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[00:08:01] <Flipp_> hey all, quick supernoob question about using a manual (i.e. non-cnc) lathe
[00:08:18] <ReadError> hey me too
[00:08:25] <Flipp_> if you have a turret full of different tools, how do you find the X axis zero for each?
[00:08:26] <ReadError> endmill as boring bar okay?
[00:09:12] <cradek> on a manual lathe you usually make a cut, measure it, then work relative to that using the dial on the cross slide
[00:09:51] <cradek> ReadError: sure, if part of it is in the way, just grind it off
[00:10:07] <cradek> you can bore with just about anything
[00:11:05] <ReadError> yea, need to do smaller holes (6.35mm) seems tooling is pretty limited around that size
[00:12:03] <cradek> yeah if you don't care to buy a real boring bar, try a 1/4 two flute end mill with one flute ground off a bit
[00:12:24] <cradek> very carefully get the remaining point on the centerline
[00:13:37] <os1r1s> cradek Would you say the same thing on a CNC mill? That a boring bar is more appropriate than a circular pattern with an endmill?
[00:13:48] <os1r1s> Curious ...
[00:14:28] <ReadError> worried about alignment doing it on the mill
[00:28:17] <cradek> sometimes a boring head is the appropriate tool to use on a cnc (or manual) mill
[00:29:05] <cradek> a boring head makes rounder holes than probably any other method
[00:29:27] <os1r1s> cradek Very interesting
[00:29:35] <XXCoder> isnt there lapping
[00:29:39] <cradek> roughing with helical interpolation with an endmill and then finishing with a boring head is a useful technique if you need the hole to be round
[00:29:43] <XXCoder> which seems to make real smooth holes
[00:32:51] <Flipp_> cradek: makes sense. What about on a CNC then? I guess you have to find out tool offsets somehow?
[00:34:58] <archivist> other method, mount on a rotary table use an end mill but dont interpolate xy, rotate the table
[00:36:15] <zeeshan> archivist: i wish you were around earlier
[00:36:21] <zeeshan> i wa slooking for precision hex keys
[00:36:35] <zeeshan> ended up getting some wiha ones
[00:37:05] <archivist> never heard of that make
[00:37:11] <zeeshan> german
[00:37:19] <archivist> wera ?
[00:37:25] <ReadError> for smaller ones, MIPS are great
[00:37:31] <zeeshan> on wiha
[00:37:33] <zeeshan> *no
[00:37:34] <zeeshan> wiha
[00:38:23] <zeeshan> http://www.wihatools.ca/precision-tech-sets/954-hex-metric-technicians-precision-7-piece-set.html
[00:38:25] <zeeshan> those
[00:39:44] <archivist> expensive
[00:40:00] <zeeshan> they were 22 bux on ebay
[00:43:08] <zeeshan> do you know of a good brand
[00:43:12] <zeeshan> that make these sort of tools
[00:43:20] <os1r1s> zeeshan I like wiha fwiw
[00:43:26] <archivist> I tend to use any I can find :)
[00:43:26] <zeeshan> os1r1s: awesome!
[00:43:32] <zeeshan> its their first tool im buying
[00:43:34] <zeeshan> ive heard of wera
[00:43:39] <zeeshan> but icouldnmt find the correct sizes by wera
[00:43:41] <os1r1s> zeeshan I have about 10-20 of their drivers
[00:44:08] <archivist> local tool merchant has wera
[00:44:40] <ReadError> zeeshan
http://miponline.com/store/mip9007.html
[00:44:57] <ReadError> the way these are shapped and sized, great for removing stripped screws etc
[00:45:07] <ReadError> ive never had them round a screw
[00:45:56] <zeeshan> looks nice
[00:45:59] <zeeshan> expensive though! :D
[00:46:03] <zeeshan> for the set
[00:47:09] <archivist> I have some xacto hex for english sizes
[00:47:53] <zeeshan> im repairing some dial calipers
[00:48:05] <zeeshan> mitutoyo use some tiny hex
[00:52:25] <archivist> I repaired a bore gauge the other day, it needed a session in the ultrasonic to get rid of the sticky oil
[00:52:47] <renesis> is the nurburgring still open?
[00:52:56] <zeeshan> nice
[00:53:09] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_12_21_Baty_bore_gauge/img_2019.jpg
[00:54:06] <zeeshan> very nice
[00:54:27] <renesis> http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/18/nurburgring-speed-limits-lifted-2016/
[00:54:33] <renesis> they gonna flat the bumps
[01:01:17] <os1r1s> w00t. Servos, servo drivers, and vise ordered. Mill and ballscrew kit still being worked through ...
[01:02:26] <zeeshan> os1r1s: pics of what youre working on? :D
[01:02:51] <os1r1s> zeeshan Nothing yet. I am just getting it ordered
[01:03:01] <zeeshan> ah
[01:03:20] <os1r1s> zeeshan Though I do have to get my toolchanger on my Taig working with linuxcnc
[01:03:38] <zeeshan> nice
[01:03:40] <zeeshan> what kind of atc
[01:03:44] <ReadError> you got a toolchanger on the taig?
[01:03:47] <zeeshan> or you mean manual tool change
[01:04:08] <os1r1s> zeeshan Homegrown ATC
[01:04:14] <zeeshan> this i gotta see :D
[01:04:42] <os1r1s> zeeshan The spindle side is done. The part that holds the tools I am scrapping and redoing
[01:04:53] <os1r1s> But now I have linuxcnc controlling the release of the toolholder
[01:04:58] <os1r1s> From the spndle :)
[01:05:01] <zeeshan> nice
[01:05:02] <os1r1s> Which was a big accomplishment
[01:05:15] <zeeshan> pnuematic?
[01:05:20] <os1r1s> yes
[01:06:23] <os1r1s> zeeshan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOKeW9JOs_A
[01:06:54] <zeeshan> bad ass
[01:06:57] <os1r1s> Its on the machine now, but that is it working
[01:07:08] <zeeshan> i wish i setup my tool changer like industrial machines
[01:07:15] <zeeshan> one button keeps the tool holder clamped
[01:07:22] <zeeshan> another keeps it unclamped
[01:07:24] <os1r1s> I put a sherline motor on it because changing the belts sucks
[01:07:36] <zeeshan> i currently have to hold the button to unclamp, but asap i let go of button it clamps
[01:07:46] <zeeshan> i thought it'd be safer, but it also means i can only use one hand to change tools :(
[01:08:00] <os1r1s> On that big ass mill you have?
[01:08:02] <zeeshan> yes
[01:08:14] <os1r1s> I'm surprised thats even possible
[01:08:19] <os1r1s> Don't the toolholders weight 20 lbs
[01:08:27] <zeeshan> no
[01:08:28] <zeeshan> like 10 maybe
[01:08:41] <zeeshan> i usually take the tool im going to change, put it on the table
[01:08:47] <zeeshan> then press the button and swap w/ one hand
[01:08:51] <zeeshan> but its very inconvienient
[01:09:11] <zeeshan> the prob with industrial setup is this
[01:09:28] <zeeshan> if you press the unclamp button while the spindle is not running, itll ignore the tool change request
[01:09:39] <zeeshan> and if the spindle stops, it still wont release..
[01:10:00] <zeeshan> i initially thought it'd just drop asap the spindle stopped
[01:10:01] <zeeshan> but i was wrong
[01:10:19] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGOzQ8vXHwg
[01:10:24] <zeeshan> made a video about mine
[01:14:12] <os1r1s> That thing is huge
[01:14:34] <zeeshan> is your logic for the tool change similar?
[01:15:18] <zeeshan> if machine status on && spindle not spinning && tool change request is true && program is stopped
[01:15:21] <zeeshan> allow release of tool
[01:16:41] <os1r1s> Mine is completely under my control
[01:16:50] <os1r1s> I control the tool release and the spindle stop
[01:17:03] <zeeshan> if the spindle is running
[01:17:04] <os1r1s> I could release the tool while spinning if I did something poorly
[01:17:06] <zeeshan> and you press the button accidently
[01:17:08] <zeeshan> will it come out?
[01:17:09] <zeeshan> ah
[01:17:35] <zeeshan> im kinda glad i tied it into spindle feedback
[01:17:40] <zeeshan> cause once my tool was about to crash
[01:17:44] <zeeshan> and my estop is near the tool change
[01:17:50] <zeeshan> and i for some reease pressed the tool change
[01:17:52] <zeeshan> instead of the e-stop
[01:17:53] <zeeshan> haha
[01:17:58] <zeeshan> panic
[01:18:26] <zeeshan> reease = reason
[02:11:42] <chupacabra> so i hook my chinese 3040t mill up turn on linuxcnc and grab the stepconf file and then run stepconf to get all the hal and other files?
[02:15:04] <chupacabra> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepconf.html following this?
[02:28:21] <technoid> ok this is wayyy off topic here but you guys are smart
[02:29:21] <technoid> you don't put quotes on a reinterpretation or paraphrase because theirs no one who actually said it, right?
[02:35:11] <Deejay> moin
[02:36:02] <pink_vampire> hii everyone
[02:36:14] <pink_vampire> morning Deejay
[02:36:21] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[02:36:25] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/bsnfthM.png
[02:36:41] <Deejay> hi pink_vampire and XXCoder
[02:36:58] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[02:37:02] <XXCoder> you setu the display?
[02:37:09] <Deejay> nice
[02:37:16] <pink_vampire> yes, is the temp monitor
[02:37:16] <XXCoder> *setup
[02:37:19] <XXCoder> nice!
[02:37:47] <pink_vampire> but now it's work on the nano, and the onw wire sensors give me hard time..
[02:38:19] <pink_vampire> so.. I need to get arduino mega and work with analog sensors..
[02:38:53] <pink_vampire> I hope it will be easy to convert the code from the nano to the mega.
[02:40:30] <pink_vampire> now I need to work on the vibration monitor..
[03:50:13] <archivist> chupacabra, stepconf creates the hal and ini files, if you want to set up that way
[03:52:15] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: well youre succeeding far more than I do lool
[03:54:06] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you just need to do it..
[03:54:20] <XXCoder> yeah hard to do at this time
[03:54:29] <XXCoder> damn I used too much of superhot sauce lol
[03:59:56] <Deejay> :)
[04:05:40] <XXCoder> whew
[04:05:52] <XXCoder> so glad I didn't add hot sauce to all 3 heh
[05:41:06] <jthornton> morning
[05:42:02] <XXCoder> yo
[05:43:04] <XXCoder> wow
[05:43:13] <XXCoder> there is so many "micro computers" clones now
[05:43:16] <XXCoder> on kickstarter
[05:43:57] <renesis> is the new great big thing
[05:44:06] <renesis> catch the people feel like they missed out on the last ones
[05:44:15] <XXCoder> apparently. I played with my CHiP, and damn it is awesome
[05:44:29] <XXCoder> its decent stat computer in tiny smaller than credit card size
[05:44:38] <XXCoder> with pinouts even so can add stuff
[05:44:54] <XXCoder> it can be cnc controller, it has enoughpinouts.
[05:50:39] <pink_vampire> you don't need strong graphic cartd for the cnc controler?
[05:50:57] <XXCoder> dont think so, no
[05:51:11] <XXCoder> could be wrong though
[05:52:48] <pink_vampire> for 3d machining..
[05:53:43] <renesis> its opengl, you dont even need a modern gpu
[05:53:53] <renesis> you need a decent gpu for 3d cad
[05:54:04] <renesis> and a workstation gpu if you want to do rendering
[05:54:19] <renesis> not for a controller tho
[05:55:14] <renesis> also you dont need to run 3d ui in linuxcnc
[05:55:31] <pink_vampire> gt9400?
[05:55:35] <renesis> ive never tried or seen it but you can prob run the shit headless over a terminal
[05:56:29] <renesis> pink_vampire: thats a gaming gpu
[05:56:49] <pink_vampire> very old one..
[05:56:57] <pink_vampire> 16 cuda cores..
[05:56:57] <chupacabra> archivist, I'm figuring it iut slowley.
[05:57:18] <XXCoder> my pc that runs linuxcnc was a midrange gpu.... 9 years ago
[05:57:29] <XXCoder> it works fine.
[05:57:59] <pink_vampire> I'm with mach3 :(
[05:58:23] <chupacabra> https://github.com/jieter/linuxcnc-config Looking at this page and I think my machine has no end stops. Erroring on the mainline branch.
[05:58:53] <renesis> you can prob do like inten integrated graphics from 10 years ago
[05:58:57] <renesis> *intel
[05:59:01] <renesis> http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-desktop-gpus.html
[05:59:06] <renesis> pink_vampire: more like those ^
[05:59:23] <chupacabra> whining about limit switches and I cant find any.
[05:59:57] <pink_vampire> what is the diff between the gaming the desktop?
[06:00:02] <archivist> chupacabra, I have managed without limit or homing switches for years
[06:00:48] <renesis> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133586
[06:00:57] <chupacabra> yup. seems like a plan. as an old school machinist it just seems impossible to me.
[06:01:07] <renesis> i dont think high end gaming gpu are $5k
[06:01:20] <XXCoder> why need high end gpu anyway
[06:01:32] <renesis> pink_vampire: gaming gpu are made for realtime rendering
[06:01:35] <pink_vampire> renesis: thereis better one
[06:01:41] <pink_vampire> tesla K80
[06:01:44] <renesis> and game specific optimization and effects
[06:01:51] <chupacabra> archivist, so i could just pull the hal and ini files and be good to go?
[06:02:00] <renesis> workstation gpu are just about lots of parallel processing power
[06:02:12] <renesis> render something in a day instead of a week
[06:03:51] <archivist> chupacabra, as long as you home correctly and have set the axis limits linuxcnc will catch attempts to go too far
[06:03:55] <chupacabra> should I pull all the files from that directory?
[06:03:55] <pink_vampire> FUCK
[06:04:08] <renesis> OMG?!
[06:04:17] <archivist> pull means little in this context
[06:05:09] <chupacabra> it wont home because of limit switch errors. when i block that code in the ini it hits the end and vibrates.
[06:05:42] <chupacabra> pull from github
[06:08:23] <archivist> I assume that is someone else's config
[06:08:46] <chupa3040t> yessir
[06:09:32] <archivist> then you will have to edit out what you dont have or need
[06:10:25] <archivist> creating a new one with stepconf may be better, look at what that outputs and compare
[06:10:37] <pink_vampire> I'm back..
[06:11:25] <chupa3040t> can one home during stepconfig? I drove around but saw no hoome button.
[06:12:10] <archivist> stepconf does not home
[06:12:20] <chupa3040t> k
[06:12:21] <archivist> nor should it
[06:12:35] <chupa3040t> i get that.
[06:12:58] <chupa3040t> How does it home with no limit switch?
[06:13:33] <archivist> you jog to home and click the axis home button for that axis
[06:13:34] <chupa3040t> i see no hall effect or anything.
[06:13:54] <archivist> so it is manual not automatic
[06:14:00] <chupa3040t> jog till it buzzes?
[06:14:23] <archivist> can do, or close to 0
[06:14:41] <chupa3040t> ok I try that.
[06:15:34] <chupa3040t> You been lots of help. Thanks. got to go to bed now though. Yall have fun.
[06:16:03] <archivist> but its mid day
[06:16:29] <chupa3040t> 5:51 am here
[06:19:05] <pink_vampire> here 6:54
[06:19:10] <pink_vampire> am
[06:19:11] <chupa3040t> the no stop .ini file has no mention of limit switches like the other branch does.
[07:42:56] <archivist> a thickness meter with the following test index d'avoyage, pierre-pertuis, Schrankmesslehra
[07:43:22] <archivist> french/germam/swiss ? and measuring what
[07:44:29] <archivist> measures up to about 1.4mm
[07:48:09] <Jymmm> archivist: Any thoughts on that wood stove water loop by chance?
[07:51:19] <archivist> looks a bit junk as someone else noticed, no attempt to improve heat conduction
[07:51:46] <pink_vampire> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13718
[07:52:00] <pink_vampire> 1000$..
[07:52:14] <pink_vampire> junk
[07:56:04] <malcom2073> yeah shapeoko isn't great
[07:56:13] <malcom2073> It does light engaving ok though I hear
[08:00:35] <Jymmm> archivist: You think something like this would be more beneficial? Any additional risks?
http://beta.antiquestoves.us/img/p/1/6/3/163-large_default.jpg
[08:37:48] <archivist> Jymmm, the main risk is the user
[08:38:24] <archivist> and no visible safety valve
[08:39:08] <archivist> and no attempt at knowing about gravity and water
[09:15:28] <JT-Shop> 57°F and 37%RH in the shop this morning
[09:16:16] <archivist> dunno why you rh is so low, I am above 70% rh
[09:17:46] <archivist> 11 deg c indoors
[09:24:37] <JT-Shop> yea outside is 0°C and 73%
[09:34:47] <enleth> it's suddenly -15C over here
[09:35:05] <enleth> fortunately there's a server rack heating my workshop
[09:35:31] <enleth> it's pumping out more heat than the central heating at the moment
[10:11:37] <archivist> my single server and monitor dont waste enough to heat properly :(
[10:27:06] <bobo__> PetefromTn is this the year that the mills tool changer will be working?
[10:27:36] <PetefromTn_> no idea man why?
[10:27:56] <PetefromTn_> I sure as hell hope it is the year I sell this house tho...
[10:28:51] <zeeshan> lol
[10:29:05] <zeeshan> bobo and his comments :P
[10:29:22] <bobo__> cause i'am getting older, and that is on the list to cheer for
[10:31:14] <tjtr33> nice vismach 5 axis
https://youtu.be/1JzuyvvDWzc
[10:31:19] <bobo__> zeeshan anything new with the Deckel that also has a tool changer ?
[10:32:06] <zeeshan> nice tjtr33
[10:32:09] <zeeshan> deckel nah :P
[10:32:12] <zeeshan> been working on other things
[10:34:06] <chupa3040t> tool changing aint trivial
[10:38:23] <tjtr33> that video is a 7 joint tool but he uses only 5axis
[10:38:25] <tjtr33> smart for the job at hand but annoying to see a nice AB head used A only
[10:40:01] <zeeshan> bobo__: ive been thinking about ways to make it so the vertical head can rotate on the mikron
[10:40:10] <zeeshan> :P
[10:40:25] <Jymmm> archivist: 1) there was an overpressure valve on the tank (I forget the real name of those), 2) What do you mean "gravity and water", in that instance, wasn't it based upon "heat rises" alone?
[10:40:36] <zeeshan> but i think a trunion table would be easier
[10:41:53] <archivist> I want a trunnion table too
[10:41:53] <bobo__> you mean rotate under power i assume
[10:43:39] <bobo__> trunion table might be stiffer
[10:43:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah well right now my goal is to get my shop straightened out and organized so I can get back to doing the CNC lathe build
[10:44:05] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: you need a CNC shop-organiser bot
[10:44:18] <SpeedEvil> 5 axis, can pick up and move mills.
[10:44:44] <zeeshan> lathe is priority for this year for me as well
[10:44:45] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Step one: Toss everything in dumpster. Step Two: See step one.
[10:44:47] * SpeedEvil imagines the 'armoury' scene from matrix 1, but with machine tools.
[10:44:51] <zeeshan> but im still finishing up the rx7 first
[10:44:56] <zeeshan> did so much wiring over the last couple of weeks
[10:45:07] <zeeshan> mazda does some funny things with their wires
[10:45:28] <PetefromTn_> Jymm actually I tossed everything out in the driveway ;)
[10:45:39] <PetefromTn_> then I post a craigslist FREE ad
[10:45:46] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: <--- Such a (machine) geek =)
[10:45:48] <PetefromTn_> and the people come haul it all away for FREE
[10:45:48] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: Get to the point you kind-of-want to tear out all the wiring harness and replace it?
[10:45:59] <PetefromTn_> I love that
[10:46:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: See, now you got to get the marshmellows and have a driveway bond fire =)
[10:46:41] <PetefromTn_> actually we have a burn pit out back of the house we burn a lot of spare wood and firewood in.
[10:46:49] <PetefromTn_> The shop right now is ALMOST where I want it.
[10:47:07] <PetefromTn_> I have a huge load of shit in my Van right now I am going to take to the dump this morning
[10:47:10] <bobo__> florida?
[10:47:41] <PetefromTn_> then probably another load and I will be just moving some stuff around and back to the wiring of the CNC lathe
[10:47:48] <PetefromTn_> I wish it was in florida
[10:48:06] <PetefromTn_> you sure love to rub shit in dontcha bobo ;)
[10:48:41] <bobo__> it's not a rub it in
[10:48:42] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Then you'll need a bigger bbq for the alligators =)
[10:49:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah hehe I can't WAIT to kayak fish some places down there in our new Fishing Kayaks. We went out twice in them now and it sure as hell is lots of fun.
[10:49:39] <PetefromTn_> You can really get to the hard to reach places easily and quietly
[10:49:54] <PetefromTn_> Have you ever had alligator tail?
[10:50:00] <Jymmm> Too bad a fishing license is like $65
[10:50:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah its bullshit huh
[10:50:21] <PetefromTn_> our licenses here are like $39.00
[10:50:39] <Jymmm> I mean $15-$20 sure I get it, but $65?!
[10:50:39] <PetefromTn_> and then they have all sorts of stamps you have to buy for particular species.
[10:50:52] <PetefromTn_> is that a local or out of state license?
[10:50:58] <Jymmm> local
[10:51:21] <PetefromTn_> when I grew up down there there was no such thing as a fishing license unless you fished fresh water
[10:51:43] <PetefromTn_> and when you can catch snook, snapper, grouper, and Mahi nobody I knew fished fresh water LOL
[10:52:40] <Jymmm> Ok, $46 local / $127 out-of-state
[10:53:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah they sure love to stick it to vacationers
[10:53:26] <bobo__> so now it's salt water license too in florida?
[10:53:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think so
[10:53:58] <Jymmm> Ocean add $5, 3nd rod add $15, abalone add $23 Strugeon add $8
[10:54:04] <Jymmm> 2nd*
[10:54:10] <PetefromTn_> when we went on vacation this past year we were in Port St. Lucie/Jensen beach area and we bought temporary licenses
[10:54:15] <PetefromTn_> I remember it was not cheap
[10:55:53] <Jymmm> Heh, they have lifetime licenses, but it's based upon your age! lol
[10:55:54] <PetefromTn_> at least down there if you go fishing you can catch a bunch of good eating fish like Mahi and Kingfish and snapper, and grouper etc etc etc so it is worth the price
[10:56:21] <PetefromTn_> you would pay for the license pretty quick in seafood LOL
[10:56:49] <tjtr33> isnt it free for over 65 ( some age )?
[10:56:52] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: My question is this... If you toss a m80 into a pond/lake, is it considered fishing and do you still need a license?
[10:57:12] <PetefromTn_> there is so much delicious fish down there let alone crabbing and clamming and oysters etc you can harvest if you have the right licence and know how to do it
[10:57:29] <PetefromTn_> I am sure that is frowned upon like everything else cool ;)
[10:57:42] <Jymmm> tjtr33: oh hell no... if you are blind or low incoe indian it's free, must be verified for both
[10:58:13] <Jymmm> tjtr33:
https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Licensing/Fishing
[10:58:20] <tjtr33> or old enuf to not give a damn
[10:58:25] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say I can really get into this kayak fishing tho
[10:58:34] <PetefromTn_> these new fishing kayaks are SWEET
[10:58:47] <PetefromTn_> they have all sorts of rod holders and tackle box storage
[10:58:58] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: m80 launchers?
[10:58:59] <PetefromTn_> you can stand up in them too if you have decent balance
[10:59:11] <PetefromTn_> hehe yeah I guess it could be a launcher
[10:59:18] <PetefromTn_> they even call them rocket launchers LOL
[10:59:34] <Jymmm> nono, then the ATF get involved
[10:59:47] <Jymmm> or NSA or FBI
[11:00:05] <PetefromTn_> http://destinkayakrentals.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/vibe-sea-ghost-130-kayak-724x360.jpg this is just like the one I got for me and Dacia
[11:00:08] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: "$127 out-of-state" is that in Ca?
[11:00:10] <tjtr33> rocket lawn chairs
[11:00:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: yeah
[11:00:59] <PetefromTn_> it actually has four rod holders and a nice center console that has rulers in metric and SAE for measuring your fish as well as tons of little pockets and dry storage areas
[11:01:50] <PetefromTn_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N-TX-HHH968/VbO0tkiAWXI/AAAAAAAAEG0/6VsxxO_Y0rc/s1600/DSC_0026%255B1%255D.JPG heres one well equipped
[11:03:22] <tjtr33> haha trolling motor depth finder outrigger pole holders
[11:03:41] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah man some people even put some neat sails on them
[11:03:51] <PetefromTn_> they are like your own personal fishing machine
[11:04:12] <PetefromTn_> they are also quite stable in the water and easy to paddle
[11:04:51] <bobo__> so you can make Tons of machined things for all of those , and sell em
[11:04:54] <PetefromTn_> people put fish finders, GPS, downriggers, trolling motors, lights and batteries, even laptops etc etc on them. They go a little nutz
[11:04:56] <tjtr33> tube fishin..cheap, free beer cooler :-) swim fin powered, but a bit spinny with larger fish on line
[11:05:06] <PetefromTn_> bobo__ you read my mind man!!
[11:05:39] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33 actually there are people who purposely go out offshore and try to catch monster fish off of these things.
[11:05:44] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: dronecraft carrier
[11:05:58] <PetefromTn_> Sailfish, marlin, huge tuna, bull dolphin etc etc.
[11:06:02] <PetefromTn_> big sharks
[11:06:19] <PetefromTn_> they call it a Florida magic carpet ride LOL
[11:06:27] <tjtr33> the new revised old man and the sea... dragged to cuba by a silver tuna
[11:06:47] <PetefromTn_> pretty much.. it looks like TONS of fun
[11:07:24] <PetefromTn_> we are planning to build a nice trailer to hold all four and take our Vacation down in Florida again this year and I would love to hook into a big kind mackerel or something with it.
[11:07:47] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Somehow I get the impression that you HATE fishing ;)
[11:08:30] <PetefromTn_> ya think? I LOVE fishing man but freshwater fishing is pretty boring from what I have seen
[11:08:40] <Jymmm> =)
[11:08:45] <PetefromTn_> another reason I gotta sell this house and move back to Florida.
[11:08:58] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, i stumbled on this 'straw shrimp' yesterday. its not soem shrimp that lives in something like straw. its a fishing lure made from soda straws
[11:08:59] <tjtr33> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwE5tzbwKSs
[11:09:49] <PetefromTn_> WOW that is amazing!!
[11:14:21] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: how is the weather there?
[11:14:49] <CaptHindsight> warm again with scattered mosquitoes? :)
[11:15:56] <Jymmm> Nah, they're concetrated
[11:16:50] <tjtr33> cool by local standards, i dont even have the ac on. might get down to 75 tonight.
[11:17:57] <tjtr33> very few bugs seen in last 2 months. yeah some mozzies and flies and spiders
[11:17:58] <tjtr33> but no more than Chicago summertime, heck less!
[11:19:53] <tjtr33> i'm trying to import that 300amp generator now. claiming it as 'household effects'
[11:20:07] <tjtr33> which it really is, i just got a weird household
[11:20:32] <Jymmm> tjtr33: 300A?
[11:20:47] <tjtr33> oh happynew year all, sawaatdii pi mai!
[11:20:50] <archivist> a generator in the garden is normal.....for geeks
[11:21:14] <tjtr33> Jymmm, 300amp 100Vdc edm supply with heidehnain 5 axis control
[11:21:23] <tjtr33> a toy to play with
[11:21:23] <Jymmm> tjtr33: AH
[11:21:43] <Jymmm> tjtr33: that straw lure is VERY impressive
[11:22:20] <tjtr33> yeah Imma gonna find some straws
[11:22:42] <tjtr33> and then goto Rayong for cuttlefish
[11:23:10] <tjtr33> midnight here, gnite all ;-)
[11:24:01] <Jymmm> lol, I thik John got bandwidth again (beginning of the month) =)
[11:26:08] <CaptHindsight> I don't think he has enough neighbors to start a mesh or relay network
[11:26:44] <Jymmm> I thought there were hills in the way
[11:27:19] <CaptHindsight> maybe that to
[11:31:51] <PetefromTn_> man that is the most realistic fake shrimp I ever saw LOL
[11:31:57] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Are you stll anodizing?
[11:32:06] <PetefromTn_> a little
[11:32:23] <PetefromTn_> if I have more than a few I just take it to knoxvegas and let them do it
[11:32:31] <os1r1s> I'm dissasembling mine
[11:32:32] <PetefromTn_> but if I just have one or three I do it here
[11:32:51] <os1r1s> I took mine apart and have an amazing growth of crystals
[11:34:01] <PetefromTn_> WoW well gotta head to the dump now and get some work done here today. Later folks
[11:35:34] <os1r1s> Here is a pic ... pretty crazy ...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/el2qylfnnq97kha/anogrowth.jpg
[11:42:04] <ReadError> when modifying an endmill for boring on lathe
[11:42:18] <ReadError> is it the cutting side past the tip i need to grind down?
[11:45:02] <Jymmm> os1r1s: what is that, and what are those "balls" in the back?
[11:45:16] <os1r1s> Jymmm That is my anodizing tank
[11:45:21] <os1r1s> Its an acid mix
[11:45:30] <os1r1s> The balls keep the fizzing down when anodizing
[11:45:46] <Jymmm> the red thing is a heater?
[11:45:57] <os1r1s> Cooler/Heater
[11:46:03] <os1r1s> Its a titanium coil exchange
[11:46:07] <zeeshan> ReadError: why do you have to modify it
[11:46:10] <Jymmm> ah
[11:46:12] <zeeshan> just plunge straight in with the end mill
[11:46:13] <zeeshan> :P
[11:46:15] <os1r1s> So I pump chilled coolant through it
[11:46:18] <os1r1s> To keep it consistant
[11:46:18] <zeeshan> or are you trying to extend how deep it can go
[11:46:23] <os1r1s> consistent
[11:46:41] <ReadError> zeeshan, yea i need to do that too
[11:46:54] <ReadError> cradek mentioned grinding something on it
[11:46:57] <zeeshan> buy a boring bar!
[11:46:58] <zeeshan> cheapie
[11:46:59] <zeeshan> :P
[11:47:05] <ReadError> zeeshan, they dont make them my size
[11:47:14] <ReadError> 5->6.35mm
[11:47:21] <ReadError> all the ones ive seen are much larger
[11:47:29] <zeeshan> you can buy em small
[11:47:39] <zeeshan> andypugh gave me a link for em a while back
[11:47:42] <ReadError> not on amazon ;(
[11:47:45] <zeeshan> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/Fighter1/PA020424.jpg
[11:47:50] <zeeshan> youre basically trying to make it look like that
[11:47:54] <ReadError> I justneed it for 1 task
[11:47:56] <zeeshan> the shape of it
[11:48:08] <zeeshan> http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc210/ian-new/boring%20bar/plan2.jpg
[11:48:58] <ReadError> got a box of old 1/8" endmills to practice on I suppose
[11:49:23] <zeeshan> the most important angle is the side rake
[11:49:26] <zeeshan> and side rake clearance
[12:32:56] <aventtini6> hello guys
[13:42:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oZaYEpO.png
[13:42:58] <zeeshan> slowling this thing is coming together
[13:47:29] <os1r1s> zeeshan What is it?
[13:47:59] <zeeshan> this guy is making a sculpture
[13:48:08] <zeeshan> and retrofitting a water dispenser in it
[14:44:20] <Duc> PetefromTn_: anything good your throwing out?
[15:41:03] <Jymmm> Duc: Too slow man, I already got the Y-Flux capacitor!!!
[15:43:39] <Duc> LOL
[15:43:50] <renesis> as opposed to X-Flux?
[15:43:56] <Duc> Im always down for free tools
[15:44:10] <Duc> Ill take the lathe off his hands since he will never finish it
[15:44:46] <renesis> speaking of never finishing, i should do laundry and pack
[15:45:20] <Jymmm> Duc: Oh, PetefromTn_ is Definitely a tool ;)
[15:45:34] <Jymmm> renesis: where ya going?
[15:45:44] <Jymmm> renesis: 15-30?
[15:47:30] <renesis> from 90 miles north of SAC, 99 to 5 to 156 to 101 to santa barbara for minute, then to LA
[15:48:22] <Jymmm> renesis: Where north of sac?
[15:48:33] <_methods> my nut sac
[15:48:44] <Jymmm> _methods: is on the mantel in a jar
[15:48:51] <renesis> chico, its like halfway to redding at the sierra foothills
[15:48:52] <_methods> hahah
[15:49:08] <Jymmm> renesis: how long you be in chico?
[15:49:13] <Jymmm> renesis: and why? lol
[15:49:25] <renesis> school, few more years
[15:49:38] <Jymmm> renesis: you'll be LIVING in chico?
[15:49:52] <renesis> i have been for like a year and a half
[15:50:22] <renesis> have a little hole on the edge of the frat district, 10 minute walk from classes
[15:50:36] <Jymmm> lol
[15:50:59] <Jymmm> renesis: So just off escalade ?
[15:51:12] <renesis> other side
[15:51:35] <renesis> closer to the tracks/walnut/nord, streets not the avenues
[15:51:47] <Jymmm> ah
[15:52:22] <Jymmm> Oh I hate that ave/street shit, not to mention the whole north/ south east ave/road crap
[15:52:25] <renesis> aves seem shady, exgf said stay away (she did grad school, taught here)
[15:52:37] <renesis> oh man its fucked before you understand it
[15:52:54] <renesis> i knew the area pretty well before i came up for school so not a big deal
[15:53:09] <Jymmm> ah ok
[15:54:01] <renesis> i think the craziest things are the 2 way yield signs instead of 4-way stop signs in the frat district
[15:54:18] <Jymmm> haha, I haven't seen that
[15:54:20] <renesis> like, legal cali roll
[15:54:49] <Jymmm> Yeah, I get it. probably exactly what it is. Cheaper than havng the road engineered
[15:54:52] <renesis> i guess its always been like that, its only south of campus
[15:55:09] <Jymmm> oh the older area?
[15:55:24] <Jymmm> maybe due to all the farming trucks at one time
[15:55:27] <renesis> theyre thinking about changing it, they ask me 'are you afraid of getting hit?' while im walking to school
[15:55:42] <renesis> i said it dont matter because i look before crossing because im not a drunk idiot kid
[15:55:50] <Duc> Stop sign wont stop drivers lol
[15:55:50] <renesis> but as a driver they should all be 4-ways
[15:56:13] <renesis> jymmm: haha that kinda makes sense
[15:56:27] <Jymmm> Yeah, the cops dont too kindly to the college students
[15:56:34] <renesis> duc: they tend to, its an expensive ticket
[15:56:52] <renesis> i look for cops before i cali roll (i have manual transmission so the urge is always there)
[15:57:23] <Duc> lol
[15:57:27] <Duc> how bad is the ticket
[15:57:27] <Jymmm> That was my VERY first ticket actually
[15:57:55] <Jymmm> I tend come to a complete stop now
[15:58:02] <renesis> i got one for cali rolling an offramp stop sign in agoura hills last year
[15:58:21] <Jymmm> sounds like a speed trap
[15:58:54] <renesis> theres an adjacent intersection thats kind of confusing that people blow through so i think he was babysitting that
[15:58:54] <Jymmm> renesis: how long you on xmas break till?
[15:59:05] <renesis> 3 more weeks
[15:59:20] <renesis> i go down score couple paychecks come back up
[15:59:28] <Jymmm> Dang, that's a long time for chico to be closed, isn't it?
[15:59:43] <renesis> they do a winter session
[16:00:01] <Jymmm> k
[16:00:04] <renesis> break is like mid december to late january
[16:00:18] <Jymmm> guess that's kinda cool then.
[16:00:40] <Jymmm> hey, you going to LA you said?
[16:01:03] <renesis> yeah thats were jobby job is
[16:01:26] <Jymmm> Hmmm....
[16:01:46] <Jymmm> anyhere near Watts?
[16:01:59] <Jymmm> or compton?
[16:01:59] <renesis> no, complete opposite
[16:02:16] <renesis> valley, santa monica mountains
[16:02:29] <Jymmm> Tarzana!!!
[16:02:34] * Jymmm snickers
[16:02:36] <renesis> almost!
[16:02:58] <renesis> stay in canoga park, work in westlake village
[16:03:04] <Jymmm> Ok, I'll put together a shopping list =)
[16:03:16] <renesis> if i dont want to sit in traffic i can drive mulholland home
[16:03:29] <Jymmm> nice drive
[16:04:11] <renesis> ya, i try and do that from topanga to leo carillo beach every time im down there
[16:04:39] <renesis> and the topanga, saddle peak, stunt road, mullholland loop
[16:08:22] <oyvindje> anyone using dewalt dwp611 for metalwork (alu/brass)?
[16:17:01] <Jymmm> renesis: I love leo carillo! Camped there and then slept on the beach, was awesome!
[16:19:14] <renesis> nice, scoring a leo campsight takes some planning
[16:19:30] <Jymmm> renesis: There was like 10-20 of us =)
[16:20:48] <Jymmm> renesis: What sucks is almost all LA Co beaches close at midnight or sooner
[16:21:36] <renesis> shrug, we just ignore that
[16:21:43] <Jymmm> and you dont want to sleep on the beach at Santa Monica pier =)
[16:21:57] <renesis> theres two little sections of PCH where the parking signs dont point too
[16:22:04] <renesis> at leo
[16:22:05] <Jymmm> nice
[16:22:15] <renesis> and a lot of other beaches you can park residential
[16:22:42] <renesis> like, we did el matador beach at 2am pretty consistent
[16:22:46] <Jymmm> There's a tony cove at Laguna Nigel that you can hae a fire on the beach all night long as long as you're quiet
[16:22:51] <Jymmm> tiny*
[16:22:57] <renesis> cool
[16:23:24] <renesis> when im in SB i got to the no-access beaches next to gaviota a lot
[16:23:44] <renesis> ones where you gotta hike in, climb down rocks, or boat in
[16:23:51] <Jymmm> I've only been to SB like once
[16:24:11] <renesis> i lived there for like two years, the beaches there kinda suck
[16:24:27] <Jymmm> haha, mayb thats why only once =)
[16:24:39] <renesis> but the beaches starting like 30 min north of SB, the gaviota coast, omfg amazing
[16:25:13] <renesis> 20 miles, undeveloped, jalama state beach in the middle of it
[17:02:33] <Deejay> gn8
[17:08:45] <Jymmm> renesis: undeveloped land, in california... ha! lol
[17:09:29] <renesis> because its privately owned, hollister ranch properties
[17:09:39] <Jymmm> oh
[17:09:43] <renesis> they wont give it to the state, they know theyll fuck it up
[17:09:51] <Jymmm> heh, yep
[17:18:22] <andypugh> Home-made Trantorque-esque bush:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6235326554423637666
[17:23:41] <cradek> did you make all three?
[17:26:41] <Frank___2> andy, i see u are using 6i25, i was going to choose 5i25 for price and known problems/support, it has way more i/o right? would it go nicely with a 7i85s?
[17:31:34] <andypugh> cradek: The sprocket is a stock part (Yamaha R1 camchain sprocket). I machined the internal taper.
[17:32:16] <andypugh> I cut the slits freehand with a Dremel cut-off disc, I am astonished how well they came out.
[17:32:55] <andypugh> Frank___2: Actually, I am using a 6i24.
[17:35:16] <JT-Shop-> hmm plugged in the 7i77ISOL and now it errors out with 7i77 input xx does not exist
[17:35:36] <JT-Shop-> I moved W2 to up to provide 5v to the 7i77ISOL
[17:38:16] <PCW> you have to move both the FPGA card and 7I77 jumpers to get power to both sides of the 7I77ISOL
[17:39:14] <JT-Shop-> ok
[17:40:02] <PCW> there are 2 yellow LEDs in the top of the isolator card, both need to be on
[17:40:11] <cradek> a dremel!? that's amazing.
[17:40:40] <PCW> also read the 7i77isol manual about muxed encoder HAL changes
[17:41:58] <JT-Shop-> I couldn't find the 7i77isol manual, let me look again
[17:42:04] <PCW> (the FPGA side of the isolater gets its power from the FPGA card, the 7I77 side gets it from 7I77 5V power so the 7I77 needs to be jumpered for cable power)
[17:42:16] <PCW> just google 7i77isol
[17:42:35] <JT-Shop-> I have the 7i77isol showing two yellow leds
[17:42:58] <JT-Shop-> got it
[17:43:26] <PCW> google is my ls
[17:43:52] <JT-Shop-> usually my googlefu is good
[17:45:29] <PCW> beware that if you do not lower the mux rate you may find that even/odd encoders are swapped so be cautious unless you have small ferror settings
[17:45:56] <JT-Shop-> thanks, I'll make the changes in the morning... time to start the chili con carne
[17:46:16] <PCW> Sounds good
[17:46:47] <andypugh> cradek: I couldn’t think of a way to hold it to use a slitting saw, and decided that nobody would ever see it, and it would work regardless of how uneven the segments were. But when I finished I decided I would let people see it after all :-)
[17:47:25] <JT-Shop-> it's very good
http://gnipsel.com/recipes/chili/chili-con-carne.html
[17:47:50] <andypugh> I was rather relieved to find that, after all the work, the new casting does fit on the lathe where it is meant to fit:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6235326855443990946
[17:48:20] <Frank___2> whats the diff between 5i24 and 6i24?
[17:49:00] <andypugh> Tomorrow I need to decide if the oil level sight glass goes in the front face (with a hole for it in the cover plate) or the right face.
[17:49:22] <andypugh> Frank___2: Normally 5ixx is PCI and 6ixx is PCIe
[17:49:42] <Frank___2> i was wondering if the casting of yours was made with a mold of yours
[17:49:45] <cradek> andypugh: I'm glad you share pictures of your projects
[17:49:49] <Frank___2> castings
[17:49:58] <Roguish> 5i24 and 6i24 use the same bit files, too.
[17:50:11] <andypugh> 5i24 is a 50-pin card, a whole separate family to the 25-pin cards. (24 IO per connector rather than 17)
[17:50:15] <Frank___2> so i guess i should choose depending my pc?
[17:50:36] <Tom_itx> probably so
[17:51:34] <andypugh> Frank___2: Yes, I made the patterns, it took weeks:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6216010324410212882
[17:52:02] <Frank___2> yeah i thought they were those
[17:52:06] <Frank___2> nice work
[17:52:23] <Frank___2> from that the sand negative right?
[17:52:37] <andypugh> I feel I should make several sets for all the other Holbrook Minor owners :-(
[17:52:43] <andypugh> :-) I mean
[17:52:58] <Jymmm> hey andypugh
[17:53:08] <bpuk> looks like you got a nice fit there - how much machining was needed from the raw casting?
[17:53:12] <Tom_itx> you could make them known that you have the molds
[17:53:30] <Frank___2> what about the 7I76E ? looks sweet
[17:53:50] <Tom_itx> is the E ethernet?
[17:54:04] <andypugh> I basically just needed to square-off the casting draft.
[17:54:07] <Frank___2> looks like,
[17:54:10] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: electric start
[17:54:43] <andypugh> Yes, 7i76E is ethernet connected. It needs to run with an RT-PREEMPT kernel rather than RTAI.
[17:54:45] <Frank___2> can it read ecnoders?
[17:55:07] <andypugh> Only one, I think.
[17:55:44] <Frank___2> yeah spindle i think
[17:55:57] <bpuk> looks like you got the patterns pretty much bob on then. Good work
[17:58:41] <Jymmm> Ok, that's weird... RAR 284.6MB, Extracted 284.6MB
[17:58:59] <andypugh> Frank___2: If you wanted Ethernet + 7i77 you would need the 7i80 or 7i92
[18:01:09] <Frank___2> for atotal of 3 cards???
[18:01:52] <XXCoder> Jymmm: 0% compression pack I guess
[18:01:54] <andypugh> Lets start at the other end. What do you want to connect to?
[18:02:06] <XXCoder> that or it was 100% extropy so it couldnt compress more.
[18:02:45] <Frank___2> they are 4 servos 2 for x axis incremental encoders + 14pins for each driver
[18:02:53] <Frank___2> + the field limits etc
[18:03:18] <andypugh> step-dir or analogue?
[18:03:45] <Frank___2> Differential input; parameter-selectable (1) Positive/Negative 2) Phase A/Phase B 3)
[18:03:45] <Frank___2> Command/Direction)
[18:03:58] <Frank___2> i can choose i believe ?
[18:04:18] <andypugh> OK, so 7i85S sounds right.
[18:04:29] <Frank___2> and from what i've read comm/dir is the same as step/dir, but i would be holding back performance?
[18:04:43] <Frank___2> yes, with 5i24 or 25?
[18:05:12] <Frank___2> 24 will give me more i/o for the 14i/o drives
[18:05:37] <andypugh> Yes, but the 7i85 won’t connect to the 5i24
[18:05:42] <Frank___2> ouch
[18:06:20] <Frank___2> so expansion from 85s 74 i was thinking
[18:06:45] <Frank___2> 7i85+7i74/7i77
[18:07:13] <andypugh> You might want the 5i24 + 7i34
[18:07:42] <Frank___2> lets see that one brb
[18:07:56] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Probably used as a container rather than compression
[18:09:15] <Frank___2> andy how can i make connections easy with that card?
[18:09:32] <Frank___2> looks like a pain in the butt? haha
[18:09:50] <andypugh> Maybe the 7i52S then?
[18:10:09] <andypugh> But the 7i34 is super-cheap :-)
[18:11:35] <zeeshan> YES HOT WATER
[18:12:00] <zeeshan> andypugh: why is analog ebtter than step/dir for servoa pp
[18:14:39] <t12> warmer mids
[18:14:41] <t12> rimshop
[18:14:43] <Frank___2> the 52s may need an expansion for limits and others, same as 34, but as u say, its cheaper
[18:14:44] <t12> er rimshot
[18:14:44] <andypugh> Frank___2: The 50-pin headers are not too bad when you find these connectors that take discrete wire crimps:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/pcb-connector-housings/6812874/
[18:14:59] <andypugh> (despite the picture, thats’s a 2x12 part)
[18:15:54] <Frank___2> i see, nice option.
[18:16:00] <andypugh> zeeshan: I am not entirely sure that it is.
[18:16:19] <zeeshan> i was talking to someone here a little while ago and searched a lot
[18:16:36] <Frank___2> the rs-422 is compatible with the train pulse of the driver?
[18:16:36] <zeeshan> it makes zero sense to go analog on a modern system that is running some sort of fieldbus
[18:16:48] <zeeshan> unless i read something compeltely wrong!
[18:16:50] <Frank___2> i understand from manuals that the encoders use rs-422
[18:16:59] <t12> pulsetrain accumulates errors
[18:17:01] <t12> analog doesnt
[18:17:13] <zeeshan> accumlates error how?
[18:17:17] <zeeshan> and what kind of error are we talking ab out
[18:17:42] <t12> i should prolly read backscroll before mouthing off
[18:17:47] <t12> like missed step style
[18:17:53] <t12> extra step/lost steps accumulate
[18:18:28] <andypugh> Frank___2: Not a great photo, but the pink wires from the top are going into M20 sockets on the 5i23 card here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/HarrisonMill#5901893704840742946
[18:18:46] <andypugh> t12: It doesn’t matter in a closed-loop servo system
[18:19:15] <andypugh> Cumulative encoder errors are a potential problem. Which is partly why I like resolvers.
[18:20:15] <andypugh> Frank___2: I don’t know if the 7i52S is suitable for driving your servo drives. Best to ask PCW that question.
[18:20:27] <t12> i wonder if i know enough fpga to do the mitsu ssi interface thing now
[18:21:00] <andypugh> PCW: Is the 7i52S suitable for driveing step-dir servo drives?
[18:21:28] <andypugh> t12: There is an SSI module for Hostmot2 (Mesa cards).
[18:22:01] <t12> sorry i'm scrambling everything today
[18:22:02] <t12> sscnet
[18:22:12] <t12> whatever they call their protocol
[18:22:24] <Frank___2> i see, its doable, but should i go with it beeing my first build? : D
[18:23:36] <Frank___2> wow just checked price list
[18:23:45] <Frank___2> 35 bucks!
[18:24:02] <Frank___2> i see what you mean hah
[18:24:06] <andypugh> You need to work out which daughter board is most suitable for you, then decide on an FPGA board to connect it to the PC.
[18:24:24] <PCW> Sure the 7I52S is for step/dir +encoder devices
[18:24:39] <andypugh> How about the 7i34?
[18:24:41] <PCW> (or PWM/DIR+encoder)
[18:25:23] <PCW> yeah but no terminal blocks (7I47 is another option)
[18:26:12] <andypugh> Or DB25 FPGA card and 7i85S?
[18:26:19] <PCW> Yes
[18:26:25] <Frank___2> got lost
[18:26:26] <Frank___2> hahaha
[18:26:33] <andypugh> (Do you think we have confused him enough yet?)
[18:26:45] <Frank___2> i am needing lots of i/o
[18:26:56] <Frank___2> each driver is gonna need 14 i/o
[18:27:02] <Frank___2> (4of them)
[18:27:06] <Frank___2> + limits etc
[18:27:14] <andypugh> Didn’t we decide that they were 7 differential pairs?
[18:27:41] <Frank___2> mmm i think thats for the step dir ones
[18:27:53] <Frank___2> and encoders
[18:28:06] <bpuk> out of curiousity - which drives are you using?
[18:28:55] <Frank___2> panasonic liqi 1kw IGBT PWM method sine wave drive
[18:28:55] <Frank___2> Differential input; (of input pulse train
[18:29:32] <Frank___2> i was going to go with 5i25+7i85s+ an expansion for field i/o
[18:31:14] <PCW> afk
[18:31:23] <Frank___2> its cool guys, first build and its hard to explain myself, i am going to keep re reading and figure it out :-)
[18:31:30] <andypugh> So: what paint that I can buy on a Sunday, in the UK, is suitable for painting the inside of an oil tank / gearbox?
[18:34:17] <bpuk> it's that 'sunday after new year' that's the killer - I'd go with Glyptal for the paint. But where to find it on a sunday...
[18:34:38] <Frank___2> doesnt oil do the trick?
[18:36:35] <andypugh> They always paint the inside of gearboxes.
[18:36:36] <bpuk> andypugh: don't suppose you've done any epoxy granite? epoxy resin is likely to do the job
[18:37:03] <bpuk> failing that, do you know anyone who is more fanatical than you about restoring bikes?
[18:38:07] <bpuk> Rustoleum primer may also be ok - but I'm... less confident on that one.
[18:42:13] <Frank___2> you should borrow one from a closed store, if you know what i mean.. hahaha
[18:43:17] <bpuk> problem is, the only store I can think of that might stock it is frost's - and there... a bit of a distance from andy :P
[18:44:55] <andypugh> B&Q do Rustoleum, but not, it seems, anything “serious”: If I search for exterior metal paint and Rustoeoum I find:
http://www.diy.com/departments/rust-oleum-american-accents-gold-effect-metallic-effect-leafing-pen-93ml-pen/128297_BQ.prd
[18:46:03] <bpuk> http://www.diy.com/departments/rust-oleum-white-matt-primer-400ml-aerosol/81430_BQ.prd
[18:47:08] <andypugh> I want something I can brush on, really.
[18:47:23] <bpuk> http://www.diy.com/departments/rust-oleum-dark-grey-matt-magnetic-primer-500ml/81440_BQ.prd
[18:47:40] <bpuk> just checking the oil compatibility on the second one now
[18:48:02] <andypugh> I am not sure I want to use Magnetic paint on a lathe….
[18:48:09] <bpuk> heh
[18:48:14] <bpuk> would take any shavings out :P
[18:50:12] <andypugh> I might try this:
http://www.diy.com/departments/fortress-grey-matt-anti-rust-primer-250ml/80942_BQ.prd?icamp=recs
[18:51:27] <bpuk> solvent based primer... do they do it in red oxide?
[18:52:32] <andypugh> The original gearbox was painted in a pink paint internally. Probably actual red lead.
[18:56:08] <bpuk> probably - I've always tended to use red oxides for oil exposed surfaces - the grey one looks good though
[18:56:25] <bpuk> guess there is only one way to find out though :D
[18:57:28] <andypugh> My worry is that if is peels off it will block the oil pump that feeds the lathe headstock. Which is probably bad.
[18:58:19] <bpuk> hence the Glyptal suggestion - but I have no idea where you'd get it on a sunday
[18:58:37] <Roguish> andypugh: do you really need to paint it?
[18:59:11] <bpuk> it's a raw, unblasted casting - unless he has a filter on the oil pump, then yes
[18:59:34] <andypugh> My dad once told be you should. And he used to work for a gearbox manufacturer. And he always painted the insides of gearboxes he made.
[19:00:54] <andypugh> And something has to need painting pretty badly for my dad to bother :-)
[19:05:47] <bpuk> there are 2 usual reasons to paint castings - the first is to stop oil weeping through the pores in the casting. the second is to to encapsulate any stray casting sand - I've also been told that it 'helps the oil return better' - but I take that with a pound of salt
[19:06:56] <andypugh> It will also prevent rust.
[19:08:08] <bpuk> depends how often you're letting the machine stand - in a frequently running machine rust inside the gearbox isn't really a concern - the moving oil mostly stops any air getting to the iron
[19:08:20] <bpuk> but yeah, that's a bonus
[19:13:32] <bpuk> I think my googlefu is failing me - I've got a Granite Devices Argon coming soon. I'm trying to figure out if anyone has worked on getting thier 'simplemotion' interface working under linuxcnc
[19:13:58] <bpuk> electrically it's RS485 - which shouldn't be an issue
[19:46:29] <XXCoder> holy crap! tiny chip has built in wireless.
[19:47:00] <XXCoder> using my 3" tv with it lol
[19:47:31] <XXCoder> its almost as small as computer, and both probably can fit in mouse.
[19:49:42] <CaptHindsight> he's gone but 2-par epoxy paint will do it
[19:49:48] <CaptHindsight> 2-part
[19:52:26] <CaptHindsight> 2k urethane is another
[19:57:05] <CaptHindsight> Glypyal is an old school alkyd
[20:39:01] <witnit> anyone working emc with an UDOO yet?
[20:41:44] <CaptHindsight> witnit: yet, some people got them when they first shipped
[20:43:35] <CaptHindsight> since the imx6 has internal GB ethernet you should be able to use hm2_eth and mesa FPGA vs the Atmel SAM3X8E ARM Cortex-M3 CPU
[21:34:07] <zeeshan> i dislike reverse engineering plastic parts
[21:34:13] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/4klkIpf.jpg
[21:34:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/y2ANelp.png
[21:34:20] <zeeshan> tada
[21:43:00] <os1r1s> zeeshan You should build a scanner
[21:43:16] <zeeshan> i use 123dapp
[21:43:18] <zeeshan> but it failed for this
[21:43:24] <os1r1s> 123dapp sucks
[21:43:28] <os1r1s> You need something like david
[21:43:34] <os1r1s> david laserscanner
[21:44:19] <zeeshan> one day :)
[21:45:20] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Faro-Arm-Fusion-2013-Digitizer-/331744203311?hash=item4d3d7ed22f:g:HW8AAOSw~gRV1T1D
[21:45:21] <zeeshan> only 21 k.
[21:45:22] <zeeshan> :{
[21:45:49] <zeeshan> i wonder how hard it'd be to build that
[21:45:56] <zeeshan> its basically a 6 axis encoder
[21:45:59] <zeeshan> :)
[21:46:25] <os1r1s> Looks nice
[21:46:26] <os1r1s> But pricey
[21:46:35] <zeeshan> i used that at a job
[21:46:39] <zeeshan> for reverse engineering molds
[21:46:56] <os1r1s> IM molds?
[21:47:02] <zeeshan> plastic injection molds
[21:47:13] <os1r1s> zeeshan Did you design IM molds?
[21:47:26] <zeeshan> whats IM
[21:47:40] <os1r1s> injection molding
[21:47:44] <zeeshan> oh
[21:47:45] <zeeshan> yes
[21:47:53] <os1r1s> In solidworks?
[21:47:56] <zeeshan> yes
[21:48:03] <zeeshan> we were making preforms
[21:48:04] <os1r1s> And mill them/
[21:48:18] <zeeshan> the things that you blow mold into a bottle
[21:48:28] <zeeshan> i just did the solidworks
[21:48:33] <zeeshan> the guys on the floor did the machining
[21:48:42] <enleth> zeeshan: any experience with metal casting molds?
[21:48:50] <os1r1s> zeeshan I have two small IM machines
[21:48:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan's Back!!
[21:49:04] <os1r1s> And have had limited success injecting. So advice/input is always nice
[21:49:09] <os1r1s> These weren't blow molds though
[21:49:11] <zeeshan> os1r1s: what type of injection molding
[21:49:14] <zeeshan> like a screw extruder
[21:49:17] <zeeshan> between a press?
[21:49:20] <os1r1s> Yes
[21:49:22] <zeeshan> nice!
[21:49:35] <os1r1s> One is a medium machinery one. The other is a techkits lns-150a
[21:49:39] <zeeshan> enleth: my first metal mold just happened a couple weeks ago :)
[21:50:37] <zeeshan> enleth:
http://imgur.com/a/xHzVy
[21:50:39] <rue_shop3> can I say grbl here?
[21:50:47] <Tom_itx> maybe
[21:50:53] <zeeshan> project manager
[21:50:53] <rue_shop3> ah you
[21:50:55] <zeeshan> are you a master catia
[21:51:03] <rue_shop3> looking for a list of grbl commands
[21:51:05] <Tom_itx> beginner
[21:51:20] <rue_shop3> heh
[21:51:33] <rue_shop3> hey I wrote my own stuff from scratch and I can do it again
[21:51:39] <rue_shop3> just dont want to :)
[21:51:58] <enleth> zeeshan: nice. looks like the same kind of process I'm aiming for, but it's in the backburner now
[21:52:22] <enleth> just gathered all the stuff needed to make a furnace but no time to build it
[21:52:35] <zeeshan> if youre planning to do aluminum only
[21:52:38] <zeeshan> a kiln is cheaper :P
[21:52:50] <enleth> not necessarily
[21:53:09] <enleth> also, I do not trust gas-fired stuff
[21:53:20] <zeeshan> electric kiln
[21:53:34] <zeeshan> i got mine for $100
[21:53:49] <zeeshan> works good for heat treating also
[21:54:08] <zeeshan> cant melt brass or copper or steel :(
[21:54:13] <Tom_itx> rue_shop3, maybe:
http://www.aquickcnc.com/wiki/Grbl
[21:55:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan just add oxy
[21:55:12] <rue_shop3> Grbl is a no-compromise, high performance....
[21:55:18] <rue_shop3> I'm laughing now...
[21:55:24] <os1r1s> zeeshan I hooked my electric kiln up to a PID cntroller
[21:55:29] <os1r1s> zeeshan So I can do heat profiles
[21:55:31] <zeeshan> os1r1s: same
[21:55:37] <zeeshan> theyre pretty useless without one
[21:55:41] <Tom_itx> rue_shop3 so use linuxcnc
[21:55:41] <zeeshan> for heat treatment
[21:56:05] <zeeshan> os1r1s: ive heard that some can handle 1400C
[21:56:06] <rue_shop3> Tom_itx, that dosn't matter much, but I dont have your $$$ of hardware to run the motors
[21:56:14] <Tom_itx> parport
[21:56:18] <zeeshan> that would be sweet
[21:56:40] <enleth> zeeshan: I'm aiming for pure brick and ceramics interior to try melting whatever ends up melting ad 1500C or so
[21:56:44] <Tom_itx> you could even run dual parport
[21:56:46] <os1r1s> zeeshan Mine can do 1300C
[21:56:48] <rue_shop3> what I want is a set of Gcodes that are understood so I can think about writing some cadcam to work with it
[21:56:54] <zeeshan> so you can melt brass easily then
[21:56:56] <os1r1s> I don't *think* it can do 1400C
[21:57:04] <rue_shop3> cause no way in hell I'm forking out for a windows system just to run cadcam
[21:57:05] <Tom_itx> did you see teh list of supported gcode in that link?
[21:57:11] <rue_shop3> no..
[21:57:23] <Tom_itx> you didn't scroll then
[21:57:46] <rue_shop3> found it!
[21:58:11] <zeeshan> os1r1s: have you tried melting brass?
[21:58:18] <zeeshan> or copper
[21:58:28] <rue_shop3> I have a small electric kiln that will do brass
[21:59:28] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what's the sw model for?
[21:59:40] <zeeshan> its part of a sculpture
[21:59:52] <Tom_itx> making more polished turds?
[22:00:03] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/yValqti.jpg
[22:00:05] <zeeshan> this thing
[22:00:26] <Tom_itx> what is it?
[22:00:32] <enleth> zeeshan: the heating elements I bought from a retired jewellery kiln serviceman can handle up to 1800C, I've got refactory that will survive continuous 1600C, the only interesting part is how to connect heating elements
[22:00:38] <zeeshan> some sculpture
[22:00:42] <zeeshan> im trying to cad it up
[22:00:45] <Tom_itx> oh
[22:00:49] <zeeshan> so i can make some of those wood pieces from metal
[22:00:53] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/W8anhCh.png
[22:00:53] <zeeshan> :D
[22:01:20] <Tom_itx> gettin paid for it?
[22:01:21] <zeeshan> enleth nice
[22:01:24] <zeeshan> ofcourse!
[22:02:06] <zeeshan> im making more of those turds 3rd week of jan
[22:02:11] <zeeshan> he sold all of them lol
[22:02:18] <Tom_itx> really!?
[22:02:20] <zeeshan> yes!
[22:02:24] <zeeshan> 100 of them
[22:02:29] <zeeshan> all gone
[22:02:34] <Tom_itx> better charge more for the next batch
[22:02:39] <zeeshan> i am
[22:02:40] <zeeshan> hes okay with it
[22:02:47] <zeeshan> he's being fair cause he knows it takes time
[22:03:02] <Tom_itx> how much finish time did he put in to them?
[22:03:15] <zeeshan> i think each one takes him an hour
[22:03:21] <zeeshan> wiring it, and finishing it
[22:03:23] <enleth> the usual way to connect those heating elements for up to 1400C is with folded steel strips, looped onto themselves and bolted around the ends of elements
[22:04:02] <enleth> for higher temps - conductive ceramics
[22:04:37] <zeeshan> id like to melt steel
[22:04:39] <zeeshan> would be awesome
[22:04:55] <Tom_itx> and more dangerous
[22:05:00] <zeeshan> hehe
[22:05:27] <zeeshan> my gf was helping me pour some aluminum
[22:05:44] <zeeshan> she accidently spilled molten aluminum on the driveway
[22:05:51] <zeeshan> it popped :)
[22:06:11] <zeeshan> which caused her to panic and spill the entire thing on the driveway
[22:06:11] <zeeshan> haha
[22:06:35] <Tom_itx> you gotta be prepared for such things and not panic
[22:06:44] <zeeshan> yea
[22:06:47] <Tom_itx> nerves of steel
[22:07:09] <enleth> zeeshan: have you seen Grant Thompson's micro arc furnace?
[22:08:01] <enleth> The youtube "king of random", the guy usually makes silly projects, but with some of them he actually shows quite a bit of technical capacity
[22:08:12] <zeeshan> nope
[22:08:20] <t12> i blew up a cap last night
[22:08:24] <t12> it was very loud
[22:08:25] <enleth> zeeshan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIlZsuRc9jQ
[22:08:59] <enleth> surprisingly effective for small payloads
[22:10:07] <zeeshan> wow this guy
[22:10:09] <zeeshan> dumbass
[22:10:10] <zeeshan> hahaha
[22:10:14] <zeeshan> i thought i was dumb
[22:10:19] <Tom_itx> hahaha
[22:10:25] <zeeshan> he grabs his mold with his fucking bare hands
[22:10:30] <zeeshan> with molten aluminum
[22:10:43] <zeeshan> this arc furnace thing is cool
[22:10:54] <zeeshan> ive seen the local place melt massive scrap like that
[22:12:23] <Tom_itx> those are crappy molds
[22:12:30] <zeeshan> man
[22:12:33] <zeeshan> now i want to melt copper so bad!
[22:12:34] <zeeshan> that is bad ass
[22:12:39] <zeeshan> yea tom lol
[22:12:47] <enleth> but the concept is great
[22:13:04] <Tom_itx> how long do the carbon rods last?
[22:13:08] <enleth> he made some shit molds out of a porous material just to show how to do it *fast*
[22:13:47] <enleth> and the idea of a disposable crucible/kiln combo made out of a dirt cheap material is really nice
[22:16:26] <enleth> you can make a bunch of those in advance and possibly use more than one at at time for different materials to avoid contamination
[22:16:44] <os1r1s> zeeshan You see this?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/el2qylfnnq97kha/anogrowth.jpg
[22:17:19] <enleth> os1r1s: what am I even looking at?
[22:17:25] <zeeshan> yes
[22:17:32] <Tom_itx> what is it?
[22:17:34] <os1r1s> enleth The growth in my ano tank from not using it in a year
[22:17:35] <zeeshan> growth !
[22:17:36] <zeeshan> :P
[22:17:48] <os1r1s> Tom_itx That is the anode or cathode (can't remember which)
[22:18:01] <os1r1s> And most of the water evaporated. That was some nasty stuff
[22:18:07] <enleth> ah, well, I'm getting that in the PCB etching tank
[22:18:33] <enleth> the difference is that it also eats away anything metallic some dumbass may have left inside
[22:18:35] <Tom_itx> my etchant crystalized it sat so long
[22:19:12] <os1r1s> haha
[22:20:30] <enleth> the tank sits upright on wooden supports and spills/splashes have etched away the wood so much that it looks like those 500 years old ship parts that turn up sometimes
[22:22:10] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/newtank2.jpg
[22:22:14] <Tom_itx> i put a cover over mine
[22:22:26] <Tom_itx> set it in a tub when in use
[22:22:39] <Tom_itx> that was just a water test
[22:22:59] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/etch3.jpg
[22:24:27] <enleth> Tom_itx: your photo reminds me that I have to buy a sheet metal shear for use with PCB
[22:24:31] <zeeshan> that looks cool tom
[22:25:01] <enleth> to get people to stop using power tools for cutting that crap
[22:25:12] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/Copper1.jpg
[22:25:30] <Tom_itx> i had probably 2 pickups full at one time
[22:25:57] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/Copper3.jpg
[22:26:04] <Tom_itx> part of a full sheet i cut in half to store
[22:26:05] <enleth> one of the most difficult things in a shared workshop is explaining that a fibreglass composite is NOT something we want machined because the dust is abrasive and damages machines
[22:26:19] <Tom_itx> and lungs
[22:26:45] <enleth> screw their lungs, they will die anyway, while the machine could theoretically exist and operate forever
[22:27:10] <enleth> also, you can don a dust mask, but you can't put it on a mill
[22:27:22] <Tom_itx> the shop i got that from used a large shear to cut it
[22:27:41] <enleth> and that's the correct way to do it
[22:28:02] <Tom_itx> i used a tabletop paper cutter which worked ok
[22:28:08] <enleth> unless you need fancy shapes, then a milling plotter that is specifically protected against the PCB dust
[22:28:15] <enleth> and well vacuumed when cutting
[22:28:28] <Tom_itx> too hard on cutters
[22:29:11] <enleth> well shit, it's not like there's any other way
[22:29:18] <Tom_itx> yeah i know
[22:29:28] <enleth> you just buy cardbide cutters and live with the fact that they will wear out fast
[22:29:52] <enleth> well, you could die-stamp small PCBs
[22:29:59] <enleth> but that's obviously for big batches
[22:30:23] <Tom_itx> you don't get a nice edge though
[22:30:41] <enleth> otherwise just keep a separate box of endmills condemned to die a horrible death milling PCBs
[22:31:42] <enleth> the problem is, we don't have a separate milling plotter for PCBs and people keep trying to use the one that doesn't even have any screw covers
[22:31:59] <Tom_itx> i don't do many anymore
[22:32:11] <Tom_itx> if i had one i really wanted i'd let china make it for me
[22:32:36] <enleth> yeah, the prices for one-offs dropped a lot lately
[22:32:59] <enleth> 2-3 years ago it was a bit expensive to make a 1-5 piece run
[22:33:04] <Tom_itx> and you get a mask and the whole bit
[22:33:06] <enleth> now it's fine
[22:33:44] <Tom_itx> do you do your own smt soldering?
[22:38:04] <enleth> yes
[22:38:22] <Tom_itx> i made a toaster oven for doing batches
[22:38:39] <Tom_itx> did quite a few by hand before that
[22:38:41] <enleth> same thing, plus a couple of hot air stations
[22:38:55] <Tom_itx> i wish i had a hot air station
[22:39:31] <enleth> but a lot of guys actually use the soldering iron for smt work
[22:39:43] <Tom_itx> i did for quite a while
[22:39:53] <enleth> it's just as fast for low pin count parts
[22:40:02] <Tom_itx> 0603 was ok, 0402 i could do but not efficiently
[22:40:16] <Tom_itx> yeah chips are easy
[22:41:25] <enleth> as for hot air, for a long time all we had was an el cheapo chinese hotair I bought in high school
[22:41:28] <enleth> and it was fine
[22:41:53] <Tom_itx> i'd probably just use that for desoldering
[22:42:08] <enleth> it works, but a proper desoldering gun is better
[23:29:48] <chupa3040t> cheap place for engraving cutters?
[23:31:20] <chupa3040t> what do people use for diamond jewelery engraving?
[23:32:26] <chupa3040t> or zippo lighters?
[23:45:29] <renesis> what do you mean by cheap?
[23:45:32] <renesis> 2linc.com
[23:45:47] <renesis> under $20 for an egraving bit
