#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-01-07

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[00:50:00] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.banggood.com/1224V-Power-Socket-Splitter-with-Dual-USB-Charger-Power-Adapter-p-929733.html
[01:13:18] <Jymmm> There are no small parts, is this kid friendly? http://www.banggood.com/LK-240-Ratchet-Cable-Cutter-Cut-Up-To-240mm-Wire-Cutter-Plier-Hand-Tools-p-1005567.html
[01:56:23] <FloppyDisk> net spindle-vel-fb => motion.spindle-speed-in
[01:56:53] <FloppyDisk> setup using pncconf
[01:57:15] <FloppyDisk> questions is: spindle-vel-fb is 'not really anything' other than a name? Or do I have that wrong?
[01:57:35] <FloppyDisk> I'm trying to setup a spindle encoder and see that I should change that line:
[01:57:42] <FloppyDisk> #net spindle-vel-fb => motion.spindle-speed-in
[01:57:56] <FloppyDisk> to: net spindle-vel-fb-rps hm2_5i25.0.encoder.03.velocity motion.spindle-speed-in
[01:57:58] <archivist> its the name of a net
[01:58:24] <FloppyDisk> archivist: that's my question - it's a name of a net, but I only 'assign' one pin and not to anything else, I think????
[01:58:41] <archivist> you can make up any name, for understandable files make those names sensible/state what it does
[01:58:59] <FloppyDisk> In the case of the first line, motion.spindle-speed.in is assigned to spendle-vel-fb --> correct?
[01:59:12] <FloppyDisk> since that's the case, then I assign it to 'nothing...'
[01:59:30] <archivist> so you want an encoder output to drive that I assume
[01:59:33] <FloppyDisk> Well, not really nothing - sorry, but I don't do anything w/ it...
[01:59:40] <FloppyDisk> Ummm,
[02:00:18] <FloppyDisk> I want to setup rigid tapping and it appears there are a few pins to setup. Using 'tomes' files from the forum here:
[02:00:19] <FloppyDisk> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/10-advanced-configuration/29579-new-quadrature-encoder-index-questions
[02:00:42] <FloppyDisk> Doesn't look too bad, I'm just not the best Hal net/pin guy, but this is how you learn:-)
[02:00:51] <archivist> sure is
[02:01:41] <archivist> fun is turning the spindle by hand and watching the rest move in synch
[02:01:48] <FloppyDisk> I also think that's just a net name (spindle-vel-fb) and my pin is assigned to that. so, I should be good.
[02:02:10] <FloppyDisk> I have thought about the hand turning and am totally excited about that?? lol...
[02:02:13] <FloppyDisk> I'm easily amused.
[02:02:36] <FloppyDisk> Plus, it would be so cool to put that on halscope and see it.
[02:02:46] <FloppyDisk> just to do it.
[02:02:49] <archivist> I have done a couple of hobbing setups where there is variable gearing too
[02:03:22] <FloppyDisk> I'm a poor machinist, but hobbing as in gear cutting?
[02:03:54] <archivist> in that case we are ignoring motion and connecting the spindle encoder direct to the rotary
[02:04:15] <archivist> yes gear gutting
[02:04:19] <archivist> cutting
[02:04:37] <FloppyDisk> got it, seems confusing, but cool.
[02:05:43] <archivist> it is one of the wonders that we can connect up anything sensible
[02:06:29] <FloppyDisk> I agree, amazed at what others can do w/ lcnc. It's not always easy, but it is powerful.
[02:06:53] <FloppyDisk> And, really it mostly makes sense, just trying to figure it out.
[02:08:00] <archivist> I am just trying to get my head around the code to analyse gearing errors, I used linuxcnc to do the logging
[02:10:22] <FloppyDisk> sounds cool. gear cutting is a whole different deal. Hurts my head (which is easy to do).
[02:18:35] <archivist> gear milling just needs a rotary and simple gcode to rotate it in steps
[02:38:05] <Deejay> moin
[03:26:40] <enleth> jeez, USPS sure is slow
[03:27:02] <enleth> my Mesa order took 4 days to get from Richmond to SF according to tracking
[03:27:29] <archivist> I just had something "tracked" via ebays global shipping system
[03:28:13] <enleth> so now you know why they call it global shitting?
[03:30:36] <ReadError> im waiting in the holiday backlog still ;(
[03:31:24] <archivist> enleth, I had updates from ups then utter crap from ebay
[03:32:12] <archivist> out for delivery 3 days before it arrived
[03:36:46] <archivist> the last message really meant we have chucked it in the Yodel bin for them to deliver
[04:42:42] <XXCoder> boooo
[05:01:47] <XXCoder> lol happy meal indeed. http://www.cracked.com/phpimages/photoshop/5/2/0/490520_v1.jpg
[07:56:38] <Loetmichel> *hrhr* i just was at the fuel station... my car blinked the oil lamp on every decelleration... have put in 3 liters of oil. test pin now states "minimum"... that was "juuust in time" ;)
[07:58:22] <malcom2073> Heh, mine does that around hard right turns every couple of months if I forget to put more oil in it :P
[08:03:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: You're worse than a girl (I knew)! She blrw up not one but THREE cars because she didn't do/check oil changes
[08:06:31] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i should have refilled half a year ago when the OBC starts warning "check oil level" ;)
[08:06:43] <Jymmm> lol
[08:07:16] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Usually CHECK OIL LIGHT == You're PHUKED
[08:07:54] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: the light is "missing oil pressure"
[08:07:57] <malcom2073> That's the oil pressure light, the low oil light usually tiggers first
[08:08:12] <malcom2073> If you're lucky enough to have one, and just plain lucky heh
[08:08:26] <Loetmichel> the Onboard comp has its own sensor for level. it warns about half a liter below minimum
[08:09:07] <Loetmichel> malcom2073: it WAS the pressure light coming on ;)
[08:09:11] <malcom2073> Hah oops
[08:09:12] <Jymmm> I've never seen a level, just pressure due to low oil or malfiction
[08:09:20] <Loetmichel> ... the OBC is warning since last september
[08:10:07] <Loetmichel> asl long as the pressure losses are shorter than about a second it isnt a problem tho
[08:10:25] <Loetmichel> usually the oil film in the bearings can cover that time
[08:10:29] <Jymmm> lol, YES it is!
[08:11:05] <Loetmichel> especially when it only hallens while decellerating where the engine is on low load
[08:11:48] <Jymmm> Othe than when starting, low oil pressure is ALWAYS an issue
[08:12:36] <Jymmm> friction baby, friction, then grinding, then KaPOW
[08:13:16] <Loetmichel> Jymmm. thats what i just said: shorter than a second with no load is no problem because of still enough film in there-> no friction
[08:13:30] <Loetmichel> as soon as that film ruptures you run into prblems ;)
[08:13:38] <archivist> it is really called the cornering/braking light
[08:14:02] <Jymmm> lol
[08:14:29] <Jymmm> archivist: NAh, that's called a bigger pan and pump
[08:15:19] <Jymmm> 5qt to 5gal pan
[08:17:17] <tjtr33> hello, where are irc logs?
[08:17:27] <_methods> zlog
[08:17:39] <tjtr33> thx!
[08:18:25] <tjtr33> & thx tom-itx
[08:46:08] * JT-Shop notices that split fence wood made from cedar has the btu's of a popcorn fart
[08:46:54] <malcom2073> Speaking of farts, you need some gas booster: https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/1556480_10153881808837287_2078882910128849239_o.jpg
[08:47:02] <JT-Shop> it's sad that I have to use windoze to print an envelope
[09:00:19] <cradek> a long time ago I had a tex file set up that printed a certain envelope size for me, but I decided it was much less trouble to use a pen
[09:00:33] <tjtr33> openOffice/libreOffice ng for you?i read they work. I have no experience... & no printer
[09:00:34] <cradek> (all five or ten times a year I address an envelope)
[09:01:41] <archivist> I use open office and use aup an A4 sheet printing an address I sick onto whatever
[09:02:02] <JT-Shop> I print one/some almost every day to pay bills with
[09:04:31] <JT-Shop> which reminds me I still need to set up the printer on this computer...
[09:04:52] <Loetmichel> hmmm... today seems to be the "waited to long day"... cleaning the oven... just started the third can of NaOH-foam spray to clean it.... 5th run of foaming the oven, wait half an hour, wipe dry, refoam. ;) Now i start to see the original colour of the oven insides instead of layers of coal ;)
[09:05:21] <tjtr33> glabels? i used to use that with label sheets, its still in debian repo for wheezy (dang i did cassette labels with it too , its ooooold)
[09:05:54] <tjtr33> hint: once oven is clean, never use it again
[09:06:04] <JT-Shop> I'm using Linux Mint mostly
[09:10:20] <_methods> got some led bulbs to replace my flourescents in the garage to test out
[09:10:22] <_methods> incredible
[09:10:27] <_methods> got a 4' fixture
[09:10:35] <_methods> and it's 2x brighter than my 8' fixtures
[09:11:06] <_methods> need to replace them all now
[09:11:49] <archivist> I am finding the LEDs I am using a bit too contrasty, I want to try a strip one day
[09:12:47] <_methods> they are cheap enough now it's not bad to test diff ones out
[09:12:55] <_methods> the 4' bulbs are like $12
[09:13:55] <archivist> not seen anything that cheap over here, the locals a charging way too much
[09:14:07] <archivist> while they can :(
[09:14:54] <JT-Shop> I got a led flood light the other day it's way brighter than any incandescent bulb
[09:15:14] <_methods> yeah i picked up a led drop light at bottom of the harbor freight
[09:15:16] <_methods> works good
[09:16:05] <archivist> cheapest strip I have seen is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5M-300-LED-Strip-Light-3528-5050-5630-SMD-12V-LED-Flexible-Light-Waterproof-/151563603317
[09:16:09] * JT-Shop ponders if I want to drive 85 miles to get this https://semo.craigslist.org/hvd/5387312428.html
[09:18:07] <JT-Shop> or drive 15 minutes for this https://www.kingkutter.com/store-product.aspx?id=3348 at $200 more
[09:20:28] <malcom2073> What are you doing?
[09:20:50] <archivist> fuel cost
[09:21:53] <JT-Shop> mostly grading the driveway
[09:22:36] <JT-Shop> I have a 5' King Kutter box blade but it is too heavy for the Kubota and I can only use it on my 1956 Ferguson F40
[09:22:37] <archivist> a rake is a lot cheaper :)
[09:22:47] <needlessnavel> Hey guys, I know this channel is for Linux based CNC control but has anyone had any experience with CamSoft before?
[09:22:48] * archivist ducks
[09:22:54] <JT-Shop> I've been thinking of a rake too
[09:24:34] <JT-Shop> I may try a rake and when I unbury the Ferguson put the 5' on it
[09:26:38] <FinboySlick> How energy efficient are vfds typically?
[09:26:55] <FinboySlick> 5% loss?
[09:27:29] <archivist> mine have always been cool except during explosions :)
[09:27:58] <archivist> actually it was a braking resister that lit up
[09:31:03] <malcom2073> I think my vfd has input current and output current readouts, I should see what the difference is
[09:41:05] <_methods> is camsoft cambam?
[09:42:05] <archivist> I thought cambam is a small outfit
[09:42:15] <_methods> no idea
[09:42:25] <_methods> pete uses cambam though
[09:42:36] <ReadError> i cambam
[09:42:37] <ReadError> whats up
[09:43:15] <archivist> I think unrelated to the controller http://www.cnccontrols.com/
[09:43:42] <archivist> rofl Patent pending advanced technical features flood our CNC Professional system,
[09:44:18] <_methods> camsoft isn't cambam though i guess
[09:44:23] <_methods> i'd never heard of camsoft
[09:44:29] <_methods> their website is hawt
[09:44:40] <_methods> all they need is some cats
[09:44:51] <needlessnavel> its expensive and the software looks like it was made early 90's
[09:45:25] <archivist> linuxcnc is a "bit" cheaper
[09:45:36] <archivist> more up to date probably
[09:45:38] <needlessnavel> not to mention it isn't user friendly at all but a CNC conversion I am doing is using it.
[09:45:47] <Frank___2> hellooooooo long time no see
[09:46:02] <needlessnavel> customer baught it because of aggressive sales people pushing garbage on customers
[09:46:33] <ReadError> well doesnt mean you have to use it
[09:46:56] <archivist> find a fault :)
[09:46:57] <ReadError> buying a copy of win95 doesnt lock you in to that for life
[09:47:06] <needlessnavel> in this case it does sadly, it was just purchased
[09:47:19] <ReadError> so still within the refund window
[09:47:21] <ReadError> ;)
[09:47:52] <needlessnavel> they do not offer refunds lol, I am telling you this company really does a number on peopl
[09:48:08] <skunkworks> camsoft assumes you are buying their support for setup. Most likely.
[09:48:18] <needlessnavel> yes
[09:48:25] <ReadError> needlessnavel creditcard companies do tho
[09:49:11] <needlessnavel> thats the thing they do not accept credit cards, there customers have to send certified check or money transfer
[09:49:14] <needlessnavel> lmao
[09:49:25] <needlessnavel> they prob know their software is junk
[09:50:29] <needlessnavel> but now as a third party doing the install I am trying to make the customer happy but working with crap and limited support on servo drives old as dirt and unsupported, so I am shooting in the darke
[09:50:53] <archivist> you could sneak a linuxcnc setup on a second partition, then demonstrate advantages :)
[09:51:50] <needlessnavel> I was thinking about that actually the hardware is galil
[09:51:57] <ReadError> make them eat the loss and learn to consult before buying?
[09:53:35] <needlessnavel> my problem is I get the servos steady and then fire up there crap sofware and the servos start to creep on me, and there software will not tun the drives because they are rotating beyond tollerance
[09:56:45] <needlessnavel> I use Mach3 personally on a homemade conversion and have not had a single issue
[09:58:41] <needlessnavel> I just can't stand how these companies strong arm people into spending over a grand for software that feels and looks like I just installed windows 95, i mean when installing their are even cheap sound effect, one of whichs sounds like a phaser beam
[10:07:17] <tjtr33> camsoft has been at IMTS since back in the 90's. They are not fly by night. I've seen installs across the in mold shops and aerospace. they ran. i didnt use them busy fixin other equipment.
[10:07:44] <tjtr33> across the country
[10:10:31] <needlessnavel> Yea I knew that, the problem is they told this custom they've done this machine before only for me to find out they got the info from someone else and are a middle man, so I call them and they say well we've never done that machine before we aquired the info else where
[10:12:15] <tjtr33> never ever believe salesmen. (1st up against the wall when the revolution comes )
[10:12:35] <tjtr33> i spent my life making machines do what salesman claimed
[10:13:22] <needlessnavel> my issue is basically these 3 Yaskawa drives and adjusting them so they do not creep
[10:14:41] <needlessnavel> Camsoft advised me to wire the 24 volt DC to the amp enable pin on galil ICM-2900... ya thanks burned both ICM-2900 and motion card, so now I am waiting for a hopefull replacement
[10:15:25] <cradek> all velocity mode servos creep a bit when not under pid position control
[10:15:30] <tjtr33> outside of thier software... jumper the velocity command as in the yask manual, and tune out the drift. if they drift with the software, its configuration, really, camsoft doesnt build in evil drift just to annoy you. they might be annoying or stupid, but not evil.
[10:16:03] <tjtr33> internal pid on yaskawa.
[10:16:50] <needlessnavel> lol
[10:18:34] <tjtr33> good luck, you have some good hdwr.
[10:45:29] <CaptHindsight> salesmen are less than honest
[10:45:44] <CaptHindsight> "tjtr33> i spent my life making machines do what salesman claimed"
[10:49:02] <needlessnavel> lol, great quote right there
[10:59:22] <pink_vampire> http://www.gea.com/global/en/binaries/GEA-OmniControlPanel_1200x675px_tcm11-9357.jpg
[10:59:29] <pink_vampire> my goal^
[11:04:25] <FloppyDisk> nice...
[11:05:07] <needlessnavel> to make or buy?
[11:05:38] <pink_vampire> buy
[11:05:42] <needlessnavel> could prob, build that panel for a lot less
[11:06:11] <pink_vampire> ok.. to make..
[11:06:21] <FloppyDisk> If make, something like this to go in is a possibility... http://www.ebay.com/itm/131668155328
[11:06:52] <needlessnavel> just get yourself a nice customizable HMI screen
[11:07:17] <pink_vampire> needlessnavel: like what?
[11:07:51] <FloppyDisk> You're running lcnc - it IS customizable... Get a touchscreen monitor.
[11:07:51] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LILLIPUT-PC-1041-C-T-10-4-AIO-Industrial-Computer-800X600-5wire-touch-screen-PC-/371338535855?hash=item56758063af:g:IIsAAOSwrklVZ5~b
[11:08:05] <pink_vampire> this one look amazing
[11:09:35] <FloppyDisk> Lilliput - very nice...
[11:09:53] <malcom2073> Did lilliput ever get working linux drivers though?
[11:10:00] <FloppyDisk> except you could buy the elo and PC for about $400-ish... but more work.
[11:10:04] <pink_vampire> it's a good brand?
[11:10:05] <malcom2073> I have a couple of 7" lilliputs I could only ever get working in Windows
[11:10:33] <FloppyDisk> malcom2073: good point, you'd need it to do a latency test...
[11:10:45] <needlessnavel> check automation direct
[11:11:12] <malcom2073> It still baffles my mind that there isn't a single touchscreen that looks like a mouse to the OS
[11:11:19] <FloppyDisk> My experience has been the 'all-in-ones' are more expensive than a monitor and mini-itx motherboard.
[11:11:35] <pink_vampire> http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Operator_Interfaces/C-more_Touch_Panels/C-more_Touch_Panels_EA9_Series
[11:12:07] <FloppyDisk> malcom20173: I thought they did? What do I know? Do you mean in terms of a driver??
[11:12:17] <needlessnavel> thats them, then you program and customize the interface to whatever you like
[11:12:19] <Connor> FloppyDisk: Won't work. Mouse is relative, Touch Screen is absolute.
[11:12:57] <pink_vampire> but 2K$ for panel..
[11:13:02] <FloppyDisk> Connor: Hmmm, so something to watch out for.
[11:13:34] <Connor> Drive would be more akin to a Digitizer or Walcom pad
[11:13:35] <Roguish> Linux is not too good with touch screens. Be careful what brand you choose.
[11:13:39] <Connor> Driver.
[11:13:53] <Connor> You can't go wrong with ELO
[11:14:11] <Roguish> each distro has different calibration schemes. PITA
[11:14:14] <Connor> you might have to invert one or both the axis though.
[11:14:27] <Connor> I did at least.
[11:14:30] <Roguish> ELO is generally ok.
[11:14:48] <pink_vampire> the hmi is just a regular pc?
[11:14:51] <CaptHindsight> we played with the Acer multitouch panels, unfortunately how the drivers and desktop are tweaked by the distro greatly effects how they operate
[11:15:10] <Roguish> TOUCHY is a pretty decent linuxcnc interface, and can be customized.
[11:15:38] <Roguish> or you can always write your own.....
[11:15:48] <FloppyDisk> HMI is generic for the screen you press. could be monitor (w/ touchscreen) or a built in computer or one of htose autodirect
[11:15:52] <needlessnavel> no HMI is independant, you program them for the task you want to do or monitor and then they just run, but some you can access via web page for remote monitoring
[11:15:54] <FloppyDisk> items w/ pre-programmed software.
[11:16:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009610 and similar
[11:16:20] <pink_vampire> also HMI. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Upgrade1200W-1-2K-HMI-Fresnel-Light-Ballast-Bulb-Aluminum-Case-Lamp-AS-kit-/301036609828?hash=item46172e2124:g:TEwAAOxyTjNSoZ3x
[11:16:23] <FloppyDisk> Since you're probably running linuxcnc, your HMI software will be Axis, touchy, whatever you choose from LCNC.
[11:16:27] <Roguish> that's nice, big !!
[11:16:58] <CaptHindsight> Roguish: customers would still get frustrated and add a mouse :)
[11:17:06] <CaptHindsight> or key board
[11:17:26] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: there is no serial...
[11:17:28] <Roguish> depends on the packaging. maybe you don't let them.
[11:17:46] <Roguish> but I like a rat and keyboard also.
[11:17:59] <Roguish> old fashioned
[11:18:25] <Roguish> gimme a punch card reader and I'm in hog heaven.
[11:19:10] <Jymmm> Roguish: Too good for you, you get ticker tape instead!
[11:19:31] <Roguish> had that once upon a time too.
[11:20:35] <Jymmm> Fine, colorado tape backup for you!
[11:20:51] <Jymmm> eeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeee
[11:21:25] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Is that your impression of Mini-me sliding down an air-duct?
[11:29:42] <CaptHindsight> http://kenhoward.com/files/Image/cereal%20port.jpg cereal port
[11:33:13] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: No, it's the sound of one of these http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/1DoAAOxy4dNSsMNu/$_35.JPG
[11:34:19] <Jymmm> whic for some odd reason nobody has a recording of the sound it used to make
[11:34:46] <CaptHindsight> we really don't want the reminder
[11:35:34] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: How many temp probes did you need, 2?
[11:36:41] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: don't need any right now
[11:36:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: via ethernet that is
[11:38:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0xlPBp6hGA found it
[11:38:46] <Sync> zeeshan: do you have experience with carbide wear properties?
[11:39:54] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni0l1kPlYQU Computer Chronicles - Hard Disk Storage (1985)
[11:40:07] <archivist> Sync, some insert makers publish lifetimes of the cutting edge
[11:41:14] <Sync> I'm not really looking at insert lifetimes
[11:42:01] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Close, that's DAT though. But lets go back.... back in time... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCBxNhEzIfc
[11:43:11] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: that looks like one of the Soviet portable music players ~1983
[11:43:24] <Sync> archivist: I'm just looking at scraper blades under the microscope
[11:43:32] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: =)
[11:43:32] <Sync> and I am trying to understand what I'm seeing
[11:45:13] <archivist> Sync, ah, some materials books would have various images for types of wear and fracture
[11:45:20] <malcom2073> Jymmm: That's awesome, the vacuume loading
[11:45:42] <Jymmm> malcom2073: It sucks dude!
[11:47:05] <archivist> Sync, any pictures?
[11:47:07] <Jymmm> Circa 1970's
[11:47:13] <malcom2073> Man, designing that stuff must've been a ton of fun
[11:47:28] <Sync> not yet archivist
[11:47:49] <Loetmichel> sooo... senth round of oven cleaning done: finally clean, no carbon residue left... THAT was a grind.. :-(
[11:48:42] <archivist> Sync, I would not be surprised if you get shell shape bits missing
[11:48:49] <needlessnavel> wow, I didn't think you were still cleaning. I would have started 30 other projects by now
[11:49:01] <Loetmichel> seventh
[11:49:01] <Sync> I'll try yoloing the pictures with my phone, can't be assed to get the dslr mounted
[11:49:12] <needlessnavel> and none would be near done!
[11:49:35] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I love old machines like that
[11:49:58] <archivist> Sync, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conchoidal_fracture
[11:50:09] <Jymmm> malcom2073: You should goto the computer museum in Mnt View, you'll love it
[11:50:22] <malcom2073> I don't make it out there very often heh, but I probably would
[11:50:43] <needlessnavel> did you guys ever see the coffee tables made from old large HD platters
[11:50:54] <Jymmm> malcom2073: http://www.computerhistory.org/
[11:51:33] <archivist> one of the computer museums had a nice job advert except for the must know outlook and other m$ stuff
[11:51:44] <malcom2073> heh
[11:51:50] <Jymmm> archivist: dont ya hate that?!
[11:52:08] <archivist> Allen owns the museum
[11:53:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.computerhistory.org/exhibits/babbage/ has anyone made a mechanical computer control a machine?
[11:54:00] <CaptHindsight> I guess the punchcard might be considered that since they were originally used to control weaving machines
[11:54:02] <cradek> I've used a mechanical computer to do the division necessary to cut threads on a lathe
[11:55:13] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: you could call a weaving machine a "mechanical computer controlled machine"
[11:55:17] <Loetmichel> i worked on one
[11:55:21] <Loetmichel> dun stuff
[11:55:23] <Loetmichel> fun
[11:55:30] <archivist> I suppose I have cut gears in the same manner :)
[11:55:41] <archivist> helical ones at that
[11:55:58] <cradek> mine had a special divide-by-127 function that would let it cut metric threads too
[11:56:03] <Loetmichel> the "punchcards" were 0,5mm plywood tho... and sewed to a zigzag stack
[11:56:37] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwozgRPLVC8 Jacquard Loom: Early Computer Programing
[11:56:59] <archivist> the hobbing machine has a differential to sum the feed in to the angle
[11:58:12] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: EXACTLY like these cards, yes
[11:58:21] <archivist> buggers to "program"
[11:58:30] <Loetmichel> but the machine itself was made of cast iron
[11:58:31] <Loetmichel> not wood
[11:58:44] <Sync> blah my phone sucks
[12:00:02] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRgdaknJCg Babbage Difference Engine in Motion
[12:00:03] <Loetmichel> archivist: the factory owner had a CNC "mill" and a special software to "punch" those cards ;)
[12:00:41] <Sync> almost every modern CAD/CAM has a punch card reader ;)
[12:01:19] <Loetmichel> Sync: i said: "writer" and not exactly cards but thin airplane grade plywood
[12:01:55] <CaptHindsight> impressive precision for 1847
[12:01:57] <Sync> sure, but I'm referring to NASTRAN
[12:02:04] <Loetmichel> a bit anachronistic to do the punchcards for a 100++ years old "webstuhl" on a cnc mill but who cares as long as it works?
[12:02:45] <CaptHindsight> well designed in 1847, fabricated later
[12:02:50] <Loetmichel> he made these fire brigade and police badges that are sewed onto the uniforms
[12:05:07] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/projects/schaben/usededge_bf_1.jpg http://sync-hv.de/projects/schaben/newedge_bf_1.jpg archivist
[12:06:25] <archivist> Sync, looks a bit like brittle fracture on the last image
[12:07:50] <Loetmichel> Sync: hmm , does a scraper use a tungsten carbide blade normally? that is "sharpened" to a 90° edge?
[12:08:00] <Frank__> hey people any news about mesa cards deliverys? specifically, the delays
[12:08:09] <Loetmichel> where do these "dark" patches come from?
[12:08:32] <CaptHindsight> Sync: are those artifacts from an archaeological dig site?
[12:08:36] <archivist> on the edge are parts chipped off
[12:10:10] <Sync> Loetmichel: negative 5°
[12:10:37] <Sync> archivist: the last picture is the sharp edge
[12:10:56] <archivist> sharp or worn
[12:10:56] <Sync> you can see that there are very minor edge defects
[12:11:08] <Sync> it is sharp
[12:11:22] <Sync> the other picture shows the worn side after lapping
[12:11:29] <Sync> (the first one)
[12:11:40] <Sync> it seems that the impacts somehow weaken the matrix
[12:11:52] <Sync> and when you lap the edge the pieces break out
[12:12:29] <Sync> but you can clearly see when it is worn under the microscope
[12:12:35] <Sync> the corner radius is significantly larger
[12:12:36] <archivist> already cracked probably
[12:12:40] <Sync> yeah
[12:12:55] <Sync> but that means that you have to shave a good 5/100mm off the edge to get to virgin carbide
[12:13:25] <Sync> Loetmichel: yes, they use tungsten carbide, otherwise you would be sharpening it all the time
[12:13:28] <archivist> I can imagine you would have to take a lot off each time
[12:14:04] <Sync> I need to get me a confocal microscope so I can actually get 3D images of the things
[12:14:12] <archivist> I know my steel scrapers dont last long at all
[12:14:52] <SpeedEvil> On a related topic.
[12:14:54] <Sync> the carbide is pretty fine grained
[12:15:04] <Sync> I gotta get the SEM fired up and do some XPS
[12:15:05] <SpeedEvil> Is there a nice automated method of measuring the sharpness of an edge?
[12:15:06] <archivist> or adjust lighting to get better images
[12:15:07] <SpeedEvil> ^cheap
[12:15:25] <FloppyDisk> NOISE question... I'm hooking up a 5vdc, single-ended encoder for my mill. the cable has a shield, it'll be floating on the motor side (has to be based on design).
[12:15:25] <SpeedEvil> i'm wondering about a knife-holder with an automated sharpener.
[12:15:37] <Sync> well, the lightning is plenty good enough, my phone just does not like messing with high contrast
[12:15:47] <FloppyDisk> do I hook up shield wire to 0vdc of the 5vdc or to chassis?
[12:16:00] <FloppyDisk> I'm afraid to do either way, but what would be the right way to do it?
[12:16:14] <FloppyDisk> I have the sserial errors w/ the 5i25/7i77 and don't want to add to that if I can help it.
[12:16:34] <archivist> chassis or not at all as the chassis is grounding it at the encoder end
[12:16:49] <FloppyDisk> Should've said encoder for spindle motor on the back of the motor.
[12:17:09] <Sync> the problem is also that I'm imaging in brightfield
[12:17:12] <FloppyDisk> I'm using an AMS 5040 board that is NOT grounded to chasis on the encoder end.
[12:17:21] <Sync> so that the fractures appear dark
[12:17:49] <archivist> wants a side illumination
[12:17:52] <FloppyDisk> I have a 3d printed plastic box/holder and the coupling is magnetic! So, my cable, I think can only be grounded on the mesa/control side.
[12:18:01] <FloppyDisk> I'll try it a bit and see what happens:-)
[12:21:32] <Sync> darkfield doesn't look that much better archivist
[12:22:35] <archivist> Sync, not if I wanted to see the fracture surface rather than a black area
[12:23:19] <archivist> I have top light at an angle on mine
[12:24:50] <archivist> eg tip fractures on http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_09_03_travelling_microscope/IMG_1659.JPG
[12:25:26] <archivist> although that would have been better backlit
[12:27:00] <archivist> top light and depth of field http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pivot
[12:28:36] <pink_vampire> archivist: are you a watchmaker?
[12:29:02] <archivist> I may make watch parts :), usually clock parts
[12:30:12] <cradek> wow, those worn pivots!
[12:31:35] <archivist> just had to take a pic for posterity, drilled it out and pressed in a new pivot
[12:32:37] <Sync> the facture area is clearly visible in person
[12:40:04] <pink_vampire> archivist: that amazing, I would love to learn it.
[12:42:28] <archivist> the difference to normal engineering is only size and making sure the parts are polished correctly and the fit rattles
[12:43:48] <pink_vampire> I have 1
[12:44:40] <pink_vampire> and for me to make something out of it, it's almost impossible..
[12:44:57] <archivist> and traditional watch and clockmakers use hand turning with a graver on a rest
[12:45:51] <pink_vampire> without cnc??
[12:46:16] <archivist> most of my work is non cnc
[12:46:43] <malcom2073> archivist doesn't often cnc, but when he does, he makes sure it's only to speed up things he could otherwise do manually
[12:46:46] <malcom2073> ;)(
[12:46:48] <malcom2073> ;)
[12:47:05] <archivist> actually I cnc for accuracy
[12:47:18] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_07_Lorch_lathe/IMG_1822.JPG
[12:47:21] <_methods> i cnc for the girlz
[12:47:34] <malcom2073> I cnc for the lulz
[12:48:01] <archivist> deadly boring hand cutting gears
[12:48:35] <malcom2073> archivist: Is your upload terrible today, or is that just that big of an image?
[12:49:03] <archivist> one off curved shapes are much faster made by hand
[12:49:35] <archivist> my upload is always a bit slow and the images are a bit large
[12:50:09] <malcom2073> Why don't you host offsite?
[12:50:16] <malcom2073> I'm sure I've asked this before, but I don't remember :P
[12:50:22] <archivist> because data size
[12:50:35] <_methods> Gb = $$$$$$
[12:50:48] <malcom2073> Gb no, Tb yeah, How big is your whole archive?
[12:51:01] <archivist> 14gb or more
[12:51:14] <malcom2073> Oh that's tiny
[12:51:31] <archivist> not tiny when buying space
[12:51:41] <malcom2073> Hell you can get a 15GB VPS for $15 a year
[12:51:50] <malcom2073> Granted, that doesn't leave much room for the OS, but meh :P
[12:52:48] <malcom2073> I wish I could host my website here, but anytime anyone tries to access it, it would slow down my internet to a crawl lol
[12:52:48] <archivist> and I can run the dns and multiple things
[12:53:42] <malcom2073> That is nice to have complete control over it
[12:56:08] <Jymmm> malcom2073: link to this $15/ a year 15GB vps?
[12:56:15] <Sync> you can even run the dns when you are doing it not at home!
[12:56:29] <malcom2073> Jymmm: http://buyvm.net/openvz-vps/ The OpenVZ128 plan
[12:56:37] <malcom2073> I run my website on the 256 plan
[12:56:47] <malcom2073> Actually, I run my IRC bouncer there too :P
[12:57:22] <archivist> memory there is a killer
[12:57:26] <Jymmm> malcom2073: is the 500 GB bandwidth per month or year?
[12:57:31] <malcom2073> You don't need much memory for a simple webserver
[12:57:38] <malcom2073> I even run wordpress on mine and don't hit the limit
[12:57:47] <malcom2073> Jymmm: month
[12:58:00] <malcom2073> iirc, you can buy more on the side for not much
[12:58:02] <Jymmm> malcom2073: you sure?
[12:58:28] <malcom2073> Jymmm: That's what they told me when I asked, you can hop on their IRC and double check, there's a web client for it
[12:58:33] <archivist> you need memory to run the database at full speed
[12:58:43] <Jymmm> malcom2073: thanks
[12:58:44] <malcom2073> archivist: I pay $1 a month extra to offload the database
[12:58:52] <malcom2073> So yeah, there's that
[12:59:38] <archivist> mysql is using about 150 here
[12:59:40] <malcom2073> It's a shame, I have a dual cpu xeon server with 64gb of ram sitting at my house, and I'm forced to run my web server on a tiny tiny vps :P
[12:59:52] <malcom2073> archivist: So $15 a year + $12 a year for offloaded sql
[12:59:58] <malcom2073> Yeah it starts to add up heh
[13:00:23] <malcom2073> Ohhhh you know what
[13:00:28] <malcom2073> I don't know if you can offload using the cheap plan
[13:00:35] <malcom2073> so that may be no good anyway
[13:01:45] <Sync> I just run a dedicated machine in a DC
[13:02:05] <malcom2073> Sync: I can't find any place that will let me run my server on their rack for less than $100 a month
[13:02:27] <_methods> you can get 1u for $70/month all over
[13:02:39] <_methods> probably cheaper in some places
[13:02:53] <malcom2073> Still pretty expensive, $70 a month gets you amost the same capabilities as my server on a VPS
[13:03:14] <_methods> wut?
[13:03:29] <malcom2073> I don't have large hard drives in it heh
[13:03:44] <Jymmm> malcom2073: They are trying to h@x0r3ds me! They say they need roots password and will send me $2.000.000 and are in nigera
[13:03:51] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Sounds legit
[13:04:02] <Jymmm> they are asling for root though
[13:04:04] <malcom2073> I warn you: The owner of buyvm has a sick sense of humor
[13:04:05] <Jymmm> asking*
[13:04:13] <malcom2073> Oh, that's root password for the VPS you're buying from them
[13:04:26] <_methods> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=131
[13:04:35] <_methods> 2u in atl for $49/month
[13:04:36] <Jymmm> malcom2073: And there's no MS-DOS 6.21 option, wth?!
[13:04:45] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I'm sure you can pay extra for that :P
[13:04:58] <Jymmm> FreeDOS biotch!
[13:05:14] <malcom2073> _methods: If I was selling services, $70 a month would be a hell of a good deal
[13:05:16] <_methods> that's unmetered too
[13:05:17] <malcom2073> but it's for my own personal use :P
[13:05:22] <_methods> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1480731
[13:05:26] <Jymmm> malcom2073: So they dont care what services you run?
[13:05:28] <_methods> 2u $49/month
[13:05:37] <_methods> 10Mbit unmetered
[13:05:42] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Don't be a dick is pretty much their rule
[13:05:56] <malcom2073> A lot of people use them for VPN outlets though
[13:06:14] <malcom2073> _methods: That's getting closer to being reasonable
[13:06:29] <malcom2073> However, I'm not driving to atlanta to install it :P
[13:06:31] <_methods> that's beyond reasonable
[13:06:35] <_methods> you ship it to them
[13:06:41] <_methods> i need to move all my vps to that
[13:06:48] <_methods> i'm going to build server now
[13:06:53] <malcom2073> Again, I'm pying $4 a month right now
[13:06:55] <malcom2073> paying*
[13:06:57] <_methods> that's the cheapest i've seen it
[13:07:01] <malcom2073> Just whining about having a useless server
[13:07:35] <_methods> plus if you drive to atl you get to see ssi
[13:07:36] <_methods> lol
[13:07:43] <malcom2073> Psh, he won't buy my rails, I'm mad at him
[13:07:44] <malcom2073> :P
[13:08:24] <malcom2073> I can't sell services anyway, I can't afford to replace this hardware if it breaks heh
[13:18:59] <Sync> that's what insurance is for malcom2073
[13:19:07] <Sync> _methods: 10M unmetered is pretty shitty
[13:19:31] <malcom2073> Sync: Insurance requires money to pay for in the first place, which requires me selling services, which requires me insuring my hardware :P
[13:20:57] <Sync> well
[13:21:34] <Sync> or you just don't do it and vanish when shit goes down
[13:21:48] <malcom2073> Heh I'm too nice for that
[13:22:51] <CaptHindsight> vanish before things go down
[13:23:10] <malcom2073> If I wasn't so nice, I'd be rich by now
[13:25:56] <CaptHindsight> blame it on an act of God
[13:26:13] <CaptHindsight> it worked for ComEd every summer back in the 90's
[13:28:44] <malcom2073> heh
[13:31:19] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-bug-eyes-tiny-d-glasses.html probably no market in fashionable versions
[13:31:29] <malcom2073> hah
[13:33:07] <CaptHindsight> imagine creating a 3D game where your opponents are live insects
[13:33:29] <SpeedEvil> Tehre was a book about that
[13:33:39] <FinboySlick> I'm pretty sure a mantis has better reflex than even the geekiest of gamers.
[13:34:33] <SpeedEvil> 'war against the ants' or something
[13:37:20] <CaptHindsight> there was a video of someone at MIT that made a fishing reel that connected to an actual amoeba
[13:37:47] <_methods> is that a legal catch?
[13:37:56] <Jymmm> malcom2073: "outlets"?
[13:37:57] <CaptHindsight> it was scaled with actual feedback from the amoeba
[13:38:14] <_methods> fish and wildlife are going to be all over those nerds
[13:39:55] <malcom2073> Jymmm: huh?
[13:40:08] <Jymmm> malcom2073: "2016-01-07.10:41:20 malcom2073: A lot of people use them for VPN outlets though "
[13:40:19] <malcom2073> Oh yeah, exit points
[13:40:35] <Jymmm> malcom2073: peering?
[13:40:43] <malcom2073> Not sure what that means?
[13:40:58] <Jymmm> cross connects with other bandwidth providers
[13:41:24] <malcom2073> No, for hiding their traffic from their ISP/government/etc
[13:41:30] <Jymmm> malcom2073: ah
[13:41:44] <_methods> vpn server
[13:42:05] <pink_vampire> ABB stuff expensive as hell
[13:42:23] <pink_vampire> 69.31$
[13:42:58] <pink_vampire> just for selector switch
[13:43:36] <Jymmm> Sync: 10M unmetered is actually pretty good, stop dl all that porn!
[13:43:46] <Deejay> hrhr
[13:44:31] <Sync> I got 10T on gbit
[13:44:45] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Cool, I've been wanting to toss up a snmpd
[13:46:29] <Jymmm> maybe ldap, I'll have to see which has less overhead
[13:46:55] <Sync> I'd get cancer if I only had 10M to my server
[13:47:24] <malcom2073> hah
[13:47:24] <Jymmm> Sync: Why? What are you running on it?
[13:48:18] <_methods> i'd use the for a private file server/nvidia grid box
[13:48:24] <_methods> 10m would bee plenty
[13:48:28] <_methods> and 2u
[13:48:33] <_methods> for $49/month
[13:48:49] <Jymmm> wth is a 'nvidia grid box' ?
[13:48:59] <Jymmm> _methods: You are such a freak, you know that?
[13:49:02] <_methods> nvidia grid man
[13:49:09] <Jymmm> _methods: ???????????????????
[13:49:10] <_methods> its gpu's in teh cloud
[13:49:19] <Jymmm> oh gawd... freak!
[13:49:19] <_methods> so i can install solidworks and mastercam on that
[13:49:27] <_methods> then use them wherever i am
[13:49:33] <Sync> Jymmm: sharing porn
[13:49:37] <Jymmm> ok lawnmower man!
[13:49:38] <_methods> as long as i have an internet connection of course
[13:49:56] <malcom2073> Haha
[13:50:00] <Jymmm> Sync: Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[13:50:22] <_methods> http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia-grid.html
[13:50:53] <Jymmm> yeah, no thanks. I prefer my c/gpu's where I can hug em, love em, and squeeze em!
[13:51:11] <Sync> nah, I just sometimes need to move large bits of data, and with 10M it would take ages
[13:51:31] <Jymmm> Sync: ah, ok.
[13:51:34] <_methods> yeah i'm not sayin it's great
[13:51:42] <_methods> just depends on what you want to do with it
[13:51:47] <Jymmm> Sync: I bitch at 1Gbit on the local lan =)
[13:51:53] <_methods> and 2u at $49/month is pretty damn good
[13:52:06] <Jymmm> _methods: how many amps?
[13:52:10] <_methods> 2A
[13:52:18] <Jymmm> not bad at all then.
[13:52:44] <_methods> be great for a bunch of low traffic vm's
[14:00:29] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Right, but look at that "unmetered", it's how customer perceive costs, in bandwidth, not power.
[14:01:08] <malcom2073> I'm confused as to what you're stating, you said that they charge for power, but it seems they charge for bandwidth (albiet bandwidth is cheap, and power costs them money)
[14:02:05] <Jymmm> malcom2073: It's like the wate company charge rate is per connection size, 5/8" vs 2"
[14:02:43] <malcom2073> Except they charge for bandwidth. You pay more, you get more bandwidth. Who cares what they're doing in their own books? :P
[14:47:31] <t12> welding aluminum vacuum fitting 1" ID: kinda hard
[14:58:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-GMT-Spindle-Motor-Air-Cooled-0-8-kW-1HP-220V-ER11-CNC-Router-Mill-/161843955166 who makes the good versions of these with good bearings?
[15:01:15] <RootB> are those china spindles?
[15:01:25] <CaptHindsight> most likely
[15:01:40] <CaptHindsight> somebody in the EU was making some proper versions
[15:03:32] <CaptHindsight> naybe IBAG
[15:09:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.banggood.com/12V-To-18V-11500rpm-To-18000rpm-2_2A-High-Power-775-Spindle-Motor-p-998866.html?currency=USD&createTmp=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_content=saul&utm_campaign=Electronic-xie-us&gclid=CNycwMXImMoCFQIHaQodhgoHkQ $10 :0
[15:14:17] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/electrical-products/spindle-motors.html Made in Italy?
[15:14:39] <Sync> maybe a perske motor?
[15:14:57] <Sync> those are hsd iirc andypugh
[15:16:09] <andypugh> The product brochure claims otherwise.
[16:38:25] <Deejay> gn8
[17:38:59] <andypugh> You know, if I was listing a job lot of tooling for £500 I think I would go to the effort of putting up a photo: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cnc-Tools-Job-Lot-Hardinge-Turret-Tooling-/262182341410?hash=item3d0b490b22:g:N9YAAOSwu4BVkXQs
[17:41:37] <JT-Shop> LOL at the description Large lot of Hardinge turret tooling... I wonder if his large is the same as my large?
[17:42:23] <andypugh> Well, quite.
[17:58:47] <jfindley> Hello
[17:59:01] <JT-Shop> I got debian sneezy loaded on a computer and will work on the uspace kernel in the morning
[17:59:22] <JT-Shop> can't wait to test the 7i92... I think that is the number
[17:59:56] <JT-Shop> got my DB25 MM serial adapter so I can plug it into the 7i77 without a cable
[18:00:15] * JT-Shop waves from the peanut gallery
[18:00:56] <jfindley> Is a 6i25 and 7i76 all I need to control a 3 axis gantry router?
[18:01:39] <JT-Shop> and a DB25 cable and a 24vdc power supply for field I/O
[18:01:49] <JT-Shop> steppers I assume
[18:02:08] <jfindley> yep, steppers. Steppers operate at 5.7V 1A, spindle is 9V 1A
[18:02:26] <jdh> steppers will need more V than that
[18:02:35] <JT-Shop> tiny little thing I'm guessing
[18:02:50] <jfindley> 115x205x53mm
[18:03:03] <jfindley> Nice little desktop CNC machine
[18:03:19] * JT-Shop tries to multiply 115 x 0.03937 in his head but it explodes
[18:03:33] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you gettin your BP figured out?
[18:04:15] <JT-Shop> no, back to where it was before I started... can't figure out where the sserial errors are coming from but it is in the drive cabinet for sure
[18:04:30] <Tom_itx> 4.52755 btw
[18:04:44] <andypugh> jfindley: You know to completely ignore the voltage rating on steppers?
[18:04:45] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:05:00] <JT-Shop> jfindley: you got a photo of that monster?
[18:06:50] <JT-Shop> jfindley: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Formulas
[18:10:17] <jfindley> JT-Shop: I do somewhere.
[18:10:37] <jfindley> http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/radicaldev/media/20160104_082921.jpg.html
[18:11:29] <jfindley> bought it from somebody in here. Very cool machine, but I don't like the TinyG it came with much.
[18:12:33] <andypugh> Fun to compare that to Stuarts behemoths.
[18:13:39] <jfindley> It's just the right size to post-process some 3D printed stuff I've been working on
[18:14:15] <JT-Shop> cool
[18:14:36] <jfindley> Once I get used to milling I'll invest in a bigger one, but for now I don't deserve that kind of power.
[18:14:38] <JT-Shop> nema 17 steppers?
[18:14:44] <andypugh> Don’t get me wrong, it’s much better to have the right size machine for the job.
[18:15:08] <jfindley> I think they're 23s
[18:15:14] <JT-Shop> looks well made
[18:15:17] <andypugh> The hold-down clamps for the MPM Viper would probably crush your parts :-)
[18:16:37] <jfindley> There's a little slop in the way the spindle is mounted to the vertical screw, I think I need to get another bearing made for it, but overall it's solid as a rock.
[18:16:53] <andypugh> I was thinking about making something in the 30mm x 30mm scale for my sister. For my sister to use, I mean. Not to mill my sister. That would be mean.
[18:17:09] <PetefromTn_> 0
[18:17:28] <jfindley> andypugh: You could make a robot that does facepaint.
[18:17:38] <Tom_itx> 26 in 24hrs
[18:17:51] <Tom_itx> starting with 4.7 4.8 quakes
[18:17:55] <JT-Shop> quakes?
[18:18:11] <jdh> I went dumpster diving at work today. passed up a nice auto-sampler something from the lab. had a nice 2 axis belt driven stage
[18:18:25] <andypugh> jfindley: You may be understimating the age of my sister. She’s a goldsmith.
[18:18:49] <jdh> save your swarf
[18:19:23] <JT-Shop> does she do sling casting?
[18:19:28] <jdh> http://wilmington.craigslist.org/hvo/5363188685.html
[18:20:27] <JT-Shop> no photos
[18:20:28] <_methods> hahah
[18:20:40] <_methods> damn wife on craigslist
[18:20:42] <_methods> lookout
[18:21:12] <_methods> angry wife on craigslist
[18:21:32] <andypugh> Drone trouble: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-sports/35167883
[18:22:02] <jdh> that's pretty obnoxious
[18:24:52] <andypugh> I asume it was a TV company drone, filming the event.
[18:25:19] <cradek> wow, that could have really hurt the guy
[18:25:21] <andypugh> “They don’t so much fly, as plummet”
[18:25:32] <cradek> "please be more careful next time" he says
[18:25:38] <JT-Shop> priority mail from Missouri to Arkansas takes 3 days but it can get from Missouri to New York in 2 days
[18:26:05] <Tom_itx> send it to NY then Ark it will get there overnite
[18:29:03] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:29:54] <JT-Shop> anyone know where I can get a couple thumb wheel or push wheel switches the kind with 0-9 on them with bcd output
[18:30:23] <andypugh> I know exaactly where. But it would be inconvenient for you
[18:30:25] <jdh> newark, digikey
[18:31:19] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thumbwheel-switches/4250811/
[18:32:35] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/A7D-106-1/SW279-ND/36132
[18:32:41] <JT-Shop> dang those aer kind of expensive
[18:33:12] <andypugh> If you can wait: http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-22mm-x-8mm-0-9-Digits-8421BCD-Code-Pushwheel-Thumbwheel-Switches-KM1-/371367599784?hash=item56773bdea8:g:YJoAAOSwyQtVkfOG
[18:33:12] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: that's the one I'm looking for thanks
[18:33:30] <andypugh> 51 cents each…
[18:34:11] <JT-Shop> that's the right price
[18:34:38] <JT-Shop> I wonder if aliexpress has some...
[18:34:48] <Tom_itx> i'm sure they do
[18:35:07] <JT-Shop> I'm not in a hurry just automating a band saw
[18:35:26] <Tom_itx> how many digits?
[18:35:32] <Tom_itx> you can get gang switches
[18:35:40] <JT-Shop> 2 digits
[18:35:54] <Tom_itx> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Apem/SMCD131AK2/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtCK2PtucxWuEInvyHgH9so
[18:36:19] <os1r1s> Evening all
[18:37:12] <JT-Shop> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Black-22mm-x-8mm-0-9-Digits-BCD-Code-Pushwheel-Thumbwheel-Switches-KM1/1983020095.html?spm=2114.031010208.3.98.F3wVGx&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_3,searchweb201644_2_10001_10002_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_6150
[18:37:34] <JT-Shop> Estimated Delivery Time: 15-39 days (ships out within 3 business days)
[18:39:04] <JT-Shop> a buddy tried to get me to take a BP home with me today, it's missing a control board
[18:39:20] <Tom_itx> and you said yes?
[18:39:23] <JT-Shop> it's a series two with BP 3 axis CNC
[18:39:39] <JT-Shop> I didn't say no
[18:39:45] <andypugh> Sounds like the sort of stray that might follow you home
[18:39:45] <Tom_itx> manual toolchange?
[18:39:47] <jdh> part out the control?
[18:39:48] <JT-Shop> interac I think
[18:40:02] <JT-Shop> problem is it is R8 spindle
[18:40:20] <andypugh> I am not a fan of R8
[18:40:21] <JT-Shop> need to find a kwik switch spindle for it
[18:40:36] <andypugh> If only you had a lathe.
[18:40:56] <JT-Shop> I have two...
[18:41:01] <andypugh> Right, logging off time.
[18:41:10] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[18:41:21] <JT-Shop> may the VFD gods be kind to you
[18:46:03] <cradek> JT-Shop: the back of every ancient external scsi disk or tape drive has those, but usually only one. if you have a junk pile, look there
[18:47:31] <JT-Shop> I have lots of computer junk but no scsi disk or tape drive... maybe a tape drive but I don't remember a bcd thumb wheel on it
[18:48:25] <cradek> depending on your user, you could use 3 or 4 toggle switches instead
[18:49:21] <JT-Shop> I thought of that but that would be confusing to a minimum wage worker I'd think
[18:49:50] <JT-Shop> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Black-22mm-x-8mm-0-9-Digits-BCD-Code-Pushwheel-Thumbwheel-Switches-KM1/1488296146.html?spm=2114.031010208.3.126.er7G3X&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_3,searchweb201644_2_10001_10002_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_6150
[18:49:55] <cradek> yeah, only a programmer (an old one) would think that was clever
[18:50:55] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pc-Thumbwheel-BCD-Switch-Hampolt-TF31-GTF311221-0-9-Scale-Panel-33x8mm-Taiwan-/140916198633?hash=item20cf428ce9:g:8V8AAMXQ-9hRGQW5
[18:51:01] <JT-Shop> I thought of holding the stop button in till an led flashed the right number of times but what if worker can't count
[18:51:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pc-Thumbwheel-BCD-Switch-Hampolt-TF51-GTF511221-0-9-Scale-Panel-18x6mm-Taiwan-/130849740990?hash=item1e774098be:g:kvsAAMXQ9cpRGRzm
[18:52:13] <Tom_itx> how many do you need?
[18:52:39] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/20pc-Thumbwheel-BCD-Switch-Hampolt-TF41-GTF411221-0-9-Scale-Panel-24x8mm-Taiwan-/140916263667?hash=item20cf438af3:g:jUwAAOxyjzNRGRN2
[18:52:40] <cradek> JT-Shop: yeah that's mystery meat. the number wheels are perfect because how it works is obvious to everyone.
[18:52:41] <Tom_itx> 20 pack
[18:58:04] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHB3Rbz1OI
[19:00:36] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I got a large T shirt today and it fits... I have a closet full of stuff that is too big for me now
[19:03:26] <jdh> cool
[19:04:12] <Tom_itx> yeah that's cool
[19:04:26] <JT-Shop> yea, I'm liking it
[19:04:41] <Tom_itx> bet you feel better too
[19:04:55] <JT-Shop> 12 pounds to go to get to my targe
[19:04:56] <JT-Shop> t
[19:05:07] <JT-Shop> yes, much better
[19:05:44] <JT-Shop> jdh: you use those padded pants when riding?
[19:06:24] <jdh> yep
[19:06:31] <JT-Shop> I got a cheap pair from local sports store but not impressed
[19:06:45] <jdh> cheap isn't usually good
[19:07:00] <JT-Shop> what are some good ones?
[19:07:28] <jdh> pearl izumi, louis garneau are not overly expensive
[19:07:44] <jdh> assos and rapha if you like to spend $$$
[19:08:12] <JT-Shop> I'm just into it for exercise and fun
[19:08:28] <JT-Shop> I don't care about a gram or three of extra weight
[19:08:48] <jdh> local bike store would be better. more than online though
[19:09:27] <JT-Shop> the local bike store doesn't have much for clothes
[19:09:51] <JT-Shop> there is a wild one in Jonesboro that has everything
[19:09:51] <jdh> nashbar, performance bike
[19:10:03] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/Louis-Garneau-Fit-Sensor-Shorts/dp/B00CHWNTHK
[19:10:21] <Roguish> JT-Shop: check out http://www.bikesomewhere.com/
[19:11:00] <jdh> nashbar is cheaper. don't get ones too big
[19:11:36] <Roguish> $$ == comfort
[19:11:46] <Roguish> $$$$ ===== more comfort
[19:11:48] <jdh> yep. and I'd get bibs not shorts
[19:11:57] <Roguish> just need to find your threshold
[19:12:05] <JT-Shop> why bibs?
[19:12:23] <Roguish> I strictly use Castelli
[19:12:27] <jdh> I find them much more comfortable
[19:12:43] <jdh> castelli is not cut for me
[19:12:48] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/Nashbar-Mansfield-Chamois-Bib-Tights/dp/B005VD5RF4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1452214059&sr=8-4&keywords=nashbar+bibs
[19:13:42] <jdh> I'd go with a real brand
[19:13:49] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/Castelli-Velocissimo-Short-X-Large-Black/dp/B0076FE1U2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452214109&sr=8-1&keywords=Castelli+bibs
[19:14:05] <JT-Shop> was that a fake brand?
[19:14:28] <jdh> castelli is real, nashbar/mansfield is just oem'ed stuff
[19:14:31] <Roguish> yeah, those are ok.
[19:15:45] <Roguish> not great but will do for a good start. It's all about the crouch insert, what used to be called the chamois
[19:17:30] <Roguish> chafing is not good. leads to saddle sores. inflamed follicles. like sitting on needles. not good. not good at all.
[19:18:47] <Roguish> check these guys out. GCN on youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuTaETsuCOkJ0H_GAztWt0Q
[19:19:16] <Roguish> hysterically funny, and pretty good.
[19:19:39] <jdh> Roguish: what/where do you ride?
[19:20:30] <Roguish> Serotta, steel frame, in SF Bay Area. East Bay, over the hill from Berkeley and Oakland.
[19:20:59] <Sync> I need to dig out my powertap again, it has been sitting for too long
[19:21:43] <Roguish> I have no need for a power meter. would just confirm how weak I am. did a VO2max once. confirmed my mediocrity
[19:22:05] <Roguish> but I like cycling. good exercise, good fun, good company.
[19:22:17] <jdh> I have one, don't use it currently for the same reason
[19:22:17] <JT-Shop> yep, that's why I ride
[19:22:51] <jdh> 6,359 miles last year. 0 so far this year (sick)
[19:22:54] <Sync> I used to do tris a few years ago
[19:22:55] <JT-Shop> the size chart says I need medium! wtf I've not seen that in decades
[19:23:15] <os1r1s> What do you call the power distribution blocks?
[19:23:22] <os1r1s> That you put in a CNC control?
[19:23:26] * JT-Shop heads inside
[19:23:33] <jdh> JT: Med is probably right
[19:23:37] <JT-Shop> power distribution blocks
[19:23:46] <os1r1s> :)
[19:23:51] <JT-Shop> 34" waist 185
[19:23:52] <os1r1s> There isn't a fancy name for it?
[19:24:01] <jdh> med.
[19:24:26] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[19:25:46] <Sync> and in the time trail I'd try to make it say at least 300W
[19:26:07] <jdh> I can do 300, for very short periods
[19:28:49] <Sync> yeah it is hard to keep it up the distance
[19:28:59] <Sync> but oh well
[20:02:51] <Jymmm> jdh: 300?!
[20:02:58] * Jymmm can do 992 !!!
[20:03:57] <Jymmm> We're talking ounces, right? http://learn.kegerator.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/half_barrel_keg.jpg