#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-12-12

[00:37:25] <t12> https://www.instagram.com/p/_LmUWwACgR/
[00:37:28] <t12> astrotracker guts
[01:53:31] <XXCoder> nice little overtime today :D
[02:32:36] <Deejay> moin
[02:34:35] <zeeshan> :)
[02:34:43] <zeeshan> tgif
[02:35:22] <XXCoder> hey zeeshan
[02:35:26] <zeeshan> hi
[02:35:26] <XXCoder> whats up
[02:35:34] <zeeshan> sleepy :)
[02:35:48] <zeeshan> long night
[02:35:53] <zeeshan> made this w/ a friend
[02:35:54] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zbMLqVc.jpg
[02:36:08] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/JGMOShj.jpg
[02:36:10] <zeeshan> after heating up
[02:36:15] <zeeshan> cant wait to cast tomorrow!
[02:36:17] <XXCoder> thats awesome looking
[02:37:07] <Deejay> yeah
[02:37:20] <zeeshan> canada!!
[02:37:24] <Deejay> maple!
[02:37:32] <zeeshan> we're making our coworkers these cast presents
[02:38:37] <XXCoder> casting with what material?
[02:38:43] <zeeshan> al
[02:38:53] <XXCoder> nice!
[02:41:46] <zeeshan> i think its time to watch cosmos episode :D
[02:41:54] <tiwake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCgnWqoP4MM
[02:42:34] <XXCoder> wow
[02:43:13] <XXCoder> saw it use joystick to center the pin then insert joystick into it
[02:43:18] <XXCoder> simple.
[02:44:08] <Deejay> i should chinese ppl make them by hand
[02:44:11] <Deejay> *thought
[02:46:06] <maxcnc> Morning from Germany ;-)
[02:46:16] <maxcnc> starting a hard workday
[02:46:54] <maxcnc> finish line woudt be about 1 ton of metal sheet today on plasmas
[02:47:59] <maxcnc> Rainy weather jhere
[02:53:44] <XXCoder> cool
[02:53:53] <XXCoder> today I had 5 hours overtime work
[02:54:01] <zeeshan> $$$$$$$
[02:54:17] <XXCoder> made 70 of bars. so much fun :P I hate that job yet I seem to be always one who do it lol
[02:54:23] <XXCoder> 70 out of 1388
[02:54:44] <XXCoder> half of my time was taken by reprogramming as old one was pretty lousy
[03:04:16] <maxcnc> on more then 1k parts go to a profManufacture and ask for a price
[03:04:35] <maxcnc> its much better outcome as i understand it
[03:04:50] <XXCoder> maxcnc: sure but then why would I subcontract my job ;)
[03:05:01] <XXCoder> its my job, working for company to make parts
[03:05:14] <maxcnc> ok thats different
[03:05:28] <XXCoder> you kinda assumed there :D
[03:05:50] <maxcnc> if i got a order on more then 25 eqal parts i go lasercutting order them
[03:06:38] <maxcnc> better parts will lead to more orders om my understanding
[03:07:00] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:07:38] <maxcnc> im off ;-) got to work
[04:40:49] <_abc_> Hello. Does anyone have a pattern link for lead screw protection bellows (open type 'U') folding helper/patterns?
[04:41:03] <_abc_> Either drawing or full project or such?
[04:41:16] <XXCoder> hey
[04:41:18] <archivist_> see also camera bellows
[04:41:24] <XXCoder> _abc_: maybe at thingverse?
[04:41:26] <_abc_> I saw a lot of diy folded bellows but no help with the thing used to shape it. It comes out sh*tty by hand.
[04:42:00] <_abc_> XXCoder: Not really, folding bellows and other origami (!) like activities are pleasant the 1st 2-3 times if you're a kid, after that, you want to really get on
[04:42:04] <archivist_> it is just care to get good bents
[04:42:07] <archivist_> bends
[04:42:11] <_abc_> Also this is not going to be paper but some plastic which needs to be scored
[04:42:31] <_abc_> archivist_: exactly. There are about 300 bends in a small bellows like I need, and I am not THAT perfect.
[04:42:37] <_abc_> Also I want to make about 12 of them.
[04:43:01] <archivist_> they get damaged in use too so dont be too fussy either
[04:43:15] <_abc_> I just want it to look good until I break even >;)
[04:43:32] <_abc_> Will use plastic sheet anyway, scored or folded + heated edges or such
[04:43:43] <_abc_> But I am looking for an idea for the initial folding.
[04:43:58] <archivist_> plastic may not be flexible enough
[04:44:10] <_abc_> It is. The ready made machines I use use that.
[04:44:21] <XXCoder> oh yeah! bellows
[04:44:22] <_abc_> But it is not a real bellows just a 'creased sheet'
[04:44:25] <XXCoder> sorry missed that lol
[04:44:34] <archivist_> vinyl or some other flexible
[04:44:38] * _abc_ bellows at XXCoder : BELLOWS
[04:44:46] <XXCoder> lol
[04:44:49] <_abc_> archivist_: it's semi hard vinyl or mylar or such
[04:44:54] <archivist_> he cannot hear you
[04:46:20] <XXCoder> felt him though lol
[04:46:45] <_abc_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc-router-table-machines/15195-need-template-way-covers-bellows-origami.html nor am I the 1st one to worry about this.
[04:47:15] <XXCoder> did you check out third post 3 links?
[04:47:51] <_abc_> Heh can one use a CNC to score the sheet for said bellows... I think yes. On both sides, one by one...
[04:48:06] <_abc_> What tool would one use? I think a non spinning dull point?
[04:48:23] <_abc_> And something slightly compliant as backing like HDPE plate?
[04:48:24] <XXCoder> what material again?
[04:48:34] <_abc_> Some semi rigid vinyl or such
[04:48:36] <archivist_> I used to collect cameras, that is where I first messed about with them
[04:48:52] <XXCoder> maybe you could make a custom "pointy" tool
[04:48:59] <XXCoder> which can pus dragged around to score
[04:49:01] <_abc_> Yeah the 'bellows' for simple mill lead screws are simple concertina things, not 3d.
[04:49:22] <_abc_> XXCoder: Of course it would be custom. I'll dull the point on one of my scorers...
[04:49:37] <XXCoder> maybe hard rubber as backing
[04:49:46] <_abc_> I have HDPE plates.
[04:49:48] <archivist_> all the flold technically need to be done at the same time which is why a simple tool wont work easily
[04:49:51] <XXCoder> not too sure how firm base need to be
[04:50:02] <_abc_> Neither am I ... thus, asking...
[04:50:05] <XXCoder> actually a pen might work
[04:50:13] <XXCoder> rolling ball at tip
[04:50:30] <XXCoder> but strong enough to indent
[04:50:37] <_abc_> archivist_: I don't know. If I stretch the rectangular sheet on 2 end holders screwed down, I can in theory score it.
[04:50:50] <archivist_> hard rubber and a v in a press to crease
[04:50:59] <_abc_> v in a press?
[04:52:11] <_abc_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gcU1ClVw-FA/UajSds6NYRI/AAAAAAAAAC0/foUI0YiXuhM/s320/ydro.jpg archivist_ see the concertina sheet? That's all I want for now.
[04:52:13] <archivist_> http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/v-bending-force but replace the lower with a complient material
[04:52:38] <_abc_> http://benchtopmachineshop.blogspot.ro/2013_05_01_archive.html scroll down for more pics if not clear
[04:52:39] <archivist_> plane is trivial
[04:53:07] <_abc_> archivist_: It turns out it is not trivial. One needs to pre-score on 2 sides, fold forcibly, and heat set the plastic folded.
[04:53:32] <_abc_> It needs to be mostly under tension or it will bulge out on compression and get in the way. I have nice end mill holes in some to show.
[04:54:12] <archivist_> just fold up then compress
[04:54:31] <_abc_> It doesn't want to stay in shape unless heated and allowed to set while compressed
[04:54:43] <archivist_> heat gun
[04:54:55] <_abc_> The next step is to do a 'U' bellows using the same setup later
[04:55:11] <_abc_> archivist_: indeed. But 1st it needs to be folded down and staying put while you grab the gun etc
[04:55:48] <archivist_> should be simple to clamp between some plates
[04:56:08] <_abc_> Yes... once persuaded to stop trying to get out, which it DOES want to.
[04:56:39] <_abc_> Folding 100 creases in an elastic PVC or Vinyl sheet requires some jig. I want ideas on said jig...
[04:58:32] <_abc_> Ah they call those accordion way covers
[04:59:13] <XXCoder> heated wire at base of hidged jig?
[04:59:25] <XXCoder> bend, hit button to briefly heat wire
[05:00:04] <_abc_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxxb6TEy0fU hmm blinds material.
[05:00:20] <_abc_> Also, what do seamstresses/tailors use to make plisse skirts ?
[05:00:41] <XXCoder> I hate zoom in and fade.
[05:00:51] <XXCoder> and that guy uses it just few billion times
[05:01:14] <_abc_> watch eedave movies and you'll immediately LOVE the quick slideshow mode this guy uses.
[05:01:37] <XXCoder> honestly its still better than camera on random springs mode.
[05:01:46] <_abc_> Ah he used some coating on it afterwards. I wonder if the Ikea curtains are Tyvek.
[05:02:14] <_abc_> I would not use Nitrocellulose spray paint on anything in a machine shop...
[05:02:23] <_abc_> But Polyurethane is an option...
[05:02:29] <XXCoder> plastic dip
[05:02:34] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:07:00] <_abc_> https://www.google.com/patents/US2295857 right, 1942...
[05:08:17] <XXCoder> ah old is best sometimes
[05:08:29] <XXCoder> like lost art of controlling wires by string
[05:08:37] <XXCoder> fancy lacework
[05:08:58] <_abc_> I am not into opening a textile factory...
[05:09:36] <_abc_> Apparently Ikea has a selection of these Plisse style blinds, not just the one in the video. Worth a visit.
[05:15:25] <XXCoder> theres other way I guess
[05:15:30] <XXCoder> roller
[05:15:39] <XXCoder> type that has spring it pull back in
[05:15:45] <_abc_> Roller + shavings / chips / swarf = fail
[05:16:30] <XXCoder> actually not when you arrange it so when it rolls while pulling in, as it turns chips are swept and or fall off
[05:16:37] <XXCoder> but then bit complex :P
[05:18:30] <_abc_> Problem is everyone talks about accordion folding paper which will hold shape and fabric which is sewn and ironed into place. Somehow, everyone shies away from doing that with plastic. No doubt, with very good reason.
[05:18:48] <XXCoder> you can always use sewing machine
[05:18:59] <XXCoder> correctly done it will hold shape
[05:19:08] <XXCoder> but man so much sewing.
[05:24:19] <archivist_> plastic cannot stand too much flex
[05:34:39] <XXCoder> _abc_: any other material besides plastic that would work?
[05:36:48] <_abc_> rubber sheet, mylar, ptfe
[05:38:19] <enleth> http://triadbellows.com/products/pressure-expansion-joints/single/ - end of the page
[05:38:44] <_abc_> Yeah, right ;)
[05:41:50] <XXCoder> fancy.
[05:42:36] <_abc_> Having a machine which requires bellows large enough to stand in upright with lots of room to spare... I don't want that, but some in this channel might drool at the thought.
[05:44:26] <XXCoder> use those bellows as fancy door, with some cnc stuff
[05:44:34] <XXCoder> click button and it comes up
[05:45:03] <_abc_> Yeah the steel bellows can probably make you jump a block or so if they get loose with you in the way.
[05:47:01] <_abc_> I was once in an exhibition hall at a machinery fair, walked past a vertical turret/turntable mill so large I did not realize what it was until I had walked past it (it was like 10 booths wide)
[05:47:25] <_abc_> "best viewed from a helicopter at least 150m up"
[05:47:40] <XXCoder> wow
[05:50:22] <_abc_> XXCoder: look for 'large vertical mill' on google images
[05:50:35] <XXCoder> ok
[05:51:01] <XXCoder> large.
[05:51:19] <XXCoder> theres some interesting designs too
[05:51:28] <XXCoder> some easily homebrewable
[05:51:33] <_abc_> HEH
[05:51:54] <XXCoder> I saw video of wire cnc as large as big room
[05:52:06] <XXCoder> it could craft 1:1 car. few of em
[05:52:14] <_abc_> http://www.k-mm.com/large-machining/#large_machining_121_124 XXCoder mill data sample
[05:52:30] <_abc_> .oO( but can it be operated by linuxcnc ... )
[05:52:47] <XXCoder> so big it needs special flooring
[05:52:54] <_abc_> Absolutely.
[05:53:11] <_abc_> Even small mills require special flooring for weight and vibration reasons.
[05:53:14] <XXCoder> I really need a pendant for my cnc machine
[05:53:35] <XXCoder> my machine may be tiny but keyboard interface really sucks.
[05:53:58] <_abc_> I find it better than 'Chinese' machine's pushbutton only pendant.
[05:54:25] <XXCoder> theres chinese one thats just $50 but has pulse generator and stfuf
[05:54:55] <_abc_> I know, but have you tried them? I tried those and the kind with one jog wheel and lots of buttons. Both suck.
[05:55:11] <XXCoder> still better than keyboard though
[05:55:41] <_abc_> Disagree. Just make a box with buttons wired to the keyboard's controller. You can use a spare controller/kbd usb type for this.
[05:55:42] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-New-Wireless-USB-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Mach3-For-CNC-Mac-Mach-3-4-axis/32282517280.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.1.Dt9wWy&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_7_79_78_77_82_80_62,searchweb201644_0,searchweb201560_8
[05:56:05] <XXCoder> few buttons but theres knob for xyz and encoder wheel which is really all I need.
[05:56:17] <XXCoder> its wireless which cost a little bit more
[05:56:21] <_abc_> Have you tried it out? I have tried such a thing, did not like it.
[05:56:31] <XXCoder> what was wrong?
[05:57:04] <_abc_> I would not be surprized if there's be a phone app to do it now. Tilt phone to control xy, lower and raise to traverse Z, rotate to turn vertical axis table...
[05:57:33] <_abc_> XXCoder: awkward operation, unsuitable stepping for the jog wheel, you still have to push buttons a lot.
[05:57:51] <XXCoder> heh crash by dropping phone...
[05:58:04] <XXCoder> I had one, I certainly dont wanna see another crash.
[05:58:14] <_abc_> There already is a quite fancy phone based DRO. See TouchDRO on youtube. Free too.
[05:58:25] <_abc_> You had ONE crash? Rookie!
[05:58:52] * _abc_ frequently operates Chinese mills with no end stops and or end stops only on one end.
[05:59:27] <_abc_> XXCoder: you need a jog pendant like this http://www.k-mm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/large_machining_121_control_picture5.jpg ...
[05:59:58] <XXCoder> it was... "fun" crash. chuck crashed into fixture, pushed it into next kurt jaw
[06:00:08] <XXCoder> it spun to well past its max closed
[06:00:12] <XXCoder> cracked itself
[06:00:16] <_abc_> Okay that is not good.
[06:00:23] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:00:23] <_abc_> Programming error?
[06:00:38] <XXCoder> no, okuma does not change tools when tis first tool
[06:00:48] <XXCoder> and I forgot to change tools to first one for program
[06:00:49] <_abc_> hm?
[06:01:00] <_abc_> Oh. Ouch.
[06:01:02] <XXCoder> okuma suck on that
[06:01:21] <_abc_> I don't know Okuma at all but I'll remember that.
[06:01:35] <XXCoder> depends on year I bet
[06:01:39] <XXCoder> its somewhat old model
[06:01:46] <_abc_> More likely on sw version?
[06:01:55] <XXCoder> though its AWESOME on one way, it moves spindle for Z and Y
[06:01:59] <XXCoder> table only does X
[06:02:06] <XXCoder> means its always easy to reach parts
[06:02:09] <_abc_> Gantry?
[06:02:26] <_abc_> oh okay
[06:02:27] <XXCoder> no, it just moves down up and forward and back
[06:02:35] <XXCoder> strange design
[06:02:46] <_abc_> Well many manual older mills are exactly like that
[06:02:49] <XXCoder> but always easy to access table which is good if you has very heavy stock
[06:03:07] <XXCoder> not that okuma at work does many heavy poarts lol quite old
[06:03:25] <_abc_> Does it pay reasonably well to be a machinist in usa now?
[06:03:25] <XXCoder> that controls one isnt bad
[06:03:31] <XXCoder> dunno
[06:03:42] <XXCoder> I get paid enough to be happy its fine
[06:04:01] <XXCoder> I like how that one has labels and borders
[06:04:11] <XXCoder> fadal (later generation) sucks lol
[06:04:26] <_abc_> One big touchscreen?
[06:04:37] <XXCoder> early fadal (fadal 88) is very old but still better than other fadal
[06:04:56] <XXCoder> fadal 88 I use at work is quite worn but still running stuff
[06:05:07] <_abc_> http://www.k-mm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/large_machining_126_siemens_840d_control_picture4.jpg
[06:05:19] <XXCoder> _abc_: nah, just whole sheet of "touch buttons"
[06:05:24] <XXCoder> barely grouped
[06:05:29] <_abc_> Can you see the pattern? No jog 'wheel', just buttons.
[06:05:31] <XXCoder> no border, no labels besides buttons
[06:05:44] <XXCoder> yeah pendant of one you linked sucks
[06:05:54] <XXCoder> I like okuma basic pendant
[06:07:05] <_abc_> http://bullseyeindustrialsales.com/okuma-e0189-653-025-pendant-controller-robot-panel-new-c7512d111 ?
[06:07:17] <XXCoder> what the hell is that
[06:07:31] <XXCoder> holy shit
[06:07:41] <XXCoder> so bad
[06:07:46] <_abc_> I think it's for robots not mills
[06:07:48] <_abc_> Not sure
[06:07:56] <XXCoder> "robot panel
[06:08:16] <_abc_> 8 DOF from the looks of it
[06:08:36] <_abc_> 10
[06:09:09] <XXCoder> machine I use may be so old theres almost none else left
[06:09:15] <XXCoder> or maybe rest broke down
[06:09:21] <_abc_> http://atomictoasters.com/2011/10/bcms-4-a-craven-brothers-tool/ "medium" sized carousel vertical mill
[06:09:40] <_abc_> 1953...
[06:09:45] <XXCoder> one I use broke its spindle twice and although it can do 10k rpm its capped at 4500 rpm by company policy because it breaks
[06:10:40] <XXCoder> anyway its pendant is simple. e-stop, knob for 1x to 50x, xyz
[06:10:46] <XXCoder> *knobs
[06:10:54] <_abc_> No wheel?
[06:10:55] <XXCoder> and of course encoder
[06:11:01] <_abc_> Ah
[06:11:04] <_abc_> "of course"
[06:11:22] <_abc_> I want to try a joystick jog some time. A proper one, no idea where or when that will be possible.
[06:11:45] <_abc_> Not the crummy toy kind, the nice new ones with CAN bus like the ones used on modern cranes and diggers.
[06:12:06] <XXCoder> I have nendendo controller with usb, I plan to play around with it and cnc evenually
[06:12:21] <XXCoder> in least it allows me to lug little controller rather than big keyboard when setup
[06:13:12] <_abc_> Get a USB numeric keypad and map the keys to axis jogs.
[06:13:34] <XXCoder> that could work too
[06:13:48] <XXCoder> its fine short term, I still want real pendant lol
[06:14:14] <_abc_> That kbd is under 15EUR, what you want, is over 150...
[06:16:00] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:17:03] <_abc_> http://atomictoasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/controle-parental-nes01-700x466.jpg
[06:17:27] <XXCoder> LOL
[06:32:09] <XXCoder> _abc_: well good luck with your bellows
[06:32:26] <XXCoder> oh wait I remember this video
[06:32:28] <_abc_> Yeah I will try some things. Probably paper model 1st then plastic
[06:32:29] <XXCoder> lemme try find it
[06:33:07] <archivist_> cnc kit http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161914877309
[06:33:09] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmOtFVrS9Ng not video i found but..
[06:34:09] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6VLRqwGDeI
[06:34:15] <XXCoder> that definitely can be cnc-ized
[06:34:30] <XXCoder> not the folding part
[06:34:32] <malcom2073> Nice VMC
[06:39:43] <XXCoder> corners is lot of work.
[06:42:30] <_abc_> http://atomictoasters.com/2014/05/apollo-15-rotational-hand-controller-up-for-auction/ get this for linuxcnc pendant jog control
[06:42:45] <XXCoder> lol
[06:42:57] <XXCoder> cheao
[06:43:06] <XXCoder> just 300 times my machine cost
[06:43:12] <_abc_> Sourcing matching connectors will be a b*tch though
[06:43:13] <XXCoder> chump charge!
[06:43:43] <XXCoder> you want your bellows to have corners?
[06:43:45] <_abc_> Also before Apollo Mercury capsules had handy 2 joystick controls from what I read.
[06:43:47] <XXCoder> theres a alternate
[06:43:58] <XXCoder> make a box that holds stright edge bellows
[06:44:06] <XXCoder> I still cant find that video
[06:44:16] <XXCoder> guy made nice stright edge bellows out of plastic
[06:44:23] <_abc_> Hm? Oh I think I know it. Related to making photo camera bellows?
[06:44:40] <XXCoder> LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCcQucwZKa8
[06:44:46] <XXCoder> this is what my idea was like
[06:45:10] <XXCoder> camera on springs warning though
[06:46:31] <XXCoder> demin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EgLMMhbRfc
[06:49:46] <XXCoder> denim seems nice
[06:49:50] <XXCoder> anyway laters
[06:50:46] <XXCoder> I leave you guys with this https://45.media.tumblr.com/79f275caf4a1c3452d89b33ddc4ae5b6/tumblr_nz68q5OgNM1qewacoo1_540.gif
[07:15:15] <jthornton-> hmm a Gtk stack is interesting
[07:21:58] <_abc_> https://blackrynius.wordpress.com/diy-cnc-machine/ fwiw I was talking about this kind of diy pendant
[07:22:01] <_abc_> earlyer
[07:55:28] <enleth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmMML2n6wNk - nice to see a bridgeport do some serious work
[07:56:25] <enleth> (or wchichever clone that is)
[07:57:30] <enleth> no, that's certainly bigger than a 2J2 head bridgeport would be
[07:59:20] <malcom2073> Nice
[07:59:26] <malcom2073> Knee mills are good for odd stuff like that
[08:02:52] <enleth> at 10:20 he's really playing it rough
[08:04:17] <malcom2073> Sparky!
[08:05:20] <malcom2073> Heh, killed his inserts
[08:05:55] <malcom2073> I've not milled any steel yet
[08:06:00] <malcom2073> is red hot stuff common?
[08:06:09] <malcom2073> red hot chips
[08:06:21] <Sync> well in that case that's the rust
[08:06:32] <Sync> some sparks are normal
[08:08:04] <archivist_> note micrometer left on the floor in background
[08:08:23] <archivist_> ah that is his logo!
[08:08:44] <enleth> malcom2073: yeah, it's iron oxides on a blunt, cracked insert
[09:38:24] <zeeshan|2> archivist_herron: you there
[09:38:34] <zeeshan|2> archivist hello1 :P
[09:38:39] <archivist_> heh
[09:38:52] <zeeshan|2> you have casted things before yes?
[09:38:57] * Tom_itx smacks zeeshan|2.. are you??
[09:39:01] <archivist_> only lead
[09:39:03] <zeeshan|2> hi tom :)
[09:39:07] <Tom_itx> andy has
[09:39:15] <zeeshan|2> archivist does lead have surface tension similar to al
[09:39:25] <zeeshan|2> im trying to pour into my first mold
[09:39:35] <Tom_itx> well get the lead out!
[09:39:36] <zeeshan|2> and im getting overflow.. and i think its because i didnt make it a 2 part mold
[09:39:51] <archivist_> I certainly got rounded edges as it was open top
[09:39:57] <zeeshan|2> ah
[09:39:59] <zeeshan|2> im getting the same issue
[09:40:04] <zeeshan|2> and its not filling the entire mold
[09:40:08] <zeeshan|2> its cooling way too fast.
[09:40:16] <zeeshan|2> i think i need to preheat the mold to more than 100c
[09:40:28] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/JGMOShj.jpg
[09:40:28] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/zbMLqVc.jpg
[09:40:30] <zeeshan|2> pics of mold
[09:40:37] <archivist_> heat the mould more and add a dam to stop overflow
[09:40:48] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of making a nother plate
[09:40:51] <zeeshan|2> w/ a 2" hole in it
[09:40:57] <zeeshan|2> (that plate is 6x5.75"
[09:41:14] <zeeshan|2> 152.4x 146mm
[09:41:31] <archivist_> plaster with a riser tube an a out gas tube
[09:41:49] <zeeshan|2> it i put outgas tube
[09:41:55] <zeeshan|2> wouldnt that cause it to act like a riser also
[09:42:01] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of using the sprue as the riser
[09:42:09] <archivist_> yes you watch that to know its full
[09:42:22] <zeeshan|2> why cant i just overflow the sprue
[09:42:38] <archivist_> it finds its level :)
[09:42:50] <zeeshan|2> also has anyone here used MD-7 trico corp coolant?
[09:42:55] <archivist_> keep filling as it cools
[09:42:58] <zeeshan|2> these idiots do not have mix instructions online
[09:43:04] <zeeshan|2> so i thought maybe i need to run it pure
[09:43:12] <zeeshan|2> but in my experience, it seems VERY wrong to run it pure because of it's viscoity
[09:43:21] <zeeshan|2> there is no instructions on their website or the jug on how to mix it
[09:43:30] <zeeshan|2> i really wish i just went with koolmist than this overpriced pos
[09:43:37] <zeeshan|2> i was so frustrated yesterday night
[09:43:48] <zeeshan|2> okay ill make another plate
[09:43:56] <zeeshan|2> do you think i need to have a clamp mechanism or something to hold the 2 parts together
[09:44:00] <archivist_> get that mould pretty hot for decent cooling
[09:44:02] <zeeshan|2> its a small part
[09:44:14] <zeeshan|2> im wondering if it will lift the secondary mold
[09:44:18] <zeeshan|2> and cause flashing
[09:44:42] <archivist_> yes it will float off if you dont do something
[09:45:23] <zeeshan|2> i could put 2 pins on each mold, on 2 of the sides
[09:45:36] <zeeshan|2> and use some sort of cam action lock?
[09:45:45] <zeeshan|2> simplest thing i can think of on the top of my head
[09:45:49] <zeeshan|2> i dont wanna bolt the 2 plates together
[09:45:50] <archivist_> plaster board is dead cheap for that job
[09:45:51] <zeeshan|2> cause it gets hot :P
[09:46:05] <zeeshan|2> archivist we're making around 40
[09:46:09] <zeeshan|2> thats why we went with steel
[09:46:29] <zeeshan|2> its christmas present/ornament for coworkers
[09:46:53] <DaViruz> zeeshan|2: i don't think that stuff is supposed to be diluted
[09:46:54] <archivist_> I used plaster board to make a rectangular weight for a clock
[09:47:11] <DaViruz> their other products have mixing instructions, and the specifications says they are water soluable
[09:47:11] <zeeshan|2> daviruz you thinkso?
[09:47:17] <zeeshan|2> its wayooo to think
[09:47:21] <zeeshan|2> it is definitely water insoluable
[09:47:26] <zeeshan|2> it says that online
[09:47:40] <zeeshan|2> but i think youre supposed to mix it with make it an water-oil emulsified mixture
[09:47:47] <zeeshan|2> because the water provides the cooling
[09:47:50] <zeeshan|2> the oil doesnt do much for cooling
[09:48:10] <zeeshan|2> 96% of the product is mixed parrafin based
[09:48:19] <archivist_> oil is an insulator and a killer in cooling circuits
[09:48:27] <zeeshan|2> yes archivist_herron
[09:48:33] <DaViruz> well they don't market it as a coolant, they market it in a lubricant
[09:48:41] <DaViruz> to be used with micro dispensing
[09:49:30] <DaViruz> "Compared to flood cooling, there is no coolant sump to maintain or used coolant to dispose of."
[09:49:42] <zeeshan|2> that doesnt mean anything though
[09:49:48] <zeeshan|2> thats comparing mql with flood
[09:49:54] <zeeshan|2> mql is supposed to evaporate
[09:50:05] <zeeshan|2> but there is oil emulsified coolants used in mql mostly
[09:50:18] <zeeshan|2> but youre right i have read literature where there is oil only also
[09:50:26] <zeeshan|2> but thats meant for like tapping and those type of slow ops
[09:51:06] <DaViruz> http://www.tricocorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/61669-MD-1200-Instructions.pdf
[09:51:09] <MrSunshine_> https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t34.0-12/12366788_10153766970203648_201807301_n.jpg?oh=cfe3619a3345d58f8dd36a8a1d73c2ba&oe=566E330C this is realy one of the reasons i love cnc =)
[09:51:19] <zeeshan|2> davirus i read thru that somewhat
[09:51:23] <MrSunshine_> just cut, tape, add glue, fold .. voila =)
[09:51:25] <MrSunshine_> perfect miters =)
[09:51:38] <DaViruz> "Don't use water based coolants in your MD-1200"
[09:51:57] <zeeshan|2> where does it say that
[09:52:11] <DaViruz> top left page 2
[09:52:30] <zeeshan|2> ah shit :P
[09:52:32] <archivist_> we used oil only on the gear cutting machines at the clockworks
[09:52:53] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[09:56:37] <zeeshan|2> well people
[09:56:38] <zeeshan|2> dont buy md7
[09:56:41] <zeeshan|2> its garbage :P
[09:56:49] <zeeshan|2> its a waste of 120$ for a gallon
[09:56:56] <zeeshan|2> i shoulda bought koolmist
[10:10:44] <maxcnc> zeeshan|2: what are you milling with this hightec cool
[10:13:14] <zeeshan|2> steel mostly
[10:14:17] <maxcnc> AVIA METACOOL UV 20
[10:14:35] <maxcnc> 12,95 20l here
[10:15:01] <maxcnc> 5G 15USD
[10:15:34] <maxcnc> 5% for steel
[10:15:53] <zeeshan|2> never heard of it
[10:15:53] <zeeshan|2> hmm
[10:16:11] <maxcnc> AVIA is also in the USA at shell you can ask
[10:16:40] <maxcnc> ok im done for tiday going home its dark outside
[10:42:04] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 MD7 doesn't look like a flood coolant
[10:42:08] <Tom_itx> rather mist
[10:43:32] <Tom_itx> you sure you don't want MD1?
[10:45:19] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 giving your co-workers lead for christmas?
[10:45:43] <Tom_itx> sounds like the china thing to do!
[13:09:25] <maxcnc> hi finished the workweek one to go for 2015
[14:13:12] <zeeshan|2> lol tom
[14:13:20] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i has mist
[14:20:21] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: 5too much info
[14:20:22] <XXCoder> heh
[14:32:30] <zeeshan|2> quiet saturday :P
[14:35:55] <XXCoder> yeah
[14:46:38] <duc> Morninh
[14:47:26] <duc> Finally got one yaskawa motor moving. My encoder cables were missing the battery pin out so it was throwing an error
[14:48:01] <duc> Ghetto fix is allowing for testing till the vendor gets back to me about fixing it
[14:48:28] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: they ever get back to you on that wood dil- smoke thing?
[14:59:54] <XXCoder> hey zeeshan|2?
[15:06:57] <zeeshan|2> long time ago
[15:07:01] <zeeshan|2> ive made around 100 of them :P
[15:07:20] <zeeshan|2> tired of making them :[
[15:07:24] <zeeshan|2> its mostly cause of 2 jobs
[15:13:39] <XXCoder> I see
[15:13:46] <zeeshan|2> whats new with you :D
[15:13:47] <XXCoder> my machines still not running bah
[15:13:56] <XXCoder> not much
[15:39:27] <JT-Shop-> anyone know of a probe that is at least as good as my BP, I could use one but don't have time to make it
[16:04:37] <JT-Shop-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/stainless-Touch-probe-digitizing-probe-CMM-4-Coordinate-Measurement-Machine-/161381545863?hash=item259316f787:g:4RkAAOSwxCxT2ONT
[16:07:57] <JT-Shop-> http://deepgroove1.com/stainlessprobe/stainlessprobe.htm
[16:08:03] <JT-Shop-> any thoughts on this one?
[16:23:43] <Deejay> gn8
[16:32:12] <t12> http://www.ebay.com/itm/272064171445
[16:33:03] <CaptHindsight> looks pretty worn
[16:34:07] <CaptHindsight> you could probably get a crate full of them in better shape for cheap but the shipping will be pricey
[16:34:22] <t12> i like the i found this washed up on the beach part
[16:35:16] <CaptHindsight> I just noticed that it's used and was under water
[16:35:33] <pcw_home> how do they know its a gyroscope?
[16:35:47] <t12> dunno
[16:36:42] <CaptHindsight> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/Airs1.jpg
[16:37:00] <pcw_home> looks more like a pressure vessel/accumulator
[16:37:40] <t12> hard to tell from the photos
[16:37:59] <t12> i think that owuld be dictated by if thats an electrical conduit at the bottom
[16:38:12] <t12> looks like a vacuum/gas fill port on the side of the big connector assembly
[16:38:20] <t12> would be very annoying to get into without destroying looks like
[16:39:25] <pcw_home> I dont see any reason for a gyroscope to be in a welded container
[16:39:37] <CaptHindsight> I think it directly translates as "Acme Missile Gyros"
[16:40:14] <t12> high accuracy part, never serviced
[16:40:39] <t12> on this note whats up with gear arrangements like this:
[16:40:58] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/phb1avrot05xjul/AADeFW-1Kff5c1uEb2HL2XKya
[16:41:07] <t12> where theres two gears that appear to be coupled
[16:41:10] <t12> anti-backlash thing?
[16:41:14] <CaptHindsight> "might be the gyroscope or the fissionable material"
[16:41:50] <pcw_home> I guess it could be running in a vacuum
[16:42:22] <pcw_home> probably not something I need
[16:42:39] <CaptHindsight> maybe the plug on the side unscrews
[16:43:44] <t12> i finally i succeeded at gutting that astrotracker
[16:43:45] <t12> https://www.instagram.com/p/_LmUWwACgR/
[16:43:53] <t12> pretty intense device
[16:46:54] <CaptHindsight> http://theodoregray.com/periodictable/Samples/004.11/index.s12.html
[16:47:55] <CaptHindsight> http://theodoregray.com/periodictable/Samples/004.14/index.s12.html so they used to put them in spheres
[16:48:56] <CaptHindsight> http://theodoregray.com/periodictable/Samples/004.24/index.s12.html
[16:49:37] <pcw_home> is the astrotracker 2 axis (alt/azimuth)?
[16:49:55] <t12> yeah
[16:49:56] <t12> i think
[16:50:22] <t12> the lens rotates and pivots
[16:50:29] <t12> then the whole thing is motorized on two axis
[16:50:52] <t12> all controls seems to be synchro + servo feedback?
[16:50:54] <pcw_home> I had one from a ICBM a long time ago, it had direct drive brushed torque motors
[16:51:14] <t12> i dont quite understand the drive mechanisms theres at least 3 motor/synchro/resolvers
[16:51:21] <t12> per axis
[16:52:03] <pcw_home> maybe servo + fine/coarse syncros
[16:52:17] <t12> gradually i'll take good detail pics
[16:52:28] <t12> i dunno what the next step in high complexity mechanical machines would be
[16:52:38] <t12> maybe a mechanical fire control computer
[16:52:46] <t12> - the redundant mechanical/machines
[16:53:43] <JT-Shop-> can you use 24v with a probe like this to a 7i77? http://deepgroove1.com/stainlessprobe/stainlessprobe.htm
[16:54:51] <pcw_home> It _might_ wear the contacts faster (about 1 mA at 24V)
[16:55:46] <JT-Shop-> I guess I could use a parallel port input if I had one
[16:55:51] <pcw_home> I dont know enough about contact wear vs voltage to know for sure
[16:56:36] <JT-Shop-> I probably would not use it very much...
[16:56:45] <pcw_home> Yeah parallel port, free encoder input pin, 7I77 input and transistor or OPTO
[16:56:52] <JT-Shop-> but from time to time it would be handy
[16:58:08] <pcw_home> probably ok then (needs a 2 wire probe not 1 wire and ground)
[17:02:38] <JT-Shop-> I'm guessing he put that for the parallel port as an input
[17:04:47] <JT-Shop-> I'm thinking if there is no circuit in it then it is just a switch
[17:07:19] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop-: do you use them to reverse engineer or align the machine?
[17:08:26] <JT-Shop-> both
[17:08:45] <Tom_itx> likely just 3 switches
[17:08:51] <JT-Shop-> like I have a part to duplicate and it would be nice to probe the taper at two levels and get the angle
[17:09:07] <JT-Shop-> like the basic renishaw probe
[17:09:13] <pcw_home> Yeah its a parallel port input with a pullup so normally low and high when tripped
[17:16:26] <gregcnc> No luck figuring out what that taper was?
[17:17:03] <JT-Shop-> I'm pretty sure I know what it is but a probe would have been much easier
[17:17:31] <JT-Shop-> I need to check the hardness so while I'm at my buddies shop we can put it on the dmm
[17:18:46] <JT-Shop-> dang, I scared the deer away checking the battery on the crawler
[17:33:47] <Roguish> JT-Shop: are you considering a probe like you just posted?
[17:34:12] <JT-Shop-> well yes it has progressed past considering
[17:34:21] <Tom_itx> oops
[17:34:46] <JT-Shop-> we shall see
[17:34:52] <JT-Shop-> when it arrives
[17:35:20] <Roguish> I have been looking quite seriously. thought about making one, but time vs. cost it's not easy.
[17:35:34] <Roguish> who actually makes ti?
[17:35:37] <Roguish> it?
[17:36:12] <Tom_itx> if you decide to make one i'd sure consider gold plating the contacts
[17:36:45] <JT-Shop-> I don't know who makes it but like you time vs cost is the factor at this point
[17:37:09] <JT-Shop-> I've dropped the hammer on that one to see if it is as good as my BP
[17:37:36] <Roguish> i have some gold plated 'dumbbell' body piercing ornaments picked out at Amazon.
[17:37:56] <Tom_itx> good idea
[17:38:03] <Roguish> BP ==? bridgeport?
[17:38:53] <JT-Shop-> yea, series 1 with Anilam 3 axis CNC conversion
[17:39:02] <Roguish> only advantage to making one is that I would make a few extra parts for the occasional oops.
[17:39:22] <Roguish> sometimes I get the dropsies.
[17:39:48] <JT-Shop-> I have the 3-D cad for one just don't have time right now, trying to finish the shop and other things
[17:39:54] <Tom_itx> http://www.carbideprobes.com/
[17:39:58] <Tom_itx> you can get stylus there
[17:41:32] <JT-Shop-> maybe make the optical comparator into a dmm lol
[17:44:22] <JT-Shop-> I did manage to ride my new to me road bike yesterday, made some adjustments ready to ride
[17:45:01] <Tom_itx> why you switchin from trail to road now?
[17:45:42] <Roguish> good. I got in a quick 20 miler today. supposed to pour rain tomorrow. new tires last week. was into the 'milage plus' on the rear. (a spot of cords showing....)
[17:45:45] <JT-Shop-> not switching, just when the trail is messed up from rain or freeze thaw I can still ride
[17:46:52] <JT-Shop-> I'm jealous of my sister, they have hundreds of paved trails to ride and one that goes all the way to Alabama
[17:47:25] <JT-Shop-> yea rain here too tomorrow
[17:47:34] <Tom_itx> same here supposedly
[17:47:40] <Tom_itx> been cloudy all day but dry
[17:47:52] <JT-Shop> hope to get the over the garage door shelves done
[17:48:19] <JT-Shop> that will give me 32 sq ft of storage
[17:48:42] <zeeshan|2> ITS MACHINING TIME MY FRIENDS!!
[17:48:53] <JT-Shop> YIPPIE!
[17:49:12] <zeeshan|2> its so nice to have a friend here whos int othe same stuff
[17:49:12] * JT-Shop is about to put on the chef hat
[17:49:16] <zeeshan|2> hes running the warm up program
[17:49:20] <zeeshan|2> and im upstairs doing some cam
[17:49:29] <Roguish> I made up a simple anvil for my Wilson hardness tester the other day.
[17:49:32] <JT-Shop> no one around here knows what I do lol
[17:49:46] <zeeshan|2> jt shop its hard find friends who are into same hobbies
[17:49:48] <rob_h> not even you !!
[17:49:50] <zeeshan|2> i see some people are strictly into machining
[17:49:58] <zeeshan|2> some are into going out
[17:50:04] <zeeshan|2> some are into hiking, but its to find a mix.
[17:50:24] <JT-Shop> yea rob_h sometimes I'm lost
[17:51:00] <Roguish> machining is fun, but ya gotta stay healthy. biking is sooo mush better/easier than running. and ya get to see more country side.
[17:51:09] <zeeshan|2> :)
[17:51:13] <JT-Shop> my neighbor is into Mtn bike an road bikes
[17:51:14] <zeeshan|2> i love hiking and astronomy
[17:51:33] <JT-Shop> so we ride together when we can
[17:51:38] <Tom_itx> you stare at the stars while riding??
[17:51:40] <Roguish> hike like you mean it.
[17:51:42] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: we ride together we die together !!!
[17:51:50] <zeeshan|2> fast and the furious.
[17:52:07] <JT-Shop> sometimes it's like that on the trail lol
[17:52:09] <Tom_itx> watching that atm..
[17:52:16] <zeeshan|2> which one tom
[17:52:17] <zeeshan|2> i love em all
[17:52:19] <Roguish> ride to eat, eat to shit, if you don't shit, you die.
[17:52:20] <Tom_itx> 6
[17:52:23] <zeeshan|2> ah
[17:52:24] <zeeshan|2> sad :P
[17:52:29] <Tom_itx> just got in.. it was on
[17:52:31] <zeeshan|2> Roguish: rofl
[17:52:37] <zeeshan|2> thats a good one, will need to use it
[17:52:40] <JT-Shop> he's just a youngster at 60 so I try to make him catch the old man lol
[17:53:11] <JT-Shop> the butthole is the boss as I understand
[17:53:15] <Roguish> I get to be 60 in 12 days. better than the option, I think.
[17:53:27] <Roguish> at least for a while..
[17:53:36] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 get your casting done?
[17:53:47] <JT-Shop> yea, I used to think 60 was old till I passed it up
[17:53:58] <Tom_itx> makes me feel good...
[17:54:32] <Tom_itx> and here i thought i was old
[17:54:51] <JT-Shop> I'm 15 lbs from being at my target weight so I'm pretty stoked
[17:55:12] <JT-Shop> just glad to be in control of my gravitational attraction again
[17:55:22] <Tom_itx> i was too until i tore into this pizza.. now i'm not gonna check
[17:55:50] <JT-Shop> yea, I still tear pizza up but not often
[17:56:05] <Tom_itx> same here
[17:56:14] <JT-Shop> wife is even losing eating like me
[17:56:41] <Tom_itx> but she's in Ga so i figured i'd treat myself and kid
[17:57:14] <JT-Shop> I'm a thin crust meat lovers pizza guy
[17:58:38] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: And all this time we thought you were vegan
[17:58:42] <JT-Shop> I make a good pie but now we have Papa Murphys so no need to make them
[17:59:26] <Jymmm> Actually, surprsingly, dominos is pretty good these days.
[17:59:53] <JT-Shop> give me some steak tartar or carpaccio
[18:00:24] <Tom_itx> not bad for flavored cardboard
[18:00:32] <Roguish> that probe kinda looks like this one: http://www.cadcamcadcam.com/probe-tp100probe.aspx
[18:00:33] <JT-Shop> lol
[18:01:02] <JT-Shop> it does
[18:01:11] <Roguish> steak tartar with ice cold vodka. out of this world
[18:01:55] <JT-Shop> I'm a good cognac on a cold night guy
[18:02:33] <JT-Shop> remy martin is a favorite
[18:02:43] <Roguish> just don'
[18:02:47] <_methods> no courvosier?
[18:02:55] <Roguish> just don't add coka a cola to it.....
[18:03:08] <JT-Shop> to cognac?
[18:03:21] <_methods> coke and cognac lol
[18:03:22] <JT-Shop> courvosier is ok
[18:03:28] <Tom_itx> Roguish this was simple to make: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/probe_index.php
[18:03:38] <Roguish> haven't you ever heard of remi and coke? it's stickly ghetto.
[18:03:54] <Tom_itx> but i lacked a good way to index the holes for the probe part so it's a tad bit off
[18:04:06] <Roguish> Tom_itx: thanks. bookmarked it.
[18:04:07] <JT-Shop> no, never tried to add anything to remy
[18:04:21] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: nice
[18:04:27] <Tom_itx> i made 2 or 3 a couple different sizes
[18:04:33] <Tom_itx> i wanted a small one for the sherline
[18:05:02] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/probe_holder.jpg
[18:05:10] <Tom_itx> those holes are off a tiny bit
[18:05:16] <JT-Shop> time to cook some pad thai
[18:05:25] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[18:05:26] <Tom_itx> if i had an indexer i could have done better
[18:05:28] <Tom_itx> later JT-Shop
[18:05:35] <Roguish> most designs like that have radial set screws to adjust the runout.
[18:05:43] <Tom_itx> gonna fire up catia here soon
[18:05:58] <Tom_itx> i'm about halfway thru the lessons for class that starts in Jan
[18:26:23] <jthornton--> sous chef work done
[18:27:05] <jthornton--> I'm guessing that you can probe then turn 180 and probe then adjust till centered the repeat for the other axis
[18:28:25] <jthornton> so you get the same measurement on all 4 quadrants
[18:34:12] <Tom_itx> oh to find the probe center?
[18:34:37] <jthornton> to center the probe yea
[18:34:44] <Tom_itx> sounds reasonable
[18:35:35] <Tom_itx> use a 123 block in a vise and find the 2 edges with your dowel or whatever you use then subtract the probe tip radius
[18:35:50] <Tom_itx> and probe away
[18:36:22] <Tom_itx> technically you would leave it in the tool holder you probed with
[18:36:23] <jthornton> sounds like fun to me
[18:36:53] <jthornton> yea, I have kwik switch on the BP
[18:37:22] <jthornton> so I could set it up and leave it in the holder
[18:37:47] <Tom_itx> with a disconnect on the probe wire
[18:38:13] <jthornton> like a stereo plug?
[18:39:23] <Tom_itx> yeah something like that
[18:39:57] <Tom_itx> mount the mate for it on the machine somewhere out of coolant's path or cover it when not in use
[18:40:39] <Tom_itx> just remember Tx M6 S0 or you'll be rewiring it
[18:41:05] <jthornton> didnt' think of that lol
[18:41:12] <jthornton> no coolant on the BP
[18:42:03] <Tom_itx> that's one thing i like about those axial centering tools
[18:42:15] <jthornton> opps time to cook
[18:42:38] <Tom_itx> http://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=FOW52-710-025&source=froogle&kw=FOW52-710-025&gclid=CL7kv-nH18kCFQyFaQodsx0Hpg
[18:42:40] <Tom_itx> like those
[18:42:52] <Tom_itx> different application.. i know
[19:06:13] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, you seen 6?
[19:09:05] <Tom_itx> that runway must be 30mi long... that scene goes on forever.
[19:12:59] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: was it from video link here?
[19:14:11] <Tom_itx> no
[19:14:22] <gregcnc> they're actually doing 5mph, not 120 like the speedo probably shows, did they also pull 13 gears and 5 shots of nitrous?
[19:14:38] <Tom_itx> something like that yes
[19:15:16] <XXCoder> racing, I guess. one where bus go boom when too slow?
[19:15:31] <XXCoder> *movie of
[19:15:36] <gregcnc> typical fast and furious scene
[19:15:48] <Tom_itx> no, fast & furious
[19:15:57] <XXCoder> movie time scale sometimes dont make sense
[19:16:09] <gregcnc> they don't need to you already bought the ticket
[19:16:14] <Tom_itx> it's mostly background noise.. working on catia here
[19:16:49] <XXCoder> its worse when you include time travel. in orginial movie there was this nice scene where time traveler (he was never named)
[19:16:59] <XXCoder> watches clothes stores near his home
[19:17:08] <XXCoder> it shows different styles as he travels
[19:17:25] <XXCoder> but well it shows being dressed with light/dark flashes of days
[19:17:41] <gregcnc> I should watch that
[19:17:45] <XXCoder> flashes count meant guy was dressing display for month
[19:17:55] <XXCoder> moving a dress inch down a day
[19:18:26] <XXCoder> gregcnc: also watch the 2002 version. awesome scenes, if wrong too
[19:19:11] <gregcnc> I watched part of "the time travelers wife" was that related?
[19:19:26] <XXCoder> nah
[19:19:36] <gregcnc> ok
[19:20:01] <XXCoder> from what I understand, man is stuck traveling to random times from boyhood to adult
[19:20:19] <XXCoder> so yeah not same :D
[19:22:45] <trentster> bobo__: Fix was a conjunction of factory resetting the VFD, re-setting up the vfd paramaters. I think the issue actually was that there was a minimum Hz of 140Hz set somewhere there which exceeded the 8k rpm I was trying to test with. This setting however was not effecting the manual control of vfd via panel. That in conjunction with all the stuff archivist helped me out with did the trick.
[19:23:46] <gregcnc> was following along with you vfd issues, what are you (re)building?
[19:25:22] <trentster> Now I am onto the next hurdle - namely getting the correct spindle voltage output so that 8k,12k, and 24k rpm in gcode actually create the correct HZ on the VFD. No matter what combination I try I can nver get the BOB to output more than 7V on the 0-10V output
[19:26:46] <trentster> gregcnc: Just upgrading the spindle on a own built CNC router, removed the 400W one and replaced with a 2.2Kw water cooled one + vfd
[19:28:08] <XXCoder> wow this sounds interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi6u14oGmh0
[19:28:13] <XXCoder> too bad its not captioned
[19:30:45] <trentster> XXCoder: looks awesome - pity it was cancelled
[19:30:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:31:10] <XXCoder> time machine is shown opersating at 39:30 something
[19:31:24] <trentster> Probably had to do with wanting to be "PC" somewhere up the network chain of command
[19:34:46] <XXCoder> trentster: or maybe they didnt think people would like it
[19:36:33] <trentster> perhaps
[19:36:48] <trentster> XXCoder: hows your machine coming along, made anything interesting lately?
[19:37:04] <XXCoder> not yet, still no room in garage
[19:37:18] <XXCoder> and this being washington, outside is never dry
[19:37:36] <XXCoder> what I call washingtonian foreverain
[19:37:55] <trentster> heh - washington state?
[19:38:14] <trentster> Like Seattle?
[19:39:06] <XXCoder> over hour south but yes
[19:40:15] <trentster> you are a lucky man indeed - its a beautiful place to live - I really loved the natural beauty there
[19:40:55] <XXCoder> trentster: " saw a documentary about this show.......even though it was an excellent show and a great deal of people complained when it was cancelled.......the Documentary explained that the U.S. Government paid a WHOLE LOT of money to the people associated with this pilot to drop the show and never show it on TV again............makes you think maybe they have a program similar to this already in the works................Hmmmmmmmmmm
[19:40:56] <XXCoder> mmmmm"
[19:40:59] <XXCoder> odd
[19:41:06] <XXCoder> lemme try
[19:42:28] <trentster> XXCoder: yup its normally something like that, either for PC reasons, or some numbskull thinks it jeopardises national security or gives terrorists - plot ideas :-)
[19:42:40] <trentster> pity really -
[19:42:48] <XXCoder> or like one guy said...
[19:42:54] <XXCoder> they may have one lol
[19:43:41] <trentster> well - that would probably be the dubest way to try hide the fact you have one, by paying off a tv station - that would really conceal the fact :P
[19:47:29] <trentster> I would have to go with "Occam's razor" on this one.
[19:48:09] <XXCoder> yeah one of possibilities you outlined is way more likely
[19:48:16] <XXCoder> pc reason
[19:48:43] <XXCoder> what if we got visitor from far future who said inventor of REAL time machine was ispired by series
[19:49:00] <XXCoder> say guy figured it out from 3th season 11th show
[19:49:05] <trentster> We havent
[19:49:16] <trentster> so it never has happened
[19:49:28] <XXCoder> who knows, top secret lol
[19:49:40] <trentster> conclusion - if time travel is ever possible , its only possible forward
[19:49:58] <XXCoder> there is arguments for negative only too
[19:50:08] <XXCoder> with past having existed and future dont exis
[19:50:26] <XXCoder> forward is easy enough though
[19:50:30] <XXCoder> just invent statis
[19:50:31] <trentster> I think someone would have noticed the present changing
[19:50:49] <XXCoder> trentster: thats movie stuff. reality its always has been
[19:51:20] <XXCoder> say if moon mysterously exploded 100 years ago, if we surivied its always been exploded since then
[19:51:41] <trentster> there is no reality when it comes to time travel its all theoretical physics and quantum mechanics, like quantum entanglement
[19:52:06] <XXCoder> scientists actually figured some censor-free calculation using time
[19:52:17] <XXCoder> but true time travel is extremely unlikely
[19:53:00] <XXCoder> I might have idea though if we has dimensional travel. I'm sure if youre at another universe you can travel and hit any location in 3d+1t in another universe
[19:55:03] <trentster> well if it was invented at any point in the future, logic would probably dictate - that the inventors would probably try and correct some of the supid shit we have done from happening, like wrecking the planet - what about dumb stuff like wrecking hemispheres with long lived radio nuclides. Wouldent they stop Chernobyl, fukushima and future possible extinction level events, from happening?
[19:55:08] <Tecan> would a torch fuse a hole through aluminum sheets ?
[19:55:13] <Tecan> would the sheets be stuck together
[19:56:10] <XXCoder> thats why I think its basically impossible. maybe by time we discover it, we have truly advanced as species, like after say millions of years
[19:57:12] <gregcnc> you mean these environmental summits and pacts were thought up by someone from the future?
[19:57:25] <trentster> XXCoder: As this is purely a philosophical / scifi convo - my bet would be that if you can time travel you are more likely to be creating another instance in the multiverse a seperate and unique time stream that does not effect present one.
[19:57:53] <trentster> gregcnc: heh - they would be the dumbest time travelers if that was true
[19:57:57] <XXCoder> trentster: likely yeah. hence my comment that it "always has been". we can't "know" time has changed
[19:58:18] <XXCoder> gregcnc: pretty dumb for millions of old post- homo sapiens.
[19:58:52] <trentster> would be far easier to come back and give us an M&M sized clean unlimited power source schematics before the first litre of fossil fuel is pumped out the ground.
[19:59:20] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:59:40] <XXCoder> unless that was what they did... so that was what they had to do.
[19:59:42] <trentster> After all real success of a species involves being able to live on your planet long enough to become a succesful race that can travel to other star systems and settle on other planets
[20:01:39] <trentster> not gonna happen if you "shit where you eat" in planetary terms of course :P
[20:02:12] <XXCoder> yep lol
[20:02:28] <XXCoder> trentster: reminds me of this book though
[20:02:39] <XXCoder> time is pretty solid and unalterable
[20:02:57] <XXCoder> time travel could change areas that has not seen for years though
[20:03:12] <XXCoder> so guy stole few long lost stuff
[20:03:45] <XXCoder> and saved one famous lady from past, because her body was never found, nobody will never find it.
[20:04:33] <XXCoder> guy who invented it was playing around a little, grabbed a wood item hours before it was seen. he could chop and break it, but couldnt burn it
[20:04:38] <trentster> Makes one think that "carl Sagan" is probably right when he says that its highly unlikely for any civilization to evolve to the point of being able to colonize other planets. If I recall the saying was “In the long run, the aggressive civilisations destroy themselves, almost always. It’s their nature. They can’t help it.“
[20:04:51] <XXCoder> as soon as it was due to be seen, time portal suddenly closes, and item disappears.
[20:05:18] <XXCoder> he looked at it after it returned and not seen anymore, its back to where its supposed to be
[20:05:27] <trentster> if this was not true we should see evidence of of colonisation bubbles around star systems all over the galaxy - the fact that we do not - does not bode well
[20:06:17] <XXCoder> what if theres censor where if we could see signs of humans in deep space or on earth from wrong time, time machine would not arrive at its location
[20:06:26] <trentster> XXCoder: whats the name of the book - I will keep an eye out for it
[20:06:40] <XXCoder> thats unfortunate part, its hard to find book
[20:06:59] <XXCoder> it might be short story in "the best time machine stories of all time"
[20:07:07] <trentster> XXCoder: I am talking about evidence of colonization from other civilizations - spanning tens of thousands of light years
[20:07:17] <XXCoder> ahh yeah
[20:07:23] <trentster> the light from random ones would have reached here
[20:07:24] <XXCoder> space is big though
[20:07:36] <XXCoder> billions in this galaxy alone
[20:07:57] <XXCoder> and there is billions of galaxies. we could assign 10 galaxies per person on earth
[20:08:08] <XXCoder> or maybe 100 lol
[20:08:32] <trentster> So the conclusion is, for em at least that its far more likely that aggressive / intelligent civilizations destroy themselves or their planets - rather than say that its beacuase there is no other life in the universe.
[20:08:45] <XXCoder> so life, even intellegnt space faring life have pretty much 100% chance to exist (not counting humans)
[20:09:04] <XXCoder> that is possible yeah
[20:09:19] <XXCoder> we REALLY need faster than light engine.
[20:09:49] <trentster> XXCoder: we gonna have to rename the channel LinuxSciFi if we carry on like this :P
[20:10:02] <XXCoder> NASA's concept of space engine that could go faster than light exists but no idea if works.
[20:10:04] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[20:10:18] <trentster> quantum tunneling
[20:10:53] <XXCoder> dunno if theres ever macro quantium tunnelinh
[20:10:59] <trentster> once again I doubt any of these technologies will ever exist - we would see evidence of this across the universe
[20:11:28] <XXCoder> manfold: space humans are only one.
[20:11:32] <XXCoder> (book)
[20:11:50] <XXCoder> theres 3 more books after that, all different universes but basically same people
[20:11:59] <trentster> XXCoder: yes - thats an awesome book!
[20:12:09] <XXCoder> still yet to get 4th
[20:12:25] <XXCoder> phase space I think
[20:12:51] <trentster> I have read that particular one twice - good old "Reid Malenfant"
[20:13:12] <XXCoder> gonna love that charactor
[20:13:26] <XXCoder> you ever read light of other days?
[20:13:33] <XXCoder> not the love one, the scifi one
[20:13:43] <trentster> nope? you ahve a url for it?
[20:13:48] <XXCoder> a sec
[20:14:16] <XXCoder> Documentary
[20:14:21] <XXCoder> https://www.librarything.com/work/28100
[20:14:26] <XXCoder> paste fail lol
[20:15:50] <trentster> ok cool - I just downloaded it - for tonights reading.
[20:16:02] <XXCoder> you will love it
[20:16:10] <XXCoder> many conceptions and problems with it
[20:16:13] <XXCoder> and ending wow
[20:16:17] <trentster> now - time to get into the garage, cut some chips, and try and tram this new spindle.
[20:16:21] <XXCoder> its why it is #1 book for me
[20:16:52] <trentster> Need to figure out a reliable way to do it with just a single dial indicator
[20:17:26] <XXCoder> well I know some you can check
[20:17:36] <trentster> ? you do
[20:17:36] <XXCoder> finish a block of maybe wood or plastic
[20:17:55] <XXCoder> see if finger smoothly moves from cut to next
[20:18:01] <XXCoder> if angled you will be able to tell
[20:18:14] <XXCoder> do same for another axis
[20:18:44] <XXCoder> otherwise no idea really
[20:19:12] <XXCoder> I do know theres special tool with TWO dials and you rotate it and it will show where its spin plane is
[20:19:25] <FAalbers> Hello, what does Series mean in the first row here ? http://www.onsrud.com/files/pdf/2012%20LMT%20Onsrud%20Production%20Cutting%20Tools%20Soft%20Wood.pdf
[20:19:26] <XXCoder> and you try to adjust so plane aligns with surface.
[20:19:44] <trentster> Man life is never easy, I used to have the machine on a table that I could 100%level via adjustable feet but the table was not rigid enough - so now I bought a used steel welded work bench from someone, its unbelievable rigid but its not 100% level. Its out by 0.4 degrees in the X and 0.6 degrees in the Y
[20:20:14] <trentster> I dont have feet on my machine it rests on the table - so now I have to look at adding feet - it bloody never ends!!! LOL
[20:21:53] <trentster> XXCoder: I already re-planed the spoil-board last night - its definately out - getting noticable ridge lines on every cut. Not 100% sure its the router/spindle yet as it was also the first time I was using an el cheapo ebay bottom clearing bit.
[20:23:18] <trentster> it was 7/8 inch wide. I am now gonna replane with the same toolpath with a high quality 27mm bottom clearer and see if there is any change. After that I will have to figure out what needs to be done
[20:25:10] <FAalbers> Anyone have an idea what Seroes stands for ?
[20:25:14] <FAalbers> Series
[20:25:15] <trentster> FAalbers: I found this quite useful http://www.onsrud.com/files/pdf/LMT-Onsrud-CNC-Prod-Routing-Guide.pdf
[20:25:49] <FAalbers> Thanks a bunch trentster
[20:27:01] <gregcnc> Series probably refers to their cutting tool products
[20:29:54] <trentster> FAalbers: https://monosnap.com/file/ifUTp5394RtmftvHFuih7cHnUeQ2u3
[20:29:58] <trentster> Does that help
[20:30:40] <FAalbers> trentster, Yes ! Thank you :)
[20:30:49] <trentster> :D no worries mate
[20:32:54] <gregcnc> trentster you only need one indicator to tram a mill. Two are used to make it faster. Use some stuff to mount the indicator in the spindle and swing it around to see squareness
[20:34:57] <gregcnc> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f20/10114d1234805576-question-about-dial-indicators-tramming-picture-002.jpg
[20:40:46] <XXCoder> trentster: cool hope you figure it out :)
[20:41:05] <XXCoder> and yes it never ends
[20:41:16] <XXCoder> because by time you got it perfect you need more workspace
[20:41:42] <XXCoder> gregcnc: nice
[20:42:05] <XXCoder> I like that, I need a small dial indictor for home
[20:42:18] <XXCoder> any cheap ones? (I dont need $150 one for home)
[20:43:14] <gregcnc> That's how I do my frankenmill with a 10ths indicator. The harder part is squaring the slide in two directions so it cuts perpendicular to the table.
[20:45:40] <gregcnc> I'd try Ebay. www.ebay.com/itm/151910897332
[20:49:45] <gregcnc> in reality the longer the arm it
[20:50:52] <gregcnc> oops, i don't know how square a router really needs to be
[20:51:03] <XXCoder> geez thats more sensive than my .0005 one
[20:51:07] <XXCoder> both of em
[20:51:13] <XXCoder> and 2 together is $300+
[20:51:47] <XXCoder> "calibre before each use"
[20:51:49] <XXCoder> hm
[20:52:02] <gregcnc> I use the same one to center parts in the mill
[20:52:20] <XXCoder> how do I calibre it
[20:53:44] <gregcnc> that particular type has a ratcheting tip. SO if you actually want the reading to be meaningful the stylus has to be at the correct angle as well as the body.
[20:54:11] <gregcnc> if you need a relative measurement you don't worry about it.
[20:54:15] <XXCoder> meaningful meaning .0001 move = .0001?
[20:54:17] <gregcnc> much
[20:54:23] <gregcnc> right
[20:54:38] <XXCoder> more modern ones I guess dont need that?
[20:54:53] <gregcnc> geometry
[20:56:30] <gregcnc> it converts angular movement to a number. if the angles are not as designed or you put a longer stylus on it, the readings are not accurate.
[20:57:12] <XXCoder> so far all my use was relative
[20:57:21] <XXCoder> but is that true for all ones now?
[20:57:35] <gregcnc> any lever type
[20:57:46] <gregcnc> like that
[21:00:02] <gregcnc> http://www.mitutoyo.co.jp/eng/support/service/manual/pdf/99MAG023M1_Dial%20Test%20Indicator.pdf
[21:03:20] <XXCoder> "english"
[21:03:30] <XXCoder> interesting
[21:03:35] <XXCoder> dont think I will need that
[21:03:41] <XXCoder> always been relative so far
[21:05:00] <gregcnc> the numbers are what matters, just an explanation. Check manual for you specific type if you need absolute. some are intended to be at some angle to read off the dial.
[21:07:35] <gregcnc> nite, time to watch some tube, err led backlit lcd pixels
[21:07:36] <XXCoder> cool
[21:07:41] <XXCoder> lol
[21:07:51] <XXCoder> led tube ;)
[21:19:07] <XXCoder> I wonder if its still possible to buy "dumb" tv
[21:21:13] <AR_> amazingly yes http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xcrt+tv.TRS0&_nkw=crt+tv&_sacat=0
[21:21:28] <XXCoder> lol tube
[21:21:46] <XXCoder> probably have to buy one if I ever want to play with nes zapper
[21:22:16] <XXCoder> though I meant led lcd tv that does not have "smart tv" stuff
[21:22:34] <AR_> oh
[21:22:37] <AR_> there's tone of those
[21:22:39] <AR_> tons
[21:23:33] * XXCoder wonders if there will ever be 0.00005 test indictor
[21:26:08] <XXCoder> wow this is cheap http://www.ebay.com/itm/HFS-Coaxial-Centering-Indicator-Co-Ax-Precision-Milling-Machine-Test-Dial-CNC-/291545489478?hash=item43e1772046:g:OqwAAOSwLVZV4P~Y
[21:26:13] <XXCoder> probably not all that accurate
[22:01:52] <redlegion> XXCoder: i don't buy for a second that thing is capable of reading .0005"
[22:02:00] <redlegion> it looks like chinese garbage
[22:02:08] <XXCoder> me either
[22:02:20] <XXCoder> actual ones, however, are around $400
[22:02:48] <XXCoder> way too m,uch to just center holes, expectally when I has the C thingy to hold vertical dial test indictor.
[22:03:14] <redlegion> man, grinding things to dead nuts center instantly makes something more expensive
[22:03:23] <redlegion> just by default
[22:03:41] <redlegion> look at those little details with threads you can use to locate threaded holes with a CMM
[22:03:43] <XXCoder> coaxial is very expensive
[22:03:47] <redlegion> $75 to $100
[22:04:48] <redlegion> it's sad how much a $5 piece of steel can be worth after it comes off a jig grinder
[22:05:20] <XXCoder> heh its work that adds much value, not raw material
[22:05:33] <XXCoder> for example wood statue could be less than $1 in value in wood
[22:05:38] <XXCoder> but sold for $100
[22:07:17] <redlegion> i still find it interesting that Hexagon and Zeiss can charge $150 an hour for someone to write a PC-DMIS or Calypso inspection
[22:07:26] <redlegion> it's not rocket surgery
[22:08:18] <XXCoder> I remember this story about retired engineering and expensive repair where he just marked "X" on machine and said that needs to be repaired
[22:08:32] <XXCoder> bill was $20,000
[22:08:41] <XXCoder> they wanted it itemized, he listed it $1 marker $19,999 knowing where to mark it
[22:08:47] <Twist> 'knowing which screw to turn. $19,995."
[22:10:26] <redlegion> eugh
[22:11:16] <redlegion> that was a story about an AC motor
[22:11:26] <redlegion> how many coils, etc.
[22:12:29] <trentster> yay! spindle is now trammed - man, what a difference a couple of well places aluminium foil shimms can make :-)
[22:12:36] <redlegion> that's right, the short scientist with scoliosis
[22:12:41] <trentster> really worth the effort
[22:13:04] <XXCoder> trentster: nice! cuts blend now eh
[22:15:03] <XXCoder> LOL https://media.giphy.com/media/3o8doSm2S3pNXBnYBy/giphy.gif
[22:15:24] <trentster> yeah - I have been doing tiny itterations of improvements then testing by surfacing the spoil board, at the point now with a 27mm bottom cleaner bit i can still see the lines but I can not feel them. This is on a plyboard spoilboard
[22:16:07] <XXCoder> dont think you can ever get rid of lines but cant feel means its very close.
[22:16:20] <XXCoder> did you test another axis too?
[22:16:22] <trentster> so, I am pretty happy with that, I also took off the chinese 80mm spindle mount, sprayed some cutting fluid on some sandpaper, and planed the back until it was perfectly level
[22:17:00] <trentster> Note to folks who use them - it was amazing how bad it was, these cast spindle mounts should not be considered machined and ready to use
[22:18:51] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah the spoilboard pocket toolpath I am using does a raster pocket then at the end does an offset profile pass round the entire perimeter
[22:19:06] <trentster> I leave a lip all the round the spoilboard to help with easy alignment
[22:19:19] <XXCoder> cool
[22:19:25] <redlegion> XXCoder: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/charles-proteus-steinmetz-the-wizard-of-schenectady-51912022/?no-ist
[22:19:34] <redlegion> i think that's the origin of the "where to place the x" story
[22:19:38] <redlegion> from what i can recall, anyway
[22:21:05] <XXCoder> redlegion: nice to know origin
[22:21:44] <redlegion> it was driving me insane after you said that, i hate knowing something but not being able to recall it
[22:22:06] <trentster> I wonder if I can use gregcnc tramming method if I only have a dial indicator and not a "dial test indicator" ?
[22:22:24] <XXCoder> I bet yea
[22:22:31] <redlegion> i wouldn't see why not
[22:22:33] <XXCoder> just need a way to mount it
[22:22:53] <XXCoder> I have dial indictor but its too big for any use, thankfully I didnt pay much for it.
[22:23:05] <XXCoder> might be able to find a way later thouggh
[22:23:08] <trentster> I recall reading somewhere, someone specifically mentioning not to use a dial indicator for tramming
[22:23:36] <redlegion> well, i would think there might be an advantage in not suffering cosine error
[22:23:48] <redlegion> dial test indicators are pretty susceptible to that
[22:24:22] <trentster> XXCoder: I learnt my lesson with tool, save up and buy decent stuff or look for deals on ebay. I now try and get Mitutoyo tools if possible
[22:24:42] <XXCoder> trentster: I do for professional work
[22:24:46] <XXCoder> this ones for home use
[22:24:47] <redlegion> i love my six inch mitutoyo digital calipers
[22:24:56] <XXCoder> wood I dont care about .001" errors
[22:25:03] <XXCoder> love it too
[22:26:09] <redlegion> i dont know why people are so obsessed with starrett
[22:26:23] <XXCoder> I like my starret edge finder
[22:26:34] <XXCoder> dont think I has any ither starret
[22:26:35] <redlegion> their measurement equipment is all junk from china
[22:27:25] <redlegion> starrett chamfer gages are a $580 joke
[22:27:48] <XXCoder> ouch
[22:28:10] <redlegion> pretty much on par with SPI (some parts included)
[22:29:27] <XXCoder> interesing read http://www.mmsonline.com/columns/correcting-for-cosine-error
[22:33:03] <redlegion> it is pretty interesting. mitutoyo actually gives out tons of literature on how to use all their equipment, including cosine error correction.
[22:33:34] <redlegion> if you're ever in a spot where you need to measure undulations per revolution, look no further.
[22:34:44] <XXCoder> ok
[22:35:35] <redlegion> sorry, i spent a while as a gage technician, my bias runs deep
[22:35:56] <XXCoder> whats gage technician do
[22:36:55] <redlegion> i had to make sure all in-house production gaging was functional
[22:37:17] <redlegion> dials, digital indicators, LVDT's, custom fixtures, plugs, everything
[22:37:36] <redlegion> calibration, repair, ordering new gear, and APQP to boot
[22:37:45] <redlegion> worst. job. ever.
[22:37:54] <XXCoder> ow
[22:38:04] <XXCoder> I wonder what parts inspector is like
[22:38:05] <trentster> redlegion: you must be a master calibrator after that job :-) your expertise would have come in handy today :-)
[22:38:10] <XXCoder> more sitting it seems like
[22:38:28] <redlegion> trentster: i'm always happy to help where i can
[22:38:38] <trentster> Australia is far!
[22:38:41] <trentster> :P
[22:38:52] <XXCoder> easy use portal gun
[22:39:06] <trentster> I was toying with the idea of setting up a camera and live stream in the garage for cnc stuff.
[22:39:34] <trentster> I wonder how hard that would be to do, I have a spare RasPI here I am sure it would make a nice little streaming server
[22:39:38] <XXCoder> thats easy enough to do
[22:39:50] <XXCoder> the pinkgirl (or whatever her nick was in here) did that
[22:39:59] <XXCoder> forgot what site she used though
[22:40:25] <trentster> XXCoder: definition of easy for me = (little time + little effort)
[22:40:34] <XXCoder> eay
[22:40:50] <XXCoder> just get webcam and send info to that site
[22:40:58] <XXCoder> though cant recall what name was.
[22:41:01] <XXCoder> livestream?
[22:41:26] <trentster> yeah I would want to keep streaming stuff off the cnc machine PC
[22:41:40] <trentster> I don't even like surfing the net for linuxcnc manuels from it.
[22:41:52] <trentster> but granted having internet access on it is useful
[22:42:37] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah I know livestream, but its what OS and software to use on the PI which needs investigation
[22:42:45] <trentster> I guess google will be my friend for that one
[22:45:36] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:45:42] <XXCoder> not too familiar with it either
[22:46:03] <XXCoder> ustream
[22:46:24] <XXCoder> not free though
[22:47:12] <trentster> Yeah this is what I have in mind http://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-webcam-server/
[22:47:26] <XXCoder> nice
[22:50:34] <Jymmm> http://www.acsys.de/fileadmin/public/Images/Branchenloesungen/Automobilindustrie/acsys_gravuren_oberflaechenstrukturierung_formenbau-x2.jpg
[22:53:50] <trentster> Jymmm: thats awesome
[22:56:52] <XXCoder> for a sec I though hand was weirdly tattooed
[23:04:16] <ve7it> hey Jymmm
[23:05:48] <ve7it> Jymmm, a crazy monsoon just went through here in the last few hours.... 60mph winds and rain like crazy... lots of trees trimmed themselves, but none so far across the powerlines
[23:07:00] <ve7it> Jymmm, https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=14301
[23:56:05] <anomynous> huomenta
[23:59:29] <anomynous> hmm. I guess obs might work for streaming