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[02:24:46] <Deejay> moin
[05:43:38] <jthornton> morning
[05:46:03] <Jymmm> Mornin
[05:46:52] <Jymmm> 33F
[05:52:22] <malcom2073> Morning
[05:52:25] <malcom2073> Yeah pretty warm
[05:54:02] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[05:54:10] <XXCoder> I planned to ask you a question but forgot what
[05:54:48] <XXCoder> night all heh 3:30 am here
[05:55:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder: where you at?
[05:56:05] <XXCoder> north of north pole
[05:56:19] <Jymmm> Then that wouldn't be 3:330am
[05:56:35] <XXCoder> actually north pole you can choose what hour
[05:56:56] <XXCoder> all zones meet there basically (besides 2 weird ones)
[05:57:44] <XXCoder> and by definition there IS a place north of north pole too
[05:57:54] <Jymmm> XXCoder: where you at?
[05:58:04] <XXCoder> west washington state heh
[05:58:08] <Jymmm> ah
[05:58:24] <_methods> you live in sedro wooley or something lol
[05:58:58] <XXCoder> no idea what sedrp wooley is.
[05:59:28] <_methods> you must live in southwestern wa then
[05:59:37] <_methods> vancouver trash?
[05:59:44] <XXCoder> nah mid-west washington
[05:59:54] <XXCoder> I used to live at vancouver. glad finally moved out
[05:59:55] <_methods> you mean seattle
[05:59:56] <_methods> lol
[06:00:02] <_methods> yeah vancouver sucks
[06:00:04] <XXCoder> nah bit south of that lol
[06:00:15] <_methods> tacoma land
[06:00:18] <Jymmm> San Diego
[06:00:21] <XXCoder> yeah ta coma land
[06:00:37] <Jymmm> _methods: HE's in San Diego WA
[06:00:39] <XXCoder> better than vancouver still though
[06:00:50] <_methods> gang land lol
[06:01:04] <XXCoder> it was had here in tacoma but now its not bad
[06:01:22] <XXCoder> 90s was bad decade. I lived here in 80s then never was back till 2013
[06:01:23] <Jymmm> ...it's worse?
[06:01:36] <XXCoder> nah just not enough people left
[06:01:42] <XXCoder> so hardly any crime.
[06:01:59] <XXCoder> there must be 8 people.. oh yea that couple. 10 people left now
[06:03:45] <XXCoder> heh seriously though not much crime nowdays
[06:03:54] <XXCoder> tacoma decided to crack down hard in 0s
[06:07:35] <_methods> "
[06:07:39] <_methods> "crack" down lol
[06:07:55] <_methods> i see what you did there
[06:10:16] <XXCoder> unintended but yeah
[06:10:20] <XXCoder> crack down on crack
[06:12:30] <Jymmm> Now 32F
[06:31:46] <XXCoder> nice and cool eh
[06:31:56] <XXCoder> maybe time to get coat.
[06:32:09] <XXCoder> my room is currently 55f
[06:35:46] <XXCoder> oh its nice and toasty 63 now lol just checked
[06:43:26] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder :)
[06:43:37] <XXCoder> whats up
[06:44:01] <pink_vampire> I'm fine..
[06:44:57] <pink_vampire> I got yesterday some heat shrink tubing
[06:46:58] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I'm curious what do you want to ask me?
[06:47:15] <XXCoder> couldnt remember. maybe it was just comment though
[06:49:12] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[06:49:17] <XXCoder> the cvampire part
[06:49:40] <XXCoder> anyway your earlier comment about why you used vampire name reminded me of good friend of mine
[06:49:47] <XXCoder> he called himself count blockula
[06:49:57] <XXCoder> he was truly amazing lego builder
[06:50:23] <XXCoder> died young at 35 though, he had health problems his entire life, he played with lego a lot while in hospitals
[07:03:46] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: he wasnt unhappy though, he had better life than I have now lol
[07:04:11] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/wiv76jL.png
[07:04:14] <ReadError> crazy
[07:06:30] <pink_vampire> I'm not wake at night anymore.. but I like the vampire part.. and I'm not sure who gave it to me.. maybe you??
[07:06:37] <XXCoder> nah
[07:06:54] <XXCoder> man his sites still up, though I wonder for how long
[07:07:01] <XXCoder> hes been dead for 5 years now
[07:07:26] <pink_vampire> it is very sad for my to hear about people that died young..
[07:07:51] <XXCoder> indeed. he had more lego talent in his discarded hair than my entire bodyu
[07:08:00] <pink_vampire> also ian murdock..
[07:08:21] <XXCoder> look at
http://www.countblockula.com/
[07:10:23] <pink_vampire> I see.. but It's look like part of the website broken
[07:10:36] <XXCoder> yeah its been unmaintained since
[07:10:48] <XXCoder> some broken pictures but click on it it still shows
[07:11:07] <XXCoder> frankly I'm surpised its still up.
[07:12:22] <pink_vampire> yeah..
[07:13:04] <pink_vampire> I'm starving!!
[07:16:41] <XXCoder> food or foodlike sustances time!
[07:17:54] <pink_vampire> I'm going to make tea with something..
[07:18:01] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ..
[07:18:14] <XXCoder> cool
[07:19:04] <pink_vampire> I like tea with biscuits
[07:21:10] <pink_vampire> the moment that you drink tea with biscuits, you know that you are part of very aristocratic and royal society
[07:21:30] <archivist_herron> snobbery
[07:21:35] <skunkworks> coffee and donuts...
[07:21:48] <XXCoder> I like tea pre-dipped. so, basically water. heh
[07:22:05] <pink_vampire> lol
[07:22:19] <pink_vampire> pre-dipped tea!
[07:22:27] <pink_vampire> I like it.
[07:22:30] <archivist_herron> the one part of the USA I did visit more than once, Dunkin donuts
[07:23:05] <skunkworks> I think dunkin is pretty much everywhere..
[07:23:35] <pink_vampire> dunkin donuts is junk
[07:23:45] <pink_vampire> I like subway..
[07:24:26] <XXCoder> ate at subway today
[07:24:37] <XXCoder> one of 3 choices for going out after 1:45 am
[07:25:25] <pink_vampire> I don't like that they cut it in half
[07:27:08] <XXCoder> I'm ok with it as I can hold half with one hand and eat as I read on my kindle.
[07:29:31] <pink_vampire> but if you ask not to cut it.. you just need to tear the paper on one end, and eat the whole thing.. you also can it wan without have to seat
[07:30:13] <XXCoder> sure but I do like the cut so whatever :D
[07:32:19] <pink_vampire> my BF bring my raspberry tea.. he is soo cute..
[07:32:33] <XXCoder> raspberry pi tea ;)
[07:33:56] <pink_vampire> I have the RPI... and yeah.. maybe tae will be much more decent use for it..
[07:34:05] <jthornton-> one of my early careers was making donuts, I started at 16 working at Dough Boy Donuts
[07:34:48] <jthornton> when they closed I started working at Tasty Donuts from 6pm to 6am 7 days a week
[07:35:52] <pink_vampire> jthornton: , and now?
[07:36:40] <jthornton> I still know how to make donuts
[07:36:58] <jthornton> or are you trying to ask what I do for a living?
[07:37:19] <pink_vampire> I mean you still work in makeing donuts?
[07:37:39] <jthornton> no, that ended a long long time ago
[07:38:54] <pink_vampire> so.. what do you do for a living...
[07:40:50] <jthornton> I do a lot of things including design and build automation equipment, design, manufacture and sell accessories for the Can Am Spyder, fabricate steel things... and the list goes on and on
[07:41:41] <jthornton> I have a small machine shop and fabrication shop
[07:43:59] <pink_vampire> this is soo nice.
[07:44:18] <XXCoder> nice
[07:44:32] <pink_vampire> what kind of machine do you have?
[07:44:56] <jthornton> John Deere 350
[07:45:34] <pink_vampire> excavator???!
[07:45:56] <jthornton> crawler with a 6 way dozer blade
[07:46:02] <Deejay> machines for real men :D
[07:46:32] <jthornton> I also have a John Deere 310A
[07:50:11] <ReadError> http://rockford.craigslist.org/grd/5371309255.html related
[07:51:09] <malcom2073> Heh, that looks sorta like a lder D110
[07:51:11] <malcom2073> older*
[07:51:17] <malcom2073> Which would be halarious
[07:53:08] <jthornton> lol
[07:53:17] <jthornton> sticks out way too far
[07:54:45] <pink_vampire> I would never understand what so excited about that
[07:54:54] <malcom2073> I wish I had a real tractor
[07:55:20] <malcom2073> There have been a couple times where I could really use the capability to lift and move something decently heavy, and/or drag it
[07:56:48] <ReadError> Ive always wanted a forklift
[07:56:55] <ReadError> even though I have no use
[07:57:09] <jthornton> I have a 1956 Ferguson F40 that is rebuilt on the inside, just need some new paint and she will shine
[07:57:30] <pink_vampire> 12*3+3*3+3*3+3
[07:58:30] <XXCoder> http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/4/3/6/490436_v1.gif funny lol
[07:59:04] <malcom2073> Heh, I like Gary Oldman
[07:59:50] <XXCoder> man I love gif control plugin
[07:59:59] <XXCoder> allows me to pause gifs and stuff
[08:00:08] <malcom2073> Nice
[08:00:56] <XXCoder> "toggle animated gifs"
[08:01:57] <pink_vampire> 12*3+3*3+3*3+3=57 heat shrinks tubs!
[08:02:18] <ReadError> wat
[08:02:25] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: *2
[08:02:39] <pink_vampire> why *2?
[08:02:49] <malcom2073> Because you *always* run out of heat shrink tube
[08:03:40] <pink_vampire> I'm going to design it in solidworks, and calculate the length
[08:04:00] <malcom2073> That has no bearing on my statement :P
[08:05:13] <pink_vampire> I know.. I can do it with normal calculator.. but you know..
[08:09:42] <pink_vampire> I dont have heat gun..
[08:09:59] <malcom2073> Buy one
[08:10:09] <malcom2073> You can get by with a cheap paint stripper from the hardware store
[08:10:19] <XXCoder> would hair dryer work?
[08:10:30] <ReadError> I use my hotair rework a lot of heatshrink
[08:10:34] <ReadError> such a useful tool
[08:10:35] <malcom2073> I wouldn't expect it would get hot enough
[08:10:46] <ReadError> of=for
[08:11:17] <XXCoder> if I recall right (been years) it can get quite hot
[08:11:49] <malcom2073> Yeah, but heatshrink typically needs skin melting temperatures
[08:12:03] <XXCoder> I meant burn skin hot heh
[08:12:14] <malcom2073> Be worth a shot
[08:12:20] <malcom2073> If not, run the the craft store or hardware store and pick one up :P
[08:12:20] <XXCoder> but I suppose it depends on few factors.
[08:12:24] <XXCoder> yeah
[08:12:34] <XXCoder> its late so not possible right now
[08:12:45] <malcom2073> My wife has a crafty heat gun that was super cheap that I've used in a pinch when I couldn't find mine
[08:13:55] <_methods> hot air rework gets hot enough to melt solder lol
[08:14:03] <ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Brand-NEW-Hot-858D-220V-air-gun-soldering-station-iron-tool-solder-welding-60W-ESD/32408394179.html
[08:14:05] <_methods> heat shrink is cake compared to that
[08:14:09] <malcom2073> _methods: I meant does a hair dryer get hot enough :P
[08:14:11] <ReadError> banging deal
[08:14:16] <ReadError> for the USA folks
[08:14:17] <_methods> oh lol
[08:14:36] <XXCoder> that is, if it don't catch on fire lol
[08:14:47] <XXCoder> like all those "hoverboards"
[08:15:06] <ReadError> ive use my '858d' daily, solid piece of kit
[08:15:12] <malcom2073> The only thing funnier than people's houses getting burned down, is watching people get injured on those things.
[08:15:13] <_methods> i used to use my hotair station but now i just use one of those little butane torches
[08:15:23] <ReadError> but i imagine they have several different mfgs
[08:15:23] <malcom2073> There's a *reason* segway has a freaking handle to hold on to
[08:15:51] <_methods> i have a jbc adc2100
[08:15:54] <_methods> i love that thing
[08:16:04] <_methods> nice being able to solder instantly
[08:16:45] <XXCoder> malcom2073: "hoverboard" was controllable, but fake ones tend to be very hot.
[08:16:49] <XXCoder> literally. :P
[08:16:56] <malcom2073> heh
[08:24:45] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/NcwMy0i.gifv also related ;)
[08:25:12] <malcom2073> Bwahaha
[08:25:45] <XXCoder> it knew it was so lame
[08:25:50] <XXCoder> so it drowned itself
[08:26:04] <ReadError> looks like the owner did the same
[08:26:05] <XXCoder> she then realized same.
[08:26:09] <XXCoder> lol
[08:30:24] <_methods> man those hoverboards are making so much material for youtube
[08:32:25] <pink_vampire> just to let you know.
[08:33:03] <XXCoder> yeah?
[08:33:22] <pink_vampire> always use the full name of a brand name
[08:34:13] <pink_vampire> especially when you speak
[08:34:45] <XXCoder> good thing I dont plan to speak anytime soon lol
[08:34:49] <malcom2073> Lol
[08:35:12] <malcom2073> The "hoverboard"(tm) is screwed at this point
[08:35:17] <malcom2073> But they've already made their money
[08:35:23] <XXCoder> actually
[08:35:32] <XXCoder> most fire ones are off brand ripoffs
[08:35:43] <malcom2073> right
[08:35:46] <malcom2073> I mean the PR nightmare
[08:35:59] <XXCoder> yeah design and brand is dead
[08:36:00] <_methods> people keep buyin them
[08:36:05] <_methods> even after all the videos
[08:36:10] <_methods> and fires
[08:36:10] <XXCoder> really? jeez
[08:36:42] <malcom2073> holy hell, auto parts store near me went out of business, the'yre auctioning off inventory
[08:37:03] <malcom2073> Man, if I had spare income I'd buy a lot of that up and ebay the more common parts, they're going for super cheap
[08:37:18] <XXCoder> you need money to make money unfortunately
[08:38:14] <archivist_herron> people fixing their own cars is a falling market
[08:38:32] <XXCoder> I wonder if its possible to use raspberrypi with 2 nice nema 37s to make "hoverboard" with sensors lol
[08:38:51] <XXCoder> archivist_herron: yeah due to increasing complex design
[08:39:04] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Servos would be better
[08:39:23] <malcom2073> If you're spinning a stepper fast and it misses, it'll often lock up
[08:40:14] <XXCoder> makes sense. yeah
[08:41:08] <XXCoder> heh I recall a recall on segway because it would just flop over when ran out of power
[08:41:13] <XXCoder> I wonder how they fixed that
[08:41:23] <XXCoder> (flop over when traveling)
[08:43:51] <ReadError> hmm so I got ISE all setup etc
[08:44:02] <ReadError> but cant find the software for the 7i76e
[08:44:06] <Jymmm> Make it act like it's out-of-gas before it's too late?
[08:44:18] <ReadError> was told I need to make a custom bitfile to use 7i76e+7i76
[08:44:35] <XXCoder> Jymmm: maybe. just refuse to go, just stand and balance below certain %
[08:45:01] <Jymmm> XXCoder: *shrug*
[08:48:18] <_methods> ReadError: i'm sure pcw would know when he gets in
[08:49:31] <XXCoder> laters so late 6 am now lol
[08:53:28] <pink_vampire> I need scaler
[08:55:15] <archivist_herron> I need a translation
[08:57:21] <pink_vampire> ultrasonic scaler
[08:57:40] <malcom2073> And I need a toilet made of gold, but it's just not in the cards
[08:58:04] <Jymmm> ...but it is a shitty job
[08:59:30] <pink_vampire> http://img.medicalexpo.com/images_me/photo-g/71620-3899241.jpg
[09:00:32] <pink_vampire> it's basically a very sharp and strong tip that vibrate very fast
[09:02:46] <pink_vampire> I took the shity one wire temp probes out, and now I have few points of j-b weld on my G320Xs
[09:07:38] <Jymmm> Would not of had that issue had you just used rtv as I suggested.
[09:11:16] <pink_vampire> now, I'm going lo make a mount for the new sensors.. it will solve the problem completely
[09:19:38] <ReadError> hmm
[09:19:47] <ReadError> where the heck are these xise files
[09:19:57] <ReadError> grabbed hostmot2-firmware from git.linuxcnc.org
[09:47:08] <pink_vampire> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/worlds-first-raspberry-pi-tattoo/
[09:49:32] <malcom2073> Bwahaha, the anti tattoo comments are awesome
[09:52:11] <FinboySlick> I'm pretty sure if one were to actually make a toilet out of gold, some rich dude would buy it for way more than the actual bullion price. It could be a profitable venture.
[09:53:38] <anomynous> then do it
[09:53:52] <FinboySlick> Up-front capital is a bit beyond my range.
[09:54:09] <anomynous> its a good business idea. Im sure you get a loan
[09:54:49] <_methods> http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2016258_2016259_2016264,00.html
[09:55:26] <_methods> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/gallery/gold-toilet-gifted-by-arab-king-to-daughter/1/13125.html
[09:55:32] <_methods> gold toilets all over
[10:00:24] <pink_vampire> gold it's very good heat conductor. it's going to be very cold to seat on it..
[10:01:23] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: You heat it, of course
[10:02:52] <pink_vampire> also a problem..
[10:03:42] <pink_vampire> you need something that will diffuse the heat..
[10:06:49] <ssi> blah
[10:07:16] <_methods> blah?
[10:07:27] <ssi> you heard me!
[10:07:35] <_methods> oh
[10:07:37] <pink_vampire> but the bidet is nice..
[10:07:39] <_methods> you mean blah
[10:11:26] <ssi> I do
[10:12:09] <Loetmichel> the problem is more that you cant MOVE a loo made of massive gold without a small crane
[10:12:54] <archivist_herron> rollers
[10:13:04] <_methods> if you're making turd catchers out of gold you don't worry about such trivial things
[10:14:09] <cradek> the comments say it's not a true story
[10:14:13] <cradek> there are citations
[10:14:21] <cradek> I didn't check them because my 5 seconds of interest were already over
[10:14:24] <_methods> gold plated lol
[10:14:50] <cradek> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2016/01/n6maa10816-func-combat-colonization-defense-prog-phys-lev-a-ment-lev-a/
[10:14:56] <cradek> it's funny when there are future dates in sci-fi
[10:14:58] <_methods> it's all the leprechauns hanging out in your bathroom that is the real issue
[10:16:14] <Loetmichel> a standard loo made of ceramics has a weight of 25 kg... same made of gold will be about 200kg...
[10:16:55] <ReadError> hey cradek any idea where the hostmot2 xise files are located now?
[10:16:55] <ssi> 200kg of gold is worth about $200MM
[10:16:58] <ssi> er
[10:17:00] <ssi> $7MM
[10:17:08] <ReadError> docs say with firmware source
[10:17:12] <archivist_herron> moving 200kg is easy
[10:17:17] <ReadError> but seems to be missing in the repo
[10:18:11] <cradek> I don't know what xise files are, but I know our packages are built from
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=hostmot2-firmware.git
[10:18:34] <ssi> xise is the xilinx environment project files
[10:18:49] <ReadError> ssi yea
[10:18:51] <cradek> sorry, I have no idea
[10:18:55] <ssi> I assume he's looking for the mesa firmware source, which comes from mesa's freeby site
[10:18:57] <cradek> maybe ask in -devel
[10:18:58] <ssi> sec
[10:18:59] <ReadError> i need to make a custom bitfile
[10:19:13] <ssi> http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/5i25.zip
[10:19:40] <ssi> there's a link on the mesa site, right next to "Manual" that says "Support Software", and the firmware sources are there
[10:21:06] <ReadError> ahhhh thanks
[10:21:28] <ReadError> didnt see that for the 7i76e
[10:21:59] <ssi> cause 7i76e doesn't run hm2 firmware :)
[10:22:20] <ssi> I think the field io processor runs some kind of code, but it's not the same code
[10:24:54] <ReadError> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Editing_MESA_Bitfiles
[10:25:16] <ReadError> following this, "The right project file (.xise) for your board" thats the part im having trouble locating though
[10:25:27] <ReadError> TopEthernet16HostMot2.vhd I have
[10:25:45] <ssi> oh 7i76e
[10:25:47] <ssi> sorry I missed that
[10:25:51] <ReadError> ya
[10:25:51] <ssi> yeah it DOES run hm2 firmware
[10:26:01] <ssi> and the ethernet one is the one you want I imagine
[10:30:52] <ReadError> but where would the .xise for that be though ?
[10:31:40] <ReadError> http://freeby.mesanet.com/7i76e.zip
[10:31:57] <ReadError> lets see
[10:32:17] <ssi> etherhm2.xise maybe?
[10:32:18] <malcom2073> holy hell ssi lives
[10:32:28] <ssi> malcom2073: debatable
[10:32:46] <ReadError> dang, thats only the ini and hal
[10:32:58] <ssi> ReadError: yea go back to the 5i25 sources and try etherhm2.xise
[10:33:39] <ReadError> oh strange so its bundled in that one maybe
[10:34:34] <ReadError> heh theres no xise in that zip ;(
[10:34:39] <ssi> there is
[10:34:41] <ssi> it's inside another zip
[10:34:55] * ReadError peels back the onion
[10:35:05] <ssi> configs/hostmot2/source/hostmot2.zip
[10:35:05] <ssi> :)
[10:35:36] <ssi> god they just keep coming
[10:35:36] <ssi> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pine64/pine-a64-first-15-64-bit-single-board-super-comput?ref=jellopcrowdfunding.com&utm_source=jellop&utm_medium=ocpm&utm_term=reg&utm_campaign=jellop&utm_content=pine7
[10:42:10] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/os1lVD7.jpg
[10:42:14] <ReadError> heh damn
[10:45:12] <ReadError> ahh maybe its just not in the project
[10:45:41] <cncbasher> Readerror:whats up ?
[10:46:04] <ReadError> cncbasher trying to make a bitfile for a 7i76e + 7i76
[10:46:08] <cncbasher> ise files are usually used on windows
[10:46:33] <cncbasher> on linux we tend to use an automated build
[10:47:01] <cncbasher> although you can pick up the ise files on linux too
[10:47:14] <cncbasher> what do you need ?
[10:47:46] <ReadError> think im getting somewhere
[10:48:11] <ReadError> the PIN_7I76E_51.vhd existed it just wasnt in the project file
[10:48:25] <ReadError> got it added now though
[10:48:30] <cncbasher> yea you have to add it to the library
[10:48:58] <cncbasher> are you using windows or linux ?
[10:49:10] <ReadError> need to fire up excel and figure out all the pins ill need I suppose
[10:49:28] <ReadError> I can use either or, I have ISE installed on linux currently
[10:50:48] <cncbasher> i'm just on sorting the 7i76 files and others
[10:51:46] <ReadError> https://i.imgur.com/aflEvOk.jpg
[10:52:10] <ReadError> imagine I need to replace the P1 block with the IO avail on the 7i76
[10:52:25] <ReadError> never messed with this stuff so kind of figuring it out as I go
[10:53:26] <ssi> fpga stuff is a different world :)
[10:53:58] <cncbasher> let me bring up a pin file 1 min
[10:54:39] <cncbasher> ok around line 110
[10:55:00] <cncbasher> are the pinouts for the 3 connectors
[10:55:10] <cncbasher> in 3 blocks
[10:55:55] <cncbasher> each block is a connector
[10:56:18] <cncbasher> the pins internally are io 1 - 50
[10:56:42] <cncbasher> then seperated out to blocks for each connector
[10:57:20] <ReadError> yea, I only have 1 expansion currently so I think I can just modify the outputs of P1
[10:57:24] <cncbasher> p1 is the second block
[10:57:32] <ReadError> input/output
[10:57:54] <cncbasher> if you see the notes to the right hand side
[10:58:35] <cncbasher> stepgens are numbered 0 -4 in this case
[10:58:50] <ReadError> ahhh yea I see now
[10:59:00] <cncbasher> as as the stepgens are prefixed to suit the board you should not need to touch them
[10:59:12] <ReadError> so since 0-4 are used on the base func, I would do 05-09
[10:59:17] <ReadError> on P1 if I needed
[10:59:21] <cncbasher> you have 2 pins per stepgen
[10:59:28] <cncbasher> step & dir
[10:59:45] <cncbasher> both as stepgen 0 for exapmple
[11:00:07] <cncbasher> all p1 pins are gpio
[11:00:27] <cncbasher> so thats pins 1 to 17
[11:00:56] <cncbasher> they are not listed in order so be careful there
[11:01:17] <cncbasher> what are you wanting to change or modify
[11:01:35] <ReadError> going to need to sit down I guess and first figure out all the pins ill need
[11:01:40] <ReadError> then go from there
[11:01:41] <cncbasher> qcounttag are the quad encoders
[11:02:09] <cncbasher> if it's just inputs and outputs then you dont need to change anything
[11:02:09] <ReadError> is there a list of functions/types anywhere?
[11:02:12] <pcw_home> there should already be a 7i76E+7I76 bitfile
[11:02:45] <cncbasher> why do you want to change the pins , is their a reason
[11:03:01] <ReadError> like alternatives to StepGenDirPin
[11:03:07] <cncbasher> hi(pcw)
[11:03:10] <ReadError> cncbasher: I am using servos on 2 axis
[11:03:28] <pcw_home> 7i76e_7i76x1D.bit
[11:03:30] <ReadError> which I will be using step/dir, but I need to map the encoder output
[11:03:41] <ReadError> input rather
[11:04:12] <cncbasher> that is all done in your hal config
[11:05:24] <cncbasher> if your servo's are step dir then you dont need to change anything
[11:05:45] <ReadError> cncbasher so I dont need to map the encoder's output to any pins on the FPGA?
[11:05:58] <cncbasher> no
[11:06:35] <cncbasher> the encoders are fixed
[11:07:10] <ReadError> pcw_home hmm I have the 5i25.zip but dont have that bi file
[11:07:24] <ReadError> bit file*, unless its in another zip within
[11:07:45] <cncbasher> your using a 7i76e ?
[11:08:24] <ReadError> yea, 7i76e + 7i76
[11:09:27] <FloppyDisk> encoders on a step/dir servo return to the servo.
[11:09:38] <pink_vampire> I need an idea how to make a din rail mount for the C10 without using a cnc..
[11:10:01] <FloppyDisk> what's a c10?
[11:10:04] <ssi> same way people have been making stuff for years :P
[11:10:46] <ReadError> FloppyDisk so are yous saying just let the servo driver handle that? it has a bunch of outputs
[11:10:48] <pink_vampire> and without tooo much effort..
[11:11:13] <FloppyDisk> REaderror: With controls, it's always what you want/need to do.
[11:11:23] <pink_vampire> maybe cardboard..
[11:11:25] <cncbasher> readerror:the encoders on a 7i76 are on page 9 of the handbook
[11:11:33] <FloppyDisk> Probably, you can let the servo driver handle the closed loop, will be easiest I would guess...
[11:11:54] <cncbasher> theirs only one encoder on a 7i76
[11:12:01] <FloppyDisk> Actually, I forget that w/ LCNC you could run step/dir and close a loop around a motor.
[11:12:28] <FloppyDisk> At least in the USA, that's not the norm, but not saying it's not right, just a different way to do it.
[11:12:49] <FloppyDisk> Anyway, to make it simple, close the loop w/ the servo drive and give it step and direction.
[11:13:06] <FloppyDisk> Then, monitor a fault output from the drive incase it faults.
[11:13:31] <ssi> we've talked about this before
[11:13:39] <ssi> it's doable but they don't tune like regular servos do
[11:13:46] <pcw_home> the 7I76e bitfiles are cleverly hidden in the 7I80.zip file
[11:13:58] <FloppyDisk> ssi: missed the discussion. I would agree about the tuning... It would be different.
[11:13:58] <pcw_home> 7i80.zip
[11:14:19] <ssi> FloppyDisk: if you think about it, steppers are just a special case of brushless servo
[11:14:22] <ReadError> thanks pcw_home
[11:14:47] <FloppyDisk> ssi: Yes. and closing the loop around them would be cool:-)
[11:15:00] <FloppyDisk> But, probably you don't need to.
[11:15:45] <ReadError> so zeeshan has been asking for a while
[11:15:56] <ReadError> but is there any reason to choose analog input when digital is available?
[11:16:10] <pcw_home> Sometimes step/dir+feedback works and sometimes it problematical because of delays in the position loop in the drive
[11:16:52] <pcw_home> usually because the analog input is a velocity input and the step/dir inputs are inputs to a position loop
[11:17:32] <ReadError> suppose for simiplicy I will just keep it step/dir and let the driver handle the PID stuff, should be the easiest thing to get going
[11:17:53] <pcw_home> so the analog input works better with feedback (as would a digital velocity command)
[11:18:34] <pcw_home> the difference between the configs is very small (just where the PID component gets it feedback)
[11:20:52] <pcw_home> (with open loop the PID feedback comes from the local step counter position, with closed loop i t comes from an encoder position )
[11:21:34] <pcw_home> one advantage of encoder feedback to LinuxCNC is that you can home on index
[11:22:32] <ReadError> for some reason I had in my head, linuxcnc would be able to determine any kind of positioning error and compensate
[11:22:43] <ReadError> but that seems to always be super small so probably no point
[11:23:19] <FloppyDisk> ReadError - that's the advantage of closed loop. But, if you size an open loop (stepper w/ out feedback or servo closed in the drive)
[11:23:23] <FloppyDisk> you shouldn't have much of an issue.
[11:23:29] <FloppyDisk> Oh - size correctly.
[11:24:00] <FloppyDisk> there's no doubt closed loop has advantages, but there are millions of processes that work everyday w/ open loop steppers (like your printer I think) that work fine.
[11:24:09] <ReadError> FloppyDisk yea, messing around with the software the error was at most 2-3 (out of 8192) after moves
[11:24:20] <DaViruz> modern printers actually use servos usually
[11:24:33] <DaViruz> some with linear encoders
[11:24:49] <FloppyDisk> DaViruz: that's a virus in my printer:-) I stand corrected.
[11:24:51] <ReadError> and that would change just by lightly touching the shaft, maybe able to fix that messing with the drivers PID stuff but 2-3 is pretty acceptable
[11:25:00] <ReadError> for what im doing anyways
[11:25:05] <archivist> our printer mid 1980's used a servo and opto strip
[11:25:38] <cncbasher> Readerror: all depends on what the machine is and what you expect of it , in some cases steppers can outperform and of course a cost difference
[11:25:42] <DaViruz> oh. but even cheap consumer inkjets have them now adays
[11:26:23] <archivist> it was one of the early inkjets canon A1210
[11:26:40] <ReadError> cncbasher its for a pick-and-place, migrating away from steppers and smoothie
[11:26:41] <pcw_home> battery toy motor and film encoder strip...
[11:27:48] <pcw_home> allows very accurate inkjet timing relative to position
[11:27:53] <archivist> I was somewhat surprised at the cmm having L298s driving the servo motors
[11:28:13] <pcw_home> not doable with a (low cost) open loop system
[11:28:49] <archivist> our timing varied a bit due to the speed bars spaced far apart
[11:29:24] <archivist> the pin firing lines on the opto were not used for the loop
[11:29:33] <FloppyDisk> pcw_home: didn't know about the printer motor/setup. Always thought stepper... I'll look at that more closely.
[11:29:40] <archivist> accelerate, coast
[11:31:08] <pcw_home> paper feed is usually stepper
[11:31:51] <pcw_home> carriage has always been DC motor/ film strip encoder on ones I've seen
[11:33:06] <FloppyDisk> So I'm 1/2 right:-)
[11:39:15] <cncbasher> the encoder strip soon wipes off too
[11:44:47] <DaViruz> FloppyDisk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMcTFUJYMGI
[11:44:59] <DaViruz> he shows it in pretty good detail
[11:49:20] <FloppyDisk> thanks - I had a printer like that. Gotta run - late. Will watch it tonight:-)
[11:52:25] <DaViruz> i don't see much use for inkjet printers. if you use them a lot the ink is just ridiculously expesnive, and if you only use them occasinoally the ink nozzles are always clogged up
[11:52:26] <malcom2073> Photo qualtiy prints
[11:52:26] <DaViruz> i believe the clogging issue has become a lot better since i last had on though, cirka 1997-ish
[11:52:26] <malcom2073> laser is superior in almost every other way, that and *initial* cost of ownership
[11:52:26] <DaViruz> everyone i know who has a inkjet printer don't really use them for photo prints though
[11:52:32] <DaViruz> just for basic home office use
[11:53:17] <malcom2073> A lot of people are lulled in by the initial cost of ownership thing
[11:53:20] <DaViruz> yeah
[11:53:42] <ssi> color lasers make better photo prints than cheap inkjets
[11:53:52] <ssi> the only use for inkjets is dedicated photo printers, which are expensive
[11:53:55] <malcom2073> ssi: 10 years ago they didn't, and people have long memories :P
[11:54:05] <ssi> 10 years ago they absolutely did
[11:55:03] <ssi> they just cost more than $150
[11:55:03] <malcom2073> Heh
[11:55:03] <malcom2073> consumer level I mean
[11:55:03] <malcom2073> So less than $500 :P
[11:55:03] <ssi> now lasers are incrementally more expensive than inkjets
[11:55:03] <ssi> I bought my first color laser in 2001 for $400
[11:55:03] <ssi> and my second in like 2005 for $300
[11:55:03] <ssi> I bought one recently for $179
[11:55:04] <jdh> inkjets suck
[11:55:05] <ssi> you've been able to get an inkjet for $100 the whole time
[11:55:18] <ssi> but $100 buys you less and less every year :)
[11:55:22] <jdh> no redeeming qualities
[11:55:37] <ssi> nowadays a $100 inkjet is a $15 printer wrapped around a $85 ink cartridge
[11:56:12] <ssi> inkjets were amazing in the mid 90s when we all had dot matrix printers
[11:56:15] <archivist> it comes with a an already empty cartridge
[11:56:23] <ssi> archivist: yeah that too
[11:56:46] <ssi> somehow inkjet ink is the most expensive substance on earth by weight
[11:57:46] <malcom2073> in their defense, inks in general follow suit
[11:57:54] <ssi> I take it back
[11:57:58] <ssi> scorpion venom is far more expensive
[11:59:16] <ssi> lol consumer reports say that most inkjets put less than half the ink on paper
[11:59:20] <ssi> and some as little as 20-30%
[11:59:28] <ssi> the rest goes into cleaning heads and calibrating
[11:59:37] <archivist> most ends up the the waste section
[12:00:12] <_methods> hahah at the brother xmas party
[12:00:19] <archivist> the soakaway is a huge area in some designs
[12:09:19] <archivist> should I complain, wot no probe
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151932290502 , it's the mirror I want
[12:10:09] <Jymmm> bidding ended
[12:10:19] <archivist> I won it
[12:10:26] <Jymmm> oh, heh
[12:10:57] <archivist> I keep quiet unless I know I cannot afford
[12:12:07] <Jymmm> Looks like you REALLY wanted it, what 40 pound bid?
[12:12:40] <archivist> nah a pound would have beaten me
[12:12:52] <Jymmm> ah
[12:13:15] <archivist> he had it on as a buy it now for a while
[12:15:01] <Jymmm> Well, you got it now =)
[12:16:19] <ssi> lol
[12:16:31] <archivist> impossible for me to afford the bit to go with it
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272090957302
[12:17:05] <Jymmm> archivist: MAKE OFFER worse thing he'll do is laugh at ya
[12:17:47] <archivist> the make offer has a built in minimum so they done see the low ball ones
[12:18:13] <Jymmm> heh
[12:18:47] <Jymmm> archivist: Well, cheap just a cheap bastard, not a super cheap bastard ;)
[12:19:00] <Jymmm> Bah
[12:19:13] <Jymmm> archivist: Well, just be a cheap bastard, not a super cheap bastard ;)
[12:19:32] <ssi> archivist: that thing is defective
[12:19:41] <ssi> it's +0.23 arcseconds out of square
[12:20:16] <archivist> neary snuff
[12:20:43] <archivist> somewhat better than I can make
[12:21:47] <archivist> all the optical squares are going for lots of money on ebay
[12:22:31] <CaptHindsight> what's wrong with selling ink at $3k/L that only costs $5/L to make?
[12:23:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Not a high enough profit margin?
[12:23:38] <ssi> CaptHindsight: eventually they might run out of suckers
[12:23:39] <ssi> I mean customers
[12:23:45] <ssi> probably not though :P
[12:24:16] <CaptHindsight> and SSI is correct, most often when your inkjet prints start to have dropouts it's not due to the ink physically running out
[12:24:33] <CaptHindsight> it's just software making it look that way
[12:24:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Just buy the hack chip off ebay like everyone else
[12:29:16] <Jymmm> looks like amazon has them too now.
[12:29:17] <CaptHindsight> actually toner costs more to make than aqueous ink
[12:29:17] <CaptHindsight> toner is 100% solids
[12:29:17] <CaptHindsight> ink is ~1%
[12:29:17] <CaptHindsight> it's mostly water
[12:29:17] <Jymmm> BUt but but how else are they going to pay for that excellent india tech support ???
[12:29:17] <CaptHindsight> how may I help you please?
[12:29:26] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmD_8cBqhW0
[12:29:39] <CaptHindsight> toner is just powdered thermoplastic, similar to powder coatings
[12:30:46] <CaptHindsight> could be worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXww8aizAM
[12:33:11] <CaptHindsight> ssi: do you use toner or the wax color lasers?
[12:35:13] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELQoVSc_XzU
[12:36:15] <ssi> toner
[12:36:25] <os1r1s> Servos are in ...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7etbtgolry26914/millstuff1.jpg and vise are in
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w0tr13wwrez8cee/millstuff2.jpg !!!!!
[12:36:41] <DaViruz> i have a color waxjet somewhere
[12:36:44] <DaViruz> pretty odd thing
[12:36:56] <DaViruz> you feed it solid chunks of wax which it melts and jets on paper
[12:37:05] <ssi> re wax printers: "The only problem is that the printer costs $20,000.
[12:37:20] <DaViruz> and that they need to be constantly powered on
[12:37:25] <DaViruz> with the wax melted
[12:37:30] <DaViruz> pretty expensive
[12:37:52] <Jymmm> xerox was giving those away fro a while, you just had to sign a contract that you would buy so many wax cubes over n number of years
[12:37:58] <DaViruz> mine wastes about a half block of wax of each color if you power cycle it
[12:38:08] <ssi> damn
[12:38:10] <CaptHindsight> they are actually inkjet
[12:38:21] <ssi> waxjet
[12:38:47] <DaViruz> the wacy surface prints are pretty nice though
[12:38:49] <CaptHindsight> you can convert them to a 3d printer
[12:38:50] <DaViruz> waxy
[12:39:01] <DaViruz> CaptHindsight: oh?
[12:39:04] <DaViruz> has it been done?
[12:39:05] <archivist> early ones were centrifugal force wax throwers iirc
[12:39:56] <CaptHindsight> you just need to get the prints to go back past the heads for each layer
[12:40:35] <DaViruz> sounds non trivial
[12:40:49] <CaptHindsight> archivist: there are some newer inkjet deigns for higher viscosity fluids that work that way
[12:40:50] <DaViruz> and i'm not sure how well it would handle undercuts
[12:42:34] <CaptHindsight> DaViruz: the wax needs supports in that situation
[12:43:15] <CaptHindsight> say a water soluble support that is also jetted
[12:43:32] <DaViruz> also.. i'm not sure how useful the actual prints will be :)
[12:43:38] <DaViruz> maybe for lost wax casting
[12:45:26] <CaptHindsight> what! wax Yodas
[12:45:44] <DaViruz> in any color as long as it's bright CMYK
[12:45:58] <DaViruz> i guess it could print in color..
[12:46:17] <CaptHindsight> and you're not limited to just wax
[12:46:52] <CaptHindsight> if you add a UV light to cure, it can jet photopolymers
[12:47:51] <Jymmm> Heh, 600W/inch UV lightbulb =)
[12:48:10] <CaptHindsight> they use an interesting printhead originally deigned by Tektronics that works at >100C
[12:49:25] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: nah, actually can be <1W/inch^2
[12:50:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I used to work with 600W/in UV curing systems. One time a blower went offline, and it melted the 3/8" aluminum reflector =)
[12:51:36] <CaptHindsight> yeah, lamps are not too efficient
[12:52:52] <Jymmm> Fuck effeciant, these were installed on high speed dragon printing presses - the kind that take up a 1/4 mile long factory.
[12:55:31] <CaptHindsight> actual printing, sounded more like UC cured coatings or paint on products
[12:55:39] <CaptHindsight> UC/UV
[12:55:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: this sorta thing...
http://www.plastemart.com/Upload/Ecamp/polygraph/orion-2000-series-t-10-14.png
[12:56:36] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I design inkets like that
[13:19:42] <Sync> Jymmm: usually they use UV lasers now
[16:35:32] <Deejay> gn8
[16:37:26] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks howsitgoin?
[16:38:38] <FloppyDisk> I think its meditation time...
[16:38:49] <FloppyDisk> But, good.
[16:38:59] <PetefromTn_> you have a meditation time?
[16:39:13] <FloppyDisk> No, the irc has one, been quiet for a bit, which is okay.
[16:39:37] <rob_h> we all worn out form the week
[16:39:40] <rob_h> from
[16:40:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too
[17:04:54] <thepirate> hi by any chance are u familiar with parrot seccurity
[17:07:50] <Simonious> (The board won't be sandwiched) The bolt will be on the other side of the board, through the TO220 and into the lug/bar (.0602" thick PCB)
[17:07:57] <Simonious> so I'm working on a board layout and I've got some TO220s near the edge of the board like this. There will be holes through the board and the TO220s will be bolted down - my question is: is there a standard for the minimum distance between the edge (or center) of such a hole to the board edge? It should be well supported between the TO220 and the lug - currently I'm going with .07"
http://oi63.tinypic.com/33pcvx4.jpg
[17:32:54] <Tom_itx> Simonious, your part library should have a silkscreen outline you can use as a guide
[17:33:23] <Tom_itx> also you want enough board & copper to disapate the heat
[17:36:53] <JT-Shop-> dang I need to take inventory :( before I forget
[17:38:55] <Tom_itx> careful, you may uncover something you lost last year
[17:39:11] * Simonious ponders
[17:39:11] <zeeshan> ggggggggggggggggggdddddddddddddddddddgfdg
[17:39:16] <zeeshan> l
[17:39:21] <zeeshan> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''/;;;;;
[17:39:28] <Simonious> Tom_itx: I've got the heat managed
[17:39:34] * Tom_itx thinks zeeshan has flipped his lid
[17:40:08] <Tom_itx> Simonious, the silkscreen will tell you if you're too close to the edge
[17:40:26] <Tom_itx> run a drc and erc on the layout
[17:40:40] <Simonious> Tom_itx: I'll look into the silkscreen. I don't know what drc and erc are. :)
[17:41:19] <Tom_itx> design rule check, electrical rule check
[17:42:29] <Tom_itx> any cad package worth it's salt will let you test fit things
[17:43:44] <Simonious> ahh, well it fits.. I'm wondering if there is a reasonably minimum amount of PCB a guy leaves in this sort of setup, the amount of metal between the hole and the edge of the tab on the TO220 is very small, I thought maybe a bad idea to go that small on the PCB, so was thinking about spacing it in a bit from the edge of the board.
[17:43:50] <Simonious> *reasonable
[17:44:36] <Tom_itx> are you soldering the heatsinks too?
[17:44:44] <Simonious> no
[17:44:55] <Tom_itx> consider board flex
[17:45:11] <Tom_itx> and how that affects heat disapation
[17:45:29] * JT-Shop- rewires the BP again
[17:45:34] <Simonious> well the TO220 is bolted right to the heat sink..
[17:45:40] <Tom_itx> they're probably ok but i'd move them in a tad myself
[17:45:59] <Tom_itx> heatsinks are on the back of the board?
[17:46:10] <Simonious> yeah did that, but there is still only .07" of PCB there...
[17:46:19] <Simonious> heatsinks are on the same side as the FETs
[17:46:51] <Tom_itx> not sure how that works the way you have them against the board
[17:47:08] <Simonious> well true, not as good, but the tab still carries the heat.
[17:47:16] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop-, you keep that up you'll run outta wire
[17:47:44] <Tom_itx> Simonious, the hot spot would be near the center of the plastic package
[17:47:53] * Simonious nods
[17:48:01] <Tom_itx> the tab will carry the heat, but fast enough?
[17:48:17] <Simonious> Worst case sceneario for all four I'll need to unload 9 watts
[17:48:29] <Tom_itx> oh
[17:49:49] <Simonious> so.. think .07" of PCB is reasonable in this setup?
[17:50:15] <JT-Shop-> or get it to work lol
[17:51:48] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop-, the filter didn't help?
[17:56:40] <JT-Shop> well hard to tell I did about 3 things at once
[18:00:08] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: PM
[18:00:25] <Tom_itx> got it
[18:01:34] <toastydeath> i'm writing my first job description for a new hire
[18:01:41] <toastydeath> i'm going with brutally honest
[18:03:46] <XXCoder> "knows how to push button"
[18:52:48] <zeeshan> damn cat
[18:52:51] <zeeshan> walking on my keyboard
[18:53:10] <XXCoder> heh I recall there is windows program to detect that and stop keypresses
[18:53:13] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Arnajui.png
[18:53:17] <zeeshan> what do you guys think of my logo
[18:53:28] <zeeshan> :P
[18:53:31] <XXCoder> what do you sell
[18:53:40] <zeeshan> sex
[18:53:45] <zeeshan> but tell me seriously
[18:53:48] <zeeshan> is it simple
[18:53:50] <zeeshan> and colors ok?
[18:54:15] <XXCoder> well, sometimes it depends on product but besides bit jagged looks ojk
[18:54:23] <XXCoder> might be hard to print
[18:55:23] <zeeshan> if you invert it and print it black and white
[18:55:25] <zeeshan> it seems to be ok
[18:55:30] <zeeshan> i like it with the color
[19:00:41] <zeeshan> XXCoder: you should see the math function i wrote to get that
[19:00:46] <zeeshan> im such a nerd :P
[19:02:30] <XXCoder> heh what is it
[19:03:23] <zeeshan> qx=qx+((2060252056184010627333069952785*(-1)^(m + 1)*pi^3*n*sin(pi*n*y)*cos(2*pi*m*x))/(1237940039285380274899124224*(4*m^2 + n^2)^2) + (2060252056184010627333069952785*(-1)^(m + 1)*pi^3*m^2*sin(pi*n*y)*cos(2*pi*m*x))/(309485009821345068724781056*n*(4*m^2 + n^2)^2));
[19:03:43] <XXCoder> dang
[19:03:57] <zeeshan> from the membrane equations you get a displacement function
[19:04:02] <zeeshan> from that you can find the force distribution
[19:04:06] <zeeshan> shear force
[19:04:08] <zeeshan> :D
[19:05:12] * JT-Shop just homed the BP with NO sserial errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:05:17] <andypugh> Those are very large constant terms. Why are they all *(-1) ?
[19:05:28] <zeeshan> nice jt!
[19:05:34] <XXCoder> negative vlues I guess
[19:06:04] <JT-Shop> turned out AB servo wiring best practices was the best info
[19:06:08] <zeeshan> andypugh: -1^m is a good way to get alternating + / - values
[19:06:08] <zeeshan> like
[19:06:22] <zeeshan> x + y - 2x + 3y - 2x etc
[19:06:29] <zeeshan> that was a bad example
[19:06:44] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: what do you think did it?
[19:07:23] <JT-Shop> I followed the AB servo best wiring practices and took all the ground antennas out of my cabinet
[19:07:42] <JT-Shop> short story ground as close to break out as possible
[19:07:45] <andypugh> Ah, I wasn’t sure of operator precedence.
[19:08:19] <zeeshan> and that is me being dumb with the large constant values
[19:08:35] <zeeshan> im sure it would be fine with 5 terms
[19:09:03] <JT-Shop> so with that giant step I'll call it a night
[19:09:09] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[19:09:39] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Changes in Hardware, Firmware, Software, Vapourware or Plasmaware?
[19:10:08] <JT-Shop> grounding
[19:10:25] <AndChat|323049> Wow, nice jtshop
[19:10:29] <JT-Shop> removed all the ground antennas and grounded all the shielded cables near the end
[19:10:36] <roycroft> heh
[19:10:39] <roycroft> i've been grounding today too
[19:10:48] <andypugh> Hardware? Best fix
[19:10:58] <roycroft> it must be a good day to get grounded
[19:11:09] <JT-Shop> or short grounded
[19:11:17] <andypugh> I was wondering aboue fixing the software. I am not sure if anyone else is working on that
[19:11:22] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you neee a tool coming down on the surface of your logo
[19:11:22] <roycroft> i've been grounding fiber optic cables, though
[19:11:34] <Tom_itx> preferrably a ballnose
[19:11:49] <JT-Shop> anyway I'm heading in now
[19:11:53] <andypugh> How do you ground fibre? Impedence matched black-body?
[19:12:00] <AndChat|323049> Which end? Cabinet end
[19:12:01] <roycroft> the cables are shielded
[19:12:04] <roycroft> i ground the shield
[19:12:14] <roycroft> they're double shielded, actually
[19:12:19] <andypugh> Why?
[19:13:05] <roycroft> because when the backhoe locates the fiber and starts pulling on the conduit that it's in, the shielding sometimes keeps it from being damaged before the backhoe operator realises what he's done
[19:13:12] <AndChat|323049> I thought pcw said niches was going to work on the error checking, but I suppose there was no confirmation on that
[19:13:31] <roycroft> and also because if the fiber cables themselves are armored, there's no need to pull tracer wire through the conduit for locates
[19:13:33] <andypugh> Clearly there are things about fibre optics that my PhD in fibre optics from a long, loing, time ago didn’t include.
[19:13:35] <AndChat|323049> Ops, micges
[19:13:47] <roycroft> i install outside plant fiber
[19:13:51] <roycroft> not patch cables inside data centers
[19:14:09] <roycroft> did you take the course on using a backhoe for utility locates?
[19:15:03] <andypugh> I don’t see how grounded armour can stop the backhoe. But I can see how it might warn the two ends that bad stuff was happening.
[19:15:11] <roycroft> it doesn't stop it
[19:15:37] <roycroft> but when the operator starts digging and snags the conduit, he usually figures out what's happening before pulling it all the way out
[19:15:49] <roycroft> the armor makes the cable stronger, so it can get tugged on a bit without damaging the fiber
[19:16:01] <andypugh> How is that grounding?
[19:16:09] <roycroft> that's not grounding
[19:16:18] <roycroft> but we tie the armors together
[19:16:30] <roycroft> and then we can hook a utility locator on the armor at the head end
[19:16:44] <andypugh> Ah, OK, that part makes sense
[19:16:45] <roycroft> corning recommends we ground the armors at the head end as well
[19:16:49] <roycroft> so we ground them all
[19:16:55] <roycroft> then the locators come out
[19:17:06] <roycroft> they disconnect the ground on the cable they're going to locate
[19:17:22] <roycroft> hook the tone generator onto the disconnected cable
[19:17:25] <roycroft> and go out and do their thing
[19:17:27] <andypugh> I would suggest wiring the armout to 400V to persuade the backhoe guy to backhoe-off
[19:17:42] <roycroft> well we do have another issue
[19:17:48] <roycroft> tweaker-proofing our fiber plant
[19:17:57] <roycroft> tweakers cannot tell the difference between fiber and copper
[19:18:21] <andypugh> “tweakers” ?
[19:18:26] <roycroft> tweakers being people on methamphedamines, in case you use a different term in the uk
[19:18:36] <roycroft> i think the term you use is "glaswegians"
[19:18:38] <roycroft> :)
[19:19:03] <andypugh> In the context of cable theft it tends to be “pikeys”
[19:19:08] <roycroft> around here they steal copper to pay for meth
[19:19:33] <roycroft> several have killed themselves trying to steal active high voltage power cables
[19:19:46] <roycroft> but they will cut up fiber cables too, and then get mad that it's not copper
[19:19:48] <andypugh> I can only see that as a good thing
[19:19:58] <roycroft> yes, to the high voltage stuff
[19:20:02] <roycroft> darwin in action
[19:20:29] <roycroft> i had a cunning plan to install fiber vaults with false bottoms
[19:20:35] <roycroft> put the fiber under the false bottom
[19:20:41] <roycroft> and toss some sacrificial copper on top
[19:20:51] <roycroft> that was too expensive
[19:20:55] <andypugh> Frankly anyone who will steal £20 of cable and leave hundreds without telephone service is someone society does not want.
[19:21:27] <roycroft> so i got my vault manufacturer to make some vault doors that have recessed hasps that i can put padlocks on
[19:21:59] <roycroft> and there are covers on the recessed hasps that i screw down with an odd-size torx screw that hardly anyone can remove
[19:22:07] <roycroft> i think it's torx-33 or something like that
[19:22:13] <roycroft> it's a very unusual size
[19:22:14] <andypugh> Where I used to live (actually a posher area than where I am now someone stole the phone cables _and_ the road drain covers
[19:22:31] <roycroft> plus there are the standard (around here) pentagonal head bolts holding the doors down
[19:22:42] <Frank__> hello guys
[19:23:15] <Frank__> i have some news on my cnc router! today i have the steel home after the machining
[19:23:18] <roycroft> so tweakers have to 1, remove the 5-sided bolt (they never have the socket, so they spend hours with a screwdriver pushing on the things), 2. figure out how to get that odd size torxx screw out (it also has a pin in the center), and 3, cut the padlock off before they can get the vault open
[19:23:25] <Frank__> i still have to do all the holes... :/
[19:23:44] <andypugh> I wouldn’t advocate the death penaltly for what they do (or for anything) but when they do kill themselves doing it, I feel no sadness at all.
[19:23:47] <roycroft> in reality what they do is move a few meters over and open up a telco vault that's not secured at all and cut their cable out
[19:24:21] <andypugh> Or, steal a car and drive it into the box?
[19:24:29] <roycroft> in the 8 years that my municipal fiber ring has been installed there's been at least a couple dozen cases where telco cable right next to my fiber was vandalized/stolen and my stuff was not touched
[19:24:35] <roycroft> they're underground vaults
[19:25:26] <Frank__> can i make a little question? after stress relief and machining when i got to clean the surface of the stelel i can scrap of with a file a kind of protection the steel has
[19:25:46] <Frank__> how can i take it off easily? scraping with the file is tedious and leaves marks
[19:26:25] <roycroft> start with hot rolled instead of cold rolled steel and then not worry about it? :)
[19:26:37] <roycroft> and then put it in a blasting cabinet after you finish machining
[19:26:46] <Frank__> its hot rolled steel
[19:26:52] <Frank__> (if ur talking to me hahaha)
[19:27:00] <roycroft> oh, there shouldn't be much stress to relieve then unless you stress it
[19:27:22] <roycroft> a lot of folks think that cold rolled steel is "better" than hot rolled because it looks prettier at the steel yard
[19:27:33] <roycroft> then they to machine it and complain
[19:27:41] <andypugh> Frank__: There is a film after machining, or after stress relieving?
[19:27:50] <Frank__> nono i already got it stress relieved but there is a thin film on the non machined steel
[19:28:06] <Frank__> that when i scrap it with a file pops
[19:28:16] <roycroft> what kind of finish do you need on it?
[19:28:21] <Frank__> i think its the crust that protects it?
[19:28:25] <Frank__> nothing special
[19:28:29] <roycroft> that's not to "protect" it
[19:28:31] <andypugh> Oxide, or a protective layer applies by the stress relivers?
[19:28:32] <Frank__> just cleaning the oxide
[19:28:48] <DaViruz> mill scale?
[19:28:52] <Frank__> i think so
[19:28:57] <roycroft> yeah, i think that's what he's talking about
[19:28:58] <Frank__> but now its more flimsy
[19:29:12] <roycroft> and seriously, if the parts are not too big, a blasting cabinet is perfect for that
[19:29:17] <andypugh> What material?
[19:29:25] <roycroft> toss some aluminium oxide in and shoot it with that
[19:29:30] <Frank__> but i see it too on the parts i scraped with the grinder and welded
[19:29:31] <Frank__> thats wired
[19:29:39] <Frank__> i think its from the stress relief process
[19:29:45] <andypugh> Is it a pretty blue colour?
[19:30:14] <Frank__> yes its really big haha
[19:30:16] <Frank__> 300 kg
[19:30:20] <roycroft> oh
[19:30:29] <Frank__> idk the color i see it black from the oil and dirt
[19:30:32] <roycroft> that's a lot of file work!
[19:30:57] <roycroft> so build a tent around the part
[19:31:14] <roycroft> and get one of those portable media blasters
[19:31:19] <roycroft> put on a body suit and respirator
[19:31:22] <Frank__> i have a 110-120 psi max compreessor is that enough?
[19:31:23] <roycroft> and blast it off
[19:31:33] <Frank__> isnt there another way, easyer?
[19:31:39] <roycroft> depends on how many cubic feet per minute
[19:31:42] <DaViruz> how perfect do you need it?
[19:31:45] <Frank__> i will put 2 coats of rust removal paint
[19:31:45] <roycroft> a media blaster uses a *lot* of air
[19:31:47] <andypugh> Is there an option to stress-relieve in an inert atmosphere?
[19:32:05] <DaViruz> i'd say rotary steel brush
[19:32:18] <roycroft> yeah, but even that's a lot of work on a 300kg part
[19:32:33] <DaViruz> i recently did a tractor.
[19:32:36] <roycroft> it's not as messy as media blasting outside of a cabinet though
[19:32:46] <Frank__> yes
[19:33:10] <DaViruz> took me and a friend about 3 hours, probably a lot more surface than your part
[19:33:15] <DaViruz> and a lot more details
[19:33:16] <andypugh> Frank__: I am still _very_ vague on what the problem is. But perhaps a variant of:
http://www.surfox.com
[19:33:18] <roycroft> i have a bunch of 4" grinders with wire knot wheels on the for that purpose
[19:33:25] <Frank__> i will upload a photo
[19:33:28] <Frank__> give me a sec
[19:33:49] <roycroft> i dedicate a grinder for each metal i'm going to grind on
[19:33:57] <DaViruz> andypugh: what's the liquid used in those?
[19:34:19] <DaViruz> i was once working at a place where they used one with very poor ventilation (i was installing the ventilation actually)
[19:34:24] <DaViruz> had a terrible nose bleed afterwards
[19:34:25] <andypugh> <thinks> If I was selling a weld polisher, my web page would feature a much prettier weld than that one
[19:34:40] <DaViruz> which i never have usually
[19:35:23] <andypugh> I don’t think I have ever had a nose-bleed not related to my nose hitting something really quite hard.
[19:35:40] <DaViruz> the time before that was probably in a car crash
[19:35:56] <Frank__> http://imgur.com/6ejUNc6
[19:35:59] <Frank__> what do u think
[19:36:04] <Frank__> sohuld i paint over it?
[19:36:09] <DaViruz> and that wasn't a very violent one, just the airbag slowing down my nose
[19:37:16] <andypugh> Frank__: My advice is worth about half what you are paying for it, but I wouldn’t want to just paint that
[19:37:53] <Frank__> i dont get u andy
[19:37:54] <Frank__> sorryt
[19:37:56] <Frank__> ahaha
[19:38:35] <andypugh> But, I would ask a paint supplier. There might be an etch primer that works, or they might know that that sort of oxidation has good adhesion.
[19:39:02] <Frank__> ok, got u
[19:39:04] <Frank__> thanks andy
[19:39:33] <andypugh> I guess you are using a commercial heat-treater?
[19:39:47] <Frank__> its a company
[19:39:53] <Frank__> the stress relief has already been done
[19:39:56] <andypugh> You could ask them about inert (or possibly reducing) atmosphere.
[19:40:46] <roycroft> interesting
[19:41:04] <roycroft> i was just looking at that surfox thing, thinking it might be useful for brewing gear
[19:41:13] <roycroft> but they say it's not food-rated
[19:41:29] <DaViruz> it seems most of those systems use phosphoric acid
[19:42:13] <roycroft> which is not only commonly used with brewing gear, it's commonly used to adjust the pH of beer wort
[19:42:30] <roycroft> but it would have to be food grade phosphoric acid
[19:43:00] <roycroft> and their product may be food grade
[19:43:04] <roycroft> but not tested for that
[19:43:45] <DaViruz> from what i've seen it works very well though
[19:44:51] <DaViruz> in my case though i need the oxide to stay there to hide my crappy welds.. :)
[19:44:51] <andypugh> You can buy food-grade Phosphoric Acid. It’s sold labelled “Coca Cola"
[19:45:54] <roycroft> my ss welder does decent work
[19:45:58] <roycroft> http://www.zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/HLT/img_0767.jpeg
[19:46:00] <DaViruz> if you don't mind the part being all sticky and smelly afterwards
[19:46:23] <andypugh> You can wash it off with beer ;-)
[19:46:38] <roycroft> you can see the inside welds here
[19:46:40] <roycroft> http://www.zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/HLT/img_0772.jpeg
[19:46:43] <DaViruz> oh, i didn't realize there was an reflection
[19:46:50] <DaViruz> i thought "what an odd butt joint"
[19:47:59] <roycroft> he flushes with argon on both sides of the metal while welding
[19:48:11] <andypugh> roycroft: There is something very wrong with your brewing vat there.
[19:48:17] <roycroft> what?
[19:48:22] <andypugh> It’s empty
[19:48:23] <roycroft> being not full of delicious beer?
[19:48:25] <roycroft> yeah
[19:49:08] <roycroft> http://www.zymurgasm.com/NewBrewSystem/BrewDay2/IMG_1014.JPG
[19:49:12] <roycroft> there's the whole system
[19:49:20] <roycroft> the middle vessel is the mash tun, and it's full
[19:49:31] <roycroft> you can see the wort recirculating in the sight glass to the left of the mash tun
[19:49:57] <roycroft> i was making something similar to timothy taylor landlord that day
[19:50:14] <roycroft> hence the light-colored wort
[19:50:26] <roycroft> for those of you not in the uk, landlord is a bitter
[19:50:37] <roycroft> but it uses scottish malt instead of english malt
[19:51:34] <andypugh> Landord is nice
[19:51:46] <roycroft> i've never had it because they don't ship it overseas
[19:51:58] <roycroft> but i've read heaps of reviews of it, and i think i've captured it fairly well
[19:52:01] <andypugh> Ship yourself. I’ll buy
[19:52:30] <roycroft> it's a nicely balanced bitter, but since it uses scottish malt it's a little sweeter and less biscuity than a standard english bitter
[19:53:13] <roycroft> i've brewed this three times now, and i think i have my recipe dialed in pretty well
[19:53:30] <roycroft> all i know is that i like it and everyone who has tasted it thinks it's delicious
[19:53:52] <roycroft> and when i bring two kegs of beer to an event, one of them being the landlordish thing, that one always blows first
[19:53:57] <roycroft> way before the other one, no matter what the other one is
[19:54:35] <roycroft> you're in the midlands, andypugh?
[19:55:09] <andypugh> I live in the South. I am from what we call The North, despite The North being in the middle
[19:55:15] <roycroft> oh
[19:55:23] <roycroft> somehow i thought you were farther north
[19:55:33] <roycroft> i'm trying to put together a trip to scotland in the not-too-distant future
[19:55:34] <andypugh> I reckon that proper beer is brewed in a Yorkshire Square
[19:55:41] <roycroft> for a brewery/distillery tour
[19:56:53] <roycroft> i wouldn't mind popping down as far as yorkshire, but i don't think i'd want to go too much further south
[19:56:57] <roycroft> unless i have a lot of time
[19:56:59] <andypugh> I am from Yorkshire, which is considered part of the North of England, though there are other counties further North, and then Scotland is about as much again on top of that
[19:57:19] <roycroft> i wasn't even planning on getting down to the borders
[19:57:48] <andypugh> Some great beers come from the Midlands. Burton on Trent is very much Midlands
[19:58:33] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewers_of_Burton
[19:58:47] <roycroft> i anticipate a big loop from greenock/glasgow to edinburgh, up the coast to aberdeen, inverness, through the western highlands, and then catching the isle of skye and islay
[19:58:56] <roycroft> yes, burton beer is quite famous
[19:59:07] <roycroft> the water there is somewhat hard and sulphurous
[19:59:21] <roycroft> it brings out hop bitterness and flavor in an interesting way
[19:59:36] <andypugh> Indeed, and is done artificially
[19:59:37] <roycroft> we add "burton salts" to some english style beers, especially ipas, to try to replicate that
[19:59:47] <roycroft> my water is almost perfect for brewing
[19:59:50] <DaViruz> our water is also quite hard at the moment. it's freaking -40 celsius in some parts..
[19:59:54] <roycroft> very soft, pure glacier-fed water
[20:00:12] <roycroft> it's even softer than the water in plzen
[20:00:18] <roycroft> so i can make almost any beer with it
[20:00:28] <roycroft> it's a lot easier to add hardness than to remove it
[20:01:47] <andypugh> Bits of Glasgow and Greenock are a bit rough, but I guess you are in the US, so will scoff at what I consider rough, in that you are very unlikely to get shot or otherwise killed. You might find the locals less then polite, though.
[20:01:47] <roycroft> i should, while i'm on my trip, head down to yorkshire for some scrumpy
[20:02:01] <roycroft> i anticipate that
[20:02:17] <roycroft> and i anticipate being careful what parts of those cities to visit
[20:02:22] <roycroft> but i grew up in chicago
[20:02:38] <roycroft> the safe neighborhood boundaries are quite well defined there
[20:02:59] <roycroft> being one block off could mean the difference between being quite safe and in deep peril
[20:03:15] <andypugh> No Scrumpy on Yorkshire. That’s a Deep South drink, Dorset, Somerset etc. Also lovely parts of the world, and worth a visit
[20:03:31] <roycroft> i though there was yorkshire scrumpy as well
[20:03:36] <roycroft> i know they do a lot of that in the southwest
[20:03:44] <FloppyDisk> Wondering if any Siemen's pro's might have an idea for the amount I should sell this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321968155303
[20:03:56] <roycroft> but you would know much better than i
[20:04:01] <roycroft> so i shall demur
[20:04:11] <andypugh> You should bear in mind that the UK is tiny. You can easily visit every corner.
[20:04:11] <FloppyDisk> REc'd an offer for $125, but seems low, could be wrong...
[20:04:16] <roycroft> yes
[20:04:24] <roycroft> scotland is the size of western oregon
[20:04:31] <roycroft> and has the same population as western oregon
[20:04:43] <FloppyDisk> roycroft????
[20:04:47] <roycroft> i think the whole of great britain is about the size of california
[20:04:52] <andypugh> If you come this far, then go to Ireland too.
[20:05:19] <roycroft> i did change planes in heathrow once, back in the '70s
[20:05:27] <roycroft> so it's not like i've never been to the uk at all
[20:05:32] <roycroft> but i don't think airports really count
[20:05:48] <andypugh> No, they are technicall in international waters
[20:06:03] <roycroft> as edward snowden found out
[20:07:47] <roycroft> i think i'd probably visit wales before ireland
[20:07:53] <roycroft> not that i have anything against ireland
[20:08:01] <roycroft> actually a trip dedicated to ireland would be nice
[20:08:14] <roycroft> see, i do have this problem
[20:08:22] <roycroft> i'm really big on history and tradition and local culture
[20:08:37] <andypugh> I like Wales, it is very scenic. I like Ireland more.
[20:08:38] <roycroft> and the british isles are quite full of all of that stuff
[20:08:49] <roycroft> so i'd want to spend a lot of time everywhere i go
[20:09:15] <roycroft> even though it's a relatively small place, i could easily spend a year or two there just getting around
[20:09:49] <roycroft> or should i say multiple summers?
[20:09:59] <roycroft> i'm not sure i'd want to go to scotland in the winter
[20:10:35] <andypugh> I keep meaning to.
[20:10:45] <roycroft> on the other hand
[20:10:53] <andypugh> It looks nice with snow. And they have skiing
[20:10:56] <roycroft> with 80 or so distilleries to visit, winter might not be so bad
[20:11:23] <roycroft> as one of my favorite musicians says "whisky is like a sweater that you wear on the inside"
[20:11:45] <roycroft> except i think he's talking about whiskey, not whisky
[20:11:49] <roycroft> but the point remains
[20:12:08] <andypugh> You should visit Yorkshite though. It is widely considered[1] to be the most scenic county, and to have lots of great beers.
[20:12:13] <roycroft> i'd like to
[20:12:21] <andypugh> [1] Admittedly by Yorkshiremen
[20:12:43] <roycroft> and there's a *lot* of early history that happened in northumbria
[20:12:44] <andypugh> I just noticed my horrible typo...
[20:13:10] <roycroft> plus folks there have have that quaint parochial yorkshire dialect :)
[20:13:27] <andypugh> Ooh, yes. You can actually go to Lindisfarne for example.
[20:14:41] <roycroft> i need to head off to market now
[20:14:46] <roycroft> it's almost time to make dinner
[20:15:15] <roycroft> should my plans for the uk trip become more defnitive, i'll definitely chat with you some more about yorkshire
[20:15:31] <roycroft> it is the part of england that i'd most want to visit
[20:15:57] <andypugh> Yes, mine too. I miss it.
[20:16:20] <andypugh> I haven’t been there since Christmas
[20:45:53] <andypugh> This is hilarous. If you find hilarity in the same things as me. And you might not.
http://callenblogi.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/bf-interpreter-in-g-code.html?showComment=1452305868596#c2956241162453214588
[20:46:31] <andypugh> Or, better,
http://callenblogi.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/bf-interpreter-in-g-code.html
[20:48:20] <andypugh> if you have not heard of BF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
[21:24:57] <bobo_> PetefromTn sorry to hear you did not win the lotto.
[21:27:22] <bobo_> just another $400million slipped thru your hands ,i guess
[21:29:12] <PetefromTn_> Hell they are just keeping it warm for me and I hear they are adding a few mil
[21:30:11] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ My PM25MV just got here!!!!
[21:30:18] <bobo_> few = $400 mill added
[21:30:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah thats chump change
[21:30:41] <PetefromTn_> os1r1s congrats man
[21:30:45] <jdh> did you buy a ticket?
[21:30:55] <PetefromTn_> not yet LOL
[21:31:03] <bobo_> total = $800million
[21:31:05] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ You can't win the lottery. I bought tickets so I'll win :P
[21:31:29] <PetefromTn_> naah they are holding it for me we have an agreement ;)
[21:33:20] <PetefromTn_> man I gotta get my azz out in the shop this weekend and get some more work done on my CNC lathe
[21:33:28] <os1r1s> What's the best thing to clean the cosmoline/grease off the mill with?
[21:33:39] <jdh> kerosene and brushes
[21:33:51] <jdh> wd40 works pretty good though
[21:34:09] <os1r1s> Might just use that. Isn't wd40 basically kerosene?
[21:34:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah kersene works pretty good
[21:34:37] <roycroft> i use mineral spirits to remove cosmoline
[21:34:48] <roycroft> cheaper than wd40
[21:35:14] <os1r1s> roycroft I might have some ms handy
[21:36:07] <roycroft> give it a go
[21:36:22] <PetefromTn_> sheeit
[21:37:22] <bobo_> PetefromTn_ think about selling Tat carts (vers hot dog carts) ,mayby get rights to zeeshans logo for a new style tat
[21:38:26] <PetefromTn_> man it is amazing to me how many times you say something and I don't know what the hell you are talking about ;)
[21:39:26] <bobo_> have you ever heard about making hot dog carts
[21:39:40] <bobo_> sell hot dogs
[21:40:22] <PetefromTn_> I have no interest in either A making hot dog carts or B selling hot dogs but thanks for the suggestion hehe
[21:41:20] <bobo_> but for something new , make tat carts
[21:41:39] <PetefromTn_> WTF is a tat?
[21:41:55] <roycroft> it's something you trade for a tit
[21:42:15] <PetefromTn_> you're playing games with me aren't ya smartypants
[21:43:12] <bobo_> tattoo
[21:44:02] <PetefromTn_> who in their right mind would pay someone at a kart to put needles into them repetitively?
[21:44:08] <roycroft> really?
[21:44:15] <roycroft> i was just making that up, of course
[21:44:19] <roycroft> but it's true
[21:44:22] <jdh> there are drunk frat boys all over the place
[21:44:26] <roycroft> a lot of women trade sex for tattoos
[21:44:42] <PetefromTn_> no shit....jeez I need a tattoo gun now
[21:44:55] <jdh> dx has them
[21:45:05] <roycroft> you can get them on ebay
[21:45:07] <PetefromTn_> I am actually sorta artistic
[21:45:15] <PetefromTn_> sorta
[21:45:19] <jdh> http://www.dx.com/p/d193-beginner-1-gun-tattoo-complete-kit-97002#.VpB8jvk4Fpg
[21:45:43] <roycroft> but are you artistic enough for sex?
[21:45:56] <roycroft> well, that's a yes, of course
[21:46:01] <roycroft> the more important question is:
[21:46:08] <PetefromTn_> hell I'll wing it
[21:46:10] <roycroft> would you want the kind of sex you could get with your artistry?
[21:47:12] <jdh> http://www.dx.com/p/stainless-steel-tattoo-body-piercing-gun-pliers-tool-kit-silver-319997#.VpB8_Pk4Fpg
[21:47:15] <roycroft> now the level of artistry does not necessarily have to be that high
[21:47:17] <jdh> you can do piercing too
[21:47:28] <PetefromTn_> have you seen some of the tats people have?
[21:47:34] <roycroft> if you live near a hipster enclave you could offer "retro prison" tattoos to the hiptster girls
[21:47:47] <jdh> how hard is it to draw a fake chinese symbol
[21:47:54] <roycroft> but tennessee is pretty far from portlandia
[21:48:11] <jdh> all univ. towns have hipster enclaves
[21:48:26] <roycroft> there you go
[21:48:39] <PetefromTn_> there's tons of idio...I mean hipsters around UT campus
[21:48:56] <roycroft> are you willing to don a man bun for the tattooing/nookie session?
[21:49:11] <PetefromTn_> I don't have the mane man sorry
[21:49:20] <jdh> I saw a pretty hot chick in florida with a browning logo on her butt
[21:49:29] <roycroft> i'm sure you can get a man bun implant
[21:49:53] <PetefromTn_> sure but why would you want to hehehe
[21:50:16] <roycroft> for the hipster chick nookoie
[21:50:17] <PetefromTn_> watching the movie the rundown...I love this movie it's hilarious
[21:50:18] <roycroft> nookie
[21:50:32] <roycroft> i'm trying to help shift the equation in your favor
[21:50:53] <PetefromTn_> my wife is all the crazy nookie I will ever need man heh
[21:51:18] <roycroft> so there's no point to the tat cart
[21:51:37] <roycroft> ergo no point to this discussion
[21:51:40] <PetefromTn_> it wasn't my idea ;)
[21:52:16] <PetefromTn_> but it was amusing enough
[21:54:04] <jdh> wow, looks like all sorts of redneck chicks have browning tattoos
[21:54:59] <andypugh> What is a browning tattoo?
[21:55:48] <jdh> outline of a deer, browning firearms logo
[21:55:57] <bobo_> Pete just trying to give you a new business/manfg idea and get zeeshans new logo into the public eye
[21:56:57] <andypugh> Ah, I thought it was something to do with sun exposure and turning brown or not.
[21:57:32] <andypugh> Capitalisation would have helped.
[21:59:06] <jdh> geez... never search for tattoo images
[21:59:46] <roycroft> but how many chicks have brown & sharpe tattoos?
[21:59:56] <roycroft> those are the ones you want
[22:00:02] <jdh> that might be better
[22:00:06] <bobo_> Iron on tattoos
[22:00:08] <jdh> but, I'm not searching
[22:00:40] <bobo_> Ox Tool tattoo
[22:01:25] <roycroft> except the brown & sharpe tat chick might be obsessed with measuring your unit
[22:01:43] <roycroft> if you're feeling good about that, great
[22:01:47] <jdh> it's probably not NIST traceable
[22:02:15] <roycroft> just make sure she understands the concept of shrinkage and does not try to perform any metrology right after swimming
[22:04:04] <roycroft> just remember what your mom taught you: wait 30 minutes after eating before going swimming, and wait 30 minutes after swimming before doing any metrology
[22:04:51] <zeeshan> anyone here do plate rolling ?
[22:04:53] <bobo_> but i have ADD
[22:05:12] <roycroft> then the answer is simple, bobo_: never swim
[22:05:22] <roycroft> metrology after eating is probably fine
[22:06:35] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nc6gb5im23rl6kw/OUTER-SHELL.PDF?dl=0
[22:06:55] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bh8dwp1or7lfeyq/LED-CURVE-PLATE.PDF?dl=0
[22:07:02] <zeeshan> those 2
[22:08:31] <bobo_> zeeshan can PetefromTn tattoo your new logo on his Tat cart customers ?
[22:10:35] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you need a ballnose cutter on your logo
[22:10:52] <andypugh> zeeshan: Machine from solid?
[22:11:20] <zeeshan> hehe tom
[22:11:30] <zeeshan> andypugh: no machining neede
[22:11:33] <zeeshan> only need the rolling done
[22:12:00] <Tom_itx> without it, it just looks like some new fangled drug ad
[22:12:25] <Tom_itx> less the middle age chick
[22:12:35] <zeeshan> what
[22:13:18] <andypugh> zeeshan: it’s one of those hard-to-draw things, isn;t it?
[22:13:40] <zeeshan> its annoying yes :P
[22:13:54] <zeeshan> i love solidworks
[22:14:02] <zeeshan> curve driven sketches
[22:14:12] <zeeshan> if you notice in the outershell pdf, the holes follow the curve
[22:14:20] <zeeshan> pain in the ass in inventor
[22:14:23] <andypugh> So, a circular plate bent in one plane, and a rim to match?
[22:14:28] <zeeshan> yes
[22:14:47] <bobo_> zeeshan that item #2 could be done via a english wheel
[22:14:59] <zeeshan> http://a360.co/1S73oWr
[22:15:04] <zeeshan> theres the 3d model if interested
[22:16:18] <andypugh> Hmm
[22:16:43] <andypugh> What does it do?
[22:16:54] <Tom_itx> it's top secret
[22:17:07] <zeeshan> top secret
[22:17:07] <zeeshan> lol
[22:17:43] <zeeshan> andypugh: making the curves is ok
[22:17:53] <zeeshan> but making so that the subcomponents are parametric is hard
[22:18:05] <zeeshan> and this model really needed to be parametric because he changed the design a few times
[22:18:15] <zeeshan> it went from a dome top
[22:18:19] <zeeshan> to cylindrical
[22:18:25] <zeeshan> annoying :P
[22:18:52] <andypugh> A360 says it is 2 minutes and 10.5 seconds diameter
[22:19:27] <bobo_> looks like a project for ripping off a starving artist
[22:19:49] <zeeshan> andypugh: i dont really trust it
[22:19:56] <zeeshan> its great for showing off the 3d model to people though
[22:20:04] <zeeshan> cause its easier to undeerstand than just drawings
[22:20:22] <andypugh> Yes, it made it a lot clearer to me
[22:20:56] <andypugh> Does 2’ mean two feet? I feel I ought to know that, but I am not sure.
[22:21:04] <zeeshan> yea
[22:22:43] <zeeshan> i tried to think if i could do it
[22:22:45] <zeeshan> but i dont think i can
[22:22:50] <zeeshan> cause its too thick
[22:22:55] <zeeshan> it needs a proper roller
[22:23:12] <andypugh> Is it a hollw shape?
[22:23:29] <zeeshan> "led mtg plate" is a 1/4" 6061
[22:23:32] <zeeshan> 6.35mm
[22:23:55] <zeeshan> the very top cover is polycarbonate
[22:24:02] <zeeshan> im going to try to make that by heating the aluminum plate
[22:24:09] <zeeshan> which has been curved already
[22:24:12] <zeeshan> and try to form it around it :p
[22:24:17] <zeeshan> i dont know how well it'd work, but it might..
[22:24:22] <zeeshan> using torches and stuff
[22:24:48] <bobo_> try using a english wheel
[22:24:52] <zeeshan> i dont have
[22:25:10] <zeeshan> i figured since i gotta get that big plate rolled
[22:25:14] <zeeshan> might as well get them both
[22:25:25] <zeeshan> then i can trim them on the mill
[22:25:40] <andypugh> Buy one of these.
[22:25:41] <andypugh> https://www.grizzly.com/products/30-Combination-3-in-1-Sheet-Metal-Machine/G4011
[22:26:01] <zeeshan> good for sheet metal
[22:26:09] <andypugh> I have one. I don’t use it much, but neither do I regret buying it
[22:26:26] <zeeshan> its a shear, roll and bender all in one?
[22:26:44] <andypugh> It would put the curve in, I think
[22:27:00] <Tom_itx> is it a compound curve or bowed in one direction?
[22:27:08] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you got the model
[22:27:09] <zeeshan> and drawing !
[22:27:11] <andypugh> Yes, you can’t see the rolls in the photo as they are under a cover
[22:27:41] <Tom_itx> press the plate around a wood form
[22:27:52] <andypugh> it is a fair roll, an OK press-brake and a poor shear.
[22:28:34] <zeeshan> man i dont understand why ive been plagued with curved ass fucking projects
[22:28:34] <andypugh> it will cut 1mm aluminium well, any thicker or steel, it isn’t comfortable.
[22:28:42] <zeeshan> like every time its some guy wanting some curvuture bullshit
[22:28:51] <zeeshan> =(
[22:29:13] <zeeshan> andypugh: i'd want something that handles at least 1/4" steel
[22:29:19] <zeeshan> i bet the machine would need to weight 10000lb
[22:29:23] <zeeshan> *weigh
[22:29:46] <zeeshan> http://www.kubesteel.com/html/contact.htm
[22:29:48] <zeeshan> i contacted these guys
[22:29:54] <zeeshan> they curve massive structural stuff
[22:29:58] <zeeshan> maybe they'll help me
[22:30:10] <bobo_> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Professional-English-Wheel/T27621
[22:30:10] <zeeshan> problem with a lot of big companies is they dont want to deal with dinky little projects
[22:30:18] <zeeshan> bobo its 1/4"
[22:30:21] <zeeshan> not sheet metal
[22:30:32] <andypugh> How many do you need?
[22:30:38] <zeeshan> 1 of each
[22:31:01] <andypugh> How much will he pay?
[22:31:13] <zeeshan> whatever it costs :P
[22:31:29] <zeeshan> something reasonable
[22:31:34] <bobo_> so ,it's not a one time thru process
[22:31:37] <zeeshan> i mean if rolling these two things costs more than 400$
[22:31:41] <zeeshan> then i think its too expensive
[22:31:55] <zeeshan> its not like theyre machining it or anything
[22:31:58] <andypugh> For a 1-of that multi thing will definitely put that much curve in 1/4 steel. It will take time. At the end, you have a new tool.
[22:32:50] <andypugh> Option B, CNC machine wood formers, put in a press, re-machine formers to account for spring.
[22:34:21] <andypugh> The company you looked at are too big. You just want a generic sheet metal shop that happens to have a set of rolls.
[22:34:34] <zeeshan> http://veriform.ca/photos/
[22:34:37] <zeeshan> i was looking at them
[22:34:40] <zeeshan> http://veriform.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Very-simple-but-large-diameter-ring-rolling-is-a-good-example-of-basic-rolling-we-can-offer.jpg
[22:34:50] <zeeshan> seem to do it
[22:35:39] <andypugh> Yes, though for them your job might be more a lunchtime bottle of booze job
[22:36:36] <zeeshan> you know part of business is finding the right suppliers
[22:36:45] <zeeshan> and never to give yoru sources
[22:36:55] <zeeshan> i go to a waterjet/laser cut plate
[22:37:00] <zeeshan> i found it after calling like 100+ plates
[22:37:14] <zeeshan> and getting put to shame by prolly 30 of those places :P
[22:37:26] <zeeshan> then getting some high quotes
[22:37:37] <zeeshan> 150, 200, 200+setup time, ...
[22:37:40] <zeeshan> 8.50$
[22:37:45] <zeeshan> :p
[22:37:57] <zeeshan> i found 3 places that were around the 8.50 - 15$ range
[22:39:36] <bobo_> zeeshan think about some place that does costom car restro
[22:39:45] <zeeshan> bobo not going to happen
[22:39:51] <zeeshan> they dont deal with heavy gauge
[22:40:16] <zeeshan> this type of work is really for people that fabricate boilers
[22:41:02] <bobo_> there is a place here that does
[22:41:16] <andypugh> 1/4” is not heavy gauge, really. It’s in the middle
[22:41:43] <archivist> boiler makers might lol at 1/4"
[22:43:19] <andypugh> I am fairly happy with the foundry my mate Ben found. This:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6237636975675370834 is this:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6230479127730875154
[22:43:40] <zeeshan> that is definitely very fair.
[22:43:46] <zeeshan> you obviously provided the molds right?
[22:43:50] <zeeshan> did you prepare the sand molds|
[22:43:51] <andypugh> Not cheap, but it is 8pkg of iron.
[22:44:40] <andypugh> No, he did all the moulding, I just provided patterns. (which he re-painted as my paint was too sticky)
[22:44:51] <zeeshan> thats a great deal
[22:45:05] <andypugh> (typo. 80kg of iron)
[22:46:02] <andypugh> One is now on the lathe.
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6237477947128358578
[22:47:42] <andypugh> The big one has been trial fitted:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6235326855443990946 which was a relief.
[22:48:27] <andypugh> zeeshan: Cast the part,,
[22:48:46] <zeeshan> my cast parts suck :P
[22:48:49] <bobo_> zeeshan what is your time frame for thost parts?
[22:48:54] <zeeshan> not in a ruch
[22:48:56] <zeeshan> 4 weeks?
[22:49:00] <zeeshan> rush
[22:49:04] <andypugh> I need to sleep
[22:49:06] <zeeshan> thats why i asked here if someone was setup to do it :P
[22:49:09] <zeeshan> gnite AndChat|323049
[22:49:11] <zeeshan> andypugh:
[22:49:13] <zeeshan> :P
[22:50:59] <bobo_> zeeshan if you are intested ,I can get you info of the place here
[22:51:16] <zeeshan> bobo_: prolly will be the same problem as here
[22:51:22] <zeeshan> lets see what happens on tuesday
[23:02:16] <bobo_> Zeeshan :look up Tubular Techniqeus Corp. Address: 3025 Scioto Darby Executive Ct, Hilliard, OH 43026 Phone:(614) 529-4130
[23:05:44] <bobo_> They have done one off stuff for me at a price that i could afford
[23:08:46] <bobo_> what makes you so special. bg
[23:26:35] <zeeshan> nice
[23:26:40] <CaptHindsight> $9500 for a 8" spin coater with a vacuum chuck
[23:26:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.brewerscience.com/spin-coaters
[23:27:29] <CaptHindsight> ~600W bldc motor
[23:29:51] <CaptHindsight> not as much markup as inkjet ink but quite a margin
[23:30:03] <zeeshan> r&d
[23:30:04] <zeeshan> support
[23:30:05] <zeeshan> etc
[23:30:11] <zeeshan> worth the price prolly for the people that need it
[23:30:25] <CaptHindsight> just unaware
[23:30:35] <CaptHindsight> spindle with speed controller
[23:30:55] <zeeshan> something so simple needs so much paperwork to meet cert
[23:30:59] <zeeshan> :P
[23:31:15] <CaptHindsight> nah, no certs
[23:31:27] <zeeshan> china prolly has it for $200
[23:31:30] <zeeshan> =]
[23:31:54] <CaptHindsight> but uses skate bearings :p
[23:32:07] <CaptHindsight> work for you long time
[23:32:16] <zeeshan> hehe
[23:33:26] <t12> evening
[23:33:46] <t12> new job is real crash course in metal issues
[23:33:57] <t12> vacuum copper coating tiny tiny tiny tungsten wire
[23:33:59] <t12> its hard!
