#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-01-14

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[00:00:28] <bobo_> what is the red colored unit. plasma ?
[00:02:11] <zeeshan> no
[00:02:13] <zeeshan> tig
[00:02:17] <zeeshan> you spy
[00:02:52] <aventtini6> zee are you on?
[00:02:59] <zeeshan> aventtini6: ~!!!!!!!11
[00:03:01] <bobo_> I thought you grabbed mine
[00:03:05] <zeeshan> can you send me dialog 11 manuals plz
[00:03:28] <aventtini6> only HH
[00:03:32] <zeeshan> noooooooo
[00:03:33] <zeeshan> ;{
[00:03:34] <aventtini6> but i think i can find
[00:03:45] <aventtini6> let me give some calls
[00:03:53] <zeeshan> i have some
[00:03:58] <zeeshan> of the maunals for the fp50cct
[00:04:03] <zeeshan> but its missing some
[00:04:06] <aventtini6> do you have the mecanical schematic of the spindle head
[00:04:12] <zeeshan> yes
[00:04:19] <zeeshan> that is in the spare parts manual
[00:04:20] <aventtini6> i need to change the bearings
[00:04:25] <zeeshan> for the fp50cc?
[00:04:34] <zeeshan> or mikron
[00:04:36] <aventtini6> no for mikron
[00:04:40] <zeeshan> yes i have
[00:04:48] <zeeshan> i think
[00:04:59] <aventtini6> can you give me the spindle bearing code
[00:05:14] <zeeshan> shit its the maho
[00:05:16] <zeeshan> not th e mikron
[00:05:17] <zeeshan> :{
[00:05:25] <zeeshan> for mikron i got drawbar only
[00:05:35] <zeeshan> and the part number for the spindle
[00:05:40] <zeeshan> Nr. 153.03.52.01/0
[00:05:43] <zeeshan> is the spindle part #
[00:05:51] <aventtini6> shit
[00:06:16] <aventtini6> i need to change the bearings i suspect the bearings are dead
[00:06:19] <aventtini6> :)))
[00:06:25] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w79yvpn0ykjuw37/95.101.121.2.0_0.pdf?dl=0
[00:06:37] <zeeshan> which spindle
[00:06:38] <aventtini6> i dont know how complicated can be
[00:06:39] <zeeshan> vertical or hor
[00:06:40] <zeeshan> izontal
[00:06:46] <zeeshan> if its vertical
[00:06:49] <zeeshan> at least you can work on your bench :)
[00:06:53] <aventtini6> the verical
[00:06:58] <zeeshan> i dont think it's too bad
[00:07:37] <aventtini6> i know there is a procedure to alin the bearnings to get 5 microns max
[00:08:00] <zeeshan> yea by shimming them ithink
[00:08:03] <zeeshan> like for a transmission
[00:08:03] <zeeshan> same idea
[00:08:14] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mtxr7tbnnxhfuny/mh400e-8.3-04.png?dl=0
[00:08:15] <zeeshan> maho spindle
[00:09:28] <aventtini6> mesa still did not arive
[00:09:42] <aventtini6> so im in shit for 3 weeks now
[00:10:02] <zeeshan> hehe
[00:10:13] <zeeshan> need to keep a spare mesa
[00:10:36] <aventtini6> zee change the capacitors on the SPM module on the deckel
[00:10:48] <aventtini6> if it stays more the 2 months
[00:11:03] <aventtini6> and it has more the 45000h
[00:11:14] <zeeshan> aventtini6: not my deckel
[00:11:17] <zeeshan> when it breaks
[00:11:18] <aventtini6> on it they will dry
[00:11:18] <zeeshan> i make $
[00:11:19] <zeeshan> :D
[00:11:22] <aventtini6> :)))))
[00:11:25] <aventtini6> good
[00:11:29] <aventtini6> thats the way
[00:11:37] <zeeshan> i hope it becomes my machine one day!
[00:11:40] <zeeshan> its a great machine
[00:11:59] <aventtini6> i got a KRYLE KV7
[00:12:15] <aventtini6> with mitubishi drive
[00:12:34] <aventtini6> it runs on 30000/mm/m
[00:12:47] <aventtini6> its like a fucking racket
[00:13:12] <aventtini6> i got the job faster not on it 4 times then the mikron
[00:13:48] <aventtini6> but ballscrews are fuck un and i have 0,050mm
[00:13:55] <aventtini6> backslash
[00:18:04] <aventtini6> zee is all the manual on the maho up?
[00:18:10] <aventtini6> on dropbox?
[00:18:15] <zeeshan> no
[00:18:51] <aventtini6> the error codes are in english ?
[00:19:02] <zeeshan> for the deckel?
[00:19:06] <aventtini6> yes
[00:19:08] <zeeshan> yes
[00:19:09] <zeeshan> they are in english
[00:19:13] <zeeshan> you can swap from german to english
[00:19:18] <zeeshan> there is option
[00:19:20] <aventtini6> its philips?
[00:19:25] <zeeshan> no
[00:19:28] <zeeshan> guring
[00:19:31] <aventtini6> shit
[00:19:58] <aventtini6> i have a maho MH500c
[00:20:06] <aventtini6> and manual is in german
[00:20:08] <aventtini6> :)
[00:20:10] <zeeshan> haha
[00:21:11] <aventtini6> did you start the retrofit
[00:21:13] <aventtini6> ?
[00:21:14] <zeeshan> no
[00:21:18] <zeeshan> he's chickening out
[00:21:21] <zeeshan> wants to run the machine factory
[00:21:24] <zeeshan> i actually suggested it to him
[00:21:27] <zeeshan> to isolate any problems it has
[00:21:35] <zeeshan> cause retrofit will be a headache
[00:21:37] <zeeshan> he'll eventually retrofit
[00:21:55] <aventtini6> you have in plan to make the toolchanger?
[00:22:01] <zeeshan> yea for sure
[00:22:05] <zeeshan> machine is useless without the tc
[00:22:17] <zeeshan> i also want to make the automatic
[00:22:22] <zeeshan> hroziontal to vertical head transition working
[00:22:24] <zeeshan> theres some logic for that too
[00:22:37] <aventtini6> i never done a TC
[00:22:52] <zeeshan> the spindle motor is a servo
[00:22:54] <zeeshan> so its pretty easy
[00:22:55] <aventtini6> its a mechanical carusel
[00:23:08] <aventtini6> yes not complicated
[00:23:15] <aventtini6> exept tool changer
[00:23:19] <zeeshan> the tc has like
[00:23:21] <zeeshan> 23902380923108230823 solenoids
[00:23:23] <zeeshan> and 239082130921308923 switches
[00:23:27] <zeeshan> :D
[00:23:40] <zeeshan> i definitely want to see it working w/ the old control first
[00:23:43] <zeeshan> before retrofit
[00:23:47] <zeeshan> to see the order
[00:23:57] <zeeshan> like there is a pneumatic door that opens too
[00:24:04] <zeeshan> so much stuff has to be right
[00:24:07] <zeeshan> to stop it from crashing :P
[00:24:18] <zeeshan> it needs to know whether it's in horizontal or vertical mode
[00:24:24] <aventtini6> yes but the only thing you nead is the read 1 encoder that is on it ant the rest is simple relays
[00:24:37] <bobo_> isn't the TC hyd powered ?
[00:24:44] <zeeshan> bobo the clamping unit is
[00:24:50] <zeeshan> but the door is pneumatic
[00:24:57] <zeeshan> and the indexing is servo based
[00:25:11] <aventtini6> yes and and is a mechanical indexing plus a encoder
[00:25:16] <zeeshan> ther are hydraulic grippers
[00:25:19] <aventtini6> mikron has the same
[00:25:26] <aventtini6> yes
[00:25:40] <aventtini6> all off the TC is hidraulic
[00:25:49] <aventtini6> exept the position read out
[00:26:13] <aventtini6> some of them has the door also in hidraulic
[00:26:19] <aventtini6> but not many
[00:28:24] <zeeshan> i guess pnuematic cyl is cheaper
[00:28:32] <aventtini6> yes
[00:28:33] <aventtini6> sure
[00:28:56] <aventtini6> now i have seen some shit done because of traj
[00:29:10] <aventtini6> and im runngin g68
[00:29:16] <aventtini6> or g64
[00:29:26] <aventtini6> for all jobs
[00:29:28] <bobo_> maho --TC is all Hyd ,even door . only carousel is elect motor ,and tool gripers are mechanical
[00:30:06] <aventtini6> carusel is hidraulic indexer
[00:31:13] <aventtini6> i dont think it can be bobo because its precision
[00:31:31] <aventtini6> it must be a DC motor whit taco
[00:31:54] <aventtini6> so is not that fast as a hidraulic index
[00:33:09] <bobo_> my 600e2 has elect motor to rotate the carousel approx 1990 year maho
[00:33:38] <bobo_> 20 tool carousel
[00:33:49] <aventtini6> this is the firs one i see
[00:33:51] <aventtini6> :)
[00:34:08] <aventtini6> MH600e2
[00:34:09] <aventtini6> ?
[00:34:17] <zeeshan> gnite :P
[00:34:59] <aventtini6> its whit philips?
[00:35:09] <aventtini6> thell me its with philips
[00:35:15] <aventtini6> :))
[00:35:42] <bobo_> mine is not running yet . but from what I can see it will only change tool in vertical head
[00:36:06] <aventtini6> bobo do you have the manual in english ?
[00:36:18] <aventtini6> if tis with philips
[00:36:35] <bobo_> yes philips 432
[00:36:41] <aventtini6> god
[00:37:01] <aventtini6> manual is in english
[00:38:28] <bobo_> yes ,but I am not adapt at coping stuff to the web
[00:39:08] <aventtini6> brodher i need only the error page
[00:39:41] <aventtini6> i have Y01 Y01 error and i35
[00:39:46] <aventtini6> whats its says
[00:40:02] <bobo_> which manual are you looking for ? parts ,elect,programing ?
[00:40:07] <aventtini6> google is giveing me some shit when i thtanslate
[00:40:18] <aventtini6> no the error list
[00:40:25] <aventtini6> i have it in german
[00:41:16] <bobo_> and you need the dam thing NOW . big grin
[00:41:27] <aventtini6> or send it on whatsup
[00:41:33] <aventtini6> not now
[00:41:52] <aventtini6> but when you have time please share it
[00:42:00] <aventtini6> i searching it for 1 year
[00:43:07] <bobo_> sharing is not the problem. me being a computer putz is the problem
[00:43:31] <aventtini6> :)))))
[00:43:40] <aventtini6> your funny
[00:43:42] <aventtini6> :))
[00:44:04] <aventtini6> not problem only right me what it says on that 2 errors
[00:44:12] <aventtini6> but not now if you dont have time
[00:44:17] <bobo_> Y01 and I35 . correct ?
[00:44:35] <aventtini6> yes
[00:46:29] <bobo_> you going to be here for a while yet tonight ? let me try to look now . MH600E2 ?
[00:48:15] <aventtini6> yes
[00:48:17] <aventtini6> tnx
[00:48:30] <aventtini6> i wil be here its my special moment
[00:48:33] <aventtini6> :)))
[01:08:02] <bobo_> error code list cnc 432 ModDate 01,09,87 ( Interface errors "I35 input spindleand feed stop 0 - signal "
[01:09:14] <archivist> he timed out
[01:12:25] <bobo_> so much for those "special moment" . thanks thought archivist for waking me up
[01:12:38] <archivist> !tell aventtini6 <bobo_> error code list cnc 432 ModDate 01,09,87 ( Interface errors "I35 input spindleand feed stop 0 - signal "
[01:12:39] <the_wench> aventtini6
[01:12:52] <archivist> !later aventtini6 <bobo_> error code list cnc 432 ModDate 01,09,87 ( Interface errors "I35 input spindleand feed stop 0 - signal "
[01:12:53] <the_wench> will tell aventtini6 when he/she joins next
[01:13:32] <archivist> its early morning you are supposed to be awake
[01:43:12] <bobo_> aventtini6:when you see this "Y01" ="Y-axis pre alarm linear measuring system error" - X01 = X-axis -Z01 = zee -B01 = Baxis
[01:48:09] <archivist> see how I told the bot :)
[01:54:13] <bobo_> archivist is it just the "!" that does it ?
[01:55:30] <archivist> !later nick rest of text command ! must be first character on the line
[01:56:01] <archivist> needs the space after nick too
[01:56:54] <bobo_> thanks will try to remember
[01:57:43] <archivist> !help later
[01:58:04] <archivist> looks like I never added help for it
[01:59:38] <archivist> !wench learn help later is use !later nick message
[01:59:38] <the_wench> I have learned help later is use !later nick message
[01:59:45] <archivist> help later
[01:59:45] <the_wench> use !later nick message
[02:03:08] <bobo_> !later aventtini6: so what is my next assignment ? and do I get a Maho merit badge
[02:03:08] <the_wench> will tell aventtini6: when he/she joins next
[02:03:46] <bobo_> thanks wench
[02:04:46] <archivist> you did not do the second error message
[02:06:55] <bobo_> I am off to work on my sleep apnea project, but first
[02:09:17] <bobo_> !later aventtini6: error code list cnc 432 ModDate 01,09,87 ( Interface errors "I35 input spindle and feed stop 0 - signal "
[02:09:18] <the_wench> will tell aventtini6: when he/she joins next
[02:11:04] <bobo_> I am gone for now. thanks again archivist and wench for the help
[03:09:10] <Deejay> moin
[03:15:14] <Sync> haha yeah zeeshan
[03:17:08] <Sync> the TC is quite involved
[06:11:33] <zeeshan> :)
[06:12:40] <XXCoder> hey the zeeshan
[06:12:49] <zeeshan> hi
[06:12:52] <zeeshan> its freezin
[06:13:02] <zeeshan> archivist: alive? :D
[06:13:05] <XXCoder> everything here is on fire but no biggie
[06:13:21] <XXCoder> nah kidding, cold but not freezing. in house in least
[06:17:14] <archivist_herron> zeeshan, mebe
[06:17:21] <zeeshan> i finally won a hilger watts
[06:17:22] <zeeshan> :P
[06:17:28] <zeeshan> more than i wanted to pay
[06:17:30] <zeeshan> but i own one! :D
[06:17:38] <zeeshan> tb5-2
[06:17:39] <XXCoder> congats I guess heh
[06:18:03] <archivist_herron> I have a spare cooke troughton :)
[06:18:56] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hilger-Watts-TB5-2-Precision-Box-Level-/381512852913
[06:18:58] <zeeshan> whatcha think
[06:19:06] <zeeshan> fierce bidding at the end
[06:20:19] <archivist_herron> internet not working well on this box....grrrr
[06:20:26] <Tom_itx> zeeshan!
[06:20:31] <zeeshan> hi
[06:20:31] <XXCoder> whats you plan to use it for zeeshan
[06:20:39] <zeeshan> level machines
[06:20:48] <archivist_herron> that was in my watch list
[06:20:56] <zeeshan> haha archivist
[06:21:10] <zeeshan> i think i got it for an okay price
[06:21:15] <zeeshan> considering brand new they are 1600 bux
[06:21:30] <zeeshan> and everywhere else on ebay theyre like 450 usd
[06:22:12] <XXCoder> levelk machine?
[06:22:25] <Tom_itx> but you could get a level at the hardware store..
[06:22:38] <zeeshan> project manager!
[06:22:46] <zeeshan> see this is what happens when youre in management too long
[06:22:46] <zeeshan> :P
[06:22:48] <archivist_herron> hardware store shite
[06:23:17] <zeeshan> archivist: you have this exact one
[06:23:18] <zeeshan> right?
[06:25:39] <archivist_herron> I have not written the model number into the db http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=8285&subject=25072
[06:26:10] <archivist_herron> mine is in the black box, earlier were in wooden
[06:26:30] <zeeshan> yea this is in a bakelite box
[06:26:54] <zeeshan> looks same to me :P
[06:27:08] <zeeshan> im liking that level in the back
[06:27:48] <archivist_herron> I have two of those now
[06:27:56] <zeeshan> why!
[06:28:29] <archivist_herron> I remembered a few might want one and the price was right
[06:28:42] <zeeshan> how much :P
[06:31:03] <archivist_herron> ewwwww cost me a bomb PAID : £30.99 with PayPal
[06:31:42] <archivist_herron> got it in october, told you but you were not listening :)
[06:31:58] <zeeshan> cheap :(
[06:32:31] <XXCoder> still unsure what level machine is heh
[06:32:32] <archivist_herron> I though it best got regardless at that price, I have adjusted it a bit
[06:33:11] <zeeshan> present for zeeshan? :)
[06:33:16] <zeeshan> XXCoder: level machines!
[06:33:49] <XXCoder> something like this? http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/1155878/18719197/0/1298143826/SEOP_CHINA_AUTOMATIC_LEVEL_MACHINE.jpg
[06:33:50] <archivist_herron> I need a present of a vehicle, they want the van back here tomorrow
[06:34:31] <archivist_herron> XXCoder, wrong kind, that is a surveyors level
[06:34:33] <zeeshan> archivist:
[06:34:34] <zeeshan> WOW
[06:34:37] <zeeshan> i googled a video
[06:34:42] <zeeshan> and guess what i found?
[06:34:44] <XXCoder> archivist_herron: its quite ungoogleable
[06:34:58] <zeeshan> someone leveling a tormach lathe with a 800$ starrett level
[06:35:03] <zeeshan> tormach mill i mean
[06:35:05] <zeeshan> wow
[06:35:17] <zeeshan> that mill will never level!
[06:35:32] <XXCoder> linky
[06:35:40] <archivist_herron> someone in hefe metiones a 160$ starrett, .005" per ft wtf
[06:35:43] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/KuiHg6eJk6w?t=438
[06:35:45] <archivist_herron> here
[06:35:49] <zeeshan> no
[06:35:55] <zeeshan> their best one is 0.0005/12"
[06:36:00] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:36:04] <XXCoder> level
[06:36:09] <archivist_herron> the 8" is only .005
[06:36:11] <XXCoder> only much more fancy
[06:36:32] <zeeshan> archivist: the tb5-2 says 0.0005"/10"
[06:36:49] <zeeshan> i wish people would rate levels by degrees
[06:36:51] <zeeshan> not by their stupid slope
[06:37:03] <archivist_herron> I am guessing they beat starretts :)
[06:37:27] <archivist_herron> gnats cock degrees are silly too
[06:38:17] <zeeshan> well
[06:38:20] <zeeshan> degree m s
[06:38:21] <zeeshan> is what i mean
[06:38:57] <XXCoder> if I recall theres miliary degrees. 1000 degree per rotation not typical 360
[06:39:05] <archivist_herron> mil
[06:40:54] <zeeshan> okay after doing the math
[06:40:58] <zeeshan> even degree minutes seconds seems silly.
[06:40:59] <zeeshan> :)
[06:41:08] <XXCoder> I just realized, why not use mil degrees for machines? more accurate I guess
[06:41:15] <zeeshan> 0.00000087266462599738631250077077622838 degrees for 0.0005/10"
[06:41:16] <archivist_herron> this one is best mebe http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9357&subject=26695
[06:41:46] <archivist_herron> Cooke Troughton & Simms Ltd 8 inch box Level 1 div = .00025" in 10" .025mm in 1M
[06:41:57] <zeeshan> 0.00000072722052166443218716665666937324 degrees for the starrett (0.0005/12")
[06:42:02] <archivist_herron> half a gnats cock
[06:42:09] <zeeshan> lol
[06:42:31] <XXCoder> great units, gnat cocks.
[06:42:34] <zeeshan> archivist: that flat head screw on the left
[06:42:40] <zeeshan> is that wha tyou use for adjustment?
[06:43:03] <archivist_herron> that is just to replace the bubble I think
[06:43:06] <zeeshan> o
[06:43:19] <zeeshan> i thought it was on an eccentric or something
[06:43:39] <archivist_herron> well only the side bubble
[06:45:29] <zeeshan> archivist: ive been thinking of how to level the slant bed lathe
[06:45:36] <zeeshan> seems very odd shaped :)
[06:45:43] <XXCoder> magic
[06:46:22] <archivist_herron> I would use the clinometer I have
[06:47:05] <archivist_herron> just rig up something on the saddle and move it end to end
[06:48:23] <zeeshan> ill prolly put a test bar in it
[06:48:46] <zeeshan> actually then i gotta get that level
[06:48:47] <zeeshan> lol
[06:49:12] <zeeshan> maybe i can chuck a 246 block
[06:49:22] <zeeshan> and get the block level
[06:49:31] <XXCoder> I still could not find a place to buy a 246 block lol
[06:49:39] <zeeshan> shars
[06:49:39] <zeeshan> :P
[06:51:18] <archivist_herron> this amused me http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cmm+level
[06:51:31] <archivist_herron> the level is right :)
[06:51:45] <XXCoder> zeeshan: nice
[06:51:48] <XXCoder> 89 bucks
[06:52:06] <zeeshan> whats 89 bux
[06:52:13] <XXCoder> 246 block
[06:52:15] <XXCoder> at shars
[06:52:16] <archivist_herron> lots to me
[06:52:18] <zeeshan> yes
[06:52:37] <zeeshan> archivist: each graduate is how much
[06:53:02] <zeeshan> graduations
[06:53:13] <zeeshan> fak i need to get ready for interview
[06:53:15] <zeeshan> cya guys
[06:53:15] <archivist_herron> dunno, just not flat!
[06:53:21] <malcom2073> Good luck zeeshan!
[06:53:23] <XXCoder> how do you ensure level is level
[06:53:27] <XXCoder> zeeshan: good luck!
[06:53:29] <zeeshan> XXCoder: flat plate
[06:53:32] <zeeshan> thanks :D
[06:53:33] <archivist_herron> reverse it
[06:54:15] <archivist_herron> set plate so it reads the same both directions
[06:54:16] <XXCoder> upside down? or is it something else
[06:54:21] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:54:47] <archivist_herron> then adjust to middle, check again
[06:55:09] <XXCoder> kinda like strighting up jaws on mikll table
[06:55:17] <archivist_herron> one of the few instruments you can get right at home
[06:55:18] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:56:10] <XXCoder> heh for a sec I tought WTF when I sw 25-50-75 block. but its in mm.
[06:56:25] <archivist_herron> you need a reasonable surface to work on
[06:56:28] <XXCoder> if it was inches it'd be a monster precision block.
[06:56:43] <XXCoder> yeah could use very flat something like 123
[06:56:52] <XXCoder> assuming no Surface
[06:57:17] <archivist_herron> needs to be bigger than the level, stiff and be on a solid floor
[06:57:30] <XXCoder> makes sense
[06:58:09] <archivist_herron> my levels easily sense me lean to one side upstairs
[06:58:51] <XXCoder> your house that weak? heh
[06:58:58] <XXCoder> or is it that precise
[06:59:46] <archivist_herron> the level is that good, in the UK brick built houses, with wooden floor beams
[07:00:18] <XXCoder> reminds me of that gravity sensor thingy. it's so sensive it will detect people walking 10 meter away
[07:00:29] <XXCoder> softly walking
[07:01:44] <XXCoder> it was made to detect gravoty waves
[07:01:53] <XXCoder> insanely sensive.
[07:03:20] <archivist_herron> I have a report where the wind moving a tree was sensed
[07:03:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://theinspireproject.org/default.asp?contentID=4
[07:03:48] <archivist_herron> was an accurate pendulum clock
[07:06:20] <XXCoder> nice
[07:06:38] <XXCoder> I just read that scientists just finally detected gravity waves
[07:06:42] <Jymmm> XXCoder: It's one of many out there for VLF
[07:06:46] <XXCoder> they are confirming it and researchinbg
[07:11:40] <Jymmm> cool
[07:19:30] <XXCoder> there is amazing things upcoming, scientists found a way to convert algae to crude oil. same stuff as from ground
[07:19:49] <XXCoder> only it takes carbon from air so it dont cause warming
[07:20:03] <XXCoder> and theres few methods to turn plastic to oikl
[07:20:12] <XXCoder> means MUCH better recycle method
[07:21:29] * Jymmm hands XXCoder some tasty soylent green
[07:21:36] <XXCoder> no thanks
[07:21:42] <XXCoder> I prefer regular soylent
[08:37:43] <JT-Shop> what kind of oil do you use in the gear box of a lathe?
[08:37:55] <malcom2073> I use motor oil
[08:37:56] * malcom2073 runs
[08:42:52] <archivist> I dont have an enclosed gearbox, I mix a bit of car gearbox/back axle ep90 in with some random oil
[08:52:33] <maxcnc> Hi ;-)
[08:52:45] <JT-Shop> that must be what this mobil iso 68 is for lol
[08:53:28] <maxcnc> theorbtwo: its snowing here acording to your wildfire
[08:54:14] <maxcnc> Q: are this man9 pages only o the web or in a standard install from cd
[08:54:35] <maxcnc> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/
[08:54:47] <maxcnc> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/
[08:54:49] <archivist> type man on your machine!
[08:55:25] <maxcnc> What manual page do you want?
[08:55:43] <JT-Shop> I guess I have no choice but to clean the top of the lathe off to find the fill hole
[08:56:09] <archivist> JT-Shop, a bug was discovered in the motion man page which dates back to 2.5
[08:56:15] <maxcnc> LOL JT resell the chips
[08:58:22] <maxcnc> archivist thanks man toggle does bring up the function but the listing woudt also be nice
[08:58:37] <maxcnc> i know its in integrater manual and HAl
[08:59:25] <archivist> personally I think man pages are a thing of the past
[09:00:03] <maxcnc> woudt be good to get this all clear functions to the manual itself to
[09:00:29] <maxcnc> has there bin a new release this night
[09:01:19] <maxcnc> i see 2.6.12 in the top header
[09:02:26] <maxcnc> till later
[09:04:16] <JT-Shop> archivist: what is the bug?
[09:05:14] <archivist> [num_aio=[1-16]] should be [num_aio=[1-64]]
[09:05:45] <archivist> and I think somewhere I saw it mentioned as limited to 4
[09:07:01] <archivist> I tested 32 on my 2.5 seemed ok (didnt connect to the pins though)
[09:08:14] <archivist> there I was angling for a larger qty and it was a doc problem :)
[09:12:51] <JT-Shop> ok thanks
[09:14:02] <JT-Shop> it says the default is 4
[09:14:47] <archivist> default on that page, yes, I think I saw it elsewhere
[09:15:17] <archivist> not sure though
[09:16:30] <archivist> actually this page states 64 digital but 16 analogue http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_emc2hal.html
[09:16:43] <archivist> 2.4
[09:18:50] <archivist> no maximums on the later version http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/emc2hal.html
[09:19:25] <archivist> except the incorrect num_aio=1-16])
[09:20:14] <archivist> and If the number of analog I/O needed is more than the default of 4 you can add up to 16 analog I/O by using the num_aio option when loading motmod.
[09:32:09] <ssi> morn
[09:33:11] <MrSunshine> hmmm, had a 0.2mm movement in X axis ... new screws arived so i started investigating . .the freakin berings are the problem :/ angular contact but still they move ... need a shim :/
[09:33:19] <MrSunshine> and not a single drop of grease in them :/
[09:34:13] <Sync> well, you probably should have investigated before
[09:35:15] <MrSunshine> :P
[09:35:39] <MrSunshine> cant see any damage in the bearings so i guess a shim and tighten it again will do the trick =)
[09:35:40] <MrSunshine> and some greace
[09:37:17] <Frank__> hi everyone
[09:40:55] <Frank__> archivist! bothering you again :D, i measured my gantry flatness with the 0.005 per foot spirit level and i moves 1 and a half grades between end to end (1.3mts) which is pretty bad, does that mean that it bows 0.03 in? (0.005 x 1.5 * 3( 3 foot gantry lenght))
[09:41:39] <bobo_> ssi: wondering what's doing with the servo driver project. heard someone in Tn is 1/3 winner of lotto, could it be PetefromTn ?
[09:41:39] <Sync> MrSunshine: just buy some new ones
[09:41:54] <MrSunshine> Sync: and wait 2 weeks for them to come ?
[09:41:55] <ssi> bobo_: it's not pete, i'd have heard about it by now if it was :P
[09:41:56] <malcom2073> bobo_: If it is, he owes me a servo drive system :P
[09:41:58] <Sync> they usually are too cheap not to do it
[09:42:09] <Sync> wat, why would you want 2 weeks for bearings
[09:42:11] <ssi> bobo_: ask Sync about the drive, I have been slacking for awhile but he's up on it :)
[09:42:18] <archivist> Frank__, might be adjustable
[09:42:39] <Sync> yeah ssi lay off the FO4 and get back on
[09:42:48] <MrSunshine> Sync: angular contact berings arent realy ordenary stock in stores =)
[09:42:49] <ssi> I haven't been in fo4 in months
[09:43:02] <ssi> I need to relocate my electronics bench to the house, where there's heat
[09:43:31] <Sync> even if so, they will be here overnight MrSunshine
[09:43:44] <MrSunshine> nop
[09:45:13] <Sync> in what 3rd world country do you live that they cannot overnight bearings to you
[09:45:33] <MrSunshine> sweden :P
[09:46:05] <Frank__> how so arch? the gantry is formed by 2 welded 4x4'' 1/4'' steel tube, its not going to move, i am thinking 4 different grades of shims to grade it between each hole?
[09:46:32] <Sync> bobo_: coming along slowly
[09:47:12] <MrSunshine> btw, what type of greace to use in ballnuts ?
[09:47:21] <archivist> Frank__, it it level enough for the application, else shim/file/machine flat
[09:47:23] <MrSunshine> anyone has any ideas on that =)
[09:47:34] <bobo_> sync slow is good vers doing something else
[09:47:44] <MrSunshine> grease ?
[09:47:56] <Frank__> i've send it to machine " flat " lol
[09:47:59] <archivist> MrSunshine, I would use general purpose
[09:48:01] <Frank__> this is how it came
[09:48:10] <Sync> that depends, MrSunshine, look in the datasheet
[09:48:12] <Sync> mine are oiled
[09:48:26] <Frank__> the thing is wont linear guides bind?
[09:49:02] <archivist> Frank__, often the clamping bends it, complain, get them to fix it
[09:50:10] <Frank__> oh belive me, for them its perfectly flat. it freaks me out
[09:50:22] <archivist> Frank__, also some material will have built in strain that is released when machined
[09:53:33] <Nick001> <ssi> Do you have your Hardinge setup info online ?
[10:00:30] <bobo_> Nick001 what is the difference between the Hardinge setup of JT-Shops setup vers the setup ssi has ?
[10:04:36] <Nick001> ssi uses resolvers vs JT's encoders
[10:04:59] <archivist> zeeshan, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hilger-Watts-TBS-2-Precision-Box-Level-8x8-TBS2-/291659096054
[10:06:00] <Frank__> yes, im kind of down, i dont really know what to do
[10:08:50] <maxcnc> Hi ;-)
[10:09:05] <archivist> Frank__, you can add webs to pull stuff straight, but without a pictures no one can say
[10:11:56] <maxcnc> is frank in the finishing his wood chipper
[10:13:11] <Sync> archivist: ohh he also has a nice polygon :3
[10:14:14] <maxcnc> Frank__: are you up and running today
[10:14:27] <maxcnc> so what does the dial say
[10:15:00] <Frank__> im kind of frustrated righ now
[10:15:07] <maxcnc> not so good
[10:15:12] <Frank__> i was telling archivist
[10:15:24] <archivist> Sync, silly price though !
[10:15:30] <Frank__> i have in the gantry i think 0.03 bow at 4 feet gantry
[10:15:45] <Frank__> in the "machined" guides
[10:16:00] <Sync> well it is okay, the things are incredibly expensive new
[10:16:08] <maxcnc> inch or mm
[10:16:16] <maxcnc> for wood is ok
[10:16:39] <archivist> Sync, I didnt pay that for my little one :)
[10:16:50] <Frank__> inch
[10:17:02] <maxcnc> Frank__: 4feet mashine size or only the mesure way
[10:17:07] <Frank__> in mm i think its 0.8
[10:17:13] <Frank__> thats the gantry span
[10:17:36] <Sync> I did not pay that much for min either, but it is reasonable
[10:17:53] <Frank__> im not concerned on precision but on linear guides durabilty and not binding
[10:18:10] <maxcnc> so grap a dial FIX it on the YZ hold on X frame at ISO G53 Zero
[10:18:17] <maxcnc> and move along X
[10:18:38] <maxcnc> see if you got frame liniar guide ofsets
[10:19:04] <maxcnc> correct first at G53 X zero longness
[10:19:14] <maxcnc> then mesure the other guide in X
[10:19:39] <maxcnc> then y is littel triggy
[10:19:44] <archivist> g codes are not relevant at this stage of a build
[10:20:00] <maxcnc> only to show the point to be Zero
[10:20:16] <maxcnc> ISO coordinate systems count at buildup
[10:20:22] <archivist> this is a mechanical issue
[10:20:56] <maxcnc> therfor he needs to meshure the point where it fails from one Maschine point
[10:21:20] <maxcnc> so G53 is the point of interest here
[10:21:32] <Frank__> u telling me max?
[10:21:37] <Frank__> i dont have electronics working
[10:21:37] <archivist> its not built thete is no gcode
[10:21:39] <maxcnc> yes
[10:21:42] <Frank__> haha
[10:21:45] <Frank__> im building
[10:21:55] <Frank__> machine came from machining a couple days ago
[10:22:00] <Frank__> i am cleaning and paiting
[10:22:04] <Frank__> then holes... T_T
[10:22:05] <maxcnc> archivist the point not the control
[10:22:20] <Frank__> they didnt even drilled the holes
[10:22:27] <maxcnc> the point ia always there even if non electronics is setup
[10:22:34] <archivist> he is measuring the straightness on one axis
[10:22:49] <maxcnc> thats what im telling him to do
[10:23:01] <maxcnc> where to start and from there
[10:23:14] <maxcnc> by hand moving the rails
[10:23:23] <Frank__> i was thinking on shiming with 4 grades of thickenss
[10:23:28] <Frank__> to get to 0.8mm
[10:24:30] <maxcnc> Frank__: your frame is 4x4 inch tube rectangle
[10:24:32] <archivist> Frank__, before you go too far, see how much it bends under your proposed Z weight and keep that in mind when you add shims
[10:24:44] <Frank__> yes 2 of them welded together
[10:25:25] <Frank__> but the shims would be 90� from the z axis weight deflection
[10:25:36] <Frank__> ill upload a pic
[10:25:48] <maxcnc> ok i need to read the logs cause im talking on X movement and you on z i guess
[10:26:19] <irontree9> I was reading about how moglice (fancy epoxy) is used to replicate known flat surfaces, but I guess shims would be easier to work with.
[10:26:44] <archivist> fills gaps
[10:27:56] <Frank__> no, im talking that i send the gantry of the rotuer to get machined, but i measured with the spirit level that it has a bow in the middle of aprox 0.8mm and i dont know what to do to it to keep it flat enough for the linear guide not to bind
[10:28:08] <ssi> Nick001: I don't think so
[10:28:20] <Frank__> besides when i compare the top and bottom guides they arent in the same angle
[10:28:28] <archivist> Frank__, for a real kludge, if possible, you can run beads of weld on the rear to pull something straight
[10:28:42] <Frank__> on is half a grade (0.0005) x feet from the other
[10:29:03] <Sync> irontree9: dhw is the better choice for aligning machines
[10:29:07] <Frank__> i tryed that before i sent everytihng to stress relief but it would do nothing
[10:29:12] <Frank__> even on 3.2 mm welds
[10:29:37] <Frank__> when welding the machining tabs or flat bars the hole thing bowed 1.5mm in the middle
[10:29:44] <Frank__> and i couldnt straighten it that way
[10:29:54] <Nick001> <ssi> Could you PM me a copy or post them
[10:30:25] <ssi> yeah, if I ever get that machine back up again :)
[10:30:37] <ssi> I need to get the configs into git, which is where I've got some of my newer machines' configs
[10:30:48] <maxcnc> Frank__: so its the Y axis that troubles as you weldet this 4x4
[10:30:50] <archivist> Frank__, or just weld a web along the gantry to pull it
[10:30:57] <Frank__> here goes a pic of the gantry from the side to understand a little better
[10:30:58] <Frank__> http://imgur.com/Mkmt6O9
[10:31:34] <maxcnc> that does not matter ad all you mount your rails to the front
[10:31:53] <Frank__> yes i think i could do that, but it would be a real hassle now that everyhting is "machined" and stress relived
[10:31:56] <maxcnc> and straiten them to the part table
[10:31:59] <archivist> those strips have bowed it hollow?
[10:32:22] <maxcnc> move on building
[10:32:34] <Frank__> the 9.5mm flat bars to get machined bowed 2x 4x4'' 1/4'' steel tubes
[10:32:57] <Frank__> i kind of helped with it, i didnt waited for it to cool down before laying more welds
[10:33:01] <maxcnc> noone will see .8mm in the holes from the rails
[10:33:21] <Nick001> <ssi> Just need the resolver connections. There's a 1X and 2X and I think those the voltage leads.
[10:33:47] <ssi> it's been a long time
[10:33:52] <Frank__> i dont get your idea max
[10:33:52] <archivist> maxcnc, do you not realise cuts will be curved unless he fixes it
[10:33:55] <ssi> are you using a 7i49?
[10:34:15] <maxcnc> archivist there are no rails only the fraim
[10:34:25] <Frank__> i think he believes that the holes are 0.8 mm deviated maybe?
[10:34:37] <archivist> the rails will bend to the frame form
[10:34:37] <maxcnc> the frame is not responsabel for the railalinment
[10:34:40] <Nick001> using 3 cards - not sure which ones - not at the shop right now
[10:35:22] <Frank__> thats why i was thinking on shimming
[10:35:36] <archivist> shimming will be reasonable
[10:35:40] <ssi> 3 cards sounds like pico resolver converters
[10:35:45] <ssi> which I believe is what you had before
[10:35:51] <Frank__> with steel spring sheet?
[10:35:52] <maxcnc> archivist if you tight them to it but usilay i go for a ofset at 2mm
[10:35:54] <Nick001> Mesa says the resolver card is the special one he had to make up for the Hardinge resolvers
[10:35:57] <Frank__> between every hole
[10:36:26] <archivist> where needed :)
[10:36:27] <Frank__> 2mm bow of the linear guide?
[10:36:34] <ssi> yes, that's what I have
[10:36:38] <ssi> 7i49HV I think
[10:36:38] <Nick001> The Pico cards are on the first Hardinge and they're still working
[10:36:51] <Nick001> Right
[10:37:45] <maxcnc> archivist its littel more work but you always can do somthing if the temp differences bow your frame
[10:37:57] <ssi> I don't recall anything unusual in the wiring
[10:39:01] <Nick001> The second Hardinge is apart and the cable ends are to terminal strips. Just have to start connecting things together - like limit switches and home switches
[10:39:08] <maxcnc> archivist ive seen people building mashines with double sscrews to get strait
[10:39:18] <ssi> are you using the stock motors and drives?
[10:39:39] <Nick001> Just not clear on the resolver connections
[10:39:59] <ssi> well there should be a drive +/-, sin +/-, and cos +/-
[10:40:31] <Nick001> same motors and AMC drives- Getting rid of the GE axis drivers
[10:40:42] <ssi> yeah I've thought about doing the same
[10:41:58] <Nick001> Bigest thing to get rid of is the tachs - The X tach is forever loading up with oil and has to be cleaned
[10:42:23] <ssi> are you planning on running in torque mode on the amc drives+
[10:44:31] <Nick001> something like that - I'm not up on the terms The +/- relates to the 1X and 2X but which is which?
[10:44:48] <ssi> no, +/- is because they're differential signals
[10:45:10] <ssi> http://www.amci.com/tutorials/images/resolver-schematic.gif
[10:45:31] <ssi> 1x/2x must refer to resolver impedance ratio :D
[10:48:53] <Nick001> then where are they hooked up?
[10:49:54] <Frank__> sry max double screws?? hows that
[10:50:15] <maxcnc> whear stuff i will send a picture
[10:50:31] <Nick001> be back in 20 min - chores and go to shop
[11:00:19] <Frank__> thanks fot the help max
[11:00:44] <Frank__> im kind of doing thinkg in the meanwhile thats why i take a while to answer but thank you!
[11:04:28] <maxcnc> im uploading
[11:05:24] <Frank__> :D
[11:05:40] <maxcnc> http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/heeks_w.png
[11:06:00] <maxcnc> sometimes it takes some seconds to cioonstruct
[11:06:16] <maxcnc> the screws are in line ;._)
[11:06:25] <maxcnc> but you get the point
[11:06:50] <maxcnc> between 2 fix screws there is a adyust one
[11:07:00] <maxcnc> up and down
[11:07:29] <maxcnc> yust make a tread in the rail frame
[11:08:11] <maxcnc> i use 2mm max on this crazie stuff
[11:08:21] <Frank__> thats a flat bar steel?
[11:08:32] <maxcnc> its the rail itself
[11:08:53] <maxcnc> you only need to get the point
[11:09:02] <maxcnc> but i can do it with the rail if you like
[11:09:13] <maxcnc> yust puted some stuff together
[11:09:48] <maxcnc> the holes in the rails are most 200mm in between
[11:10:02] <maxcnc> so you can adyust every 200mm
[11:10:20] <Frank__> i have a profile rail
[11:10:22] <Frank__> hiwin linear guide
[11:11:04] <maxcnc> oh then you need to underput 1mm stripes harden steel
[11:11:16] <maxcnc> you can get thim in 0.1mm steps
[11:11:31] <maxcnc> and 0.1 to0.01
[11:11:40] <maxcnc> in 0.01 steps
[11:11:59] <maxcnc> so you are rely dome but its not the best
[11:12:09] <maxcnc> realy done ;-)
[11:12:30] <maxcnc> i need to go off i think long workingday started at 5:30 Mesz
[11:13:05] <maxcnc> OR go for a plain plate as you guessed it
[11:14:36] <maxcnc> the plasma got a THC so it doesen matter at all here
[11:15:49] <Frank__> exactly
[11:16:14] <Frank__> its a shame they made an awfull work at the machining
[11:16:18] <Frank__> with the machining
[11:16:18] <Frank__> sry
[11:16:23] <maxcnc> what is your main work does .8mm raly matter in wood
[11:16:40] <Frank__> i dont think so,
[11:16:48] <Frank__> the thing is the durability of the linear guides
[11:16:55] <Frank__> they run on tight tolerances
[11:17:17] <maxcnc> you can adjust it even if you are done
[11:17:22] <maxcnc> go building it
[11:17:33] <maxcnc> see how it comes out
[11:18:02] <maxcnc> always first part milling bevor mesuring the mashine makes things smoother
[11:18:42] <Frank__> yes..
[11:18:49] <Frank__> now the drilling
[11:19:10] <Frank__> i think i should put the guide on the machined flat surface and mark it then make the holes
[11:21:13] <Nick001-shop> where is the log file?
[11:21:44] <maxcnc> Nick for the chanel
[11:22:37] <Nick001-shop> dumb question What??
[11:22:56] <maxcnc> log file of what ?
[11:23:57] <Nick001-shop> of this group for the 30 min I was away
[11:24:19] <malcom2073> .zlog
[11:24:22] <maxcnc> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc/2016-01-14.html
[11:24:31] <malcom2073> zlog
[11:24:48] <Nick001-shop> thanks
[11:25:12] <malcom2073> One of these days I should crack open my bouncers logs and make it so I can search through it easier
[11:26:03] <archivist> mine are in mysql
[11:26:17] <malcom2073> Mine are in sqlite
[11:26:28] <archivist> ew
[11:26:32] <malcom2073> But the bouncer gets funny when I open the database at the same time it's using it
[11:26:36] <malcom2073> And the file is like... 4 gigs
[11:27:57] <maxcnc> Frank__: the wood chipper
[11:28:01] <maxcnc> http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/pl.jpg
[11:28:03] <maxcnc> ;-)
[11:28:21] <Frank__> hahaaa nice thats yours?
[11:28:35] <Frank__> but plasma right
[11:28:40] <maxcnc> i got 5 build of this also 4 plasmas
[11:28:48] <maxcnc> same frame
[11:28:54] <maxcnc> different systems
[11:28:59] <Frank__> 5 of those?
[11:29:02] <maxcnc> Tread triffen
[11:29:04] <Frank__> for you or different people
[11:29:11] <maxcnc> or rack pinion
[11:29:20] <maxcnc> different people
[11:29:26] <maxcnc> no space here
[11:29:33] <malcom2073> Frank__: Got a picture of your design?
[11:29:38] <malcom2073> I'm working on a 4x8 using 4x4 tube
[11:29:39] <Frank__> sure
[11:29:46] <malcom2073> Working on designing*
[11:30:53] <Frank__> http://imgur.com/gf9C7Ng3
[11:31:07] <Frank__> mine is 4x4 1/4'' tube
[11:31:15] <malcom2073> Not there, private?
[11:31:28] <Frank__> mm wire
[11:31:34] <archivist> missed a character or three?
[11:31:35] <Frank__> give me asec
[11:31:50] <Frank__> http://imgur.com/gf9C7Ng
[11:31:57] <Frank__> added 1 haha
[11:32:07] <malcom2073> Ah nice
[11:32:33] <Frank__> yeah, im kind of scared right now, never done anything like this
[11:32:42] <Frank__> and now i have to do the drilling
[11:32:50] <malcom2073> Yeah the drilling isn't going tob e fun heh
[11:33:02] <Frank__> im scared as SH@#
[11:33:07] <Frank__> haha
[11:33:16] <malcom2073> Nah don't be scared, experience is awesome :-D
[11:36:18] <Frank__> hand drilling comes straight enough??
[11:38:44] <ssi> steel tube?
[11:38:50] <Frank__> yeah
[11:38:54] <malcom2073> Eh, I'm gonna use my mill to drill mine heh
[11:39:09] <ssi> drilling and tapping steel tube isn't that bad
[11:39:20] <MrSunshine> aaand the new ballscrew is bent like hell
[11:39:25] <Frank__> its really thich :/
[11:39:33] <ssi> 1/4" wall?
[11:39:37] <ssi> overkillllllll
[11:39:41] <Frank__> + flat steel bar
[11:39:42] <Frank__> haha
[11:39:43] <archivist> worth getting machine taps rather than hand taps
[11:40:00] <malcom2073> yeah, my 4x8 is using 2" 1/8" tube, and is going to be capable of cutting aluminum heh
[11:40:14] <Frank__> what are those? haha
[11:40:20] <ssi> my plasma table is made of 3/16" wall steel tubing
[11:40:33] <ssi> the table part, that holds 100 gal of water and potentially a thousand pounds of steel plate as a workpiece
[11:40:39] <ssi> the gantry is made of 1/8" wall aluminum tubing
[11:40:58] <maxcnc> the major came in for a hurry order ;-)
[11:41:06] <Frank__> i will be cutting wood
[11:41:07] <maxcnc> i got to do more
[11:41:10] <Frank__> really faaaast :D
[11:41:38] <Frank__> 1kw servos
[11:41:40] <Frank__> x4
[11:41:49] <Frank__> precision: none
[11:41:50] <Frank__> haha
[11:42:04] <malcom2073> Heh, well it's likely goign to be more than strong enough
[11:43:33] <maxcnc> malcom2073: moition rela quick and low cost http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/x_antr.jpg
[11:44:25] <malcom2073> maxcnc: I'm either doing rack and pinion, or servobelt
[11:45:38] <maxcnc> shoudt i upload a belt pinion drive pic
[11:46:30] <malcom2073> http://machinedesign.com/site-files/machinedesign.com/files/uploads/2013/11/Bell-Everman-Belt-driven-linear-actuators.jpg
[11:46:32] <malcom2073> That
[11:46:47] <maxcnc> folks you may help me how do i find a *.ngc in a Document folder
[11:47:31] <maxcnc> melc this will give you a whear belt after a wile
[11:47:43] <maxcnc> i got realy bad expirience on that setup
[11:48:44] <archivist> open a terminal type locate *.ngc
[11:55:07] <maxcnc> archivist but in only a subfolder
[11:56:12] <maxcnc> ok a quick work http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/koi.png
[11:56:27] <maxcnc> got to make money now 200Euros for 15min ;-)
[11:56:37] <maxcnc> ok its the major so 85.-
[11:56:51] <maxcnc> going to plasma
[11:57:21] <malcom2073> huh
[11:57:27] <malcom2073> What an interesting fellow
[11:59:28] <MrSunshine> hmm to straighten something, find the highest spot and bend it back there, then work around until all highspots are gone ?
[12:00:13] <malcom2073> And be careful to not make it wavy
[12:00:31] <archivist> or use a file or scraper or
[12:00:51] <MrSunshine> malcom2073: yeah :/
[12:01:02] <MrSunshine> its a huge long bend it looks like when i rotate it on the machine ...
[12:01:18] <archivist> I use a roller for thing sheet metal
[12:01:20] <archivist> thin
[12:02:28] <MrSunshine> who are you talking with? =)
[12:03:03] <malcom2073> Whoever is trying to straighten something?
[12:03:05] <malcom2073> :P
[12:03:07] <MrSunshine> haha :P
[12:03:10] <archivist> :)
[12:03:16] <MrSunshine> for sheet metal ?
[12:04:08] <archivist> you need to say what you are straightening
[12:04:32] <MrSunshine> ahh a ballscrew =)
[12:05:05] <archivist> there is a youtube of a guy straightening shafts with a press
[12:05:38] <archivist> I hesitate to mention the hammer method
[12:10:11] <archivist> not the heat on a spot technique either
[12:13:18] <archivist> old fashioned tools http://chestofbooks.com/home-improvement/woodworking/Lathe-Operation/Turning-Rests-Supporting-Rests-Shaft-Straighteners-Part-4.html
[12:14:39] <MrSunshine> archivist: if anything there will be a bar to press with =)
[12:15:27] <archivist> thing is to get the bending gear in the right place else you make it worse
[12:16:17] <archivist> another http://www.greenerd.com/applications/showroom/100-ton-capacity-shaft-straightening-press.aspx
[12:16:55] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWXWpkp409w thats almost how my screw looks :/
[12:17:25] <MrSunshine> made some awefull noise when i had it screwed it place, so let the nut be "floating" and saw it jumped up and down like hell :/
[12:20:54] <archivist> my old lathe had a bent screw, I "leaned" on it and it is reasonable now
[12:22:00] <MrSunshine> hehe =)
[12:22:32] <MrSunshine> dont know how much bent is to much in the machine .. as ive got "open" linear berings it could cause a problem =)
[12:22:42] <MrSunshine> (V groove linear berings)
[12:26:24] <MrSunshine> oh well, something new to learn on a $140 toy .. :P
[12:29:33] <Connor> MrSunshine: What machine you using the ballscrew for?
[12:29:46] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Jeo53KzZU that was a quite nice home shop rig for it =)
[12:29:50] <MrSunshine> Connor: my machine :P
[12:29:57] <MrSunshine> mechmate "clone" with my own twists
[12:30:25] <Connor> I think my Z is a little bent..
[12:31:18] <Connor> Where did you get the screw from? LMB2008 guy ?
[12:31:44] <archivist> those roller supports are bending the shaft in the wrong place
[12:31:53] <MrSunshine> dont know where he got it from but bought from a company in sweden that imports
[12:33:25] <MrSunshine> gonna check the other screw also and if that also is bent i want a huge discount on the screws =)
[12:42:39] <Connor> MrSunshine: I would want replacements.
[12:43:03] <maxcnc> Hi ;-)
[12:43:11] <maxcnc> done looks cool
[12:43:19] <maxcnc> Frank__:
[12:43:26] <maxcnc> http://foengarage.de/fe_m2.png
[12:43:33] <maxcnc> malcom2073:
[12:43:43] <malcom2073> Nice
[12:44:02] <maxcnc> what do you think i shoudt charge the major
[12:44:02] <Frank__> cool maxcnc
[12:44:09] <Frank__> i should've done a cnc plasma
[12:44:13] <Frank__> way easyer to build
[12:44:15] <Frank__> easier
[12:44:18] <Frank__> i fucked up
[12:44:18] <Frank__> haha
[12:44:25] <maxcnc> its a 65k comunitie and he does make a lot of orders
[12:44:27] <malcom2073> Hard to cut wood with a plasma :P
[12:45:09] <maxcnc> malcom2073: you can add a Hyanyang its the same clamp
[12:45:21] <malcom2073> I have no idea what that is
[12:45:29] <maxcnc> a spindel VFD
[12:45:38] <malcom2073> Ok
[12:46:07] <Frank__> hypertherm?
[12:46:11] <maxcnc> yes 45
[12:46:17] <Frank__> which thc
[12:46:17] <malcom2073> Typically plasma tables aren't strong enough for serious cutting though, they don't need to be
[12:46:29] <Frank__> thats quite thin steel
[12:46:34] <Frank__> how does ur thc perform
[12:46:53] <Frank__> im thinking 4*6 plasma is my next build
[12:46:57] <maxcnc> 2mm sheet
[12:47:01] <Frank__> thats if this one doesnt kill me
[12:47:09] <maxcnc> THC is realy good but i hacked the thcud
[12:47:33] <maxcnc> Frank__: stay low prce make profit
[12:48:05] <maxcnc> i use in circuit gcode mfunction to get better performence
[12:48:13] <maxcnc> and make it not cut the watertable
[12:48:19] <maxcnc> M160 M161
[12:48:36] <maxcnc> sheetcam does this job quit good
[12:50:22] * JT-Shop got to squeeze a few miles out of the road bike... a bit windy but nice temps
[12:51:02] <maxcnc> here its ice on the road im guessing to sleep at the shop
[12:51:17] <maxcnc> 2cm of snow last houre
[12:51:43] <JT-Shop> yuck
[12:52:31] <maxcnc> on te stuff i make 2mm dont matter
[12:52:53] <maxcnc> quick and dirty
[12:53:47] <maxcnc> Google-Print button -Gimp-Black and withe cut out -inkscape-DXF sheetcam gcode cut out bend and welt
[12:53:59] <maxcnc> 1hour if not that hard design
[12:54:39] <maxcnc> sold for 200.- standard
[12:54:57] <maxcnc> 1day production
[12:55:06] <maxcnc> 185 1week wait
[12:55:40] <Roguish> JT-Shop: you got to go for a ride? lucky guy. I'm dying with a chest cold. ugh.
[12:56:21] <maxcnc> Roguish: you may have deservt it
[12:56:30] <maxcnc> Bad Boy
[12:56:31] <JT-Shop> went for a short ride, still trying to wear the nib off the tire lol
[12:56:45] <Roguish> gee, thanks. maxcnc.
[12:56:48] <JT-Shop> I can see there will be a break in period for the road bike
[12:57:00] <JT-Shop> not for the bike...
[12:57:04] <maxcnc> Roguish: is it a virus
[12:57:06] <Roguish> just about coughed out a lung or 2 last night. no sleep either
[12:57:31] <maxcnc> or the bitter cold in the upper US
[12:57:38] <Roguish> and wreaks havoc with my athsma
[12:58:09] <maxcnc> ive sen -15degC in chicago on CNN today
[12:58:24] <Roguish> SF bay area. off and on rain for several weeks, not cold, 40-50's F
[12:59:01] <maxcnc> bay area is always windy and realy thick fog
[12:59:26] <Roguish> no, that's only SF. and usually only summer
[12:59:32] <maxcnc> been eating fish at fishermen's w...
[12:59:56] <maxcnc> 10years ago or more
[13:00:53] <Roguish> is there any documentation on the joint_axes branch? some simple description or something
[13:02:36] <maxcnc> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?JointAxesBranch
[13:03:16] <JT-Shop> Roguish: you might look at the commits
[13:03:22] <Roguish> maxcnc. that's really old. and not too descriptive.
[13:03:43] <maxcnc> i only googled
[13:03:44] <Roguish> JT. been looking a little. commits are rather terse.
[13:04:23] <JT-Shop> you might ask Dewey on the mailing list
[13:06:33] <maxcnc> JT-Shop: can i ask you a question simple on joint vs axes
[13:07:30] <maxcnc> ive been asked from a woodframe maker to build a Robot like mashine that is mounted on the roof and works from pointed to xyz
[13:07:32] <JT-Shop> you don't need permission to ask a question here, we just ask
[13:07:49] <maxcnc> woudt that be a joint
[13:08:02] <ssi> joints are things that move
[13:08:07] <ssi> axes are logical
[13:08:27] <ssi> axes are the cartesian/rotary axes XYZABCUVW
[13:08:35] <ssi> joints don't necessarily correspond to axes
[13:08:46] <maxcnc> ok i got it
[13:10:23] <maxcnc> i guessed aroud with that but then i find a cool looking way to lower a cnc from the roof over the part
[13:10:51] <maxcnc> as the mesurments cand exite the room
[13:11:04] <Jymmm> maxcnc: that's kind how that engrave headstones.
[13:11:09] <Jymmm> s/that/they/
[13:11:49] <maxcnc> in the university they got a robocam on a big foamcattuer
[13:12:00] <maxcnc> cutter
[13:12:34] <maxcnc> thats why my fellow boas lothar started this shop
[13:13:07] <maxcnc> and now hi is sitting in a cave and drinking self brewed beer
[13:14:59] <maxcnc> ok im done for today closing down the shop and try to get home
[13:15:30] <maxcnc> Stay lacy and dont brek to many bits ;-9
[13:48:36] <the_wench> aventtini6: archivist said <bobo_> error code list cnc 432 ModDate 01,09,87 ( Interface errors "I35 input spindleand feed stop 0 - signal "
[14:12:01] <Nick001-shop> I just did a simple backup of my system. How do I get the backup file to the USB stick. The folder has an X on it and say I don't have right permissions to copy,move or see the file. Same thing with properties
[14:30:09] <anomynous> Nick001-shop: im not sure what your problem is or what you are talking about, but not having permissions makes me think you want to do as a regular user something you need to be a root (super user or administrator) for. For how file permissions work see http://www.perlfect.com/articles/chmod.shtml or something. To start a file broser as root open up a terminal and write "sudo browser_name" :D I dont kn
[14:30:15] <anomynous> ow what the browser name is. Try first letters and tab. SOmeone else can help more. If this was of any help at all ;D
[14:32:39] <Nick001-shop> I know sudo in terminal - How do I get control fo that folder. I'm trying to clone the older drive to a ssd and make it bootale.
[14:32:58] <Nick001-shop> bootable
[14:34:29] <CaptHindsight> since this is new to you be careful and be sure to have a backup of the files in case you make a mistake
[14:35:01] <CaptHindsight> it's easy to loose what you currently have
[14:39:05] <anomynous> Nick001-shop: i dont know really what im saying now, but maybe it helps you know what you might be looking for. To make a disk bios-bootable you need a primary parition flagged as bootable, and put first stage bootloader onto MBR of that disk (very fist sector). This loads second stage loader on bootable primary partition (can be flagged in fdisk or other paritioning tool). So you need to make grub ins
[14:39:11] <anomynous> tall that first stage loader and know where the second stage loader is, i think? :) And which kernel to boot, which is what second stage loader loads.
[14:39:15] <anomynous> dunno about efi
[14:39:24] <Nick001-shop> Should I do a DD to the ssd ? I have a backup in the media folder but I can't move it to a USB stick
[14:40:28] <anomynous> same size disks?
[14:42:27] <anomynous> you could just partition, format, backup and chroot to make bootable?
[14:44:18] <Nick001-shop> Current drive is 80 gig - SSD is 120 Gig
[14:44:48] <anomynous> why not ;) never done it
[14:46:39] <Nick001-shop> using device manager - it's partitioned, formatted - Will simple backup put all the files to this new volume and how do I chroot it?
[14:49:10] <anomynous> i cant give you simple instructions. chroot is a command line command to make the shell think some directory you have is a root directory -- Implied is you mount ssd and copy entire system there and chroot there to pretend thats where the system runs and make it bootable by installing grub to the mbr.
[14:49:25] <anomynous> but someone else can probably help better
[14:49:39] <anomynous> dd is probably easy way
[14:50:38] <anomynous> (im not actually a linuxcnc user... just a machinist)
[14:50:57] <pink_vampire> I'm also not linuxcnc user..
[14:50:58] <Connor> clonezillia
[14:51:07] <anomynous> though i can use linux... and i was giving generic instructions. I dont even know how device manager looks like
[14:51:09] <Connor> if going from smaller to larger.
[14:52:39] <Nick001-shop> device utility hasedit partition with a bootable check box - do I check itbefore backing up - there will be 2 bootable drives - would that be a problem?
[14:52:42] <Connor> I went from a 2TB HD to a 1TB SSD.. Had to use gparted to shrink my partition on the HD, then dd to the SSD, mount and chroot the SSD and re-run grub setup stuff.. and
[14:52:58] <Connor> resize the partition on the SSD after doing dd
[14:53:05] <pink_vampire> anomynous: for now I'm working with mach3, but as long as you are in to cnc stuff you are welcome :)
[14:53:14] <anomynous> pink_vampire: =)
[14:53:22] <Nick001-shop> I'm going to bigger drive
[14:53:30] <pink_vampire> what kind a machine do you have?
[14:53:41] <Connor> download a burn a ISO of clonezillia and give it a try.
[14:53:47] <anomynous> Nick001-shop: if you dd you will have 80gig partition (assuming its a one lump
[14:53:58] <pink_vampire> 5 and 6 TB are cheap..
[14:54:10] <Nick001-shop> ouch
[14:54:25] <Nick001-shop> what will backup do?
[14:54:29] <pink_vampire> 200-300$
[14:54:56] <pink_vampire> get 2 and work in raid 1
[14:55:56] <pink_vampire> someone here want to use teamspeak?
[14:57:00] <anomynous> Nick001-shop: gparted can resize partitions after?
[14:58:27] <anomynous> try dd and then swap it in place of your current hd and resize with gparted and try if its still bootable.
[14:58:30] <anomynous> :D
[14:59:05] <pink_vampire> teamspeak it's like an irc but you are using voice instead of typing
[15:01:28] <Connor> anomynous: It won't boot.. He'll have to boot from a rescue, chroot and re-install grub.
[15:01:38] <Connor> clonzillia will do that for him.
[15:01:50] <Connor> and resize in one shot.
[15:02:30] <Connor> I had to do it all manually because I went from larger to smaller HD
[15:02:50] <anomynous> ok
[15:03:43] <Connor> Took a good 3-4 hours.. had to resize (shrink) the 2TB partion to under 1TB.. then dd, then resize to fill the 1TB.. and reinstall grub... ugg..
[15:04:11] <Connor> but, my desktop now does around 430MB/sec
[15:04:20] <pink_vampire> as long as your partition is empty you can resize it very easy and clone it.
[15:04:24] <Connor> Went to a Samsung 850-EVO
[15:07:06] <Connor> My Freaking 70" TV got shipped to the wrong damn address! :(
[15:07:19] <pink_vampire> I like mechanical HDD
[15:07:37] <pink_vampire> Connor: HOW?!
[15:07:49] <Connor> I don't freaking know. It's a replacement RMA.
[15:07:57] <Connor> Vizio got the damn address wrong.
[15:08:09] <Connor> It's 2 1/2 hours away in the wrong freaking City.
[15:08:15] <Connor> at least it's in the correct state..
[15:08:17] <pink_vampire> it's close to you?
[15:08:24] <pink_vampire> hehe...
[15:08:38] <pink_vampire> 70" cnc controller..
[15:08:40] <pink_vampire> nice.
[15:08:50] <pink_vampire> 4k linuxcnc
[15:08:53] <Connor> yea, it's my Christmas present to myself.
[15:09:13] <pink_vampire> it's the best..
[15:09:14] <Connor> half the panel started going strange.... Like Rainbow snow.
[15:09:26] <pink_vampire> you allways know what make you happy..
[15:10:02] <pink_vampire> I like the curved tv
[15:10:09] <Connor> what's strange is.. if the TV is left on for a while, it goes away.. Probably a bad cap, or old solder joint... TV heats up.. and it "self heals"
[15:10:29] <Connor> So, I've left it on for the past 2 weeks while waiting for the replacement.
[15:10:59] <pink_vampire> but now I'm using very olddddd and flickering screen.
[15:13:12] <pink_vampire> probably there is a leak of air because minor crack.. and with time it's fix itself
[15:13:35] <Connor> It's not the screen.
[15:13:44] <Connor> it's controller board.
[15:14:36] <pink_vampire> as long as it work for you..
[15:14:59] <Connor> Is for now. I just want the replacement here so I can forget about it..
[15:16:56] <pink_vampire> where did you get it?
[15:17:06] <Connor> Direct from Vizio
[15:17:34] <pink_vampire> you order it online?
[15:17:45] <Connor> yea.
[15:18:04] <Connor> No Sales Tax, on Black Friday - Cyber Monday week.
[15:18:19] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about 19-22" screen
[15:18:28] <pink_vampire> FHD
[15:19:13] <pink_vampire> it's nice
[15:36:53] <Magnifikus> any idea how to get spi out of a normal pc for linuxcnc? :D
[15:37:02] <Magnifikus> like 20MBPS
[15:37:53] <CaptHindsight> you want a PCIe to SPI adapter?
[15:38:33] <CaptHindsight> 20M bits/sec, no going to get bytes/sec
[15:38:40] <Magnifikus> bits not bytes
[15:38:48] <Magnifikus> 20mhz
[15:39:07] <Magnifikus> so i got the spartan3 running fine as stepper controller
[15:39:13] <Magnifikus> but the pi2 is still abit "slow"
[15:39:28] <Magnifikus> >100k lines of g code takes some minutes to load
[15:39:51] <CaptHindsight> look for USB SPI adapters
[15:40:01] <Magnifikus> usb spi for realtime stuff?
[15:40:07] <Magnifikus> hmm
[15:41:02] <Magnifikus> guess dead end :D
[15:43:19] <Magnifikus> hmm could just try a msp430 with usb2.0
[15:43:32] <ssi> if you have a spartan3 in the mix, do spi there
[15:44:47] <Magnifikus> atm im doing rpi2 with linuxcnc and custom haldrv < SPI > spartan3 stepgenerator < step/dir + SPI config > TMC5130A drivers
[15:44:54] <Magnifikus> thats running super smooth for a month now
[15:45:46] <ssi> and you're trying to replace the rpi2 with a pc?
[15:46:04] <CaptHindsight> if you want realtime then mesa PCI fpga to SPI
[15:46:18] <Magnifikus> then i can just replace the fpga with a mesa card :D
[15:46:23] <ssi> yes exactly
[15:46:39] <Magnifikus> and in not eager enough to put pci on the spartan
[15:46:39] <ssi> lots of wheel reinvention here :)
[15:46:43] <Magnifikus> yeah
[15:47:11] <Magnifikus> hey i had this cheap china drivers stated 5A
[15:47:18] <Magnifikus> that go boom after 3 days
[15:47:18] <ssi> you can buy a spartan6 on a pci/pcie card with a rich set of firmware for realtime motion control for like $70
[15:47:27] <Magnifikus> so i said, build my own drivers
[15:48:30] <Magnifikus> only problem left is, to interface the fpga without a pi
[15:49:03] <CaptHindsight> interface what to the fpga ?
[15:49:11] <Magnifikus> linuxcnc
[15:49:18] <Magnifikus> from a normal pc
[15:49:36] <CaptHindsight> so you want to reinvent a Mesa fpga card
[15:49:40] <CaptHindsight> wonderful
[15:50:22] <CaptHindsight> <--- goes back to sorting sock drawer
[15:50:27] <Magnifikus> :P
[15:50:40] <ssi> yep pretty much
[15:50:46] <ssi> he sortof already has
[15:51:30] <CaptHindsight> getting hm2+eth on ARM might actually be useful
[15:51:53] <ssi> given an arm that's fast enough to run axis well
[15:52:00] <ssi> has anyone tried the edison?
[15:52:02] <CaptHindsight> imx6
[15:52:05] <Magnifikus> i got axis running
[15:52:07] <ssi> (not arm but curious)
[15:53:12] <Magnifikus> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/zsgiuxos8imprs7/AABqokdlnKx_bhRJY8oa_JYea thats axis on pi2 :P
[15:53:57] <ssi> 16:14 < Magnifikus> but the pi2 is still abit "slow"
[15:53:58] <ssi> 16:14 < Magnifikus> >100k lines of g code takes some minutes to load
[15:54:26] <Magnifikus> yeah i say its the preview
[15:54:33] <Magnifikus> but milling wise its running cool
[15:54:56] <ssi> right... preview is opengl, and that seems to be the weak link on most of the small embedded arm systems
[15:54:59] <PetefromTn_> that looks like a pretty nice setup
[15:55:43] <Magnifikus> guess kill the preview and continue
[15:56:24] <Magnifikus> but no wait i think its the transformation for offsets, cause if you set g54 its takes the same time
[16:00:23] <ssi> hm no ethernet breakouts for edison... does it not have ethernet at all?
[16:00:56] <ssi> looks like no, that sucks
[16:02:27] <CaptHindsight> imx6 boards tend to have integrated ethernet
[16:03:00] <CaptHindsight> the down side is that they also tend to be closer to $100 than to $30
[16:03:24] <ssi> has anyone had linuxcnc running well on one yet?
[16:06:04] <Nick001-shop> downloaded clonezilla for i386 and it just a bunch of dirs - no iso image or boot files in the open. Now what?
[16:12:40] <dr0w> http://clonezilla.org/downloads/download.php?branch=stable
[16:15:42] <CaptHindsight> I wonder how long it's been sitting outside? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MATSUURA-14C-760V-Tsudakoma-12-1-2-Hor-Vert-Rotary-Table-RNCV-300R-/301798798319
[16:16:07] <ssi> looks pretty bad
[16:16:31] <FloppyDisk> You think they'd give you money to take it...
[16:18:37] <PetefromTn_> its sad but there are lots of machines sitting outside neglected like that which would probably make for a great retrofit. Does not make any sense to me why people would fork truck a decent machine outside and let it sit for years rotting away...
[16:18:49] <CaptHindsight> yup
[16:19:21] <CaptHindsight> $25 in plastic could save it
[16:19:42] <PetefromTn_> it would at least help it last a bit longer right
[16:20:30] <cradek> hahaha $2500
[16:22:39] <CaptHindsight> this might be worth it http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mazak-SlantTurn-35-ATC-MC-Automatic-Tool-Changer-CNC-Lathe-1988-/321956179029
[16:23:31] <CaptHindsight> 25HP spindle
[16:24:28] <ssi> ugh I would not want to move that bastard
[16:24:29] <CaptHindsight> unless "but needs turret work" means crashed and bent beyond recognition
[16:26:18] <CaptHindsight> APPROX. WEIGHT, 13,000 LBS
[16:26:18] <FloppyDisk> This is a little better and you can get it less than $2,500, I bet.
[16:26:36] <CaptHindsight> it's a used dealer
[16:26:52] <CaptHindsight> depends on how bad the turret is
[16:29:20] <CaptHindsight> $1600 or best no control http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hardinge-CHNC-Super-Precision-Lathe-for-Control-Retrofit-Low-Use-Ex-Military/262219432179
[16:30:55] <ssi> now you're talking my language :)
[16:31:36] <ssi> not the nicest example out there but looks servicable
[16:31:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okuma-LSF15-2SP-CNC-Lathe-/181853874464 $4500 or best but missing unknown parts
[16:32:01] <FloppyDisk> Too bad, you could part out the controls and pay for the whole thing!
[16:32:20] <ssi> prolly not :P
[16:32:22] <ssi> those controls are crap
[16:33:06] <Deejay> gn8
[16:33:53] <FloppyDisk> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231410525013 this lathe has been forsale for over a year...
[16:34:27] <ssi> too much money
[16:34:32] <FloppyDisk> agreed!!
[16:34:38] <_methods> can't imagine why
[16:34:41] <FloppyDisk> That's why it's been for sale for so long...
[16:34:44] <_methods> what a bargain!!!
[16:34:56] <CaptHindsight> heh
[16:39:33] <Nick001-shop> That hardinge might be ok but the Xaxis motor is gone
[16:40:00] <ssi> good catch
[16:41:24] <Nick001-shop> I think about 1200.00 from Hardinge
[16:44:07] <CaptHindsight> 2-3 months ago I wasn't looking and there were several good deals
[16:44:14] <CaptHindsight> now it's mostly crap
[16:53:25] <Nick001-shop> or maybe just the cover is gone - should see a pulley with a belt going upward but it's way out of focus. Maybe ask for another photo -)
[16:55:01] <CaptHindsight> $2k or best http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warner-Swasey-2-SC-NC-Lathe-/231699830886
[16:55:24] <CaptHindsight> I come across their giant turret lathes all the time
[16:59:58] <Sync> strange size
[17:00:21] <Sync> huge footprint but tiny workroom
[17:00:45] <Sync> looks like yaskawa provided motion
[17:00:51] <ssi> crazy turret
[17:00:52] <CaptHindsight> what year do you think it's from?
[17:01:18] <ssi> looks like lots of hydraulics
[17:16:31] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/splitter/splitter-30.jpg
[17:16:42] <JT-Shop> another project done except for paint
[17:17:06] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/splitter/splitter-31.jpg
[17:17:22] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/splitter/splitter-32.jpg
[17:21:31] <CaptHindsight> door to door log splitting services
[17:24:28] <FloppyDisk> Nice - always a good feeling to finish a project
[17:32:08] <Jymmm> I can't even buy the hears alone (not the jumpers) for that price... http://www.ebay.com/itm/MB102-Breadboard-Power-Supply-Module-3-3V-5V-For-Solderless-Bread-Board-S3-/201393539940
[17:32:13] <Jymmm> headers*
[17:47:31] <andypugh> Do you want to see my balls? https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6239787448375076098
[17:49:25] <andypugh> (Wondering if anyone will actually be disappointed when they click the link)
[17:49:36] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:49:58] <cradek> I didn't expect six
[17:50:03] * PetefromTn_ wonders if anyone is really dumb enough to actually click the link ;)
[17:50:19] <andypugh> I managed to un-stick the variator by manually poking the motor fan. But then found that there was almost no oil in it.
[17:50:20] <cradek> is that your magic speed changer thing?
[17:50:26] <andypugh> Yes
[17:50:40] <cradek> is it ok?
[17:50:52] <andypugh> It was running almost totally dry, the stickiness was laquerified oil.
[17:50:59] <cradek> jeez
[17:51:13] <cradek> what a neat design
[17:51:28] <cradek> I assume those run on a male and female cone?
[17:51:31] <andypugh> This is the balls as they came out, before I polished them
[17:51:39] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6239787385854866018
[17:52:05] <cradek> heh I've seen that color before...
[17:52:07] <andypugh> Do you get forward/backward arrows on the links?
[17:52:21] <cradek> duh
[17:53:05] <andypugh> In the first link I posted you can see the input and output cones. The balls are held agains them both by the outer ring.
[17:53:38] <andypugh> And taper-ramp roller bearings squeeze the cones in at higher torques. All rather neat.
[17:54:12] <cradek> balls and cones still feel smooth?
[17:54:17] <cradek> that's extremely neat
[17:54:18] <cradek> what a lathe
[17:54:20] <andypugh> I haven’t seen needle rollers with split cages before.
[17:55:06] <andypugh> “The entire drive train is removable as a unit for easy maintanance” Yes, a 200kg unit with 1/2” of headroom…
[17:56:41] <andypugh> I reckon there is more metal in the Varfiator than the entire Chinese lathe. (less milling attachment). In fact I know there is, I have carried them both.
[17:57:33] <archivist> that may be the reason my Schaublin is so heavy (has variable speed too)
[17:58:10] <andypugh> But, anyway, I have decided to retire the variator regardless. It’s just too much bother to link to LinuxCNC, despite being technically superior to a VFD
[17:58:56] <andypugh> Though I can’t help feeling I ought to spend the £11 + £25 carriage for a litre of special Variator Oil.
[18:00:39] <cradek> I bet the low and high fixed gears with a vfd will do you fine
[18:01:22] <cradek> you'll have a bit of a weak spot at the low end of the high gear
[18:04:30] <andypugh> I can probably extend the motor speed ranges to cover it.
[18:07:12] <Jymmm> HEY ANDY!!!
[18:09:03] <andypugh> High speed is straight-through. Low speed is 6:1 gearing. So, a 1440 motor at 15 - 100Hz will gve me 430 to 3000 rpm in high and 70 to 600 in low, so I can squeeze an overlap.
[18:09:31] <andypugh> (Dreads Jymmm’s next comment)
[18:09:44] <Jymmm> =(
[18:10:14] <Jymmm> andypugh: I was just saying hi
[18:10:35] <andypugh> Oh? Sorry.
[18:10:45] <Jymmm> no worries
[18:24:25] <Sync> andypugh: just use a very oversized spindle motor
[18:24:36] <Sync> so you have dem torque and dat speed
[18:25:18] <andypugh> Sync: It’s hard to super-size the spindle on domestic power.
[18:25:48] <Sync> you don't need to run more power
[18:26:02] <Sync> but you need an oversized motor so you can push the current through it
[18:27:00] <andypugh> But an oversized motor will want more than the 10A that the VFD is likely to want to do. (And finding a > 2.2kW 230V VFD at a price I am prepared to pay is unlikley)
[18:28:15] <Sync> well, possibly
[18:28:27] <Sync> but that is the cleanest solution
[18:31:55] <andypugh> Agreed.
[18:34:24] <andypugh> It seems I can fit a 3kw 100 frame or 5.5kW 112 frame to the mounting flange, so I will keep that in mind if 3hp turns out not to be enough. But my Chinese lathe is pretty much OK with 1.5hp and no reduction gearbox.
[18:36:23] <andypugh> Sorry, I mean 4kw / 5.5 hp. There is a 5.5kW / 7.5Hp motor with the right flange, but that’s a 2-pole
[18:39:25] <Sync> yeah, I mean why not
[18:39:34] <Sync> it is not like it is going to hurt anything
[18:41:29] <andypugh> In the latter case, my bank balance.
[18:47:32] <andypugh> The 4kW motor is not so bad (£240) but the VFD to suit is £340. (Though rather less for an eBay Huangyang)
[18:49:48] <zeeshan> andypugh: see link i pm'ed
[18:50:33] <Tom_itx> i don't see it
[18:50:50] <zeeshan> =]
[18:51:42] <andypugh> I need 240V input
[18:52:02] <Tom_itx> andypugh, you don't run DC as mains there do you?
[18:52:09] <Tom_itx> someone here tried to sell that to me today
[18:52:25] <andypugh> There are these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UPDATED-VARIABLE-FREQUENCY-DRIVE-INVERTER-VFD-220V-4KW-5HP-/252003464503?hash=item3aac93b537:g:2T4AAOSwyQtVuzQb which are certainly affordable.
[18:52:28] <Tom_itx> i didn't buy it
[18:56:21] <Sync> andypugh: you want something with proper vector drive for that kind of deal
[18:58:06] <Sync> also a proper spindle motor would be nice, because you can overcurrent them 300% without harm
[18:58:15] <andypugh> I want the lathe capable of making parts before I spend serious money on possibly unnecessary motor upgrades.
[18:58:51] <Sync> I wouldn't call that serious money, but okay
[18:59:25] <andypugh> This one might suit: https://www.inverterdrive.com/group/AC-Inverter-Drives-230V/Yaskawa-CIMR-VCBA0018BAA/
[19:00:37] <Sync> yeah the v1000 are not bad
[19:04:34] <andypugh> Yikes, when did it get so late?
[19:09:29] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: you need to change time zones :)
[19:12:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3KW-AIR-COOLED-SPINDLE-MOTOR-ENGRAVING-MILLING-GRIND-SQUARE-MOTOR-FOUR-BEARING/261934699894 anyone have this version?
[19:13:45] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what the MTBF is for the bearings?
[19:15:49] <andypugh> I think it is safe to assume that they are not _these_ bearings: http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/Taper-Roller-Bearings-Super-Precision-Taper-Roller-Bearings-Flanged-Cup-Type-Taper-Roller-Bearings/c1_5458_5461/p20036424/Gamet-110050/110100C-Super-Precision-Tapered-Roller-Bearing-Flanged-Cup-Type-50x100x29.5mm/product_info.html
[19:16:20] <CaptHindsight> yeah, likely not
[19:16:33] <Sync> depeding on what you do, about a year
[19:17:08] <andypugh> Sync: That’s the shelf life :-)
[19:17:11] <CaptHindsight> just spinning a disk, no cutting loads
[19:17:39] <Sync> nah
[19:17:47] <Sync> a friend of mine used two of those
[19:17:53] <Sync> they are okay for what they cost
[19:19:16] <CaptHindsight> need to control the speed and ramp within 0.1% to 10K rpm
[19:19:54] <CaptHindsight> are they torque free at low speeds, say <2K rpm?
[19:20:41] <Sync> they spin pretty easy, but that accuracy only depends on your drive
[19:20:51] <thesaint> evening guys, i am trying to modify an od turning operation, i want to retract the tool from the work so it only cuts in the forward direction not on the return to z0 - how would i do that? cheers..
[19:20:56] <CaptHindsight> hopefully
[19:22:30] <thesaint> this: http://pastebin.com/Uy8WJZqK
[19:22:45] <thesaint> looks simple but i cant get the tool to retract any on the return...
[19:22:50] <andypugh> thesaint: Well you would retract to a larger diameter before returning to the starting Z.
[19:23:22] <thesaint> thats what i am trying to do.. unsuccessfully...
[19:24:00] <andypugh> You must be doing it wrong then.
[19:24:06] <thesaint> lol..
[19:24:09] <thesaint> sure.
[19:24:18] <andypugh> But without any further clues, that is all I can say
[19:24:25] <thesaint> that much is certain.
[19:24:38] <thesaint> http://pastebin.com/Uy8WJZqK
[19:24:44] <thesaint> line 6...
[19:25:03] <andypugh> You could get the ZIP file here and use the G-code routines. https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros
[19:42:52] <thesaint> *tip - if you are editing the wrong file its difficult to see changes..
[19:47:21] <Roguish> how about this shop???? http://www.csmonitor.com/Photo-Galleries/Photos-of-the-Day/2016/Photos-of-the-day-01-14#957875
[19:47:57] <malcom2073> Roguish: Have you seen the pictures of those guys sleeping on cardboard on the floor of the shop?
[19:48:28] <Roguish> yeah, makes ya think your own shop aint so bad...
[19:48:44] <malcom2073> It's sad and scary, shops that messy can't be safe
[19:49:09] <Roguish> workers waiting in line to work...
[19:58:00] <thesaint> archivist, what sort of schaublin have you got?
[19:59:28] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Safe? More like home... http://imgur.com/KtBRJ47
[20:00:48] <Roguish> it's really sad, but that's where 'we' get stuff. if it isn't India, or Bangladash, or China, it's Vietnam, or any of lots of others.
[20:01:53] <malcom2073> Jymmm: That one yeah
[21:20:32] <CaptHindsight> it's all relative, if that is all you know from birth then it becomes the norm, that is how you control new generations
[23:09:50] <pink_vampire> http://imgur.com/gallery/dZxeG