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[00:00:35] <anomynous> you could combine different sources for output video and change between layouts if you want several
[00:01:31] <anomynous> hmm. Luulisin, että obs voisi toimia streamauksessa
[00:02:41] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBmrkE8HUbc so thats how they perferate things
[01:45:32] <Jymmm> OH YEAH BABY... Godzilla vs Mothra
http://www.crackle.com/godzilla-vs.-mothra
[02:01:31] <XXCoder> hey toastydeath
[02:01:39] <XXCoder> your site? heh
http://toastytech.com/index.html
[02:01:40] <toastydeath> eh?
[02:01:46] <toastydeath> oh god no
[02:01:51] <toastydeath> welcome to 1998
[02:02:13] <XXCoder> its one of best site for learning about many different OSes
[02:02:20] <XXCoder> but yeah very old
[02:02:39] <XXCoder> http://toastytech.com/guis/index.html
[02:41:41] <Deejay> moin
[02:42:51] <XXCoder> hey
[02:42:59] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
[03:16:00] <archivist> will I get a parcel from america before xmas!
[03:16:47] <archivist> ebay estimate is the 28th grrrr
[03:19:26] <archivist> do I make gears for some student "purchase gears for a clock mechanism I am designing for a Senior Project for mechanical engineering."
[03:19:43] <archivist> a cheat
[03:45:35] <anomynous> why cheat?
[03:45:39] <anomynous> does he have to make it all
[03:46:26] <trentster> Aaah - that was surprisingly easy R20 collet spindle did not come with any spanners - I just created them in Fusion360 and cut them. Came out surprisingly well. :-)
[03:46:39] <archivist> dunno, but a mechanical engineering course?
[03:46:46] <anomynous> if he designs more stuff and makes less ;)
[03:47:55] <anomynous> or designs more and makes more but sources some of it ;D
[03:47:56] <archivist> I think missing out on the making puts you at a design disadvantage
[03:48:34] <anomynous> well, if youre making everything from zero to a clock thats probably more than a schoolproject calls for.
[03:49:21] <archivist> checked his email, seems a university level
[04:22:08] <archivist> trentster, does that mean you fixed the vfd?
[04:23:09] <trentster> archivist: yeah I did drop you a message in the channel earlier about it.
[04:23:16] <trentster> I also messaged you privately
[04:23:40] <trentster> The only thing I still need help from you is to get the rpm output into an accurate range
[04:24:02] <trentster> It seems no matter what I try I can not get BOB to output more than 7V
[04:24:15] <trentster> I need it to do 10V for spindle frull rpm 24k
[04:24:42] <archivist> adjust scale to suit
[04:25:09] <XXCoder> wow
[04:25:15] <XXCoder> microsoft just dont care anymore]
[04:25:28] <XXCoder> can download any iso file now, I'm now downloading XP
[04:25:38] <XXCoder> (I have offical copy, just no cd drive!)
[04:25:45] <trentster> archivist canyout tell me what you are using with it ie: your setting?
[04:26:44] <archivist> only by switching my system on, and if I remember correctly I never bothered to scale mine accurately if at all, just made it work
[04:27:27] <anomynous> XXCoder, xp is free now?
[04:27:39] <XXCoder> nah still need serial #
[04:28:07] <archivist> I have some pcs with labels :)
[04:29:16] <XXCoder> might be just sp3 update cd
[04:31:16] <archivist> I got a load from a dead internet cafe, just looked XP home was on them
[04:32:32] <XXCoder> wish I could find my windows 7
[04:32:39] <trentster> archivist define made it work vs accurate
[04:32:39] <XXCoder> I cant even find serial #
[04:32:54] <trentster> does that mean its usable for you and in the range of acceptable?
[04:33:07] <archivist> yes
[04:33:45] <trentster> YOu have a low rpm spindle on your mill right - so you prpobably never ran into the voltage issue
[04:34:03] <trentster> I would be ineterested to see your settings regardless when you are back by machine.
[04:34:26] <trentster> I tried all the stuff I could find in the manuels but still can not get it into even the semi accurate ranges
[04:34:46] <archivist> just play with the numbers to scale it
[04:34:53] <archivist> it wont bite
[04:35:28] <archivist> also define accurate,
[04:38:47] <trentster> my definition of accurate on a 400hz 24k RPM spindle is: 8k rpm = 133Hz: 16k rpm = 266hz : 24k rpm = 400hz
[04:38:58] <trentster> I would be happy to get within 10% of those values
[04:40:32] <archivist> my numbers wont help you adjust yours, you have to set the min and max and hope it is linear enough to get mid range close
[04:41:46] <trentster> I dont like the whole digital to analog conversion part of the VFD setup, would love to be able to just tell the VFD I want 16k RPM and the VFD does the magic - much more elegant.
[04:43:06] <trentster> I also managed to embed a broken 1/8 inch endmill about 12mm deep into my finger today, that was fun! ….not!
[04:43:28] <trentster> especially the pulling it out part - yuck!
[04:43:39] <archivist> for most cutting spindle speed just affects quality of cut, noise and chip clearance there is usually a wide range of usable
[04:44:22] <archivist> you need the odd painful experience to educate you into some care :)
[04:46:15] <trentster> yup - you definately learn lessons when they are taught the hard way! :P
[04:46:53] <trentster> or at least most of us do - there are exceptions of course like stepping on a land mine.
[05:03:55] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/wszHHvw PLA matrix.
[05:03:58] <XXCoder> 128 gb ranm
[05:03:59] <XXCoder> ram
[05:04:01] <XXCoder> geez
[05:04:12] <XXCoder> my pc has 16 gb lol
[05:31:56] <jthornton> morning
[05:41:57] <MikkoP> Hi! :)
[05:43:48] <MikkoP> Got my stepper motors and drivers a few days back. Started to test them
http://i.imgur.com/k0nWa4x.jpg :D
[05:45:45] <XXCoder> hows it working so far
[05:46:49] <MikkoP> Just finished cutting the wires so haven't done anything so far :D
[05:52:58] <XXCoder> lolm ok
[05:53:50] <MikkoP> Now I'm trying to figure out how to wire the driver to Arduino
[05:54:06] <archivist> best not to, use linuxcnc!
[05:54:16] <kengu> :)
[05:54:28] <XXCoder> man
[05:54:32] <XXCoder> xp is so basic
[05:58:59] <MikkoP> archivist: hah :D
[05:59:11] <MikkoP> archivist: This is just for testing that the drivers and motors work :D
[05:59:53] <archivist> remember the aaaaarghuino probably wont like driving the opto leds in the drivers
[06:01:48] <MikkoP> That was actually something I wondered. Do I need to share ground with Arduino and the higher voltage?
[06:07:19] <archivist> the drivers need current
[06:07:44] <archivist> designed for 5v ish
[06:08:08] <archivist> series R is about 270-330 ohms
[06:30:30] <MikkoP> This is terrible. I don't have the correct awg wire so either they don't fit in the Arduino and breadboard or then they are too loose and the connection isn't good
[06:38:57] <archivist> breadboard are not suitable for high current, never wire steppers through them
[06:40:04] <MikkoP> archivist: I know, my stepper isn't wired there
[06:41:22] <archivist> jthornton, or get a secondhand renishaw
[07:09:32] <jthornton> I didn't see any in my price range
[07:10:40] <archivist> took me a while to find any in range
[07:11:19] <archivist> I just bought a bit of renishaw from the states
[07:11:29] <archivist> cheaper than over here
[07:12:00] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400683596800
[07:13:10] <jthornton> what is that?
[07:13:31] <archivist> it is a mount/socket for LT02 type probes
[07:14:18] <archivist> I bought a probe that had the optical rather than direct connection
[07:17:21] <jthornton> I removed all the optical part of this
http://gnipsel.com/images/fuji/fuji-01.jpg
[07:17:49] <jthornton> might add a Z axis and use it to measure stuff with the probe
[07:18:30] <jthornton> it does have a working DRO
http://gnipsel.com/images/fuji/fuji-06.jpg
[07:18:33] <archivist> I made an optical measuring thing out of a tool setting machine
[07:19:06] <archivist> add a camera maybe?
[07:20:13] <jthornton> that's an idea
[07:20:51] <jthornton> it has about 24" x 24" travel
[07:20:54] <archivist> the probe I got
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/-/221854999870
[07:22:31] <archivist> was expecting to use it on the cmm, but that came with one although the listing said not :)
[07:24:39] <archivist> the tool setting machine before/after
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=citizen
[07:25:21] <archivist> must pretty that up one day
[07:26:48] <jthornton> I have so many projects I can't even think of all of them
[07:27:16] <XXCoder> I hate mint update.
[07:27:17] <XXCoder> a lot.
[07:27:30] <jthornton> on what
[07:27:33] <XXCoder> it steals focus all time :(
[07:27:41] <jthornton> on debian?
[07:27:48] <XXCoder> yeah xfce mint
[07:28:08] <jthornton> I didn't care for xfce on mint
[07:28:30] <jthornton> i'm using mint mate
[07:28:48] <XXCoder> I love xfce, can change a lot.
[07:28:56] <XXCoder> gnome is so rigid
[07:29:06] <XXCoder> kde is quite rigid but useable
[07:48:10] <archivist> hmm, a student wants me to quote for two 10 to 1 gear sets without any dimensions and he states its for a clock!
[07:48:31] <archivist> wrong ratios, phail
[07:52:24] <archivist> what does senior project imply at university in the USA
[07:56:15] <XXCoder> archivist: assume its cubits
[07:56:36] <SpeedEvil> archivist: One would hope it implied that the student could tell the time well enough to know the number of hours in a day
[07:57:56] <XXCoder> those 2 10 ratios might be to extend weight fall time
[07:58:10] <XXCoder> but then 2 of em = more friction
[07:58:33] <XXCoder> I made a working clock weight and stuff from lego, and let me tell you guys, its hard
[07:58:42] <XXCoder> one gear literally exploded
[07:59:28] <archivist> SpeedEvil, but 10 to 1 says he lacks clue
[07:59:45] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[07:59:47] <SpeedEvil> regrettably
[07:59:53] <SpeedEvil> Or it could be a digital clock
[08:00:02] <archivist> how do they get into university!#
[08:00:27] <SpeedEvil> http://i.imgur.com/Xhb3WMp.webm
[08:00:30] <XXCoder> gears in digital clock. how reolutary
[08:00:46] <XXCoder> thats new one to me
[08:00:56] <XXCoder> mines weighted and escapement system
[08:01:04] <XXCoder> I'm sure I made lots of mistakes
[08:01:45] <SpeedEvil> I've been watching clickspring, and I don't understand how you'd make a lego clock. Blue doesn't even stick to plastic.
[08:02:19] <XXCoder> http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/clock.html
[08:02:34] <XXCoder> mine is based on his, but mine had issues.
[08:03:16] <SpeedEvil> neat
[08:04:10] <XXCoder> I got foot a hour system, which unfortunately was way too fast
[08:04:33] <XXCoder> he managed 1.41" a hour
[08:05:03] <archivist> add an electric wind
[08:06:00] <archivist> eg
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=webb+clock
[08:06:13] <SpeedEvil> Or
http://i.imgur.com/maHfCHd.gif - alternate winder
[08:06:31] <archivist> it uses gearing inside the barrel, no clicks needed
[08:41:15] <Tom_itx> jthornton, expect rain today:
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true&location=USKS0523
[08:41:42] <jthornton> yea after my nap I expect rain, it's sprinkling now
[08:41:57] <Tom_itx> been raining all night
[08:42:51] <Tom_itx> the bulk of it might slide by you
[08:43:06] <jthornton> that would be nice if it missed me
[08:43:29] <jthornton> prob work on my over the garage door shelves today... can't paint in the rain lol
[08:47:55] <MikkoP> XXCoder:
http://i.imgur.com/YYibXCZ.jpg
[08:49:19] <MikkoP> XXCoder: Here's a video
https://youtu.be/4M1Xv8s3D7U
[08:52:32] <MikkoP> archivist: I checked the breadboard's manufacturer's website and it says max 300 V and 5 A lol
[08:55:50] <tjtr33> pcw_home, could you guestimate cost of 6i25, cheapo postal shipping to ChiangMai Thailand 50100 and insurance? the tarrifs here are about 21% of those 3 totaled.
[08:59:18] <Jymmm> ONE BILLION DOLLARS <pinky to corner of mouth>
[09:04:58] <tjtr33> :)
[11:12:11] <JT-Shop> finally making chips again after all that work and computer swapping
[11:15:11] <Tom_itx> bbq or regular?
[11:19:32] <JT-Shop> I don't even know what a chip tastes like anymore lol
[11:19:47] <Tom_itx> hah
[11:19:55] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure i do either honestly
[11:41:47] <JT-Shop> looks like a wall of rain about 100 miles west of me
[11:46:18] <JT-Shop> nap time here
[11:46:44] <Roguish> hey JT. your Probe querry sure got a lot to response.
[11:47:12] <Roguish> I have added 'probe-screen' to my config. it's pretty good.
[11:47:41] <Roguish> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe
[11:47:56] <Roguish> try it, you'll like it.
[11:53:48] <Tom_itx> nice
[11:53:49] <JT-Shop> Roguish: cool
[11:55:03] <Roguish> pick up the files from his git
https://github.com/verser-git/probe_screen
[11:56:16] <JT-Shop> are the files big?
[11:56:23] <Roguish> not at all
[11:56:38] <Roguish> big like gigs?
[11:56:44] <Roguish> no
[12:00:06] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcazGaRj9Xs Jim Craig's Learning LinuxCNC channel
[12:00:30] <zeeshan|2> anyone here got linuxcnc-features working?
[12:00:51] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/S1cWSwF.jpg
[12:00:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/X9DwlTs.jpg
[12:02:23] <_methods> looks more like the learning about touchprobes channel
[12:02:28] <CaptHindsight> so lead does grow on trees up there :p
[12:03:24] <CaptHindsight> _methods: he said he's planning on several more
[12:07:34] <zeeshan|2> its not lead
[12:07:36] <zeeshan|2> its aluminum
[12:07:36] <zeeshan|2> :)
[12:08:24] <Roguish> zeeshan|2 : LinuxCNC Features >> see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJUiZVTXas
[12:08:37] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 those are aluminum leaves?
[12:08:47] <zeeshan|2> Roguish: i cant get it to run
[12:08:48] <Tom_itx> i thought you were casting lead
[12:08:49] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: yes
[12:08:52] <zeeshan|2> nahh
[12:08:59] <zeeshan|2> i said id like to try to cast lead too
[12:09:24] <Tom_itx> what did you do to get them to turn out?
[12:09:28] <Tom_itx> heat the mold more?
[12:09:32] <zeeshan|2> yes
[12:09:41] <zeeshan|2> you pretty much need the aluminum to stay molten
[12:09:44] <zeeshan|2> for like 30 seconds in the mold
[12:09:56] <zeeshan|2> and the only way i get that to happen was keep the mold at around 800C
[12:10:33] <zeeshan|2> other thing is
[12:10:40] <zeeshan|2> you need enough molding aluminum in the riser
[12:10:43] <zeeshan|2> *molten
[12:11:36] <Tom_itx> inside your oven?
[12:11:52] <zeeshan|2> i preheat mold in the same kiln yes
[12:12:36] <zeeshan|2> im really on a mission to get linuxcnc-features working today :{
[12:12:38] <Tom_itx> those are gonna be heavy ornaments
[12:12:40] <zeeshan|2> halp! !:D
[12:12:48] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[12:12:54] <zeeshan|2> theyre about 8oz each
[12:13:29] <Tom_itx> you bring me your intake manifold and i'll give you a leaf in return
[12:13:40] <zeeshan|2> haha
[12:16:21] <zeeshan|2> to make the mold
[12:16:24] <zeeshan|2> i used peel milling
[12:16:34] <zeeshan|2> for the stem specifically, i was using a 1/8" end mill
[12:16:38] <zeeshan|2> at .25 doc
[12:16:41] <zeeshan|2> it works amazing..
[12:16:44] <zeeshan|2> i really love peel milling!
[12:17:06] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: nah, are you sure, they look like lead from here :p
[12:17:16] <zeeshan|2> lead is a lot more greyer
[12:17:22] <zeeshan|2> its quite different :P
[12:17:27] <CaptHindsight> maybe it's my screen
[12:19:22] <zeeshan|2> lol
[12:19:28] <zeeshan|2> im looking at my electricity use from last night
[12:19:29] <zeeshan|2> wow!
[12:19:56] <zeeshan|2> its actually not that much
[12:19:57] <zeeshan|2> im suprised
[12:20:34] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/F2TDAiF.png
[12:20:37] <zeeshan|2> i had the cnc machine running
[12:20:44] <zeeshan|2> and oven running from 6 to 11
[12:21:02] <CaptHindsight> how many watts is your kiln?
[12:21:17] <zeeshan|2> only 4000W
[12:21:26] <zeeshan|2> oh and i had my other 4000W heater running
[12:21:39] <zeeshan|2> so that 9kWh is pretty spot on
[12:24:26] <t12> mornin
[12:29:42] <zeeshan|2> Roguish: do you use linuxcnc-features?
[12:30:13] <Roguish> zeeshan|2 no, i haven't used it but I have gotten it set up.
[12:30:35] <zeeshan|2> Roguish: is it the only glade panel in your linuxcnc?
[12:30:36] <zeeshan|2> (are you using axis)?
[12:30:52] <zeeshan|2> i want to set it up so its another tab on the gladevcp.
[12:30:59] <zeeshan|2> so it doesnt interfere w/ my custom panel i have setup
[12:31:14] <Roguish> usually. axis on the physical mill. whatever on my desk test system.
[12:31:34] <zeeshan|2> if i type ./features.py
[12:31:35] <zeeshan|2> it runs
[12:31:39] <zeeshan|2> but its another window
[12:31:47] <Roguish> I think it will actually run stand-alone.
[12:31:49] <zeeshan|2> but even w/ the other window, i try to make a simple bolt circle and get an error
[12:32:12] <zeeshan|2> gonna boot up the comp,.
[12:32:42] <Roguish> yeah, not sure. probably not much help here. it's been a while since I played with it.
[12:56:51] <maxcnc> good evening from germany
[12:57:13] <maxcnc> x-mas maket is over and ive sold 90% off all parts !
[13:17:13] <maxcnc> Gn8
[13:40:41] <anomynous> any americans around?
[13:42:08] <anomynous> i was wondering. Ive heard that it isnt really possible to get a carrier contract without getting a phone. Is that how americans get phones? Get a new contract and "free" phone which you pay by being tied to the contract for a period of time.
[13:43:01] <anomynous> are there any shops where theres a bunch of phones and you can pick the one you like?
[13:43:20] <anomynous> or are you also picking your carrier if youre picking your phone?
[13:45:24] <CaptHindsight> you can buy phones without a contract that are unlocked
[13:46:01] <anomynous> so theyre locked too. do they unlock after youve paid the phone to the carrier?
[13:46:13] <CaptHindsight> you can also buy a SIM and purchase talk&text seperatly from a phone
[13:46:30] <anomynous> dont phones always have sim?
[13:46:33] <cncbasher> zeeshan|2 , setting linux features in a glade tab is 2 lines in your ini file
[13:46:35] <CaptHindsight> you can buy them locked or unlocked
[13:46:56] <CaptHindsight> CDMA phones do not use a SIM
[13:47:03] <anomynous> is it possible to have carrier without phone?
[13:47:20] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: sure
[13:48:04] <CaptHindsight> many carriers will sell you a SIM and you can pay for a month of talk and text in advance
[13:48:11] <zeeshan|2> cncbasher: what are they? :)
[13:48:13] <zeeshan|2> i tried a few combos
[13:48:17] <CaptHindsight> you can move the SIM to any unlocked phone
[13:48:49] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: you can also just purchase data time in advance without any talk or text
[13:49:01] <anomynous> in advance? Here they charge after, but theres pre-paids also available
[13:49:17] <CaptHindsight> advance = pre-paid
[13:49:24] <anomynous> yes
[13:49:39] <CaptHindsight> just pay for the one month, no contract
[13:49:56] <anomynous> those are expensive here
[13:50:12] <CaptHindsight> it's been slowly coming down here
[13:50:40] <CaptHindsight> I get my phones in Hong Kong
[13:50:44] <anomynous> we have contracts and sims. people can get the phone they want, but theres also joined deals...
[13:50:48] <CaptHindsight> use them in the USA
[13:51:31] <CaptHindsight> if you buy a phone under contract here you can unlock it after you pay off the contract
[13:51:50] <anomynous> this came to my mind after seeing an advert saying: No annoying joined deals! You can buy device and carrier deal separate or joined. Either way it is equally cheap!
[13:51:52] <anomynous> or something
[13:53:22] <CaptHindsight> you can even have an unlocked CDMA phone and pre-pay for 1 month
[13:54:49] <anomynous> are joined deals the usual way to get a phone or something?
[13:55:13] <anomynous> its been some time, but ive heard that carriers have huge impact in usa in who can get in to the phone market and who can not
[13:55:24] <anomynous> some = a lot of time
[13:56:02] <CaptHindsight> since cellphones became status symbols people get their $800 phone for $100/mo over 2 years with talk/text/data
[13:57:00] <JT-Shop> Roguish: there is an error in the readme for probe
[13:57:01] <anomynous> so its really a $2400 phone? ;D
[13:57:33] <anomynous> or $2000 phone
[13:57:42] <Roguish> for probe-screen?
[13:57:47] <Roguish> could be.
[13:57:58] <CaptHindsight> $2400 with monthly service, so it works out closer to $1200 for service and $1200 for the phone
[13:58:10] <JT-Shop> emc/task/emctask.cc 389: interp_error: Named parameter #<_ini[toolsensor]rapid_speed> not defined
[13:58:48] <anomynous> thats quite a bit for the service
[13:58:55] <Roguish> rapid speed is put into the .ini file.
[13:59:36] <JT-Shop> it's there, the read me said RAPID_FEED after the error I changed it to RAPID_SPEED but still the same error
[14:00:23] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: most people don't seem to care or even notice, they just want their shiny status symbol
[14:00:30] <CaptHindsight> now
[14:00:33] <Roguish> yeah, deep into the posts that come up. also you gotta be really careful with the default speeds and such. it's set in metric.
[14:01:20] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: most of the market counts on consumers not being able to analyze, compare, plan etc
[14:01:21] <anomynous> CaptHindsight, unlimited everything is about half the price monthly
[14:01:35] <anomynous> or wanting that phone ;D
[14:01:50] <JT-Shop> yea I noticed that the speeds were mm
[14:02:12] <cncbasher> what error jt ?
[14:03:19] <Roguish> i've tested some of the routines, but not all of them. i don't have a real probe, just a janky test probe. figure i should play before investing and risking a real probe.
[14:04:17] <anomynous> CaptHindsight, thanks :) im going
[14:06:27] <JT-Shop> I was just playing on an Axis sim
[14:07:16] <Roguish> good idea.
[14:07:17] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t34.0-12/12358056_10153769532873648_499662788_n.jpg?oh=ce4489aadb1105dc4d3a93ba0fd0f16e&oe=56703DBE did a little box for some dog ashes today =)
[14:07:31] <MrSunshine> the mitered box is done in the cnc machine .. its amazin what a fit one can get =)
[14:11:04] <Roguish> MrSunshine, I always wanted to make a titanium box for my father.
[14:15:19] <MrSunshine> thats nice =)
[14:15:41] <MrSunshine> this one is for two dogs, they were buddies aparently .. so she wanted a box for the two to be together =)
[14:55:39] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/nRFpIh3.png
[14:55:44] <zeeshan|2> error that i am getting..
[14:58:35] <zeeshan|2> i think its a path error
[15:00:05] <ReadError> what is this features?
[15:01:50] <zeeshan|2> yes
[15:12:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 what do these new features do?
[15:12:11] <JT-Shop> its a graphical ngcgui
[15:12:11] <Tom_itx> seems to be a pain to make it work
[15:12:11] <Tom_itx> especially if you're using the side pannel already
[15:12:11] <JT-Shop> yea, they get too complicated and picky
[15:12:25] <Tom_itx> who wrote it?
[15:12:49] <JT-Shop> I think a russian guy did
[15:12:57] <JT-Shop> Nick somethign
[15:13:19] <zeeshan|2> gimme a few bit, ill be back
[15:13:52] <JT-Shop> I'd rather have a button that popped up something like my G code generator and when you close it your back in Axis
[15:14:19] <Tom_itx> or even a separate app
[15:14:32] <Tom_itx> seems a pain to integrate it
[15:15:00] <JT-Shop> launching a child from Axis then sending the output to Axis is not hard
[15:16:06] <Tom_itx> wonder when this weather is supposed to clear
[15:17:18] <JT-Shop> we are just on the edge of it and it's going NE
[15:17:23] <JT-Shop> or more NNE
[15:19:12] <JT-Shop> well let me see if I can weld the brackets the right way round this time :(
[15:19:20] <Tom_itx> heh
[15:19:46] <Tom_itx> seems about nap time
[15:22:31] <JT-Shop> been there done that today
[15:28:12] * irontree9 gazes into the oblivion of a compiling kernel and dreams of CNC machines.
[15:33:18] <irontree9> about a day away from firing up my first, a hobbycnc machine.
[15:33:46] <Deejay> gn8
[15:40:20] <JT-Shop> ended up with 4 left and 4 rights... now for some paint
[15:50:16] * JT-Shop gives up on probe screen... can't get it to work!
[16:41:53] <JT-Shop> over the garage door shelf brackets done and painted
[16:45:07] * JT-Shop listens to Rush, sips on a cold one and looks at a photo of a beach somewhere
[17:31:46] <JT-Shop> ouch the gladevcp docs are less than clear
[17:49:40] <zeeshan|2> lol jt
[17:49:42] <zeeshan|2> tell me about it!
[17:50:40] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 get it working?
[17:50:42] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/mcNffSC.jpg
[17:50:43] <JT-Shop> I need to work on them with some simple examples, I think folks relate better to simple
[17:50:46] <zeeshan|2> i was busy cleaning that :P
[17:50:51] <zeeshan|2> that one is for the wifey
[17:51:01] <JT-Shop> nice, you cast that?
[17:51:05] <zeeshan|2> yessir
[17:51:09] <JT-Shop> sweet
[17:51:17] <JT-Shop> what metal?
[17:51:17] <Tom_itx> painted?
[17:51:20] <zeeshan|2> al
[17:51:20] <Tom_itx> aluminum
[17:51:22] <zeeshan|2> no paint
[17:51:22] <zeeshan|2> bare
[17:51:28] <zeeshan|2> i think im gonna pocket a wood piece
[17:51:30] <zeeshan|2> and embed it in there
[17:51:31] <Tom_itx> it looks gold
[17:51:45] <Tom_itx> just the pic angle?
[17:52:19] <zeeshan|2> lol it looks silver on my screen!
[17:52:32] <zeeshan|2> color settings? :D
[17:52:34] <JT-Shop> looks goldish on my screen
[17:52:43] <zeeshan|2> wow
[17:52:48] <zeeshan|2> seriously looks silver on mine!
[17:53:00] <zeeshan|2> we have some optical illusion thing going on
[17:53:01] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:53:10] <Tom_itx> well we're both ole pharts and can't see
[17:53:16] <Tom_itx> you win
[17:53:22] <zeeshan|2> does it have a gold tinge
[17:53:24] <zeeshan|2> or is it completely gold
[17:53:29] <zeeshan|2> from your eyes
[17:53:37] <JT-Shop> huh what did you say
[17:53:40] <Tom_itx> sure you're not just hiding gold ingots?
[17:53:45] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:54:04] <Tom_itx> gold is more yellowish anyway
[17:54:05] <zeeshan|2> i learned a couple things about casting
[17:54:14] * JT-Shop works on his gladevcp probe tab
[17:54:19] <Tom_itx> don't spill it in your boot?
[17:54:20] <zeeshan|2> you really want your mold to be around 3/4 the temp of the metal
[17:54:30] <zeeshan|2> and the metal should be 250C over the melt temp
[17:54:34] <JT-Shop> yea the mold has to be very warm
[17:54:35] <zeeshan|2> otherwise it cools down too fast during pouring
[17:54:45] <JT-Shop> do you have a pyrometer?
[17:54:45] <Tom_itx> yeah that gives you time to work with it
[17:54:47] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:54:55] <zeeshan|2> i was going by making sure the mold was cherry red
[17:54:57] <JT-Shop> you can make them easy
[17:55:03] <zeeshan|2> and it remained cherry red after the pour
[17:55:18] <zeeshan|2> it takes 1 min to solidify
[17:55:21] <zeeshan|2> so not as efficient
[17:55:47] <zeeshan|2> also i now know why you gotta clean the slag before pouring
[17:55:47] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:55:57] <JT-Shop> casting cannon balls from lead we just put the mold over the furnace to warm it up
[17:56:05] <zeeshan|2> it stays as a percipitate in the melt
[17:56:08] <zeeshan|2> anmd ruins the surface finish
[17:56:16] <zeeshan|2> ah jt
[17:56:22] <JT-Shop> did you put salts in to pull the slag out
[17:56:25] <Tom_itx> what do you put in it to pull the impurities out?
[17:56:26] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:56:29] <zeeshan|2> just scooped the top
[17:56:31] <zeeshan|2> and poured :P
[17:56:37] <zeeshan|2> ghetto casting!
[17:56:43] <Tom_itx> you can put some powder in it...
[17:56:46] <Tom_itx> i dunno what it is
[17:56:52] <zeeshan|2> i think its some flux poweder?
[17:56:54] <Tom_itx> draws out the impurities
[17:56:54] <JT-Shop> sprinkle some morton lite salt in
[17:56:55] <zeeshan|2> powder
[17:57:40] <JT-Shop> you been to alloy avenue?
[17:57:46] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:57:52] <JT-Shop> you need to
[17:57:54] <JT-Shop> http://www.alloyavenue.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?4-Metalcasting-forums
[17:57:55] <zeeshan|2> btw i cant get glade to work with linuxcnc either :/
[17:58:15] <Tom_itx> where's your pic of the mold?
[17:58:24] <JT-Shop> the loadusr command messing you up?
[17:58:32] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/JGMOShj.jpg
[17:58:41] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: no im not sure what path its trying to look for
[17:58:50] <zeeshan|2> i got my status panel to become a tab using that load usr command
[17:58:50] <JT-Shop> I got it working but didn't like the way the docs
[17:59:22] <JT-Shop> nice mold
[17:59:32] <zeeshan|2> thanks :D
[17:59:41] <Tom_itx> yeah that does look nice
[17:59:44] <zeeshan|2> you guys gotta recommend me a proper engraving bit
[17:59:47] <JT-Shop> path for?
[17:59:49] <zeeshan|2> i really hate engraving
[17:59:51] <Tom_itx> what bit did you use for the veins?
[17:59:59] <zeeshan|2> china carbide bs
[18:00:00] <zeeshan|2> thats all i had
[18:00:04] <Tom_itx> i got my engraving bits off ebay
[18:00:12] <zeeshan|2> they break too easy
[18:00:21] <Tom_itx> i just used em on aluminum
[18:00:42] <Tom_itx> check that carbide place jt likes
[18:00:49] <zeeshan|2> GLADEVCP = -U --catalog=lathe features.ui FEATURES_PATH = /home/zeeshan/linuxcnc-features
[18:00:54] <zeeshan|2> i aded those two lines in the ini
[18:00:56] <zeeshan|2> and it freaks out
[18:01:03] <Tom_itx> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[18:01:11] <Tom_itx> they may have some, i dunno
[18:01:16] <zeeshan|2> ill check it
[18:01:59] <JT-Shop> you need to know one word about engraving Onsurd
[18:02:13] <JT-Shop> oh you trying the features stuff...
[18:02:20] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:02:32] <zeeshan|2> basically says
[18:02:39] <zeeshan|2> "could not find glade file 'features.ui''
[18:02:39] <JT-Shop> Onsrud
[18:02:44] * zeeshan|2 googles
[18:02:54] <Tom_itx> yeah they make good stuff
[18:03:30] <JT-Shop> that ini line don't look like anything I've seen
[18:03:34] <Tom_itx> http://ballewsaw.com/onsrud-37-01-single-flute-sc-engraving-tools.html
[18:03:41] <Tom_itx> you'll pay for em too
[18:03:54] <zeeshan|2> hm
[18:03:59] <zeeshan|2> they dont look much diff than the china ones
[18:04:21] <zeeshan|2> http://www.2linc.com/engraving_tools_tough_tip.htm
[18:04:22] <JT-Shop> they say that they don't do steel... but they do
[18:04:22] <Tom_itx> maybe better carbide
[18:04:24] <zeeshan|2> this looks really nice
[18:04:39] <zeeshan|2> and strong
[18:04:44] <zeeshan|2> but never heard of this company before
[18:04:47] <zeeshan|2> ive heard the name onsurd before
[18:05:11] <JT-Shop> Onsrud
[18:05:11] <Tom_itx> those might hold up better than the half round ones china makes
[18:05:20] <JT-Shop> I misspeleld it
[18:05:22] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:05:54] <JT-Shop> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[18:05:57] <Tom_itx> i musreaded what you misspeleld so it came out perfict
[18:06:11] <JT-Shop> that's where I get my carbide end mills from
[18:06:18] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:06:36] <JT-Shop> that was funny right there, I don't care who you are
[18:06:52] <zeeshan|2> wow
[18:06:55] <zeeshan|2> their prices are nice
[18:07:01] <zeeshan|2> 27 bux for a3/8 carbide rougher
[18:07:05] <Tom_itx> lakeshore?
[18:07:08] <zeeshan|2> made in usa
[18:07:08] <zeeshan|2> yea
[18:07:11] <zeeshan|2> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/38carbideroughingendmill.aspx
[18:07:17] <JT-Shop> they make some good stuff
[18:07:21] <Tom_itx> some dude here swears by em
[18:07:26] <JT-Shop> been using them for years
[18:07:43] <zeeshan|2> ive been scavenging ebay for hanita
[18:07:46] <zeeshan|2> :D
[18:07:52] <zeeshan|2> ill give these guys a try
[18:08:18] <zeeshan|2> i hate it when i follow instructions
[18:08:19] <zeeshan|2> word for word
[18:08:23] <zeeshan|2> and things dont work :(
[18:08:34] <JT-Shop> yea, know what you mean
[18:08:41] <zeeshan|2> the only difference is i have python 2.6
[18:08:43] <zeeshan|2> and not 2.7
[18:08:47] <zeeshan|2> i dont think that should make a big diff
[18:08:56] <zeeshan|2> cause ive got the app working standalone
[18:09:02] <zeeshan|2> but just not embedded
[18:09:04] <JT-Shop> shouldn't make much difference
[18:09:12] <JT-Shop> what OS are you running?
[18:09:17] <zeeshan|2> 10.04
[18:09:34] <zeeshan|2> i will upgrade to wheezy when i get the new mobo
[18:09:40] <JT-Shop> yuck
[18:09:45] <zeeshan|2> im copying that system you listed on the forums
[18:09:54] <JT-Shop> I hated wheezy
[18:10:03] <JT-Shop> LinuxMint with Mate
[18:10:06] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you still use lucid on anything?
[18:10:15] <JT-Shop> yea
[18:10:25] <JT-Shop> lucid = 10.04?
[18:10:25] <zeeshan|2> why mint over debian
[18:10:27] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:10:38] <Tom_itx> yes
[18:10:42] <JT-Shop> much better behaved
[18:10:50] <JT-Shop> yea, 3 have 10.04 on them
[18:10:54] <os1r1s> Whats a good brushless DC motor driver for sherline/taig sized machines?
[18:11:00] <Tom_itx> why do they keep switching flavors?
[18:11:03] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: what behaves better? The desktop?
[18:11:05] <os1r1s> Was it applied motion controls?
[18:11:07] <zeeshan|2> linuxcnc mint -- are their precompiled real time packages?
[18:11:07] <Tom_itx> support?
[18:11:09] <JT-Shop> debian with anything is annoying
[18:11:39] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxmint/mint-emc.txt
[18:11:43] <Tom_itx> os1r1s, pcw_home probably has one
[18:11:50] <JT-Shop> no, but it only takes a few to set up
[18:12:20] <zeeshan|2> those are detailed instructions :)
[18:12:24] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight: debian wheezy is just very annoying to use, nothing works right
[18:12:33] <CaptHindsight> I ran Linuxcnc on Mint maybe 18 months ago. Also tried Mate
[18:12:36] <JT-Shop> installed it 6-8 times to be sure
[18:12:56] <JT-Shop> well nothing except openbox on debian
[18:12:57] <CaptHindsight> we run Gentoo on anything we want to be able to fix
[18:13:03] <zeeshan|2> somoene please install linuxcnc-features with me :{
[18:13:07] <zeeshan|2> https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[18:13:10] <zeeshan|2> instructions onthis page!
[18:13:19] <JT-Shop> why do you want that?
[18:13:27] <zeeshan|2> nice interface
[18:13:28] <zeeshan|2> for g-code
[18:13:45] <zeeshan|2> its really the most feature filled conversational addon
[18:13:55] <zeeshan|2> way better than torcrap
[18:14:03] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: where does your install fail?
[18:14:12] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: i can't get the embeded version to work
[18:14:28] <zeeshan|2> i can type ./features.py in the application directory, and get it to launch standalone
[18:14:31] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, what ver lcnc does that work on?
[18:14:39] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: as far as i know, any
[18:14:41] <zeeshan|2> 2.6+
[18:15:00] <Tom_itx> will it work if you're using a ngcgui pannel already?
[18:15:08] <zeeshan|2> it just seems like linxcnc doesn't know where to look for the file "features.ui"
[18:15:11] <zeeshan|2> it cant find it
[18:15:45] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: does it create this path when you install? FEATURES_PATH = /home/fernand/linuxcnc-features
[18:15:54] <zeeshan|2> no
[18:16:01] <zeeshan|2> you download it to a directory of your choice
[18:16:26] <Tom_itx> it probably wouldn't work in sim would it?
[18:16:36] <zeeshan|2> it should
[18:16:52] <CaptHindsight> and then change the above FEATURES_PATH = to the actual one?
[18:16:59] <zeeshan|2> i did :)
[18:17:05] <zeeshan|2> it wont find features.ui
[18:17:08] <zeeshan|2> the first line
[18:17:14] <CaptHindsight> but it doesn't want to work eh :(
[18:17:50] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2: did you create the links?
[18:17:54] <zeeshan|2> ues
[18:17:56] <zeeshan|2> yes
[18:18:20] <zeeshan|2> they have an automatic setup file
[18:18:22] <zeeshan|2> gonna try that..
[18:18:29] <zeeshan|2> brb
[18:18:30] <JT-Shop> your going to make me try it aren't you?
[18:18:48] <Tom_itx> he keeps dropping hints for ya
[18:18:54] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:19:31] <Tom_itx> i don't wanna screw up my current setup or i'd try it
[18:19:43] <JT-Shop> I'll do a sim
[18:20:43] <Contract_Pilot> Sup...
[18:21:14] <Contract_Pilot> Mesa still out of stock on the 7I76's no responce to e-mails going on 3 months now.
[18:21:16] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: you have a probe?
[18:21:51] <JT-Shop> ask Peter
[18:22:03] <Contract_Pilot> May have to use this 7I77 and go to servo's on my 704 hahaha over kill.
[18:22:08] <Tom_itx> i do but it's not hooked up
[18:22:50] <Tom_itx> i understand he's been ill or had surgery or something
[18:23:46] <JT-Shop> yea something about health I've heard...
[18:27:16] <Contract_Pilot> Ahhh
[18:28:01] <JT-Shop> do you have a parallel port?
[18:28:03] <gregncnc> three months, uh oh i'm only 3 weeks in on an order I might end up with Pico
[18:29:47] <gregncnc> those of you doing rigid tapping how much encoder resolution do you have? Is anyone doing it without tension compression tap holders?
[18:30:53] <zeeshan|2> did you get it to work jt? :-)
[18:30:54] <JT-Shop> everyone is doing it without springy things
[18:31:01] <zeeshan|2> damn wifey yelling for dinner
[18:31:03] <zeeshan|2> =/
[18:31:16] <JT-Shop> no, errors lol
[18:31:26] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:31:35] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, when's your probe gonna arrive?
[18:32:05] <JT-Shop> dunno
[18:32:12] <Tom_itx> gregncnc yeah i'm even doing rigid tapping on a measly sherline
[18:33:04] <Tom_itx> i've got a 500 cpr encoder on the spindle
[18:33:19] <JT-Shop> gregncnc: can't recall but I may have a 1000 line encoder on the BP and not sure about the CHNC
[18:33:24] <Tom_itx> you could probably get by with less
[18:35:46] <JT-Shop> the forum seems to be much more active since the upgrade...
[18:36:11] <Tom_itx> wonder why
[18:36:33] <JT-Shop> dunno
[18:37:19] <Tom_itx> did you get your store fixed?
[18:37:21] <gregncnc> I'm thinking about doing gear tooth quadrature on my lathe, this would be low maybe 240CPR
[18:37:43] <JT-Shop> should work fine
[18:38:03] <zeeshan|2> tom whats the biggest tap you ran on the sherline
[18:38:04] <gregncnc> 24USD for 3 hall sensors vs 130 for a US digital encoder
[18:38:19] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, not very big.. the spindle is a tiny motor
[18:38:22] * JT-Shop listens to a little Steely Dan before retiring to the couch
[18:38:41] <JT-Shop> automationdirect.com
[18:38:42] <zeeshan|2> if you can tap a 10-24
[18:38:47] <zeeshan|2> youre already way ahead a tormach! :D
[18:38:56] <Tom_itx> i think that's what i did in the demo video
[18:39:33] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2: features won't run on 10.04
[18:39:42] <zeeshan|2> why??
[18:39:43] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g99lUtjLfMU&feature=youtu.be
[18:39:45] <zeeshan|2> gives yuou errors?
[18:39:47] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 ^^
[18:39:49] <JT-Shop> python 2.7
[18:40:09] <Tom_itx> i don't think it would work without PID
[18:40:15] <zeeshan|2> nice tom
[18:40:18] <JT-Shop> I get other errors, I just read on the forum about 10.04
[18:40:32] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: if you run setup
[18:40:36] <zeeshan|2> you gotta change the path from 2.7
[18:40:37] <zeeshan|2> to 2.6
[18:42:11] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/user/Gnipsel/videos
[18:42:30] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4-lUNa0CpY
[18:42:52] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isTD6bDF_LI
[18:45:02] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ghppRTfp2M
[18:45:12] <zeeshan|2> wow that baby indexs fast
[18:45:33] <JT-Shop> crashes fast too
[18:45:37] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:45:55] <zeeshan|2> 5c collet doesnt look happy
[18:46:02] <zeeshan|2> some sharpnelk came :)
[18:46:03] <JT-Shop> 16c
[18:46:07] <zeeshan|2> oh
[18:46:23] <zeeshan|2> did it stop completely crashing
[18:46:27] <zeeshan|2> cause it ferrored?
[18:46:37] <JT-Shop> yea following error killed it
[18:46:45] <zeeshan|2> nice
[18:46:46] <zeeshan|2> love that.
[18:47:36] <JT-Shop> you watch the last one?
[18:48:01] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: you got a cool accent :)
[18:48:07] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:48:08] <zeeshan|2> very cow boyish
[18:48:19] <Tom_itx> the first one looked like you got hung up in the lathe :D
[18:48:41] <JT-Shop> freaked me out when it crashed
[18:48:42] <zeeshan|2> steepness is hard to judge in pov
[18:48:49] <JT-Shop> yea
[18:48:56] <JT-Shop> it's steep
[18:49:15] <Tom_itx> ahh i had the volume down... didn't notice the crash
[18:49:22] <zeeshan|2> do you guys have blackbears thee
[18:49:35] <zeeshan|2> im curious what that sharpnel was :)
[18:49:39] <zeeshan|2> was it the tool tip or the collet
[18:49:54] <JT-Shop> yea, I saw one the other day chewing on a deer
[18:50:01] <zeeshan|2> nice :P
[18:51:02] <JT-Shop> time to strap on the feed bag
[18:51:11] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[20:04:55] <zeeshan|2> got linuxcnc-features working!!!!!!!!1
[20:05:01] <zeeshan|2> it was a config error in the .ini
[20:05:13] <zeeshan|2> it is still not embedded
[20:05:20] <zeeshan|2> but at least the standalone is outtputing code to axis :)
[20:05:30] <Tom_itx> nice
[20:05:37] <Tom_itx> document it
[20:05:46] <zeeshan|2> 3 clicks to do a rectangular bolt pattern
[20:05:46] <zeeshan|2> haha
[20:05:48] <zeeshan|2> im loving this
[20:06:09] <Tom_itx> will it run on 10.04?
[20:06:21] <Tom_itx> i may try it standalone if it does
[20:07:00] <zeeshan|2> yes it will
[20:07:07] <zeeshan|2> but youre gonna have to change a couple things for it to install right
[20:07:13] <zeeshan|2> its not a lot of work
[20:07:15] <Tom_itx> document it!!!
[20:07:15] <zeeshan|2> once you figure out the steps
[20:07:23] <zeeshan|2> no!
[20:07:24] <zeeshan|2> install it now!
[20:07:26] <zeeshan|2> and see if it works
[20:07:30] <Tom_itx> i can't right now
[20:07:35] <zeeshan|2> tommo
[20:07:47] <zeeshan|2> basically you download as instructed on the github
[20:08:05] <Tom_itx> working on a catia part atm
[20:08:07] <zeeshan|2> then edit the setup file inthe linuxcnc-features folder and change the 2.7 to 2.6 for python
[20:08:11] <zeeshan|2> and then add the lines :
[20:08:27] <zeeshan|2> program_prefix = path/to/linuxcnc-features/scripts
[20:08:53] <Tom_itx> does it run from axis then?
[20:09:02] <zeeshan|2> uinder rs274, subroutine_path = path/to/linuxcnc-features/lib
[20:09:08] <zeeshan|2> now you can run the standalone and it works
[20:09:16] <zeeshan|2> im still trying to get the embedded version to work
[20:09:28] <zeeshan|2> it loads up the linuxcnc-features program
[20:09:32] <zeeshan|2> but not the actual program
[20:09:35] <zeeshan|2> so reading a bit more
[20:10:12] <Contract_Pilot> Also need some 2.75" X 6" X 6" plate
[20:10:19] <Contract_Pilot> Steel
[20:14:43] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 quicker than cad for easy stuff?
[20:14:50] <zeeshan|2> yes
[20:14:51] <zeeshan|2> 100%
[20:15:04] <zeeshan|2> theres a lot of times im just circle milling like 4 holes in a plate
[20:15:06] <zeeshan|2> and doing some bolts
[20:15:12] <zeeshan|2> i can do it on the machine now
[20:15:17] <zeeshan|2> also slots
[20:15:27] <zeeshan|2> going to be super useful
[20:15:49] <zeeshan|2> its basically conversational
[20:22:32] <zeeshan|2> i just learned
[20:22:36] <zeeshan|2> 'bobo' stands for "fool"
[20:22:39] <zeeshan|2> in spanish
[20:22:44] <zeeshan|2> i think bobo has been trolling us :)
[20:24:37] <toastyde1th> i wonder how fast i can drill four holes on a plate freehand
[20:24:45] <toastyde1th> I've never timed myself cnc vs totally manual
[20:33:53] <zeeshan|2> finally i got it working
[20:34:01] <zeeshan|2> toastyde1th: a cnc will beat you every time :)
[20:34:07] <zeeshan|2> at least it beats me every time
[20:34:40] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: got the embedded tab working
[20:36:14] <toastyde1th> ?
[20:36:17] <toastyde1th> I beat cnc all the time
[20:36:34] <toastyde1th> i just don't know if i can beat something like a bolt hole pattern
[20:37:29] <toastyde1th> I would cut short-run parts (1-5 or 1-10, based on complexity) on manual machines frequently because the total time was shorter up to a point
[20:37:39] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpXTIskm-yY
[20:37:44] <MrSunshine> now thats ... what i call porn
[20:38:02] <zeeshan|2> how do you beat it for even a single hole?
[20:38:06] <zeeshan|2> you feed inconsistently
[20:38:10] <zeeshan|2> where it consistently feeds
[20:38:11] <toastyde1th> ?
[20:38:18] <toastyde1th> okay, so two machinists are handed a drawing
[20:38:24] <toastyde1th> and you say "go"
[20:38:35] <toastyde1th> the CNC is much faster in the cut, no question
[20:38:40] <zeeshan|2> if its just one hole
[20:38:48] <zeeshan|2> i have a center drill tool setup always
[20:38:57] <zeeshan|2> the only thing i'd hjave to do is load up a tool
[20:39:11] <zeeshan|2> and g83 it up
[20:39:24] <toastyde1th> this is why I'm curious if I would beat a cnc for a bolt pattern
[20:40:09] <toastyde1th> for very simple stuff like that where the machine is already half set, it can work in the machine's favor
[20:40:49] <XXCoder> heys
[20:41:15] <MrSunshine> in the wood working shop my cnc beats my hand skills hands on :P
[20:41:26] <toastyde1th> because I would probably do it on a drill press rather than a mill, because I can scribe a circle and mark it pretty quickly
[20:41:46] <MrSunshine> on flat goods :P
[20:41:53] <toastyde1th> on round goods too
[20:42:05] <toastyde1th> it's not like I never have to cut things that are round
[20:42:10] <XXCoder> I guess if theres unusual bolt hole pattern cnc is faster + more accurate
[20:42:21] <toastyde1th> round goods are often easier to do than square ones because of the radial symmetry
[20:43:57] <toastyde1th> threads are another good example where the cnc almost always wins
[20:43:58] <zeeshan|2> i had to think about it
[20:44:05] <MrSunshine> but yeah, some stuff its alot faster just to go to the manual tools . specialy on small series =)
[20:44:27] <toastyde1th> even doing stuff like bolt holes, you have to set work height and x/y
[20:44:32] <toastyde1th> even with a ready drill
[20:44:38] <zeeshan|2> if youre doing one hole, and youre doing a stadnard center drill and drill
[20:44:41] <toastyde1th> if you're lucky there's a useful stop
[20:44:44] <toastyde1th> and you already know
[20:44:47] <zeeshan|2> manual guy would win (and thats why i have a drill press) :P
[20:44:55] <zeeshan|2> but i think at 3 holes, a cnc mill would win
[20:44:57] <toastyde1th> even for several holes, it's very easy to change tools
[20:45:05] <zeeshan|2> cause you'd need to probe the drill tool
[20:45:09] <zeeshan|2> and type in the g83 code
[20:45:10] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: not if dead simple, like in row
[20:45:21] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: doesnt matter
[20:45:24] <zeeshan|2> you still gotta read a dro
[20:45:25] <zeeshan|2> it takes time.
[20:45:32] <zeeshan|2> while the cnc is rapiding between the 3 holes
[20:45:50] <toastyde1th> you are oversimplifying the process to program a cnc for a real part
[20:45:51] <zeeshan|2> and changing the tool by itself between the center drilling and drilling
[20:46:00] <zeeshan|2> am i?
[20:46:07] <zeeshan|2> it is really simple to program a drill pattern
[20:46:13] <zeeshan|2> and even simpler now with linuxcnc-features
[20:46:14] <toastyde1th> generally I do not want scrap, and typos are too common
[20:46:15] <zeeshan|2> its 3 clkicks
[20:46:49] <toastyde1th> it is also really easy to overlook work offset issues that you do not catch without a proof run
[20:47:24] <XXCoder> cnc wins quite quickly if you need to do more than onepart I'm sure.
[20:47:25] <zeeshan|2> well if you're really so persistent on wanting to do it manually
[20:47:27] <toastyde1th> it's easy on parts that are like, well, if i fuck this up who cares it's for my grandma's bingo drum
[20:47:37] <zeeshan|2> i load up a drill manually
[20:47:38] <zeeshan|2> dont even setup the Z
[20:47:54] <zeeshan|2> rapid to where i need to go to and manually plunge
[20:47:57] <toastyde1th> I'm not persistent, i'm reflecting on the fact I've cut metal for a living
[20:48:15] <toastyde1th> and looking at our cost/part for cnc vs manual depending on the operations and how complex they were
[20:48:39] <toastyde1th> and trying to figure out which i'd use for something simple like that if i only needed a few
[20:50:06] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/HgejjYN.png
[20:50:34] <zeeshan|2> doing those 6 holes on the top view
[20:50:55] <zeeshan|2> i can put $100 on that ill beat a manual machinist on a cnc machine that im running manually :)
[20:51:12] <toastyde1th> that you're running manually? i'd also make that bet
[20:51:21] <toastyde1th> that I'm running manually? that part takes like 30 seconds on a drill press
[20:51:30] <zeeshan|2> no it doesnt :P
[20:51:35] <toastyde1th> okay!
[20:51:42] <zeeshan|2> ill give you a 100$
[20:51:47] <zeeshan|2> to make a video of you doing it in 30 seconds
[20:51:48] <toastyde1th> i take your superior experience and knowledge
[20:51:52] <XXCoder> 17 holes
[20:51:54] <zeeshan|2> no
[20:51:56] <zeeshan|2> juist the 6 holes
[20:51:58] <zeeshan|2> in 30 seconds
[20:52:01] <zeeshan|2> 100$ usd
[20:52:05] <zeeshan|2> make a video witha clock in it
[20:52:10] <zeeshan|2> otherwise stop talking shit
[20:52:11] <zeeshan|2> thanks :)
[20:52:17] <XXCoder> oh 6 holes thought you was counting all holes and blind holes
[20:52:19] <toastyde1th> and you've done what professionally?
[20:52:22] <zeeshan|2> they better be within .010
[20:52:31] <zeeshan|2> toastyde1th: youre not the only pro machinist here
[20:52:32] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 is defending his new found toy
[20:52:34] <zeeshan|2> im a pro engineer and machinst :)
[20:52:45] <Tom_itx> i'm bound to be a pro at something
[20:52:52] <zeeshan|2> and im a pro internet fighter
[20:53:00] <XXCoder> I'm pro on being crappy
[20:53:02] <zeeshan|2> and i challenge you!
[20:53:06] <toastyde1th> okay, i bow to your superior machining experience
[20:53:11] <zeeshan|2> good
[20:53:17] <zeeshan|2> now if you want to argue with me
[20:53:20] <Tom_itx> pfft
[20:53:23] <zeeshan|2> i expect a video showing those holes done in 30 seconds
[20:53:32] <zeeshan|2> with your master machinist skills on a manual machine
[20:53:44] <zeeshan|2> and ill be lenient and allow 30 thou variation of position
[20:53:46] <toastyde1th> it's not master machinig skills, it's something a first year apprentice learns to do
[20:53:49] <zeeshan|2> instead of the 10 thou this drawing calls for
[20:53:55] <toastyde1th> *machining
[20:53:57] <Tom_itx> toastyde1th i doubt you can scribe the holes and be as accurate as a cnc
[20:54:04] <zeeshan|2> yes so you should be able to make a 1004 bux fast.
[20:54:07] <zeeshan|2> 100$
[20:54:16] <zeeshan|2> its cheap money to be made in 30 seconds!
[20:54:17] <toastyde1th> Tom_itx, definitely not as accurate
[20:54:50] <zeeshan|2> i open up the challenge to everyone!
[20:54:51] <toastyde1th> how this whole thing got started is because I have routinely cut parts on manual machines because doing so was faster than cnc and we had the time/part to prove it
[20:54:56] <zeeshan|2> first one gets the 100 :D
[20:55:00] <toastyde1th> and was contemplating if i would be faster on a cnc or on a manual
[20:55:02] <toastyde1th> and now we're here
[20:55:06] <toastyde1th> with zeeshan pissing into the wind
[20:55:11] <zeeshan|2> im having fun
[20:55:19] <zeeshan|2> manual machinists are funny :)
[20:55:31] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: trying to get someone else to quit channel eh
[20:55:42] <zeeshan|2> no
[20:55:45] <Tom_itx> cnc monkeys are funny too
[20:55:46] <zeeshan|2> he better not quit :{
[20:55:49] <toastyde1th> I'm not really sure what that means, "cnc machinist"
[20:55:53] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i agree on that :P
[20:56:04] <toastyde1th> because everyone i worked with did both
[20:56:12] <zeeshan|2> i love how people try to argue manual machines anre superior to cnc machines
[20:56:21] <zeeshan|2> and their explanation is "i can turn dials faster"
[20:56:22] <toastyde1th> huh?
[20:56:22] <Tom_itx> A) they can't fix the program and B) they couldn't make it on a manual mill
[20:56:33] <zeeshan|2> my machinist buddy was saying it
[20:56:36] <toastyde1th> who is saying one is superior to the other?
[20:56:41] <zeeshan|2> then im like dude "type g0 x y"
[20:56:43] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 seems to be
[20:56:44] <zeeshan|2> you're in position.
[20:57:29] <toastyde1th> you pick the goddamn right tool for the job, and if my data shows that my manual side of the shop cuts the part faster for a specfic population of parts, then i use the manual side of the shop because it's cheaper
[20:57:47] <toastyde1th> i'm not sure what that has to do with one being somehow better
[20:57:54] <zeeshan|2> how is a manual any different than a cnc?
[20:57:58] <zeeshan|2> you can literally use the mdi
[20:58:03] <zeeshan|2> to do exactly what the manual guy is doing
[20:58:09] <Tom_itx> the monkey behind the wheel
[20:58:10] <MrSunshine> i like the little argument that "you need to draw it up on the computer" also .. then the "manual machinist" goes to his dykem? gets his scales, his scribes and punches then sits down for half an hour doing layout work :P
[20:58:12] <zeeshan|2> and you can do it a lot better by providing an exact feedrate
[20:58:21] <zeeshan|2> there is no comparison.
[20:58:35] <toastyde1th> okay, except there is a comparison, and that's time per part
[20:58:39] <toastyde1th> at a given scrap rate
[20:58:45] <toastyde1th> that is literally how machine shops operate
[20:58:51] <Tom_itx> for one part it's hardly worth a cnc unless it's a very complex part
[20:58:52] <zeeshan|2> the only things i can possibly think of that makes a manual desriable is cost of machine, cost of maintenance, less skill required
[20:59:04] <toastyde1th> oh man you're a huge moron
[20:59:05] <toastyde1th> i get it
[20:59:06] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: if you were to only have one machine at your shop
[20:59:07] <toastyde1th> sorry
[20:59:11] <zeeshan|2> which one would it be?
[20:59:14] <zeeshan|2> manual? or cnc
[20:59:19] <zeeshan|2> cnc does everything a manual can.
[20:59:28] <zeeshan|2> instead of handles, you got a joystick
[20:59:37] <toastyde1th> you need to get more experience machining
[20:59:39] <zeeshan|2> and if you really want to make something complex, run g-code.
[20:59:42] <toastyde1th> is about all i can say now
[20:59:46] <zeeshan|2> toastyde1th: ive got 10 years
[20:59:53] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 i can't make that choice
[20:59:53] <zeeshan|2> good try
[20:59:56] <toastyde1th> running a hacksaw doesn't count
[21:00:11] <zeeshan|2> im suprised i make toastyde1th so mad
[21:00:12] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[21:00:21] <toastyde1th> you don't, i'm flabbergasted you're so naive
[21:00:25] <Tom_itx> heh
[21:00:39] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: why not
[21:00:42] <Tom_itx> i did test specimens on a manual but i also did them on a cnc
[21:00:56] <Tom_itx> it made no difference to me really
[21:01:06] <Tom_itx> but for some parts, you can't make them on a manual machine
[21:01:15] <zeeshan|2> you can
[21:01:18] <zeeshan|2> you only need a rotary table
[21:01:23] <zeeshan|2> and you gotta offset the part 10 times.
[21:01:24] <zeeshan|2> :)
[21:01:31] <Tom_itx> but for others it's more cost effective to use a cnc
[21:02:06] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i have a couple of friends that run machine shops
[21:02:18] <Tom_itx> i would _prefer_ a cnc because i like programming
[21:02:18] <MrSunshine> and the most awesome thing with cnc is that after youve made the first part .. you can make another one alot faster :P
[21:02:20] <zeeshan|2> their manual mill sees little to no use
[21:02:24] <MrSunshine> that is the same
[21:02:28] <zeeshan|2> MrSunshine: thats true
[21:02:34] <Tom_itx> but if all i could have was a knee mill i'd be delighted
[21:02:36] <zeeshan|2> but im trying to explain that instead of handles you have mdi
[21:02:44] <zeeshan|2> you can do the exact same thing faster than a manual machine
[21:02:52] <zeeshan|2> cause if you've ever turned dials, you'll know it sucks.
[21:02:59] <zeeshan|2> if you have a dro, its a bit better, but you'll still overshoot
[21:03:03] <zeeshan|2> and try to get back into position
[21:03:07] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, you can't _feel_ the machine with mdi buttons
[21:03:11] <zeeshan|2> cnc doesnt have that prob
[21:03:13] <Tom_itx> and sometimes you need to feel it
[21:03:19] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: that is one of the most reasonable complaints
[21:03:23] <toastyde1th> zeeshan is being a willfull idiot at this point
[21:03:29] <toastyde1th> i wouldn't spend too much time engaging the argument
[21:03:31] <zeeshan|2> but you rely more on noise
[21:03:37] <Tom_itx> toastyde1th, fuel the fire
[21:03:48] <zeeshan|2> i made toastyde1th so mad
[21:03:52] <zeeshan|2> now he's resorted to name calling
[21:03:53] <zeeshan|2> nice
[21:03:56] <zeeshan|2> mission success
[21:03:59] <Tom_itx> he's just defending his new toy
[21:04:00] <toastyde1th> call a spade a spade
[21:04:12] <toastyde1th> ot
[21:04:18] <toastyde1th> oops
[21:04:48] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i need to make a couple of those parts this week
[21:04:54] <zeeshan|2> im glad i got that linuxcnc features workin
[21:05:06] <zeeshan|2> perfect for this job
[21:09:47] <irontree9> opps need rtai duh.... forgot
[21:11:01] <Tom_itx> which parts?
[21:11:50] <irontree9> kernel
[21:11:50] <zeeshan|2> that one i posted
[21:11:52] <zeeshan|2> for the challenge
[21:12:00] <irontree9> oh nm
[21:16:40] <Tom_itx> i missed that
[21:27:12] <trentster> howdy all
[21:27:29] <MrSunshine> is it worth updating to 2.7.x ?
[21:27:45] <MrSunshine> or is it still young? =) thinking of new trajactory planer etc
[21:39:07] <trentster> I updated 2 weeks back - no issues encountered for me.
[21:55:48] <zeeshan|2> its got trajectory planner
[21:55:54] <zeeshan|2> made a big difference for me
[21:56:04] <zeeshan|2> (positive)
[21:58:01] <Tom_itx> there were quite a few improvements in 2.7
[21:58:23] <Tom_itx> but i jumped from 2.5 and skipped 2.6
[22:24:01] <XXCoder> flipping great.
[22:24:21] <XXCoder> I got a tablet and small part of screen dont detect touches
[22:36:23] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zBeURXCv_k&feature=em-subs_digest
[22:36:26] <XXCoder> nice
[22:37:00] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: wonder if you can do that lol
[22:37:09] <XXCoder> he made all that
[22:37:13] <XXCoder> (besides leds and wires)
[22:42:48] <Jymmm> maybe he dug up the copper ore, and grew his own silicone for the leds =)
[22:42:56] <XXCoder> maybe lol
[22:43:34] <XXCoder> lol doctor who reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2rhQSTtVK0
[22:43:39] <XXCoder> was unexpected
[23:10:26] <Erant> Well, that end mill didn't last nearly as long as I'd hoped...
[23:10:49] <XXCoder> Erant: how long did it last and what material
[23:15:49] <Erant> I was cutting aluminum, removed something along the lines of 15 cubic inches of material.
[23:16:01] <Erant> I have a feeling I may have just been a little rough with it
[23:16:25] <Erant> It still cuts, just at like half the speed of a sharp one, with a bunch of chatter and hot chips.
[23:17:03] <Erant> Throws up burrs left and right.
[23:17:22] <XXCoder> cutting alim tools should last quite a long while
[23:19:48] <toastyde1th> Erant, what's your chip load?
[23:22:45] <Erant> Euh, lemme math for a sec.
[23:23:47] <Erant> 0.004in/tooth
[23:23:57] <toastyde1th> strange
[23:24:04] <toastyde1th> number of flutes?
[23:24:19] <Erant> Actually, maybe more like 0.002
[23:24:27] <Erant> 2 flute 3/8" cutter.
[23:24:34] <toastyde1th> were you slotting?
[23:24:41] <Erant> Yah
[23:24:53] <toastyde1th> two things could be causing this
[23:24:57] <toastyde1th> .002 is a rather light chip load
[23:24:58] <XXCoder> slotting is pretty stressful?
[23:25:06] <Erant> It's full WOC
[23:25:23] <toastyde1th> personally i would recommend you slow the rpm of the endmill down
[23:25:30] <toastyde1th> and try to get the chip load up
[23:25:47] <toastyde1th> next, slotting needs to have chip clearance - you have to have something removing the chips
[23:26:03] <Erant> Right, I've got a vacuum sucking them out.
[23:26:13] <toastyde1th> usually doesn't do the trick
[23:26:33] <XXCoder> toasty, I saw a video doing different with slots, the tool (which is little smaller than cut slot size) moves in circles as it moves forward
[23:26:51] <XXCoder> basically circles with moving center
[23:26:57] <toastyde1th> i recommend using air if you can, because what you need to do is get the chips out from the back end of the cutter
[23:27:19] <toastyde1th> they stick to the cutter and as it comes around again, get wedged between the work and the cutter and that dulls it
[23:27:26] <toastyde1th> thinner chips are more prone to this
[23:27:42] <toastyde1th> and yeah, that circular "bite" is how a good cnc toolpath will avoid recutting chips
[23:28:23] <toastyde1th> i would recommend around .007" chip load per tooth
[23:28:47] <toastyde1th> and if that is going too fast for your machine, slow the spindle and feed rate down to maintain that .007 until it cuts nicelyt
[23:28:53] <toastyde1th> blow air right behind the endmill
[23:29:00] <Erant> I have a slightly less rigid machine, so I'm not sure how well a 0.007" chip load will work...
[23:29:06] <Erant> But I'll give that a shot.
[23:29:13] <toastyde1th> generally it does not stress the machine out
[23:29:20] <toastyde1th> go slow, but take heavy chip loads.
[23:29:34] <toastyde1th> the hp/torque is not a function of chip load
[23:29:58] <toastyde1th> (actually taking a big chip reduces the amount of power required)
[23:30:38] <toastyde1th> another more annoying trick is to keep your slotting passes shallow
[23:31:16] <toastyde1th> anything over .100 is actually quite a big load for a 3/8th endmill
[23:31:20] <toastyde1th> (.100 deep)
[23:31:31] <Erant> I run 'm at 0.05"
[23:31:38] <toastyde1th> excellent
[23:32:18] <anomynous> i usually slot at about 0.5*dia
[23:32:25] <Erant> k, I'll give the low RPMs a shot, see if the thing makes any crunchy sounds. :)
[23:32:34] <toastyde1th> it's going to make a lot more noise
[23:32:52] <toastyde1th> that is not actually a problem, you just can't hear the sound higher speeds make
[23:33:18] <toastyde1th> another, great trick is to use a roughing endmill for slotting
[23:33:22] <toastyde1th> they tolrate nonsense a lot better
[23:33:41] <XXCoder> corncob?
[23:33:44] <XXCoder> or too much?
[23:33:52] <toastyde1th> corncob, yes - same thing
[23:34:07] <Erant> 2 flute or 3 flute?
[23:34:11] <toastyde1th> they have two advantages, one they let you take huge chip loads that you wouldn't be able to take normally
[23:34:15] <toastyde1th> and their metallurgy is different
[23:34:22] <toastyde1th> they are much duller, but highly shock resistant
[23:34:26] <toastyde1th> ductile, almost
[23:34:34] <toastyde1th> either one works for slotting
[23:34:37] <toastyde1th> 2 vs 3
[23:34:47] <toastyde1th> the canonical answer is 2 flute is better for a full slot
[23:35:07] <toastyde1th> but i have found that to be wrong just as often as it helps
[23:35:19] <toastyde1th> 3 flute will reduce chatter
[23:35:29] <toastyde1th> 2 flute causes less deflection and has better chip clearance
[23:35:46] <toastyde1th> 3 flute also requires much lower gearing if you're power/rigidity limited
[23:35:52] <toastyde1th> and that can be an issue in small machines
[23:36:36] <Erant> I have a brushless spindle, no gearing in my drive train.
[23:36:44] <toastyde1th> then definitely stick with two
[23:37:01] <toastyde1th> corncob/roughing mills are also going to be a savior for you
[23:38:03] <toastyde1th> they're designed so that at each depth, only one flute on the endmill is cutting that part of the metal
[23:38:25] <toastyde1th> so with a 2 flute endmill, if you have a .005" chip load, you will have close to a .010" chip load on the rougher
[23:38:30] <toastyde1th> much lower power consumption
[23:38:47] <toastyde1th> (and thus less torque on the drivetrain and axis drives)
[23:39:03] <Erant> Any recommended places to get 'm? eBay seems to mostly have 3-4 flute ones...
[23:39:21] <toastyde1th> unfortunately not, I have not been in a machine shop in quite some time
[23:39:42] <toastyde1th> although i'll say people in here and on the hobby forums are great resources
[23:39:47] <toastyde1th> for finding tool vendors
[23:39:53] <anomynous> mm... im not an expert, but bigger your chipload, the more material you remove per some distance cutter edge is in material. And with slow enough speed your cutter doesn't dull too fast. But if your chipload is too big your cutting edges could break you might not meet tolerances you want to. :U
[23:39:56] <Erant> Fair enough. I've got a few places to look still.
[23:40:30] <toastyde1th> anomynous, it's never the cutter edge that breaks, cutters break up where the flutes terminate
[23:40:41] <toastyde1th> if you have an edge failure it's 99% of the time heat related
[23:40:48] <toastyde1th> or a chip recutting issue
[23:41:02] <anomynous> thanks
[23:41:21] <Erant> I check heat relatively frequently. The cutter's never hot, the chips can be quite hot though.
[23:41:32] <toastyde1th> you don't really have to worry about heat in aluminum
[23:41:48] <toastyde1th> ~700 sfm in a non-slotting cut is about the maximum for HSS tooling
[23:42:01] <toastyde1th> for carbide... however fast the machine will spin.
[23:42:15] <anomynous> if you have cooling and dont melt aluminium around the cutter
[23:42:37] <toastyde1th> the faster you go the more heat stays in the chips, so you don't actually need cooling
[23:42:52] <Erant> Looks like roughing mills don't really seem to come in 2 flute.
[23:42:57] <toastyde1th> (for aluminum)
[23:43:10] <toastyde1th> I'd try the heavier chip load first
[23:43:18] <toastyde1th> and if that fails, go to a 4 flute and see what happens
[23:43:23] <anomynous> want a pic on alumium dipped carbide endmill? :D
[23:43:24] <toastyde1th> (4 flute rougher)
[23:43:54] <toastyde1th> anomynous, i routinely cut aluminum w/ a 5" diameter plain carbide insert facemill at 6k rpm
[23:44:21] <toastyde1th> .300 depth of cut, 4" feed over
[23:44:42] <anomynous> it also depends on alumium alloy
[23:44:47] <anomynous> 7k series you can cut fast
[23:44:50] <anomynous> 6k can melt
[23:44:51] <toastyde1th> it really doesn't
[23:45:02] <Erant> I ran a 4 flute end mill at 20IPM @ 2.5k RPM after I discovered that my 2 flute was dull. Ripped through much faster than what I've done before.
[23:45:32] <Erant> No chatter, clean cuts.
[23:45:49] <toastyde1th> yeah, small cutter diameters are a bit of a clusterfuck unfortunately
[23:46:32] <Erant> Right. 3/8" is my 'workhorse'. I can do 1/2" cutters, but...
[23:47:44] <Erant> TiCN give me anything?
[23:47:53] <anomynous> well...
https://www.anony.ws/image/JuLd
[23:47:55] <toastyde1th> not at the speeds you're likely to be running
[23:48:14] <toastyde1th> anomynous, that's the result of chip recutting and ejection, not speed
[23:48:20] <toastyde1th> you can do that (and I have) at 100 rpm
[23:48:46] <Erant> anomynous: Aluminum popsicle!
[23:48:53] <anomynous> Erant, yea ;D
[23:49:21] <toastyde1th> TiCN is a solid lubricant, so when you run the cutter hot enough to melt the aluminum at the cutting face, it kinda sizzles and slides like water on a hot pan
[23:49:44] <toastyde1th> very very nice at high speeds because the chips completely fly off the cutter and you don't need any chip flushing
[23:49:59] <Erant> Ah, yeah. Useless to me.
[23:50:01] <toastyde1th> for low speeds, you're better off with polished endmills
[23:50:15] <toastyde1th> because the welding effect is mostly surface adhesion and is not a real metal-metal bond
[23:50:51] <Erant> Probably get this guy:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-8-3-Flute-Cobalt-CP-35-Helix-Roughing-End-Mill-For-Aluminum-Melin-USA-15638-/310989501189?hash=item48686b3305:m:mZUSR1N5Rd6rljKuZcg6BGQ
[23:51:05] <toastyde1th> yeeaaah boyeee, that's the ticket
[23:51:14] <toastyde1th> definitely give that one a try
[23:51:16] <Erant> Along with some regular 2 flutes.
[23:52:04] <toastyde1th> play around with lower speeds and bigger endmills if you can - not now, but in the future
[23:52:20] <toastyde1th> a big big mistake people make is to see the SFM reccomendations for a cutter/material and try to hit it
[23:52:28] <toastyde1th> the sfm recommendation is a maximum
[23:52:55] <toastyde1th> especially in roughing, you want that end mill rotating as slow as you can get it without losing torque from your motor
[23:53:02] <XXCoder> that cnc tool calculator says it tries to find best sweet spot but dunno
[23:53:23] <toastyde1th> imo those are all bullshit
[23:53:44] <Erant> toastyde1th: Slight advantage with the brushless is that it has a flat torque profile.
[23:55:00] <toastyde1th> yeah, definitely preferable to the alternative
[23:55:33] <toastyde1th> there is a book by Sandvik
[23:55:38] <toastyde1th> "Modern Metal Cutting"
[23:55:48] <toastyde1th> it is basically an introduction to cutting physics, and I strongly recommend it
[23:55:53] <toastyde1th> hard to find though
[23:57:12] <Erant> I'll try to track it down, my gut feel is probably not the right one 95% of the time.
[23:57:20] <Erant> "More RPMs must be better"
[23:57:44] <toastyde1th> there's too much that can go wrong, too many variables to have a quick and easy calculator
[23:57:54] <toastyde1th> you CAN calculate this stuff but the equations are... large.
[23:59:28] <toastyde1th> and they include some terms you cannot easily measure, even for a professional shop
