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[01:02:42] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_bVDAqCvng medium sized light duty P145
[01:19:07] <t12> who wants to buy a tesla
[01:19:11] <t12> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PLESSEY-COMPONENTS-PERFORMANCE-DIV-1-TESLA-SOURCE-/291657140737?hash=item43e81eca01:g:a6EAAOSwLN5WksAz
[02:06:32] <trentster> hey all some advice please, busy redesigning my machine https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/1G2y2y3f3d1B0Y3s422w/cnc%20machine%20trentmill%20v15.png
[02:08:10] <trentster> got Hiwin Linear profile rails coming and new Z axis designed, I want some feedback regarding the bed, I was thining of using the extrusion beams that make up the machine as part of the T slot bed. So raise them so the top t slots can be accessed - is this a bad idea?
[02:08:53] <archivist> bed design depends on work you are doing
[02:12:05] <trentster> archivist: the machine is solid enough for my uses its great for hard woods and aluminium cutting, its max IPM speed is limited because of the current rails and work holding is a PITA , I would like to improve on that.
[02:12:20] <trentster> I would also like to offer a design to other folks for a semi cost effective build
[02:13:23] <archivist> tslots are good for bolting random stuff onto, others may want a vacuum bed
[02:13:53] <archivist> one of those "depends"
[02:13:54] <ReadError> trentster confused as to what the question is
[02:15:05] <trentster> archivist: I am looking for a solution that does not involve a dedicated t-slot bed purchase one that incorporates structural extrusions and leverages their top slots
[02:16:23] <archivist> trouble with all extrusion designs is missing the step of making the cutting plane flat
[02:17:13] <trentster> ReadError: https://monosnap.com/file/DMVTT3HRKQXxsgJYQHoGt1hDMSjGeW this is what I mean
[02:17:16] <ReadError> hard to run a bed leveling path?
[02:17:55] <archivist> ReadError, but the rails are mounted on the bent extrusions :)
[02:18:01] <trentster> the possible problem with that is it may deflect the bed frame when tightening down
[02:18:10] <ReadError> yea tslot doesnt come straight always
[02:18:18] <ReadError> or the same length ;(
[02:18:30] <CaptHindsight> people assume that t-slot is flat or not curved
[02:18:33] <ReadError> last build I had to spend a bit of time squaring up the ends and 'matching'
[02:19:04] <archivist> there is a fundamental problem with extrusions, the speed they are extruded and cooled makes them non flat/straight
[02:19:41] <ReadError> trentster if you go w/ a MDF or PVC bed, you can just run a leveling toolpath
[02:19:44] <archivist> talk to an extrusion salesman he should tell you this
[02:19:47] <CaptHindsight> Pacific Bearing machines their t-slot on 3 sides simultaneously when used for positioners
[02:19:47] <trentster> The other issue I am having is its darn hard to attach the wooden table / spoilboard to the t-slot nuts as they are trapped in the extrusion squized between the front and back flat plate
[02:19:49] <ReadError> and cut some slots
[02:20:45] <archivist> ReadError, that path will be as unstraight as the rails the gantry is on
[02:21:04] <trentster> ReadError: I am currently using plywood bed and running a levelling path on it - no good?
[02:21:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pbclinear.com/Download/Document/SIMO-Process-Overview.pdf
[02:21:14] <ReadError> archivist yea but wouldnt it be compensated for by leveling?
[02:21:24] <ReadError> when you actually go to cut something
[02:21:48] <archivist> no the cutter path itself is controlled by its rails
[02:22:05] <archivist> the rail munting needs to be right when made
[02:22:13] <archivist> mounting
[02:22:20] <ReadError> on the bright side, the hiwin rails will be straight
[02:22:23] <CaptHindsight> t-slot is not flat or straight and also twists
[02:22:30] <archivist> ReadError, erm no
[02:22:31] <ReadError> and theres some slack in mounting them
[02:22:40] <trentster> archivist: if extrusion is not flat enough for you whats the solution for you? steel machined flat?
[02:23:07] <CaptHindsight> or at least solid aluminum
[02:23:30] <archivist> they curve due to the hardening process, they expect the rails to be mounted on a substrate that holds them flat
[02:24:12] <archivist> anyway depends on the required accuracy level
[02:25:09] <trentster> ReadError: I should have probably started with hiwin rails for the Y axis instead of the for the X (Gantry) axis as its a longer run an driven with a single ballscrew - right?
[02:25:18] <swarfer> looked at openbuilds.com extrusions?
[02:25:39] <swarfer> they limit the production length to keep them straight
[02:26:16] <archivist> swarfer, it is how they slump between extruder and the conveyor
[02:26:38] <archivist> well before they get to any substantial length
[02:27:19] <trentster> wow I had no idea that elu extrusion was not perfectly flat, hmmm interesting
[02:27:21] <ReadError> swarfer those were pretty deadnuts straight
[02:27:25] <archivist> there should be a straightness spec on any extruders site
[02:27:29] <ReadError> length was a bit variable
[02:27:44] <ReadError> and the ends not square
[02:27:48] <ReadError> but both easy fix
[02:30:58] <Deejay> moin
[02:31:23] <CaptHindsight> the design merry go round
[02:32:29] <CaptHindsight> after the machine is built he can bend and twist it to see what he should have done better
[02:32:34] <archivist> no "one right answer"
[02:33:03] <archivist> get an FEA package to waste less metal
[02:33:15] <CaptHindsight> or he might not even care about how much it flexes
[02:33:44] <trentster> So guys I have a flat sheet of aluminium the same size as the table, its 6mm thick - do you think I should use it as a table first surface and attach mdf spoilboard to it?
[02:34:00] <archivist> I think single ballscrew on a gantry defines dont care about twist
[02:34:08] <CaptHindsight> he can put the 16mm x 4mm steel bar in all the open slot to stiffen it up
[02:34:37] <ReadError> dont some people put torsion rods in
[02:34:46] <ReadError> to adjust warp, thought I saw that somewhere
[02:34:55] <CaptHindsight> I make drum skins out of 6mm aluminum plate :)
[02:35:21] <trentster> CaptHindsight: so is that a no - dont use it as a table first surface?
[02:35:49] <CaptHindsight> it will bend from a serious stare
[02:36:21] <trentster> surel 6mm plate plus a mdf table is better than a mdf table alone?
[02:36:28] <CaptHindsight> look for a used steel surface/setup plate
[02:36:47] <archivist> cast iron :)
[02:36:54] <trentster> the chance of me finding that in AU is probably close to zero
[02:36:57] <CaptHindsight> yeah ^
[02:37:39] <archivist> I should go and oil mine for winter
[02:38:49] <CaptHindsight> cast iron plate + pay a shop to surface grind it for you
[02:38:58] <trentster> archivist: your opinion on the alu plate - do I use it or not ( I am aware steel or cast iron would be better) but I have this to use
[02:39:32] <CaptHindsight> it's better than nothing
[02:39:38] <trentster> CaptHindsight: in Au that will probably cost $2k to do
[02:40:04] <archivist> I bet you have foundries that will be cheaper
[02:40:17] <CaptHindsight> I've seen used mills in AU for less
[02:41:25] <CaptHindsight> I have a 12" positioner made from 1.5" thick 6061 mounted on t-slot
[02:41:54] <CaptHindsight> I don't count on the t-slot for straightness
[02:42:30] <swarfer> http://openbuildspartstore.com/v-slot/
[02:42:51] <CaptHindsight> the t-slot is mainly there to hold the sheet metal enclosure together
[02:43:17] <trentster> CaptHindsight: my table is almost 1M x 1M
[02:44:03] <trentster> thats metric btw - so dont freak out ;-)
[02:44:33] <archivist> I think me and CaptHindsight tend to think in terms of the rigidity of metal milling machines rather than wood routers
[02:44:52] <trentster> archivist: yeah - I am not building a mill
[02:45:43] <trentster> its a CNC router - the main intention is to come up with a design that does the best compromise between high end and medium end for hobbyists and home fabricators at a price they can jump in.
[02:46:05] <archivist> but if you look at a pro wood machine you will see the rigidity taken care of, google Wadkin
[02:46:30] <trentster> So I guess I am saying pretend I gave each of you $3k and you had to come up with the best possible machine for the buck - what would you come up with.
[02:46:57] <trentster> The intention of these machines is to make it vaiable for schools to get them in to teach fundamentals of building , design etc
[02:48:20] <archivist> schools tend to buy a package
[02:49:47] <archivist> needs to be robust and safe and have the teaching materials
[02:50:21] <trentster> the question still stands - its a hypothetical
[02:50:33] <trentster> don't jump on the School analogy please
[02:50:55] <archivist> I used to work for a company where the schools were the main market :)
[02:51:18] <archivist> trentster, you started the schools thing!
[02:51:32] <trentster> I know but I don't want that to distract you from the main question which is best machine for $3k for a hobbyist to buy
[02:51:44] <trentster> take the school part out of there if its problematic
[02:52:02] <archivist> the best machine for the job
[02:52:43] <archivist> please dont expect the answer you want from an open ended question with no boundary
[02:52:54] <trentster> Ok, the best CNC wood router machine for a hobbyist build with a $3K budget
[02:53:15] <trentster> is that better?
[02:53:31] <archivist> I work with metal, never researched wood machines
[02:53:59] <trentster> ok - I understand.
[02:54:08] <archivist> I would get an old Wadkin if I could
[02:54:31] <trentster> yeah but thats not scalable if 100X people want to build a machine or buy one
[02:55:05] <trentster> it also probably uses 3 phase power and would take up a whole double garage
[02:57:52] <trentster> but thanks for your suggestions - much appreciated anyway :-)
[02:58:54] <archivist> just add xy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wadkin-URB-Overhead-Router-/401053665228
[02:59:05] <archivist> 1/4 garage :)
[03:01:49] <archivist> might need a bigger garage http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wadkin-UX-CNC-Router-/172050519621
[03:02:30] <trentster> ha ha yeah - its a behemoth
[03:02:52] <trentster> I am looking for soemthing the average joe could build or buy
[03:03:11] <trentster> but wow thats cheap
[03:03:35] <archivist> dead control, would be a simple linuxcnc project
[04:04:19] <enleth> trentster: I have the impression that there's more hobby CNC metalworking stuff than hobby CNC woodworking
[04:05:52] <enleth> trentster: hobby woodworkers are more likely to use hand tools and traditional methods of manufacture, but for metalworking even a hobbyist needs a machine tool so the market is bigger
[04:06:14] <enleth> and the barrier to entry for CNC is much lower that way
[04:06:25] <enleth> a small CNC wood router? who needs that?
[04:08:24] <enleth> I mean, a bunch of people do, but there are hardly any mid-sized machines - between pathetic midget routers on kickstarter and actual production stuff the size of this latter Wadkin
[04:10:04] <enleth> trentster: a friend tried to build a mid-sized router using T-slot extruded aluminum, it was expensive (on paper, he used leftovers he got at work so didn't have to pay for them) and still wobbly as fuck
[04:10:52] <enleth> Some people weld them from steel tubing and that apparently works and the result is a working, useful machine
[04:11:07] <enleth> but that's not for an Average Joe
[04:29:05] <archivist> just abve average joe is the bespoke kitchen fitter
[04:29:28] <archivist> he generally uses templates and a hand router
[05:19:53] <XXCoder> heeeey
[06:03:20] <rhavenj__> hi there, i found this link on installing linuxcnc on a flash drive, http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/35643 anyone have experience booting from a usbdrive (any latency issues?)
[06:07:40] <XXCoder> good question
[06:07:49] <XXCoder> might be fine if it is fast enough
[06:07:55] <XXCoder> besides that dunno
[06:14:57] <archivist> install from is ok, fun from no
[06:22:37] <XXCoder> from fum heh
[06:22:47] <XXCoder> typo combo!
[06:24:15] <archivist> just in the middle of cleaning the keyboard
[06:27:21] <archivist> enough crumbs for a three course meal under the key caps
[08:28:23] <_methods> hahah
[08:55:56] <max12345> hello, I have a custom command configured like here
[08:56:07] <max12345> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Adding_Custom_MDI_Buttons
[08:56:21] <max12345> How can I set multi line instructions?
[08:56:27] <max12345> do I just chain them?
[08:56:38] <max12345> is there a newline character or something?
[08:56:49] <ReadError> O codes let you right?
[08:57:02] <max12345> idk
[08:57:13] <max12345> very new to this :)
[08:57:54] <max12345> the machine is in use right now, I'll try when it's free...
[09:05:02] <Frank__> hello
[09:05:09] <Frank__> :D
[09:06:17] <Frank__> there are some news in my build, the structure came back home, after beeing machined. they took 1 and a half month to do something that take them 3 days.. or less
[09:06:18] <Frank__> omg
[09:06:40] <Frank__> they bad news are that i have to do all the drilling T_T
[09:07:19] <Frank__> does someone have any advise to drill the holes with precision for the hiwin linear guides?
[09:09:50] <max12345> can I change the orientation of the preview?
[09:10:04] <max12345> by default that is
[09:11:51] <archivist> Frank__, mark one drill tap, then clamp rail and fit with screw, check alignment, then mark other holes from the rail
[09:12:43] <Frank__> i assumed so, like marking with the rail clamped down, i have a machined reference edge
[09:12:49] <Frank__> that one helps to for one side
[09:12:52] <Frank__> thanks arch
[09:21:34] <ssi> morn
[09:34:31] <Jymmm> I haven't seen fog this thick in years! Oh course I watched Stephen King's "The Myst" for the very first time last night!
[09:42:11] <ssi> ugh next time I'm considering ordering something from sparkfun, please stop me
[09:42:58] <archivist> stop, dont do it
[09:43:10] <ssi> too late :(
[09:43:18] <ssi> maybe I'm spoiled in the world of amazon
[09:43:49] <ssi> but it really irks me when they refuse to ship usps, so I get a default of a six day shipping time
[09:43:56] <ssi> and then they sit on my order for five days before shipping it
[09:44:03] <ssi> two weeks is far too long to wait
[09:45:46] <archivist> I play on ebay mostly, pot luck shipping
[09:46:33] <archivist> although a bit arrived early today, made me read http://www.n4mw.com/hp5526/hp5526a.htm
[09:46:48] <ssi> ooo
[09:47:57] <archivist> I just got a tiny bit, none of that page, but an accessory for straightness that went with it
[09:50:07] <archivist> at the collecting PDFs stage
[09:50:39] <archivist> and can I use a laser pointer diode instead
[09:54:34] <maxcnc> Hi ;-)
[09:57:14] <maxcnc> Frank__: how is it is it building up
[09:57:38] <Frank__> hello!
[09:57:41] <Frank__> how are u
[09:57:46] <Frank__> yes, machine arrived
[09:57:50] <maxcnc> finished for today
[09:58:02] <Frank__> now i have to drill everythign
[09:58:07] <Frank__> a pain in the ass
[09:58:11] <Frank__> +100 holes
[09:58:17] <maxcnc> dont brake so many bits
[09:58:18] <ReadError> why wouldnt they drill?
[09:58:30] <Frank__> idk, for accumulated error i think
[09:58:34] <Frank__> of their machine
[09:59:16] <Frank__> they gave me the machine with rough surfaces, i think they use the method of stripping steel with an insert
[09:59:22] <Frank__> thats low quality right?
[09:59:28] <maxcnc> remodifiing ais always cool and painfull
[09:59:44] <maxcnc> but in the end its like you want it
[09:59:55] <Frank__> i am building from the ground up thou
[10:00:11] <Frank__> wood router
[10:00:11] <maxcnc> the servo stepper mixure
[10:00:14] <trentster> enleth: thanks for your input - it makes a lot of sense
[10:00:29] <Frank__> actually, i finally bought 4 servos
[10:00:30] <Frank__> all 1kw
[10:01:45] <Frank__> do u know how can i check flatness of the machined surface?
[10:02:00] <archivist> a good level
[10:02:13] <archivist> a straight edge
[10:02:14] <Frank__> i have a starret 8 inch
[10:02:54] <Frank__> 98-8 starret
[10:03:19] <archivist> I used something similar for my build
[10:03:51] <Frank__> graduations of 0.005 per foot
[10:03:53] <Frank__> is enough?
[10:04:05] <Frank__> 0.42mm x meter
[10:04:08] <archivist> you got enough 0 there?
[10:04:21] <archivist> 8in should be better
[10:04:22] <Frank__> i really dont know!
[10:04:40] <Frank__> ?
[10:04:47] <Frank__> 8 in of what
[10:05:49] <archivist> I am waiting for starretts site
[10:06:01] <archivist> effin slow
[10:06:20] <Frank__> really? for me it loads fast
[10:06:52] <Frank__> after the 8 in comes the 12 in
[10:06:59] <Frank__> but it was kind of expensive
[10:08:02] <archivist> starrett is over priced for what they are
[10:08:19] <archivist> 5 thou per ft is not that good
[10:08:32] <Frank__> shame
[10:08:37] <maxcnc> Frank__: keep the budget
[10:08:38] <Frank__> :/
[10:08:59] <archivist> you may be able to read it to a better accuracy with care
[10:09:13] <Frank__> actually i dont really know how to use it
[10:09:41] <archivist> I could send you one except for the postage cost
[10:10:12] <Frank__> if it moves 1 line from the center, that means that a foot from the level its deviated about 0.005inch?
[10:10:30] <Frank__> its fine arch, im not from the states anyway
[10:10:32] <archivist> something like that
[10:10:42] <archivist> I know where you are
[10:11:00] <Frank__> wow nice memory haaha
[10:11:59] <Frank__> so if it doesnt move across the machined surface its supposed to be flat?
[10:12:26] <archivist> there are many other level makers, second hand is generally ok as you can easily adjust them
[10:12:54] <archivist> yes the bubble should remain central
[10:13:31] <Frank__> and if it moves its really bad, having into account that the level is not very very precise right?
[10:14:15] <archivist> adjust bed/rails/whatever till it remains central
[10:15:48] <archivist> so first adjust frame, then rail on side of frame
[10:23:02] <Frank__> if theres still some movement on the level can it be "repaired" or fixed with some shiming?
[10:23:30] <archivist> I cannot know without seeing
[10:23:40] <archivist> but usually yes
[10:24:00] <archivist> shimming/filing/scraping
[10:24:10] <Frank__> its not really super duper heavy frame, and the 6*4in main beams may move alittle i can play with that too, i have 6 legs to set
[10:24:25] <archivist> even adjustable feet under the frame
[10:24:30] <Frank__> exactly
[10:25:21] <archivist> and you may(will) find just putting a weight on will move the bubble
[10:25:34] <Frank__> so its kind of useless to check flatness now right? with the frame not properly stand
[10:25:52] <Frank__> i am cleaning with wire know brush to paint it
[10:25:55] <archivist> I hope you are on a concrete floor :)
[10:25:58] <Frank__> then holes, then alignament..
[10:26:03] <Frank__> yes
[10:26:13] <Frank__> idk how thick it is, but its concrete
[10:26:31] <Frank__> i was thinkin on making some concrete cubes to make it a little more tall
[10:26:31] <archivist> get frame level, before you use the level to set the rail level to drill
[10:27:03] <Frank__> the hole frame without the Bolts that make the legs its 25cm
[10:27:09] <Frank__> 11 inch
[10:27:11] <Frank__> aprox
[10:27:29] <Frank__> ok
[10:27:37] <Frank__> so i shouldnt panic yet
[10:27:38] <Frank__> ahahah
[10:27:59] <archivist> panic....dont panic, dont panic
[10:27:59] <Frank__> im going to kill myself if they havent done a good machining job
[10:28:06] <Frank__> hahahah
[10:28:22] <Jymmm> Death by bunga bunga!
[10:28:22] <Frank__> or kill them before that
[10:28:33] <archivist> from Dad's Army
[10:29:20] <Frank__> hahaha
[10:30:54] <Frank__> ok guys, tahnks for the help. i should go to work, i will tell you how the build goes, maybe some pics if u want. cya
[10:45:17] <maxcnc> archivist it works real cool to get the calculated values on screen
[10:46:25] <archivist> maxcnc, I have just done a logging version to measure worm dividing error
[10:47:46] <maxcnc> yeah lots of people do whear things on linuxcnc
[11:21:27] <thesaint> maxcnc, hey max! you good?
[11:21:42] <maxcnc> ;-)
[11:21:47] <thesaint> i had a look at your fire pots - very nice...
[11:22:00] <thesaint> how to you roll the cylinders?
[11:23:49] <maxcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFYMS8-iScw
[11:24:57] <ssi> rundbiegemaschine
[11:24:59] <ssi> round ring machine?
[11:25:55] <maxcnc> ;-) cool trunslation
[11:36:21] <Loetmichel2> Sheet metal roller i would guess
[11:56:36] <andypugh> enleth: One of the LinuxCNC developers is a woodworker
[11:57:13] <andypugh> enleth: http://www.deweygarrett.com
[11:57:36] <archivist> andypugh, that mill is up again, silly fool wants 500
[11:58:06] <andypugh> He might get it. If he does, I will be happy, it means mine is worth at least £501
[11:58:32] <archivist> I was really happy to offload mine
[11:59:33] <archivist> a mistake to have bought one new
[12:10:21] <thesaint> does anyone use the ngcgui taper-od sub for lathe?
[12:13:40] <archivist> poll type questions are often ignored, ask the real question
[12:15:52] <thesaint> does anyone know why when using ngcgui taper-od for lathe it only makes one pass on the materail to cut the chamfer is this correct? cheers...
[12:18:39] <thesaint> archivist, better? :-)
[12:19:36] <archivist> yes even a non user of it can look at the source code to answer
[12:19:55] <thesaint> archivist, indeed, i am looking now...
[12:20:36] <thesaint> archivist, its seems like that is the programmed operation but i cant see what the intended use would be...
[12:21:34] <archivist> often people write stuff like that to suit the machine they have, not thinking of other needs/uses
[12:21:48] <thesaint> maybe its just meant to be an edge breaking sub...
[12:22:33] <archivist> reduce your feed?
[12:23:28] <thesaint> yip... already tried playing with it. seems as written it is just to break the edge..
[12:25:19] <thesaint> could be wrong but thats how it looks..
[12:26:14] <archivist> I have done tapers just not used any "helpers"
[12:35:01] <andypugh> Why don’t eBay have a way to refund a refund? Something just came through with an 11/11/15 posting date (the day after I ordered it) and 2 weeks after the seller refunded it.
[12:36:11] <archivist> one of those things you work out with the seller I think
[12:37:12] <archivist> specially if you can do it without him incurring fees
[12:39:03] <archivist> actually I bet you can do that in paypals interface
[12:41:21] <thesaint> archivist, i dont think you can...
[12:41:43] <thesaint> archivist, but sender of money dont pay fees i believe..
[12:42:02] <thesaint> archivist, my taper sub is working now :-)
[12:43:13] <andypugh> Yeah, I just sent a payment with an explanation about what it was for.
[12:43:40] <andypugh> It was only £6.49 but that probably buys more beer in China than in does in Basildon.
[12:44:00] <archivist> I bet
[12:47:02] <thesaint> andypugh, depends where in china :-)
[13:19:46] <andypugh> Right, time to shift a 750kg lathe from one side of the workshop to the other so that I can try to figure out what is broken in the drivetrain. I doubt I can even lift the variator when I get to it.
[13:21:56] <skunkworks> andypugh, so that is why the vfd is tripping?
[13:22:08] <andypugh> I am hoping so.
[13:22:25] <andypugh> The drivetrain is locked solid at the moment.
[13:22:30] <skunkworks> ah
[13:22:45] <andypugh> I just hope it is the Variator and not the gearbox.
[13:31:57] <aventtini6> hello guys
[13:32:53] <aventtini6> PCW is on Today ?
[13:34:28] <roycroft> my contractor just called
[13:34:37] <roycroft> he asked me how heavy the vault is that he's trying to install
[13:35:04] <roycroft> his biggest backhoe on site can lift 4750kg
[13:35:16] <roycroft> er, it can lift 2725kg
[13:35:23] <roycroft> the vault weighs 4750kg
[13:35:28] <roycroft> he's having trouble lifting it
[13:36:09] <roycroft> i suggested he bring in heavier equipment
[13:36:16] <roycroft> he's not happy about that
[13:36:38] <roycroft> but i pointed out that the weights of the vaults are stipulated in the bid specs
[13:37:49] <FloppyDisk> Just use 2 backhoes...
[13:43:29] <thesaint> roycroft, vault as in strong room..?
[13:43:40] <roycroft> underground utility vault
[13:43:45] <thesaint> ok..
[13:43:50] <roycroft> i'm installing an extension to a fiber ring
[13:44:07] <thesaint> cool.
[13:44:17] <roycroft> most of the vaults are relatively small
[13:44:33] <roycroft> but there's one section at the end of this loop extension that we can't complete yet
[13:44:35] <thesaint> just not this one?
[13:44:53] <roycroft> the city has to acquire a piece of property so we can have a right of way
[13:45:12] <roycroft> the run from the edge of the property back to my main loop is about 400m
[13:45:46] <roycroft> so i'm installing a giant vault at the edge of the property, and we'll store that 400m of fiber in it until the city acquires the land, at which point we can extend and close the loop
[13:46:01] <roycroft> it's kind of weird
[13:46:11] <roycroft> but it saves having to splice there
[13:47:30] <thesaint> interesting..
[13:47:59] <roycroft> the cost is pretty much a wash
[13:48:15] <roycroft> oversizing the vault cost us about $2000 more than a standard vault
[13:48:27] <roycroft> splicing 288 strands of fiber would cost around $2000
[13:48:37] <roycroft> but this way i have one less splice point
[13:48:43] <roycroft> and therefore one less point of failure
[13:48:48] <roycroft> and less loss
[13:49:14] <roycroft> we knew 15 years ago that we'd be installing this fiber ring
[13:49:28] <roycroft> and the city had been planning on acquiring the property for years before then
[13:49:32] <roycroft> it's undeveloped property
[13:49:44] <roycroft> i'm a little annoyed that they still don't have it
[13:49:47] <roycroft> but oh well
[13:51:11] <thesaint> another ngcgui question - can you run features together? how would i add them and save them for a job? is that possible?
[13:51:21] <andypugh> And.. now I am feeling smug that I made the lathe moving frame. It took most of the time to move other stuff out of the way.
[13:51:58] <roycroft> that is generally the most time-consuming task
[13:52:22] <thesaint> andypugh, you make it from wood or metal?
[13:52:52] <andypugh> Metal.
[13:53:10] <thesaint> andypugh, please post of quick picture if you can be bothered..
[13:53:34] <andypugh> Pics 7 and 8 here: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/holbrook1.html
[13:54:31] <andypugh> It’s modular (should work for the mill too) and lets me assemble it round the lathe, then jack the lathe up a few mm above the floor
[13:55:36] <thesaint> andypugh, like it, how you jacking it up? toe jacks?
[13:55:57] <thesaint> andypugh, and those straps that go under it work ok?
[13:57:09] <andypugh> `There is a jacking screw built in to each castor-mount
[13:57:36] * roycroft assumes that kms are the uk equivalent of harbor freight
[13:57:48] <andypugh> And the strap was just a test. It actually hooks under little brackets at the back and the hold-down bolt recesses at the front.
[13:58:47] <aventtini6> Andy how long it takes to ship from mesa now ? i cand get in contact with pcw
[13:58:49] <thesaint> andypugh, and you can change the width of the frame to get the brackets in and out of position?
[13:58:53] <aventtini6> 2 weeks?
[13:59:30] <andypugh> I really don’t know. I have no links to Mesa
[13:59:50] <aventtini6> i did call but only the robot
[13:59:56] <aventtini6> and email 3 times
[14:01:02] <ReadError> aventtini6 they got back to me via the support contact form today
[14:01:07] <thesaint> andypugh, interesting idea, looks very good. i was using a portal crane to move 800kg, not much fun...
[14:01:08] <ReadError> I am waiting too
[14:02:40] <thesaint> andypugh, its not clear from the picture how you are getting the bracket positioning in and out..
[14:02:41] <aventtini6> what date did you order?
[14:03:04] <aventtini6> 12/30/2015
[14:03:19] <aventtini6> and it says pending
[14:03:38] <andypugh> One chap on the forum ordered 27th December and they arrived 12th January.
[14:03:48] <ReadError> aventtini6 12/28
[14:03:57] <aventtini6> :(
[14:04:04] <aventtini6> did you get a7i77
[14:04:06] <Frank__> u talking about mesa cards? :D
[14:04:08] <aventtini6> right ?
[14:04:10] <aventtini6> yes
[14:04:13] <aventtini6> ::DD
[14:04:22] <ReadError> aventtini6 nah differnet stuff
[14:04:23] <Frank__> how are the delays by now
[14:04:44] <andypugh> His was a 6i25 / 7i77 kit. So, if you are on the same schedule as him, it should arrive for the weekend :-)
[14:05:09] <aventtini6> next time i get 10
[14:05:09] <Frank__> im getting kind of scared as the electronic build part gets closer haha
[14:05:18] <ReadError> i wouldnt care but i took everything apart to get ready for the MESA install
[14:05:23] <ReadError> (my fault)
[14:05:24] <aventtini6> i lost 5 weeks now
[14:05:25] <aventtini6> :))
[14:05:28] <Frank__> auch
[14:05:39] <Frank__> on hurry?
[14:05:59] <aventtini6> i have one of machine dead from mechancial problems
[14:06:15] <aventtini6> and i got another one but no mesa
[14:06:21] <thesaint> does anyone know if you can run ngcgui features one after the other automatically? like the program for a full part..?
[14:06:44] <aventtini6> no sorry
[14:06:48] <thesaint> rather than one after the other manually?
[14:07:02] <andypugh> thesaint: I believe that is one of the advantages of NGCGui over (for example) my Lathe macros.
[14:07:22] <Frank__> its like u are missing one arm right? haha
[14:08:36] <thesaint> andypugh, would be very useful and I would like to know how.... at the moment i have them working but have to run one after the other. cant seem to see how you would add them together...
[14:09:07] <andypugh> I think that JT-Shop knows how
[14:10:00] <Frank__> guys, i asked earlier but maybe some of you know some other advise, i want to check flatness of the machined structure that arrived 2 days ago, i have a starret 98-8 8 inch 0.005 per foot
[14:10:11] <Frank__> is it doable?
[14:10:29] <thesaint> andypugh, yes, i will ask him :-) cheers..
[14:10:45] <andypugh> Frank__: You might want to look at how they inspect surface plates
[14:11:09] <Frank__> who?
[14:11:17] <Frank__> the machining company?
[14:11:22] <Frank__> or generally
[14:11:24] <Frank__> :D
[14:11:32] <andypugh> Frank__: http://info.starrett.com/blog/bid/135805/Precision-Granite-Surface-Plate-Inspection-Simplified
[14:11:33] <thesaint> Frank__, you need actual values or just an idea it is pretty good?
[14:11:50] <Frank__> i need to know that the hiwin linear guides will work nicely
[14:11:55] <Frank__> i will be routing wood
[14:12:06] <ssi> do you have the rails already?
[14:12:09] <Frank__> yes
[14:12:11] <andypugh> They use a straight-edge, two accurate blocks and a dial indicator-like device
[14:12:14] <ssi> use them as a straightedge
[14:12:16] <ssi> they're quite straight
[14:12:20] <Frank__> mine dont
[14:12:22] <Frank__> haha
[14:12:30] <Frank__> the move pretty easily
[14:12:34] <Frank__> they are 2.4mts
[14:12:40] <ssi> even on edge?
[14:12:51] <ssi> how big of a machine are we talking?
[14:13:18] <aventtini6> straight edge is the way
[14:13:23] <Frank__> 8 feet aprox
[14:13:29] <Frank__> :D
[14:13:32] <aventtini6> my longest is 3 meter
[14:13:39] <Frank__> how much
[14:13:47] <andypugh> If you have the rails then you can test by putting the straight-edge at one end and measuring the angle with a very accurate spirit level. Then do the same at the other end and the middle.
[14:14:18] <thesaint> Frank__, andys method is best but if you can get a large straigh edge and a mono chromatic light you can get a good idea that should suit your purpose...
[14:14:19] <Frank__> how much is very accurate? i have a starret 68
[14:14:30] <Frank__> sry 98-8 8 inch with 0.005 grade per foot
[14:14:41] <ssi> how accurate do you need to be ? :P
[14:14:50] <Frank__> enough for the linear guide
[14:14:54] <ssi> which is?
[14:15:08] <andypugh> That is probably good enough for a wood machine.
[14:15:22] <thesaint> ssi, no light shining through is good enough..
[14:15:23] <Frank__> i've seen manual specs but they dont account for linear flatness, they call for parallelism bet. rails and height bet. them
[14:15:45] <ssi> perhaps because linear flatness over a long span isn't critical
[14:15:50] <Jymmm> looking for bowing?
[14:15:51] <Frank__> the machining process they did was removing material with an insert
[14:15:57] <ssi> you're primarily concerned about binding between trucks
[14:16:02] <andypugh> That will be because the flatness limit very much depends on what is fastened to the sliders.
[14:16:03] <Frank__> leaving little marks accros the guide rail
[14:16:17] <thesaint> Frank__, suck it and see?
[14:16:43] <Frank__> yes im concernerd about binding and longevity of rails
[14:16:47] <Frank__> hahaha
[14:16:56] <Frank__> and try not to panic before that hahaah
[14:17:06] <thesaint> lol..
[14:17:14] <andypugh> Not the thing, but isn’t that lovely? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Cast-Iron-Machinist-Level-L-S-STARRETT-Tool-24-Inch-Ornate-/321968019039?hash=item4af6ca165f:g:AgAAAOSwo3pWgyJ-
[14:17:30] <Jymmm> Frank__: No problem, just replace them weekly and you 'll be fine ;)
[14:17:37] <pink_vampire> morning
[14:17:38] <Frank__> lol
[14:18:10] <Frank__> the charge per hour would be like routing gold not wood!
[14:18:21] <Jymmm> andypugh: no pitting or anything on that
[14:18:35] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qStFDcZs5Og
[14:18:38] <ssi> this is good stuff
[14:19:01] <Frank__> thats for like wood right andy?
[14:19:11] <Frank__> beautifull thou!
[14:19:17] <Frank__> classy
[14:19:43] <Frank__> anyway, if there is some little error in the machined surface i can shim or file right?
[14:19:44] <Jymmm> oh, nm. I didn't see the OTHER pics =)
[14:19:59] <Frank__> i have to check prices on straight edges
[14:20:29] <Jymmm> What do you mean "On FedEx vehicle for delivery", where's my damn package!?!?!?!?!
[14:20:44] <andypugh> ssi: That’s a lovely-looking thing
[14:21:01] <ssi> andypugh: isn't it? if you get a spare 45 minutes, watch how he makes the plug
[14:21:05] <ssi> it's well done
[14:21:46] <ssi> there's about six hours of video by this guy about his design and construction processes
[14:22:08] <andypugh> I think I still prefer the Piaggio Pegna PC.7 and the Fairey Delta. But that’s nice.
[14:23:16] <ssi> hey if you can build a fairey delta I want to be part of that project :D
[14:24:22] <Frank__> has anyone seen an expoxy straight edge :=D ?
[14:33:08] <Magnifikus> so if i want to use a fogbuster like system what mixing for alcohol and water would u use for alumium? ^^
[14:33:35] <Magnifikus> we get isopropanol for free so thats the thing of choice
[14:34:36] <CaptHindsight> up to what vapor pressure you want
[14:35:11] <CaptHindsight> IPA evaporates very quickly, water is much slower (comparatively)
[14:35:50] <Magnifikus> thought about 1,5 bar on the coolant and dunno 2 on the air? http://www.dynacut.eu/1bild_11.jpg got this
[14:35:52] <Magnifikus> sorry bad picture
[14:36:28] * SpeedEvil ponders posting the cryogenic machining using IPA@-100C as coolant
[14:36:31] <Magnifikus> yah thats why i want to add some water also to reduce the burnability
[14:37:39] <CaptHindsight> getting the IPA into the cutting edge might take some clever nozzle design
[14:37:59] <CaptHindsight> or just flood it
[14:38:09] <Magnifikus> we did that until now
[14:38:35] <CaptHindsight> like to burn well
[14:38:43] <Magnifikus> yeah
[14:38:55] <Magnifikus> also that wont get the chips away
[14:39:11] <Magnifikus> so you end i chips -> grey mass
[14:39:12] <CaptHindsight> so safety vs cooling performance might be an issue
[14:39:28] <Magnifikus> so better professional stuff with higher flaming point
[14:40:06] <CaptHindsight> IPA + water + oil + surfactant
[14:40:59] <CaptHindsight> I don't cut fast enough to need more than water + oil + surfactant
[14:41:36] <CaptHindsight> try adding IPA to an off the shelf cutting fluid
[14:42:17] <CaptHindsight> probably won't get too flammable until you're over 50:50
[14:42:39] <Magnifikus> we got a datron in the mechanical shop of the university that is cooled with pure ethanol
[14:42:44] <Magnifikus> 1l per hour
[14:42:48] <Magnifikus> thats insane..
[14:43:00] <CaptHindsight> like vodka, brandy and whiskey etc
[14:43:17] <Magnifikus> hehe
[14:43:23] <CaptHindsight> but it's all enclosed
[14:43:36] <Magnifikus> still can go boom
[14:44:03] <thesaint> Magnifikus, dont datron say its perfectly safe?
[14:44:28] <Magnifikus> dunno i dont even know if they say u can use that
[14:44:40] <Magnifikus> i just see the canisters full of ethanol beside it :D
[14:45:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mmsonline.com/articles/alcohol-based-coolant-offers-environmentally-friendly-machining
[14:45:58] <thesaint> MacGyverX, they do..
[14:46:09] <thesaint> Magnifikus, they do..
[14:47:07] <thesaint> Magnifikus, i have a similar machine, just thinking about cooling solutions now..
[14:47:30] <Magnifikus> we got just an old isel gantry thingy with kress ontop :)
[14:47:36] <thesaint> would like to use a similar solution.
[14:47:48] <Magnifikus> but im sick of pouring liters of IPA into the workpiece
[14:48:08] <thesaint> because of the cost? what is the problem?
[14:48:24] <Magnifikus> smell and chips stay on the mill
[14:48:37] <Magnifikus> also we can get it for free but only in 500ml thingies :D
[14:48:57] <Magnifikus> and cuties at the chemical supply start to ask
[14:48:58] <thesaint> Magnifikus, ok...
[14:49:39] <Magnifikus> manual flooding is not really the best way or im wrong?
[14:49:56] <Magnifikus> flood cooling is no option because the machine is not made for that
[14:50:22] <Magnifikus> so minimal cooling seems to be the best for aluminium imho
[14:50:44] <Magnifikus> so the article states its cool for non sparking materials
[14:50:58] <Magnifikus> i saw sparks when a tool broke :D
[14:52:06] <thesaint> Magnifikus, well you could simply test what happens when it ignites. i would do that first of all.. just out of curiousity.
[14:52:13] <thesaint> of course :-)
[14:52:23] <Magnifikus> good idea
[14:52:43] <thesaint> spray some, light it, you get the worst case scenariaio.
[14:52:47] <Magnifikus> and because it evaporates fast it should be much safer than an IPA flooded part
[14:53:02] <thesaint> but if datron are using it i think it would be good...
[14:53:11] <Jymmm> BEER FLOOD?! That's alcohol abuse!!!
[14:53:15] <Magnifikus> hehe
[14:53:16] <thesaint> lol..
[14:53:36] <Magnifikus> only cheap johnny walker!
[14:54:14] <Magnifikus> will try something like 30% water 70% ipa and do a burnin test ^^
[14:56:45] <thesaint> Magnifikus, i think the idea is to use no water...
[14:57:32] <thesaint> i dont know but i would think you need some sort of ventilation or recovery process, the solvent has to go somewhere...
[14:57:53] <Magnifikus> if you use 50-100ml an hour
[14:57:55] <Magnifikus> its not alot
[14:58:19] <Magnifikus> i mean datron runs at different speeds and feeds :D
[15:00:31] <thesaint> Magnifikus, yes, that is nothing, i would not worry.
[15:00:39] <thesaint> test it and see...
[15:01:21] <thesaint> try and ignite it for peace of mind..
[15:01:30] <Magnifikus> dry works also fine until the mill gets cludded with shit :)
[15:08:54] <thesaint> Magnifikus, you could also add a sucker or a blower...
[15:09:17] <thesaint> depends what you are cutting I suppose and what your setup is...
[15:09:19] <Magnifikus> eh compressed air
[15:09:34] <Magnifikus> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Minimalmengenschmierung-Minimalmengenkuhlung-CNC-Frasmaschine-Frase-Typ-MDE-/221984663462?hash=item33af5127a6:g:10IAAMXQeKNTMvAY
[15:09:39] <thesaint> i mean building a shoe around the business end of the spindle..
[15:09:57] <Magnifikus> hmm yeah
[15:10:18] <thesaint> ok, that works good?
[15:10:29] <Magnifikus> still on the desk
[15:10:39] <Magnifikus> they send the me wrong tank (polycarbonat)
[15:10:49] <Magnifikus> so i need to wait for an alcohol proof one
[15:10:54] <thesaint> well be sure to post up a link or picture when you get it working :-)
[15:11:06] <Magnifikus> will do
[15:11:10] <thesaint> maybe i will use something similar..
[15:11:14] <thesaint> where are you?
[15:11:18] <Magnifikus> germany
[15:11:26] <thesaint> where in germany?
[15:11:36] <Magnifikus> fh-muenster.de
[15:11:44] <thesaint> really?
[15:11:56] <thesaint> i am in hiltrup... lol
[15:11:59] <Deejay> lol
[15:12:02] <Deejay> i am in ascheberg
[15:12:10] <thesaint> is that far?
[15:12:19] <thesaint> i am not a local :-)
[15:12:25] <Magnifikus> https://www.fh-muenster.de/fb2/images/labore/hf/DSC01819.JPG
[15:12:26] <Magnifikus> lol
[15:12:33] <Magnifikus> steinfurt to precise
[15:32:00] <nos> \o/
[15:32:12] <nos> I just figured something out!
[15:33:02] <nos> Chips aren't the hottest right at the cutting edge, but a little distance from the edge. This is because of the phase transition from liquid to solid, which releases heat.
[15:34:13] <nos> So a chip just off the cutting edge has liquid phase, and then beings to re-crystallize.
[15:34:29] <SpeedEvil> err...
[15:34:33] <SpeedEvil> chips are never ever liquid.
[15:34:41] <SpeedEvil> Unless you're doing something very, very odd
[15:35:02] <SpeedEvil> yielding does not mean it is not a liquid
[15:35:13] <SpeedEvil> is a
[15:35:21] <Magnifikus> depends i tried teflon yesterday with a not so sharp...
[15:35:32] <Magnifikus> that was pretty sure liquid
[15:35:59] <nos> I don't think the metal has to be completely in the liquid phase for the effect to occur.
[15:36:49] <nos> (BTW I used to reg here a few months ago under the nick ganzuul.)
[15:37:00] <Magnifikus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuSYQ5Npek
[15:37:30] <Magnifikus> that does not look liquid :)
[15:37:39] <nos> Magnifikus: That video is engraved in the dome of my skull.
[15:37:51] <Magnifikus> its just awesome :D
[15:38:50] <nos> I think some of the grain boundaries are likquid...
[15:39:20] <nos> This problaky explains it. Maybe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidus
[15:41:57] <nos> And I don't know another explanation for what's in the left frame in this Sandvik vid: https://youtu.be/JXlMV1FT-6M?t=1m26s
[15:42:24] <JT-Shop> thesaint: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/ngcgui.html#_overview
[15:42:29] <nos> So to me it looks like the wear on the tool tip is because of heat.
[15:48:40] <XXCoder> new old stock, yeah I still wonder how they did that video.
[15:50:43] <thesaint> JT-Shop, right... I think I get the idea, so you would put it all together as one new .ngc as per your requirement? thanks!
[15:53:18] <XXCoder> nos: there is videos that show tool cutting inside lathe,.
[15:53:31] <XXCoder> apparently they use flash/fps combo as well and half cut stock
[15:53:37] <XXCoder> amazing.
[15:54:04] <XXCoder> lets see if can find it
[15:55:28] <XXCoder> bah cant
[15:57:06] <JT-Shop> thesaint: yes, you move the tabs to the order you want then pick finalize
[15:57:41] <JT-Shop> making sure you create each feature before finalize
[15:57:47] <thesaint> JT-Shop, aah...
[15:58:24] <thesaint> do you pick finalise on each of the tabs or only once?
[15:58:39] <thesaint> unless i missed it that is not clear in the docs..
[15:59:24] <JT-Shop> yea finalize is what it means and the docs are a bit terse on the actual use of ngcgui :(
[16:00:09] <thesaint> JT-Shop, got it... sweet!!!
[16:00:15] <thesaint> lol...
[16:00:37] <thesaint> JT-Shop, that is nice. very very good :-) thanks...
[16:01:28] <thesaint> JT-Shop, 3 days in and i can almost make a part :-) lol... - happy!
[16:02:06] <thesaint> JT-Shop, but now i can make a part quickly and easily - well worth the effort :-)
[16:03:40] <nos> XXCoder: Do show it if you come across it!
[16:03:57] <XXCoder> someone here linked to it
[16:04:10] <XXCoder> it was really amazing.
[16:19:10] <Roguish> JT-Shop: hey, with your vfd on the BP, are you (can you) rigid tap?
[16:21:00] <JT-Shop> yes, and it was made easy by having a kwik switch spindle
[16:21:06] <JT-Shop> no draw bar in the way
[16:21:26] <Roguish> so, the spindle will reverse quickly enough?
[16:21:46] <JT-Shop> the axis is fast enough to keep up with the spindle
[16:22:08] <JT-Shop> you can turn the spindle by hand and the axis will follow
[16:22:42] <Roguish> encoder on the spindle? counts per rev?
[16:23:18] <FloppyDisk> I read andyp said the Z axis follows the spindle encoder, so Z must keep up..
[16:26:00] <Roguish> JT-Shop, is the vfd run off the rpc 3 phase?
[16:26:11] <Roguish> or run off single phase ?
[16:29:15] <JT-Shop> the vfd is an automation direct gs2 single phase in 3 phase out and controlled with the gs2 component
[16:30:05] <Roguish> ok. so no rpc for the vfd, and it is cool with rigid tapping. great!!
[16:30:35] <Roguish> the AD vfd's are nice. good value.
[16:32:39] <Deejay> gn8
[16:34:54] <JT-Shop> yea up to 3hp single in 3 out is common
[16:35:54] <JT-Shop> you need the braking resistor for tapping
[16:36:07] <FloppyDisk> JT should get a rep commission for selling AD...
[16:36:12] <Roguish> I see that on the AD site. my spindle is 4 hp. series II bp.
[16:39:15] <FloppyDisk> I went w/ the cheap braking resistor: http://www.ebay.com/itm/351214508654
[16:39:17] * JT-Shop has been using AD since before they were AD... can't remember the original name
[16:39:42] <FloppyDisk> DURAPulse?
[16:40:35] <FloppyDisk> Was looking online at the reactor and other filter items (again), pulled up what looks like an old catalog.
[16:40:44] <FloppyDisk> http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/rf220x00a.pdf
[17:00:56] <JT-Shop> leveling jacks mod and crank handle mod done... now to finish the lift pulley assembly
[17:09:01] <CaptHindsight> abyone used the HMI's by Anaheim Automation? http://www.anaheimautomation.com/marketing/hmi-plc/human-machine-interfaces.php
[17:09:29] <CaptHindsight> wondering what the quality of their software is
[17:15:40] <jdh> we use maple, ab, ge mostly
[17:16:38] <CaptHindsight> their small HMI units are pretty low cost
[17:17:53] <jdh> the ones that do protocol conversion are nice.
[17:18:03] <Magnifikus> looks like relabled http://de.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-MT4414TE-Kinco-7-0-inch-HMI-With-RS232-RS485-USB-Ethernet-2COM-New-original/1682554762.html?spm=2114.020208.3.11.IsX5MP&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_3,searchweb201644_4_10001_10002_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_6,searchweb1451318400_6150
[17:18:04] <CaptHindsight> AB panelink for only $2995
[17:18:15] <Magnifikus> cause the software they use is from kinco china
[17:18:33] <Magnifikus> "relabeled for quality" :D
[17:19:17] <jdh> value added relabeling
[17:19:29] <CaptHindsight> not bad if the warranty is handled through LA vs China
[17:20:03] <CaptHindsight> good fit for a low cost small custom machine with a 1 year warranty
[17:20:29] <Magnifikus> okay but if you can get 2 for the price of 1
[17:20:58] <CaptHindsight> wish there was a Linux version
[17:21:47] <Magnifikus> looks like 128mb flash + 64mb ram
[17:21:53] <Magnifikus> some arm inside
[17:22:16] <CaptHindsight> the hardware is easy and cheap to make
[17:22:40] <CaptHindsight> it's the interface software where Linux falls short
[17:23:39] <Magnifikus> if you can get a serial protocol running for the hmi
[17:23:47] <Magnifikus> shouldnt be too hard to interface with linux
[17:23:54] <Magnifikus> even telnet
[17:24:28] <CaptHindsight> just not enough interested developers
[17:24:59] <FloppyDisk> You might be able to download the software
[17:25:00] <FloppyDisk> http://en.kinco.cn/download/fileDownloadByProductId?downfiletype=1&kind=1&id=13
[17:25:29] <FloppyDisk> kinko hmi's: http://en.kinco.cn/product/hmi
[17:26:01] <CaptHindsight> yes, you can download the 300mb zip of the software
[17:26:04] <Magnifikus> linux developers dont care for nice guis
[17:26:20] <Magnifikus> only the shitty ones making ubuntu unity
[17:26:35] <Magnifikus> that ends in funny security situations :D
[17:26:51] <Magnifikus> and an strange gui
[17:26:53] <CaptHindsight> well Ubuntu vs Linux
[17:27:23] <CaptHindsight> I guess they still use the Linux kernel
[17:27:31] <Magnifikus> i remember the first hour in our operating system lecture
[17:27:48] <Magnifikus> "this lecture is not about colored windows and effects"
[17:27:59] <Magnifikus> please make sure to install solaris
[17:28:48] <Magnifikus> also i encourage you to get familiar with vi
[17:41:39] <andypugh> Ever felt that sense of rising panic as you stagger across the workshop realising that the thing you are carrying really is too heavy for you?
[17:44:25] <CaptHindsight> or too hot or too sharp
[17:46:36] <CaptHindsight> jdh: whats the AB software cost for the larger PLC's, i think the lite version is free or close to it
[17:50:53] <JT-Shop> for the dl series it's about $200 iirc
[17:51:04] <JT-Shop> the click is free but the programming cable is $50
[17:53:40] <CaptHindsight> got the cable on ebay for $10
[18:31:11] <tiwake> http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-y6/
[18:31:45] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: was this the 750kg lathe?
[18:35:24] <Frank__> hey guys i measured with the starret 98-8 spirit level the gantry flatness (1.3mts long) and i am quite dissapointed.. i measured both ends of the guide and i've got 1 and a half graduations each graduation means 0.005 in per foot
[18:35:44] <Frank__> someone has any advice for the guy who got robbed? haha
[18:36:49] <Jymmm> Frank__: Get a bigger gun, and keep it loaded this time?
[18:37:07] <Frank__> i think it means 0.03inch flatness
[18:37:22] <Frank__> or 0.8mm
[18:37:36] <Frank__> yeah, i should jymm
[18:39:31] <Frank__> is shimming good enough???
[18:40:24] <CaptHindsight> boat themed and desks http://www.lian-li.com/en/products-computer-desk/#all/1/list
[18:48:50] <Frank__> T_T
[18:59:23] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: Not all of it. Just the Variator
[19:04:56] <zeeshan> is there a website to buy snapon tools
[19:04:58] <zeeshan> at not list price
[19:06:07] <CaptHindsight> snapon down here is sold through the trucks only
[19:06:14] <zeeshan> same here
[19:06:18] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: Just checked, the Variator is listed as 75kg / 116lb. No wonder it felt a bit of a heave to lift it off the floor and walk across the workshop to the bench.
[19:07:00] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: some are on their webstore
[19:08:06] <andypugh> https://store.snapon.com
[19:08:18] <zeeshan> :28] <zeeshan> at not list price
[19:08:20] <zeeshan> :P
[19:08:39] <CaptHindsight> I see them overpriced and used on ebay
[19:09:24] <andypugh> Why biy snap-on if you don’t want to pay Snap-on prices? Other manufacturers exist.
[19:10:15] <roycroft> some snap-on tools are ergonomically a lot more comfortable to use than any other brands i've used
[19:10:23] <roycroft> i have some snap-on
[19:10:24] <andypugh> I tend to go for Britool, Facom, King-Dick, Teng
[19:10:27] <roycroft> but i don't obsess over snap-on
[19:10:46] <roycroft> i have a mix of brands of tools, both hand and power
[19:11:02] <CaptHindsight> they all break and wear so I tend to buy with lifetime warr
[19:11:06] <roycroft> i have one blue point (snap-on) roll-about cart
[19:11:27] <roycroft> but most of my large tool storage carts are craftsman or homak
[19:11:31] <roycroft> snap-on are much more durable
[19:11:39] <roycroft> but i'm the only one who works in my shop
[19:11:43] <roycroft> and i don't beat things up
[19:12:00] <roycroft> craftsman tools still have a lifetime warranty
[19:12:12] <roycroft> almost all my socket and fixed wrenches are craftsman
[19:12:28] <CaptHindsight> though SK had lifetime it became near impossible to exchange a broken tool
[19:12:35] <roycroft> they perform well, the fixed wrenches are fully-polished, and they cost a fraction of what snap-on costs
[19:12:39] <andypugh> The last thing I treated myself with was: http://www.amazon.com/Wera-05004034001-Zyklop-Ratchet-Switch/dp/B00IMF1B8K/ref=sr_1_29?ie=UTF8&qid=1452732434&sr=8-29&keywords=zyklop
[19:13:48] <CaptHindsight> I had difficulty finding a 3/8 torque wrench with a dial or digital readout
[19:14:22] <CaptHindsight> I use it to measure preload on bearings not just set torque
[19:15:28] <roycroft> i have a 3/8" craftsman torque wrench but it isn't a dial or digital readout
[19:15:32] <roycroft> it's one of the click types
[19:16:07] <roycroft> good for tightening to a particular torque spec, but useless for trying to measure torque
[19:16:08] <CaptHindsight> I picked up a Crafstman on ebay with a digital readout, ends up it's just for setting not reading torque
[19:16:20] <roycroft> oh
[19:16:26] <roycroft> so it's a click type with a fancy display
[19:16:39] <CaptHindsight> yeah, so a beam type or dial indicator is all I can find
[19:16:50] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SNAP-ON-3-8-DRIVE-ATECH2FR100A-80-TOOTH-TECHANGLE-FLEX-LIKE-NEW-/231812699495?hash=item35f91d1567:g:PGwAAOSwJcZWhA0w&item=231812699495&vxp=mtr#shpCntId
[19:16:51] <zeeshan> looks nice
[19:16:54] <zeeshan> i think im gonna get it
[19:16:57] <CaptHindsight> it was even difficult to find a 3/8 beam type
[19:17:08] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i can send you like 10
[19:17:10] <zeeshan> i have too many
[19:17:14] <zeeshan> =]
[19:17:44] <CaptHindsight> heh, spent >$50 on the last one
[19:17:54] <CaptHindsight> only one place had it
[19:17:58] <zeeshan> considering this is going for 499 usd on snapon's website
[19:18:01] <zeeshan> mayube i should get this
[19:18:03] <zeeshan> cause its a good deal
[19:18:04] <zeeshan> half price
[19:18:15] <zeeshan> looks hardly used
[19:18:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Craftsman-1-2-inch-Drive-Digi-Click-Digital-Torque-Wrench-25-250-ft-lbs-Tool-/151943955812 got this for $120 new in box
[19:19:09] <zeeshan> i look at it as
[19:19:15] <zeeshan> 250 for peace of mind
[19:19:20] <zeeshan> for a 8000$ engine
[19:19:25] <zeeshan> maybe i should buy it new
[19:21:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.torqueleader.com/torque-measuring-tools/
[19:22:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.torqueleader.com/torque-measuring-tools/digital-torque-wrench-torcotronic-with-angle/
[19:23:34] <zeeshan> really the beam type is most accurate
[19:23:43] <zeeshan> but youre subjected to reading error
[19:23:45] <zeeshan> thats about it
[19:23:53] <roycroft> if torque readings are that critical i would send even a brand new one in for calibration
[19:24:04] <zeeshan> from my understanding, these torque wrenches have a beam in them
[19:24:06] <zeeshan> w/ a strain gage
[19:24:33] <roycroft> and assuming that the used one can be calibrated, i think it would be just as accurate as a new one after calibration
[19:28:25] <zeeshan> man
[19:28:27] <zeeshan> now that im thinking about it
[19:28:31] <zeeshan> i really should get a dial torque wrench
[19:28:37] <zeeshan> no bs electronics to worry about
[19:28:45] <zeeshan> centuries of use
[19:28:45] <zeeshan> :P
[19:29:23] <enleth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAIY0I5GGw4 - I'll just leave it here
[20:18:07] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdyHF_wUqMw
[20:22:08] <cncnoob1979> hey! Im trying to wire my encoder on a bridgeport interact 1. Im wiring these through a 702b exe box to a 7i77. Im trying to figure out what my signals are in relation to the 7i77.
[20:24:17] <cncnoob1979> such as, my wires from the exe is: ua0 ua0/ , ua1 ua1/, ua2 ua2/ - I belive these to be the phases? and I have Uas/
[20:25:51] <cncnoob1979> the 7i77 have pinouts listed as QA0 QA0/, QB0 QB0/, IDX IDX/
[20:26:39] <cncnoob1979> im thinking to go from numerical order, but i dont understand what the idx is for?
[20:26:58] <FloppyDisk> Not familiear w/ the 702b, but the 7i77 is channel A, B, and INDEX (or sometimes Z channel).
[20:27:21] <FloppyDisk> idx is index channel. Usually once per rev, for rotary encoders
[20:27:46] <cncnoob1979> ok, that would be the va0
[20:27:59] <FloppyDisk> Also, the 7i77 has the ability to be single ended or differential (default on 7i77).
[20:28:02] <cncnoob1979> correction Ua0 for the index
[20:28:19] <cncnoob1979> mine are the ero 115 encoders
[20:28:37] <FloppyDisk> I would bet the ua0 ua0/ is differential, but something to check.
[20:28:38] <cncnoob1979> differential I do belive mine are
[20:29:05] <FloppyDisk> If you have Ua0 for index, then the other two can be the A and B channels.
[20:29:12] <cncnoob1979> I cant find any information for these encoders. I have been close but nothing on the net.
[20:29:33] <FloppyDisk> Never heard of a 702b until now...
[20:30:02] <FloppyDisk> I think you could hook them up and then look at halscope and see if you can see the pulses by turning the motors manually.
[20:30:14] <cncnoob1979> it does 25 fold, its an oldie. might not even work. I also have some 610C, but the documentaion is the same pinouts
[20:30:18] <FloppyDisk> Here's sort of a suggestion: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/10-advanced-configuration/29579-new-quadrature-encoder-index-questions
[20:30:30] <FloppyDisk> for the hal scope.
[20:31:19] <cncnoob1979> i looked up an idp 101 board for help in trying to understand the output, thatis where I got the Ua0 from for the index. So im not sure :)
[20:31:44] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, that can be problem...
[20:32:36] <cncnoob1979> I shouldnt be able to fry anything right? The 702B provides the power to the encoders and they are factory wired. Im using cat5 for testing from the exe to the 7i77
[20:32:52] <FloppyDisk> I've read about some 'solid' electronics guys reverse engr. the signals, which for me gets tricky w/ +5V and 0Vdc...
[20:33:22] <FloppyDisk> I think you have the signals, it's a matter of what level they output (5vdc??) and where that comes from.
[20:33:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271659536669 only 4 left!
[20:34:05] <archivist> making sure you have the right wires for power and 0v is the most important
[20:34:22] <malcom2073> ssi: ^^^
[20:34:36] <cncnoob1979> ok, ill try to hook it up and power it up. Ill check back in here in a moment.
[20:34:41] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, and how does that 702b box work w/ that? different kind of setup...
[20:35:05] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Those were going for $700 not long ago, I guess he was selling out too fast, and decided to raise the price heh
[20:35:40] <CaptHindsight> they go on sale every now and then
[20:36:07] <FloppyDisk> CaptHindsight nice... I suppose you would need drives.
[20:39:05] <FloppyDisk> This picture is kinda cool: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121265466480
[20:40:00] <CaptHindsight> start your very own robot army
[20:40:22] <malcom2073> Quite the army army
[20:40:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Staubli-Unimation-RX60-RX-60-Robot-Robotic-Arm-w-Base-F-02-2000-45-kg/121186667941 is a nice one
[22:15:13] <zeeshan> interviews.. ahhhhhhhh
[22:15:16] <zeeshan> :{
[22:20:24] <bobo_> zeeshan are the interviews computer to computer or the old timey human to zeeshan type ?
[22:20:33] <zeeshan> human type
[22:20:41] <zeeshan> :{
[22:22:01] <bobo_> a real human or some burnt out old bobo type ?
[22:22:22] <zeeshan> both :P
[22:22:52] <zeeshan> this one is a second interview
[22:23:00] <zeeshan> so i think it will be pretty intense
[22:23:16] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7hCPODjJO7s#t=266 - going overboard with jigs
[22:25:43] <zeeshan> guy does proper work
[22:26:38] <bobo_> zeeshan I would be interested in the replay , ie after it's over . any way good luck to you
[22:26:47] <zeeshan> thanks :D
[22:27:05] <zeeshan> these guys made a massive moving stage for royal carribean
[22:28:11] <bobo_> zeeshan what's up on the deckel , so far /
[22:28:29] <zeeshan> will only work with the pendant
[22:28:33] <zeeshan> moves only in x y z
[22:28:38] <zeeshan> spindle doesnt work
[22:28:50] <zeeshan> they're trying to figure it out themself :p
[22:28:53] <zeeshan> but i know the problem
[22:29:08] <zeeshan> he said if they dont figure it out by sunday, they will call me in
[22:34:43] <bobo_> what the heck is with this Sunday crap. you going to hav e a laying of hands/mumble the magic deckel words
[22:35:39] <zeeshan> they couldnt get the machine started last sunday
[22:35:40] <zeeshan> went over
[22:35:45] <zeeshan> it just needed a reset on the control
[22:35:49] <zeeshan> and machine homing
[22:35:53] <zeeshan> cause it had been off too long
[22:41:28] <bobo_> zeeshan wish I was closer, would enjoy seeing the deckel. hope you get interested enough to do a compare an contrast of the dialog vers linux
[22:41:39] <zeeshan> dialog11
[22:41:42] <zeeshan> hasn't gotten shit on linuxcnc
[22:41:46] <zeeshan> 100%
[22:41:53] <zeeshan> :)
[22:41:55] <zeeshan> theres no TP
[22:41:58] <zeeshan> first of all!
[22:42:08] <zeeshan> theres no expansion capability
[22:42:33] <zeeshan> linuxcnc-features pretty much does the same thing as dialog11 conversational
[22:42:45] <zeeshan> though the dialog11 conversational is a bit more intuitive
[22:42:58] <zeeshan> i do like the screen that shows all the g-codes and m-codes
[22:43:03] <zeeshan> basically one click quick reference screen
[22:43:10] <zeeshan> rather than opening a massive webpage :P
[22:43:17] <zeeshan> but that is minor stuff
[22:49:52] <bobo_> if you mean expansion capability as far as program size then should be able to drip feed . TP ? interesting as would think there must be something to make it better than a point to point machine
[22:50:09] <zeeshan> no not expansion like that
[22:50:18] <zeeshan> lets say i want to add a seperate g-code for mist coolant
[22:50:19] <zeeshan> i cant
[22:55:00] <bobo_> have you ever discussed the dialog with Ross over on PM . pretty sure he would be interested
[22:55:34] <zeeshan> nop
[22:55:46] <zeeshan> bobo
[22:55:48] <zeeshan> you saw my logo?
[22:55:57] <zeeshan> :D
[22:55:59] <bobo_> yes
[22:56:03] <zeeshan> i really like it
[22:56:08] <zeeshan> simple
[22:56:10] <zeeshan> and nerdy
[22:57:46] <bobo_> was trying to kid pete into putting your logo on a tatoo/hotdog cart
[22:58:31] <zeeshan> ROFL
[22:58:32] <zeeshan> ROFL!!
[22:58:35] <zeeshan> what did he say
[23:00:09] <bobo_> had to exp;ain what a tat cart would be. pete is too serious sometimes I think
[23:01:31] <zeeshan> yea trhats why im laughing
[23:01:34] <zeeshan> he musta been confused
[23:01:43] <zeeshan> bobo i need to build a beter welding cart
[23:01:46] <zeeshan> to hold everything
[23:01:50] <zeeshan> mig, tig, plasma
[23:01:54] <zeeshan> co2/argon + argon bottles
[23:01:58] <zeeshan> design me one
[23:02:01] <zeeshan> need to make it this weekend
[23:02:12] <zeeshan> along with mount my winch on the floor
[23:04:18] <bobo_> any way the logo . looks like something you would come up with . pushing the envlope . which is good
[23:06:01] <Contract_Pilot> Sup all
[23:09:29] <bobo_> winch on the floor I just drilled holes 1/2" in garage floor for winching ,Horz only pull ,the machines into the garage.concrete anchor boltsr
[23:09:42] <anomynous> anyone been using gibbscam? When using volymill, is it possible to define "dangerous" milling directions which should be taken at slower feed when using volumill? I have a flimsy setup of 30x80 stock which needs to be milled 60mm in depth and it is being gripped by 5mm in jaws, and I'm afraid it may come off when going in y-direction
[23:10:24] <anomynous> it is now done conventionally by profile milling in depth cuts, but thats just... really slow :D
[23:25:07] <zeeshan> only 1/2"?
[23:25:09] <zeeshan> deep?
[23:25:44] <zeeshan> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81rBLzkSwHL._SL1500_.jpg
[23:25:45] <zeeshan> that style?
[23:28:56] <anomynous> im sure that would be enough to winch most things you might want in your garage ;D
[23:32:31] <bobo_> zeeshan 1/2" dia about 4 to 6" long , non captive type - just threaded full length
[23:33:02] <zeeshan> ah
[23:33:04] <zeeshan> why not captive
[23:33:39] <bobo_> wanted to be able to move them around
[23:33:56] <anomynous> im sure thats enough for winching most things you dont want in your garage :D
[23:34:29] <zeeshan> i just need to winch in cars :P
[23:36:37] <anomynous> i thought it would be weird if no one was trying to invent a refuellable battery, so i searched youtube ;D
[23:36:40] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxtcYua4pOM
[23:39:02] <bobo_> I used a harbor F winch 12volt DC -3000 lbs label with a sheve block to pull the 3 maho mills (1 at a time ) off trailer and into 2 car garage
[23:40:50] <bobo_> had a 150amp battery charger and 12 volt battery as power for the winch
[23:47:19] <zeeshan> nice!
[23:47:22] <bobo_> put the winch on a steel plate with chain holes front and back . front for tying the sheve block return to ,rear for a chain between winch and another plate the bolt to floor
[23:52:11] <bobo_> zeeshan having a inverter type tig/welder powered from say extension cable that is at same time powering a plasma cutter ,may not be a good thing
[23:59:27] <zeeshan> i dont have an inverter tig
[23:59:30] <zeeshan> i use a transformer tig
[23:59:46] <zeeshan> they are on separate breakers