:29:17] <ssi> diesel is still over 2 sadly :/
[13:29:50] <gregcnc> I read that dakota sour crude is selling at -$0.50 /barrel
[13:30:00] <_methods> they get to put all the shale oil companies out of business as an added side benefit
[13:30:18] <gregcnc> they have to pay the refinery to take it away
[13:30:25] <CaptHindsight> https://blog.gasbuddy.com/posts/Gasoline-Prices-Continue-to-Plunge-47-cent-Gas-Hits-Michigan/1715-635613-3514.aspx
[13:30:35] <gregcnc> tha'ts what i was looking for
[13:30:43] <CaptHindsight> was it the 70's the last time we saw 50 cent/gals?
[13:30:54] <_methods> maybe 60's
[13:31:27] <gregcnc> The best price i ever say was 1999 or so at $0.96.
[13:31:29] <ssi> it was 69c in the mid 90s for a brief while
[13:31:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html
[13:31:42] <ssi> when I first started driving... must have been 96,97
[13:31:51] <ssi> was back over a dollar within a year or two
[13:36:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.energytrendsinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Annual-gas-prices-1919-2011.jpg?00cfb7
[13:36:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/70yearsofpricechange.html
[13:37:54] <_methods> ahh the 80s
[13:38:00] <_methods> rampant inflation
[13:38:09] <_methods> and shitty cars
[13:38:26] <CaptHindsight> on the plus side, big hair
[13:38:38] <_methods> bad music
[13:40:45] <t12> aerobics
[13:41:21] <CaptHindsight> Yugo's, Cordoba, Cimarron, any Mustang or Diesel GM car
[13:41:53] <CaptHindsight> and the K cars
[13:41:57] <_methods> the mustangII
[13:41:58] <_methods> lol
[13:42:59] <CaptHindsight> back when you had to take your car stereo with you
[13:44:16] <_methods> my stack of 8-tracks
[13:44:46] <CaptHindsight> floppies
[13:44:52] <ssi> flippy floppies
[13:45:02] <_methods> i never had a car stereo the played floppies lol
[13:45:04] <CaptHindsight> walkman
[13:45:25] <_methods> that would have been kinda cool
[13:46:12] <CaptHindsight> they sold DAT for cars for a few years
[13:46:50] <CaptHindsight> 1.44MB would hold one song with lots of compression
[13:48:20] <CaptHindsight> I don't think I had a car back then that had better than 10MPG
[13:48:58] <gregcnc> I have some minidisc gear kicking aorund
[13:49:16] <_methods> i had one of those
[13:49:50] <CaptHindsight> until I got a used diesel jetta that got 40+ mpg
[13:50:30] <CaptHindsight> but I had to drive to truck stops for fuel
[13:51:02] <_methods> heh we had a galaxy 500 station wagon that probably got like 4mpg
[13:51:11] <_methods> that thing was huge
[13:52:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.carlustblog.com/2010/10/our-cars-1964-ford-galaxy-500-country-squire-wagon.html I'd love to find one of these
[13:52:41] <_methods> ours was blue
[13:52:41] <CaptHindsight> Ford had the best tail lights in the 60's
[13:53:15] <_methods> freaking beast of a car
[13:53:55] <Computer_barf> so yesterday I added a cool "probe screen" tab to linux cnc , It was a bit tricky getting it going but now looks quite nice, which has made me wonder about other similar things.
[13:53:57] <Computer_barf> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe
[13:54:22] <Computer_barf> so im wondering if there is other similar add on utilities like this out there
[13:54:36] <skunkworks> have you looked at features?
[13:54:47] <Computer_barf> like maybe a tab for conversational / canned routines
[13:55:06] <Computer_barf> i saw features but it appeared to be more probe stuff
[13:55:11] <skunkworks> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/40-subroutines-and-ngcgui/26578-linuxcnc-features-a-kind-of-ngcgui?limitstart=0
[13:55:34] <CaptHindsight> most of the good or working stuff goes into the official releases
[13:56:44] <CaptHindsight> _methods: with woodgrain? http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/96959/96959_Front_3-4_Web.jpg
[13:57:13] <_methods> ours was the horrible baby blue color
[13:57:22] <_methods> that one actually looks cool
[13:58:05] <CaptHindsight> the 60's blues, greens and aquas
[13:58:13] <CaptHindsight> all muted
[13:58:13] <_methods> yeah
[13:59:40] <FinboySlick> Not quite as cool as the Grisworld's though.
[13:59:49] <CaptHindsight> lol
[14:00:01] <CaptHindsight> with the double decker lights
[14:00:10] <_methods> yeah we didn't have the cool wood paneling either
[14:00:12] <CaptHindsight> one of my favorite ugly cars
[14:01:08] <CaptHindsight> http://griswoldfamilyvacations.com/maiking-the-griswold-family-truckster/
[14:01:47] <_methods> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/37210452@N06/4632437311/
[14:01:51] <_methods> like that
[14:02:00] <_methods> i had those horrible tires rims too lol
[14:02:31] <CaptHindsight> painted steel wheels, hub caps and whitewalls
[14:03:08] <CaptHindsight> archivist: were there any uhmerican cars imported to the UK back in the 60's?
[14:03:20] <CaptHindsight> or even brands
[14:03:27] <_methods> they wouldn't fit down the little roads there
[14:03:44] <_methods> driving american cars in europe is painful
[14:04:09] <CaptHindsight> I think it was the 90's before US car makers started selling in the EU
[14:04:19] <_methods> you might as well be driving a delivery van around everywhere
[14:05:26] <_methods> http://perception-point.io/2016/01/14/analysis-and-exploitation-of-a-linux-kernel-vulnerability-cve-2016-0728/
[14:07:04] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Britain
[14:12:55] <Computer_barf> ok its my understanding that glade vcp is used to make the right tab pane on linuxcnc
[14:13:40] <Computer_barf> but the two tabs on the left pane (manual control , MDI) , is there a standard name for that panel?
[14:15:09] <Spida> CaptHindsight: no diesel at regular fuel stations?
[14:15:50] <CaptHindsight> Spida: not common back then, probably not until after 2000
[14:16:46] <CaptHindsight> now it's 3 grades of gasoline, 2 flex and 1 diesel
[14:22:25] <Jymmm> _methods: Dude... line, you, over, m'kay =)
[14:27:32] <_methods> hahah
[14:32:12] <_methods> https://www.freelancer.com/contest/NASA-System-Architecture-Registration-Contest-329981.html
[14:51:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151945729470 I asked about where it's stored, how many pieces, how long to load and never heard back
[14:57:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle/800w-air-cooled-cnc-milling-spindle-kl-800a anyone know if these are 3-phase 400hz and actually 200V or how are they wired?
[14:58:48] <hiroshima5> hi everybody
[14:59:10] <hiroshima5> does anybody know how call halrun from a python script
[14:59:12] <hiroshima5> ?
[14:59:52] <hiroshima5> I tried to use subprocess.popen but I can't make it
[15:03:34] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Curse you. I have 'Holiday Road' stuck in my head now.
[15:03:52] <Spida> CaptHindsight: what are the current prices for regular/diesel?
[15:05:48] <Spida> CaptHindsight: here we pay 1.15euro per liter for regular / 0.88euro per liter for diesel -- lowest price we have had for about 10 years. we have had as much as 1.70euro per liter for regular and 1.46euro per liter for diesel
[15:05:59] <CaptHindsight> Spida: $1.70 and ~$2.10
[15:06:18] <Spida> CaptHindsight: for a gallon, I assume...?
[15:07:12] <CaptHindsight> diesel is down to $1.85/gal - 3.75L
[15:07:52] <Erant> Not in CA
[15:07:58] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTsgqvmUPn4
[15:08:00] <ssi> how much is that in dinar per decilitre?
[15:08:09] <Spida> so something like 0.55 euro per liter...
[15:08:13] <Spida> nice.
[15:12:32] <Sync> _methods: I think it is all the fracking oil that they want to drive out
[15:12:36] <Sync> putin is not gonna snap
[15:13:15] <CaptHindsight> OPEC don't like the frackers
[15:15:14] <CaptHindsight> for once a pissing contest that doesn't screw over the less fortunate, well yet
[15:16:06] <_methods> the frackers were never a real threat
[15:16:16] <_methods> that's just the icing on the cake
[15:16:42] <CaptHindsight> peak oil, oil shortages, etc
[15:17:02] <CaptHindsight> I glad they remembered where they left all that oil
[15:18:35] <_methods> wow 80/20 is sinking to new lows
[15:18:37] <_methods> https://www.8020.net/xdiy1601
[15:19:03] <_methods> guess business is getting rough in the alum extrusion market lol
[15:19:21] <_methods> when you start marketing to the pinterest crowd the end is near
[15:19:42] <CaptHindsight> now in 17 designer colors
[15:20:18] <_methods> polish appearance
[15:20:27] <CaptHindsight> they should focus on picture frames and DIY furniture, t-slot meets Ikea
[15:20:44] <_methods> https://www.8020.net/diy
[15:20:48] <_methods> your wish is my command
[15:21:25] <_methods> they even made an inspiration page
[15:21:27] <_methods> https://www.8020.net/inspiration
[15:21:27] <CaptHindsight> Sturkkia%%zizenfeguuud
[15:21:45] <_methods> apparently they lost their inspiration
[15:21:57] <CaptHindsight> and other unpronounceable names for uhmericans
[15:23:16] <CaptHindsight> it was a franchise idea I had about 10 years ago
[15:23:34] <_methods> 80/20 picture frames?
[15:24:12] <CaptHindsight> you sit with a "designer" at a screen, design you stuff and the guys in back cut and pack your t-slot in 30 minutes or less
[15:25:05] <CaptHindsight> they just need the cushy pads for seat backs and textiles for softness and flair
[15:26:14] <_methods> imagine what 3d printer people will do when they invent extruded aluminum
[15:26:42] <Erant> gregcnc: So, if I get this correct, IPM (and thus RPM and IPT) is mostly a function of how powerful your spindle is, but tool engagement is a function of how rigid your machine is?
[15:27:30] <CaptHindsight> extruded aluminum hah, what's next?
[15:27:48] <_methods> just wait till they find out about rack and pinion
[15:28:33] <CaptHindsight> I heard that some maker was theorizing that if you have feedback from a motor you can increase its accuracy
[15:28:43] <_methods> lies
[15:28:44] <Sync> !
[15:30:29] <CaptHindsight> if only there was some way of permanently attaching two pieces of fabric together ...
[15:31:03] <CaptHindsight> or pieces of wood
[15:36:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.element14.com/community/thread/30891/l/closed-loop-control-for-low-cost-3d-printers?displayFullThread=true
[15:37:44] <CaptHindsight> "How can we design a 3D printer based on closed-loop control to gain high accuracy and overcome low cost construction through use of negative feedback?" vs positive feedback/reinforcement?
[15:37:51] <_methods> lol
[15:38:52] <_methods> wow that thread is painful
[15:39:30] <Sync> well, negative feedback is right
[15:39:43] <Sync> otherwise the control systems would oscillate to death
[15:40:33] <CaptHindsight> well that does explain #reprap
[15:49:58] <JT-Shop> probing can be intoxicating
[15:52:48] <Computer_barf> I just installed a probing tab on my linuxcnc
[15:52:56] <Computer_barf> slightly terrified to use it
[15:53:00] <SpeedEvil> negative feedback?
[15:53:07] <SpeedEvil> like 'don't, just don't'
[15:53:41] <JT-Shop> yea I put a movable object on the vise first
[15:53:53] <JT-Shop> I'm using the ngcgui probing subs
[15:55:26] <Computer_barf> JT-Shop: was that you who said that blog was yours with all the interface modification info?
[15:57:58] <JT-Shop> blog? I don't have any blogs
[15:58:05] <JT-Shop> I have a web site
[15:58:18] <JT-Shop> with lots of information on it yes
[16:02:10] <Computer_barf> perhaps you know this then, the contents of the manual control / mdi tabs are those done with glade vcp as well?
[16:04:04] <JT-Shop> on what interface?
[16:04:15] <Computer_barf> axis
[16:04:26] <Computer_barf> on the left pane
[16:04:33] <JT-Shop> no, tcl
[16:04:44] <Computer_barf> ahh so those are done diffrently
[16:05:07] <Computer_barf> what does tcl stand for?
[16:06:33] <JT-Shop> terrible computer language I think
[16:06:39] <JT-Shop> not really
[16:06:52] <Computer_barf> lol
[16:07:00] <Computer_barf> I found some pages talking about it
[16:07:39] <Computer_barf> cool I'll read on it. I'm mostly interested in modifying the interface to make it more presentable
[16:08:47] <JT-Shop> better off starting with gscreen IMHO
[16:16:11] <Computer_barf> JT-Shop: I have to wornder why this is the first time I've seen gscreen
[16:19:01] <Computer_barf> and why it isn't the standard
[16:24:11] <Deejay> gn8
[16:43:34] <jdh> terrible command language
[17:06:30] <andypugh> I would struggle to defend myself against accusations of over-use of my boring head: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6241632180379729186
[17:07:03] <cradek> heh, you either have a huge lathe or you don't
[17:07:32] <andypugh> The right tool would be a horizontal borer.
[17:07:41] <andypugh> I don’t think that is a lathe job.
[17:08:09] <cradek> looks like you are doing fine, no defense needed
[17:08:13] <andypugh> It’s a motor mounting bracket I wanted the mounting face perpendicular to the base plate.
[17:08:26] <cradek> ah
[17:09:18] <andypugh> That bracket fits in place of the variator and accepts the same motor.
[17:09:41] <andypugh> (The variator output shaft exactly matches the motor shaft, which helps)
[17:11:28] <cradek> nice
[17:16:22] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: do you have another angle on the holder for the boring bar?
[17:16:53] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I don’t understand the question?
[17:17:07] <CaptHindsight> a picture from another angle
[17:17:20] <CaptHindsight> it's interesting to see
[17:17:39] <andypugh> Do you mean the boring head?
[17:18:32] <CaptHindsight> yeah, do you have a screw to change the dia?
[17:19:07] <CaptHindsight> or does it just slide?
[17:19:13] <andypugh> This is the same tool doing some inverted turning.
[17:19:14] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6237961413474714578
[17:19:42] <Sync> andypugh: want a UPA4 with the long slide?
[17:20:11] <andypugh> It’s a boring and facing head. In the first picture you can just see the torque reaction rod sat against the magnetic stand, to the left of the spindle in the picture.
[17:21:06] <andypugh> The knurled ring is geared to the adjusting ring, so it increases radius by 0.1mm every revolution (when configured that way).
[17:21:31] <andypugh> Sync: I already have a UPA4, but it’s in a 4 morse taper and I have no way to spin it.
[17:22:02] <Sync> you can do it like the owner of my upa4, cut the MT4 off and weld a SK40 on it
[17:22:12] <andypugh> weld? Eeew!
[17:22:32] <Sync> it was done very nicely
[17:22:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wohlhaupter-UPA-4-Ausdrehkopf-boring-head-UPA4-gebraucht-used-/321683136540
[17:22:57] <Sync> they probably wanted less stickout so they just welded a huge bar on it
[17:23:02] <Sync> it has less than 2µm runout
[17:23:02] <andypugh> I have thought of cutting it off, but I would re-create the special Wohlhaupter removable shank. I have BT30, 30Int and 3MT shangs for mt UPA3
[17:23:22] <Sync> and is almost not recognizable
[17:23:43] <Sync> I would *love* to have one with the removable shank
[17:24:49] <CaptHindsight> the go for as much as $2k used
[17:24:54] <andypugh> Sync: Do you know how they hold the shanks on? It’s super-clever
[17:25:43] <Sync> yes
[17:25:54] <Sync> usually for around 300€ over here CaptHindsight
[17:32:16] <andypugh> When you handle one you can see the money in them. My UPA4 is the most nicely made tool I have ever seen. It’s all hardened and ground with a mirror finish, The pegs that you push in to adjust the infeed rate are _geared_ together in pairs.
[17:34:48] <Frank__> this ? https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=UPA4+tool&espv=2&rlz=1C1ASUC_enAR629AR629&biw=1360&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU2Pia_7bKAhUMF5AKHS8lCggQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=HiEyo_sB4uk0aM%3A
[17:37:59] <CaptHindsight> in case anyone missed it yesterday, Shars has facemills on super sale, >75% off
[17:39:08] <JT-Shop> yuck it is sleeting
[17:40:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shars-4-High-Feed-Indexable-Face-Mill-for-SDMT-Insert-New-678-00-Off/301117485835
[17:42:09] <andypugh> That’s quite a reduction
[17:47:46] <Sync> haha wut
[17:47:56] <Sync> they were selling them for 678$
[17:49:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=404-2607 Regular Price: $138.99
[17:49:35] <CaptHindsight> Competitors' Regular Price: $753.00
[17:49:43] <CaptHindsight> fancy wording
[17:50:11] <CaptHindsight> so ~1/2 their regular price
[17:51:02] <malcom2073> Lol, marketing
[17:51:34] <CaptHindsight> I wonder who they consider their competitor
[17:51:45] <JT-Shop> I could not tell if probe left was probing to the left or the left side of an object
[17:51:46] <CaptHindsight> who carries the same brands
[17:52:28] <gregcnc> they compare to Iscar it's knocked off of
[17:56:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-VALENITE-CARBIDE-INSERT-INDEXABLE-FACE-MILL-PA-16022-01-M1008399-BIN-261/191401232457 used 6" for $80
[18:00:37] <gregcnc> You'll go crazy looking for the best deal and commonly available inexpensive inserts. Milling inserts seem proprietary, at least not universal, only fitting one or two brands.
[18:38:33] <CaptHindsight> I pretty much use the same 1/4" end mill for everything that came with my mill
[19:22:39] <bobo__> Hi Pete ! homeless yet or just adding pounds from all of the cookies ?
[19:25:59] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: what bobo__ said!!!
[19:26:49] <bobo__> thanks Mr Jymmm
[19:27:09] <Jymmm> =)
[19:44:06] <bobo__> Pete must be busy working on a tat cart design or sleeping off all the cookies
[20:00:04] <PetefromTn_> meh no
[20:00:58] <PetefromTn_> its been a CRAZY DAY
[20:11:47] <jdh> how CRAZY was it?
[20:14:35] <SpeedEvil> Did you discover you are actually a three foot tall horse?
[20:16:46] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Are you homeless now?
[20:17:05] <SpeedEvil> As long as his situation is stable.
[20:18:01] <bobo__> as in horse stable ?
[20:18:03] <McBride36> is there a link to gcode commands? before 3d printing was a thing?
[20:30:17] <zeeshan|2> just found out that
[20:30:27] <zeeshan|2> a 1/4" end mill can take a .75" doc
[20:30:29] <zeeshan|2> at 5 ipm
[20:30:30] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:30:33] <zeeshan|2> whoops
[20:30:42] <zeeshan|2> had to stop the prog :/
[20:30:45] <PetefromTn_> sorry guys got a phone call LOL
[20:31:03] <PetefromTn_> jdh it was pretty crazy LOL
[20:31:22] <PetefromTn_> my wife has been after me to get some new sticker tires for her SUV
[20:31:40] <PetefromTn_> and tomorrow we are supposed to be getting a bunch of snow so she was panicking
[20:31:52] <PetefromTn_> so I had to run down and get some new tires put on there...
[20:32:07] <PetefromTn_> while this was happening I got a call from the realtors
[20:32:18] <PetefromTn_> they wanted to show the house THIS AFTERNOON
[20:32:33] <PetefromTn_> so I had to get a ride back to the house to straighten up and show the house
[20:32:50] <PetefromTn_> met with them and showed the house and got a ride back to the tire store
[20:33:09] <PetefromTn_> paid the man for her new Good year mudders OUCH
[20:33:17] <PetefromTn_> then I get a call from the realtor again
[20:33:36] <PetefromTn_> it seem the people who came to see the house the second time really liked it
[20:33:45] <PetefromTn_> they put in a bid which is a kind of lowball offer
[20:33:54] <PetefromTn_> so we have to now counter offer
[20:34:00] <PetefromTn_> by tomorrow at 5pm
[20:34:18] <PetefromTn_> then I get another call from the realtors
[20:34:33] <PetefromTn_> they want to show the house to ANOTHER customer tomorrow afternoon
[20:34:43] <malcom2073> When it rains it pours
[20:34:45] <PetefromTn_> so yeah like I said pretty crazy day LOL
[20:34:57] <PetefromTn_> we are busy as hell at the race shop too
[20:35:27] <PetefromTn_> I was mocking up the 3 rotor 2" tube manifold all day and it is starting to look pretty awesome...
[20:35:47] <PetefromTn_> not much room when you add another rotor and a bigass turbo in there LOL
[20:36:17] <PetefromTn_> I am really starting to freak out about the house tho
[20:36:43] <PetefromTn_> if they accept our counter offer we will be balls to the wall fixing up the things they want fixed and packing our stuff for the move
[20:36:47] <CaptHindsight> decide on your bottom price
[20:37:04] <PetefromTn_> then I will have to find a way to move my machines without breaking the bank
[20:37:19] <PetefromTn_> PLUS we have to find a house in Florida to buy...
[20:37:32] <PetefromTn_> my wife and I are kinda overwhelmed LOL
[20:37:46] <CaptHindsight> ask them to give you 30 days of access to the garage :)
[20:37:49] <PetefromTn_> we always thought it would sell eventually especially with all the work we have been doing
[20:38:11] <PetefromTn_> well the offer said we would need to finish up the repairs and be out by march 3
[20:38:50] <PetefromTn_> we would probably need to have until april 3 realistically to do the stuff they need, arrange for the machines moving, and get all our stuff packed for the move.
[20:38:50] <jdh> wasnt' florida housing hit pretty hard? should be lots of things there
[20:38:58] <PetefromTn_> well it was actually
[20:39:14] <CaptHindsight> lots of "fixer uppers" as well
[20:39:15] <PetefromTn_> honestly if we had sold our house a year or so ago we would have been able to take our pick
[20:39:25] <PetefromTn_> but it is really coming back down there apparenlty
[20:39:43] <PetefromTn_> many of the smokin' deals we saw are not there or not as smoking now LOL
[20:39:48] <PetefromTn_> story of my life ;)
[20:39:55] <CaptHindsight> avoid the swampy areas
[20:40:12] <PetefromTn_> we want to be in the Port St. Lucie area where we were before...
[20:40:26] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say I am SOOOO excited that we actually got an offer for the house tho.
[20:40:37] <PetefromTn_> it was starting to feel like that was never gonna happen hehe
[20:42:02] <PetefromTn_> the thing that sucks tho is that by the time we pay the very good realtors and pay a little home improvement loan we took out awhile ago that is gonna take a chunk out of the total so we may have to get a little loan on the house in florida possibly.
[20:43:02] <CaptHindsight> you could get a 10K sq ft warehouse to convert to living space
[20:43:17] <PetefromTn_> LOL I would LOVE to do that
[20:43:25] <PetefromTn_> but my wife would probably strangle me
[20:43:31] <CaptHindsight> heh
[20:43:46] <CaptHindsight> loft like living
[20:43:48] <PetefromTn_> she wants a nice house in PSL with a huge bathtub and hopefully a swimming pool
[20:43:54] <CaptHindsight> drive right into the living room
[20:44:09] <PetefromTn_> that would be sweet
[20:44:21] <PetefromTn_> she is NOT open for discussion on this tho hehehe
[20:44:21] <CaptHindsight> get her an indoor pool/bathtub
[20:44:50] <PetefromTn_> our house we rented in PSL when we lived down there had a huge bathtub/jacuzzi and she has not had one since so she is laying down the law LOL
[20:46:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/19535376/486-NW-Lake-Whitney-Port-Saint-Lucie-FL/ 25k sq ft! only $113K
[20:47:02] <CaptHindsight> you could put a diving school in there
[20:48:24] <CaptHindsight> with springboard from the roof
[21:53:47] <PetefromTn_> man can you imagine having a 25k sq foot shop with a house attached LOL
[21:55:24] <Tom_itx> who needs a house?
[21:55:43] <PetefromTn_> well I gotta sleep and shower somewhere LOL
[21:56:21] <Tom_itx> with that space you could have a nice office/shower
[21:56:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I agree you could put my whole house inside there and still have tons of room
[21:57:28] <Tom_itx> sounds about the size of my bud's last building before he retired
[21:58:21] <PetefromTn_> I honestly have always wanted to live on a boat and have kidded my wife about selling the house and getting a yacht and then putting my shop in a warehouse building
[21:58:29] <PetefromTn_> she won't go for it
[22:03:06] <zeeshan|2> 25k sq ft !
[22:03:06] <zeeshan|2> :D
[22:03:32] <PetefromTn_> heheh
[22:03:34] <zeeshan|2> i was trying to think of the ideal shop size for me
[22:03:40] <zeeshan|2> i think itll have 1500 sq ft
[22:03:49] <zeeshan|2> with 12-14 ft ceilings
[22:03:58] <zeeshan|2> originally i wanted double, but man the heating bill would be insane
[22:04:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah that would probably be about perfect for a small shop that is a bit less than twice what I have here.
[22:04:50] <zeeshan|2> i found out one of my coworkers was an ex machinist
[22:05:03] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/6xE2VoB.jpg
[22:05:08] <zeeshan|2> he gave me a bunch of carbide and tools
[22:05:14] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/CiQXC9X.jpg
[22:05:15] <zeeshan|2> lots of tnmg
[22:05:36] <zeeshan|2> your shop is 750 sq ft?
[22:06:15] <PetefromTn_> more like 700 actually
[22:06:24] <zeeshan|2> nice manm
[22:06:27] <zeeshan|2> thats lots of space!
[22:06:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is not bad for a garage shop
[22:06:47] <PetefromTn_> that is one big worry I have
[22:06:50] <zeeshan|2> mine is 20x20
[22:06:51] <PetefromTn_> if we sell
[22:07:02] <PetefromTn_> I will be lucky to find one close to that size in Florida
[22:07:09] <zeeshan|2> how come
[22:07:22] <zeeshan|2> btw pete i couldnt take a video
[22:07:22] <PetefromTn_> well I should say in my price range anyway
[22:07:23] <zeeshan|2> no patience
[22:07:24] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/HoRteCP.jpg
[22:07:40] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/y6dJ0I2.jpg
[22:07:49] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/WgtRS5x.jpg
[22:07:51] <zeeshan|2> fresh off the mill
[22:08:05] <zeeshan|2> property is expensive in florida?
[22:08:05] <PetefromTn_> not bad at all man
[22:08:18] <PetefromTn_> no not terribly
[22:08:25] <PetefromTn_> at least not where we are going anyway
[22:08:40] <zeeshan|2> ah
[22:08:40] <PetefromTn_> I am really diggin' the mudders I got for my wife's trooper LOL
[22:08:42] <zeeshan|2> where are you going
[22:08:51] <PetefromTn_> Port Saint Lucie Florida
[22:09:02] <PetefromTn_> about an hour north of Palm Beach
[22:10:11] * zeeshan|2 googles
[22:10:28] <zeeshan|2> holy cow
[22:10:33] <zeeshan|2> thats really south!
[22:10:34] <zeeshan|2> and warm :p
[22:10:53] <zeeshan|2> looks gorgeous
[22:10:56] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Are you moving?
[22:11:01] <PetefromTn_> Oh man it is SOOOO Pretty there.
[22:11:08] <PetefromTn_> look up jensen beach
[22:11:45] <PetefromTn_> os1r1s we are if we sell our house..got a bit of a low ball offer today so we are going to counter offer and see how it goes. Also showing the house to another interested party tomorrow afternoon.
[22:11:46] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:11:49] <zeeshan|2> ther is a nude beach there
[22:12:04] <os1r1s> Port St Lucie is beautiful. I've been there
[22:12:15] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i hope your mill doesnt sink in the swamp!
[22:12:39] <zeeshan|2> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/f2/19/8af2191416c6878d94963a535ba1849c.jpg
[22:12:41] <PetefromTn_> http://heronfla.com/img/jensen-beach-causeway.jpg
[22:12:42] <zeeshan|2> i really like this kind of water
[22:12:49] <zeeshan|2> where you dont necessairly hjave to swim
[22:12:50] <zeeshan|2> but can walk around
[22:13:42] <PetefromTn_> http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/dc/a4/dc/conchy-joe-s-seafood.jpg I used to work here as a kid LOL
[22:14:44] <PetefromTn_> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/19/7a/bc/197abc1fdeb87d7c0145899d551bef22.jpg this is bathtub reef beach where we used to go swimming a lot
[22:15:13] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: is there jobs there?
[22:15:48] <PetefromTn_> my wife used to work in the hospital system there and has a great rep there and they are looking for people right now so she is probably gonna be fine
[22:16:21] <PetefromTn_> I can do cabinet work, CNC machining work, manual machining work, Fabrication/tig welding work etc. etc. so I am sure I will find something
[22:16:33] <PetefromTn_> plus I do work for myself at home with my own machines
[22:16:41] <PetefromTn_> so yeah I think we will be fine.
[22:16:47] <zeeshan|2> for you i understand
[22:16:49] <zeeshan|2> but iwas wondering for wife
[22:16:56] <PetefromTn_> I have a lot of friends down there
[22:17:00] <PetefromTn_> and family too
[22:17:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah Dacia is a fantastic nurse
[22:17:12] <zeeshan|2> how the heck did you end up tin Tn?!?!
[22:17:26] <PetefromTn_> she gets excellent reviews and raises all the time LOL
[22:17:47] <PetefromTn_> well my mother married a fellow from Kentucky that lived here in Maryville years ago
[22:17:55] <PetefromTn_> and we came up to visist a few times
[22:18:11] <PetefromTn_> it is really beautiful here in the mountains actually
[22:18:22] <PetefromTn_> the Great Smoky Mountains National park is amazing
[22:18:24] <zeeshan|2> i love mountains!!
[22:18:34] <PetefromTn_> so we decided to move here about 15 years ago
[22:19:05] <PetefromTn_> I have not really ever regretted that decision honestly but I DO want to move back to Florida I love the beach and the weather.
[22:19:27] <PetefromTn_> I am NOT a cold person I like being warm ;)
[22:19:59] <zeeshan|2> nice
[22:20:06] <zeeshan|2> yea im not sure if i could give up mountains
[22:20:38] <zeeshan|2> but warm weather is also just as good
[22:20:45] <zeeshan|2> maybe move to arizona :P
[22:22:01] <PetefromTn_> well I grew up in South florida
[22:22:19] <PetefromTn_> as a kid I was either snorkeling, diving, surfing, or boating somewhere
[22:22:31] <PetefromTn_> I absolutely love the ocean
[22:22:52] <PetefromTn_> I love catching massive fish that you can actually eat and that taste good
[22:23:25] <PetefromTn_> my grandfather and I used to catch Snappers, Groupers, Mahi Mahi, Kingfish, Spanish Mackerel, etc etc all the time
[22:23:37] <PetefromTn_> our freezer was always stuffed with fresh fish
[22:23:52] <PetefromTn_> we would go catch blue crabs and go clamming in the flats
[22:24:24] <PetefromTn_> I also love going down to the keys for the weekend we did that quite often when we lived there
[22:24:43] <PetefromTn_> and of course there is Orlando and Disney and all the theme parks just about an hour or so north of us.
[22:24:58] <PetefromTn_> Hard not to like ;)
[22:27:19] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[22:28:50] <PetefromTn_> but we have certainly enjoyed camping in the mountains and tubing down the rivers here as well as four wheeling and hiking so I have been fortunate to live in two beautiful places. hehe
[22:46:21] <Meduza> anyone that have succeeded with installing LinuxCNC on a Asus J1800I-A motherboard, i have a hard time to get it to boot from a USB stick?
[22:56:29] <bobo__> hay Pete just read the good news , hope you are homeless soon. was wondering if you might think about desigening and solling a Tat cart ? could also include popcorn an hot dogs.
[22:56:41] <bobo__> also
[22:57:39] <bobo__> might come up with a trailer to haul the cart to the beaches
[22:59:15] <bobo__> mayby a trailer and hitch that would work on a Lambo. what do you think
[23:02:50] <bobo__> Lambo = Lamborghini seems as if the young movers and shakers are trying to figur out how to pay for their lambo
[23:07:39] <PetefromTn_> hell I would be happy with a little sportscar you can keep the lambo LOL
[23:08:36] <PetefromTn_> https://www.kauffmantire.net/prodimg/goodyear-wrangler-duratrc-group-large.png Got some of these bad boys for the wife's trooper today ;) I think I wanna trade cars now
[23:16:59] <bobo__> so are we going to be allowed to come by and visit ? we = Mr Jymmm an Mr zeeshan an me with the cat an others
[23:17:50] <PetefromTn_> well I dunno Jymm kinda scares the shit outta me to be honest ;)
[23:18:02] <Jymmm> Boo
[23:18:17] <PetefromTn_> woah ya see he scared me again
[23:18:37] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: So, you homeless or what?
[23:18:40] <zeeshan|2> bobo :O
[23:18:53] <zeeshan|2> i will never allow Jymmm to visit :D
[23:18:54] <PetefromTn_> workin' on it :D
[23:19:08] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Got a bid?
[23:19:11] <PetefromTn_> we had an offer on the house a bit lowball
[23:19:20] <PetefromTn_> so we are going to counter offer tomorrow
[23:19:28] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Congrats, hope it pans out
[23:19:30] <PetefromTn_> hopefully we can meet somewhere in the middle
[23:19:38] <PetefromTn_> thanks man we are hoping so
[23:19:55] <PetefromTn_> at the end of the day it is gonna be tight no matter how it goes for us
[23:20:26] <PetefromTn_> getting the house sold, paying to move all our schtuff down there and finding a new home that is suitable for our price is gonna be a bitch for sure
[23:20:36] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: tents in florida are cheap
[23:20:59] <PetefromTn_> was just looking on realtor .com at the homes available in our price range luckily there seems to be quite a few decent looking ones.
[23:21:28] <bobo__> could you ask ssi about temp storing stuff and mach's around his area
[23:21:44] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Just get there (FL), rent someplace cheap and then you'll have time to breath while looking for a new home
[23:21:57] <PetefromTn_> Jymm that is certainly an option
[23:22:23] <PetefromTn_> I don't really want to spend too much time storing the machines somewhere tho that gets expensive.
[23:22:34] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: No streesing because you're feeling rushed, etc
[23:22:44] <PetefromTn_> it would be nice tho
[23:22:52] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: get a shipping container maybe?
[23:23:05] <PetefromTn_> I don't think the cinci would fit in one
[23:23:06] <Jymmm> find some yard to store it in
[23:23:26] <Jymmm> buy two 20ft continers
[23:23:35] <Jymmm> put house stuff in there too
[23:23:48] <Jymmm> just ideas
[23:23:53] <PetefromTn_> sure
[23:24:21] <PetefromTn_> If they accept our counter offer I am going to have a TON of stuff to do and figure out
[23:24:37] <Jymmm> you half packed already?
[23:24:39] <PetefromTn_> we also have a showing tomorrow for another realtor
[23:24:44] <PetefromTn_> hell no LOL
[23:24:57] <bobo__> could you rent a semi trailer ? ask ssi
[23:24:58] <PetefromTn_> we have not even started packing yet because we don't have it sold yet.
[23:25:15] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: how will you move the mill?
[23:25:32] <PetefromTn_> It would be nice to be able to pay a pro to move the machine down there at least the Cinci
[23:25:39] <zeeshan|2> prolly expensive
[23:25:55] <PetefromTn_> but I was thinking of doing it myself and renting someones dually and a flatbed trailer or something
[23:25:55] <zeeshan|2> howd you get it to your place?
[23:26:05] <PetefromTn_> it was not far away
[23:26:07] <bobo__> zeeshans mach moving co
[23:26:17] <zeeshan|2> bobo__: dont mention mach
[23:26:18] <zeeshan|2> thank u
[23:26:23] <PetefromTn_> I paid a rollback wrecker to move it
[23:26:27] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Not machinery, but it would have been cheaper for us to have a company move our shit instead of renting a 26f truck like we did AND had to make two trips.
[23:26:27] <zeeshan|2> i hate anything with tor
[23:26:29] <zeeshan|2> or mach in it
[23:26:30] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:26:31] <PetefromTn_> only cost me like 75 bucks LOL
[23:26:38] <zeeshan|2> lol PetefromTn_nice
[23:26:57] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/4IgJKzy.jpg
[23:27:00] <zeeshan|2> like my setup?
[23:27:54] <PetefromTn_> looks fine to me but I figured you would be doing a two sided setup and then rotate 90the other way for the holes
[23:28:28] <bobo__> zeeshan hope to see a Y-Tube on how you digitized that
[23:28:48] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this was less machining time
[23:28:51] <zeeshan|2> but more setup
[23:29:29] <zeeshan|2> if only i had an overarm for the mikron :(
[23:29:43] <PetefromTn_> if you only had a five axis ;)
[23:29:47] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[23:30:37] <bobo__> ask sync about a overarm ?
[23:30:41] <PetefromTn_> I just need a nice 3/2/2 in PSL hopefully with a pool for a decent price LOL
[23:30:55] <zeeshan|2> 3/2/2?
[23:31:29] <bobo__> the Euro is about $1.09 or less
[23:31:32] <PetefromTn_> 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 2 car garage LOL
[23:31:41] <zeeshan|2> ah
[23:31:51] <PetefromTn_> 4/3/2 would work too LOL
[23:32:50] <PetefromTn_> would be sweet to find a house with a nice big shop behind it too hehehe
[23:34:27] <PetefromTn_> well I better get my butt to bed got a big day tomorrow. Crossing fingers here. Good night folks!
[23:36:55] <zeeshan|2> good luck!
[23:38:00] <bobo__> zeeshan how did the job interagation go ? worth while or just some HR looking to kick tires
[23:38:33] <zeeshan|2> not sure bobo
[23:38:35] <zeeshan|2> havent heard abck
[23:38:44] <zeeshan|2> but my current work is opening a full time position that im interested in
[23:39:00] <zeeshan|2> the place i went to, took 3 weeks to call me for a second interview
[23:39:03] <bobo__> go for it
[23:39:04] <zeeshan|2> so im not sure whats up :P
[23:40:04] <bobo__> eation ? will be around for a while
[23:40:30] <bobo__> who knows about others
[23:41:52] <zeeshan|2> thats true :P
[23:41:55] <zeeshan|2> i do like eaton
[23:42:07] <zeeshan|2> just wish the work had more calculations :P
[23:42:10] <zeeshan|2> and strength analysis
[23:44:56] <zeeshan|2> its quiet in here :P
[23:45:30] <bobo__> yes - well you have seen how the grass always seems greener on the wrong side of the fence so to say
[23:46:58] <bobo__> and I say that green grass always has the crap mowed out of it
[23:48:48] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:59:19] <bobo__> zeeshn what's doing with your friend's deckel ? spindle still not working ?