#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-01-17

[01:49:36] <anomynous> what is the point of cinnamon? Im looking at debian live images
[01:49:48] <anomynous> why they diverged from gnome?
[01:50:07] <XXCoder> dunno but I wouldnt use gnome, nor kde. I like xfce
[01:50:20] <XXCoder> expecially the 4.x one
[01:50:39] <anomynous> ive been using xfce, but im curious about cinnamon now
[01:50:40] <anomynous> :D
[01:51:25] <anomynous> also mate desktop ive never heard about
[01:52:09] <XXCoder> cinnamon if I recall right, is fork of gnome, but classic one
[01:52:16] <XXCoder> so quite lean compared to gnome
[01:52:24] <XXCoder> could be wrong though
[01:53:23] <archivist> witnit, it is fun watching an axis follow another :)
[01:54:22] <cmorley> cinnamon is a modern coded version of a blend of old desktop and new desktop styles. most people who do real work, don't really like Gnome diesktop
[01:54:40] <anomynous> never used gnome3 much
[01:55:34] <cmorley> Mate is a fork of GTK2 desktop similar idea of cinnamon but even more like the old desktop
[01:55:40] <archivist> I am just fed up with people futzing with UIs
[01:55:43] <anomynous> mm
[01:55:49] <anomynous> cinnamon sounds cooler
[01:55:50] <anomynous> :D
[01:55:53] <anomynous> ill try that
[01:56:02] <cmorley> blame Gnome and Ubuntu
[01:56:12] <anomynous> i dont blame. To each their own
[02:15:43] <anomynous> archivist, futzing? I havent used a linux desktop in a long time and cinnamon and mate are something ive never heard of ;D I wanted to try one. I prefer having a desktop over console, after all.
[02:15:46] <witnit> the only problem with various desktops and GUI is that they dont each swap with another and smoothly transition without disturbing some other aspect of the environment. IMO many desktop environments simply root too deep into the rest of the operating system for my liking
[02:16:40] <XXCoder> thats why I like xfce better
[02:16:45] <witnit> ^
[02:16:49] <XXCoder> more seperation.
[02:16:59] <witnit> thats been my opinion about it
[02:17:08] <anomynous> anything that labels itself as window manager instead of a desktop environment?
[02:17:11] <anomynous> :D
[02:17:13] <witnit> once it is refined a bit, it will be better i believe
[02:17:15] <archivist> I had to help a user on win8, how did that get out the door!
[02:18:06] <archivist> shite where you have to make gestures....
[02:19:41] <witnit> things such as file association and menu items should all be systemwide regardless of windowmanager or enviroments. it seems often those get broke if they are ever customized
[02:19:47] <anomynous> witnit, never thought of it like that. For me the desktop environment has been mostly a way to handle windows and have icons for things and have virtual desktops.
[02:19:47] <archivist> fading and transparency, just wastes processor cycles and slows things down
[02:20:42] <XXCoder> wooby windows lol
[02:20:59] <XXCoder> linux do have that, but lukcly easy to disable (its disabled by default)
[02:23:22] <witnit> well for what its worth i believe most of us prefer a simple system for our machines with seamless upgrades and problem free transitions to new and unusual hardware (like a different mainboad, network card, or video card)
[02:23:40] <XXCoder> and a system where compoments are swappable
[02:23:44] <XXCoder> linux isnt like that now
[02:24:12] <archivist> bling has no place on a working PC
[02:24:24] <anomynous> witnit, file associations should be system wide? How is that? No they shouldnt! :D
[02:24:30] <witnit> scalability of modular components, both hardware and software are rather important too
[02:24:41] <XXCoder> archivist: changable compoments is not always bling
[02:24:45] <anomynous> you should know what you wanna do with the file and type command filename :D
[02:25:02] <anomynous> the association is system wide in your head
[02:25:19] <XXCoder> for example if I want better file manager I should be able to just install and change setting. xfce does allow that, though not perfectly working.
[02:25:34] <witnit> well if they are preset in xfce and i install kde, kde should be like, ahhhh got it, you prefer OKULAR for pdfs
[02:25:49] <witnit> is all im saying
[02:26:06] <anomynous> no they shouldnt
[02:26:08] <anomynous> :D
[02:26:12] <anomynous> sounds too complicated
[02:26:13] <archivist> I prefer PDF to die
[02:27:06] <XXCoder> pdf is good standard for documents
[02:27:07] <witnit> im glad we ditched gnome as a distro standard
[02:27:09] <XXCoder> not books and so on
[02:27:20] <archivist> XXCoder, not for image scanned docs
[02:27:25] <XXCoder> indeed.
[02:27:51] <archivist> it is a terrible standard to look inside to get data as well
[02:28:39] <witnit> eventually we will be able to do an X-ray on an entire old book while its still closed and convert it to a text document
[02:29:15] <XXCoder> wont happen
[02:29:17] <archivist> scanning is effin hard work
[02:29:22] <witnit> could happen
[02:29:25] <XXCoder> unless ink was some form of metal.
[02:29:30] <archivist> fold out diagrams!
[02:29:42] <XXCoder> paper and ink is equally transparent to xray
[02:29:52] <XXCoder> archivist: you remember book scanner I linked to
[02:30:01] <XXCoder> I cant wait to get mine! should be fairly soon now.
[02:30:02] <witnit> maybe the paper hold a different density where the ink lies
[02:30:15] <archivist> XXCoder, no
[02:30:22] <Deejay> moin
[02:30:24] <witnit> and you could use harmonics to measure the paper
[02:30:27] <witnit> mojn!
[02:30:44] <XXCoder> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/czur-scanner-build-your-own-digital-library#\
[02:30:45] <Deejay> hoi witnit
[02:30:50] <witnit> depth penetrating harmonic imaging
[02:30:51] <witnit> lel
[02:31:05] <witnit> sounds like a thing
[02:31:16] <XXCoder> invent superman xray then as it's not same as actual xray lol
[02:31:28] <XXCoder> he probably can control how "deep" he views
[02:31:55] <archivist> https://www.indiegogo.com a broken website useless
[02:32:08] <XXCoder> oopd
[02:32:12] <XXCoder> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/czur-scanner-build-your-own-digital-library#/
[02:34:02] <archivist> XXCoder, I mean broken http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-32.png
[02:34:48] <XXCoder> interesting. noscript?
[02:35:15] <archivist> nope
[02:36:00] <witnit> nice
[02:36:12] <XXCoder> that looks like firefox, I use that too
[02:36:49] <XXCoder> one of your plugins may be inferening as I see couple unknown icons
[02:36:58] <witnit> archivist: https://youtu.be/WZLSCyXFUxk
[02:37:01] <archivist> they use 100 resources and 5.27 mb to do so little
[02:37:02] <witnit> this is the video from there
[02:37:19] <XXCoder> witnit: yeah its pretty amazing, should get it next month
[02:38:21] <archivist> camera above is an old idea
[02:38:42] <XXCoder> it is, but its convient package
[02:38:48] <XXCoder> I took foot pedal option too
[02:38:49] <witnit> the money is in the fact they streamlined it and anyone can use it, I would assume genealogy forums or librarians types would take it for a big hit
[02:38:52] <XXCoder> so both hands free
[02:39:17] <XXCoder> theres also special button thingy I got since I shared on fb lol
[02:39:48] <witnit> ntm automatic cropping and high speed collaboration, people will buy it foooo shooo
[02:40:36] <archivist> wont deal with fold outs, limited field
[02:41:07] <witnit> anyone got pick and place with video working yet?
[02:42:07] <anomynous> aaa
[02:42:12] <anomynous> how much you paid for the scanner
[02:42:25] <XXCoder> 200
[02:42:33] <archivist> ouch
[02:42:41] <anomynous> does ocr work well?
[02:43:01] <XXCoder> unknown, hopefully lol
[02:43:05] <anomynous> ;D
[02:43:11] <XXCoder> its indiegogo. always a risk.
[02:43:20] <anomynous> let me know how you like it
[02:43:23] <XXCoder> sure.
[02:45:42] <anomynous> hopefully for foreign languages too :D image scanned pdfs are useless. You cant text search them
[02:46:10] <anomynous> i hate it when im looking for some houseld appliance manual and its a scanned image pdf :E They first write a manual and then wreck it
[02:46:39] <XXCoder> isnt there way to ocr pdf files?
[02:46:47] <XXCoder> or in least extract all pics and ocr em
[02:47:26] <anomynous> im supposed to look for a working ocr software to read a published manual? I just read it like actual book then, look for toc and flick pages
[02:47:34] <anomynous> and read where the thing is im looking for
[02:47:39] <anomynous> instead of ctrl+f
[02:47:39] <anomynous> :D
[02:48:14] <XXCoder> maybe http://computers.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-ocr-text-in-pdf-and-image-files-in-adobe-acrobat--cms-20406
[02:48:44] <XXCoder> linux http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1456756
[02:51:33] <archivist> my scanning problem is not small http://www.collection.archivist.info/
[02:53:18] <archivist> this is more like the right way http://www.diybookscanner.org/
[02:53:41] <XXCoder> archivist: theres pdfocr linux utility
[02:53:52] <XXCoder> might try mass convert and check if nice or messy
[02:54:15] <archivist> you always have to hand edit the output
[02:58:39] <archivist> and OCR that http://www.collection.archivist.info/diva/systrondonner1626.html#p=127&z=1
[02:59:19] * SpeedEvil imagines cars coming with netlists.
[03:03:13] <archivist> that is a microwave synthesiser
[04:46:59] <archivist> a toy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coordinate-measuring-machine-CMM-CNC-Johansson-with-Renishaw-PH9-probe-/191783544308
[04:49:29] <XXCoder> nice
[04:49:37] <XXCoder> I wonder how buildable a cmm is
[04:49:44] <XXCoder> extudes and all that
[04:51:00] <archivist> why build if cheap enough on ebay
[04:51:09] <XXCoder> for lols? heh
[04:51:23] <XXCoder> true though
[04:51:57] <archivist> you will have a far better starting point, servo, proper scales etc
[04:57:43] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:57:47] <XXCoder> though what software?
[04:58:12] <archivist> there is a bit of probing in linuxcnc
[04:58:27] <archivist> not enough for a full cmm yet though
[04:58:34] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:58:45] <XXCoder> lol
[04:58:51] <XXCoder> single cmm calibration sphere
[04:58:59] <XXCoder> 354 bucks
[04:59:07] <XXCoder> looks like tow ball
[04:59:11] <archivist> they are not cheap
[04:59:21] <XXCoder> only 100 times more accure I bet
[05:00:30] <archivist> I cheated and used a probe stylus upside down as my datum ball
[05:01:18] <XXCoder> not bad as sphere there should be quite accurate
[05:01:20] <XXCoder> and precise
[05:03:42] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIscw-ciEg
[05:06:18] <SpeedEvil> Can't you just use a tow-ball, and rotate it?
[05:06:41] <SpeedEvil> I guess calibration would be more complex if you have to derive the shape
[05:06:47] <archivist> it is used for calibration
[05:07:14] <archivist> so is supposed to be better than gnats cock
[05:07:35] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:07:44] <XXCoder> cant calbrate with unknown shape
[05:08:13] <XXCoder> towball is "sphere" to us but it sure isnt smooth near-mathically perfect sphere to it
[05:08:36] <SpeedEvil> I gues you can't calibrate distance, but surely you can - with rotating it into several positions - eliminate any uncertainties in the shape?
[05:08:48] <XXCoder> reminds me of new silican Kg sphere. its so sphereic that if it was size of earth, tallest mountain would be inches tall.
[05:08:50] <SpeedEvil> Or do you actually need a sphere for some reason
[05:09:24] <archivist> you come at it from various directions to measure the error in the probe
[05:09:41] <SpeedEvil> ah - so it'd be a _lot_ more work
[05:09:56] <archivist> so you tell the software what the diameter is and then it works out the errors
[05:10:39] <XXCoder> heh precision paradox - you need accurate test to ensure its accurate
[05:10:49] <archivist> :)
[05:11:08] <XXCoder> I guess it was via methods that does NOT need accurate thing, like that weight balance thing, which can be very accurate by visual
[05:11:14] <anomynous> XXCoder, the one that is supposed to be new definition of kilogram in # of atoms?
[05:11:19] <XXCoder> indeed anon
[05:11:59] <XXCoder> its still physical, but in least this time it can be recreated as orginial Kg drafts in weight
[05:12:08] <XXCoder> none of Kg weights agree with each other now
[05:12:19] <XXCoder> cause is still unknown
[05:12:31] <anomynous> europe > usa. Proof: Pounds is defined as kilograms. You just mimic us! :D
[05:12:41] <archivist> corrosion adds weight :)
[05:12:53] <XXCoder> I wish imperial units die now
[05:12:56] <XXCoder> archivist: nope
[05:13:08] <XXCoder> its inside vaccum contain inside vacuum contain
[05:13:13] <XXCoder> so yeah zero chance
[05:13:21] <archivist> XXCoder, it does, eg iron to iron oxide
[05:13:26] <anomynous> you live in uk, XXCoder, right?
[05:13:31] <anomynous> dont you use imperials?
[05:13:34] <XXCoder> no oxygen archivist
[05:13:58] <XXCoder> vacuum container, which is entirely placed inside ANOTHER vacuum container
[05:13:59] <archivist> pure vacuum is also a dream
[05:14:18] <XXCoder> doubvle vacuum makes it largely proof from inrusion
[05:14:27] <XXCoder> anomynous: nah usa citzen here
[05:14:49] <archivist> largely is not = to totally immune
[05:14:53] <XXCoder> I know.
[05:14:57] <anomynous> so you were just being sarcastic funny by saying i hope they die
[05:14:58] <anomynous> :D
[05:14:58] <XXCoder> but tests show it was all good
[05:15:15] <XXCoder> anomynous: nope. I want imperial system to die. I hate foot, inches so on
[05:15:20] <XXCoder> I prefer meteric system
[05:15:23] <archivist> I am in UK and use both unit systems :)
[05:15:35] <anomynous> why
[05:15:44] <XXCoder> 5,632 foot in mile.
[05:15:48] <XXCoder> 12 inches in foot
[05:16:17] <archivist> because there is plenty of older stuff still in use
[05:16:18] <XXCoder> 3 feet in imperial meter
[05:16:24] <XXCoder> archivist: that does make sense
[05:16:32] <XXCoder> but its time to end new imperial stuff
[05:16:37] <XXCoder> imperial sized
[05:20:24] <XXCoder> anomynous: I mean, what size is 5/16? it takes bit of thinking more than simple mms and decimal. though there is one postive
[05:20:39] <XXCoder> it allows something like 3/10 which has infinite decaimal digits
[05:21:10] <archivist> 1/3 of a mm is also infinite!
[05:21:32] <anomynous> but theres no such size wrench
[05:21:33] <anomynous> :D
[05:21:35] <archivist> changing system does not get rid of that problem
[05:21:36] <XXCoder> indeed but from what i understand meteric dont use fractions in most size
[05:21:38] <XXCoder> indeed!
[05:21:49] <archivist> pi
[05:21:56] <XXCoder> archivist: no, but then no 1/3 wrench
[05:22:00] <XXCoder> 5/16
[05:22:01] <XXCoder> so on
[05:22:03] <anomynous> i cant tell what size it is from just looking at sizes. I need to convert it to metric
[05:22:06] <anomynous> :D
[05:22:30] <anomynous> is 5/16 bigger than 3/8?
[05:23:01] <XXCoder> nope
[05:23:06] <XXCoder> took me a second
[05:23:12] <anomynous> but you have to calculate it
[05:23:16] <archivist> XXCoder, someone is likely to want a 3rd of a metre
[05:23:24] <XXCoder> tip, just 2x top and bottom of second one
[05:23:36] <XXCoder> it has 16, you can then directly compare 5 to 6
[05:23:44] <XXCoder> but yes had to calculate
[05:26:57] <XXCoder> theres $15 cmm metric test sphere
[05:27:04] <XXCoder> dunno accuracy lol
[05:27:23] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Standard-CMM-Tooling-Ball-/321182168222?hash=item4ac7f2f49e:g:y04AAOxySOlSBQYv
[05:30:11] <MrSunshine> torque vs microstepping, is 4 microstepping higher total torque than 8 microsteps or will it be the same in the end
[05:30:25] <MrSunshine> like step 1 is same as 1 on 8 microsteps, step 2 is same as 4 on 8 microsteps etc ?
[05:32:49] <archivist> XXCoder, that sort of ball is a kinematic mount rather than a datum ball
[05:34:31] <archivist> MrSunshine, due to the magnetics you will get a shock when you see angle v command when using many microsteps
[05:35:52] <XXCoder> archivist: whats kinematic and datum though latter I can guess - reference shape or data?
[05:36:03] <MrSunshine> archivist: what do you mean ?
[05:37:07] <archivist> MrSunshine, http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/plot_normalisedb.php
[05:37:23] <archivist> this is a commanded angle error plot
[05:38:03] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:38:14] <XXCoder> .01 mm I assume?
[05:38:22] <XXCoder> because if inches thats huge error lol
[05:38:23] <archivist> degrees
[05:38:27] <XXCoder> ahh degree
[05:39:38] <archivist> there is a high res plots somewhere, lots to finish on that project
[05:46:14] <archivist> MrSunshine, what I have written so far http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/
[05:46:40] <archivist> I have not pulled out the microstepping error properly yet
[05:50:22] <Sync> with a regular servo or a feedbacked stepper driver that would go away
[05:52:17] <archivist> I know that but all the microstep wannabes are dreaming of extra accuracy :)
[05:52:49] <archivist> http://www.galil.com/news/servotrends/closed-loop-stepper-motor-performance-gains?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=01-16%20ServoTrends&utm_content=01-16%20ServoTrends+CID_99eb132dcec7ff54cbcbb34e1ca392e5&utm_source=Campaign%20Monitor&utm_term=Read%20More#overlay-context=news/servotrends/new-ethercat-io-controller/
[05:53:57] <XXCoder> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/gifstuff/Mind-Blown_thumb1.gif
[05:54:58] <MrSunshine> archivist: im dreaming of smooth motion
[05:55:04] <MrSunshine> not realy extra accuracy =)
[05:56:35] <archivist> I ran a large stepper on 8 microsteps and the magnetic error really affects it
[05:57:44] <MrSunshine> ive been running 5 microsteps on the drivers now and it has worked quite well
[05:57:46] <Sync> yeah, it is pretty useless without feedback
[05:58:03] <MrSunshine> most often within about 0.05mm of target dimensions without cutter compensations
[05:58:46] <Sync> hm, I should get one of those heidenhain angular measurement devices and take some measurements on the lehmann rotary I have
[05:59:25] <archivist> I just use an encoder to measure angle
[06:01:43] <archivist> see last image for the rotary test http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=wormtest
[06:03:01] <archivist> and the error output http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/plot_vertex2_normalised.php
[06:09:00] <Sync> yeah but I have one, and I can interpolate the 36000 line disc in it to death
[06:10:43] <archivist> 5000 line/20k edge is actually a bit low resolution and the input encoder is one 1000/4k
[06:11:38] <archivist> I first did this sort of measurement with an autocollimator, that is much worse
[06:15:44] <Sync> yeah, that is why I'd use a 36k line angular measurement device
[06:24:14] <Spida> archivist: nice writeup/analysis. .oO(microtepping in the first sentence is missing an "s")
[06:24:51] <archivist> Spida, such a lot missing so far though
[06:25:40] <archivist> tyop fixed
[06:26:52] <archivist> averaging the tooth error is a bit of a maths nightmare
[06:27:26] <archivist> because each measurement is not exactly in the same place for each tooth
[10:33:50] <thesaint> Sync, you have a lehmann rotary?
[10:44:16] <Sync> yes thesaint
[10:45:06] <thesaint> which one and on what machine do you have it? they look nice, i want one...
[10:45:21] <thesaint> i know they are very good.
[10:45:32] <Sync> buy one then
[10:46:16] <Sync> EA510 is the one I have, I think
[10:48:02] <rishik> emc storage & netapp issues can i discuss here ?
[10:48:10] <Sync> nope
[10:49:08] <rishik> please advise a channel for discussing isues on them
[10:49:20] <archivist> none on freenode
[10:49:59] <rishik> is freenode only for opensource products ?
[10:50:01] <thesaint> Sync, you happy with it?
[10:50:14] <thesaint> post a picture if you can..
[10:50:23] <rishik> ?
[10:50:41] <archivist> that is the idea of freenode
[10:51:52] <rishik> is java opensource ? still we have a channel on it ?
[10:53:07] <CaptHindsight> rishik: I think you're looking for the EMC channel vs the Enhanced Machine Controller
[10:53:32] <rishik> yes
[10:54:08] <CaptHindsight> how is your Sunday going by the way?
[10:54:10] <Sync> rishik: java is GPL
[10:54:39] <MrSunshine> a giant piece of lard ?
[10:54:40] <Sync> thesaint: it works
[10:54:45] <Sync> nothing special tho
[10:54:56] <thesaint> Sync, is it an older one?
[10:55:05] <Sync> yes
[10:55:15] <thesaint> i know the new models are good for very small parts.
[10:55:29] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/lehmann.jpg
[10:57:18] <thesaint> Sync, ok, cool..
[10:58:43] <archivist> that reminds me of the spanish rotary I have
[11:00:16] <archivist> bottom 6 images http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/Meca/
[11:00:40] <archivist> others were another auction on ebay
[11:00:55] <Frank__> whats that thing?
[11:01:15] <archivist> a dividing head
[11:01:29] <archivist> somewhat fscked
[11:01:58] <archivist> might be usable, the worm is a bit rusty
[11:02:12] <Frank__> ur selling or buying?
[11:02:20] <archivist> bearings had to be ground out
[11:02:30] <archivist> I got it for £3
[11:02:46] <Frank__> lol
[11:03:16] <archivist> worth that for the weight of bronze wheel
[11:03:32] <Frank__> exactly
[11:03:47] <archivist> cast iron free
[11:03:48] <Frank__> i was going to tell you for the steel only
[11:04:02] <Frank__> magic words
[11:04:34] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[11:04:37] <archivist> the missing parts dont really matter if I add servo to it
[11:04:48] <Frank__> we are kind of wired man, how many people would think like us? haha
[11:05:10] <Frank__> what would you use it for
[11:05:16] <Sync> the only annoying thing with regular dividing heads is the slop that develops
[11:05:21] <maxcnc> Q someone knows the syntax of FEATURES = enable #<_hal[x]> read only variables: 8 in RS274NGC
[11:06:07] <Frank__> hi max.
[11:06:08] <maxcnc> Frank__: hi friday i made a mashine running at 20.000mm/min on Stepeprs at 0.05mm
[11:06:33] <Frank__> like just on a friday?
[11:06:34] <Frank__> wtf?
[11:06:43] <maxcnc> did it for 15min and returnd at F800 to the dials
[11:06:53] <archivist> Frank__, as part of a hobbing setup
[11:07:12] <maxcnc> 0.02 offset thats the precion of the dial i guess
[11:07:26] <Frank__> oh sorry, u already had the machine i thought u built one in a day
[11:07:46] <Frank__> well i have some good news too :D
[11:08:33] <maxcnc> archivist tryin o find more thewn one way to get the motor pos fb to the g-code
[11:08:34] <Frank__> remember my "gantry bow to 0.8mm"? well i was making the calculations wrong and it comes up that the bow is about 0.27mm max
[11:09:07] <maxcnc> Frank__: as we said befor asking is offen the better way to do it
[11:09:33] <Frank__> sorry dont follow, asking what?
[11:09:40] <maxcnc> archivist your m66 workaround is great
[11:10:31] <maxcnc> Frank__: your weld tube block 2/4 tiny welds on the head side woudt have done the job without a bow
[11:10:32] <Frank__> looks like i am kind of sloppy with english today :D haha
[11:10:50] <maxcnc> ;-)
[11:10:55] <maxcnc> it is as it is
[11:11:01] <maxcnc> so lets work with it
[11:11:03] <Frank__> ohh i see, but the bow was made from the machining operation
[11:11:57] <maxcnc> so take as i suggest a blank steel 60mmx15mm and work hwin on that plate
[11:12:20] <Frank__> i made them make a little 3mm lap (?) to make a refrence linear guide taking too much material and stressing the structire
[11:13:40] <Frank__> ???
[11:13:45] <Frank__> dont follow again :S
[11:13:46] <Frank__> sorry
[11:26:08] * Loetmichel2 just ate the last pack of small cucumbers... thats the 6th 0,5kg pack this weekend instead of vaping... i am in the process to turn green and watery instead of giving off steam clouds ;)
[11:26:42] <pcw_home> The cucumber cure?
[11:28:16] <Loetmichel2> kinda like the two passengers in the train "did you just quit smoking?" "yeah, how could you tell" "You quench your cookies in the asthray" ;-)
[11:31:14] <beikeland> is it possible to launch installer from the running live cd? Usb booting installer hangs, but the live image boots okay from the same usb stick. Tried graphical, text and failsafe installs.
[11:32:03] <maxcnc> beikeland: ACPI
[11:32:32] <beikeland> should be disabled in bios. try re-enable?
[11:37:25] <maxcnc> you can go for F6 on startup and do NOACPI
[11:37:36] <maxcnc> There is more NOCAPI
[11:38:47] <maxcnc> Use "noacpi" shoudt do the trrick
[11:41:44] <maxcnc> PIZZA
[11:58:40] <miss0r> I just did some facemilling with a 80mm flycutter. And it seems I am unabled to make the overlapping of the two passes perfect. I did some measuering with my dial, and across the flycutter path I have 0.03mm level difference. I am thinking this is caused by the Z axis not being perfectly aligned. Do you guys know of a surefire way to measure the inacuracy of the z axis angle vs. the table?
[11:58:40] <miss0r> I do some 'some' adjustment possibilities.
[12:00:10] <SpeedEvil> miss0r: have you considered simpe spring?
[12:00:35] <miss0r> simpe spring?
[12:01:10] <SpeedEvil> Simple
[12:01:26] <SpeedEvil> I mean - it's not due to flexing with the fly cutters torque/cutting forces?
[12:02:26] <miss0r> ahh.. I am fairly certain it is not. it sounds correct when cutting. also; it's a quite massive indexable knifehead with room for 4 inserts, I just only run with one
[12:02:53] <miss0r> so it's sortof a flycutter :)
[12:04:21] <SpeedEvil> I don't mean flexing of the fly-cutter, but flexing of the machine
[12:05:31] <miss0r> well. everything is possible. but it it also quite possible that the machine is out of alignment. I have had that feeling for quite some time. Mostly due to me being forced to take it apart when I bought it home way back in time. So any factory alignment would be gone.
[12:10:59] <Loetmichel2> SpeedEvil: flycutters have near negligble forces
[12:11:09] <Loetmichel2> ther IS no machine flexing at all
[12:11:23] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[12:12:37] <Loetmichel2> miss0r:get a bar of 15mm stock aluminium
[12:13:02] <Loetmichel2> a bit more than half as long as your table depth
[12:13:12] <Loetmichel2> drill two holes at the ends
[12:13:53] * miss0r is all ears
[12:13:56] <Loetmichel2> one with the diameter of your dial one with a diameter fitting dfor a drill bit or round stock you have that fits your collet
[12:13:56] <beikeland> Seems my assement was wrong; it is only the usb keyboard that hangs when trying to install. I just never had the mouse connected till now.
[12:15:05] <Loetmichel2> then glue clamp the drill bit and the micrometer dial in your bar, clamp the drill bit end into your macines colled and rotatet the spindle by hand and measure the table
[12:15:21] <Loetmichel2> once the dial shows the same height everywhere your spindle is level
[12:15:33] <Loetmichel2> assuming your table is level of course
[12:15:37] <miss0r> ahh. excelent idea
[12:16:03] <miss0r> well.. I have 3 t-slots along the length of the table. BUT I will place some parralel bars and see where it goes.
[12:17:04] <miss0r> Thank you
[12:22:47] <archivist> miss0r, the operation of fixing is called tramming http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCMillTramming.html
[12:23:19] <Loetmichel2> miss0r: the cheap variant of that is a sharpie fitted into the flycutter holder, let be rotatting slowly and then adjust the z axis angles until it makes a complete circle the moment it touches the table
[12:24:33] <miss0r> Loetmichel2: indeed. at the moment I am ~0.03mm off over a distance of 80mm. I'm not sure I can improve it with a sharpie :)
[12:24:58] <miss0r> archivist: yes. thank you. I just found a youtube video showing something like that
[12:25:05] <Loetmichel2> i have done 5/1000 on 150mm with a sharpie ;)
[12:25:06] <archivist> dti is best then you know the error
[12:25:36] <miss0r> Loetmichel2: Then I take back my words :)
[12:26:15] <Loetmichel2> that takes a REAL flat and level table tho
[12:37:49] <PetefromTn_> looking forward to seeing if the Falcon 9 can land on the floating barge today. Should be cool!
[12:37:54] <thesaint> miss0r, you need to run a dail gauge across your table from the spindle and adjust accordingly...
[12:38:54] <thesaint> miss0r, look on you tube and start watching maching stuff, search for something like ẗramming your mill table..
[12:43:43] <beikeland> if you have t-slotted table of aluminium profiles, laying down a pane of glass/mirror was suggested to me, as the sections of t-slotted aluminum profiles made the measurements go zig-zag. helped me adjust it quite a bit; then milled the table flat when the spindle was true
[12:47:22] <thesaint> PetefromTn_, yes, that will be pretty cool..
[12:47:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah man hopefully it will be successful this time. It was awesome to see it land at the cape safely last time..
[12:48:27] <thesaint> there is some exciting space vehicle stuff starting to happen now..
[12:48:45] <PetefromTn_> it's been happening for awhile now
[12:49:07] <PetefromTn_> they tested the SR25 rocket system not too long ago again for the SLS
[12:49:48] <PetefromTn_> RS25
[12:51:29] <thesaint> pity the virgin vehicle blew up..
[12:52:44] <PetefromTn_> the amazon rocket successfully landed too recently and they are testing the smaller version of the space shuttle as well. can't remeber the name of it. The heavy lift models of the Falcon 9 are starting to be worked on too apparently.
[12:54:03] <PetefromTn_> If we can get back to florida I want to take my kids to visit the cape they have never been there.
[12:54:31] <thesaint> actually that was pretty fucking awesome, the amazon rocket landing.
[12:56:00] <PetefromTn_> I thought so too... its apparently not nearly as big or powerful as the Falcon 9 but still very impressive
[12:57:08] <thesaint> and now over to my little schaublin 70 lathe for some finishing off :-)
[13:01:56] <Sync> PetefromTn_: well, I don't think it is a smart idea
[13:02:03] <Sync> it is neat and a technical feat
[13:02:10] <Sync> but I don't think it will be reliable
[13:03:53] <PetefromTn_> T minus 4 minutes
[13:04:15] <PetefromTn_> http://gizmodo.com/watch-as-spacex-launches-new-ocean-satellite-and-attemp-1753411190
[13:06:14] <Roguish> thanks PeterfromTn_
[13:06:30] <Roguish> watching now. t-1:10
[13:06:39] <Roguish> foggy
[13:07:15] <Roguish> t-25 sec
[13:07:41] <Roguish> ignition
[13:10:09] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: "T minus 4 minutes" ??? Till you light your butt on fire?
[13:10:25] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Told ya not to eat those beans last night!!!
[13:12:43] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[13:12:57] <PetefromTn_> pretty awesome
[13:14:42] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_XSjVSjP7M
[13:16:44] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo love this
[13:20:24] <Loetmichel2> meh. no rockets impacting and exploding on droneships. Video link failure... "yeah, sure!" ;)
[13:22:50] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: You know the space program was just shot in a giant warehouse and now know as amazon distribution center http://graphics.portwest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Warehouse-interior.jpg
[13:23:38] <Jymmm> ;)
[13:24:22] <PetefromTn_> hehee
[13:24:47] <PetefromTn_> is your feed all garbled too?
[13:24:58] <Jymmm> feed?
[13:25:10] <PetefromTn_> stream
[13:25:31] <Jymmm> I'm not watching anything
[13:26:23] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: just teasing you a bit is all, and trying to learn this SDK
[13:26:40] <PetefromTn_> SDK?
[13:27:04] <Jymmm> A wifi module
[13:27:23] <Jymmm> SDK = Software Development Kit
[13:27:30] <PetefromTn_> ah
[13:28:54] <enleth> PetefromTn_: friend's comment upon seeing the SpaceX live stream: "oh, I see the graphics improved in Kerbal Space Program"
[13:29:04] <Jymmm> Couldn't figure out what the issue was originally. Then saw thedata sheet for my USB2TTL adapter is limited to 9ma@3.3v so had to add a 3.3v PS, and now sending it AT commands =)
[13:29:55] <Jymmm> You gotta love chinglish documentation... NOT!
[13:30:08] <PetefromTn_> heh
[13:31:55] <Loetmichel2> haha, nice name for the barge: "just read the instructions" ;) -> http://img.new.livestream.com/events/000000000047a75f/f10bcf3c-f4d7-45e2-a083-d5a7bff2f354_640x480.jpg
[13:31:59] <Jymmm> As a side note.... I WOULD LUST having that warehouse!!!!!!!
[13:32:07] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[13:32:26] <maxcnc> someone knows how to search the git cloned for a entry
[13:32:36] <PetefromTn_> LOL I know right that is so cool
[13:32:56] <PetefromTn_> Can ya hear me Major tom? ;)
[13:33:01] <Jymmm> 4 stories indoors!
[13:33:11] <Jymmm> You could even make an awesome waterslide!!!
[13:34:09] <Jymmm> You could CNC build a house, then transport it elsewhere,
[13:34:23] <maxcnc> why not build at place
[13:34:36] <maxcnc> cnc mashine is less weight
[13:34:39] <Jymmm> I really like those that the storage container IS the house, and the walls are stored inside of it for shipping.
[13:35:55] <Jymmm> maxcnc: too much waste and built together walls are awesome =)
[13:36:04] <Jymmm> bolt togther*
[13:36:33] <maxcnc> there are robots that build from scratch housings
[13:37:00] <maxcnc> but 5 people are faster
[13:38:11] <Jymmm> then those robots aren't setup properly imo
[13:38:42] <Jymmm> I think alot has to do with building inspectors not "getting it", thne failing something
[13:51:09] <CaptHindsight> it's about protecting tradesmen
[13:51:48] <CaptHindsight> but all the union breaking going on maybe prefab will become more popular
[13:52:08] <Jymmm> breaking points?
[13:52:38] <CaptHindsight> getting rid of unions
[13:52:44] <Jymmm> ah
[13:53:22] <Jymmm> Unless it's LITERALLY a single item, I never use self-checkout.
[13:54:27] <CaptHindsight> I like how self checkout treats you like a suspected criminal
[13:54:37] <Jymmm> oh, the scale?
[13:54:48] <CaptHindsight> so it's slower than using a checker/cashier
[13:55:26] <CaptHindsight> the scale and the sensors, you have to have an item clear the belt before adding another item to it
[13:55:41] <maxcnc> have a nice sunday im off coudt not find how to search git for infile lines
[13:55:43] <CaptHindsight> and the belt moves at a snails pace
[13:56:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I've never seen a belt in self-checkout,
[13:56:13] <Jymmm> like home depot
[13:56:28] <Jymmm> or grocery
[13:56:41] <CaptHindsight> most of the ones I have used have a belt
[13:57:15] <CaptHindsight> the small stations don't have a belt and they have issues as well with small or light items
[13:57:42] <CaptHindsight> or if you shift items around once they are in a bag
[13:59:21] <CaptHindsight> designed by criminals for criminals
[13:59:34] <Jymmm> lol
[13:59:49] <pcw_home> I always get "unexpected item in checkout area" on those so I have given up
[14:00:21] <CaptHindsight> I stare back at the person guarding the self checkout with suspicion
[14:00:26] <pcw_home> plus some local ones here were hacked to steal credit card info
[14:01:32] <Jymmm> that too
[14:01:53] <CaptHindsight> they wish we all had implanted chips, it would make their lives easier
[14:01:54] <Jymmm> pcw_home: That was home depot, wasn't it?
[14:02:09] <CaptHindsight> Home Depot was just one
[14:02:20] <CaptHindsight> Target was another big one
[14:02:23] <pcw_home> Luckeys
[14:02:28] <Jymmm> pcw_home: ah
[14:02:50] <pcw_home> little PCB added inside the box
[14:03:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Target.... 80 MILLION people were effected by that. Target's rsolution? Give them all 1 years of "credit watch". WTF
[14:03:32] <CaptHindsight> I can't even count how many I've heard about with unencrypted connections
[14:05:10] <Jymmm> pcw_home: They are now issing smart cc's that create an OTP transaction
[14:07:01] <Jymmm> WTF, $0.95 for one, seriously?! someone's on crack https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11892
[14:09:31] <CaptHindsight> cheaper direct from China, order now and have it by March 1
[14:11:40] <Loetmichel2> Jymmm: i would have thought about a dollar for a 100pack of these
[14:12:49] <CaptHindsight> since when is Sparkfun a charity?
[14:14:30] <CaptHindsight> their profit margin is capped by several boards that they resell...
[14:14:49] <CaptHindsight> they have to make it up by selling 10 cent parts for $1
[14:25:50] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOYXeJ53hY
[14:25:59] <skunkworks> totally not the way you should thread
[14:29:25] <CaptHindsight> what! you spread the error that way :)
[14:30:38] <skunkworks> I am sure is is just trying to show that threading worksish
[14:31:41] <anomynous> how you should not thread?
[14:32:59] <skunkworks> (he says to notice that the shavings are coming off of both sides of the cutter
[14:33:23] <anomynous> but they come off. What does it matter if they come off? :D
[14:34:41] <skunkworks> if you watch this video - you can see the shavings come off of one side
[14:34:43] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC9Ghj_I6OQ
[14:35:42] <anomynous> full profile insert
[14:46:30] <zeeshan|2> long live linuxcnc
[14:46:30] <zeeshan|2> :D
[14:49:54] <skunkworks> :)
[15:08:19] <Jymmm> Loetmichel2: Exactly
[15:53:25] <enleth> - A blind man walks into a bar. Then into a table, and then into a chair.
[15:59:32] <andypugh> PCW: Twice now I have been trying to put together a hardware selection for forum folk and found myself thinking “If only there was a smart-serial version of the SPIN1X” ie, an easy way to add a VFD interface without buying a whole 7i76.
[16:48:31] <Tom_itx> zlog
[16:54:14] <witnit> skunkworks: what was wrong with threading like that?
[16:54:40] <Deejay> gn8
[16:55:05] <witnit> see you D
[16:55:11] <Deejay> :)
[18:29:55] <C_P-Away> Sup...
[18:34:50] <malcom2073> Hi
[18:41:19] <andypugh> Strangely quiet today
[18:43:02] <XXCoder> sunday
[18:43:17] <t12> hi
[18:46:54] <witnit> football day
[18:48:28] <Frank__> yeah
[18:50:09] <Frank__> hey guys im having to dril and tap lots of holes for the linear guides for a cnc router the gantry is made of tubes and i can reach inside for putting nuts, and for the main structure i can reach about 3/4 of a meter for nuts, each side. should i do that or tapp everything? is one better that the other?
[18:50:35] <Frank__> i wont be able to clean the inside of the tube if the drilling is kind of nasty
[18:50:44] <t12> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brown-and-Sharpe-Bore-Gage-2-800-3-200-3-Point-Hole-Micrometer-0002-/231814880184?hash=item35f93e5bb8:g:898AAOSwX~dWmQW6
[18:50:48] <t12> woah thats a big bore mic
[18:51:49] <Frank__> comes with a magnet (?)
[18:52:03] <Frank__> whats the roundy thing
[18:52:19] <t12> calibration gage?
[18:52:32] <Frank__> :D noob here
[18:52:44] <t12> thats my guess i'm unsure
[18:52:50] <Frank__> hahaha
[18:57:40] <andypugh> Frank__: Is the tube more or less thick than a nut?
[18:58:26] <Frank__> tube + flat bar for machining = 1/2 inch
[18:58:49] <andypugh> How thick is a nut?
[18:59:09] <andypugh> What size thread?
[18:59:56] <Frank__> its normal metric 8mm bolt and nut or 7mm hole for tap
[19:00:03] <andypugh> If it is a tube with a bar on top then nuts will help hold the bar to the tube.
[19:00:06] <Frank__> tapp takes lots of time rightS?
[19:00:18] <Frank__> the bar is welded
[19:00:19] <Frank__> and machined
[19:00:21] <Frank__> flat
[19:00:39] <andypugh> Tapping size for M8 is 6.8mm
[19:00:54] <Frank__> i understand thats for alum
[19:00:55] <XXCoder> seahawks lost bad
[19:00:57] <Frank__> steel too?
[19:01:00] <andypugh> Yes
[19:01:03] <XXCoder> first time failed to enter finals
[19:01:23] <andypugh> The tapping size only depends in the material for thread-forming flutelss taps
[19:01:47] <andypugh> Tapping holes is very quich with a cordless drill :-)
[19:02:02] <Frank__> and strong too?
[19:02:15] <Frank__> the guides are hiwin 25mm
[19:03:11] <andypugh> A tapped hole is as strong as a nut of the same thickness. Nuts are (deliberately) soft relative to bolts.
[19:03:54] <andypugh> With 12mm of material thickness i would not even consider trying to put on nuts down a hole.
[19:04:14] <Frank__> deviation?
[19:04:27] <andypugh> ?
[19:04:36] <Frank__> i mean why wouldnt u consider that
[19:04:46] <andypugh> Can you phrase that question in the form of a quesrtion>
[19:05:08] <andypugh> Because tapped holes are so much easier than trying to fit a nut
[19:05:11] <Frank__> haha sorry english its not my first language as you might have already guessed
[19:05:29] <Frank__> i see
[19:05:35] <Frank__> for the 1.3mts gantry too?
[19:06:01] <Frank__> if its assembly convenience,, i guess that wouldnt be much of a trouble ?
[19:06:11] <andypugh> I prefer a tapped hole over a nut any time that it is possible to use a tapped hole.
[19:06:33] <Frank__> ok ill have to research about tapping as you said before
[19:06:38] <Frank__> with a power drill
[19:08:05] <andypugh> It needs to be a reversible drill with speed control. But with spiral point taps in through holes it is closer to how the taps are desiged to be used than using a tap wrench.
[19:08:29] * JT-Shop tapped thousands of 1/4-20 holes with a reversible drill
[19:08:32] <andypugh> I tapped 5 M4 holes into an iron casting earlier today,
[19:09:15] <andypugh> I get a bit scared with M2 taps :-)
[19:09:35] <Frank__> by speed control you mean the trigger speed control?
[19:09:45] <Frank__> i own only a common power drill
[19:09:50] <andypugh> M8 i would be more concerned about whether the drill is strong enough than whether the tap is.
[19:09:53] <Frank__> not the cordless
[19:10:26] <andypugh> Hmm, I would consider this more a job for a reversible cordless drill, to be honest.
[19:10:36] <Frank__> which one is that? haha
[19:10:38] <Frank__> ill check
[19:10:51] <andypugh> I cut the plug off my corded drill to use for something else abuout 5 years ago.
[19:11:14] <Frank__> hahahah
[19:11:35] <Frank__> mine has the option to go clockwise or counterclockwise
[19:11:41] <Frank__> thats the thingy?
[19:12:13] <andypugh> Yes, though you need to be able to be slow and in control.
[19:12:45] <andypugh> You should probably tap some holes by hand to get a feel for it
[19:13:06] <Frank__> yeah
[19:13:19] <Frank__> but i think ill go with nuts with the gantry
[19:13:36] <Frank__> idk
[19:13:48] <Frank__> never tapped a hole with a power drill
[19:14:00] <Frank__> or wrench on steel
[19:14:40] <andypugh> I think it works better than a tap wrench.
[19:15:16] <andypugh> And you can often get a drill in where a wrench won’t fit. It is easier to keep a drill straight.
[19:15:44] <Frank__> but you dont really need a precise speed or torque right?
[19:16:02] <andypugh> After 5 years or so I finally found a use fo my magnetic chuck. I wasn’t sure it would work, but it was fine. I did take gentle cuts. https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/HarrisonMill#6240922937265481842
[19:16:52] <XXCoder> nice
[19:17:23] <andypugh> Frank__: You probably want to have a screwdriving mode, with a torque limit. Though to be honest I just feel the torque and modulate the trigger. But then I have lots of experience in tapping holes.
[19:18:22] <Frank__> yeah i see.. i guess i should make some sample holes and check from there. thanks andy!
[19:19:23] <Sync> andypugh: classic job for superglue
[19:20:13] <andypugh> Sync: Rough casting, not very glue-able. The magnet worked nicely.
[19:20:15] <Frank__> i thought those chucks where quite common!
[19:20:46] <Sync> the casting is perfectly gluable
[19:20:50] <Frank__> but then i am a noob and i thought the superglue was a joke. lol
[19:21:00] <Sync> you just need a glue that will fill the gap
[19:21:21] <Sync> very common workholding technique for flat and thing parts Frank__
[19:22:17] <malcom2073> The glue thing both scares me, and amazes me
[19:23:29] <Sync> why does it scare you?
[19:24:43] <malcom2073> For nonsensical reasons
[19:28:51] <Sync> the only annoying thing is getting parts off sometimes
[19:32:12] <andypugh> Yes, that was another reason that the magnet was attractive.
[19:33:55] <Sync> well, with t slots it is not too much of a problem
[19:33:58] <andypugh> I have a definite superglue job coming up. I need to machine a tapered gib for my lathe apron. I am making a new apron too. So I will machine the taper, glue on the gib, and machine both the apron mounting face and the sliding gib surface at the same time.
[19:35:08] <Sync> yeah why not
[19:38:00] <andypugh> I have done something similar before to add tapered gibs to a mini-lathe. https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Gibbs#
[19:39:18] <andypugh> Originally the lathe had plain flat iron plates. They were held on with cross-head screws. The adjustment to allow the saddle to slide was that the screws were not quite tight. I really do wonder if the makers of that lathe had ever, actually, used a real lathe,
[19:40:31] <andypugh> Whereas with my current lathe my question is whether the builders and designers had ever, actually, met an accountant.
[19:41:34] <andypugh> On the Holbrook the cosmetic covers are a genuine 1/2” thickness of cast aluminium.
[19:46:33] <Sync> I shimmed the thing in my chinese lathe
[19:46:36] <Sync> works quite well
[19:47:05] <Sync> but I already made a cusn8p replacement
[19:48:22] <andypugh> I thoguht about shims, but the whole thing was terrible, especially as mine was also pretending to be a mill. To be fair you don’t need to hold the saddle down too hard on a lathe. Bit on a mill with V-way guides you really, really, do,
[19:49:45] <andypugh> Anyway, late here, and work in the morning.
[19:57:45] <malcom2073> Wolf_: https://sites.google.com/site/technoswapfest2/
[20:04:57] <Duc> evening
[21:01:23] <Wolf_> malcom2073: now that sounds good
[21:51:03] <witnit> good eve
[22:23:19] <trentster> Anyone have any idea what to use or where to buy strip brush to use round a CNC router spindle dust shoe?
[22:35:51] <XXCoder> trentster: maybe door broom
[22:36:03] <XXCoder> theres this door strip and keeps dust from getting under
[22:36:12] <XXCoder> around 2 inches long?
[22:36:17] <trentster> XXCoder: how, by cutting bristles off?
[22:36:26] <XXCoder> not normal broom
[22:36:34] <trentster> yeah anything from 2-3 inches long would suffice
[22:36:54] <XXCoder> oh got name
[22:36:58] <XXCoder> door sweeper
[22:37:09] <XXCoder> door bottom sweeper google gets results
[22:37:20] <trentster> let me google it I have never seen a non standard brrom
[22:37:31] <XXCoder> its designed to be bolted to door
[22:37:41] <XXCoder> but you can strip bristles off and use it
[22:41:17] <trentster> XXCoder: you sure it comes out the aluminium channel in a strip?
[22:41:33] <XXCoder> not too certain but look this pic
[22:41:40] <XXCoder> https://www.hagerco.com/graphics/assets/images/thresholds-and-weatherstripping-801S.png
[22:41:47] <XXCoder> I'd hazard a guess yes
[22:43:57] <trentster> XXCoder: thanks
[22:44:07] <XXCoder> np
[22:44:30] <XXCoder> you can always do rubbery plastic sheets
[22:44:35] <Jymmm> https://www.hagerco.com/Product-Listing.aspx?CatID=155&SubCatID=294
[22:44:41] <XXCoder> make something like big walk in ref cover
[22:45:31] <Jymmm> We have a winner... http://www.homedepot.com/p/Prime-Line-18-ft-Storm-Door-and-Window-Weatherstrip-T-8658/202639193
[22:45:48] <Jymmm> oh damn... nm
[22:47:15] <trentster> http://www.mcmaster.com/#conveyor-brushes/=10q9sov
[22:47:34] <trentster> wish we had McMaster-Carr in Australia :-(
[22:48:50] <Jymmm> trentster: Search for "Strip brush" https://www.industrialbrushware.com.au/products.php?catid=60
[22:49:20] <Jymmm> trentster: Call them and ask for samples
[22:49:33] <trentster> Jymmm: Thanks - your google Fu is strong :-)
[22:49:53] * Jymmm bows
[22:51:31] <Jymmm> trentster: (much of the time isn't just finding the right 2 (sometimes 3) key words
[22:51:38] <Jymmm> it's*
[22:51:59] <Jymmm> In your case, the 3rd word was australia
[22:53:07] <trentster> Jymmm: you should be a SEO consultant :D
[22:53:55] <Jymmm> trentster: I'm REALLY not fond of web dev anymore.
[22:55:05] <trentster> Jymmm: is that the industry you work in atm?
[22:55:23] <Jymmm> oh gawd no!
[22:55:43] <trentster> heh