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[02:12:37] <Deejay> moin
[03:55:49] <ReadError> Crom
[03:55:53] <ReadError> is that the blue china 40w?
[04:48:34] <markvandenborre> ReadError: k40 is the el cheapo mass cloned Chinese mini laser
[05:26:19] <jthornton> morning
[05:35:39] <ReadError> markvandenborre ah yea
[05:35:41] <ReadError> I have one
[05:36:00] <ReadError> recently got a few smoothie clones, will replace controller sometime and rid myself of chinese garbage software
[05:39:23] <XXCoder> chinese own all
[05:39:31] <XXCoder> god was made by chinese
[05:40:21] <ReadError> the smoothies are from china too
[05:40:36] <chris_99> ReadError, are those an exact clone of the smoothieboard, not seen them before, got a link?
[05:40:45] <ReadError> chris_99 they are way nicer
[05:40:56] <XXCoder> universe rolled off chinese assembly lines 13 billion years ago
[05:41:36] <ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3D-priter-control-board-MKS-SBase-V1-0-32-s-Motherboard-compatible-Smoothieware-open-source-firmware/32410815670.html
[05:41:53] <ReadError> https://github.com/makerbase-mks/MKS-SBASE
[05:42:11] <chris_99> interesting, cheers!
[05:42:24] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/photos/i-g3n2VKG/0/X3/i-g3n2VKG-X3.jpg
[05:42:36] <ReadError> better drivers, build quality is much better
[05:42:48] <ReadError> and only $50 vs $150 or w/e
[05:53:27] <chris_99> ah neat
[05:53:31] <chris_99> i think it uses the same stepper
[05:53:35] <chris_99> driver that i bought recently
[06:24:16] <jthornton> sweet 49 down 16 to go
[06:26:56] <malcom2073_> ReadError: That looks pretty sweet, and the price is much nicer than $150
[06:35:59] <ReadError> chris_99 yea drv8825 or w/e
[06:36:06] <chris_99> mm that's it
[06:36:10] <ReadError> malcom2073_ yea, just everything is much nicer on it
[06:36:17] <chris_99> you got them, or still waiting for them ReadError?
[06:50:42] <Tom_itx> jthornton, that's alot of beer in the morning
[06:52:04] <lair82> I don't know, as many problems as I have been having here, that many beers sounds like a hell of an idea right now ;)
[07:03:07] <ReadError> chris_99 yea I got them
[07:04:40] <chris_99> nice :) what software do you use on the PC, to control them? from their site it looks like theres a number of options
[07:05:00] <ReadError> using it for a pick-n-place project now
[07:05:09] <ReadError> the laser will have to wait a bit
[07:26:42] <jthornton> lol
[07:27:07] <jthornton> wife thought it was thursday and didn't get up lol
[07:29:41] <Tom_itx> oops
[07:30:25] <malcom2073_> Heh whups
[07:38:13] <__rob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqNOx57f2OU
[07:38:17] <__rob> anyone know what motor that is ?
[07:38:19] <__rob> or what type
[07:38:24] <__rob> crazy smooth
[07:38:47] <__rob> just says "dc motor"
[07:44:01] <Tom_itx> bldc probably
[07:45:14] <__rob> what is it about that motor that makes it so accurate though ?
[07:45:18] <__rob> a high pole count ?
[07:45:26] <__rob> slotless ?
[07:45:31] <Tom_itx> similar to a hdd motor
[07:46:07] <malcom2073_> __rob: Servo, you don't have the "steps" that a stepper has
[07:46:13] <Tom_itx> he said in the comments it was a bldc
[07:46:37] <__rob> malcom2073, no but there are still poles on bldc
[07:46:43] <__rob> and cogging
[07:47:08] <Tom_itx> i didn't notice cogging :)
[07:47:11] <malcom2073_> Sure, but you won't see that when run as a servo
[07:47:42] <__rob> when you say run as a servo, you are meaning the closed loop? or the type of commutation ?
[07:48:03] <Tom_itx> closed loop
[07:48:07] <malcom2073_> The only cogging you'll get is the lack of resolution in pole current control
[07:48:18] <malcom2073_> If that's fine enough, it'll be small enough you can't feel or see it
[07:48:42] <malcom2073_> Or the resolution of the encoder heh
[07:48:47] <__rob> yea, thats what I mean, to position in between poles you have different current on each phase
[07:49:13] <__rob> but no matter the resolution of the encoder, surely how finely you can position between poles is depndant on the motor only ?
[07:49:23] <malcom2073_> Dependant on the controller
[07:50:22] <__rob> so dependant how how well it can regulate the current to each phase and respond to changes in the encoder ?
[07:50:37] <malcom2073_> Yeah
[07:50:38] <__rob> so theoretically, even a low pole count bldc can be positioned like that witha fast enough controoler ?
[07:51:06] <__rob> (and a good enough current regulation)
[07:51:16] <malcom2073_> Sure
[07:51:40] <malcom2073_> My brushed DC servo moves that smooth, with two poles
[07:52:42] <malcom2073_> Bad comparison, sorry heh
[07:52:56] <malcom2073_> But yes, even with only a few poles you can get smooth consistant motion under no load
[07:55:49] <malcom2073_> In any case, he doesn't say what kind of BLDC motor it is, so it may be a perfectly normal servo motor :)
[07:56:30] <greg_> servo motors brush or brushless normally have no cogging due to skewed laminations.
[08:00:52] <__rob> https://fmcc.faulhaber.com/details/overview/PGR_4411_13822/PGR_13822_13814/en/GLOBAL/
[08:01:09] <__rob> so theorectially something like that could run to very high resoltion
[08:01:14] <__rob> with a good enough encoder and control loop
[08:01:17] <greg_> driving a DC motor with strong cogging such that it positions between is akin to microstepping a stepper. possible, maybe not the best way for what you're trying to do
[08:01:32] <greg_> those motors should be slotsless and won't cog
[08:02:12] <__rob> yea, well this is where I am confused, as a stepper driving with n microsteps is very similar to commutating a bldc with a sinewave
[08:02:45] <__rob> problem with the (cheap) bldc i've tried is the cogging means the steps size varies,
[08:02:52] <greg_> right
[08:02:53] <__rob> but then the same happens with mirostepping
[08:02:57] <greg_> yes
[08:03:22] <greg_> to achieve the resolution you want, you need a motor that doesn't cog
[08:03:27] <__rob> so presumably for finest resoltion, 0 cogging, slotless motors is what I want
[08:03:41] <__rob> right - which apparently these faulhaber ones are
[08:03:57] <greg_> slotless may or may not be the answer.
[08:04:48] <__rob> ohh, for what reason ?
[08:04:59] <greg_> you still often get torque ripple.
[08:05:16] <__rob> ahh right, so 0 cogging is all I can about
[08:05:24] <__rob> care about*
[08:05:49] <greg_> it should make life much easier
[08:17:36] <__rob> http://www.piezomotor.com/products/rotary/lr17/
[08:17:37] <__rob> or these
[08:17:43] <__rob> £800 a motor tho
[08:17:49] <jthornton> I guess I'll have plenty of time to clean up the beer cave in the next 4 days with all that rain on the way
[08:17:52] <__rob> really quite cool
[08:25:48] <lair82> Good morning guys, I am going to try to not double post about my dilemma, but I am driving into a brick wall, at a high rate of fuel consumption!!
[08:26:42] <lair82> I have been going over my config line by line changing ing different things for my rotary "A" axis, and cannot make heads or tails of what is going on,
[08:36:59] <trentster> Hi all, does anyone care to fathom a guess at how much movement this actuator has and does anyone have a clue what kind of motor mount it has on top, it does not look like the normal nema 23 I have seen on other THK KR33's http://cl.ly/image/0e210V2T1R3k
[08:43:35] <SpeedEvil> I would expect the slide to go from the position it is with respect to that end, to the position it is in with respect to the other end - same gap
[08:43:41] <SpeedEvil> that looks like it's all the way to the right
[08:44:05] <SpeedEvil> Or very nearly so
[08:47:00] <trentster> so what would you estimate 70mm of movement?
[08:47:56] <SpeedEvil> I don't know what size that is
[08:48:13] <SpeedEvil> If the 'slot' it can move in is about 85mm, then yes
[08:48:15] <trentster> well thats what I am trying to figure out
[08:48:53] <trentster> and the motor mount you ever seen something like that?
[08:49:33] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - I'm not finding anything remotely surprising or unusual about the above that could possibly confuse
[08:49:59] <SpeedEvil> the coupler goes on the end of the shaft to the motor mounted on the end
[08:53:35] <trentster> SpeedEvil: every thk KR33 I have ever seen looks like this http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/ClAAAOSwPcVVnIj5/$_57.JPG
[08:53:44] <trentster> As you can see they are very different
[08:54:23] <SpeedEvil> It is functionally identical
[08:56:06] <trentster> not really
[08:56:42] <trentster> if a large spindle is attached it will not be able to clear the motor mount on the the 1 actuator but will on the other
[08:56:51] <trentster> so functionally quite different
[08:56:54] <trentster> :-)
[09:03:29] <CaptHindsight> Chinese smoothie clones heh, they should have just given them the plans 2-3 years ago since the devs were so altruistic
[09:03:51] <malcom2073_> CaptHindsight: They did, it's open source heh
[09:06:48] <CaptHindsight> and a woosh for Mr Naive
[09:09:11] <malcom2073_> My apologies, I didn't quite hear your tone of voice, speak louder next time perhaps? ;)
[09:09:24] <malcom2073_> Hard to tell the difference between sarcasm and ignorance on the internet
[09:09:31] <malcom2073_> Didn't know if you actually knew it was open source
[09:12:57] <ReadError> atleast they improved it a bunch
[09:14:00] <malcom2073_> I seem to recall hearing somewhere that smoothie was working on a fpga/arm combo for their next version. If they fix their motion control it could actually turn into a decent controller
[09:14:11] <CaptHindsight> well the original design was by people with little hardware experience
[09:18:29] <CaptHindsight> so more reinventing vs imx6 + mesa hm2-eth
[09:19:34] <malcom2073_> It's about price vs functionality. If you want to plug in a SD card and have it go for $50, boom.
[09:19:48] <malcom2073_> imx6 + mesa + stepper drivers == expense
[09:20:52] <CaptHindsight> what is it going to control? a useful gluegun?
[09:21:18] <malcom2073_> Yes yes, we all know your opinions on that.
[09:22:34] <CaptHindsight> myopia
[09:23:29] <malcom2073_> You make no sense most of the time
[09:24:50] <ReadError> i would still like to find an affordable auger valve solution
[09:24:57] <ReadError> but they are all very expensive
[09:25:26] <malcom2073_> ReadError: for solder paste?
[09:25:37] <ReadError> yup
[09:26:09] <malcom2073_> I keep meaning to get into making my own pcbs, but design seems to elude me thus far
[09:34:43] <ReadError> I think the auger systems ive seen start around $4k
[09:35:15] <malcom2073_> Ouch heh
[09:58:32] <MrSunshine_> ah finaly i have a frekkin square to check the machine with
[09:58:49] <MrSunshine_> 330x500mm DIN875/1 square .. should be good enough for a wood working machine
[09:59:29] <CaptHindsight> too bad there is no such thing as a conductive low viscosity fluid or adhesive that doesn't require an auger
[10:00:19] <lair82> Question Gentleman, using Halscope should I be able to see the encoder.xxxx.xxxx.index-enable signal for a given encoder?
[10:05:33] <CaptHindsight> I also heard a rumor that electrical contacts may be bonded ultrasonically or with light using conductive photopolymers or with heat by sintering polymer coated conductive powders or blocked isocyanate conductive fluids
[10:06:17] <CaptHindsight> that don't require an auger for deposition
[10:11:25] <_methods> CaptHindsight: did you hurt his feelings
[10:11:32] <_methods> you know how sensitive he is
[10:13:49] <CaptHindsight> _methods: did you ever watch the PBS specials on the robot competitions at MIT back in the 80's?
[10:14:13] <_methods> no never saw those
[10:16:26] <CaptHindsight> one of the judges/professors said his students suddenly become teachable in the final hours before it's hands down
[10:18:51] <_methods> yes but you make no sense most of the time lol
[10:19:12] <CaptHindsight> lol
[10:19:49] <Magnifikus> stupid question if i need to mill 30mm deep into aluminium, is it a problem to take mill with 22mm cutting length
[10:20:00] <Magnifikus> if the shaft has same diamater as the cutter?
[10:20:09] <Magnifikus> not sure if that would damage the shaft
[10:20:52] <_methods> yes that's bad
[10:21:18] <_methods> you want a shank smaller than your cutting diameter if you're going to cut beyond flute length
[10:21:32] <_methods> or it will rub on the pocket wall
[10:21:46] <Magnifikus> turn it down the 8mm for 0,2mm? :D
[10:21:48] <_methods> and aluminum will gall and build up on the shank and make a mess of your pocket
[10:21:58] <_methods> sure or grind it
[10:22:06] <_methods> you just need some clearance
[10:22:16] <Magnifikus> cause we just got a cheap spindle this 10k to 25k rpm 800watt thingies
[10:22:26] <Magnifikus> and its hard to get mills for that
[10:22:33] <Magnifikus> single flut small diameter
[10:23:28] <Magnifikus> k ty :)
[10:23:44] <_methods> np
[10:31:33] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073_: http://jordanbunker.com/archives/41 no auger required for traces
[10:33:01] <malcom2073_> I've seen that, pretty cool idea, but the auger isn't for creating circuits, it's for solder paste
[10:33:38] <malcom2073_> I've seen a syringe before with some success
[10:48:50] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073_: lower the viscosity of the solder paste
[10:49:42] <CaptHindsight> the version you have used is most likely for being spread with a rubber knife and with a stencil
[10:50:16] <ReadError> yea a lot of paste is designed for stenciling
[10:50:21] <ReadError> not hand application
[10:50:59] <CaptHindsight> you can get off the shelf solder paste in a syringe
[10:51:35] <CaptHindsight> I have some by Kester on my desk, might be 20 years old
[10:57:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.kester.com/products/product/R276-Solder-Paste/ here is one that already formulated for dispensing with a syringe
[10:57:53] <_methods> hurry up and buy it all and put it on kickstarter
[10:58:02] <CaptHindsight> oh poop
[10:58:05] <_methods> and sell it as specially formulated solder paste for MAKERS
[10:58:13] <_methods> and 3d printer people
[10:58:35] <_methods> they'll spend millions on stuff that already exists
[10:58:50] <_methods> just put it in a "green" package
[10:58:58] <_methods> and make an app for it
[10:59:16] <CaptHindsight> was waiting for the app
[10:59:20] <_methods> hahah
[11:01:00] <Jymmmm> Loetmichel2: Android http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-2M-Android-Endoscope-7mm-6-LED-USB-Waterproof-Borescope-Inspection-camera-/400980683624
[11:01:25] <Jymmmm> Loetmichel2: Also... http://www.gearbest.com/microscopes-endoscope/pp_235110.html
[11:01:29] <_methods> ooooh home colonoscopies
[11:01:46] <_methods> maker colonoscopy kit
[11:01:50] <Jymmmm> _methods: Just shove it up your ass buddy!
[11:01:54] <_methods> hahaha
[11:02:10] <CaptHindsight> Tom Coloniscope now in Lime green
[11:02:17] <Jymmmm> _methods: ...all 15meters worth
[11:02:52] <_methods> 2 cameras 1 butt
[11:03:08] <CaptHindsight> ahhh
[11:03:13] <_methods> hahahahha
[11:03:15] <_methods> that's wrong
[11:03:21] <Jymmmm> In .:| STERO VISION |:.
[11:03:23] <CaptHindsight> please stop
[11:03:55] <Jymmmm> CaptHindsight: NO LUBE FOR YOU! Next...
[11:05:01] <Jymmmm> _methods: Two Butts, One Camera. - Human Centipede Style
[11:06:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/EFD-NORDSON-740V-LIQUID-GLUE-LUBRICANT-DISPENSING-VALVE-187215-/301702124727 $145 used but there are Chine version new for around the same price
[11:07:06] <Jymmmm> ...and a compete setup
[11:07:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dispensing-Valve-SMT-SMD-PCB-Solder-Paste-Adhesive-Liquid-Dispenser-Nordson-PI1-/221939810349 knock-off version
[11:08:30] <Jymmmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Solder-Paste-Glue-Dropper-Liquid-Auto-Dispenser-Controller-982-US-Shipping-/191280179207
[11:09:11] <CaptHindsight> yeah ^^ only with a bit less control over the dispensing
[11:09:43] <Jymmmm> which?
[11:10:02] <CaptHindsight> Jymmmm: your link has less control
[11:10:12] <Jymmmm> ah
[11:10:56] <CaptHindsight> they use a piston in a syringe body in your link
[11:11:11] <CaptHindsight> so start and stop isn't as precise
[11:13:12] <CaptHindsight> make an open version of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1a--Qfk8VA
[11:13:30] <CaptHindsight> they want ~$7k for those
[11:15:38] <CaptHindsight> piezo actuated valve (on a cantilever), and only a single nozzle
[11:16:07] <Jymmmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxYKggceIPQ
[11:17:31] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-fcXkquXdw high speed pneumatic version
[11:18:59] <CaptHindsight> jump to 1:30 they print and UV cure
[11:21:56] <CaptHindsight> the reason you don't see all this tied together in one pcb printer is the lack of the cross licensing of the patents
[11:23:31] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: your application for the dispenser?
[11:24:48] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: an actual printed circuit board printer
[11:24:58] <Jymmm> ah
[11:53:17] <CaptHindsight> _methods: https://youtu.be/e9ijA4UBCQ0?t=3m17s MIT Engineering Competition: Ping Pong Balls
[11:58:08] <_methods> cool
[11:59:09] <_methods> nerds
[11:59:43] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to see a follow up after 30 years
[11:59:50] <CaptHindsight> where are they now
[12:01:01] <CaptHindsight> "Jerry still lives in his parents basement making the worlds finest ping pong ball collection robots"
[12:01:23] <t12> lol
[12:01:31] <t12> i think i remember seeing that video or followups to it as a kid
[12:01:42] <t12> engineering competitions like that are fun
[12:02:15] <CaptHindsight> only took another 25-30 years to end up as a TV show
[12:02:38] <t12> speaking of i wonder if they're gonna resign battlebots
[12:03:47] <CaptHindsight> the one that was on NBC or was it ABC is coming back with some changes
[12:03:53] <t12> abc
[12:03:59] <MattyMatt> they're still doing micromouse. I thought that was done to death by 1986
[12:04:04] <t12> been thinking about building something for it for a long time
[12:04:30] <t12> i used to work for the battlebots show
[12:04:37] <t12> its a huge amount of effort and $$ to build something tho
[12:04:49] <CaptHindsight> the original one on Comedy Central?
[12:04:51] <MattyMatt> maybe they changed the rules to disqualify Thumper, which was only limited by how strong the walls were
[12:05:27] <t12> and before that
[12:05:29] <t12> when they were on ppv
[12:05:37] <t12> i rebuild the entire floor
[12:05:39] <t12> rebuilt
[12:05:46] <t12> my dad built the saw and hammer weapons and the roof
[12:06:05] <CaptHindsight> t12: where was the studio?
[12:06:15] <t12> the shops on mare island
[12:06:16] <t12> or was
[12:06:18] <t12> i think it still is
[12:06:23] <t12> the rest was all onsite
[12:06:30] <t12> they did some in LA, vegas, treasure island
[12:07:11] <t12> they shot it like a live boxing match, then edited for tv later
[12:09:23] <MattyMatt> robocup is open season until they start calling fouls. atm you can trip your opponent etc
[12:10:14] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: the person or the robot?
[12:10:27] <MattyMatt> the robots can trip each other
[12:10:42] <Jymmm> whats the problem with that?
[12:11:05] <Jymmm> I saw one weapon that was awesome
[12:11:19] <Jymmm> centrifical weapon
[12:11:24] <MattyMatt> none, if you want to win a cup with a sneaky battlebot, but it's against the laws of football
[12:11:27] <Jymmm> fuck that thing was evil
[12:12:02] <Jymmm> football? as in soccer?
[12:12:29] <MattyMatt> I noticed when I was doing a soccer game on ST, football doesn't have rules it has laws
[12:14:01] <MattyMatt> a hangover from the days of 300 a side riots
[12:33:18] <maxcnc> Alexande1B: ?
[12:40:56] <maxcnc> Folks here in germany Football NFL is free to Air on sunday 2-4 games is it paytV in the USA or also free
[12:45:55] <MrSunshine_> will be interesting to see if the new ER20 collets are better than the old one
[12:46:06] <MrSunshine_> got some frekkin bad vibrations using the 6mm collet i have
[12:46:18] <MrSunshine_> and it doesnt lock in the taper like the other ones does
[12:53:41] <Roguish> MrSunshine: make sure the nut is really clean and the collet snaps into it properly.
[12:53:59] <Roguish> even a small chip can cause PIA
[12:55:26] <MrSunshine_> Roguish: cleaned it over and over and seems sometimes its vibration free but very seldom and never locks in the taper
[12:56:18] <Roguish> ok good luck. that's all i know.....
[12:56:53] <MrSunshine_> hehe =)
[12:57:16] <MrSunshine_> gonna try the new collets, the 8mm one locks in the taper, so does the hmm .. i think its 12 or if its 10mm one
[12:57:26] <MrSunshine_> its a china cheapie set i bought
[12:57:34] <MrSunshine_> got like 13 collets for like 20$ :P
[12:58:29] <MrSunshine_> not any high precision i bought now either but atleast they were $13 - 14 or so a pop
[12:59:30] <yasnak> china ones are what i use on our actual swiss machines
[13:00:15] <yasnak> I've had no problems really, only issues I've ever had is the little slotting saw's burr that they leave. just pop those off and presto, a rego at dirt cheap :P
[13:00:56] <MrSunshine_> but like i said .. seems to be one of the collets that is the big offender ... rest seem to work fine
[13:01:17] <MrSunshine_> tho i must admit i have ground the taper myself due to the fact that it had a throw of 0.1mm in the taper of the spindle on the motor when i got it
[13:02:01] <MrSunshine_> so might be a hundreths of in the taper .. making it not so good .. set up the grinding using sine bars and stuff but =)
[13:03:00] <MrSunshine_> but as some lock and some does i dont know realy =)
[13:15:14] <maxcnc> question today my wifes knitting machine broke to many musels ;-)
[13:15:33] <maxcnc> someone got a good idee on how to clue PVC
[13:16:07] <CaptHindsight> glue PVC?
[13:17:47] <maxcnc> the broken parts together cluing oh my horrabel english now ends in understanding
[13:17:52] <CaptHindsight> PVC cement
[13:18:21] <CaptHindsight> PVC cement used for plumbing connections
[13:19:17] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zirp8vqApQc Joining PVC Pipe and Fittings with Primer and Solvent Cement
[13:19:37] <maxcnc> ah i see in the usa there are most plumbing in PVC here it is copper
[13:20:59] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: where are you located?
[13:21:11] <maxcnc> germany
[13:21:29] <CaptHindsight> do they sell any solvent based glues?
[13:22:31] <CaptHindsight> Henkle makes them
[13:22:38] <CaptHindsight> Henkel
[13:23:34] <maxcnc> tangit also
[13:23:34] <Tom_itx> http://weldon.com/solvent-cements/pvc-cements/
[13:24:03] <CaptHindsight> http://en.henkel-mea.com/cps/rde/xchg/henkel_hme/hs.xsl/applications-6019.htm?countryCode=hme&BU=cons_crafts&parentredDotUID=000001F6FV,000001F912&redDotUID=000001FA90
[13:24:41] <CaptHindsight> lookin fer der pipenstickerglue
[13:25:00] <CaptHindsight> my German is a bit rusty :)
[13:25:42] <maxcnc> i see always cake boss plumbing the cakes
[13:26:57] <Tom_itx> don't want no faulty plumbed cakes
[13:27:10] <CaptHindsight> the MSDS sheets are mostly Tetrahydrofuran, Acetone and MEK
[13:27:24] <greg_> goes good in cake
[13:27:38] <Tom_itx> both nice n healty ingredients there capn
[13:28:32] <CaptHindsight> fur der piperengluen not cakenbakin
[13:28:45] <maxcnc> they chust cut and leave all the shavings in the cake maybe clue also and drill wood things soldering ....
[13:28:57] <Tom_itx> heh
[13:28:59] <maxcnc> and sell it for 2kDollars and more
[13:30:24] <greg_> what to they use for sewage pipe in buildings in germany?
[13:32:17] <maxcnc> Ht plastik with rubber seal
[13:32:57] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: do they thread together?
[13:35:48] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: in the US they use PVC like this in homes http://www.nachi.org/forum/attachments/f22/36074d1269884291-shower-drain-pipe-157910-025-small-.jpg
[13:36:05] <CaptHindsight> and the connections are glued
[13:37:14] <CaptHindsight> so you can find PVC glue anywhere
[13:38:38] <maxcnc> its in the homedepo around the corner
[13:38:41] <maxcnc> Thanks
[13:38:47] <maxcnc> Gn8
[13:40:36] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if they have to use compression fittings like these instead?
[13:40:44] <CaptHindsight> http://2.wlimg.com/product_images/bc-full/dir_82/2430265/clickfit-swr-pipes-1378793.jpg
[14:06:37] <humble_sea_bass> compression fittings are a new trend since you can have unskilled laborers piece it together
[14:07:39] <humble_sea_bass> it doesn't last as long, and the cost is higher if you actually know how to solder/sweat joints in copper
[14:07:45] <CaptHindsight> hello HSB
[14:07:57] <humble_sea_bass> PVC is the worst thing ever though. and hello
[14:08:54] <CaptHindsight> vinyls have been proven to be safe :)
[14:09:07] <CaptHindsight> just not around living things
[14:10:01] <humble_sea_bass> my main beef is that it is crazy loud
[14:10:39] <humble_sea_bass> water flowing in a pvc pipe sounds like a hundreds of pennies rolling down the pipe
[14:12:00] <CaptHindsight> thats what walls are for, to quiet down the penny sound
[14:14:30] <humble_sea_bass> NYC doesn't allow PVC drainage pipes in anything except 1-2 family homes so my OCD about pipe noise is seldom triggered here
[14:25:29] <anomynous> why not
[14:26:06] <CaptHindsight> building codes
[14:26:26] <CaptHindsight> PVC is easier to install than copper or cast iron
[14:28:02] <CaptHindsight> you won't find plastic electric conduit or romex anywhere in larger cities as well
[14:31:27] <greg_> electrons are not as loud usually
[14:32:13] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, but usuing unarmored electrical cables is a fire hazard
[14:33:08] <greg_> i know, we can't use them here
[14:34:54] <greg_> http://s214.photobucket.com/user/480sparky/media/Construction%20methods/romex1.jpg.html
[14:35:17] <humble_sea_bass> romex gore
[14:35:19] <Noxz> is the Hitachi m12vc (with precise colletts) still a great choice as the cnc tool?
[14:36:16] <humble_sea_bass> i really like that gas pipe on the left near the duct
[14:39:37] <CaptHindsight> but natural gas is a toxic highly flammable substance that pumped into homes and offices
[14:40:05] <CaptHindsight> how can that be safe?
[14:40:23] <greg_> like that dihydrogen monoxide
[14:40:36] <roycroft> air can hurt you too
[14:41:37] <greg_> it's all about risk management, my inlaws are much more dangerous so i limit my exposure
[14:42:07] <CaptHindsight> oh great, now I'll be up note just worrying about terrorists, but dihydrogen monoxide, natural gas, romex, pvc, police and school principals
[14:42:18] <CaptHindsight> note/at night
[14:42:32] <greg_> http://www.electriciantalk.com/attachments/f2/67361d1446899794t-romex-stackers-romexbundling.jpg
[14:42:56] <CaptHindsight> is nothing safe anymore?
[14:46:53] <greg_> i just read that earth's magnetic field is twice as strong as the historical average so we don't ahve to worry about pole reversal for millions of years.
[14:47:07] <CaptHindsight> whew, that was close
[14:47:36] <_methods> oh thank god
[14:47:46] <_methods> all my magnets would have to be flipped
[14:48:07] <greg_> they said somethign about migrating animals going the wrong way
[14:48:15] <CaptHindsight> when that does happen does the earth flip over or just the magnetic poles?
[14:49:15] <greg_> dunno, but flipping over and flinging humanity off like a wet dog doens't seem like such a bad thing sometimes.
[14:50:27] <CaptHindsight> sounds like someone didn't get their daily does of Adele :)
[14:50:40] <_methods> hahah
[14:51:17] <greg_> it's been a rough week or two
[14:51:25] <CaptHindsight> it has the opposite effect on me
[14:53:32] <CaptHindsight> anyone know how crappy the HF reflective tachometer is?
[14:54:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-photo-sensor-tachometer-66632.html
[14:54:45] <Computer_barf> i wonder if there is a an easy way to tell the diffrence between nickel plate and chrome plate
[14:55:07] <cradek> they are different colors
[14:57:09] <Computer_barf> http://www.kleinpickups.com/images/4%20Covers%20Picture.jpg
[14:57:16] <Computer_barf> but damn they are so clode
[14:57:17] <CaptHindsight> nickel is often plated before chrome
[14:57:17] <Computer_barf> close
[14:57:46] <cradek> if you have them side by side it's easy to tell which is which, but if you only have one ...
[14:58:31] <Computer_barf> yeah i need to get me some samples
[15:00:33] <cradek> to me nickel looks more like silver (red/yellow), chrome looks more like stainless (blue)
[15:01:18] <CaptHindsight> was just going to ask if it looks that way
[15:01:41] <cradek> here are some really good photos: http://blog.philadelphialuthiertools.com/2013/06/17/differences-between-nickel-and-chrome-plating-for-guitar-hardware/
[15:03:39] * anomynous wonders if theres some kind of chemical polishing process for steel and same putique would nickel or chrome plate stuff
[15:03:40] <anomynous> ;D
[15:03:47] <Computer_barf> well this is going to sound insane but , I've been looking for some scrap sources I can find for getting nickel. I want to build some edison batteries.
[15:04:52] <Computer_barf> making iron oxide is pretty easy via electrolysis , and I have plenty of scrap plate I can cut the battery plates with
[15:05:28] <Computer_barf> so im looking for nickel sources so I can nickel plate the plates, and also make nickel 2 chloride
[15:06:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/390952855826?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
[15:06:12] <Computer_barf> nickel iron batteries, having fallen out of commercial use, are insanely expensive to purchase
[15:06:32] <Computer_barf> oh yeah i know of course i can buy pure nickel plates
[15:06:57] <CaptHindsight> who knows what you might be getting as scrap
[15:07:21] <Computer_barf> i find it an interesting challenge though to consider the electrochemistry of purifying the nickel myself
[15:07:44] <Computer_barf> i already have some nickel plates in my electrochemistry collection
[15:08:32] <CaptHindsight> how far back do you want to go? http://www.surigao-city.de/pictures/nickel_ore.jpg
[15:08:46] <Computer_barf> lol
[15:09:41] <Magnifikus> yay ZYNQ driving my stepper :)
[15:09:47] <Computer_barf> im not above mining and refining some things, but scrap is a readily available source of stuff for me
[15:10:09] <CaptHindsight> Magnifikus: are you using the ARM cores inside?
[15:10:18] <Magnifikus> yes for control
[15:10:21] <Computer_barf> I've already done copper plating from bars I melted from scrap tvs
[15:10:29] <Magnifikus> but i generate the steps in the fpga
[15:10:37] <Magnifikus> and the SPI to the driver is also done in fpga
[15:10:51] <Magnifikus> i can watch 7 registers in upto 8 daisy chained drivers
[15:10:58] <Magnifikus> with 1ms update rate
[15:11:18] <Magnifikus> (using the TMC5130A stepper drivers)
[15:11:36] <Magnifikus> just plain memory mapped c code atm but its working
[15:11:46] <CaptHindsight> Magnifikus: I though I saw a report on the ZYNQ irq's being really slow
[15:12:07] <Magnifikus> eh i dont use irq's
[15:12:29] <CaptHindsight> ARM --> SPI --> gates for stepgen
[15:12:33] <Magnifikus> nah
[15:12:43] <Magnifikus> arm -> memory registers -> stepgen
[15:12:51] <CaptHindsight> ah ok
[15:12:56] <Magnifikus> arm -> memory <- spi monitors
[15:13:01] <Magnifikus> the spi is 100% fpga
[15:13:23] <Magnifikus> next is transfer this into a spartan 3
[15:13:36] <Magnifikus> and control the stuff over spi like picnc2
[15:13:39] <PetefromTn_> LOL Magnifikus.... classic
[15:13:47] <CaptHindsight> I have a few Zedboards but I never ended up using them
[15:13:57] <Magnifikus> if you want to donate em ^^
[15:14:02] <Magnifikus> i dont do spartan3
[15:14:25] <Magnifikus> running an enclustra zynq board that is abit too expensive for a controller @600€
[15:14:45] <Magnifikus> but i want to make a snickerdoodle baseboard
[15:14:58] <CaptHindsight> I was going to use them to control printheads
[15:15:00] <Magnifikus> https://www.crowdsupply.com/krtkl/snickerdoodle
[15:15:18] <Magnifikus> and run linuxcnc on the zynq later
[15:15:40] <Magnifikus> meanwhile a spartan3 to replace my picnc
[15:16:03] <Magnifikus> also thinking about putting the stepgen into the fpga also
[15:16:13] <Magnifikus> so HAL only needs to send and get position
[15:16:14] <CaptHindsight> the prices for ZYNQ must have really come down
[15:16:25] <Magnifikus> digikey is 50€ the chip
[15:16:34] <Magnifikus> but im sure they got a cheaper source
[15:16:38] <Magnifikus> like 30$
[15:16:49] <CaptHindsight> $55 for the whole board
[15:16:58] <Magnifikus> so even lower
[15:17:15] <Magnifikus> its a unique chance for xilinx right now
[15:17:40] <Magnifikus> but on linuxcnc
[15:17:46] <CaptHindsight> did Altera lower their ARM+fpga prices?
[15:17:51] <Magnifikus> dunno
[15:18:07] <Magnifikus> the position-cmd gives target position to be in next cycle am i right?
[15:18:07] <CaptHindsight> my zedboards were >$200
[15:18:41] <Magnifikus> cause i dont rly understand how it halts an axis that way, i would overshoot always
[15:19:40] <Magnifikus> http://www.enclustra.com/en/products/system-on-chip-modules/mercury-zx5/ << that thingy i got in the lab to play :D
[15:19:46] <Magnifikus> software defined radar
[15:20:03] <CaptHindsight> Magnifikus: take the digikey price and cut it in half
[15:20:24] <Magnifikus> yeah
[15:20:31] <Magnifikus> for snicker im sure they partnered with xilinx
[15:21:04] <Magnifikus> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/magnifikus/TMC5130FPGA/master/doc/BD%20Test.png thats the current design
[15:21:09] <Magnifikus> only one stepgen
[15:22:15] <Magnifikus> not sure if i implement dcStep also, maybe guess just stall detection will do it
[16:15:30] <XXCoder> check this out http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1392&doc_id=267732
[16:26:46] <Deejay> gn8
[16:31:45] <greg_> Just replaced 400V, 4.7uF caps in 5 LED drivers in 5 GU10 bulbs. The 6th one which has never flickered already had a Rubycon cap in it. The rest were Chang.
[16:47:47] <Magnifikus> thats a bad environment for caps, always hot
[18:11:49] <jthornton> windoze explorer "Do you want to move or copy the files? Yes No"
[18:29:01] <Tom_itx> maybe?
[18:33:11] <andypugh> Cutting a gear quadrant is annoying, you spend 75% of the time cutting air. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/n12qECTl-i6jz2xzgGuXWtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:34:58] <Tom_itx> doesn't look anything like a ner a car
[19:29:55] <Jymmm> Has anyone seen any tools (axe, maul, etc) that has a logo of a picture of a face inside a triangle?
[19:31:36] <Technicus> Hello :)
[19:32:38] <Technicus> Is LinuxCNC able to run an epilogue laser mini?
[19:33:12] <Jymmm> did the control board burn out?
[19:38:56] <andypugh> Technicus: Probably. But it depends on what you want to do.
[19:55:18] <Jymmm> WTH?! a replacement maul handle is almost as much as a brand new one
[19:58:52] <Tom_itx> so buy 2 brand new ones from china
[19:59:08] <Jymmm> sure, link?
[21:07:39] <CaptHindsight> lithium battery died in a AB PLC and now it FactoryTalk is no longer authorized on it
[21:07:54] <CaptHindsight> yah just gotta love these PLC vendors
[21:17:22] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that's fucked, sorry to hear it
[21:33:49] <zeeshan> good morning
[21:36:58] <Jymmm> 2015-11-25.19:09:35 zeeshan: good morning
[21:37:20] <Jymmm> 3am utc
[22:13:23] <zeeshan> serious milllingg action!
[22:14:22] <PetefromTn_> I call BS ;)
[22:23:27] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/f7MIWrU.jpg
[22:23:32] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/PqsgDC8.jpg
[22:23:43] <zeeshan> i dunno how the heck i wouilda done that without the horizontal
[22:23:53] <zeeshan> the bottom hole has a position tolerance of +.000 -.001
[22:25:28] <PetefromTn_> heh I am sure it does but that part certaily does not LOOK like something that would need that sort of accuracy
[22:26:12] <zeeshan> i dunno why it does
[22:26:15] <zeeshan> the drawing calls out for it
[22:26:30] <zeeshan> its definitely some sort of locating hole
[22:26:36] <zeeshan> for a dowel or something
[22:26:44] <zeeshan> cause i machined another part where this sits on there
[22:26:49] <PetefromTn_> that sure is a funky looking vise ;)
[22:26:52] <zeeshan> cause it has the same tolerance and bolt pattern
[22:27:03] <zeeshan> i need a spacer block for my vise
[22:27:16] <zeeshan> cause the tool doesnt come low enough
[22:30:06] <PetefromTn_> mmmmmMMMmmmmmm Dacia is making her World Famous Cheesecake as we speak ;)
[22:30:25] <tiwake> today instead of making parts I had fun pulling a bearing from my car and replacing it
[22:31:34] <tiwake> ended up having to make a puller
[22:32:02] <tiwake> that puller is only good for that one thing... lol
[22:32:04] <PetefromTn_> which bearing and which car?
[22:32:07] <tiwake> but it worked really well
[22:32:17] <tiwake> 1996 dodge stratus
[22:32:25] <tiwake> front wheel bearing
[22:32:40] <tiwake> (they are the same on both sides)
[22:32:49] <PetefromTn_> huh most wheel bearings you don't need a puller for
[22:32:59] <tiwake> its a bearing assembly
[22:33:27] <tiwake> which includes the spline that the front wheel drive shaft goes into
[22:33:47] <tiwake> its not supposed to press in
[22:33:58] <tiwake> but it was rust-welded in
[22:34:04] <tiwake> bah
[22:34:08] <PetefromTn_> aw hell
[22:34:17] <tiwake> yeah
[22:34:24] <tiwake> I thought it was a press in thing
[22:34:37] <tiwake> put the new one in and it just kinda dropped in
[22:35:23] <tiwake> by the end of it, was dark outside
[22:35:31] <tiwake> started at like 2pm or something
[22:35:32] <tiwake> lol
[22:36:03] <PetefromTn_> http://contentinfo.autozone.com/znetcs/product-info/en/US/tim/DL513157/image/3/
[22:36:14] <tiwake> similar to that yeah
[22:36:26] <tiwake> had only three bolts holding the whole thing in
[22:36:48] <PetefromTn_> looks like an R and R part
[22:39:05] <tiwake> didnt have a torch
[22:39:14] <tiwake> a torch would have been my first goto
[22:39:45] <tiwake> I need to get a new set of tires and have an alignment
[22:41:57] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you just need a taller drillpress
[22:44:37] <PetefromTn_> heh
[22:45:13] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: to use the puller I made, have to cut off the hub from the bearings... or pull it out (its not supposed to separate like that though)
[22:45:27] <tiwake> I was beating on it and it just kinda fell out though
[22:45:32] <tiwake> so whatever, I'll take it
[22:45:38] <tiwake> progress, right?
[22:45:40] <tiwake> lol
[22:45:41] <PetefromTn_> hey man whatever works
[22:46:10] <PetefromTn_> but it looks like it was designed to be replaced in its entirety and just unbolts if it is anything like that photo.
[22:46:22] <tiwake> yeah
[22:46:47] <PetefromTn_> a nice way to get MORE money from your wallet ;)
[22:47:08] <tiwake> well
[22:47:18] <tiwake> it probably was stock, at least I'm guessing
[22:47:36] <tiwake> so it ran on 260k miles
[22:48:12] <PetefromTn_> Woah thats incredible....you got a Dodge to run 260 miles LOL Just kidding...
[22:48:41] <tiwake> it could have been changed out before me, donno
[22:48:50] <tiwake> I put ~60k miles on it when I got it
[22:48:56] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ have you heard the new ford PU's come with a heated tailgate now?
[22:49:52] <PetefromTn_> what in gods name would you need a heated tailgate for?
[22:49:56] <Tom_itx> so you don't freeze your hands pushing it home
[22:50:05] <PetefromTn_> Ar ar ar
[22:50:21] <tiwake> Tom_itx: sounds like it belongs right next to the muffler bearing
[22:50:30] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:50:54] <Tom_itx> that's about all i got tonight :D
[22:51:08] <PetefromTn_> my wife wants me to get another 4x4 for all the snow we get here LOL
[22:51:45] <PetefromTn_> It usually snows like 2 days a year here
[22:51:48] <PetefromTn_> maybe 3
[22:52:09] <PetefromTn_> but hey if it means getting another 4x4 toy to play with I am good...;)
[22:52:13] <Tom_itx> patterns are chaning though... you'd better prepare yourself now
[22:52:26] <Tom_itx> changing*
[22:52:33] <CaptHindsight> we had 12+ inches last weekend
[22:52:37] <PetefromTn_> patterns?
[22:52:42] <Tom_itx> weather
[22:52:58] <CaptHindsight> 50's right now
[22:53:05] <PetefromTn_> oh so you mean the last fifteen years we lived here were all just a fluke then hehe
[22:53:11] <Tom_itx> was nice here today except for the wind
[22:53:45] <Tom_itx> they had some good weather down that way last year
[22:53:59] <Tom_itx> atlanta was the laugh around here
[22:54:10] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: did you get any snow last weekend?
[22:54:19] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: I think what I'm going to do when I get some money and a place to do it at, is build a car from a ford mustang frame
[22:54:26] <Tom_itx> if i did, i didn't notice any except in the shaded part on the fence
[22:54:41] <PetefromTn_> tiwake cool
[22:54:50] <tiwake> cause screw working on old junk
[22:54:51] <tiwake> lol
[22:54:52] <Tom_itx> ground is still too warm for it to stick very long
[22:54:56] <tiwake> and screw new junk
[22:54:59] <PetefromTn_> its funny Atlanta often gets MORE snow then we do here
[22:55:08] <Tom_itx> they got 20" north of here a ways
[22:55:39] <Tom_itx> Co Ks border area
[23:09:56] <CaptHindsight> I had both muffler bearings go out on a trip last year
[23:19:51] <PetefromTn_> damn muffler bearings always going out on you at the worst possible times hehe
[23:26:14] <Tom_itx> startin to smell good around here
[23:26:27] <PetefromTn_> here too :D
[23:26:45] <CaptHindsight> check your conniption fittings before each trip :)
[23:27:08] <Tom_itx> i lost my round tuit so i can't
[23:28:05] <PetefromTn_> heh
[23:28:20] <PetefromTn_> just got a guy asking me if I was interested in making some CNC parts for hinm
[23:28:34] <Tom_itx> of course you are
[23:28:36] <PetefromTn_> he tells me he has been designing the part for over 3 months
[23:28:51] <PetefromTn_> and wants to make a run of the parts to sell
[23:29:03] <PetefromTn_> so I am like hell yeah man I'm your guy
[23:29:04] <CaptHindsight> metric hammafour?
[23:29:16] <PetefromTn_> so he sends me some screen shots over
[23:29:25] <PetefromTn_> its a fancy golf putter
[23:29:38] <PetefromTn_> 3d profiles, engraving
[23:29:40] <PetefromTn_> etc etc.
[23:29:45] <Tom_itx> oh i remember you asking about that
[23:29:45] <CaptHindsight> do you need 4-5 axis?
[23:30:04] <PetefromTn_> so I tell him let me look over it and get back to him with a price after the holiday
[23:30:13] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight probably not
[23:30:23] <PetefromTn_> anyways
[23:30:28] <PetefromTn_> he texts me today
[23:30:37] <PetefromTn_> and asks how the quote is coming
[23:30:48] <PetefromTn_> I told him I was out Christmas shopping with my family
[23:31:17] <PetefromTn_> so he text me that he has a guy in Ohio that said he will make him a run of 20 of them for $750
[23:31:25] <PetefromTn_> I laughed my ass off
[23:31:28] <CaptHindsight> my only replies today were gobble and gobble
[23:31:32] <CaptHindsight> heh
[23:32:11] <PetefromTn_> I told him WOW that is a Fantastic price man and there is NO way I could compete with that and he better hurry up and order em LOL
[23:32:29] <PetefromTn_> then like 20 minutes go by
[23:32:34] <CaptHindsight> $750 + materials + $100 ea
[23:32:50] <Tom_itx> what do you get for models?
[23:32:57] <PetefromTn_> and he texts me back saying that he was not sure that guy was a capable machinist or not
[23:32:58] <Tom_itx> prints or 3d models?
[23:33:13] <Tom_itx> you still gotta put tools on the model etc
[23:33:18] <Tom_itx> build fixtures
[23:33:19] <PetefromTn_> this was just a couple screen shots of the model
[23:34:07] <Tom_itx> i can see 3 ops on a 3axis at least
[23:34:34] <PetefromTn_> there is no way I would even look at it for that much... I can beat most shops around here due to no real overhead but I think the guy was full of it and just wanted to see how I reacted to a fake low ball offer
[23:34:34] <Tom_itx> what material?
[23:34:45] <PetefromTn_> he said stainless
[23:34:48] <CaptHindsight> I try not to laugh when they say they are going to order a ton of something but only need a little right now and then go silent when I say I'm happy to schedule the order over the next year
[23:35:25] <Tom_itx> he providing the material?
[23:35:51] <PetefromTn_> nope
[23:36:07] <Tom_itx> so you have to cut it to size first too then
[23:36:11] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight man I get that sort of thing almost daily it is amusing/annoying
[23:36:40] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx there is no way ANYONE could make that part for that much unless you were ordering them in the thousands from china
[23:37:13] <PetefromTn_> and if they could they can have it LOL
[23:37:38] <Tom_itx> i agree
[23:38:16] <Tom_itx> you'll have a few hours in machine time alone per part
[23:38:28] <PetefromTn_> right now between the parts I designed and make/sell and the stuff I am doing for the race shop I am pretty busy. I also have another four products I am working on both for customers as well as myself
[23:38:33] <PetefromTn_> sure would
[23:39:03] <Tom_itx> add a fudge factor for dialing in the cutters so you don't work harden it
[23:39:28] <PetefromTn_> I am thinking that would be at least three hours per part and like you said probably three different setups
[23:40:37] <PetefromTn_> its just another guy who thinks machined precision parts are super cheap or should be and wants to make money for just drawing a part and selling it. I have been approached by quite a few guys like this.
[23:41:07] <PetefromTn_> If I had money I would bet that the "GUY" who said he would do 20 for $750 bucks is a figment of his imagination.
[23:41:23] <CaptHindsight> oh yeah, cnc machines do that, you just feed metal in one side and wait for them to pop out
[23:41:33] <PetefromTn_> hehe exactly
[23:41:38] <PetefromTn_> piece of crumb cake
[23:41:52] <PetefromTn_> hell I hear they even design the part for you
[23:42:12] <Tom_itx> how long has it taken him to design it?
[23:42:24] <CaptHindsight> hehe, from what a lot of products look like you might be right
[23:42:27] <PetefromTn_> he said he was working on the drawing for like 3 months
[23:42:42] <Tom_itx> he must like working for free
[23:42:51] <CaptHindsight> so $100k in design time so far
[23:43:25] <PetefromTn_> whats wierd is I sent him a link to my facebook business page and almost immediately I got a page like from a girl I do not know
[23:43:57] <PetefromTn_> might be his wife/girlfriend I dunno
[23:45:25] <CaptHindsight> just quote them what it's worth to you and don't worry about it
[23:45:37] <PetefromTn_> Oh I fully plan to
[23:45:49] <PetefromTn_> I just got a chuckle out of it
[23:45:57] <CaptHindsight> all the cheapskates end up just wasting your time
[23:46:00] <PetefromTn_> and figured you guys would enjoy it
[23:46:01] <Tom_itx> he still has to put a handle on it etc
[23:46:08] <Tom_itx> i doubt he makes much profit on them
[23:46:33] <Tom_itx> unless he can convince you to work for free
[23:46:41] <PetefromTn_> I have NO idea what a quality putter costs but I would not be surprised if it was stupid expensive from what little I know of golf
[23:47:54] <PetefromTn_> http://www.tgw.com/titleist-2012-scotty-cameron-select-newport-2-putter?SITE_ID=A2004&CID=PLA&gclid=Cj0KEQiA1dWyBRDqiJye6LjkhfIBEiQAw06ITln-0GsGx4bCrcnLBrD0tfNQ-JOPbuu-TGaRsPjWrYYaAnDZ8P8HAQ
[23:47:59] <PetefromTn_> quick search
[23:48:11] <CaptHindsight> people design parts all the time that are difficult to manufacture since they don't understand how machines work
[23:48:21] <PetefromTn_> LOL wait a minute
[23:48:22] <CaptHindsight> same for printed circuit boards
[23:48:38] <PetefromTn_> the picture he sent me said Cameron on it just like that one
[23:48:57] <PetefromTn_> it even had the textured front like that
[23:49:02] <PetefromTn_> he wanted to know if I could do that too
[23:49:16] <CaptHindsight> heh, sounds like he's just fishing
[23:49:34] <Tom_itx> that's an extrusion
[23:49:40] <Tom_itx> milled
[23:50:18] <PetefromTn_> http://www.tgw.com/golf-clubs/putters/bettinardi-signature-series--8-putters
[23:50:24] <PetefromTn_> I think you are correct tom
[23:50:43] <Tom_itx> maybe
[23:50:54] <Tom_itx> dunno about the handle
[23:50:57] <PetefromTn_> the photo he sent looked a lot like that one only was not as curved on the bottom
[23:51:55] <PetefromTn_> either way I seriously doubt I will be making them because he sounds like he is wanting then uber cheap and I am unable to comply
[23:52:12] <Tom_itx> https://grabcad.com/library/putter-1
[23:52:47] <Tom_itx> https://grabcad.com/library/putter-2
[23:54:44] <Tom_itx> tell him you have 2 designs of your own
[23:54:45] <CaptHindsight> sand cast
[23:55:03] <Tom_itx> yeah that could be
[23:55:18] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qgmdUPnb14
[23:56:48] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwQ00xkZZEI
[23:58:07] <CaptHindsight> even if it was only 1 hour per part it's not worth it
[23:58:50] <PetefromTn_> nope
[23:58:53] <CaptHindsight> "Double Aged Stainless Steel"
[23:58:54] <PetefromTn_> its not
[23:59:24] <CaptHindsight> aged waiting to find a shop and making the design work
[23:59:35] <Tom_itx> hah
[23:59:42] <CaptHindsight> oh and a 3rd time on the shelf
[23:59:43] <PetefromTn_> your'e looking at like I said probably 3 hours for a non-full scale production run