#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-01-18

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[02:12:24] <Deejay> moin
[02:15:14] <XXCoder> hey
[02:15:45] <XXCoder> acorns. https://youtu.be/cZkAP-CQlhA
[02:17:59] <Deejay> yeah
[02:18:11] <Deejay> winter stock :)
[02:18:33] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:18:41] <XXCoder> heh I laughed so much with this http://distractify.com/humor/2016/01/16/jake-political-dino-debate
[02:18:45] <XXCoder> they used wrong captons.
[02:34:33] <maxcnc> Norning from a Arctic Germany
[02:34:39] <maxcnc> -15degC
[02:34:59] <XXCoder> 40f here
[02:35:02] <XXCoder> been warming up
[02:35:12] <maxcnc> 5F
[02:35:19] <CaptHindsight> -20C here :)
[02:36:29] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: did you also get lots of snow?
[02:37:32] <maxcnc> no
[02:38:52] <CaptHindsight> no mail today. holiday
[02:40:32] <Deejay> -15C? where are you, maxcnc
[02:40:42] <Deejay> -7C here
[02:40:45] <maxcnc> Zweibrücken
[02:41:14] <Deejay> ah, down there :)
[02:44:49] <maxcnc> lets say in the middle level
[02:45:05] <maxcnc> down there its below -20
[02:45:41] <Deejay> i am happy to have some negative temps here
[02:57:43] <pink_vampire> hi
[03:03:19] <maxcnc> ;-)
[03:03:34] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: how cold or hot is it at your place
[03:04:58] <pink_vampire> I run away from the cold.. so it's just rain here all the time
[03:05:15] <maxcnc> till later eveniung MEZ got to work shop heading up
[03:14:44] <XXCoder> hey nightstalker
[03:50:14] <beikeland> Finally transitioned my chinese 3040 cnc from the less than legal Mach3 it came with to linuxcnc. Happy! Having issues with my ssh(putty) session crashing when running a remote X server.
[03:50:29] <XXCoder> nice
[03:50:33] <beikeland> is this the up-to-date docs on running multiple clients? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Running_Multiple_User_Interfaces
[03:51:30] <beikeland> I'm ok with possibly loosing my connection, but how do i reconnect to the running instance?
[03:52:13] <XXCoder> good question
[03:52:23] <XXCoder> isnt putty has previous session connection?
[03:53:05] <beikeland> putty crashes, so the ssh session dies. no reconnect there. But when starting up linuxcnc it says its already running
[03:53:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:53:31] <XXCoder> I seem to remember something about setting putty to connect to previous sesson
[03:53:35] <XXCoder> but I cant remember more
[03:54:22] <beikeland> the session is lost when putty crashes afaik. all process not started with nohup or inside screen etc should be gone
[03:54:32] <XXCoder> oh hmm ok
[03:55:12] <beikeland> but a two gui setup would be nice. having a local display at the machine, and using laptop to work comfortably
[03:55:26] <XXCoder> wow not bad http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160116-3d-printed-micrometer-can-measure-down-to-five-thousandths-of-an-inch.html
[03:55:41] <XXCoder> whats wrong with linux built in remote view
[03:56:08] <archivist> beikeland, see what Loetmichel is doing
[04:05:43] <beikeland> found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_ChO1AKYY&index=31&list=UUOaGDe3K-LTEd2EFVpgBEMQ shows hes doing just about the same. But not so much on how to achieve it
[04:12:46] <archivist> he should be in later
[04:19:18] <beikeland> still have a lot of forum digging left to do; i'll check back later
[06:49:53] <orangey_> Hello all!!!!
[06:59:20] <XXCoder> hey
[06:59:33] <XXCoder> http://www.3dsystems.com/3d-printers/production/prox-dmp-320 dang
[06:59:37] <XXCoder> expensive I bet
[07:00:41] <Jymmm> $10 + shipping
[07:01:00] <XXCoder> thats price for quote
[07:03:10] <Jymmm> No, that's to ship you the hotgluegun I'd sell you
[07:03:18] <XXCoder> lol
[07:03:29] <XXCoder> though its pretty cool it can pribnt titanium
[07:04:47] <malcom2073> titanium-ish
[07:09:33] <XXCoder> whats difference
[07:15:19] <Jymmm> I believe it's powdered ti being glued together instead of solid ti
[07:17:11] <archivist> sintered
[07:19:45] <malcom2073> Yeah either glue or sintered
[07:20:04] <malcom2073> I've heard of some that glue, then partially melt or some sort of thing
[07:20:25] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:20:32] <archivist> some other metal could be used for the "glue"
[07:20:37] <XXCoder> would it be able to be fused via kiln or something after?
[07:20:56] <archivist> yes sintering involves a kiln
[07:21:59] <XXCoder> so result is solid ti object?
[07:22:35] <Jymmm> As solid as a cream pie!
[07:22:43] <Jymmm> (dont listen to me)
[07:23:36] <archivist> no a mixture of two metals
[07:23:56] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:24:53] <malcom2073> solidish
[07:25:07] <malcom2073> archivist: DMLS
[07:25:15] <malcom2073> Uses lasers to melt the titanium powder, and counts as sintering
[07:25:28] <malcom2073> DLMS? Dunno, whichever
[07:25:57] <archivist> direct laser melting sinterring
[07:26:11] <archivist> or other buzz words to suit
[07:29:51] <XXCoder> Moving forward, the marketplace has changed. Re-imagine horizontally or empower.
[07:30:03] <XXCoder> gonna love buzzword generator
[07:36:59] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I don't know what to do! Should I reimagine horizontally, or should I empower?
[07:37:04] <malcom2073> So confusing! :P
[07:37:35] <XXCoder> gonna love buzzword comment. it has almost no content. almost like cotton candy, almost nothing but air inside
[07:48:00] <Meduza> anyone know if there is uefi support in the latest 2.7 image?
[07:54:45] <Meduza> malcom2073: if you want to buy a dmls printer i have one for sale cheap? ;)
[07:54:56] <malcom2073> Hah, "cheap" for a dmls isn't affordable to me :P
[07:56:05] <Meduza> Well, only asking 6500€ plus shipping? :)
[07:56:15] <malcom2073> Hah!
[07:56:46] <Meduza> It is 10+ years old tough and has been in storage for a while
[07:56:55] <malcom2073> Yeahno.
[07:56:56] <malcom2073> :P
[07:57:20] <malcom2073> You're about... 50x over my price limit for additive technologies :P
[07:57:38] <Meduza> Haha :p
[07:58:27] <Meduza> I belive i have about that much worth at home right now in FFF and SLA machines... :p
[07:58:52] <Meduza> Two Ultimaker 2+ and one Formlabs Form 1+
[08:00:30] <Meduza> On the other hand, i work for the scandinavian ultimaker and formlabs distributor, so it is quite work related
[08:00:38] <Meduza> :p
[08:01:54] <Meduza> malcom2073: that DMLS was a impulse buy by some of the guys at our local makerspace, but we did not realize what you need to run one of those
[08:02:10] <malcom2073> I hear the powder is a bit expensive to get
[08:02:26] <malcom2073> That's a hell of a rich pocket book to make that kind of an impulse buy :P
[08:02:45] <Meduza> Yes it is, we got about 100+ kg powder with it also
[08:02:57] <Meduza> Probably 200kg
[08:03:32] <XXCoder> Meduza: metal printer? and someone just bought one for fun?
[08:03:42] <Meduza> XXCoder: yep
[08:03:47] <XXCoder> jeez. lol
[08:04:26] <Meduza> Someone = quickly crowsfunded in our Facebook group with about 30 people
[08:04:31] <XXCoder> so besides powder what did it?
[08:04:33] <XXCoder> *need
[08:05:07] <Meduza> Separate room with filtered underpressure ventilation
[08:05:18] <Meduza> A lot of compressed clean air
[08:05:38] <Meduza> Water cooling
[08:05:59] <XXCoder> jeez
[08:06:04] <Meduza> 20A 3ph power
[08:06:36] <Meduza> It is about 2 meter wide, 80 cm deep and 180cm high
[08:06:56] <Meduza> Weighs in at a few hundred kilos
[08:07:13] <XXCoder> it'd be amazing machine for some uses.
[08:07:20] <XXCoder> though how much was it heh'
[08:07:37] <Meduza> We paid about 6500€
[08:08:01] <Meduza> New it did cost more like 120000€ from what i have heard
[08:08:09] <XXCoder> thats not too bad actually but would need more money for setting up envorment for it.
[08:08:26] <XXCoder> why not just build a mini room in room for it
[08:08:45] <XXCoder> other 2 factors dunno
[08:08:52] <Meduza> For once, we cant get it into our space :p
[08:09:00] <Meduza> It is too big
[08:09:21] <Meduza> And we are in a basement, so no easy solution
[08:09:51] <XXCoder> I guess you guys was wishing you guys did more research
[08:09:55] <Meduza> Air is actually solvable, we have a 7.5kW rotary vane compressor in the space already
[08:10:16] <Meduza> Ventilation... Expensive
[08:10:31] <Meduza> Yep XXCoder, we should have made more research
[08:11:03] <XXCoder> vent isnt too bad, just build mini room and properly vent it. its not like it needs huge room
[08:11:12] <XXCoder> water cooling dunno
[08:11:30] <XXCoder> maybe grab few car radators and cool water via it heh
[08:11:35] <XXCoder> with fans
[08:11:55] <Meduza> Just connect it to tap water :p
[08:12:15] <Meduza> That works for testing purposes
[08:12:20] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:12:49] <Meduza> But we probably wont even try to set it up
[08:13:01] <Meduza> Right now we are trying to sell it
[08:13:33] <XXCoder> cool. good luck.
[08:13:35] <Meduza> If noone buys it, we will just gut it for nice parts and drive the rest to the dump
[08:14:02] <_methods> ouch
[08:14:07] <_methods> expensive scrap experience
[08:14:12] <Meduza> It got a pretty sweet RF excited 200w laser inside... ;)
[08:14:25] <XXCoder> make a laser cnc out of it
[08:14:59] <Meduza> We already have a 100w laser cutter, but we could upgrade it with more laser power
[08:15:45] <Meduza> The galvo head could make for a really good laser marker tough
[08:16:26] <Meduza> There is also some dream of using the build chamber to build a sls nylon printer instead
[08:16:47] <Meduza> Should be much easier to run than metal
[08:18:58] <archivist> move to basement in bits
[08:19:56] <Sync> hm, 200W is actually not that much
[08:20:21] <XXCoder> tons of 500w and more at chinsecrap website
[08:20:31] <XXCoder> 500w probably really 50w though
[08:20:34] <Meduza> archivist: welded outer shell, so that means sawing stuff apart
[08:21:02] <XXCoder> teleportion then
[08:21:05] <XXCoder> or ask doctor who
[08:21:08] <XXCoder> heh
[08:21:43] <Meduza> XXCoder, sync: there is a distinct difference between co2 glass tube lasers and co2 RF excited lasers
[08:22:03] <XXCoder> ah yea as I was thinking basic laser diode
[08:22:12] <Meduza> The former only lasts a few thousand hours or a few years
[08:22:38] <Meduza> And is only scrap afterwards, like a light bulb
[08:23:26] <Meduza> RF excited last for tens of thousand of hours, have better stability and beam quality
[08:23:52] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[08:24:04] <maxcnc> frozen waterpipe
[08:24:06] <Meduza> And can be refilled and serviced for a fraction of what a new laser cost and be resöused
[08:24:17] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:24:34] <XXCoder> I dont get why co2 laser wears though
[08:24:39] <XXCoder> isnt it glass tube and stuff?
[08:24:48] <XXCoder> using co2 and power to pump laser
[08:24:51] <Meduza> XXCoder: a 200W laser diode btw, that are not that common...
[08:25:04] <Sync> Meduza: I used to work with lasers ;)
[08:25:10] <Sync> 200W diodes are very common
[08:25:11] <XXCoder> plenty og 500w and more laser diodes at aliexpress
[08:25:22] <XXCoder> I think highest I saw was 1500w
[08:25:33] <Sync> replacing RF heads everywhere
[08:25:34] <XXCoder> probably actual 150w though lol
[08:25:50] <XXCoder> Meduza: what wears co2 laser tubes?
[08:26:04] <Meduza> Sync: if you are talking about pump diodes, absolutely
[08:26:32] <Meduza> Sync: not that common to use them directly to cut stuff
[08:27:06] <Meduza> Except in semiconductor industry if i am not mistaken
[08:27:34] <Meduza> XXCoder: one thing is that they leak, then i also belive that the electrodes wear
[08:27:44] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:27:55] <XXCoder> someone built one out of glass tube and abs tube
[08:29:27] <Sync> well, traditionally engravers or thin sheet cutters used rf co2 or nd:yag
[08:29:45] <Sync> and those are getting replaced with high powered diode fed fiber lasers
[08:33:57] <maxcnc> Nd:YAG-Laser are cool to engrave inside glas
[08:35:00] <Meduza> Sync: fiber lasers are pumped by diodes, it is not the diode laser that actually does the cutting, right?
[08:35:43] <Meduza> Since you cannot usually get that good beam quality out of a high power laser diode
[08:35:58] <Meduza> Especially diode bars
[08:36:39] <Sync> well mostly, but I have seen a lot of direct diode applications
[08:37:09] <Sync> my 160W laser came out of a plastics welder
[08:38:21] <Meduza> Ok, i have mostly seen 808nm fiber coupled high power lasers, but those are quite worthless for cutting stuff since it does not absorb well in most materials
[08:38:54] <Meduza> Only thing i have seen them used is medical, like hair removal
[08:44:41] <maxcnc> Meduza: you can make money by opening a shop beside a tatooo studio
[08:44:59] <maxcnc> lots of people dont like thairs
[08:56:14] <maxcnc> thesaint: germany ?
[09:05:26] <MrSunshine> gaah ... this frekkin machine i tell you .. so ive indicated the ballscrew so its straight with the linear rails ... and checked so the block screws down flat on the holder for the ballnut, still it binds up in some places ... gets realy choppy and hard to turn :/
[09:07:58] <archivist> is it the nut on the screw, is the table at an angle etc
[09:08:19] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: maybe post us some pics of the setup
[09:08:42] <CaptHindsight> save time describing what is happening
[09:09:41] <archivist> some cable involved iirc
[09:09:44] <_methods> are the rail parallel
[09:11:00] <_methods> parallel and level to each other
[09:11:56] <_methods> and pics like CaptHindsight said are helpful
[09:13:38] <MrSunshine> _methods: ah .. true that .. didnt think of that that would put quite a bind on the nut if they twist =)
[09:13:45] <_methods> yes
[09:13:54] <MrSunshine> gah i so want to build a new machine :/
[09:13:54] <_methods> i would check the rails first
[09:14:17] <_methods> usually the ballscrew and nut are more tolerant of misalignment than the rails and cars
[09:14:32] <MrSunshine> the rails does not bind as its open V groove bearings
[09:14:42] <MrSunshine> even if misaligned they roll just as fine :P
[09:14:47] <_methods> oh
[09:15:24] <archivist> yes but you have a cable system on it for squareness?
[09:15:27] <_methods> your wording made me thing you were using real linear rails
[09:15:32] <MrSunshine> but it would put preasure on the screw if they are not parallel and twisting
[09:15:54] <archivist> is the binding directional
[09:16:15] <MrSunshine> not realy
[09:16:20] <CaptHindsight> now I really want to see the pics :)
[09:16:22] <MrSunshine> archivist: yes but htis axis does not have cable system =)
[09:16:24] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: :P
[09:17:48] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1451407_10151976406793648_986354351_n.jpg?oh=6716a8191297bb6cda8d0740cb8b3dca&oe=573593C7 that shows the screw atleast =)
[09:18:06] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/1535676_10152153395773648_67449016_n.jpg?oh=5880a7a1f363310572a1586dc326f5e3&oe=573B8168
[09:18:43] <archivist> is the screw truly parallel with the rail
[09:19:18] <_methods> is that the problem axis?
[09:19:33] <_methods> the axis with the spindle mounted on it?
[09:19:36] <MrSunshine> checked it as far as i can as the screw wobbles a little little :/ within a couple of hundreths of a mm
[09:19:47] <MrSunshine> _methods: not up and down .. the long axis in the first image
[09:19:52] <MrSunshine> X axis
[09:19:59] <_methods> the full length of the table axis?
[09:20:13] <_methods> or the axis that's carrying the spindle
[09:20:26] <MrSunshine> the one in the first, that is full table length yes =)
[09:20:47] <_methods> well i see 3 axii in both images lol
[09:20:51] <MrSunshine> ffs
[09:20:55] <MrSunshine> left to right in the image
[09:20:57] <MrSunshine> first image
[09:21:13] <_methods> the longest axis?
[09:21:20] <MrSunshine> ffs
[09:21:30] <MrSunshine> THE ONE GOING FROM THE LEFT TO RIGHT OF THE IMAGE
[09:21:41] <MrSunshine> and yes it covers almost the whole image
[09:21:50] <_methods> ok good luck
[09:21:57] <archivist> the axis moving the head across the gantry
[09:43:57] <malcom2073> MrSunshine: You sure the thickness of the rail the vgroove runs on doesn't change?
[09:44:13] <malcom2073> Rather: Does it run perfectly smooth without the ballscrew connected?
[09:44:23] <MrSunshine> no :/ alot of stuff i realy should check on that machine :/
[09:44:45] <MrSunshine> i wish i had the money to buy linear rails and steel for a new machine .. this one is crap :P
[09:46:13] <malcom2073> You should be able to make it work alright
[09:46:47] <malcom2073> If it runs smooth with the ballscrew disconnected, I'd check to see the straightness of the carriage in relation to the ballscrew without the nut connected, could be the flat steel piece if warped in a weird way
[11:41:34] <Loetmichel> beikeland: i am back home... i used VNC for the remote desktop and VLC on both ends for encoding and streaming and decoding the Endoscope-cam
[11:44:26] <beikeland> Loetmichel ah; i see. was hoping to skip vnc; but i'll give it a go and see how it performs
[11:45:25] <Loetmichel> beikeland: my system in the company (whre that video was from) is a dualcore Athlon with 3ghz... nothing fast or fancy
[11:45:58] <Loetmichel> and it has enough oomph to do the linuxCNC stuff, encode the video AND do the VNC encoding and STILL have some cpu free ;)
[11:46:46] <Loetmichel> only thing: the video has about half a second lag for encoding... thats kinda irritating for the "emergency stop fuction" ;)
[11:55:59] <FloppyDisk> I need to cut down a 24" 304SS 0.5" rod to 18" and tap each end 1/4"-20.
[11:56:33] <FloppyDisk> Does not have to be 'too straight' for the taps. Any issues doing it by hand?
[11:56:42] <FloppyDisk> Need to drill tap about 1" deep.
[11:56:58] <beikeland> don't have beefy hardware, was thinking to do video on a seperate host, cheap wifi router with usb or something. but i'll give vnc a go. suppose i can use xserver for previews and switch to vnc for cutting to avoid issues if the connection drops
[11:57:21] <Erant> FloppyDisk: Not even a drill press?
[11:57:33] <Erant> Doing that by hand is... iffy.
[11:58:53] <FloppyDisk> I have a bridgeport type mill...
[11:59:19] <FloppyDisk> I wasn't sure how to chuck it up vertically because it's so long? I guess off the side/back of the table?
[12:00:00] <malcom2073> Man, a bridgeport 90 degree spindle adapter went at auction really cheap over this weekend heh
[12:00:04] <malcom2073> Would be perfect for that sort of thing
[12:00:18] <FloppyDisk> I have some other 'side' type things that would have been nice...
[12:00:53] <FloppyDisk> I see the advantages of a horizontal mill for many operations.
[12:04:05] <archivist> lathe for this op :)
[12:04:31] <FloppyDisk> yup.
[12:04:36] <FloppyDisk> Don't have one.
[12:04:50] <FloppyDisk> Might have access, need to ask around.
[12:04:56] <archivist> what!, should be the first tool :)
[12:05:27] <FloppyDisk> not mill as first tool? :-)
[12:05:49] <FloppyDisk> I have way less round parts as I do flat...
[12:05:58] <archivist> depends what you make
[12:06:03] <FloppyDisk> agreed.
[12:06:27] <archivist> I use a lather more often than a mill
[12:06:31] <archivist> lathe
[12:08:12] <FloppyDisk> What's the best way to cut the 0.5" 304SS rod? I have a band saw (HF 4x6) and a cut-off saw for steel...
[12:08:31] <FloppyDisk> I suppose if I had a lathe, I cut off that way...
[12:17:12] <beikeland> Loetmichel: is there a preferred vnc flavour perhaps?
[12:37:03] <maxcnc> Hi
[12:37:53] <Frank__> Hi max
[12:38:21] <maxcnc> ;-)
[12:40:55] <Loetmichel> beikeland: i used xvnc iirc.
[12:41:07] <Loetmichel> and an ultraVNC client on the Windows side
[12:41:47] <Loetmichel> beikeland: if you whish i can check tomorrow at the company. i am already home so i cant look now
[12:44:12] <beikeland> Loetmichel: is okay, i'll play with it a little. on windows my prefered client is already ultravnc.
[12:44:52] <beikeland> having issues with driver for 2nd pci parallel card, might find an exuse for an upgrade in any case :P
[13:03:32] <Loetmichel> beikeland: and its REALLY relaxing to sit at the workbench OUTSIDE the machine shop and look at the machine finishing a job while playing some games ;)
[13:03:41] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15889&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[13:03:42] <Loetmichel> :-)
[13:04:28] <Magnifikus> finally got the gmoccapy 800x600 conversion done .)
[13:04:44] <CaptHindsight> Magnifikus: what did you convert?
[13:04:49] <Magnifikus> the glade
[13:05:03] <Magnifikus> and slimmed the spindle control down to on/off
[13:05:33] <Magnifikus> gmocappy :P
[13:05:49] <Magnifikus> no gmoccapy was right
[13:05:54] <Magnifikus> confuses me all the time
[13:06:13] <CaptHindsight> close enough
[13:06:46] <Magnifikus> when borred i will make the gamepad jogging with increments
[13:06:53] <Magnifikus> but thats alot of hal wires
[13:07:14] <beikeland> Loetmichel: yeah, thats more or less the goal, and i used remote desktop with mach3 before (but the license that came with the machine wasn't entirely legal..)
[13:08:16] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: is it a Xbox
[13:08:25] <Magnifikus> noo :P
[13:08:52] <maxcnc> shoudt i paste a xbox hal
[13:09:11] <Magnifikus> eh its an thrustmaster 2x analog, dpad and some buttons
[13:09:16] <maxcnc> to give you more input
[13:09:37] <Magnifikus> yeah why not :)
[13:10:01] <maxcnc> why dnt you go for a xhb04
[13:10:06] <maxcnc> more pro
[13:10:13] <maxcnc> then gamepad
[13:10:18] <Magnifikus> yeah its 120 and not 14,95
[13:10:37] <Loetmichel> beikeland: chinese Drivers?
[13:10:39] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[13:11:25] <Magnifikus> haha the china drivers with mach3 license on the little cd
[13:11:28] <Loetmichel> btw: sadly the Laptop at the company cant play Elite any more... no DX11 GPU in that thing...
[13:11:58] <Loetmichel> and i am to cheap to shell out another 600 eur for a newer one that still fits on the Docking station...
[13:11:58] <beikeland> Loetmichel: stepper drivers were swiftly replaced with a g540, after that its been okay - apart from not loving the pirated mach3
[13:12:15] <maxcnc> http://pastebin.com/zY2xLyW9
[13:12:17] <Magnifikus> maxcnc, we started with china drivers, rpi + pic32 (picnc v2) and some no name spindle
[13:12:26] <Loetmichel> beikeland: i meant: the drivers came with the pirated mach3 ;)
[13:12:31] <Loetmichel> as usual
[13:12:31] <Magnifikus> now we got an fpga+rpi2, kress spindle and minimal cooling
[13:12:36] <Magnifikus> so upgrading by success
[13:12:45] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: always go one up if budget gets it
[13:12:48] <Loetmichel> or is it such a "cnc6040"
[13:12:50] <Magnifikus> every good part done legimates me for more budged
[13:13:20] <Loetmichel> and yes. the laptop there is my private one
[13:13:22] <Magnifikus> so xhb, bigger touchscreen are on the list for "near" future
[13:13:41] <maxcnc> go for wirerd
[13:13:42] <Magnifikus> "normal" spindle, mesa card are on another list for later
[13:13:58] <maxcnc> 7i76e
[13:14:02] <Magnifikus> or an zynq with ethercat is also tempting
[13:14:19] <beikeland> Loetmichel: yeah, is a cnc3040, but the stepper drivers and spindle are long gone. gecko driver and kress spindle now. the mechanics seems alright
[13:14:21] <maxcnc> mesa ethernet works fine
[13:14:30] <Loetmichel> company boss was to cheap to buy one for the Shop... so i bought 2 cheap used ones as "workshop whores" and a third with a bit of ooomph for my workdesk... out of MY pocket
[13:14:38] <Magnifikus> the current fpga with 32 IO's and 4 axis stepgen was done in 2 hours fpga coding
[13:14:44] <Magnifikus> so not that hard todo
[13:14:51] <beikeland> Magnifikus: fpga+rpi2 is that a diy thing or?
[13:14:55] <Loetmichel> isnt the kress a litttle on the heavy side for a 3040 frame?
[13:14:59] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: You should toss on a coin-mech on them!
[13:15:01] <Magnifikus> yes beikeland
[13:15:13] <Magnifikus> gets you a fullblown control for 70€ :D
[13:15:14] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: coin mech?
[13:15:15] <Magnifikus> +drivers
[13:15:31] <Magnifikus> that i designed myself and cost approx 40€ for 3 with 2amp
[13:15:35] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Like a vending machine, accepts coins to operate/use
[13:15:53] <Magnifikus> and perform better than the china shit
[13:16:15] <maxcnc> china works good if low precision
[13:16:16] <beikeland> Loetmichel: seems alright, has outlived the original spinde that actually broke down, flex shaft snapped
[13:16:38] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: ahhh!
[13:16:39] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: 0.1mm at 5000mm/min no problem on 15Euros
[13:16:45] <Loetmichel> yeah, great idea ;)
[13:17:04] <Magnifikus> got 256µSteps
[13:17:10] <Magnifikus> and can go upto 1mhz step frequency
[13:17:21] <maxcnc> im on half always and gear the mashine
[13:17:33] <Magnifikus> cant modify the machine :D
[13:17:42] <Magnifikus> but with 5mm/rev its fine
[13:17:56] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: the cheap notebooks are only dell latitudes with first generation i3s
[13:17:56] <maxcnc> ballscrew
[13:17:58] <Magnifikus> tried 4000mm/min fast travel
[13:17:59] <Magnifikus> yeah
[13:18:02] <beikeland> Magnifikus: souds nice. i'm alergic to vhdl though :P
[13:18:09] <Magnifikus> its verilog!
[13:18:16] <beikeland> even worse :D
[13:18:16] <Loetmichel> sufficient for the testiting needed in the shop, nothing more
[13:18:18] <Magnifikus> i wrote it first in systemverilog
[13:18:19] <Loetmichel> they were cheap
[13:18:19] <maxcnc> so why not 20/25 timingbelt and 400 steps
[13:18:28] <Magnifikus> and then realized i cant synthesize that for a spartan3
[13:18:28] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: set each coin to be 15 minutes... http://www.ozstick.com.au/wp-content/media/cm02_1.jpg
[13:18:46] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: that gives you 0.01mm/step
[13:18:59] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: kinda counters the "portability" of the notebooks
[13:19:09] <Loetmichel> to be at the place where needed in the shop
[13:19:11] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: luggable =)
[13:19:13] <Magnifikus> maxcnc, 0.025
[13:19:18] <Magnifikus> 5mm/200
[13:19:25] <Magnifikus> but 256 µsteps
[13:20:12] <maxcnc> ugly
[13:20:14] <Loetmichel> also: my company does make military computers... and i ceased to buy tools for the company from my private wallet a while ago... when bosses wife ceased to reimburse...
[13:20:15] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[13:20:26] <Magnifikus> its enough for our alumium parts :P
[13:23:09] <Loetmichel> so the Laptops are the last things that are still my property at the company
[13:23:17] <beikeland> Magnifikus: is the verilog something you're putting up online?
[13:23:25] <Loetmichel> all other stuff is already either reimbursed or taken home.
[13:24:58] <Magnifikus> beikeland, yeah sec
[13:25:19] <Magnifikus> https://github.com/magnifikus/TMC5130FPGA/tree/master/fpga/spartan3_ISE
[13:25:23] <Blumax> Hello
[13:25:31] <Magnifikus> thats a spartan3 slave on SPI
[13:25:32] <Blumax> 3min50 pour faire mon rubik cube :)
[13:25:40] <Magnifikus> but for TMC5130A drivers
[13:25:42] <Blumax> oup, error of chanel :p
[13:29:05] <beikeland> Magnifikus: yeah, saw you're using the spi interface for those. would be nice to loose the bulky pc, but tight budget
[13:38:44] <Magnifikus> problem with the pc is the interface
[13:38:53] <Magnifikus> you need to go pci/pci-e
[13:39:01] <Magnifikus> and then you can just take mesa cards
[13:39:56] <Magnifikus> goal was to make a usable linuxcnc for <150€ including drivers
[13:40:00] <Magnifikus> and that works :)
[13:40:26] <Magnifikus> the current problems rely more on no idea on how to mill and lets break some endmills
[13:41:53] <Magnifikus> but we got a good supply for 3mm single flute endmills now, 1.45€ per piece
[13:42:24] <Magnifikus> takes some stress, after you break a garant one for 30€
[13:58:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321956179029 and will load for free, ready to go
[14:02:29] <enleth> How would I go about checking if my bore gauge that claims to be Mitutoyo actually is one?
[14:07:15] <enleth> For one, the box has the old Mitutoyo logo, the circular three-thinged one with handwriting-like font for name
[14:08:02] <enleth> And the same old logo is formed on the rubber grip of the gauge
[14:08:48] <CaptHindsight> be careful if it is not spelled exactly correct
[14:08:57] <enleth> I think they stopped using this logo long before the market for blatant chinese knockoffs began
[14:09:03] <enleth> It is
[14:09:20] <CaptHindsight> or if it claims to be digital yet made in 1965
[14:09:38] <enleth> I mean, this genuinely looks like the logo Mitutoyo was using until the 60s or something
[14:09:44] <CaptHindsight> you're not going to easily tell a really good copy
[14:09:58] <enleth> And the gauge could be this old
[14:10:35] <CaptHindsight> it's as good as it's accurate, name brand or not
[14:10:55] <enleth> The indicator itself is not Mitutoyo but that's not surprising, they're interchangeable in this style of gauge and I guess it's typical for them to end up paired with a different indicator than they started out with
[14:13:32] <CaptHindsight> send detailed pics to Mitutoyo
[14:13:59] <enleth> Also, the spring-loaded stabilizer thingy on the business end is a completely different style than their modern gauges, knockoff or not
[14:14:18] <CaptHindsight> they are the kind of company that would be into finding old tools
[14:14:32] <enleth> That might work, I guess
[14:15:03] <CaptHindsight> some old timer would probably have story about it, if it's not too old
[14:15:09] <enleth> Oh, and the indicator is mounted in an actual collet, not just a shitty split block with a tightening thumb screw to the side
[14:15:25] <enleth> It's the first time I see a bore gauge with a collet on the indicator end
[14:15:46] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a nice tool either way
[14:16:00] <CaptHindsight> unless it's carved from wood :p
[14:17:55] <enleth> But it lacks 3 spacer rings and one anvil
[14:18:17] <enleth> I have to replace them, especially the rings
[14:22:57] <enleth> Oh, found the name plate that fell off the handle
[14:23:03] <enleth> It's a 511-135p model
[14:25:00] <enleth> There is one on ebay that looks like it, and the part numbers indicated under anvil recesses in the box match actual Mitutoyo part numbers, I don't see any chinese knockoffs printing part numbers in the boxes
[14:25:13] <enleth> It might just as well be genuine
[14:25:47] <enleth> A known good mike suggests it's OK
[14:26:48] <gregcnc> I have a Peacock bore gage and it measures as well as a new Mitutoyo I also have.
[14:28:19] <enleth> OK, I guess I should just contact the local Mitutoyo distributor for the lost anvil and spacers, they can't be THAT expensive and if it's a genuine tool, it's worth getting proper spares
[14:28:22] <gregcnc> I understand the current knock off have signatures printed on the inspection sheet while original Mit. is signed with pen. I'll just pay to buy one from a autorized dealer if it's importnatn
[14:30:11] <enleth> come to think of it, the anvils on a bore gauge are probably one of the few things that don't really affect anything as long as they're not damaged, you zero it in using a mike anyway
[14:31:22] <gregcnc> right, fairly simple mechanism inside. as long as it moves freely they seem to work as well as the indicator.
[14:33:09] <enleth> you're talking about the mechanism
[14:33:21] <enleth> but the anvils themselves - they make even less of a difference
[14:34:14] <enleth> it doesn't even matter how true they actually are to the stated dimension as long as the set you have (with spacers and all) covers the whole range somehow
[14:34:45] <enleth> And the ball is coaxial with the thing and spherical enough to make a single point of contact
[14:34:56] <gregcnc> yeah, the parts in the peacock gage aren't particularly impressive
[14:35:53] <enleth> anyway, I'm a happy owner of a probably-Mitutoyo gauge that cost me like almost nothing
[14:38:05] <gregcnc> Parts will cost more than you expect. I check some anvils for Mitutoyo 3 point gage and it was going to be 50USD each. The guy never shipped from an Ebay auction so I bought new.
[14:38:45] <enleth> But for a 3 point the anvils actually need to be dimensioned properly, right?
[14:39:38] <gregcnc> no, there were threaded and adjustable.
[14:39:54] <gregcnc> 2 p[ieces gave a wide range
[14:40:04] <enleth> huh, interesting
[14:40:16] <enleth> well, the spacers are more important anyway
[14:40:46] <enleth> with one anvil less I'm out the 55-60mm range out of 50-100
[14:41:06] <enleth> 50-150 actually, there's one extended included
[14:41:09] <enleth> *extender
[14:41:20] <enleth> with no spacers I'm out most of the range
[14:41:35] <enleth> except 2mm wide bands every 5mm
[14:42:04] <enleth> or something like this, you get the idea
[14:42:58] <gregcnc> spacers can be made. they are nothing special. the thinnest is stamped steel washer
[14:43:01] <enleth> worst case I'll order the spacers made locally, it can't be that hard to make a 0.5, 1.0 and 3.0mm ground spacers good to 0.01mm
[14:43:43] <gregcnc> mine don't even look ground.
[14:45:24] <enleth> I guess they should be, not to keep a particular thickness but just a uniform thickness
[14:45:59] <enleth> the anvil could be positioned at an angle if the faces of the spacer weren't parallel
[14:46:00] <gregcnc> I don't think it matters. You calibrate every time you put a spacer on.
[14:46:31] <gregcnc> how much would 5° change the reading?
[14:48:23] <_methods> you'd be 1 degree away from kevin bacon
[14:48:29] <enleth> I'd be worried about points of contact not being the same for a flat-faced mike used to calibrate the thing and the concave wall of the bore being measured
[14:48:46] <gregcnc> isngle point contact doesn't care.
[14:55:23] <gregcnc> it's true that a perfectly straight anvil would be most accurate, but I'd check the math to see if it's worth worrying about. You will get more inaccuracy from other sources.
[14:57:01] <enleth> Fair enough
[14:58:06] <gregcnc> on a 50mm bore with a 25mm anvil. a 5°error results in 0.1micron error for 5 micron change in bore.
[14:59:59] <gregcnc> rounded, it's actually 0.05
[15:01:50] <Tom_itx> hah Harrison Ford was in town over the weekend
[15:02:28] <Tom_itx> alot of em come in for flight training etc
[15:16:09] <Sync> Magnifikus: breaking a 30€ endmill is not too bad, when you break custom tooling costing more than 500€ per shot it hurts a lot more
[15:16:48] <Magnifikus> that garant thingy, filigran 3mm single flute
[15:16:57] <Magnifikus> broke faster than the 1,45€ thingies
[15:24:09] <CaptHindsight> http://ibin.co/2TvB9K8mrWaq if this tool holder has a 4"projection is this the 4"?
[15:24:37] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/2TvB9K8mrWaq
[15:27:51] <Tom_itx> it would seem so yes
[15:28:22] <Tom_itx> cat40?
[15:28:34] <Tom_itx> is about 4ish long so i'd say yes
[15:28:43] <CaptHindsight> bt40
[15:35:02] <Tom_itx> you can guestimate the length from the holder length data
[15:35:09] <Tom_itx> (the taper)
[15:36:10] <CaptHindsight> well maybe if I could trust that it's an actual pic of the holder
[15:36:57] <CaptHindsight> I bought a lot of brand new cobalt end mills from an old machinist along with a mill...
[15:37:19] <CaptHindsight> paid ~$100 for probably $1000+ worth of mills
[15:37:40] <CaptHindsight> I need some holders for a few of them
[15:37:42] <Tom_itx> nice
[15:38:38] <CaptHindsight> one is a 1.25" double end, 4 flute that is ~8" long
[15:38:55] <Tom_itx> well if it is in fact a bt40 holder you can guestimate the length that way
[15:39:04] <Tom_itx> if the pic is accurate
[15:39:22] <Tom_itx> that's a hefty EM
[15:40:03] <Tom_itx> we used some long ones like that to machine a blower housing once
[15:40:17] <CaptHindsight> I was milling SS lately and I must have gotten to greedy with some cuts
[15:41:14] <CaptHindsight> lost a tip of a flute on a couple HSS mills
[15:41:48] <Tom_itx> send em out for regrind
[15:42:05] <Tom_itx> or turn em into ball/bullnose
[15:42:11] <CaptHindsight> where do you go for yours?
[15:42:20] <Tom_itx> local
[15:42:44] <Tom_itx> there's several shops around here since we do alot of machining around here
[15:43:17] <Tom_itx> small ones are hardly worth it but the big ones are
[15:43:33] <CaptHindsight> heh, shars has em on sale for $8
[15:43:48] <Tom_itx> yeah but what quality are they?
[15:44:22] <CaptHindsight> these were no name, don't know where I got em from
[15:45:10] <CaptHindsight> I'm just going through my box-o-worn mills as well
[15:45:48] <CaptHindsight> you pick up stuff when you buy used machines that I forget about
[15:46:03] <CaptHindsight> today was like xmas opening some tubes
[15:47:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-1-2-Indexable-Face-Mill-4-Cutting-Edge-SDMT-Insert-New-380-00-Off-/351208914019 how bad can these be?
[15:48:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-High-Feed-Indexable-Face-Mill-for-4-Cutting-Edge-SDMT-Insert-New-545-00-Off/301147202084 only $65
[15:48:43] <CaptHindsight> and a 4" for $75
[15:50:02] <Tom_itx> you got a holder for em?
[15:50:03] <tiwake> thats a really good price
[15:50:09] <Tom_itx> yeah not bad
[15:50:25] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I have like 8 spare holders for those
[15:50:41] <Tom_itx> not sure i'd get both
[15:50:48] <Tom_itx> 3" would be ok
[15:51:02] <tiwake> I'd spend more on inserts for it
[15:51:09] <CaptHindsight> they are all on sale from 2-4"
[15:51:25] <Tom_itx> or get a couple the same size
[15:51:47] <Tom_itx> how big a cutter can your spindle handle?
[15:52:29] <CaptHindsight> I do 4" all the time
[15:52:40] <Tom_itx> the bigger the cutter the more it costs to populate it :D
[15:52:58] <tiwake> takes a 1" shell thing
[15:54:10] <Tom_itx> ff is pissin me off... it won't stop tellin me to upgrage
[15:54:16] <Tom_itx> upgrade*
[15:54:25] <Tom_itx> between it and win10...
[15:54:34] <Tom_itx> stfu already
[15:54:59] <tiwake> hmm... looking at the pictures, the inserts are turned the wrong direction
[15:55:23] <CaptHindsight> I unplugged my win7 machine from the network months ago
[15:55:33] <CaptHindsight> heh
[15:55:50] <Tom_itx> i've got 3 on 7
[15:56:04] <Tom_itx> 2 32bit 1 64
[15:56:11] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[15:56:30] <tiwake> I'm looking for acme threading inserts at the moment
[15:57:44] <PetefromTn_> that is the shars facemills huh
[15:58:06] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: yes, big sale
[15:58:31] <CaptHindsight> I might stop by later in the week and see them
[15:58:55] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty damn cheap
[15:59:04] <PetefromTn_> wonder why they are moving them out
[15:59:16] <CaptHindsight> inserts are $6.50ea
[15:59:53] <CaptHindsight> I've talked to them often, they just want to sell stuff
[16:00:08] <CaptHindsight> they probably got some deal from the manufacturer
[16:00:25] <tiwake> hmm
[16:00:47] <tiwake> if they sell a shell mill with the outside corner making contact instead of the inside corner...
[16:03:18] <CaptHindsight> they do
[16:04:00] <Tom_itx> or get one with diamond inserts
[16:04:54] <tiwake> no, I cut too much steel to use diamond
[16:05:07] <PetefromTn_> that looks like it should work fine.. the shallow lead in angle of the insert would make for a smooth transition into the cut I would think.
[16:05:18] <CaptHindsight> I mostly cut 6061
[16:05:26] <PetefromTn_> I went with the Maritool facemill
[16:06:21] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: yeah, thats probably what I'll end up getting
[16:06:35] <CaptHindsight> I was just looking for holders and some end mills and came across the sale
[16:06:40] <PetefromTn_> but it was a lot more expensive than that one. So far it is decent but I found that the inserts I bought on ebay for aluminum kinda fit funny in it
[16:06:59] <tiwake> I have a nice 5" shell mill for cutting soft stuff like aluminum and copper, but I need something a little smaller and more rugged inserts for steel stuffs
[16:07:02] <PetefromTn_> the coated carbide steel inserts fit normally tho
[16:07:07] <tiwake> erm, its 4" rather
[16:07:29] <PetefromTn_> I probably should have ante'd up and purchased the ones from maritool
[16:07:32] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OkBMA43qzg oops, Shars 2" Face Mill
[16:07:34] <tiwake> a 3" would be perfect
[16:07:41] <PetefromTn_> once I smoke these I will get some of those probably
[16:08:08] <CaptHindsight> ^^ the inserts he abused http://www.shars.com/products/indexable-cutting/indexable-inserts/sekn-42-aftn-ybg202-1
[16:08:13] <PetefromTn_> mine is 3"
[16:08:48] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: that guy really does not like his inserts
[16:08:50] <tiwake> lol
[16:09:09] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: the 45 or the 90 deg Maritool?
[16:09:14] <tiwake> chips should not be coming off the tool in flames
[16:09:15] <tiwake> lol
[16:09:35] <gregcnc> capthindsight gage length https://www.iscar.com/ecatalog/Ecat/illust_m/1236.gif
[16:09:49] <PetefromTn_> I got the 45 degree one
[16:10:01] <PetefromTn_> tiwake unless you are using ceramic inserts LO
[16:10:02] <gregcnc> = L
[16:10:20] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: thanks
[16:10:59] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: that is true, ceramic inserts are quite different in that regard
[16:11:20] <PetefromTn_> been a CRAZY week here
[16:11:34] <PetefromTn_> I have had my house for sale for a LONG time now
[16:11:42] <tiwake> last week I was sick for half of it
[16:11:43] <tiwake> heh
[16:11:50] <PetefromTn_> was resisting listing it with a realtor
[16:12:08] <PetefromTn_> had it listed for awhile with another realtor about a year ago and they didn't hardly show it
[16:12:20] <PetefromTn_> was contacted by another realtor about a week ago
[16:12:27] <PetefromTn_> went ahead and let them list it
[16:12:40] <PetefromTn_> since then they have shown the house five times!
[16:12:44] <CaptHindsight> https://www.maritool.com/45-Degree-Shell-Mill
[16:12:49] <PetefromTn_> I could not believe it
[16:13:12] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: it's common to take down a listing for bit and then relist
[16:13:23] <PetefromTn_> one of the interested parties apparently wants a second showing today
[16:13:28] <CaptHindsight> some buyer don't want to look at stale listings
[16:13:32] <PetefromTn_> so I am assuming that is good
[16:13:50] <CaptHindsight> they think it's haunted or the site of a murder
[16:14:01] <CaptHindsight> yeah, good news
[16:14:08] <PetefromTn_> two of the people who viewed the house seemed interested so far
[16:14:17] <CaptHindsight> you might have an offer this week
[16:14:20] <PetefromTn_> with any luck maybe we can get an offer here this week
[16:14:23] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[16:14:26] <Tom_itx> i think i'll get this for my sherline :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Face-Shell-Mill-Milling-42-Carbide-insert-Holder-L12BXARS-5-80-/121311166110?hash=item1c3eb57e9e:g:bkwAAOSw-W5UzGAr
[16:14:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah that would be freaking amazing
[16:14:44] <PetefromTn_> I would be so happy and so panicked at the same time
[16:14:52] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: will you be off to hurricane land after this?
[16:15:07] <PetefromTn_> if it sells hell yeah we will
[16:15:07] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, yeah you really wanna move until you really gotta move
[16:15:23] <PetefromTn_> honestly the move does not bother me at all
[16:15:32] <PetefromTn_> it is the moving of the machines that is a bitch
[16:15:37] <PetefromTn_> and timing everything
[16:15:50] <tiwake> you defined all the annoying stuff with moving
[16:15:53] <PetefromTn_> and the uncertainty of finding a suitable place in Florida for them
[16:16:04] <tiwake> where do you live right now?
[16:16:14] <PetefromTn_> I am just south of Knoxville, Tennessee
[16:16:22] <PetefromTn_> about 20 minutes
[16:16:34] <ReadError> woh wait
[16:16:40] <ReadError> you actually want to move to florida??
[16:16:43] <tiwake> and you wanna move several states away to florida?
[16:16:46] <PetefromTn_> can't wait
[16:16:59] <PetefromTn_> I grew up in Florida
[16:17:03] <PetefromTn_> love it there
[16:17:11] <tiwake> w/e
[16:17:27] <tiwake> tennessee probably has saner laws
[16:17:32] <PetefromTn_> its actually really beautiful here too honestly but we have lived here for almost 15 years now
[16:17:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah probably
[16:18:02] <tiwake> thats really the only thing I care about
[16:18:04] <PetefromTn_> like I said I lived in Florida most of my life so I am pretty used to it
[16:18:07] <tiwake> how sane are the laws?
[16:18:37] <tiwake> which would indicate how idiotic the people are living in said state
[16:18:38] <PetefromTn_> I really miss the ocean and fishing/boating and the seafood.
[16:19:01] <tiwake> oh I hate the sea... lol... grew up right next to it on the oregon coast
[16:19:05] <tiwake> bleh
[16:19:09] <tiwake> so much annoying sand
[16:19:10] <PetefromTn_> I am like ten minutes from the entrance of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park where I am now..
[16:19:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah I lived in California for a good while and I think the ocean is a bit different there too honestly.
[16:19:51] <PetefromTn_> Its sure a lot colder
[16:20:06] <tiwake> cold sure, I don't care about temp though
[16:20:10] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Wait, are you there, or ten minutes from there?
[16:20:13] <tiwake> clod, hot, whatever
[16:20:20] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: or are you here?
[16:20:23] <tiwake> lived in montana for ~3 years
[16:20:32] <Jymmm> tiwake: poor bastard
[16:20:32] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm ?
[16:20:33] <tiwake> wanna talk about cold in the winter
[16:20:40] <PetefromTn_> man I HATE COLD
[16:20:45] <tiwake> lol
[16:20:51] <tiwake> I'm indifferent
[16:20:53] <PetefromTn_> I used to think man it would be nice to live where it snows etc.
[16:20:55] <Tom_itx> yeah it was like 15 this AM
[16:21:00] <PetefromTn_> now I can't freaking stand it
[16:21:01] <Jymmm> I'm working on a wood fired boiler
[16:21:11] <Jymmm> outdoor
[16:21:19] <PetefromTn_> I HATE having to heat up my shop just to go out and work in there
[16:21:20] <Tom_itx> hot water tanks?
[16:21:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: sorta
[16:21:46] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I'm working on shop heat as well =)
[16:22:06] <tiwake> it would get down to about -30 for a few days, then warm up to -20 to -10 for another week to three, maybe warm up to 0ish
[16:22:28] <Jymmm> tiwake: You nucking futs?!
[16:22:36] <tiwake> would do that a couple times a winter, generally staying below freezing
[16:22:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah screw that noise I think its cold as hell here nevermind sub zero shit
[16:22:59] <PetefromTn_> Ya know what really bites the most tho
[16:23:10] <Jymmm> tiwake: how much seasoned wood do you have available?
[16:23:24] <tiwake> Jymmm: not sure what seasoned wood is?
[16:23:25] <PetefromTn_> is the fact that you basically are stuck inside for like three or four months of the year
[16:23:39] <XXCoder> nice http://images.dailykos.com/images/197279/story_image/Screen_Shot_2016-01-18_at_11.12.38_AM.png?1453144371
[16:23:40] <PetefromTn_> put a little paprika on it
[16:23:42] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: I never leave to begin with :D
[16:23:43] <Jymmm> tiwake: Wood that has been split and seasoned (dried) for 2+ years
[16:24:06] <tiwake> Jymmm: uh, where I currently live on the oregon coast?
[16:24:16] <tiwake> there are lots of lumber mills around
[16:24:20] <Jymmm> tiwake: No, in montana
[16:24:28] <XXCoder> that helmet is made from all wood. "foam" is cellufoam
[16:24:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah I can't stand not being able to go out on the water or fishing or something outdoors from december to march
[16:24:35] <tiwake> donno, I've never seen a lumber mill in montana
[16:24:50] <tiwake> seen a big grain outfit
[16:24:54] <Jymmm> tiwake: No mills involved, these are cut down trees, etc
[16:25:24] <PetefromTn_> so anyways if any of you pray I would appreciate a prayer that they buy my house today LOL
[16:25:25] <tiwake> oh uh, donno, I know there was a small wood shop down the road from where I used to work
[16:25:36] <Jymmm> tiwake: no no no, like this... http://www.nmda.nmsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/firewood.jpg
[16:25:55] <tiwake> oh, firewood
[16:26:00] <Jymmm> bark peeling away, nice cracks, all signs of well seasoned firewood
[16:26:34] <tiwake> donno, didnt have a fire place... I know a bunch of people do, but donno where they get the wood from or w/e
[16:26:48] <Jymmm> tiwake: then how did you stay warm?
[16:26:51] <Jymmm> at -30
[16:26:51] <tiwake> it does not take long to dry stuff out in montana though... lol
[16:27:11] <tiwake> electric heat
[16:27:11] <PetefromTn_> you basically don't stay warm at -30 LOL
[16:27:14] <Deejay> gn8
[16:27:20] <Jymmm> Deejay: gn9
[16:27:21] <tiwake> electricity is cheap over there
[16:27:38] <tiwake> not the cheapest, but pretty cheap
[16:27:46] <Jymmm> electricity is the worse and most expensive type of heat
[16:28:01] <PetefromTn_> not sure I agree with that
[16:28:06] <tiwake> I'd agree with that, but I didnt build the buildings I lived in
[16:28:27] <tiwake> wood heat is nice, or heat pump
[16:28:38] <tiwake> erm, heat pumps are not very good for montana though
[16:28:51] <Jymmm> heat pumps suck below 40F
[16:28:55] <tiwake> yeah
[16:29:00] <tiwake> oregon coast its perfect
[16:29:01] <XXCoder> tiwake: great for certain months range though
[16:29:04] <PetefromTn_> we have a heat pump here
[16:29:07] <Jymmm> great for moderate climants though
[16:29:11] <tiwake> yeah
[16:29:33] <PetefromTn_> I wanna live where I don't ever need heat ;)
[16:29:40] <Jymmm> 1KW/hr of electricity is 3413 BTU's
[16:29:47] <tiwake> oregon coast here is basically a temperate rain forest
[16:29:49] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: 6 feet under?
[16:30:09] <Jymmm> ...the frost line that is =)
[16:30:20] <PetefromTn_> nope just Florida man
[16:30:40] <PetefromTn_> I can't wait to be kayak fishing in the Florida sun!!
[16:30:46] <Jymmm> 1lb of propane is 21,000 BTU's
[16:30:56] <tiwake> florida would suck if hyper inflation hit
[16:31:16] <tiwake> everywhere would suck, but certain states would suck less
[16:31:25] <PetefromTn_> Florida is actually quite inexpensive to live from my experience
[16:31:28] <tiwake> or a solar EMP of some sort
[16:31:38] <PetefromTn_> not all that different from here in Tennessee
[16:31:47] <Jymmm> one full cord of seasoned oak = 31,000,000 btu's
[16:32:17] <tiwake> Jymmm: and a nice workout at the end of the day :3
[16:32:22] <Tom_itx> more gators
[16:32:40] <Jymmm> A full cord of seasoned oak will run you about $240 delivered.
[16:32:50] <tiwake> hmm
[16:33:10] <tiwake> I think we get ours for $150?ish delivered
[16:33:19] <tiwake> it might be $200 now
[16:33:53] <tiwake> notably below market price because ooooold time friends
[16:33:54] <Jymmm> That's $0.000008 per btu
[16:35:05] <PetefromTn_> well anyways I am hoping for a good result here tonight with the showing. Then I will freak out if they buy it trying to get everything down there and find a house LOL
[16:35:13] <Jymmm> That's $0.00004 per btu for electricity
[16:35:47] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: good luck!!!
[16:36:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: tun on every light in the house and bake anything (seriously)
[16:36:09] <PetefromTn_> Thanks Jymmm
[16:36:23] <Tom_itx> what part of FL?
[16:36:25] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: well, I know a guy in florida, if you move I might have to visit sometime
[16:36:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah we do that and put on nice music and light aromatic candles etc..
[16:36:44] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: fuck cnadles, BAKE something... bread, cookies, etc
[16:36:45] <PetefromTn_> we would like to be in the Port St. Lucie area again
[16:36:51] <jdh> hide the meth lab
[16:37:06] <tiwake> jdh: no no, thats the anodizing bath
[16:37:09] <PetefromTn_> well my wife will be home soon maybe I can get her to bake some cookies or something
[16:37:16] <tiwake> clearly its not a meth lab
[16:37:34] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: It's a scent that says "home" to people.
[16:37:51] <Jymmm> especially bread or biscuits or pie
[16:38:05] <Jymmm> hell even toast =)
[16:38:09] <PetefromTn_> one of the viewers was a mechanic and he seemed very excited about my large garage/shop so thinking it might be that fellow..
[16:38:27] <Jymmm> oh and coffee brewing
[16:38:30] <tiwake> ah yeah, good point... bake some rolls or cinnamon rolls or cookies to get the home smell around a bit before the showing
[16:38:31] <PetefromTn_> they actually want us out of the house this time....
[16:38:51] <PetefromTn_> that is not a terrible idea actually... may have to do that..
[16:39:08] <Jymmm> Yeah, toss a plate of cinnamon rolls on the counter with a pot of coffee =)
[16:39:10] <PetefromTn_> plus it is an excuse to get some cookies made LOL
[16:39:11] <Tom_itx> yeah and pick up your dirty underwear etc
[16:39:17] <tiwake> :D
[16:39:18] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[16:39:27] <Jymmm> scrap up your dirty underwear too
[16:39:35] <tiwake> or leave it out... some people like that kind of stuff...
[16:39:44] <Jymmm> tiwake: SMF lol
[16:39:53] <PetefromTn_> I swear it would be a huge lifechanging event if it sold for us... kinda scary a bit.
[16:40:17] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Get you ass off irc and go buy some cinnamon rolls to bake!
[16:40:31] <PetefromTn_> my wife and I both loved where we used to live so its all good.
[16:40:38] <CaptHindsight> it really comes down to price for a house
[16:40:39] <PetefromTn_> I think we might have some
[16:41:05] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I think that is not necessarily true its a very personal thing
[16:41:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: have any oranges?
[16:41:23] <CaptHindsight> I've had homes sell in minutes if the price is fair
[16:41:33] <PetefromTn_> minutes?
[16:41:34] <tiwake> put some orange peels on the fireplace, let them sit out drying
[16:41:55] <tiwake> more smells good stuff
[16:41:56] <CaptHindsight> from listing until offer
[16:42:02] <PetefromTn_> no no oranges we are in Tennessee they don't allow oranges here....another reason to get back to Florida LOL
[16:42:11] <Jymmm> No, toss them in a pot of water on the stove with cinnamon, and simmer.... fills the entire house!
[16:42:20] <Tom_itx> move all the dead cars outta the front yard...
[16:42:32] <Jymmm> tiwake: and his dead skunks?
[16:42:45] <CaptHindsight> and bodies from crawl space to swamp
[16:42:46] <Jymmm> mow the 3 feet grass
[16:43:11] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: do all of that in the next 1/2 hour
[16:43:14] <tiwake> go go go
[16:43:24] <PetefromTn_> hehe I got an hour and a half
[16:43:36] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: no , you really don't.
[16:43:45] <tiwake> they like to show up early
[16:43:57] <tiwake> and you want to get out of the house earlier
[16:44:15] <tiwake> and you gotta have the in-house smell done before you leave...
[16:44:19] <PetefromTn_> naah they can't
[16:44:32] <CaptHindsight> I once viewed a house minutes after someone used the restroom, thought i was going to gag
[16:44:46] <tiwake> ha
[16:44:48] <CaptHindsight> so be sure to flush
[16:44:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah not a good idea to dump a load before you leave LOL
[16:44:56] <Jymmm> twice
[16:45:00] <enleth> heh, it's funny from an European's point of view to realize that the majority of the US is *not* in European-like climate
[16:45:15] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: http://www.poopourri.com/?gclid=CKyk8sWytMoCFZFlfgodb7EMCg
[16:45:40] <Jymmm> lmao, I remember that
[16:45:51] <CaptHindsight> leave a plate of fresh baked cookies out
[16:46:04] <enleth> I mean, looking at the map, it's kind of obvious, but the culture is so similar to the generic anglicized western/central European one that everyone forgets this
[16:46:15] <tiwake> Jymmm: I think my favorite thing is the squatty potty
[16:46:18] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna have Dacia cook up something to make it smell nice..
[16:46:35] <CaptHindsight> not a day for curry :)
[16:46:37] <tiwake> Jymmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q
[16:46:50] <PetefromTn_> enleth what are you on about LOL
[16:47:40] <enleth> PetefromTn_: a huge part of the US is in what we'd consider the tropics over here in Europe
[16:48:38] <Jymmm> tiwake: HAHAHAHAHAHA
[16:48:39] <enleth> PetefromTn_: but it just doesn't go well with the fact that people in that part of the US are culturally pretty close to Europeans, certainly much more than any other people living in what we'd consider tropics too
[16:49:25] <tiwake> Jymmm: yeah, its pretty fantastic :D
[16:49:37] <Jymmm> tiwake: youhave one?
[16:49:41] <tiwake> no
[16:49:44] <tiwake> but the video
[16:49:46] <tiwake> so much lol
[16:49:54] <Jymmm> yeah, lol
[16:50:19] <PetefromTn_> I guess man but I doubt you could call the weather here tropical LOL
[16:51:24] <TMA> enleth: the cultural difference between Europeans and Americans is big too; it's big even between different parts of Europe
[16:52:14] <Jymmm> "German is such a romantic language"
[16:52:17] <enleth> PetefromTn_: in the central (latitudally speaking, if that's even a word) Europe we see the guys in Span, Italy or Greece as those weirdos from the South who live in unbearable heat, but a major part of US population lives even further south
[16:52:49] <tiwake> Jymmm: bs... lol
[16:53:01] <Jymmm> tiwake: Thus the quotes =)
[16:53:10] <enleth> Jymmm: ja, ja, volkswagen
[16:53:14] <tiwake> Jymmm: quote from what?
[16:53:33] <Jymmm> tiwake: IN quotes
[16:53:39] <tiwake> I am not finding my threading insert very fast thanks to you guys
[16:55:39] <tiwake> hmm
[16:55:57] <tiwake> looks like they used a 6TPI ACME thread insert to make these
[16:56:26] <tiwake> its a double lead thread, 4TPI per lead
[16:56:38] <Jymmm> tiwake: to make ice cream pooping unicorns?
[16:56:39] <tiwake> so is it called a 4TPI thread or an 8TPI thread?
[16:56:44] <enleth> TMA: still closer than any other nation living at similar latitudes
[16:57:51] <TMA> enleth: yes. but assuming the cultures are "more or less identical" is an invitation for severe misunderstanding
[16:58:20] <tiwake> Jymmm: heh no... its for oil rigs, the housing for the actual copper connector that goes inside it
[17:00:32] <tiwake> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/53828299
[17:01:27] <enleth> TMA: close enough to move and not feel too out of place, which I guess is telling something
[17:02:22] <orangey_> wow wow to linuxcnc!
[17:02:24] <orangey_> Thank you guys!
[17:02:27] <enleth> TBH I'd probably feel more able to blend in in any given US city than many places in EU, especially the south
[17:02:31] <DaViruz> i saw no mention of "pretty much identical", i saw "pretty close"
[17:02:39] <DaViruz> speaking of inviting misunderstandings
[17:03:05] <tiwake> enleth: welcome to the great melting pot
[17:05:24] <tiwake> huh, maybe that will fit my current top notch tool holder...
[17:05:28] <tiwake> that would be nice
[17:05:31] <enleth> Getting used to those weird ass sliding windows and even weirder power outlets would probably be the most difficult thing to do
[17:07:01] <XXCoder> DaViruz: theres few words in english english that sounds dirty for american english
[17:07:04] <XXCoder> like spotted dick
[17:07:09] <XXCoder> and yes, fags.
[17:07:09] <tiwake> enleth: what is a not weird window?
[17:07:31] <Sync> one that opens like a door
[17:08:02] <enleth> tiwake: a hinged one
[17:10:19] <tiwake> enleth: there are plenty of windows around like this http://replacementwindowsadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/awningwindow.jpg
[17:10:43] <tiwake> of varying styles
[17:10:56] <tiwake> I lived in an apartment thing with that style before
[17:11:47] <enleth> tiwake: uh, that's weird-ass too
[17:12:06] <tiwake> oh so it has to be a certain kind of hinge?
[17:12:08] <enleth> the typical European window is hinged on the side and opens inwards
[17:12:27] <enleth> possibly split vertically
[17:12:32] <tiwake> linky
[17:13:43] <tiwake> I mean
[17:14:08] <tiwake> there are tons of window styles, just pick one you like and go with it... lol... no shortage of options
[17:15:33] <tiwake> it might be fun to make a house with outside doors that are used in passenger jet airliners
[17:15:46] <tiwake> XD
[17:17:15] <enleth> tiwake: http://www.dom.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/okna1.jpg - this is a typical configuration in most of Europe
[17:18:28] * JT-Shop might have to order another 500 pack of 22 awg ferrules before he gets finished re-re-re-wiring the BP
[17:19:33] <Sync> can't have too many many of those
[17:20:51] <enleth> tiwake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bleekman_zimmer.jpg - it's also typical for some windows in a set to have an alternative way of opening, tilting a little towards the inside for ventilation, but that's it
[17:21:40] <tiwake> enleth: *shrug* I've seen those around too
[17:21:45] <enleth> anything substantially different from a combination of those is considered pretty weird, or made to match some vintage style
[17:22:01] <enleth> tiwake: but we have *only* those around
[17:22:28] <tiwake> enleth: yeah, around here people flip out if they dont get what they want XD
[17:23:13] <enleth> of course you can get a window of any kind if you pay for that but it's extremely uncommon and rather expensive
[17:24:06] <tiwake> what I want to do is in the winter take a picture of the house with a thermal imaging camera
[17:24:14] <tiwake> to see where the heat is leaking out
[17:24:33] <tiwake> need a $4,000 camera to do that correctly though
[17:24:41] <enleth> like, for rich people with extravagant interior decoration needs or renovation of old buildings that historically had sliding or outwards-opening windows
[17:25:11] <tiwake> enleth: define rich people :)
[17:26:05] <Sync> a $1000 camera does just fine tiwake
[17:26:50] <enleth> tiwake: most people building their own house won't bother, or maybe use a single set of sliding doors/windows for terrace entrance if they really want
[17:27:20] <jdh> http://www.flir.com/flirone/
[17:27:26] <tiwake> Sync: I tried to find a 640x480 or higher running at 1000 frames/second, but those are, as far as I can tell, non-existent
[17:27:28] <jdh> $250 cam
[17:27:51] <tiwake> I'm sure they exist, but not sold commercially
[17:28:36] <enleth> 1000fps for a thermal camera?
[17:29:05] <Sync> for looking at housings almost anything is fine
[17:30:24] <tiwake> it would be nice for figuring out how a machine might fail, or engine tuning and stuff
[17:30:28] <malcom2073> There's a kickstarter for a high FPS slowmo camera
[17:30:40] <tiwake> though I suppose 30 frames/second would be "good enough" for that stuff
[17:30:41] <malcom2073> Not thermal though
[17:30:46] <malcom2073> Missed that part
[17:30:53] <enleth> malcom2073: there is and it seems genuine, but ... yeah, not thermal.
[17:31:02] <tiwake> malcom2073: linky?
[17:31:06] <enleth> I don't think thermal and high speed mix well?
[17:31:17] <malcom2073> tiwake: Didn't save the link, sorry
[17:31:34] <enleth> tiwake: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1623255426/fps1000-the-low-cost-high-frame-rate-camera
[17:32:17] <enleth> It's almost complete, the ongoing delay seems to be genuine and well explained, I really hope this guy succeeds
[17:33:49] <Sync> tiwake: are you looking for thermal imagers or regular cameras?
[17:33:52] <tiwake> enleth: the thermal sensor, at least the modern 'above freezing' sensors just use standard CMOS fabs
[17:34:31] <enleth> tiwake: but don't they need longer exposure times to provide useful data?
[17:34:38] <tiwake> neh
[17:34:50] <tiwake> the pixels change rather quickly
[17:35:09] <tiwake> though heating something up generally takes a while
[17:35:30] <tiwake> so it might be limited in its usefulness
[17:36:06] <tiwake> would be useful for automatic rifle/pistol design
[17:36:16] <tiwake> or certain kinds of machinery
[17:37:10] <tiwake> maybe laser design
[17:37:19] <tiwake> rocket engines
[17:37:27] <tiwake> all the stuff I'm interested in
[17:37:29] <tiwake> :D
[17:39:07] <Sync> well, if there was a real use for highspeed thermal sensors they would exist
[17:39:13] <Sync> but most thermal systems are very slow
[17:40:27] <tiwake> right, an engine would heat up rather slowly, unless you want to view the inside of the combustion chamber
[17:40:49] <tiwake> see how evenly its burning
[17:41:55] <tiwake> malcom2073: I don't see why people don't use a regular computer as a platform for such a camera
[17:42:23] <malcom2073> Unsure what the limitation is, but I figured part of it at least was the image capture sensor
[17:42:25] <tiwake> malcom2073: a PCIe 2.0 is fast enough for 1920x1080 color at 1000 frames/second
[17:42:41] <enleth> tiwake: the problem is elsewhere
[17:43:02] <enleth> tiwake: you need to pull the data off the sensor itself and it's a very low-level stream
[17:43:39] <enleth> tiwake: dedicated ASICs or high-end FPGAs coupled with a good chunk of dedicated fast memory are needed to do that
[17:44:11] <enleth> PCIe has the raw throughput to do that but it's a pretty high-level bus
[17:44:22] <tiwake> erm, video cards do that
[17:44:37] <enleth> no, they do something completely different, sorry
[17:44:45] <enleth> also, not at 1000fps
[17:45:09] <tiwake> a lot more pixels
[17:45:20] <malcom2073> The video card outputs the pixels to the monitor, not over the PCIe bus
[17:45:37] <Sync> you do that optically tiwake
[17:46:22] <tiwake> what I'm not sure of is can the PCIe buss dump that kind of data on the main system memory
[17:46:37] <tiwake> just raw data, no need to compress it
[17:46:52] <tiwake> compressing can happen later
[17:47:30] <malcom2073> you till need very high bandwidth conversion between the raw camera data, and the PCIe bus... at which point why not cut out the PCIe bus and just do it over USB 3.0?
[17:47:40] <malcom2073> And use some onboard ram for buffering
[17:47:44] <tiwake> waaait
[17:47:48] <tiwake> USB is horrible
[17:47:49] <tiwake> lol
[17:47:59] <malcom2073> Yes, USB 1.1 is horrible :P
[17:48:09] <tiwake> latency, handshaking... that stuff takes way too much time
[17:48:11] <malcom2073> 3.1 on the other hand, is pretty handy
[17:48:47] <tiwake> oh, 3.1 is different, it defines a bunch of stuff that isnt really USB if I recall
[17:48:57] <enleth> tiwake: sorry, really, no, PCIe doesn't work like that
[17:49:01] <enleth> malcom2073: uh, what?
[17:49:02] <malcom2073> Is by isn't really usb, you mean isn't really USB 2.0?
[17:49:08] <malcom2073> if by*
[17:49:19] <tiwake> usb 3.0 vs 3.1
[17:49:31] <enleth> malcom2073: the USB controller will still hang off of PCIe on the CPU, so it's not "cutting out" anything
[17:49:39] <tiwake> 3.1 you hook directly into a PCIe buss, or can
[17:50:16] <malcom2073> enleth: The point was no PCIe card needed
[17:51:37] <enleth> malcom2073: little difference if you're dabbling in custom low-volume hardware, but, meh, OK, that can be a point if you want to use a laptop for data capture
[17:51:45] <enleth> then, yeah, USB3.1 could do the trick
[17:52:33] <enleth> tiwake: anyway you really need a lot of buffering memory and custom logic to convert the raw sensor data to even most basic PCIe/USB3.1 packets ever
[17:52:58] <tiwake> screw USB :P
[17:53:13] <enleth> doesn't change anything
[17:53:46] <enleth> tiwake: PCIe is a serial bus, a CMOS sensor is a parallel data source - you *must* buffer the frames even if your bus data rate is sufficient
[17:54:02] <enleth> you can't have the sensor "wait"
[17:55:07] <enleth> best case scenario, you pull a frame off the sensor to a dedicated memory die sized for two frames while you're pushing the previous frame out over PCIe
[17:55:08] <tiwake> oh yeah
[17:55:22] <enleth> basically double-buffering in reverse
[17:55:42] <tiwake> thats just an engineering abstraction
[17:55:49] <enleth> no, it's not
[17:56:01] <tiwake> something to be figured out come design time
[17:56:04] <andypugh> If you had a 16x PCI bus and only needed 16x16 images....
[17:56:06] <enleth> what even is an "engineering abstraction"
[17:56:14] <enleth> what does that mean?
[17:57:05] <andypugh> I probably should have circular-interpolated this, really: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6241274021707091154
[17:57:07] <tiwake> enleth: abstract it away and say 'it would work with sufficient design' :P
[17:57:17] <enleth> tiwake: have you ever programmed an FPGA, or made something that talks over PCIe, or with a *really* low-level capture/display device?
[17:57:26] <tiwake> nop :D
[17:57:43] <tiwake> I wouldent mind trying sometime, when I have time...
[17:58:02] <enleth> tiwake: well I hate to break it for you but to go more low-level than what I just said would require firing up ISE and Protel
[17:58:25] <enleth> (or whatever FPGA IDE and schematic editor you prefer)
[17:58:56] <andypugh> A surprising number of LinuxCNC users end up using ISE, albeint rather blindly, to tweak Hostmot2 firwares
[17:58:57] <enleth> processing video streams is hard
[17:59:10] <tiwake> that I do know
[17:59:11] <tiwake> lol
[17:59:13] <enleth> processing high-speed video streams IS. HARD.
[17:59:31] <enleth> the best of the best of modern hardware struggles to do that
[17:59:56] <enleth> and only succeeds because a bunch of really smart people programmed it
[18:00:23] <enleth> there's no place for "just do that and leave the details for implementation"
[18:01:06] <tiwake> I suppose you would say that I shouldent get into manufacturing because its too hard too :P
[18:01:35] <enleth> no, I'd just suggest being a bit more realistic
[18:01:45] <tiwake> enh, w/e
[18:02:04] <tiwake> its just one of the things I have lined up for my 3 lifetimes worth of stuff to do
[18:02:14] <enleth> I'm not saying it's "too" hard, I'm saying that handwaving problems away instead of acknowledging them is silly
[18:03:24] <t12> wait only some cmos sensors are paralell arent theuy
[18:03:32] <tiwake> thats how I approach most design things, start high level and work down until its done
[18:03:41] <enleth> I did my fair share of wanton fuckery with high tech stuff with no regard to common sense, but that still included some common sense
[18:03:50] <enleth> in some way
[18:04:12] <enleth> it wouldn't have worked at all otherwise
[18:04:42] <enleth> tiwake: that stops working when you approach the limits of current technology
[18:05:31] <tiwake> mostly... at that point it would depend on how many physics people I could hire
[18:05:51] <andypugh> Do you pay well?
[18:06:02] <andypugh> (I am a bored physics person)
[18:06:03] <enleth> tiwake: 1000fps at full HD is like 5-axis high speed machining of intricate details in a half-ton chunk of titanium, if you fancy a manufacturing analogy
[18:06:15] <tiwake> andypugh: maybe in lifetime #2, when I get to that stuff
[18:06:44] <enleth> I'm sure there are some gentlemen at HAAS or Seiki Mori who would go ahead if you dared them to do that
[18:06:57] <enleth> But that's still fucking hard
[18:07:07] <enleth> Literally and figuratively
[18:08:25] <enleth> What's funny, a commercial high-speed full HD video rig costs about as much as a mill that could do that
[18:08:33] <Sync> andypugh: if you want to do solid state physics, hit me up, I might have something
[18:08:38] <enleth> several 100s of thousands $
[18:09:02] <t12> http://www.gatan.com/products/tem-imaging-spectroscopy/k2-direct-detection-cameras
[18:09:05] <t12> this will just about do it
[18:09:12] <t12> if you're down with imaging electrons instead of photons
[18:09:27] <andypugh> Sync: I am probably too old now.
[18:09:38] <t12> they're kinda really expensive
[18:09:47] <enleth> Oh, nice. Looks like the "if you need to ask, you can't afford it" price grade
[18:09:58] <t12> i think its in the 1-2mil range
[18:10:07] <t12> 400fps 4kx4k 128channel readout
[18:10:13] <andypugh> Anything with “Gatan” in the URL will be expensive. It’s like seeing “Bruel and Kjaer”
[18:10:46] <t12> gatan is a strange company
[18:11:51] <Sync> andypugh: probbly not
[18:11:53] <andypugh> I spent 3 years depending on one of these: http://www.gatan.com/products/tem-specimen-preparation/dimple-grinder
[18:12:09] <enleth> For comparison, a good Phantom rig will cost about $300k
[18:12:45] <andypugh> The Gatan dimple grinder is completely different in layout to every other one, and better.
[18:12:46] <enleth> That does 25kfps at 1280x800
[18:13:38] <t12> i dealt with the protoype for that gatan camera
[18:13:44] <enleth> andypugh: I always wonder what does one have to do to work at a place that makes things like this
[18:13:58] <t12> it had a little lead house it lived in
[18:14:22] <andypugh> It seems that everyone else agrees, an images search for them basically only shows the Gatan one. In the last 25 years they have completely cormered that tiny market.
[18:15:47] <andypugh> enleth: Just apply for the right job, I guess. I used to work for this company: http://www.nordson.com/en/divisions/dage/products/x-ray-inspection-systems/xd7500vr-jade-fp
[18:16:29] <t12> The Nordson DAGE open, transmissive X-ray tube, with its long lifetime filament technology, together with the high quality 1.33 Mpixel CMOS flat panel detector makes this jewel of a system provide the most cost effective choice in terms of price and performance for the high
[18:16:33] <t12> lol @ this jewel of a system
[18:16:54] <enleth> andypugh: looks awesome
[18:18:17] <Sync> hm, that reminds me, I need a microfocus tube
[18:18:36] <Sync> I have a hamamatsu flat panel sensor
[18:18:57] <andypugh> enleth: The blobs in this video are the solder balls of a BGA, imaged in-situ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOl7MkhgMeg
[18:20:31] <Sync> the 3d aspect is neat
[18:20:59] <andypugh> To be honest, taking one of these home for some “testing” (ie, testing how good it is at collecting some laser-cut parts) is a better perk than being able to scan electronics. http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/24/590x/New-Ford-Mondeo-521478.jpg
[18:21:51] <enleth> meh
[18:21:57] <andypugh> Though I forgot that I had borrowed one, and when I finished in the workshop after dark walked straight into it. My knee now hurts.
[18:23:31] <andypugh> enleth: Yeah, it’s just a dull car. But it’s actually more satisfying to see the car you worked on driving around than to never see the X-ray microscope you worked on.
[18:23:46] <enleth> I wonder if it's possible to get data comparable to that in any way with a DIY rig based on an old medical X-ray
[18:24:04] <enleth> andypugh: ah, I get it now, you worked on it
[18:24:14] <enleth> andypugh: OK, that puts it in a different light
[18:25:09] <Sync> meh, depends on the car imho
[18:26:16] <enleth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CWpZKuy-NE - heh, I knew why they're noisy, now I SEE why they're noisy
[18:28:22] <JT-Shop> hmm, I get a sserial error when I home all and Z reaches the limit switch, however repeated homing of z only produces no errors, are they masked?
[18:30:32] <FloppyDisk> Doesn't make much sense to me. I assume your spindle is 'idle' (vfd on, but not moving).
[18:30:37] <JT-Shop> homing one axis at a time in random order and I got the sserial error on X this time
[18:31:03] <FloppyDisk> On X- - when it hits the limit? Or while slewing?
[18:32:02] <JT-Shop> the sserial errors "appear" to be when the axis trips the limit/home switch
[18:32:21] <FloppyDisk> yikes.
[18:32:46] <JT-Shop> been doing that since I converted to emc a few years ago
[18:32:55] <FloppyDisk> what!?
[18:33:10] <FloppyDisk> I thought it was the recent sserial 2.7 issues.??
[18:33:58] <JT-Shop> 2.7 has a heart attack with one sserial error, 2.6 does not
[18:34:33] <FloppyDisk> Are you on 2.6 now?
[18:35:23] <JT-Shop> aye the only way I can run it
[18:35:30] <FloppyDisk> Same here...
[18:39:10] <JT-Shop> it just quit like a breaker tripped
[18:42:41] <JT-Shop> dang blew the secondary fuse on the control transformer... need to re think that
[18:47:06] <FloppyDisk> Not good. At least you have a fuse, hopefully you can figure out what was the issue.
[18:48:19] <JT-Shop> I just have to power the servo amps from the main line instead of the control transformer
[18:48:52] <FloppyDisk> That would do it.
[19:01:26] <JT-Shop> fuses on order... it's chilly enough for chili tonight
[19:02:09] <Tom_itx> had that last night :D
[19:15:20] <PCW> JT-Shop: is your 24V field power common grounded? (it probably should be if the PS is floating)
[20:08:48] <bobo__> Well Pete are you all finaly homeless?
[20:10:21] <PetefromTn_> Hehehe
[20:10:25] <PetefromTn_> No idea man
[20:11:12] <PetefromTn_> all I know is we cleaned the living daylights out of the house, put on some nice pandora music, put a nice aroma candle warmer on the kitchen counter and cooked some cookies before we left and locked the house
[20:11:30] <PetefromTn_> Then we went out to dinner to the Smoky Mountain Brewery and had some delicious burgers
[20:11:39] <PetefromTn_> just got home a little while ago
[20:12:06] <PetefromTn_> won't know what if anything happens unless they decide to buy and put in a bid...?
[20:12:19] <PetefromTn_> Crossing fingers and toes tho :D
[20:12:24] <malcom2073> Good luck!
[20:12:34] <bobo__> and the cookies are all gone ?
[20:12:37] <PetefromTn_> Thanks malcolm
[20:13:11] <PetefromTn_> I dunno we did not eat any my wife cooked them and then put them in the microwave LOL
[20:13:30] <PetefromTn_> all our stuff is still in the same place so we did not get robbed so that is good LOL
[20:13:56] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: whatd they think about your mill
[20:14:18] <Tom_itx> sup zeeshan
[20:14:21] <zeeshan|2> hi tom
[20:14:31] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: You did it wrong! You're supposed to leave them out for them to eat :P
[20:14:52] <PetefromTn_> Oh damn
[20:14:59] <Tom_itx> yeah, leave em out on a plate but covered
[20:15:00] <PetefromTn_> forgot ;)
[20:15:15] <malcom2073> "As you can tell by the machines in the garage, the living room and dining room have had very little use"
[20:15:17] <PetefromTn_> are we selling our house or waiting on Santa Claus here
[20:15:52] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 yeah everyone who comes to see the house is quite surprised to see the machines in the garage LOL
[20:15:54] <jdh> same thing?
[20:16:44] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[20:17:15] <PetefromTn_> most of the men ask " so does this go with the house too LOL"
[20:17:49] <Tom_itx> sure for the right price
[20:17:57] <Tom_itx> then you wouldn't have to move it
[20:19:26] <bobo__> interesting month Pete is wanting to become homeless and zeeshan is wanting to be hired
[20:21:13] <radicaldev> Anyone ever order directly from mesa?
[20:21:25] <Tom_itx> sure
[20:21:34] <jdh> is there any other way?
[20:21:41] <radicaldev> how long does it take them to ship, usually?
[20:21:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah I tell them anything is for sale for the right price LOL
[20:21:56] <Tom_itx> depends if it is in stock
[20:22:45] <radicaldev> Allegedly the 6i25-7i76 plug n go kits were in stock (22 units shown) when I ordered mine about a month ago. I called and the lady said so and so was testing it
[20:23:09] <radicaldev> glad I didn't choose the 100+ dollar next day shipping option like I thought about doing.
[20:23:17] <Tom_itx> you could ask PCW here
[20:25:32] <zeeshan|2> looks like mesa cant handle the growth :P
[20:25:53] <zeeshan|2> demand out weighs the supply
[20:25:59] <zeeshan|2> economics says increase price for max profit
[20:26:02] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[20:26:08] <Tom_itx> the focus is on bulk orders first i think
[20:26:23] <zeeshan|2> as much as i hate to say it
[20:26:24] <radicaldev> It's a bittersweet position to be in.
[20:26:28] <PetefromTn_> they are busy building boards for Tormachs ;)
[20:26:34] <zeeshan|2> i'd do the same.
[20:26:43] <zeeshan|2> oem's first, bob and joe after
[20:26:57] <radicaldev> me too
[20:26:58] <malcom2073> Someone needs to come up with an alternative
[20:27:05] <zeeshan|2> why
[20:27:06] <zeeshan|2> its so good
[20:27:08] <zeeshan|2> and cheap
[20:27:31] <Tom_itx> and sometimes unavailable
[20:27:32] <radicaldev> last time I checked their site they didn't show any in stock, so I was expecting a long lead time anyway, but I got exciting thinking I could have my wares in a couple of days.
[20:28:18] <zeeshan|2> i probably should order a couple back up mesa cards
[20:28:28] <zeeshan|2> before they increase prices
[20:28:38] <Tom_itx> not a bad idea just to have em around
[20:28:50] <zeeshan|2> ya
[20:29:01] <jdh> I have a spare 7i43. seemed like a good idea at the time.
[20:29:31] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/QzLbXcz.png
[20:29:32] <Computer_barf> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe
[20:29:35] <zeeshan|2> finally done programming this part
[20:29:37] <Computer_barf> im currently installing this
[20:29:40] <zeeshan|2> i hope i dont break something
[20:29:44] <zeeshan|2> one of the tools is cutting at 120ipm
[20:29:51] <zeeshan|2> .1875 doc .75" woc
[20:30:04] <Computer_barf> in the instructions where to unpack things it says "your-folder-configuration/pyton
[20:30:05] <Computer_barf> probe_screen.py"
[20:30:20] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 numbers don't usually lie
[20:30:32] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: they dont
[20:30:34] <zeeshan|2> but humans do
[20:30:34] <Computer_barf> not sure if that means in the linuxcnc-dev folder or in the folder that the .ini is in
[20:30:35] <zeeshan|2> :(
[20:31:05] <Tom_itx> i get to put on my college hat tomorrow :)
[20:31:19] <zeeshan|2> Computer_barf: prolly /usr/bin/python
[20:31:25] <radicaldev> Tom_itx: Why would you do that?
[20:31:31] <zeeshan|2> nice Tom_itx
[20:31:35] <zeeshan|2> catia training?
[20:31:37] <Tom_itx> taking a catia class
[20:31:45] <jdh> probably where the ini is
[20:31:50] <Tom_itx> i've already done all the exercises
[20:32:16] <Tom_itx> i just want the paper
[20:33:33] <Computer_barf> lol zeeshan / jdh... I'm even less certain now.
[20:34:26] <jdh> putting it in /usr/bin/python would be in poor taste
[20:35:13] <Computer_barf> your-folder-configuration/pyton
[20:35:13] <Computer_barf> probe_screen.py
[20:35:16] <jdh> surely it would be easy enough to try the ini dir and see.
[20:35:28] <Computer_barf> i see that and im wondering if thats a mispelling of python or intentional
[20:35:29] <jdh> it really says pyton?
[20:35:36] <Computer_barf> yes
[20:35:38] <radicaldev> It says pyton in the documentation
[20:35:38] <jdh> I assumed you typoled it.
[20:36:01] <Computer_barf> yeah, directly in the documentation. I noticed some other odd english though
[20:36:06] <radicaldev> but the project directory has python in it
[20:38:07] <radicaldev> The script pulls a value from CONFIG_DIR from the environment, and in there you should find probe_screen.pref as well as machinename.pref
[20:38:29] <radicaldev> <machinename>, rather
[20:53:26] <Computer_barf> radicaldev: still confused, project directory is located where?
[20:54:34] <radicaldev> when you download the zip or clone the git repository, the project directory is the top level directory there. Its contents are macros, probe_icons, python, and the readme and rc file
[20:57:21] <Computer_barf> yes im just not very sure what they mean by project folder, I know where my custom preference folder is
[21:15:46] <Computer_barf> http://pastebin.com/TiJ2Qbkc
[21:16:03] <Computer_barf> seems putting it in the config folder has produced these errors
[21:23:12] <Computer_barf> tried moving the folders to the linuxcnc-dev folder, seems to experience pretty simlar errors
[21:53:59] <CaptHindsight> _methods: there's your 3rd: Founding Eagles Guitarist Glenn Frey Dies At 67
[22:07:51] <Computer_barf> is .axisrc a folder?
[23:33:07] <trentster> hey all, just wondering if anyone has attempted to replicate a GUI subtab similar to the pay PathPilot has done it for canned cycles e.g. drill patterns, circles etc?
[23:49:01] <Computer_barf> opens up popcorn bag
[23:49:19] <Computer_barf> (i would be interested in the same thing)
[23:51:43] <Computer_barf> might have to ask earlier in the western day/night cycle