#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-12-03

[00:05:55] <Valen> ey archivist you around?
[00:06:01] <Valen> message regarding that slide
[00:06:16] <Valen> "We have gone tio James Taylor in the UK. He is the God of Rover, and knows every detail. He worked for Rover in the 1950’s( I believe) & was in their Research & Development Dept. As soon as I have an answer, I will get back to you"
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[06:59:24] <lair82_> What does this fault actually mean? "Home switch inactive before start of latch move"
[07:01:13] <archivist_herron> bad english methinks
[07:02:21] <archivist_herron> I think it means you are touching the switch already
[07:04:01] <lair82_> I wonder if the switch is just not releasing, the table moves off of the switch, maybe it is sticking.
[07:06:33] <Tom_itx> or logic is reversed
[07:06:46] <Tom_itx> or broken wire
[07:09:44] <archivist_herron> or you forgot to connect in hal...where have I seen that before
[07:20:14] <lair82> Its hit or miss, most of the time it homes just fine, sometimes it throws up that error though
[07:20:55] <Tom_itx> look at that line in halscope
[07:20:58] <lair82> Is there any where in the documentation that explains these types of faults?
[07:21:00] <Tom_itx> see what it's doing
[07:21:31] <lair82> Didn't think of that, will give it a shot
[07:23:07] <Tom_itx> you may need to debounce them
[07:24:30] <skunkworks> that sounds like nosie
[07:29:06] <lair82> I will scope it and see whats going on ,skunkworks, did I see mention of updating classicladder on the dev chat?
[07:29:26] <cncbasher> debounce will cure it
[07:43:05] <skunkworks> lair82: I think it was mentioned from a forum post. No plan though..
[07:44:57] <Magnifikus> hmmm halcompile tells me that the .h file is missing but its in the same directory as the .c
[07:45:42] <Magnifikus> because he copies the .c file into /tmp but not the .h
[07:47:44] <lair82> skunkworks, I see, I have the current version on my pc here in the office, and I know firsthand that if you edit your ladder file from a machine on the current version, it will not load it when you put the edited file back into the machine.
[07:48:46] <lair82> But the current version looks like the rungs are wider and taller, some you can can have more I/O per rung.
[07:55:32] <lair82_> Just checked, CL that comes with LCNC is 6 bits tall by 10 bits wide, latest version of CL is 8 bits tall by 12 bits wide. And it allows you to use your mouse to click and drag to select/copy/move parts of your logic.
[08:01:12] <skunkworks_> neat
[08:39:11] <archivist> FinboySlick, maybe time to draw up your lathe bed and do some FEM on it
[09:51:14] <ssi> marn
[11:09:34] <lair82> Hey guys, where can I find the logs for this chat?
[11:09:58] <archivist> multiple places
[11:10:15] <cradek> zlog: tell lair82 where to go
[11:10:56] <archivist> during the recent ddos attacks it was hard to keep the bots up
[11:11:04] <archivist> bookmark
[11:11:04] <the_wench> yet another log is at http://emclog.archivist.info/
[11:11:05] <cradek> lair82: you can edit that URL in the obvious way to get different days
[11:13:04] <lair82> Thanks guys, I usually used http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/ but today it is giving me a 404 NOT FOUND error
[11:14:22] <Magnifikus> hm has hal a function to swap endianes?
[11:16:18] <cradek> wow, why do you want that?
[11:16:44] <cradek> do you mean a hal component or a function at the C level?
[11:16:53] <cradek> and what problem are you solving? it sounds interesting :-)
[11:27:18] <Magnifikus> the pi spi is swaping 2 bytes
[11:27:35] <Magnifikus> wait
[11:28:43] <Magnifikus> aabbccdd becomes bbaaddcc strange
[11:30:25] <ssi> little endian in byte, big endian in 16 bit words
[11:30:27] <cradek> in what situation? what are you doing?
[11:31:00] <cradek> oh I see, spi
[11:31:20] <cradek> is there an endianness standard for spi, like there is for network ordering?
[11:31:52] <jdh> spi is just bits isn't it?
[11:32:13] <Magnifikus> yeah
[11:32:21] <pcw_home> No real standards but usually MSB first
[11:32:22] <cradek> About 102,000 results for "spi endian"
[11:32:22] <cradek> heh
[11:32:31] <Magnifikus> maybe some bug in the fpga also :D
[11:32:46] <Magnifikus> my position fb is jumping like mad
[11:35:41] <cradek> the internet agrees with pcw_home
[11:38:12] <cradek> so maybe you can just use htonl() if you're sending uint32 and ntohl() if you're receiving it?
[11:39:21] <pcw_home> no standards is why its difficult to make a general SPI driver
[11:39:22] <pcw_home> (though Andy Pughs format string system as used with the SSI/BISS/Fanuc serial encoder might be a way)
[11:39:31] <Magnifikus> nah its some wired stuff with bcm i guess, just swapped it by hand now
[11:39:49] <Magnifikus> basing on picnc2 atm
[11:39:58] <cradek> I'm sad there's no standard
[11:40:41] <pcw_home> well there are timing standards, that about it
[11:41:16] <archivist> which reminds me of https://xkcd.com/927/
[11:42:08] <ssi> I had major problems when I was trying to do the fpga bitcoin hasher stuff
[11:42:15] <ssi> endianness of huge numbers
[11:43:26] <Magnifikus> yeah also bitswapped :D
[11:43:30] <Magnifikus> wawwhahwahwhawh
[12:17:44] <Magnifikus> #__packed__ :)
[12:30:41] <FAalbers> Did my first little test yesterday Using CamBam to create gcode and feeding it to LinuxCNC. Worked as expected ! Very precise !
[12:32:47] <maxcnc> FAalbers: 2D or 3D
[12:33:03] <FAalbers> Just 2D for now
[12:33:14] <maxcnc> zero path or CRC
[12:33:27] <FAalbers> Stupis smiley face on plywood
[12:33:33] <FAalbers> Stupid
[12:34:01] <maxcnc> First steps are always fun
[12:34:26] <FAalbers> maxcnc, What is zero path or CRC. I'm a total nube
[12:35:02] <maxcnc> Zero path means on the line of the drawing or a offset the path by tool diameter in the cam
[12:35:03] <FAalbers> Still going through a botload of tutorial videos and manuals :)
[12:35:45] <FAalbers> maxcnc, Offset the path by tool diameter in the cam.
[12:35:47] <maxcnc> CRc means cutter radius Compensation so the G-code is the same mesurments as the drawings and the mashine does the ofset on tooltable
[12:36:27] <FAalbers> Machine does not do the offset, Cam does.
[12:36:39] <FAalbers> Did not know you could do that
[12:36:43] <maxcnc> try it on a square part
[12:37:11] <maxcnc> you will find a benefit in cutting precice parts
[12:37:16] <FAalbers> maxcnc, I guess you have to setup the offset in linuxCNC itself then ?
[12:37:17] <SpeedEvil> if only it worked on the insides.
[12:37:20] <maxcnc> show parts dont matter
[12:37:57] <maxcnc> look at G41 G42
[12:38:04] <FAalbers> maxcnc, Doesn't Cam offset already does a precise job ?
[12:38:29] <maxcnc> with cam ofse you only got one shot
[12:38:37] <maxcnc> return to cam and change gcode
[12:38:50] <maxcnc> with CRC you are done forever in one
[12:39:14] <FAalbers> Another question , how do you route a pocket with perfect sharp corners ?
[12:39:57] <maxcnc> no way minimum tool is here 1mm
[12:40:14] <FAalbers> Yeah, so you add a corner finnish with a 1 ?
[12:40:26] <FAalbers> I guess
[12:40:45] <maxcnc> there are simple gcode programs on the wiki that make you very good tool path on that
[12:41:28] <FAalbers> so, you create the code and insert it ? I saw you can do that with CamBam
[12:41:38] <maxcnc> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators
[12:42:03] <maxcnc> My boss did some cool stuff see Nr 11 12
[12:43:09] <maxcnc> just put the python file in NC_files open it make your entrys an write to axis
[12:43:15] <FAalbers> maxcnc, I also noticed you can run Python scripts in CamBam, very interesting ! :)
[12:43:38] <maxcnc> yes that makes nice shapes in one hit
[12:44:03] <maxcnc> FAalbers: in USA or Elswhere
[12:44:18] <FAalbers> maxcnc, Sooo much to learn, but I'm very excited
[12:44:32] <FAalbers> maxcnc, USA , but grew up in Belgium
[12:44:38] <maxcnc> keep yu intusiast
[12:46:02] <FAalbers> maxcnc, I've been doing Pro Computer Graphics for 21 years now. I just got into the tangible part of it. 3D Printing, CNC . I'm also getting into electronics, microcontrollers, robotics .
[12:46:29] <maxcnc> thats the way to big money
[12:46:44] <FAalbers> I'm close to going into early retirement and start doing all this new stuff full time. Very excited ! :)
[12:46:47] <maxcnc> i started on chees mill
[12:47:04] <maxcnc> now got 10 employee and 40 mashines running
[12:47:50] <FAalbers> I also started building and flying multirotor drones. That is an area where all the above I mentioned comes into play
[12:48:08] <FAalbers> maxcnc, Nice ! Whare are you at ?
[12:48:16] <maxcnc> Germany
[12:48:24] <FAalbers> Cool !
[12:48:28] <maxcnc> drones are under control here
[12:48:42] <FAalbers> I'm currently working at Pixar Animation Studios
[12:48:55] <maxcnc> i work with blender 3D
[12:49:15] <maxcnc> free and powerfull
[12:49:19] <FAalbers> yeah, but drones are a good way to start tasting a bit of it all
[12:49:45] <FAalbers> Yeah, I know the makers of Bender , great software for beeing free
[12:50:17] <FAalbers> So I bought licenses of CamBam and CutViewer this week. Getting myself up to speed on that
[12:50:27] <maxcnc> manipulating files from so many inputs to mashine output is great
[12:50:47] <maxcnc> thee is so many free stuff
[12:50:56] <maxcnc> no need to buy anything
[12:51:22] <maxcnc> on linux !
[12:51:31] <maxcnc> not on the wigwam side
[12:51:32] <FAalbers> Got myself a $50 computer with parallel port and attached it to a 3040 CNC router I just bought
[12:51:49] <maxcnc> the way it all starts
[12:52:11] <FAalbers> And installed LinuxCNC
[12:52:28] <maxcnc> so only one linux PC at home
[12:53:09] <maxcnc> here its all linux no Windows in the Factory
[12:53:34] <FAalbers> Did not find right away a good freware Cam package on Linux. Sure they do exist though. But CamBam was a great money/value !
[12:53:53] <maxcnc> agree on that
[12:54:14] <FAalbers> I love dev on Linux , hate Win
[12:54:15] <maxcnc> you are always bettr informed after you bought
[12:54:37] <maxcnc> noone hates win its a miss
[12:55:59] <maxcnc> the shop owner here lost the hole system then he started with linux and its grown awaysome
[12:56:34] <maxcnc> i can read files and run mashines that have been installed in 2006
[12:57:04] <maxcnc> amazing
[12:58:32] <FAalbers> Heh, backwards compatible
[12:59:09] <FAalbers> Well, if you know how to manipulate your core data , your in a sweet spot
[13:00:14] <FAalbers> We just changed from a system that was developed in 1985 to a new one that started dev 5 years ago ... Go figure. The Old system was and still is kick ass
[13:00:25] <FAalbers> maxcnc, ^^
[13:01:10] <maxcnc> never change a runnig system
[13:01:26] <maxcnc> till you realy realy must do
[13:02:18] <SpeedEvil> Or until you can't get parts
[13:02:29] <SpeedEvil> Which is the same thing for sane people. (before failure)
[13:10:30] <maxcnc> if it fails you need to get action so its time to go upgrade on some point of no return
[13:13:08] <FAalbers> I wonder if there any good online reference for material/bit routing values ? Cut and Plunge feedrates ? Haven't done proper research on that yet
[13:14:56] <FAalbers> Had my Stock Top settings a little bit wrong on the first try. Dipped the bit too low. Luckally I could directly reduce the feed speed on LinuxCNC with the slider :)
[13:16:10] <maxcnc> the cutter speed depends on so many its best practice to try on your router the max
[13:23:38] <maxcnc> GN8
[13:27:40] <_methods> oh wow apple just invented 3d printing
[13:27:42] <_methods> http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/12/03/apple-investigating-3d-color-printer-technology
[13:30:33] <SpeedEvil> It will only produce 6.8mm high objects
[13:31:16] <SpeedEvil> Shit patent is shit.
[13:32:03] <_methods> yeah well they invented it now
[13:32:28] <_methods> no one will be allowed to 3d print with anything but white anymore lol
[13:32:39] <_methods> apple invented color
[13:51:13] <CaptHindsight> heh, it's a goofy design
[13:51:28] <CaptHindsight> they won't be able to make it cost effective or fast enough
[13:51:48] <_methods> they'll just sue people
[13:52:09] <_methods> now anyone that tries to print in multiple colors will have to pay apple off
[13:52:26] <CaptHindsight> inkjet deposition has been around for a while
[13:53:14] <CaptHindsight> do you know how slow printheads are?
[13:54:02] <CaptHindsight> yeah I can make one that works really fast but it's not going to be $1K since the heads cost 3-7x that ea
[13:55:45] <CaptHindsight> if Apple makes their own printheads in China it could be cheap but the inkjet patent holders are going to make a fuss when they export them
[13:57:19] <_methods> wonder what their angle is
[13:57:29] <CaptHindsight> just another patent
[13:57:50] <CaptHindsight> it looks good at review time at Apple
[13:58:20] <CaptHindsight> they really haven't done anything except look busy
[13:59:38] <_methods> well i'm just glad apple invented it now
[13:59:43] <CaptHindsight> http://global.kyocera.com/news/2012/0404_phhs.html
[13:59:53] <_methods> so they can revolutionize it
[14:00:22] <_methods> 3d printing is the future
[14:01:27] <CaptHindsight> 330 million/S x 16pL = ~19L/hour
[14:02:33] <_methods> apple taught them how to do that
[14:02:53] <CaptHindsight> time mashine
[14:03:01] <_methods> steve jobs isn't dead
[14:03:09] <_methods> he went back in time to teach kyocera
[14:03:45] <Tecan> is that what the voices say ?
[14:04:30] <_methods> you hear them too?
[14:04:49] <Tecan> was formal for a while
[14:05:58] <_methods> hehe
[14:07:37] <Tecan> the nurses were hot though
[14:08:06] <_methods> in the land of no shoe laces
[14:09:14] <Tecan> life in the matrix
[14:26:25] <Jymmm> PHUK ME... *whew*
[14:27:30] <Jymmm> BIG HINT... Never let your wife/gf "blindly" accept firewood.
[14:29:42] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_J19CDjI8E - reminds me of
[14:34:27] <_methods> never take firewood from blind people?
[14:34:40] <_methods> true wisdom
[14:37:12] <malcom2073> Has anyone linked this yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS-ErOKpO4E ?
[14:37:34] <JT-Shop> you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd
[14:37:58] <malcom2073> _methods: Or never let your wife accept firewood blind?
[14:38:09] <_methods> also wisdom
[14:38:10] <_methods> lol
[14:38:24] <malcom2073> Or accept blind firewood?
[14:38:26] <malcom2073> I'm confused
[14:38:27] <_methods> never let your wife take a blind mans wood
[14:38:38] <malcom2073> Heyy-ohh
[14:38:43] <_methods> hahahah
[14:39:01] <_methods> i think Jymmm is just tryin to tell us he caught his wife cheating on him
[14:39:13] <lair82> I bet the blind guy liked it ;)
[14:39:26] <malcom2073> Is firewood a euphamism for something?
[14:39:37] <malcom2073> *euphemism
[14:40:02] <lair82> Maybe the blind guy had red hair????
[14:41:18] <TMA> firewood? tinder?
[14:41:38] <_methods> hahahah
[14:42:23] <lair82> Where did you go Jymmm, you should probably start explaining your self, quickly
[14:51:47] <CaptHindsight> every few months there is some news about an Apple patent
[14:53:00] <CaptHindsight> virtual reality projectors, 3d metal printers, autonomous cars, etc
[14:54:12] <CaptHindsight> the only new product has been that watch ...
[14:54:23] <CaptHindsight> or did I miss something?
[14:54:28] <SpeedEvil> they did a pen
[14:54:31] <_methods> they invented that too
[14:55:09] <CaptHindsight> ink pen? smartpen?
[14:55:21] <gregcnc> Patents can be sold or prevent others from using the idea. HP had a fuel injection system base on their inkjets. Eventually it sold to a company making UAV engines.
[15:02:08] <CaptHindsight> _methods: so Apple has pretty much invented everything already, even if it hasn't been thought of yet or in the future
[15:02:32] <_methods> yes they have time machines lol
[15:02:40] <CaptHindsight> oh and in the past
[15:02:48] <CaptHindsight> retroactively
[15:03:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3dhSnEtdWw Time Masheen
[15:07:26] <XXCoder> thats just silly lol
[15:08:14] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJIJp9ikhXA my favorite one
[15:08:34] <XXCoder> I never could find movie of that machine actually on and working
[15:08:38] <XXCoder> *video
[15:10:44] <XXCoder> my most favorite (for special effects) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBuLoRzhWeI
[15:10:49] <XXCoder> too bad that movie kinda suck
[15:18:09] <XXCoder> my most favorite part - he gets knocked out by moon parts hitting earth (time machine partially protected him)
[15:18:34] <XXCoder> and hes knocked out for very long time, maybe 2 minutes traveling at maxamium speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSs6eKmTCDY
[15:58:52] <XXCoder> wow someone actually built one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwhc52LxMo
[16:01:03] <XXCoder> guess guys a great mchinist or something
[16:03:44] <lair82> pcw_home, the latency is at 11,094, and has been for 3 hrs now
[16:04:01] <Deejay> gn8
[16:05:06] <MrSunshine> gah what are these fpga cards for cnc called ?
[16:10:38] <malcom2073> Mesa?
[16:11:19] <MrSunshine> ah ...
[16:11:24] <MrSunshine> totaly disapeard from my mind
[16:12:03] <XXCoder> tb6560 is cheap ones
[16:12:27] <XXCoder> "fpga" hmm dunno if tb6560 counts actually
[16:12:30] <malcom2073> 6600's are much better, but those are stepper drives not fpga cards
[16:12:42] <XXCoder> yeah figured that lol thanks
[16:17:03] <zeeshan> your face is a fpga card
[16:17:29] <XXCoder> wow nice, save money
[16:26:17] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: 17 pieces of siding left in the pile
[16:33:10] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Really? heh
[16:33:16] <malcom2073> *insert your mom's a fpga card joke here*
[16:39:30] <zeeshan> yo momma so fat that not even a fpga card could handle her
[16:54:51] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, how many still need to go up?
[16:58:01] <JT-Shop> a few on the top row and 3' x 27' plus one gable
[17:20:38] <zeeshan> tommy boy!
[17:41:48] <zeeshan> ive always heard that it's a bad idea to put switched power supplies in series or paralle
[17:53:18] <enleth> zeeshan: if they're not designed to work with no load, yes
[17:53:39] <enleth> otherwise just use a standard diode arrangement for parallel PSU connections
[17:55:55] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppb1888k0iar2jt/2015-12-02%2015.56.55.jpg?dl=0
[17:55:57] <t12> yaaaaa lasers
[18:07:03] <zeeshan> enleth it looks like some power supplies have a "sharing circuit
[18:07:03] <zeeshan> "
[18:12:47] <_methods> pew pew
[18:16:18] * JT-Shop calls it a day
[18:25:09] <Tom_itx> a Thurs day?
[18:59:57] <Jymmm> lair82: HAHAHA
[19:02:37] <Jymmm> What that means is, when you ask a drunk neighbor where to get good firewood, don't let him come by where you're not home with a load of crappy ass firewood consisting of: 1) 2" rounds when you specifically said you needed 5", 2) half the round full of multiple species of ant nests so you literlaly have to todd int he bbq to burn so doens't infest the ret of your wood pile, and 3) Unseasoned "seasoned" wood that still has a DARK GREEN leaf
[19:02:37] <Jymmm> still attached to it.
[19:03:36] <Jymmm> And as soon as I got the bbq going, it started hailing.
[19:03:53] <Jymmm> Then the hai stopped and rain began.
[19:04:56] <Jymmm> Then I found MORE ant infested rounds, so had to pull out the log from the bbq as they had mostly smoked/chared, to make room for the newly found ones.
[19:05:01] <Jymmm> logs*
[19:05:29] <Jymmm> Then buty them in a hole as we had to leave and they were still glowing
[19:05:33] <Jymmm> bury*
[19:09:59] <Jymmm> How to save $20K hospital bill... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXEZ6g2WLoM
[19:13:50] <cncnoob1979> I have MT30R4-58 DC Brush Servo drives that was installed on a Interact 1 Heidenhain TCN-151 controller. The encoder on the servo is probably sinusoidal encoders and not quadrature based on the Heidenhain controller. So my question is: Does anyone know how difficult it would be to replace the Heidenhain Encoder with another Coder so I do not need to convert the signals? or is there a solution that would be the easier?
[19:14:26] <cncnoob1979> Im in the planning stages of of yet. I have not picked this mill up to test anything. I pick this mill up this weekend.
[19:16:10] <cncnoob1979> Also, this would be a retro fit and the Heidenhain controller has already been removed. Im leaning towards using Mesa hardware on the retrofit and trying to keep all componets intact as possible.
[19:20:22] <zeeshan> cncnoob1979: idp101
[19:20:25] <zeeshan> use those conversion carts
[19:20:27] <zeeshan> cards
[19:20:32] <zeeshan> they take the sin cos signal and convert to ttl
[19:21:04] <cncnoob1979> im not familiar with those cards. I will search for them online.
[19:23:03] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heidenhain-Encoder-PCB-262417-IDP101-/281387324911?hash=item4183fdd5ef:g:Rs0AAOSwKPNTxo2r
[19:23:15] <cncnoob1979> ill have to research further, but off the top of your head will these do multiple axis's?
[19:23:24] <zeeshan> no you use one card per axis
[19:23:30] <zeeshan> i stacked 3 of them for my setup
[19:23:34] <zeeshan> so they didnt take much space
[19:23:49] <cncnoob1979> do they need to be placed on a heat sink?
[19:23:53] <zeeshan> no
[19:24:51] <cncnoob1979> awesome! thanks Zeeshan! Were you happy with the install and configuration?
[19:25:43] <zeeshan> yes, i had the tnc151 as well
[19:25:47] <zeeshan> will never go back
[19:25:52] <zeeshan> 5i25, 7i77
[19:25:53] <zeeshan> idp101
[19:25:55] <zeeshan> and youre good to go
[19:26:08] <cncnoob1979> Did you use the existing Bosch Servo amps - Z15-1-240v?
[19:26:12] <zeeshan> no
[19:26:20] <zeeshan> cause i converted my machine to run off single phase
[19:26:25] <zeeshan> otherwise i would have
[19:27:06] <cncnoob1979> I pulled the spec sheet for the Z15-1-240v and they were single phase I thought.
[19:27:26] <zeeshan> https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7505/16251023906_a5b138dae1_h.jpg
[19:27:34] <zeeshan> nm
[19:27:37] <zeeshan> i found the better pic
[19:27:46] <zeeshan> https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7471/16081023790_ea7e9061b0_h.jpg
[19:27:49] <zeeshan> they're on the top right
[19:27:56] <zeeshan> you can use stand offs to space them
[19:29:20] <cncnoob1979> That is nice looking work! GJ!
[19:29:40] <zeeshan> thanks man!
[19:29:45] <zeeshan> the original cabinet was huge
[19:30:07] <cncnoob1979> I looked at the spec sheet for Z15-1-240v drives and Im pretty sure they were single phased. Did you find something else?
[19:30:16] <zeeshan> mine were tr15
[19:30:17] <zeeshan> or something
[19:30:33] <zeeshan> it should be pretty easy to identify if theyre signle phase or not
[19:30:33] <cncnoob1979> oh ok got you! I was worried for a bit!
[19:30:36] <zeeshan> look at the power side
[19:30:42] <zeeshan> and see if its got l1 l2 l3
[19:30:52] <cncnoob1979> its l1 / l2
[19:31:15] <cncnoob1979> do you have anymore pics or documentation of your build?
[19:31:23] <zeeshan> its scattered
[19:31:32] <zeeshan> this might help:
[19:31:34] <cncnoob1979> You should show it off :)
[19:31:55] <cncnoob1979> What mb did you use? Looks full atx
[19:32:00] <zeeshan> yes
[19:32:04] <zeeshan> id like to swap it with a mini
[19:32:09] <zeeshan> its an old computer i had
[19:32:12] <zeeshan> big mistake i made :P
[19:32:28] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/abmmue9j5bwostk/Master%20Wiring%20Diagram.pdf?dl=0
[19:32:32] <zeeshan> wiring diagram for the machine
[19:32:46] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pz1o87ru9cyhgwm/IO.PDF?dl=0
[19:32:47] <cncnoob1979> Are you happy with the 5i25/7i77 combo?
[19:32:48] <zeeshan> i/o stuff
[19:32:51] <zeeshan> yes
[19:33:01] <zeeshan> you need them
[19:33:10] <zeeshan> i dont think the computer will be able to read the encoder signals fast enough
[19:33:53] <cncnoob1979> agreed, I was just wondering if you had plenty of Io/gpio / if you used spindle encoder. .ect
[19:34:05] <cncnoob1979> were you close on io/axis?
[19:34:06] <zeeshan> it doesnt use the io for encoders
[19:34:13] <zeeshan> it has 6 encoder inputs
[19:34:15] <zeeshan> and 6 drive outputs
[19:34:18] <zeeshan> seperate from the io
[19:34:31] <zeeshan> its a really good card!
[19:34:52] <cncnoob1979> yes my mistake, your correct ;)
[19:34:53] <zeeshan> it also allows wiring to be simplified
[19:34:58] <zeeshan> like for example
[19:35:03] <zeeshan> the outputs can drive upto 300mA
[19:35:09] <zeeshan> so you can energize relays directly w/ em
[19:35:24] <cncnoob1979> did you use cables, its db25 pin right?
[19:35:35] <zeeshan> yea it comes with a reallyu long db25 cable
[19:35:45] <zeeshan> to connect between 5i25 and 7i77
[19:36:27] <cncnoob1979> I was just looking at your pic and seen it, is that a 90@deg adapter for the 7i77 card?
[19:36:42] <zeeshan> yea i bought one from some website
[19:37:01] <zeeshan> because i was trying to be as compact as possible
[19:37:04] <cncnoob1979> great idea
[19:37:53] <cncnoob1979> If you had to do it over again, besides the mb would you change anything?
[19:39:24] <zeeshan> got a couple more 24v relays
[19:39:30] <zeeshan> because right now i have to add a circuit for mist coolant
[19:39:37] <zeeshan> and i dont have any extra 24v relays
[19:39:45] <zeeshan> *get
[19:39:58] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Put two 12V in series
[19:40:23] <zeeshan> cncnoob1979: also buy the connectors for the idp101
[19:40:25] <cncnoob1979> and you drove them directly with the outputs
[19:40:26] <zeeshan> mine didnt come w/ some
[19:40:33] <zeeshan> so i had to use universal connectors
[19:40:35] <zeeshan> if they come loose
[19:40:39] <zeeshan> you will lose position
[19:40:45] <zeeshan> i had to epoxy mine in place.
[19:40:45] <zeeshan> :P
[19:40:57] <zeeshan> cause i noticed i was losing position cause they came loose
[19:41:01] <cncnoob1979> I havent studied the board yet.. which connectors are you referring to?
[19:41:11] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heidenhain-Encoder-PCB-262417-IDP101-/281387324911?hash=item4183fdd5ef:g:Rs0AAOSwKPNTxo2r
[19:41:15] <zeeshan> they green ones that come w/ this kit
[19:41:23] <zeeshan> they have locking tabs on them
[19:41:27] <zeeshan> so the connectors wont get loose
[19:41:43] <zeeshan> and yes relays are driven w/ 7i77 directly
[19:41:58] <cncnoob1979> got you, locking tabs
[19:42:06] <zeeshan> cncnoob1979: best way to describe 7i77 combo w/ 5i25 is
[19:42:12] <zeeshan> it does hardware generation of signals
[19:42:24] <zeeshan> and does the job of like 6 different cnc4pc cards
[19:42:41] <zeeshan> i built a stepper based lathe controller
[19:42:45] <zeeshan> and i had to use so many different garbage cards
[19:43:01] <zeeshan> for example, 7i77 naturally has a watchdog built into it
[19:43:11] <zeeshan> where as with cnc4pc cards, you have to buy a "charge pump" card
[19:43:12] <cncnoob1979> the only issue with using mesa hardware right now is the lead times, well behind on orders. 4-6 weeks :(
[19:43:49] <zeeshan> worth the wait :P
[19:44:10] <cncnoob1979> I have decided I want to use Mesa cards! Nothing in my mind * comes close.
[19:44:30] <zeeshan> i calculated that you'd need to spend a lot more
[19:44:33] <zeeshan> if you tried to go w/ something else
[19:44:33] <cncnoob1979> but Im american and have that _ I want it now_ thing going on
[19:44:39] <zeeshan> msg pcw
[19:44:43] <zeeshan> see if he's got some extra
[19:45:13] <cncnoob1979> will do :)
[19:46:32] <cncnoob1979> completed :)
[19:47:17] <cncnoob1979> did you ever post your hal files, or did you just enter them manually?
[19:48:02] <cncnoob1979> the 24v relays, did you re use existing relays or did you purchase these seperatly?
[20:01:10] <Jymmm> hahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9RyvL-tTWE
[20:02:43] <zeeshan> cncnoob1979: the relays that came with originalk control were too bulky
[20:02:51] <zeeshan> i got wago din rail mounted ones
[20:03:03] <zeeshan> i reused the contactors though
[20:03:43] <zeeshan> hal files were first generated w/ pncconf and then hand massaged :P
[20:04:04] <cncnoob1979> sweet Ill look those up right now.. the relays that is
[20:04:15] <cncnoob1979> how long have you had your machine built?
[20:04:20] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-6-Wago-788-304-DIN-Mount-Relay-Tyco-RT314024-Socket-Relays-24V-Coils-/181770508795?hash=item2a525dd9fb:g:OFgAAOSwd4tUEfux
[20:04:32] <zeeshan> a bit more than a year now i think
[20:04:45] <zeeshan> its been used heavy though :D
[20:05:31] <cncnoob1979> been happy with position using the IDP 101?
[20:05:56] <cncnoob1979> minus the epoxy situation
[20:06:01] <zeeshan> yes
[20:06:14] <zeeshan> i had an oscilloscope hooked to it
[20:06:19] <zeeshan> its doing what its supposed to be :)
[20:07:04] <cncnoob1979> did you have to tune the card to the signals? or just plug and play so to speak
[20:07:10] <zeeshan> pnp
[20:08:42] <cncnoob1979> did you have to buy a rail to mount the din rail relays?
[20:09:33] <cncnoob1979> or did you reuse an existing rail?
[20:09:45] <zeeshan> BUY
[20:09:47] <zeeshan> whoops caps
[20:14:21] <cncnoob1979> zeeshan: what did you use for your 5v source for the IDP101?
[20:14:31] <zeeshan> 5v psu
[20:14:33] <zeeshan> powers both 7i77
[20:14:37] <zeeshan> and idp
[20:14:46] <zeeshan> i wanted to keep those things isolated away from computer 5v
[20:14:49] <zeeshan> (paranoia)
[20:15:38] <Jymmm> zeeshan: takes your medication
[20:15:43] <Jymmm> -s
[20:20:28] <Jymmm> Damn, non stop... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mLSVWP4OS8
[20:21:33] <Jymmm> hahahahahahha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW--uaxo7Ag
[20:36:06] <Jymmm> Motor winding machine... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2qr-SFiIgU
[20:51:19] <Tom_itx> and here i thought they did that all by hand
[21:03:10] <cncnoob1979> zeeshan: where did you get the rail to mount your relays? Ive been looking this all this time for something that would work. Would you mind pointing me in the right direction?
[21:05:06] <cncnoob1979> nvmd I just found the information :)
[21:05:57] <Tom_itx> din rail?
[21:17:45] <Jymmm> cncnoob1979: DIN RAIL
[21:21:54] <jdh> din rail
[23:48:02] <jesseg> Here
[23:49:14] <jesseg> Here's an interesting one. I took apart a small cheapo Chinese LED flashlight, which has an aluminum heatsink/reflector. Inside, the reflector is very shiny looking but I can tell that the shiny surface was painted on due to the drips on the outside....
[23:49:29] <jesseg> Soo my question is -- what sort of highly reflective mirror polish paint are they using?!
[23:58:17] <Jymmm> jesseg: Spray on chrome finish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvtRYZ5EasA
[23:58:31] <Jymmm> jesseg: workson plastics too