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[00:21:33] <trentster> jdh: what config options are you using for your spindle setup, rpm, hz etc?
[02:07:13] <Deejay> moin
[04:04:25] <aventtini6> helllo
[05:08:44] <jthornton> morning
[05:09:17] <Deejay> morning jthornton
[05:15:22] <jthornton> yuck 24°F this morning
[05:16:00] <jthornton> got my splitter files uploaded
http://gnipsel.com/files/Wood%20Splitter/
[05:28:34] <XXCoder> have a ice day!
[05:36:42] <XXCoder> jthornton: better 24f outside than 45f inside
[05:42:50] <trentster> archivist: you around by any chance?
[05:42:57] <archivist> hoooomeeee
[05:43:07] <trentster> yay :-)
[05:43:16] * archivist runs
[05:43:28] <trentster> hehe *does not blame you
[05:44:00] <trentster> I will try and not drain you too much ;-)
[05:44:37] <archivist> you are stopping me from doing a job I dont want to do
[05:45:06] <trentster> Busy adding new 2.2kw spindle to my machine - its the Huanyang + VFD
[05:45:32] <trentster> Got it working nicely manually, now its time to connect to breakout board for control.
[05:47:00] <trentster> Am I correct in assuming that you only need an additional board if you plan on using pwm and need to convert signal to analog voltage, but with the brak out board we are using it has a 0-10V output included for spindle control already.
[05:47:16] <trentster> So does this mean its simply a matter of conencting it up directly to the vfd?
[05:47:48] <archivist> yes it already converts pwm to 0-10
[05:48:08] <trentster> Cool, what about fwd and reverse?
[05:48:42] <technoid> weechat
[05:50:06] <archivist> use another available pin for direction if spare
[05:50:34] <archivist> I ran out of pins grrrrrr
[05:51:54] <trentster> archivist: so with your vfd how many wires do you have/need running from break out board to VFD. 2 for 0-10V and 1 for direction? 3 total
[05:52:40] <archivist> I dont have direction
[05:52:42] <trentster> Also for coolant I presume its logical to use the relay on the VFD itself to turn the coolant pump on for the spindle? correct
[05:52:57] <technoid> damn i never realised that a parport only has 17 pins
[05:53:10] <archivist> use two ports
[05:54:05] <technoid> well im not in the situation yet, i just googled it wondering how many woud be available for my copy machine parts project
[05:55:23] <technoid> it seems really strange that there isn't a standard to have something with more gpio on all pcs
[05:56:14] <archivist> it was left up to third parties to provide plug in IO cards
[06:01:58] <trentster> archivist: Thanks for your help
[06:03:56] <archivist> does that mean I have to go and replace a window now!
[06:04:30] <XXCoder> add more parallel ports
[06:04:57] <archivist> actually cataloguing old slides
[06:05:05] <trentster> well you could answer my last question if you like :P
[06:05:57] <technoid> like with a pci slot?
[06:06:04] <trentster> and tell me what the correct settings in linuxcnc are for a spindle that is rated for 8k-24k rpm
[06:06:26] <trentster> If you are in the spoon feeding mood
[06:08:51] <archivist> I only have plastic spoons
[06:09:16] <jthornton> lol
[06:09:53] <technoid> plastic spoons are ok for yogurt but not for hard ice cream
[06:10:06] <technoid> usually they work out though
[06:10:15] <technoid> plastic forks and knives are a whole diffrent thing
[06:10:53] <technoid> i find that plastic spoons are used up first, forks second, and knives just pile up.
[06:12:05] <technoid> the only reasonable thing to do is to gather up all the plastic knives and regrind them and injection mould yourself more spoons.
[06:13:44] <trentster> lol
[06:19:32] <technoid> OR
[06:19:52] <technoid> you could build a pyrolysis unit to break down the plastics into hydrocarbons
[06:20:02] <technoid> then feed those into a burner
[06:20:16] <technoid> and melt down some metal
[06:20:33] <technoid> and pour yourself a block of meta
[06:20:36] <technoid> metal
[06:20:48] <technoid> and then mill that down into a spoon
[06:21:14] <technoid> maybe nickel plate it
[06:22:22] <trentster> I dare say you may be overthinking this - and you still have not gotten to the feeding part.
[06:22:48] <trentster> is step 24 - build a robotic arm to manipulate the spoon
[06:22:57] <technoid> well i think if its still cooling it will cut into the ice cream easily
[07:00:51] <renesis> why are we fabbing spoons
[07:00:52] <renesis> no
[07:03:10] * Jymmm wants to fork on the table!
[07:03:57] <Jymmm> ReadError: May the spork be with you
[07:04:19] <Jymmm> renesis: May the spork be with you as well
[07:04:41] <renesis> metal spork needs to be a thing
[07:05:12] <XXCoder> renesis: already done
[07:05:18] <XXCoder> titanium spork
[07:05:18] <Jymmm> http://www.rei.com/product/660002/snow-peak-titanium-spork
[07:05:58] <renesis> nice
[07:06:32] <XXCoder> think geek ran out of that
[07:07:46] <renesis> http://www.rei.com/product/883964/light-my-fire-titanium-spork
[07:08:01] <renesis> check that out, its even got a little knife
[07:18:50] <gonzo_> isn't spoon making something you do around the camp fire?
[07:19:40] <Jymmm> That's smores, not spoons
[08:37:56] <_methods> SPOOOOONNNNNNN!!!!!!
[08:43:31] <jthornton> wow I just made a deb of my program and it installed! and worked!
[08:44:50] <_methods> right on
[08:45:35] <_methods> just finished getting the majority of the groceries for thanksgiving before the insanity starts
[08:46:12] <jthornton> not sure what we will do on tg day
[08:46:46] <_methods> family all comes over here so we take off this week
[08:48:05] <Alexande1B> hi
[08:48:10] <_methods> time to go get some breakfast now though
[08:50:23] <_methods> pumpkin spice dunkin donuts coffee is pretty damn good
[08:50:32] <_methods> especially with a shot of baileys in there lol
[08:52:48] <jthornton> nice
[08:53:24] <jthornton> dunno how much work I'll get done on the shop today it's up to 30°F now
[08:53:31] <_methods> ouch
[08:53:52] <jthornton> yea, and none of the door seals for the shop/garage are in place atm
[08:53:58] <_methods> i din't know you lived in the arctic circle lol
[08:54:06] <jthornton> adding OSB to inside walls so I can wrap the doors
[08:54:24] <jthornton> I used to live in the arctic lol
[08:54:38] <_methods> heheh
[08:54:44] <jthornton> born on the Aleutian Islands
[08:54:56] <_methods> yeah i lived on adak
[08:55:04] <_methods> 3 years with no trees lol
[08:55:13] <jthornton> and plenty of snow
[08:55:15] <_methods> caribou and tundra
[08:55:30] <_methods> you lived on kodiak?
[08:55:38] <_methods> or was that pete
[08:55:49] <jthornton> yea for a bit then anchorage
[08:56:11] <jthornton> nunaka valley then rabbit creek
[08:56:19] <_methods> hahah i'll never forget getting off the plane in anchorage and smelling trees again
[08:56:35] <_methods> all the anchorage people are like you guys must have just come from adak
[08:57:37] <_methods> them damn willywa's
[09:00:04] <Alexande1B> I have a xhc-hb04 handwheel and linuxcnc 2.7.2, and none of the buttons work except for reset, home, axis selection and the wheel
[09:00:11] <Alexande1B> How can I debug it?
[09:00:58] <_methods> what is that hal thing that shows you the status of all inputs
[09:01:35] <_methods> hal configuration window
[09:02:21] <_methods> in axis under machine i believe
[09:02:58] <_methods> you should be able to see the status of inputs and outputs
[09:15:00] <Alexande1B> hm, I had a look at the xhc-hb04.hal file and it seems the buttons I want to use (=1/2, =0, Safe-Z, Step) are not configured
[09:16:05] <Alexande1B> I got the hal file from the wiki:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
[09:16:24] <JT-Shop> show hal configuration from the machine menu
[09:16:24] <Alexande1B> it says the driver and sample configuration files are included in >= 2.6.0
[09:16:37] <Alexande1B> but where is the sample configuration file?
[09:20:26] <JT-Shop> in sample configurations I'd assume
[09:20:57] <JT-Shop> yep there it is
[09:21:10] <JT-Shop> apps/xhc-hb04
[09:26:46] <Alexande1B> I ran the xhc-hb04-layout2.demo file from a terminal and it shows me a window where every event is displayed correctly
[09:26:57] <dgarr> Alexande1B: configs/sim/axis/xhc-hb04 has the sample configs, read the readme and the txt files
[09:27:10] <dgarr> bbl
[09:28:08] <Alexande1B> Does it matter that I have the version with cable, not the wireless one=?
[09:34:12] <Tom_itx> 29°F
[09:35:15] <Tom_itx> probably colder than that when you got up
[09:37:48] <JT-Shop> yea, 24°F this morning
[09:38:06] <JT-Shop> it's wood burning time for sure
[10:02:57] <Loetmichel2> boah am i pissed. Have hanged in exess of 1200 led lights (christmas lights) on the 2 balconys here. sat down to get my hands defrosted. 60 secons and wife is yelling "WE ARE NOT DONE HERE; THAT WAS NOT EVEN A START NOW! GET BACK HERE!!!!!1111"... right. she isnt doing the work. convenient to be on crutches so you can command your husband around in the cold :-(
[10:08:04] <PetefromTn_> meh you love it an you know it ;)
[10:10:25] <Loetmichel2> PetefromTn_: i coud do without the whole chistmas thing.
[10:10:37] <Loetmichel2> ESPECIALLY the whole commercial fuss about it
[10:10:47] <Tom_itx> leave em up all year
[10:11:12] <Tom_itx> you gotta put em up in the cold and take em down in the cold. never made any sense to me
[10:11:23] <Tom_itx> and ice & snow added in there
[10:12:23] <PetefromTn_> Loetmichel2 sorry to hear that man then why the hell are you hanging lights?
[10:13:20] <Tom_itx> it makes her happy?
[10:13:27] <Loetmichel2> because wife whishes the house to look "pretty" over the holydays...
[10:14:11] <Loetmichel2> and because she has a bad hip and cant stand or walk without crutches she decided to boss me around to do the work
[10:16:22] <PetefromTn_> for myself I would put up lights and decorations even if my wife hated it but thankfully she loves it. But we don't go crazy with it either. Most of our decorations are actually inside anyways
[10:24:57] <Loetmichel2> ok, talked my wife into doing the rest of the "decoration" next saturday. it will be switched on the first time later that evening anyways. so back to my coffe and some Elite dangerous instead of hanging lights out in the cold ;)
[11:53:00] <Alexande1B> So, the README for the xhc-hb04 handwheel says "e) include stanzas....." but I can't seem to figure out how to include them in my .ini file
[11:59:48] <Alexande1B> I tried "#INCLUDE LIB:layout2.inc" but it still says "Missing stanza: [XHC_HB04_BUTTONS]"
[12:01:44] <Alexande1B> The debug information shows "CANNOT READ LIB:layout2.inc"
[12:01:50] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html#_include_files
[12:04:51] <Alexande1B> Now I use the absolute path name and I get a new error "Pin 'motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs' was already linked to signal 'spindle-cmd-rps-abs'
[12:14:50] <maxcnc> hi all from snowy and ice cold germany
[12:16:20] <maxcnc> hi Alexande1B i got alot xhbc
[12:17:19] <maxcnc> Alexande1B: did you include the lib in the mashine folder
[12:20:13] <maxcnc> if you alredy linked the signal so use the signal output to the xhbc input
[12:21:11] <maxcnc> you can alo have mixed MPGwheel and buttom press activity as you may like to drive for lng distances
[12:21:43] <maxcnc> also i got the icons to work in the xhc hb04
[13:00:06] <maxcnc> Alexande1B: stimm n
[13:00:16] <maxcnc> Still on ;-)
[13:08:04] <maxcnc> pcw_home: how is it on your side after the illness or still in
[13:08:59] <ReadError> maxcnc, are you the guy that moved to the forest for a year?
[13:09:22] <maxcnc> no this is lothar the founder of the shop
[13:09:44] <maxcnc> im max the owner of his mashines
[13:10:00] <maxcnc> he is still in the forest for 2more years
[13:10:08] <ReadError> oh ;p
[13:10:33] <maxcnc> there has been a open for public day to the project
[13:10:55] <maxcnc> amasing how they do from nothing to small living
[13:12:16] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[13:12:21] <zeeshan-mill> are we talkig about ich?
[13:12:25] <ReadError> ya
[13:12:27] <maxcnc> yes
[13:12:28] <zeeshan-mill> hehe
[13:12:54] <greg> like that guy on live free or die?
[13:13:12] <maxcnc> he will be not amoused about me as he said never ever change a runing mashine
[13:13:35] <zeeshan-mill> anyone know why 2.7.2 is not showing up in synaptic pkg manager?
[13:13:43] <maxcnc> i did update the 5i25 7i76 and now i got a realy buggy mashine
[13:13:54] <zeeshan-mill> nm
[13:13:56] <zeeshan-mill> had to relad
[13:14:20] <Alexande1B> maxcnc: I'm still online
[13:14:24] <maxcnc> dont forget to update apt
[13:14:37] <zeeshan-mill> yes noob error
[13:14:38] <zeeshan-mill> :D
[13:14:44] <maxcnc> Alexande1B: hi got about 10 of your xhb
[13:14:51] <maxcnc> xhc ;-)
[13:15:10] <maxcnc> modifid the component to get lots of niche featuers
[13:15:15] <maxcnc> more safty
[13:15:16] <Alexande1B> I just had dinner, now I'm trying to adjust the example configuration
[13:15:20] <maxcnc> the icons to use
[13:16:07] <maxcnc> my step has 6 functons to output first 3 increments to the wheel
[13:16:34] <maxcnc> and then the buttons M6 M7 show the plus and minus jog on 3 big movements
[13:17:11] <maxcnc> Alexande1B: are you english
[13:17:19] <Alexande1B> I'm German
[13:17:37] <maxcnc> Das ist schön
[13:17:41] <maxcnc> wait
[13:21:03] <zeeshan-mill> das auto
[13:21:12] <zeeshan-mill> spannung
[13:21:57] <maxcnc> Alexande1B:
http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/hbc.zip
[13:22:11] <maxcnc> there is a test mashine inide
[13:22:34] <maxcnc> also a pdf with the german button commands for the xhb
[13:22:54] <maxcnc> Alexande1B: is it a wirerless
[13:24:33] <maxcnc> wirerless do a reset of the step and of the axis poddy to set zero on axis move
[13:24:44] <maxcnc> so slightly modifications are needed
[13:26:21] <zeeshan-mill> im really liking linuxcnc features
[13:26:28] <zeeshan-mill> still learning the gui
[13:26:29] <zeeshan-mill> but its clean!
[13:26:44] <maxcnc> thats why we all here
[13:26:48] <pcw_home> maxcnc if you are still having troubles with the 7I76, can you capture the dmesg log
[13:26:50] <pcw_home> (first clear it with sudo dmesg -C so its not full of boot stuff thats unimportant)
[13:27:13] <maxcnc> pcw_home: no log as the mashine powers off the hole room
[13:27:35] <maxcnc> all clear till it happens
[13:28:05] <maxcnc> works fine yesterday on maybe 40 plasma shots then full power down
[13:28:38] <maxcnc> after reloading all and restarting on the bug hole it run to the end
[13:28:56] <maxcnc> second sheet same paddern no fault
[13:29:12] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[13:29:19] <zeeshan-mill> how do you post with linuxcnc-features?
[13:29:56] <pcw_home> The machine can power down the room?
[13:29:57] <maxcnc> then a other pattern maybe on the 4th shot same power off in the room the fuse dident relese only the pc and the mashine went off
[13:30:13] <_methods> uber power off
[13:30:27] <_methods> mine powers off the easter sea board
[13:30:29] <maxcnc> there mast be a failue in the system you saisd 1.4V >
[13:30:53] <maxcnc> so all mashine reladed go down
[13:31:20] <_methods> eastern even
[13:31:41] <maxcnc> its only on the mashie i updadet
[13:31:55] <maxcnc> and i got 4 identical plasmas to th last crew
[13:33:44] <maxcnc> i changed the Reay positions away from the 7i76 and ichanged the relays itself as the THC power relay got not resetabel from the 7i76 there is now output 4 and 5 ON without control
[13:34:04] <maxcnc> seams that i cracked the 7i76 in some way
[13:34:20] <maxcnc> but no fault 2.5.4
[13:36:28] <pcw_home> if 7I76 outputs are stuck on, thats a damaged 7I76
[13:36:43] <maxcnc> do i need to --reload the 7i76 in some way i did not find that in the readmes
[13:39:11] <maxcnc> so i might be changing the 7i76
[13:43:18] <pcw_home> without a dmesg list its really difficult to try and figure out what going on
[13:43:19] <pcw_home> als what all was changed at once (linuxcnc version, OS, 5I25 firmware, 7I76 firmware etc)
[13:44:04] <maxcnc> agree
[13:44:32] <maxcnc> the new pc are coming on 2nd week in DEcember then i will setup a new one and try
[13:44:46] <maxcnc> home its gone make it till then
[13:45:03] <maxcnc> X-mas markets are selling of the hole storige here
[13:49:16] <maxcnc> ok im off for today pcw_home dont worry its only my fault on this
[13:56:32] <zeeshan-mill> does linuxcnc at load
[13:56:41] <zeeshan-mill> look @ /usr/share/pyshared/gladevcp
[13:56:44] <zeeshan-mill> for gladevcp scripts
[13:57:30] <JT-Shop> if you open the package manager you can see the paths to all files for linuxcnc
[14:03:01] <zeeshan-mill> i keep crashing linuxcnc damn it
[14:03:09] <zeeshan-mill> cause it cant find this "Features" module
[14:03:24] <zeeshan-mill> GLADEVCP = -u --catalog=mill features.ui
[14:03:24] <zeeshan-mill> FEATURES_PATH = /home/zeeshan/linuxcnc-features
[14:03:28] <zeeshan-mill> i added those 2 lines in hal
[14:03:33] <zeeshan-mill> er i mean the ini.
[14:28:42] <zeeshan-mill> damn it linuxcnc-features
[14:28:48] <zeeshan-mill> why are you such a pain to install
[14:28:49] <zeeshan-mill> anyone use it before?
[14:29:03] <zeeshan-mill> i can get it to run standalone
[14:29:09] <zeeshan-mill> but not embedded.
[14:32:20] <Tom_itx> use what?
[14:32:43] <Tom_itx> just walked in
[14:34:19] <zeeshan-mill> linuxcnc-features
[14:34:50] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[14:34:57] <Tom_itx> they're installed in my config
[14:34:59] <Tom_itx> have a look
[14:35:58] <skunkworks> zeeshan-mill: it is now on git.linuxcnc.org...
[14:36:09] <zeeshan-mill> skunksleep i downloaded it
[14:36:19] <zeeshan-mill> i have it in ~/linuxcnc-features
[14:36:28] <zeeshan-mill> i type ./features.py it works
[14:36:41] <zeeshan-mill> i then moidfy the setup file to use python2.6
[14:36:43] <zeeshan-mill> not 2.7
[14:37:43] <zeeshan-mill> GLADEVCP = -U --catalog=mill features.ui
[14:37:43] <zeeshan-mill> FEATURES_PATH = /home/zeeshan/linuxcnc-features
[14:37:45] <zeeshan-mill> i add those 2 lies
[14:38:04] <zeeshan-mill> it does not load up
[14:38:29] <zeeshan-mill> like linuxcnc opens up, but the features thing isnt embedded
[14:38:30] <Tom_itx> all lies!
[14:39:04] <Tom_itx> if you don't have it by the time i'm done raking leaves i'll pull mine up and check
[14:39:10] <Tom_itx> bbl
[14:39:50] <zeeshan-mill> i dont see it in your ini
[14:40:03] <Tom_itx> NGCGUI_PREAMBLE = in_std.ngc
[14:40:03] <Tom_itx> NGCGUI_SUBFILE = simp.ngc
[14:40:03] <Tom_itx> NGCGUI_SUBFILE = xyz.ngc
[14:40:03] <Tom_itx> NGCGUI_SUBFILE = iquad.ngc
[14:40:03] <Tom_itx> NGCGUI_SUBFILE = db25.ngc
[14:40:03] <Tom_itx> NGCGUI_SUBFILE = ihex.ngc
[14:40:04] <Tom_itx> NGCGUI_SUBFILE = gosper.ngc
[14:40:13] <Tom_itx> look for that
[14:40:14] <zeeshan-mill> that aint linuxcnc-features
[14:40:17] <Tom_itx> + more
[14:40:18] <Tom_itx> oh
[14:40:29] <jthornton> damit I hosed the menus on this machine and lost my CNC menu
[14:40:35] <zeeshan-mill> lol jt
[14:42:18] <zeeshan-mill> zeeshan@cnc-mill:~/linuxcnc-features$ gladevcp -U --catalog=mill /home/zeeshan/linuxcnc-features/features.ui
[14:42:25] <zeeshan-mill> "Cannot find catalog files"
[14:42:31] <zeeshan-mill> its like it doesnt know where the base path is
[14:42:55] <zeeshan-mill> skunksleep, any help? :)
[14:46:09] <jthornton> isn't features in master only?
[14:46:37] <zeeshan-mill> i dont know what that means :)
[14:47:13] <zeeshan-mill> is there a way to find the lg
[14:47:18] <zeeshan-mill> log for when linuxcnc loads up
[14:47:30] <zeeshan-mill> it usually crashes and gives you a log
[14:47:36] <zeeshan-mill> but its not crashing..
[15:03:39] <zeeshan-mill> i think i see the problem
[15:03:44] <zeeshan-mill> can you only run one gladevcp?
[15:04:11] <zeeshan-mill> cause i currently got my own display panel in glade..
[15:06:09] <JT-Shop> dmesg > errors.txt
[15:06:40] <zeeshan-mill> jt i know you know this!
[15:06:43] <zeeshan-mill> cause youre a glade master
[15:06:54] <zeeshan-mill> GLADEVCP = -U --catalog=mill /home/zeeshan/linuxcnc-features/features.ui -u ./hitcounter.py ./manual-example.ui
[15:06:57] <zeeshan-mill> if i type that it doesnt work
[15:07:16] <zeeshan-mill> but if i remove my custom scripts -u ./hitcounter.py ./manual-example.ui
[15:07:22] <zeeshan-mill> it works.. hmm
[15:08:26] <skunkworks> I think currently it is here
[15:08:28] <skunkworks> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/features_preview_2
[15:08:53] <JT-Shop> I've never messed with features
[15:08:57] <zeeshan-mill> i got features working
[15:09:06] <zeeshan-mill> but i cant have 2 glade control panels it seems
[15:09:11] <zeeshan-mill> they conflict with each other..
[15:10:01] <JT-Shop> got the last garage door bolted back up and I'm calling it a day... be warmer tomorrow
[15:10:03] <zeeshan-mill> is there maybe a way to load another window?
[15:11:22] <JT-Shop> never tried to do that
[15:13:50] <skunkworks> hold on
[15:14:21] <zeeshan-mill> i need to separate -U --catalog=mill /home/zeeshan/linuxcnc-features/features.ui to be opened up as a new window and
[15:14:32] <zeeshan-mill> -u ./hitcounter.py ./manual-example.ui as embedded to axis
[15:22:35] <JT-Shop> 2 more OSB panels and I can wrap the garage doors :)
[15:23:34] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:24:26] <SpeedEvil> I wish liquid loop garments were a bit easier to make.
[15:25:17] <SpeedEvil> Simply keep your entire body at a flat 28C or whatever, nomatter the environment.
[15:31:12] <duc> Some good project cnc machines if anyone is looking for a cnc knee mill
[15:31:14] <duc> http://nashville.craigslist.org/tls/5324814059.html
[15:33:46] <JT-Shop> now to wire up door #1
[15:35:15] <SpeedEvil> duc: 'first make airship with global range and enough capacity to pick up and take home random CNC machines'
[15:35:45] <SpeedEvil> 20000lb I guess should cover it.
[15:36:33] <zeeshan-mill> what are osb panels
[15:42:09] <duc> SpeedEvil: only wish. I'm close enough for one but no room in garagr
[15:44:06] <renesis> speedevil: insurance for floating cnc machines over populated areas with a baloon is probably crazy
[15:55:53] <duc> Let there be heat in the garage
[16:00:14] <SpeedEvil> renesis: yeah. Stealth airship it is then.
[16:01:38] <Praesmeodymium> airship pirates!
[16:02:03] <Praesmeodymium> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZrh6eooyrg
[16:07:26] * JT-Shop goes to check the french bread
[16:16:27] <_methods> oui oui
[16:28:55] <Deejay> gn8
[17:12:19] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, what are these features you're talking about? is that something new?
[17:19:52] <dgarr> for folks interested in 'Features', it has been discussed on the forum a log. FernV has made many mods to Nick's original version. The FernV (and Nick's) vesion require several customizations to system files (in /usr etc.) . In anticipation of future incorporation into LinuxCNC , there is not a preview git branch named 'features_preview_2'.
[17:20:53] <dgarr> (the branch named 'features_preview' (no _2) is obsolete (broken). The feautures_preivew_2 branch can be tested as a build in a gitl clone and scratch debs are
[17:21:16] <dgarr> made on the buildbot (the scratch debs disappear after some number of days).
[17:21:17] <Tom_itx> i mistook them for the previous ngcgui tabs
[17:21:52] <dgarr> With the branch 'features_preview_2', one does not need to edit system files.
[17:22:57] <dgarr> several typos above: s/b has been discussed on the forum for a long time (years).
[17:23:26] <dgarr> So to try, testing with the features_preview_2 branch could be helpful
[17:23:48] <JT-Shop> hi dgarr
[17:23:53] <dgarr> hi jt
[17:24:06] <Tom_itx> i'll have to pull an update and check it out
[17:24:34] <JT-Shop> I have a dead persimmon tree about 8" in diameter, are you still interested in some of that?
[17:25:57] <JT-Shop> oh crumb I get a seg fault on this computer trying to run Axi
[17:25:58] <dgarr> if you've had it long, i'd be surprised if it is not cracked a lot. I've got some on ebay in the last year (very green), it is good for my purposes
[17:25:58] <JT-Shop> s
[17:26:30] <JT-Shop> it didn't do to well this year, still standing but short on leaves this summer
[17:26:45] <JT-Shop> so close to dying I think
[17:50:17] * JT-Shop wanders inside
[17:50:32] <Tom_itx> git branch features_preview_2 will put me on that branch right?
[17:50:37] <Tom_itx> then git checkout
[17:50:46] <Tom_itx> been a while...
[17:53:02] <atom1> Compiling libnml/inifile/inifile.cc
[17:53:04] <atom1> libnml/inifile/inifile.cc: In member function ‘const char* IniFile::Find(const char*, const char*, int, int*)’:
[17:53:09] <atom1> libnml/inifile/inifile.cc:292: warning: ‘elineptr’ may be used uninitialized in this function
[17:53:11] <atom1> libnml/inifile/inifile.cc:293: warning: ‘elinenext’ may be used uninitialized in this function
[18:44:37] <Tom_itx> dgarr, had a compiler warning on that branch
[18:49:47] <Erant> Holy shit HDPE mills fast.
[18:50:20] <Tom_itx> yep
[18:50:22] <Tom_itx> soft
[18:50:29] <Tom_itx> need sharp tools
[18:50:44] <Erant> Even my micro mill tears through that shit at as fast as I'm comfortable spinning the lead screws right now
[18:51:09] <Erant> Yeah, I've got some sharp 2 flutes, and a set of small 1 flute cutters.
[18:52:08] <Erant> 2.5k RPM, 30-40 IPM 'til I change the leadscrews.
[18:53:59] <Erant> Or at least the nuts for some delrin ones. (Though I found out SIEG made these custom. 12mm metric, but 20TPI)
[18:54:12] <Erant> So no finding a tap.
[18:58:23] <Praesmeodymium> delrin nuts work ok for cnc? I had always been curios, i mean its plastic and I am obviously biased against plastics
[18:59:05] <Tom_itx> some ppl use them
[19:00:56] <Praesmeodymium> I assume like everything they work when designed for, but dont work for everything, like trying to machine inconel (the hardest thing I can think of)
[19:01:50] <Tom_itx> common sense would tell you that ehh?
[19:02:30] <Praesmeodymium> yeah ofc, i guess I just dont know how to ask the question for the answer im after... what are they good for?
[19:02:53] <Tom_itx> light machining
[19:02:56] <Tom_itx> routers etc
[19:03:28] <Tom_itx> how often are you willing to replace it?
[19:04:16] <Praesmeodymium> open builds has these c beam sets that would make it easy for a rather ignorant designer like myself to consider trying to build something
[19:04:31] <Praesmeodymium> and I would like to machine aluminum at some point
[19:04:46] <Tom_itx> consider something heavier then
[19:08:07] <malcom2073_> That sort of thing is good for wood/plastic at fairly low speeds, and a good way to get into stuff on the cheap without having to spend a lot of money on a proper frame
[19:21:57] <XXCoder> I wonder how well some kinds of oplastics mills
[19:22:03] <XXCoder> like plastic from milk cartons
[20:00:57] <hiroshima5> hi there
[20:03:39] <hiroshima5> does anybody know how to add a custom glade widget to a system-wide installation?
[20:17:10] <Erant> XXCoder: I think that's largely polyethelene.
[20:17:19] <Erant> Which is what HDPE is.
[20:17:19] <XXCoder> ok
[20:17:24] <XXCoder> ahh cool
[20:17:32] <Erant> But I just buy sheets of it
[20:17:45] <Erant> Relatively cheap.
[20:47:11] <norias> hdpe is easy to machine
[20:48:44] <Erant> Yah, I machined an enclosure for one of my servo drives today
[20:48:51] <Erant> I could've ridden it much harder than I did.
[20:49:55] <Erant> I'm considering just getting a large 1" thick sheet of it to have around/
[20:50:31] <Erant> Only downside being it doesn't glue at all
[20:52:56] <Tom_itx> http://www.tapplastics.com/product/repair_products/plastic_adhesives/tap_poly_weld_adhesive/435
[20:54:05] <Erant> Yeah, I'm aware, but it's too bad it doesn't work with more traditional glues.
[20:54:11] <Erant> I actually get my HDPE from TAP
[20:54:38] <trentster> Anyone here ever made/milled a Tesla turbine before?
[21:00:28] <Erant> Contemplating getting a lathe...
[21:00:42] <Erant> How horrible is the harbor freight/SIEG one?
[21:01:47] <Tom_itx> i would probably avoid HF for anything serious
[21:03:13] <Erant> Yeah, my mill's from littlemachineshop, and they were great. It's still a Sieg, but at least it's a high-end one.
[21:04:48] <_methods> their 4x6 bandsaw is actually not that bad
[21:04:57] <_methods> or 4x7
[21:05:00] <_methods> or whatever it is
[21:05:00] <Erant> The only reason I
[21:05:10] <Erant> 'm considering it is because Black Friday's coming up.
[21:05:25] <Erant> And I could use a lathe, but it wouldn't be my go-to machine.
[21:11:25] <_methods> i would try and find a used tool room lathe
[21:11:49] <_methods> you can usually find one around $1-2k
[21:12:21] <Erant> I'd probably go for the LMS HiTorque one in that case. They're around $1k
[21:12:50] <_methods> i picked up an old atlas for $500
[21:14:40] <Tom_itx> i've got a small atlas
[21:14:53] <Tom_itx> had for years
[21:15:16] <_methods> yeah good little lathe
[21:15:25] <Tom_itx> _methods, on that file i sent.. just getting back to the limit mate
[21:15:32] <_methods> especially compared to those chinese lathes
[21:15:35] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:15:47] <_methods> ah yeah the limit mate
[21:15:59] <Tom_itx> trying to figure how to limit the stroke
[21:16:05] <Tom_itx> what entities to pick
[21:16:18] <_methods> well i add planes usually
[21:16:24] <_methods> easier to put them where you want
[21:16:29] <_methods> in the actual part
[21:16:34] <Tom_itx> oh
[21:16:39] <_methods> just put in some planes you want to use for limits
[21:16:45] <Tom_itx> i may add it in the sub-assembly
[21:16:46] <_methods> then select them for the min max
[21:16:52] <_methods> yeah that works too
[21:22:21] <_methods> http://macon.craigslist.org/atq/5266088468.html
[21:22:26] <_methods> nice little south bend
[21:23:45] <_methods> see you can get that kind of lathe for around $2k
[21:24:06] <_methods> and it will serve you way better than any of those chinese mills
[21:24:13] <_methods> or lathes oops
[21:26:15] <PetefromTn_> seems a bit steep to me
[21:26:28] <_methods> yeah
[21:26:36] <_methods> i'm just using that as an example
[21:27:02] <_methods> those chinese lathes are $1k from little machine shop
[21:27:14] <_methods> might as well save up and get a real lathe at that point
[21:27:17] <PetefromTn_> thats crazy for a mini lathe
[21:27:28] <_methods> exactly
[21:29:18] <Erant> Fair enough. I just need something small, I've basically got a large parking spots worth of space :)
[21:29:34] <Erant> Which I'm making work quite nicely, but it's still limited
[21:29:54] <_methods> the footprint a southbend takes up will be fairly close to the footprint of one of those chinese lathes
[21:30:09] <_methods> and you get 1000x more machine
[21:30:42] <_methods> an old atlas or south bend is usually pretty easy to find
[21:32:44] <malcom2073_> I just sold my southbend 9c for $800, they're cheap
[21:42:30] <PetefromTn_> http://charlotte.craigslist.org/tls/5295408908.html
[21:42:44] <Tom_itx> _methods, i'm not gettng a limited action...
[21:42:55] <Tom_itx> guess i don't understand how this works
[21:48:08] <_methods> what all are you selecting for mates?
[21:48:44] <Tom_itx> i did a plane above the cylinder and the top of the cylinder
[21:49:07] <_methods> looks like they changed the limit mates
[21:49:16] <Tom_itx> maybe i should use the piston instead
[21:49:24] <_methods> so you can pick like a face of the cylinder and a face on the piston
[21:49:33] <_methods> then you put in the +/- dimension
[21:53:00] <Tom_itx> ok i got it
[21:53:01] <Tom_itx> thanks
[21:53:06] <_methods> cool
[21:53:20] <Tom_itx> bottom of the housing and bottom of the piston
[21:53:25] <_methods> yeah you used to have to use planes or faces to do it
[21:54:22] <Tom_itx> can you edit the sub once it's in the assembly?
[21:54:27] <_methods> yes
[21:54:29] <Tom_itx> or do you need to go back to the sub file
[21:54:40] <_methods> you need to regen if you modify it in another assy
[21:54:48] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:54:49] <_methods> that little stoplight icon
[21:55:09] <_methods> you can modify parts in assy's too
[21:55:50] <trentster> Is there a way to see the actual command issued when a button in the panel is pressed e.g. "Home Axis" without having limit switches installed. Do I need to enable a certain debug level to see this?
[22:06:18] <Tom_itx> _methods, it behaves different editing in the assembly over the sub
[22:06:30] <Tom_itx> but i got what i was after
[22:19:40] <trentster> Whats is the gcode command to manually reset the home(origin) position on a single axis e.g. Z axis
[22:20:15] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g10-l2
[22:20:18] <trentster> lets say in a situation where you have home switches on X, and Y but not on Z
[22:21:00] <Tom_itx> or
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g10-l20
[22:21:16] <trentster> The issue I am having is sometimes when I run auto z probe it wont run as it says it exceeds the limits and I need to reset the Z home position to get it to run
[22:22:01] <trentster> beacuase I have homing on X and Y when I run the home cycle Z gets homed to wherever it happens to be at the moment. I want to change this
[22:22:59] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-homing.html
[22:23:08] <Tom_itx> sequence
[22:24:36] <trentster> Tom_itx:
https://monosnap.com/file/bFANLDIBB1xPlZkPWqnYvJasb0Kvaw
[22:25:02] <trentster> I have the homing sequence working - I can press home and it homes all axis's
[22:25:17] <Tom_itx> do you have a tool selected?
[22:25:19] <trentster> thats not the problem the problem is Z does not have a sensor
[22:25:45] <Tom_itx> select a tool then set your Z zero offset
[22:25:52] <Tom_itx> relative to the tool zero
[22:26:22] <trentster> so when I use an auto probe routine for Z height it sometimes exceeds the threshold and thats why I need to be able to click a home axis button which is not there as I have a "home all" button now
[22:26:49] <Tom_itx> or use the G10 to set it
[22:27:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
[22:27:36] <Tom_itx> i have a 'zero axis' button
[22:27:49] <Tom_itx> sends the axis to the G54 offset zero position
[22:28:46] <Tom_itx> [HALUI]
[22:28:46] <Tom_itx> MDI_COMMAND = O<work_zero> call
[22:28:46] <Tom_itx> MDI_COMMAND = G10 L20 P1 X0
[22:28:46] <Tom_itx> MDI_COMMAND = G10 L20 P1 Y0
[22:28:46] <Tom_itx> MDI_COMMAND = G10 L20 P1 Z0
[22:28:49] <Tom_itx> in the ini
[22:29:01] <trentster> aaah, thanks
[22:29:05] <trentster> let me try that
[22:29:10] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[22:29:14] <Tom_itx> the rest of it is there
[22:29:23] <Tom_itx> postgui.hal probably
[22:31:11] <Tom_itx> o<work_zero> subG90G0 Z0G0 X0 Y0o<work_zero> endsubm2
[22:31:33] <trentster> cool - thanks.
[22:31:50] <Tom_itx> put that in a work_zero.ngc file in your nc_files dir
[22:32:09] <trentster> Recommend any good GCODE tutorials, preferably in a LinuxCNC context?
[22:32:15] <Tom_itx> but you still need to set the G54 Z 0 offset first
[22:32:57] <Tom_itx> make sure your Z0 is on a line by itself before the X0 Y0 commands
[22:33:31] <trentster> It may just be more logical to add an additional home switch to the Z axis and be done with it, suppose it makes no sense having them on X and Y and not Z
[22:33:44] <Tom_itx> editor removed the LF sry
[22:34:09] <Tom_itx> you can set a soft limit
[22:34:12] <Tom_itx> if you want
[22:34:30] <Tom_itx> it could get off if you're running steppers
[22:35:00] <XXCoder> heh yeah I linked that video of what happens if you change z at same time as x and y
[22:35:06] <XXCoder> part was ruined
[22:35:15] <trentster> XXCoder: heh - url?
[22:35:21] <XXCoder> a sec
[22:35:40] <Tom_itx> the tool will generally hit something unless you clear Z first
[22:35:59] <trentster> Tom_itx: nah I have a 3rd proximity switch for Z just have not put it in yet - lazyness factor
[22:36:26] <XXCoder> trentster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWOAAyN3btc
[22:36:46] <XXCoder> fun starts ber 2:10
[22:37:59] <Tom_itx> at least you didn't snap the tool
[22:38:05] <XXCoder> me?
[22:38:33] <trentster> This is the routine I am using for auto Z probe:
https://gist.github.com/trentster/da6d37a6471a6f5f9a96 - perhaps I can improve upon it so that it resets Z to 0 before it starts probing so it avoids exceeding the limits error message?
[22:38:37] <trentster> what do you think?
[22:39:25] <Tom_itx> i think it's past my bedtime
[22:39:29] <Tom_itx> later.
[22:40:52] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah, funny, but at least he did not break his bit - thats way worse
[22:41:15] <XXCoder> yeah. I did break $600 tool with stupidity once though at that training job
[22:41:16] <trentster> Tom_itx: thanks for your help - rest well
[22:41:34] <XXCoder> I was finding length and lowering z and trying to slide block
[22:41:35] <trentster> yikes - what did they say?
[22:41:45] <XXCoder> well one time I forgot to take block out
[22:41:55] <XXCoder> it broke one tooth off
[22:42:06] <XXCoder> they didnt say too much but said be careful
[22:42:20] <XXCoder> they take losses from clients currently being trained
[22:42:26] <trentster> Lucky they did not freak out $600 is a lot of money
[22:42:34] <XXCoder> and the fact that I was getting minium wage
[22:42:42] <XXCoder> but doing machinist work
[22:43:07] <XXCoder> I'm definitely NOT earning min wage at my current job though
[22:43:36] <trentster> what does an average mid level machinist earn in the US?
[22:44:00] <XXCoder> not too sure actually
[22:44:29] <XXCoder> http://www.indeed.com/salary/CNC-Machinist.html
[22:44:38] <trentster> are there like 3 levels? Junior, intermediate and master machinist?
[22:45:03] <XXCoder> cnc machinist, journeyman cnc machinst, and master cnc machinist I think
[22:45:14] <XXCoder> mines first one. basic one lol
[22:45:48] <XXCoder> wrong tool on lathe. I wonder what it sounds like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDOWhg4R8a0
[22:47:00] <trentster> it made a shuddering noise the 1st 1-2 seconds of entry and then was smooth and silent
[22:49:13] <trentster> at the end makes a high pitched screeching noise
[22:49:53] <XXCoder> heh guess thats why guy stopped i
[22:49:58] <XXCoder> weird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yri_BELrXjE
