#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-11-17

[00:08:47] <Jymmm> *sigh* Some people just should not be able to touch tools https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LgArTl_BSU
[00:10:39] <Jymmm> welding zinc and galvanized, then suggesting to use jb weld for stove pipe sealing
[00:12:40] <Jymmm> OH, and installing the pipe sections wrong, but that is gotcha so doens't count =)
[00:28:50] <jesseg> Is it normal for the N numbers to repeat in a program?
[02:20:48] <Deejay> moin
[02:28:24] <Jymmm> WOW !!! Look at the heat marks on the exhaust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLLYa1AbZHs
[02:30:47] <Deejay> hi jymmm
[02:30:59] <Jymmm> Hey Deejay, how ya doin?
[02:32:04] <Deejay> fine fine, but weather is shitty ;)
[02:32:55] <Jymmm> Deejay: where are you??
[02:33:02] <Deejay> good ol' germany
[02:33:36] <Deejay> autumn has arrived ;) wind, rain, cold. brrr
[02:33:44] <Jymmm> Ah. It's warm out tonight... 35F =)
[02:34:26] <Deejay> hmm, about 48F here
[02:34:52] <Jymmm> Was 30F last night and this morning
[02:35:00] <Deejay> you live at the north pole? ;)
[02:35:19] <Deejay> alaska? ;)
[02:35:20] <Jymmm> Close, Northern California, in the forest
[02:35:32] <Jymmm> about 3000ft elevation
[02:36:08] <Deejay> sierra nevada?
[02:36:24] <Jymmm> Very close to them, yes.
[02:36:33] <Deejay> ah, i see
[02:39:33] <Deejay> at my location here, its plain... about 80 meters above sea level, no hills, no mountains
[03:56:45] <gonzo_> anyone live in here with experience of mesa cards and pwm gen outputs??
[03:58:20] <gonzo_> when the gen is enabled, it looks like the just pwm pin goes high, ratrher than starting at 0v and pwm'ing from 0v to to 5v for full speed
[03:58:50] <gonzo_> is the pwm pin inverse?
[04:29:31] <archivist> pwm is a pulse train
[04:42:21] <XXCoder> my van is having some awesome stalling
[04:42:24] <XXCoder> heavy rain
[04:56:15] <gonzo_> archivist, it looks like when the pwm gen is enabled, the pwm pin goes high. I do get what looks like some PWM'ing when I try a movement
[04:56:38] <gonzo_> so wondering if the pwm line is inverted as standatd
[04:57:11] <gonzo_> I was hoping it would be 0v, then pwm up to 100% high for max motor speed
[05:00:19] <gonzo_> I couldeasilly invert the line in hardware, but that would leave the motor running max when the sw is not running
[05:01:51] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/drivers/hostmot2.html#_pwmgen
[05:02:03] <archivist> see docs it is an option
[05:03:36] <gonzo_> I did try invert_output. But I got the error that it was not a known parap (I thgink that was the error)
[05:04:00] <gonzo_> though I'm not sure of the syntax I should be using
[05:12:35] <gonzo_> parap - read, param
[06:45:44] <Tom_itx> jesseg, not normal but probably from a hand edit and won't hurt anything
[06:55:32] * Jymmm feeds the fire and tosses a dog biscuit to Tom_itx
[07:50:26] <Tom_itx> shhh
[09:34:35] <jdh> how are you measuring the pwm line?
[10:13:21] <Jymmm> This is funny and fucked up all at the same time... http://www.theonion.com/article/china-unable-recruit-hackers-fast-enough-keep-vuln-51719
[10:17:54] <Sync> lul outsorcing to russia
[10:26:42] <anomynous> crispy waffles for sale.
[11:15:26] <naja452> Hey, all.
[12:13:20] <maxcnc> hi from the stormy germany
[12:15:02] <maxcnc> jdh: are you here ?
[12:16:10] <maxcnc> pcw_home: is it posibel to get the old software of the 7i76 back into the system
[12:16:14] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: not stormy here
[12:16:19] <Loetmichel> (OF)
[12:16:27] <maxcnc> ZW
[12:18:04] <maxcnc> 110km/h für heute nacht
[12:21:27] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: i was in the german navvy
[12:21:44] <Loetmichel> 110km is a "slow breeze" when you know the skaggerak
[12:21:45] <Loetmichel> ;)
[12:22:49] <maxcnc> been on Hermelin P6123 at 40Nots
[12:24:13] <jdh> yes?
[12:24:38] <maxcnc> tid you refit the thcud from the repros
[12:24:44] <Loetmichel> <- p6056 Theseus
[12:26:13] <jdh> not me. typo perhaps
[12:26:48] <maxcnc> John thornton
[12:27:29] <maxcnc> maybe its JT_shop
[12:28:00] <maxcnc> JT-Shop: are you on
[12:28:20] <pcw_home> maxcnc: the old 7I76 firmware will not make any difference,
[12:28:22] <pcw_home> I think you must have changed the linuxcnc version at the same time
[12:29:05] <maxcnc> im back to 2.5.4 the only way to get the mashine to work
[12:29:16] <maxcnc> it broke down 5+ times today
[12:29:27] <maxcnc> i changed the intire powersystem
[12:29:50] <maxcnc> from 5i25 to 7i76 is now downjumperd and TB3 in use
[12:30:19] <maxcnc> stabalised by another 18000µF Elko
[12:31:22] <maxcnc> the plasma has been for testing powerd from a othere Factory Wall to Wall powersystem to see if that has effects differend powerliones
[12:32:07] <maxcnc> nothing at all i got 3 intire identical systems the others have never been touched at all and running stabel
[12:32:50] <maxcnc> since the one i updated to 2.8master and have been forced to update the 5i25 7i76 software is now a bustard
[12:33:49] <maxcnc> the system shots down intire now bevor resetting the power it only brok down the 5i25 7i76 but now totaly fail
[12:34:07] <maxcnc> pc off monitor off all systems on that powerline go off
[12:34:33] <maxcnc> there is nothing on dmesg at all
[12:35:07] <maxcnc> i can run the mashine without m3 for as long as i will i stopt after 20 min nothing on dmesg
[12:37:09] <maxcnc> ill keep it that way waiting for the 7i76e to arrive
[12:38:19] <maxcnc> i think the 7i76 got somthing electrical failure as i got output 0 and 1 always 24V i cand controlll them now
[12:38:51] <maxcnc> but they show in hal as normal work
[12:39:15] <pcw_home> Its probably not power related but rather electrical noise in the cable from the 5I25 to the 7I76
[12:39:58] <maxcnc> i changed that also using only the 3 cabels you provide
[12:40:28] <maxcnc> the old mashines now got 10ft cabels and dont show the effect
[12:41:35] <maxcnc> as you said i gronded all the brackets on the system to the powersupply grond not the V-
[12:41:46] <pcw_home> Very likely a ground loop, as I said before if you have "Extra Character" errors
[12:41:48] <pcw_home> that means you have more than about 1.4V is difference in the 7I76
[12:41:49] <pcw_home> ground and 5I25 ground
[12:42:19] <maxcnc> 5i25 ground is the shield
[12:42:30] <maxcnc> on the Db25
[12:42:55] <pcw_home> this does meant quite a bit of HF current through the DB25 cable since it has 17 ground wires and a shield
[12:42:56] <maxcnc> i meshured that with a neter
[12:43:41] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: Werde GG in english
[12:44:36] <maxcnc> im out of my elektronic knolige on this failure to mesure
[12:46:09] <maxcnc> there can only now be noice over the sepperdrivers to the 75V powersuply the rest is isolated to the mashinery
[12:46:54] <maxcnc> ok the switches may be at 14meters cabel length on the plasma coudt get also HF
[12:47:34] <maxcnc> pcw_home: the 1,4V on the 5V or on the Vfield
[12:48:01] <maxcnc> 5V logic powersupply
[12:55:08] <pcw_home> This is 1.4V is RF noise from ground loop currents
[12:56:13] <maxcnc> can i mesure that
[12:57:24] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: GG?
[12:57:31] <pcw_home> also look an the grounding on the 7I76 end
[12:57:32] <pcw_home> its probably better that nothing be tied to 7I76 ground at the 7I76 (except isolated step drive wires etc)
[12:57:34] <pcw_home> Powering the 7I76 5V from the PC is also better from a noise standpoint
[12:58:12] <pcw_home> (grounding of the field I/O doesn't matter since its all isolated)
[12:58:54] <maxcnc> so its all in the pc to 7i76 lines
[12:59:43] <maxcnc> the 7i76 cabel runs about 1meter from the plasma source in distence
[13:00:35] <maxcnc> is it posibel to shield a cabel itself with foam or whatever
[13:00:52] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: Grungelbes 230Volt kabel
[13:02:09] <Loetmichel> you mean "protection earth"
[13:02:28] <Loetmichel> or PE as it is called in german as in english ;)
[13:06:28] <maxcnc> thank you
[13:07:25] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: how to isolate a long wire from the air bottem wall ... as you are a more electrishen as i coudt ever bee
[13:07:46] <maxcnc> its the DB25 cabel at 10ft
[13:07:47] <Loetmichel> air bottom wall?
[13:08:19] <maxcnc> pcw saiing i got RF HF noicy signals so i need to do somthing but how can this be done
[13:08:19] <archivist> screened?
[13:08:45] <archivist> or flat IDC cable
[13:09:01] <maxcnc> there are 4pasmas in the shop about 20 other mashines
[13:09:23] <maxcnc> its the ieee1284 cabel
[13:09:35] <archivist> really need to learn grounding and screening
[13:10:11] <archivist> and how a cable screen can be an antenna
[13:11:12] <maxcnc> archivist it may start with the fastener plate of the backside from the pc that can take that amound from the air
[13:11:43] <maxcnc> where the 5i25 is pluged in this is a quite large steel plate from the pc frame
[13:17:39] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: if there are 4 plasma cutters in the same room: use PLENTY of shielding
[13:18:02] <Loetmichel> and a shitload (sorry) of ferrite beads
[13:20:06] <gonzo_nb> is that an SI unit?
[13:20:33] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: look at this for example: (its my cable for the HF spindle) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12560
[13:21:14] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12512 <- looked like this beforehand ;)
[13:21:33] <Loetmichel> gonzo_nb: in my company it is
[13:22:39] <archivist> how many shitloads fill a barn
[13:22:42] <Loetmichel> last order from the customer for 120 12" TFT POS displays with touchsreen used more than 2400 ferrite clips on the cabling alone ;-)
[13:23:19] <Loetmichel> and another 7 internal to the device ;)
[13:23:24] <Loetmichel> to each device
[13:23:44] <maxcnc> ok thanks but it will be difficuld to get this steel frame shiled to a DB25 ready made
[13:24:37] <Loetmichel> you can buy these "abschirmgewebe-schlauch" that will fit over a DB25 and still fit the cable
[13:25:20] <Loetmichel> just see to it that you use at least 2 layers and clamp it REALLY hard to one or both ends of the machine frames
[13:25:28] <Loetmichel> test which works better
[13:25:49] <Loetmichel> sometimes one end grounding works better sometimes 2 ends are the best solution
[13:28:22] <zeeshan|2> drill 10 ft hole in ground
[13:28:25] <zeeshan|2> attach rod
[13:28:28] <zeeshan|2> problem solved
[13:28:31] <zeeshan|2> :D
[13:28:41] <zeeshan|2> earth likes to eat electrons
[13:28:49] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: where can i get this in germany
[13:29:01] <maxcnc> reichelt seams to not have this
[13:29:17] <Loetmichel> i would try Rs components or fanell
[13:29:31] <Loetmichel> we order it by the pallet in china ;)
[13:31:23] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2
[13:32:14] <Tom_itx> how would you draw a safety pin in sw? the coil is easy but i need wires coming off the spring
[13:32:29] <Tom_itx> safety pin is just an example of what i need
[13:34:16] <archivist> you can extrude along a curved path
[13:34:38] <Tom_itx> i need to get the spiral drawn before i can do that though
[13:35:01] <Tom_itx> sw creates a helix as a solid
[13:35:10] <Tom_itx> not a line path
[13:35:16] <_methods> 3d sketch
[13:35:21] <archivist> helix, extrude the circle along that then off the end whatever you need
[13:36:00] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: EMV-Geflechtschlauch mit UL94V0-Klassifizierung HEGEMIPV006
[13:36:17] <_methods> bless you
[13:36:18] <Loetmichel> link?
[13:36:20] <Tom_itx> _methods, where do you select 3d sketch?
[13:36:29] <_methods> it's a drop down in sketch
[13:36:43] <_methods> you should see a little arrow under sketch
[13:37:12] <_methods> i'd start with my spiral then add the clip and pin side after that
[13:37:41] <Tom_itx> don't see that option yet
[13:38:07] <_methods> you can also go to tools and select 3d sketch
[13:38:18] <_methods> oops insert
[13:38:20] <_methods> sorry not tools
[13:38:30] <archivist> also depends what version you are running
[13:38:48] <_methods> insert>3dsketch which is just below sketch
[13:39:09] <Tom_itx> thanks
[13:39:12] <_methods> np
[13:39:50] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: http://www.hellermanntyton.de/site/produkte/geflechtschlaeuche-und-gewebeschlaeuche/hegemipv006/173-60600
[13:40:53] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: too expensice, inner tube-> no plugs going thru, and not conductive enough
[13:41:12] <Tom_itx> _methods is there a sketch helix tool?
[13:41:28] <_methods> yeah
[13:41:39] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: can you give me a link of what i may need in china
[13:43:18] <_methods> oh mayb there isn't
[13:43:26] <Tom_itx> i don't see one
[13:44:19] <_methods> ahh you have to start a normal sketch
[13:44:22] <_methods> then draw the helix
[13:44:32] <Tom_itx> that comes out as a solid
[13:44:35] <_methods> then open a 3d sketch and convert entities
[13:44:48] <_methods> yeah you can kill the solid and keep the sketch
[13:44:51] <_methods> let me try it real quick
[13:45:47] <_methods> yeah my way works
[13:45:56] <_methods> not sure if it's the right way lol
[13:45:59] <_methods> but it does work
[13:46:11] <_methods> i had to create the helix in a normal 2d sketch
[13:46:20] <_methods> then open 3d sketch and convert entities
[13:47:22] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/kabelschlauch/8211687/
[13:47:31] <Loetmichel> but where you get that in less than a roll...
[13:47:35] <Tom_itx> yeah that did it
[13:48:01] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: on this price i can build a new plasma
[13:48:16] <Loetmichel> thats why i said "less than a roll"
[13:48:46] <_methods> i'm sure there is a "correct" way to do it
[13:48:57] <_methods> but i don't know it lol
[13:49:37] <_methods> hmm i didn't try making a circle first in a 3d sketch
[13:50:12] <_methods> yeah i'm an idiot you can just do it in 3d sketch
[13:50:23] <_methods> just make a circle then the helix option becomes available
[13:50:28] <Tom_itx> ok
[13:57:04] <Jymmm> are those $100 wire fed 110V welders any good?
[13:57:29] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
[14:01:23] <_methods> lame they killed 3dfile.io
[14:08:39] <_methods> you get it Tom_itx
[14:09:21] <_methods> you're probably going to have to use a loft instead of a sweep
[14:15:43] <Tom_itx> no
[14:15:45] <Tom_itx> not yet
[14:15:57] <Jymmm> Now?
[14:16:09] <Tom_itx> not yet
[14:16:12] <Jymmm> How about now?
[14:16:15] <Tom_itx> not yet
[14:21:45] <_methods> ah i used a sweep for the spiral then lofted out to the pins
[14:25:24] <_methods> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23537674/pin.PDF
[14:25:30] <_methods> 3d pdf of it
[14:26:03] <Tom_itx> to create an offset plane i just select a plane and enter an offset value right?
[14:26:11] <_methods> yes
[14:26:21] <Tom_itx> can't figure out why it's not doing it...
[14:26:36] <Tom_itx> right plane.. offset .7
[14:26:38] <Tom_itx> no go
[14:26:39] <_methods> you selected a plane right?
[14:26:43] <Tom_itx> yes
[14:26:47] <_methods> hmmm
[14:27:46] <_methods> you sure nothing else is selected?
[14:27:56] <Tom_itx> pretty sure
[14:28:21] <_methods> i'd save the file and close it
[14:28:24] <_methods> then reopen
[14:28:43] <_methods> i've seen times where stuff like that can hang up and not act right
[14:28:58] <_methods> cause adding an offset plane should be a no brainer
[14:29:13] <Tom_itx> got it
[14:29:19] <_methods> ah what was it?
[14:29:51] <Tom_itx> no clue
[14:29:55] <Tom_itx> :)
[14:30:05] <Tom_itx> did the same thing and it worked
[14:31:13] <_methods> weird
[14:34:29] <_methods> oh sweet just got my new ubiquiti ap-ac-lite
[14:34:44] <_methods> can't wait to hook that thing up
[15:40:01] <gphillips> hey guys anyone around?
[15:43:02] <gphillips> What program do you guys use to vectorize, and turn into gcode?
[15:46:44] <Deejay> text editor :D
[15:47:35] <gphillips> well that seems hard
[15:47:38] <zeeshan|2> jt has a code
[15:47:45] <zeeshan|2> that converts dxf to gcode
[15:47:49] <zeeshan|2> for plasma cutting..
[15:49:08] <gphillips> well I just have a question as far as sizing goes? I use vector magic to convert images to vectors and then ESTLcam to convert dxf to .NC
[15:49:54] <gphillips> and sometimes I wanna resize the images and do not know an easy way of selecting how big i want it to be
[16:06:01] <malcom2073> There are DXF and SVG to gcode converters around
[16:06:06] <malcom2073> they let you specify scaling usually
[16:09:42] <gphillips> well that sounds nice
[16:20:37] <Deejay> gn8
[16:31:20] <gonzo_> could someone check my HAL syntax please
[16:31:37] <gonzo_> trying to add an invert to one of the pwm outputs
[16:31:40] <gonzo_> I have:
[16:31:43] <gonzo_> setp hm2_ blah pwmgen.00.pwm.invert_output 1
[16:32:14] <gonzo_> i'm assuming that is setting the param for the pwm pin
[16:32:28] <gonzo_> (pwmgen is set to mode 1, pwm and dir)
[16:45:20] <Sync> zeeshan|2: did you see my screws?
[18:07:32] <zeeshan|2> no
[18:07:32] <zeeshan|2> pics
[18:07:36] <PetefromTn_> hey CNC lathe guys how usable do you think a LH threading tool holder is? I am used to threading towards the chuck mostly
[18:09:18] <Tom_itx> pretty useful if you make left hand threads
[18:09:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[18:10:38] <PetefromTn_> you really probably don't want to use a LH insert threading tool the wrong way
[18:12:05] <PetefromTn_> I guess I will pass on it and wait for a RH tool and inserts to pop up ;)
[18:12:39] <Tom_itx> or spin the spindle the other way
[18:12:57] <PetefromTn_> its more than just the direction
[18:13:02] <zeeshan|2> yep
[18:13:03] <PetefromTn_> its the protrusion of the body of the tool
[18:13:04] <zeeshan|2> youll shit the shoulder
[18:13:13] <zeeshan|2> hit not shit!
[18:13:19] <Tom_itx> or both
[18:13:24] <zeeshan|2> haha
[18:13:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah but you'll be yellin' shit when it hits
[18:13:36] <zeeshan|2> in the beginning, a rh insert tool will be more useful
[18:13:40] <Tom_itx> springs are a bitch to draw
[18:13:46] <zeeshan|2> but i have both because, ive had setups where it was easier to use lh
[18:13:50] <zeeshan|2> and part off
[18:13:54] <zeeshan|2> and not have to do another operation
[18:14:16] <PetefromTn_> do you have the triangular inserts or the straight type?
[18:14:26] <zeeshan|2> whats the straight type?
[18:14:47] <_methods> flip it over and reverse spindle
[18:14:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-FLTC-3R16E-GR50-Threading-Carbide-Inserts-TOOL-FLO-Thread-Cutting-holder-bit-/361011386187?hash=item540df4974b:g:zpQAAOSwxH1T3T7z
[18:14:50] <_methods> use it like right hand
[18:14:54] <zeeshan|2> no i dont have
[18:15:07] <Tom_itx> _methods i just got chastized for saying that
[18:15:13] <_methods> oh lol
[18:15:17] <_methods> maybe i should read back
[18:15:20] <zeeshan|2> http://www.carbidedepot.com/images/insert-shape-laydown.bmp
[18:15:22] <zeeshan|2> i got that
[18:15:33] <Tom_itx> damn wannabe machinists!!
[18:15:44] <zeeshan|2> your face is a wannabe zeeshan
[18:15:44] <zeeshan|2> !
[18:15:47] <zeeshan|2> project manager!!!!!!!!
[18:15:57] <PetefromTn_> who you callin' wannabe?
[18:15:58] <_methods> hehe
[18:16:07] <zeeshan|2> the only wannabes are tormach owners
[18:16:08] * zeeshan|2 hides
[18:16:45] <_methods> i'm no machinist i'm a wannabe seamstress no0w
[18:16:56] <_methods> sewin up all those cargo straps lol
[18:16:59] <Tom_itx> cross dresser too?
[18:17:16] <PetefromTn_> I'm not a machinist but I play one in my garage
[18:17:19] <_methods> hahah
[18:17:27] <zeeshan|2> doesnt matter what you are
[18:17:30] <zeeshan|2> if youre getting paid for it
[18:17:33] <zeeshan|2> good enough :)
[18:17:36] <_methods> just for PetefromTn_
[18:17:49] <zeeshan|2> if someone called me a machinist
[18:17:49] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: But most aren't wearing pink tu tu's when doing so. Just sayin.
[18:17:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, how'd those turd's turn out?
[18:17:52] <zeeshan|2> i'd be offended... :[
[18:17:54] <Tom_itx> you get paid for em?
[18:17:56] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: excellent
[18:17:57] <zeeshan|2> yes,
[18:18:00] <Tom_itx> great
[18:18:10] <zeeshan|2> apparently he wants another 40-50
[18:18:15] <zeeshan|2> but will let me know december
[18:18:19] <zeeshan|2> hopefully its during the break
[18:18:20] <Tom_itx> that was kinda a fun project wasn't it?
[18:18:21] <PetefromTn_> I just loaded about $5k worth of RX7 engine parts in my van that I gotta machine
[18:18:37] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: it was different
[18:18:40] <zeeshan|2> im glad it's done
[18:18:49] <zeeshan|2> just wish i had made a bit more..
[18:18:56] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ they won't be worth $5k if you screw em up
[18:19:02] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-4-Sandvik-R166-4FG-123B-RH-Threading-Tool-Holder-use-w-R166-Insert-P-155-/311484815790?hash=item4885f119ae:g:UiIAAOSwwbdWOPN8
[18:19:10] <zeeshan|2> pete nice
[18:19:20] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Don't even say that shit man ;)
[18:19:32] <zeeshan|2> pete what are you doing to it
[18:19:43] <Jymmm> violating it of course zeeshan|2
[18:19:50] <PetefromTn_> which part LOL
[18:19:54] <zeeshan|2> anything
[18:19:55] <zeeshan|2> :D
[18:20:05] <PetefromTn_> naah I just have to stud this 3 rotor engine
[18:20:11] <PetefromTn_> and machine some more rotors
[18:20:36] <PetefromTn_> what sucks is the program I made for the 2 rotor won't work for the 3 rotor of course
[18:21:29] <zeeshan|2> doh
[18:21:39] <zeeshan|2> but i bet youll have to do more in the future
[18:21:40] <zeeshan|2> so its ok
[18:23:22] <PetefromTn_> actually there is another two 3 rotor builds coming up and the same motor we built for that red car we are making a spare for so when we take it to texas for the big races we will not have to worry about any unknown failures
[18:23:38] <zeeshan|2> texas mile?
[18:23:43] <PetefromTn_> TX2k
[18:23:47] <zeeshan|2> nice
[18:24:13] <PetefromTn_> they asked me if I want to go not sure I will or not but it would be cool.
[18:26:13] <naja452> Can anyone recommend some tooling for a mill?
[18:27:05] <PetefromTn_> what kind of mill?
[18:27:10] <_methods> maybe a drill bit
[18:27:13] <_methods> and some end mills
[18:28:06] <naja452> Well, I got my hands on an old gorton from the 60s (I think) and it has a lot of misc inserts and I dont know where to start.
[18:28:38] <jthornton> what are you machining?
[18:28:44] <jthornton> what material
[18:29:18] <naja452> I'm not entirely sure yet, aluminum and steel mostly I'm sure
[18:29:23] <_methods> fish sticks obviously
[18:29:27] <naja452> lol
[18:29:28] <_methods> he said its a gorton
[18:29:35] <_methods> haha
[18:29:37] <naja452> http://imgur.com/rfnKg5w
[18:29:57] <naja452> I'm sure it can handle steel just fine
[18:30:03] <PetefromTn_> hey that looks pretty decent
[18:30:03] <jthornton> well aluminum and steel use different inserts
[18:30:15] <PetefromTn_> I think he meant toolholders
[18:30:17] <_methods> wtf i've never seen one like that before
[18:30:22] <_methods> it's got bar ways
[18:30:23] <PetefromTn_> looks like NTMB4o
[18:30:25] <naja452> Yeah, its a bear to move around
[18:30:37] <naja452> YES, tool holders
[18:30:40] <zeeshan|2> nice m/c
[18:30:53] <PetefromTn_> that is interesting ways indeed
[18:31:07] <naja452> they're fully supported, no worries
[18:31:36] <PetefromTn_> I did not mean to suggest otherwise
[18:31:51] <jthornton> ER collets work good but you can spend a ton getting all you might need
[18:31:58] <jthornton> do you have anything now?
[18:32:01] <PetefromTn_> definitely need to loose that drill press vise tho
[18:32:15] <naja452> yeah, that vice is crap
[18:32:26] <naja452> I'm lloking at a kurt 6" that a friend has right now
[18:32:37] <PetefromTn_> good choice ;)
[18:32:40] <_methods> strap clamps?
[18:32:57] <PetefromTn_> looks like it has varispeed head
[18:33:11] <Contract_Pilot> Sup.
[18:33:14] <naja452> It has some assorted Kwik switch 200 dual taper (?) collets right now
[18:33:14] <PetefromTn_> did you paint it orange?
[18:33:24] <naja452> and yes, I did paint it
[18:33:32] <PetefromTn_> cool
[18:33:42] <Contract_Pilot> Long week and only tuesday!
[18:33:44] <PetefromTn_> do you plan to CNC it or keep in manual
[18:34:08] <Contract_Pilot> No time to play with my lathes or mills
[18:34:16] <naja452> Most of the manual related stuff was missing, (hydraulics, hand cranks etc), so Its CNC right now
[18:34:37] <_methods> that's one teeny tiny stepper on there lol
[18:34:50] <naja452> ;) yeah, I thought someone might see that.
[18:35:07] <PetefromTn_> I did not even notice the motor LOL
[18:35:09] <_methods> hehe
[18:35:14] <PetefromTn_> is it on linuxCNC?
[18:35:30] <naja452> I cant afford servos, I just got a set of NEMA 34s and some gecko drivers to replace the tiny ones though
[18:35:45] <naja452> and yes, its on linux cnc
[18:35:51] <PetefromTn_> GOOD MAN
[18:35:54] <PetefromTn_> :D
[18:36:24] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ where do they get a 3 rotor crank?
[18:36:29] <PetefromTn_> I find that if you shop around nice servos are NOT all that much more expensive than steppers anymore...
[18:36:34] <Tom_itx> aren't all them 2 rotor?
[18:36:42] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx there is a Mazda Sedan
[18:36:46] <PetefromTn_> sold in Japan
[18:36:54] <Tom_itx> i thought they were all 2 rotor
[18:36:54] <PetefromTn_> that uses the 3 rotor motor
[18:37:14] <Tom_itx> i bet they blow the crap outta their seals all the time
[18:37:14] <PetefromTn_> it has a different center iron that has an additional bearing carrier
[18:37:27] <PetefromTn_> why would you say that?
[18:37:38] <Tom_itx> because they're pushing em
[18:37:54] <Tom_itx> i know when my bud i used to work with raced em he had seal problems
[18:38:57] <naja452> So my issue is getting some kind of (preferably hot-swap friendly) setup for my cutters and such, this stuff is all pretty old and I cant find parts to the Kwick switch 200 holder, much less ER collets.
[18:39:12] <PetefromTn_> here's pushing one.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYHgQ-ZvLdE
[18:39:35] <jthornton> I have kwik switch 200 on my bp
[18:39:41] <jthornton> no problem finding stuff
[18:40:19] <naja452> hm, maybe im just cheap then ;)
[18:40:48] <jthornton> I have no idea, but changing the spindle to something else would be costly
[18:40:54] <jthornton> what do you have now?
[18:41:19] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: The cost of servos isn't the servos themselves, it's the mesa and the time configuring/tuning them :P
[18:41:43] <zeeshan|2> so much tormach influence in this channel!
[18:41:53] <jthornton> lol
[18:42:38] <naja452> I have whatever's here http://imgur.com/J5oOmyg
[18:43:07] <jthornton> I can't look at images, out of bandwidth already this month
[18:43:07] <naja452> lol, I can check them all for model numbers but most of it is KS 200 relateed
[18:43:50] <naja452> I have all the KS 200 and one ER16 collet
[18:44:39] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 honestly man it is not that much more difficult and the fact you are then closed loop servos makes up the difference
[18:44:41] <jthornton> I'd just go with what you have till you "need" something else
[18:45:01] <zeeshan|2> i need fp50cc :{
[18:45:05] <malcom2073> Eh, I spent a week bashing my head against servo tuning, and couldn't afford to take the risk that mesa+linuxcnc tuning was any more fun :P
[18:45:08] <jthornton> yea setting up normal servos on mesa cards is a breeze
[18:45:25] <malcom2073> But hey, maybe it's much easier? Dunno
[18:46:01] <naja452> can anyone recommend a good Servo motor? I'm open to the idea
[18:46:27] <jthornton> I think I spend a couple of hours tuning my BP after verifying feedback and direction
[18:46:43] <PetefromTn_> I have Never done it before and the first build I did was servos and it was not that hard. Honestly the LinuxCNC MESANET setup is even easier as you can watch things and see your adjustments instead of poking around in the dark
[18:47:17] <malcom2073> Eh, maybe I'll give it a try someday ifI ever get disposable income and need more machine speed :P
[18:47:49] <jthornton> if what you have works then don't fix something that ain't broken
[18:48:19] <naja452> On the topic of servos and closed loop...
[18:49:17] <naja452> I've used quite a few "CNC" machines, but I've found that I like to just manual control most of the time and watch the numbers...
[18:49:39] <naja452> Is there a good pendant so to speak for manual control of machines without handles?
[18:50:21] <jthornton> I would only use a MPG to manually control a mill and only for touch off
[18:50:22] <naja452> pushing buttons on a keyboard is just annoying
[18:50:35] <jthornton> buttons is buttons
[18:51:06] <malcom2073> I've heard good things about pendants, I plan on building one myself and using it for semi-manual control
[18:51:36] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant that's what I use on my plasma
[18:51:54] <jthornton> I use ngcgui and gedit
[18:52:29] <naja452> A buddy and I are working on a pendant with a single bearing mounted crank and an encoder to just magnet slap on the machine somewhere.
[18:52:42] <naja452> I just like the feel of a real hand wheel
[18:53:47] <jthornton> my motto is Comedite bonum,vitam diligere
[18:54:23] <jdh> I don't have a motto
[18:54:33] * jthornton goes to check the wings
[18:54:47] <jthornton> you can have one of mine if you like
[18:54:59] <jdh> cool. got a spare good one?
[18:57:38] <Tom_itx> it flushes downhill, don't be there when it does?
[18:58:09] <zeeshan|2> man ive been trying to get my stray cat
[18:58:18] <zeeshan|2> and another cat ive had for 11 years to bond
[18:58:21] <zeeshan|2> boy that guy is angry
[18:58:37] <zeeshan|2> its been a week since ive had the stray kitten in isolation
[18:58:49] <zeeshan|2> wish i could linuxcnc the cat into being nice.
[18:58:50] <zeeshan|2> :]
[19:04:44] <Tom_itx> latency is too bad
[19:09:25] <PetefromTn_> I don't miss turning handles on my mill whatsoever
[19:09:55] <PetefromTn_> a CNC mill = Infinitely variable power feeds and DRO's on each axis
[19:13:27] <zeeshan|2> lol tom
[19:13:41] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: yea i notice how manual machinists tend to hate cnc machinists
[19:13:53] <zeeshan|2> and i think the logic behind that is "hate something you dont understand"
[19:13:53] <zeeshan|2> :)
[19:14:06] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, it's because all they know are monkeys
[19:14:10] <zeeshan|2> cause owning a manual mill makes absolutely zero sense to me
[19:14:20] <zeeshan|2> because a cnc mill can be used as a manual machine?
[19:14:39] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: nahh man
[19:14:40] <jdh> owning a cnc mill and wanting to only control it manually makes no sense
[19:14:51] <zeeshan|2> even oxtoolco, and abom79
[19:15:01] <zeeshan|2> are your typical manual machinist type of mentality
[19:15:07] <zeeshan|2> even though oxtool is a cnc machinist..
[19:15:11] <zeeshan|2> jdh ofcourse :P
[19:15:31] <zeeshan|2> cnc machines are definitely not for nubs :P
[19:18:14] <zeeshan|2> i take that back, just thought of tormach
[19:18:14] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[19:18:24] <zeeshan|2> i should name myself the shitstarter
[19:20:56] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/grsmotorsport/ These guys just went 5.980 at 241.15MPH with a ROtary.... How come the seals did not blow out? LOL
[19:21:20] <zeeshan|2> only had to last for 5.98 seconds
[19:21:21] <zeeshan|2> thats why
[19:21:38] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[19:21:44] <zeeshan|2> :D
[19:22:00] <PetefromTn_> Only like 2k plus HP for 5.98 seconds
[19:22:20] <PetefromTn_> you can watch the video on that page link
[19:22:31] <PetefromTn_> thing was ROLLIN'
[19:22:37] <zeeshan|2> i watched :D
[19:23:51] * zeeshan|2 is applying for jobs
[19:23:54] <zeeshan|2> takes forever :(
[19:25:01] <PetefromTn_> finish that lathe and you won't NEED a job ;)
[19:25:18] <zeeshan|2> to be honest man, at this contract job
[19:25:30] <zeeshan|2> i spend 8 hours and i have made more money consistently in a month
[19:25:45] <zeeshan|2> and i just sit on the comp and design
[19:25:55] <PetefromTn_> that works too
[19:26:06] <zeeshan|2> i want to have a job where i spent 6 hours on the desk
[19:26:08] <zeeshan|2> 2 hours on the floor
[19:26:14] <zeeshan|2> the would be the PERFECT balance
[19:26:17] <zeeshan|2> but its impossible to find
[19:26:36] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a programmers job
[19:26:45] <zeeshan|2> no man!
[19:27:06] <zeeshan|2> the mastercam programming jobs pretty much are office jobs
[19:27:26] <PetefromTn_> only if you are not required to prove the program
[19:27:36] <zeeshan|2> like i want to engineer design stuff, like calculate stuff
[19:27:42] <zeeshan|2> throw the concept in solidworks, verify
[19:27:46] <zeeshan|2> and then comission it
[19:28:00] <jdh> I want to retire
[19:28:01] <zeeshan|2> most jobs ive come across, want you to do one specific thing
[19:28:14] <zeeshan|2> like if you're a simulation engineer, you just work with stress analysis
[19:28:15] <PetefromTn_> it's hard to wear all the hats unless you are a sole proprietor and then its just hard
[19:28:21] <zeeshan|2> you dont even touch manufacturing related stuff
[19:28:29] <zeeshan|2> i just want 2 hats man!
[19:28:36] <zeeshan|2> ive seen jobs like this before, but not around lately.........
[19:28:46] <zeeshan|2> you are part of conceptual design, you do analysis
[19:28:50] <zeeshan|2> and then you comission the design
[19:29:00] <PetefromTn_> Personally speaking if I were you
[19:29:08] <PetefromTn_> and had the engineering degree
[19:29:13] <PetefromTn_> I would just do that
[19:29:15] <jdh> in my world, doing manufacturing means you do some of everything
[19:29:18] <PetefromTn_> and play machinist at home
[19:29:28] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: :(
[19:29:43] <zeeshan|2> i don't mean physically machining at work,
[19:29:46] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you will find what you are looking for tho
[19:29:47] <zeeshan|2> i mean lets say im building a conveyor
[19:30:02] <zeeshan|2> i design it, the manufacturing engineer sends the design out to be made on the floor
[19:30:20] <zeeshan|2> and then i come inspect the assembly to make sure it's made to design
[19:30:23] <Tom_itx> once you draw something, how can you move the sketch to an offset plane?
[19:30:29] <zeeshan|2> i dont wanna sit on my ass in the offiec all day long
[19:30:42] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: go up back 1 history event
[19:30:44] <zeeshan|2> make a plane
[19:30:49] <PetefromTn_> there are lots of companies that would do that but most are going to me smaller companies
[19:30:53] <PetefromTn_> startups
[19:30:54] <zeeshan|2> then go back down to the sketch of interest, right click
[19:31:00] <zeeshan|2> and click "Edit sketch plane"
[19:31:02] <Tom_itx> ze, in the tree on the left?
[19:31:05] <zeeshan|2> or something along those lines
[19:31:05] <zeeshan|2> yes
[19:31:13] <zeeshan|2> youre just trying to make the plane before the sketch
[19:31:24] <Tom_itx> yes then move it to it
[19:31:26] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: you are 100% right
[19:31:31] <zeeshan|2> small-mid
[19:31:36] <zeeshan|2> definitely not gonna happen at a fortune 500 company
[19:32:09] <PetefromTn_> probably not
[19:32:29] <zeeshan|2> for the last 3 months or so
[19:32:35] <zeeshan|2> ive been working on a massive job
[19:32:38] <zeeshan|2> and guess what, it's being built
[19:32:41] <zeeshan|2> and im not even part of it.
[19:32:42] <Tom_itx> it put it below the sketch in the tree
[19:32:51] <zeeshan|2> ive been making assembly drawings for the guys to follow
[19:33:04] <zeeshan|2> it disheartens me a bit..
[19:33:12] <zeeshan|2> but this is life
[19:33:25] <PetefromTn_> meh whether you are designing or machining you are still part of the project
[19:33:25] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: you gotta drag it up
[19:33:42] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: but thats the thing, if you dont see the tangible product
[19:33:45] <Tom_itx> the plane or the sketch?
[19:33:46] <_methods> you can always just right click the sketchthen pick edit sketch plane
[19:33:47] <zeeshan|2> it sux
[19:33:55] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: the plane
[19:33:57] <Tom_itx> i've seen it done but haven't done it
[19:33:58] <_methods> then pick whatever plane you want to put it on
[19:33:59] <zeeshan|2> has to be before the sketch
[19:34:05] <Tom_itx> ok
[19:34:07] <PetefromTn_> this is why I am enjoying working with the race shop guys
[19:34:11] <zeeshan|2> otherwise the sketch doesn't know which plane it is
[19:34:29] <jdh> I do GUI's, PLCs, motion, motors, wiring, pneumatics, inspection, etc
[19:34:31] <PetefromTn_> they are trying to create new products and I am getting some input and doing the design work
[19:34:42] <zeeshan|2> jdh sounds like an awesome job! :P
[19:34:45] <zeeshan|2> minus the gui
[19:34:45] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:35:03] <jdh> operators & maint. need info
[19:35:05] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: your presistence of hanging out there
[19:35:07] <zeeshan|2> really paid off man
[19:35:10] <PetefromTn_> jdh are you a facilities maintenance guy or something?
[19:35:11] <zeeshan|2> im happy for you!
[19:35:18] <Tom_itx> ok the plane is above it in the list but the sketch still didn't move
[19:35:26] <jdh> Pete: "Manufacturing Engineer"
[19:35:26] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: it wont
[19:35:30] <zeeshan|2> you gotta choose "edit sketch plane"
[19:35:33] <_methods> is it a plane you added?
[19:35:35] <zeeshan|2> right click that
[19:35:40] <PetefromTn_> cool
[19:35:42] <_methods> you mihgt have to move the plane below the sketch in the tree
[19:35:43] <jdh> or controls engineer, or weld engineer
[19:35:53] <zeeshan|2> no you dont
[19:35:54] <zeeshan|2> it has to be above it.
[19:36:00] <PetefromTn_> are you a certified engineer or just have the experience to do it
[19:36:26] <zeeshan|2> if jdh uses the "tlar" methodology
[19:36:27] <zeeshan|2> he's an engineer
[19:36:28] <zeeshan|2> !
[19:36:32] <jdh> I do engineering, but I do not call myself an engineer.
[19:36:38] <Tom_itx> what do i click on to edit that?
[19:36:44] <zeeshan|2> right click the sketch
[19:36:58] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I visited about every damn company and business within a reasonable driving distance
[19:37:17] <PetefromTn_> most just gave me a few minutes of face time and said thanks but no thanks
[19:37:26] <PetefromTn_> a few actually gave me some work
[19:37:28] <zeeshan|2> ..
[19:37:50] <PetefromTn_> but these guys were really needing this resource so it works a little bit
[19:39:02] <Tom_itx> ok i figured it out
[19:39:05] <Tom_itx> thanks
[19:45:10] <PetefromTn_> sheet
[19:45:38] <PetefromTn_> well I got my new Starrett edge finder and 123 blocks today ;)
[19:45:53] <PetefromTn_> its like a little Christmas to me :D
[19:47:33] <jdh> I got a Garmin Varia!
[19:47:42] <zeeshan|2> haha PetefromTn_
[19:47:46] <zeeshan|2> did you break your other one?
[19:48:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah I smoked it accidentally the other night with some fancy MPG footwork
[19:50:05] <zeeshan|2> doh
[19:50:16] <zeeshan|2> do you by any chance stioll have the spring for it?
[19:50:31] <zeeshan|2> a while back, i lost the spring one mine..
[19:50:35] <PetefromTn_> it actually still works sorta
[19:50:48] <zeeshan|2> its the one that has a cone on one end and cylinder on other end
[19:51:11] <zeeshan|2> the spring came out when i had it on the old bridgeport back in the day
[19:51:15] <zeeshan|2> nub machining :)
[19:51:18] <PetefromTn_> but I think it has a burr in it now so it kinda acts funny
[19:51:31] <PetefromTn_> I had one of the double end ones like that
[19:51:41] <PetefromTn_> these are both single ended ones
[19:52:02] <PetefromTn_> I stopped buying the double ended ones because I felt the action on the single end ones is a bit better
[19:52:21] <PetefromTn_> but it was nice to be able to pickup small holes with it
[19:52:27] <PetefromTn_> now I just use the DTI
[19:55:13] <Sync> I just get the cheap ones and sometimes use my 3d probe
[19:55:31] <PetefromTn_> the starret is pretty cheap actually
[19:55:42] <PetefromTn_> this one was $25 shipped
[19:56:11] <Sync> that's actually ok, but you could have about 3 chinese ones for that
[19:56:30] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you could
[19:56:52] <PetefromTn_> I have had good results always from the starretts tho very repeatable
[19:57:34] <PetefromTn_> but at the end of the day it is a simple mechanism and could be easily copied with reasonable grinding practices
[19:58:44] <Sync> well, the face needs to be square and the bottom one needs to be remotely round
[19:58:56] <Sync> I think I paid 7€ for mine, and it repeats well
[19:59:12] <PetefromTn_> I don't doubt it
[19:59:16] <Sync> but I also got a good deal on one of those tschorn probes
[19:59:22] <Sync> they are also not too bad
[19:59:30] <PetefromTn_> link?
[20:00:10] <Sync> http://www.tschorn-gmbh.de/index.php?i=64&lg=0
[20:00:31] <PetefromTn_> oh that looks like a Haimer
[20:00:48] <PetefromTn_> they are supposed to be quite nice and very precise
[20:01:03] <PetefromTn_> is yours digital or analog
[20:01:07] <Sync> analog
[20:01:17] <Sync> there is no need for a digital one, imho
[20:01:17] <PetefromTn_> nice
[20:01:22] <PetefromTn_> agreed
[20:04:46] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5vKq8_nKhc nice
[20:05:08] <Sync> the nice thing is, they are smaller than the haimers
[20:05:39] <PetefromTn_> what is the price typically on them>
[20:06:42] <Sync> I think the small eco one costs 250€
[20:06:59] <PetefromTn_> 250 furry c's huh ;)
[20:07:34] <PetefromTn_> 246.37 Dollars US
[20:08:59] <Sync> oh wow, the eur/usd has tanked
[20:09:12] <PetefromTn_> actually 265.
[20:10:29] <PetefromTn_> what does that unit do in an overtravel situation
[20:10:50] <Sync> break
[20:10:53] <PetefromTn_> IE you screwed up
[20:10:54] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[20:11:11] <Sync> it does not have the ceramic stylus like the others do
[20:11:21] <PetefromTn_> damn
[20:11:33] <PetefromTn_> be careful with that thing :D
[20:11:52] <Sync> protip, don't fuck up
[20:12:01] <PetefromTn_> I like the dual needle zero indication
[20:12:09] <PetefromTn_> Sync yeah right
[20:12:33] <PetefromTn_> I have seen guys with decades of experience smoke indicators and probes
[20:12:59] <Sync> well, apparently it has a predetermined breaking point but you know
[20:13:00] <Sync> sure
[20:13:05] <Sync> but that's how it goes :D
[20:13:28] <Sync> gotta pay to play
[20:13:59] * Jymmm plays solitare
[20:16:51] <Sync> hm
[20:17:03] <Sync> I think I have those yaskawa abs encoders figured out to some degre
[20:17:04] <Sync> e
[20:19:32] <zeeshan|2> btw if anyone wants to harass furrywolf
[20:19:35] <zeeshan|2> i found him in another channe :D
[20:20:07] <PetefromTn_> you love to start shit dontcha :D
[20:20:14] <zeeshan|2> yes
[20:20:55] <PetefromTn_> my only question was what were you doing in the furrydildo channel?
[20:21:04] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:21:43] <Jymmm> What, he no longer hangs out in here?
[20:22:22] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Did you touch him in his special place the wrong way or soemthing?
[20:23:29] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Hey, you DO have a sense of humor, I'll be damned ;)
[20:24:02] <PetefromTn_> you mean you just noticed?
[20:24:09] <PetefromTn_> I thought I was doing great in here
[20:24:16] <PetefromTn_> :D
[20:24:28] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Well,the furrydildo was a pretty good comeback for sure =)
[20:24:50] <PetefromTn_> thank you thank you I'm here most nights
[20:24:57] <Jymmm> heh
[20:25:20] <Jymmm> Argh, this firewood is killing me
[20:25:46] <PetefromTn_> hot much?
[20:26:16] <Jymmm> It's bene in the 30's last few days, had heavy rain for a full day.
[20:26:59] <Jymmm> The wood pile is damp as can be. And though I take off a couple days ahead it's not drying out as much as I'd like it to.
[20:27:01] <Sync> PetefromTn_: showing off his 3d cnc machined furrydildos
[20:27:48] <Jymmm> Yet, I have all this fucking heat being exhausted out the stove pipe that could dry out the entire wood pile and even help some of the green wood too. very very frustrating
[20:28:27] <PetefromTn_> hehe probably he sure loved bringing them up whenever he could sneak them into the conversation
[20:28:33] <Jymmm> dry wood burns hotter and longer, so it's a very vicious circle.
[20:29:15] <Sync> then stack your wood around the pipe
[20:29:25] <PetefromTn_> do you have your wood stickered up
[20:29:37] <Jymmm> Sync: 20ft in the air?
[20:29:44] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: "stickered" ???
[20:29:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah stickered
[20:29:56] <Jymmm> ???
[20:30:02] <Jymmm> wtf does that mean?
[20:30:06] <Sync> well, is your stove 20 feet in the air?
[20:30:10] <AR_> sintered
[20:30:11] <PetefromTn_> IE put little strips of wood in between each log so air can circulate around it
[20:30:32] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: This is split firewood, not lumber
[20:30:37] <PetefromTn_> it is how you dry rough sawn wood
[20:30:49] <PetefromTn_> sure but the concept is the same really
[20:31:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I have almost 3 cords
[20:31:30] <PetefromTn_> when you stack them on top of each other moisture cannot escape and in fact you get a lot of mold etc if it sits long enough
[20:31:57] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: There's just no sun exposure and little air movement normally
[20:32:16] <Jymmm> and it's tarped too
[20:32:25] <PetefromTn_> ok
[20:32:31] <Jymmm> it's just wet up here
[20:32:43] <PetefromTn_> here people make long racks with roofs on them a lot to help with that
[20:32:44] <Jymmm> the ground hasn't even dried out from 3 days ago
[20:33:09] <Jymmm> Yeah, well I've only been here 4 months, new/learning experiance all around.
[20:33:21] <PetefromTn_> where are ya again?
[20:33:26] <Jymmm> NorCal
[20:33:32] <PetefromTn_> ah
[20:33:34] <_methods> in a pineapple under the sea
[20:33:37] <PetefromTn_> it does get cold there
[20:33:53] <Jymmm> especially at 3000ft =)
[20:34:21] <PetefromTn_> I lived in Sacto and we used to run up to the mountains a lot to play in the snow/ski/snowboard
[20:34:33] <Jymmm> I'm just whining that all that heat is just wasted is all.
[20:35:08] <PetefromTn_> My friend here uses his wood burning stove to help heat his water, he has a bunch of copper pipe wrapped around it
[20:35:35] <PetefromTn_> he also has a big coil of black rubber hose on top of his deck roof that heats the pool water
[20:35:42] <Jymmm> I might just tarp the whole woodpile and build a fire on one end and let the smoke travel to the other end
[20:36:53] <jdh> get a propane heater to keep your wood warm and dry
[20:36:59] <Jymmm> lol
[20:37:06] <_methods> hahah
[20:37:10] <Jymmm> jdh: Gee, thanks! =)
[20:37:14] <PetefromTn_> I gotta buy another forced air heater for the shop
[20:37:17] <jdh> NP
[20:37:26] <PetefromTn_> my last one died and you azzholes could not help me fix it ;)
[20:37:31] <jdh> or, move someplace less miserable
[20:37:33] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I'm working on making a ammo can wood stove for the garage
[20:37:45] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[20:37:53] <PetefromTn_> that sounds cool
[20:38:06] <Jymmm> jdh: Oh, it's not miserable, quite pretty actually. Just frustrated at the vicious circle of wasted firewood
[20:38:20] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggX0J2KRLTo
[20:38:28] <jdh> having to burn trees to stay warm sounds miserable
[20:38:38] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to put a woodburning stove in my house/shop but the really high roofline makes it near impossible without visually destroying the look of my house LOL
[20:39:08] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I'm making a portable one
[20:39:30] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: can use in a tent even
[20:39:38] <PetefromTn_> I enjoyed my thermostatically controlled kerosene forced air heater... it kicks ass
[20:39:50] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: at 20F ?
[20:40:08] <PetefromTn_> even in the dead of winter I could heat up the shop in like 20 minutes to a tolerable temp
[20:40:35] <Jymmm> lol, tolerable. This still shitty btw =)
[20:40:36] <PetefromTn_> then once it was warm enough I plug in the electric shop heater and it maintains it
[20:41:03] <PetefromTn_> tolerable to me is like at least 65 LOL
[20:41:15] <Jymmm> except whe the storm knock out the pole and theres no electicity for 4 days =)
[20:41:30] <PetefromTn_> I have a kerosene only heater for that
[20:41:38] <PetefromTn_> it works pretty good too
[20:41:40] <Jymmm> indoor use?
[20:41:52] <PetefromTn_> I have used it indoors with care before yeah
[20:42:09] <PetefromTn_> we lost power once during a winter storm
[20:42:09] <Jymmm> but its not rated for that is it?
[20:42:20] <PetefromTn_> trees fell on lines and power was out
[20:42:31] <PetefromTn_> we woke up and it was FREAKING cold in here
[20:42:50] <PetefromTn_> I don't know what it is rated for but we use it in an emergency
[20:42:59] <jdh> the last winter I lived in knoxville, we were iced in for 3 days
[20:43:19] <PetefromTn_> http://www.lowes.com/pd_93043-88644-RMC-95C6B_0__?k_clickID=af73f084-8e42-4793-bf57-e222f0e8a8dd&store_code=638&productId=3471481&selectedLocalStoreBeanArray=%5Bcom.lowes.commerce.storelocator.beans.LocatorStoreBean%402c722c72%5D&storeNumber=0638&kpid=3471481&cm_mmc=SCE_PLA-_-SeasonalLiving-_-PortableHeat-_-3471481%3ADyna-Glo&DM_PersistentCookieCreated=true&CAWELAID=&CAWELAID=1368089512
[20:43:22] <PetefromTn_> looks like that
[20:43:52] <Jymmm> " Safe indoor supplemental heating source "
[20:43:59] <PetefromTn_> works pretty good and is reasonably safe indoors
[20:44:13] <PetefromTn_> it kept us warm that night
[20:44:27] <PetefromTn_> and buddy it was freaking cold when we woke up
[20:44:58] <PetefromTn_> if you take care of it and keep it adjusted properly it actually burns pretty clean
[20:45:52] <Jymmm> I've had one of these for years http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=122001-51644-F232020&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3353726&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1
[20:46:15] <PetefromTn_> does it work good
[20:46:20] <Jymmm> I connect it to 5gal tanks and have 4 tanks + 250gal tank int he back =)
[20:46:25] <Jymmm> excellent
[20:46:29] <Jymmm> indoor rated too
[20:46:50] <PetefromTn_> 9000 btu not bad for its size
[20:46:53] <Jymmm> you can use disposable canisters for extra portability
[20:47:12] <Jymmm> theres the big buddy too... http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=131258-51644-F274815&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=1132081&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1
[20:47:44] <Jymmm> I have about 14 of the 1gal disposable tanks and I just refill them.
[20:47:49] <PetefromTn_> the one I have is pretty big
[20:47:58] <PetefromTn_> it looks like R2d2 sitting there
[20:48:14] <PetefromTn_> but it puts out quite abit of heat
[20:48:35] <PetefromTn_> and with the metal fence shroud it is reasonably safe around the kids/dog
[20:48:46] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Here's the one I have and someone's hand for scale =) https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-Gz-bEu11Cg/maxresdefault.jpg
[20:49:03] <PetefromTn_> cool
[20:50:41] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: another for size/scale https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KKtyNndhS-I/maxresdefault.jpg
[20:50:56] <PetefromTn_> heh is that you?
[20:51:13] <Jymmm> nope, just google image search result
[20:54:32] <PetefromTn_> sure....
[20:54:55] <PetefromTn_> you know you are the one sportin' the eyelid earring
[20:57:55] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, stack your wood in front of the fire
[21:15:44] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-8-Sq-Shank-Threading-Tool-Lathe-CNC-Indexable-/401028083393?hash=item5d5f22eec1:g:PAIAAOSwQItT64g8 SUCKS or GREAT?
[21:22:38] <PetefromTn_> trying to get tooled up here with the typical insert holders I think I will be needing.
[21:25:26] <PetefromTn_> also what sort of parting off tools do you guys recommend for CNC lathe use?
[21:46:06] <Mikesccn> I can not get linuxcnc to control the vfd on a gecko g540
[21:47:03] <Roguish> PetefromTn_ :: you mentioned earlier you're in Sacto? Sacramento? what part?
[21:47:17] <Tom_itx> no where near Sacramento
[21:47:30] <Tom_itx> he's in Tn
[21:48:20] <Roguish> so there's a Sacto in Tn?
[21:48:34] <PetefromTn_> Roguish I used to live in Sacto
[21:48:52] <Roguish> ah, used to. ok. I'm in Walnut Creek
[21:48:57] <PetefromTn_> I was on McClellan AFB in the Coast Guard Air Station
[21:49:11] <PetefromTn_> my wife is from Elkhorn area
[21:49:59] <PetefromTn_> Mikesccn I believe there is a setup for the G540 somewhere but I am not terribly familiar with it.
[21:51:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Actually, I am.
[21:51:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: The clothes dryer vents under the back porch. It gets pretty warm under there.
[21:52:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm going to the hardware store later this week to get lumber/hinges so I can "hinge" the lattce work and roll under the garden wagon full of wood, apx 6sf.
[21:53:57] <Tom_itx> watch for termites
[21:54:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I spray all around the property =)
[21:55:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: From the wagon, I load up http://www.amazon.com/Whitmor-6307-1729-BLK-Rolling-Utility-Black/dp/B001DZ4RGE/ and park it next to the stove 12-48 hours before burning
[21:55:24] <Jymmm> I have another one of those coming Thursday
[21:55:35] <Mikesccn> Petefromtn I have been over the manual for days, it has to be between the software and the g540
[21:55:47] <Jymmm> I try to plan 3-4 days ahead for wood
[21:56:02] <PetefromTn_> that looks like something my grandma shops with
[21:56:02] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, pretty soon you'll be building a JT-Shop log splitter
[21:56:11] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, haha
[21:56:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Thos lil cartshelp dramatically as I've been using 5gal buckets to haul in wood.
[21:56:30] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what's that?
[21:57:02] <PetefromTn_> Mikesccn there is some guys here recently that are using the G540 with mesa cards and there is a predone config for it is what I was referring to.
[21:57:10] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Yep, flea market carts
[21:57:56] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: But, it's all metal. LOTS of air flow, and I can park a load of wood on end 8" from the 400F stove =)
[21:58:01] <PetefromTn_> when we had our wood burning stove we loaded all the logs on the front porch behind the wall and I used my Bronco to move them around the yard LOL
[21:58:24] <PetefromTn_> Jymm I was just busting your chops man its fine kart
[21:58:48] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: No, it is a granny cart, but it works great for this.
[21:58:49] <PetefromTn_> ya know like when you told me my ram would not work!
[21:58:59] <PetefromTn_> you azzhole ;)
[21:59:04] <Jymmm> lmao
[21:59:11] <Mikesccn> Ia'm running the g540 and trying to get it to control the speed with a superPID, everything on the superPID works properly except the speed from the computer
[21:59:15] <Jymmm> But you deserved it
[21:59:31] <PetefromTn_> Oh most certainly
[21:59:35] <Jymmm> =)
[21:59:36] <PetefromTn_> for what I have NO IDEA
[21:59:59] <Jymmm> shit, if I wasn't so tired I'd quote you the log files =)
[22:00:51] <PetefromTn_> what so because I asked a lot of questions I deserve to get shit about it? Thats most of the people who come in here man!
[22:01:17] <Jymmm> No, because you asked, people told you, and you still doubted most of them
[22:01:18] <PetefromTn_> had to look up what a super PID is
[22:01:37] <PetefromTn_> what an azzhole I am huh
[22:01:53] <Jymmm> Nah, just a typical (L)user =)
[22:02:25] <Tom_itx> damn noobs
[22:02:34] <norias> bah
[22:02:38] <norias> i don't like turning copper
[22:02:44] <Tom_itx> haha
[22:02:53] <Tom_itx> find somebody that does
[22:03:00] <Tom_itx> stringy crap ehh?
[22:03:05] <PetefromTn_> so you are using this mach3 oriented speed controller and you wonder why you are having problems ;)
[22:03:05] <norias> eh, i'm mostly through the job
[22:03:17] <norias> hmm, it's not so much stringy as...
[22:03:19] <PetefromTn_> copper is hell with coolant
[22:03:29] <norias> it gets real hot
[22:03:39] <norias> the best thing, finish wise, i ever used as coolant for it
[22:03:44] <PetefromTn_> why?
[22:03:45] <norias> is actually way lube
[22:04:06] <norias> i was taking some wicked cuts
[22:04:07] <Mikesccn> the voltage on the output of the g540 does not change when I change the speed in linuxcnc
[22:04:09] <PetefromTn_> I have milled a good bit of copper and never saw any heat issues
[22:04:14] <norias> slowing down the lathe, etc
[22:04:18] <norias> oh, it mills great
[22:04:19] <Mikesccn> It just remains at 5V
[22:04:23] <norias> it turns like shit
[22:04:36] <PetefromTn_> Mikesccn what is it supposed to be outputting?
[22:04:38] <norias> no clue why
[22:05:00] <PetefromTn_> 0-10v?
[22:05:37] <Mikesccn> it should change between 0V and 5V as I change the speed in linuxcnc (if I have it right in my head that is).
[22:05:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what is JT's log splitter?
[22:06:40] <PetefromTn_> Can be speed controlled from 0-5v external PC control source
[22:06:46] <Tom_itx> i can't find a pic of it
[22:06:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID-Tech-Info-Support-FAQ-Downloads.htm
[22:07:36] <Mikesccn> Yes the super pid has a POT on it that I can use to control it manualy
[22:07:48] <Mikesccn> And that works fine
[22:09:19] <PetefromTn_> http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID-v2_Instructions.pdf PG25
[22:10:12] <norias> superpid?
[22:10:14] <norias> whoa
[22:10:37] <norias> what's super about it?
[22:10:47] <PetefromTn_> its kinda cool actually
[22:10:52] <Mikesccn> LOL
[22:10:52] <PetefromTn_> first I have seen it
[22:11:16] <PetefromTn_> if you are setting up a CNC router with a wood router it would be nice I think. assuming it works
[22:11:21] <Mikesccn> it is just a way to control a normal router like a VFD
[22:11:36] <norias> ahh, ok
[22:11:38] <norias> hmm
[22:11:48] <Mikesccn> It is a wood router that I built
[22:13:15] <Mikesccn> I have read all of both of those pages a number of times, the drawing on the first page about half way down is what I am doing
[22:14:51] <Mikesccn> I beleive that I have something wrong when I use the stepconfig setup, but for the life of me I have not been able to figure it out.
[22:15:09] <norias> hmm.
[22:15:16] <PetefromTn_> I am not very familiar with the G540
[22:15:36] <PetefromTn_> but I would be looking at the signals going into it from the PC to make sure it is getting that first
[22:15:59] <norias> when ya'll are doing AC wiring
[22:16:12] <Mikesccn> I tried to join the forum on the linux cnc site and at the bottom is asks for a security code but it dosn't give a place to enter it?
[22:16:15] <norias> do you connect hot, ground or neutral first?
[22:16:16] <PetefromTn_> ya'll?
[22:16:23] <norias> and which is last?
[22:16:28] <Mikesccn> Ground
[22:16:32] <norias> or do you have no preffered order?
[22:16:39] <norias> why ground last?
[22:16:39] <Mikesccn> then neutral
[22:16:41] <Mikesccn> then hot
[22:16:48] <PetefromTn_> what difference does it make?
[22:16:52] <norias> oh, ground first
[22:16:54] <norias> hm
[22:17:11] <Mikesccn> ground first to if something goes wrong you will not be the main path to ground
[22:17:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: so when you shock the shit out of yourself, it has a path to ground =)
[22:17:20] <Mikesccn> I am a electircal contractor
[22:17:36] <duc> Doesn't matter. Now doing it hot is another story
[22:17:39] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: But for you, just LICK IT
[22:17:40] <PetefromTn_> you should never be hooking up AC wires that are hot anyway LO
[22:17:44] <norias> that's what i always kinda intuited
[22:17:49] <norias> do ground first
[22:17:57] <norias> to create a path of least resistane
[22:17:57] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: That depends
[22:18:00] <norias> thats not me
[22:18:10] <PetefromTn_> I know lick it right
[22:18:12] <PetefromTn_> smartass
[22:18:13] <norias> but my father in law was wiring our hot tub
[22:18:15] <Mikesccn> sucking on it will work better liking will not give you the full effect
[22:18:21] <norias> and.. he did it the opposite way
[22:18:31] <norias> so, i was curious
[22:18:31] <Jymmm> what Mikesccn said PetefromTn_
[22:18:43] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: So, SUCK IT BIOTCH!
[22:18:54] <PetefromTn_> :D
[22:18:59] <PetefromTn_> fucker
[22:19:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: At least I didn't get the wrong ram.
[22:19:29] <PetefromTn_> so nobody has any recommends on a parting off tool?
[22:19:48] <norias> parting is such sweet sorrow
[22:19:55] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I got a parting tool for ya ,,|,,
[22:20:01] <Jymmm> ;)
[22:20:01] <norias> i recommend doing it face to face
[22:20:05] <norias> not via text
[22:20:07] <norias> or email
[22:20:13] <duc> We use Iscar alot at work but relationship with rep may be some of that
[22:20:20] <PetefromTn_> droll soo droll
[22:20:32] <PetefromTn_> what type of iscar?
[22:20:39] <duc> I use kennemtal at home due to ebay
[22:20:40] <PetefromTn_> and are they worth a shit?
[22:20:41] <norias> what are you parting?
[22:20:48] <PetefromTn_> metal
[22:20:51] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[22:20:56] <norias> oh, good
[22:21:00] <PetefromTn_> and sometimes plastic
[22:21:00] <norias> that's so nice
[22:21:26] <norias> i kinda like thinbit
[22:21:31] <norias> eh. they make cool stuff
[22:21:40] <PetefromTn_> my wife made fresh oatmeal cookies and the house smells so nice now
[22:21:48] <PetefromTn_> thinbit?
[22:21:56] <duc> PentaIQ unless it's really big diameter
[22:22:10] <duc> Well over 1.5in diameter. Lol
[22:22:37] <PetefromTn_> hm
[22:22:42] <PetefromTn_> those are interesting
[22:22:51] <duc> On Friday I can ask our machinist
[22:23:35] <duc> When I will be back from travel
[22:23:38] <norias> i actually like the cheapo steel deals
[22:23:44] <norias> on a manual
[22:23:56] <PetefromTn_> http://www.iscar.com/Products.aspx/CountryID/1/ProductId/11887
[22:24:08] <duc> Will you have comp on for speeding up as it goes in
[22:24:09] <norias> seco is good, too
[22:24:24] <norias> most tool manufacturers make a reasonable parting tool
[22:24:29] <PetefromTn_> sure CSS
[22:25:21] <duc> Norias. Yea. Kennamental can suck my **** for milling tools but lathe tools are good
[22:25:42] <PetefromTn_> two air france flights from the US to Paris have been diverted due to some sort of threat
[22:26:09] <PetefromTn_> Thats good to hear because I just bought several kennametal tool holders for the lathe
[22:26:45] <duc> Do you have a top notch tool holder yet?
[22:26:59] <PetefromTn_> top notch?
[22:27:15] <PetefromTn_> I probably can't afford top notch stuff LOL
[22:27:15] <Mikesccn> good night
[22:27:21] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 mike
[22:27:28] <norias> you don't need it
[22:27:45] <PetefromTn_> is that a quality level or a brand name
[22:27:51] <norias> well, eh. depends.
[22:27:54] <Mikesccn> going to go beat my head againt the wall for awhile and see if anything comes out
[22:28:08] <PetefromTn_> probably some blood
[22:28:08] <norias> i do most of my turning on a manual
[22:28:12] <norias> so. eh.
[22:28:31] <duc> It's a type of threading insert and grooving
[22:29:05] <duc> Allows for more variation in inserts with same tool.
[22:29:23] <PetefromTn_> I have two kennametal holders now
[22:30:07] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/3nOi0yZ.jpg
[22:30:13] <duc> And shit loads on ebay. I also use a manual lathe at home. Left handed threading tools rock for inside threading if you can reverse rotation the chuck. Allows for threading away from chuck
[22:30:24] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/VlPkFpT.jpg
[22:30:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but I probably missed one earlier LOL
[22:31:18] <duc> Never used the first type but I think I have the second pic
[22:31:49] <duc> I can admit I'm not a machinist but have a addiction for tools and access to machinists
[22:32:14] * Wolf_Mill likes tools and hates having money...
[22:33:17] <Wolf_Mill> much want this thing after seeing it today http://i.imgur.com/38lRPE1.jpg
[22:33:22] <duc> Lol. I hide the true cost of tools from the wife
[22:34:08] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/IFkX9nc
[22:34:26] <PetefromTn_> that is the one I am talking about
[22:34:40] <norias> hah. mag dril
[22:34:51] <duc> Wolf_Mill: snag one of the puppies when we moved a plant. Think it was a hougens
[22:35:07] <Wolf_Mill> cordless, brushless motor
[22:35:40] <PetefromTn_> well its already sold so too late.
[22:35:49] <PetefromTn_> heh well Gn8 folks
[22:35:58] <duc> PetefromTn_: that is a top notch style. Kennamental has probably 80 different inserts for it
[22:36:07] <duc> Night
[22:36:09] <PetefromTn_> oh really
[22:36:13] <duc> Yea
[22:36:26] <PetefromTn_> I passed because it was LH
[22:36:45] <PetefromTn_> probably should have grabbed it
[22:36:51] <duc> I would get a RH for a cnc I think
[22:36:58] <PetefromTn_> it was $45 with six inserts
[22:37:06] <Wolf_Mill> low profile hougen mag drill is nice but propritary cutters kinda suck
[22:37:15] <duc> I have no balls for blind shoulder threading
[22:37:52] <duc> Wolf_Mill: got a drill chuck with mine and can use angular cutters also
[22:38:07] <PetefromTn_> annular?
[22:38:22] <duc> Beefy hole saw
[22:38:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know what it is
[22:38:37] <PetefromTn_> you said angular
[22:38:41] <Wolf_Mill> starts with a A ends with lar, close enough :P
[22:38:43] <duc> Yea. I suck at spelling on cell phone
[22:38:54] <PetefromTn_> ok gn8
[22:39:12] <duc> I'm out also.
[22:39:14] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm Gn8 Azzhole!
[22:39:18] <Wolf_Mill> that one I linked the pic of is cordless
[22:39:40] <norias> i want some angular cutters
[22:39:46] <Wolf_Mill> pretty nuts where some of the tech is getting to, I like it
[22:40:16] <norias> what tehc?
[22:41:10] <Wolf_Mill> battery, smd control boards + brushless motors in cordless power tools finally
[22:41:17] <norias> ahh
[22:41:24] <norias> i don't like cordless power tools
[22:41:31] <norias> i have a distinct aversion to them
[22:41:50] <Wolf_Mill> I have ones now that beat corded tools in performance
[22:43:06] <norias> i used to be involved in designing batteries
[22:43:11] <norias> and worked with battery researchers
[22:43:20] <norias> i treat all batteries with deep suspicion
[22:44:14] <Wolf_Mill> well, I'm willing to bet that most of the milwaukee battery packs for the m18 line are just 18650 cells lol
[22:51:20] <Wolf_Mill> so far the 3 tools I have and used that have brushless motors in them have impressed me. Havent tried the new addition yet