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[00:05:05] <Loetmichel2> chupa3040t: which country?
[00:05:35] <Loetmichel2> i order all my 1/8" mill bits at www.sorotec.de
[00:05:52] <Loetmichel2> the enngraving cutters are really good there
[00:06:57] <Loetmichel2> enleth: i am one of the guys that use a soldering iron for SMT work
[00:07:01] <Loetmichel2> down to 0402
[00:07:10] <Loetmichel2> 02001 is no fun tho
[00:31:07] <renesis> omg fuck 0201
[00:31:12] <renesis> RF engineers are assholes
[00:44:15] <rue_shop3> is the metic feedrate of grbl really mm/min?
[00:49:07] <rue_shop3> does grbl REALLY implement G02 and G03, or just say they do
[00:51:33] <rue_shop3> does even linuxcnc impelment it?
[00:53:47] <enleth> Loetmichel2: did that too, certainly possible with a good iron
[00:54:19] <enleth> a rigid needle-like clamp would be nice for 0201
[00:54:58] <enleth> like a pick-and-place but operated manually to hold a small element in position
[01:17:01] <renesis> enleth: soldering tweezers ftw
[01:17:56] <renesis> like, hold and place with soldering tweezers onto tinned pads, use normal tweezers or dental pick to hold down part while you pull away hot tweezers
[01:18:09] <renesis> goes pretty quick like that
[01:18:35] <ReadError> paste and hotair, much easier
[01:23:30] <renesis> 0201 shit blew away =\
[01:23:44] <Jymmm> DUCT TAPE!!!
[01:23:55] <renesis> omg no jymm
[01:24:11] <Jymmm> renesis: Hey, duct tape or two part epoxy =)
[01:24:31] <renesis> omfg omg FUCK glued down parts
[01:24:40] <Jymmm> hahahahaha
[01:24:52] <renesis> how do we turn some simple rework into mad drama? glued parts
[01:25:17] <Jymmm> I get dumbass college students to do it for me =)
[01:25:36] <renesis> well big parts its fine
[01:25:56] <Jymmm> renesis: quit yer bitchn college boy ;)
[01:26:10] <renesis> SMD inductors are the worst, can get enough heat into them to break glue without basically melting half the board
[01:26:35] <Jymmm> Huh? What are you using?
[01:26:37] <renesis> man ive heard scary things about the grad student lab TAs
[01:27:06] <renesis> i only glue down big things for vibration issues and usually RTV or similar
[01:27:22] <renesis> i dont glue down small shit, china factories do
[01:27:24] <Jymmm> RTV?! you're kidding right? Hot glue gun
[01:27:26] <renesis> not always sure why
[01:28:00] <renesis> i use glue gun for a lot of stuff but pretty sure the typical white stuff everyone uses for vibration damping is an RTV
[01:28:33] <renesis> most hot glue is too rigid, would just break away and bang against the hot glue, need something rubber that sticks
[01:29:03] <renesis> i use masking tape to make little box molds to pot quick perfboard deadbug protos in hot glue, heh
[01:29:10] <Jymmm> That really depends on the type of hot glue, most common is soft, though I do have a few varieties
[01:29:47] <Jymmm> I even have GITD hot glue =)
[01:29:47] <renesis> its not the same, white stuff is a giggly RTV
[01:29:54] <renesis> yellow stuff is a hot glue
[01:30:21] <renesis> yellow stuff is more for strain relief, white stuff is like, damping on big parts and airtight sealing
[01:30:23] <Jymmm> That's the type used to seal pack boxes, wrong stuff
[01:30:35] <renesis> see it poured on the backs of connects, pretty nasty, do not approve
[01:30:54] <ReadError> glue as in wave soldering?
[01:30:59] <renesis> whats pack boxes
[01:31:27] <Jymmm> renesis: Used to seal corrigated cardboard boxes, like bottles of wine
[01:31:33] <renesis> readerror: i guess, i think its for double sided smd and heavy magnetic bits and sometimes they just carried away
[01:31:44] <renesis> when like 0805s are glued down im pretty wtf
[01:31:57] <renesis> jymmm: oh, yeah that stuff would work okay
[01:32:03] <ReadError> i thought in wave soldering everything is glued
[01:32:14] <Jymmm> renesis: that stuff is yelllow
[01:32:23] <renesis> for a lot of application, unvulcanized butyl rubber is used
[01:32:30] <renesis> bear shit, gorilla snot
[01:32:42] <renesis> bugenjaow
[01:32:48] <Jymmm> no not gorilla snot, that's gasket sealer
[01:33:02] <renesis> shrug, supposedly this is chinese that loosely translates to unvulcanized rubber
[01:33:17] <renesis> youre saying no, im telling you its industry standard
[01:33:34] <renesis> probably used in like every other subwoofer ever, heh
[01:33:49] <Jymmm> THIS is gorilla snot, damn fine gasket sealer
http://contentinfo.autozone.com/znetcs/product-info/en/US/mmm/08581/image/3/
[01:34:06] <renesis> that probably sets and sticks
[01:34:17] <renesis> gorilla snot doesnt
[01:34:37] <Jymmm> doesn't set that fast, thus snot =)
[01:34:43] <renesis> its kind of like that blue poster stuff
[01:34:54] <Jymmm> poster putty?
[01:34:59] <renesis> unvulcanized rubber doesnt set ever
[01:35:01] <renesis> yeah
[01:35:11] <renesis> its like something between that and silly putty
[01:35:24] <Jymmm> Yeah, the 3m is gorilla snot, looks consistancy, but works great!
[01:35:28] <Jymmm> for what it is
[01:35:59] <Jymmm> great gasket sealer
[01:36:01] <renesis> well if you bring that to someone who asked for gorilla snot in the audio industry, theyre probably going to be sad
[01:36:22] <renesis> its used as acoustic damping a lot, too
[01:37:03] <renesis> its not a glue, it doesnt run, you wouldnt be able to squeeze it out of a tube
[01:37:24] <renesis> its basically black silly putty
[01:38:05] <renesis> like, comes in sheets and rolls
[01:38:16] <Jymmm> That would be for lows though
[01:38:45] <renesis> shrug, its just for sealing and damping vibration, so ya lows
[01:39:25] <renesis> HF vibrations that hurt things probably arent going to be consistent
[01:39:39] <Jymmm> define "HF" ?
[01:39:46] <renesis> typically shit goes nuts between 40 and like 200
[01:39:51] <Jymmm> < 50MHz ?
[01:40:03] <renesis> upper decade, so like above 2khz
[01:40:33] <Jymmm> THIS is what I use for lows
http://www.lowes.com/pd_320879-73825-060-9507-46___?productId=3117463&pl=1&Ntt=recyceled+rubber+mat
[01:40:49] <renesis> if some shit is buzzing at 50mhz, i dont care no one will hear it, and deflection so tiny prob nothing dies
[01:41:14] <Jymmm> I thought you were talking RF
[01:41:20] <renesis> jymmm: prob similar density, its rubber
[01:41:49] <Jymmm> That isn't solid, it's ground pieces "adherde" together
[01:41:58] <renesis> but yeah how is that going to help me seal a speaker or stick a grill on without buzzes
[01:42:55] <Jymmm> what kind of speakers are you working on?
[01:43:37] <renesis> http://www.amazon.com/C-R-LAURENCE-RM140-Sunroof-Sealant/dp/B002CXGSKY/
[01:43:53] <renesis> at work?
[01:44:08] <renesis> nothing now except sources to test microphones, all studio monitor stuff
[01:44:22] <renesis> just mics and headphones at new place
[01:44:38] <renesis> tho i blew up a tannoy coax tweeter and got to take it apart
[01:45:07] <renesis> ST chipamp, older acoustic guy was like ISNT THAT JUST A SHAME im like WHAT DO YOU MEAN IC AMP FUCK YA
[01:47:01] <renesis> jymmm: ive done home/studio/live subwoofers at other places, half the job at least is troubleshooting rub and buzz issues
[01:47:29] <Jymmm> ah
[01:48:00] <renesis> have tested a lot of competitive product, pretty much everything buzzes somewhere, but its almost always between like 50 and 200
[01:48:26] <archivist> I have two tannoy studio speakers with broken outer cones suspension
[01:48:34] <renesis> by 1khz, even if there is a buzz, the amplitudes are so small its not an issue
[01:48:50] <renesis> archivist: you can probably get recone kits
[01:49:22] <archivist> I got a silly quote from tannoy to re cone them
[01:49:24] <renesis> then its about careful shimming and steady glue hand
[01:49:30] <renesis> yeah they dont want to do that
[01:49:39] <renesis> like $500 each or something?
[01:49:51] <archivist> £300+ each
[01:50:14] <archivist> so yes about that price, was a long time ago I asked
[01:50:23] <renesis> yeah so like $450+
[01:50:37] <renesis> its reasonable in the sense that they probably have limited spares
[01:51:00] <renesis> but mostly i think they just dont want to deal with it
[01:51:11] <archivist> my pair came out of a TV production area
[01:51:42] <renesis> yeah video guys are harder on them in general
[01:52:00] <renesis> maybe just synth geeks are worse
[01:52:37] <renesis> i should go i have to shower and like drive 700 miles
[01:52:59] <renesis> i dont have a schedule but if i did i think id be late
[01:53:58] <renesis> archivist: you can probably get recone kits for way under $100 each and just do it yourself
[01:57:15] <archivist> I may one day just try to make a new outer suspension for a giggle
[01:58:15] <renesis> might work out, most of the damping and stiffness usually comes from the spider
[01:58:46] <renesis> if spider is messed up prob not worth it
[02:03:15] <archivist> the outer has rotted away the inner support looked ok
[02:04:13] <archivist> but they did sound nice when working, only needed a small amp to dive them (10-15W)
[02:10:03] <archivist> drive
[02:45:28] <Deejay> moin
[03:56:24] <archivist> rofl expensive
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Rotary-Table-Dividing-Head-Rotational-Axis-4th-5th-Axis-A-B-Axis-100MM-Chuck-/161679996211
[03:58:27] <enleth> looks more chinese than the ming vases in a museum
[04:00:06] <archivist> I need to subject a belt reduction drive to my accuracy test
[04:00:58] <archivist> you never see belt makers quote an angle error for a drive
[04:01:52] <archivist> yet thousand claim system errors where a belt is driving the ball screw/whatever
[05:09:40] <rhaven> hi there, i just received a small desktop cnc machine, (my first :D). however, the old laptop i was going to use which has a parallel port has broken down. Instead of investing time/money to repair it, it seems a better choice to look into something more stable. Can anyone please share their experience with small motherboard pcs (mini itx?)
[05:10:23] <XXCoder> almost any pc 10 years or newer can do it
[05:10:31] <XXCoder> my 9 year old pc can do it
[05:10:56] <XXCoder> laptop, however, can't cut it for some reason. they all has bad lag
[05:11:09] <XXCoder> so it didn't matter that your laptop died, it would be unusable
[05:11:10] <archivist> older can be better, the new uefi can be a non starter
[05:11:22] <rhaven> XXCoder, better to buy an old pc?
[05:11:29] <XXCoder> arch knows more
[05:11:34] <trentster> Hey all, I was wondering would it be better to physically anchor a cnc router to a solid table vs leaving it resting on feet?
[05:11:46] <rhaven> the controller board is an SMC 800
[05:11:48] <XXCoder> trentster: actually I did wonder about that
[05:11:59] <XXCoder> heh i dont even have a solid table :P
[05:12:31] <trentster> heh - I bought a welded steel table, its pretty solid
[05:12:41] <XXCoder> nice
[05:12:45] <archivist> rhaven, if you trawl the logs PCW mentions an itx board which is ok
[05:13:14] <trentster> Yeah, it makes a big difference especially for rapid with acceleration
[05:14:07] <trentster> at the moment I dont have feet or have it anchored its supported by front and back alu flat bar so it rests on the machine itself
[05:14:09] <XXCoder> ;logs
[05:14:13] <XXCoder> ;log
[05:14:23] <XXCoder> bah forgot command to get log link
[05:15:00] <rhaven> archivist, thanks will look
[05:15:23] <archivist> rhaven, intel mini itx
[05:15:30] <rhaven> i found ASRock D1800B-ITX
[05:16:09] <rhaven> itx is US based correct? is there any recomendations which are based in Germany/EU?
[05:21:22] <archivist> I though itx was a shape format
[05:31:47] <XXCoder> it is a form factor for motherboard yes
[05:32:05] <XXCoder> it must ahve certain shape and holes at certain places to mount
[05:38:22] <rhaven> archivist this is the thread i find,
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-263908.html
[05:58:12] <archivist> yup, he tests many boards
[06:13:50] <enleth> rhaven: you can get ITX boards and cases in the EU just like ATX, it's not regional in any way
[09:57:59] <Magnifikus> anyone thought about car injection valves to inject coolant into an air stream for minimal coolant regulation? :D
[10:00:09] <malcom2073> Be significantly more complicated than a mister, for the same effect yeah? heh
[10:00:53] <Magnifikus> yeah ^^
[10:03:08] <archivist> a hard way of doing something simple
[10:04:29] <jdh> not that there is anything wrong with that.
[10:04:34] <SpeedEvil> injection valves are desinged for very low flow and high pressures
[10:04:44] <SpeedEvil> and uncontaminated non-corrosive (mostly) fuel
[10:05:27] <archivist> and the killer for carbide is intermittent cooling
[10:05:52] <JT-Shop> hmm I must not have the HostMot2 encoder version 4 and above, the hm2_5i25.0.muxed-skew is not a pin or parameter
[10:06:46] <Magnifikus> i see :)
[10:07:02] <Magnifikus> just dont wont to pay 300€ for an fogbuster ^^
[10:08:06] <Magnifikus> and the idea to just put a pwm onto the valve was tempting
[10:13:14] <SpeedEvil> A coolant valve is not a particularly challenging thing to make.
[10:13:23] <SpeedEvil> RC servo, valve, done
[10:22:54] <pink_vampire> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f12/68901d1359989533-totally-unnecessary-porch-paint-job-ebay-sad-user10893_pic6392_1275863316.jpg
[10:23:05] <pink_vampire> awwwww
[10:24:13] <malcom2073> Who the hell wears loose clothing in a shop?
[10:24:17] <malcom2073> Cool bandsaw though
[10:25:31] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: and heels
[10:25:38] <malcom2073> disaster waiting to happen
[10:29:12] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: you need to see how I work with my machine..
[10:33:25] <malcom2073> If it's that bad, you should watch a couple videos of people being pulled into their machines, it'll either change your mind, or at least give us a reason to say told ya so :P
[10:34:01] <Magnifikus> slurp
[10:34:37] <archivist> dont stand in front of a running jet engine either
[10:37:54] <Magnifikus> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3362797/Air-India-worker-sucked-jet-engine-killed-instantly-Mumbai-airport.html
[10:37:55] <Magnifikus> that one?
[10:39:22] <malcom2073> oh man, "Why don't they put wire grills in front of engines???"
[10:39:23] <malcom2073> heh
[10:40:40] <Tom_itx> so they get turned into frenchfries first?
[10:43:31] <malcom2073> Laser grills... to protect the engines yanno?
[10:46:21] <Magnifikus> haha
[10:47:51] <SpeedEvil> bear grills.
[10:48:23] <malcom2073> So strap bears to the front of engines to discourage people from being sucked into them?
[10:48:50] <malcom2073> (I know who that is)
[10:49:06] <Magnifikus> how about a plain and simple sign that tells people its forbidden to be sucked in?
[10:49:27] <malcom2073> Yeah, because rule breakers follow signs
[10:49:39] <Tom_itx> 'serious penalties will be enforced'
[10:49:44] <Magnifikus> haha
[10:50:09] <Magnifikus> hey in germany the digital passport is defined secure because its official forbidden to hack it!
[10:50:12] <pink_vampire> the thing with the jet engine can really make you a bad hair day..
[10:51:21] <archivist> Magnifikus, there is another on youtube into a fighter jet engine
[10:59:29] <aventtini6> hello guys
[11:19:53] <Duc> hello
[11:20:04] <PetefromTn_> hello
[11:21:30] <Tom_itx> moin
[11:26:05] <aventtini6> hi
[11:26:12] <aventtini6> whatup
[11:26:14] <aventtini6> :)
[11:26:55] <Duc> Another relaxing sunday were Im to lazy to hit the garage
[11:27:13] <aventtini6> :))) yap
[11:27:16] <PetefromTn_> my shop is SOOOO CLEAN RIGHT NOW I almost Can't believe it
[11:27:43] <aventtini6> here to . Im still waiting for my mesa cards to start another machine
[11:27:45] <aventtini6> :)
[11:28:15] <PetefromTn_> I am warming up the shop right now while my breakfast cooks and we will be getting more work done on my CNC lathe retrofit
[11:28:46] <Tom_itx> lunch?
[11:28:56] <PetefromTn_> nope breakfast ;)
[11:29:15] <PetefromTn_> we were up late last night working out there so we slept the hell in today :D
[11:29:35] <aventtini6> im thinking for 3 days for this project if i get rid off the 4 axis table or not
[11:29:57] <PetefromTn_> my projects are more like 3 months or 3 years ;)
[11:30:34] <aventtini6> 2 week max for a large machine
[11:32:22] <PetefromTn_> most of the time for me honestly is either saving up for all the new parts or coming up with a game plan the actual work only takes a couple weeks at most.
[11:32:47] <Duc> PetefromTn_: finally test fired the 20mm
[11:33:02] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[11:33:18] <Duc> the 20mm rifle I was building
[11:33:45] <PetefromTn_> I must have forgotten about it sounds LOUD
[11:36:05] <Duc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhTSiGZkWO4
[11:39:04] <PetefromTn_> pretty impressive man. Looks like there is some recoil involved ;)
[11:46:48] <aventtini6> thats crazyyy
[11:48:28] <Duc> yea I need to build a muzzle break
[11:48:30] <Duc> brb
[11:54:24] <PetefromTn_> I was at a range one time testing a precharged Pneumatic air rifle I made from scratch
[11:55:01] <PetefromTn_> I am enjoying shooting and then all of a sudden I feel and hear this massive shock wave coming from down the other side of the range line
[11:55:14] <PetefromTn_> there was a guy there with a .50 BMG
[11:55:31] <PetefromTn_> he was letting people try it out for like ten bucks a shot or something like that
[11:55:36] <PetefromTn_> so I tried one
[11:55:53] <PetefromTn_> this thing was a bolt action non gas operated rig
[11:55:59] <PetefromTn_> just had a HUGE butt pad
[11:56:16] <PetefromTn_> it was NOT pleasurable to shoot :D
[11:56:42] <PetefromTn_> but I sure felt sorry for anything on the business end of that monster
[12:04:19] <Duc> Ive never shot a 50 bmg yet
[12:04:30] <Duc> skip the 50 and went right to the 20mm
[12:06:01] <Duc> I was nice enough to warn everyone before I set it off. Even had to yell at a kid that was trying to show off to his girlfriend. Didnt think he needed to cover his ears since he has shot a 50 bmg before
[12:06:58] <PetefromTn_> the muzzle breaks REALLY help a lot at least the good ones do.
[12:08:40] <Duc> I need to sort thru some data I have before machining one
[12:09:15] <PetefromTn_> be careful man that is some unbelievable power you are messing with there :D
[12:10:50] <Duc> Remote firing with a string
[12:11:21] <Duc> deciding on a welded together brake or machined like a lathi
[12:11:22] <PetefromTn_> yeah I saw that
[12:11:45] <pink_vampire> www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=184106&d=1368051742
[12:12:20] <pink_vampire> "brilliant" guy
[12:13:13] <pink_vampire> E-stop on the side under the machine.. fans infront of close door
[12:14:34] <Duc> what is your experience with brakes?
[12:15:54] <enleth> Duc: Duc what type of cartridge?
[12:16:01] <Duc> 20mm
[12:16:05] <zeeshan> aventtini6: gimme 4th axis table :-)
[12:16:13] <PetefromTn_> honestly I am not really all that big a firearms guy. I am more into precision airguns
[12:16:24] <enleth> Duc: noticed that, but more specifically?
[12:16:38] <Duc> 20x102 vulcan round
[12:16:55] <Duc> PetefromTn_: do you know Joe from kentucky regulators
[12:17:20] <PetefromTn_> never heard of him
[12:17:38] <enleth> Ah, OK
[12:18:17] <PetefromTn_> I have built a few regulators over the years but now I concentrate on self regulating actions
[12:19:32] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/MDz6HZj.png
[12:19:36] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Dhm8fEM.png
[12:19:39] <zeeshan> in the second pic
[12:19:50] <zeeshan> anyone know how to form a 1/4" polycarbonate sheet to a dome like shape like that
[12:19:54] <zeeshan> i was thinking of outsourcing it
[12:20:07] <zeeshan> or if i were to do it myself, i'd need to make a clamp fixture heat up the whole thing
[12:20:07] <PetefromTn_> heat gun over a form?
[12:20:09] <zeeshan> and blow it with air
[12:20:31] <zeeshan> hmm
[12:20:31] <Duc> PetefromTn_: I think he is more into hunting air guns.
[12:20:36] <zeeshan> its 34" in diameter pete
[12:20:39] <zeeshan> so pretty big form :D
[12:20:40] <t12> heating pc will fog it
[12:20:44] <PetefromTn_> I am into all sorts of airguns
[12:20:59] <zeeshan> t12 depends on the temp :P
[12:21:16] <t12> i dont knownif it will really bend below the fog temp?
[12:21:23] <PetefromTn_> the largest I ever shot was a .68 caliber I think I still have a round from that gun around here somewhere
[12:21:25] <zeeshan> t12 it will
[12:21:27] <zeeshan> it needs 375f
[12:21:37] <zeeshan> ive formed smaller versions at school
[12:21:45] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaJc5qE9nkM
[12:21:49] <zeeshan> heeres now they typically do it
[12:21:58] <zeeshan> just blow molding
[12:22:25] <zeeshan> its just a one off piece though
[12:22:29] <zeeshan> and i dont want it to cost 23094832098123809 $
[12:22:40] <zeeshan> plus i dont have an oven that big
[12:22:58] <zeeshan> unless i talk to the local powdercoater guy to convinece then to let me use their oven
[12:23:03] <zeeshan> for a fee ofcourse :P
[12:23:05] <PetefromTn_> I once shot a fellows .32 caliber rifle and that thing was about perfect, large enough to take some reasonable sized game yet still quiet and very accurate out past 100 yards
[12:26:10] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/yxIhC5I Customer Photo I just received this morning of one of my CNC machined Droop Compensated scope riser rails mounted on his beautiful Steyr rifle.
[12:26:38] <Duc> Usually he sells 45 cal air guns that his grand daughter took down a deer with. Nice old guy that was looking for a new market when AR15 fell out
[12:26:57] <PetefromTn_> I like the .45 too
[12:27:32] <Duc> turns out felonies can own them and usually 70 fps
[12:27:34] <PetefromTn_> a lot of people really do not understand the power in some of these hunting airguns. They are really like a big bore muzzleloader
[12:27:59] <Duc> massive power. tempted to get one but mill is taking all the cost
[12:28:18] <Duc> the scope is bigger than mine for my 300 wm
[12:28:20] <PetefromTn_> I have not built any big bore airguns but it is not rocket science
[12:28:26] <zeeshan> has anyone used a slip roll to form a 1/4" piece of aluminum?
[12:28:45] <PetefromTn_> not 1/4 inch no
[12:28:52] <PetefromTn_> but thinner stuff yeah
[12:28:54] <Duc> Whats the average price for a precision air gun
[12:28:54] <zeeshan> might need to outsrce this
[12:28:57] <zeeshan> ive done thin stuff
[12:29:00] <zeeshan> like 16 gauge
[12:29:08] <PetefromTn_> depends on the airgun
[12:29:13] <zeeshan> im sure there is a company out there that can make me a 34" 1/4" ring
[12:29:22] <PetefromTn_> that steyr for instance the basic gun is like $3k or slightly less
[12:29:48] <PetefromTn_> the big bore airguns are not so expensive
[12:30:24] <PetefromTn_> if you have a decent lathe you can build them yourself they are not all that complex. Just a poppet valve, hammer and valve spring, a trigger and some O-rings LOL
[12:30:44] <PetefromTn_> Once my CNC lathe is running I plan to make some nice ones ;)
[12:32:44] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan how wide does the ring have to be?
[12:32:51] <zeeshan> 1/4"
[12:32:59] <zeeshan> oh
[12:33:02] <zeeshan> you mean in height
[12:33:04] <zeeshan> 7"
[12:33:08] <PetefromTn_> ah okay
[12:33:11] <zeeshan> pretty small
[12:33:29] <PetefromTn_> I was gonna suggest that you could use a tubing roller if it was like two or three inches wide
[12:33:53] <zeeshan> you know i have my bead roller
[12:34:01] <zeeshan> but i dont think itll handle 1/4"
[12:34:08] <zeeshan> and itll be a pain in the ass to make it round
[12:34:11] <zeeshan> cause its so wide
[12:34:12] <Duc> how much longer on the cnc lathe?
[12:34:30] <PetefromTn_> workin' on it today ;)
[12:34:59] <PetefromTn_> well I will be working on it if I can get my ass off this vacuum of a couch :D
[12:35:50] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/jP-9esIffY4?t=162
[12:35:52] <zeeshan> i need this!
[12:37:20] <zeeshan> i like his wood gauge
[12:37:21] <zeeshan> haha
[12:38:27] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSVoRycOhHM
[12:38:29] <zeeshan> holy shit
[12:38:33] <zeeshan> now thats a metal spinning machine
[12:38:40] <zeeshan> thats crazy.
[12:39:20] <PetefromTn_> well I better get something done here. BBL
[12:39:25] <Duc> Once I get the drives tuned I may try to use the mill as a mill turn
[12:40:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have done that a couple times now since I am Latheless hehe
[12:40:20] <PetefromTn_> it works okay but is kinda difficult to see what is going on
[12:43:42] <Duc> did you use a multiple post setup
[12:52:50] <PetefromTn_> no I thought about building one tho. At this point it is better to spend my time getting the CNC lathe working.
[12:52:54] <PetefromTn_> BBL guys
[13:16:21] <Frank___2> hey guys. i realize many of you work machining steels, how did you manage to start receiving orders/stuff to do? i am building a router, because i have a connection with a bazar franchise, thats why wood is more suitable for me.
[13:17:02] <archivist> getting orders is the hard part
[13:18:43] <Tom_itx> you should know someone that knows someone....
[13:19:17] <archivist> lurk in the right places on the internets
[13:20:15] <Tom_itx> zeeshan vaccuum form the dome
[13:20:19] <rob_h> think depends what you want todo.. volume/production or 1off prototype or low volume (5/10 etc)
[13:21:28] <archivist> or the stuff others cannot do
[13:21:41] <rob_h> but for that you need skills and alot do not have now days
[13:22:00] <rob_h> most new guys think if u can not CAM it or ask machine to do it it cant be done lol
[13:22:09] <rob_h> they forget you can make cutters to make shapes etc
[13:22:39] <archivist> making cutters was my seeeekwet
[13:23:01] <archivist> or I cheat and create gcode to interpolate
[13:23:02] <rob_h> place i was in few weeks back, they have 6 guys working tool grinders, regrinding tooling and making new tools for jobs
[13:24:03] <zeeshan> i hate production work
[13:24:36] <rob_h> think depends what it is etc
[13:25:00] <rob_h> also depends how much of it you can automate
[13:25:02] <zeeshan> imo, the benefit of production work is consistent work
[13:25:18] <zeeshan> thats true
[13:26:08] <rob_h> alot of it is very cut on price too some take it on just to keep machine bussy and people bussy
[13:26:56] <rob_h> and finding loyal customers is a very hard thing now days too
[13:27:12] <zeeshan> rob_h: i do a lot of prototyping
[13:27:24] <zeeshan> i never give away the dies
[13:27:27] <zeeshan> or fixtures
[13:27:28] <archivist> and nice paying loyal even harder
[13:27:39] <zeeshan> i am clear they are my property in the beginning (cause i help design them)
[13:27:44] <zeeshan> actually not help
[13:27:46] <zeeshan> i d esign them
[13:27:55] <zeeshan> and i give them an outright price if they want the fixture
[13:28:00] <zeeshan> =P
[13:28:04] <rob_h> yea nor do we on any jobs unless they pay for them which we just slap crazy prices on
[13:28:06] <rob_h> yea
[13:28:49] <zeeshan> but luckily ive only dealt with 3 jerks over the 6 years :D
[13:28:56] <zeeshan> most people are not back stabbers
[13:30:24] <archivist> I am finding a percentage not donating or saying thanks for scanned documents
[13:30:39] <rob_h> we have just starting putting LANG fixing on most machines now to speed up job location etc
[13:30:49] <zeeshan> LANG?
[13:30:52] <rob_h> working grate on 5th axis setups for sure. just G10 everything back
[13:31:05] <rob_h> http://www.lang-technovation.com/
[13:31:21] <rob_h> same as Zero points but much smaller and cheaper
[13:32:32] <zeeshan> how does it work?
[13:32:42] * zeeshan youtubes
[13:32:58] <zeeshan> lol
[13:32:59] <zeeshan> so simple
[13:33:01] <zeeshan> but so smart
[13:33:21] <rob_h> yep can build it up too
[13:33:48] <rob_h> pegs are cheap so not worth making them too just put them onto the jig or part etc away you go
[13:34:15] <zeeshan> is it pneumatic
[13:34:20] <zeeshan> or hydraulic for the pegs
[13:34:21] <rob_h> will put it onto the HMC tomb stones too
[13:34:24] <zeeshan> peg locking
[13:34:36] <rob_h> its allen key fitting, but they do a air fitting adapter thing too
[13:34:44] <zeeshan> ah
[13:34:52] <rob_h> as they have a robot that works to it also, pallet system which can undo it etc
[13:35:35] <archivist> not applicable to my tiny stuff
[13:35:51] <rob_h> ud loose it down the hole
[13:36:07] <Jymmm> archivist: ittybittytinyweeniepalletmovers.com
[13:37:15] <ReadError> hoping my MESA gear ships tomorrow
[13:37:23] <ReadError> imagine they are pretty backlogged
[13:43:00] <Duc> I need to get off my ass to sell my old mesa stuff
[13:43:30] <archivist> use them on more machines
[13:43:32] <Tom_L> what stuff?
[13:47:38] <Jymmm> What's the name of those valves that let air out but keep water in?
[13:48:36] <Tom_itx> float
[13:49:18] <archivist> separator or trap
[13:50:05] <archivist> or automatic bleed valve
[13:51:14] <Jymmm> Ah, that's it. thank you gentlemen!
[13:51:57] <Duc> 7i76 and 3 gecko 203V
[13:53:33] <archivist> so all the EU french speakers Index d'avoyage
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=thickness+meter
[13:55:19] <archivist> text also Pierre- Pertuis, Schrankmesslehre
[13:58:29] <_methods> Jymmm: if it's working correctly it's the anus valve
[13:58:59] <_methods> can be embarrassing if the valve fails
[14:06:02] <Jymmm> _methods: You know what, sometimes you're even worse than me.
[14:10:49] <_methods> hahah
[14:11:14] <_methods> now i know that i went too far
[14:13:53] <ReadError> you made rue_shop3 rage quit
[14:17:13] <Jymmm> _methods: I mean, sure sometimes I'll go NC17 or R, but you went straight to XXXX there!
[14:19:47] <_methods> go big or go home
[14:25:18] <Jymmm> Can I find ISO 228 or BSPP commonly in the US ?
[14:26:52] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1PCS-1-2-BSPP-Radiator-Linear-Type-Temperature-sensing-Valve-Male-and-Female/262128538471
[14:26:55] <_methods> yeah bspp isn't too crazy
[14:27:05] <Jymmm> Ok cool
[14:27:24] <_methods> a lot of people use them for water cooling computer fittings
[14:27:26] <Jymmm> big orange borg wants $100 and up
[14:27:32] <_methods> so the smaller ones are fairly common
[14:27:47] <Jymmm> computer fittings?
[14:27:54] <_methods> water cooling
[14:28:07] <Jymmm> isn't that usually 1/4 stuff though?
[14:28:12] <_methods> yeah smaller
[14:28:27] <_methods> but we get jobs with bspp and bspt stuff occasionaly
[14:28:34] <_methods> it's not as common as regular npt
[14:28:53] <_methods> but it's not like some crazy JIS standard or something
[14:29:14] <_methods> you'll pay more for bspp and bspt taps though since they aren't as common
[14:29:37] <Jymmm> ok, plumbing/pipe treads really mess with my head, WAY too many
[14:29:45] <Jymmm> threads*
[14:29:52] <_methods> yeah
[14:30:15] <archivist> bsp is more common!!
[14:30:26] <_methods> hahah
[14:30:34] <_methods> for you brit fruitcakes
[14:30:35] <zeeshan> i'll BSP you!
[14:30:54] <Jymmm> I got a junk compressor from the scrap yard for $5, had a snapped-off regulater (cast aluminum)...
[14:30:57] <archivist> actually bsp went ISO international :)
[14:31:30] <Jymmm> I took the torch to the broken fitting, the used a frog bit and came out easily...
[14:31:49] <archivist> yahboo sucks to npt which I dont think is ISO
[14:32:49] <Jymmm> One fitting I had fit PERFECTLY fully seated with about 10 turns, the other two turns if that and stopped. So I guess one is tapered, and the other isn't
[14:36:11] <Jymmm> I need one of those plates that have all the treads you can try it (male and female)
[14:37:47] <enleth> hey, that's actually a nice idea
[14:38:10] <enleth> doesn't sound hard to do
[14:38:47] <Jymmm> Like this but pipe threads, they have them at the local hardware store
http://www.amazon.com/METRIC-Gauges-Check-Thread-Fastener/dp/B0098JILSW
[14:39:25] <Jymmm> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81GgEcKdKBL._SY355_.jpg
[14:40:56] <enleth> another one for sorting allen keys would be nice too
[14:41:05] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I think the hardest part of doing this retrofit is figuring out where I want to put everything LOL
[14:43:50] <Duc> what are you trying to fit?
[14:44:03] <PetefromTn_> everything ;)
[14:44:12] <Duc> I hate laying out wire and then decided I would like it elsewhere
[14:44:16] <t12> fleamarket nice today
[14:44:26] <PetefromTn_> that is my problem too.
[14:44:28] <t12> got a kennedy box + random stuff in it for $40
[14:44:41] <PetefromTn_> I get it all where I THINK I want it then I go SHIT I should have put it there LOL
[14:45:01] <_methods> wow just a kennedy top box?
[14:45:07] <Duc> t12: Nice been wanting one of those boxes. I did by a Huot drill box - worth every penny
[14:45:09] <_methods> still a steal
[14:45:23] <Duc> do you have a thread on the lathe yet
[14:46:40] <PetefromTn_> naah I made a big thread for my CIncinatti Arrow 500 over on CNCzone and it was fun but I am just going to get this thing done here and maybe pop some pics in here once in awhile.
[14:46:52] <Duc> We have a victory - got the auto tuning on the yaskawa drives to work and it removed the high pitch squeal in the Y-axis
[14:47:04] <Duc> what type of cnc lathe was it
[14:47:42] <PetefromTn_> well it IS a Standard Modern 14x40 CNC lathe
[14:49:02] <Duc> Not to bad. at least its small enough to work on
[14:50:22] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/udGQTRK mine looks SOMETHING like this....
[14:51:15] <jdh> goign to reuse teh console?
[14:51:22] <Duc> you going to install multiple tool post or just use a single?
[14:51:32] <PetefromTn_> which console?
[14:51:45] <jdh> with the crt
[14:52:34] <PetefromTn_> I honestly do not have the pendant it was missing when I bought it which I am actually fine with because I want something different for it. Initially it will probably be just a keyboard and monitor sitting on top of the headstock tho untiL I get it running
[14:52:59] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/claw4dqwh182d3b/AADSA7aVvSFkKSkXfZRxEdeqa
[14:53:02] <t12> any idea what that red thing is
[14:53:21] <Duc> deburing pipping
[14:53:29] <Duc> usually copper or plastic
[14:53:31] <t12> one side for OD one side for ID?
[14:53:35] <PetefromTn_> I plan to use a quality qctp and a parting off post initially until I can get it running good and making parts then I plan to find or buy a nice toolchanger for the cross slide
[14:53:36] <Duc> yep
[14:53:38] <t12> cool
[14:54:01] <Duc> if you decided you no longer want the cnc project Ill take it off your hands
[14:54:08] <enleth> PetefromTn_: get one of those articulating monitor arms
[14:54:21] <PetefromTn_> enleth I actually have one LOL
[14:54:30] <PetefromTn_> its pretty heavy duty too
[14:54:50] <PetefromTn_> I was planning to use it on the Cincinatti but it just did not make sense anywhere
[14:55:04] <enleth> PetefromTn_: even better, if you're creative, you can fit a keyboard under the monitor too
[14:55:15] <PetefromTn_> I will probably just tig weld up something nice for the machine
[14:55:49] <PetefromTn_> Right now I just want it running so I can start using it to make parts/money LOL
[14:56:15] <PetefromTn_> I had to remove a bunch of stuff from the back and there was TONS of chips and crud in there and that took awhile
[14:56:47] <PetefromTn_> and I am repainting the machine for the most part so I can get it looking nice again. It really is a sweet lathe
[14:57:05] <PetefromTn_> Duc were you talking to me about no longer wanting the project?
[14:57:18] <Duc> yea I think Im the closest to you
[14:57:20] <Duc> lol
[14:57:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah sorry thats not gonna happen ;)
[14:57:51] <PetefromTn_> Where are you anyway?
[14:57:58] <Duc> Im in Huntsville AL
[14:58:09] <PetefromTn_> Oh thats not too far actually
[14:58:38] <PetefromTn_> I often drive to compete in a place called Pulaski just north of there for airgun competitions. Have not been in awhile tho
[14:59:22] <Duc> how far away are you
[14:59:50] <PetefromTn_> I am in Maryville, Tennessee
[14:59:59] <PetefromTn_> about 20 minutes south of KNoxvegas
[15:00:49] <Duc> so about 3 to 4 hrs
[15:00:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah something like that.
[15:01:07] <PetefromTn_> I also drive down to atlanta occasionally to shoot
[15:01:15] <PetefromTn_> well actually east of atlanta
[15:01:33] <PetefromTn_> Right now my rifle is not completed I still need to make a nice stock for it.
[15:01:52] <PetefromTn_> just got other things more important going on like getting this CNC lathe working hehe
[15:03:32] <Duc> how long have you been milking the cnc
[15:03:58] <PetefromTn_> which one?
[15:04:10] <PetefromTn_> and define milking
[15:04:30] <Duc> the cnc
[15:04:45] <Duc> putting the end off
[15:06:43] <PetefromTn_> I don't think I am putting the end of anything off I am just pretty busy with making parts/money and family stuff
[15:07:17] <PetefromTn_> I just finally got all the brand new parts and drives/motors etc for the CNC lathe a month or so ago before Christmas
[15:07:56] <Duc> which drives did you end up with
[15:08:11] <PetefromTn_> Shit is expensive to me so it takes me some time to gather all the stuff, this time the CNC lathe did not really have a bunch of factory parts I could sell so I had to scrape up the cash for everything
[15:08:20] <PetefromTn_> I went with all DMM drives and motors
[15:08:24] <PetefromTn_> cables etc
[15:08:31] <PetefromTn_> AC servo
[15:08:48] <Duc> I think we talked about them before since I almost bought some too
[15:08:59] <PetefromTn_> probably
[15:11:48] <Duc> Have you got them moving yet
[15:12:13] <PetefromTn_> hell no ;)
[15:12:47] <PetefromTn_> I am still kind of placing my boards and rails and finishing some painting etc.
[15:13:00] <PetefromTn_> working on the wiring scheme layout
[15:13:26] <PetefromTn_> Soon tho :D
[15:14:24] <Duc> lol
[15:14:48] <Duc> so your going to issues step and dir to them?
[15:15:10] <Erant> I have a metalurgy question. Sort of. I'm replacing my Z screw with a ballscrew. The way it currently works is there's dovetails on the front and an arm that goes around to the back of the column and there's a screw there.
[15:15:27] <Erant> In order to do the ballscrew I have to replace that arm.
[15:15:28] <PetefromTn_> why hell no
[15:15:47] <zeeshan> pete why is step dir bad?
[15:15:49] <zeeshan> and why hell no
[15:15:50] <zeeshan> :P
[15:15:51] <PetefromTn_> this will be an analog controlled machine
[15:16:04] <PetefromTn_> I never said it was BAD ;)
[15:16:04] <Erant> Any tips on what I should make the arm out of? 6061 ok? Or should I go for steel?
[15:16:43] <zeeshan> Erant: pics = 1000 words
[15:16:44] <zeeshan> :)
[15:16:50] <Duc> PetefromTn_: Thought those drives took step and dir or can they be used in analog system also
[15:17:07] <zeeshan> ive been asking here why step dir is bad
[15:17:08] <PetefromTn_> I am pretty sure there are a couple different ways to control them
[15:17:16] <zeeshan> but no concrete answer
[15:17:22] <zeeshan> i think step dir the more i read about it is better
[15:17:25] <zeeshan> cause less noise issues w/ it
[15:17:47] <zeeshan> if your drives have the ability to control the velocity loop w/ amicrocontroller on the drive
[15:17:47] <PetefromTn_> great so use it on your new CNC lathe!
[15:17:49] <zeeshan> why not :P
[15:17:53] <zeeshan> im planning to
[15:18:06] <zeeshan> if the drives support it
[15:18:06] <Duc> with Step and dir there is no sure way to verify they actually made the steps
[15:18:15] <zeeshan> duc what?
[15:18:15] <Duc> my old stepper motors would lose steps
[15:18:20] <zeeshan> im talking about servos
[15:18:24] <zeeshan> w/ a feedback going into the drive directly
[15:18:30] <Duc> ah
[15:18:46] <Duc> Maybe less control over the adjustments
[15:18:48] <zeeshan> i really want to play with ethercat for the lathe
[15:18:56] <ReadError> zeeshan, still no answer on it?
[15:18:58] <zeeshan> thats true to some degree
[15:19:14] <zeeshan> but usually drive manufacturers have software to let you configure all your pid stuff
[15:19:20] <zeeshan> ReadError: nope :P
[15:19:24] <Duc> zeeshan: you could always find the ethercat module for the yaskawa drives for me
[15:19:38] <zeeshan> ReadError: i think people think of step/dir as steppers cause its mostly used for that
[15:19:44] <zeeshan> but a lot of fieldbus drives use step dir as well
[15:19:46] <zeeshan> for servo
[15:20:08] <ReadError> i enabled analog in the software and the settings looked hard so i scratched that
[15:20:46] <Erant> zeeshan: Yeah, gimme a few mins.
[15:21:52] <Duc> what would the software let you tweak?
[15:43:32] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/2015/08/20/breakthrough-glass-3d-printing-platform-unveiled-by-neri-oxman-mit/ still can't print a window
[15:47:52] <Tom_itx> maybe a translucent shower door
[15:47:56] <ReadError> Duc, had a bunch of settings for it
[15:49:06] <Duc> ReadError: would be nice if they had easy, advance and expert settings
[15:53:27] <ReadError> zeeshan, maybe its some legacy stuff
[15:53:41] <zeeshan> ReadError: thats all i can think of.
[15:53:49] <zeeshan> you need more specialized hardware for ethercat :P
[15:53:59] <zeeshan> and step and dir
[15:54:10] <zeeshan> analog on the other hand has been around since like what the 60s?
[15:54:11] <zeeshan> :P
[15:58:07] <Tom_itx> zeeshan did you make a NY res to finish your lathe this year?
[15:58:26] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: it was on the list before the NY:P
[16:02:00] <bpuk> zeeshan: I've used both step/dir (well, CW/CCW) and analog on servos - neither one is 'better'. I tend to use step/dir where the drive is closing the position loop, and analog where the drive is closing the velocity or torque loop (but not position).
[16:02:48] <zeeshan> bpuk: wouldn't a digital signal be less susceptible to noise? making it better? :p
[16:03:36] <zeeshan> you can't close the position loop using step/dir?
[16:03:58] <zeeshan> (if the drive isn't closing the position loop)
[16:04:14] <bpuk> zeeshan: a serial signal with good ECC - sure, I've tuned, but not built, systems using that setup. step/dir I've not found to have noticably better noise resistance than analog
[16:05:22] <bpuk> you can close the position loop using step dir if your encoders are feeding back to the controller - but in that case, you're essentially feeding the drive a pwm signal - which often, gets smoothed out with an RC filter inside the drive, leaving a 0-10v analog signal anyway
[16:05:54] <bpuk> (that's if the drive is a velocity mode drive, being fed step-dir)
[16:05:56] <Erant> bpuk: I'm using STEP/DIR with my servos over CAT-5 with differential signalling. Seems to work fine.
[16:06:04] <Erant> Position control on the drive
[16:06:40] <bpuk> but would you use step/dir if you needed to control torque?
[16:07:26] <zeeshan> bpuk: see even though it becomes an analog signal back inside the drive
[16:07:45] <zeeshan> i like the fact that with a differential step/dir signal, you have some sort of error checking
[16:07:56] <zeeshan> to make sure the signal got communicated right
[16:08:01] <zeeshan> but w/ analog you don't have that ability
[16:08:30] <zeeshan> maybe this is why all the new machines come with some sort of fieldbus realtime driven drives
[16:08:56] <bpuk> can send a 0-10v differentially - balanced audio is the classic example
[16:09:05] <zeeshan> thats what im doign right now
[16:09:08] <zeeshan> i havent had noise issues
[16:09:31] <zeeshan> i guess the signal got transmitted wrong, the position loop at the controller would error out
[16:09:34] <zeeshan> cause it lost position
[16:09:34] <bpuk> fieldbus has other advantages - being able to configure the drive over the serial comms is really useful
[16:09:53] <zeeshan> bpuk: but you can remote into a computer and do the same? :)
[16:10:18] <zeeshan> im using modbus for my vfd to configure and read parameterrs
[16:10:27] <zeeshan> which is really useful
[16:10:42] <ReadError> i dont get torque control really
[16:10:45] <zeeshan> just trying to make a decision on my lathe retrofit
[16:10:49] <zeeshan> on what system to go with
[16:10:58] <ReadError> it makes more sense to say I want to be at this spot at this time
[16:11:02] <zeeshan> i do not want to give up position control to be left to the drive.
[16:11:08] <zeeshan> i want linuxcnc to deal with position control
[16:12:07] <Tom_itx> what sort of encoder is on the lathe spindle?
[16:12:30] <zeeshan> some fanuc
[16:14:29] <bpuk> sorry, headed afk a second - sure, but how many extra feet of wire do I need to have both serial (for the config) and step/dir/analog. on a small machine, probably not a lot - on a big machine... could be a bit
[16:15:15] <bpuk> ReadError: You're thinking machine tools - consider an extruder - torque control is often used to maintain a constant plastic pressure between the screw and the gear pump
[16:16:02] <zeeshan> torque control always handled within the drive right?
[16:16:17] <zeeshan> it has to be :P
[16:16:40] <bpuk> pretty much - you could handle torque control using say... DC servo's - where the drive is as dumb as can be
[16:18:07] <bpuk> So you're looking at the torque and velocity loops being closed by the drive, and linuxcnc closing the position loop? Serial, PWM, analog are the three 'logical' options - but there is little difference between step/dir and pwm as velocity controls go. you potentially gain differential signalling, but it'll probably be converted into analog inside the drive
[16:20:53] <bpuk> ReadError: Another example would be a lathe spindle, but that'd probably be velocity mode - unless you've got an indexing spindle, why send position information at all - read the position for threading, but otherwise run purely in velocity mode
[16:23:45] <bpuk> zeeshan: To be honest, if you are using modern drives with fieldbus (or similar) control and you can interface that to linuxcnc - why the heck not.
[16:24:05] <zeeshan> id like to do it for the experience
[16:24:12] <zeeshan> never played with modern drives
[16:24:46] <bpuk> they've gotta beat tacho's on the motors :P
[16:24:58] <zeeshan> haha
[16:25:23] <bpuk> that was a _horrible_ machine to fix - tacho's for speed feedback, LVDT's for position feedback *shudder*
[16:25:38] <zeeshan> my mill uses tachos :D
[16:25:47] <bpuk> aieeee!
[16:26:08] <bpuk> I'll stick with resolvers whenever I can :P
[16:26:17] <Deejay> gn8
[16:27:31] <Erant> zeeshan:
http://imgur.com/a/zeKRb
[16:28:01] <zeeshan> white thing is the arm?
[16:28:07] <Erant> Right.
[16:28:07] <zeeshan> L bracke t
[16:28:12] <Erant> It's bolted onto the head
[16:28:25] <Erant> Head's about 30lbs, probably.
[16:28:27] <Erant> Not that heavy
[16:28:54] <zeeshan> any reason you dont want to use steel?
[16:29:42] <Erant> My machine's a little limited, never done steel before. I'll probably use steel, but I was curious if I _had_ to.
[16:30:07] <zeeshan> just make i t double thickness :P
[16:30:39] <Erant> I almost have to anyway, to accomodate the ballnut...
[16:31:20] <Duc> just take light cuts with your machine
[16:33:17] <Erant> Right, I was going to aim for ~6IPM.
[16:34:46] <Duc> how much material do you need to remove
[16:36:03] <Erant> Euhm, let's see. Couple of mounting holes, so that's just drilling.
[16:36:27] <Erant> Small counterbores, nothing major. The big hole is the one for the ballnut. Which is 3/4" in diameter, all the way through.
[16:37:32] <Duc> nothing sounds bad
[16:37:48] <Duc> just slowly increase drill bit sizes till you get to 3/4
[16:37:52] <jdh> or buy a bolt-on ballnut mount
[16:38:14] <bpuk> or use a boring head (if you have one)
[16:38:50] <Erant> I was going to just bore with a 3/8" end mill.
[16:39:03] <Erant> Or at least, after I run out of drill sizes.
[16:40:54] <Erant> Hmm... Is the ballnut going to reverse drive the screw (2mm lead) when the servo's off?
[16:42:39] <bpuk> Probably not. If it does, stick an adjustable gas spring under the head - release pressure until it holds still. That's assuming your servo isn't breaked
[16:44:55] <Erant> Sounds like a plan.
[16:45:39] <bpuk> if you were using linear guides - I'd guess it probably would - but on dovetails I wouldn't worry too much at this point
[16:52:59] <pink_vampire> hi.
[16:55:40] <Duc> hello
[16:59:10] <pink_vampire> Erant: what kind a machine do you have?
[17:00:33] <pink_vampire> someone know aboud din rail computer that can run linux cnc
[17:02:27] <jdh> slap some din mounts on mini-itx case
[17:03:50] <Erant> pink_vampire: Micro mill, so, tiny. Chinese, not anything great but it's pretty true and does what I need it to.
[17:04:31] <Erant> The Z axis is a little... meh. So I'm replacing it with a ballscrew.
[17:04:38] <pink_vampire> jdh: I want dual serial or 485
[17:05:07] <pink_vampire> Erant: what is the model of the machine?
[17:05:42] <Erant> It's the LittleMachineShop.com branded Sieg SX1P
[17:05:47] <jdh> http://www.mini-box.com/Din-Rail-mounting-kit-for-M350
[17:05:55] <jdh> someone actually sells them for that
[17:06:33] <Tom_itx> seems like alot of weight for a din mount
[17:07:21] <jdh> I have some rail at work that would probably hold me. And some that barely holds terminal blocks
[17:07:42] <Tom_itx> i'd be more concerned with the plastic
[17:09:46] <pink_vampire> my din rails connct with steel inserts so nothing going to move..
[17:10:11] <Jymmm> Interesting... a recirculating pump that doesn't require a 3rd line...
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Watts-Hot-Water-Recirculating-System-with-Built-In-Timer-500800/100426993
[17:12:02] <pink_vampire> I need help to find single board computer, or din rail mounted computer with 2 ports of RS232 or RS485 and X86 cpu
[17:13:05] <SpeedEvil> why x86?
[17:13:10] * Jymmm crazyglues din rail to back of his 486DX50 and sells it to pink_vampire for ONE MILLION DOLLARS
[17:14:39] <pink_vampire> just $1M
[17:14:50] <Jymmm> Holiday discounted
[17:14:53] <Erant> Jymmm: Wait wait.
[17:14:57] <Erant> With or without the turbo button...
[17:15:46] <Jymmm> Erant: Turbo button WITH custom cobalt blue 7seg HI/LO led
[17:16:01] <Erant> Woohoo! :)
[17:16:14] <pink_vampire> I want RS485 (serial input/output)
[17:16:28] <Jymmm> you said 2xRS232
[17:16:55] <Jymmm> it has that AND a paraport AND VGA and monochrome for dual displays!
[17:16:55] <pink_vampire> [17:47:23] <pink_vampire> I need help to find single board computer, or din rail mounted computer with 2 ports of RS232 or RS485 and X86 cpu
[17:17:02] <Jymmm> monochrome crt not included
[17:17:06] <pink_vampire> "with 2 ports of RS232 or RS485 and X86 cpu "
[17:17:37] <pink_vampire> I can work with rs232 or rs485
[17:18:04] <Jymmm> Need a UPS?
http://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS2
[17:19:29] <Erant> pink_vampire: What about just an RS232 <-> RS485 converter?
[17:22:38] <pink_vampire> Erant: I need 2 ports of rs232 -OR- rs485 on the computer.. I don't care which one
[17:23:23] <pink_vampire> about ups.. I will run it anyway from ups.
[17:24:40] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: something like this?
http://www.mini-box.com/Jetway-JNF83-AMD-HUDSON-D3
[17:26:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mini-box.com/Jetway-JNC9NDL-2550
[17:26:45] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: very nice.
[17:27:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.logicsupply.com/products/components/motherboards/mini-itx/
[17:29:32] <pink_vampire> thanks!!
[17:29:39] <pink_vampire> <3
[17:36:34] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[17:36:47] <PetefromTn_> I was just out there working on the CNC lathe build
[17:37:05] <PetefromTn_> and I have been kind dreading a problem with the homes and limit switches
[17:37:32] <PetefromTn_> when I bought the machine all the electronics in the electronics cabinet was removed save for a few items
[17:38:06] <PetefromTn_> and the jackhole who gutted it just took a bolt cutter or something and cut all the wires where they enter into the electronics cabinet in these environmental connectors
[17:38:49] <PetefromTn_> I figured that I would be looking at cutting and splicing a BUNCH of wires together to be able to lengthen them to reach where they will be needing to go into the electronics cabinet
[17:39:20] <PetefromTn_> this would of course include the homes and limits which are those commercial sealed switches and heavy shielded wires
[17:39:29] <Duc> shit that sucks
[17:39:53] <PetefromTn_> Today I was crawling around under the machine trying to loosen up the wire chase end to remove and clean the wires and look into lengthening them
[17:40:10] <PetefromTn_> I found this access panel with like ten button head screws on it
[17:40:15] <PetefromTn_> I removed the panel
[17:40:22] <PetefromTn_> attached to the panel was a buss block
[17:40:56] <PetefromTn_> all of the wires that went to the carriage ended at this bus block and then pass thru continuing into the electronics enclosure
[17:41:34] <PetefromTn_> So I was very pleased to know that all I will have to do is replace the wires FROM the buss block to the electronics cabinet which is probably something like six feet or so
[17:41:35] <CaptHindsight> and probably <6" from the spot he snipped them :)
[17:41:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah the guy just gutted and cut his way thru everything
[17:42:05] <PetefromTn_> I knew this when I bought it tho
[17:42:15] <Duc> can you fit a sealed tubing connector between the two panels
[17:42:31] <PetefromTn_> the only real issue is there are several things coming the electronics cabinet from the headstock
[17:42:32] <CaptHindsight> there was a factory recycler near me that would buy up entire few year old factory floors....
[17:43:02] <PetefromTn_> there does not need to be any sealing here duc this is all INSIDE the base of the machine
[17:43:24] <Duc> ok
[17:43:35] <PetefromTn_> anyway there is a lubrication pump on the headstock back end that the guy cut the wires to
[17:43:37] <Duc> why did the guy cut the cables like that
[17:43:40] <CaptHindsight> filled with robots and CNC. The monkeys they hired to remove equipment would cut through anything and everything including control wiring to remove things
[17:43:41] <Duc> ssending to scrap
[17:43:44] <PetefromTn_> because he is an azzhole
[17:44:25] <PetefromTn_> so this lubrication pump goes into the headstock oil bath and there is a wire coming from it into the electronics cabinet
[17:44:35] <PetefromTn_> he cut it off just inside the cabinet
[17:44:46] <Jymmm> Yeah, cause he knows his shit and gonna spent 4 extra hours disconnecting and labeling each damn wire then sell it to you for les than he paid for it
[17:44:46] <CaptHindsight> until they realized that the monkeys were cutting through >$500 factory cables nd made testing and resell more difficult
[17:44:50] <PetefromTn_> so I will have to patch that one at the pump somehow and lengethen it
[17:45:25] <PetefromTn_> there is also the built in spindle encoder wires which were cut the same way just inside the electronics cabinet
[17:45:27] <Duc> I can only see the need to cut power cables to remove a machine
[17:45:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Testing "It powers up".
[17:45:50] <CaptHindsight> Duc: monkeys don't know that
[17:45:55] <PetefromTn_> that one won't be too bad tho because it has a barrel style connector on the sensor
[17:46:03] <PetefromTn_> I can just repin that and make it with a longer wire
[17:46:26] <PetefromTn_> there is another wire coming from the headstock that goes to the electronics cabinet. again it was cut
[17:46:30] <CaptHindsight> they treat robots like plants in the jungle, you just chop away until its free
[17:46:31] <PetefromTn_> not really sure what it is for
[17:46:41] <PetefromTn_> it just goes into the headstock casing
[17:46:55] <PetefromTn_> I have not pulled the headstock casing cover off yet to see what it is
[17:47:05] <PetefromTn_> probably a thermal sensor or something I suppose
[17:47:05] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: IF they did it right, you couldn't afford the machine =)
[17:47:15] <PetefromTn_> probably not
[17:47:29] <PetefromTn_> None of this is a huge problem really
[17:47:44] <PetefromTn_> and most of the stuff is getting replaced with brand new cables and wires anyway
[17:47:48] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: So next time you're doen there, just toss em a bunch of bananas and be happy about it =)
[17:48:30] <PetefromTn_> There is also a small harness that goes down to the tailstock end of the base where there is a coolant trough and this must have been for the coolant pump
[17:48:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.aspx/productId/13089/Partner-K-12FD-Fire-Rescue-Saw-Saw-w-12-Blade/ this is all you need to remove CNC machines or robots
[17:49:04] <CaptHindsight> and a sledge hammer
[17:49:10] <PetefromTn_> That harness was also cut but luckily there was a lot of this cable kinda sitting inside the access panel and I think it is more than long enough to reach once I rearrange the routing a bit
[17:49:43] <PetefromTn_> I removed the slightly damaged cable chain protector from the machine today for the first time
[17:49:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 8lb maul is all you need
[17:49:52] <PetefromTn_> it has a bad spot near the end
[17:50:18] <PetefromTn_> I THINK I can cut that bad spot out and shorten it and still have full travel but I have to check it out
[17:50:24] <CaptHindsight> I'm surprised that they just didn't pull in with a backhoe and just started ripping
[17:50:35] <PetefromTn_> Right now I need to clean the gunk and shit off of it
[17:50:37] <Duc> is it a metal cable chain or plastic
[17:50:43] <PetefromTn_> and get it looking all pretty
[17:50:54] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: It slices, it dices, it chops, it smashes...
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/6c/6c1e80aa-8a7b-4783-aa28-e78c8a830e52_400.jpg
[17:50:55] <PetefromTn_> it is actually a metal chain rectangular
[17:51:11] <PetefromTn_> it was probably quite nice at one point
[17:52:22] <PetefromTn_> I don't know what hit it but it is now not coolant proof in that area so I need to either shorten it if I can reach all the way with the shortened setup or replace it with something else
[17:53:13] <Duc> Should be a easy ebay item to find
[17:53:40] <PetefromTn_> maybe I have not tried yet dunno what you would search for
[17:54:04] <t12> husqvarna everywhere
[17:55:28] <Jymmm> t12: chainsaw gocart!
[17:56:19] <PetefromTn_> http://www.lulusoso.com/upload/20120306/steel_energy_chain.jpg kinda looks like this shit
[17:56:35] <Jymmm> t12: cordless drill powered bicycle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC3rB9f7DaU
[17:57:01] <PetefromTn_> http://3.imimg.com/data3/UY/FB/MY-4696087/steel-conduflex-cable-drag-chain-250x250.jpg
[17:57:02] <Duc> was it originally water proof
[17:57:55] <PetefromTn_> http://www.blissyih.com.tw/16-flexible_carrier.jpg this looks almost exactly like it
[17:58:35] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3YCACZQ72Q
[17:58:41] <t12> vs demo saw
[17:59:08] <t12> lollin @ dewalt
[17:59:21] <t12> i like the color coordinates front basket
[17:59:26] <t12> coordinated
[18:00:29] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxBlT1HcyZY
[18:00:30] <Duc> wonder what their prices are for the carrier cable
[18:00:31] <CaptHindsight> t12: I'm waiting for the front and rear bumper mounted version
[18:02:25] <t12> also lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi5InG3hMQU
[18:04:22] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0R3NMCaYdA I used to get mine to go >50mph on its 25cc motor
[18:07:45] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if I can beat/pound/persuade this cable chain back into service in the bad area
[18:07:52] <malcom2073> I have no sound, so that video just looked like a guy riding a skateboard
[18:07:56] <malcom2073> why did he keep pushing it if it has a motor?
[18:08:16] <CaptHindsight> probably had trouble starting it
[18:08:41] <CaptHindsight> no clutch, direct drive chain
[18:08:52] <malcom2073> Ah yeah
[18:10:30] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073:
http://s442.photobucket.com/user/jampro_usa/media/motorbdchaindrive.jpg.html
[18:10:46] <malcom2073> yeah
[18:33:48] * zeeshan hates quoting for design time
[18:44:02] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/SAYUH
[18:44:05] <zeeshan> finally modeling done!!!!!!!!!1
[18:45:38] <Tom_itx> is it supposed to do something?
[18:47:06] <zeeshan> i dont think he'd be to happy if i revealed that
[18:47:19] <zeeshan> hes okay with showing off the cad
[18:47:32] <zeeshan> i really need to invest in a 3d scanner
[18:47:41] <zeeshan> the most time consuming part was modeling that silly plastic housing
[18:47:52] <zeeshan> and making the pieces to fit between the dome and the plastic housing
[18:48:06] <zeeshan> its all parametric now, so if the dome curvuture changes, all the pieces update
[18:52:12] <Tom_itx> you gonna build it all?
[18:53:29] <zeeshan> thats the plan
[18:53:34] <zeeshan> i gotta outsource the dome and the ring
[18:53:42] <zeeshan> the plates i can do here
[18:54:37] <SpeedEvil> what is it?
[18:55:00] <zeeshan> mirror mirror in the wall
[18:55:13] <zeeshan> whos the fairest of them all?
[19:06:12] <malcom2073> Your mom
[19:07:28] <zeeshan> haha
[19:07:35] <zeeshan> perfectly executed
[19:16:54] <Erant> Hmm.
[19:18:10] <Erant> So I bought my ballscrew (
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181968913568). It comes with the end bearing thingies, but it's hard to tell what kind of bearings they are:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/sFYAAOSweW5VK8Ob/s-l500.jpg
[19:18:37] <Erant> Is there a general rule with kind of bearing that is? Axial? Radial?
[19:20:49] <PetefromTn_> most of the time you will have a pair of angular contacts on the fixed and and a plain bearing on the floating end
[19:24:23] <Erant> k. So the fixed end has two angled bearings then usually (As in, axial both directions)?
[19:24:54] <Erant> I'll just wait on 'm in that case, and design the housing around whatever comes with it.
[19:26:39] <PetefromTn_> Man I just realized I forgot to order the damn Din Rail mounts for the 7i77 card. I need them to mount the board so I can start wiring this thing SIGH
[19:48:10] <Kevin`> are there any pci-e fpga cards supported by linuxcnc?
[19:48:23] <malcom2073> The 6i25 is
[19:48:48] <Kevin`> you sure? it's not on the wiki
[19:49:13] <malcom2073> Erm, I've heard here of people using it so I assumed it was...
[19:49:17] <malcom2073> PCW can tell you for sure
[19:49:25] * Kevin` pokes PCW
[19:50:34] <Kevin`> also, can I install the software necessary for real time testing on debian?
[19:53:55] <Tom_itx> it's the same as teh 5i25 only PCIe
[19:54:36] <Tom_itx> you use the 5i25 bitfiles for both
[19:55:20] <Tom_itx> iirc one install is wheezy
[20:00:18] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
[20:02:53] <Kevin`> diff rtai preempt-rt?
[20:11:30] <Tom_itx> go with rtai unless you need preempt-rt
[20:16:47] <zeeshan> anyone here own a fry maker?
[20:25:34] <Tom_itx> to cut them?
[20:26:29] <zeeshan> yes
[20:26:31] <zeeshan> and peel
[20:26:40] <Tom_itx> make yourself a potatoe gun and put a mesh on the end
[20:26:54] <Tom_itx> peels are good fer ya
[20:27:02] <zeeshan> haha
[20:27:04] <zeeshan> thats not a bad idea
[20:27:08] <zeeshan> potatoe gun w/ mesh on the end
[20:27:09] <zeeshan> haha
[20:27:11] <malcom2073> peels are delicious
[20:27:18] <Tom_itx> seriously that's how it is commercially done
[20:27:25] <Tom_itx> they pump them thru a tube with water
[20:27:29] <zeeshan> oh
[20:27:46] <Tom_itx> tumble them in a drum to remove the skins first
[20:27:57] <zeeshan> perforated drum right?
[20:28:03] <Tom_itx> yeah
[20:28:34] <Tom_itx> http://www.meatprocessingproducts.com/fma-13443.html?gclid=CJTFxcKIj8oCFYVAaQodqtMFVA
[20:29:18] <Tom_itx> http://www.webstaurantstore.com/choice-3-8-french-fry-cutter-potato-cutter/40747713.html?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=GoogleShopping&gclid=CMbLpteIj8oCFYcBaQodm2IELw
[20:30:56] <zeeshan> i was seeing reviews on that second link
[20:31:00] <zeeshan> its apparently garbage
[20:31:06] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Those are a pita to use btw
[20:31:27] <Tom_itx> yeah i like the potatoe gun idea better
[20:31:55] <Tom_itx> 'buckshot'
[20:32:15] <Jymmm> that would be called tator tots =)
[20:32:25] <Jymmm> cause there would be nuttin left =)
[20:32:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I think this what you were wanting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQzFhpxMdFo
[20:33:18] <malcom2073> slitmaster
[20:33:34] <malcom2073> I guess slicemaster is taken?
[20:34:00] <Jymmm> I'd liek to knwo how loud it is
[20:34:39] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyK02WTJ4W8
[20:34:43] <Jymmm> and more so how easy it is to clean
[20:37:51] <zeeshan> i love me some freedom fries
[20:41:52] <Kevin`> does rtai work on amd64? rtai page says yes, linuxcnc page less clear
[20:42:36] <Tom_itx> pretty sure but you'd have to try it on your mb
[20:43:40] <Tom_itx> you could ask in the dev channel
[20:43:56] <Kevin`> what's that
[20:44:02] <Tom_itx> linuxcnc-devel
[20:44:06] <Tom_itx> #
[20:45:52] <Tom_itx> i've only used rtai
[20:46:46] <zeeshan> i dont want to go to work
[20:46:49] <zeeshan> this time off was great
[20:46:53] <zeeshan> :{
[20:47:03] <Tom_itx> heh
[20:47:09] <malcom2073> I can't wait to get back to work
[20:47:19] <zeeshan> upcoming 4 months will be crazy
[20:47:19] <Tom_itx> it was nice
[20:47:35] <zeeshan> i have a course to do ;/
[20:47:45] <zeeshan> malcom2073: f work!!
[20:47:45] <zeeshan> :P
[20:47:51] <malcom2073> zeeshan: f money too
[20:47:54] <zeeshan> haha
[20:50:53] <jdh> I've been off for almost 3 wks. tomorrow will be bad.
[20:51:34] <zeeshan> hehe
[20:52:00] <zeeshan> same here, about 3 weeks
[20:52:10] <zeeshan> i dont remember what i was working on at work :P
[20:52:21] <Tom_itx> i bet they will remind you
[20:52:41] <Tom_itx> and now it's 3 weeks closer to due
[20:53:10] <zeeshan> i wrote some notes before i left
[20:53:15] <zeeshan> cause i knew this would happen :P
[20:53:22] <jdh> I half wrote some code before I left
[20:53:56] <zeeshan> i hope you commented :P
[20:54:06] <jdh> self-documenting code
[20:54:12] <Kevin`> does this look ok or should I think about getting a new computer?
http://kwzs.be/~kevin/linuxcnc-test.png
[20:54:43] <jdh> pport or mesa/etc?
[20:55:05] <Kevin`> either, haven't bought hardware yet
[20:56:20] <Tom_itx> looks high to me but i'm no expert
[20:56:40] <jdh> same here.
[20:59:42] <Kevin`> i'll go through my pile of old pcs and see if something tests well
[21:01:30] <PetefromTn_> I like my part time job but I have been enjoying the time off here I got a lot of work done in the shop the last few days.
[21:10:14] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/NxXbwBP - the most unusual harmonic drive
[21:15:28] <pink_vampire> there is a good glue to connect thermistors to metal?
[21:15:59] <jdh> thermal paste and a clamp?
[21:17:09] <pink_vampire> I need to connect it to the G302X
[21:17:55] <Tom_itx> http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/specialized-maintenance-repair/exhaust-system-repair/permatex-muffler-tailpipe-sealer-detail
[21:18:25] * Jymmm hands Tom_itx a roll of duct tape
[21:18:49] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3CffV7VkOQ
[21:18:59] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: RTV
[21:19:12] <Tom_itx> high temp rtv
[21:19:15] <Tom_itx> ^^
[21:19:25] <Jymmm> it's a gecko, not 1200F
[21:20:35] <pink_vampire> maybe I will put it in bass tube and use j-b weld
[21:21:19] <Jymmm> Don't use JBweld in high temps
[21:21:49] <Jymmm> AND it's conductive, at least till cured
[21:22:42] <Jymmm> Oh, and the JB-Weld plant manager is a really nice guy!
[21:24:35] <pink_vampire> after 120C the gecko will die anyway...
[21:25:14] <pink_vampire> normaly thay 30-50C max
[21:30:00] <pink_vampire> someone use scaler here?
[21:30:56] <pink_vampire> ultrasonic scaler..
[21:33:27] <malcom2073> There's thermal glues
[21:33:36] <malcom2073> digikey has some, I use it for gluing heatsinks to chips
[21:34:41] <pink_vampire> I'm going to make plate to mount the thermistor and use abit of normal paste.
[21:35:02] <malcom2073> Also, I thought geckos didn't need heatsinks, just airflow?
[21:35:09] <jdh> sounds familiar
[21:36:05] <malcom2073> Maybe that was the G540 only
[21:36:18] <pink_vampire> I have 5 fans.
[21:36:46] <jdh> c'mon, we are all your fans.
[21:37:13] <pink_vampire> Awwww
[21:37:23] <pink_vampire> <3
[21:39:31] <malcom2073> Nope that was the G540:
http://www.geckodrive.com/g540-heatsinking
[21:48:20] <pink_vampire> this is the heatsinks
[21:48:34] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/2Y6sUDI.png
[21:51:01] <Jymmm> WOOHOO 3D printer addon...
http://www.frys.com/product/8220776
[21:52:34] <pink_vampire> jdh: malcom2073 ^
[21:53:09] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ????
[21:53:30] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: That should do it
[21:53:44] <pink_vampire> I'm sure..
[22:13:52] <trentster> Kevin`: Some times the bios settings can have a huge impact on latency. Its worth optimising the bios and re-testing
[22:14:20] <trentster> I know for me this dropped my latency results by 80% on 2 different pc's
[23:25:18] <Kevin`> trentster: i'll ask you about that, but gonna have to be tomorrow, sleep then work
[23:45:18] <XXCoder> hey fellow machinists
[23:46:26] <XXCoder> Jymmm: easy enough to add yeah heh make it adder-subtractor cnc machine
[23:47:09] <Jymmm> XXCoder: With the SAME precision too
[23:47:53] <XXCoder> cant wait for days when 3d printer get .0001" precision
[23:48:05] <XXCoder> so we all can make custom cases for devices for example
[23:49:26] <Jymmm> Have you ever seen hoppers? You know, where you fill each bin up with whatever and dispense form the bottom? Much liek the bilk food bins?
[23:49:36] <Jymmm> bulk food*
[23:49:45] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:50:30] <XXCoder> what about it?
[23:50:36] <Jymmm> Could you imagine filling the bins with polymers, rubbers, metal ores, etc.... you could print a car including gaskets fro the ground up, even the battery too
[23:51:40] <XXCoder> in time ships book it has tech that can print anything, including living things
[23:52:17] <Jymmm> That would be the day that I need to have a very close inspection of the working end on my firearms
[23:53:02] <XXCoder> actually it was human offshoot that it was printing. they made their own ultraadvanced tech and have their own dyson sphere
[23:54:48] <Jymmm> If I want hu-mon offshoot, I'll do it the old fashion way...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X79-kc4NSpM
[23:55:15] <XXCoder> you ever read classic 1960s time machine book?
[23:55:42] <Jymmm> book? What is this 'book' thing you speak of?
[23:56:05] <Jymmm> (Nah, I'm not really a fictional reader)
[23:56:12] <XXCoder> lol ojk
[23:56:18] <Jymmm> I know of the book
[23:56:24] <Jymmm> HG Wells
[23:56:38] <XXCoder> its decent for such a old book.
[23:56:50] <Jymmm> and a replica was on big bang
[23:56:51] <XXCoder> time ships is direct sequel by different author
[23:57:19] <Jymmm> http://colemanzone.com/images%284%29/Big%20Bang%20Theory/1.jpg
[23:57:49] <XXCoder> man I want to build a mini model. however I think I want book version. less complex but yeah
[23:58:01] <Jymmm> XXCoder: print it =)
[23:58:07] <XXCoder> that machine was restored from BAD condition
[23:58:23] <XXCoder> few changes
[23:59:17] <XXCoder> http://www.hollywoodlostandfound.net/props/timemachine.html
