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[00:51:29] <jesseg> Tom_itx, ahh thanks. (regarding repeating N numbers.) I don't think it was a hand-edit caused problem. The file was generated by some version of Mastercam (by a friend) and the file has 25k lines. Further examination shows that the highest N number used is N9998 (Only even N numbers are used.) N numbers count from 100 up to 9998 in steps of 2, then start over. I guess there's a maximum number limit ;) Harmless enough I guess. N numbers are ignored, right?
[02:14:12] <Deejay> moin
[02:48:09] <Contract_Pilot> Hate reloading my Iphone
[05:26:34] <XXCoder> geez
[05:26:40] <XXCoder> kickstarter on titanium cups
[05:27:06] <XXCoder> it says Ti does not tint taste. ok. lol
[05:27:16] <XXCoder> I don't think glass does that either
[05:28:01] <XXCoder> oh it comes with Ti straw too
[05:28:23] <XXCoder> And Ti cooling stones
[05:29:03] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/207887451/true-taste-titanium-cup-and-package?ref=home_popular if curious lol
[05:29:54] <ReadError> kickstarter more like kickscammer
[05:30:02] <XXCoder> sometimes
[05:30:07] <XXCoder> sometimes its awesome
[05:33:54] <XXCoder> ReadError: I helped bring reading rainbow back
[05:33:57] <XXCoder> I loved that show
[05:34:19] <ReadError> lol used to watch that in elementary school
[05:34:27] <XXCoder> I paid for 0.001% of it lol (wild guess, probably much lower)
[05:34:36] <ReadError> and BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY
[05:34:49] <XXCoder> did bull nye have a kickstarter to restart show?
[05:34:59] <ReadError> not that i know of
[05:35:05] <XXCoder> oh lol ok
[05:35:09] <XXCoder> yeah I loved bill nye!
[05:36:21] <XXCoder> I decided to back mystery science theater 3000
[05:36:34] <XXCoder> I didnt watch that show but hey they had high quality captions!
[05:37:02] <XXCoder> and his video is really funny.
[05:37:04] <ReadError> i think chris hansen had a kickstarter
[05:37:13] <ReadError> to bring back catch a predator
[05:37:33] <XXCoder> think I watched that, meh
[05:38:48] <ReadError> would have been better if a bonus perk was kimbo slice was waiting for them
[05:42:17] <XXCoder> no idea who that is
[05:43:25] <ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHA3TLu1Hms
[05:44:27] <XXCoder> the tougher guy?
[05:44:37] <ReadError> big guy with the beard
[05:45:09] <XXCoder> which is both. but yeah understand who you mean lol
[06:01:36] <XXCoder> jeeeeez
[06:01:40] <XXCoder> ReadError:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adamleeb/hemingwrite-a-distraction-free-digital-typewriter/description
[06:01:46] <XXCoder> just get a kindle, hack it
[06:01:55] <XXCoder> OTG and done
[06:03:02] <XXCoder> even better? get arudino, eink screen good battery pack and 3d print a case
[06:06:23] <jthornton> there we go, had to reset the satellite router
[06:06:32] <XXCoder> wb
[06:06:52] <XXCoder> me and read was chatting about weird kickstarter stuff
[06:06:58] <XXCoder> and I found this
[06:07:07] <norias> ?
[06:07:10] <jthornton> been off line since 18:30 local
[06:07:11] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adamleeb/hemingwrite-a-distraction-free-digital-typewriter/description
[06:07:56] <ReadError> lol 350$ gtfo
[06:08:02] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:08:18] <ReadError> I love how people put a 'donate $5' thing, when they are trying to make money selling a product
[06:08:22] <XXCoder> you can get eink screen and arudino, buy a 3d printer, print a case
[06:08:28] <XXCoder> and still sneak under that price
[06:08:34] <XXCoder> you can then print lots more stuff
[06:09:13] <XXCoder> ReadError: sometimes donate $5 or something is awesome if I dont need stuff but I think concept is awesome
[06:09:31] <XXCoder> definitely not in that case though lol
[06:12:25] * norias stretches.
[06:12:31] <norias> Time to make the robots.
[06:20:48] <XXCoder> check this out
[06:20:59] <XXCoder> timing makes it look like its moving very slowly lol
https://youtu.be/VITQnHJnhFs?t=1102
[06:23:46] <XXCoder> I wonder if that trick can be delberately done as an aid
[06:24:13] <XXCoder> makes it easier to do tricky stuff like when stock isnt round
[06:29:51] <malcom2073> Yeah, but would the kind of people who do wood turning really be into that kind of technology? :P
[06:30:08] <XXCoder> probably not. not too sure how it would be done
[06:30:17] <XXCoder> would have to be googles thing I guess
[06:30:19] <malcom2073> Adjustable framerate camera maybe?
[06:30:23] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:30:28] <malcom2073> Have it auto-adjust with an encoder on the spindle
[06:30:43] <XXCoder> with plus or minus
[06:30:47] <XXCoder> so it can slowly rotate
[06:33:02] <archivist_herron> that is just aliasing so it appears slow
[06:33:45] <XXCoder> with correct fps, water drip and speaker you can make water waves in air
[06:33:47] <XXCoder> that stand still
[06:42:28] <XXCoder> one of best I ever seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAe2kIVJ0QI
[06:42:33] <XXCoder> so much work though
[06:44:36] <XXCoder> funny thing is when its spinning it looks like fairly plain mottled wood
[06:56:41] <Tom_itx> jesseg, yes they're ignored by the machine, just not the operator :)
[06:58:31] * jthornton gets to bend the trim to wrap the garage doors this morning!
[06:58:59] <Tom_itx> 40°F
[06:59:07] <Tom_itx> better get busy, winter is coming
[06:59:17] <jthornton> 54F here
[06:59:34] <Tom_itx> up to 20 inches of snow reported in NW Kansas
[06:59:37] <XXCoder> winter is coming
[06:59:45] <jthornton> I wish I could make the degree symbol on linux computer alt 248 doesn't work lol
[06:59:58] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: it actually snowed a little north of here
[07:00:04] <XXCoder> snow this early is not common
[07:00:12] <XXCoder> too bad about polar votex
[07:00:21] <Tom_itx> i've been trick or treating in snow
[07:00:33] <Tom_itx> not that often though
[07:05:30] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: heard that record temperate difference in shortest distance was around few feet and over 50 degrees
[07:05:36] <XXCoder> from snow cold to shorts
[07:13:07] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXcZ5PcjfTU dang
[07:52:43] <lair82> Good Morning Gentleman, I have a question, I am installing a new servo drive from Automation direct, and it is rated at 13.6 amps, and I was wondering if I could use a small IEC contactor rated at 18 amps for the main infeed for the drive?
[07:54:04] <archivist> check peak currents for both
[07:59:59] <archivist> burnt out connectors is one of the faults I have come across more than once
[08:06:38] <lair82> I can't find anything relating to peak current on the contactor although I do see a make/break current of 216/180 respectively, the drive says 87A for main circuit inrush current,
[08:09:15] <archivist> inrush should only ever be switched by the contactor so the connector does carry it but should be fully inserted at the time
[08:12:46] <lair82> So I should be ok then?
[08:13:29] <archivist> the makers aught to have dome data
[08:14:06] <lair82> I just put an inquiry into AD, I will see what they say
[08:14:29] <archivist> this is one of those things where, run light lasts forever, run hard may or may not last
[08:22:16] <lair82> I'm looking at the physical contactor now, it says Continuous Current 25A, 5KA 600V, Max Fuse 50A, Max CB 40A, 5HP at 220-240 3PH
[08:37:02] <Jymmm> (NSFW) PROOF! There is a gawd...
http://imgur.com/a/noybG
[08:39:40] <lair82> That was pretty nice Jymmm
[08:39:52] <Jymmm> =)
[08:42:47] <lair82> hell of a way to start the day ;)
[09:42:37] <JT-Shop> got all my wraps bent up
[09:43:47] <SpeedEvil> Now I want wraps.
[09:44:01] <SpeedEvil> I shall make do with curry.
[10:14:54] <automata> hi
[10:15:42] <automata> have a touchscreen that has a quirk, the ABS_X value gets reported as ABS_Z and ABS_Y value gets reported as ABS_RX
[10:17:21] <automata> To solve this, it seems the best solution is to re-compile the usbhid.ko kernel module with modifications to the files: drivers/hid/hid-ids.h | 3 +++
[10:17:21] <automata> drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-quirks.c | 1 +
[10:17:29] <automata> as per:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/12/3/4
[10:18:12] <automata> I am currently using the Wheezy compiled kernel: uname -a
[10:18:12] <automata> Linux WheezyCNC 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[10:19:14] <automata> any ideas on how to compile usbhid.ko .. maybe without building the whole kernel again?
[10:20:26] <automata> I am trying to download the kernel source using: sudo apt-get source linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
[10:20:43] <automata> not sure what to do after that though
[10:21:29] <automata> the source package is being fetched from the
http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/base
[10:28:55] <automata> tried a simple make command in the linux-3.4.55 directory the source package created
[10:29:48] <automata> error is it cannot find a config file
[10:30:29] <automata> which would I find a config file used for te original kernel?
[10:30:40] <automata> *where not which
[10:31:33] <automata> hello
[10:32:29] <anomynous_> automata, download src for the kernel you are running'
[10:32:33] <anomynous_> it probably includes it
[10:33:08] <automata> i downloaded the source using apt-get source linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
[10:33:29] <automata> and that does nto seem to have the .config file in it
[10:33:58] <anomynous_> then idk.
[10:35:58] <automata> thanks though
[10:35:59] <anomynous_> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/123026/where-kernel-configuration-file-is-stored suggests it might be in /boot/
[10:36:15] <automata> looking now
[10:36:38] <anomynous_> you probably know, but you need a switch for ls to see dotfiles
[10:36:46] <anomynous_> "a" switch
[10:36:52] <automata> found a config-3.4-9-rta-686-pae file there
[10:39:20] <automata> copied it to .config in the linux-3.4.55 directory and started the compile
[10:39:37] <automata> it has started compiling!!
[10:41:22] <automata> I have added the usbhid patch from
https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/12/3/4
[10:41:55] <automata> will try to just copy over the usbhid.ko file to the running kernel and try to reboot
[10:42:03] <automata> hopefully it shoudl work
[10:56:21] <automata> in the downloaded kernel tree, I have copied the /boot/config-3.4-9-rta-686-pae as .config file
[10:56:56] <automata> after that I have run make in the linux-3.4.55 directory. That is taking an awfully long time (probably as expected)
[10:57:07] <automata> beyond that I am going to run make modules
[10:57:57] <automata> hopefully that will give me an updated usbhid.ko module which I can copy over to a running kernel and things should work
[11:32:24] <automata> would any part of usbhid.ko need to be a part of the initrd image for booting?
[11:33:05] <automata> since usbhid.ko has drivers for usb keyboard and mouse which may be needed at boot time?
[11:45:05] <gonzo_> any HAL experts heere, able to answer some pwmgen questions?
[11:48:25] <automata> I can try
[12:43:56] <maxcnc> gonzo_ on spindel or servos
[12:44:48] <maxcnc> automata: why not the live CD install
[12:45:36] <gonzo_nb> eve maxcnc
[12:45:43] <gonzo_nb> servos
[12:45:57] <maxcnc> sorry i got no servos in use at all
[12:46:17] <gonzo_nb> trying to understand how to set params on the pwmgen pins
[12:47:02] <gonzo_nb> it's probably a lower level question that is common to both implimentations
[12:47:29] <maxcnc> did you got this
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PWM_Servo_Amplifiers
[12:47:48] <gonzo_nb> nope, will look
[12:47:50] <gonzo_nb> ta
[12:49:11] <gonzo_nb> interstting doc, recon I'll ned that later
[12:49:32] <gonzo_nb> but I'm struggling with just basic i/o config/hal
[12:49:48] <maxcnc> there id might help
[12:50:31] <automata> gonzo: are u using pwmgen module with a parallel port or with an outboard FPGA card?
[12:50:33] <maxcnc> first your main problem is
[12:50:50] <gonzo_nb> mesa 7i90 card
[12:51:04] <gonzo_nb> two issues... first:
[12:51:43] <gonzo_nb> the docs suggest that there is a pin specific param, in the pwmgen, invert_output
[12:52:34] <gonzo_nb> if i do setp hm2_ blah blah .pwmgen.00.pwm.invert_output 1
[12:52:52] <gonzo_nb> I get an error that the pin/param is unknown
[12:53:19] <gonzo_nb> trying to work out how to reference the pin by name
[12:53:21] <automata> can you run halcmd?
[12:53:34] <maxcnc> .invert_output true
[12:53:43] <maxcnc> not 1
[12:53:52] <gonzo_nb> give me a clue where that is
[12:53:59] <gonzo_nb> tried true also
[12:54:02] <automata> if so, can you share output of #halcmd show param hm2_
[12:54:50] <automata> are you running linuxcnc with directly fromt he install CD or have you compiled it for run in place?
[12:55:02] <gonzo_nb> give me a clue how to get to halcmd, save me having to go away and read up
[12:55:06] <gonzo_nb> installed
[12:55:32] <automata> then open a shell and type halcmd
[12:55:39] <gonzo_nb> rr stby
[12:55:40] <automata> it is already installed
[12:57:09] <maxcnc> automata: i think he dident enable the pwm at all so there is nothing running that coudt be inverted
[12:57:50] <automata> i agree ... that is why we should check the output of show pin and show param
[12:58:17] <automata> that will give an idea of whether the modules are inserted
[12:58:30] <maxcnc> net x-enable axis.0.amp-enable-out =>hm2_7i90.0.pwmgen.00.enable
[12:58:50] <automata> gonzo_nb: also check output of dmesg.
[12:59:11] <automata> all the pins created by the hostmot2 module will be listed there
[12:59:58] <g0nzo_cnc> ok fire
[13:00:39] <automata> can you runthe command dmesg in a shell?
[13:01:37] <pcw_home> pwmgen.xx.pwm.invert_output is only available in master
[13:01:53] <automata> hi pcw
[13:02:00] <pcw_home> hi
[13:02:00] <automata> good morning
[13:02:04] <gonzo_> can do, but nowt in there till I load hostmot2 ?
[13:02:38] <gonzo_> what are you refering to as the master?
[13:03:29] <pcw_home> the master version of linuxcnc the feature of module pine attribute aliases was only added in the last month or so
[13:03:44] <pcw_home> s/pine/pin/
[13:03:58] <gonzo_> ah, that could be an issue
[13:04:18] <gonzo_> would my syntax have been correct then?
[13:04:23] <gonzo_> setp hm2_ blah pwmgen.00.pwm.invert_output 1
[13:04:26] <pcw_home> for anything earlier you need to change the GPIO pin attribute
[13:05:06] <gonzo_> can I use the gpio numbers even if that pins are assigned to gens?
[13:05:08] <pcw_home> (first figuring out which GPIO pin the PWM output is on)
[13:05:30] <pcw_home> yes for setting attributes or reading the output state
[13:05:58] <g0nzo_cnc> I did try:]setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.007.invert_output 1
[13:06:02] <anomynous> what kind of steel could handle ocean water without rusting?
[13:06:04] <pcw_home> the aliases make this nicer but were only added recently
[13:06:28] <pcw_home> that will work if its the correct pin
[13:06:30] <g0nzo_cnc> but I assume that the fn invert_output doesn;t exist for gpio pins
[13:06:44] <pcw_home> it does
[13:07:07] <g0nzo_cnc> even in the earlier releases?
[13:07:19] <pcw_home> since about 2005
[13:07:36] <g0nzo_cnc> so recent addition is the pin alias in the pwmgen?
[13:07:45] <pcw_home> yes thats all
[13:08:02] <g0nzo_cnc> ok. Ta
[13:08:04] <pcw_home> (to clean up hal files)
[13:08:44] <g0nzo_cnc> I did try the line above ( .gpio.007.) but that also gave the error, on the pin/param not being found
[13:09:08] <g0nzo_cnc> (using the 7i90 demo servo hal script)
[13:09:48] <g0nzo_cnc> [13301.559811] hm2/hm2_7i90.0: IO Pin 007 (P1-15): PWMGen #0, pin Out0 (PWM or Up) (Output)
[13:11:09] <pcw_home> probably a typo
[13:11:11] <pcw_home> best thing is to list all the pins/params
[13:11:13] <pcw_home> and copy paste from this list
[13:12:10] <g0nzo_cnc> it needed true. Now runs up without error
[13:12:26] <g0nzo_cnc> also the motor does not come up full speed
[13:12:45] <pcw_home> bbl
[13:13:08] <g0nzo_cnc> reading about pwmgen in mode 1 (pwm and dir), the docs mention that the pwm is -ve and +ve
[13:13:25] <g0nzo_cnc> I assume that meands that 50% duty is motor stop?
[13:13:42] <g0nzo_cnc> ok, thanks peter, catch you later
[13:17:36] <anomynous> i dunno what i machined today ;D it was some acid proof stuff i had to slow down to 50m/min with. With inserts that can handle another acid proof grade at 150m/min. Some other round inserts meant for tool steel died after one part at that speed.
[13:18:17] <JT-Shop> shop door wrapped and trimmed out... banana pickle time
[13:18:39] <anomynous> whhaaaat?
[13:18:55] <anomynous> boss just said he forgot to say about it
[13:25:04] <maxcnc> JT-Shop: are you the man how did the thcup comp in the linuxcnc docs
[13:25:58] <JT-Shop> yea, I did the docs too
[13:26:20] <maxcnc> question on speed is this in mashine units
[13:29:30] <maxcnc> thcud.correction-vel mm/min or the mm/s²
[13:29:47] <maxcnc> ir inch /min on mashine units
[13:29:53] <JT-Shop> IIRC that is in cycles
[13:29:55] <maxcnc> the doc is not clear about
[13:30:08] <JT-Shop> so start with a real tiny number
[13:30:32] <maxcnc> i have to use 0.001 thats why i need to alsk
[13:33:09] <JT-Shop> I have a slightly different version and I'm using 0.00003
[13:33:36] <maxcnc> ;.)
[13:33:55] * JT-Shop notices that the break minute has passed
[13:34:16] <maxcnc> coffee all the time on side
[13:37:37] <Jymmm> Are those $100 wire fed 110V welders are good?
[13:38:37] <Wolf_> works wonderful probably. as a paper weight or door stop
[13:40:37] <Jymmm> Yeah, that doens't help any
[13:43:29] <Wolf_> what amp? port for gas feed?
[13:51:41] <duc> If you have a quick job in a area that may damage your welder
[13:51:43] <Jymmm> no gas, household 110V outlet
[13:51:56] <duc> Like roof for swamp cooler repair
[13:52:36] <Jymmm> damage?
[13:55:48] <duc> If it fell off the roof. Lol
[13:58:41] <Jymmm> oh, heh. Nah, it remain on the ground
[14:00:03] <Jymmm> Just didn't know if they could do 1/4" 1/8" 16ga as I see a duty cycle to them
[14:00:16] <Wolf_> …
[14:00:28] <Wolf_> thats why I asked what the amp output was
[14:01:04] <archivist> go on a welding course before you get it
[14:01:46] <Wolf_> my cheap mig welder was $1500
[14:01:57] <Wolf_> so $100 screams quality to me
[14:02:04] <archivist> I only have a stick machine
[14:03:33] <Jymmm> I was thinking homedepot, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOa0MCjHKC8
[14:04:20] <Jymmm> I've never welded, so no clue
[14:04:39] <archivist> that is why I say go get some training
[14:04:41] <Wolf_> http://www.harborfreight.com/90-Amp-AC-120-Volt-Flux-Cored-Welder-61849.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiODQ5MzUwNjAiLCJza3UiOiI2MTg0OSIsImlzIjoiOTkuOTkiLCJwcm9kdWN0X2lk%0D%0AIjoiMTA1NzEifQ%3D%3D%0D%0A that?
[14:04:47] <Jymmm> archivist: Good advice, but it's going to be school of hard knocks training =)
[14:05:11] <archivist> school of birdshit welding
[14:05:15] <Wolf_> haha 20% duty cycle
[14:05:33] <Jymmm> Yeah, suck duty cycle
[14:05:37] <Wolf_> means you can weld for 2mins out of 10mins
[14:05:58] <archivist> weld 5 it cuts out wait.....
[14:06:00] <Jymmm> they have a few at HD too
[14:06:31] <Jymmm> Well, I cna buy 5 and get 100% duty cycle =)
[14:07:11] <Jymmm> anyhow, can those do 1/4" steel plate?
[14:07:27] <Jymmm> lets say a repair
[14:07:36] <Wolf_> no
[14:07:37] <archivist> I had a welder for my 21ts, I was useless at it, went and got a trainee welder job, got trained at someones expense :)
[14:08:11] <Wolf_> sheet comes with says 18 ga to 3/16”
[14:08:21] <Wolf_> but I wouldnt trust it on 3/16
[14:08:28] <Jymmm> archivist: Neighbor welds for a living, so I have a lil help there
[14:08:54] <archivist> just give him some beers and get him to do whatever
[14:09:27] <Jymmm> archivist: I need to learn this shit, even if it's the hard way
[14:09:29] <archivist> I then moved on to mig and aluminium
[14:09:53] <archivist> and the fun of arc eye
[14:09:59] <Wolf_> if you don’t know how to weld, you will just learn to do it wtong
[14:10:04] <Wolf_> wrong*
[14:11:00] <archivist> it takes me a day after I have not done it a while to get back to slag curling
[14:11:05] <Jymmm> I'll take my chances, thanks
[14:11:42] <Wolf_> I don’t know much about welding, only cert TIG, and trained in mig and stick
[14:12:25] <archivist> I was in production after 3 weeks training
[15:23:26] <_methods> man just mention around some norcal meth heads your lookin for a welder on the cheepz
[15:23:36] <_methods> i'm sure one will be in your driveway tomorrow lol
[15:58:18] <anomynous> archivist, welding pressurized containers?
[16:25:49] <PetefromTn_> I gotta laugh at people who post something on craigslist for a ridiculously high price and let it sit there for months on end hoping someone will buy it. My local Cragislist is full of that stuff. Many of the items are actually priced HIGHER than they were available for new!
[16:27:07] <malcom2073> Hey, if you don't *have* to get rid of it... why not?
[16:28:04] <PetefromTn_> well believe me I am ALL FOR making a buck and have using craigslist many times in the past but I at least TRY to price my stuff so it has a chance in hell of selling in a reasonable time frame
[16:30:35] <malcom2073> I've got some items that I stick on there and just repost every two months
[16:30:43] <malcom2073> Occasionally lowering the price a bit, but otherwise, meh, it's free
[16:31:19] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am just whining for no reason I suppose...
[16:31:33] <PetefromTn_> at the end of the day it IS free
[16:31:42] <malcom2073> I guess your complaint is that it clutters stuff up?
[16:31:44] <malcom2073> Makes stuff harder to find
[16:31:56] <malcom2073> Look at it this way: Harder stuff is to find, the better deals there will be?
[16:31:56] <PetefromTn_> and there are plenty of shitheads that will pay stupid prices for things because they are stupid..
[16:32:26] <PetefromTn_> I just find that
[16:32:32] <PetefromTn_> when I am searching for something
[16:32:56] <PetefromTn_> I watch for specific things and frequently update the search
[16:33:14] <malcom2073> Just the fact that you're on IRC and are computer savvy... means you're by no means the norm :P
[16:33:27] <PetefromTn_> and people have the same thing for sale for MONTHS on end and they don't even think about dropping the price or adding more photos or something to help get it sold.
[16:34:14] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 Calling me Computer savvy is an awful strech ;)
[16:34:31] <malcom2073> I work in IT... trust me, you're savvy
[16:34:50] <Sync> haha PetefromTn_
[16:34:54] * Jymmm never trusts anyone who says "Trust me"
[16:34:55] <Sync> it is the same here
[16:35:15] <PetefromTn_> It gets old Is all I am saying
[16:35:18] <Wolf_> lol, working in IT, if the user can find the powerswitch they are tech savvy
[16:35:24] <PetefromTn_> for instance
[16:35:30] <PetefromTn_> there is a guy here selling a Fiero GT
[16:35:35] <PetefromTn_> its kind of a piece of shit
[16:35:46] <PetefromTn_> and he is asking like $6k for it
[16:35:49] <malcom2073> Fieros are hot shit though, people who want them, *REALLY* want them
[16:35:52] <Jymmm> Wolf_: not find, but USE power switch
[16:35:55] <PetefromTn_> it is probably worth maybe 500 bucks
[16:36:11] <PetefromTn_> but he keeps reposting it for the $6k
[16:36:22] <malcom2073> You're looking at it like a car, it's not a car
[16:36:23] <PetefromTn_> I want to reach thru the screen and slap the crap out of him LOL
[16:36:27] <malcom2073> It's a passion
[16:36:49] <PetefromTn_> no this is not a car it is a heap of shit in the yard with grass growing thru the hood ;)
[16:37:09] <malcom2073> You do know, that things are worth different amounts, to different people, yeah? :P
[16:37:18] <malcom2073> Like, actual value
[16:37:46] <SpeedEvil> Car is a variable state, depending on how much you like welding and cutting.
[16:41:29] <_methods> weren't fiero's like $6k new
[16:41:45] <_methods> those things were such turdmobiles
[16:41:59] <_methods> the glove box was great for warming up your lunch though
[16:42:11] <_methods> put your lunch in there and go for a ride, bewm hot lunch
[16:42:54] <PetefromTn_> I guess if you say so
[16:43:01] <PetefromTn_> I have had several
[16:43:10] <_methods> fiero's?
[16:43:10] <PetefromTn_> quite enjoyed them
[16:43:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[16:43:21] <_methods> you actually like them?
[16:43:31] <PetefromTn_> more like love em
[16:43:38] <Deejay> gn8
[16:43:38] <_methods> wow
[16:43:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah wow
[16:43:45] <_methods> you made Deejay leave
[16:43:58] <_methods> all that fiero nonsense lol
[16:43:58] <Deejay> haha
[16:44:50] <_methods> heheh
[16:44:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah well I can understand if you don't like them
[16:45:03] <PetefromTn_> They are a niche car
[16:45:08] <_methods> definitely
[16:45:11] <PetefromTn_> there's plenty of cars I would not own
[16:45:15] <_methods> i knew a guy that had like 4 edsels
[16:47:23] <_methods> i don't really care about cars honestly
[16:47:35] <_methods> to me they are a way to get from point a to point b
[16:48:08] <PetefromTn_> I honestly have always been a fan of cars that nobody else seems to like
[16:48:20] <PetefromTn_> for instance I am a Huge fan of the suzuki samurai.
[16:48:28] <PetefromTn_> have owned quite a few of them
[16:48:31] <_methods> i guess so guy fiero
[16:48:46] <PetefromTn_> most people say they are barbie jeeps
[16:48:53] <PetefromTn_> and wanna be jeeps etc. etc. etc.
[16:48:54] <_methods> hah the samurai's were kinda cool except for the whole tipping over thing
[16:49:01] <PetefromTn_> exactly
[16:49:25] <Sync> they are cool cars
[16:49:26] <PetefromTn_> I must say that of all the cars I have owned the most fun was had in both the Fiero's and the samurai's///
[16:50:04] <Sync> 2.6l 99kW :D
[16:50:05] <Sync> wow
[16:50:09] <Sync> such hp/l
[16:50:11] <PetefromTn_> but as I said I am a wierdo
[16:50:26] <PetefromTn_> whats 2.6l?
[16:51:46] <_methods> that pontiac aztec thing was pretty ugly
[16:51:59] <_methods> i put that up there with miata's and fieros
[16:52:14] <PetefromTn_> heh you don't like the miata either then
[16:52:25] <_methods> no i think they're embarassing
[16:52:34] <_methods> unless you're a teen age girl
[16:52:42] <PetefromTn_> thats kinda funny because it happens to be one of the most loved and modified cars ever made
[16:52:55] <Sync> PetefromTn_: the engine capacity
[16:53:04] <PetefromTn_> Sync of what?
[16:53:13] <Sync> the v6 in the fiero
[16:53:20] <PetefromTn_> it was 2.5
[16:53:24] <PetefromTn_> v6
[16:53:36] <PetefromTn_> same that came in most of the Chevy S10 trucks
[16:53:47] <PetefromTn_> and yeah it was not known for lots of HP
[16:53:48] <Sync> 2.5 4banger and 2.8 v6
[16:53:59] <PetefromTn_> sorry that is correct
[16:54:00] <PetefromTn_> 2.8
[16:54:04] <PetefromTn_> not 2.6
[16:54:23] <PetefromTn_> the 2.5 was called the iron duke
[16:54:28] <Sync> lol 4.5k redline
[16:54:31] <Sync> what a pos
[16:54:34] <PetefromTn_> yup
[16:54:37] <PetefromTn_> like I said
[16:54:44] <PetefromTn_> it was not known for high HP
[16:54:54] <PetefromTn_> but neither were a lot of cars made at the time
[16:55:06] <PetefromTn_> the Corvette only had like 250hp in those years
[16:55:15] <_methods> those were dark days
[16:55:21] <_methods> mustang II............
[16:55:22] <PetefromTn_> the mustang was only 220
[16:55:25] <_methods> broncoII
[16:55:28] <_methods> ugh
[16:55:34] <PetefromTn_> mustang 2 was much earlier
[16:55:50] <_methods> still that whole era was turd central
[16:56:18] <PetefromTn_> that was when our goverment decided to cripple people with taxes if your car had any sort of HP
[16:56:33] <PetefromTn_> still I love the Fiero
[16:56:38] <PetefromTn_> it was an interesting car
[16:56:45] <PetefromTn_> and its is tons of fun to drive
[16:56:47] <_methods> hahah that's one way to put it
[16:57:01] <_methods> how many other mid engine cars are there
[16:57:11] <_methods> the list isn't exactly long is it?
[16:57:30] <PetefromTn_> ya know every time I parked it or went to the gas station in it I ALWAYS had to have a 20 minute conversation about it with a complete stranger
[16:57:42] <_methods> hahah
[16:57:49] <PetefromTn_> asking me about it and telling me about how he had one way back when
[16:57:56] <_methods> drive a fiero, have random conversations with people
[16:58:02] <PetefromTn_> pretty much
[16:59:10] <_methods> wasn't the fiero mid engine?
[16:59:12] <Sync> it doesn't seem like too much of a shitty car
[16:59:13] <Sync> it was
[16:59:25] <_methods> cause it's not even on the wiki list of mids
[16:59:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah mid engine
[16:59:27] <_methods> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-engine_design
[16:59:42] <PetefromTn_> I had a lot of fun driving mine
[16:59:47] <PetefromTn_> had three of them
[17:00:04] <_methods> lol
[17:00:10] <_methods> fiero got left out
[17:01:02] <PetefromTn_> if I could find another clean one for a decent price I would buy one
[17:01:35] <PetefromTn_> but freaking SSI had got me looking at 300ZX' s now so that may not happen
[17:01:45] <PetefromTn_> I like those too
[17:01:48] <_methods> yeah 300z is cool
[17:01:53] <PetefromTn_> and I like the miata as well
[17:01:58] <_methods> much cooler than fiero and gayata
[17:02:00] <PetefromTn_> especially modified ones
[17:02:09] <PetefromTn_> I disagree
[17:02:19] <_methods> its GAY
[17:02:26] <_methods> heheh
[17:02:37] <PetefromTn_> I like the 300z mostly because it is a 2+2 if you want
[17:02:46] <_methods> 300z is cool though
[17:02:49] <PetefromTn_> and it is a rather sleek looking car to begin with that has tee tops
[17:03:08] <_methods> your other car choices are however questionable at best
[17:03:10] <_methods> hahahah
[17:03:10] <PetefromTn_> and the place I am working can help me build it to be quite fast if I want to...
[17:03:33] <PetefromTn_> So glad you are the measure of what is and is not cool tho thanks ;)
[17:03:59] <_methods> hahah
[17:04:07] <_methods> i'm just bustin your ballz
[17:04:18] <PetefromTn_> now I know where to come to determine if the thing I want to get is cool or not
[17:04:30] <PetefromTn_> when in doubt just check with methods
[17:04:37] <_methods> i do consulting for GQ also lol
[17:04:39] <PetefromTn_> I mean shit he knows all right!
[17:04:45] <PetefromTn_> well there you go
[17:04:58] <PetefromTn_> I would not do ANYTHING I see in GQ
[17:05:04] <_methods> hahah me either
[17:09:41] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/SspWcgE.jpg is this gay too? just checkin ;)
[17:10:00] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/2fpow9j.jpg
[17:10:26] <_methods> lol still gay zoolander
[17:10:43] <PetefromTn_> thats what I figured
[17:11:06] <PetefromTn_> LS powered Miata with custom everything and over 500hp....GAY check..
[17:11:22] <_methods> if you put a jet engine in there it'd still be gay
[17:11:35] <PetefromTn_> Oh absolutely
[17:12:11] <PetefromTn_> you do know that it is far and away the most popular vehicle for amateur road racing and things like that
[17:12:22] <_methods> i actually have no idea
[17:12:25] <PetefromTn_> one of the best handling cars ever made
[17:12:47] <PetefromTn_> almost a perfect handling balance right out of the box
[17:13:07] <PetefromTn_> just sayin' ;)
[17:13:20] <_methods> i'll have to take your word because i honestly have no idea
[17:13:37] <_methods> but it's still gay lol
[17:13:39] <_methods> hahahahha
[17:13:54] <_methods> :p
[17:13:55] <PetefromTn_> oh you don't have to take my word on it...
[17:14:26] <PetefromTn_> but to be honest my wife thinks its gay too LOL
[17:14:36] <_methods> when i was in the army there was this guy in the barracks that had a miata
[17:14:43] <_methods> and we used to harass him endlessly
[17:14:52] <PetefromTn_> I am sure he appreciated that
[17:14:56] <_methods> and he had it all souped up and tricked out with 5 point harnesses
[17:15:22] <PetefromTn_> there is a rather large Miata club contingent here that routinely runs the tail of the dragon
[17:15:33] <PetefromTn_> many of them have been repowered
[17:15:38] * Tom_itx puts Jymmm in charge of the AM wakeup pics
[17:15:58] <PetefromTn_> most have significant suspension mods and rollcages etc.
[17:16:05] <_methods> it's funny he would go on about how awesome that car was
[17:16:08] <_methods> yeah he had roll cages
[17:16:14] <PetefromTn_> they are quite fast thru the 318 turns in 11 miles
[17:16:19] <Tom_itx> did you see the vid of daddy dave rolling his nice chevy ii?
[17:16:32] <PetefromTn_> who is daddy dave?
[17:16:45] <Tom_itx> google it you know who he is
[17:16:58] <_methods> one day like 6 of us picked it up and carried it up a hill and left it there lol
[17:17:14] <PetefromTn_> oh you mean big chief
[17:17:20] <Tom_itx> no i don't
[17:17:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah that was a bad wreck
[17:17:54] <PetefromTn_> it rolled in the quarter like five times right?
[17:18:04] <Tom_itx> yeah at least
[17:19:05] <PetefromTn_> I know I have some wierd views of what is a cool vehicle
[17:19:25] <PetefromTn_> I remember one day I was driving to work in my Lifted Rock Crawler suzuki Samuria
[17:19:31] <Tom_itx> i always liked those chevy ii and the boxy nova
[17:19:32] <PetefromTn_> and this guy pulls up next to me in his car
[17:19:40] <PetefromTn_> and he rolls down his window
[17:19:47] <PetefromTn_> and yells to get my attention
[17:19:53] <PetefromTn_> I roll down my passenger window
[17:20:06] <PetefromTn_> he goes hey man did you know those things flip over all the time!!
[17:20:18] <PetefromTn_> you must be fuckin' nutz to actually lift one
[17:20:28] <PetefromTn_> I laughed and smiled
[17:20:32] <PetefromTn_> and drove away
[17:20:43] <_methods> they make great rock crawlers dont' they?
[17:20:57] <PetefromTn_> they are pretty unbelievable when properly built
[17:21:08] <Tom_itx> i wish i could remember the name of that hill they all climb...
[17:21:11] <PetefromTn_> they suffer from a too short wheelbase a bit
[17:21:20] <Tom_itx> and fall...
[17:21:24] <PetefromTn_> but in tight spots here in TN and many other places
[17:21:36] <PetefromTn_> they are hard to beat
[17:21:41] <PetefromTn_> which is why now
[17:21:43] <PetefromTn_> a rusted out
[17:21:46] <PetefromTn_> beat up
[17:21:49] <PetefromTn_> piece of shit
[17:21:52] <PetefromTn_> samurai
[17:21:58] <PetefromTn_> can sell on craigslist
[17:22:01] <PetefromTn_> for like $5k
[17:22:31] <PetefromTn_> because unfortunately the word is out and people know now so everyone wants to build one
[17:22:46] <PetefromTn_> I have built like six of them now
[17:23:04] <Tom_itx> but did you build a lathe today??
[17:23:13] <PetefromTn_> my wife wants me to get another one so we can play in the snow again
[17:23:28] <PetefromTn_> no mr. project planner
[17:23:35] <PetefromTn_> I did not built a lathe today
[17:26:17] <Tom_itx> you got all the parts now though don't you?
[17:26:26] <Tom_itx> except a VFD
[17:26:26] <PetefromTn_> no
[17:26:30] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately
[17:26:35] <PetefromTn_> I still need the VFD
[17:26:40] <PetefromTn_> and a ballscrew for the Z
[17:26:47] <PetefromTn_> and some misc odds and ends
[17:26:54] <PetefromTn_> like some DB25 cables
[17:27:08] <PetefromTn_> assorted wire and whatnot
[17:27:15] <PetefromTn_> but I do have MOST of it here now
[17:27:37] <PetefromTn_> Still need to finish the painting of the lathe body
[17:27:45] <PetefromTn_> and I can start installing the new stuff.
[17:28:45] <_methods> ugh that sounds like work
[17:29:18] <PetefromTn_> well it kinda is ;)
[17:29:55] <PetefromTn_> I got a bunch of rails to machine and was planning to do it tongiht but now apparently we have to go shopping for thanksgiving party food for my wife's work LOL
[17:30:52] <PetefromTn_> its taken me a good amount of time to be able to afford to buy all that stuff lemme tell ya
[17:33:04] <PetefromTn_> anyone else building anything?
[17:33:19] <Tom_itx> nope, i wish i was
[17:33:25] <PetefromTn_> _methods have you used your new Tig yet?
[17:33:35] <Tom_itx> just learning more SW & CATIA
[17:33:36] <_methods> no lol
[17:33:39] <_methods> still at shop
[17:33:45] <_methods> i'm gonna move it this wknd
[17:33:51] <PetefromTn_> ah ok
[17:33:52] <_methods> still need torch and foot pedal
[17:34:01] <_methods> i ordered the foot pedal
[17:34:10] <_methods> but i need to pick a torch
[17:34:27] <_methods> still tryin to make up my mind on the torch and cables
[17:34:30] <PetefromTn_> how much was the foot pedal
[17:34:33] <_methods> $240
[17:34:42] <PetefromTn_> ouchie
[17:34:45] <_methods> yeah
[17:34:52] <_methods> welding foot pedals are stupid
[17:35:06] <_methods> we just got a syncrowave footpedal and it was $500
[17:35:06] <PetefromTn_> its not like they are some sorta complex mechanism hehe
[17:35:23] <_methods> yeah i'm gonna take mine apart when i get it and figure out how to make my own
[17:35:30] <_methods> then sell them for $140 lol
[17:35:32] <Tom_itx> probably just a pot inside
[17:35:37] <Tom_itx> with a return spring
[17:35:40] <PetefromTn_> its just a rheostat
[17:35:45] <PetefromTn_> and a return spring LOL
[17:35:52] <PetefromTn_> I have had mine apart
[17:35:57] <_methods> yeah it's silly
[17:36:07] <PetefromTn_> its just a big huge empty steel box
[17:36:10] <Tom_itx> market some for half the price
[17:36:14] <_methods> i have no idea why a syncrowave foot pedal costs $500
[17:36:26] <PetefromTn_> because it says SYNCHROWAVE
[17:36:43] <_methods> i have an old one at work i need to take apart and reverse
[17:36:44] <JT-Shop> I better take care of mine now that I know they cost $500
[17:36:52] <_methods> yeah they're not cheap
[17:37:08] <_methods> start breaking into shops and stealing foot pedals
[17:37:19] <_methods> hmmm someone broke in but i don't think they took anything
[17:37:27] <_methods> ermahgerd all out foot pedals are gone
[17:37:32] <_methods> our
[17:37:37] <PetefromTn_> oh wait my pedals gone AAAAAAHHHHHHHH
[17:37:42] <_methods> hahahah
[17:38:19] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty much how I felt when I broke my footpedal LOL
[17:38:35] <Wolf_> guess I need to bolt my pedal down to the floor in the shop
[17:38:47] <_methods> the foot pedal bandit
[17:39:06] <PetefromTn_> I broke the plug on mine that goes into the machine once
[17:39:16] <PetefromTn_> I was pushing the machine around in the shop after a job
[17:39:24] <PetefromTn_> and the cables were lying on the floor
[17:39:28] <_methods> yeah those are some whacky plugs
[17:39:37] <PetefromTn_> so I accidentally stood on the cable while I pushed the machine
[17:39:37] <_methods> you got the 3 and 2 pin plugs?
[17:39:41] <Sync> I want one that is not so damn huge
[17:39:42] <PetefromTn_> and I hear a CRACK
[17:40:05] <PetefromTn_> and had to spend the next two days researching L-tec foot pedal plugs
[17:40:20] <_methods> yeah they're some obscure hubbel plugs
[17:40:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah I can't remember how many pins
[17:40:22] <Sync> I replaced mine with some series 3 milspec thing
[17:40:26] <Wolf_> I needed the plug for a spool gun on the miller 210, plug was made by amp, took me 3 days to find it
[17:40:39] <PetefromTn_> it is some sort of plastic barrel plug
[17:40:45] <_methods> they do that shit on purpose so you have to buy it from them
[17:40:46] <PetefromTn_> push and twist
[17:40:58] <_methods> they make proprietary plug designs
[17:41:01] <PetefromTn_> well it turns out it is actually a commercial plug so that is good
[17:41:15] <_methods> yeah the one is a 3 pin push and twist
[17:41:16] <PetefromTn_> I did not buy it from L-tec or whoever they are now
[17:41:27] <Sync> better than the flimsy shit that is on the chinese ones
[17:41:30] <_methods> hubbel makes the ltec plugs i believe
[17:41:31] <PetefromTn_> Oh well gotta head to the store...
[17:41:35] <Sync> replaced that with a hirschmann pretty quick :D
[17:41:39] <PetefromTn_> talk later
[17:41:43] <_methods> later zoolander
[17:41:48] <PetefromTn_> _methods MIATAS RULE!!!!
[17:41:52] <_methods> hahahah
[17:43:56] <_methods> Sync: you have a chinese welder?
[17:44:00] <_methods> or just foot pedal
[17:44:20] <Sync> both
[17:44:57] <_methods> is it any good?
[17:45:03] <Sync> yes
[17:45:12] <_methods> which kind you have?
[17:46:16] <Sync> hard to say, as they are all different
[17:46:26] <Sync> I think it shares a platform with this thing
http://www.longevity-inc.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/700x700/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/t/i/tigweld-200sx-igbt-main-600x600.jpg
[17:47:08] <_methods> that pedal doesn't look too bad
[17:47:24] <Sync> I don't have one like that
[17:47:30] <_methods> oh
[17:47:32] <Sync> I have this sheet metal box with the thing on top
[17:48:31] <_methods> how much was it?
[17:49:04] <Sync> 250€ or something used
[17:49:38] <_methods> well that's not bad
[17:49:51] <_methods> that's about $400 i think
[17:50:10] <_methods> oh nm
[17:50:19] <_methods> i guess the euro isn't worth much anymore lol
[17:50:22] <_methods> $266
[17:50:24] <Sync> currently about 280$ or something
[17:50:25] <Sync> yeah
[17:51:18] <_methods> poor euro
[17:51:42] <_methods> did greece do that lol
[17:52:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: LOL
[18:27:41] <zeeshan|2> hi friends
[18:28:40] <Sync> what up
[18:31:28] <zeeshan|2> modding the cnc mill
[18:32:07] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/46vO9a9.jpg
[18:32:13] <zeeshan|2> it finally has a Z axis way cover
[18:32:13] <zeeshan|2> :D
[18:32:40] <Wolf_> shiny
[18:36:34] <jthornton> finally got my recipe pages updated to HTML5 and CSS3 :)
[18:36:59] <_methods> welcome to the 2010
[18:37:00] <_methods> lol
[18:37:22] <jthornton> I don't want to get cut you know
[18:37:32] <_methods> google block you out
[18:37:42] <_methods> you go ssl
[18:37:50] <_methods> hehe
[18:38:08] <jthornton> what you mean jellybean
[18:38:17] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you need more links on your page
[18:38:26] <jthornton> which page
[18:38:33] <Tom_itx> like the log splitter and other things you've built
[18:38:54] <jthornton> still working on getting a cron job to upload my photos at night
[18:39:03] <jthornton> working on that as we type
[18:39:25] <Tom_itx> is it stacking wood for you yet?
[18:39:46] <jthornton> no, but maybe a robot arm could run the splitter for me
[18:40:55] <_methods> you need to get one of those clay pigeon launcher arms and attach it to the end where the logs split
[18:41:07] <_methods> and it flings the firewood into a stack
[18:41:25] <jthornton> I have one, what a good idea
[18:41:29] <_methods> hahah
[19:34:48] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: how goes the machining of that 3 rotor
[19:35:13] <PetefromTn_> aah have not even started it yet
[19:37:33] <zeeshan|2> i got a z way cover man
[19:37:33] <zeeshan|2> finally
[19:37:41] <zeeshan|2> stupid expensive and had to come from germany
[19:38:04] <PetefromTn_> I am sure
[19:38:13] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/46vO9a9.jpg
[19:38:16] <zeeshan|2> way nicer though now
[19:38:21] <zeeshan|2> no more headache of getting crap on the way
[19:38:29] <zeeshan|2> and having to clean them vigorously after every job
[19:38:58] <PetefromTn_> they had a bit of a setback yesterday at work
[19:39:10] <zeeshan|2> what happened
[19:39:28] <PetefromTn_> they brought back that red car after it got a couple hundred road miles on it
[19:39:55] <PetefromTn_> and the owner wanted to get a bit more streetable tune tentative tune on it
[19:40:04] <PetefromTn_> so they put er on the dynojet
[19:40:13] <zeeshan|2> i know where this is going
[19:40:13] <PetefromTn_> and while they were making a pull
[19:40:17] <zeeshan|2> apex seal out
[19:40:27] <PetefromTn_> one of the fuel pumps ground broke somehow
[19:40:38] <PetefromTn_> and the car leaned out pretty good
[19:40:45] <PetefromTn_> apex seals are fine
[19:40:53] <PetefromTn_> all seals actually were fine
[19:41:00] <PetefromTn_> but the motor detonated
[19:41:15] <zeeshan|2> rotaries can't take a single detonation effect
[19:41:18] <zeeshan|2> there is damage
[19:41:21] <zeeshan|2> just dont know it yet
[19:41:26] <PetefromTn_> we pulled it apart today
[19:41:27] <zeeshan|2> compression will be low on one rotor
[19:41:31] <PetefromTn_> it was
[19:41:37] <zeeshan|2> that means a cracked apex seal
[19:41:42] <PetefromTn_> we looked at the rotors
[19:41:45] <PetefromTn_> seals were fine
[19:41:57] <PetefromTn_> the rotors face has a big dent in it now
[19:42:06] <PetefromTn_> both of them actually
[19:42:18] <PetefromTn_> the pressure actually deformed the face of the rotor
[19:42:36] <zeeshan|2> hm
[19:42:40] <PetefromTn_> the good news is that ALL SEALS survived the catastrophe
[19:42:49] <PetefromTn_> and the irons are undamaged
[19:43:01] <PetefromTn_> the cylinders appear to be fine
[19:43:27] <PetefromTn_> they also found out that the peripheral port job they had some other shop do
[19:44:24] <PetefromTn_> where they insert aluminum tubes thru the cylinders to the rotor cavity and seal with an oring and JB weld
[19:44:44] <PetefromTn_> were weeping coolant into the combustion chamber
[19:45:00] <PetefromTn_> so it was NOT a good day over there today
[19:45:38] <PetefromTn_> I will probably have to machine some new rotors for them and then they will have to send them out for balancing etc.
[19:46:02] <PetefromTn_> the car has so much fuel going in it takes 2 seperate high flow fuel pumps
[19:46:16] <zeeshan|2> pretty typical on a car making 500+hp
[19:46:17] <PetefromTn_> loosing one was enough to lean it out
[19:46:20] <zeeshan|2> you usually gotta go duals
[19:46:48] <zeeshan|2> how does a ground fail
[19:46:49] <PetefromTn_> and as you well know ANY car that is turbo/blown cannot take a lean condition during a pull...
[19:46:51] <zeeshan|2> makes no sense
[19:46:54] <PetefromTn_> I dunno
[19:46:57] <zeeshan|2> that's not true
[19:47:00] <PetefromTn_> but that is what happened
[19:47:04] <zeeshan|2> a piston engine can take a more more than one deotnation event
[19:47:07] <zeeshan|2> before letting go
[19:47:09] <zeeshan|2> rotary goes on the first event
[19:47:13] <zeeshan|2> no matter how big or how small it is
[19:47:49] <PetefromTn_> I have seen PLENTY of pistons and rods bent and broken from leaning out
[19:48:05] <zeeshan|2> pete sigh
[19:48:06] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:48:09] <PetefromTn_> it sucks
[19:48:14] <PetefromTn_> but what are you gonna do
[19:48:29] <PetefromTn_> just glad nothing really catastrophic happened
[19:48:36] <zeeshan|2> it is pretty catastrophic
[19:48:40] <zeeshan|2> if you had to take the motor apart
[19:48:45] <PetefromTn_> it could have blown the rotor and destroyed the cases
[19:48:53] <PetefromTn_> naah
[19:49:02] <PetefromTn_> cars like this trying to make 1k
[19:49:14] <PetefromTn_> it is hit or miss sometimes
[19:50:09] <PetefromTn_> I know you have a low opinion of the rotaries
[19:50:17] <PetefromTn_> so I am not surprised by your comments
[19:50:20] <zeeshan|2> i've built enough
[19:50:23] <zeeshan|2> and dealt with enough
[19:50:25] <zeeshan|2> and tuned enough
[19:50:29] <zeeshan|2> i used to do it professionally
[19:50:45] <zeeshan|2> so that is why my opinion is the way it is
[19:50:52] <PetefromTn_> they have built quite a few since I have been there
[19:51:01] <PetefromTn_> most are just street cars
[19:51:04] <zeeshan|2> they never last more than 15,000 miles
[19:51:06] <PetefromTn_> making sub 500hp
[19:51:10] <zeeshan|2> if they're pushing more than 450hp
[19:51:23] <zeeshan|2> even in the most perfect setup, they start losing compression
[19:51:34] <PetefromTn_> the red car actually had been makine 750hp before
[19:51:45] <zeeshan|2> on what a dynojet?
[19:51:46] <PetefromTn_> he drove it for like 2 years
[19:51:51] <zeeshan|2> thats like 400 on a regular dyno
[19:51:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah dynojet
[19:51:59] <PetefromTn_> oh okay
[19:52:15] <zeeshan|2> true test is what did it run on the 1/4 mile
[19:52:20] <zeeshan|2> if its making 750hp
[19:52:23] <zeeshan|2> it should be running high 8's
[19:52:25] <zeeshan|2> to low 9's
[19:52:43] <PetefromTn_> youre kidding right
[19:53:16] <zeeshan|2> no.
[19:53:35] <PetefromTn_> well whatever
[19:53:36] <zeeshan|2> its simple math and traction
[19:53:39] <PetefromTn_> it is what it is
[19:53:58] <zeeshan|2> 2500 race weight, 400rwhp runs high 10s
[19:54:06] <zeeshan|2> at around 125 mph
[19:54:33] <PetefromTn_> so every car that makes 400hp will run 10's then?
[19:54:38] <zeeshan|2> if its 750hp and has not much traction in first and second, then it'll run low 10s at 135 mph
[19:54:41] <zeeshan|2> the trap gives it away
[19:54:53] <zeeshan|2> 135-145
[19:55:04] <zeeshan|2> if it's rwd and 2500lb
[19:55:05] <zeeshan|2> yes
[19:55:12] <zeeshan|2> and has traction in all gears
[19:55:34] <PetefromTn_> you love that the car had a problem huh
[19:55:34] <Sync> PetefromTn_: you could have built in some more sensors to keep the engine alive when that happens
[19:55:44] <zeeshan|2> not really
[19:55:47] <zeeshan|2> it means more money for you
[19:55:55] <zeeshan|2> and that is a good thing!
[19:56:02] <PetefromTn_> Sync the car runs a Haltec standalone
[19:56:16] <PetefromTn_> this happened in seconds during a pull
[19:56:19] <zeeshan|2> Sync: i advocated a long time ago
[19:56:25] <naja452> Hey all.
[19:56:27] <zeeshan|2> that ever rotary absolutely needs a pressure tranducer on it
[19:56:32] <zeeshan|2> for both rotors
[19:56:34] <zeeshan|2> to prevent det damage
[19:56:41] <Sync> two sensors on both fuel lines ;)
[19:56:49] <malcom2073> All the sensors everywhere!
[19:57:26] <zeeshan|2> fuel pressure sensors have no where as good response time as a pressure tranducer designed for combustion events
[19:57:27] <Sync> PetefromTn_: yeah, not sure what it can do, but I'd just have two analog monitors that look at the fuel pressure
[19:57:28] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda surprised at your comments zeeshan especially if you have built many cars as you say
[19:57:36] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: you need pics as proof?
[19:57:41] <zeeshan|2> =D
[19:57:43] <PetefromTn_> of what?
[19:57:49] <zeeshan|2> of all the rotaries ive built?!
[19:57:54] <zeeshan|2> from 3 rotors and 2 rotors
[19:58:00] <PetefromTn_> I don't need any proof
[19:58:09] <Sync> zeeshan|2: don't need no bandwidth
[19:58:22] <zeeshan|2> i built engines starting when i was 16!!
[19:58:25] <Sync> if the pressure dips below n bar for more than 10ms, kill it
[19:58:27] <zeeshan|2> all the way ttill 26!!
[19:58:28] <PetefromTn_> but if you have built them and as you say have had failures I am just surprised at your comments
[19:59:26] <Sync> tune muh 4g63t zeeshan|2 :3
[19:59:32] <zeeshan|2> sync gimme aem ems
[19:59:44] <Sync> that's not pro
[19:59:45] <PetefromTn_> I could have lied and told you rosy stories of awesome power but instead I told the truth and you just bash away at it...
[19:59:48] <Sync> I can give you a pectel
[19:59:59] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: no matter how good of a story you'll tel lme
[20:00:00] <naja452> So what's the general consensus on rack and pinion drive for a CNC router gantry?
[20:00:05] <zeeshan|2> itll never change my opinion about rotaries
[20:00:10] <zeeshan|2> they are a waste of money, and they always will be in my eyes
[20:00:15] <zeeshan|2> no matter how much 10000whp it's making
[20:00:18] <PetefromTn_> never tried to change your opinion
[20:00:29] <PetefromTn_> could not care to
[20:00:45] <zeeshan|2> sync i got some pics coming for you
[20:00:54] <zeeshan|2> but i warn, they are on photobucket
[20:00:58] <zeeshan|2> they will rape your bandwidth
[20:01:04] <PetefromTn_> but as someone who has built cars and knows the ups and downs I guess I just expected more from you.
[20:01:14] <zeeshan|2> there are no ups with a rotary
[20:01:18] <zeeshan|2> i take that back
[20:01:19] <PetefromTn_> BS
[20:01:21] <zeeshan|2> the upers are temporary
[20:01:24] <zeeshan|2> for 15,000 km
[20:01:24] <zeeshan|2> :D
[20:01:47] <PetefromTn_> ya know what
[20:01:51] <PetefromTn_> it was not my car
[20:01:55] <PetefromTn_> it was not my motor
[20:01:59] <PetefromTn_> its not my business
[20:02:00] <malcom2073> lol
[20:02:07] <PetefromTn_> what happened was not my fault
[20:02:13] <PetefromTn_> but I STILL felt terrible for them
[20:02:28] <zeeshan|2> http://s130.photobucket.com/user/turbozee84/media/null_zps2ec8671f.jpg.html?sort=3&o=203
[20:02:32] <zeeshan|2> dual fuel pumps yo!
[20:02:37] <PetefromTn_> as I would no matter what kind of motor went in the car
[20:03:28] <zeeshan|2> it does suck after you put a lot of hard to work into it
[20:04:12] <Sync> well, failures are part of the game
[20:04:39] <PetefromTn_> failures ARE part of the game when building high HP cars that much is a given
[20:04:39] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/wtf2.jpg
[20:04:42] <zeeshan|2> wow this pic is ancient
[20:04:53] <zeeshan|2> can you tell whats going on sync
[20:05:57] <Sync> huh, need to figure out what is what
[20:06:08] <zeeshan|2> lol i dunno why i was plotting crank trigger there
[20:06:22] <zeeshan|2> 16psi!!
[20:07:27] <Sync> no idea
[20:07:35] <zeeshan|2> just doing runs
[20:07:39] <zeeshan|2> and monitoring knock and o2
[20:07:44] <Sync> yeah
[20:07:47] <Sync> looks like it
[20:08:05] <Sync> PetefromTn_: also applies to racecars in general
[20:08:25] <zeeshan|2> man i was tuning this rotary once
[20:08:30] <Sync> I hated it when one of our drivers pancaked the wall hard because my dumb lca broke
[20:08:41] <zeeshan|2> afrs were 11.2:1
[20:08:53] <zeeshan|2> timing was excellent, drove it around great
[20:09:00] <zeeshan|2> got some gas
[20:09:01] <Sync> especially because we worked our balls off to get the car out to quali since it was crashed in FP
[20:09:09] <zeeshan|2> wide open throttled it, and i heard it right away
[20:09:15] <zeeshan|2> the dreaded 1 rotor noise, checked the log
[20:09:18] <zeeshan|2> 1 detonation event
[20:09:52] <zeeshan|2> Sync: as long he didnt pancake himself!
[20:10:51] <Sync> sure
[20:11:03] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: for what its worth
[20:11:05] <Sync> but that's pretty unlikely in that car
[20:11:14] <zeeshan|2> and im telling you this because i dont want you to go throug hthis
[20:11:22] <zeeshan|2> but becareful if someone asks you to bridgeport their engine
[20:11:40] <zeeshan|2> it becomes wayyyy to thin and is a ticking timebomb
[20:12:09] <Sync> but dem inertiaaaaa
[20:12:22] <Sync> zeeshan|2: did you see my mitsu fubar screws?
[20:18:26] <CaptHindsight> naja452: they tend to make sense when the travel is too long for a ballscrew
[20:19:42] <CaptHindsight> naja452: some use 2 servos with one preloading the other to keep lash as low as possible
[20:21:25] <zeeshan|2> no
[20:21:26] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 there are MANY many bridgeported cars running around
[20:21:35] <zeeshan|2> REALLY PETE?
[20:21:38] <zeeshan|2> tell about some!!
[20:21:52] <PetefromTn_> what do you want me to say
[20:21:59] <zeeshan|2> i want you to prove your statement
[20:22:06] <zeeshan|2> about the MANY bridgeport cars you know of!
[20:22:10] <zeeshan|2> there's SO MANY!!
[20:22:11] <CaptHindsight> whats a bridgeported car? A car welded to a bridgeport?
[20:22:12] <zeeshan|2> so lets see even one?
[20:22:21] <PetefromTn_> there are quite a few local here
[20:22:29] <zeeshan|2> whats a bridgeport?
[20:22:59] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight a bridgeported rotoray motor
[20:23:13] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight:
http://www.mazdarotary.net/images/tech_pics/portbdg.jpg
[20:23:14] <PetefromTn_> is a motor than has a port with two holes in the irons
[20:23:16] <zeeshan|2> it's this retarded shit
[20:23:22] <zeeshan|2> with like a 2mm bridge between em
[20:23:23] <PetefromTn_> seperated by a thin sliver of metal
[20:23:26] <zeeshan|2> ready to snap off
[20:23:30] <PetefromTn_> for the seal to go over
[20:25:00] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/ONMUl0I.jpg
[20:25:20] <PetefromTn_> looks like that
[20:29:27] <PetefromTn_> I think I am done sharing car stuff we do at work here I will just try to stick to CNC conversation. it leads to too many arguments and animosity.
[20:30:43] <bz> do delta robots carry enough rigidity for milling stuff?
[20:31:17] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/autowagens/cao/crack.jpg zeeshan|2
[20:31:29] <zeeshan|2> howd you manage that sync
[20:31:40] <zeeshan|2> never seen a bolt do that
[20:32:55] <malcom2073> Hmm, is there any kind of way oil (vactra #2 for instance) that can be had locally (hardware store type of stuff), or is that pretty much only in the realm of online-only sorta stuff?
[20:33:01] <Sync> straight from the package zeeshan|2
[20:33:09] <zeeshan|2> no malcom2073
[20:33:11] <malcom2073> bz: If you build them rigid enough, sure
[20:33:12] <Sync> malcom2073: visit your local lube dealer
[20:33:17] <zeeshan|2> Sync: wow
[20:33:25] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 sometimes you can buy this stuff at auto parts suppliers
[20:33:51] <malcom2073> What am I looking for in terms of an oil?
[20:33:56] <zeeshan|2> "way lube"
[20:34:00] <zeeshan|2> its like hydraulic fluid
[20:34:02] <zeeshan|2> but has tackifiers
[20:34:09] <zeeshan|2> put some betewen you fingers
[20:34:14] <zeeshan|2> it comes apart like chewing gum
[20:34:17] <malcom2073> Sync: I'd like to find a lube dealer, but unsure if there are any near here, not that I've found :P
[20:34:25] <Sync> PetefromTn_: pfft, gotta develop a thicker skin on the interwobs
[20:34:27] <zeeshan|2> where are you?
[20:34:32] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: East coast USA
[20:34:40] <zeeshan|2> thats a mighty big area :P
[20:34:47] <malcom2073> Shrewsbury, PA
[20:34:50] <Sync> usually regular heating oil suppliers can order stuff like that
[20:35:05] <zeeshan|2> dude
[20:35:07] <zeeshan|2> msc is in pa
[20:35:10] <malcom2073> Well if I'm gonna order it I can order it, wanted it before this weekend though so that's why I wanted to run around and find something
[20:35:11] <zeeshan|2> just order it from there?!: d
[20:35:18] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: 2 hours away, I could do that
[20:35:33] <PetefromTn_> Sync maybe
[20:35:45] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: i had a hard time finding in ain industrial town!
[20:35:46] <Sync> malcom2073: applied industrial?
[20:35:51] <zeeshan|2> i looked at various machine tool suppliers
[20:35:54] <zeeshan|2> none of them carried
[20:35:57] <zeeshan|2> then i found this awesome lube shop
[20:36:01] <zeeshan|2> which carries all sorts of lubes
[20:36:13] <zeeshan|2> i had to buy a 5 gallon pail, but it was only $65 cad
[20:36:41] <malcom2073> Sync: Does not look like the kind of place that has a walk-in store heh
[20:36:51] <Sync> does it have to?
[20:36:55] <Sync> just call them up
[20:37:02] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 I don't know why you would not just order it online
[20:37:03] <zeeshan|2> 2 hours away kinda seems far :D
[20:37:04] <malcom2073> For me to walk in and buy something? yeah
[20:37:07] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: I can
[20:37:13] <Sync> I guess nobody does industrial lubes retail
[20:37:18] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: But I said earlier, I'd like to have it before this weekend
[20:37:19] <Sync> or rather with a big retail store
[20:37:22] <malcom2073> which means I'd have to pick it up somewhere
[20:37:25] <PetefromTn_> useenco sells that stuff pretty cheap
[20:37:27] <Sync> just call them and drive by
[20:37:40] <Sync> I just go to my shell rep
[20:37:45] <PetefromTn_> if you order it from Mcmaster carr you might have it by tomorrow afternoon
[20:37:54] <Sync> but we have a shell blend plant here
[20:37:56] <PetefromTn_> depending on where you are
[20:37:59] <zeeshan|2> its nice to go through the effort of finding that stuff locally
[20:38:03] <zeeshan|2> cause shipping is annoying to wait for
[20:38:23] <malcom2073> Yeah shipping is the tough part, iirc you have to ship that stuff ground
[20:38:49] <Sync> zeeshan|2: asked my mech prof about that shit
[20:38:58] <zeeshan|2> whatd he say
[20:39:00] <malcom2073> I'll call the MSC up, they don't carry very much in stock, but they might have that
[20:39:00] <zeeshan|2> forging fail?
[20:39:09] <Sync> he said that the plant does not have the process in line, they are quenching failures
[20:39:17] <Sync> apparently it is common to droplet spray the screws
[20:39:25] <CaptHindsight> when I was kid and wanted a V8 we had to weld 4 harley engines together (and they actually ran smoother that way)
[20:39:26] <Sync> and if you squirt them too hard, that happens
[20:39:28] <zeeshan|2> i believe it
[20:39:36] <zeeshan|2> now that you mention that
[20:39:41] <zeeshan|2> it does look like a quench failure
[20:39:46] <zeeshan|2> not a forging fail
[20:39:48] <Sync> yes
[20:40:01] <Sync> it is pretty obvious, but he was suprised that they went through QA
[20:40:11] <Sync> especially considering that they are a critical bolt
[20:40:26] <Sync> although the car industry does not really care for stuff like that
[20:40:40] <zeeshan|2> qa is a bunch of unskilled labor..
[20:40:47] <zeeshan|2> in my exp.
[20:40:56] <malcom2073> Now that you mentioned industrial lube, I looked that up there's a commercial industrial lube shop up in york, not too far
[20:40:59] <malcom2073> I'll try them too
[20:41:29] <Sync> he said, that for critical screws you usually have inline ultrasonics
[20:41:43] <Sync> VW does that for headbolts/blocks and cylinder heads
[20:41:57] <zeeshan|2> were those oem mitsu bolts?
[20:42:00] <Sync> you put in two probes, they do their magic and you know if it is good or not
[20:42:01] <Sync> yes
[20:42:04] <zeeshan|2> wow
[20:42:13] <zeeshan|2> unlike japanese quality..
[20:42:15] <zeeshan|2> interesting!
[20:42:27] <Sync> the ziploc says made in the netherlands
[20:42:55] <Sync> so maybe the dutch had too many energy cigs QAing them
[20:43:03] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:43:20] <Sync> the dealer did not know what to say
[20:44:11] <Sync> these are 12.9 btw, used to mount the rear calipers
[20:45:23] <Sync> I mean, what could possibly go wrong if they failed....
[20:45:29] <zeeshan> i missed some chat
[20:46:00] <Sync> the dealer did not know what to say
[20:46:03] <Sync> these are 12.9 btw, used to mount the rear calipers
[20:46:10] <zeeshan> ah
[20:54:18] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sOQMr-rwzu0
[20:54:22] <zeeshan> rofl i like this guys video title
[20:59:44] <Sync> wot
[21:00:21] <Jymmmm> where be the car-ba-tat-or?
[21:01:27] * Tom_itx sweeps the m's off the floor
[21:05:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Now you have m&m&m&m's
[21:05:44] <Tom_itx> mmmm
[21:05:57] <Sync> nomnom
[21:08:29] <zeeshan> how is it already 10pm?
[21:08:55] <Tom_itx> it isn't
[21:09:01] <zeeshan> almost!
[21:10:48] <Sync> it is like 3:44 in the morning here
[21:10:59] <zeeshan> go to sleep1
[21:11:03] <zeeshan> man after all this rotary talk
[21:11:09] <zeeshan> i have an itch to build one
[21:11:15] <Sync> I can't
[21:11:18] <Sync> muh back hurts
[21:11:18] <zeeshan> why
[21:17:02] <Jymmm> Sync: Lidoderm Patch
[21:17:49] <Sync> nah, actually not really back pain, just exhaustion
[21:19:04] <Tom_itx> hit your thumb with a big hammer and your back won't hurt anymore
[22:14:32] <Duc> Hello
[22:15:35] <Duc> How difficult would it be to write a driver for the Mechatronics-II protocol?
[22:38:20] <renesis> whats mechatronics-ii prototocol?
[22:41:49] <Duc> its a open protocol for communcations to a servopack like ethercat but rs-485 based
[22:42:23] <renesis> neat
[23:14:55] <jesseg> Tom_itx, ahh cool, thanks!
